June 1, 2023 • 33 mins
Glenn & Mindy have a very vulnerable talk about embracing your past and your flaws with Donna Schuller Author of “Fearless Women - Transform Negative Emotions into Positive Realities” Whether you're struggling with self-doubt, anxiety, or uncertainty, Fearless Women offers a roadmap to help you navigate life's challenges with grace and resilience with 40 short stories.
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Hi. I'm Mindy Sterns and I'mGlen's Sterns, and this is Grit Happened.
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people in every field and from everywalk of life, all with a common
thread of grit and a goal ofnot just surviving, but thriving. And
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inspired. So let's get started.This is gret Happens. We're back for
another girl it happened. Oh y'alldoing out there? They can't answer,
but I'm sure they're doing amazing becausethey're here. They've tuned in. They
are ready to hear some good,gritty stories because that's what we talk about
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on here. That's right, grittystories. How are you feeling well?
I was feeling good until you justput me down in front of all four
of our customers out there. Theyare not customers, It is an audience.
And then we have a billion.So where's this new thinking coming?
Where is it you talk about thinkingthat in your book it's all about positive
It's right, It's about abundance mindset, not scarcity mindset. Do you want
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to start over. No, Idon't want to start over. I love
how this is going so but Iam really excited that we have an amazing
guest that we're going to be ableto highlight a dear friend, a dear
friend, someone who we know,we've known from the practically the beginning of
our relationship that will be very veryclose to the bars. And you two
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have something in common. Um,you both are authors. You wrote a
book. She wrote a book,and I'm very excited to talk today to
Donna Schuller about the book that shedid not want to write but did anyway.
Fearless women feel the fear and doit anyway. I got to bring
her on, Donna Schueller, Welcometo gir it happened, Hi, Donna.
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Hey, Hi, And I've gotsecrets about you guys, so I'll
be I'll try to behay, butyou like gritty stuff. But yeah,
I've known these two since the beginning. And I do have some greedy stories
in my book too. You mightnot know that since I'm a pastor,
but you know, I wasn't alwaysso perfect when I was growing up,
So there's some stuff in there.My poor mom, that's my poor mom.
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I feel like my daughter's going tosay that one day, Well she
will writing the book, you know, my book Integrity Also same thing coming
out and get to a place whereyou go, do I really want to
expose that? You know? Andyou go, But then that's part of
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life. Might as well put itall out there. Why not. The
beauty of you and Glenn for thatmatter, if I can compare you for
for a moment, is that there'sa real vulnerability in your approach to life.
And I think that's what ingratiates peopletowards you, is that you're not
afraid to be honest, open,vulnerable, real, expose your flaws,
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talk about your fears. And Ithink when you lead, like Glenn always
says, when you lead with myflaws, it just it. It disarms
people, don't exact. I totallyagree. I totally agree. If you
know, if you know your speakeris real and honest, like you said,
kind of kind of gritty and embracestheir past and it's an embarrassed by
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it, but uses it for goodfor the future, for the president or
future, then you can relate moreif you're if you I know, in
my life, if I've been listeningto somebody who appears to be perfect in
every way. I just shut down. I close off. I'm like,
ahh yeah, you bet, youbet, And I think what is happening
in the world, and correct meif you disagree. UM. I feel
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like social media encourages that, let'slead with being perfect. So everybody looks
perfect. They've got the perfect world, the perfect life, the perfect clothes,
everything is right, it's perfectly edited, the perfect filter. And I
don't. I hope that the kidsin our young society are recognizing the value
of leading with your flaws and talkingabout where you vulnerable. And I hope
your books, both you know,illustrate that. What do you think?
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But I actually have one of myshort stories. There's forty short stories in
here. One of them says,fearless women are real, and I talk
exactly about this issue that you know, we all obviously we put our best
foot forward normally on social media,but life hasn't always like that. And
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I actually go on to say thatthere's nothing wrong with, you know,
the color of hair. We werein makeup for women hopefully never mind,
we won't go down that road rightnow, but but we do all kinds
of things too. To make ourselveslook better. And that's all good stuff.
You know, we buy nice clothing, we have beautiful shoes, we
had our nails done, all goodstuff. But if the reason we're doing
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that is to cover up some insidework that needs to be done, you
know, that's when there's a problem. That's when there's an issue. That's
when the kind of the not soreal person sona of who we are comes
forward. If we're doing things forthe wrong reasons. So we just have
to make sure we do things forthe right reason to the best of our
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ability. So yeah, we knowone time we talked or on the show
before about someone that reached out tous and said, kind of f you
and your perfect lives. They watchedour Facebook, and we reached back out
and said, you know, ifthere was a Facebook page that was for
all the negative things, they shouldcall it on your Facebook. I like
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that. I would love to beon there, But you know, we
would have a pretty um big Facebookwith all the negative ones as well.
You know. I mean, lifeisn't perfect and and there are too many
places where we get to highlight thepositive things, but um, you know,
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you tend to leave out the negativeones and that's why you write a
book. That's why you write abook. You get you talk about let's
talk a little bit about going there, speaking of grit and talk you talk
in the beginning, you're very vulneraabout. You know, you lost your
father when you were very young,and that really shaped your life and prepared
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you in some ways for things andcrises and things that happened. Go a
little bit into your own gritty storyand talk about sure, sure you know,
I grew up in a family thatwas we weren't intact, okay,
So my mom and dad got divorcedthe first time when my brother was two
and I was five, and thenmy brother and I ended up living with
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my dad actually, and you knowthat many years ago without divulgia. I
don't actually care if people know I'min my sixties. I'm actually my late
sixties. Down I'm dark, proudof it, look so so thank you.
So it was a long time agoI lived my dad for you or
my dad was an airline pilot.We lived up by Lax and I was
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there with my dad until my parentsgot remirror when I was eight and my
brother was no excuse me, Iwas eight. We were eight and five
when we lived my dad. Theygot remarried when I was nine, and
then we moved to Lucuna Beach andthen they got separated slash divorced again,
and then my dad died in acar accident when I was thirteen. My
brother was ten. So here's thething about me. I actually, you
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know, back in those days,First of all, nobody went to counseling.
Very few people went to counseling.It wasn't something, especially children.
I don't think there was ever athought to, hey, Donna and Jeff,
Jeff's my brother, probably need somecounseling. Looking back at my junior
high years, because I was inseventh grade when my dad died, I
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was just a mess. You know. I was just a mess through junior
high high school. I hit itreally well. I was a very popular,
attractive girl, you know, andhung with the right crowd. But
I was hurting so bad, andI was just running as far away from
God, as far away from anythingreal at that time. And actually I
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drank quite a lot when I wasa young teenager. And it began my
mom's second wedding, which took placetwo weeks after my dad's funeral. Oh
wow. Yeah, it's a lotof process. But you know, fast
forward to when I met Robert whenI was twenty seven, he says,
when he said to me, oh, wow, you lost your dad when
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you were thirteen. That must havebeen really difficult for you. My answer
was, oh no, I wasfine. It was fine. So it
took me mint. Yeah, Idid so talk about denial. So it
wasn't until I had my own children. Anthony and Christina were about the same
age that I was when my parentsfirst got divorced. Is when my world
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just came crashing down. I wasabout thirty five years old and I finally
grieved the loss of my dad andit was a tough, tough time,
but I got through it. Igot through it by real I now it's
a big deal. You know,you got to feel your pain and right
blend. I mean, there's athere's a there's a happy medium to being
positive and being in denial. Sothat's what the balance I try to strike.
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I think you find these big eventsin our lives that really reshape us
and put us on a track.A lot of times we might start down
the wrong track because we are indenial or you know, we don't know
how to process it. And ifwe're fortunate enough, and I can give
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you a million examples that yours one, my dad was another myself, that
you can take that and this adversityand you can use it as rocket fuel
to really exactly once you finally realize, Okay, I'm in in a place
of acceptance, Now what am Igoing to do moving forward in anything?
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Because we can't go backwards, right, we can only go forward. And
once you get there, while yeah, it was a terrible thing that happened
and didn't kill you, and thatwhole adage what doesn't kill you makes you
stronger, I think absolutely absolutely.I know some people more time than others.
Exactly I know for me, Imean, first of all, I
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agree one percent. For me,I look back at what happened to me
through my life and it just mademe so much more effective as a wife
to Robert. You know, Imarried into this huge ministry and was like,
whoa, you know what's going onhere? But as the years went
by, and I've been married onmy thirty nine years, so I've been
in this ministry for many years now, a long time. But I realized
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that all of those things have helpedme be become such a much more sensitive
person. I'm not afraid to talkto the people in our church that have
lost loved ones. You know,sometimes when you lose somebody, people don't
know what to say, right,so they just kind of ignore it.
I'm comfortable hitting that subject just headon. Same with divorce, same with
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any tragedy. Really, I don'thave a problem with just coming right out
talking to a person asking you ifthey need prayer, if they need help,
what do you need? This isa really difficult time for you,
and I know that's because of mypast and what had been through. So,
you know, Donna, for thosethat that maybe um don't know,
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just to give a to go backwardsa little bit. You're married doctor Robert
Schuller. Okay, yea, andhe married you. He married you exactly,
and his father it bounded the CrystalCathedral, right and the Hour of
Power which went all over the world, so exactly. That focus on your
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family and you was huge. Wasa very very very big, you know,
set of eyes on you, guys, and a lot of social media
before social media even existed, Thankgod. All right, I'm glad I
didn't exist when I was a teenager. That's all I could say, because
I probably wouldn't be sitting here rightnow. I'm sure we can all say
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that, right. But yes,it was a big deal my husband.
You know, I married into thishuge family of basically I mean Christian celebrities
if you will, I hate thatword, but at one point my father
in law was like the most popularperson in all of Orange County. I
wasn't in the scene at that point, but like through the late seventies and
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early eighties, I married Robert andeighty four, but he was big,
big deal and really had a strongimpact on so many lives. He was
just a great man, super smartman, super positive man. But he
did something. He was the veryfirst one that took what doctor Norman Vincent
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Peale had had done, and thatis he was the first one in southern
California and sort of in um Iguess, in his generation to take what
doctor Pill had done, and thatis to take psychology, positive psychology and
blend it with mainline Christianity. Andtoday we know a lot of pastors are
very positive. They talk about thefact that God, why don't you to
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succeed? Uh, you know,he wants the best for you. He
wants you to be happy. Butthat's you know, that didn't really exist
before my father in law and doctornor Vincent Peale, which is his predecessor.
Before they brought that to the forefront, it was more negativity and you
know, pay your penance. Yeah, yeah, exactly, And yeah,
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there's a there's a place to beyou know, admonished for some times.
But you know, people, right, we can affect a lot more people
for good, for positive and approachthings with love instead of fear. Yeah,
he absolutely changed the narrative and hedid. He did, and your
family, I mean, you know, the presence it has had at in
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Orange County and again all over theworld really was so huge. And you
know, so you didn't again justget to live a regular life. You
know, you were under the microscopefor a long time and and uh,
you know then you come out andI know, Mindy's been a part of
your Fearless Woman groups. Women.You know, we can segue into talking
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a little bit about that. Imean, you guys have done the great
you've talked about with your father andthen going on in your flight attendant days
even you talk about that and beinghijacked, you talk about opening a church
in the middle of COVID has saidthat, like it's like everybody's hijack.
I want someone to read the bookbecause there's stories, yes, expand a
little bit up. Can we justlike for a second, that's kind of
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a big deal, you tall,you know, like what my childhood experience,
and then it prepared me for thesecriseses of it got older. I
believe that you were hijacked. You'reon a plane that was hijack exactly exactly.
U. Yeah, I was twentyI was barely twenty four years old.
I happened to be what we usedto call the first flight attendant,
which is the lead flight attendant onthis particular flight, just because that's what
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I bid for and I was takingoff out of Miami. There was actually
backing up a bit. There hadbeen a whole rash of hijackings at that
point from Cuba, from excuse me, from the US Miami, specifically for
the Cuban refugees who wanted to gohome. They came to Miami and said
nope, changed my mind, andthey were hijacking planes like you can look
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it up like once a week.So yeah, So the high the attempt
at hijacking that I was part ofwas one of the very last ones because
the US government finally just came downhard. In fact, the whole other
story, I spent a couple ofweeks in federal court Miami as a twenty
four year old. That was aninteresting thing. So the guy was prosecuted.
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I think he got thirty five years. You know, I don't know
whatever happened to him, but yeah. It was on takeoff out of Miami
and I was, as flights oftendo, on the jump seat. During
takeoff. I was talking to theguy next to me who happened to be
who happened this fluent Spanish. Ispeak Spanish now, not fluently, pretty
pretty good, but at that timeI knew nothing like literally like Agua water
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and taco and probably Serveisa for sure, I knew, and I knew tequila,
but back then I didn't know toomuch. And so this guy came
up right on a sin. Imean, we were steep, we had
just taken off and there's this guycoming up. But of course, as
flight as it usually do, we'replaying around, and you know, these
are things you don't forget the details. The buddy on my jump seat right
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who was the Gallley persons, wasdrawing like a hat and we were doing
that, Hello have you ever donethat? You read a little bit of
face and lips and we're going helloHarry. And we looked up and we
go, who is this jerk comingup on takeoff? Like what? So
all of a sudden, this guycomes up and suddenly I see that he's
really angry. Right, I can'tunderstand what he's saying, but he's just
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going off. And my buddy onthe jump suit, who's on this side
of me, my left, sayslemento, you know, just a minute.
He goes by the way we're beinghijacked and goes back to talking to
him in Spanish. So I wassitting there and I go, oh,
that's what I thought, And forsome reason I knew my intuition told me
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this guy was threatening, and fromthere it was pretty amazing story, which
like what do you want? Yeah, yeah, but we have a whole
protocol. Yeah, I can tellyou flight attendants and pilot they're very very
well trained in emergency procedures and anythinglike this. What did you do?
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Wait? Yet, I follow protocoland literally like you you know you when
you're in an emergency like that,you just go back to your training.
And I have to say I havea lot of respect for flight to say
I only flew off through my twenties. I quit when I was twenty eight.
I flew from the time I wastwenty one to twenty eight, which
I loved. I mean, Iflew in the best days. We used
to have three day layovers in Honolulua week in Guam. I mean,
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what were they thinking about? Butthe flight attimes are so well trained in
emergency procedures that there's no time tobe scared, there's no time to think
about you just act exactly. Thefear came later when the FBI met the
plane, and I remember looking downand both of my arms were just shaking,
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like out of control, shaking,like what stop? What do you
do? But yeah, it's andgoing back to what you know, the
kind of my past and the wayI was brought up. I believe that
I'm really good in crises. Infact, at one time I wanted to
be a crisis counselor. I don'tlike that wouldn't be a good counselor for
somebody that repetitively comes in week afterweek. That takes a very special kind
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of patience to be that kind ofa counselor. But I'm really good at
crisis management, like awesome, AndI think it's because I went through a
lot of crisis as a young person, and like you said, not everybody
is an attempted hijack. No,I don't wanting to know, like what
you did? I am like Iknow, No, I don't want to
know because they got to read thebook. No details aren't now wanting In
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the book, I can tell youthe end of the story. The pilot,
I'll still remember his name was AlBurrell. The captain finally got so
fed up because we're following all thisprotocol and everything that's right out of the
manual, and I'm diving into thecockpit. Because I'm a female. They
always say the female had they theyused to tell you to put the skirt.
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This is horribly like inappropriate today,very politically correct, but they always
not to put the skirt in betweenthe guys because it would be disarming psychologically.
So I was doing the Okay,i gotta get in here. Oh
now he's out here, and nowI gotta go here. So I was
doing all that finally Albarell, thecaptain uses buff guy. It was super
like So I was twenty four,he was really old. He was like
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forty two. To me. Thatwas old, right, But I remember
he was very muscular. He finallygoes blankety blank at he blanke, no
blankety blankety blank, hijacker is gonnahijack my plane. He still remember it.
He unsnapped his you know, hetook his shoulder harnesses off, he
hopped out, he went outside becausewe had the cockpit door open at that
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time. Beat the living crud outof the guy. Beat the crud out
of him. And it was ona seven twenty seven where we used to
you'd get on the plane of tobe a coat closet there, so it
was kind of behind It was bythe main cabin door, kind of tucked
in behind the coat closet, sothe passengers in first class couldn't see if
they could hear, I saw,and then the flight didn't have we didn't
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have one single empty seat, soI actually sat on the perpetrator in the
galley. He was tied up.We tied him up with headsets. These
are the days when we had plasticheadsets. They were they were tubes that
plugged in the word remember that,Yes, we used they were bright orange
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on Colt Miller and I. Wetied him up and I sat on him
and I remember this, and thisis and like, I'm not giving anything
away in the book. I'm justtelling you it's an interesting book because I
have some good stories. Um.I sat on him and at that point
he was begging me for a glassof water, and I, like,
I said, I knew the wordfor water. And I remember I looked
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in no no, I just keptsaying no, so no, no,
absolutely, no. Wow a story. So life is interesting. Life is
interesting. And you guys to knowa lot of um, very interesting times
in your life. One of themwas COVID right oh yeah, oh yeah,
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here you are, and you knowthe governor has said, okay,
um, churches be gone, everyonenut down, it's non essential. Liquor
stares, strip clubs. Tell usa little bit about how you pivoted during
Yes, yeah, well, Ithink it's one of the things it's interesting
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to remember, Glenn, is thatwe didn't have a church at that time.
We were traveling the globe, wewere working with the Global Peace Foundation,
we were we were doing ministry outof Californian, out of the United
States for the most part, andwhen COVID happened, of course our travels
came screeching to a halt. Andthen my husband, who had a dad
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who started a church in a drivein theater, right, said, hey,
you know what these people want todo. All these people have churches,
all these pastors, and you wereat the age we mentor people,
right, we mentor a lot ofyounger pastors. He called up everybody he
knew and said, this is whatyou do. I mean even our own
set Bobby we go. No,don't close your church, just move out
to the marketing lot. Just moveout, take your sound equipment. All
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you gotta do is by this littleradio transmitter and you can have people listen
through the FM radio. Not onesingle person would do it, not one
single person. And we know whybecause you know, obviously a lot of
people don't own their own land.A lot of churches don't own their own
land. Even if they do,they've got insurance companies right that are threatening,
and there's all this liability and people. So guess what. People were
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fearful. So Robert looked at meand said, I gotta do something.
We gotta do this, And I'mlike, we gotta do this. I
mean we're sitting I retired, We'reI mean, really we're gonna do this.
We don't have staff, we don'thave a building, we don't have
equipment, we have nothing, becausewe've been traveling the world doing our ministry
in a whole different way. Sohe goes, Yep, I'm going online.
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I know what to do. Soas he was ordering this FM transmitter,
we were also on the phone.Because we've been in Orange County a
long time, right, just likeyou guys we have, we have lots
of great friends. We start callingeverybody we know that owns property, that
owns big property at all the malls. Nope, they couldn't let us use
their parking lots because of the liability, because of the lease agreements with the
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other uh LEE seats. Even thoughthe Leacs were not using their parking lots,
they were empty right southest Plausa.I mean, you you can name
it. You know, you knowthe area. So what are we going
to do? Finally, Stephanie Ardrosmutual friend, said, you know,
I think we probably have a parkinglot. Let me let me get in
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touch with the right staff number,and they found us an old you know,
one of their older parking lots andan older office complex. Do you
guys know you were there? Yea, yeah, and thanks to the Arjuro's
family, we were able to staythere. We thought we were only going
to be there a few weeks becausewe thought it was the flatten the curve.
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We were there until we got thecall that said, you know,
we love you guys. We havea business to run here, and we
were actually starting to tick people offbecause there was one psychologist in particular that
had an office here and she metwith clients on Sunday morning. Oh she
she was going and she'd pull upand go I remember going, hi,
good morning, and she'd say playingthat music again, you're playing that music
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again and just shake her head.So I'm pretty sure because of her we
had to leave, which which isgreat. You know it was all in
God's plan. Well, yep,yep. But talking about how Fearless Women
was formed during COVID too. Ohyou started this thing and it's a talking
I mean, okay, so let'sjust before we go. I don't want
to go without talking about this book. It's a forty day practice and living
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fearlessly, But it really was bornfrom a group. You started up Women
Fearless Women every twice twice a monthon Thursdays. But you started in COVID
and you weren't sure. Like thisis one thing a lot of people think
about, I want to do something, and they get gets in the way
in there and just what do Ido? What if nobody likes it?
What if nobody wants it? Andyou could have those mirrors when you did
it, like what if nobody's interestedin what happened? Tell me how it
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happened. Well, it was coincidentliterally that it started in March A,
twenty twenty. I had planned itand decided to do it in November twenty
nineteen. I said, Okay,I'm doing this. And that was after
three years of just saying I'm notgoing to do this. Nope, nope,
nope. Like you said, willanybody come, I don't know.
I don't we live. We wereliving in Mexico half the time then,
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and I'm like, we don't havea facility. You know, I don't
have the finances to make this happen. I had every excuse in the world,
but I couldn't let go of it, and it's like, you know,
this book is a lot about doingthe right thing, doing the thing
that you know you have to do, even when it's difficult, even when
part of your mind's going, don'tdo this, No, you can't do
this, and then your positive sidesgoing, yeah, they're they're arguing with
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the negative committee in your head.I like to call it the negative committee.
So finally I decide November nineteen,I'm going to do this. Yep,
I'm gonna do this. I founda building I was going to actually
meet at the American Legion and lookingat the beach, and never ended up
meeting there because they closed it down, and ended up on Zoom for a
couple of weeks, and then endedup with our friends. And now you
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know, for many years now I'vebeen it's been over three years, but
for three years. I think I'vebeen meeting at Shammon's house for three years,
twice place a month on Thursday,so I've been able to go to
these. I love it when youcome. You know what what's true?
I would say it says fearless womentransform negative emotions, hint positive reality.
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That's kind of what we do inthis in the meetings. You got to
go through these different courses. Youhave to stop, think, break into
groups, we talk about things inlife. And yes, very obviously it's
a spiritual book about your faith,and yes, very much so. Robert
wrote a beautiful forward here about it, and he just challenges you. It's
just if you, you know,take forty days, a forty day journey
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to overcome fear and living faith,and it can transform your attitude, nourish
your soul, and empower your mind. So it's something, it's something you
want to pick up a copy ofthis. It's available on Amazon. Yes,
I think what really makes a womanfearless? Donna? What is it?
Well, it's kind of expanding onwhat I already said a little bit
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earlier, and that is that whatmakes you fearless is not being a not
being afraid, But it's about breakingthrough the fear. It's about doing what
you know you got to do becauseyou know, deep in your gut you
got to do it, even ifyou're scared, even if you go no
one will come, or I don'thave the means to make this happen,
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or I don't have a facility.If you decide to say yes and I
call it saying yes to God.Then those doors. If if it's something
worthwhile, if it's something not justcoming from your ego only, but if
it's something that's going to better theworld, is going to better people around
you, then it will happen.But you first have to make the decision
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to say yes, even when it'suncomfortable. That's what I tell our kids
that all the time. You know, well, you know, I couldn't.
I wasn't sure if I'd be ableto do. I said, listen,
say yes, and then figure itout later, right, like exactly,
at least get keep the door openso then you can arrange, because
if it's something of importance and priority, then you will figure out how to
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make it happen. But don't closethe door before you've even begun to fight,
you know, And and a lotof us do that. We just
want to, you know, kindof limit ourselves. Negative committee exactly.
Oh, there's this that naked there'sso loud. That negative committee can be
so loud, and usually we're thewe're the chairman of the board that negative
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committee. We are right the othervoice so loud. What you did?
I love that? I love too, And it's not. It's not like
Dona. Donna Schuler is a fearlesswoman and wrote this fearless book, and
you can be fearless. You hada lot of fears writing this. You
were not going to do it.Someone Georgiana, one of our friends,
talk to you, I want todart. Yeah, exactly, and you
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did it. And now you havethis beautiful book with beautiful stories and anecdotes
and a really beautiful forty day practicefor anyone who wants to just put a
little faith and encouragement and inspiration intheir lives. I am very excited.
I can't wait for you to signmy book at our next meeting. I
can't wait either and do it anywheah, feel the fear anyway, Fred grown
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up from Susan Jefferds. So youare joining a very esteemed group of women
authors in conquering your fear and transformingyour life. So I'm very excited for
you. Donna. Thank you,thank you very much. Well, thank
you for having me on. Iappreciate you, guys. I feel comfortable
being with you, and we haveto have you back on our podcast soon.
Spend a long time. I thinkthat this is um you know,
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there's a lot of people that thatwatch our show, I mean all twelve
of them, and but a lotof but what I and I'm joking.
I know somebody just came to ourchurch because they heard Robert on your program,
Kelly, Kelly Roberts, there yougo. But all honestly, there
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are a lot of people out therethat are afraid of what's the first step?
What do I do? And it'sobvious that when you see other people
like yourself who have said I'm goingto feel the fear and do it anyways,
I'm going to go off and sayyes, and I'm going to,
you know, attempt to get outof my comfort zone. And when you
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do that, you can be amazedat the beauty and the pride you can
feel about changing your life. Youknow, so I applaud you. You
can be fair too. I thinkwe all have it in us to be
we do fearless womanly. Yeah,we're man man do Yep. It's gotta
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be fearless, fearless. It justgotta be fearless, Donna. And if
people go out there and buy yourbook, I hope they do. There's
a wonderful quote on the back,yes from a woman sitting next to you.
H pretty lady. What I knowit in a book? I mean
a book cover, I mean aparagraph on a book. You've done,
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You've done, Donna. We loveyou, Thank you so much for joining
us. Where can people follow you? Where can they find you? On
Instagram? Were they gonna find me? Yes? They can find me.
Uh. I have a website thatI actually just reactivated. It's actually a
nice website I just have visited sincewe started the church. But it's my
name, Donna Schuler Um, DonnaSchuler dot com, Donna Schuler dot com.
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It's Healthy Family, Happy Life dotcom. But Donna Schueler dot com
will get you there too. Loveit, love it. Thank you,
Donna. Thank you for joining uson another episode of It Happened. See
you next time. Thank you please, sir, I sure well. Thanks,
thanks for love you to see youguys soon, see you real soon, ye,
Hi. I'm Mindy Sterns and I'mGlen's Sterns, and this is Grit Happened.
Join us as we engage in candidconversations with some of the most successful
people in every field and from everywalk of life, all with a common
thread of grit and a goal ofnot just surviving, but thriving. And
we hope that the show will helpyou feel informed, energized, and especially
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inspired. So let's get started.This is gret Happens. We're back for
another girl it happened. Oh y'alldoing out there? They can't answer,
but I'm sure they're doing amazing becausethey're here. They've tuned in. They
are ready to hear some good,gritty stories because that's what we talk about
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on here. That's right, grittystories. How are you feeling well?
I was feeling good until you justput me down in front of all four
of our customers out there. Theyare not customers, It is an audience.
And then we have a billion.So where's this new thinking coming?
Where is it you talk about thinkingthat in your book it's all about positive
It's right, It's about abundance mindset, not scarcity mindset. Do you want
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to start over. No, Idon't want to start over. I love
how this is going so but Iam really excited that we have an amazing
guest that we're going to be ableto highlight a dear friend, a dear
friend, someone who we know,we've known from the practically the beginning of
our relationship that will be very veryclose to the bars. And you two
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have something in common. Um,you both are authors. You wrote a
book. She wrote a book,and I'm very excited to talk today to
Donna Schuller about the book that shedid not want to write but did anyway.
Fearless women feel the fear and doit anyway. I got to bring
her on, Donna Schueller, Welcometo gir it happened, Hi, Donna.
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Hey, Hi, And I've gotsecrets about you guys, so I'll
be I'll try to behay, butyou like gritty stuff. But yeah,
I've known these two since the beginning. And I do have some greedy stories
in my book too. You mightnot know that since I'm a pastor,
but you know, I wasn't alwaysso perfect when I was growing up,
So there's some stuff in there.My poor mom, that's my poor mom.
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I feel like my daughter's going tosay that one day, Well she
will writing the book, you know, my book Integrity Also same thing coming
out and get to a place whereyou go, do I really want to
expose that? You know? Andyou go, But then that's part of
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life. Might as well put itall out there. Why not. The
beauty of you and Glenn for thatmatter, if I can compare you for
for a moment, is that there'sa real vulnerability in your approach to life.
And I think that's what ingratiates peopletowards you, is that you're not
afraid to be honest, open,vulnerable, real, expose your flaws,
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talk about your fears. And Ithink when you lead, like Glenn always
says, when you lead with myflaws, it just it. It disarms
people, don't exact. I totallyagree. I totally agree. If you
know, if you know your speakeris real and honest, like you said,
kind of kind of gritty and embracestheir past and it's an embarrassed by
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it, but uses it for goodfor the future, for the president or
future, then you can relate moreif you're if you I know, in
my life, if I've been listeningto somebody who appears to be perfect in
every way. I just shut down. I close off. I'm like,
ahh yeah, you bet, youbet, And I think what is happening
in the world, and correct meif you disagree. UM. I feel
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like social media encourages that, let'slead with being perfect. So everybody looks
perfect. They've got the perfect world, the perfect life, the perfect clothes,
everything is right, it's perfectly edited, the perfect filter. And I
don't. I hope that the kidsin our young society are recognizing the value
of leading with your flaws and talkingabout where you vulnerable. And I hope
your books, both you know,illustrate that. What do you think?
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But I actually have one of myshort stories. There's forty short stories in
here. One of them says,fearless women are real, and I talk
exactly about this issue that you know, we all obviously we put our best
foot forward normally on social media,but life hasn't always like that. And
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I actually go on to say thatthere's nothing wrong with, you know,
the color of hair. We werein makeup for women hopefully never mind,
we won't go down that road rightnow, but but we do all kinds
of things too. To make ourselveslook better. And that's all good stuff.
You know, we buy nice clothing, we have beautiful shoes, we
had our nails done, all goodstuff. But if the reason we're doing
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that is to cover up some insidework that needs to be done, you
know, that's when there's a problem. That's when there's an issue. That's
when the kind of the not soreal person sona of who we are comes
forward. If we're doing things forthe wrong reasons. So we just have
to make sure we do things forthe right reason to the best of our
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ability. So yeah, we knowone time we talked or on the show
before about someone that reached out tous and said, kind of f you
and your perfect lives. They watchedour Facebook, and we reached back out
and said, you know, ifthere was a Facebook page that was for
all the negative things, they shouldcall it on your Facebook. I like
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that. I would love to beon there, But you know, we
would have a pretty um big Facebookwith all the negative ones as well.
You know. I mean, lifeisn't perfect and and there are too many
places where we get to highlight thepositive things, but um, you know,
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you tend to leave out the negativeones and that's why you write a
book. That's why you write abook. You get you talk about let's
talk a little bit about going there, speaking of grit and talk you talk
in the beginning, you're very vulneraabout. You know, you lost your
father when you were very young,and that really shaped your life and prepared
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you in some ways for things andcrises and things that happened. Go a
little bit into your own gritty storyand talk about sure, sure you know,
I grew up in a family thatwas we weren't intact, okay,
So my mom and dad got divorcedthe first time when my brother was two
and I was five, and thenmy brother and I ended up living with
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my dad actually, and you knowthat many years ago without divulgia. I
don't actually care if people know I'min my sixties. I'm actually my late
sixties. Down I'm dark, proudof it, look so so thank you.
So it was a long time agoI lived my dad for you or
my dad was an airline pilot.We lived up by Lax and I was
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there with my dad until my parentsgot remirror when I was eight and my
brother was no excuse me, Iwas eight. We were eight and five
when we lived my dad. Theygot remarried when I was nine, and
then we moved to Lucuna Beach andthen they got separated slash divorced again,
and then my dad died in acar accident when I was thirteen. My
brother was ten. So here's thething about me. I actually, you
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know, back in those days,First of all, nobody went to counseling.
Very few people went to counseling.It wasn't something, especially children.
I don't think there was ever athought to, hey, Donna and Jeff,
Jeff's my brother, probably need somecounseling. Looking back at my junior
high years, because I was inseventh grade when my dad died, I
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was just a mess. You know. I was just a mess through junior
high high school. I hit itreally well. I was a very popular,
attractive girl, you know, andhung with the right crowd. But
I was hurting so bad, andI was just running as far away from
God, as far away from anythingreal at that time. And actually I
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drank quite a lot when I wasa young teenager. And it began my
mom's second wedding, which took placetwo weeks after my dad's funeral. Oh
wow. Yeah, it's a lotof process. But you know, fast
forward to when I met Robert whenI was twenty seven, he says,
when he said to me, oh, wow, you lost your dad when
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you were thirteen. That must havebeen really difficult for you. My answer
was, oh no, I wasfine. It was fine. So it
took me mint. Yeah, Idid so talk about denial. So it
wasn't until I had my own children. Anthony and Christina were about the same
age that I was when my parentsfirst got divorced. Is when my world
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just came crashing down. I wasabout thirty five years old and I finally
grieved the loss of my dad andit was a tough, tough time,
but I got through it. Igot through it by real I now it's
a big deal. You know,you got to feel your pain and right
blend. I mean, there's athere's a there's a happy medium to being
positive and being in denial. Sothat's what the balance I try to strike.
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I think you find these big eventsin our lives that really reshape us
and put us on a track.A lot of times we might start down
the wrong track because we are indenial or you know, we don't know
how to process it. And ifwe're fortunate enough, and I can give
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you a million examples that yours one, my dad was another myself, that
you can take that and this adversityand you can use it as rocket fuel
to really exactly once you finally realize, Okay, I'm in in a place
of acceptance, Now what am Igoing to do moving forward in anything?
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Because we can't go backwards, right, we can only go forward. And
once you get there, while yeah, it was a terrible thing that happened
and didn't kill you, and thatwhole adage what doesn't kill you makes you
stronger, I think absolutely absolutely.I know some people more time than others.
Exactly I know for me, Imean, first of all, I
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agree one percent. For me,I look back at what happened to me
through my life and it just mademe so much more effective as a wife
to Robert. You know, Imarried into this huge ministry and was like,
whoa, you know what's going onhere? But as the years went
by, and I've been married onmy thirty nine years, so I've been
in this ministry for many years now, a long time. But I realized
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that all of those things have helpedme be become such a much more sensitive
person. I'm not afraid to talkto the people in our church that have
lost loved ones. You know,sometimes when you lose somebody, people don't
know what to say, right,so they just kind of ignore it.
I'm comfortable hitting that subject just headon. Same with divorce, same with
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any tragedy. Really, I don'thave a problem with just coming right out
talking to a person asking you ifthey need prayer, if they need help,
what do you need? This isa really difficult time for you,
and I know that's because of mypast and what had been through. So,
you know, Donna, for thosethat that maybe um don't know,
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just to give a to go backwardsa little bit. You're married doctor Robert
Schuller. Okay, yea, andhe married you. He married you exactly,
and his father it bounded the CrystalCathedral, right and the Hour of
Power which went all over the world, so exactly. That focus on your
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family and you was huge. Wasa very very very big, you know,
set of eyes on you, guys, and a lot of social media
before social media even existed, Thankgod. All right, I'm glad I
didn't exist when I was a teenager. That's all I could say, because
I probably wouldn't be sitting here rightnow. I'm sure we can all say
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that, right. But yes,it was a big deal my husband.
You know, I married into thishuge family of basically I mean Christian celebrities
if you will, I hate thatword, but at one point my father
in law was like the most popularperson in all of Orange County. I
wasn't in the scene at that point, but like through the late seventies and
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early eighties, I married Robert andeighty four, but he was big,
big deal and really had a strongimpact on so many lives. He was
just a great man, super smartman, super positive man. But he
did something. He was the veryfirst one that took what doctor Norman Vincent
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Peale had had done, and thatis he was the first one in southern
California and sort of in um Iguess, in his generation to take what
doctor Pill had done, and thatis to take psychology, positive psychology and
blend it with mainline Christianity. Andtoday we know a lot of pastors are
very positive. They talk about thefact that God, why don't you to
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succeed? Uh, you know,he wants the best for you. He
wants you to be happy. Butthat's you know, that didn't really exist
before my father in law and doctornor Vincent Peale, which is his predecessor.
Before they brought that to the forefront, it was more negativity and you
know, pay your penance. Yeah, yeah, exactly, And yeah,
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there's a there's a place to beyou know, admonished for some times.
But you know, people, right, we can affect a lot more people
for good, for positive and approachthings with love instead of fear. Yeah,
he absolutely changed the narrative and hedid. He did, and your
family, I mean, you know, the presence it has had at in
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Orange County and again all over theworld really was so huge. And you
know, so you didn't again justget to live a regular life. You
know, you were under the microscopefor a long time and and uh,
you know then you come out andI know, Mindy's been a part of
your Fearless Woman groups. Women.You know, we can segue into talking
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a little bit about that. Imean, you guys have done the great
you've talked about with your father andthen going on in your flight attendant days
even you talk about that and beinghijacked, you talk about opening a church
in the middle of COVID has saidthat, like it's like everybody's hijack.
I want someone to read the bookbecause there's stories, yes, expand a
little bit up. Can we justlike for a second, that's kind of
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a big deal, you tall,you know, like what my childhood experience,
and then it prepared me for thesecriseses of it got older. I
believe that you were hijacked. You'reon a plane that was hijack exactly exactly.
U. Yeah, I was twentyI was barely twenty four years old.
I happened to be what we usedto call the first flight attendant,
which is the lead flight attendant onthis particular flight, just because that's what
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I bid for and I was takingoff out of Miami. There was actually
backing up a bit. There hadbeen a whole rash of hijackings at that
point from Cuba, from excuse me, from the US Miami, specifically for
the Cuban refugees who wanted to gohome. They came to Miami and said
nope, changed my mind, andthey were hijacking planes like you can look
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it up like once a week.So yeah, So the high the attempt
at hijacking that I was part ofwas one of the very last ones because
the US government finally just came downhard. In fact, the whole other
story, I spent a couple ofweeks in federal court Miami as a twenty
four year old. That was aninteresting thing. So the guy was prosecuted.
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I think he got thirty five years. You know, I don't know
whatever happened to him, but yeah. It was on takeoff out of Miami
and I was, as flights oftendo, on the jump seat. During
takeoff. I was talking to theguy next to me who happened to be
who happened this fluent Spanish. Ispeak Spanish now, not fluently, pretty
pretty good, but at that timeI knew nothing like literally like Agua water
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and taco and probably Serveisa for sure, I knew, and I knew tequila,
but back then I didn't know toomuch. And so this guy came
up right on a sin. Imean, we were steep, we had
just taken off and there's this guycoming up. But of course, as
flight as it usually do, we'replaying around, and you know, these
are things you don't forget the details. The buddy on my jump seat right
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who was the Gallley persons, wasdrawing like a hat and we were doing
that, Hello have you ever donethat? You read a little bit of
face and lips and we're going helloHarry. And we looked up and we
go, who is this jerk comingup on takeoff? Like what? So
all of a sudden, this guycomes up and suddenly I see that he's
really angry. Right, I can'tunderstand what he's saying, but he's just
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going off. And my buddy onthe jump suit, who's on this side
of me, my left, sayslemento, you know, just a minute.
He goes by the way we're beinghijacked and goes back to talking to
him in Spanish. So I wassitting there and I go, oh,
that's what I thought, And forsome reason I knew my intuition told me
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this guy was threatening, and fromthere it was pretty amazing story, which
like what do you want? Yeah, yeah, but we have a whole
protocol. Yeah, I can tellyou flight attendants and pilot they're very very
well trained in emergency procedures and anythinglike this. What did you do?
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Wait? Yet, I follow protocoland literally like you you know you when
you're in an emergency like that,you just go back to your training.
And I have to say I havea lot of respect for flight to say
I only flew off through my twenties. I quit when I was twenty eight.
I flew from the time I wastwenty one to twenty eight, which
I loved. I mean, Iflew in the best days. We used
to have three day layovers in Honolulua week in Guam. I mean,
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what were they thinking about? Butthe flight attimes are so well trained in
emergency procedures that there's no time tobe scared, there's no time to think
about you just act exactly. Thefear came later when the FBI met the
plane, and I remember looking downand both of my arms were just shaking,
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like out of control, shaking,like what stop? What do you
do? But yeah, it's andgoing back to what you know, the
kind of my past and the wayI was brought up. I believe that
I'm really good in crises. Infact, at one time I wanted to
be a crisis counselor. I don'tlike that wouldn't be a good counselor for
somebody that repetitively comes in week afterweek. That takes a very special kind
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of patience to be that kind ofa counselor. But I'm really good at
crisis management, like awesome, AndI think it's because I went through a
lot of crisis as a young person, and like you said, not everybody
is an attempted hijack. No,I don't wanting to know, like what
you did? I am like Iknow, No, I don't want to
know because they got to read thebook. No details aren't now wanting In
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the book, I can tell youthe end of the story. The pilot,
I'll still remember his name was AlBurrell. The captain finally got so
fed up because we're following all thisprotocol and everything that's right out of the
manual, and I'm diving into thecockpit. Because I'm a female. They
always say the female had they theyused to tell you to put the skirt.
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This is horribly like inappropriate today,very politically correct, but they always
not to put the skirt in betweenthe guys because it would be disarming psychologically.
So I was doing the Okay,i gotta get in here. Oh
now he's out here, and nowI gotta go here. So I was
doing all that finally Albarell, thecaptain uses buff guy. It was super
like So I was twenty four,he was really old. He was like
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forty two. To me. Thatwas old, right, But I remember
he was very muscular. He finallygoes blankety blank at he blanke, no
blankety blankety blank, hijacker is gonnahijack my plane. He still remember it.
He unsnapped his you know, hetook his shoulder harnesses off, he
hopped out, he went outside becausewe had the cockpit door open at that
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time. Beat the living crud outof the guy. Beat the crud out
of him. And it was ona seven twenty seven where we used to
you'd get on the plane of tobe a coat closet there, so it
was kind of behind It was bythe main cabin door, kind of tucked
in behind the coat closet, sothe passengers in first class couldn't see if
they could hear, I saw,and then the flight didn't have we didn't
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have one single empty seat, soI actually sat on the perpetrator in the
galley. He was tied up.We tied him up with headsets. These
are the days when we had plasticheadsets. They were they were tubes that
plugged in the word remember that,Yes, we used they were bright orange
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on Colt Miller and I. Wetied him up and I sat on him
and I remember this, and thisis and like, I'm not giving anything
away in the book. I'm justtelling you it's an interesting book because I
have some good stories. Um.I sat on him and at that point
he was begging me for a glassof water, and I, like,
I said, I knew the wordfor water. And I remember I looked
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in no no, I just keptsaying no, so no, no,
absolutely, no. Wow a story. So life is interesting. Life is
interesting. And you guys to knowa lot of um, very interesting times
in your life. One of themwas COVID right oh yeah, oh yeah,
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here you are, and you knowthe governor has said, okay,
um, churches be gone, everyonenut down, it's non essential. Liquor
stares, strip clubs. Tell usa little bit about how you pivoted during
Yes, yeah, well, Ithink it's one of the things it's interesting
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to remember, Glenn, is thatwe didn't have a church at that time.
We were traveling the globe, wewere working with the Global Peace Foundation,
we were we were doing ministry outof Californian, out of the United
States for the most part, andwhen COVID happened, of course our travels
came screeching to a halt. Andthen my husband, who had a dad
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who started a church in a drivein theater, right, said, hey,
you know what these people want todo. All these people have churches,
all these pastors, and you wereat the age we mentor people,
right, we mentor a lot ofyounger pastors. He called up everybody he
knew and said, this is whatyou do. I mean even our own
set Bobby we go. No,don't close your church, just move out
to the marketing lot. Just moveout, take your sound equipment. All
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you gotta do is by this littleradio transmitter and you can have people listen
through the FM radio. Not onesingle person would do it, not one
single person. And we know whybecause you know, obviously a lot of
people don't own their own land.A lot of churches don't own their own
land. Even if they do,they've got insurance companies right that are threatening,
and there's all this liability and people. So guess what. People were
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fearful. So Robert looked at meand said, I gotta do something.
We gotta do this, And I'mlike, we gotta do this. I
mean we're sitting I retired, We'reI mean, really we're gonna do this.
We don't have staff, we don'thave a building, we don't have
equipment, we have nothing, becausewe've been traveling the world doing our ministry
in a whole different way. Sohe goes, Yep, I'm going online.
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I know what to do. Soas he was ordering this FM transmitter,
we were also on the phone.Because we've been in Orange County a
long time, right, just likeyou guys we have, we have lots
of great friends. We start callingeverybody we know that owns property, that
owns big property at all the malls. Nope, they couldn't let us use
their parking lots because of the liability, because of the lease agreements with the
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other uh LEE seats. Even thoughthe Leacs were not using their parking lots,
they were empty right southest Plausa.I mean, you you can name
it. You know, you knowthe area. So what are we going
to do? Finally, Stephanie Ardrosmutual friend, said, you know,
I think we probably have a parkinglot. Let me let me get in
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touch with the right staff number,and they found us an old you know,
one of their older parking lots andan older office complex. Do you
guys know you were there? Yea, yeah, and thanks to the Arjuro's
family, we were able to staythere. We thought we were only going
to be there a few weeks becausewe thought it was the flatten the curve.
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We were there until we got thecall that said, you know,
we love you guys. We havea business to run here, and we
were actually starting to tick people offbecause there was one psychologist in particular that
had an office here and she metwith clients on Sunday morning. Oh she
she was going and she'd pull upand go I remember going, hi,
good morning, and she'd say playingthat music again, you're playing that music
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again and just shake her head.So I'm pretty sure because of her we
had to leave, which which isgreat. You know it was all in
God's plan. Well, yep,yep. But talking about how Fearless Women
was formed during COVID too. Ohyou started this thing and it's a talking
I mean, okay, so let'sjust before we go. I don't want
to go without talking about this book. It's a forty day practice and living
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fearlessly, But it really was bornfrom a group. You started up Women
Fearless Women every twice twice a monthon Thursdays. But you started in COVID
and you weren't sure. Like thisis one thing a lot of people think
about, I want to do something, and they get gets in the way
in there and just what do Ido? What if nobody likes it?
What if nobody wants it? Andyou could have those mirrors when you did
it, like what if nobody's interestedin what happened? Tell me how it
(26:10):
happened. Well, it was coincidentliterally that it started in March A,
twenty twenty. I had planned itand decided to do it in November twenty
nineteen. I said, Okay,I'm doing this. And that was after
three years of just saying I'm notgoing to do this. Nope, nope,
nope. Like you said, willanybody come, I don't know.
I don't we live. We wereliving in Mexico half the time then,
(26:32):
and I'm like, we don't havea facility. You know, I don't
have the finances to make this happen. I had every excuse in the world,
but I couldn't let go of it, and it's like, you know,
this book is a lot about doingthe right thing, doing the thing
that you know you have to do, even when it's difficult, even when
part of your mind's going, don'tdo this, No, you can't do
this, and then your positive sidesgoing, yeah, they're they're arguing with
(26:56):
the negative committee in your head.I like to call it the negative committee.
So finally I decide November nineteen,I'm going to do this. Yep,
I'm gonna do this. I founda building I was going to actually
meet at the American Legion and lookingat the beach, and never ended up
meeting there because they closed it down, and ended up on Zoom for a
couple of weeks, and then endedup with our friends. And now you
(27:18):
know, for many years now I'vebeen it's been over three years, but
for three years. I think I'vebeen meeting at Shammon's house for three years,
twice place a month on Thursday,so I've been able to go to
these. I love it when youcome. You know what what's true?
I would say it says fearless womentransform negative emotions, hint positive reality.
(27:38):
That's kind of what we do inthis in the meetings. You got to
go through these different courses. Youhave to stop, think, break into
groups, we talk about things inlife. And yes, very obviously it's
a spiritual book about your faith,and yes, very much so. Robert
wrote a beautiful forward here about it, and he just challenges you. It's
just if you, you know,take forty days, a forty day journey
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to overcome fear and living faith,and it can transform your attitude, nourish
your soul, and empower your mind. So it's something, it's something you
want to pick up a copy ofthis. It's available on Amazon. Yes,
I think what really makes a womanfearless? Donna? What is it?
Well, it's kind of expanding onwhat I already said a little bit
(28:22):
earlier, and that is that whatmakes you fearless is not being a not
being afraid, But it's about breakingthrough the fear. It's about doing what
you know you got to do becauseyou know, deep in your gut you
got to do it, even ifyou're scared, even if you go no
one will come, or I don'thave the means to make this happen,
(28:44):
or I don't have a facility.If you decide to say yes and I
call it saying yes to God.Then those doors. If if it's something
worthwhile, if it's something not justcoming from your ego only, but if
it's something that's going to better theworld, is going to better people around
you, then it will happen.But you first have to make the decision
(29:07):
to say yes, even when it'suncomfortable. That's what I tell our kids
that all the time. You know, well, you know, I couldn't.
I wasn't sure if I'd be ableto do. I said, listen,
say yes, and then figure itout later, right, like exactly,
at least get keep the door openso then you can arrange, because
if it's something of importance and priority, then you will figure out how to
(29:32):
make it happen. But don't closethe door before you've even begun to fight,
you know, And and a lotof us do that. We just
want to, you know, kindof limit ourselves. Negative committee exactly.
Oh, there's this that naked there'sso loud. That negative committee can be
so loud, and usually we're thewe're the chairman of the board that negative
(29:55):
committee. We are right the othervoice so loud. What you did?
I love that? I love too, And it's not. It's not like
Dona. Donna Schuler is a fearlesswoman and wrote this fearless book, and
you can be fearless. You hada lot of fears writing this. You
were not going to do it.Someone Georgiana, one of our friends,
talk to you, I want todart. Yeah, exactly, and you
(30:15):
did it. And now you havethis beautiful book with beautiful stories and anecdotes
and a really beautiful forty day practicefor anyone who wants to just put a
little faith and encouragement and inspiration intheir lives. I am very excited.
I can't wait for you to signmy book at our next meeting. I
can't wait either and do it anywheah, feel the fear anyway, Fred grown
(30:36):
up from Susan Jefferds. So youare joining a very esteemed group of women
authors in conquering your fear and transformingyour life. So I'm very excited for
you. Donna. Thank you,thank you very much. Well, thank
you for having me on. Iappreciate you, guys. I feel comfortable
being with you, and we haveto have you back on our podcast soon.
Spend a long time. I thinkthat this is um you know,
(31:00):
there's a lot of people that thatwatch our show, I mean all twelve
of them, and but a lotof but what I and I'm joking.
I know somebody just came to ourchurch because they heard Robert on your program,
Kelly, Kelly Roberts, there yougo. But all honestly, there
(31:25):
are a lot of people out therethat are afraid of what's the first step?
What do I do? And it'sobvious that when you see other people
like yourself who have said I'm goingto feel the fear and do it anyways,
I'm going to go off and sayyes, and I'm going to,
you know, attempt to get outof my comfort zone. And when you
(31:47):
do that, you can be amazedat the beauty and the pride you can
feel about changing your life. Youknow, so I applaud you. You
can be fair too. I thinkwe all have it in us to be
we do fearless womanly. Yeah,we're man man do Yep. It's gotta
(32:07):
be fearless, fearless. It justgotta be fearless, Donna. And if
people go out there and buy yourbook, I hope they do. There's
a wonderful quote on the back,yes from a woman sitting next to you.
H pretty lady. What I knowit in a book? I mean
a book cover, I mean aparagraph on a book. You've done,
(32:28):
You've done, Donna. We loveyou, Thank you so much for joining
us. Where can people follow you? Where can they find you? On
Instagram? Were they gonna find me? Yes? They can find me.
Uh. I have a website thatI actually just reactivated. It's actually a
nice website I just have visited sincewe started the church. But it's my
name, Donna Schuler Um, DonnaSchuler dot com, Donna Schuler dot com.
(32:50):
It's Healthy Family, Happy Life dotcom. But Donna Schueler dot com
will get you there too. Loveit, love it. Thank you,
Donna. Thank you for joining uson another episode of It Happened. See
you next time. Thank you please, sir, I sure well. Thanks,
thanks for love you to see youguys soon, see you real soon, ye,
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