May 11, 2023 • 46 mins
John Elway and Glenn share many memories as friends and they’ve joined in business ventures together. They couldn’t be more opposite, and more alike! They talk about their unique friendship and what bonds them most is their love for family, friendship, and Integrity. They both share a similar passion for people who never say never. You will be sure to laugh and be inspired.
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Hi, I'm Mindy Stern and thisis Grit Happens. On this show,
we engage in candid conversations with someof the most successful people in every field
and from every walk of life,oh with the common thread of grit and
the common goal of not just surviving, but thriving. And we hope the
show helps you feel informed, energized, and especially inspired. So let's get
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started. This is grid Happened.And here we are with another episode of
Grit Happens. It's so good tobe back in studio. We continue our
series on Integrity, the launch ofGlenn's book and some of the wonderful characters
throughout his lives that have been ina big impact and summer even in the
story, some of even endorsed thestory. Today we have someone really needs
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no introduction, John. I mean, if they don't know who you are,
they've been living under a rock.But our dear friend and superhero in
the sports world, mister John Elway, are you doing Yeah? I haven't
heard that kind of intro in along time. I kn't of like it.
Come on, doesn't your wife dothat every day when you get Yeah?
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I can't wait to get me therethat's right, that's Mandy here.
He comes out of the bathroom,a liar, underdog and doctor. He's
getting another doctor to his name.No, I don't know about you,
but my wife, she she doeswhat they we call the slow play.
Right. Oh yeah, you getin bed, they get out there,
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they're taking off their makeup and they'rejust wait and hope you fall asleep.
That yeah, that takes me abouteight minutes. So that shows up.
I don't know how. She musthave a time pretty well, because I
remember when she comes to bed.Are you saying, boy, they've they've
learned that very well. Anyway,we digress. Yes, yes, so
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he obviously, and honestly, Iappreciate you for for many things, our
friendship, um number one, butfor um you know, I did that
little show and had a lot ofpositive feedback. I was absolutely flattered by
it, and so they said,I write the book. So I kind
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of you know, three years,well actually forty years, people have been
telling me if she's had so manystories over the years, and I'm sure
you heard almost all of them therein the book. There's there might be
a couple there of you where youguys have had some fun together. You
guys had a lot of wisdom,a lot of late nights, a lot
of final finals where you guys hada lot of great philosophical talks about life
in the world. And but butto your point, I mean, to
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that point is um, you know, when you boil it down and you
start to think what's important in yourlife and then you want to put it
down. In my case, it'smore about um I say it kind of
like that, like leading with myflaws, meaning you know, I'm not
perfect, and I like people maybethat are out there to realize, you
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know, you want to achieve somethingin life. You know, I don't
know anybody that just has just gotit all going on and it just happens.
It doesn't happen that way. It'shard fricking work, man. It
is hard, you know, andI don't think people realize how hard it
is. And plus in that theyjust see the positive and everything that's happened
good rather than all the down timesthat you had too, right, because
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to enjoy the good times, youhave to have some, you know,
some downtimes, and there's a lotof downtimes going through that. And that's
why it's you know, life's aheck of a battle. No matter what
you do, it's a heck ofa battle. And there's ups and downs
with everything. You just hope thatyou have more ups than you do downs,
but you have to be able topick yourself up and you know,
wipe yourself off and say, listen, you know we're gonna go back at
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this again. Obviously, in theworld of sports, you know, we're
excuse me, we're tested week toweek and so you know, one week
you go out and have a greatgame, and the next week you you
know, you struggle a little bitand don't play nearly as well. So
you know that football is, youknow, one game a week and each
game is so important. So thoseups and downs, and you know,
no, overall, I think iswhere you can't look at the big picture
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and say, okay, was itsuccessful or not as a season, as
a career, as a life.You look at the big picture. But
in that picture, and you know, as you said, Glenn as if
you've experienced too, is that there'sa tremendous amount of ups, but there's
also a tremendous amount of downs.And it's it's the ones that can pick
themselves up during the down and duringthe down periods that can continue to come
back and be successful. Exactly.I think about your career, and you
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know, you look at let's notgo a week the week, Let's look
at a career, right you youknow, you rang the bell, so
to speak, hit the I alwayssay, it's not how you start,
it's how you finished. But youwon the last two Super Bowls of your
career, and off you're in thesunset. But what you gotta remember you
lost the first three that you wentto, right, and people, you
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know, you know, the youngerpeople don't realize, Hey, John Away
won the lost two super Bowls?No, but how did it feel to
lose three in a row? Right? You know? Right, that's the
pain. And that's the thing isthose were early in my career. I
went to my first Super Bowl inmy fourth year, and so my fourth,
fifth, and seventh, fourth,fifth and seventh years. So we
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went. We went to Super Bowlthree out of four years, and really
the first time we played the Giantsin passa DNA and we were headed at
halftime ten to nine. We hadmade the longest field goal in Super Bowl
history. Then we missed the shortestfield goal in Super Bowl hits right before
halftime, we had first goal onthe one yard line and didn't get any
points out of it, so wentin that one at ten nine at halftime,
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and then the Giants got really hot. Phil Sims was like nineteen out
of twenty two for the game,was you know, the the MVP of
the game and really played well thatsecond half and we ended up getting beat
thirty nine to twenty in that one. And the next year year that we
were playing their red skins and we'reup ten nothing after the first quarter,
Doug Williams, Doug Williams, andthen nineteen plays later we were down thirty
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five to ten. So you know, that was a very disappointing. We
missed a year in the nineteen eightynine we went against the forty nine ers
and they really had a they hada great football team, and so they
were much better than us and wewere. We got beat fifty five to
ten, and that was nineteen eightynine, and so you know, you
talk about as great as the SuperBowl wins are, there's not a more
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disappointing loss because once you know there'stwo teams left, and when you're in
the Super Bowl and the winners arethe World champs and the other you know,
the loser cannon just goes back withthe rest of everybody, and everyone
forgets how many wins they got toget there. So you know, it's
like it's so quickly you're defined bya loss, but it's also paving the
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way towards the celebration of a greatsuccess to come. And I think those
losses are learned, learned, thelossers are learned. And I'd say this
all the time, as Joe Montanawon four, you know, won four
super Bowls, never lost one,and I said, well, he doesn't
appreciate him those two wins that Ihad nearly as much as I do as
I do, just because of thefact that he never lost one and never
felt how painful those those losses are. So you know. And then after
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that third Super Bowl was eight yearsbefore we went back, and so you
know, and then finally my fifteenthyear and sixteenth year we got back there
we're able to win it. Wewent into the Super Bowl thirty two,
which is my fifteenth year, thefirst one we won, and we were
fourteen point underdogs to the Packers andthey were the defending champs and had won
it the year before, so youknow, heavy underdogs, and it was
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funny. I remember calling my momafter we had beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh and
we were on the airplane and Icalled my mom and I said, hey,
Mom, we get a chance togo back to the super Bowl.
And there's like a long pause andshe goes, do we really have to
go back to the super Bowl?But you know, all Davis had a
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great game. We're able to runthe football. They were a really good
football team. But that we ranthe football, we're able to get over
the hump and and win that game. And it was you know, there
was other than my kids being born, There wasn't a single moment in my
life that I was more and morehappy, uh And you know, and
really a feeling of accomplishment to beable to and after fifteen years, to
get over that hump. Because there'sa lot of talk after those first three
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Super Bowls that we'd never get backand we can't, we can't win the
big game and data data out soyou have to file. You know,
you find all that negative press throughoutthe whole way. But you know,
we were able to keep our nosedown and keep focused on what the goal
was and that was that was towin a world championship and thank god where
we get it done twice. Youknow, I when I when I think
about that game, you know itwas what was is saying when when when
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one for win this for John orI guess ones for John for John after
we'd wanted yea, our owners saidthat, which was a great feeling.
Yeah, and you know you thinkabout how revered you know you were and
are and I still are. Butmy point is it's not about it,
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and it's not about giving you abig head. And you know I've spent
a lot of time on this.It's about, uh, it feels good
to be to have that kind ofrespect and it's earned right, it's not
given. And the fact that,um, you were very good to people
and fair and level headed and youknow, you know we we've talked about
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different things. And I asked youbefore when when we've been um just alone
and sitting there finals and I wouldn'tbringing that up, but yeah, but
how I'd say, you know,you've been sacked four or five times in
a row, and like what doyou do in the huddle? Right?
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Like what do you say to theseguys to fire them up. Are you
yelling at him? Or what areyou doing U? Once you get the
answered, well, yeah, youknow, and I Thursday nights was our
night out with the offensive line everyevery week, and so I take them
out every Thursday. So I wasable to be able to spend some quality
time with those guys. But youknow, my I was not a screamer
and a holler and a yeller.I was just, you know, a
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competitor, and I knew that.You know, every time we got on
the field, everybody was doing thebest they can. But when I was
when we got up to a toughstart and I got hit maybe five or
six times in the first couple ofseries, and dropped backs and sacked a
couple of times, and we'd havea TV time out and I just get
in there and instead of holler andscream, and I'm just say, Okay,
are you guys mad at me?If you guys are mad at me,
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please tell me why you're mad atme, And I promise you I
will apologize because if I offended youguys in any way, I did not
mean to do that. So ifif you are mad at me, just
tell me, tell me right now. Because we actually got a way to
keep me up right, so Ican get the ball downfield a little bit.
And you know what, and that'sjust true on a sign of leadership,
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right because they already know that theylet you down. You don't have
to tell them right, right,they know they feel bad enough, and
so by you kind of and alittle humor, they say, well,
you know this guy, we likehim, We're gonna we want to defend
him more. You know what Imean. You don't want to have to
say you knew it. Yeah,in relationships is so important. I think
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those are the most important thing.And you know, leadership comes in so
many different forms, right, everybodyhas their own way to lead and how
they get the respect. But ultimatelya leader does get that respect. And
when when somebody does talk and howyou talk to them and you talked with
respect, I think you get therespect back and they understand that. Now,
different guys, you know, takecoaching different ways and hear different things
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and learn different ways. But forthe most part, it was my philosophy
that you know what, I'm gonnabe their friend. And I kind of
did it by how I worked,and so I did it by example,
and to me, that was themost important thing is I didn't ever want
them because they everybody always puts thequarterback on a pedal. So I was
fighting my whole life to get offthat pedestal and let them know I'm just
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a cog in the machine and everybodyelse, everybody has their job to do
in the machine, especially in thegame of football when you have to have
eleven guys go in the same direction, that I was just a cog in
that machine and that I was notany more important than anybody else on that
football team. And so I didthat by how I worked in the offseason,
how I worked in the weight room, how I worked on the practice
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field, And so that said thatfor me, it's set that example to
whereas if I would gain that respectbecause I had to do more than anybody
else did, and if I didn't, I never took the shortcuts and never
wanted to know anything given to him. So that to me is how you
can lead is get the respect ofthe people around you, knowing that you're
working just as hard as they are. John, I have a question on
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that note. You know you talkabout being a leader. Is there a
leader in your life who left asignificant impact of how they led that you
followed an example, or who arethe greatest leaders you've had that you feel
impacted your life and the most significant. I mean, I think that the
one thing that I had with myparents. I mean, both my mom
and dad were you know, theywere both my idols and they were great
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parents. I loved them both.My dad was a football coach, and
so therefore, obviously, you know, and as a football coach, are
not around a lot because they're they'reworking and spend a lot of time in
the office and the film room,those type of things. So I didn't
have He was gone a lot whenI was younger, and so I knew
the way that, you know,for me to get his attention was to
be pretty good in sports and Iand I plus plus I loved it and
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uh and I love to compete.So you know, number one was my
dad and if if if I madehim proud of me, that's all that
I needed. I didn't I didn'treally care what anybody else said. And
you know, when I was inhigh school, you know, on Friday
nights, everybody after the football gamesto go to the Shaky's pizza parlor,
and you know, I'd go homeand download with my dad for about a
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half hour before after the games thathe could come see and then then I'd
go to the Shaky's Pizza parler afterthat. But he was a guy that
was a guy that was always,you know, my idol, guy I
looked up to and how you know, he was a one that molded me
into the player that I was,and and so you know, he'd be
the number one guy. You know, as far as a quarterback, my
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favorite was Roger Staubach. You know, I liked the way that he played
the game and I liked the factthat, you know, he was a
military guy that had come out ofmilitary, was got a late start because
of his commitment to the Naval Academyand I think he started his career when
he was twenty eight years old.And you know, it was a guy
that moved around and I, youknow, my style of play was probably
like his, or you know,moved around quite a bit, made some
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big plays outside the pocket. Soand plus the way he lived his life
off the field and the role Mollywas off the field. So those are
the two guys that were probably thebiggest influence. Now, my mom doesn't
get enough credit because she was theone that was taking me to practice all
the time, and the good itwas on the table all the time,
and was at all the football,all my games, all my any sport,
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baseball, I played baseball also,So she was always the one that
was their support when my dad couldn'tbe so there. I was very very
lucky to have too great you know, role models as as as parents.
When I think of, um,why we're friends, Um, it's a
lot to do with It's not aboutyour career, it's your the way you
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live your life. And I've alwayslooked up to you because you have been
very consistent in on and off right. You're a very humble person for for
someone who has um such great,great success, And I'm attracted to people
that have great success. And Idon't mean it's you know, in any
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Glynn never knew anything about football.But you know that I'm not I don't
not much. I like people thatwill try their best whatever it is right
and do their best. And andso in thinking about you know again you
could be the best shoeshine guy.I want to know why you do it
and how you do it right andand so and it's not again about you
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know, having a being the bestathlete it was, you know, the
what you did again in your community, back to the part on and off
the field, and how people havelooked up to you, and how you've
handled your life in certain ways,and so I am and your consistency.
Right, you're in Denver. Youstayed in Denver the whole time. You
didn't go for they I'll trade forthis much more money. You figured it
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out right. It's communication. Andso there's so many little things that meant
that I look and I admire inyou. Um in that. And then
you've gone on to do very similar, great successful things and you're you know,
um, auto clubs or dealerships,thank you and other things like that,
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and you look at it and yougo okay, and you're happy.
There's one story that I love thatI tell a lot, and I believe
maybe it's it's in here. Idon't remember, but um is when you
said you were playing golf. No, you're gonna tell the story. I
love it because it tells how humblethe guy is. I know, you're
sitting there playing golf with Vice PresidentDan Quayle, and he's a little frustrated
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because he's you guys are both scratchgolfers. But these other guys are either
beating me at the point or doingsomething. And you walk over to Dan,
and what did you tell him?Yeah, I'm forgetting this one,
gud. I can't remember this whenyou tell me this one, I can't.
I'll tell you wasn't any saying everybodywants to see the president. Yeah,
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it happened to you, and rightwhen it happened, I think you
told me about it. And yousaid, yeah, Dan is frustrated and
he's kind of mumbling under his breathand he's you know, when you walk
over, you said, put myarm around him. I said, what's
wrong, Dan? And Dan says, you know, everybody wants to say
they beat the vice president at golf. And you reach over, you got
your arm around him. You said, Dan, let's face it, we're
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both has beens, you know.I mean, that's right. Yeah,
it's like make fun of it.Come on, man, you know,
every dog has his day and you'renever going to be on top forever,
right, You never right? Youknow? And the thing is you're right
when and when you are in thatpedal still, people do want to beach
in I you know, I feltthat throughout my you know, playing golf
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and when you play, because theywant to run home and tell their friends
at the beach in So I meanthat that brings out the competitive side of
everybody, especially because to me,you have to be If you're not competitive,
it's very difficult to be real successfulbecause that's what makes that's what drives
you to be successful and be thebest whatever you do is the competitive nature.
And you know, obviously would bea president of the United States,
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you have to be awful competitive toget to that level. And politic and
what he did and like you didsay, we are getting older and you
know what, we're not going towin every time, and uh, you
know, especially in golf because theharder you try and golf, the worse
it gets you get. Yeah,but you know I wasn't I'd say this
gland is The thing is um youknow when we talk about you know,
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people and personalities, and you know, people put athletes and celebrities and you
know, they put them on apedestal. And you know, like I've
said, I've worked my whole lifetrying to get off that pedestal to have
people realize that, you know what, just because what I do is on
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TV, and everybody else you know, sees you on TV that they put
you on that pedestal. But ultimately, in everybody's life, no matter what
you do, whether it's mortgage business, then like you've been success so successful
that and all your other ententrepreneurial thingsthat you've done, is that you you
worked, you worked your tail outto get there, and you're not You're
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just great at what you do.And that doesn't make me any better than
anybody else. It just makes megood at what I do. And I
think that that's the thing that I'vealways had as a mindset is that you
know what I respect, as yousaid, I respect anybody that's great at
what they do, no matter whatthat is. And and and not necessarily
do they have to be great atit, but if they work hard at
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it, and then and they're focusedon what they do, and you know,
it's a goal of them to youknow, you know, for me
as a as a guy, doas a father, is to be able
to support your family. That's thenumber one, you know, the thing
that we all do in our livesto be able to support our families.
And you know, it's funny I'lldigress a little bit. And I was
asking my dad one time, andmy mom was mad at him because you
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know, he didn't come home andyou know, he was this and this
is probably you know, when Iwas thirty five four years old, I
think it was right after I retired, and I said, Dad, I
said, you know, why don'tyou ever just come home? And you
know, first of all, hesaid, why don't you call? He
goes. Johnny says, I triedthat, he said, so I decided
I was just going to get introuble once and that's when I got when
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I got home. But number two, he says, Johnny said, I
want you to I want you torealize this and this is not something that
don't take it literally. He says, But my job was number one and
my family was number two. Isaid, well, why is that?
He says, Because, john hesays, because if A didn't have a
job, I wouldn't be able totake care of my family. And that's
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why I had to commit to myjob so I could support my family.
And that's why I had to makethat commitment as a priority that I had
to have a job. And itis you know, football coaches get fired
all the time, and so itwas so important for him to do the
best job that he could to makea living, to be able to support
the family. And so you know, because you always say, well family
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is number one, yet naturally itis, but that's why has to be
number one two and they're really oneor one A because if you don't have
a job, then you really can'ttake care of your main priority and that
your family. That goes right.I just want to digress on just on
another note, and that boils downto a character, you know, of
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something having character and commitment, andthere's lies on a lot of the shoulders
of a lot of men and womenthat do have to put their jobs so
they can support their family. It'svery hard to live without income. And
I want to touch on that becauseyou talk about the character and and you
know and your family and what youyou had, something very similar happened to
you that happened to me, andthat is you know you are um,
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you know, a big presence inthe world of sports. UM I did
fairly well in the world of businessand and and both in community, in
my community of your community. Andwhat happened to me, very similar to
you, was I had a talkwith my son and he came to me
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one day and we were talking aboutsomething. He says, do you understand
how heart it is to live inyour shadow? And there's a lot of
people that you and I both knowthat have had some children that are have
struggled living in their parents' shadow,their dad or mom's shadow or whatever.
And you had a very healthy kindof look at that, as I feel
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I did as well. Where Isat with my son, I to listen.
I don't want you to go onand have to run a mortgage company
and be the best at that.I've never once asked you that I want
you to be happy. Let's thinkof that. You could be the best
teacher, you could be whatever youwant to be. But if I ever
said I'd be disappointed if you didn'trun my company. And I remember when
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your son was put on the frontpage of the Colorado newspaper for being in
the university there in Arizona, right, And I remember your statement because I
was thinking I'd spent the night thatnight, and you were very frustrated,
like why do they want to putthat pressure on him? You know,
like you weren't out there going yay, look at this you're saying, you
know, it's it's unnecessary, right, and and unfortunately that you know,
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people look at that too. AndI think my son, you know,
he played football, and he wasa pretty good football player and when,
as you said, went to ArizonaState on a football scholarship. But you
know, I think, you know, on an eighteen nineteen year old kid,
that's a heck of a lot ofpressure that you know, you have
because they know who the dad is. And I and I, you know,
I really never understood that because Inever had that, But I think
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as I got older, I understoodthat a little bit. And you know,
and my son's now thirty three yearsold, and you know, he
says today, you know, tellsme all the time. He says,
you know, Dad, I wishI was just a little bit more grown
up at that time. But ateighteen, it's hard to be that grown
up to be a stand that situation. So, you know, it's unfortunate
that society puts that pressure on siblings, and then sometimes the siblings feel it,
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and there's no doubt they you know, they feel that the kids feel
it. So it's an unfortunate situation. And you know, it's it's hard,
but you're right in the fact thatI about my kids to be happy
and be successful and do what theyenjoy doing and enjoy their life. And
I'm very fortunate. I've got fourbeautiful kids and they're all four married with
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beautiful mates. And so you know, it's that to me is as as
much as source of pride as anythingI've ever did on the football field.
Yeah, you know, I wantto I want to touch on something really
quick because you both, you guysare friends for a reason. You've attracted
one another, and you have similarmindsets. And you know, the book
is called Integrity, and grit isat the center of integrity. And I'd
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love to know in your words,and when you look at Glenn and see
what you admire about him and whathe admires about you in your mind,
is what is the definition for youof integrity? What does that mean when
someone possesses it? And can theyhave just a little bit or is it
all or none? What's your youknow, I think integrity comes with trust.
If you have integrity, people willtrust you and they'll believe in what
you say and they'll believe in whatyou do. And I think that you
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know, and it's great. Youknow, I would never realize that grit's
in the middle of that we're atintegrity. That's what I love about the
title is that that's you know,highlighted there because it does take grit to
be successful and you have to beable to fight through the negative things that
we've talked about, because there's upsand downs. But integrity is something that
when to be successful, especially inthe business world, Glenn, like you
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are, as well as football withplayers have to your teammates have to trust
you, and they have to believein what you're telling them is the truth,
and that that also leads into theleadership piece of it too. So
integrity is the basis in my opinion, of any person that's been successful in
what they've done, because obviously younever get there by yourself. You know,
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you have so many pieces to thepuzzle and there's so many people that
help you get there, and youknow, you hope you raise all boats
on the way there that everybody elseis able to have the success that you
have too, as you know,as a leader in the company or leader
on a football team, whatever itmay be, that you have that basis
to where they can look at youand they believe in what you say,
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and that's how you get the bestout of them. And then you also
have the you're giving them the opportunityto be the best that they can be.
And I think that that's all youknow, you as a leader can
do and provide your you know,the people that work for you, your
employees that worked there, and butalso make them a piece of that and
thrilled that they're there and want tocome to work every day. When you
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cut corners, when you don't keepyour word, when you think more about
yourself than others, and you treatothers in a way that you know you
you use them to get ahead,you build the shakiest foundation you could ever
build in any kind of and peopleyou can mask it. You can do
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whatever you think you're doing to beclever, and it will come back.
And when the time that you needpeople, they will not be there.
But when you care more about otherpeople and you understand that that your word
is your bond and and that youalso live a life that you're not just
thinking you're very when you're a generoushuman being, you know, and then
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the world shakes because it always does, right people are there to catch you.
And again I don't mean they're goingto write a check for you,
right, They're just there to havea shoulder or listen or give you some
advice. Right. It's not youknow, it's not like, hey,
I want to be there so thenI can use this person later on.
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No, it's it's that's the completeopposite, and people can see through it.
When you're authentic and you truly care, then the world seems to work
out because you're We all go throughthe ups and the downs no matter what.
And by the way, it doesn'tmean business, It can mean relationships.
It can mean so many different thingsbecause we need people in our dark
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times, and nobody gets out ofit without having some dark times. And
when that comes, you know,when you plant its seeds, they're either
seeds or people surround you, orpeople just watch it fall, you know.
Right, Yeah, that's that's life, you know, grand And that's
you know, That's what I admireso much about you is the fact of
what you've done in your business career, but even more importantly is the relationships
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that you've created. I think thatyou know, we come from different backgrounds,
We come from different businesses, andyou know, the relationship that we've
had has been I have better conversationswith you than I've ever had with anybody
else because we come from such differentbackgrounds that we have so much to talk
about a lot of times when you'rearound football players all the time and dada
da da, you know, youdon't have any different stories or anything or
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talk about. Obviously the background,which you know, the closer you are
to them, the more you knowabout them. But I think that you
know your background or what you've done, what you bought through your whole life
and the things that you've been throughto be able to get to where you
are is tremendous. And that's whyI think, my you know, the
reason why I'm so you know,connected with you as well as you know,
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respect you so much, it's becauseof the fact of then and the
breadth of knowledge that you have,and it's really in people. And you
know, obviously building the businesses thatyou've built, You've got great people that
have worked for you and they're stillwith you. And I think that that
is a true true tale of youknow what you're all about and you know,
and you know I always say thistoo, is it you know when
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time, when the time comes andyou know we're all going to leave this
earth, you know, it doesn'tmatter, It doesn't The most important thing
is when we leave is you know, not necessarily what we did, but
the relationships we had why we're here, because that's what people are going to
remember. Then I canna remember howmuch money you had. They may remember,
you know, you want a coupleof Super Bowls and new rand Sterns
and now you're a new company andkind that they'll remember that, but they'll
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you know, what they'll talk aboutis they're going to talk about what type
of person you were. And that's, to me, is the most important
legacy that you can leave is thatpeople actually enjoyed being around you. Yeah.
No, I absolutely appreciate that.That's why you're one of my closest
friends. John I. I Irespect you equally for that you had.
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You were up for an award,um what was the name of that one
that's in Harol Self Hope Ball andthere was all these famous celebrities and you
know them all as well, andyou had asked me and Minny to present
that to you at this big,huge ball And I was very touched by
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that because it again, it showedme your character because all these people at
this big little ball they don't knowwho Minnie and I are. And and
you could have picked some big celebrityto kind of endorse look at who I
am because I know this big celebrity, right, But that wasn't what you
were about. You said, Iwant my friend to do it, you
know, And it made me.It touched me again because it showed the
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depth of what you're about, youknow, as as I you know,
you you had your your daughter talkto you, you know, induct you
into the Hall of Fame. Youdidn't have some big football guy, right,
you know, and so it showsyour character. And you know,
those things are again when you takea big step back and you really look
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at exactly what you're saying. AndI hope people at home get this that
life is about relationships. It's notabout look at me and look at you
know, my stuff, this stuff. It's look at the depth of the
people I'm surrounded with, right,right, that's it, that's right.
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How many friends do you have,and you know, how many close friends
do you have? You know,obviously it's a busy world and it's really
hard to share too much time withtoo many people. But it's like,
you know, for instance, twodays ago, I had my high school
receiver out here and we played tworounds of golf, and so, you
know, those type of things Ihaven't lost my I went to La this
week. My high school baseball coachwent into the La City CIF Hall of
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Fame, and so went out thereto his hall of fame, which was
which was great. It was overdueand he was you know, obviously when
you talk about that level high schoolcoaches have what an impact they have on
one's life, and he had ahuge impact. But those are the type
of things that you know, arethe most important thing to me. Yeah,
granted, fame is good. Fameis not nearly what everybody thinks it
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is, as you know, andso um, it can be very flighting
and can be very shallow. AndI think that having experienced that, that's
why I really look at depth inrelationships and really get to know people and
people that you can trust. Andagain goes back to the same thing in
the name of the book, thathave integrity. So I'll touch on three
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famous things and then and bring itand tie it back into what you just
said. You are known for threefamous plays. Right when you were in
college Stanford, the band play thedrive No no, no no, band
ran on yes, and then theDrive of course, right, and then
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the helicopter. Helicopter, helicopter,Yeah, yeah, And so I mean,
let's face it, right, inany sport, you know, if
you can. I mean, lookat Frank o'harris, right, immaculate reception.
He's got one, you got three, man, I mean, that's
that's pretty damn good and uh twotrue through but um but still, you
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know when you look at that ina career and and you know, um,
I remember when um, there wasa gentleman that made that bronze statue
of the helicopter and you had itat your bar and you were telling the
story about what happened and how youwere there and you you're two inch vertical
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and all you know, the wholestory behind the helicopter. And then you
said, Glenn, I want togive you this broun that touched me so
much. I have that in myoffice. It's a very important, um
part of my life. And Ireally again it speaks to a friendship and
it means a very lot to me. Well, you've been so great to
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us and and uh, you knowit's I'm lucky to have friends like you
two. That's for darn't here.I mean it's, uh, you know,
this life is you know, it'sbeen great. I know I always
say this too. And here's theother thing about life is, you know
I look at it and you know, I'm believer in God and Jesus and
everything. And you know, whetherthere's reincarnation or not, you know,
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who knows, but I know myphilosophy is, even if there is reincarnation,
there is zero chance my life isgoing to be nearly as good the
next time I come back around.I'm going to get the most out of
this one. That's right. Well, I could be a dog. That'd
be pretty awesome. Just the rightfamily, right dog and your family,
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mindy, I could come back andthat'd be good. Yeah. So I
think of the people that listen tothis show, and you know, it's
again, it's usually a lot ofpeople that, um, you know,
are listening because they want to getsome inspiration, hopefully on leadership or on
growing a business, or on goingthrough life. You know, it doesn't
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have to be about that. Andyou know the stories, right, they're
what they The common thread again isthat you know when you're kind, when
you're when you care, when you'refair, when you're not trying to have
a win lose, when you understandthat um that people are more important than
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profits or or your own you know, you know, getting ahead that life
tends to then at you know,treat you pretty pretty good. And if
you do it, if you doit right, you know, you have
less of the lows and more ofthe highs, but you're still you have
the lows, but there are peoplethere for you at that time. And
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so I hope people get that outof what you and I are talking about
it. John, you were sogenerous to provide a quote for Glenn's book,
which I'll just read it real quickand you can elaborate upon it.
Glenn possesses the tenacity and drive ofthe greatest athletes I've ever encountered. He's
taken some of the hardest hits lifehas dealt and always stays in the game.
That's your little buddy, I know. And you know what, and
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Mandy, you know this as wellas anybody, but he really has.
And Glenn, that's where you know, I admire you so much. I
mean, I get the different storiesthat you've told me, especially back in
oh eight o nine when it seemedlike the whole world was blown up for
you, and the things that whenyou were talking about that and the things
that you did when you know,you were trying to be one of the
lenders for certain people and you hadto go and say, you know,
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I don't don't drop me. Andthen you know, you were the guy
that got on an airplane went satdownstairs even though they told you, you
know, we can't get a meeting, and you know they don't have time,
we're going to go a different direction. But you you know, got
on an airplane and got there andwent in that building and sat down there
until they would meet with you.And you know, you came out of
that thing with shining colors. Andso I mean, those are those are
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the little things that I think makepeople successful like you are, Glenn.
And the fact that you do thosethings and you don't take no for an
answer, and you keep going andyou keep trying, and you know,
you know no is not the correctanswer. There isn't a no and beginning
of the conversation for him. Butthose you know, that's an example that
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I think of why you've been sosuccessful, and I think you know the
things that you've done now that withthe success that you've had with your companies.
But also you know the TV showyou did and you know Undercover Billionaire
was out, that was what itwas called, right, Yeah, and
I enjoyed watching that too, Butto be able to do that put yourself
there and show how it can bedone, and I think that was a
great example of what it takes andthe ingenuity that you showed during that and
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how to get things done and keeptaking those steps. So that's why,
you know, I respect the hellout of both you guys so much,
and I always talk to you anduh, you know, hear those different
I know we're kind of rapping,But I have one last little, um
funny story that I want to bringup, just because you said about the
hardest hits or whatever in there.Um, you and I and Indian and
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Page went to some big event andwe were leaving it and it was so
crowded that we jumped into a caband You're in the back seat behind me,
Mindy's in the middle, and Pageson the end. And when I
get in, the guy's wearing aPittsburgh Steeler jacket and I go quick,
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top three quarterbacks of all time,and he has no idea you're in the
back. And I'm thinking he's gonna, you know, mentioned some Pittsburgh Steelers.
Yeah, I'm gonna laugh, youknow, and go ha, you
know you didn't pick this guy inthe back. And he goes top three
quarterback number one. I gotta sayJohn l and we went, oh,
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man, that was so Mindy andI pick up our phone and we we
we were start recording, and Isay, okay, let's start over again.
Top three quarterbacks. I got tosay number one, John Elway and
then he go, man, Iremember one time so and so hit him
so hard and Mindy would turn thecamera to you and you go, oh
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that hurt. Yeah, And thenthat were you comment and greatest Sam Snow
Philadelphia taxi driver and uh, youknow it's so wonderful and he's like the
cab rides for free. Got justwant a picture. You gave him a
very very nice tip. I rememberit wasn't for free, and um,
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you know, but we flew tosomewhere because we left that night and the
next morning, I get off theplane and my phone is there was like
five million hits on my Facebook fromyour VI you know, that went viral
and went everywhere and what a uhjust know it's really cool, really cool
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little thing. But but anyway,it was amazing. We won't go there
great story. Yeah, we won'tgo to the other part of that story.
Thank you for forgiving me. Ohyeah, so we factor are so
grateful you took the time out ofyour day. Thank you for joining us
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before, after or during that golfgame. Whenever we can get you.
We love having you on board.I appreciate you being part of this.
The stories of Glenn Rights, there'ssome great ones. You know, you've
heard them all that you've heard allof them and then sum and probably there
might be a few of the YouTubebut you know, you know, and
I'm just encouraging people to read thebook, Glen, because you've done had
such a great life, both ofyou together, I've had such a great
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life. And the things that you'vedone and thanks you've done for people,
and the important things that you've donethat are just you know, truly an
inspiration. And I think that I'mglad that you know, I wrote a
book too, and writing a bookas a heck of a lot of a
lot of work and a lot oftime and a lot of memory jogging to
try and remember everything because there's alot of things up there, so you
have to, you know, getthat memory jog, and it takes a
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lot of time. But I thinkthat you know, your book is going
to do a lot of good fora lot of people. I think it'll
be an inspiration for a lot ofpeople because of the successes that you've had
and the way that you've done it, and that's what putting people first and
then everything else falls in line afterthat. And so you know, congratulate
run your book, and I'm sureit'll be a great one. Aside from
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you both now being man of greatcharacter, you can both call yourself authors.
There's something you both, both Goodand Glen have done in common,
is their authors. Yeah, thankyou so much for joining us play.
Thank you for having me on.It's great to see it, even though
we got to get together here soon. It's great to see you on the
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on the computer right here, andmiss you guys a lot, and look
forward to the next time we getthe We'll get it done soon and hopefully
it's got it definitely before we goon a hunting trip, that's for sure.
Yeah, oh yeah, that aregolfing, you know if you need
to get taddy, I hear he'she's that's that's another great that. That's
another great story is the fact.Can I have time to tell that?
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Throw that one in there? Well? Yeah, we went. It was
like an American team against a Frenchteam over there. It was right during
the Ryder couple. We went overto Monico and we're over in Monica and
I asked Glenn to be my caddyand you would just you we're just getting
done with chemo or but you hada tube. Oh good. That was
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right after I was like twenty eighteen, right after he had surgery, just
had his epiglottis removed. So hewas right. And I'm like, Glenn,
don't you don't, no way,you don't need to come. He
goes, I'm absolutely coming. Sothis when it comes down to grit when
what happened the part of this title, And I mean he had a tube
and he had to take medicine thewhole time and hard, but he couldn't
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he could barely move around sause Ineed to sit and I'm going gland and
I was like, I was terrifiedthat he was even there. But he
was saying, I'm coming and I'mI committed to it and so but you
almost didn't go. You can't rememberyou called the time. You're like,
no, no, we're not goingto do that to him. I'm not
doing that to my buddy. I'mnot doing that. What you said,
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which again shows your character. Yousaid I'm not going. I said,
what do you mean you go?If my my caddie can't go, I'm
not going. I go, John, You're going, no I go?
Then I go. Look I'm goingeven if you don't go, I'll be
a caddy with with no Salbert Blayer, I know. I mean, I
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could not blue it. And hefelt and Glenn, you did not feel
well at all. You didn't feelgood at all. I was on morphing.
I lost her, Yeah, rangeFinder, I lost anything. That's
the worst. Daddy was so worriedabout the range. I said, don't
worry about the arrange, you know, Finder. And then we lost a
cover to my putter, and I'mlike, we get done playing, I'm
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like, where is Glenn? AndI'm worried about where Glenn go? Next
thing, I know, he comesout of the pro shot with a new
putter cover for my for my putterbecause he lost a butter cover. And
I'm like, you're crazy, You'renext. Well, and then of course
I've got a great picture. Maybewe'll share it. I don't know,
but you shared your martini in mymeaning too. We're like, let's get
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him, let's get him hammered.I know, I know, but that
was have a lot you talk about, you talk about, you know,
when there's anything that called grit.That was grit that you went above and
be brutal. There's anything up friendship. You were ready to give up that
and and I wasn't. Yeah,I still can't feel bad we went because
I know you didn't feel well.Hey, if it's about stories now coming
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here, so please download or tobuy the book. We appreciate that.
John, Thank you for coming ontoday. You are just a gem.
Loved to page and the family andthe pups. We love it. Thank
you too, and we'll hope toget together soon for sure. All right,
Well you've been listening to another episodeof gur it Happened. Please join
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us, subscribe and we'll see younext time right here. Thanks again,
John, Thanks goodbye,
Hi, I'm Mindy Stern and thisis Grit Happens. On this show,
we engage in candid conversations with someof the most successful people in every field
and from every walk of life,oh with the common thread of grit and
the common goal of not just surviving, but thriving. And we hope the
show helps you feel informed, energized, and especially inspired. So let's get
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started. This is grid Happened.And here we are with another episode of
Grit Happens. It's so good tobe back in studio. We continue our
series on Integrity, the launch ofGlenn's book and some of the wonderful characters
throughout his lives that have been ina big impact and summer even in the
story, some of even endorsed thestory. Today we have someone really needs
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no introduction, John. I mean, if they don't know who you are,
they've been living under a rock.But our dear friend and superhero in
the sports world, mister John Elway, are you doing Yeah? I haven't
heard that kind of intro in along time. I kn't of like it.
Come on, doesn't your wife dothat every day when you get Yeah?
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I can't wait to get me therethat's right, that's Mandy here.
He comes out of the bathroom,a liar, underdog and doctor. He's
getting another doctor to his name.No, I don't know about you,
but my wife, she she doeswhat they we call the slow play.
Right. Oh yeah, you getin bed, they get out there,
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they're taking off their makeup and they'rejust wait and hope you fall asleep.
That yeah, that takes me abouteight minutes. So that shows up.
I don't know how. She musthave a time pretty well, because I
remember when she comes to bed.Are you saying, boy, they've they've
learned that very well. Anyway,we digress. Yes, yes, so
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he obviously, and honestly, Iappreciate you for for many things, our
friendship, um number one, butfor um you know, I did that
little show and had a lot ofpositive feedback. I was absolutely flattered by
it, and so they said,I write the book. So I kind
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of you know, three years,well actually forty years, people have been
telling me if she's had so manystories over the years, and I'm sure
you heard almost all of them therein the book. There's there might be
a couple there of you where youguys have had some fun together. You
guys had a lot of wisdom,a lot of late nights, a lot
of final finals where you guys hada lot of great philosophical talks about life
in the world. And but butto your point, I mean, to
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that point is um, you know, when you boil it down and you
start to think what's important in yourlife and then you want to put it
down. In my case, it'smore about um I say it kind of
like that, like leading with myflaws, meaning you know, I'm not
perfect, and I like people maybethat are out there to realize, you
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know, you want to achieve somethingin life. You know, I don't
know anybody that just has just gotit all going on and it just happens.
It doesn't happen that way. It'shard fricking work, man. It
is hard, you know, andI don't think people realize how hard it
is. And plus in that theyjust see the positive and everything that's happened
good rather than all the down timesthat you had too, right, because
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to enjoy the good times, youhave to have some, you know,
some downtimes, and there's a lotof downtimes going through that. And that's
why it's you know, life's aheck of a battle. No matter what
you do, it's a heck ofa battle. And there's ups and downs
with everything. You just hope thatyou have more ups than you do downs,
but you have to be able topick yourself up and you know,
wipe yourself off and say, listen, you know we're gonna go back at
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this again. Obviously, in theworld of sports, you know, we're
excuse me, we're tested week toweek and so you know, one week
you go out and have a greatgame, and the next week you you
know, you struggle a little bitand don't play nearly as well. So
you know that football is, youknow, one game a week and each
game is so important. So thoseups and downs, and you know,
no, overall, I think iswhere you can't look at the big picture
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and say, okay, was itsuccessful or not as a season, as
a career, as a life.You look at the big picture. But
in that picture, and you know, as you said, Glenn as if
you've experienced too, is that there'sa tremendous amount of ups, but there's
also a tremendous amount of downs.And it's it's the ones that can pick
themselves up during the down and duringthe down periods that can continue to come
back and be successful. Exactly.I think about your career, and you
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know, you look at let's notgo a week the week, Let's look
at a career, right you youknow, you rang the bell, so
to speak, hit the I alwayssay, it's not how you start,
it's how you finished. But youwon the last two Super Bowls of your
career, and off you're in thesunset. But what you gotta remember you
lost the first three that you wentto, right, and people, you
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know, you know, the youngerpeople don't realize, Hey, John Away
won the lost two super Bowls?No, but how did it feel to
lose three in a row? Right? You know? Right, that's the
pain. And that's the thing isthose were early in my career. I
went to my first Super Bowl inmy fourth year, and so my fourth,
fifth, and seventh, fourth,fifth and seventh years. So we
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went. We went to Super Bowlthree out of four years, and really
the first time we played the Giantsin passa DNA and we were headed at
halftime ten to nine. We hadmade the longest field goal in Super Bowl
history. Then we missed the shortestfield goal in Super Bowl hits right before
halftime, we had first goal onthe one yard line and didn't get any
points out of it, so wentin that one at ten nine at halftime,
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and then the Giants got really hot. Phil Sims was like nineteen out
of twenty two for the game,was you know, the the MVP of
the game and really played well thatsecond half and we ended up getting beat
thirty nine to twenty in that one. And the next year year that we
were playing their red skins and we'reup ten nothing after the first quarter,
Doug Williams, Doug Williams, andthen nineteen plays later we were down thirty
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five to ten. So you know, that was a very disappointing. We
missed a year in the nineteen eightynine we went against the forty nine ers
and they really had a they hada great football team, and so they
were much better than us and wewere. We got beat fifty five to
ten, and that was nineteen eightynine, and so you know, you
talk about as great as the SuperBowl wins are, there's not a more
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disappointing loss because once you know there'stwo teams left, and when you're in
the Super Bowl and the winners arethe World champs and the other you know,
the loser cannon just goes back withthe rest of everybody, and everyone
forgets how many wins they got toget there. So you know, it's
like it's so quickly you're defined bya loss, but it's also paving the
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way towards the celebration of a greatsuccess to come. And I think those
losses are learned, learned, thelossers are learned. And I'd say this
all the time, as Joe Montanawon four, you know, won four
super Bowls, never lost one,and I said, well, he doesn't
appreciate him those two wins that Ihad nearly as much as I do as
I do, just because of thefact that he never lost one and never
felt how painful those those losses are. So you know. And then after
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that third Super Bowl was eight yearsbefore we went back, and so you
know, and then finally my fifteenthyear and sixteenth year we got back there
we're able to win it. Wewent into the Super Bowl thirty two,
which is my fifteenth year, thefirst one we won, and we were
fourteen point underdogs to the Packers andthey were the defending champs and had won
it the year before, so youknow, heavy underdogs, and it was
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funny. I remember calling my momafter we had beat Pittsburgh and Pittsburgh and
we were on the airplane and Icalled my mom and I said, hey,
Mom, we get a chance togo back to the super Bowl.
And there's like a long pause andshe goes, do we really have to
go back to the super Bowl?But you know, all Davis had a
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great game. We're able to runthe football. They were a really good
football team. But that we ranthe football, we're able to get over
the hump and and win that game. And it was you know, there
was other than my kids being born, There wasn't a single moment in my
life that I was more and morehappy, uh And you know, and
really a feeling of accomplishment to beable to and after fifteen years, to
get over that hump. Because there'sa lot of talk after those first three
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Super Bowls that we'd never get backand we can't, we can't win the
big game and data data out soyou have to file. You know,
you find all that negative press throughoutthe whole way. But you know,
we were able to keep our nosedown and keep focused on what the goal
was and that was that was towin a world championship and thank god where
we get it done twice. Youknow, I when I when I think
about that game, you know itwas what was is saying when when when
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one for win this for John orI guess ones for John for John after
we'd wanted yea, our owners saidthat, which was a great feeling.
Yeah, and you know you thinkabout how revered you know you were and
are and I still are. Butmy point is it's not about it,
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and it's not about giving you abig head. And you know I've spent
a lot of time on this.It's about, uh, it feels good
to be to have that kind ofrespect and it's earned right, it's not
given. And the fact that,um, you were very good to people
and fair and level headed and youknow, you know we we've talked about
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different things. And I asked youbefore when when we've been um just alone
and sitting there finals and I wouldn'tbringing that up, but yeah, but
how I'd say, you know,you've been sacked four or five times in
a row, and like what doyou do in the huddle? Right?
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Like what do you say to theseguys to fire them up. Are you
yelling at him? Or what areyou doing U? Once you get the
answered, well, yeah, youknow, and I Thursday nights was our
night out with the offensive line everyevery week, and so I take them
out every Thursday. So I wasable to be able to spend some quality
time with those guys. But youknow, my I was not a screamer
and a holler and a yeller.I was just, you know, a
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competitor, and I knew that.You know, every time we got on
the field, everybody was doing thebest they can. But when I was
when we got up to a toughstart and I got hit maybe five or
six times in the first couple ofseries, and dropped backs and sacked a
couple of times, and we'd havea TV time out and I just get
in there and instead of holler andscream, and I'm just say, Okay,
are you guys mad at me?If you guys are mad at me,
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please tell me why you're mad atme, And I promise you I
will apologize because if I offended youguys in any way, I did not
mean to do that. So ifif you are mad at me, just
tell me, tell me right now. Because we actually got a way to
keep me up right, so Ican get the ball downfield a little bit.
And you know what, and that'sjust true on a sign of leadership,
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right because they already know that theylet you down. You don't have
to tell them right, right,they know they feel bad enough, and
so by you kind of and alittle humor, they say, well,
you know this guy, we likehim, We're gonna we want to defend
him more. You know what Imean. You don't want to have to
say you knew it. Yeah,in relationships is so important. I think
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those are the most important thing.And you know, leadership comes in so
many different forms, right, everybodyhas their own way to lead and how
they get the respect. But ultimatelya leader does get that respect. And
when when somebody does talk and howyou talk to them and you talked with
respect, I think you get therespect back and they understand that. Now,
different guys, you know, takecoaching different ways and hear different things
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and learn different ways. But forthe most part, it was my philosophy
that you know what, I'm gonnabe their friend. And I kind of
did it by how I worked,and so I did it by example,
and to me, that was themost important thing is I didn't ever want
them because they everybody always puts thequarterback on a pedal. So I was
fighting my whole life to get offthat pedestal and let them know I'm just
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a cog in the machine and everybodyelse, everybody has their job to do
in the machine, especially in thegame of football when you have to have
eleven guys go in the same direction, that I was just a cog in
that machine and that I was notany more important than anybody else on that
football team. And so I didthat by how I worked in the offseason,
how I worked in the weight room, how I worked on the practice
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field, And so that said thatfor me, it's set that example to
whereas if I would gain that respectbecause I had to do more than anybody
else did, and if I didn't, I never took the shortcuts and never
wanted to know anything given to him. So that to me is how you
can lead is get the respect ofthe people around you, knowing that you're
working just as hard as they are. John, I have a question on
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that note. You know you talkabout being a leader. Is there a
leader in your life who left asignificant impact of how they led that you
followed an example, or who arethe greatest leaders you've had that you feel
impacted your life and the most significant. I mean, I think that the
one thing that I had with myparents. I mean, both my mom
and dad were you know, theywere both my idols and they were great
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parents. I loved them both.My dad was a football coach, and
so therefore, obviously, you know, and as a football coach, are
not around a lot because they're they'reworking and spend a lot of time in
the office and the film room,those type of things. So I didn't
have He was gone a lot whenI was younger, and so I knew
the way that, you know,for me to get his attention was to
be pretty good in sports and Iand I plus plus I loved it and
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uh and I love to compete.So you know, number one was my
dad and if if if I madehim proud of me, that's all that
I needed. I didn't I didn'treally care what anybody else said. And
you know, when I was inhigh school, you know, on Friday
nights, everybody after the football gamesto go to the Shaky's pizza parlor,
and you know, I'd go homeand download with my dad for about a
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half hour before after the games thathe could come see and then then I'd
go to the Shaky's Pizza parler afterthat. But he was a guy that
was a guy that was always,you know, my idol, guy I
looked up to and how you know, he was a one that molded me
into the player that I was,and and so you know, he'd be
the number one guy. You know, as far as a quarterback, my
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favorite was Roger Staubach. You know, I liked the way that he played
the game and I liked the factthat, you know, he was a
military guy that had come out ofmilitary, was got a late start because
of his commitment to the Naval Academyand I think he started his career when
he was twenty eight years old.And you know, it was a guy
that moved around and I, youknow, my style of play was probably
like his, or you know,moved around quite a bit, made some
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big plays outside the pocket. Soand plus the way he lived his life
off the field and the role Mollywas off the field. So those are
the two guys that were probably thebiggest influence. Now, my mom doesn't
get enough credit because she was theone that was taking me to practice all
the time, and the good itwas on the table all the time,
and was at all the football,all my games, all my any sport,
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baseball, I played baseball also,So she was always the one that
was their support when my dad couldn'tbe so there. I was very very
lucky to have too great you know, role models as as as parents.
When I think of, um,why we're friends, Um, it's a
lot to do with It's not aboutyour career, it's your the way you
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live your life. And I've alwayslooked up to you because you have been
very consistent in on and off right. You're a very humble person for for
someone who has um such great,great success, And I'm attracted to people
that have great success. And Idon't mean it's you know, in any
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Glynn never knew anything about football.But you know that I'm not I don't
not much. I like people thatwill try their best whatever it is right
and do their best. And andso in thinking about you know again you
could be the best shoeshine guy.I want to know why you do it
and how you do it right andand so and it's not again about you
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know, having a being the bestathlete it was, you know, the
what you did again in your community, back to the part on and off
the field, and how people havelooked up to you, and how you've
handled your life in certain ways,and so I am and your consistency.
Right, you're in Denver. Youstayed in Denver the whole time. You
didn't go for they I'll trade forthis much more money. You figured it
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out right. It's communication. Andso there's so many little things that meant
that I look and I admire inyou. Um in that. And then
you've gone on to do very similar, great successful things and you're you know,
um, auto clubs or dealerships,thank you and other things like that,
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and you look at it and yougo okay, and you're happy.
There's one story that I love thatI tell a lot, and I believe
maybe it's it's in here. Idon't remember, but um is when you
said you were playing golf. No, you're gonna tell the story. I
love it because it tells how humblethe guy is. I know, you're
sitting there playing golf with Vice PresidentDan Quayle, and he's a little frustrated
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because he's you guys are both scratchgolfers. But these other guys are either
beating me at the point or doingsomething. And you walk over to Dan,
and what did you tell him?Yeah, I'm forgetting this one,
gud. I can't remember this whenyou tell me this one, I can't.
I'll tell you wasn't any saying everybodywants to see the president. Yeah,
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it happened to you, and rightwhen it happened, I think you
told me about it. And yousaid, yeah, Dan is frustrated and
he's kind of mumbling under his breathand he's you know, when you walk
over, you said, put myarm around him. I said, what's
wrong, Dan? And Dan says, you know, everybody wants to say
they beat the vice president at golf. And you reach over, you got
your arm around him. You said, Dan, let's face it, we're
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both has beens, you know.I mean, that's right. Yeah,
it's like make fun of it.Come on, man, you know,
every dog has his day and you'renever going to be on top forever,
right, You never right? Youknow? And the thing is you're right
when and when you are in thatpedal still, people do want to beach
in I you know, I feltthat throughout my you know, playing golf
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and when you play, because theywant to run home and tell their friends
at the beach in So I meanthat that brings out the competitive side of
everybody, especially because to me,you have to be If you're not competitive,
it's very difficult to be real successfulbecause that's what makes that's what drives
you to be successful and be thebest whatever you do is the competitive nature.
And you know, obviously would bea president of the United States,
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you have to be awful competitive toget to that level. And politic and
what he did and like you didsay, we are getting older and you
know what, we're not going towin every time, and uh, you
know, especially in golf because theharder you try and golf, the worse
it gets you get. Yeah,but you know I wasn't I'd say this
gland is The thing is um youknow when we talk about you know,
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people and personalities, and you know, people put athletes and celebrities and you
know, they put them on apedestal. And you know, like I've
said, I've worked my whole lifetrying to get off that pedestal to have
people realize that, you know what, just because what I do is on
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TV, and everybody else you know, sees you on TV that they put
you on that pedestal. But ultimately, in everybody's life, no matter what
you do, whether it's mortgage business, then like you've been success so successful
that and all your other ententrepreneurial thingsthat you've done, is that you you
worked, you worked your tail outto get there, and you're not You're
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just great at what you do.And that doesn't make me any better than
anybody else. It just makes megood at what I do. And I
think that that's the thing that I'vealways had as a mindset is that you
know what I respect, as yousaid, I respect anybody that's great at
what they do, no matter whatthat is. And and and not necessarily
do they have to be great atit, but if they work hard at
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it, and then and they're focusedon what they do, and you know,
it's a goal of them to youknow, you know, for me
as a as a guy, doas a father, is to be able
to support your family. That's thenumber one, you know, the thing
that we all do in our livesto be able to support our families.
And you know, it's funny I'lldigress a little bit. And I was
asking my dad one time, andmy mom was mad at him because you
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know, he didn't come home andyou know, he was this and this
is probably you know, when Iwas thirty five four years old, I
think it was right after I retired, and I said, Dad, I
said, you know, why don'tyou ever just come home? And you
know, first of all, hesaid, why don't you call? He
goes. Johnny says, I triedthat, he said, so I decided
I was just going to get introuble once and that's when I got when
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I got home. But number two, he says, Johnny said, I
want you to I want you torealize this and this is not something that
don't take it literally. He says, But my job was number one and
my family was number two. Isaid, well, why is that?
He says, Because, john hesays, because if A didn't have a
job, I wouldn't be able totake care of my family. And that's
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why I had to commit to myjob so I could support my family.
And that's why I had to makethat commitment as a priority that I had
to have a job. And itis you know, football coaches get fired
all the time, and so itwas so important for him to do the
best job that he could to makea living, to be able to support
the family. And so you know, because you always say, well family
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is number one, yet naturally itis, but that's why has to be
number one two and they're really oneor one A because if you don't have
a job, then you really can'ttake care of your main priority and that
your family. That goes right.I just want to digress on just on
another note, and that boils downto a character, you know, of
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something having character and commitment, andthere's lies on a lot of the shoulders
of a lot of men and womenthat do have to put their jobs so
they can support their family. It'svery hard to live without income. And
I want to touch on that becauseyou talk about the character and and you
know and your family and what youyou had, something very similar happened to
you that happened to me, andthat is you know you are um,
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you know, a big presence inthe world of sports. UM I did
fairly well in the world of businessand and and both in community, in
my community of your community. Andwhat happened to me, very similar to
you, was I had a talkwith my son and he came to me
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one day and we were talking aboutsomething. He says, do you understand
how heart it is to live inyour shadow? And there's a lot of
people that you and I both knowthat have had some children that are have
struggled living in their parents' shadow,their dad or mom's shadow or whatever.
And you had a very healthy kindof look at that, as I feel
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I did as well. Where Isat with my son, I to listen.
I don't want you to go onand have to run a mortgage company
and be the best at that.I've never once asked you that I want
you to be happy. Let's thinkof that. You could be the best
teacher, you could be whatever youwant to be. But if I ever
said I'd be disappointed if you didn'trun my company. And I remember when
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your son was put on the frontpage of the Colorado newspaper for being in
the university there in Arizona, right, And I remember your statement because I
was thinking I'd spent the night thatnight, and you were very frustrated,
like why do they want to putthat pressure on him? You know,
like you weren't out there going yay, look at this you're saying, you
know, it's it's unnecessary, right, and and unfortunately that you know,
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people look at that too. AndI think my son, you know,
he played football, and he wasa pretty good football player and when,
as you said, went to ArizonaState on a football scholarship. But you
know, I think, you know, on an eighteen nineteen year old kid,
that's a heck of a lot ofpressure that you know, you have
because they know who the dad is. And I and I, you know,
I really never understood that because Inever had that, But I think
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as I got older, I understoodthat a little bit. And you know,
and my son's now thirty three yearsold, and you know, he
says today, you know, tellsme all the time. He says,
you know, Dad, I wishI was just a little bit more grown
up at that time. But ateighteen, it's hard to be that grown
up to be a stand that situation. So, you know, it's unfortunate
that society puts that pressure on siblings, and then sometimes the siblings feel it,
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and there's no doubt they you know, they feel that the kids feel
it. So it's an unfortunate situation. And you know, it's it's hard,
but you're right in the fact thatI about my kids to be happy
and be successful and do what theyenjoy doing and enjoy their life. And
I'm very fortunate. I've got fourbeautiful kids and they're all four married with
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beautiful mates. And so you know, it's that to me is as as
much as source of pride as anythingI've ever did on the football field.
Yeah, you know, I wantto I want to touch on something really
quick because you both, you guysare friends for a reason. You've attracted
one another, and you have similarmindsets. And you know, the book
is called Integrity, and grit isat the center of integrity. And I'd
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love to know in your words,and when you look at Glenn and see
what you admire about him and whathe admires about you in your mind,
is what is the definition for youof integrity? What does that mean when
someone possesses it? And can theyhave just a little bit or is it
all or none? What's your youknow, I think integrity comes with trust.
If you have integrity, people willtrust you and they'll believe in what
you say and they'll believe in whatyou do. And I think that you
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know, and it's great. Youknow, I would never realize that grit's
in the middle of that we're atintegrity. That's what I love about the
title is that that's you know,highlighted there because it does take grit to
be successful and you have to beable to fight through the negative things that
we've talked about, because there's upsand downs. But integrity is something that
when to be successful, especially inthe business world, Glenn, like you
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are, as well as football withplayers have to your teammates have to trust
you, and they have to believein what you're telling them is the truth,
and that that also leads into theleadership piece of it too. So
integrity is the basis in my opinion, of any person that's been successful in
what they've done, because obviously younever get there by yourself. You know,
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you have so many pieces to thepuzzle and there's so many people that
help you get there, and youknow, you hope you raise all boats
on the way there that everybody elseis able to have the success that you
have too, as you know,as a leader in the company or leader
on a football team, whatever itmay be, that you have that basis
to where they can look at youand they believe in what you say,
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and that's how you get the bestout of them. And then you also
have the you're giving them the opportunityto be the best that they can be.
And I think that that's all youknow, you as a leader can
do and provide your you know,the people that work for you, your
employees that worked there, and butalso make them a piece of that and
thrilled that they're there and want tocome to work every day. When you
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cut corners, when you don't keepyour word, when you think more about
yourself than others, and you treatothers in a way that you know you
you use them to get ahead,you build the shakiest foundation you could ever
build in any kind of and peopleyou can mask it. You can do
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whatever you think you're doing to beclever, and it will come back.
And when the time that you needpeople, they will not be there.
But when you care more about otherpeople and you understand that that your word
is your bond and and that youalso live a life that you're not just
thinking you're very when you're a generoushuman being, you know, and then
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the world shakes because it always does, right people are there to catch you.
And again I don't mean they're goingto write a check for you,
right, They're just there to havea shoulder or listen or give you some
advice. Right. It's not youknow, it's not like, hey,
I want to be there so thenI can use this person later on.
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No, it's it's that's the completeopposite, and people can see through it.
When you're authentic and you truly care, then the world seems to work
out because you're We all go throughthe ups and the downs no matter what.
And by the way, it doesn'tmean business, It can mean relationships.
It can mean so many different thingsbecause we need people in our dark
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times, and nobody gets out ofit without having some dark times. And
when that comes, you know,when you plant its seeds, they're either
seeds or people surround you, orpeople just watch it fall, you know.
Right, Yeah, that's that's life, you know, grand And that's
you know, That's what I admireso much about you is the fact of
what you've done in your business career, but even more importantly is the relationships
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that you've created. I think thatyou know, we come from different backgrounds,
We come from different businesses, andyou know, the relationship that we've
had has been I have better conversationswith you than I've ever had with anybody
else because we come from such differentbackgrounds that we have so much to talk
about a lot of times when you'rearound football players all the time and dada
da da, you know, youdon't have any different stories or anything or
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talk about. Obviously the background,which you know, the closer you are
to them, the more you knowabout them. But I think that you
know your background or what you've done, what you bought through your whole life
and the things that you've been throughto be able to get to where you
are is tremendous. And that's whyI think, my you know, the
reason why I'm so you know,connected with you as well as you know,
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respect you so much, it's becauseof the fact of then and the
breadth of knowledge that you have,and it's really in people. And you
know, obviously building the businesses thatyou've built, You've got great people that
have worked for you and they're stillwith you. And I think that that
is a true true tale of youknow what you're all about and you know,
and you know I always say thistoo, is it you know when
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time, when the time comes andyou know we're all going to leave this
earth, you know, it doesn'tmatter, It doesn't The most important thing
is when we leave is you know, not necessarily what we did, but
the relationships we had why we're here, because that's what people are going to
remember. Then I canna remember howmuch money you had. They may remember,
you know, you want a coupleof Super Bowls and new rand Sterns
and now you're a new company andkind that they'll remember that, but they'll
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you know, what they'll talk aboutis they're going to talk about what type
of person you were. And that's, to me, is the most important
legacy that you can leave is thatpeople actually enjoyed being around you. Yeah.
No, I absolutely appreciate that.That's why you're one of my closest
friends. John I. I Irespect you equally for that you had.
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You were up for an award,um what was the name of that one
that's in Harol Self Hope Ball andthere was all these famous celebrities and you
know them all as well, andyou had asked me and Minny to present
that to you at this big,huge ball And I was very touched by
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that because it again, it showedme your character because all these people at
this big little ball they don't knowwho Minnie and I are. And and
you could have picked some big celebrityto kind of endorse look at who I
am because I know this big celebrity, right, But that wasn't what you
were about. You said, Iwant my friend to do it, you
know, And it made me.It touched me again because it showed the
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depth of what you're about, youknow, as as I you know,
you you had your your daughter talkto you, you know, induct you
into the Hall of Fame. Youdidn't have some big football guy, right,
you know, and so it showsyour character. And you know,
those things are again when you takea big step back and you really look
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at exactly what you're saying. AndI hope people at home get this that
life is about relationships. It's notabout look at me and look at you
know, my stuff, this stuff. It's look at the depth of the
people I'm surrounded with, right,right, that's it, that's right.
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How many friends do you have,and you know, how many close friends
do you have? You know,obviously it's a busy world and it's really
hard to share too much time withtoo many people. But it's like,
you know, for instance, twodays ago, I had my high school
receiver out here and we played tworounds of golf, and so, you
know, those type of things Ihaven't lost my I went to La this
week. My high school baseball coachwent into the La City CIF Hall of
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Fame, and so went out thereto his hall of fame, which was
which was great. It was overdueand he was you know, obviously when
you talk about that level high schoolcoaches have what an impact they have on
one's life, and he had ahuge impact. But those are the type
of things that you know, arethe most important thing to me. Yeah,
granted, fame is good. Fameis not nearly what everybody thinks it
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is, as you know, andso um, it can be very flighting
and can be very shallow. AndI think that having experienced that, that's
why I really look at depth inrelationships and really get to know people and
people that you can trust. Andagain goes back to the same thing in
the name of the book, thathave integrity. So I'll touch on three
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famous things and then and bring itand tie it back into what you just
said. You are known for threefamous plays. Right when you were in
college Stanford, the band play thedrive No no, no no, band
ran on yes, and then theDrive of course, right, and then
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the helicopter. Helicopter, helicopter,Yeah, yeah, And so I mean,
let's face it, right, inany sport, you know, if
you can. I mean, lookat Frank o'harris, right, immaculate reception.
He's got one, you got three, man, I mean, that's
that's pretty damn good and uh twotrue through but um but still, you
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know when you look at that ina career and and you know, um,
I remember when um, there wasa gentleman that made that bronze statue
of the helicopter and you had itat your bar and you were telling the
story about what happened and how youwere there and you you're two inch vertical
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and all you know, the wholestory behind the helicopter. And then you
said, Glenn, I want togive you this broun that touched me so
much. I have that in myoffice. It's a very important, um
part of my life. And Ireally again it speaks to a friendship and
it means a very lot to me. Well, you've been so great to
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us and and uh, you knowit's I'm lucky to have friends like you
two. That's for darn't here.I mean it's, uh, you know,
this life is you know, it'sbeen great. I know I always
say this too. And here's theother thing about life is, you know
I look at it and you know, I'm believer in God and Jesus and
everything. And you know, whetherthere's reincarnation or not, you know,
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who knows, but I know myphilosophy is, even if there is reincarnation,
there is zero chance my life isgoing to be nearly as good the
next time I come back around.I'm going to get the most out of
this one. That's right. Well, I could be a dog. That'd
be pretty awesome. Just the rightfamily, right dog and your family,
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mindy, I could come back andthat'd be good. Yeah. So I
think of the people that listen tothis show, and you know, it's
again, it's usually a lot ofpeople that, um, you know,
are listening because they want to getsome inspiration, hopefully on leadership or on
growing a business, or on goingthrough life. You know, it doesn't
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have to be about that. Andyou know the stories, right, they're
what they The common thread again isthat you know when you're kind, when
you're when you care, when you'refair, when you're not trying to have
a win lose, when you understandthat um that people are more important than
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profits or or your own you know, you know, getting ahead that life
tends to then at you know,treat you pretty pretty good. And if
you do it, if you doit right, you know, you have
less of the lows and more ofthe highs, but you're still you have
the lows, but there are peoplethere for you at that time. And
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so I hope people get that outof what you and I are talking about
it. John, you were sogenerous to provide a quote for Glenn's book,
which I'll just read it real quickand you can elaborate upon it.
Glenn possesses the tenacity and drive ofthe greatest athletes I've ever encountered. He's
taken some of the hardest hits lifehas dealt and always stays in the game.
That's your little buddy, I know. And you know what, and
(37:22):
Mandy, you know this as wellas anybody, but he really has.
And Glenn, that's where you know, I admire you so much. I
mean, I get the different storiesthat you've told me, especially back in
oh eight o nine when it seemedlike the whole world was blown up for
you, and the things that whenyou were talking about that and the things
that you did when you know,you were trying to be one of the
lenders for certain people and you hadto go and say, you know,
(37:44):
I don't don't drop me. Andthen you know, you were the guy
that got on an airplane went satdownstairs even though they told you, you
know, we can't get a meeting, and you know they don't have time,
we're going to go a different direction. But you you know, got
on an airplane and got there andwent in that building and sat down there
until they would meet with you.And you know, you came out of
that thing with shining colors. Andso I mean, those are those are
(38:06):
the little things that I think makepeople successful like you are, Glenn.
And the fact that you do thosethings and you don't take no for an
answer, and you keep going andyou keep trying, and you know,
you know no is not the correctanswer. There isn't a no and beginning
of the conversation for him. Butthose you know, that's an example that
(38:27):
I think of why you've been sosuccessful, and I think you know the
things that you've done now that withthe success that you've had with your companies.
But also you know the TV showyou did and you know Undercover Billionaire
was out, that was what itwas called, right, Yeah, and
I enjoyed watching that too, Butto be able to do that put yourself
there and show how it can bedone, and I think that was a
great example of what it takes andthe ingenuity that you showed during that and
(38:52):
how to get things done and keeptaking those steps. So that's why,
you know, I respect the hellout of both you guys so much,
and I always talk to you anduh, you know, hear those different
I know we're kind of rapping,But I have one last little, um
funny story that I want to bringup, just because you said about the
hardest hits or whatever in there.Um, you and I and Indian and
(39:16):
Page went to some big event andwe were leaving it and it was so
crowded that we jumped into a caband You're in the back seat behind me,
Mindy's in the middle, and Pageson the end. And when I
get in, the guy's wearing aPittsburgh Steeler jacket and I go quick,
(39:37):
top three quarterbacks of all time,and he has no idea you're in the
back. And I'm thinking he's gonna, you know, mentioned some Pittsburgh Steelers.
Yeah, I'm gonna laugh, youknow, and go ha, you
know you didn't pick this guy inthe back. And he goes top three
quarterback number one. I gotta sayJohn l and we went, oh,
(40:00):
man, that was so Mindy andI pick up our phone and we we
we were start recording, and Isay, okay, let's start over again.
Top three quarterbacks. I got tosay number one, John Elway and
then he go, man, Iremember one time so and so hit him
so hard and Mindy would turn thecamera to you and you go, oh
(40:21):
that hurt. Yeah, And thenthat were you comment and greatest Sam Snow
Philadelphia taxi driver and uh, youknow it's so wonderful and he's like the
cab rides for free. Got justwant a picture. You gave him a
very very nice tip. I rememberit wasn't for free, and um,
(40:42):
you know, but we flew tosomewhere because we left that night and the
next morning, I get off theplane and my phone is there was like
five million hits on my Facebook fromyour VI you know, that went viral
and went everywhere and what a uhjust know it's really cool, really cool
(41:08):
little thing. But but anyway,it was amazing. We won't go there
great story. Yeah, we won'tgo to the other part of that story.
Thank you for forgiving me. Ohyeah, so we factor are so
grateful you took the time out ofyour day. Thank you for joining us
(41:29):
before, after or during that golfgame. Whenever we can get you.
We love having you on board.I appreciate you being part of this.
The stories of Glenn Rights, there'ssome great ones. You know, you've
heard them all that you've heard allof them and then sum and probably there
might be a few of the YouTubebut you know, you know, and
I'm just encouraging people to read thebook, Glen, because you've done had
such a great life, both ofyou together, I've had such a great
(41:52):
life. And the things that you'vedone and thanks you've done for people,
and the important things that you've donethat are just you know, truly an
inspiration. And I think that I'mglad that you know, I wrote a
book too, and writing a bookas a heck of a lot of a
lot of work and a lot oftime and a lot of memory jogging to
try and remember everything because there's alot of things up there, so you
have to, you know, getthat memory jog, and it takes a
(42:14):
lot of time. But I thinkthat you know, your book is going
to do a lot of good fora lot of people. I think it'll
be an inspiration for a lot ofpeople because of the successes that you've had
and the way that you've done it, and that's what putting people first and
then everything else falls in line afterthat. And so you know, congratulate
run your book, and I'm sureit'll be a great one. Aside from
(42:34):
you both now being man of greatcharacter, you can both call yourself authors.
There's something you both, both Goodand Glen have done in common,
is their authors. Yeah, thankyou so much for joining us play.
Thank you for having me on.It's great to see it, even though
we got to get together here soon. It's great to see you on the
(42:55):
on the computer right here, andmiss you guys a lot, and look
forward to the next time we getthe We'll get it done soon and hopefully
it's got it definitely before we goon a hunting trip, that's for sure.
Yeah, oh yeah, that aregolfing, you know if you need
to get taddy, I hear he'she's that's that's another great that. That's
another great story is the fact.Can I have time to tell that?
(43:15):
Throw that one in there? Well? Yeah, we went. It was
like an American team against a Frenchteam over there. It was right during
the Ryder couple. We went overto Monico and we're over in Monica and
I asked Glenn to be my caddyand you would just you we're just getting
done with chemo or but you hada tube. Oh good. That was
(43:38):
right after I was like twenty eighteen, right after he had surgery, just
had his epiglottis removed. So hewas right. And I'm like, Glenn,
don't you don't, no way,you don't need to come. He
goes, I'm absolutely coming. Sothis when it comes down to grit when
what happened the part of this title, And I mean he had a tube
and he had to take medicine thewhole time and hard, but he couldn't
(44:02):
he could barely move around sause Ineed to sit and I'm going gland and
I was like, I was terrifiedthat he was even there. But he
was saying, I'm coming and I'mI committed to it and so but you
almost didn't go. You can't rememberyou called the time. You're like,
no, no, we're not goingto do that to him. I'm not
doing that to my buddy. I'mnot doing that. What you said,
(44:22):
which again shows your character. Yousaid I'm not going. I said,
what do you mean you go?If my my caddie can't go, I'm
not going. I go, John, You're going, no I go?
Then I go. Look I'm goingeven if you don't go, I'll be
a caddy with with no Salbert Blayer, I know. I mean, I
(44:43):
could not blue it. And hefelt and Glenn, you did not feel
well at all. You didn't feelgood at all. I was on morphing.
I lost her, Yeah, rangeFinder, I lost anything. That's
the worst. Daddy was so worriedabout the range. I said, don't
worry about the arrange, you know, Finder. And then we lost a
cover to my putter, and I'mlike, we get done playing, I'm
(45:04):
like, where is Glenn? AndI'm worried about where Glenn go? Next
thing, I know, he comesout of the pro shot with a new
putter cover for my for my putterbecause he lost a butter cover. And
I'm like, you're crazy, You'renext. Well, and then of course
I've got a great picture. Maybewe'll share it. I don't know,
but you shared your martini in mymeaning too. We're like, let's get
(45:28):
him, let's get him hammered.I know, I know, but that
was have a lot you talk about, you talk about, you know,
when there's anything that called grit.That was grit that you went above and
be brutal. There's anything up friendship. You were ready to give up that
and and I wasn't. Yeah,I still can't feel bad we went because
I know you didn't feel well.Hey, if it's about stories now coming
(45:55):
here, so please download or tobuy the book. We appreciate that.
John, Thank you for coming ontoday. You are just a gem.
Loved to page and the family andthe pups. We love it. Thank
you too, and we'll hope toget together soon for sure. All right,
Well you've been listening to another episodeof gur it Happened. Please join
(46:15):
us, subscribe and we'll see younext time right here. Thanks again,
John, Thanks goodbye,
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