2025 Week 11: Everyone Hates the Card

The Collective is rolling. They went a perfect 5-0 in Circa Sports Million last week, and are 25-10 in their last seven weeks — but zero consensus picks make the card and they all hate it.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
And welcome back soon.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
I Jamble, the only podcast that puts its money where
its mouth is. I'm your host, rich Ron, and I'm
joined by the entire collective, the Disciple, Bray Coulson, Donnie D. P.
Peters and the resident of himself Mo Noara. If you're
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(00:34):
to the channel listeners five stars only like a man
who is currently up seven nil on the New England Patriots,
Justin Fields who ran in the touchdown on the opening
drive of the contest. I've got Patriots minus eleven and

(00:59):
a half in the account. I think the Jets should
try to lose some football games to make sure that
they have a valuable quarterback, maybe in this draft, something
Fernando Mendoza. Nonetheless, I'll be rooting for Gangering. It's hard
to root for losses, especially after fifteen years of no playoffs.

(01:24):
We are kicking butt in Circa Sports million, a perfect
five to zero last week to start the third quarter.
We started the year three and twelve and are currently
twenty eight and twenty two, which means we have gone
twenty five and ten since Week three. The old eighty

(01:46):
three percent clip from the collective, and we was that
was that? Did I mush it?

Speaker 3 (01:53):
There?

Speaker 2 (01:54):
The people? Am I much?

Speaker 4 (01:54):
Am I?

Speaker 2 (01:55):
In the process of mushing them to.

Speaker 1 (01:57):
The entire thing? The entire thing? Reach into your How
many fifty dollars bills do you have stuffed in there?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Buddy?

Speaker 1 (02:02):
Come on, this is unbelievable.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
I'm just reading stats and Donnie's losing his mind. He
hasn't picked a Thursday night game a week, so he
refused to give me a pick, and he's just he's
worked in this in the gambling industry for going on
twenty more than twenty years at this point, How can
you still believe in these voodoo? There are millions of

(02:30):
people watching these games. How can the actions of myself
have any effect on what has happened?

Speaker 3 (02:38):
That he just told me the Steelers were gonna cover
three because of voodoo?

Speaker 2 (02:42):
Well, that's tom voodoo is that's a defined known thing.
He's actually think gamblers.

Speaker 1 (02:52):
Gamblers voodoo has been around much longer than Mike Tomlin, Okay,
way longer.

Speaker 2 (02:58):
I'm not standing on the sideline coaching these guys and
actually having an impact on the contest. I'm just some
jomoke sitting on my couch. Watching these games carry out.
All right, let's get to this a football split contests,
and will start with a spicy one. Spicy because there
is some dissension amongst the collective and also spicy because

(03:21):
it is taking part in Madrid Spain, the last European
game of the season. It's Commanders at not At against Dolphins,
and I will start the proceedings because I have the
highest opinion on this game and it is on the

(03:42):
greatest football team. So this is a team of absolute
front runners. When it is going good with Miami, it
goes good with Miami. You see Mike McDaniel after the
game last week strolling by the elbowroom talking smack to
some Bills fans who are down in South Florida, Big

(04:03):
watch hanging out the car window. This team, when it
gets going and it gets hot, they tend to press
on the pedal and keep it going. And you've got
a Commander's team which is in complete tatters. You've got
an offensive side of the ball which has everybody injured Jalen,
Jayden Daniels and Terry McLaurin especially. Now you've got Treylon

(04:26):
Burks out as well, so you just have a complete
cast of characters at receiver for Marcus Moriota, and coming
into the season, we were very bearish on this team
because of how old this defense was and they've not
done anything well this seven thirty second in past defense EPA.

(04:46):
So the Dolphins have been flying high. Even if you
go back to that Ravens game, just a random turnover
fest on Thursday Night football, but they were only zero
point six yards per play worse than the Ravens in
that game, which come out into the Wash. In a
normal game, it's like a four point difference between those
two teams. So it's been three weeks in a row

(05:08):
of this offense looking like the Mike McDaniel offense. And
I don't know, guys, I just think they're just gonna
show up on Sunday morning against a Commander team that
came into the season with a lot of expectations that
is now seeing themselves, you know, headed towards an early
exit with no playoffs, and I just think they're gonna
get their asses kicked by the Miami Delphants. Got some

(05:29):
disagreement in the top five, and we'll start with Brett,
who's got comedy stop five.

Speaker 5 (05:35):
Yeah, I normally would stay far away from this one
with it being in Madrid. But if I'm gonna do it,
I'm gonna take the points. And this feels like one
of the clearest letdown setups on the entire board this week.
Miami coming in off a win that met way more
to that staff than a random Week ten game. Should
they spent the whole week acting like they won the
AFC East. There's players celebrating McDaniel's emotional the whole building

(05:59):
is just But when you look at that box score
last week, the Dolphins got every single bounce, Buffalo failing
on fourth and one, they fumbled twice inside the Miami,
well Miami territory, they throw a pick in the end zone,
and like the Dolphins were outgained and really survived on luck. Yeah,
the scoreboards showed as a blowout, but it's just just

(06:21):
a weird game, Washington. Like you said, they've lived the
exact opposite the past month. Five straight losses. They've gotten
smoked in four straight. I think they've lost by twenty
plus in each of the past four games. Defense that's
been shredded. But I mean you also, like, look who
they've played, Chicago, Dallas, Kansas City, Seattle Detroit. That's five
straight top ten offenses and yards for play. They get

(06:45):
a massive step down in class here with Miami. Add
in the travel to Europe, add in the Dolphins team
that could be emotionally spent, and I think you've got
just the classic zig zag spot here, overvalued fortunate winner
last week versus the undervalueud beaten down Commanders team that's
finally getting some schedule reliefs. So I'm gonna take the

(07:05):
points here. I like the like the Commanders a lot.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
DP I skipped you. You're on the fish side as
well with me. They'll put a pin on this contest.

Speaker 1 (07:15):
I mean, one of these teams has a passing offense,
shout out MO, and the other team doesn't. Right, We
just got to hope that Miami actually decides to show up.
When they show up, they seem like they do.

Speaker 2 (07:25):
Okay. If the Dolphins try, I don't see any reason
why they wouldn't walk over this Commander. See.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, but it's a big it's a big if. If
they will try.

Speaker 3 (07:39):
You just set a three win team or whatever they are,
is gonna walk over another NFL team. I got nothing
on this game. This is the Dolphins has done that.
Brett has a high opinion here.

Speaker 2 (07:49):
The Dolphins have I thought we agreed. The Dolphins have
obliterated two teams in the last three weeks. One of
them is a Super Bowl contender. Like when it looks
good for Miami, it looks good. And now this is
the worst team they've played in the last three weeks
by margin. So I still know unless it's a letdown.

(08:12):
If we're just capping for letdown, then yeah, then I agree.
But if we're capping for two football teams, I don't
see any advantage whatsoever for.

Speaker 5 (08:22):
Washington's capping for letdown, capping for travel variants, and I'll
take the points.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Hawks at Rams double sounder here.

Speaker 1 (08:32):
Cockr.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Rams can make that sound. I was stunned to not
see that this was a split game, But I was
absolutely stunned to see that Mo has so much conviction
in the Seattle Seahawks plus three traveling to Los Angeles.

Speaker 3 (08:54):
How could you not You want to talk about front runners?
The Rams are front runners.

Speaker 2 (09:00):
Who's who plays quarterback for the Seattle Seahawks.

Speaker 3 (09:04):
They're gonna get punched in the mouth in this game, bro.
One of these teams is a complete football team. One
of these teams is the greatest show on turf that's
gonna get punched in the mouth by a good defense.
They've been feasting on cupcakes, injured forty nine ers, bum
ass teams. Seahawks are coming out beating everybody by forty

(09:27):
They're beating people so bad they have to take their
foot off the gas at halftime. And now the Rams
are going to actually face a real defense. The Rams
are not better than the Seahawks. The Seahawks, the best
team in the NFL, is getting three points this week. Guys,
this is a layup Seahawks.

Speaker 2 (09:45):
Does this game matter?

Speaker 3 (09:46):
This is this is another thing about this game. I
know what losers like you are thinking.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
Sam Darnold.

Speaker 2 (09:54):
Every time the Rams killed him last year, every time
this guy was a game, different team, It doesn't matter.
Every time this guy has played a game that matters
in pro football, every time he pisses down the sack.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
Everyone's buying into that eediotic narrative this week and the
lines moving towards the Rams. So yeah, Seahawks. If people
aren't on the Seahawks, could you imagine the best team
in the NFL getting three points and people aren't on it.

Speaker 5 (10:23):
This is the side, there's no chance that the Seahawks
are the best team in the NFL. Why not because
Kansas City still has Patrick Mahomes.

Speaker 2 (10:34):
Yeah, quarterback has to matter. It just has to matter. Though,
in high lever situations, the quarterback position has to matter.
And every time you don't like the nine yards per play,
every time this guy has been put in a high
levere situation, just go back and look at the box
scores for Week eighteen and the wild card last week,
and look at this guy play like in complete asshole

(10:56):
and tell me that he's going to be okay in
a high levered situation.

Speaker 3 (11:00):
Matt Stafford is going to be okay when there's a
pass rush with a pulse on the other side.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
That's the biggest concern the We've seen the kryptonite for
all pocket passers, right, guys that have absolutely no ability
to escape the pocket. In the history of the NFL.
Brady is like the chief amongst them those Brady Giant
super Bowls. The absolutely kryptonite is getting pressure with four
and the Seahawks are fifth and pressure rate and thirtieth
and blitz right. This is why I couldn't have any
conviction in this contest despite the fact that I think

(11:27):
that Sam donald will play his worst game of the
season because that's what he does in high levelge situations.
And on top of that, you've got McDonald's who now
has the opportunity to do a ton of exotic stuff
on the back end, because this guy's never gonna run
like s Matt Stafford is never going to break pocket
and run, so you don't even have to assign a

(11:47):
spy or anything. You can just throw coverage at him
when you're sending four. So I completely understand that aspect.
But you just have a quarterback who one hundred percent
of the time time pumpkins in this spot, whether it
be ghosts against the Patriots or the season on the line.
Last year for the Vikings, he pumpkins us every year.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
The Vikings were suspect all year.

Speaker 3 (12:15):
Though the seas are beating people forty, how many games
they weren't. They weren't looking like the best team in
the NFL. Everybody knew that the Vikings were suspect. The
Seahawks are beating everyone by forty. This is a completely
different situation.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
We'll see, We'll see the only I have no evidence
to say that samdown will play well on a spot
like this, But that's why they play the games, and
that's why will have an opportunity this week.

Speaker 3 (12:44):
Texans Seahawks twelve to one or whatever they are to
win the super Bowl is ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (12:52):
It's ridiculous.

Speaker 2 (12:53):
Wow, this is incredible. You on a neutral field, do
you think you would trust Seattle Seahawks against againas City Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (13:03):
This is the best team in the NFC. Show me
a better one. You can't do it.

Speaker 5 (13:09):
They're playing a better one this week. I think, yeah,
I know they're not.

Speaker 2 (13:12):
I think so too. Quarterback has to matter, all right,
Texans at Titans, and we keep it with the impassioned
mo who goes from what he believes to be the
best team in the NFL to clearly the worst team
in the NFL taking Titans plus six and a half.

Speaker 3 (13:32):
I did take the worst team in the NFL. I
mean the look aheadline for this game was three. I
mean this, I haven't been this far off on the
line all year. I thought that was like pretty fair.
So I'm flabbergasted that this move three and a half points.

Speaker 1 (13:47):
I mean, why would that be fair?

Speaker 3 (13:52):
I don't understand because it's David mills Man.

Speaker 1 (13:56):
On the roads.

Speaker 5 (14:00):
David always, David.

Speaker 3 (14:01):
Mills always, David Mills, David Mills on the road. A
horrific offense is laying six points. Guys, Come on, there's
no way this is a real line. Titans are off
a bye. They already have seen this team before. They
can at least plan better with their shitty players. Maybe

(14:22):
they can make this game. I think they can. The
totals like thirty eight in this game, man, I mean this,
They need like fourteen points.

Speaker 1 (14:30):
To cover this game.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
Well, I was gonna say this for fourteen points. No,
this cap is easy to me. Do Do the Titans
score more than ten points? If no, the Texans are
going to cover Like this, Houston defense is very good.
This Titans team is horrific, and I don't know. Davis
Mills is fine, and the Texans have all of their weapons.

(14:53):
Nico is fully back, doesn't even have an injury designation,
and the young guys are coming online. Jayden Higgins looks
like the guy that all these college prospects were drooling
over during the draft process. What he Marx is coming
online and is the clear RB one in Houston as well.
So I think the Houston offense can kind of these

(15:14):
guys scored twenty six points. Granted one of them was
a defensive touchdown in the fourth quarter against Jacksonville. What
are they going to do against a Titans defense that
has absolutely nothing?

Speaker 1 (15:26):
So why was this line three last week? Why don't
you see.

Speaker 2 (15:31):
I'm seeing I'm seeing seven and a half. I'm seeing
the preseason line was three.

Speaker 5 (15:37):
Yeah, look ahead was seven and a half. Yeah, that
makes sense because they were probably probably baking Stroud into
that too.

Speaker 2 (15:44):
Correct dpull Yeah, I think so you stand put a pin.

Speaker 1 (15:50):
I don't know how the Titans score. I mean this
look like you said rich Davis Moss has been all right.
I mean he hasn't been great, but he's been fine.
They have their weapons. Why can't they put up some points?
And then that's gonna require the Titans, who are god
awful on an average day. Now they got to go
up against one of the better defenses in the NFL.

(16:12):
I mean, I don't know how the Titans moved the
ball and score points.

Speaker 3 (16:15):
Here.

Speaker 2 (16:16):
Let's get brett involved. I think it's go for Bretton.

Speaker 4 (16:21):
Yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (16:21):
I think it's worth adding the Houston's defense has been
far better at home than on the road, So I
think that that is one thing, and plus cam Ward
off the Buys. Now, I mean that's two weeks to
spend with Mike McCoy as new head coach kind of
build out the offense together.

Speaker 3 (16:38):
I think.

Speaker 5 (16:38):
I think cam Ward just continues to get better every
week going forward. So I I do kind of like
the spot for the Titans.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
My preamble stands, this is the toughest game on the
slate for Brett. It is his beloved Green Bay Packers
against gam sleek, and although he doesn't have a big
opinion on this game, I gotta give Brett involved because

(17:06):
two heart throbs for you. Manatti, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (17:10):
What the hell is gonna happen in this game, man,
I don't even I don't know what the Packers are
first of all, and this offense is putrid and I
don't understand why. I mean, I haven't been a love
guy really since day one, But how how this offense
can't score points? You know, they drive the ball down
the field and then they turn it over and it's
just like putting points on the scoreboard has been impossible

(17:31):
for this offense. And with jamis like that might be
the way the Packers finally put points on the board
is just by picking Jamis off five times this week.
So I you mean, you guys, you guys, tell me
what is gonna happen in this game, because I have
you haven't even told.

Speaker 1 (17:44):
Us what side you have.

Speaker 5 (17:47):
I don't even remember which side I picked that This
was at.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
The bottom of my car well as the graphic.

Speaker 5 (17:52):
I think I took Packers because I think I took
Packers because the pass rush against Jamis, that is, that
is where I leaned.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
The people and YouTube will see that you took the Packers.
Moe has the highest opinion on this game, and it
is also on the chief Sends in his top five.

Speaker 3 (18:08):
Yeah, I was tempted to make this my top pick.
I'm a little bit worried this is gonna be very
popular though. I initially kind of was like like in
the Giants, and then I started looking at these injuries.
So many people hurt for the Giants on defense, so
many people even on offense, some people hurt. I mean,
I'm concerned that a lot of what Jamis has looked

(18:28):
good doing the last couple of years, which is kind
of dropping back, flinging.

Speaker 1 (18:32):
The ball down the field wildly.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
I don't know how that's gonna work with these horrific
weapons they have. So I just they don't have I
can't believe I'm about to say something positive about Jerry Judy,
but they don't have any anybody as good as Jerry Judy.
So you know that two hundred yard game last year
or whatever it was, they don't have anybody like that. Like,
what is he going to do? Just drop back and
throw it to Darius Slayton. I mean, that's the only

(18:56):
person with a pulse left on the Giants. So I
just don't I don't see it, man, And I just
think the Packers it's like Brett said, he's a little
bit misleading. They're not bad. They're bad after they get
to the thirty, the opposing thirty. But you know, I mean,
this is a horrible Giants defense. So maybe they finished

(19:18):
some drives this week. The Giants are lost. I don't
think this is a team that is going to get
any sort of bump from you know, changing the coach.
And I just think the Packers should probably roll here.
I had this north of seven, So yeah, I think
the Packers are actually a good side. But I'm a

(19:39):
little bit worried everyone else is going to think so too.
I feel like people have been liking some of these
bigger favorites the last few weeks, when kind of historically
we thought they usually didn't.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Seven and a half are showing in real life, specifically
at Pinnacle. When is Abdul Carter going to show up?

Speaker 3 (19:56):
Like?

Speaker 2 (19:58):
What's going on here with this generational all worlds can't
miss edge prospect and being added to a defensive line
of very good players. Yet they're twenty sixth in pressure rate,
twenty fifth and adjusted Zach Ray thirtieth in adjusted lineyards? Like,
when are these guys gonna start playing? Well? That said,

(20:19):
I've just seen this Packers' offense play like assholes too
frequently to not take the full touchdown here, especially off
a short week offensive linemen now injured. I don't know.
I think this is just gonna be an ugly game.
But if the Giants get any dead cap bounce from
that head coach change, it could mean good thing for

(20:40):
the G's. But I'm stepping on Donna here because he
loves the GE's in his top five.

Speaker 1 (20:47):
I'm over the Packers, to be honest, I mean, I
mean rich you call them. The exact term that we
should call them a bunch of assholes is what they are,
because they go out there every single week and they
play like half a game. If that like, they don't
show up half the game. The other half of the game,
they look like an absolute disaster. You're just wondering what
they're doing. What are these play calls? What the heck

(21:07):
is Jordan Love seeing? Where is he throwing?

Speaker 3 (21:10):
Like?

Speaker 1 (21:11):
What is going on with the Packers team? I feel
like everyone wants to still include the Packers in the
conversation for the Super Bowl. Maybe that's the thing. Shout
out ODB holding on to everyone's priors, you know, before
the season, and they're just like, you know, at some
point it's got to click. This team is too talented.

Speaker 2 (21:33):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (21:33):
I don't see it. I think this team is pretty good,
but they're not in that like upper tier to make
the next step. They have too many issues. Most importantly,
they just they can't score to the extent that you
should be laying seven on the road. I don't care
if it's the Giants and what I get out of
New York is I'm pretty confident that Jamis is at

(21:56):
least gonna throw the freaking ball downfield because that's what
Jamis does, and that's what you got to do to
put points. You got to move the ball and push
the envelope and push the thing downfield. This Giants team
is like they just got rid of day ball. They
have like nothing to lose. Jamis is in there, the
absolute best gun slinger with the greatest attitude in the

(22:16):
history of mankind. I mean, you just absolutely love to
see it. This line should probably be four and a half,
quite honestly.

Speaker 2 (22:24):
All right, let's get to an NFC South tilt. The
Panthers travel to Atlanta to take on the Falcons.

Speaker 4 (22:33):
Ah.

Speaker 2 (22:34):
The Falcons are minus three and a half, did not
want to take the bye after their European trek to Germany,
and everybody is once again off the Panthers, selling the Panthers,
selling Bryce Young, selling Dave Canalis, selling the whole outfit,
and guys, this is about to buy total of forty

(22:55):
two and a half getting the hook in the Divisionlcons
team is banged up. This Falcons team has a travel
disadvantage even though they're playing this contest at home. I
think this is an extremely valuable half point that we're
getting with Carolina, and I just think this is a
classic spot to hold your nose, take a deep breath,

(23:20):
and click Carolina DP, you've got the highest opinion. On
the other side, you've got Atlanta now.

Speaker 1 (23:27):
I mean, listen, I just kind of dumped on people
who are holding onto their priors, and here I am
feeling like I'm holding onto my priors with the Falcons. Like,
I don't know, I feel like this team still has
it in them that they can perform, and this Panthers
team is trash. I can never get past the whole
home road split thing with the Panthers, specifically with Bryce Young.
I know this is a controlled environment indoors in Atlanta,

(23:51):
but I don't know. I want to believe that this
Falcons team is better than their record shows. I think
they have the pieces on offense. I mean, Pennix has
looked certainly questionable plenty of times, but you know, I
think they can move the rock. I think their defense
has enough to you know, get after Bryce Young and
make him uncomfortable there. And I think for the past

(24:14):
what three four weeks, the Panthers have been playing a
little bit above where they probably should be. You know,
Obviously they've had some good results in there, but I
don't think they're as good as their record might show.
So I'm on the Falcons and I think they can
put a big number here. Plus I don't know if
you guys remember, I don't remember what freaking week it

(24:35):
was because I tried to burn it from my memory.
But I turned on the TV and the Falcons had
a big fat zero next to them in a survivor
contest against this stupid ass Carolina team. So let's go, Okay,
this is yeah, circles, circle damn schedule and make it
happen Atlanta.

Speaker 2 (24:55):
If you're pro Fouvens, this is definitely circled cap. I
think that's the number one indicator here because no Leonard Floyd,
multiple offensive linemen banged up coming back from Germany. I
think it's just a terrible spot for Atlanta. But yeah,
it's definitely circled against a Panther's team that certainly does

(25:17):
not inspire on the whole another divisional tilt Ravens at
Brown's ah. I feel like this is a spot that
Brett always loves Browns as home dogs in a disgusting
weather spot where we're looking at forty four degrees, twenty
three sustained mile an hour winds plus those Lake effect gusts,

(25:42):
and thus Brett has the Browns bubbling his top five.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Yeah, I might tinker it, but it'll depend on if
we get more weather news closer to Saturday. This my
Atlanta my top five. But yeah, this is It's one
of the strangest but most reliable splits in the NFL.
The Browns defense at home, they are just a completely
different animal, and this is the perfect setup win Rain

(26:08):
a game script that just screams AFC North Trench warfare.
And when you know the total shrink and the passing
efficiency drops, that's when the Browns pull it all together
and then pull off some crazy stuff.

Speaker 4 (26:23):
Man Like.

Speaker 5 (26:24):
They're so good in these spots and had last week
was a weird one too, Like Cleveland dominated that game
against the Jets. They outgained them in yards per play, eliminated.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
First dominated That game was played to it, dude, dominated.

Speaker 1 (26:40):
They had forty passing yards, they.

Speaker 5 (26:42):
Scored two special teams touchdowns. Come on, man, like that
game was won by not one by Cleveland. They lost
it as well, but I thought they all played the
Jets in that game. And then on the other side,
Baltimore here coming off really kind of the exact opposite,
a win that looked clean than it should have. Minnesota
outgained them Minnesota one yards for play by a full yard,

(27:05):
and the Ravens lived off turnovers and penalty yardage.

Speaker 3 (27:09):
So yeah, thirteen penalties, seven fall starts. Somebody texts me,
did you guys see that they were supposedly mimicking the
cadence that's not allowed? So I mean, maybe the Ravens
cheated last week.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (27:25):
I didn't dig into this one, but if the Ravens
are out there cheating, then yeah, we need to be
fading them.

Speaker 2 (27:30):
How much?

Speaker 5 (27:31):
Well, it's the opposite, is Mike Rabel?

Speaker 2 (27:35):
Okay, this idiot since April watched Trayvon Henderson train run
preseason excellent athlete, probably watched I'm assuming he watched a
lot of him at the Ohio State University. Just didn't

(27:55):
use it for two months, just said we're gonna let
Remandre into the last grimmage and put the ball on
the ground. Cost us a cover against those Pittsburgh Steelers. Oh,
all of a sudden, Wo, Travion's a really good Wow.
Who would have known we got a Ferrari in the
garage and we're just.

Speaker 5 (28:16):
Something going on behind the scenes there.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
This is it's just hard, Oh, coaches never playing rookies.
Ryan Williams should be running ahead of these other Jamokes
that are playing receiver to like, just play your rookies,
head coaches, I know you're listening. I know you're listening
to Grin Gable. Just play your rookies. Let them get
out there, make mistakes, make some plays. Speaking of rookies,
when do the Browns go to Shadur? Standers, Gabriel is

(28:42):
ten miles below the threshold. What's let's see what we
got with sugar.

Speaker 5 (28:50):
Why this might be the last opportunity for Gabriel.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
Plus it's Ravens revenge. The Ravens leak that they wanted
Chadure and evidently he didn't want to go there because
he didn't want to be a backup behind Lamar. So
a little little revenge factor for Shaudur if he gets
in there. Gabriel's awful, Like this guy, I don't know
if he can even be in Profoobale. He's that bad. No,

(29:14):
he can't be.

Speaker 1 (29:15):
You're being way too nice. It's so bad.

Speaker 2 (29:19):
Like, there's guys in this jets Us quarterman that are like,
there's a chance at the rave that the Browns pass
on quarterback in the draft. I'm like, there's no shot
that if the Browns have like a top three pick,
they're not taking quarterback because of Dylan Gabriel and whatever
shoulder Sanders is, all right, split cames out of the way.
Let's get to some lone wolves pressing the wrong buttons,

(29:51):
cutting off the music. Early Brett's got the highest opinion
on a lone wolf this week, and I think this
might be a harbinger because he never ever ever puts an.

Speaker 1 (30:06):
X next to the Bills make Majana.

Speaker 2 (30:10):
And he is laying five and a half with Buffalo
at home against Baker Mayfield and the Tampa Bay Buccaneers.

Speaker 5 (30:19):
I think this is one of those matchups where the
Bills and look, the Bills have not looked good, but
this is where they're sailing actually matters, and I don't
think Tampa can reach that gear anymore without their offensive stars.
Like when Buffalo is locked in, they're still a top
five team in the league, and this feels like the

(30:39):
spot where they can put together a dominant performance in
an environment they feel confident and comfortable in, unlike last
week where clearly, I mean, every time they go to
Miami to heap bothers them. I mean, and it's not
just the Bills, it seems like every team this time
of year. But meanwhile, the Buccaneers, that early season shine
is it just it looks like it's gone. We knew

(31:00):
it was coming eventually, but Baker's mobility, which was really
the engine of all that chaos ball success they had
early on, it's just gone. And he's not scrambling anymore.
That's probably due to the oblique injury. He just looks
like a different quarterback today than he was six weeks ago.
And when Baker's stuck in the pocket, we get the

(31:21):
real picture like bottom you know, bottom five, bottom ten
and EPA bottom five and success rate the same turnover
where he plays throws that he was magically getting away
with early in the year. I think we're seeing that
catch up to him now. And now he walks into
Buffalo without his weapons. We got twenty to thirty mile
prower wins potentially rain that's the worst environment for a

(31:44):
timing based deep throw deep ball offense, and it's nothing
for Josh Allen. I mean with his arm, the wind
advantage scales toward Buffalo because he's played in these conditions
at a high level for years now, and this is
the that kind of matchup where Allen kind of leans
into his legs, especially against the defense like this that

(32:05):
blitzes at one of the highest rates in the league.
You bring pressure, and Alan's gonna break contain and rip
off explosive runs and use his improvisation to hopefully hit
some open receivers downfield, which has been a problem. But
I don't think the Bucks can keep pace here. I
think this is where the Bills kind of get right
and get this season back on track.

Speaker 2 (32:27):
Mo the highest opinion. On the other side, backing his
boy Baker Mayfield.

Speaker 3 (32:32):
Yeah, I think the Bills won their Super Bowl against
the Chiefs, and we're now seeing that this is not
a top five team in my opinion, with all these
injuries and the struggles that Josh Allen has had this year.
This is a team that wants to come out and
pound the rock. Good luck with that against this Bucks front.
And on the other side of the ball, you have

(32:54):
a team that you know doesn't want to blitz, wants
to rush for that's where Baker Mayfield thrives. He wants
to you know, sit there and find guys running into
spaces where he can laser the ball in. The Bills
don't want to play man. They don't want to do
the things that have caused Baker to struggle this year.

(33:17):
But yeah, I will say the elements are giving me
serious pause here because my biggest concern was what Brett
said is Josh Allen running the ball here could be
a massive weapon in Buffalo's favor. So there's definitely that factor.
But I do think the Bills are in a spot
where there may be the matchup maybe isn't the best
for them here.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
DPP Eylon, You've got Tampa in your top five as well.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
I got concerns about this Buffalo team. I mean, I
just I don't know. I know Josh Allen is and
certainly can be otherworldly, but this team as a whole,
I mean, I just I really worry about them. And
I mean, yeah, it's easy to It's easy for the
Bills to get up when they got to play against

(34:03):
the Ravens, you know, to start the season, or the Chiefs,
as Moe mentioned, it being their Super Bowl that sort
of stuff. But I don't know. Every other week. I
really have not been that impressed by them for a
team that I would have thought would have been for
sure in the top three the entire season. I mean,
I have them powering seventh. I just I don't I

(34:25):
don't know. I don't know what it is. I can't
put my finger on it. They just they don't have
it to me. I feel like, if I were to
put my finger on something, I honestly think it's the coach,
Like I think they got to move on and get
someone new in there, if for anything, just a freaking
change of scenery. Like I mean, it's like I feel
like mcdermo's taking them as far as he can take them,

(34:45):
and you just need like that next thing, whatever it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Is, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (34:51):
And I also worry about, you know, Josh Allen going
up against a team that's that's kind of blitz happy
in the Bucks and just that they can put him
under a lot of pressure and you know, get them
out of sorts and whatnot. And obviously, you know, Josh
can run around and do the things that he can
with his legs, but if the weather's bad and he can't,
you know, have those offscript throws, you know, and make

(35:12):
them cleanly. I think that could cause some issues. So
I think this one's just going to be ultimately a
pretty hard nosed, hard fought battle and be very close.
And I think the you know, the points are a
little bit too high here.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
It's funny you bring that up about the coaching. You
see this in soccer a lot, where there's guys that
are good at coaching low table teams and then mid
table teams, and then high table teams, and then once
they get to like where they need to be, then
the organization knows that all right, Like Joan Ditsch, you
did a great job of making sure that we didn't
get relegated, but now we have a mid table side

(35:43):
with some talent like you're out of here, buddy. So
I do think that the Bills do need that kind
of kick in the pants. I've got real American dollars
on the Bucks because there's this real strange injury status
for both Chris Godwin and Bucky Irving. They both carry
doubtful tags, which means by historical standards that they're very

(36:07):
unlikely to play, but they are both at practice, so
I don't know if this is just Bowls throwing their
names out there and wasting the Bills time making sure
they prepare for them, or if there's an actual realistic
chance for them to play. So once I saw that,
I threw some shekels on the Bucks plus five and
a half, but I couldn't get there in the contest

(36:29):
because this it does feel like a spot for the
Bills after getting embarrassed in Miami, to kind of get
their stuff together and stick it to a Bucks team
that seems like it's been regressing for the past couple
of weeks. This next lone Wolf from Brett Bengals at Steelers,
he is laying it with Pittsburgh minus five and a half.

(36:53):
And if I have a guess here, Brett, I think
you're worried about how popular Joe Flacco and since you're
gonna be in the contest.

Speaker 5 (37:02):
Not really that actually wasn't part of my cap at all.
I'm not sure what people are gonna do with the
Steelers in the contest anymore. I just don't like the
matchup for the Bengals, Like the defense can't get stops,
they're still missing, They're only good defensive player on the
roster in Hendrickson. I'm pretty sure he's just quit at
this point, and I don't blame him, Like this unit
is bottom three in every single metric, and on offense,

(37:24):
it's still a banged up old Joe Flacco behind it
offensive line that has to contain this pass rush. Like
do I believe in Aaron Rodgers on the offense? No,
But there's enough in the tank here, I think for
him to run away from this awful Bengals squad that
keeps losing to bad teams, and then it cludes the Bears,
like they're just they're losing to all these teams, and

(37:47):
I just don't.

Speaker 2 (37:48):
I just don't.

Speaker 5 (37:48):
Believe in this in this team. As bad as we
think the Steelers are, I think the Bengals are still
a bottom bottom five, six seven team this league.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Right now, Mo, and Donnie, let's see if you can
say it with me at the same time. This cap
is is is one saying right repeated three times. Let's
see if we can all say it together on three right,
three two one passing offense, better passing off.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I was gonna say better coach, better quarterback.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
It is better coach better quarterback to.

Speaker 1 (38:23):
Rule of AFC North.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
Why aren't the Bengals going to drop another four hundred? Yeah?
All he does is throw for four hundred. He's throwing
to chase.

Speaker 3 (38:30):
He better than dude, better than I gotta say. I
watched that game every snap. Unfortunately, because I don't know
what else I had to do, I just can't. I
might be too biased from watching that last game. That
performance by Rogers was bottom five I've ever seen in
my entire life.

Speaker 5 (38:48):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Not only was he a horrific player, but he had
negative heart. Dude, this is Donnie's rule of heart rankings.
He's at the bottom. Rogers is at the stone bottom
of the heart rankings.

Speaker 1 (39:02):
Dude.

Speaker 3 (39:03):
That pass rusher came into his face and he just
lofted it and just ducked and covered it was in.

Speaker 1 (39:09):
You see that every time with the old quarterbacks. Rich
always got on Brady with it, and Peyton did it
far too. At some point, you don't want to get
smashed anymore. I get it. I am fucking forty one.
I stubbed my toe and I want to go to
the fucking hospital. Okay, that's just how life is. You
imagine having two hundred and eighty pound men coming at

(39:30):
you trying to kill you. No, I'm ducking too well.
I'm not gonna lay five and a half points with
you either.

Speaker 2 (39:38):
I just don't see how the Steelers get stops. That's
my biggest challenge here. Like all the Bengals do is
go out and throw for infinite yards, So why wouldn't
they just do it?

Speaker 3 (39:50):
The thing too, That's what I was gonna say too,
is just the Bengals are so one trick that if
you like have a plan, you can stop this team,
maybe ocasionally, but the Steelers are just going to do
the same stupid shit every snap and just not adjust
to the fact that all Joe Flacco is gonna do
is back up and just wing the ball blindly toward

(40:11):
Higgins and Chase and a good coach would stop it,
but the Steelers won't. And I just, man, I'd never
seen anybody play worse than Aaron Rodgers last week, So
I just I can't lay five and a half with
that guy.

Speaker 2 (40:26):
All right, We'll keep it with Mo, who is taking
the home dog in an NFC West til car. He's
got the Cardinals plus three against the suddenly healthy San
Francisco forty nine ers in the middle of his car.
Middle of his picks, not card I mean not on defense, right,
But I don't know what to do with this one.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
There was a multiple injuries on the Cardinals that turned
me off them a bit, but still they're still getting
three at home against a forty nine ers team that
I don't really believe in. But I don't know what
to do with the Cardinals either at this point, with
the amount of guys they had injured. I want to
believe in them a little bit, just because, like once

(41:12):
they got healthier a couple of weeks ago, their defense
had a nice performance. But yeah, I at first I
was like, this is kind of crazy, this should maybe
be close to a pick. Then I looked at these
injuries and I, yeah, I just it's just a spot
where I think it's pretty close to fair.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
So I kind of love the Niners in the spot.
I've been listening to Shanahan talk these past couple of weeks,
specifically about the Ricky pierceil injury, and it seems as
if the way they treat injuries they are very it
seems like ahead of the curve when it comes to
there are specific markers that you need to hit through

(41:50):
athletic testing for you to even be greenlit to play
football for them, they're not just like, oh, how do
you feel? Are you like seventy percent? All right, go
out there and play some football. There's actually defined physical
markers that you need to hit in terms of speed
and agility that they're tracking that you need to hit
in order to be greenlit to go and play. So

(42:13):
I think the impact that we can see right away
from Purdy and Pearsall is going to be much bigger
than the impact that we see from other players who
returned from injury. And I don't think that's being baked
into this line because as well as mac Jones has
operated this offense, he's still a dope and he just
can't make plays to the level that Purdy can. And

(42:37):
the Niners receiving corps has been kind of the walking
dead without Pearsall, Like I had maybe Jennings that they
have different rules for him, because that guy's been going
out with like multiple broken ribs every week and just
kind of fighting through it. But I think both these
guys are massive upgrades to this offense. And you look

(42:58):
at the Cardinals side of the ball, Will Johnson, Jonah Williams,
Mack Wilson, Marvin Harrison Junior playing with a backup quarterback.
Weird stuff with the quarterback. I don't know. Again, they
won their Super Bowl against Dallas, and then how much
do these games actually matter to them? Niners fighting and

(43:20):
clong for a playoff spot. So I don't know. I
think Shann just comes back in a fake travel spot,
short flight to a dome and just kind of shreads
this Cardinals team. Mo, You've got one more lone wolf.
This time it is a road favorite in the Los
Angeles Chargers traveling to Jacksonville to take on the Jaguars.

(43:43):
I don't expect much of a defense here because this
is your very very very last flection.

Speaker 4 (43:49):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (43:49):
I kind of wanted to love the Chargers here actually
at first, and then I just I started thinking about
this corpse offensive line against some pretty kind of ferocious
pass rushers. So I don't know if I can get
there to actually bet the Chargers, even though I did
think they were quite undervalued last week. That being said, guys,
I've been saying it for weeks. Well here's what I

(44:12):
said a couple of weeks ago. The Jags should be
investigated for that Raiders game, right, But now I keep
looking at this Jags team week after maybe they're just abysmal. Okay,
so I mean they are. They look horrifying like week
after week. This is an atrocious football team.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Guys.

Speaker 3 (44:30):
The fact that the Chiefs blew that game against this
team is so embarrassing because if they just won that game,
they would be free and clear, not even having to
fight for a playoff spot. This Jags team is atrocious, man,
I mean, just look at their look at their results
week after week. They keep like losing slash playing close
games against awful teams, man awful teams. So there's no

(44:53):
way I could actually get behind. I would love to
hear somebody actually be confident and the Jags.

Speaker 2 (45:01):
Oh, well, you're looking at two of them, because both
Brett and Donnie have Jacksonville in their top five, but
nobody has a higher opinion than Manati on Duvall.

Speaker 5 (45:12):
Yeah, I think this number is just inflated. And I've
said this about the Chargers before this season too. I
just think the market's just giving the Chargers credit that
they no longer deserve because of the issues on the
offensive line. They got the win last week, great, but
still offensively it looked like smoke and mirrors. Herbert had
no time to throw. They couldn't move the ball against

(45:33):
one of the worst secondaries in the league. He was
relying on those quick, panicked timing throws and that gets
way harder when you're on the road. And that's the
matchup that Jacksonville Watts like. You can beat this Jags
team over the top if you have time to throw,
But if Herbert is forced into nothing but like short
game stuff, it removes one path where LA has a

(45:54):
real edge. And then Jacksonville, Yeah, they've been bad, but
they get some reinforcements this week again, Brian Thomas, Brenton
Strange should be back. Jacobe Myers has another week in
the system. ATN finally gets kind of a soft landing
spot here against one of the worst run defenses in
the league. I mean, the Chargers run defense bottom five

(46:15):
across every metric, especially on explosive runs, and that's where
at N is great. So I like the Jacks to
bounce back here after that embarrassing loss last week, and
I like I like them on them on the money
line this week.

Speaker 2 (46:30):
DP Piland with Jacksonville.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
Yeah, I mean the final thing that Brett touched on
the run game for Jacksonville. You know, I think that
I think a lot of teams can move the ball
against the Chargers d running the ball, and I think
it's says this sets up well this week for Jacksonville
to do it and ultimately, you know, that kind of
slows everything down, which I think the Chargers already want
to do on their side of the ball. So if

(46:55):
both teams are in a way kind of trying to
slow the game down, I just think this square was
going to ultimately be a bit closer. Offensive line problems,
as Brett mentioned for Los Angeles are certainly notable. I
mean I think even before last week, I think all
of us would agree that, you know, the Steelers weren't

(47:16):
that good, and we were kind of always on them
for that, you know, just not being that great of
a team. And then it was obviously showcase last week
when they got their doors blown off by the Chargers.
But I mean, if we don't think the Steelers are
that good, then why should we put a ton of
weight into what the Chargers did last week? So part
of this is also you know, selling a little bit

(47:36):
of that Chargers action giving it back. I mean, the
Jaguars have been frisky in some games. Yeah, they shot
themselves in a foot a whole heck of a bunch,
I get it, But I don't know. I think these
teams are closer than this line seems to suggest. So yeah,
give me the three points at home.

Speaker 2 (47:52):
That last bit is the exact reason why I ended
up putting an X next to the Jaguars, because the
Steelers played awful. They couldn't do anything on offense, they
couldn't get anything going, and yet it took the Chargers
three quarters of that game to establish themselves as the
victor and then extend a little bit in the fourth
quarter because it's not like they played football very good either.

(48:19):
Last lone Wolf, I've got none, dp's got one, and
it's another divisional tilt, this time between the Bears and
the Vikes, and Donnie is taking Chicago plus two and
a half in the Dome.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Yeah, I mean, not a whole bunch to say here.
I ultimately just clicked the points. I don't know about you, guys,
but I haven't really been impressed with J. J. McCarthy.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
I feel like he runs around a lot, kind of
like a young quarterback should. And yeah, there's a couple
of good plays here and there, but on the whole,
I don't know. I look at him as somebody who
is extremely indecisive every time he drops back, and I
don't know, I have issuesing that, and I don't want
to lay points with that type of quarterback, you know.

(49:06):
I think the Vikings as a whole are a pretty
good team, but if they don't have that captain, you know,
at the helm of it all that's able to kind
of put them over the hump, then I don't really
want to ever lay points with them, even if it
is south of the field goal. So I'm just going
to be on the Bears here and hope this is
a really close game at the end of the day.

Speaker 2 (49:25):
Brett's been active here in the lone Wolf segment and
it continues here as he's got something J J. McCarthy
as a favorite in his top five.

Speaker 5 (49:35):
Well, this is more of a cell job on the
Bears before the bottom completely falls out on this team.
Chicago is a ticking time bomb. They are the worst
defense in the NFL by yards per play. They're the
luckiest defense in the NFL by turnovers. They're the most
fortunate offense in the NFL in terms of like turnover
impact and where they're getting the ball. You can literally

(49:55):
not build a more unsustainable profile than what you have
with Chicago. And look who they've beaten too, Like the
Raiders commanders say, we talk about this every week. They
haven't beaten anybody. They beat the Giants, they beat the
Bengals with Flacco. It's just a bingo card of bad
teams and backup quarterbacks. And in almost every single one
of those games, the Bears needed a blocked kick or

(50:17):
a fluky fumble or a turnover or a fourth quarter
meltdown just to survive. They've played the second easiest defensive
schedule in the NFL, and they're still bottom ten in
offensive success rate. And now they go on the road
where Kleb has been bad this year, and now he
goes against Brian Flores's pressure scheme, which absolutely cooked him

(50:40):
last year. So I think Minnesota, I mean, they've just
ran a gauntlet of top tier teams. Really, they played
the Eagles, Lions, Ravens. Now they get a step down
in class. McCarthy hasn't been great, No, but this Bears
defense is a perfect get right matchup and success rate

(51:01):
allowed just a screaming regression spot. And my only worry
here is that the Vikings will be popular because at
two and a half, people are just going to click
because it's short of three. But I can't get past
the obvious cell spot. On a team that is essentially
just NFC Pittsburgh. They win games they shouldn't every week,

(51:22):
so I have to sell that profile.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yeah, just to put some more numbers to what Brett
is saying, Bears thirty first schedule per DVOA thus far,
that's second easiest, negative point four net yards for play,
twenty fifth in total DVOA. You just need and you
know what I JJ called out Jordan Addison on his

(51:48):
fifteen transactions this week, so I was cutting some film
and there was a throt last week that JJ layered
on a medium crosser where he layered over the linebacker,
which is a pretty nice throw. So I don't know
if we can get flores here. Continuing to cook up
the pressure number two in pressure rate this season against
Caleb Williams. My biggest fear is Caleb's starting to break

(52:10):
pocket more, obviously on that big play last week, and
it's just one of those things. The more mobile these guys,
are the the just the more efficient these offenses can be.
And when you're sending a ton of blitzes, you give
the quarterback an opportunity to escape the pocket and make
some big plays. That's something to keep its eye on.
But yeah, minus two and a half in the contest,
minus three showing in real life. It'll be interesting to

(52:32):
see how the contestants handle that. Donnie's on the Bears,
Moe's got the Chargers and Cardinals, Brett's got the Steelers
and Bills. All right, guys, got to keep the quarter
going five and zero so far. Let's make the week eleven.

Speaker 4 (52:50):
Card nine, eight, five are free. Dude, tye fire.

Speaker 2 (53:06):
If you were to tell me my super negative Jets
same game parlay, which had Jets under seven and a
half in the first half, had a chance after the
Jets walked down on my first drive and scored a touchdown,
I wouldn't have believed you. But here we are. We
start with DP, who was four and one last week

(53:27):
and has a better record on the season than MO,
and he will start us off with a split game.
It's my second pick, right, it is your second pick.
Your top pick was sniped by the collector.

Speaker 1 (53:39):
Yeah, well the fucking jamis let's go eat a w baby,
let's go.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Come on.

Speaker 1 (53:49):
We've been waiting all season for this.

Speaker 2 (53:52):
For those of you not watching it, and BRED are
absolutely disgusted with the selection.

Speaker 3 (53:58):
I'm seriously considering veto doing this pick.

Speaker 1 (54:01):
There's probably gonna be a lot of tinkering on my behalf.
I you know, I just so don't don't don't go
too crazy.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
To pull the curtain back, to pull the curtain back.
On Saturday, Donnie was begging me to not put Dolphins
plus nine nine and a half on the card, a
team that ended up winning up right outright, So I
don't know. Sometimes you just gotta again, there will be tinkering.
Brett Tinkred took off a loser for a winner on Saturday,

(54:29):
so there will be tinkering. And we just got to
trust the collective. We're rolling right now, trust each member
to carry their own weight. MO, you're up next, you're picking.
I absolutely despise this selection, So let's keep it rolling.

Speaker 3 (54:46):
I got the best team in the NFL getting three
points man on a fake road game.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
How many total selections are going to be on this
fucking game?

Speaker 2 (54:56):
Well, there's going to be eighteen hundred on the Seahawks. Oh,
that's for sure, all right.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Even if the line goes to three and a half.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
Rams, is it really gonna get to three and a half?
Is there enough pressure right now?

Speaker 3 (55:10):
There's minus one point seventeen on the three last I looked.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
Very very interesting. Well, I'm going to take a game
that Brett's gonna hate because he had the other side
of his top five and he hates international games. The
greenest team I think Bred you get there with. I

(55:36):
think Brett's absolutely hated every selection. Dude, Washington are putrid
at football. The Dolphins offense is going on a month
straight of looking like the Dolphins. I think they're just
gonna look like the Dolphins again.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
And I don't know how the great cases in this game.
So I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
What's when you.

Speaker 5 (56:00):
Have to sell Miami? This is just the week.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
You're not capping for football though, you're just capping for circumstances.

Speaker 5 (56:06):
But it's football in Europe, Dude, I don't you like,
how do you know what's going to happen in this game?
How are these guys going to travel? I just, oh, man,
I don't know. I don't know.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
I'm done with Europe games. I'm with you, Brett over it.

Speaker 2 (56:19):
They will be tinkering if I were to put on
my second selection. Currently it's the Niners. So whatever your
thoughts are on that, Brett, you are up next. And
we've gone full circle because you're going to take a
game that Donnie.

Speaker 5 (56:33):
Hayes, I've got his guy JJ McCarthy on the card.

Speaker 2 (56:40):
Everybody hates somebody's fake. I love this so much. All right,
we go to the collective machine, who I didn't do
the sounder, so I'm gonna cut it off in the
middle and then amperse.

Speaker 1 (57:08):
The collective chooses.

Speaker 2 (57:10):
The Cincinnati Bengals plus five and a half in Pittsburgh,
which means there are three consensus games that none of
us put on the card and that did not make
the card. I think this is the first time all
season that the collective pick is not a consensus pick.

(57:32):
That is a rare occurrence. And the team that bubbled
that is the Kansas City Chiefs, who are minus three
and a half traveling to Denver to take on the Broncos.
As I look across, who is the reason why it
is a combination of Donnie and Moe as to why

(57:55):
this game did not make it as the collective pick,
mostly MO because MO had zero confidence points on the Chiefs.
Tell us why you're worried about Casey in the spot.

Speaker 3 (58:07):
I mean, I'm not really worried.

Speaker 5 (58:09):
I like the Chiefs.

Speaker 1 (58:10):
But that being said, so does the market.

Speaker 3 (58:12):
I mean, I think the market is buying into everything
that's obvious about this game, which is this is an
injured Denver team with a poor quarterback and a running
back that's hurt and has been very good for them,
and now they're going to be handing off to a
rookie who we have no idea if he's good or not,
and all that's baked in. Dude, the Chiefs are four

(58:35):
point favorites in a very very tough road game here,
So I think that there's no value on the Chiefs,
though I think the spot is obvious too. It's just like,
the Chiefs can't lose this game if they want any
chance of winning the division. If they lose this game,
it's basically over. I mean as far as that goes.
So I think everybody knows that, and that's why the

(58:56):
Chiefs are I think there's maybe a sliver of value
at three and a half, but I just don't really
think it should be much past four.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
So yeah, I just.

Speaker 3 (59:08):
I think a lot of people are going to take
the Chiefs in the contest too. Man, this just seems
like a spot everybody's gonna love, as the.

Speaker 2 (59:14):
Folks can tell on YouTube by the thumbs up, Brett
is the highest on Kansas City.

Speaker 4 (59:20):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (59:20):
I mean, Denver looks great in the win column, but
they're gonna get exposed this week. And every I love
Denver coming into the year, but every week I get
lower on this team, and the record looks more misleading,
and it's all starts with a quarterback. Bnix is a problem.
Their entire pass game looks like it is on training wheels.
It's just quick save throws, nothing explosive. When they fall behind,

(59:46):
they have no CounterPunch. I don't trust this dude in
a negative game environment, and that's probably what he's facing here.
Even at home, they're eight and two because they're basically
living off of magic. They're plus sixty in the fourth
quarter this year. That's more than five touchdowns better. The

(01:00:06):
Histic team awful. Like the things you said about the Bears,
Yes they're the same. They're the exact same and now, yeah,
the cracks just get bigger with this team. Linebacker losses.

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
JK.

Speaker 5 (01:00:20):
Dobbins, Sertane is likely out again, which is a disaster
against Mahomes and Rashi Rice. This Denver defense, they look
elite on paper, but it's really fed on almost exclusively
bottom tier offenses. And this is not that this week.
And now you get Kansas City coming back off the

(01:00:41):
buy off the loss to Buffalo, the exact moment when
Mahomes and Reid historically come out with their sharpest game plans.
They can't afford to leave anything on the table here.
They have to win this game. So I I think
this should be closer to six. I think, I just
I think Denver it's gonna get smoked this week.

Speaker 2 (01:01:03):
The next consensus pick that did not make the card
gardnered no confidence points from myself, Brett or DP, but
a meager seven from Mo. And it is the Raiders
plus three and a half playing host to the Dallas
Cowboys on Monday Night football. So rather than us all
give the bearish case, Moe, give us the bowl case

(01:01:25):
on Vegas on Moneyfoal.

Speaker 3 (01:01:28):
I mean, I think the bowl case is just is
just this offense can move the ball sometimes with Rock Bowers,
and like they look somewhat reasonable on offense with Rock Powers,
and if you are somewhat reasonable, you can score points
on Dallas. So I just couldn't get to three and
a half here. I thought three I think is okay.

(01:01:52):
I just three and a half is too much for
me here. But that being said, could I ever actually
put money on a Pe Carol coach team in twenty
twenty five against the stuff that Shawnheimer is doing, which
I think is, as I've said all year, very good.
I can't do it, man, I can't bet it, even
though I think this is a dumb line. I thought

(01:02:13):
last week was a dumb line two, and I just like,
but at least I knew with nine, I had like leeway. Okay,
if I'm wrong, maybe you know, maybe they lose by
four or so, you know, and it's just like there's no,
there's not as much leeway on three and a half.
I can't actually bet this game because I hate the Raiders,

(01:02:34):
but I do think it's too high.

Speaker 2 (01:02:36):
Total of fifty two, so the points don't actually matter.
The team that covers this team is likely going to win.
The dog included every part of my football brain was saying,
Schottenheimer and Dak are going to absolutely whax this idiotic
Raiders team. And then every part of my handicapping brain
was saying, you can never lay three and a half
points with a defense as bad as Dallas is on

(01:02:59):
a ass track against Gino Smith, who will throw the
ball downfield and will feed an elite player in brock Bauer.
So ultimately, this was the very last game on my
fourteen and garnered absolutely no confidence points. Finally, Lions at Eagles.

(01:03:22):
I want to start with Donnie, because Donnie, this must
have been we were talking about Packers versus jamis a
very tough decision for Brett. Donnie, how did you possibly
choose between your two favorite teams in the National football play?

Speaker 1 (01:03:35):
What what are you talking about? You never ever pick
against Dan Campbell ever? You just you always that he
is the best. I mean, come on.

Speaker 2 (01:03:48):
The other shocking bit of this is that the highest
opinion comes from Manati, who's got the most confidence points
on We're all on Detroit, by the way, we all
have Detroit plus two and a half in fields.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Yeah, Philly's Philly's not very good. I think these are
just two different tiers of football teams. I think Detroit
is significantly better than Philadelphia, so I don't really understand
this line. I'm happy to click Dan Candle here.

Speaker 2 (01:04:15):
The more man the more I sat with this game, Like,
the only reason why the Eagles are favored and the
only reason why they're being capped as the same team
as Detroit is the logo on their jersey. Like, I'm
very impressed by what Dan Campbell is doing this year

(01:04:37):
after Ben Johnson and Aaron Glenn both walked out the door,
and when he takes the rains last week everything we
know about dip in, hard nosed Dan Campbell. It's the
first time all season the Lions were above zero in
pass rate over expectation. He went out there and he

(01:04:58):
had Jared Goff throw a pill. So but what I mean,
what if if Dan Campbell is just him and like
the Lions have such a talent advantage over Philadelphia on
both sides of the ball, this is like lining up
I think, Man, I'm starting to fall in love with
this this Lion's side this week and think this should

(01:05:21):
be way closer to zero and could be teetering on
wrong team favor All right, Bengals, Giants Seahawks Dolphins Vikings.
I don't think anybody's hap.

Speaker 1 (01:05:40):
A very collective, can I live tinker?

Speaker 2 (01:05:43):
Right? Let me just let me just say these awful
quarterbacks real quick, because we've got Joe Flacco, Jamis Winston,
two attack of Ala, JJ McCarthy, and Sam Darnold an
absolutely horrific quintent Quinn.

Speaker 3 (01:05:57):
Nine yards per play, Sam Darnold, Joe Flacco is fucking balling.

Speaker 1 (01:06:01):
What what are you talking about?

Speaker 2 (01:06:04):
All right? Live Tinker? What are we feeling?

Speaker 1 (01:06:06):
I want to put the Chiefs on dum Dum writes.

Speaker 2 (01:06:12):
I was gonna say, poor odb odb has made it
an hour and five minutes in. He's probably disgusted at
the fact that we had such an awful group of quarterbacks,
and then, just as an exclamation point, you go ahead
and paid vote Nicks.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
Buddy, the d ms we're gonna get when he hears
Brett say that the Broncos are the Bears are gonna
be incredible.

Speaker 3 (01:06:38):
Okay, I'm calling let's let's sake, though there's so many
Broncos fans victory lapping on Twitter. It's embarrassing, dude. What's
the line in the house for this one?

Speaker 2 (01:06:50):
Eleven forty seven. Wow, let's go eleven forty seven m
Pacific time here on Thursday. That is the line for
which Odie comes into the O. Our Twitter DMS is
that we're idiots, all right. I'll follow these guys on
Twitter at Brett Colston, c O double L s O

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double W A R A H. I'm at rich T
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If you have the Patriots and survivor, I'm sorry, I'm
rooting a extry faith. Yes see you guys next very
peace