2025 Week 13: Thanksgiving Drunk Cast

Thanksgiving throws a wrench into The Collective's process and leads to some chaos as they try to create their Week 13 card for Circa Sports Million.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
And welcome back to Great ire Gamble, the only podcast
as I switched my mic who put this money where
its mouth is? I'm your host, rich Ron, and I'm
joined by the entire collective, the Disciple, Brett Colson, Donnie, DP,

(00:30):
Peters and the Resident moves himself mon Nouwara. If you're
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of Choice five stars only Like Calvin Johnson, a man
h used to grace our television screens every Thanksgiving, but

(00:51):
it's now retired from those Detroit lines. Oops, it's the
Wednesday before Thanksgiving. The drunk cast is upon us. Buttons
are being mashed incorrectly, three one in one last week

(01:12):
in Circa Sports million, bringing us to thirty five twenty
four and one on the season, one and a half
points out of the current cash line and tied with
one of the goats, something Fedsik Brett disgusted by me

(01:35):
mentioning him last week Moe's four and one. Brett and
I were both three to one and one and DP
was one and four. But hashtag when it matters DP
niners minus seven get the cover for us.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Only need one baby and it's got to be a winner.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
So things are getting flipped on their heads, not only
because it's a Wednesday and we're recording with incomplete information,
but it's the drunk cast. Oh man, I didn't I
didn't make sure I could open this. You know sometimes
how you have to get your nail on there first
before all Right, we're good now, some as MR for
the kids thing these days, right, there's like entire accounts

(02:15):
dedicated to this. That's the goods. That not not good.

Speaker 2 (02:24):
That was a horrible asmr. It was so bad.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
No, it's gonna say it's gonna no, it's gonna say no.

Speaker 2 (02:30):
What you need to do? You know what you need
to you need to AI it and just put you
know that's a big thing.

Speaker 1 (02:35):
Well it's got to email Dustin and then maybe we
could get get an enhances. I can't crack on the pot.
We're going to this. I love this. Brett's gonna hate this.
It is a uh Michelada in a can Mikeel MODELO
Lemoni sal horrific. For the sodium count, it's like a

(02:56):
sixty percent sodium. It's definitely gonna put me in the grave.
At least five years early by housing these down all right,
the pods on its head as well, because it ended
up that every Thanksgiving game Thanksgiving itself Thursday, ended up
in somebody's lone Wolves. So instead of starting with split games,

(03:28):
we're going straight to the lone Wolves. We'll bring in
split games after and we'll start with MO. Who has
the highest opinion on a lone wolf, and it is
on the returning so called elite quarterback Joe burn and
the Cincinnati Bengals getting a full touchdown traveling to body

(03:49):
More to take on the Ravens. MO, what are you
like in here about Cincy Sands? T? Higgins?

Speaker 3 (03:58):
Well, I jumped the gun last week, didn't I? I
told you guys that the Bengals would be rare in
to go because they were gonna have Joe Burrow back
and not gonna be like that this week.

Speaker 4 (04:09):
The energy, yeah, I mean it's it's partially Joe Burrow
coming back, and it's partially guys, we just had another
piece of shit performance from this piece of shit Ravens offense.

Speaker 3 (04:28):
When are you guys just gonna admit this team isn't good?
At what point do we have to just be like
MVP Lamr's not coming back. This offense stinks and they
shouldn't be minus seven against Joe Burrow, Like, why should
I believe the Ravens are good? I mean, listen, if

(04:49):
the Ravens came out and looked good on offense and
won thirty five to twenty one, would I be surprised?
Not really, because on paper they should destroy this Bengals defense.
But I just see this team week after week coming
out looking like dog shit on offense, and you can't
be laying seven points with a team like that. So

(05:11):
if bum Lamar, hopefully he's listening, you stink Lamar. I
drafted you everywhere this year. Finally bought in after wondering.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
He was wondering where coming from.

Speaker 3 (05:23):
So get your head out of your ass and score
some points this week, you loser.

Speaker 1 (05:28):
There's always some reason you and Clark are the best.
The anger is always coming from some bet or some
fantasy angle. It's never actually like, we'll show me the lie.
He has been a terrible fantasy asset. No, you're you're
correct in that.

Speaker 3 (05:48):
But if talking about fantasy, what about real football? He stinks?
I'm looking taking up the joint week after week.

Speaker 1 (05:55):
Everything I'm looking at says they're decent, and where they
have failed, you know, it's a good remedy for fumbling
around and not having success. How about the Cincinnati Bengals,
who are pretty much the worst at every aspect of
defensive football. Their best player is still d np Quit.

(06:17):
They're just we get all these reports, all these statuses,
all these injury updates. Can somebody tell me what's going
on with Trey Hendrickson? Somebody? Can we get Pablo on this.
Can Pablo stop sparring with Jordaan for two seconds and
tell me what's happening with Trey Hendrickson right now? And
you say Joe Burrow, You keep saying Joe Burrow, But

(06:39):
this isn't gonna beat Joe Burrow. This is gonna be
a guy off his couch with a foot injury. Like
we can't just expect him to be one hundred percent
Joe Burrow the first snap that he takes playing football.
So I'm I'm skeptical the offense. I know the defense
is awful. All this being said, I'm the lowest. Donnie,
you are the highest, and you don't even have this

(07:00):
in your top five. You don't even have in bubbling,
so put a pin on Baltimore.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I mean, part of my pick here is that I
want to start playing to win as much money as possible,
and I think a lot of people are going to
echo Moe's sentiments. Joe Burrow coming back. Ravens have looked
like dog shit every single week, even though they're getting
some wins, They're laying a full touchdown here. I mean,

(07:27):
I'm kind of with you, Rich and that you want
to ask for a get right spot. I mean, this
Bengals defense is hot garbage. I mean, I know we
didn't get the cover last week, and I know Rich
is pissed off about it and wants to, you know,
kill Mike Rabel, but like, they had multiple opportunities to
put the ball in the end zone there and should
have won that game easily and covered easily. Right, So,

(07:48):
I don't know, I feel like this Ravens team, Yes,
on the whole of the season, I'm not really behind them,
and I think they've looked more average than good. But
one week, come on, just give me one week against
this trash as defense. Give me one week.

Speaker 1 (08:03):
It's a good thing the Ravens have Derrick Henry and
not that a real bum Romandre Stevenson. That guy's all
bomb blowing the cover last week, just running into guards
and falling down and still instead of trying to find
a way into the end zone and to Donnie's popularity point.
Currently seventy eight percent of the handle is on Joe

(08:25):
Burrow and the Cincinnati Bengals. Let's move to most team,
the Kansas City Chiefs, who travel to Big d to
take on the Cowboys. The Chiefs are three and a
half point road favorites, and I am once again banging
my head against the law, taking the Kansas City Chiefs

(08:48):
against the spread popularity being one of the reasons I
have this low and a tiebreaker from me is the
fact that once again the entire world is on the
Cowboy as home dogs. Last week, despite going down twenty
one nil, they found a way, excuse me, to get
the cover and actually win out right thanks to a

(09:10):
muffed punt by my guy, Xavier Gibson. Xavier Gibson might
have the most wild NFL career in terms of like
long returns and fumbles. I think he's fumbled the ball
twelve times now and he is literally just a punt returner,
so I don't know why this guy is in pro football.
Good job Howie. Good job Eagles for all the amazing

(09:33):
moves that they make to just get this guy and
stick him back that are in these seemingly low positive income.
This is Brettzman on this forever. There's when it comes
to punt returns, there are very few, if any, high outcomes,
and every other outcome is bad. So let's put a
dope back there. Who's gonna try to return it from

(09:55):
the one yard line? But I digress in I return.

Speaker 3 (09:59):
Go y.

Speaker 5 (09:59):
Now the guy. I think guy returned a punt for
a touchdown on Monday Football against the Bills, and now
he thinks he's invincible.

Speaker 3 (10:05):
I was going to bring that up. I was pretty
sure that was him.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
That was But back to this game for Dallas, this
is their third game in eleven days. They're riding the
highest of highs after a primetime win and then an
epic comeback at home against the Eagles and income. The Chiefs,

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who took every single blow from the Colts last week,
stood there, held their ground and hashtag when it mattered
for the last couple of drives against this Colts offense
absolutely stonewalled them in the second half and overtime and
made enough plays to win. Now they're playing, speaking of

(10:50):
bad defenses, a horrific Dallas defense which has improved upfront
with Overshown returning and the trade to Quinn Williams, but
still has an extremely suspect secondary, which was getting got
when the Eagles were able to protect and throw the ball.
Last week. Aj Brown just getting chunks of yards every

(11:12):
time he was targeted. And now you've got Rashie Rice
coming in, who's just going to kill them on these crossers,
kill them on these deep overs. And I think it's
going to be easy mode for Mahomes tomorrow. So again,
I'm low on this, don't have a high opinion, but
the coin ended up on Kansas City. DP and Brett

(11:32):
both have the Cowboys in their top five. Brett, we'll
get you in.

Speaker 5 (11:39):
Did I I remember putting a top five?

Speaker 3 (11:43):
What a joke of a show already?

Speaker 5 (11:45):
Maybe I did? I do?

Speaker 2 (11:46):
I do like them, buddy, It's Wednesday.

Speaker 1 (11:51):
Sorry they bubbled. It's a sixteen game slate, so I'm
seeing eleven next to the game, and usually an eleven
is top five, but sixty games late, that is a
direct bubble of Brett's.

Speaker 5 (12:03):
I'll carry the flag anyway. I mean, look, the Cowboys
offense has been money at home this year and for years.
Dak Pickens Ceedee Lamb. They're unstoppable right now, and this
Chiefs defense is quietly sliding twenty fourth and EPA against
the pass when you strip out all the garbage time.
Casey also without all pro guard Tray Smith this week,
which means Quinn Williams and that Dallas pass rush be

(12:25):
able to get home. I just think the Cowboys can
score with anybody. They're a leadoff play action, They're the
special teams. I mean, Brandon Aubrey is just ridiculous, and
in a Dome game that is probably gonna be decided
by a field goal, I will I'll take the hook
with clearly the better kicker. I mean, MO will tell

(12:47):
you all about Harrison Buker. But yeah, I just think
I think Dallas is legit ep pylon.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
I agree with Brett very much on the offensive side
of things for Dallas. I mean, what universe do you
ever want to lay three and a half on the
road with this Chiefs team? Like I don't like, I
don't understand. I mean, you can give me Dallas's defense
is not that great, Rich, that's fine, I agree with you.
Has this Kansas City team been someone to expose anyone

(13:15):
this season at all?

Speaker 1 (13:17):
Yes, the Commanders exposed.

Speaker 2 (13:20):
Okay, okay, sorry, the Commanders. Yeah, sorry, I'll put them.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I'll put that. This is a commanders level, This is
a commander's level defense.

Speaker 2 (13:30):
I mean, okay, that's fine, But like what, Dallas just
can't go blow for blow for them the entire game,
maybe even more so at this At this stage, I
don't know how you can say that you have more
trust in whether it's Casey's defense stopping Dallas' offense or
Casey's offense scoring to outscore Dallas's offense. Dallas' offense is

(13:53):
going to be the best unit on the field in
this game by far.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
Honestly. Part of my take and the reason why I
put an X next to Kansas City is in the
Legend Great Drink Survivor, Casey is the only favorite available
to me this week because of his crazy roles. So
I'm just begging for a Casey outright?

Speaker 5 (14:10):
What are we what are we doing here? We're trying
to win a contest?

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Is Rich's clicking for a fantasy sweat and the other. No,
the other thing is that, are you guys really gonna
put Dallas top five most popular pick on the card?
You guys gonna do that again? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:26):
Now, I'll be the first to tell you that I
will likely change a lot of things tonight based on
what we talk about popularity wise, because I'm I don't
I don't know where some of these games are gonna land.
I already brought it up when I talked about my
Ravens pick, So, like you know, I'm gonna be kind
of all over the place when it comes to popularity.
But I really do think that we are at the stage.

(14:47):
You guys can fucking give me all the min cashing
bullshit that you want. I don't give a shit. Let's
go win a million dollars. Let's make it happen. We're
not that fucking far away, Okay.

Speaker 3 (14:56):
In fairness to me, not only was Dallas not my
number one pick, but it was by far the right side. Okay,
Like they were down that was the one. It doesn't matter.
That was because of a fake ass, fake ass penalty
on a punt and just everything went wrong and they
turned it over on fourth down deep in enemy territory

(15:19):
and then the right things started happening when it was
going the other way. That game was just like pretty
evenly played, and Dallas was plus three and a half
and they, I think closed three, and it was just
a stupid line. It was as stupid of a line
as I said it was, and it was as stupid
of a line as everybody knew it was. Because they
all pounded Dallas.

Speaker 1 (15:39):
Dallas had to pass the sticks in the right side.
Incredible stuff. We deviate from Thanksgiving briefly to go to
a very boring game, Cardinals at Bocks. I am the
lone person on the Tampa Bay Buccaneers. I don't know
how you can even have an opinion on this game.

(15:59):
Because of the quarterback situation for Tampa Bay. I think
Baker's going I don't think this is going to be Bridgewater,
and I think this is going to balloon out past
a field goal. It's a sprain on his non throwing
shoulder and they just kind of wave the white flag
in the night game, So I think this has more

(16:22):
of a chance not to be Baker. And even if
it's Teddy, I still like the Bucks in this spot
because of leverage reasons. I think everybody is going to
click Arizona, and I think the Bucks will be able
to just do enough on both sides of the ball
to beat a terrible Cardinals team, which is now terrible
and injured this half. I'm seeing seven starters dnp'd here

(16:48):
on Wednesday. So Tampa has just struggled against very good
opponents the second hardest schedule in football. Now they get
to line up a bunch of cupcakes and mow them
down on their way to winning the division. And I'm
just not concerned about a Cardinals team in the spot.
So I either think we get the starting quarterback and

(17:09):
there's gonna be some some value in the team being better,
or we get the backup and a bunch of people
are gonna click the Cardinals thinking they're getting line value
when in reality they're just taking a shitty team on
the road against a future playoff team. Mo, you've got
the you're dissenting with the most fervor, you've got the
Cardinals in your top five?

Speaker 3 (17:30):
Yeah, because this is injured Baker Man. We've seen this
movie how many times. He's the worst dude. He is
going to do stupid shit and play when he should
be sitting. He almost ruined his career like this, like literally,
so why should I think that he's gonna be I'm

(17:53):
with you. I think he's gonna play because he's an idiot.
So he's just gonna go out there and play be
horrible because he thinks he's doing some you know, nightly
shit and just like writing to his team's rescue when
it's the complete opposite. And I just can't trust him
to do anything positive right now when he's banged up.

(18:15):
So I get where you're coming from, because yeah, I
saw those same Cardinals injuries too, But I just I
just think how bad this Bucks offense has been aside
from literally running straight against the Bills lately, I just
I just I don't know what to expect from Baker

(18:36):
in this offense. So Igbuka has been a ghost for
weeks now, and just I can't trust this team. And
I don't understand how the Cardinals could possibly if this
goes past three. That would be idiotic.

Speaker 1 (18:50):
Okay, we move to Donnie, who has four lone wolves,
but we'll start on Thanksgiving. You all knew who was
gonna do it. Albeit this is low. This is probably
the lowest you've ever selected the Detroit Lions minus two
and a half, playing host to their division rivals, the
Green Bay pack.

Speaker 2 (19:16):
What you got, deep, I don't really have much at all.
I don't believe in this Packers team. I mean, I
don't know what you want me to say.

Speaker 1 (19:24):
Two very evenly matched teams. I see Green all across
my ratings over here. Market ratings have them very close
as well. But Brett is very high on his Packers
and has him in his tough.

Speaker 5 (19:41):
Yeah, these teams kind of mirror each other, They're very similar,
but it all starts with the Packers defense. For me,
this Green Bay unit is legit. They're allowing just four
point sixty yards per play, which is elite territory. Like
no team has finished under four and a half since
the twenty fifteen Broncos. With Von Miller, that's a defense
that and travel and win you games. And they've completely

(20:03):
taken away upon his run games. That's a nightmare for
what the Lions are trying to do. They're trying to
live off play action. Then he gives Montgomery to stay
ahead of the sticks and Jared Goff has been average
at best without Sam Laporta, and defenses have adjusted to
this offense, like the you've got the interior of Detroit's

(20:24):
offensive line now falling apart, and Golf has always been
a different quarterback when he's pressured up the middle, and
the Packers front is built to exploit exactly that. And
on the other side, like I talk about Jordan Love,
but he's quietly been a good quarterback this year, and
he's one of the best in the league against man coverage.
And no team plays more man or cover one than

(20:46):
the Lions. So I love the match up here again
for the Packers against this Detroit team. We might as
we might see Matthew Matthew Golden back this week to
another weapon for the Packers. And so yeah, I like
the Packers quite a bit here. I think the Lions
are big gas, their offensive lines banged up, and I

(21:07):
think their defense is overvalued. So give me the Packers.
I think the Packers just win this outright. I like
them money butt line.

Speaker 1 (21:13):
Jayden Reid also been practicing in may limited fashion. Is
it Jayden reads their best receiver? Right?

Speaker 3 (21:23):
No, he's not even a receiver. Well, it's definitely not Goldies.
That guy stinks not yet. No, it's probably at least
Rodeo Dobbs hate. I mean, come on.

Speaker 1 (21:35):
Guys, Dobbs seven yard he has a seven yard hitch
merchant like he's just a guy.

Speaker 3 (21:42):
He is, But at least he catches the ball. That's
more than these other bums can say. The amount of
like Brett was saying, the amount of drops that the
Packers have had this year is disgusting. That Eagles game was.

Speaker 1 (21:53):
Horrid, rolling out Christian Watson and Dontavian Wicks at least
fantasy darlings who actually stink it real football. Yeah, I
just think that.

Speaker 5 (22:04):
Watson's actually made a few plays the past few weeks.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
I think this is a perfectly lined game. I'm excited
to watch it. I guess I will. Obviously I'm on
the dog here, but more interested in watching the game. Oh,
you had a for the real betting. You had an
under angle here that you were talking about before in
the chat.

Speaker 6 (22:27):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (22:27):
I like the under quite a bit in this game.
I know it's not even fifty in a dome against
two offenses that are perceived as very strong and explosive,
So I think a lot of people are going to
be looking at the other side here. But I'm with
Brett when it comes to this Lion's passing game is

(22:48):
not looking impressive. I mean am and Ra had fourteen
catches last week. Jamison Williams had zero. I don't know
what's going on with this Lion's passing game, man. I mean,
Jared Goff has been really bad and must pass situations.
He was horrifying against the Eagles, and so I just
think they're going to try and pound the rock and

(23:11):
this dude, a Aiden Hutchinson against a quarterback who I
think is pretty bad under pressure. That's been kind of
the weakness of Jordan Love. And I think they're going
to try to run the ball too. So I just
I do this Packers offense isn't looking that impressive, like
Donnie was saying. So I just don't really believe in

(23:33):
these offenses right now. I think they're overvalued.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Josh Jacobs completely off the injury report as well, so
maybe a little more incentive for the Packers to cram
both the team's average in net neutral PCE as well.
We moved down. We move up actually on Donnie's card
off of Thanksgiving too. He's back on him. They got

(23:57):
him his only cover last week, and it's top five
and he's laying the five and a half with the
Niners as they travel to Cleveland to take on the
brown Yeah.

Speaker 2 (24:06):
I think last week's Brown's Raiders game, you know, I
think that one played out like we hear very much
outlined that it would, and that was largely because you know,
that Browns front was able to wreck the Raiders front
get to Gino. You know, Miles Garrett of course went off.
But I'm not just willing to like buy in on

(24:26):
the Browns, even though you know, we saw some bad
quarterbacking out of Brock Purty last week. So I think
this forty nine Ers offense, Purdy, the weapons, you got,
Shanahan able to scheme things up, they got a better
offensive line. Not that anyone's going to like shut down
Miles Garrett, especially with the season that he's having, but

(24:48):
contain him, scheme around him enough. And then on the
other side, I mean, Shuitar is not good. I'm sorry, Like,
I don't like that guy is atrocious. I mean he
had that one kind of roll out that I mean,
so like, how am I supposed to get behind this guy?

Speaker 6 (25:05):
Like so?

Speaker 2 (25:06):
And I feel like, I don't know, I feel like
people are gonna be on the Browns this week, so
I don't want to be on them, so I don't.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (25:13):
Maybe I'm wrong there, but but yeah, I really like
the forty nine ers in this spot.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Is a success rate in the twenties.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
Bad Saying pretty had a bad game is charitable. That
guy was, as the Fellas on the Deep Dog like
to say, he was turbo dog shit in that game
in Cleveland. Bad weather, lots of wind, lots of rain,

(25:40):
home dog. That means Brett puts an ex next to
the Browns.

Speaker 5 (25:47):
Every damn week. Give it to me every week. I
just get this and I'm repeating. I'm repeating what I
say every week when they're at home. This is too
many points for a defense that absolutely feasts in that stadium.
This unit turns into a different animal in Cleveland. And
I'm gonna give you some trends. They're thirteen and seven

(26:08):
against the spread at home, six six and two against
the spread his home dogs of more than a field
goal since twenty twenty three. And yeah, like the market
adjusts to these results. But this is the exact spot
where the Browns show up and they still get disrespected
by the market. In my opinion, and now you've got
Brock Perdy coming in, who's he looked banged up. He's

(26:30):
playing in cold, wet, windy Cleveland weather fifteen to twenty
mile per hour winds, fifteen to twenty five mile per
hour winds, which is brutal for a quarterback who's already
had I mean, he's got a blow average arm, he's
got small hands, and we've seen this already play out before.
Perdy went there in twenty twenty three at one of
the worst games in his career, in lousy conditions, twelve

(26:52):
for twenty seven, one hundred and twenty five yards, no rhythm,
He just he looked off. He's not built to play
in that environment. And like, let's get it straight. I'm
not counting on Shuldar Sanders to light it up, but
against the forty nine ers pass rus that it doesn't
really I mean, they're not gonna travel in a game
strip that really just reads like a run the ball

(27:15):
shortened the game type situation. I think Cleveland's very live.
I think this is another big game from Judkins, and
I think Jim Schwartz is gonna dial up pressure and
probably just gonna see a low scoring grind here. Where
five and a half points is just too many. I
think this is a spot where Cleveland can just win again. Man,

(27:35):
I just I don't I don't understand this number.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Can the Cleveland Browns get to fourteen points?

Speaker 3 (27:41):
That is?

Speaker 1 (27:42):
I need to come on, man, come.

Speaker 3 (27:46):
On, they have a horrific quarterback. Man, you do not
want to be buying sugar off a win. I just
can't get there. I wanted to love the forty nine
ers actually here in this spot because there was good weather,
forty nine ers should probably win by fourteen. I might
be seventeen to three.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
But look ahead of look ahead of six and a half.
Why did it? Why would it come off to look
at because because particularly suffocated a horrific Raiders team, Like, come.

Speaker 5 (28:18):
On, because the market was wrong last week with the
shutar stuff and we've talked about that, like they moved
two and a.

Speaker 3 (28:25):
Half off Gabriel to we are they wrong about this?
Guess they were still very wrong? Come on, still they
were wrong.

Speaker 1 (28:34):
I think they were wrong about the Raiders. I don't
think they were wrong about should like the Raiders.

Speaker 5 (28:40):
This dude, he's terrible that there's no way any quarterbacks
three points worse.

Speaker 1 (28:46):
Dylan Gabriel. Dylan Gabriel is the worst quarterback in the league.
Sanders is kind of better than him, Like, I don't
think that he's measurably better than he.

Speaker 3 (28:57):
No one thing, and that's that. There is no oh
way Dylan Gabriel would have completed that forty yard touchdown
bomb on the run, okay, because he can't even get
it forty yards.

Speaker 5 (29:06):
Yeah, yeah, he probably would have fallen out.

Speaker 1 (29:11):
All right. We head to western Pennsylvania, where Brett's beloved.
The Bills make me wanna our favorites against the Pittsburgh
Steelers a flat three in the contest. I'm seeing the
hook in real life and Donnie is laying it bubbling.

(29:35):
Is that fun? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
This is just my lack of trust, in utter disdain
for the Pittsburgh Steelers. I can't. I can't support them.
I just can't. Not in today's world. Then yeah, I mean,
maybe the Steelers can run on Buffalo. It seems to
be their their weak point on defense. But I mean
the Dogs obviously disagree with me. But yeah, I have

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more trust in Buffalo, even though Buffalo has looked questionable.

Speaker 3 (30:05):
Penalty flag Wait wait what illegal formation? False start on mo?
I clicked the wrong side here, I have the other side.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
I thought you were throwing the flag on Rich for
a second, at least out myself.

Speaker 3 (30:22):
I was like, wait, this is a lone wolf. Something's
wrong here.

Speaker 1 (30:24):
In your top five?

Speaker 3 (30:25):
Here, I fixed it Rich, Yep, so you have the.

Speaker 1 (30:28):
Bills all right, we'll just keep it. We'll just kick
it to Mo. Then we'll briefly enter into the split
cam segment. Bills in your top five?

Speaker 3 (30:35):
Yeah? Sorry, uh this one. I just cannot believe this
line is this short. I am looking at this Bills team.
I understand that there's some injuries here, Yes.

Speaker 1 (30:47):
Injury going to be the second best player on the
team is not going to play that.

Speaker 3 (30:52):
Yes, they are going to be without maybe one, maybe
two offensive tackles. We'll see what happens here. But it
doesn't matter, dude. They're just gonna run straight. Josh Allen
will make enough plays. Pittsburgh is gonna blitz the shit
out of him, which is idiotic because every time I
see Josh Allen do stupid shit, it's when everyone maintains

(31:15):
their rush lanes and he just loses his mind trying
to make a big play. He's gonna have all the easy.
Blitzer replaced dumpoffs in this game against the Steelers defense,
and the Steelers are horrible on offense. Guys, they are horrible. Okay,
they are gonna need more than twenty points to keep

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up with the Bills, and I don't think they can
get there. I don't even know. Is this gonna be
injured Aaron Rodgers? I guess, is it gonna be Mason Rudolph.
I don't know. They're both awful. DK Metcalf is hurt.
I mean, what can you do with this offense? They're
just gonna try to HB dive their way to a cover,

(31:56):
I guess, but I don't think that's gonna work when
they're only getting three and the opposing quarterback is Josh Allen.
So I mean, I don't think Josh Allen is having
a good year, but I think this is an insane line.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
Brett, you guys finally got your guy at receiver.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Brandon Cooks saved the day ten years too late.

Speaker 5 (32:21):
Great. I think we have like twelve receivers on the
roster now.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
Well, Elijah crashed out and got cut today. He was
literally tweeting about Brandon Cook's getting signed, just grasping out
this is Bills have no tackles. Mike Tomin has voodoo,
this is this is a very easy cap, right, Brett.

Speaker 5 (32:40):
Yeah, And I think I think the Bills are gonna
be popular if it's a three two, So that's that's.

Speaker 3 (32:45):
They're gonna be really popular because it's three and a half.
They made up this fake line. I haven't seen this
line all week.

Speaker 1 (32:55):
Maybe they're assuming when Rogers gets announced it gets to
a flat three because the betting market does not want
to place wagers on Mason Rudolph. Maybe maybe that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (33:08):
But I was seeing the Bills team stay the Steelers juiced.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
That's the problem. The problem with this is the Bills.

Speaker 3 (33:16):
I kind of think they're frauds too, but the Steelers
are more fraudulent.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
They are, but they're also at home three shitty Weather
getting three points exactly.

Speaker 3 (33:25):
That's when Josh Allen thrives. Though you can't.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
I don't think you can bring up shitty Weather with
the Bills. I mean, they playing.

Speaker 5 (33:34):
I've never seen Josh Allen play without Dean Dawkins and
Spencer Brown before. I don't know what that's going to
look like.

Speaker 1 (33:41):
Dean Dawkins, by the way, that's a fellow who I
was referencing as the second most important player on this team.
Shouts to full circle back to last week's episode, Shouts
the Temple, shouts to Rahway, New Jersey dp's final.

Speaker 3 (33:57):
Have you seen Aaron Rodgers play this year? He is the.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
I just saw Davis Mills win outright against the Bills, so.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
He's probably better than Aaron Rodgers. I mean what Aaron
Rodgers is awful?

Speaker 1 (34:15):
Now, guys, it's bad, and it's so bad in Jets
discord because the Jets are gonna screw this up and
not tank correctly and not be in a position to
draft either Mendoza or Simpson, and Dante Moore is going
to stay in school, so we're gonna have to go
the shitty bridge quarterback route again. And trading for Davis
Mills is one of the things that, like we're banding

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about as a as a good decision. The two best
decisions we can make in the off season are trading
for Davis Mills or trading for Tanner McKey. Those are
those are the options that seem the rosiest when it
comes to bridge quarterbacks. Fun time, as I'm staring.

Speaker 3 (34:53):
At guys, makes my heart hurt for you.

Speaker 1 (34:56):
Guys as I'm staring at guys who root for Patrick Mahomes,
Josh Allen and Drake May It's it's absolutely discussed. Moving
on to Donnie's last loan, Wolf Bronco's at Commanders ODB
will be happy to hear DP that you're laying the
five and a half with bon Nix and them boys.

Speaker 2 (35:16):
I don't have much here. You make me click aside
the bottom half of my card, I mean, flip a coin.
As far as I'm concerned, I just I mean, I
don't know what am I supposed to discuc from this
Commander's team. They look like crap every single week. The
Broncos are a legitimate team, very very good. Yeah, Boenix
has his issues, But I don't know what I've like

(35:37):
basically forgotten about this Commander's team, Like I don't even
feel like they exist in the NFL half the time,
and then I have to like dig in to like
figure out what they're gonna do.

Speaker 1 (35:46):
Well, last time they played was two weeks ago and
it was in Spain, so very easy to forget about
the Washington formerly racial slurs, former league football team now commis.
I'm the highest on the commis and it is quite
low and it is just a total of forty three
and a half road team that has a shitty offense

(36:08):
laying well north of a field goal. That's the cap
for me. Like you, I had to pick a side,
no confidence whatsoever. But the X went next to Washington.
All right, Brett, let's let's get spicy here, because you
have a lone wolf that you are very confident in
and they're getting six points traveling to Miami to take

(36:31):
on So take it away. Why you like Hyler Schuck
and them boys?

Speaker 5 (36:42):
Yeah, I mean last week's loss to Atlanta looked ugly
on paper, but I think the box score tells a
bit of a different story. New Orleans had four four
separate drives inside the Atlanta thirty. They had two drives
inside the ten that came away with just three points.
On those possessions, they missed two field goals. First drive,
they fumble on their own thirty five, which really set
the tone for that game. They left a lot of

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points on the field. And yeah, it's Tyler Schuck leading
a poor offense, but that type of performance in high
leverage is also how you turn a coin flip game
into what looks like a blowout, which is what the
game ended up being. Defensively, I thought the Saints were fine,
Like they bottled up the Falcons run game pretty well.
They got burned in a couple of swing passes to

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Bijon and a really good throw to Mooney on a
deep ball. Otherwise, I thought they held up pretty well.
And now, and this is where this is where it
really get into it is they get a Miami team
that suddenly everybody loves again after getting some wins, but
they should have lost to Washington. If Matt Gate hits
a field goal, that game doesn't go in their favor.

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I think the market is overrating this Dolphins team after
especially after the bye, Like the look ahead was four
and a half circus giving a six. The rest advantage
is off in a MIRA, especially for bad teams, and
I think Miami is still a bad team. So this
line looks inflated. And there's a chance people are looking
at Miami off the buy in the contest too, so

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this could also be a leverage position against a team
that hasn't lost in a while. But I'm still not
all that impressed by So Yeah, I love New Orleans
getting the six.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
You say the Saints had bad luck last week, they
were also negative one point seven net yards for play
at home against Kirk Cousins, which is not good. Mose
making faces because he has the greatest football team in
his top five.

Speaker 3 (38:39):
I didn't know this was in my top five. I'm
gonna do a Brett here, but I knew it was close. Yeah,
it's just it's what you said, Rich.

Speaker 1 (38:47):
It wasn't. It bubbled? It bubbled again?

Speaker 3 (38:49):
Sorry, Okay, see there we go this this New Orleans defense.
Have you guys watched Kirk Cousins' takee this year and
they let him march up and down the field. That
was disgusting, dude. I mean you can't just ah, they
got burned by Moon Darnell Mooney. That guy's been a

(39:10):
bum this year and he shredded them. That's pathetic, dude.
I mean, come on, Chuck is awful, Okay, so I
don't know how he's gonna take advantage of this god
awful Miami secondary. I mean, I like that he's targeting
Chris a lot for my fantasy teams, but then they
also lose Alvin Kamara. I mean something Neil maybe looked

(39:34):
like he was okay la last week, but I think
Kamara is still a helpful player. So I just I
think this should be seven. Man. I mean, Kirk Cousins
is done, dude, and he scored twenty four without that
much trouble against this team. That is concerning to me. Okay,

(39:57):
So yeah, I do think Miami is going to move
the ball. So I just I think this line's at
least close to fair. I cannot believe anybody's just in
love with the Saints here, but you have your fun.

Speaker 1 (40:10):
The Mooney touchdown, the offensive line lifted up Kirk Cousins
like the head one super Bowl now and Brett, you've
got the most important side of your cap with no
Alvin Kamara leverage.

Speaker 5 (40:24):
No oh yeah, Devin Neil, but better running back if
he plays.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I gotta got.

Speaker 1 (40:31):
You strike too, buddy.

Speaker 3 (40:34):
Taste some hill, You're exactly it taste some week? Oh
God that has he got in a yard this year?

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Doesn't taste? Doesn't tash get like sixteen carries in this game?

Speaker 3 (40:48):
God?

Speaker 5 (40:48):
I hope not. No, this has to be Devin Neil week.
That's that's my new swoon is Devin. But he might
not even play. Now, I got I got a message
saying that he was questionable going into the game. So
I don't know, but please, just can we get rid
of the Taysom thing was fun three four years ago,
but this you can't. You can't with this guy anymore.

Speaker 1 (41:06):
DP pylone, You've got the Dolphins in your top five.

Speaker 2 (41:10):
I mean, I'm one of those guys that believes that
they're not top five. By the way, what do you like,
what are you looking at?

Speaker 1 (41:18):
They bubbled, they bubbled. I'm looking at the rank and
it says eleven, and every week that doesn't have sixteen games,
eleven will be talking.

Speaker 2 (41:27):
I'm like, there's no way the Dolphins are in my
top five. I know for sure because I know the
last pick of my top five.

Speaker 1 (41:33):
Moving on Texans at Colts, Horses and Bulls. Make that sound, Brett,
you're the only person, albeit low, laying the four and
a half with Indie.

Speaker 5 (41:45):
Well, yeah, Houston's defense has been excellent, but I think
those numbers are reduced by favorable home splits. They're just
much less dominant on the road that I think that
shows up this week. What we don't know is who's
playing quarterback for Houston. If CJ. Stroud does play. Quarterbacks
coming off concussions are if he I don't feel great

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about that, and this cold secondary is getting back to
full strength. So I like Indy to get back on track,
fast track home crowd against an overvalued Texans team that
will probably have a less than one percent CJ. Stroud,
I think Indy can control this game and win by

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you know, a touchdown or more. I think that's I
think that I think Indy gets back on track this week.

Speaker 1 (42:35):
See I'm way more bullish on the CJ. Stroud thing
because I think Thursday Inn in football through a wrench
in his return because it was early. So I actually
think that this gave him an extra ten days of
distance on the concussion, and I think he'll come back
a little better than normal because you are correct. The

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data shows that the first came back from a concussion. Players,
especially quarterbacks, tend to struggle, but I think having that
little bit of cushion will will be helpful. And I'm
just liking what I'm seeing from this Texans offense. With
Jayden and Higgins coming online and Nico Collins being the
most healthy he's been this season, I think that they're
going to be able to get out and score some points,

(43:20):
and I don't know, I just feel like there might
be just like this deep seating Daniel Jones rot in
Indy right now, where they're just kind of all looking
around and it's starting to crumble right like the foundation,
Like there's little cracks these last couple weeks where things
aren't perfect, things aren't looking as dynamic as they were

(43:43):
the first couple weeks with Dimes' performances specifically, they have
been on the road to be fair, but I just
feel like this is the type of spot where like,
if it's tight early and Andy doesn't get some first
downs and get some really them into their offense, I
think there just could just be some real looking around

(44:06):
and worry and steep decline for the Colts, because at
the end of the day, we know what Dimes is.
He's not a good quarterback, he's not a good player,
he's not a good decision made, and when things get
tight for these guys against tough competition, it just it
could look really, really, really ugly. So I'm counting on that.
I think this should be closer to I think this

(44:27):
should be a flat field goal with shroud, So I
got to take this extra point and a half with
the Texans DP you also have Houston in your town.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Fine, yeah, I mean, I'll just drive home the fact
that this is Jones against this defense and some of
that pressure stuff that you were talking about, Like I
think somebody like a Daniel Jones, you know, kind of
like we see with Sam Darnold, when that pressure grows,
they tend to just crumble. And I think the Colts

(44:58):
overall might be starting to feel it, you know, And and
they're looking at their quarterback. You know that that's supposed
to be the guy that's the captain, that that writes
the ship, that keeps everything on course. And I can't
look at Daniel Jones confidently and believe he's that guy.
So you know, they they got to worry about the
whole one seed thing, like they got to not like

(45:21):
a coast of a schedule for the rest of the
season that things could kind of crumble, especially if Daniel
Jones ends up kind of coming back to Earth, like
I think we think he's gonna go going to So
there's all that aspect. Now, I do want to introduce
one thing is that does this line change at all,
like if Stroud fully gets announced in because because right

(45:42):
now I believe he's gonna play. I think he's gonna play.
He was a full participant today, But I still think
there's probably some sort of what you don't think he's
gonna play?

Speaker 3 (45:49):
No, I don't think he he logged a full practice.
I just can't imagine anything else happening at this point.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
Yeah, I mean that would be. My only concern is
that if this moves, you know, if it goes to four,
you know, God forbid it goes to three and a half,
and then everyone's just going to be on the Texas
right that I would want to get off it. Going
back to what I said earlier about not being on
super popular side. So I think there's that concern. Call
it a low sequence or small sea concern, but you know,
I think it's worth considering.

Speaker 1 (46:20):
All right, split games three and then we get to
reveal the cards. Sixteen games lates are brutal. We start
with MO. You and I are together on this. I
cannot believe. I cannot believe someone can have an opinion
on the other side. It's Vikings at sea Os they

(46:42):
put a number shorter than fourteen next to Seattle Mo
like some fourteen seventeen Yeah, like I somebody needs to
explain this to all. All Seattle has done at home
against bad opponents is blank them twenty eight? Is app
that half time? Why would it be any different from Minnesota?

Speaker 3 (47:05):
This is you, guys. Remember a few years ago Texans Jags,
we laid minus four with Houston against Jake Luton. He
came out, he threw for three hundred yards, and he
was never ever seen from again after he covered against
US that week. This is Jake Luton again, except instead

(47:27):
of the opponent being two win Houston, the opponent is
Remember that time we took fifteen and a half with
Jimmy Clawson against I think it was the Seahawks.

Speaker 1 (47:38):
They won by.

Speaker 3 (47:42):
This is Jimmy Clawson. Guys. This isn't that rule of
backup quarterbacks. They have an undrafted free agent rookie who
probably barely beat the Huskers.

Speaker 1 (47:58):
Who started his colleague career at New Hampshire. Somebody help.

Speaker 3 (48:03):
He's playing on the road against the best defense in
the NFL. The Vikings aren't gonna score double digits. Man.
If they get to fourteen points, they might have a
chance to cover, but they won't, and even if they do,
they still might not cover because the Seahawks might just
score thirty plus. The Seahawks might only need twenty points

(48:27):
to cover this number. They might only need seventeen points
to cover this number. Okay, because I don't know how
Minnesota is gonna score a point on this defense with
an undrafted free agent rookie. I know koc has got
the pastronaut to score twenty points or whatever. This is different, dude.

(48:48):
This is a guy who has no business being anything
outside of a practice squad, and he's playing on the road.
If the Seahawks don't win this game by thirty, then
I'll I'll just pay for it.

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I guess this guy through twelve interceptions in a season
at New Hampshire, He's gonna good to see.

Speaker 5 (49:09):
You didn't have Justin Jefferson and Jordan Addison.

Speaker 3 (49:12):
How's that working out for JJ McCarthy, who was the
first round draft pick.

Speaker 1 (49:18):
Come on, Brett, rule it backup. Coutell Us, tell us,
rule it backup, quarterback. This is wrong something Brosmer tell us.

Speaker 5 (49:25):
Well, yeah, I mean that that's really what it is.
I mean, nobody's clicking Vikings in this contest.

Speaker 3 (49:31):
That's really They're not gonna click the Seahawks either, are.

Speaker 5 (49:34):
They well not if this holds at eleven and a half,
I think just people just stay away from this game
because people don't like clicking these big numbers anyway. But
why why is this holding it eleven and a half?
Then why isn't this fourteen? Tell me?

Speaker 1 (49:44):
Because idiots with computers can't regress for something Brosmer playing quarterback.
That's why there's no input. I was listening to the
guys on on the Deep Dive. They're their quarterback rating
for the Vikings was zero. So when you do that

(50:06):
and something Brosmer comes in, you can't go lower than zero.
The computer breaks. That is why it's stuck at eleven.
Bo's right, this should be seventeen.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
Come on, dude, Like how I put sixteen and a
half next to my number? So I think you have
to factor.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
Coaching into this a little bit. I mean, this is
one of the best coaching staffs in the NFL, and
they do have guys. They yeah, the quarterback is a problem,
but they do have guys.

Speaker 3 (50:37):
I don't know.

Speaker 5 (50:37):
I don't know how you can get the fourteen plus
here because this is remember.

Speaker 1 (50:42):
When the twenty eight and yeah, one of the Vikings
can do.

Speaker 3 (50:48):
This is not much different than when Kendall Hinton played quarterback.
All right, what happened in that game.

Speaker 5 (50:56):
I can't wait for Brosmer to just shred this week.

Speaker 3 (51:00):
If he does, then I'll just lose my money and
I'm fine with that. I am fine with that.

Speaker 1 (51:06):
The other split game Raiders at Chargers. Donnie has the
highest opinion on this game, taking the nine and a
half points with his hometown Vegas Raiders.

Speaker 2 (51:19):
I think this game made it into every slot on
my card at some point while my moving things around,
and ultimately I said, you know what, after that bullshit
performance last week with the Browns are against the Browns,
Max Crosby's just gonna wreck this offensive line. Have probably
eight sacks and somehow the Raiders are going to cover,

(51:39):
because that's what happens in the NFL. Pick the team
that looked the worst last week. I mean, no one
could have looked worse. I Max Crosby wanted to fight
his own teammates on the sideline. It was the whole thing. Like,
I mean, That's where I'm at with this one. I
don't really have much other than like this just feels
like the side that you click in this spot.

Speaker 1 (51:59):
So so this is showing ten in real life. But
I feel like this is one of the spots where
because the last time we saw the Chargers play football
they lost by thirty, I don't think the line value
will influence people as much, and because it's a large
number laying nine and a half. But before they got
their doors blown off in Jacksonville, they beat the Steelers

(52:23):
by two touchdowns. They beat the Titans by a touchdown.
They beat the Vikings by twenty seven points. This is
a well coached team with maybe Omarion Hampton coming back
to add some explosiveness to the backfield. It's still justin Herbert.
I understand the tackle issues. It's not fun having these

(52:45):
offensive line woes against somebody like Max Crosby, but I
don't know. I just trust Harbaugh and those guys to
figure out something, whether it be a chip, whether it
be using a back to at least limit Max Crosby.
Raiders team is just absolutely wretched at everything. So this

(53:08):
feels like Carbar running straight and still finding a way
to cover in this game against a god awful Raiders.

Speaker 3 (53:17):
Are the Raiders the worst team in the NFL?

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Man?

Speaker 3 (53:20):
I think they are. I don't care what DVA says.
I think this is the worst team.

Speaker 1 (53:27):
It's so tough because the Titans have If the Titans
had one of their pass catchers, I think it might
be a fair fight, but the fact that they have
none of them.

Speaker 5 (53:40):
But yeah, I'm bad for Cam Wargen.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
Making it all about the Jets again, my.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Man.

Speaker 1 (53:50):
I wish that there's a world where the Titans get
the first pick and they're willing to move Cam and
the Jets could slide in and and and get camp.
What are these faces?

Speaker 5 (54:04):
This draft class isn't isn't good enough? They're not They're
not moving.

Speaker 3 (54:07):
Why would anyone do that? So confused?

Speaker 1 (54:10):
What if Mendos or Simpson go out and win the
National Championship? Like, what if they just go on a
CFP run, beat all these good teams and win the Natty?
You don't think that if.

Speaker 3 (54:23):
Cam Ward keeps playing better than Geno Smith, so the
Raiders can't win another football game?

Speaker 1 (54:28):
Yeah, yeah, this is true, all right? Rams at Panthers
last split game. I have the highest opinion with the
Rams bubbling my top five. I've seen this before. I've
seen the Rams travel east and kick the crap out
of a bad team in the Tantnessee Titans. Hitlers are
a bad team, and now they're an injured team. And

(54:50):
now they're a suspended team because old boy went out
and punched Juwan Jennings in the nuts. So short week,
injured team, key defensive players suspended. I just think the
Rams go out and handle business here. And this is
Bryce Young against pressure against the Rams defense that has

(55:12):
played well all season. I have no reason to believe
the Panthers will be competitive in this game. They got
so many bounces, so many turnovers against the Niners, and
they still lost by March because they can't get out
of their own way. Brett, you have the highest opinion.
Panthers at home, just like the Browns at home. It's

(55:34):
Panthers at home.

Speaker 5 (55:35):
So that's I have two words next to this game.
It just says home game. That's it. That's that's the cap.

Speaker 1 (55:43):
Look.

Speaker 5 (55:43):
I love the Rams. I think this is the best
team in the NFL, but this is also a game.
I think they just want to get out of healthy
and just go back home because they've got the Lions
coming up, they got the Seahawks coming up. Like I
just they just want to get out of this one healthy.

Speaker 1 (55:59):
All right, time, fellas, let's make thirteen.

Speaker 6 (56:04):
Cards nine eight seven, five for three due one fire.

Speaker 1 (56:21):
Those of you watching on YouTube, we'll see Brett Rake
up face before that. All right, things are weird. Okay.
So it's Wednesday, nine thirty Eastern, six thirty Pacific, and
we have some issues. Okay, because as it stands, because

(56:44):
Donnie's top pick was sniped by the collective and Donnie's
second pick the other side. Oh no, did I screw
this up? I did screw this up. No, Donnie's okay.

Speaker 3 (56:57):
Done well. To be fair, I already screwed this up.
So yeah, but if anything you did that's wrong, you
can just say it was my fault because I already
admitted I screwed this up.

Speaker 1 (57:05):
No, it wasn't consequential. You're a mistake. We were able
to Omaha alert alert on the fly. Everything was good there, Donnie,
I screwed up your number. Wow, your number two pick
is your pick. So so I let's just go through
it and then we'll discuss mow. You're up first four

(57:27):
to one last week. You have a team that should
be favored by seventy.

Speaker 5 (57:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:32):
I'm not even gonna say the team's name, because that's
not who we have. We have the other side of
Max Brosmer. Okay, guys, that's who we have. Is that
even his name?

Speaker 5 (57:44):
I thought his name is Mike.

Speaker 3 (57:46):
No, it is all right, that's that's Max. Now, I
know we need this side on the car. Brett, who
has backup quarterbacks deep in his heart, doesn't even know
a backup, saying we have to fade this.

Speaker 1 (58:02):
Guy something UNH through twelve interceptions as the quarterback of
UNH now playing professional football. I am up next. I
have a dog. I have the Houston Texans plus the
four and a half traveling to Indy to take on
the fraudulent Daniel Jones and the Colts. Now it's gonna

(58:27):
get weird because both Brett and Donnie have lone wolves.
Starting with Brett.

Speaker 5 (58:35):
I've got the Saints at the top of my card.
I will say it was very close between the Saints
and the Browns, so I am definitely willing to swap it.
If you guys hate the Saints, which I'm pretty sure
you do.

Speaker 1 (58:52):
All Right, we'll get to discussing in a second. DP
is up next. He also has a lone wolf, which
makes it very interesting. If Brett wants so up because
Donnie has.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
The forty nine ers, what's.

Speaker 1 (59:07):
Happened the drunk cast is the drunk as is full
tilt right now? All right, let's I'll restore some sanity.
I'll restore some sanity with the collective pick. We'll go
through the consensus picks that didn't make the card, and
then we can circle back and figure out what the

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hell we're going to do. I don't have the full
sound here, so I'm gonna.

Speaker 3 (59:30):
Interject, Wait, what about your pick?

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I already said I have the Texans? Did you say? Okay? Okay?

Speaker 5 (59:35):
Sorry?

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Sorry?

Speaker 2 (59:37):
The collective chooses.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
The most idiotic line of the week, the Chicago Bears
plus seven in Filmladelphia. Everybody knows I hate Jalen Hurts.
I don't hate him. I just think he's criminally overrated.
People think I'm a Philly hater. Is this wrong team favored?

Speaker 3 (01:00:17):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:00:19):
Can somebody explain to me a seven point gap between
these two teams? Brett?

Speaker 3 (01:00:23):
I get it because the Bears sucked.

Speaker 1 (01:00:25):
Luckiest team Bears suck. Aaron Schatz was on a tirade
today luckiest eight and three team in NFL history by
Dvoa blah blah blah blah blah. You know who else
sucks the Philadelphia Eagles, all right, and you know who
especially sucks the Eagles without Lane Johnson. Okay, they can't

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do their run the ball, push push crap for sixty minutes,
now that they don't have the best offensive line east
of the Mississippi, now that they have to actually complete
forward passes. So in what universe can they be seven
point favorites against the Bears? Mo help?

Speaker 3 (01:01:09):
Okay, let me help you. Let me help you with
the very simplest shorthand handicapping I introduced years ago. Better coach,
better quarterback, and they're getting seven. Get out of here, dude,
I mean, what is going on here? How can this

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line be north of like five?

Speaker 1 (01:01:32):
Yeah? Why isn't this four and a half? Brett, You're
you're the lowest on the Bears. You had to you
even you the number one Bears.

Speaker 3 (01:01:40):
Caleb Williams one hates Caleb Williams, absolutely hates him.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
The thing is, I had to understand that this line
is beyond idiot. I've said it.

Speaker 5 (01:01:51):
I've said that Caleb has all the tools he does,
he does a lot of stupid shit, though, I just
think the Bears are a joke, especially on defense. So
I could actually see Jalen Hurts having some success here.

Speaker 1 (01:02:05):
That's having a bada doesn't matter. You know, we're having
a bad defense, doesn't matter, as it was exhibited last
week for by the Dallas Cowboys when the Eagles play
against them, because they can't get first.

Speaker 3 (01:02:15):
Outs, they can't run the ball, and they can't they
they they can't run the ball because their old line
isn't elite anymore. And then Jalen Hurts is bad. The
only thing he can do is throw deep and this
Bears team is a disaster in the middle with their linebackers.

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All Jalen Hurts wants to do is throw go balls.

Speaker 1 (01:02:39):
Slim hasn't practiced yet. Right, there's a chance that DeVonta
Smith doesn't even play. My biggest issue with this game
is I think the Bears are gonna be popular because
everyone's seeing what we're seeing.

Speaker 3 (01:02:50):
Well, if DeVante doesn't play, that the line's gonna move.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
But being that we are the top and we're not
chasing as much, they're gonna give us. I mean, this
is an insane life. They're gonna give us this amount
of valuable line value. We have to take it, Donny Pylon,
this disgusting Eagles.

Speaker 2 (01:03:14):
I agree with everything you guys are saying. My concern
is the Bears. Like they're the Bears, honestly, Like it
could all just come home this week. It really could.
I think we can all agree that that as much
as you know. I listen, I'm the fucking big Eagles
guy on this podcast. You guys all hate them, but

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I mean that the Bears just might look like crap now.
I do just I want to have a lot of
confidence going back to what Mo said in the coach
Ben Johnson here, like even if you're worried about this
Eagles defense going up against Caleb and this offense whatever,
I don't know. Ben Johnson's been kind of cooking. He's
been doing his thing. So like seven is a lot

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of fucking point. Like I saw Evan and I was like,
hold on, this has to be wrong, right, Like is
somebody not playing quarterback? Like what's going on here? I
don't really.

Speaker 1 (01:04:06):
Understand something in predicts. The market ratings have the Eagles
as the fourth best team of freshman. I mean, it's
just wrong. It's just it's not correct. It cannot be
better than the Packers, I mean better than the Seahawks.
Can you imagine Hawks Eagles on neutral and the Eagles

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are favored.

Speaker 3 (01:04:30):
I just feel like, even though like there's some things
they do really well, obviously the defense is still playing great,
but like, why not. For example, I haven't seen one
person get open against Quinny on Mitchell this year, so
good luck with that. But then it's just like this
Bears team has so many weapons that I don't think
it's like that big of a deal against them that
they can go to Colston Lovelin, they can go to

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Cole comed if they want. You know, they have like
multiple receivers who can move the ball. I just don't
think that's gonna matter as much. And when they do
an he had him move Cooper Dejeen outside, he got
his ass kicked. I think Cooper dejen is Trent McDuffie
light where he's like he's elite in the slot, but

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you don't really want him to be playing outside. I mean,
McDuffie can do it better than Degene can, I think,
but and he's amazing in run support, like the same
way McDuffie is, but but just I don't think his
coverage skills are there, and the Bears have so many weapons. Man,
I know Caleb is an idiot, but he can still
make plays. Dude, I don't get this line at all.

Speaker 1 (01:05:35):
All right, let's get to three other consensus picks that
did not make the card, but two of them three
of them made top fives, two of them in Brett's
top five. We'll start with this one. Why Why do
I have to be the only guy who stands on
business when it comes to Jameis Winston? How can the Patriots,

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who just lost the entirety of the left side of
their offensive line, still be seven and a half point
favorites in this spot against the Giants. I know that
it is a complete variance fest whenever Jamis is at quarterback,
but I think we've been on the same page here
as a podcast that the Patriots are a good, not

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great football team that has been feasting on a bad schedule,
and now they don't have their entire lib side of
their offensive line against a really good Giants unit who
I was crapping on for several weeks. No longer in
the red in these adjusted sach rate and pressure rates,

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They're getting into the yellow orange. All right, they're making improvements,
they're not in the red. Why can't these guys put
pressure on Drake? May limit the Patriots offense. Something we
know Vaybel is just gonna cram it with verm Andre
in several spots and not do the most efficient thing,
and Jamis just makes a couple of plays and gets it,

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gets this over the line.

Speaker 3 (01:07:06):
Is hard to make plays from the bench. Yeah, it's
hard to make plays from the bench.

Speaker 1 (01:07:11):
Is it dark confirmed? Why would they go to dart?

Speaker 5 (01:07:14):
I mean, it looks like it's gonna be dark.

Speaker 3 (01:07:17):
Last week. I was wrong. This week, I think I'm right.

Speaker 5 (01:07:21):
Darts an upgrade.

Speaker 1 (01:07:22):
Anyway, I was gonna say, in theory, dark darts better
for plus seven and a half because it's less variance,
we're gonna get more of a median outcome, and a
median outcome is probably good in the scenario when you're
catching seven and a half in a game that probably
should go south of the total. But what you know
is what's the problem here?

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
Well, I guess the problem is everything. Every number is
read on the Giants, So I don't know, you know,
I just I don't trust this team to get stops.
That being said, uh, yeah, I understand that the Patriots
might have issues because of their line and not being
able to run the ball. There's a lot of just

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like variants around this Patriots offense. When they rely on
a lot of deep throws and they can't run the ball,
I think that just invites a lot of variants into
your life. But you know, it's still a pretty good
team at home against a pretty bad team, and the
number is barely past seven, so I think that's right.

(01:08:20):
So ultimately, I thought this was like a fair line.

Speaker 1 (01:08:24):
Something Jared Wilson at left guard, something Vedaring and low
I left tackle. I don't know who these humans are.

Speaker 3 (01:08:38):
That's not the guy you want. I think he started
for a lot of them last year and things didn't
go well as you could can remember.

Speaker 1 (01:08:45):
I'm going to after this show. I will be on
Giants under Parlay. That will be going into my account
after the show.

Speaker 5 (01:08:53):
By the way, can I just say I'm absolutely sick
for my Giants' future spots this year They've been They've
led in the fourth going into the fourth quarter five
different time. Everything, What the hell, man.

Speaker 3 (01:09:09):
You gotta stop. Okay, let this one go, brother, This
isn't the one to be mad about.

Speaker 1 (01:09:16):
Let's keep it in the Big Apple. We're all on
Jets plus two and a half at home against the
Atlanta Falcons, nobody higher than Brett Brett. We're fading Kirk
Cousins off of a road win in twenty twenty five.

Speaker 5 (01:09:34):
I think, I think this is probably gonna end up
being my play.

Speaker 3 (01:09:39):
Yeah, you can't.

Speaker 5 (01:09:40):
You can't lay points with this Falcons team as a favorite,
especially can't do it on the road, and you especially
especially can't do it when Drake London's not playing again.
This is yet another road game for the Falcons, but
this is a very different one than last week. It's
gonna be cold, there's a chance of rain. I don't
even really care. I'm not even I can get the
Jets here. This is a full fade of a warm

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weather team that usually plays in a dome, and now
they go into these shitty conditions off a win which
they didn't look good offensively. And I think with this
sitting south of three, I think the Falcons are probably
gonna be the chalkier side in the contest too. So yeah,
give me the Jets. This checks way too many boxes
for me, not for it to be in Mike Hark,

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So I really like the Jets in this spot.

Speaker 1 (01:10:25):
The Jets events remains the success rate kings fifth against
the rush, tenth against the pass, high leverage. They just
forget what they're supposed to do. I guess their assignments
and they just give up chunk plays on touchdowns. But
on a down to down basis they're playing well. Maybe
this is a good spot against a Falcons offense that

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should not be as explosive as some of the offenses
that they've faced, where being good on a down to
down basis is actually going to matter as opposed to
being on the road at Baltimore, being on the road
at New England, being at home against a crowd offense
with a crappy quarterback. And like I said, the Jets
are blowing the tank. We blow the tank every single year.
So this is a perfect spot for the Jets to

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point the gun into their pants and blow their dick.
This Smith Jaggs at Titan speaking of cam Ward. Nobody, nobody,
This is the NFL's right under the rug. Nobody wants
to talk about this, but you look close, guys. Fannessey

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Titans have covered three straight games and Bret Coulson thinks
they're going to cover Aport, but we all do acts.

Speaker 5 (01:11:36):
Yeah, they keep fighting every week. Tennessee reminds me a
lot of the Giants that we were just talking about.
They keep coming up short in the win column, but
they cash tickets. They're in games late, they play physical,
they don't quit. Like you said, they've covered three straight
and they've done it against elite competition. Like the back

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door last week was. I don't know how much we
can take from that, but the thing is cam Ward
has that in him every week where they can just
get a backdoor cover against teams that just give up,
and that guy continues to improve every week. Now he
finally gets a breather after facing some brutal, like just
a brutal stretch of defenses. Houston Seattle. The Jags defense

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twenty fifth against the pass in success rate, so this
is easily the softest matchup the Ward has seen in
at least a month. So even though their offensive line
is beat up a little bit, Jacksonville's defense isn't really
healthy either, Like Trayvon Walker could miss and without him, like,
is this unit gonna be able to generate any pressure?

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So this is a scrappy Titan squad catching nearly a
touchdown at home against Trevor Lawrence who just turned the
ball over four times. I think this is a great
spot for Tennessee.

Speaker 1 (01:12:54):
Okay, so that is the massive sixteen games. The one
positive we have right now for our current card is
that there are no Thanksgiving games, which means we can
wait until Friday three pm Eastern to submit, get an
injury report on Thursday, and then whatever the early morning

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leagues are on Friday, which is helpful. So there will
be tinkering. But with the consensus pick being the Bears,
I do think we will be submitting that on Friday.
So with everything being said, Brett DP Brett, you mentioned
there Jets might be a possibility the three.

Speaker 5 (01:13:39):
If it's a consensus play, then yeah, I would rather
play the Jets for you guys than play the Saints.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
You could also do Browns Packers, Jets. You have the
right to take the Browns because you are first this week,
which would then send Donnie into a tailspin because Donnie's
third pick is the Cowboys, and I think we're all
in agreements that we don't want to take a Thanksgiving game.
I think that puts us at a disadvantage. So then

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Donnie's fourth pick is the collective pick, and we're starting
to tumble tumble down the rabbit hole.

Speaker 5 (01:14:14):
And what did Donnie say before the pod?

Speaker 1 (01:14:16):
Yes, I think he doesn't the biggest.

Speaker 2 (01:14:18):
Question, I might put the Giants on.

Speaker 1 (01:14:22):
The Giants. You have the Titans hires right, well, you
have the Titans higher when I go Titans, yeah, I.

Speaker 2 (01:14:30):
Mean listen, because after I listened to some of your arguments,
my thought process changes here.

Speaker 1 (01:14:37):
I honestly think the Giants is a pretty good play,
especially I think the Dart thing. The more I think
about darping in instead of Jamis, again, we should see
more median outcomes than these crazy left tail right tail
outcomes that happen with Jamis there, which I think would

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favor the dog in the spot where I think there's
going to be less scoring. And I'm really interested to
see what this Patriots offense looks like with with these
two guys on the left hand side. So all right,
at grind Gamble, there will be tinkering. You'll get something
on Friday, because we will be submitting this Friday three

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pm Eastern twelve pm Pacific. Before that time, probably around
Donnie's Donnie freaks out, so we'll probably get it in
there by like eleven thirty Pacific, because Donnie doesn't want
to miss anything. So be sure to check out at
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Speaker 3 (01:16:06):
Outs.