April 20, 2023 • 41 mins
Robert A. Schuller is a paster and author, he has a deep rooted history in Orange County as the only son of Crystal Cathedral Founders Robert H. Schuller and Arvella Schuller. . He comes up a great deal in the book because he’s been such a guiding light in my adult life. He married me and my wife, he helped me through the financial crisis, and my battle with cancer. He’s also introduced me to some of the most amazing people who’ve since become my mentors for over a decade. We talk to him about how to show up for someone, and how to just be there for someone going through hard times. He teaches us how to create a powerful meditation around the Psalm 46:10 “Be still and know that I am God"
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Hi, I'm Mindy Stern and thisis Grit Happens. On this show,
we engage in candid conversations with someof the most successful people in every field
and from every walk of life,oh with the common thread of grit and
the common goal of not just surviving, but thriving. And we hope the
show helps you feel informed, energized, and especially inspired. So let's get
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started. This is Grit Happens.Welcome Grit Happens. It's another episode in
our continuing series of talking about Glenn'sforthcoming book novel Memost business book, your
debut. It's your debut, forthcoming. That's a big word. I know
it's a big word for him.It's you know, we're here anyway today.
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We're really excited to bring someone whois very much a part of the
book that Glenn is written, verymuch part of our lives, very much
part of our lives. Yeah,because well we've been married twenty years this
year and you were there on thatdate of our wedding, and being there,
did I minimize you officiated the wedding. You wouldn't have been married that
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day if I wasn't there. Verydifficult, good new on this Jacuzzi on
here on the firmament below and thefermative that you would be standing on a
Jacuzi getting married out with you.You delivered. You delivered with such grace
and humor. So let's introduce him. Doctor you know your audience, and
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doctor Reverend Robert Schuller, who ishere with us, a long time friend
yourself, an author, preacher,pastor, reverend, all of the above.
You have your own congregation, You'vebeen through it up and down,
great story, great history with yourfather, a legacy. Do you want
to like kind of talk about thatfirst and go there? Love too,
because a lot of mean you've gota specific audience. There might be another
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audience out there and doesn't know alot of the history. But I would
love if you don't mind talk alittle bit about the full circle that's come
from your dad when he started outin Orange County, which there's so many
pillars, and I talked about alot of people that have really were the
founding members of Orange County and yourfather was one of those members that really
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helped really grow this amazing community andthen how it kind of came full circle.
Durving Covid, Well, I've beenhere all my life. Yeah,
I was six months old and mydad started the church. He was called
Orange County to start a church.And every single place he looked was filled.
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He tried the mortuary, there wasalready the church meeting there. He
tried the schools. There already churchesmeeting there. He tried the Jewish temple.
There was already somebody meeting there.You name it. He had a
list of ten things. There wasone place that wasn't occupied, and that
was the Orange drive in theater.I love that and driving. For those
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of you that don't remember what adrive in is, a generation that might
not even understand what I'm coming back. Actually, some of the coming back
now, there are a few around. Yeah, you get outside of Orange
County where the real estate is soldby the square foot instead of right that
sold to George County in New York, and some of these places you get
outside of these heavily populated metropolitan areas, and drive ins exist, right,
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and they're fun and they're really cool. But anyway, this he met in
the drive in theater because he waswaiting for the church to be built,
uh, and it was gonna betwo years. He didn't want to wait
two years to get gone. Sohe started meeting the drive in and that
was just amazing, and he hewhen the church opened two years later.
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There was one woman who came tochurch every Sunday and she was a parapolice
and her husband would put her inthe car they drive to the drive in
they'd have the driving service. Andback in the fifties when he started,
there wasn't handicap access anything. Theirhandicap access stuff didn't exist, so she
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couldn't get in any other churches.So they said, okay, she doesn't
have long to live, so we'rejust going to keep the driving going until
she passes. Beautiful. So sothat was so five years later she's still
she's still living, still coming tochurch every Sunday. And my dad's got
has been now for three years,has been going from one from the drive
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from the walk in church that theybuilt to the drive in church and making
this commute back in fourth six mileshaving two services, and that's when they
found ten acres of land halfway betweenthe two, which is where the where
the Chris Cathedral was built and uh, and they moved on to that facility
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and they had a drive in servicefor her on the same grounds, and
then they had a little just thefirst building that they had built for the
walk in church, and they'd go, he'd just have to walk from one
to the other and no center thatthey opened that walk in drive in and
she passed. Really, it's kindof the way God leads, you know,
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It's kind of the way God itgot happy in life, like the
way Glenn and I met. Yeah, it's kind of comical, and yet
it's it's the way God intended it. God has a sense of humor.
And then then when we met,and how God has just interwoven our lives
together over the past. Yeah,I don't know how many years it's been
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a walk and I'll tell you.Um. You know, when I try
to talk to younger people, Iexplain how important it is for them to
find mentors and people that can helpthem navigate through a lot of issues that
maybe they don't have to hit theirheads against the wall, someone else has
done it for them. Yeah,You've been such a big part of connecting
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me to a lot of people thatreally helped me along my business. It
really was. You know, oneof Glen's our most treasured associations is with
the Horatial Elder Association, which yourfather was a member, and we first
heard of it. I remember goingto a celebration of your parents and Palm
Springs. The Arjuroses were m seeing. We were sitting with Ed McMahon and
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Glenn's like, I want to bein this organization, and I'm like,
I bet we could find someone thatcan figure it out. And that just
beautiful story wove its way into oneor most beautiful just in passing, Glenn
said, you know I've put inmy application. I'm putting in my application
for Horatial Elder. Do you rememberwhat I said? I said, don't
bother dude you're running for like thisis a this is a girl boys club.
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You gotta get in with the boysbefore they're gonna let you. I
can't just send in your application toexpect this to happen years for him took
a lot of pain, okay,to get into that organization. It's not
one that just they let you in. You've had to overcome a lot of
adversity and then been able to bounceback and have a lot of philanthropic endeavors
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as well. I think what you'retrying to say is you have to have
a lot of gritty happened. Wewere just there recently, and the entire
theme of the whole weekend was allabout integrity. That word came up so
many times, and like your bookcould not be coming at a more appropriate
time. But but I'll go backto when we met Foster and Mike and
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what a wonderful trip that was becauseone one of Glen's overreaching, our very
important principles of life is to havea mentorship group. And you really were
so integral in introducing him to thisgroup of men, my Ingram, Foster,
Freeze and that gang of gentlemen whowere very they're godfearing men, god
loving men who really kind of mentoredyou specifically along the way. Absolutely.
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Yeah, Foster flew us up tothe Hunted Lodge and we spent a few
days together and it was amazing,absolutely amazing. And I remember Robert,
we got out of the we gotout of the helicopter. Now we got
out of the plane, and whenthen we went over and we were getting
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in the helicopter and I think yousaid, you see that jet and that
yet those guys are the ones thatare going to be over at the Hunting
lodge or something, and it gotin my mind, Okay, these are
some probably some pretty important men.And we took that helicopter up the lamb
at they think, and we landedon the property and there was all these
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really you know, accomplished individuals,and I was intimidated. I remember,
right off the bed and they said, all right, we're gonna just let's
get to know you. We'll startwith you, Robert, tell us about
yourself. And I was next towhoever it was. I don't know if
it was you who started, butyeah, this is why I know there's
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a god as well one because itdidn't go from there to me. It
went around the room the other way. Oh so you had you got to
hear everybody's story. That was wewould not be sitting here today if they'd
gone the other way. Because theonly thing I knew was you pointing out
the planes. And I knew thesuccess level of these people, So I
thought, how do I how doI prove that I've got success? So
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I was gonna pull all these things, you know, all of these important
um things I owned accomplishment and thatwas good. I was gonna lead with
that. But by the time Igot to hear everybody's story. No one
led with those things. It didn'tmatter about that. We didn't care about
the thing. It was about whatit was about there, what they did
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in the life to make other peoplebetter, but they did to really become
a better human being. And man, I remember, I don't know if
you remember very well, but whenI got up there and then I was
like tears. It was about mylife and how you know I had a
child young and and my divorce.It was the first time you heard a
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story, or had you heard itbefore, I think since we were in
the Bible study for years. Yeah, I heard a lot of it here
and there. Yeah, so Idon't think that was my first, but
I just remember being like, wow, you know my whole growing up,
I you know, I wanted Igot in a lot of trouble then I
did. I wanted to make asmuch loans as I get, as many
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young ladies as I could. Iwas always after this growth of something as
I matured on, let's make asmuch money and build. And when I
met those men, I thought,I want to make the biggest difference I
can in the world. Right aboutimpact? It also a life that was
a life shift chance. Yeah,because God gives us some material advantages,
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not for our fun and not forit, but to be able to use
them. We are called stewards.We don't we leave this world with nothing.
Everyone's certain expression. You don't thinkof you all the haven, right,
So we enter this world naked,and we leave this world with nothing,
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right, and so everything we haveon planet Earth during our life today
tomorrow always is just an opportunity forus to be able to use these in
some way, shape or form.And hopefully it's to make the world a
better place. Hopefully it's to createmore freedom, it's to to you know,
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I love the line that Foster,one of your men. He always
said, it's not my money,it's God's money. He goes, if
you were asking for my money,it would't go anywhere because I'm very selfish.
But this isn't my money, it'sGod. So generous man. Yeah.
We had so many wonderful uh kindof splinters that came out of that
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group. But got to meet RichardWatts through that at that trip that my
attorney for the last twenty years,twenty years now, whatever, it's been
right, and you know, andthen um, you know, obviously you
being the one to marry us wasa pretty wonderful occasion, you know,
I um uh, it's probably beenthe highlight of of the wedding was when
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I kind of stumbled over a coupleof words there. Oh yeah, let's
talk a little bit about that.Probably one of the funniest lines in any
you know, We're gathered in thebackyard, You're we're on top of the
coverage couzy, we're in We're inthis mansion right, the overlooking the fantastic
view, five hundred of our closestfriends, right, and it's like they're
on the balcony, they're down below, and you've got the trumpeters from Disneyland
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with the full guard, the calicofrom KTLA flying overhead. It was quite
quite an ordeal. And then yeah, you think, and then there's that
line that all lines on every wedding, that line exists. It's like in
sickness and in health, and thenfor richer and for poor as Glenn if
I remember, I think we evenhave a clip of that. And then
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you chime in with the funniest linethat just broke all the tension and the
well, everyone's everyone's pretty serious.I've got my robe on, you know,
and my doctoral strives, so Ilook really official, right, So
I'm in I'm in full costume alongwith everybody else. You know. Mindy's
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got our dress on of course,and you've got and you've got the trumpet
players that are dressed like royal wear. Yeah, royal wearer. I mean
everyone's wearing their costumes and I'm wearingmy costumes. Everything is formal. So
ghen do you take this one?For better, for worse? For better?
Richard Richard, Yeah, that's atough one, isn't That's a that's
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a tough one, isn't it.Yeah, that's played out. That's everywhere
I think, even on Oprah,I think, yeah, but wonderful,
you know, um probably though oneof the more um important times of my
life where you've been there, Uh, Robert was in seven, right,
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there's you know for those that remember, oh seven is a little time of
financial crisis. You can look atthem anywhere with him. Brutal time financial
world. But no, honestly,it was horrible for for our um,
for our business. They're in thelending business, and it was a crash
and we were in the Bible studyat the time, and Glenn we were
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really you know, I told Glennat that time. I remember just saying,
look, if we're gonna have tolive in a cardboard box, I
will make it a very nice box. I'll do my best, like that's
kind of what decorate the box.I will make it as possible. I
mean, it was just kind ofthat place like we thought, Wow,
is this all gonna go away?What's going to happen? It was very
and you know, I'll tell youit's um it's interesting way. I just
remember you guys, you're coming inand you're you're you'd clearly had a hard
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day at work. I mean itwas and there was a lot on your
shoulders. And we would meet Ithink every week, and we would pray
for you, and every every weekwas like I'm hanging in there. I
remember Mendy saying, I remember youcoming and said I want to I want
Mendy to carry the camera and I'mgonna because you were moving out of your
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offices and I'm gonna personally do themoving. You said, Mindy's gonna take
the pictures because I want this documented. I want to be able to tell
my story. I want to beable to tell my story when I when
I get through this thing, that'sthe that's the optimism and the gride.
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And then I remember we were sittingdown in Los Cabos in October of sevens
on the beach bay in Chileno Bay, and we're sitting there on the on
the beach and you I said,so, how's it going, And you
go, I had my best monthever? No, I think it was
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in December. Yeah, I said, I said, I had. I
had last month, I had mybest month ever. This year, I'm
having my best month ever. Andand it was the best month ever ever
since and the reason, the reasonwas you were the last man standing.
He always says that whoever can holdtheir breath the longest. It's kind of
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like Navy seal training. You seethese navies on seals on the beach and
the water just being pounded by thewaves. That's how life is sometimes.
Whoever can maintain and hold the breath, you know it. Though. I
think what's interesting is so many ofa strive for success, and we think
we know what that means, right, I want to get to the top.
And and when we build something andit becomes successful, then you realize
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it's not about the fact that yougot somewhere. It's about now you have
to stay or you have to stayin there's a lot harder and so and
then what becomes important. In mycase, I had my name all over
these buildings. I had the communitythat knew, hey, he is successful.
And so there's a lot of egosnow that comes into play, right
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that I didn't realize. And whatI mean is when it started to really
crash, I'm just thinking, justyou know, it's okay to move things
around and do it, but don'tput the don't have the sign come down.
Then the community is going to knowyou failed, and all these things.
And when we sat down at thatBible study, and then when we
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finally kind of got to the bottom, right the bottom, that I realized,
I don't care if the sign comesdown. I don't care about what
other people think. There's all ofthat distraction and all of that outer pressure
really doesn't matter when it really getsdown to what's important. Right. And
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we had a friend of ours,so I think you introduced me to John
Lang and he gave us that brassplaque. I gave you one first.
I think you had it for awhile, and then I had gotten one
it settled on my desk in myoffice for for years. And and I
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remember when I was at my rockbottom and Mindy and I were in bed
and I was tossing and turning andhit the pill and fall asleep. This
was an unusual evening where he actuallycould not sleep, which was really rare.
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But he had a weight really bearingdown heavily on him. Yeah,
and I could not sleep. Andshe says, what's wrong? I said,
I just can't find any happiness.I said. Everywhere I look it's
dark. I said. Usually Ican go in my head to Fiji.
We had owned that home and Fijiback then, and I can just think
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about yeah, and I go,I go to Fiji in my mind.
But the hurricane had just come andblew the roof off that. So we've
got problems in Fiji. Like everywherethere's problems. And so I can find
no joy. And I'm laying hereand I just can't find any And so
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as I laid there, I gotso frustrated. I closed my eyes really
tight, and when I did,I could see those all white zingers like
in my eyes, you know,kind of floating around. And so I
sat there and I said, well, that's it. Don't focus on the
darkness like focus on the light.Right, just one day, I'm going
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to get through these clouds, andwhen I do, I'm going to be
in the sunshine. And so asI lay there, I saw myself bursting
through and I was just basking inthis light. And as I sat there
in the light, in my mindit went be still and know that I
am God. And I went andI said that this is that like two
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in the morning. And she sitsup and goes, why did you just
say that? I said, Idon't know. It just came to me.
Now, I'd have been sitting onmy desk for a couple of years.
I didn't even remember with forty sixten men almost you know what I
mean. It's like you don't thinkabout it every day. It's by the
way, it's Psalm forty six.And so as I as I said that,
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She's like, I was just goingto say that to you, Glenn.
And so that was a weird littleYeah. I had been thinking,
like, is he giving it up? Is he ever look at that plaque?
Does he really know what I like, I'm literally having these questions in
his mind. I wonder if heknows let me. Now, it's not
my job to, you know,tell him what to do. I can
make suggestions, but in my mindI knew this is Glen's journey. I'd
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been married long enough to know hewill figure it out on his own time.
And I really wanted that to besomething that he focused on without me
saying here, he thought about this, think about this. Why not?
Because he really is better at justworking things out. And it just it
came so spontaneously, and it wasjust I was filled with such like,
oh my goodness, this is exactlywhat we need right now, is just
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to give it up. So itwas a one wonderful moment. And then
I slept like a baby after that, and I woke up and I gathered
everybody at the office because we hadjust gone down to the bare bones.
And I got everybody together and Itold them the story, and I said,
you know it, we're going tobe okay. I don't know what
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this looks like in the end,but we're not. This isn't a health
crisis. This is just an issueto solve. It's just the problem solve.
It's not going to be the endof our lives. But maybe this
journey is going to take a turn. Who knows. And then that evening
we had our Bible study and Iremember you got us together, let's pray,
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and I remember what I said toI said, you know, Robert,
it's going to be okay. Ireally understand. And it finally did
I realize, it's not who weare at the height of our success,
it's who are we when we gotour backs against the wall when you're at
the bottom. And it really thenit felt like anybody that I've ever known,
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whether it was your dad, whetherit was George Jorge Rose, whether
it was anybody that's had success,has gone through the fire, have had
to have so much to overcome,and it doesn't happen easily. And so
that was just my turn. AndI felt so much better at that moment.
It's amazing, But you were,you know, you were right there,
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Andy. In your career in life, how many times have you seen
that kind of transition when someone finallygets it that just give it up to
God, Like, what is youradvice for people out there that are going
through their own journey? I mean, Glenn had his and that was a
very significant turning point in his inour lives. So what do you say
to people, Well, that's whatI do. I help people come to
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their realization that life is a lotmore than financial success or whatever their picture
of success is. It's a matterof being. You know, if you
if you take forty six ten internedinto meditation, you start with the full
thing, be still, I knowthat I'm gone, and you just stay
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and meditate on that, just thinkabout it. Then you go to the
next state, be still, ano, be still, and then finally
be so so you can break itdown in a lot of different ways,
but just slowly break it down towhere it's just being. And that's a
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great way to meditate on scripture.And so it's what I do. Yes,
so you say how many? Andthere's just so many people that reach
out to me and ask about,you know, how can I become successful?
And it's it's so simple and yetso difficult to have people understand that
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they have to go through their ownpersonal journey to be able to feel comfortable
within their own skin, to beable to be able to just go and
be them and be authentic. Andwhen you do that and then you start
to measure hopefully. I've also lovethe you know, never measure yourself with
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someone else's ruler, right, Like, get within yourself and realize that you
need to be the best you youcan be. And when you start figuring
that out, it's not about themoney, it's not about all the fancy
planes and things, right, it'sabout living comfortably within yourself and then trying
to make a difference to others.And when you got that down, you
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can feel pretty good about yourself andthen confidence comes and then people are attracted
to that. You know, it'spretty easy, but again it's right,
but it's hard. It's a journey. It's a personal journey, and that's
part of the you know, youlook at the grit in life. You
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really can't fully appreciate the success bothpersonally, spiritually emotionally until you've been through
the grit of being down and challenged. And I think everybody has that and
everybody has challenge. Well, Glennhas had more than his fair share.
Yeah, let's you know, wecan fast forward. You know, he
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talks about at the time when hewas in two thousand and seventy, He's
like, well, we've got ourhealth, we're good. It's not this
And then guess what guess what showsup a few years later when he starts
getting a little too big for hisbridges. God keeps knocking on Glenn's door
and saying, you're forgetting you geta little into yourself right now, so
you take yourself too serious. AndI've always said that to other people,
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and then sometimes I forget myself that. You know, we can't start believe
in you know, that we're betterthan anybody you know, or that we
think we've accomplished something that puts usin a place that's uh, you know,
when we get the ego involved again, I think it's a bad place
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to be. But yeah, itwas. I was humming on all cylinders.
I had the biggest mortgage business.I was successful financially, and nothing
was going to stop me except fora little thing called cancer. You know
that'll slow you down down a littlebit. Do you remember that when you
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learned about that and then you metyou, you were a good guidance through
that time too. There was alot of help that you provided spiritually,
emotionally. I think that was probablyhis most formidable opponent. I have no
idea. I cannot remember what Isaid, but what I do know is
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that I reminded you that it's notin our hands, it's in God's hands,
and that we'll get through this oneday at a time. And that's
all you can do, is youface life one day at a time,
realizing that every day we have asa gift. That's that's the truth here.
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I think right now, I'm inthe epitome of health. Yeah,
but i could find out I havea cancer diagnose tomorrow, right but I
feel like I have the epitome ofhealth, and I feel like I'm going
to live to one hundred and twentytoday. But the fact of the matter
is I could get in a correcttomorrow or on the way home. And
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so I think one of the mostimportant things we can do in life is
be prepared for death. And that'swhat Christianity is all about. That's my
message is helping the people realize thatevery single moment we have as a gift
from God. God gave us thebreath we have, and that breath could
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be taken away at any moment,and so we're to live in the moment.
We're to live with thanksgiving in ourhearts because God's given us this moment.
And then we just keep moving anddoing everything we can to be the
people that God wants us to be. I heard the best my dad told
me the other day about faith.I thought this was an interesting way of
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approaching it, because there's those thatbelieve nothing. They're atheists, They're like,
there's no God. That's their faith, and that's their faith. And
then there's those that are He says, faith is like a gamble. It's
a gamble, so why not gambleon the possibility that it exists? And
if you're wrong, all right,you lost the gamble. But if you're
right, how beautiful that would be. So if you don't believe, you
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might as might as well gamble onbelieving, because if it's something amazing,
why not kinda kind of head yourback on the heavens? Right? Well
here, well, look, ifyou're talking, if you're talking numbers,
I remember Glenn saying when he gotthe cancer, they gave him a fifty
fifty chance of survival. And soso basically what you're telling me is it
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the toin cost a coin toss isa toin cost okay coin a toss heads
their tails, you know. Andand but when we look at we look
at life, and we look atwhere we are in this planet. If
you look at the statistics, thefact that this planet Earth exists, exists
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at all. Sitians have looked atthat and say it's one in ten to
the fortieth power. That's a lotof zeros. So people who don't know
what we're talking about, fortieth powerjust means forty zeros after ten, that's
more than the debt, okay,the national debt is Then the fact that
this that's just the fact that thisthis planet could exist in the universe.
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Then the fact that this planet canhold life because it's is you had another
forty zeros because of all of theintricacies involved with the planet of pulling life,
it has to be so many soclose to to the to a sun.
The sun has to be the rightsize. You have to have the
moons. You the right moon andthe right size and the right place and
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the right distance a lot, Imean, the the the right amount of
oxygen. You have to have thestratosphere to keep the oxygen in right right.
I don't know all the details.I may it may not be a
scientist listening to me. It's goingit's not a stratosphere. It's what other
you know, whatever keeps the oxygen. And then and then the fact that
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we have intelligent life. You justadd that much more to the point where
life as we know it as humanbeings it the the fact that that just
happened to come along would be likeus, We're gonna go to the remotest
place in the entire world on ourbirthday, just for a walk. And
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as we're walking, we see onthe side of the hill spelled out Happy
Birthday, Glenn and the date.Now did that just is it? What
are the odds of something like thathappening? You would you would immediately say,
somebody put those rocks there right,right right? And how much would
you how much money would you putdown that somebody put those rocks there,
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as opposed to it just happened.Nobody put those rocks there right? I
mean, would you ever bet onit just happened? Right? So,
the fact that we are here,the fact that we have this life,
the fact that God lives, thefact that God has a relationship with us,
And then we get into how dowe have this relationship with God?
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And we look at Jesus Christ andwe look at his ability to fulfill the
prophecies. We're just talking mathematics here. So there's all these prophecies in the
Old Testament, and what's the likelihoodof one man fulfilling these prophecies? And
again you get into numbers with andone to the to the tenth or twentieth
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power that he could actually fulfill theseprophecies. And he fulfilled over four hundred
and fifty prophecies, which and ifif you just take eight one man for
eight of these, I think it'ssomething like an one intent to these.
And yet he did. He fulfilledover four hundred and fifty prophecies. So
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you gotta go, Wow, maybethere's something to this Jesus guy. Maybe
he was more than just a prophecyTony Robbins of his time. And we
can go on down the line.And the point is it requires extensively more
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faith not to believe. That's aheavy good. I love that way of
put it. It's harder to notbelieve. It's you have to have exceptional.
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So you know, we, uh, we've had this threat of faith
in our lives, UM, andwe've walked I think UM in a business
world where you know, you startto see a couple of companies stand out
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like UM Chick fil a and umAlaska Airlines, hobby lobby, and you
get these where maybe you know,and you think, and I've always felt
like I will leave it allow peopleto to do it. In business,
I kind of say, okay,let's put over there. But those that
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are not, uh fraid, maybehe's the right word to allow their faith
to kind of um be a publicguide seemed to have done pretty well,
you know. And because you also, you don't have to work at a
company or believe a company, oryou don't have to be a Christian to
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eat a chicken sandwich, right,but it shared has help to know that
they've got a guiding light, youknow. And so it's interesting. So
we've kind of again woven our waythrough our business world with people knowing that,
you know, we have faith anda belief in Jesus. At the
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same time we allow people to bewhat they want to be, you know.
Um. And so you've been thedear part of our lives with that,
with that again, that string ofum what am I trying to say?
But just the consistency you know thathas run through a guiding light.
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You know. You're kind of asportive sorts, you know, And and
I'd like to ask. I knowwe got to own a wrap up.
You'll hear in a little bit that, Um, the book is called integrity.
What does the word mean to you? What does integrity mean to you?
You're gonna sell a couple where you'llsell more than two, so I'll
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buy one. One should be thereshould be a marketing company called forty six
ten. That'd be a good marketingcompany. So what does the word like
if you were to describe it ordefine it in your world? What does
integrity mean to you? To me, it's just being honest, honest with
yourself, honest with your family,honest with your people, honest in your
business. Uh, it's speaking thetruth as you see it, as you
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understand it. It's living in inyour moral code that you have for yourself
and being truthful in every way.You can love that. And you know
what I love to add on that, just to Kevin, I think using
the gifts God gave you is areal important of integrity. If you've waste
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those gifts, what an insult toyourself, to your creator, to your
creation. Like we all have gifts, how are you stepping into your gift?
How are you honoring those gifts thatyou've been given, and I think
you've done a really nice job ofthat, really good. Well here you
are, you're doing this blog andI'm thinking to myself, if I'm driving
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here, why is Glenn doing this? Doesn't have to do this. He
could, He's got he could,he could go and be laying on a
beach in Mexico or a Fiji.I know you've done all that, and
I'm going and I sit here andI and without me asking the question,
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you've answered it. You're doing thisbecause it's a calling. And a calling
is different than just a I wantto be. A calling is when you
do something because you know you haveto do it because it's a calling,
comes from God. God wants youto do it, and you know that.
And that's why I went and startedthe church. You know, we
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started this conversation with the church.I'm gonna make a whole circle a circle
here. Sixty years later to theday, my dad held his first drive
in shirt service in the Orange Drivein Theater. Sixty years to the date,
March twenty twenty. All the churchesin Orange County quit holding services for
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two weeks, but it wasn't fortwo weeks it all ended up being a
long time. So so God calledme out of semi retirement and I started
holding services on the last Sunday ofMarch. And in it wasn't it was
a drive It wasn't a drive in. It was a mark a lot,
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but it was people drove in andthey listened on their radio, and people
would look at each other through thecars and wave and and they were together,
and we were singing together. We'reworshiping God together. And I think
I could do that because I knewhow effective a drive in church could be,
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because I had lived at my wholelife right and so I realized that
this is something that can happen.Uh and uh, it was so beautiful.
So where can people find you now? And where can can we follow
you? Where are you Instagram?Where are you? The best best way
to connect me with me is doctorSchuler dot org, doctor Schuler dot sc
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h U L l e R dotorg, Doctor Schuler dot org. We've
got to we meet here in NewportBeach at the Community Center, one hundred
Civic Center Drive at ten am everySunday morning. We we have you know,
if you go to our website,you can all of our connections on
Facebook and all the different social mediaand schuler Don work. You can find
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all your social media hookups and everythingon Facebook, Chill Ministry. You have
been a big part of our livesobviously again you've been woven throughout the book
with a lot of connection and allof yourself written quite a few books yourself.
You know that journey, it's it'sit's an interesting journey. So absolutely
appreciate the friendship and the just everybit of advice you've given me. So
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it's well, I can't begin totell you how much I've appreciated my friendship
with you guys, um Don andI love you more than you'll ever know.
I was listening to your podcast thismorning and I think it was episode
thirty three, and you started quotingmy dad tough times never last, Tough
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people do not your favorite number,and how interest and you were reading it
on the way You're seeing there's alot of coincidences. God shots everywhere.
If you're looking for him, you'llsee him. It's got to be open
up too well, doctor Schuler Robert, thank you for joining us on this
episode today as we wrap another andbe listening wherever you get your podcast check
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in. It's on social media,on YouTube Grit Happens. You can find
us everywhere, so please join us. Order your book already available for pre
order and it may twenty three.No, let me push it, let
me push it. Thank you again. You've been listening to another episode of
Stay It with Me Happen? Amen? Can I get an amen?
Hi, I'm Mindy Stern and thisis Grit Happens. On this show,
we engage in candid conversations with someof the most successful people in every field
and from every walk of life,oh with the common thread of grit and
the common goal of not just surviving, but thriving. And we hope the
show helps you feel informed, energized, and especially inspired. So let's get
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started. This is Grit Happens.Welcome Grit Happens. It's another episode in
our continuing series of talking about Glenn'sforthcoming book novel Memost business book, your
debut. It's your debut, forthcoming. That's a big word. I know
it's a big word for him.It's you know, we're here anyway today.
(00:53):
We're really excited to bring someone whois very much a part of the
book that Glenn is written, verymuch part of our lives, very much
part of our lives. Yeah,because well we've been married twenty years this
year and you were there on thatdate of our wedding, and being there,
did I minimize you officiated the wedding. You wouldn't have been married that
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day if I wasn't there. Verydifficult, good new on this Jacuzzi on
here on the firmament below and thefermative that you would be standing on a
Jacuzi getting married out with you.You delivered. You delivered with such grace
and humor. So let's introduce him. Doctor you know your audience, and
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doctor Reverend Robert Schuller, who ishere with us, a long time friend
yourself, an author, preacher,pastor, reverend, all of the above.
You have your own congregation, You'vebeen through it up and down,
great story, great history with yourfather, a legacy. Do you want
to like kind of talk about thatfirst and go there? Love too,
because a lot of mean you've gota specific audience. There might be another
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audience out there and doesn't know alot of the history. But I would
love if you don't mind talk alittle bit about the full circle that's come
from your dad when he started outin Orange County, which there's so many
pillars, and I talked about alot of people that have really were the
founding members of Orange County and yourfather was one of those members that really
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helped really grow this amazing community andthen how it kind of came full circle.
Durving Covid, Well, I've beenhere all my life. Yeah,
I was six months old and mydad started the church. He was called
Orange County to start a church.And every single place he looked was filled.
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He tried the mortuary, there wasalready the church meeting there. He
tried the schools. There already churchesmeeting there. He tried the Jewish temple.
There was already somebody meeting there.You name it. He had a
list of ten things. There wasone place that wasn't occupied, and that
was the Orange drive in theater.I love that and driving. For those
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of you that don't remember what adrive in is, a generation that might
not even understand what I'm coming back. Actually, some of the coming back
now, there are a few around. Yeah, you get outside of Orange
County where the real estate is soldby the square foot instead of right that
sold to George County in New York, and some of these places you get
outside of these heavily populated metropolitan areas, and drive ins exist, right,
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and they're fun and they're really cool. But anyway, this he met in
the drive in theater because he waswaiting for the church to be built,
uh, and it was gonna betwo years. He didn't want to wait
two years to get gone. Sohe started meeting the drive in and that
was just amazing, and he hewhen the church opened two years later.
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There was one woman who came tochurch every Sunday and she was a parapolice
and her husband would put her inthe car they drive to the drive in
they'd have the driving service. Andback in the fifties when he started,
there wasn't handicap access anything. Theirhandicap access stuff didn't exist, so she
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couldn't get in any other churches.So they said, okay, she doesn't
have long to live, so we'rejust going to keep the driving going until
she passes. Beautiful. So sothat was so five years later she's still
she's still living, still coming tochurch every Sunday. And my dad's got
has been now for three years,has been going from one from the drive
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from the walk in church that theybuilt to the drive in church and making
this commute back in fourth six mileshaving two services, and that's when they
found ten acres of land halfway betweenthe two, which is where the where
the Chris Cathedral was built and uh, and they moved on to that facility
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and they had a drive in servicefor her on the same grounds, and
then they had a little just thefirst building that they had built for the
walk in church, and they'd go, he'd just have to walk from one
to the other and no center thatthey opened that walk in drive in and
she passed. Really, it's kindof the way God leads, you know,
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It's kind of the way God itgot happy in life, like the
way Glenn and I met. Yeah, it's kind of comical, and yet
it's it's the way God intended it. God has a sense of humor.
And then then when we met,and how God has just interwoven our lives
together over the past. Yeah,I don't know how many years it's been
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a walk and I'll tell you.Um. You know, when I try
to talk to younger people, Iexplain how important it is for them to
find mentors and people that can helpthem navigate through a lot of issues that
maybe they don't have to hit theirheads against the wall, someone else has
done it for them. Yeah,You've been such a big part of connecting
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me to a lot of people thatreally helped me along my business. It
really was. You know, oneof Glen's our most treasured associations is with
the Horatial Elder Association, which yourfather was a member, and we first
heard of it. I remember goingto a celebration of your parents and Palm
Springs. The Arjuroses were m seeing. We were sitting with Ed McMahon and
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Glenn's like, I want to bein this organization, and I'm like,
I bet we could find someone thatcan figure it out. And that just
beautiful story wove its way into oneor most beautiful just in passing, Glenn
said, you know I've put inmy application. I'm putting in my application
for Horatial Elder. Do you rememberwhat I said? I said, don't
bother dude you're running for like thisis a this is a girl boys club.
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You gotta get in with the boysbefore they're gonna let you. I
can't just send in your application toexpect this to happen years for him took
a lot of pain, okay,to get into that organization. It's not
one that just they let you in. You've had to overcome a lot of
adversity and then been able to bounceback and have a lot of philanthropic endeavors
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as well. I think what you'retrying to say is you have to have
a lot of gritty happened. Wewere just there recently, and the entire
theme of the whole weekend was allabout integrity. That word came up so
many times, and like your bookcould not be coming at a more appropriate
time. But but I'll go backto when we met Foster and Mike and
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what a wonderful trip that was becauseone one of Glen's overreaching, our very
important principles of life is to havea mentorship group. And you really were
so integral in introducing him to thisgroup of men, my Ingram, Foster,
Freeze and that gang of gentlemen whowere very they're godfearing men, god
loving men who really kind of mentoredyou specifically along the way. Absolutely.
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Yeah, Foster flew us up tothe Hunted Lodge and we spent a few
days together and it was amazing,absolutely amazing. And I remember Robert,
we got out of the we gotout of the helicopter. Now we got
out of the plane, and whenthen we went over and we were getting
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in the helicopter and I think yousaid, you see that jet and that
yet those guys are the ones thatare going to be over at the Hunting
lodge or something, and it gotin my mind, Okay, these are
some probably some pretty important men.And we took that helicopter up the lamb
at they think, and we landedon the property and there was all these
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really you know, accomplished individuals,and I was intimidated. I remember,
right off the bed and they said, all right, we're gonna just let's
get to know you. We'll startwith you, Robert, tell us about
yourself. And I was next towhoever it was. I don't know if
it was you who started, butyeah, this is why I know there's
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a god as well one because itdidn't go from there to me. It
went around the room the other way. Oh so you had you got to
hear everybody's story. That was wewould not be sitting here today if they'd
gone the other way. Because theonly thing I knew was you pointing out
the planes. And I knew thesuccess level of these people, So I
thought, how do I how doI prove that I've got success? So
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I was gonna pull all these things, you know, all of these important
um things I owned accomplishment and thatwas good. I was gonna lead with
that. But by the time Igot to hear everybody's story. No one
led with those things. It didn'tmatter about that. We didn't care about
the thing. It was about whatit was about there, what they did
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in the life to make other peoplebetter, but they did to really become
a better human being. And man, I remember, I don't know if
you remember very well, but whenI got up there and then I was
like tears. It was about mylife and how you know I had a
child young and and my divorce.It was the first time you heard a
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story, or had you heard itbefore, I think since we were in
the Bible study for years. Yeah, I heard a lot of it here
and there. Yeah, so Idon't think that was my first, but
I just remember being like, wow, you know my whole growing up,
I you know, I wanted Igot in a lot of trouble then I
did. I wanted to make asmuch loans as I get, as many
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young ladies as I could. Iwas always after this growth of something as
I matured on, let's make asmuch money and build. And when I
met those men, I thought,I want to make the biggest difference I
can in the world. Right aboutimpact? It also a life that was
a life shift chance. Yeah,because God gives us some material advantages,
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not for our fun and not forit, but to be able to use
them. We are called stewards.We don't we leave this world with nothing.
Everyone's certain expression. You don't thinkof you all the haven, right,
So we enter this world naked,and we leave this world with nothing,
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right, and so everything we haveon planet Earth during our life today
tomorrow always is just an opportunity forus to be able to use these in
some way, shape or form.And hopefully it's to make the world a
better place. Hopefully it's to createmore freedom, it's to to you know,
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I love the line that Foster,one of your men. He always
said, it's not my money,it's God's money. He goes, if
you were asking for my money,it would't go anywhere because I'm very selfish.
But this isn't my money, it'sGod. So generous man. Yeah.
We had so many wonderful uh kindof splinters that came out of that
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group. But got to meet RichardWatts through that at that trip that my
attorney for the last twenty years,twenty years now, whatever, it's been
right, and you know, andthen um, you know, obviously you
being the one to marry us wasa pretty wonderful occasion, you know,
I um uh, it's probably beenthe highlight of of the wedding was when
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I kind of stumbled over a coupleof words there. Oh yeah, let's
talk a little bit about that.Probably one of the funniest lines in any
you know, We're gathered in thebackyard, You're we're on top of the
coverage couzy, we're in We're inthis mansion right, the overlooking the fantastic
view, five hundred of our closestfriends, right, and it's like they're
on the balcony, they're down below, and you've got the trumpeters from Disneyland
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with the full guard, the calicofrom KTLA flying overhead. It was quite
quite an ordeal. And then yeah, you think, and then there's that
line that all lines on every wedding, that line exists. It's like in
sickness and in health, and thenfor richer and for poor as Glenn if
I remember, I think we evenhave a clip of that. And then
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you chime in with the funniest linethat just broke all the tension and the
well, everyone's everyone's pretty serious.I've got my robe on, you know,
and my doctoral strives, so Ilook really official, right, So
I'm in I'm in full costume alongwith everybody else. You know. Mindy's
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got our dress on of course,and you've got and you've got the trumpet
players that are dressed like royal wear. Yeah, royal wearer. I mean
everyone's wearing their costumes and I'm wearingmy costumes. Everything is formal. So
ghen do you take this one?For better, for worse? For better?
Richard Richard, Yeah, that's atough one, isn't That's a that's
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a tough one, isn't it.Yeah, that's played out. That's everywhere
I think, even on Oprah,I think, yeah, but wonderful,
you know, um probably though oneof the more um important times of my
life where you've been there, Uh, Robert was in seven, right,
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there's you know for those that remember, oh seven is a little time of
financial crisis. You can look atthem anywhere with him. Brutal time financial
world. But no, honestly,it was horrible for for our um,
for our business. They're in thelending business, and it was a crash
and we were in the Bible studyat the time, and Glenn we were
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really you know, I told Glennat that time. I remember just saying,
look, if we're gonna have tolive in a cardboard box, I
will make it a very nice box. I'll do my best, like that's
kind of what decorate the box.I will make it as possible. I
mean, it was just kind ofthat place like we thought, Wow,
is this all gonna go away?What's going to happen? It was very
and you know, I'll tell youit's um it's interesting way. I just
remember you guys, you're coming inand you're you're you'd clearly had a hard
(15:37):
day at work. I mean itwas and there was a lot on your
shoulders. And we would meet Ithink every week, and we would pray
for you, and every every weekwas like I'm hanging in there. I
remember Mendy saying, I remember youcoming and said I want to I want
Mendy to carry the camera and I'mgonna because you were moving out of your
(15:58):
offices and I'm gonna personally do themoving. You said, Mindy's gonna take
the pictures because I want this documented. I want to be able to tell
my story. I want to beable to tell my story when I when
I get through this thing, that'sthe that's the optimism and the gride.
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And then I remember we were sittingdown in Los Cabos in October of sevens
on the beach bay in Chileno Bay, and we're sitting there on the on
the beach and you I said,so, how's it going, And you
go, I had my best monthever? No, I think it was
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in December. Yeah, I said, I said, I had. I
had last month, I had mybest month ever. This year, I'm
having my best month ever. Andand it was the best month ever ever
since and the reason, the reasonwas you were the last man standing.
He always says that whoever can holdtheir breath the longest. It's kind of
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like Navy seal training. You seethese navies on seals on the beach and
the water just being pounded by thewaves. That's how life is sometimes.
Whoever can maintain and hold the breath, you know it. Though. I
think what's interesting is so many ofa strive for success, and we think
we know what that means, right, I want to get to the top.
And and when we build something andit becomes successful, then you realize
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it's not about the fact that yougot somewhere. It's about now you have
to stay or you have to stayin there's a lot harder and so and
then what becomes important. In mycase, I had my name all over
these buildings. I had the communitythat knew, hey, he is successful.
And so there's a lot of egosnow that comes into play, right
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that I didn't realize. And whatI mean is when it started to really
crash, I'm just thinking, justyou know, it's okay to move things
around and do it, but don'tput the don't have the sign come down.
Then the community is going to knowyou failed, and all these things.
And when we sat down at thatBible study, and then when we
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finally kind of got to the bottom, right the bottom, that I realized,
I don't care if the sign comesdown. I don't care about what
other people think. There's all ofthat distraction and all of that outer pressure
really doesn't matter when it really getsdown to what's important. Right. And
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we had a friend of ours,so I think you introduced me to John
Lang and he gave us that brassplaque. I gave you one first.
I think you had it for awhile, and then I had gotten one
it settled on my desk in myoffice for for years. And and I
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remember when I was at my rockbottom and Mindy and I were in bed
and I was tossing and turning andhit the pill and fall asleep. This
was an unusual evening where he actuallycould not sleep, which was really rare.
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But he had a weight really bearingdown heavily on him. Yeah,
and I could not sleep. Andshe says, what's wrong? I said,
I just can't find any happiness.I said. Everywhere I look it's
dark. I said. Usually Ican go in my head to Fiji.
We had owned that home and Fijiback then, and I can just think
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about yeah, and I go,I go to Fiji in my mind.
But the hurricane had just come andblew the roof off that. So we've
got problems in Fiji. Like everywherethere's problems. And so I can find
no joy. And I'm laying hereand I just can't find any And so
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as I laid there, I gotso frustrated. I closed my eyes really
tight, and when I did,I could see those all white zingers like
in my eyes, you know,kind of floating around. And so I
sat there and I said, well, that's it. Don't focus on the
darkness like focus on the light.Right, just one day, I'm going
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to get through these clouds, andwhen I do, I'm going to be
in the sunshine. And so asI lay there, I saw myself bursting
through and I was just basking inthis light. And as I sat there
in the light, in my mindit went be still and know that I
am God. And I went andI said that this is that like two
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in the morning. And she sitsup and goes, why did you just
say that? I said, Idon't know. It just came to me.
Now, I'd have been sitting onmy desk for a couple of years.
I didn't even remember with forty sixten men almost you know what I
mean. It's like you don't thinkabout it every day. It's by the
way, it's Psalm forty six.And so as I as I said that,
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She's like, I was just goingto say that to you, Glenn.
And so that was a weird littleYeah. I had been thinking,
like, is he giving it up? Is he ever look at that plaque?
Does he really know what I like, I'm literally having these questions in
his mind. I wonder if heknows let me. Now, it's not
my job to, you know,tell him what to do. I can
make suggestions, but in my mindI knew this is Glen's journey. I'd
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been married long enough to know hewill figure it out on his own time.
And I really wanted that to besomething that he focused on without me
saying here, he thought about this, think about this. Why not?
Because he really is better at justworking things out. And it just it
came so spontaneously, and it wasjust I was filled with such like,
oh my goodness, this is exactlywhat we need right now, is just
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to give it up. So itwas a one wonderful moment. And then
I slept like a baby after that, and I woke up and I gathered
everybody at the office because we hadjust gone down to the bare bones.
And I got everybody together and Itold them the story, and I said,
you know it, we're going tobe okay. I don't know what
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this looks like in the end,but we're not. This isn't a health
crisis. This is just an issueto solve. It's just the problem solve.
It's not going to be the endof our lives. But maybe this
journey is going to take a turn. Who knows. And then that evening
we had our Bible study and Iremember you got us together, let's pray,
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and I remember what I said toI said, you know, Robert,
it's going to be okay. Ireally understand. And it finally did
I realize, it's not who weare at the height of our success,
it's who are we when we gotour backs against the wall when you're at
the bottom. And it really thenit felt like anybody that I've ever known,
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whether it was your dad, whetherit was George Jorge Rose, whether
it was anybody that's had success,has gone through the fire, have had
to have so much to overcome,and it doesn't happen easily. And so
that was just my turn. AndI felt so much better at that moment.
It's amazing, But you were,you know, you were right there,
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Andy. In your career in life, how many times have you seen
that kind of transition when someone finallygets it that just give it up to
God, Like, what is youradvice for people out there that are going
through their own journey? I mean, Glenn had his and that was a
very significant turning point in his inour lives. So what do you say
to people, Well, that's whatI do. I help people come to
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their realization that life is a lotmore than financial success or whatever their picture
of success is. It's a matterof being. You know, if you
if you take forty six ten internedinto meditation, you start with the full
thing, be still, I knowthat I'm gone, and you just stay
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and meditate on that, just thinkabout it. Then you go to the
next state, be still, ano, be still, and then finally
be so so you can break itdown in a lot of different ways,
but just slowly break it down towhere it's just being. And that's a
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great way to meditate on scripture.And so it's what I do. Yes,
so you say how many? Andthere's just so many people that reach
out to me and ask about,you know, how can I become successful?
And it's it's so simple and yetso difficult to have people understand that
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they have to go through their ownpersonal journey to be able to feel comfortable
within their own skin, to beable to be able to just go and
be them and be authentic. Andwhen you do that and then you start
to measure hopefully. I've also lovethe you know, never measure yourself with
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someone else's ruler, right, Like, get within yourself and realize that you
need to be the best you youcan be. And when you start figuring
that out, it's not about themoney, it's not about all the fancy
planes and things, right, it'sabout living comfortably within yourself and then trying
to make a difference to others.And when you got that down, you
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can feel pretty good about yourself andthen confidence comes and then people are attracted
to that. You know, it'spretty easy, but again it's right,
but it's hard. It's a journey. It's a personal journey, and that's
part of the you know, youlook at the grit in life. You
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really can't fully appreciate the success bothpersonally, spiritually emotionally until you've been through
the grit of being down and challenged. And I think everybody has that and
everybody has challenge. Well, Glennhas had more than his fair share.
Yeah, let's you know, wecan fast forward. You know, he
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talks about at the time when hewas in two thousand and seventy, He's
like, well, we've got ourhealth, we're good. It's not this
And then guess what guess what showsup a few years later when he starts
getting a little too big for hisbridges. God keeps knocking on Glenn's door
and saying, you're forgetting you geta little into yourself right now, so
you take yourself too serious. AndI've always said that to other people,
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and then sometimes I forget myself that. You know, we can't start believe
in you know, that we're betterthan anybody you know, or that we
think we've accomplished something that puts usin a place that's uh, you know,
when we get the ego involved again, I think it's a bad place
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to be. But yeah, itwas. I was humming on all cylinders.
I had the biggest mortgage business.I was successful financially, and nothing
was going to stop me except fora little thing called cancer. You know
that'll slow you down down a littlebit. Do you remember that when you
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learned about that and then you metyou, you were a good guidance through
that time too. There was alot of help that you provided spiritually,
emotionally. I think that was probablyhis most formidable opponent. I have no
idea. I cannot remember what Isaid, but what I do know is
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that I reminded you that it's notin our hands, it's in God's hands,
and that we'll get through this oneday at a time. And that's
all you can do, is youface life one day at a time,
realizing that every day we have asa gift. That's that's the truth here.
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I think right now, I'm inthe epitome of health. Yeah,
but i could find out I havea cancer diagnose tomorrow, right but I
feel like I have the epitome ofhealth, and I feel like I'm going
to live to one hundred and twentytoday. But the fact of the matter
is I could get in a correcttomorrow or on the way home. And
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so I think one of the mostimportant things we can do in life is
be prepared for death. And that'swhat Christianity is all about. That's my
message is helping the people realize thatevery single moment we have as a gift
from God. God gave us thebreath we have, and that breath could
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be taken away at any moment,and so we're to live in the moment.
We're to live with thanksgiving in ourhearts because God's given us this moment.
And then we just keep moving anddoing everything we can to be the
people that God wants us to be. I heard the best my dad told
me the other day about faith.I thought this was an interesting way of
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approaching it, because there's those thatbelieve nothing. They're atheists, They're like,
there's no God. That's their faith, and that's their faith. And
then there's those that are He says, faith is like a gamble. It's
a gamble, so why not gambleon the possibility that it exists? And
if you're wrong, all right,you lost the gamble. But if you're
right, how beautiful that would be. So if you don't believe, you
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might as might as well gamble onbelieving, because if it's something amazing,
why not kinda kind of head yourback on the heavens? Right? Well
here, well, look, ifyou're talking, if you're talking numbers,
I remember Glenn saying when he gotthe cancer, they gave him a fifty
fifty chance of survival. And soso basically what you're telling me is it
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the toin cost a coin toss isa toin cost okay coin a toss heads
their tails, you know. Andand but when we look at we look
at life, and we look atwhere we are in this planet. If
you look at the statistics, thefact that this planet Earth exists, exists
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at all. Sitians have looked atthat and say it's one in ten to
the fortieth power. That's a lotof zeros. So people who don't know
what we're talking about, fortieth powerjust means forty zeros after ten, that's
more than the debt, okay,the national debt is Then the fact that
this that's just the fact that thisthis planet could exist in the universe.
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Then the fact that this planet canhold life because it's is you had another
forty zeros because of all of theintricacies involved with the planet of pulling life,
it has to be so many soclose to to the to a sun.
The sun has to be the rightsize. You have to have the
moons. You the right moon andthe right size and the right place and
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the right distance a lot, Imean, the the the right amount of
oxygen. You have to have thestratosphere to keep the oxygen in right right.
I don't know all the details.I may it may not be a
scientist listening to me. It's goingit's not a stratosphere. It's what other
you know, whatever keeps the oxygen. And then and then the fact that
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we have intelligent life. You justadd that much more to the point where
life as we know it as humanbeings it the the fact that that just
happened to come along would be likeus, We're gonna go to the remotest
place in the entire world on ourbirthday, just for a walk. And
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as we're walking, we see onthe side of the hill spelled out Happy
Birthday, Glenn and the date.Now did that just is it? What
are the odds of something like thathappening? You would you would immediately say,
somebody put those rocks there right,right right? And how much would
you how much money would you putdown that somebody put those rocks there,
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as opposed to it just happened.Nobody put those rocks there right? I
mean, would you ever bet onit just happened? Right? So,
the fact that we are here,the fact that we have this life,
the fact that God lives, thefact that God has a relationship with us,
And then we get into how dowe have this relationship with God?
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And we look at Jesus Christ andwe look at his ability to fulfill the
prophecies. We're just talking mathematics here. So there's all these prophecies in the
Old Testament, and what's the likelihoodof one man fulfilling these prophecies? And
again you get into numbers with andone to the to the tenth or twentieth
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power that he could actually fulfill theseprophecies. And he fulfilled over four hundred
and fifty prophecies, which and ifif you just take eight one man for
eight of these, I think it'ssomething like an one intent to these.
And yet he did. He fulfilledover four hundred and fifty prophecies. So
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you gotta go, Wow, maybethere's something to this Jesus guy. Maybe
he was more than just a prophecyTony Robbins of his time. And we
can go on down the line.And the point is it requires extensively more
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faith not to believe. That's aheavy good. I love that way of
put it. It's harder to notbelieve. It's you have to have exceptional.
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So you know, we, uh, we've had this threat of faith
in our lives, UM, andwe've walked I think UM in a business
world where you know, you startto see a couple of companies stand out
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like UM Chick fil a and umAlaska Airlines, hobby lobby, and you
get these where maybe you know,and you think, and I've always felt
like I will leave it allow peopleto to do it. In business,
I kind of say, okay,let's put over there. But those that
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are not, uh fraid, maybehe's the right word to allow their faith
to kind of um be a publicguide seemed to have done pretty well,
you know. And because you also, you don't have to work at a
company or believe a company, oryou don't have to be a Christian to
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eat a chicken sandwich, right,but it shared has help to know that
they've got a guiding light, youknow. And so it's interesting. So
we've kind of again woven our waythrough our business world with people knowing that,
you know, we have faith anda belief in Jesus. At the
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same time we allow people to bewhat they want to be, you know.
Um. And so you've been thedear part of our lives with that,
with that again, that string ofum what am I trying to say?
But just the consistency you know thathas run through a guiding light.
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You know. You're kind of asportive sorts, you know, And and
I'd like to ask. I knowwe got to own a wrap up.
You'll hear in a little bit that, Um, the book is called integrity.
What does the word mean to you? What does integrity mean to you?
You're gonna sell a couple where you'llsell more than two, so I'll
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buy one. One should be thereshould be a marketing company called forty six
ten. That'd be a good marketingcompany. So what does the word like
if you were to describe it ordefine it in your world? What does
integrity mean to you? To me, it's just being honest, honest with
yourself, honest with your family,honest with your people, honest in your
business. Uh, it's speaking thetruth as you see it, as you
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understand it. It's living in inyour moral code that you have for yourself
and being truthful in every way.You can love that. And you know
what I love to add on that, just to Kevin, I think using
the gifts God gave you is areal important of integrity. If you've waste
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those gifts, what an insult toyourself, to your creator, to your
creation. Like we all have gifts, how are you stepping into your gift?
How are you honoring those gifts thatyou've been given, and I think
you've done a really nice job ofthat, really good. Well here you
are, you're doing this blog andI'm thinking to myself, if I'm driving
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here, why is Glenn doing this? Doesn't have to do this. He
could, He's got he could,he could go and be laying on a
beach in Mexico or a Fiji.I know you've done all that, and
I'm going and I sit here andI and without me asking the question,
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you've answered it. You're doing thisbecause it's a calling. And a calling
is different than just a I wantto be. A calling is when you
do something because you know you haveto do it because it's a calling,
comes from God. God wants youto do it, and you know that.
And that's why I went and startedthe church. You know, we
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started this conversation with the church.I'm gonna make a whole circle a circle
here. Sixty years later to theday, my dad held his first drive
in shirt service in the Orange Drivein Theater. Sixty years to the date,
March twenty twenty. All the churchesin Orange County quit holding services for
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two weeks, but it wasn't fortwo weeks it all ended up being a
long time. So so God calledme out of semi retirement and I started
holding services on the last Sunday ofMarch. And in it wasn't it was
a drive It wasn't a drive in. It was a mark a lot,
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but it was people drove in andthey listened on their radio, and people
would look at each other through thecars and wave and and they were together,
and we were singing together. We'reworshiping God together. And I think
I could do that because I knewhow effective a drive in church could be,
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because I had lived at my wholelife right and so I realized that
this is something that can happen.Uh and uh, it was so beautiful.
So where can people find you now? And where can can we follow
you? Where are you Instagram?Where are you? The best best way
to connect me with me is doctorSchuler dot org, doctor Schuler dot sc
(39:45):
h U L l e R dotorg, Doctor Schuler dot org. We've
got to we meet here in NewportBeach at the Community Center, one hundred
Civic Center Drive at ten am everySunday morning. We we have you know,
if you go to our website,you can all of our connections on
Facebook and all the different social mediaand schuler Don work. You can find
(40:07):
all your social media hookups and everythingon Facebook, Chill Ministry. You have
been a big part of our livesobviously again you've been woven throughout the book
with a lot of connection and allof yourself written quite a few books yourself.
You know that journey, it's it'sit's an interesting journey. So absolutely
appreciate the friendship and the just everybit of advice you've given me. So
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it's well, I can't begin totell you how much I've appreciated my friendship
with you guys, um Don andI love you more than you'll ever know.
I was listening to your podcast thismorning and I think it was episode
thirty three, and you started quotingmy dad tough times never last, Tough
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people do not your favorite number,and how interest and you were reading it
on the way You're seeing there's alot of coincidences. God shots everywhere.
If you're looking for him, you'llsee him. It's got to be open
up too well, doctor Schuler Robert, thank you for joining us on this
episode today as we wrap another andbe listening wherever you get your podcast check
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in. It's on social media,on YouTube Grit Happens. You can find
us everywhere, so please join us. Order your book already available for pre
order and it may twenty three.No, let me push it, let
me push it. Thank you again. You've been listening to another episode of
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