2025 Week 6: Back to Winning Ways

Fresh off of a 4-1 start to the second quarter of Circa Sports Million, The Collective look to keep things rolling — and are even willing to eat some chalk!

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:09):
And welcome back to.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
Great ire Camble, the only podcast that puts its money
where its mouth is. I'm your host, Rich Ryan, and
I'm joined by the entire collective, the Disciple, Brek Hulsen,
Donnie D. P. Peters, and the resident Moose himself mo Nowara.
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your Podcatter of Choice five stars only like a man.
I currently have real American dollars on Dexter Lawrence and
the New York Giants plus seven and a half. They're
currently leading the Philadelphia Eagles thirteen to ten. I've got

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that parlayed with wan Dale Robinson over thirty seven and
a half receiving yards and he got most of it
on one touchdown, so hoping we can clear that mark
and hold for the cover as well. The card was
four and one last week. I mirrored that at four
and one. The rest of the collective was three and
two in their personal top fives, and I ended up

(01:18):
going with the Colts in Survivor. But it didn't really
matter who I chose because I was going to fade
the Arizona Cardinals regardless and they, of course were the
Bloodbath Special along with unfortunately Moe's Los Angeles Rams. The
Circus Sports Million Survivor sneakily down to four thousand entries,

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so fingers crossed, we can continue on and we will
get to Survivor at the end of the program. As always,
split games where they are two hosts on one side
and two hosts on the other, and we start with
an AFC North tilt between the Pittsburgh Steelers and the
Cleveland Browns, and Brett has the strongest opinion on this game,

(02:04):
laying the five and a half points with Aaron Rodgers,
Mike Tomlin and the Voodoo coming off the buye.

Speaker 3 (02:12):
This is in all time travel and rest spot, and
I don't think it's being discussed enough, Like the Browns
are playing their third straight road game, coming off the
trip to London without a bye and now have to
face a rested Steelers team off their bye. Has this
ever happened before where a team is returning from overseas
without a buye and then going on the road against

(02:33):
a team off a bye. It's just an absurd disadvantage
for Cleveland this week with a rookie quarterback, and I
don't think the market has priced it in enough here.
And on top of that, this Cleveland offense is just
it's so capped. Dylan Gabriel didn't throw a pass over
twenty yards last week, like zero passes Downfield's terribly, he

(02:57):
is terrible. This is not a team that in the receiver.
The receivers like Jerry Judy is just not a good
football player. He hasn't been able to separate. He can't
catch a football. What are they gonna do against his?
Pittsburgh defense like they play man coverage at a top
five rate in the league. Like this is just a

(03:19):
huge schematic mismatch too for the Browns. I just I
think this is an awful spot for Cleveland. My concern
here and why I told you guys before, well, well
we'll get into that. I love Pittsburgh in the spot.
I'll just leave it there.

Speaker 2 (03:34):
DP, you are on the other side with Dylan Gabriel,
the Cleveland Browns, Kevin Stefanski in your top five.

Speaker 4 (03:43):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I agree with Brett that. I
mean it should be illegal what the NFL is doing
here to the Cleveland Browns. I mean they should somehow
file a lawsuit, try and get some of that Deshaun
Watson money back or something.

Speaker 2 (03:53):
Because this is just absolutely ridiculous.

Speaker 4 (03:56):
That said, I can't lay five and a half with
this Steelers team. I think this Browns defense is just
too good, you know. I think the combination of the
Browns defense, like going against an offense that I just
don't think is really that equipped to like go kind
of nuts here in order to you know, be six
points better than the other team. With the fact that

(04:16):
I think the Browns are going to just look to
play this game running the football, slow down the pace,
constrict everything, and I just think it's very very hard
in that aspect to cover five and a half. Also, listen,
I'll give you everything you said, Brett about the spot,
the travel, all that sort of stuff. And then I
just can't get past the fact that these games in

(04:38):
this division are just always close somehow, some way, like
even if we want to lay big numbers whatever, they
always just somehow are like one possession games. I don't
know really how, I can't explain it, you know whatever.
So I'm off of the Tomlin voodoo. I am on
the Browns. Just run the damn ball, don't throw the
ball one single time for all I care and let
the defense do his thing and you know, just trying

(05:00):
cover five and a half and get us out of here.

Speaker 2 (05:02):
There's one instance of this happening per I ran on
GPT and grock Grok got it wrong at first. Then
I kept querying and it got it right. And in
twenty twenty one, Week seven, the Dolphins returned from London
to play the Falcons off of the bye, and the

(05:23):
Falcons did win, but it was by margin. It was
thirty to twenty eight. But twenty one was that when
McDaniel was just getting going and that Dolphins team was
a wagon. That sounds accurate. I too, am on the Browns,

(05:44):
but just slightly. I came into this exercise wanting to
love the Steelers for many reasons, one of them being
that rest advantage. And then just Dylan, I mean Dylan Gabriel,
Welcome to pro football. Go to London and play against
Brian Floor and then fly back to the United States.
Don't get a bye, and play against the Pittsburgh Steelers defense,

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which is the healthiest it's been all season. Welcome to
pro football. It's just a terrible spot. But with a
total of thirty eight and an uninspiring offense. I just
couldn't get there, but man for for survivor purposes, we
will definitely be revisiting this contest. We moved to the
other split contest, Niners at Bucks and Mo you were

(06:29):
right once again. It just doesn't matter the scenario, the location,
nothing matters. If Baker Mayfield, a top five quarterback in
this league, is throwing footballs because hashtag, when it matters,
this guy is just going to get it done.

Speaker 5 (06:46):
Yeah, this line's telling me that these teams are pretty close,
but I think that's not the case because the Bucks
are good and the Niners stink. But you know, everyone
got to see the nine win a fake football game
last week, so we're thinking that this is a reasonable line,
but it's not. The Bucks should definitely be more than

(07:08):
a field goal favorite. So uh yeah, that's that's why
I picked the Bucks here.

Speaker 2 (07:13):
Niners are definitely getting crowned this week. Shanahan genius short
week made it work. Mac people were like, it doesn't matter.
I've heard this several places. It doesn't matter if Rock
Party plays because Mac Jones could just go in there
and do the damn thing. And I mean he was
good last week. But how repeatable is that performance by macvie.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
Well depends on if the other team's stupid enough not
to put their entire defense within five yards of the
line of scrimmage.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
But that's pretty no.

Speaker 6 (07:41):
At least one team is.

Speaker 2 (07:42):
Yeah, do we think Todd Bowles is not going to
be aggressive when it comes to defending a bad quarterback?
That's like the Todd Bowle Special. The unfortunate thing for
Tampa Bay is do they have the horses this year?
They've been a little poor against the pass. But I
have one fella here who has always been Shanny Pills
and he's back on the wagon this week with the

(08:04):
Niners in his top five. That's bertman Natti.

Speaker 3 (08:07):
Yeah, this is Shanny as an underdog. I they did
get extremely lucky last week, but they they did beat
I mean the Rams lost last week. I moved them
up to number one of my power rankings. I think
the Rams are the best team in football and the
fortys beat them.

Speaker 2 (08:24):
Not We're not.

Speaker 5 (08:25):
I'm not doing this if we're just gonna pretend like
they beat them and like that was like a real result. Literally,
the Niners would have lost that game ninety five out
of one hundred times, but the Rams happened to fumble
on the one, happened to drop six easy passes, happened
to commit DPI on a happened to miss two kicks.

(08:45):
I mean, yeah, the Rams could have also the Rams
credit guys. I mean the nine they did great.

Speaker 3 (08:52):
The Rams could have won by fifty two, but they didn't.
I mean, they were in that game. I'm just saying,
like Shannahan did a good last week given what they had,
which was not a whole lot. What I'm seeing in
this game is Baker just can't. He can't keep doing
He can't. He can't keep getting away this, right.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
I mean, are we just gonna keep doing this every week?
Then he's just gonna keep having it?

Speaker 4 (09:16):
At some point it's predictive, Okay, at some point it's
just isn't.

Speaker 2 (09:23):
Isn't this just rule of baseball? If you exhibit a quality,
you have that quality, like he's that dude he is.

Speaker 3 (09:29):
But still no Mike Evans, no Godwin, no Bucky Irving.
I just I don't know how they continue to do
this week after week. And he's been phenomenal. He's probably
is the league MVP right now. But I just I can't.
I can't buy into it when it's just not sustainable.
So I mean that that's really where I'm at. It's
Shanny with the coaching advantage here getting points against the

(09:50):
team that I feel like is just way overperforming who
they really are.

Speaker 4 (09:54):
Okay, but how how can you say unsustainable when I
think many people could make the case of with the
forty nine are doing is unsustainable? With mac Jones out there,
a shell of its roster in a lot of spots
winning games that it really shouldn't be winning.

Speaker 3 (10:07):
I feel like that's a little more picked in though,
although I don't know, maybe the market's telling telling me
that it's not. It's only three points.

Speaker 2 (10:15):
I don't know this is gonna be a classic thirteen
hundred on each side, right Like, probably there's gonna be
people that are absolutely Baker pilled, and there are gonna
be people that see this coming off of a two
point look ahead going to three Shanahan extra rest, He's
a genius. I just feel like a third of the
contest is going to have an opinion on this game,

(10:36):
whether it be on San Francisco or on Tampa Bay.
Short split games a lot of contentstus this week. Spoiler
alert let's get to what I think will be a
spicy lone wolf segment. We start with Donnie, who has

(11:03):
a pair of lone wolves, one in his top five.
And I'm filibustering here a little bit because I want
to pull up Donnie's lone wolf record. He had been
on fire, cooled down a little bit last week at
one and two, but he's still eight and six on
the season when he is alone on in Island, and

(11:25):
this first game, he has a very strong opinion on
the LA Chargers laying four on the road against the
greatest football team, the greatest talk about Harbaugh, Herbert and
dem Boys.

Speaker 4 (11:41):
Well, Miami is far from the greatest football team. So
let's just start right there.

Speaker 2 (11:47):
Listen.

Speaker 4 (11:48):
I know the Chargers are dealing with some injuries on
the offensive line. I know they haven't looked good the
past couple of weeks. I mean, you want to talk
about a get right spot for the Chargers, I can't
really think of a better one. This is great for them.
If you want to give me the weakness of the
Chargers offensive line. Can Miami even get pressure? I don't
see how they haven't been able to get pressure against
anyone all seasons. So why should this change? I mean,

(12:10):
this Chargers the offense, I feel like it's just gonna
carve them up. Justin Herbert is gonna do whatever he
wants against this defense. And then how are we supposed
to expect the Miami offense to score any short of points?
I think you want to attack the Chargers by running
the ball, I think, but I don't exactly have confidence
in Miami doing that. I certainly have never had confidence

(12:30):
in Tua. I mean, so, yeah, I think this is
a perfect spot for it just to blowout win for
the Chargers.

Speaker 2 (12:36):
Dolphins are twenty first in pressure rate despite blitzing at
the fifth highest rate in the league. Donnie, you can't
just gloss over these injuries when both tackles who are
very meaningful.

Speaker 4 (12:47):
Yeah. I understand these injuries, but I'm telling you this
Miami team is not the team to attack weakness. They're
just not.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Brett's got the highest opinion on the Fish, So give
the counter argument, Manati.

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah, I mean, the Chargers are a team we have
concerns about coming into the year MO especially and now
with several key players on the shelf, this just appears
to be a middling team to me. This offense. They
remind me of the Texans now with nothing left on
the offensive line, really no playmakers in the backfield. With
Hampton and and Harrison now out, it's Herbert doing it
by himself. I just I can't back this team in

(13:22):
this much peril, by this many points on the road,
traveling across the country. Like as bad as Miami is,
I'm just not sure the Chargers cover often enough here,
and the public doesn't seem to see it that way
because the Chargers are the more popular side in some
of the pick contest data I'm seeing to this point.
Does that show up in circa I don't know, but

(13:45):
I do think LA will be the popular side in
this one.

Speaker 2 (13:48):
Mo Dolphins also in your top five put a pin
on this contest.

Speaker 5 (13:54):
Yeah, gonna be tough for Miami to get any stops,
but I think they can score some point. It's probably
enough to keep pace here. Four is too much for me.
I know that that's gonna be tough for me to
get a single stop after I watched what the Jets
did to them. But yeah, when you're down to a

(14:14):
third string running back, I mean it might matter a
little bit there. And yeah, I just I just think
they can keep this close enough to cover four.

Speaker 6 (14:21):
I was. I was actually really shocked when I saw
this number.

Speaker 2 (14:26):
People spilling over themselves to get to the wire or
reach into their pockets for fab money to throw a
Hassan Haskins and Kimani Ydell this week. Last year, I
might have been on the badal train. I was completely
Kimani pild Things and my guy JJ. But yeah, these
are just two somethings that are running behind it all
fensive line that is completely injured. Meanwhile, longest trip all

(14:49):
the way to Miami to play in the sun. You
know this is a dome team. An they're practicing here
in California. But it's not eighties and humid out here
in California. You know, it's it's seventies a nice So yeah,
I just think north of a field goal, this is
Dolphins or nothing. So I agree with the majority. Obviously, DP,

(15:10):
we tumble down your card and this is a very
fascinating game. You have the Detroit Lions minus two going
into Arrowhead to take on the Kansas City Chiefs.

Speaker 3 (15:27):
Shocker, shocker?

Speaker 4 (15:30):
Why is that a shocker?

Speaker 2 (15:32):
You love?

Speaker 4 (15:33):
You love the one you love, Dan Campbell, I listen,
I do love Dan Campbell. And you said Lions minus two,
and it's Lions plus two and say that I'm back
in a road favor here. I'm back in the underdog, okay.
And nobody performs better as an underdog than mister bite
your kneecaps Dan Candall. Okay, Like, let's just freaking go.

Speaker 2 (15:53):
Dan Campdall, Dan Candle.

Speaker 4 (15:55):
Yeah, the fire burns forever. You know, we actually made these,
like weird, like Jesus, Dan Campbell candles in Detroit. I
gotta send you pictures of them. My friends from Michigan
send them.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (16:09):
I have Detroit as the best team in the league
right now. You know, I look at you know, Brett
and I are the only ones that there are power
rankings this week. But I mean, I know he's got
the Rams up there. I got the Lions. The Lions
are just I think, solid through and through. And I
still need to see more from the Chiefs. And I'm
not you know, I'm not here gonna go crazy about

(16:31):
the Lions. But I think there's just enough disrespect here
and enough buy back into the Chiefs after they've had.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
A couple of good weeks.

Speaker 4 (16:38):
I know they lost last week, but I think we're
starting to see the Chiefs kind of round into that
form that we are expecting them to get closer to
as the season goes on, as they get players back.
But I still need to see more of it from
Kansas City. I know they get to play at home here,
but I think we've seen in the past that this
Dan Campbell Detroit team is not scared to go into
Kansas City. They're not scared to go toe to toe.

(17:01):
And you know, I think this one should be closer
to a pick than plus two here for the Lions.
So yeah, I'm on Detroit.

Speaker 2 (17:07):
The toush push is so stupid it is.

Speaker 4 (17:11):
Okay, you want to know my take on the toush push, go,
there is some team out there. If all these teams
hate it, there's a team out there. All the owners
need to get together and they need to conspire to
send in. It would have been perfect last week with
the Indianapolis Colts with that blowout win and Anthony Richardson
to send in Anthony Richardson at the end of the

(17:32):
game do a tush push, and Anthony Richardson needs to
fake an injury doing the toush push because then the
NFL will actually ban it. And Anthony Richardson matters absolutely nothing.

Speaker 2 (17:45):
To the Colts. Poor Anthony Richson's like cousin is listening
to this.

Speaker 4 (17:49):
Take one for the team. The owner can get you
a private jet or something. I don't care, do the
whole Bobcraft Tom Brady method. I got it under the table.
Name a sports facility after him. Whatever you gotta do.
But the other owners got us conspire to have a
sacrificial lamb out there to take an injury, because that's
when the NFL will act on this tush push thing.

Speaker 2 (18:09):
You just got to plan a couple fake trees and
someone will pay you off and everything will be good.
I love the Chiefs in this spot for a multitude
of reasons. One, it is just a contest, play dujore.
Everybody loves the Lions. This whole contest loves the Lions.

(18:30):
The entire city of Las Vegas loves the Lions. The
Lions have a plus next to them, millions of people
gonna line up to put an X next to them.
In circa Casey was kind of back on their bs
against Jacksonville. The end result was obviously disgusting, but how

(18:51):
rare is it for us to see a Chiefs team
blow a lead? And just that was just very unchiefs
like right the way that the result of that game
came in hand, But when does a player fall down,
get up and still score a touchdown like that? Stuff

(19:11):
just doesn't happen against Kansas City Xavier Worthy matters. Taekwon
Thornton has looked great, and last week when we were
discussing Lions Bengals, I said, I wasn't too worried about
the secondary injuries for Detroit because I didn't think the
Bengals would have a capable passing attack because I don't

(19:35):
think they'd be able to fend off the pressure that
the Lions were sending. That was kind of true for
most of the game, but towards the end, when Jamar
got loose and got into the secondary, there were big
plays to be had against this Lion secondary. Now you
have a Casey offensive line that is eighth and adjustin
sacherate and a Patrick Mahomes who is deep ball hunting.

(19:59):
It feels like gets twenty eighteen, twenty nineteen all over again.
He is looking for the deep play they're sending Taekwon deep.
I think Kansas City has a chance to roll in
this spot. I with all these injuries to the Lions,
Toront Terry Nonold already ruled out, Joseph still looks like

(20:22):
he's going to miss two DMPs this week. I think
there's gonna be points to be had for Kansas City.
And I still trust Spags. I still trust this defense
to be able to get stops. And this is at
the end of the day, it's Jared Goff on the
road at Arrowhead, crumbling like a cookie against Spags coming

(20:44):
off of an embarrassing primetime loss. So I think this
is a great spot for Kansas City. And I know
someone agrees, and his name is Red Coles.

Speaker 3 (20:53):
Yeah, I'm with you. I think this is a great
spot to bet against perception like the market, like you said,
it's just fallen in love with Detroit for straight thirty
four plus point games. Everyone crowning them in the NFC,
even the NFL. And yeah, they've been bullying teams, but
you got to look at the context here too, Like
those explosions came against Chicago, the Bengals, a Baltimore defense
been missing half its starters and Cleveland when the Lions

(21:17):
have actually faced functional quarterbacks Lamar Jackson, Jordan Love. They've
given up fifty seven points almost six yards per play.
Like this defense now without some key players too, is gettable.
And meanwhile, Kansas City, they've got this down year narrative
that I don't think it really holds up on tape
in the metrics, Like they've actually scored on a higher

(21:38):
percentage of drives through the first five weeks than in
any of the past four seasons. This offense is clicking,
and now, like you said, Worthy, it's made a huge difference.
Thornton is now a thing, Like that's how good Mahomes
is that Taekwon Thornton is now emerging into a threat
while they wait for Rashid Rice. Offensive line has been great,
top ten in win rate, and most importantly, I think
here's just the added urgency too, Like Mahomes is running more,

(22:00):
they're more under center and play action they're giving over
the other running plays that they have to. They can't
hide some of their playbook for the postseason this year,
like they have to go get wins, and so I
think you have to bake that into what's going on here.
It's just just a classic Bilo Chiefs setup because they
have to win these football games, and I'm with you.

(22:22):
I think this could just be a chief spy more
than a touchdown win.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
Here, we moved to Moe, who, like DP, has a
lone wolf in his top five. The Panthers did it
for us last week, covering for the collective, but Mo
has turned his back on our boy Bryce and he's
got Dak and them Boys in his top five.

Speaker 5 (22:45):
Yeah, this is just two offenses that are going to
move the ball, but one defense is going to stumble
into a couple stops and the other one won't. So
Dallas should probably be like minus four. So I clicked
on Dallas.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
You know what you were talking about, the coasting to
that wow coaching mismatch between Aaron Glenn and Schottenheimer, And
you convinced me last week. And I mean there was
one play in particular. The Jets community has been on
Michael Clements for multiple years now. He is like not

(23:20):
even replacement level at edge in this league, and for
whatever reason, these teams just keep trotting him out there.
And one of the first plays that the Cowboys ran
was they ran a jet action sweep right at him.
Because Schottenheimer knows that this guy cannot set an edge
or move laterally, and it was a chunk of play

(23:41):
right off the bat. I think Shoty is like extremely
deep into his bag. And it's crazy because was it
just that he was like Pete Carroll didn't let him
shine and Mike McCarthy just didn't let him shine because
the offense is that he had been calling previously looked
nothing like this. But I mean he's got something flnoy

(24:03):
out here making meaningful plays and Dak looking fantastic. This
is just a number play for me though, And I
know Brett's going to agree with three and a half
flashing across the board. H Brett, You've looked into the
numbers when it comes to this type of spread and

(24:23):
just there seems like there's going to be a massive
vide here in the contest for the game like this.

Speaker 3 (24:29):
Yeah, I mean if this is sitting at three and
a half on Saturday, then the Cowboys are going to
be one of the top plays. So I do I
see this as a Panthers leverage spot and like, yeah,
it's just another home home game for Bryce. Do I
feel good about backing them two straight weeks off a wind?

Speaker 4 (24:45):
No?

Speaker 3 (24:45):
Not really, But there really is something to this quarterback
playing in his friendly confines, and yeah, he gets to
face another pitiful defense here. So I think the Panther,
the Panthers will be able to get theirs moving to football.

Speaker 2 (24:56):
My pushback and it's going to come up. My top
pick is I think going four and one in the
first week of the new quarter, we are in a
position where it might be okay to be chalkier than normal.
So if the market truly does believe that this is
three and a half and it's three, then I don't know,

(25:21):
that's a very valuable half point, which is certainly worth discussing.
Much lower on your card, Moe. We head back to
foggy London town. Speaking of my beloved New York Jets.

(25:54):
There was an interview today rookie tackle Armand Membu said
he was shocked when he heard the accident, the accents
in London. He's like, he's like, I've seen them on
video and stuff, but he's like, I didn't actually realize
that it was going to happen when I talked to people.
It's just it's a good thing that you're a grizzly

(26:14):
bear and good at moving people. My guy, Mo, you
have very low confidence in this. But you took the
plus seven with the fighting Jets.

Speaker 5 (26:23):
Yeah, this line seemed fair, so I just one team
was getting a key number, so I just clicked on them.

Speaker 6 (26:30):
But yeah, I thought this line was fair, So I
don't know.

Speaker 5 (26:33):
The Broncos are coming off a big win, and then
I guess. Honestly, the main tiebreaker here for me was
just you clearly can't predict anything that's going to happen
in a game overseas, so if one team's getting seven points,
I guess I better click on them.

Speaker 6 (26:51):
If I don't have an opinion.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
There's a there's a weird angle here with Glenn being
such an entrenched parcels guy and Hayton being a parcels
guy too that I don't think Peyton would go out
of his way to embarrass Aaron Glenn, So I think
that's kind of an interesting angle to this. But I

(27:14):
think this is one of the worst matchups in the
league for a Jets team that can't generate pressure and
for a quarterback who continues to make his offensive line
look worse because he just holds the ball so damn long.
And if you look at some of these metrics, They're

(27:37):
gonna be somewhat favorable for the Jets on offense eleventh
in offensive success rate of passing offense success rate fifth,
and rushing And there's just so much garbage time that
is going into this. Like the entire second half last week,
the Jets were playing with a five percent win probability
because they had gotten their teeth kicked in so poorly

(28:01):
in the first half by the Broncos. So if there
was ever a spot London goofiness catching a big number,
this might be it. But I just think it's such
a bad spot for the Jets, so I couldn't must
at any confidence on the Broncos. But DP is happy
to lay the wood with the Broncos in his top five.

Speaker 4 (28:23):
Yeah, I mean, listen, I think I stared at this
one and I wanted to somehow be able to get
behind the Jets. You know, I think you have the
fact that the Jets looked horrible last week, Denver looked
really good, got a big win against the Eagles, you
got a London game, So like most said, you kind
of just want to click the points when the wackediness

(28:44):
can happen. But I kept just coming back to the
Jets are the absolute stone freaking worse in the league,
and I cannot in any way, shape or form support
them in this matchup. We have a Broncos team that
I know, like the contrarian in me doesn't want an
ass necessarily buy into the ascending team because I think
the Broncos are starting to round into form. You know,

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everyone's kind of coming in to the season. You know,
everyone was penciling and the Broncos as you know, that
next team to like take the jump either front runner,
et cetera. And they started a bit slow. But I
think that this team still is really good. You know,
they could have a better record if that stupid Colts
game doesn't happen at the end like that nonsense. And

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I think all in all, like they're just very very good.
The quarterback is playing better. He's not great, but he's
playing better. The defense is awesome. You know, they can
move the rock, and like, what is this Jets team
going to do?

Speaker 2 (29:37):
Honestly?

Speaker 4 (29:37):
I mean, Rich, you tell me you have the Jets, guy, Like,
what what are they honestly going to do? They're beat everywhere?
Like literally, there's not a single position that I could
be like, yeah, that's where the Jets have an advantage.
So like, if you just want to blindly buy into
London and the wackiness that can happen over there, I mean,
by all means, take that blind leap of faith, go
right ahead. I don't necessarily think that it's bad, because

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we've seen plenty of dumb shit happen in London. But
I can't bring myself to do it, Like I think,
this is just a Broncos route all day, every day.

Speaker 2 (30:09):
The only thing I could see in the Jets direction
is any kind of turnover variants in their direction. They
are the only team in the NFL who has not
forced a turnover. They are the first team in NFL
history to not force a turnover through five weeks of
the NFL season. They're thirty first in turnover EPA. No
bounce is going their way. So maybe this is the week,

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but I very much doubt.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
Maybe it's just the most predicted thing.

Speaker 2 (30:39):
Maybe maybe would just never jump on a bumble. It's
all right. We go to Brett, who has the Baltimore Ravens.
Plus the seven and a half rule of backup quarterback
back on the Ravens. You're shaking your head, this is low.
What you got here.

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Well, I mean I'd literally just said the Rams are
the best team in football, and now I have the
Ravens plus seven and a half. This is just a
this is a weather game for me, Like they're expecting
nasty weather in Baltimore gusts up to thirty miles per
hour consistently, which adds variance, reduces the Rams edge in
the passing game. I didn't really know what to do

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with this one, so I just took the points.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
DP. You've got the highest opinion on McVeigh and the Boys.

Speaker 4 (31:27):
Yeah, I mean I think, I think if you want
to take the approach of this is the absolute maximum
back against the wall for the Ravens, they have to,
you know, right the ship or at least put up
some sort of fight. If Harbaugh carries any sort of weight,
He's got to get his guys up to play for
this one. But this isn't even the Ravens, Like, I
don't who is this team? Well, it's like so something

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like ten of their best twelve guys or most expensive
guys are hurt. Lamar is not playing Like what and listen,
I kind of tried to talk myself into the weather thing.
Brett mentioned, but I also was like, well, it's gonna
also be a weather game with a bunch of idiot
backups out there, like heading into a bye week.

Speaker 2 (32:07):
So like what I.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Guess, I'm just gonna back the team that I think is,
you know, one of the top three teams in the league.
And I think the Rams also, the Rams got a
little bit extra rest. They're coming off a bad loss
last week. You gotta think the team that is more
of the team that what it's supposed to be. It's
well coached. Yeah, they had a really stupid outing last week.
You got to think that team looks at last week

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and says, listen, we did a lot of dumb shit.
We lost that game. We should have won it. We
got to write things. Now, let's go and get this
job done against Baltimore. Whereas I look at Baltimore and
it's like, I don't know how you can believe in
this team. This isn't the Ravens. This is not the Ravens.

Speaker 2 (32:44):
It's just not. Yeah. If Baltimore is thirty second rush
defense EPA thirty first and success freight when it's not muddy,
what are they gonna do when they can't keep their
footing right and slipping all over the place while the
offense is dictating the direction with which they run in.
I don't know how it gets on better than that.

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So we moved a little bit further down Brett's card,
and this is just Brett refusing.

Speaker 3 (33:15):
I don't want I don't want Indy on the card.
That's all this is saying is I don't want because
Kyler's not going to play. I don't want Indy on
the card with three thousand other people.

Speaker 4 (33:25):
But like Rich said, it doesn't matter.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
We're front running, baby running. We didn't go five and oh.
A lot of people went five and o last week.

Speaker 2 (33:33):
Right, but we have to go five and oh moving
forward in order to win the quarter. And when there's
a free space available, this line with Kyler Murray, I think,
do you understand this Gannon guy going up to a
player in their worst moment and striking them this weep

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skinny nerd? And I can say that because I.

Speaker 4 (33:58):
Too, that wants to He didn Brett bet him to
be coach of the years long ago.

Speaker 3 (34:04):
Yeah, like that money.

Speaker 2 (34:06):
Win and Brett he struck a player.

Speaker 3 (34:10):
I saw it at the.

Speaker 2 (34:12):
First since that this game is going to slip away.
What kind of effort are these guys going to give
this coach?

Speaker 3 (34:22):
I mean, to be honest, that kid should have been
walking home after that. Inexcusable. I mean, you can't do that.
How many times do we have to see that?

Speaker 4 (34:33):
They like, not score a single point against the freaking
Tennessee Titans in like two and a half quarters or
something like absurd.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
They just stopped playing football at the Cardinals. But yeah,
of course an insane fumble at the one inch line,
which is inexcusable at this point, we've seen it over
and over and over again. But you still can't. You
can't hit a guy. You can't go.

Speaker 3 (34:54):
Up with someone, especially and they got a guy who
you need like they need him.

Speaker 2 (34:58):
But also, like anybody.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Else, when he calls a bad play, I hope one
of the players punches him in the face.

Speaker 2 (35:04):
Well also, what if Dean Marcado just swung on him
right there, like what, like, you hit me? What have
you just swung on him? Like? Everyone would have been
up in arms about that. But the other guy could
just hit him with absolutely no regard. So there's that aspect,
and then yeah, it's trending towards Kyler Murray not playing,
which means it's something brisket on the road.

Speaker 3 (35:28):
That's our guy.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
No, he is not. He was he was.

Speaker 4 (35:33):
He's been left in the smoker for way too damn
long man, there's no way he's our guy anymore. Like
it's just you can't Jacoby were said, Like, what, let's
get the oldest Jacoby. I mean, seriously, let's guess the
ten right if if it's Jacoby and not Kyler has
to And even if it's Kyler, isn't it Kyler with

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a foot? Like what is Kyler with a foot injury
going to be?

Speaker 2 (35:57):
And the Colts score forty points every week? Psichen's your guy.
I is the space. But I'm just I'm sorry, it's
the free space. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.

Speaker 3 (36:11):
I'm I'm readjusting. I'm putting all my confidence points on how.

Speaker 4 (36:15):
Much Jakobe said only thirty two years old, he looks
like he's fifty two.

Speaker 2 (36:19):
I mean, alright, so the lone Wolf Dp's got the
Chargers and Lion Smoe's got the Cowboys and Jets. Spratt's
got the Ravens and Cardinals. No lone Wolves for yeo boy.
All right, let's make the week six guards.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
Nine eight five three, dude.

Speaker 4 (36:49):
One fire.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
With the best record last week. I get to go first,
and I'm putting the Cults on the card. Brett, I'm sorry,
it's the freeze space.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
This wasn't the collective play, and that's actually kind of
shocking to me.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
No, the collective the collective play is in tradition a
home dog. But we'll get to that in a bit. Brett,
you are up next.

Speaker 3 (37:24):
Uh, I've got the Steelers minus five and a half. However,
I am a little terrified of the ownership on this one.
I know you guys don't seem to be You don't
seem to care about ownership at this point. I do still,
so I don't know. You tell me, well, your number
two is my number two, So right, that's what I'm

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looking at too. Is I really like the Chiefs minus
two as well.

Speaker 2 (37:51):
Which is the complete opposite. If you're worried about ownership,
Chiefs leverage will be real. DP, You're up next.

Speaker 3 (38:02):
Just this, I have the same one of confidence points
on both of those sides. I just threw Steelers at one.
I'll make a decision certainly by Saturday morning. But yeah,
we'll see.

Speaker 2 (38:13):
DP is up next for the first of two loan
wolves on the.

Speaker 4 (38:18):
Card Chargers minus four. But I will say that I
was thinking about calling an audible, but I think it's going.

Speaker 2 (38:29):
To be the collective pick. But we'll see. Here's the thing.
If you want to put the free space on, then
I can put Chiefs on. I'm okay with that. So
I'm floating that out there if if Donnie you want
to take the free space, I don't want the Chiefs
on the card.

Speaker 4 (38:47):
All right, we go to about the freaking Chargers on
the card. So I cannot believe two things. One Brett
didn't pick the Browns. That that is a plus a
Brett pick. And two I can't if you didn't pick
the Bengals.

Speaker 3 (39:01):
Bengals on the carter every week.

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Please, guys, I thank you for bringing that sound white.

Speaker 6 (39:06):
Thank you.

Speaker 2 (39:07):
I love you.

Speaker 4 (39:08):
I really thought I was gonna have to say, what
are we doing with this stupid Bengals team again? But
you didn't do it, so I got nothing. Will probably
the week to pick the Bengals.

Speaker 2 (39:18):
The Bengals are one of five consensus picks that did not.

Speaker 4 (39:24):
You picked the bank because they're getting Infinity.

Speaker 3 (39:28):
Yeah, I don't want the Bengals on the Carter every week.

Speaker 2 (39:30):
Please guys, all right, round us off with another lone.

Speaker 5 (39:36):
Wolf Cowboys minus three?

Speaker 2 (39:42):
We them boys, Well that's the worst.

Speaker 4 (39:46):
Well somebody better stop the cowl number one with the Cowboys.
You say, is this a letdown spot? And when the
answer is yes, you fade the Cowboys?

Speaker 2 (39:54):
Well, every time the Panthers one, it's every time the
Panthers win.

Speaker 6 (40:03):
You haven't you been able to fade them? Like the
last three years at.

Speaker 4 (40:06):
The last spot for the Cowboys was was most obviously
going to Chicago against the Bears, and they sucked ass.
This is another one and they're gonna suck ass again
because that's what the Cowboys do.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
All right, let's get to the collective pick.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
The collective chooses the Atlanta Falcons, not the.

Speaker 2 (40:45):
One I thought, do that, dirty bird Brett. Are the
Bills broken? Are the Bills just their whole track? Is
just Josh Allen do something?

Speaker 3 (41:04):
I mean, I feel like we've been saying this defense
is broken four years. I don't know, I don't know
if I would say that. I mean, this is the
worst defense I feel like we've had in a long time.
We do get at Oliver. It looks like back this week.
That's a big one.

Speaker 2 (41:20):
But I've heard that in a row it's coming back.

Speaker 3 (41:24):
No, no, this is like the first this is the
first time he's legitimately like he's actually practicing. But there
might be sixty points in this game in a dome like,
but that's totally high. I think you just have to
take the points here, right, that's where you guys are

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saying it.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
Well, the big thing here is obviously Atlanta coming off
of the bye and the one way we've seen several
teams over the last two years really dominate Buffalo is
by running the football. And now you've got the most
electric runner in all of football in Atlanta in Vjon

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Robinson and an offensive line that is putting in work
for Atlanta. So yeah, I think bijon the fast track
is exciting. And for the Falcons what I'm really curious
about in this game is from a defensive standpoint. So far,
we talked about how they added a lot of resources

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to that defensive front, but it's really not come to
roost in one metric, which is pressure, But DVA thinks
their justice sac rate is fourth, so there's just a
divergence in measurement there where if it's closer to the

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DVA side and they're actually generating a ton of pressure,
then I'm a lot more comfortable with this Atlanta pick.
But if they're first in blitz rate and only pressuring
twenty seven percent of the time, this is the exact
worst quarterback to have those qualities against in Josh Allen
because he can get out in scamper and make plays.
But I don't know, man, the Bills were just kind

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of outplayed by the Patriots in that game, and there's
not a lot to be inspired here other than Josh
Allen making miraculous plays, which I mean, going back to
the Baker thing. It is predictive at this point because
he is such an excellent flair, But coming off the

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buy with this potent of an offense, I think Atlanta
is definitely worth the shout. The other consensus picks that
did not make the card. We start in do All
where the Seahawks come to town to take on the Jags,

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and this game is a pick them in the contest,
and we are all on Seattle. I just think none
of us leave in. This Jags team that leads the
world in turnovers somehow finds a way to win that
football game. But Mo, you're the only one who could
muster Savior Sam into your top five.

Speaker 5 (44:16):
Yeah, I just know the Jags are fake. Should have
lost obviously. The Chiefs blew it with their penalties and
special teams, so that's obviously not likely to continue happening
twelve penalties and literally holding on every single kickoff, plus
Harrison Bucker being a complete piece of shit. So yeah,

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as long as they don't, you know, kick the ball
out of bounds and do a bunch of stupid shit,
the Seahawks should win because they're definitely better than the Jags.
I mean, I can't believe the Seahawks aren't favored here,
but in real life they Jags are minus one, so
that's another weird thing. I feel like everyone should be
on the Seahawks, but I don't know if they will be.

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Every single fake sharp I heard from this week loves
Jacksonville like it's like mind boggling to me. And Brett,
I'm just gonna say it never wrong, only early is
that it was? How's it saying? I just blew it?
I never wrong, only early? That's correct? Right that? The

(45:17):
saying Klink Kubiak is him. I told you this after
Week two last year where the Saints were the ninety
nine Rams, scoring fifty points a week, and then everybody died.
Olave died, where she died, Car died, and that entire
offense went to shit. Kubiak cos to Seattle, Donald remains

(45:41):
the goat. I guess this team is number one or
two in every meaningful passing metric. Brett. I just think
clink Kubiak might be him.

Speaker 3 (45:48):
He might he might be. Donald also might be pretty good.
I mean, people, he's refused to get this theorem.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
It's the golf theorem. He can just like golf. Donald
can point and shoot with the best of them in
this league. Every throw is in his arsenal. It's just
when it breaks down and he needs to make a
decision and he needs to be the one that's driving
the offense, that's when it gets a little hairy. But
if it's all schemed up and it's point and shoot,

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Sam's gonna make every throw there is out there. I
believe that's been a lot of discourse in the Jets
community about Sam and we have I mean that draft specific,
specifically getting rid of Sam and then taking Zach when
the next picks were Penna, sul Jamar Chase and Micah
Parsons like in succession. It's just like if you.

Speaker 4 (46:41):
Checked the Minnesota discords. I'm sure that's great too.

Speaker 3 (46:45):
Vikings can't be as bad as Cleveland.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
All right, we moved down to Patriots at Saints, and guys,
we put the Saints on the card. I'm really mad
that I didn't actually consider Saint survivor. That would have
been the most devil most beautiful selection last week. But
we all like the Saints. I'm the only one with
the Saints in my top five though. This is just
a classic Cell high spot off of Drake May and

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the New England Patriots. But the unfortunate bit is that
you are also buying a Saints team that just came
off of their first win of the season, but there
was no change whatsoever in the market. Look ahead of
three and a half opens and remains at that number.
Kellenmore just keeps doing it. Spencer Ratler just keeps doing it.

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I guess Moe was right. This is just more of
a run of the mill bad team than it is
the worst team in the league. And if they're just
a run of the mill bad team, then New England
laying three and a half points in a tough environment
in the dome in the Bayou is just an insane
line to me. So I'm very happy to have the

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Saints in my top five, but nobody else could muster
them higher.

Speaker 4 (48:02):
This is the one I would want to put on.

Speaker 2 (48:04):
Well, why then, why do you have zero?

Speaker 4 (48:06):
Honestly, I put them because I was worried about this
if I was just getting a little bit too annoyed.
And then I all I heard between like four o'clock
and five point thirty when we turned the show on,
was all these people out there talking about how the
Patriots are amazing and Drake made his top three qv
in the world, and I just want to spite all
of those assholes. Okay, that's what I want to do,
because this is getting ridiculous. Okay, the guy's good, yes,

(48:29):
but let's just pump the freaking brakes a little bit here.
I mean, come on, there's no step a little bit.
They beat the Buffalo Bills. You want to know what
the Buffalo Bills do? Every single year, The Buffalo Bills
play up and down to their competition. If they play
the Ravens, the Bills are gonna score eighty points. If
they play the Dolphins, the Bills are gonna be in
a rock fight till the bitter end. That's what the

(48:50):
Bills do. Okay, So the fact that the Patriots beat
them really doesn't like like light up fireworks in my mind.
And the week before they blew doors, yeah, against the
freaking Panthers. Okay, the Panthers, Like, let's just calm down
with do you really do people really think Stefan Diggs
is just back when that was the all time circled game.

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He literally talked about it being circled for like a
week and a half straight, That's all he talked about.
You think Stefan Diggs is just gonna go out there
and be fine. No, like Stefan Diggs is just gonna
go back to like his normal self and not doing
that much.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I mean, it looks pretty freaking good coming off that
acl though.

Speaker 2 (49:30):
Stefan saw them all whites and he was he was
off that tucy. My guy was weiring to go all
right further down bears at commanders. We're all laying it
with the commanders. But nobody, not a single person got
this in their top five. In fact, that none of

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the remaining consensus picks made anybody's one more, excuse me
one more? It is in my top five, Brett, you
get the highest opinion on a Washington team traveling home
to face Chicago off the bye. What happened there? Somebody
at home run?

Speaker 6 (50:08):
No, uh, Philly's lost on air.

Speaker 5 (50:12):
Dodgers on air, this Dodge.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
I have to go to the hometown I have to
go to the hometown group chat then, because there's a
lot of.

Speaker 3 (50:24):
What a way to lose the series?

Speaker 6 (50:25):
Dude, that sucked.

Speaker 5 (50:27):
And the sad thing is, like, I mean, the really
sad thing is this game never should have been tied
in the first place. The hump blew a call that
put the tying run on. So I feel for the
Phillies fans to be honest with you, Commy and Daniels.
Bill Vinovich last week doesn't have to go in the

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media and talk about why he took a touchdown off
the board from the Rams.

Speaker 2 (50:53):
Oh yeah, the whistle. That's another player.

Speaker 5 (50:55):
They the guy who's fighting for yards and then the
Rams house of fumble and they just said, nah, didn't happen.

Speaker 6 (51:06):
But the forty nine ers totally deserve credit for that win.

Speaker 3 (51:09):
Guys, I mean, they were up by two scores early,
but whatever, I mean, this was the worst throw I've
ever seen from a person on a baseball.

Speaker 4 (51:19):
What the hell was this?

Speaker 3 (51:22):
I mean, he knew he had to get it out quickly.

Speaker 4 (51:25):
He's a pitcher, buddy, throw it to the coucher, like,
what is so complicated?

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Pictures are notoriously horrible throwing it outside of him.

Speaker 5 (51:33):
He could have also just fielded the ball that was
hit right to him and then thrown it to first base,
but he dropped it, so he decided to make the
short throw.

Speaker 2 (51:42):
My father is watching What's Up, Pops, and my brother
was a picture My dad was a pitcher. Anytime a
ground ball went to the picture and my dad was coaching,
he would just scream at the top of his lungs,
step and throw.

Speaker 5 (51:57):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (51:57):
So I'm positive he is saying that in his living
room right now, watching watching the basis Jane Daniels at
home against the Bears.

Speaker 3 (52:06):
Well, yeah, I think that's where there's a huge mispatch
here is Washington is built to exploit what Chicago can't stop,
and that is the edge run game. Commander's number one
success rate on outside runs number four and rush yards
over expected Jayden and these running backs Bill especially, they're
just so good first in yards per carry, success rate,

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yards before contact on these outside attempts. So I guess
the Bears defense is just a mess on the edges.
I think that's where I love the Commanders here, and
I'm looking and we're going to talk about Survivor here shortly,
but I think Commanders are a sneaky little play and
Survivor as well, even at minus four and a half.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Yeah, honestly, the only thing that concerns me here is
Chicago off of the buy. But I was seeing the
exact same thing that you were talking about with regards
to Washington's running game. We have a guest here. My
son is excited. He hear the Phillies loss, and he,

(53:07):
being the Mets dieard that he is, came running half
a couple more to go here. This is the one
where I have the highest opinion on. It's in my
top five and we're going to be talking about it
in the Survivor segment. It's Titans at Raiders. This is
a dumb This is dumb. This is dumb. This is

(53:27):
so dumb. The Titans needed two sub one percent results
to win a pro football game against a bad to
middling team by a dick here by one point. Okay,
that was the only way with which they could win
a pro football game. And now because of that, a
team in Las Vegas who two weeks ago beat, didn't beat,

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but outgained the Bears by two yards per play in
a pro football game. Dominated in the box. This went
from six and a half on the look ahead to
four and a half in the contest. Everyone is going
to be scared off of Gino because he threw a
million interceptions. He's an idiot. I'm seeing memes where his

(54:14):
helmet's backwards and he can't see anything. He's the biggest
joke in the sport. This Titans. It's still Callahan.

Speaker 5 (54:21):
He kind of is the biggest joke in the sport.

Speaker 2 (54:23):
But I mean, it's still the Titans. It's still Callahan.
It's still a non functioning football team, and everyone is
just off of it because of two completely random outcomes
against the Arizona Cardinals. It's shocking to me. So I'm
very much interested in this number at four and a half,

(54:44):
and I'm going to be very much interested in this
team in the survivor segments. Who is I'm seeing a
lot of nodding. Who is supporting? Nobody's really worried about this,
all right, last game, we got to get to it.
We previewed it.

Speaker 3 (55:03):
Yeah, I don't want the Bengals in the cart every week. Please, guys.

Speaker 2 (55:06):
There's a new sheriff in town in Cincinnati and his
name is Joe Flacco. This isn't gonna work, right, guys,
We've moe talked. No, no, no, no, We've talked about this.
If Joe Flacco is shown an ounce of pressure, this guy,

(55:30):
he does the Brady, He's fallen. He's chucking and ducking.
He has no interest in getting tackled. So why would
him going from an average offensive line to one of
the worst offensive lines in pressure rate metrics in recent history?
Why would this be any positive for this Bengal's passing thing?

Speaker 5 (55:55):
Are the Browns and average offensive line? They're good at
run blocking? Aren't they bad at pass block? Their tackles
are horrifying.

Speaker 4 (56:01):
I mean, they're for sure better than the freaking bang.

Speaker 2 (56:05):
Come on, I don't know.

Speaker 5 (56:07):
My only thought when I saw this trade was the
biggest problem I'm seeing with Jake Browning is which I
didn't want to blame him until I watched that Lions game,
and that was definitely on him. The biggest problem I'm
seeing with him is that once he starts moving, he
doesn't have the arm to get the ball anywhere. So

(56:29):
I think Flacco is actually an upgrade because once he
gets the ball, he's at least gonna plant his feet
and just throw it off his back foot somewhere.

Speaker 6 (56:37):
But I think that's an improvement.

Speaker 5 (56:38):
When you have the Jamar Chase and T Higgins, just
throw random balls in those guys' vicinity and see if
something positive happens. Jake Browning can't even get the ball
anywhere near his receivers. So as long as Flacco just
plants his feet and throws under pressure, which I saw
him do multiple times when I was watching them against
the Lions, I think that better off he actually made

(57:01):
some he's Flacco's actually made some decent tosses this year.
His receivers are horrible. They've let him down multiple times.
Harold Fannon dropped a thirty yard strike in that game,
and I wanted to. I bet on the Lions, so
this all made me happy, but I was a little
bit sad for Flacco. He deserved a little bit better
than that. I don't think he's like good. I I've
been fading Flacco a bunch. I think he's pretty bad,

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but he might do better than Browning.

Speaker 4 (57:28):
I'm sad for Mike White. Mike White should got his
due here. I don't care what anyone says. You want
to put someone in who can get their ass beat
behind a bad offensive line, throw in Mike White, okay,
and he will get up every single damn time and
continue to throw the.

Speaker 2 (57:43):
R Bretno's At the one time where Matt Malano literally
committed assault against him in Orchard Park and broke multiple ribs.
We're all in the Bengals here, just because when it's
Chase and the Higgins and it's a live arm like
Flacco coming back and storming through the back door with

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dis many points is certainly on the table. It's just
how much confidence can you assign to this when the
dude wasn't collired on Tuesday and has to come play
pro football. Brett.

Speaker 3 (58:18):
My theory is that Jamar Chase demanded this dude. I
think the only reason this trade happened.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
I can see that.

Speaker 3 (58:25):
Because like when Flacco, when the trade happened, Chase said
that Flacco was one of the greatest quarterbacks to ever play,
and like he's just talking about how he's so excited
to have Flacco in the building. I'm just like, what, why?
Like what, I just don't know why?

Speaker 4 (58:41):
Because Jake Browne couldn't get him the ball and was
throwing NonStop interceptions, That's why.

Speaker 2 (58:45):
Yeah, but you don't have to say he's the best
quarterback ever.

Speaker 4 (58:49):
Yeah, but you know this divas, that's how they are.

Speaker 3 (58:52):
They are. But like Browning and Chase were amazing two
years ago. That's that Browning has been quite bad year.
So but that's that's what I'm thinking, is that Chase
was just like, I'm not playing playing with this quarterback anymore.
Go get me someone and they did, all right.

Speaker 2 (59:08):
So the consensus picks that did not make the card Hawk's, Saints,
Commander's Raiders, Bengals, Sir viver So, I generally do not
like to choose the chalk, but this week is a
specifically interesting conundrum for me because in Week nine I've

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already selected the Los Angeles Rams, and that is shaping
up to be a tough week because after the Green
Bay Packers, who play host to the Carolina Panthers. The
team with the highest win odds that are going to
be available to me in Week nine are going to
be the Los Angeles Chargers at the Tennessee Titans, which

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it is the Titans, but I mean that could be
the interim coach bump, and it's a charter team with
no tackles playing across the country. It's not certainly a
spot I'm in love with. So with the Packers being
so popular this week, projected to be up to forty
two percent owned in CIRCA, I'm very happy to hold

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off on them and wait and select them in week nine,
where they will for sure be popular once again. They
will be pushing thirty percent that week, but it will
be a reduction from this week, and with the Rams conundrum,
it makes me a little more comfortable holding off on them.
So that being said, from a win odds perspective, the

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next closest teams this week are the Philadelphia Eagles, who
are playing the Colts, who I have taken, the Rams,
who I have taken, the Broncos who I have taken,
and the next couple are the Commanders, Raiders, Bills, and Steelers.
So you were talking comedies there Brett, which is literally

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a team I've not been considering at all this week.
I've been waffling between the Raiders and the Steelers. So
what are your thoughts on Commis?

Speaker 3 (01:01:13):
Just looking at win Odds. This according to pool geniuses
win Odds, this is their best spot of the season remaining,
and you might be able to get the Commanders at
like what three percent this week. So that's why I
think they're interesting. I can certainly see making a case
for some of these other teams as well, but I

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think I think the Commanders at least have to be
in the discussion if you like them like on the spread,
which I think we all.

Speaker 2 (01:01:41):
Do, yeah, everybody on Washington. The biggest issue there is,
of course, that they play on the Christmas slate bot
They are projected to be the highest owned team on
that slate at forty four percent, So I don't know
if I'd go out of my way to select them
in that scenario. Know, the problem is is that slate

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is is very hairy right now, so I kind of
want to leave all of my options open in the
event something happens that week. So maybe perhaps that's in
the back of my mind. One of the reasons why
I didn't even consider Washington this week makes sense.

Speaker 4 (01:02:22):
I just I think you've got to stay on brand.

Speaker 7 (01:02:25):
Come on, this will be one of the two weeks
of the season where the team playing the Tennessee Titans
will be sub ten percent.

Speaker 3 (01:02:35):
In circa, it might be like sub five, like nobody nobody.

Speaker 4 (01:02:44):
Getting a they wrote me off? But I ain't right
back moment from Geno f and Smith this week. I
don't care what anyone says that is happening.

Speaker 2 (01:02:53):
I mean, the other one is for me Pittsburgh. But
unlike the Raiders, who have absolutely no future value whatsoever,
their next highest projected win percentage is Week seventeen home
to the Giants, which I don't know. Maybe maybe Jackson

(01:03:13):
Dart is him. Maybe Jackson Dart is out here winning
against the defending Super Bowl champions. Maybe he's just him
and he just grows into the season and that looks
foolish moving forward. Whereas the Steelers have home Bgals home
Dolphins in December when it's cold and TUA wants no
business playing football, so they actually have live spots. So

(01:03:36):
I entered the week leaning Raiders, and I remain leaning
Raiders at this time. Unfortunately, I don't think I can
keep running the randomizer. It's getting to the point where
I have to actually do planning, so I will I'll
tell you the path that I sat down and did

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this morning, so I have it saved here.

Speaker 5 (01:04:00):
Yes, well, you can't get a higher win percentage than
playing the worst team in the NFL at home, so
there's no point of looking at the rest of the schedule.

Speaker 2 (01:04:10):
It's my next three weeks are Raiders against Titans this week,
and this is looking harry now Bears at home against
Saints next week, and the following week, I would be
taking the Eagles on the return trip against these New
York Giants, which could be double circle now could be

(01:04:32):
a revenge spot after the Giants win this contest. So yeah,
I mean, if I take Raiders this week, it has
literally no bearing on what I do in the future,
because again, I don't think I'll ever be taking the rate.
There's no other spot that I'll be taking the Raiders.
So I'm interested to see what our guy odib says.
He's always come out with his projections. Grandio grandissimo down

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to what fifteen people, sixteen sixteen. They brought it up
today in the Pool Genius, So they've been doing a
great job on that channel. By the way, you guys
should check out the Pull Genius YouTube show about UH Survivor.
They were saying that folks should start I mean, they
could have should have considered Eagles tonight, because is that
contest even going to get to Thanksgiving? Like, do you

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at this point do you even have to worry about
the Thanksgiving slate? You definitely don't have to worry about
the Christmas late So some fascinating.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Well that's what That's what ODB was saying at the beginning.
You know, he was asking us how how long we
think Grandisimo will go? And that's also kind of why
I think he was so upset. If you guys listen
to his Gamble Up podcast, he had a nice long
rant about everything because after the Rams lost, he knew
the right play was to not take the Cardinals, yet

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he talked himself into taking the Cardinals anyway, and he
was like, I don't need to go as low, you know,
as to taking a team like the Cardinals, but he
did it anyway. So what happened.

Speaker 3 (01:05:56):
The power of Kalahan, that's all it was. So got
sucked into the Klahan.

Speaker 2 (01:06:01):
I never want to hear more. I never want to
hear from anybody ever again that has laid eyes on
the game of football that Jalen Hurts is anything but
a horrific quarterback. This is one of the worst throws
you will ever see at any level. I'm talking Pop

(01:06:24):
Warner High School. They handed them a ninety yard touchdown.
It was handed to Jalen Hurts. DeVonta Smith is clear
of every human around him by seven yards and he
does the classic bad quarterback overthrow by ten yards. Unbelievable,

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and Callahan and I have money on the Giants go ahead.

Speaker 5 (01:06:48):
Did anybody see last week when he literally kicked the
extra point in that spot? I can't. He should have
been fired on the spot.

Speaker 2 (01:06:59):
He he doesn't under like.

Speaker 6 (01:07:04):
Honestly, they held up though number one on purpose with pride.

Speaker 2 (01:07:09):
Honestly, the elbow comment, it should have ended right there,
like mid postgame press conference. The caneman at the Apollo
should have come out and just danced out and just
dragged Callahan from the podium and his position would have
been taken away. Everybody sitting on their couch watching pro

(01:07:29):
football knows that one elbow equals two feet. It's it's
mind bodeling. So yeah, I'm barring something crazy, barring one
of these three people saying I'm out of my mind.
The Las Vegas Raiders are going to be our last survivor.

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What could go wrong with the guy who leaves the league?
In interceptions, I love the play. This is the spot.
We were talking about this into score.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
This is just a spot and it helps set you
up if this gets through, rich your entry looks so good, dude.

Speaker 2 (01:08:08):
I like it so good. Everyone's like, take the free spot. Well,
what if I get all the free spots with like
ten percent ownership in the second half of the season.
All right, let's do this.

Speaker 4 (01:08:18):
I mean these Survivor chats, I'm in with these people,
just taking the chalk non stop. I want to lose
my I want to throw my phone multiple times a day.

Speaker 5 (01:08:28):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:08:28):
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