May 5, 2023 • 47 mins
We talk to Laura Morton the co-writer of Integrity. We find out about the woman behind the name, and the genius behind the writer. We talk about what inspires us. Laura shares her Check off List of 3 that she requires to say “yes” to a new project. She shares what all Titans of Business have in common, and what surprised her most in learning about Glenn’s life journey.
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Hi, I'm mind Stern, andthis is Grit Happens. On this show,
we engage in candid conversations with someof the most successful people in every
field and from every walk of life, oh with the common thread of grit
and the common goal of not justsurviving, but thriving. And we hope
this show helps you feel informed,energized, and especially inspired. So let's
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get started. This is Happened.It's a very exciting time. Is it
a very exciting time because you finallydid what everyone's been telling you to do
for a very, very, veryvery long time. I know by yourself,
I couldn't and so I have notspoken to Laura, who's going to
be on here in a second rightat all. Yet I started to write
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when I opened the box, whichwas very exciting, and then I tried
to call you a couple of times, and then finally I thought, wait
a minute, we're gonna be onwith her. So I'm gonna wait.
So I'm saving it like Christmas.You're like our Christmas morning, just opening
up right now. So anyway,let's bring her in. Let's bring her
in it. That's right, ladiesand gentlemen. Now best selling author New
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York Times was it twenty one?Now New York Times Best Selling, twenty
two best twenty two La Marte Hello, Hello for someone to tell you,
I feel like I'm a mama whojust had a baby, right, And
yeah, I absolutely Dare was soexcited. It was painful. I know
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it was very, very pain probablymore for her than than you. I
know, she beat Hello, that'sright, and you enjoyed every minute of
it. You know. It's calledMy Slow and Painful Journey to six.
Well, it was slow and painfulwriting of the book, right, I
mean, and mostly because you whipme, because I was like, it
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was like pulling teeth. I'm sure. But you know what, I'm so
proud and so excited for where weare right now. And I absolutely could
not have done it without you,obviously, you know, so thank you
so much for putting up with meand for having my voice and being able
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to help kind of launch really,you know, put it all on the
paper, all together on paper.It's been amazing feelings right now that you
see it in hard print. Well, first of all, I just want
to say what a privilege is tohave been able to help you get this
over the finish line. Gland.I know that you had been wanting to
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do this for a really long time. The story's fantastic, and I think
that we capture, you know,many volumes of your life, and there
are many volumes of your life thatwe haven't you know, maybe we'll save
that for a book too, ButI think that this is uh, you
know, it's such a special book, and you know, it's the best
part of my job is that Iget to work with amazing people like you
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and Middy, and you know,writing your story, Glenn, you know,
exponentially changed my life. As youknow, all the books that I
work on have some impact on me. But I have to say that I
think that that Grid Happens is areally special read and I think that people
are going to really enjoy it.So thank you first of all, thank
you for allowing me to be apart of your legacy, and thank you
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for having me today. You knowwhat, Let's see, I just I
adore this woman. She's become avery good friend, and I just want
our listeners to know a little bitmore about you and what have you done.
I mean, I gave you areal brief introduction, but talk a
little bit about you becoming an authorand getting to partner with some of these
incredible personalities walk us a little bitthrough that journey your own. Sure,
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absolutely, so. I was workingin production. I was one of the
original pioneers of the celebrity exercise videomarket in the early nineties, and I
brought world Richard Simmons and I didworkout videos with Reebook and you know,
all sorts of amazing, you know, personalities. And I did a workout
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video with Joan London work Out America. And at the time, Joan was
the host of Good Morning America andshe was forty years old. She had
just gone through a very high profiledivorce, and she had lost a ton
of weight and she looked like amillion bucks. And so, you know,
I said to her after we finisheddoing the exercise video, I said,
you know, you should write abook because I think that so many
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women will really relate to your story. I mean, I think you're forty,
your single, you've got three kids, you know, you're starting over.
You look great, Like, howdid you do that? And she
said to me, well, let'swrite it together. And you know,
we were out to dinner and wejust started mapping out a little timeline what
we thought the book would be,and we came up with this great idea
of doing a part cookbook, partmemoir and we thought it was a genius
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idea. I don't know, I'mnot going to confirm or deny that there
was wine involved. And the nextday we went to to see her agent
at William Morris and we presented theconcept to him and he said, that's
the worst idea I've ever heard inmy life out wow, And I literally
said to him it was Jim Griffin. I said, you know, Jim
Griffin was legendary and TV was thehead of the television department. And I
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said, I said, like theworst ever of like any idea you've ever
heard. And he said yeah,And I said, well why and he
said because Joan doesn't cook. AndI said, Jim, you know that.
I said, but there's twenty millionviewers a week that see Joan in
their kitchen, and she's in thekitchen with Julia Child and Wolfgang Puck.
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Do you think anybody really cares ifJoan can cook? And he said,
yeah, I do. I said, I don't, I don't, And
so Joan and I walked out ofhis office that day and she turned to
me, she goes, well,you know, it was a good idea
and I said, none, no, no, no, it is a
good idea. I'll go sell yourbook. And I did, and that's
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yeah, that is where it again. I will tell you though. I
sold her book. And then youknow, her attorney said, you know,
I'm working with his agent. Hisname was l Loman, who was
just a legend in the book businessfor years and he's since passed. And
he said, you know, ljust sold a book for Diana Ross.
You know, maybe maybe we shouldhand this to him as if he can
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get a better deal. And hedid. He doubled the money that we
got. And guess and guess whothen thought it was a really really good
idea was her agent when he tookhis ten percent. So yeah, and
that book was on the New YorkTimes bestseller list for months. And that
was the first book that I endedup writing. And Joan and I have
written a number of books together since, but in between, you know,
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books from the Joan, I've donebooks with everyone from Jerry Springer to the
Jonas brothers, to Justin Bieber,Jennifer Hudson in many many others and I
don't know, maybe six or sevenyears ago, I said, you know,
I think that I would like tomove away from the celebrity stuff and
maybe start writing books with titans ofbusiness. And you know, so I
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started pursuing some books in that thatlane, and I met John Maxwell and
I wrote John maxwell seventieth book withhim, and it was his legacy book.
It was the most personal book thathe had ever written. Were called
last week, Oh were you yeah? A racial Alger's ancial eg Oh my
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god, yeah. I mean he'sjust well, I think, you know,
I think he's amazing and so youknow, um, you know John
Well, and you know, hisbooks have never really been all that personal.
And when I came on, Ihelped John get to a really personal
place where we wrote intentional Living,Intentional Living together. And that changed a
lot for me as a writer.It made me become very intentional in the
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kind of projects I wanted to do. And you know, those those I
had a checklist of three things afterworking on that book that I said,
you know, order for me tosay ye to anything going forward, it
has to check three boxes for me, and I have to genuinely like the
person. So Glenn check genuinely likeyou. I love you. I liked
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you at the beginning and now Ilove you, and it's you know.
The second thing was I actually haveto believe in the story and the message
that they're putting out. And thethird thing, and this is the biggest
one, is that it has tocome good into the world. And yeah,
and so it made it very easyfor me when somebody comes to me
and says, do you want towrite my book? If it doesn't check
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those three boxes, it's an easynot for me. So you know,
I've done a lot of books inbetween, with a lot of really amazing
people, and Glenn, I'm soproud of the book that we've written together.
I think that people are really goingto enjoy the read. I think
they'll laugh, I think they'll cry. I think they'll learn a lot.
I think your story is inspirational inso many ways. And as you well
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know, my daughter wanted to knowwhen I was going to be done writing
your book because I was constantly quotingyou to her and she yeah, So
I'll tell you. I M notto sound whatever. I don't know the
right word, but I like itbecause I like my story and what I
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mean by that is. I likethe fact that when I started reading it
after you know, you'd kind ofput it all in the paper, after
we had spent this is three years, right of going back and forth overall
this, but after then going andrereading, you know, at first,
I'm going, man, was Ia derelic right in the beginning, and
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I quote reading it not thinking aboutit being you, You're going, this
guy, what a loser? Andand but I've always said, it's not
how you start, it's how youfinished, right, And I'm not finished,
but I'm obviously certainly involved. Ithink that I like the trajectory.
I like where it's going, goingso far less but that way. But
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I think that it was very therapeutic, right to be able to look back
and see things that have happened,and there's calls and effect and there's reasons
why I think you can not justme, but people. If they can
take what has happened in their life, and if they can turn all crap
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and all the you know, disappointmentand everything and you can use that as
you'll get you somewhere else. Ithink it's very positive, right, and
people can look at that in theirown lives and go man, I've been
through so much and not claim tobe the victim, as we say,
but to be the victoria right,and to look at it and say,
you know, all this didn't justhappen in vain. It happened for a
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reason. And now I'm here tocash in on and not not only cash
in financially necessarily, but in happinessright in what we do as people in
humans, just to feel loved.To think about my dad right when he
started, he wasn't such a greatman, but how he ended was wonderful.
And so looking at what you wereable to help me put on the
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paper, I'm proud of where Iam, and I'm proud of getting through
all this shit, right, Imean that's part of life, you know.
And so, Laura, when youwere in writing this book with Glenn,
was there anything that surprised you inthe process. I mean, you've
read a lot of stories. Wasit something about him or a story or
a way he exists in the worldthat surprised you in the process. That's
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a great question. I think thereare pieces of Glenn's story that I personally
related to his cancer journey. Andyou know, I think we write so
vividly about some of the treatment thatGlenn went through and the grueling nature of
it, and yet he you know, kept his sense of humor and again,
even in those circumstances, never feltlike a victim. And his grit
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and determination to make it through.I think that. I think also what
I I always tell people, Ihave the benefit of learning life lessons without
actually having to go through them.So when I write somebody's book, you
know, I experienced the mistakes andI experienced the victories every bit as much.
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But it's really the challenges and howyou get through them that I always
take with me because I think there'sso much of value in that. And
so you know the story of Glenngetting through the housing crisis in two thousand
and seven, two thousand and eight, you know how he kept his company
afloat. I find that incredibly inspiringand you know, again another story of
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great Britain determination. I also justlove Glenn's love of life. I think
there's a lot to be said aboutthat. And I'll tell you one other
thing is is glenn His not notworrying, just knowing that there is an
answer and there's a solution. Andyou know, I'm I do fall of
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picked into the addiction of worry,and um, you know, so I
think when I work with people whohave bigger mountains than I do and they
don't worry about it, it's aninspiration to me that you know, this
will be a blip on the screen, you know, a week from now,
a month from now, a yearfrom now. And I think,
Glenn, I think there's so manythings that you've been through that demonstrate that
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that we talk about in the book. You know, it's funny because I'd
say it probably too much, butI talk about having a child at fourteen,
right, and again I probably sayit way too much. But the
reason is that was really one ofthe fundamental reasons for what i'd call success
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later in life, because what Ithought was just horrible, the worst thing,
because you're I'm only fourteen, Idon't have a lot of coping skills.
I don't know what I'm doing,but I was. I thought I
disappointed everybody. I was, youknow, in this weird spot, and
then later for it to turn out, wow, I've got this beautiful daughter
and you know, and so whenyou focus on just this negative stuff,
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you don't have the ability to seethe silver linings. In life. But
it gave me the ability to dothat, and so then that's been a
great kind of reason why I wasable to then I think, go through
life and be maybe that kid inthe you know that that story, Right,
you put two kids in a room, two different rooms full of horse
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maneuver, right, and the onesdisappointment, where's my toys? And the
other one's going dig and dig anddigging. There's got to be a pony
under here somewhere, right. It'shaving the ability to look at things differently.
And so I think it came fromearly on having some setbacks and then
finding out there actually gifts, youknow. And then when you talk about
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the cancer one, I was like, Mindy was like, oh, look
we're gonna go on caring Bridge andwe're gonna put stuff out there so everyone
sees it. I'm like, tome, carring bridge means you're dying.
I don't want to be on CarryingBridge. I don't want to let it
doesn't it doesn't. But I'm justI was. I was in a bad
spot in my head because I hadI'm thinking I might be dying and uh,
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and I said, I don't wantto go there, and she could
go fine, I'm gonna write ablog and I'm gonna do it in Facebook.
And I was like, I don'twant to read it. I don't
care to do it ever ever readit. I don't know that I ever
did any of it. But itwas really good. What happened was happy.
So many people. I'm gonna happy. I need. So many people
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had so and you see why Ihad so much fun reading. I could
keep going on with that one.So but but so many people commented on,
gosh, I loved your journey throughcancer. I love you, know,
which is weird. And thank youMindy for we're giving us every step
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of the way, which was shetalked about the most painful stuff, right.
And and then they have people likeRichard Branson reach out and write,
um, laughter is the best medicine, and and quoting what Mindy had written
down and how you know the littlethings, which is all true. Like
I'd be on my backham right,Oh my god, if I can win
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this one, I'm gonna live throughcancer. Right, I just got hang
on. Let me finish his backhamand game two, okay, I didn't
win that one. Let make twoout of three and then um, he
plays until he wins, He reallydoes, and he did. He does
win on Yeah, I know wewere flying together, if you recall,
and I think I was beating youin backgammon and you did not want to
land the plane until you won agame again, relentless. Did you see
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that through the writing this process?I mean this book took a little time
to nail him down. I mean, this guy is hard and n he's
like crazy whirling during Now was thereever a writer's block or was it just
trying to pin him down? Whatwas the most challenging thing in writing this
book? Well, the time framewas definitely not my you know, my
doing. I just want to say, like, but but here's the thing
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I think, you know, inthe book, we talk a lot about,
you know, how Glenn does thingsin general. Right, He's not
you know, he's a he tookthe he studied for the test the night
before. That's not a guy whowas studying all semester long, right,
and you know, and he's stillvery well, he still manages to do
just fine. And you know,it's you know, writing a book as
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a process. And there were thingsthat happened in Glenn's story along the way
where we talked about it, andwe said, maybe we need to let
this play out. We don't wantyour book to feel dated, you know,
if it comes out now, maybewe need to sit on this for
a little while. Let's let thestory continue writing itself. So well,
this didn't go a little bit longerthan most books that I that I write.
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Um, it was important that weallowed the process town fold that way
because I think in the end weended up with a better book. And
I think sometimes you know, asthey say, the universe unfolds exactly as
it should. You know, Glenn'sfather passed away in that year that we
were kind of letting things play out. There were things that happened that that
you know, put a different twiston the story. And in fact,
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we had to come back and writea final chapter that was done maybe a
year and a half after we finishedthe rest of the book. And I
think it was a really important chapterto include in this book. So I
think I think that it's you know, in this process, part of my
job is not just to be therapistand writer and friend. Part of my
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job has to also guide us towardthe best book that we know will mean
the most to the reader and Ithink that that happened in this case.
When I think about people out thereand our audience, I think, I
know many used to say your audience, your mom and dad and my d
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It used to be used to belike poor listeners. I think we have
a lot more. So maybe it'smore than just her mom and dad and
and but anyway, so there area lot of people out there that are
in their own you know, dramaand a lot of things going on in
their life, and they're struggling toget up the mountain and trying to reach
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their goals and their dreams. Andwhen I think about a lot of different
things, like I'll take the TVshow that I did. Half way through,
I knew I was going to fail, and I was trying to find
the exit door as fast as Icould because I thought, if I can
just bow out, they'll never makethe show and no one will ever see
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me fail. But then when youstick it through and then you end up
succeeding, you go, that wasthe best journey I ever took. Because
I thought I was going to fail. I was afraid I would fail,
and yet I kept fighting and Ididn't fail. Well life is like that,
right, Well, writing the damnbook if you remember what did of
course you do and the end,I'm going, I think my mortgage business
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is going to fail. I Amgoing like, we're going to release this
book about what a you know,great business guy I am. And by
the time it comes out, I'mgonna have close down my mortgage company,
right, like, what a hypocrite? And so all those things are exactly
what other people feel. You justkeep hearing in your voice the nose,
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and you hear all the why you'regonna fail, and you've got this,
you know, devil on your shouldertelling you it's okay to quit or you
put your head in the sand orgive up or whatever you want to say.
And all of us go through that. Right when writing the book,
it was done and it felt realgood, except I'm gonna look like a
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hypocrite because I'm gonna have closed downthe mortgage company. So we waited,
right and guess what, I didn'tclose down the mortgage company. I fought
through all that pain. I mean, there's been so much pain in our
industry literally, and it's not chapterthirteen. Oh and what happened since we
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put the book on hold? Wewent up six hundred and one percent market
share. We had our best monthever last month. We are killing it
in the industry. We're the onlycompany that I know that turned a profit
that right now. Because it's verydifficult. We've hired like sixty people or
more this last month or so.I mean, we are hiring everyone else's
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laying off. So it's just anotherexample to people that when you think you're
about to give up, when youthink you're at the end of the road,
you just push once more and keepgoing. And so that's what the
book is all about, right,It's about the grit and it's about doing
it. And and then there wasan example right in the middle of writing
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the book, I'm going here Igo again, you know, goodness,
And so in there it comes outthe other side. It's not over with,
right, I mean, nothing everis. But um, I'm grateful
for the journey. I'm even gratefulfor the nerves right of going, Man,
I am I going to do this? But that's that's part of figuring
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it all out. Stick to it. And I want to say that vulnerability
is you know, a sign ofstrength, right that that that willingness to
to share that in your book.In so many different places. I think,
you know, um will really resonatewith your reader. And I think,
you know, Bendy, you askedme if anything took me by surprise.
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I think that there's a vulnerable scienticleand that you know, I I've
had the privilege of getting to seeand I certainly know you do. But
you know, not a lot ofpeople get to see that side of him,
and but I think they'll they'll bepleasantly surprised at the reflection. You
know, as he said, youknow at the beginning of the interview that
he was reading this going, man, I sound, you know, kind
of like a jerk, but likeyou got it. You have to go
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look, you have to go throughYeah, it was. It was an
evolution of Glenn. He really evolvesin the book who but he and he
and he, you know, andhe recognizes that behavior and things that happened,
even that he had never really talkedabout before we wrote about it in
the book. The reflection on itin the storytelling is really powerful. And
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I think, you know, sometimesit's so much easier to look back through
our you know, more mature eyesthan than we could possibly understand in those
moments. Right as things are happening, and whether it's in business or in
life, and certainly during our adolescence. And so I think that it's really
great that Glenn is so open,uh. And it also I just think
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there are just there's Glenn is fullof an enormous amount of wisdom that you
want. Glenn, he's that guyyou want to sit down with the good
Can I run something by you?Yeah? You know, and you might
not like Glenn's answer, right,because he's a tough love guy. He
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may not tell you the answer youwant to hear. You know what though,
I think about you say, thevulnerability and that kind of stuff.
And I when I when I lookat a lot of successful people, um,
a lot of people want to showyou their best side, right.
They want to show you everything aboutthem that is perfect and working. And
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you know, we once had somebodythat came to us basically said f you
and your perfect lives because they werereading Facebook, right, And I remember,
you know, we reached back outto this lady and said, you
know, Facebook is for where youbut all your good stuff. I had
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if I had a Facebook that wasfor all the bad stuff, it would
be just as good or bad,right, Like there'd be so much in
that side as well. But thisbook is where you you take and you
just show off all your good things, right, and and so what I
found to be the case is somany people that have had success just want
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you to see that side of them. And I've never come from that.
I'm I like to speak to theunderdog man, the people that are struggling
to get there, and say,I have been there, and it is
painful for growth, and it ispainful to succeed, and its painful to
get through a lot of things.But you keep putting one foot in front
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of the other. And so I'mokay with exposing my flaws, right.
I lead with that usually, andI hope and the reason I do it
is that other people would go,God, that guy, he's not that
smart and he's not that good andhe's not Maybe I can do it then,
you know. And that's what Ireally want out of all this,
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that other people will will be ableto find their best self and realize it's
not impossible. Can I just readthe I love how it's dedicated. If
you haven't yet realized your full potential, feel like you're not worthy of success,
or think you've not made it.This book is dedicated to you,
the underdogs of the world. Remember, it's not how you start, it's
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how you finish. That's beautiful.Who wrote that? Somebody in this realm
and this zoom call somebody, Laurais there? Now? Go ahead.
I was gonna say, we hada lot of fun in going back and
forth with some of this, ButGlenn, I'm certainly glad that we included
some of your shenanigans. There's afew, there's anyone that stands out specifically
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to you? You were like,oh my god, Glenn, there were
a few. There were a fewword choices on my part that Glenn's like,
I don't know what that already means, Like, so don't make me
sound smart, just like I wouldnever say that I don't even know what
it means. So I love thatabout Is there anything in all the books
you've written, and you've written somany about you, like the titans of
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their industry and businesses? Do yousee any common theme here between Glenn and
others of the books you've written.I do, especially the business leaders um
that I've worked with. I wouldsay, it's so interesting how so many
of them really came from very humblebeginnings and did not have that leg up,
did not have the silver spoon,but more like a plastic spoon,
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right, and you know wood right. And you know, I think what's
so interesting is what drives that person. I always tell people that, you
know, because the work that Ido, I'm a great study in sociology,
like what do people have in common? And one of the things that
the like the celebrities that I've workedwith, all have in common. It's
shocking, um is that they allhad their like the report cards from every
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grade, and they all have hadtheir diaries. It's like they knew at
some point they were going to documenttheir life interesting and it was. Really
it's a fascinating um trait that theyall share in common. And a lot
of the business leaders that I've workedwith really have had to through through again
through great grit and determination, reallywork hard and really kind of claw their
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way to the top. It doesn'tjust happen, and you know, it's
it is one step forward, twosteps back for a very very long time.
And even you know, even nowGlenn and all your success, you've
experienced that. So I think it'sreally interesting when when somebody comes from such
humble beginnings. What drives them?What? Why do they want to be
successful? And you know, Idon't think Glenn, I could be wrong,
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but I don't think you ever imaginedgrowing up that you were going to
have this kind of success. Ididn't keep one report card I had.
I changed these to the bees.I had no intention of ever giving anybody
a report card. Let's put itthat way, right right right, you
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know, but I don't. Butdid you ever think that that like when
you because like I just finished abook with someone and he knew, like
he just said, you know,one day I'm gonna be a millionaire,
like he said it would when hewas probably in like seventh grade, and
but in his mind, like beinga millionaire was it. And now he's
a multi billionaire. And you know, did you ever have a moment where
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you thought that that was your ownyour future? That was not my driving
goal. It's never been my drivinggoal. Money has never been my driving
goal. So I never thought aboutthat. When I first got out of
like high school, I was thinkingI wanted to be a truck driver because
I could drive and I didn't haveanybody to you know, I could be
my own bossy that was my likemy ceiling, right, and you did
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want to be a dentist? Whatwas that all about? Well? No,
then I then I thought, yeah, let me get into pre general
and I could be a dentist.Yeah. And then but then ology words
hit him in every ology because Ican't do the ologies. But let's say
I think it's important to point outthough that Glenn, you were the first
member of your family to go tocollege. I know exactly, so I
I I went there because I chasedthe girl though I wasn't there like I'm
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going to begree and how to payfor college? That was his degree?
That's right, very smart. Butyeah, now I'm a doctor. Oh
yes, I'll be a doctor,Laura. He's unbearable. All the doctor
Stearns the doctor got the doctor fromGannet University. He's getting a doctor from
Towson University. On a doctor here, and so he's like, don't put
it in a word on aary doctor, say the word doctor. Dude,
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you can't even bell doctor or doctorate. How do you spell doctorate? D
okay? So um do o rk. Hey, I'm frustrated he's getting a
doctorate. Actor. Oh, Iam so going to use that. Thank
you for the little nugget. Butbut no, but honestly, before you
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you let me, U let me. Uh no, I'm not gonna redeem
myself. I'm gonna tell you thatagain. One time I did a little
talk to the kids of um Tolsonand they had put up there on this
big sign welcome distinguished alumni Glenn Stearns. And I got up there. I'm
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like, I think they got thewrong guy, all right, like distinguished,
I said, I think I graduatedlike a two point one, and
the dean stayed up it was atwo point one six. We looked up
your great point right, and thekids in the bath. The guy stayed,
there's hope for me. And that'swho I speak to, right literally,
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I I don't I don't want to. I don't relate to people with
borrow great point averages or whatever.Right there, And as I told my
son, by the way, whostruggles with dyslexia and ADHD and all that
stuff, I said, son,you gotta understand, every single person has
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a gift. They're not all thesame, right. And you see people
that have retention and they can studywell and they can get straight a's.
That's wonderful. That's their gift.But then you and myself and a lot
of other people don't have that gift. So we might develop the personality side
better where we can relate to people, We can talk to people. And
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I said, I guarantee once youget out of college, you wouldn't be
able to be relatable and you'll findthat as a very positive gift. Okay,
No, you can't retain as well, and you don't. You don't
know chemistry or whatever, but it'sokay. The world needs us all they
need every single side. There's noone better or worse. It doesn't matter.
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The guys that have all the straighta's wish they could be more relatable.
The guys that are more relatable wishthey could be to magdam kumlade.
You know whatever, right it's youalways want what you can't have, But
the reality is be comfortable with yourgift, whatever gift, it is right
because it is it is a gift. And you know, I think that's
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been a journey for you as well. That that wisdom is what I'm talking
about, where that you can impartthat wisdom, but you can only impart
that wisdom because of everything that you'vegone through. I remember a story in
the book where you talk about,you know, being away for the weekend
and you were in a group verysuccessful business leaders, and why don't you
tell the story if you have time. It's you know, because you were
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feeling like like you didn't belong inthe room. Well, when I when
I went, we went, wewent hunting. And when we landed the
airplane we were we got into ahelicopter to go up um the Columbia Gorge
and then we were going to landon the property to go hunting. But
as we got into the helicopter,my friends said, do you see those
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jets. Those jets are um areowned by all the guys that are hunting
this whole time. You know that'sset keep memory, puts everything in his
phone and everything goes off. Sohang on, folks out there, if
you rewind this whole thing and youwatch every time my phone goes off,
you see my wife getting more madat me. You don't see the subtle
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little hints like turn your damn ringeroff. I know what she's doing right
all days. So watch that backand you'll see the little So there'll be
more later with that said, Soanyway, all the jets on the runway,
we're all from all the people thatwe're gonna be attending this hunt this
weekend. I'm just gonna speed thisalong because I know how you kind of
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stuffy. So he was feeling veryinferior because all these private jets of all
these muguls, these titans, thesebusiness people. And so he gets in
the room, sits down, andour dear friend, who's always like the
one that starts a conversation at thetable, there's no shit chat. It's
like, let's get deep right away. Foster Freeze an old friend. He
wasn't my old friend. I nevermet him before. He is now he
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has since passed, but he becamehe became a dear friend. But when
he sat down, and I'm sittingthere thinking, how am I going to
relate to these people? I wasyoung, I didn't have my own plane.
I didn't but I had a lotof goods toys, and so I
knew I have to show these peopleI can relate to them. And I
need to wrong here I am worthy. I need to throw in there the
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toys I have and the success I'vehad, because then I'll be worthy of
being in the room with them,and so as our breakfast started, Foster
the dear friend that since passed,I had not met him yet, he
says, Hey, instead of uschit chatting, why don't we start with
you over there and let's get toknow you tell us about yourself. And
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I happen to be the next personover. So this gentleman starts and I'm
thinking, right, I got totalk about my toys. I got to
talk about things, show them becauseI already know they're successful. And at
that point it didn't go from thisguy to me. It went the other
way around the room. And Iwas so grateful for that, because what
I learned as I listened to theseso evolved human beings was that none of
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them talked about their toys. Noneof them talked about They talked about making
a difference in the world, andthey talked about things that that really mattered.
And by the time it got tome, you know, I mean,
I mean, having my young childand having you know, been through
so much of adversity, I wasbawling my eyes out and yeah, and
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then because it was all about lifelessons, and I ran out of there
like I'm gonna start my foundation andI'm gonna do good in the world.
And we went back and we didso many wonderful things that didn't again have
to do with toys or money.But that also stresses the importance of having
mentors in your life, because thesemen became his mentors and it was a
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big string throughout his life. Andyou know, we don't have a lot
of time. I just have acouple of two more questions to ask you,
Laura. As the book title beingintegrity, what does that mean to
you personally? Does this book embodyit? And what does it mean to
you? I think what a greatquestion, min date, because you know,
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we tooled with a lot of differenttitles of the book. First and
foremost, I want to answer thatthe second part of that question. And
I think that Glenn is the epitomeof integrity and in the essence of the
word, not just integrity, butthe great aspect of integrity. And I
think that, yeah, yeah,And I think that for me, I
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think integrity is saying what you mean, meaning what you say, and doing
what you should do even when nobodyelse is looking. No, you know,
Laura, when when I think ofthat, I think about people that
say, wow, that person hasa great cloud over their head, always
had a great They turn your phoneoff, hypocracy while there's chaos. No,
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there's no turn No, this isstaying in there. What's that?
What are you ready? Repeat?After b My book is number three on
Amazon? Who under Arnold schwartznigger?Oh oh he's number two, we're number
one, but his bastard fall.You're good, all right, finish your
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thought. Let's go into the hypocrisyof your phone ringing. But the way
I just can I just to chimein here and go. This was the
fun of writing the book with andgetting to you know, Glenn and Mindy
in this entire journey. There aren'ttwo more amazing human beings on the planet.
And they're they're generous in in everysingle way, but truly with their
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spirit. And so you know,how lucky am I that that I got
the chance to work with with them? Well, you story great integrity,
Yeah, you're deep. I wantto talk about one little thing really quickly,
and that was that's very important aboutwhen people think someone has a great
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cloud and they're always unlucky and allthat stuff. I don't believe any of
that because what it is is howyou live your life and the seeds you
plan along the way right, andwhen you do that, then you will
have good luck or bad luck inyour life. And one quick example,
I don't kick me because I knowwe have to go, but that is
that my son had gone through someissues in his uh school once. Don't
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I'm not I'm not ver get deepon that. But what I'm saying,
oh, poor Laura, No,she's got two minutes. So what happened
was, um, he ended up. They asked him to leave for for
a couple months right out of theschool, and they didn't ask his accomplished
the lady friend to leave. AndI said, do you think that's fair?
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Son? He because I don't know, maybe I go. I do
think it's fair that she stayed andyou didn't have to. And I'll tell
you why. She was on thehonor roll. She had zero demerits.
She had never been in trouble.You were not on the honor roll,
and you know you were kind ofon the other end of that, and
you had like sixteen demerits. Noneof them were important. Your tie wasn't
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on right that day, he didn'tcut your hair. Little things that you
think don't matter. But I'll tellyou what, all these little things in
life matter, because one day theycome back don't roost right, And one
day people are either going to atyou because you've been good and you've been
on the hon a row and you'vebeen or they're gonna let you go when
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they add it up. And whenthey looked at you all these old nickicknick,
they said, you know what,it's time to let the guy go.
And I said, that's life.And so I think when people go
out there and they plant their seeds, either good or bad, it'll come
back. And you can call themsunny days or you can call them cloudy
days. It doesn't you know whicheverside you're on right, what seeds are
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you planning and what do you water? And so that has to do a
lot with where I found uh my, um, you know kind of life
of going. Man, it's noone else is looking, but it's well,
I'll know personally what's going on,and I'll know whether or not I
want to do it. But withall that said, Laura, because that
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was really the whole bottom line ofthe book was that I think we can
end up breathing our last breast,very very very content and happy with what
we've done if we lived true toourselves, or it won't be such a
happy ending if we cut corners.You just said breast and happy endings,
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did. I am one sense aswell. So I want you to know
how grateful I am we're being ableto Laura. You've been at the words
down truly on the paper for me, and and I'm very, very proud
of the book. Thank you forall that you've done, Laura, real
fast. I know we got awrap, but didn't you tell us that
one of the people who read thebook, who reads books for living every
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day all day, had a profoundreaction to it. Isn't that what you
said happened with one of the editorsor someone that read. I think it
was Hope and Ellie and um,she yeah. I mean this is a
woman who's who has you know,as a as an editor, she has
shepherded some of the biggest books youknow, to be published, and um,
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she's you know, she was incrediblymoved by Glenn's story of resilience and
overcoming. And you know, it'shard to impress your editor because usually you
know, their job is to tearit apart a little bit to make it
better. And in this particular instance, she didn't have a lot of work
to do there, but she yeah, no, she really was incredibly moved
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by by the story. And youknow, and it just goes to show
this is a story that touches alot of people in a lot of different
ways. There will be bits andpieces of your story, Glenn. I
think we'll speak to a very wideaudience. And so you know, if
you if you are in the mortgagelending business, you'll be inspired because Glenn
is a legend in that business.If you like Glenn's you know, really
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fun stories about his times, uh, you know, doing reality television.
I think meeting and falling in lovewith Mindy is an amazing story. I
think you know, all the storiesabout your your children, and your legacy,
and your father and your mother,and you know, some of the
incredible I don't want to call themcoincidences because I don't think that's what they
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were. I think they were just, you know, moments that were meant
to be. I think that there'sso much that people will take away from
this, and they got a littlebit of that wisdom today during our conversation.
You know, you've told a lotof great stories, some of which
are in the book that I think, you know, demonstrate how you look
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at things, and if nothing else, I think that you bring a very
unique perspective to what others might perceiveis being impossible situations and in your world,
I just don't think that word exists. Oh that's beautiful. Wow,
thank you. Wow. We amso enjoyed being with you. You have
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a very busy life. You havea big documentary out Their Anxious Nation,
that's been out in theaters, gettingawards, getting all sorts of accolades because
you really wrap a nice, bigpacket about the angs xiety epidemic in this
country. And I think that isanother thing we can talk about another episode.
Please come back and talk to us. Get your books wherever you can
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right now. On Amazon they arethey're they're selling. You can get books
five a million. There's so manygreat places with Barnes and Noble. But
you want to get your copy.It comes out bell May twenty third,
and you know what, You've gotto sharpe ready to go. So many
time you see Glenn this, Holyyeah, I would say I would say
that this book, you know,is a howdy start a movement, right
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and I would say that when peopleread this book, it's the book they're
going to want to tell their friendsto get. It's the book that they're
gonna want to share with their friends. And you know, there's going to
be earmarked, pages, underlined,you know, statements, all of that.
So I think, you know,I think there's I'm really looking forward
to seeing, you know, howpeople respond to it. Glenn and I
thank you both for having me todayand sharing a little bit about our journey
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on getting Integrity written. Our producerjust yelled from the background, Who's playing
Glenn in the movie? Who wouldyou cast? Laura? Matt Damon?
Oh, well, there you go. You see, Actually he might be
all right, Matt Damon would bea great Glenn, don't you think.
I don't know. I was Iwas thinking I was going to say somebody
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who I know, we're not tosay it because there's a story about him.
Um, I think Matt Damon's agreat choice. But you know,
well, manifest it. Matt Damonwill manifest it. Well, Matt will
Matt jam infested and listen, Ithink there is a movie here. That's
how That's how good I think thebook is not because I wrote it.
It's because Glenn has lived every singleone of these stories. Yeah he has,
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and I've lived half of them.That so many friends. You believe
your stories, Glenn. Until Istarted being in a lot of the stories,
I'm like, well, maybe there'llbe a book too. Thank you,
Laura. We are so so gratefulfor your time and all that you
gave and contributed today's conversation and notjust now, what over the past three
years once we first met you.Thank you for the friend you are a
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God send to us. So thankyou for tuning in. Yes, pretty,
it's so pretty. I love theraise words. I mean, is
that an amazing cover? Or what? Look at that? Why did all
these other guys start coppying me likeArnold? And who's this? Covers exactly
like yours, Prince Harry. Butthat's a meating book. That's meat.
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There's a lot of meat on thisbook. You are you know? All
right? That's it? You've beenlistening to another episode? Uh, make
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Hi, I'm mind Stern, andthis is Grit Happens. On this show,
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and the common goal of not justsurviving, but thriving. And we hope
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get started. This is Happened.It's a very exciting time. Is it
a very exciting time because you finallydid what everyone's been telling you to do
for a very, very, veryvery long time. I know by yourself,
I couldn't and so I have notspoken to Laura, who's going to
be on here in a second rightat all. Yet I started to write
(00:50):
when I opened the box, whichwas very exciting, and then I tried
to call you a couple of times, and then finally I thought, wait
a minute, we're gonna be onwith her. So I'm gonna wait.
So I'm saving it like Christmas.You're like our Christmas morning, just opening
up right now. So anyway,let's bring her in. Let's bring her
in it. That's right, ladiesand gentlemen. Now best selling author New
(01:15):
York Times was it twenty one?Now New York Times Best Selling, twenty
two best twenty two La Marte Hello, Hello for someone to tell you,
I feel like I'm a mama whojust had a baby, right, And
yeah, I absolutely Dare was soexcited. It was painful. I know
(01:38):
it was very, very pain probablymore for her than than you. I
know, she beat Hello, that'sright, and you enjoyed every minute of
it. You know. It's calledMy Slow and Painful Journey to six.
Well, it was slow and painfulwriting of the book, right, I
mean, and mostly because you whipme, because I was like, it
(02:01):
was like pulling teeth. I'm sure. But you know what, I'm so
proud and so excited for where weare right now. And I absolutely could
not have done it without you,obviously, you know, so thank you
so much for putting up with meand for having my voice and being able
(02:22):
to help kind of launch really,you know, put it all on the
paper, all together on paper.It's been amazing feelings right now that you
see it in hard print. Well, first of all, I just want
to say what a privilege is tohave been able to help you get this
over the finish line. Gland.I know that you had been wanting to
(02:42):
do this for a really long time. The story's fantastic, and I think
that we capture, you know,many volumes of your life, and there
are many volumes of your life thatwe haven't you know, maybe we'll save
that for a book too, ButI think that this is uh, you
know, it's such a special book, and you know, it's the best
part of my job is that Iget to work with amazing people like you
(03:02):
and Middy, and you know,writing your story, Glenn, you know,
exponentially changed my life. As youknow, all the books that I
work on have some impact on me. But I have to say that I
think that that Grid Happens is areally special read and I think that people
are going to really enjoy it.So thank you first of all, thank
you for allowing me to be apart of your legacy, and thank you
(03:23):
for having me today. You knowwhat, Let's see, I just I
adore this woman. She's become avery good friend, and I just want
our listeners to know a little bitmore about you and what have you done.
I mean, I gave you areal brief introduction, but talk a
little bit about you becoming an authorand getting to partner with some of these
incredible personalities walk us a little bitthrough that journey your own. Sure,
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absolutely, so. I was workingin production. I was one of the
original pioneers of the celebrity exercise videomarket in the early nineties, and I
brought world Richard Simmons and I didworkout videos with Reebook and you know,
all sorts of amazing, you know, personalities. And I did a workout
(04:08):
video with Joan London work Out America. And at the time, Joan was
the host of Good Morning America andshe was forty years old. She had
just gone through a very high profiledivorce, and she had lost a ton
of weight and she looked like amillion bucks. And so, you know,
I said to her after we finisheddoing the exercise video, I said,
you know, you should write abook because I think that so many
(04:28):
women will really relate to your story. I mean, I think you're forty,
your single, you've got three kids, you know, you're starting over.
You look great, Like, howdid you do that? And she
said to me, well, let'swrite it together. And you know,
we were out to dinner and wejust started mapping out a little timeline what
we thought the book would be,and we came up with this great idea
of doing a part cookbook, partmemoir and we thought it was a genius
(04:53):
idea. I don't know, I'mnot going to confirm or deny that there
was wine involved. And the nextday we went to to see her agent
at William Morris and we presented theconcept to him and he said, that's
the worst idea I've ever heard inmy life out wow, And I literally
said to him it was Jim Griffin. I said, you know, Jim
Griffin was legendary and TV was thehead of the television department. And I
(05:15):
said, I said, like theworst ever of like any idea you've ever
heard. And he said yeah,And I said, well why and he
said because Joan doesn't cook. AndI said, Jim, you know that.
I said, but there's twenty millionviewers a week that see Joan in
their kitchen, and she's in thekitchen with Julia Child and Wolfgang Puck.
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Do you think anybody really cares ifJoan can cook? And he said,
yeah, I do. I said, I don't, I don't, And
so Joan and I walked out ofhis office that day and she turned to
me, she goes, well,you know, it was a good idea
and I said, none, no, no, no, it is a
good idea. I'll go sell yourbook. And I did, and that's
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yeah, that is where it again. I will tell you though. I
sold her book. And then youknow, her attorney said, you know,
I'm working with his agent. Hisname was l Loman, who was
just a legend in the book businessfor years and he's since passed. And
he said, you know, ljust sold a book for Diana Ross.
You know, maybe maybe we shouldhand this to him as if he can
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get a better deal. And hedid. He doubled the money that we
got. And guess and guess whothen thought it was a really really good
idea was her agent when he tookhis ten percent. So yeah, and
that book was on the New YorkTimes bestseller list for months. And that
was the first book that I endedup writing. And Joan and I have
written a number of books together since, but in between, you know,
(06:44):
books from the Joan, I've donebooks with everyone from Jerry Springer to the
Jonas brothers, to Justin Bieber,Jennifer Hudson in many many others and I
don't know, maybe six or sevenyears ago, I said, you know,
I think that I would like tomove away from the celebrity stuff and
maybe start writing books with titans ofbusiness. And you know, so I
(07:06):
started pursuing some books in that thatlane, and I met John Maxwell and
I wrote John maxwell seventieth book withhim, and it was his legacy book.
It was the most personal book thathe had ever written. Were called
last week, Oh were you yeah? A racial Alger's ancial eg Oh my
(07:26):
god, yeah. I mean he'sjust well, I think, you know,
I think he's amazing and so youknow, um, you know John
Well, and you know, hisbooks have never really been all that personal.
And when I came on, Ihelped John get to a really personal
place where we wrote intentional Living,Intentional Living together. And that changed a
lot for me as a writer.It made me become very intentional in the
(07:50):
kind of projects I wanted to do. And you know, those those I
had a checklist of three things afterworking on that book that I said,
you know, order for me tosay ye to anything going forward, it
has to check three boxes for me, and I have to genuinely like the
person. So Glenn check genuinely likeyou. I love you. I liked
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you at the beginning and now Ilove you, and it's you know.
The second thing was I actually haveto believe in the story and the message
that they're putting out. And thethird thing, and this is the biggest
one, is that it has tocome good into the world. And yeah,
and so it made it very easyfor me when somebody comes to me
and says, do you want towrite my book? If it doesn't check
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those three boxes, it's an easynot for me. So you know,
I've done a lot of books inbetween, with a lot of really amazing
people, and Glenn, I'm soproud of the book that we've written together.
I think that people are really goingto enjoy the read. I think
they'll laugh, I think they'll cry. I think they'll learn a lot.
I think your story is inspirational inso many ways. And as you well
(08:54):
know, my daughter wanted to knowwhen I was going to be done writing
your book because I was constantly quotingyou to her and she yeah, So
I'll tell you. I M notto sound whatever. I don't know the
right word, but I like itbecause I like my story and what I
(09:16):
mean by that is. I likethe fact that when I started reading it
after you know, you'd kind ofput it all in the paper, after
we had spent this is three years, right of going back and forth overall
this, but after then going andrereading, you know, at first,
I'm going, man, was Ia derelic right in the beginning, and
(09:39):
I quote reading it not thinking aboutit being you, You're going, this
guy, what a loser? Andand but I've always said, it's not
how you start, it's how youfinished, right, And I'm not finished,
but I'm obviously certainly involved. Ithink that I like the trajectory.
I like where it's going, goingso far less but that way. But
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I think that it was very therapeutic, right to be able to look back
and see things that have happened,and there's calls and effect and there's reasons
why I think you can not justme, but people. If they can
take what has happened in their life, and if they can turn all crap
(10:22):
and all the you know, disappointmentand everything and you can use that as
you'll get you somewhere else. Ithink it's very positive, right, and
people can look at that in theirown lives and go man, I've been
through so much and not claim tobe the victim, as we say,
but to be the victoria right,and to look at it and say,
you know, all this didn't justhappen in vain. It happened for a
(10:46):
reason. And now I'm here tocash in on and not not only cash
in financially necessarily, but in happinessright in what we do as people in
humans, just to feel loved.To think about my dad right when he
started, he wasn't such a greatman, but how he ended was wonderful.
And so looking at what you wereable to help me put on the
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paper, I'm proud of where Iam, and I'm proud of getting through
all this shit, right, Imean that's part of life, you know.
And so, Laura, when youwere in writing this book with Glenn,
was there anything that surprised you inthe process. I mean, you've
read a lot of stories. Wasit something about him or a story or
a way he exists in the worldthat surprised you in the process. That's
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a great question. I think thereare pieces of Glenn's story that I personally
related to his cancer journey. Andyou know, I think we write so
vividly about some of the treatment thatGlenn went through and the grueling nature of
it, and yet he you know, kept his sense of humor and again,
even in those circumstances, never feltlike a victim. And his grit
(11:56):
and determination to make it through.I think that. I think also what
I I always tell people, Ihave the benefit of learning life lessons without
actually having to go through them.So when I write somebody's book, you
know, I experienced the mistakes andI experienced the victories every bit as much.
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But it's really the challenges and howyou get through them that I always
take with me because I think there'sso much of value in that. And
so you know the story of Glenngetting through the housing crisis in two thousand
and seven, two thousand and eight, you know how he kept his company
afloat. I find that incredibly inspiringand you know, again another story of
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great Britain determination. I also justlove Glenn's love of life. I think
there's a lot to be said aboutthat. And I'll tell you one other
thing is is glenn His not notworrying, just knowing that there is an
answer and there's a solution. Andyou know, I'm I do fall of
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picked into the addiction of worry,and um, you know, so I
think when I work with people whohave bigger mountains than I do and they
don't worry about it, it's aninspiration to me that you know, this
will be a blip on the screen, you know, a week from now,
a month from now, a yearfrom now. And I think,
Glenn, I think there's so manythings that you've been through that demonstrate that
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that we talk about in the book. You know, it's funny because I'd
say it probably too much, butI talk about having a child at fourteen,
right, and again I probably sayit way too much. But the
reason is that was really one ofthe fundamental reasons for what i'd call success
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later in life, because what Ithought was just horrible, the worst thing,
because you're I'm only fourteen, Idon't have a lot of coping skills.
I don't know what I'm doing,but I was. I thought I
disappointed everybody. I was, youknow, in this weird spot, and
then later for it to turn out, wow, I've got this beautiful daughter
and you know, and so whenyou focus on just this negative stuff,
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you don't have the ability to seethe silver linings. In life. But
it gave me the ability to dothat, and so then that's been a
great kind of reason why I wasable to then I think, go through
life and be maybe that kid inthe you know that that story, Right,
you put two kids in a room, two different rooms full of horse
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maneuver, right, and the onesdisappointment, where's my toys? And the
other one's going dig and dig anddigging. There's got to be a pony
under here somewhere, right. It'shaving the ability to look at things differently.
And so I think it came fromearly on having some setbacks and then
finding out there actually gifts, youknow. And then when you talk about
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the cancer one, I was like, Mindy was like, oh, look
we're gonna go on caring Bridge andwe're gonna put stuff out there so everyone
sees it. I'm like, tome, carring bridge means you're dying.
I don't want to be on CarryingBridge. I don't want to let it
doesn't it doesn't. But I'm justI was. I was in a bad
spot in my head because I hadI'm thinking I might be dying and uh,
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and I said, I don't wantto go there, and she could
go fine, I'm gonna write ablog and I'm gonna do it in Facebook.
And I was like, I don'twant to read it. I don't
care to do it ever ever readit. I don't know that I ever
did any of it. But itwas really good. What happened was happy.
So many people. I'm gonna happy. I need. So many people
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had so and you see why Ihad so much fun reading. I could
keep going on with that one.So but but so many people commented on,
gosh, I loved your journey throughcancer. I love you, know,
which is weird. And thank youMindy for we're giving us every step
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of the way, which was shetalked about the most painful stuff, right.
And and then they have people likeRichard Branson reach out and write,
um, laughter is the best medicine, and and quoting what Mindy had written
down and how you know the littlethings, which is all true. Like
I'd be on my backham right,Oh my god, if I can win
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this one, I'm gonna live throughcancer. Right, I just got hang
on. Let me finish his backhamand game two, okay, I didn't
win that one. Let make twoout of three and then um, he
plays until he wins, He reallydoes, and he did. He does
win on Yeah, I know wewere flying together, if you recall,
and I think I was beating youin backgammon and you did not want to
land the plane until you won agame again, relentless. Did you see
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that through the writing this process?I mean this book took a little time
to nail him down. I mean, this guy is hard and n he's
like crazy whirling during Now was thereever a writer's block or was it just
trying to pin him down? Whatwas the most challenging thing in writing this
book? Well, the time framewas definitely not my you know, my
doing. I just want to say, like, but but here's the thing
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I think, you know, inthe book, we talk a lot about,
you know, how Glenn does thingsin general. Right, He's not
you know, he's a he tookthe he studied for the test the night
before. That's not a guy whowas studying all semester long, right,
and you know, and he's stillvery well, he still manages to do
just fine. And you know,it's you know, writing a book as
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a process. And there were thingsthat happened in Glenn's story along the way
where we talked about it, andwe said, maybe we need to let
this play out. We don't wantyour book to feel dated, you know,
if it comes out now, maybewe need to sit on this for
a little while. Let's let thestory continue writing itself. So well,
this didn't go a little bit longerthan most books that I that I write.
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Um, it was important that weallowed the process town fold that way
because I think in the end weended up with a better book. And
I think sometimes you know, asthey say, the universe unfolds exactly as
it should. You know, Glenn'sfather passed away in that year that we
were kind of letting things play out. There were things that happened that that
you know, put a different twiston the story. And in fact,
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we had to come back and writea final chapter that was done maybe a
year and a half after we finishedthe rest of the book. And I
think it was a really important chapterto include in this book. So I
think I think that it's you know, in this process, part of my
job is not just to be therapistand writer and friend. Part of my
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job has to also guide us towardthe best book that we know will mean
the most to the reader and Ithink that that happened in this case.
When I think about people out thereand our audience, I think, I
know many used to say your audience, your mom and dad and my d
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It used to be used to belike poor listeners. I think we have
a lot more. So maybe it'smore than just her mom and dad and
and but anyway, so there area lot of people out there that are
in their own you know, dramaand a lot of things going on in
their life, and they're struggling toget up the mountain and trying to reach
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their goals and their dreams. Andwhen I think about a lot of different
things, like I'll take the TVshow that I did. Half way through,
I knew I was going to fail, and I was trying to find
the exit door as fast as Icould because I thought, if I can
just bow out, they'll never makethe show and no one will ever see
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me fail. But then when youstick it through and then you end up
succeeding, you go, that wasthe best journey I ever took. Because
I thought I was going to fail. I was afraid I would fail,
and yet I kept fighting and Ididn't fail. Well life is like that,
right, Well, writing the damnbook if you remember what did of
course you do and the end,I'm going, I think my mortgage business
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is going to fail. I Amgoing like, we're going to release this
book about what a you know,great business guy I am. And by
the time it comes out, I'mgonna have close down my mortgage company,
right, like, what a hypocrite? And so all those things are exactly
what other people feel. You justkeep hearing in your voice the nose,
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and you hear all the why you'regonna fail, and you've got this,
you know, devil on your shouldertelling you it's okay to quit or you
put your head in the sand orgive up or whatever you want to say.
And all of us go through that. Right when writing the book,
it was done and it felt realgood, except I'm gonna look like a
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hypocrite because I'm gonna have closed downthe mortgage company. So we waited,
right and guess what, I didn'tclose down the mortgage company. I fought
through all that pain. I mean, there's been so much pain in our
industry literally, and it's not chapterthirteen. Oh and what happened since we
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put the book on hold? Wewent up six hundred and one percent market
share. We had our best monthever last month. We are killing it
in the industry. We're the onlycompany that I know that turned a profit
that right now. Because it's verydifficult. We've hired like sixty people or
more this last month or so.I mean, we are hiring everyone else's
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laying off. So it's just anotherexample to people that when you think you're
about to give up, when youthink you're at the end of the road,
you just push once more and keepgoing. And so that's what the
book is all about, right,It's about the grit and it's about doing
it. And and then there wasan example right in the middle of writing
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the book, I'm going here Igo again, you know, goodness,
And so in there it comes outthe other side. It's not over with,
right, I mean, nothing everis. But um, I'm grateful
for the journey. I'm even gratefulfor the nerves right of going, Man,
I am I going to do this? But that's that's part of figuring
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it all out. Stick to it. And I want to say that vulnerability
is you know, a sign ofstrength, right that that that willingness to
to share that in your book.In so many different places. I think,
you know, um will really resonatewith your reader. And I think,
you know, Bendy, you askedme if anything took me by surprise.
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I think that there's a vulnerable scienticleand that you know, I I've
had the privilege of getting to seeand I certainly know you do. But
you know, not a lot ofpeople get to see that side of him,
and but I think they'll they'll bepleasantly surprised at the reflection. You
know, as he said, youknow at the beginning of the interview that
he was reading this going, man, I sound, you know, kind
of like a jerk, but likeyou got it. You have to go
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look, you have to go throughYeah, it was. It was an
evolution of Glenn. He really evolvesin the book who but he and he
and he, you know, andhe recognizes that behavior and things that happened,
even that he had never really talkedabout before we wrote about it in
the book. The reflection on itin the storytelling is really powerful. And
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I think, you know, sometimesit's so much easier to look back through
our you know, more mature eyesthan than we could possibly understand in those
moments. Right as things are happening, and whether it's in business or in
life, and certainly during our adolescence. And so I think that it's really
great that Glenn is so open,uh. And it also I just think
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there are just there's Glenn is fullof an enormous amount of wisdom that you
want. Glenn, he's that guyyou want to sit down with the good
Can I run something by you?Yeah? You know, and you might
not like Glenn's answer, right,because he's a tough love guy. He
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may not tell you the answer youwant to hear. You know what though,
I think about you say, thevulnerability and that kind of stuff.
And I when I when I lookat a lot of successful people, um,
a lot of people want to showyou their best side, right.
They want to show you everything aboutthem that is perfect and working. And
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you know, we once had somebodythat came to us basically said f you
and your perfect lives because they werereading Facebook, right, And I remember,
you know, we reached back outto this lady and said, you
know, Facebook is for where youbut all your good stuff. I had
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if I had a Facebook that wasfor all the bad stuff, it would
be just as good or bad,right, Like there'd be so much in
that side as well. But thisbook is where you you take and you
just show off all your good things, right, and and so what I
found to be the case is somany people that have had success just want
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you to see that side of them. And I've never come from that.
I'm I like to speak to theunderdog man, the people that are struggling
to get there, and say,I have been there, and it is
painful for growth, and it ispainful to succeed, and its painful to
get through a lot of things.But you keep putting one foot in front
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of the other. And so I'mokay with exposing my flaws, right.
I lead with that usually, andI hope and the reason I do it
is that other people would go,God, that guy, he's not that
smart and he's not that good andhe's not Maybe I can do it then,
you know. And that's what Ireally want out of all this,
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that other people will will be ableto find their best self and realize it's
not impossible. Can I just readthe I love how it's dedicated. If
you haven't yet realized your full potential, feel like you're not worthy of success,
or think you've not made it.This book is dedicated to you,
the underdogs of the world. Remember, it's not how you start, it's
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how you finish. That's beautiful.Who wrote that? Somebody in this realm
and this zoom call somebody, Laurais there? Now? Go ahead.
I was gonna say, we hada lot of fun in going back and
forth with some of this, ButGlenn, I'm certainly glad that we included
some of your shenanigans. There's afew, there's anyone that stands out specifically
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to you? You were like,oh my god, Glenn, there were
a few. There were a fewword choices on my part that Glenn's like,
I don't know what that already means, Like, so don't make me
sound smart, just like I wouldnever say that I don't even know what
it means. So I love thatabout Is there anything in all the books
you've written, and you've written somany about you, like the titans of
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their industry and businesses? Do yousee any common theme here between Glenn and
others of the books you've written.I do, especially the business leaders um
that I've worked with. I wouldsay, it's so interesting how so many
of them really came from very humblebeginnings and did not have that leg up,
did not have the silver spoon,but more like a plastic spoon,
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right, and you know wood right. And you know, I think what's
so interesting is what drives that person. I always tell people that, you
know, because the work that Ido, I'm a great study in sociology,
like what do people have in common? And one of the things that
the like the celebrities that I've workedwith, all have in common. It's
shocking, um is that they allhad their like the report cards from every
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grade, and they all have hadtheir diaries. It's like they knew at
some point they were going to documenttheir life interesting and it was. Really
it's a fascinating um trait that theyall share in common. And a lot
of the business leaders that I've workedwith really have had to through through again
through great grit and determination, reallywork hard and really kind of claw their
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way to the top. It doesn'tjust happen, and you know, it's
it is one step forward, twosteps back for a very very long time.
And even you know, even nowGlenn and all your success, you've
experienced that. So I think it'sreally interesting when when somebody comes from such
humble beginnings. What drives them?What? Why do they want to be
successful? And you know, Idon't think Glenn, I could be wrong,
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but I don't think you ever imaginedgrowing up that you were going to
have this kind of success. Ididn't keep one report card I had.
I changed these to the bees.I had no intention of ever giving anybody
a report card. Let's put itthat way, right right right, you
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know, but I don't. Butdid you ever think that that like when
you because like I just finished abook with someone and he knew, like
he just said, you know,one day I'm gonna be a millionaire,
like he said it would when hewas probably in like seventh grade, and
but in his mind, like beinga millionaire was it. And now he's
a multi billionaire. And you know, did you ever have a moment where
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you thought that that was your ownyour future? That was not my driving
goal. It's never been my drivinggoal. Money has never been my driving
goal. So I never thought aboutthat. When I first got out of
like high school, I was thinkingI wanted to be a truck driver because
I could drive and I didn't haveanybody to you know, I could be
my own bossy that was my likemy ceiling, right, and you did
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want to be a dentist? Whatwas that all about? Well? No,
then I then I thought, yeah, let me get into pre general
and I could be a dentist.Yeah. And then but then ology words
hit him in every ology because Ican't do the ologies. But let's say
I think it's important to point outthough that Glenn, you were the first
member of your family to go tocollege. I know exactly, so I
I I went there because I chasedthe girl though I wasn't there like I'm
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going to begree and how to payfor college? That was his degree?
That's right, very smart. Butyeah, now I'm a doctor. Oh
yes, I'll be a doctor,Laura. He's unbearable. All the doctor
Stearns the doctor got the doctor fromGannet University. He's getting a doctor from
Towson University. On a doctor here, and so he's like, don't put
it in a word on aary doctor, say the word doctor. Dude,
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you can't even bell doctor or doctorate. How do you spell doctorate? D
okay? So um do o rk. Hey, I'm frustrated he's getting a
doctorate. Actor. Oh, Iam so going to use that. Thank
you for the little nugget. Butbut no, but honestly, before you
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you let me, U let me. Uh no, I'm not gonna redeem
myself. I'm gonna tell you thatagain. One time I did a little
talk to the kids of um Tolsonand they had put up there on this
big sign welcome distinguished alumni Glenn Stearns. And I got up there. I'm
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like, I think they got thewrong guy, all right, like distinguished,
I said, I think I graduatedlike a two point one, and
the dean stayed up it was atwo point one six. We looked up
your great point right, and thekids in the bath. The guy stayed,
there's hope for me. And that'swho I speak to, right literally,
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I I don't I don't want to. I don't relate to people with
borrow great point averages or whatever.Right there, And as I told my
son, by the way, whostruggles with dyslexia and ADHD and all that
stuff, I said, son,you gotta understand, every single person has
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a gift. They're not all thesame, right. And you see people
that have retention and they can studywell and they can get straight a's.
That's wonderful. That's their gift.But then you and myself and a lot
of other people don't have that gift. So we might develop the personality side
better where we can relate to people, We can talk to people. And
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I said, I guarantee once youget out of college, you wouldn't be
able to be relatable and you'll findthat as a very positive gift. Okay,
No, you can't retain as well, and you don't. You don't
know chemistry or whatever, but it'sokay. The world needs us all they
need every single side. There's noone better or worse. It doesn't matter.
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The guys that have all the straighta's wish they could be more relatable.
The guys that are more relatable wishthey could be to magdam kumlade.
You know whatever, right it's youalways want what you can't have, But
the reality is be comfortable with yourgift, whatever gift, it is right
because it is it is a gift. And you know, I think that's
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been a journey for you as well. That that wisdom is what I'm talking
about, where that you can impartthat wisdom, but you can only impart
that wisdom because of everything that you'vegone through. I remember a story in
the book where you talk about,you know, being away for the weekend
and you were in a group verysuccessful business leaders, and why don't you
tell the story if you have time. It's you know, because you were
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feeling like like you didn't belong inthe room. Well, when I when
I went, we went, wewent hunting. And when we landed the
airplane we were we got into ahelicopter to go up um the Columbia Gorge
and then we were going to landon the property to go hunting. But
as we got into the helicopter,my friends said, do you see those
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jets. Those jets are um areowned by all the guys that are hunting
this whole time. You know that'sset keep memory, puts everything in his
phone and everything goes off. Sohang on, folks out there, if
you rewind this whole thing and youwatch every time my phone goes off,
you see my wife getting more madat me. You don't see the subtle
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little hints like turn your damn ringeroff. I know what she's doing right
all days. So watch that backand you'll see the little So there'll be
more later with that said, Soanyway, all the jets on the runway,
we're all from all the people thatwe're gonna be attending this hunt this
weekend. I'm just gonna speed thisalong because I know how you kind of
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stuffy. So he was feeling veryinferior because all these private jets of all
these muguls, these titans, thesebusiness people. And so he gets in
the room, sits down, andour dear friend, who's always like the
one that starts a conversation at thetable, there's no shit chat. It's
like, let's get deep right away. Foster Freeze an old friend. He
wasn't my old friend. I nevermet him before. He is now he
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has since passed, but he becamehe became a dear friend. But when
he sat down, and I'm sittingthere thinking, how am I going to
relate to these people? I wasyoung, I didn't have my own plane.
I didn't but I had a lotof goods toys, and so I
knew I have to show these peopleI can relate to them. And I
need to wrong here I am worthy. I need to throw in there the
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toys I have and the success I'vehad, because then I'll be worthy of
being in the room with them,and so as our breakfast started, Foster
the dear friend that since passed,I had not met him yet, he
says, Hey, instead of uschit chatting, why don't we start with
you over there and let's get toknow you tell us about yourself. And
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I happen to be the next personover. So this gentleman starts and I'm
thinking, right, I got totalk about my toys. I got to
talk about things, show them becauseI already know they're successful. And at
that point it didn't go from thisguy to me. It went the other
way around the room. And Iwas so grateful for that, because what
I learned as I listened to theseso evolved human beings was that none of
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them talked about their toys. Noneof them talked about They talked about making
a difference in the world, andthey talked about things that that really mattered.
And by the time it got tome, you know, I mean,
I mean, having my young childand having you know, been through
so much of adversity, I wasbawling my eyes out and yeah, and
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then because it was all about lifelessons, and I ran out of there
like I'm gonna start my foundation andI'm gonna do good in the world.
And we went back and we didso many wonderful things that didn't again have
to do with toys or money.But that also stresses the importance of having
mentors in your life, because thesemen became his mentors and it was a
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big string throughout his life. Andyou know, we don't have a lot
of time. I just have acouple of two more questions to ask you,
Laura. As the book title beingintegrity, what does that mean to
you personally? Does this book embodyit? And what does it mean to
you? I think what a greatquestion, min date, because you know,
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we tooled with a lot of differenttitles of the book. First and
foremost, I want to answer thatthe second part of that question. And
I think that Glenn is the epitomeof integrity and in the essence of the
word, not just integrity, butthe great aspect of integrity. And I
think that, yeah, yeah,And I think that for me, I
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think integrity is saying what you mean, meaning what you say, and doing
what you should do even when nobodyelse is looking. No, you know,
Laura, when when I think ofthat, I think about people that
say, wow, that person hasa great cloud over their head, always
had a great They turn your phoneoff, hypocracy while there's chaos. No,
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there's no turn No, this isstaying in there. What's that?
What are you ready? Repeat?After b My book is number three on
Amazon? Who under Arnold schwartznigger?Oh oh he's number two, we're number
one, but his bastard fall.You're good, all right, finish your
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thought. Let's go into the hypocrisyof your phone ringing. But the way
I just can I just to chimein here and go. This was the
fun of writing the book with andgetting to you know, Glenn and Mindy
in this entire journey. There aren'ttwo more amazing human beings on the planet.
And they're they're generous in in everysingle way, but truly with their
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spirit. And so you know,how lucky am I that that I got
the chance to work with with them? Well, you story great integrity,
Yeah, you're deep. I wantto talk about one little thing really quickly,
and that was that's very important aboutwhen people think someone has a great
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cloud and they're always unlucky and allthat stuff. I don't believe any of
that because what it is is howyou live your life and the seeds you
plan along the way right, andwhen you do that, then you will
have good luck or bad luck inyour life. And one quick example,
I don't kick me because I knowwe have to go, but that is
that my son had gone through someissues in his uh school once. Don't
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I'm not I'm not ver get deepon that. But what I'm saying,
oh, poor Laura, No,she's got two minutes. So what happened
was, um, he ended up. They asked him to leave for for
a couple months right out of theschool, and they didn't ask his accomplished
the lady friend to leave. AndI said, do you think that's fair?
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Son? He because I don't know, maybe I go. I do
think it's fair that she stayed andyou didn't have to. And I'll tell
you why. She was on thehonor roll. She had zero demerits.
She had never been in trouble.You were not on the honor roll,
and you know you were kind ofon the other end of that, and
you had like sixteen demerits. Noneof them were important. Your tie wasn't
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on right that day, he didn'tcut your hair. Little things that you
think don't matter. But I'll tellyou what, all these little things in
life matter, because one day theycome back don't roost right, And one
day people are either going to atyou because you've been good and you've been
on the hon a row and you'vebeen or they're gonna let you go when
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they add it up. And whenthey looked at you all these old nickicknick,
they said, you know what,it's time to let the guy go.
And I said, that's life.And so I think when people go
out there and they plant their seeds, either good or bad, it'll come
back. And you can call themsunny days or you can call them cloudy
days. It doesn't you know whicheverside you're on right, what seeds are
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you planning and what do you water? And so that has to do a
lot with where I found uh my, um, you know kind of life
of going. Man, it's noone else is looking, but it's well,
I'll know personally what's going on,and I'll know whether or not I
want to do it. But withall that said, Laura, because that
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was really the whole bottom line ofthe book was that I think we can
end up breathing our last breast,very very very content and happy with what
we've done if we lived true toourselves, or it won't be such a
happy ending if we cut corners.You just said breast and happy endings,
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did. I am one sense aswell. So I want you to know
how grateful I am we're being ableto Laura. You've been at the words
down truly on the paper for me, and and I'm very, very proud
of the book. Thank you forall that you've done, Laura, real
fast. I know we got awrap, but didn't you tell us that
one of the people who read thebook, who reads books for living every
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day all day, had a profoundreaction to it. Isn't that what you
said happened with one of the editorsor someone that read. I think it
was Hope and Ellie and um,she yeah. I mean this is a
woman who's who has you know,as a as an editor, she has
shepherded some of the biggest books youknow, to be published, and um,
(42:59):
she's you know, she was incrediblymoved by Glenn's story of resilience and
overcoming. And you know, it'shard to impress your editor because usually you
know, their job is to tearit apart a little bit to make it
better. And in this particular instance, she didn't have a lot of work
to do there, but she yeah, no, she really was incredibly moved
(43:21):
by by the story. And youknow, and it just goes to show
this is a story that touches alot of people in a lot of different
ways. There will be bits andpieces of your story, Glenn. I
think we'll speak to a very wideaudience. And so you know, if
you if you are in the mortgagelending business, you'll be inspired because Glenn
is a legend in that business.If you like Glenn's you know, really
(43:43):
fun stories about his times, uh, you know, doing reality television.
I think meeting and falling in lovewith Mindy is an amazing story. I
think you know, all the storiesabout your your children, and your legacy,
and your father and your mother,and you know, some of the
incredible I don't want to call themcoincidences because I don't think that's what they
(44:04):
were. I think they were just, you know, moments that were meant
to be. I think that there'sso much that people will take away from
this, and they got a littlebit of that wisdom today during our conversation.
You know, you've told a lotof great stories, some of which
are in the book that I think, you know, demonstrate how you look
(44:25):
at things, and if nothing else, I think that you bring a very
unique perspective to what others might perceiveis being impossible situations and in your world,
I just don't think that word exists. Oh that's beautiful. Wow,
thank you. Wow. We amso enjoyed being with you. You have
(44:47):
a very busy life. You havea big documentary out Their Anxious Nation,
that's been out in theaters, gettingawards, getting all sorts of accolades because
you really wrap a nice, bigpacket about the angs xiety epidemic in this
country. And I think that isanother thing we can talk about another episode.
Please come back and talk to us. Get your books wherever you can
(45:07):
right now. On Amazon they arethey're they're selling. You can get books
five a million. There's so manygreat places with Barnes and Noble. But
you want to get your copy.It comes out bell May twenty third,
and you know what, You've gotto sharpe ready to go. So many
time you see Glenn this, Holyyeah, I would say I would say
that this book, you know,is a howdy start a movement, right
(45:28):
and I would say that when peopleread this book, it's the book they're
going to want to tell their friendsto get. It's the book that they're
gonna want to share with their friends. And you know, there's going to
be earmarked, pages, underlined,you know, statements, all of that.
So I think, you know,I think there's I'm really looking forward
to seeing, you know, howpeople respond to it. Glenn and I
thank you both for having me todayand sharing a little bit about our journey
(45:51):
on getting Integrity written. Our producerjust yelled from the background, Who's playing
Glenn in the movie? Who wouldyou cast? Laura? Matt Damon?
Oh, well, there you go. You see, Actually he might be
all right, Matt Damon would bea great Glenn, don't you think.
I don't know. I was Iwas thinking I was going to say somebody
(46:12):
who I know, we're not tosay it because there's a story about him.
Um, I think Matt Damon's agreat choice. But you know,
well, manifest it. Matt Damonwill manifest it. Well, Matt will
Matt jam infested and listen, Ithink there is a movie here. That's
how That's how good I think thebook is not because I wrote it.
It's because Glenn has lived every singleone of these stories. Yeah he has,
(46:37):
and I've lived half of them.That so many friends. You believe
your stories, Glenn. Until Istarted being in a lot of the stories,
I'm like, well, maybe there'llbe a book too. Thank you,
Laura. We are so so gratefulfor your time and all that you
gave and contributed today's conversation and notjust now, what over the past three
years once we first met you.Thank you for the friend you are a
(47:00):
God send to us. So thankyou for tuning in. Yes, pretty,
it's so pretty. I love theraise words. I mean, is
that an amazing cover? Or what? Look at that? Why did all
these other guys start coppying me likeArnold? And who's this? Covers exactly
like yours, Prince Harry. Butthat's a meating book. That's meat.
(47:25):
There's a lot of meat on thisbook. You are you know? All
right? That's it? You've beenlistening to another episode? Uh, make
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