December 28, 2023 • 46 mins
John Elway joined "Grit Happens" in a special live stream at this year’s Kind Vibe Event. Glenn Stearns and John Elway get a chance to talk to the attendees and answer questions. You will love their candid responses. John Elway even signed an old school Bronco’s Jersey for one of his biggest fans.
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Hi, I'm Mindy Stern and thisis Great Happens. On this show,
we engage in cannon conversations with someof the most successful people in every field
and from every walk of life,all with the common thread of grit and
the common goal of not just surviving, but and we hope this show helps
you feel informed, energized, andespecially inspired. So let's get started.
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This is it Happens. And herewe are with another episode of Great Happens.
It's so good to be back instudio. We continue our series on
Integrity, the launch of Glenn's bookand some of the wonderful characters throughout his
lives that have been a big impact, and some are even in the story,
some of even endorsed the story.Today we have someone really needs no
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introduction, John, I mean,if they don't know who you are,
they've been living under a rock.But our dear friend and uh superhero in
the sports world, mister John Elway, Yeah, I haven't heard that kind
of introing a long time. Ikind of like it. You know,
come on, doesn't your wife dothat every day when you get Yeah,
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I can't wait to get me there. That's right, that's Mandy here.
He comes out of the bathroom,coming fire, underdog and doctors. He's
getting another doctor to his name.Now, I don't know about you,
but my wife she does what theywe call the slow play. Right.
Oh, yeah, you're get inbed, they get out there, they're
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taking off their makeup and they're justwaiting to hope you fall asleep. Yeah,
that takes me about eight minutes.And so that he shows up.
I don't know how. She musthave a time pretty well because exactly remember
when she comes to bed. Areyou saying they've learned that very well?
Anyway we digress. Yes, yes, so hey obviously, and honestly,
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I appreciate you for for many things, our friendship number one, but for
you know, I did that littleshow and had a lot of positive feedback.
I was absolutely flattered by it,and so they said, I write
the book. So I kind ofyou know, three years, well actually
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forty years, people have been tellingher. She's had so many stories over
the years, and I'm sure youheard almost all of that in the book.
There's there might be a couple thereof you where you guys have had
some fun together. You guys hada lot of wisdom, a lot of
late nights, a lot of finalfinals where you guys had a lot of
great philosophical talks about life in theworld. And but but to your point,
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I mean, to that point isyou know, when you boil it
down and you start to think what'simportant in your life and then you want
to put it down. In mycase, it's more about I say it
kind of like that, like leadingwith my flaws, meaning you know,
I'm not perfect, and I likepeople maybe that are out there to realize,
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you know, you want to achievesomething in life. You know,
I don't know anybody that just hasjust got it all going on and it
just happens. It doesn't happen thatway. It's hard fricking work, man.
It is hard, you know,and I don't think people realize how
hard it is. And plus inthat they just see the positive and everything
that's happened good rather than all thedown times that you had too, right,
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because to enjoy the good times,you have to have some, you
know, some downtimes. There's alot of downtimes going through that. And
that's why it's you know, life'sa heck of a battle. No matter
what you do, it's a heckof a battle, and there's ups and
downs with everything. You just hopethat you have more ups than you do
downs, but you have to beable to pick yourself up and you know,
wipe yourself off and say listen,I you know we're gonna go back
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at this again. Obviously in theworld of sports, you know, we're
excuse me, we're testing week toweek and so you know, one week
can go out and have a greatgame and the next week you you know,
you struggle a little bit and don'tplay nearly as well. So you
know that football is, you know, one game a week, and each
game is so important. So thoseups and downs, and you know,
overall, I think is where youcan't look at the big picture and say,
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okay, was it successful or notas a season, as a career,
as a life. You look atthe big picture. But in that
picture, you know, as yousaid, Glenn as if you've experienced too,
is that there's a tremendous amount ofups, but there's also a tremendous
amount of downs. And it's it'sthe ones that can pick themselves up during
the down and during the down periodsthat can continue to come back and be
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successful. Exactly, I think aboutyour career, and you know, you
look at let's not go week theweek, Let's look at a career,
right you you know, you rangthe bell, so to speak, hit
the I always say, it's nothow you start, it's how you finished.
But you won the last two superBowls of your career and offrough it
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in the sunset. But what yougot to remember is you lost the first
three that you went to, right, And people, you know, you
know, the younger people don't realize, Hey, John Elway won the last
two super Bowls. No, buthow did it feel to lose three in
a row? Right? You know? Right, that's the pain. And
that's the thing is those were earlyin my career. I went to my
first Super Bowl in my fourth year, and so my fourth, fifth,
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and seventh, fourth, fifth,and seventh years, so we went.
We went to Super Bowl three outof four years, and really the first
time we played the Giants in Pasadenaand we were aheaded at halftime ten to
nine. We had made the longestfield goal in Super Bowl history. Then
we missed the shortest field goal inSuper Bowl history. Right before halftime.
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We had first goal on the oneyard line and didn't get any points out
of it. So went in thatone at ten to nine at halftime,
and then the Giants got really hot. Phil Simms was like nineteen out of
twenty two for the game, wasyou know, the MVP of the game
and really played well that second halfand we ended up getting beat thirty nine
to twenty in that one. Andthe next year, not to you remember
that we were playing the Redskins andwe're up ten to nothing after the first
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quarter Doug Williams, Doug Williams,and then nineteen plays later we were down
thirty five to ten. So youknow, that was a very disappointing.
We missed a year. In thenineteen eighty nine we went against the forty
nine ers and they really had athey had a great football team, and
so they were much better than usand we were. We got to beat
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fifty five to ten, and thatwas nineteen eighty nine. And so,
you know, you talk about asgreat as the Super Bowl wins are,
there's not a more disappointing loss becauseonce you know there's two teams left,
and when you're in the Super Bowland the winners are the world champs and
the other you know, the loserkind of just goes back with the rest
of everybody, but everyone forgets howmany wins they got to get there.
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So you know, it's like it'sso quickly you're defined by a loss,
but it's also paving the way towardsthe celebration of a great success to come.
And I think those losses are learnedlearns. The losss aren't. And
I say this all the time,as Joe Montana won four, you know,
won four super Bowls, never lostone, and I said, well,
he doesn't appreciate him those two winsthat I had nearly as much as
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I do as I do, justbecause of the fact that he never lost
one and never felt how painful thosethose losses are. So you know.
And then after that third Super Bowlwas eight years before we went back,
and so you know, and thenfinally my fifteenth year and sixteenth year we
got back there we're able to winit. We went into the Super Bowl
thirty two, which is my fifteenthyear, the first one we won,
and we were fourteen point underdogs tothe Packers and they were the defending champs
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and had won it the year before, so you know, heavy underdogs.
It was funny. I remember callingmy mom after we had beat Pittsburgh and
Pittsburgh and we were on the airplaneand I called my mom and I said,
hey, mom, we get achance to go back to the super
Bowl. And there's like a longpause and she goes, do we really
have to go back to the superBowl? But you know, Davis had
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a great game. We were ableto run the football. They were a
really good football team. But thatwe ran the football, we're able to
get over the hump and and winthat game. And it was you know,
there was other than my kids beingborn, There wasn't a single moment
in my life that I was moreand more happy, uh you know,
and really a feeling of accomplishment tobe able to after fifteen years, to
get over that hump, because therewas a lot of talk after those first
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three Super Bowls that we'd never getback and we can't we can't win the
big game and dadad out so youhave to file. You know, you
find all that negative press throughout thewhole way, but you know, we're
able to keep our nose down andkeep focused on what the goal was,
and that was that was the winthe World Championship, And thank god,
we're able to get it done twice. You know, I when I when
I think about that game, youknow, it was what was the saying
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when when when one for win?This for John or I guess one's for
John? Just one for John afterwe'd wanted our owners said that, which
was a great feeling. Yeah,and you know, you think about how
revered you know you were and stillare and I still are. But my
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point is it's not about and it'snot about giving you a big head and
you and I've spent a lot oftime on this. It's about, Uh,
it feels good to be to havethat kind of respect and it's earned
right, it's not given. Andthe fact that you were very good to
people and fair and level headed,and you know, you know, we
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we've talked about different things. AndI asked you before when when we've been
just alone and sitting there house finalsand I wouldn't bring that up, but
yeah, but how I'd say,you know, you've been sacked four five
times in a row, and likewhat do you do in the huddle?
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Right? Like what do you sayto these guys to fire them up?
Are you yelling at him? Orwhat are you doing? Uh? One,
don't you give the answer to whatwe do. Yeah, you know
what I Thursday nights was our nightout with the offensive line every every week,
and so I take them out everyThursday. So I was able to
be able to spend some quality timewith those guys. But you know,
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my I was not on a screamerand a holler and a yeller. I
was just, you know, acompetitor, and I knew that. You
know, every time we got onthe field, everybody was doing the best
they can. But when I waswhen we got off to a tough start
and I got hit maybe five orsix times in the first couple of series
and drop backs and sacked a coupleof times, and we'd have a TV
time out and I'd just get inthere and instead of hollering and a scream
and I'd just say, Okay,are you guys mad at me? If
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you guys are mad at me,please tell me why you're mad at me,
and I promise you I will apologizebecause if I offended you guys in
any way, I did not meanto do that. So if if you
are mad at me, just tellme, tell me right now. Because
we actually got a way to keepme upright. So I can get the
ball downfield a little bit. Andyou know what, and that's true on
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a sign of leadership, right becausethey already know that they let you down.
You don't have to tell them right, right, they know they feel
bad enough and so by you kindof when using levit humor and a little
humor, they say, well,you know this guy, we like him,
We're gonna we want to defend himmore, you know what I mean,
you don't have the same Yeah,And relationships are so important. I
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think those are the most important thing. And you know, leadership comes in
so many different forms, right.Everybody has their own way to lead and
how they get the respect. Butultimately a leader does get that respect.
And when when somebody does talk andhow you talk to them and you talked
with respect, I think you getthe respect back and they understand that.
Now, different guys, you know, take coaching different ways and hear different
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things and learn different ways. Butfor the most part, it was my
philosophy that you know what, I'mgoing to be their friend. And I
kind of did it by how Iworked, and so I did it by
example, and to me that wasthe most important thing is I didn't ever
want them because they everybody always putsthe quarterback on a pedal. So I
will fighting my whole life to getoff that pedestal and let them know I'm
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just a cog in the machine andeverybody else, everybody has their job to
do in the machine, especially inthe game of football when you have to
have eleven guys go in the samedirection, that I was just a cog
in that machine and that I wasnot any more important than anybody else on
that football team. And so Idid that by how I worked in the
off season, how I worked inthe weight room, how I worked on
the practice field, And so thatset that for me. It's set that
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example to whereas if I would gainthat respect because I had to do more
than anybody else did, and ifI didn't, I never took the shortcuts
and never wanted, you know,anything given to me. So that to
me is how you can lead,is get the respect of the people around
you, knowing that you're working justas hard as they are. John,
I have a question on that note. You know you talk about being a
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leader. Is there a leader inyour life who left a significant impact of
how they led that you followed anexample or who are the greatest leaders you've
had that you feel impacted your lifein the most significant I think the one
thing that I had with my parents, I mean, both my mom and
dad were you know, they wereboth my idols, and they were great
parents. I loved them both.My dad was a football coach, and
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so therefore, obviously, you know, and as a football coach are not
around a lot because they're working andspend a lot of time in the office
and the film and those type ofthings. So I didn't have He was
gone a lot when I was younger, and so I knew the way that,
you know, for me to gethis attention was to be pretty good
in sports and I and I plusplus I loved it and I love to
compete. So you know, numberone was my dad and if if if
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I made him proud of me,that's all that I needed. I didn't
I didn't really care what anybody elsesaid. And you know, when I
was in high school, you know, on Friday nights, everybody after the
football games go to the Shaky's Pizzaparlor, and you know, I'd go
home and download my dad for abouta half hour before after the games that
he could come see and then thenI'd go to the Shakey's Pizza after that.
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But he was a guy that wasa guy that was always you know,
my IDL guy I looked up toand how you know, he was
the one that molded me into theplayer that I was, and so you
know, he'd be the number oneguy. You know, as far as
a quarterback, my favorite was RogerStaubach. You know, I like the
way that he played the game andI liked the fact that you know,
he was a military guy that hadcome out of military. He was got
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a late start because of his commitmentto the Naval Academy and I think he
started his career when he was twentyeight years old. And you know,
it was a guy that moved aroundand you know, my style of play
was probably like his, or youknow, moved around quite a bit,
made some big plays outside the pocket. So and plus the way he lived
his life off the field and therole mall he was off the field.
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So those are the two guys thatwere probably the biggest influence. Now,
my mom doesn't get enough credit becauseshe was the one that was taking me
to practice all the time. Atthe good knee. It was on the
on the table all the time andwas at all the football, all my
games, all my any sport,baseball. I played baseball also, So
she was always the one that wastheir support when my dad couldn't be so
there. I was very, verylucky to have two great role models as
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as parents. Well, when Ithink of why we're friends, it's a
lot to do with it's not aboutyour career, it's your the way you
live your life. And I've alwayslooked up to you because you have been
very consistent in on and off right. You're a very humble person for someone
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who has such great a great success, and I'm attracted to people that have
great success. And I don't meanit's you know, in any Glenn never
knew anything about football, but youknow that I'm not much. But I
like people that will try their bestwhatever it is right and and do their
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best and and so in thinking aboutyou know again you could be the best
shoes shine guy, I want toknow why you do it and how you
do it right and and so andit's not again about you know, having
a being the best athlete. Itwas you know, the what you did
again in your community. Back tothe part on and off the field and
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how people have looked up to you, and how you've handled your life in
certain ways, and so I andyour consistency. Right you're in Denver,
you stayed in Denver the whole time. You didn't go for the l trade
for this much more money. Youfigured it out right. It's communication,
and so there's so many little thingsthat meant that I look and I admire
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in you in that. And thenyou've gone on to do very similar,
great successful things and you're you know, auto clubs or leadership dealerships, thank
you and other things like that,and you look at it and you go
okay, and you're happy. There'sone story that I love that I tell
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a lot, and I believe maybeit's it's in here I don't remember,
but is when you said you wereplaying golf. No, you're gonna tell
the story. I love it becauseit tells how humble the guy is.
You're sitting there playing golf with myvice president, Dan Clayle, and he's
a little frustrated because he's you guysare both scratch golfers, but these other
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guys are either beating you at thepoint or doing something. And you walk
over to Dan and what do youtell him? Yeah, I'm forgetting this
one, Glad. I can't rememberthis one. You tell me this one.
I can't. Yeah, I'll tellyou. Everybody wants to see the
president. Yeah, it happened toyou. And right when it happened,
I think you told me about itand you said, yeah. Dan is
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frustrated and he's kind of mumbling underhis breath and he's you know, when
you walk over, you said,put my arm around him. I said,
what's wrong, Dan? And Dansays, you know, everybody wants
to say they beat the vice presidentat golf. And you reach over,
you got your arm around him.He said, Dan, let's face it,
we're both has bins, you know. I mean that's right. Yeah,
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And it's like make fun of it. Come on, man, you
know, and every dog has hisday, and you're never going to be
on top forever, right, youknow. And the thing is you're right,
and when you are in that pedalstill, people do want to beat
And I you know, I feltthat throughout my you know, playing golf
and when you play, because theywant to run home and tell their friends
at the beach. And so Imean that that brings out the competitive side
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of everybody, especially because to me, you have to be if you're not
competitive, very difficult to be realsuccessful because that's what makes that's what drives
you to be successful and be thebest whatever you do is the competitive nature.
And you know, obviously to bea president of the United States you
have to be awful competitive to getto that level. And politic and what
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he did and like you did say, we are getting older and you know
what, we're not going to winevery time. And uh, you know,
especially in golf, because the harderyou try and golf, the worst
it gets, the worst you getthe harder. But you know, I
was I'd say this Gland is thething is uh, you know when we
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talk about you know, people andpersonalities, and you know, people put
athletes and celebrities and you know,they put them on a pedestal. And
you know, like I've said,I I've worked my whole life trying to
get off that pedestal to have peoplerealize that, you know what, just
because what I do is on TVand everybody else you know, sees you
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on TV, that they put youon that pedestal. But ultimately, in
everybody's life, no matter what youdo whether it's a mortgage mortgage business,
then like you've been success so successfulthat and all your other entrepreneurial things that
you've done, is that you youworked, you worked your tail off to
get there, and you're not You'rejust great at what you do. And
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that doesn't make me any better thananybody else. It just makes me good
at what I do. And Ithink that that's the thing that I've always
had as a mindset is that youknow what I respect, as you said,
I respect anybody that is great atwhat they do, no matter what
that is. And and not necessarilydo they have to be great at it,
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but if they work hard at itand and they're focused on what they
do, and you know, it'sa goal of them to you know,
you know, for me as aas a guy doing as a father is
to be able to support your family. That's the number one you know,
a thing that we all do inour lives is to be able to support
our families. And you know,it's funny, I'll digress a little bit.
And I was asking my dad onetime, and my mom was mad
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at him because you know, hedidn't come home, and you know,
he was this and this is probably. You know, when I was thirty
five forty years old, I thinkit was right after I retired, and
I said, Dad, I said, you know, why don't you ever
just come home? And you know, first of all, he said,
why don't you call he goes,Johnny says, I tried that, he
said, So I decided I wasjust going to get in trouble once and
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that's when I got when I gothome. But number two, he says,
Johnny said, I want you toI want you to this and this
is not something that don't take itlittally, he says, But my job
was number one and my family wasnumber two. I said, well,
why is that? He says,Because, john he says, because I
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if A didn't have a job,I wouldn't be able to take care of
my family. And that's why Ihad to commit to my job so I
could support my family. And that'swhy I had to make that commitment as
a priority that I had to havea job. And you know, football
coaches get fired all the time,and so it was so important for him
to do the best job that hecould to make a living, to be
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able to support the family. Andso, you know, because you'll always
say, well, family's number one. Yet naturally it is right, but
that's why your has to be numberone too, and they're really one in
one a because if you don't havea job, then you really can't take
care of your main priority and thatyour family. That goes back. I
just want to digress just on anothernote, and that boils down to a
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character, you know, of somethinghaving character and commitment, and there's that
lies on a lot of the childers, of a lot of men and women
that do have to put their jobsso they can support their family. It's
very hard to live without income.And I want to touch on that because
you talk about the character and andyou know and your family and what you
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you had, something very similar happenedto you that happened to me, and
that is you know, you are, you know, a big presence in
the world of sports. I didfairly well in the world of business and
and and both in community, inmy community, your community. And what
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happened to me, very similar toyou was I had a a talk with
my son and he came to meone day and we were talking about something.
He says, do you understand howhard it is to live in your
shadow? And there's a lot ofpeople that you and I both know that
have had some children that are havestruggled living in their parents' shadow, their
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dad or mom's shadow or whatever.And you had a very healthy kind of
look at that, as I feelI did as well. Where I sat
with my son, I said,listen, I don't want you to go
on and have to run a mortgagecompany and be the best at that.
I've never once asked you that Iwant you to be happy. Let's think
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of that. You could be thebest teacher, you could be a whatever
you want to be. But ifI ever said I'd be disappointed if you
didn't run my company. And Iremember when your son was put on the
front page of the Colorado newspaper forbeing in the university there in Arizona,
right, And I remember your statementbecause I was thinking I'd spent the night
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that night, and you were veryfrustrated, like why do they want to
put that pressure on him? Youknow, like you weren't out there going
yay, look at this. You'resaying, you know it's unnecessary, right,
and and unfortunately that you know,people look at that too. And
I think my son, you know, he played football and he was a
pretty good football player, and when, as you said, went to Arizona
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State on a football scholarship. Butyou know, I think, you know,
on an eighteen nineteen year old kid, that's a heck of a lot
of pressure that you know, youhave because they know who the dad is
and I and I, you know, I really never understood that because I
never had that. But I thinkas I got older, I understood that
a little bit. And you know, and my son's now thirty three years
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old, and you know, hesays today, you know, tells me
all the time. He says,you know, Dad, I wish I
was just a little bit more grownup at that time. But at eighteen,
it's hard to be that grown upto be in that situation. So,
you know, it's unfortunate that societyputs that pressure on siblings, and
then sometimes the siblings feel it,and there's no doubt they you know,
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they feel it. The kids feelit. So it's an unfortunate situation,
and you know, it's it's hard, but you're right in the fact that
I just I just want my kidsto be happy and be successful and do
what they enjoy doing and enjoy theirlife and I'm very fortunate. I've got
four beautiful kids and they're all fourmarried with beautiful mates, and so you
know, it's that to me isas much a source of pride as anything
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I ever did on the football field. Yeah, you know, I want
I want to touch on something realquick because you both, you guys are
friends for reasons. You've attracted oneanother, and you have similar mindsets.
And you know, the book iscalled Integrity, and grit is at the
center of integrity. And I'd loveto know in your words, and when
you look at Glenn and see whatyou admire about him and what he admires
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about you in your mind is whatis the definition for you of integrity?
What does that mean when someone possessesit? And can they have just a
little bit or is it all ornone? What's your you know, I
think integrity comes with trust. Ifyou have integrity, people will trust you
and they'll believe in what you sayand they'll believe in what you do.
And I think that you know,and it's great, you know, I've
never realized that grit's in the middleof the word integrity. That's what I
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love about the title is the factthat that's you know, highlighted there because
it does take grit to be successful, and you have to be able to
fight through the negative things that we'vetalked about, because there's ups and downs.
But integrity is something that when tobe successful, especially in the business
world, Glenn, like you areas well as football with players have to
your teammates have to trust you andthey have to believe in what you're telling
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them is the truth. And thatalso leads into the leadership piece of it
too. So integrity is the basisin my opinion, of any person that's
been successful in what they've done,because obviously you never get there by yourself.
You know, you have so manypieces to the puzzle and there's so
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many people that help you get there, and you know, you hope you
raise all boats on the way therethat everybody else is able to have the
success that you have too, asyou know, as a leader in a
company or leader on a football team, whatever it may be, that you
have that basis to where they canlook at you and they believe in what
you say, and that's how youget the best out of them. And
then you also have the you're givingthem the opportunity to be the best that
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they can be. And I thinkthat that's all you know, you as
a leader can do and and isprovide you're you know, the people that
work for you, your employees thatwork there, and but also make them
a piece of that and thrilled thatthey're there and want to come to work
every day. Well, when youcut corners, when you don't keep your
word, when you think more aboutyourself than others, and you treat others
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in a way that you know youyou use them to get ahead, you
build the shakiest foundation you could everbuild in any kind of and people you
can mask it. You can dowhatever you think you're doing to be clever,
and it will come back. Andwhen the time that you need people,
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they will not be there. Butwhen you care more about other people
and you understand that that your wordis your bond, and and that you
also live a life that you're notjust thinking you're very when you're a generous
human being, you know, andthen the world shakes because it always does.
Right, people are there to catchyou. And again I don't mean
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they're going to write a check foryou, right, They're just there to
have a shoulder or listen or giveyou some advice, right, It's not
you know, it's not like,hey, I want to be there so
then I can use this person lateron. No, it's it's that's the
complete opposite, and people can seethrough it. When you're authentic and you
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truly care, then the world seemsto work out because you're We all go
through the ups and the downs nomatter what. And by the way,
it doesn't mean business, It canmean relationships. It can mean so many
different things because we need people inour dark times and nobody gets out of
it without having some dark times.And when that comes, you know,
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when you've planted seeds, they're eitherseeds where people surround you or people just
watch it fall, you know.Right, Yeah, that's that's life,
you know, Glenna, that's youknow. That's what I admire so much
about you is the fact of whatyou've done in your business career, But
even more importantly is the relationships thatyou created. I think that you know,
we come from different backgrounds, wecome from different businesses, and you
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know, the relationship that we've hadhas been I have better conversations with you
than I've ever had with anybody elsebecause we come from such different backgrounds that
we have so much to talk abouta lot of times when you're around football
players all the time and da dada dah, you know, you don't
have any different stories or anything ortalk about. Obviously the background, which
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you know, the closer you areto them, the more you know about
them. But I think that youknow your background of what you've done,
what you bought through your whole life, and the things that you've been through
to be able to get to whereyou are is tremendous. And that's why
I think, my you know,the reason why I'm so you know,
connected with you as well as youknow, respect you so much is because
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of the fact of the and thebreadth of knowledge that you have. And
it's really in people. And youknow, obviously building the businesses that you've
built, you've got great people thathave worked for you and they're still with
you. And I think that thatis a true true tale of you know
what you're all about and you know, and you know I always say this
too, is that you know whentime, when the time comes and you
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know we're all going to leave thisearth, you know, it doesn't matter,
it doesn't The most important thing iswhen we leave is you know,
not necessarily what we did, butthe relationships we had while we're here,
because that's what people are going toremember. They're not going to remember how
much money you had. They mayremember, you know, you want a
couple of Super Bowls and you ranSterns and now you're a new company and
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kind that they'll remember that, butthey'll you know, what they'll talk about
is they're going to talk about whattype of person you were. And that's
to me is the most important legaciesthat you can leave is that people actually
enjoyed being around you. Yeah.No, I absolutely appreciate that. That's
why you're one of my closest friends. John I. I. I respect
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you equally for that you had.You were up for an award what was
the name of that, uh,the one that's in hair self Hope ball
and there was all these famous celebritiesand you know them all as well,
and you had asked me and Minnito present that to you at this big,
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huge ball. And I was verytouched by that because again, it
showed me your character because all thesepeople at this big ball, they don't
know who Minny and I are.And you could have picked some big celebrity
to kind of endorse look at whoI am because I know this big celebrity,
right, But that wasn't what youwere about. You said, I
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want my friend to do it,you know, And it made me,
It touched me again because it showedthe depth of what you're about, you
know, as as I you know, you you had your your daughter talk
to you know, induct you intothe Hall of Fame. You didn't have
some big football guy, right,you know, and so it shows your
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character and you know, those thingsare again when you take a big step
back and you really look at exactlywhat you're saying. And I hope people
at home get this that life isabout relationships. It's not about look at
me and look at you know,my stuff, this stuff. It's look
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at the depth of the people I'msurrounded with, right right, that's it,
that's right now. How many friendsdo you have? And you know,
how many close friends do you have? You know, obviously it's a
busy world and it's really hard toshare too much time with too many people.
But it's like, you know,for instance, two days ago,
I had my high school receiver outhere and we played two rounds of golf
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and so you know, those typeof things. I haven't lost my I
went to La this week. Myhigh school baseball coach went into the La
City c IF Hall of Fame,and so went out there to his hall
of fame, which was which wasgreat. It was overdue and he was
you know, obviously when you talkabout that level high school coaches have what
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an impact they have on one's life. And he had a huge impact.
But those are the type of thingsthat you know, are the most important
thing to me. Yeah, Granted, fame is good. Fame is not
nearly what everybody thinks it is,as you know, and so it can
be very flighting and can be veryshallow. And I think that having experienced
that, that's why I really lookat depth and relationships and really get to
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know people and people that you cantrust. And again goes back to the
same thing in the name of thebook, that have integrity. So I'll
touch on three famous things and thenand bring it and tie it back into
what you just said. You areknown for three famous plays right when you
were in college Stanford, the bandplay the Drive No, the band the
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band ran Yes, and then theDrive of course right, and then the
helicopter. Helicopter, Helicopah. Yeah, And so I mean, let's face
it, right, in any sport, you know, if you can.
I mean, look at frank OHarris right, immaculate reception. He's got
one. You got three, man, I mean, that's that's pretty damn
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good. And uh two good,one bad true true. But but still,
you know when you look at thatin a career, and and you
know, I remember when there wasa gentleman that made that bronze statue of
the helicopter, and you had itat your bar and you were telling the
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story about what happened and how youwere there and you you're two inch vertical
and all you know, the wholestory behind the helicopter. And then you
said, Glenn, I want togive you this bron that touched me so
much. I have that in myoffice. It's a very important part of
my life. And I really again, it speaks to a friendship and it
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means very very to me. Well, you've been so great to us,
and uh, you know, it'sI'm lucky to have friends like you too,
that's for darn sure. I mean, it's uh, you know,
this life is you know, it'sbeen great I always say this too.
And here's the other thing about lifeis, you know, I look at
it and you know, I'm abeliever in God and Jesus and everything,
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and you know, whether there's reincarnationor not, you know who knows,
But I know my philosophy is,even if there is reincarnation, there is
zero chance my life is going tobe nearly as good the next time I
come back around, I'm going toget the most out of this one.
That's right. Well, it couldbe a dog. That'd be pretty awesome,
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belly all with the right family,right, I like the dog and
your family, mindy, if Icould come back, that'd be good.
Yeah. So I think of thepeopleeople that listen to this show, and
you know, it's again, it'susually a lot of people that you know
are listening because they want to getsome inspirational fully on leadership or on growing
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a business, or on going throughlife. You know, it doesn't have
to be about that, and youknow the stories right there. What the
common thread again is that you knowwhen you're kind, when you're when you
care, when you're fair, whenyou're not trying to have a win lose,
when you understand that that people aremore important than profits or or your
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own you know, you know,getting ahead, that life tends to then
at you know, treat you prettypretty good. And if you do it,
if you do it right, youknow, you have less of the
lows and more of the highs,but you're still you have the lows,
but there are people there for youat that time. And and so I
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hope people get that out of whatyou and I are talking about it.
John, you were so generous toprovide a quote for Glenn's book, which
I'll just read it real quick andyou can elaborate upon it. Glenn possesses
the tenacity and drive of the greatestathletes I've ever encountered. He's taken some
of the hardest hits life has dealtand always stays in the game. That's
your little buddy, I know.And you know what, and Mandy you
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know this as well as anybody,but he really has. And Glenn,
that's where you know, I admireyou so much. I mean, the
different stories that you've told me,especially back in eight o nine when it
seemed like the whole world was blownup for you, and the things that
when you were talking about that andthe things that you did when you know,
you were trying to be one ofthe lenders for certain people and you
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had to go and say, youknow, I don't don't drop me.
And then you know, you werethe guy that got on the airplane went
downstairs even though they told you,you know, we can't get a meeting
and you know they don't have time, we're going to go a different direction.
But you you know, got onan airplane and got there and went
in that building and sat down thereuntil they would meet with you. And
you know you came out of thatthing with shining colors. And so I
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mean, those are those are thelittle things that I think make people successful
like you are, Glenn. Andthe fact that you do those things and
you don't take no for an answerand you keep going and you keep trying,
and you know you know no isnot the correct answer. There isn't
a no, and be getting ofthe conversation for him. But those you
know, that's an example that Ithink of why you've been so successful.
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And I think you know the thingsthat you've done now that with the success
that you've had with your companies,but also you know the TV show you
did and you know Undercover Billionaire wasthat was that was what it was called,
right, Yeah, And I enjoyedwatching that too. But to be
able to do that put yourself thereand show how it can be done,
and I think that was a greatexample of what it takes and the ingenuity
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that you showed during that and howto get things done and keep taking those
steps. So that's why, youknow, I respect the hell out of
both you guys so much and anduh so fun always talk to you and
uh, you know hear those we'vehad. I know we're kind of rapping.
But I have one last little funnystory that I want to bring up,
just because you said about the hardesthits or whatever in there. You
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and I and Indian and Page wentto some big event and we were leaving
it and it was so crowded thatwe jumped into a cab and You're in
the back seat behind me, Mindy'sin the middle, and Pages on the
end. And when I get in, the guy's wearing a Pittsburgh Steeler jacket
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and I go quick, top threequarterbacks of all time, and he has
no idea You're in the back,and I'm thinking he's gonna you know,
mention some Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah,I'm gonna laugh, you know, and
go, huh, you know youdidn't pick this guy in the back.
And he goes top three quarterback numberone. I gotta say John La and
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we went, oh man, thatwas so minny. And I pick up
our phone and we we were startrecording, and I say, okay,
let's start over again, Top threequarterbacks. I got a same number one,
John Lway and then he go,man, I remember one time so
and so hit him so hard andMindy would turn the camera to you and
you go, oh that hurt.And then that where you comment everything and
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greatest Sam Snow Philadelphia taxi and uh, you know it's so wonderful and he's
like the cab rides for free.God just want a picture. You gave
him a very very nice tip.I remember it wasn't for free. And
you know, but we flew tosomewhere because we left that night and in
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the next morning, I get offthe plane and my phone is going there
was like five million hits on myFacebook from your vide you know, that
went viral and went everywhere and whata uh just you know, really cool
little thing. But but anyway,it was amazing. We won't go there
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for you. Great story. Yeah, we won't go to the other part
of that story. Thank you forforgiving me. Oh yeah, we are
so grateful you took the time outof your day. Thank you for joining
us before, after, or duringthe golf game. Whenever we can get
you. We love having you onboard. I appreciate you being part of
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this. The stories of Glenn Wright'sthere's some great ones. You know,
you've heard them all. You've heardall of them and then them and probably
there might be a few of thatyou do. But you know, I'm
just encouraging people to read the book, lencause you've done had such a great
life, Both of you together havehad such a great life. And the
things that you've done, the thingsyou've done for people, and the important
things that you've done that are just, you know, truly an inspiration.
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And I think that I'm glad thatyou know, I wrote a book too,
and writing a book as a heckof a lot of a lot of
work and a lot of time anda lot of memory jogging to try and
remember everything because there's a lot ofthings up there, so you have to,
you know, get that memory jogand it takes a lot of time.
But I think that you know,your book is going to do a
lot of good for a lot ofpeople. I think it'll be an inspiration
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for a lot of people because ofthe successes that you've had and the way
that you've done it. And uh, that's with putting people first and then
everything else falls in line after that. And so you know, congratulations on
your book and I'm sure it'll bea great one. Aside from you both
now being man of great character,you can both call yourself authors. There's
something you both both John and Glennhave done in common, is their authors.
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John, thank you so much forjoining us, God pleasure. Thank
you for having me on. Itwas great to see even though we got
to get together here soon. It'sgreat to see you on the on the
computer right here. And miss youguys a lot. And look forward to
the next time we get to getthat. We'll get it done soon and
hopefully it's got it definitely before wego on the hunting trip, that's for
sure. Yeah. Oh yeah,that or golfing. You know, if
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you need to get Caddy, Ihear he's he's no. That's another great
story. That's another great story.Is a fact? Can I have time
to tell that story? Well,well, yeah, we went. It
was like an American team against aFrench team over there. It was right
during the Ryder Cup and we wentover to Monaco. We're over in Monaco
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and I asked Glenn to be mycaddie and you would just you were just
getting done with chemo or but youhad a tube. Oh gosh, that
was right after I was like twentyeighteen, right after you had surgery,
just had his epiglottis removed. Sohe was right. And I'm like,
Glenn, don't you don't no way, you don't need to come and goes
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I'm absolutely coming. So this whenit comes down to grit, that's what
happened the part of this title.And I mean he had a tube and
he had to take medicine the wholetime, and morphic hard, but he
could and he could barely move around. He says, I need to sit
and I'm going to plan and Iwas like, I was terrified that he
was even there, but he wassaying, I'm coming and I'm I committed
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to it and so but you almostdidn't go. You can't remember you called
that time, You're like, no, no, we're not going to do
that to him. I'm not doingthat to my buddy. I'm not doing
that. What you said, whichagain shows your character, you said,
I'm not going. I said,what do you mean you go? If
my my caddy can't go, I'mnot going I go. John, You're
going, no I go? ThenI go it. Look, I'm going
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even if you don't go, I'llbe your caddy with with no salburtla I
know. I mean I could notblew it. And he felt you did
not feel well at all. Youdidn't feel good at all. It was
morphine. I lost your yeah,range finder anything, I'm the worst guy.
Yeah, he was so worried aboutthe range. I said, don't
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worry about the range, you knowfinder. And then we lost to cover
to my putter, and I'm like, we get done playing, I'm like,
where is Glenn? And I'm worriedabout where Glenn go. Next thing,
I know, he comes out ofthe pro shot with a new putter
cover for my for my butter becausehe lost the butter cover, and I'm
like, you're crazy. Your nextwell, and then of course I've got
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a great picture. Maybe we'll shareit. I don't know, but you
shared your martini and my let's gethim, let's get him hammered. I
know, I know, but thatwas a lot you talk about, you
talk about, you know, whenthere's anything that called grit, that was
grit that you went above and beyond. There's anything up friendship. You were
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ready to give up that. Andyeah, I still kind of feel bad
we went because I know you didn'tfeel well. Hey, my life it's
about stories coming here, so pleasedownload or buy the book. We appreciate
John, thank you for coming ontoday. You are just a gem.
Love to Paige in the family andthe pups. We love to thank you
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you too, and we'll hope toget together soon for sure. All right,
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This is it Happens. And herewe are with another episode of Great Happens.
It's so good to be back instudio. We continue our series on
Integrity, the launch of Glenn's bookand some of the wonderful characters throughout his
lives that have been a big impact, and some are even in the story,
some of even endorsed the story.Today we have someone really needs no
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introduction, John, I mean,if they don't know who you are,
they've been living under a rock.But our dear friend and uh superhero in
the sports world, mister John Elway, Yeah, I haven't heard that kind
of introing a long time. Ikind of like it. You know,
come on, doesn't your wife dothat every day when you get Yeah,
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I can't wait to get me there. That's right, that's Mandy here.
He comes out of the bathroom,coming fire, underdog and doctors. He's
getting another doctor to his name.Now, I don't know about you,
but my wife she does what theywe call the slow play. Right.
Oh, yeah, you're get inbed, they get out there, they're
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taking off their makeup and they're justwaiting to hope you fall asleep. Yeah,
that takes me about eight minutes.And so that he shows up.
I don't know how. She musthave a time pretty well because exactly remember
when she comes to bed. Areyou saying they've learned that very well?
Anyway we digress. Yes, yes, so hey obviously, and honestly,
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I appreciate you for for many things, our friendship number one, but for
you know, I did that littleshow and had a lot of positive feedback.
I was absolutely flattered by it,and so they said, I write
the book. So I kind ofyou know, three years, well actually
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forty years, people have been tellingher. She's had so many stories over
the years, and I'm sure youheard almost all of that in the book.
There's there might be a couple thereof you where you guys have had
some fun together. You guys hada lot of wisdom, a lot of
late nights, a lot of finalfinals where you guys had a lot of
great philosophical talks about life in theworld. And but but to your point,
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I mean, to that point isyou know, when you boil it
down and you start to think what'simportant in your life and then you want
to put it down. In mycase, it's more about I say it
kind of like that, like leadingwith my flaws, meaning you know,
I'm not perfect, and I likepeople maybe that are out there to realize,
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you know, you want to achievesomething in life. You know,
I don't know anybody that just hasjust got it all going on and it
just happens. It doesn't happen thatway. It's hard fricking work, man.
It is hard, you know,and I don't think people realize how
hard it is. And plus inthat they just see the positive and everything
that's happened good rather than all thedown times that you had too, right,
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because to enjoy the good times,you have to have some, you
know, some downtimes. There's alot of downtimes going through that. And
that's why it's you know, life'sa heck of a battle. No matter
what you do, it's a heckof a battle, and there's ups and
downs with everything. You just hopethat you have more ups than you do
downs, but you have to beable to pick yourself up and you know,
wipe yourself off and say listen,I you know we're gonna go back
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at this again. Obviously in theworld of sports, you know, we're
excuse me, we're testing week toweek and so you know, one week
can go out and have a greatgame and the next week you you know,
you struggle a little bit and don'tplay nearly as well. So you
know that football is, you know, one game a week, and each
game is so important. So thoseups and downs, and you know,
overall, I think is where youcan't look at the big picture and say,
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okay, was it successful or notas a season, as a career,
as a life. You look atthe big picture. But in that
picture, you know, as yousaid, Glenn as if you've experienced too,
is that there's a tremendous amount ofups, but there's also a tremendous
amount of downs. And it's it'sthe ones that can pick themselves up during
the down and during the down periodsthat can continue to come back and be
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successful. Exactly, I think aboutyour career, and you know, you
look at let's not go week theweek, Let's look at a career,
right you you know, you rangthe bell, so to speak, hit
the I always say, it's nothow you start, it's how you finished.
But you won the last two superBowls of your career and offrough it
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in the sunset. But what yougot to remember is you lost the first
three that you went to, right, And people, you know, you
know, the younger people don't realize, Hey, John Elway won the last
two super Bowls. No, buthow did it feel to lose three in
a row? Right? You know? Right, that's the pain. And
that's the thing is those were earlyin my career. I went to my
first Super Bowl in my fourth year, and so my fourth, fifth,
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and seventh, fourth, fifth,and seventh years, so we went.
We went to Super Bowl three outof four years, and really the first
time we played the Giants in Pasadenaand we were aheaded at halftime ten to
nine. We had made the longestfield goal in Super Bowl history. Then
we missed the shortest field goal inSuper Bowl history. Right before halftime.
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We had first goal on the oneyard line and didn't get any points out
of it. So went in thatone at ten to nine at halftime,
and then the Giants got really hot. Phil Simms was like nineteen out of
twenty two for the game, wasyou know, the MVP of the game
and really played well that second halfand we ended up getting beat thirty nine
to twenty in that one. Andthe next year, not to you remember
that we were playing the Redskins andwe're up ten to nothing after the first
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quarter Doug Williams, Doug Williams,and then nineteen plays later we were down
thirty five to ten. So youknow, that was a very disappointing.
We missed a year. In thenineteen eighty nine we went against the forty
nine ers and they really had athey had a great football team, and
so they were much better than usand we were. We got to beat
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fifty five to ten, and thatwas nineteen eighty nine. And so,
you know, you talk about asgreat as the Super Bowl wins are,
there's not a more disappointing loss becauseonce you know there's two teams left,
and when you're in the Super Bowland the winners are the world champs and
the other you know, the loserkind of just goes back with the rest
of everybody, but everyone forgets howmany wins they got to get there.
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So you know, it's like it'sso quickly you're defined by a loss,
but it's also paving the way towardsthe celebration of a great success to come.
And I think those losses are learnedlearns. The losss aren't. And
I say this all the time,as Joe Montana won four, you know,
won four super Bowls, never lostone, and I said, well,
he doesn't appreciate him those two winsthat I had nearly as much as
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I do as I do, justbecause of the fact that he never lost
one and never felt how painful thosethose losses are. So you know.
And then after that third Super Bowlwas eight years before we went back,
and so you know, and thenfinally my fifteenth year and sixteenth year we
got back there we're able to winit. We went into the Super Bowl
thirty two, which is my fifteenthyear, the first one we won,
and we were fourteen point underdogs tothe Packers and they were the defending champs
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and had won it the year before, so you know, heavy underdogs.
It was funny. I remember callingmy mom after we had beat Pittsburgh and
Pittsburgh and we were on the airplaneand I called my mom and I said,
hey, mom, we get achance to go back to the super
Bowl. And there's like a longpause and she goes, do we really
have to go back to the superBowl? But you know, Davis had
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a great game. We were ableto run the football. They were a
really good football team. But thatwe ran the football, we're able to
get over the hump and and winthat game. And it was you know,
there was other than my kids beingborn, There wasn't a single moment
in my life that I was moreand more happy, uh you know,
and really a feeling of accomplishment tobe able to after fifteen years, to
get over that hump, because therewas a lot of talk after those first
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three Super Bowls that we'd never getback and we can't we can't win the
big game and dadad out so youhave to file. You know, you
find all that negative press throughout thewhole way, but you know, we're
able to keep our nose down andkeep focused on what the goal was,
and that was that was the winthe World Championship, And thank god,
we're able to get it done twice. You know, I when I when
I think about that game, youknow, it was what was the saying
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when when when one for win?This for John or I guess one's for
John? Just one for John afterwe'd wanted our owners said that, which
was a great feeling. Yeah,and you know, you think about how
revered you know you were and stillare and I still are. But my
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point is it's not about and it'snot about giving you a big head and
you and I've spent a lot oftime on this. It's about, Uh,
it feels good to be to havethat kind of respect and it's earned
right, it's not given. Andthe fact that you were very good to
people and fair and level headed,and you know, you know, we
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we've talked about different things. AndI asked you before when when we've been
just alone and sitting there house finalsand I wouldn't bring that up, but
yeah, but how I'd say,you know, you've been sacked four five
times in a row, and likewhat do you do in the huddle?
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Right? Like what do you sayto these guys to fire them up?
Are you yelling at him? Orwhat are you doing? Uh? One,
don't you give the answer to whatwe do. Yeah, you know
what I Thursday nights was our nightout with the offensive line every every week,
and so I take them out everyThursday. So I was able to
be able to spend some quality timewith those guys. But you know,
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my I was not on a screamerand a holler and a yeller. I
was just, you know, acompetitor, and I knew that. You
know, every time we got onthe field, everybody was doing the best
they can. But when I waswhen we got off to a tough start
and I got hit maybe five orsix times in the first couple of series
and drop backs and sacked a coupleof times, and we'd have a TV
time out and I'd just get inthere and instead of hollering and a scream
and I'd just say, Okay,are you guys mad at me? If
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you guys are mad at me,please tell me why you're mad at me,
and I promise you I will apologizebecause if I offended you guys in
any way, I did not meanto do that. So if if you
are mad at me, just tellme, tell me right now. Because
we actually got a way to keepme upright. So I can get the
ball downfield a little bit. Andyou know what, and that's true on
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a sign of leadership, right becausethey already know that they let you down.
You don't have to tell them right, right, they know they feel
bad enough and so by you kindof when using levit humor and a little
humor, they say, well,you know this guy, we like him,
We're gonna we want to defend himmore, you know what I mean,
you don't have the same Yeah,And relationships are so important. I
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think those are the most important thing. And you know, leadership comes in
so many different forms, right.Everybody has their own way to lead and
how they get the respect. Butultimately a leader does get that respect.
And when when somebody does talk andhow you talk to them and you talked
with respect, I think you getthe respect back and they understand that.
Now, different guys, you know, take coaching different ways and hear different
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things and learn different ways. Butfor the most part, it was my
philosophy that you know what, I'mgoing to be their friend. And I
kind of did it by how Iworked, and so I did it by
example, and to me that wasthe most important thing is I didn't ever
want them because they everybody always putsthe quarterback on a pedal. So I
will fighting my whole life to getoff that pedestal and let them know I'm
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just a cog in the machine andeverybody else, everybody has their job to
do in the machine, especially inthe game of football when you have to
have eleven guys go in the samedirection, that I was just a cog
in that machine and that I wasnot any more important than anybody else on
that football team. And so Idid that by how I worked in the
off season, how I worked inthe weight room, how I worked on
the practice field, And so thatset that for me. It's set that
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example to whereas if I would gainthat respect because I had to do more
than anybody else did, and ifI didn't, I never took the shortcuts
and never wanted, you know,anything given to me. So that to
me is how you can lead,is get the respect of the people around
you, knowing that you're working justas hard as they are. John,
I have a question on that note. You know you talk about being a
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leader. Is there a leader inyour life who left a significant impact of
how they led that you followed anexample or who are the greatest leaders you've
had that you feel impacted your lifein the most significant I think the one
thing that I had with my parents, I mean, both my mom and
dad were you know, they wereboth my idols, and they were great
parents. I loved them both.My dad was a football coach, and
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so therefore, obviously, you know, and as a football coach are not
around a lot because they're working andspend a lot of time in the office
and the film and those type ofthings. So I didn't have He was
gone a lot when I was younger, and so I knew the way that,
you know, for me to gethis attention was to be pretty good
in sports and I and I plusplus I loved it and I love to
compete. So you know, numberone was my dad and if if if
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I made him proud of me,that's all that I needed. I didn't
I didn't really care what anybody elsesaid. And you know, when I
was in high school, you know, on Friday nights, everybody after the
football games go to the Shaky's Pizzaparlor, and you know, I'd go
home and download my dad for abouta half hour before after the games that
he could come see and then thenI'd go to the Shakey's Pizza after that.
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But he was a guy that wasa guy that was always you know,
my IDL guy I looked up toand how you know, he was
the one that molded me into theplayer that I was, and so you
know, he'd be the number oneguy. You know, as far as
a quarterback, my favorite was RogerStaubach. You know, I like the
way that he played the game andI liked the fact that you know,
he was a military guy that hadcome out of military. He was got
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a late start because of his commitmentto the Naval Academy and I think he
started his career when he was twentyeight years old. And you know,
it was a guy that moved aroundand you know, my style of play
was probably like his, or youknow, moved around quite a bit,
made some big plays outside the pocket. So and plus the way he lived
his life off the field and therole mall he was off the field.
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So those are the two guys thatwere probably the biggest influence. Now,
my mom doesn't get enough credit becauseshe was the one that was taking me
to practice all the time. Atthe good knee. It was on the
on the table all the time andwas at all the football, all my
games, all my any sport,baseball. I played baseball also, So
she was always the one that wastheir support when my dad couldn't be so
there. I was very, verylucky to have two great role models as
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as parents. Well, when Ithink of why we're friends, it's a
lot to do with it's not aboutyour career, it's your the way you
live your life. And I've alwayslooked up to you because you have been
very consistent in on and off right. You're a very humble person for someone
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who has such great a great success, and I'm attracted to people that have
great success. And I don't meanit's you know, in any Glenn never
knew anything about football, but youknow that I'm not much. But I
like people that will try their bestwhatever it is right and and do their
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best and and so in thinking aboutyou know again you could be the best
shoes shine guy, I want toknow why you do it and how you
do it right and and so andit's not again about you know, having
a being the best athlete. Itwas you know, the what you did
again in your community. Back tothe part on and off the field and
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how people have looked up to you, and how you've handled your life in
certain ways, and so I andyour consistency. Right you're in Denver,
you stayed in Denver the whole time. You didn't go for the l trade
for this much more money. Youfigured it out right. It's communication,
and so there's so many little thingsthat meant that I look and I admire
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in you in that. And thenyou've gone on to do very similar,
great successful things and you're you know, auto clubs or leadership dealerships, thank
you and other things like that,and you look at it and you go
okay, and you're happy. There'sone story that I love that I tell
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a lot, and I believe maybeit's it's in here I don't remember,
but is when you said you wereplaying golf. No, you're gonna tell
the story. I love it becauseit tells how humble the guy is.
You're sitting there playing golf with myvice president, Dan Clayle, and he's
a little frustrated because he's you guysare both scratch golfers, but these other
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guys are either beating you at thepoint or doing something. And you walk
over to Dan and what do youtell him? Yeah, I'm forgetting this
one, Glad. I can't rememberthis one. You tell me this one.
I can't. Yeah, I'll tellyou. Everybody wants to see the
president. Yeah, it happened toyou. And right when it happened,
I think you told me about itand you said, yeah. Dan is
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frustrated and he's kind of mumbling underhis breath and he's you know, when
you walk over, you said,put my arm around him. I said,
what's wrong, Dan? And Dansays, you know, everybody wants
to say they beat the vice presidentat golf. And you reach over,
you got your arm around him.He said, Dan, let's face it,
we're both has bins, you know. I mean that's right. Yeah,
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And it's like make fun of it. Come on, man, you
know, and every dog has hisday, and you're never going to be
on top forever, right, youknow. And the thing is you're right,
and when you are in that pedalstill, people do want to beat
And I you know, I feltthat throughout my you know, playing golf
and when you play, because theywant to run home and tell their friends
at the beach. And so Imean that that brings out the competitive side
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of everybody, especially because to me, you have to be if you're not
competitive, very difficult to be realsuccessful because that's what makes that's what drives
you to be successful and be thebest whatever you do is the competitive nature.
And you know, obviously to bea president of the United States you
have to be awful competitive to getto that level. And politic and what
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he did and like you did say, we are getting older and you know
what, we're not going to winevery time. And uh, you know,
especially in golf, because the harderyou try and golf, the worst
it gets, the worst you getthe harder. But you know, I
was I'd say this Gland is thething is uh, you know when we
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talk about you know, people andpersonalities, and you know, people put
athletes and celebrities and you know,they put them on a pedestal. And
you know, like I've said,I I've worked my whole life trying to
get off that pedestal to have peoplerealize that, you know what, just
because what I do is on TVand everybody else you know, sees you
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on TV, that they put youon that pedestal. But ultimately, in
everybody's life, no matter what youdo whether it's a mortgage mortgage business,
then like you've been success so successfulthat and all your other entrepreneurial things that
you've done, is that you youworked, you worked your tail off to
get there, and you're not You'rejust great at what you do. And
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that doesn't make me any better thananybody else. It just makes me good
at what I do. And Ithink that that's the thing that I've always
had as a mindset is that youknow what I respect, as you said,
I respect anybody that is great atwhat they do, no matter what
that is. And and not necessarilydo they have to be great at it,
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but if they work hard at itand and they're focused on what they
do, and you know, it'sa goal of them to you know,
you know, for me as aas a guy doing as a father is
to be able to support your family. That's the number one you know,
a thing that we all do inour lives is to be able to support
our families. And you know,it's funny, I'll digress a little bit.
And I was asking my dad onetime, and my mom was mad
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at him because you know, hedidn't come home, and you know,
he was this and this is probably. You know, when I was thirty
five forty years old, I thinkit was right after I retired, and
I said, Dad, I said, you know, why don't you ever
just come home? And you know, first of all, he said,
why don't you call he goes,Johnny says, I tried that, he
said, So I decided I wasjust going to get in trouble once and
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that's when I got when I gothome. But number two, he says,
Johnny said, I want you toI want you to this and this
is not something that don't take itlittally, he says, But my job
was number one and my family wasnumber two. I said, well,
why is that? He says,Because, john he says, because I
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if A didn't have a job,I wouldn't be able to take care of
my family. And that's why Ihad to commit to my job so I
could support my family. And that'swhy I had to make that commitment as
a priority that I had to havea job. And you know, football
coaches get fired all the time,and so it was so important for him
to do the best job that hecould to make a living, to be
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able to support the family. Andso, you know, because you'll always
say, well, family's number one. Yet naturally it is right, but
that's why your has to be numberone too, and they're really one in
one a because if you don't havea job, then you really can't take
care of your main priority and thatyour family. That goes back. I
just want to digress just on anothernote, and that boils down to a
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character, you know, of somethinghaving character and commitment, and there's that
lies on a lot of the childers, of a lot of men and women
that do have to put their jobsso they can support their family. It's
very hard to live without income.And I want to touch on that because
you talk about the character and andyou know and your family and what you
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you had, something very similar happenedto you that happened to me, and
that is you know, you are, you know, a big presence in
the world of sports. I didfairly well in the world of business and
and and both in community, inmy community, your community. And what
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happened to me, very similar toyou was I had a a talk with
my son and he came to meone day and we were talking about something.
He says, do you understand howhard it is to live in your
shadow? And there's a lot ofpeople that you and I both know that
have had some children that are havestruggled living in their parents' shadow, their
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dad or mom's shadow or whatever.And you had a very healthy kind of
look at that, as I feelI did as well. Where I sat
with my son, I said,listen, I don't want you to go
on and have to run a mortgagecompany and be the best at that.
I've never once asked you that Iwant you to be happy. Let's think
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of that. You could be thebest teacher, you could be a whatever
you want to be. But ifI ever said I'd be disappointed if you
didn't run my company. And Iremember when your son was put on the
front page of the Colorado newspaper forbeing in the university there in Arizona,
right, And I remember your statementbecause I was thinking I'd spent the night
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that night, and you were veryfrustrated, like why do they want to
put that pressure on him? Youknow, like you weren't out there going
yay, look at this. You'resaying, you know it's unnecessary, right,
and and unfortunately that you know,people look at that too. And
I think my son, you know, he played football and he was a
pretty good football player, and when, as you said, went to Arizona
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State on a football scholarship. Butyou know, I think, you know,
on an eighteen nineteen year old kid, that's a heck of a lot
of pressure that you know, youhave because they know who the dad is
and I and I, you know, I really never understood that because I
never had that. But I thinkas I got older, I understood that
a little bit. And you know, and my son's now thirty three years
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old, and you know, hesays today, you know, tells me
all the time. He says,you know, Dad, I wish I
was just a little bit more grownup at that time. But at eighteen,
it's hard to be that grown upto be in that situation. So,
you know, it's unfortunate that societyputs that pressure on siblings, and
then sometimes the siblings feel it,and there's no doubt they you know,
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they feel it. The kids feelit. So it's an unfortunate situation,
and you know, it's it's hard, but you're right in the fact that
I just I just want my kidsto be happy and be successful and do
what they enjoy doing and enjoy theirlife and I'm very fortunate. I've got
four beautiful kids and they're all fourmarried with beautiful mates, and so you
know, it's that to me isas much a source of pride as anything
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I ever did on the football field. Yeah, you know, I want
I want to touch on something realquick because you both, you guys are
friends for reasons. You've attracted oneanother, and you have similar mindsets.
And you know, the book iscalled Integrity, and grit is at the
center of integrity. And I'd loveto know in your words, and when
you look at Glenn and see whatyou admire about him and what he admires
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about you in your mind is whatis the definition for you of integrity?
What does that mean when someone possessesit? And can they have just a
little bit or is it all ornone? What's your you know, I
think integrity comes with trust. Ifyou have integrity, people will trust you
and they'll believe in what you sayand they'll believe in what you do.
And I think that you know,and it's great, you know, I've
never realized that grit's in the middleof the word integrity. That's what I
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love about the title is the factthat that's you know, highlighted there because
it does take grit to be successful, and you have to be able to
fight through the negative things that we'vetalked about, because there's ups and downs.
But integrity is something that when tobe successful, especially in the business
world, Glenn, like you areas well as football with players have to
your teammates have to trust you andthey have to believe in what you're telling
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them is the truth. And thatalso leads into the leadership piece of it
too. So integrity is the basisin my opinion, of any person that's
been successful in what they've done,because obviously you never get there by yourself.
You know, you have so manypieces to the puzzle and there's so
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many people that help you get there, and you know, you hope you
raise all boats on the way therethat everybody else is able to have the
success that you have too, asyou know, as a leader in a
company or leader on a football team, whatever it may be, that you
have that basis to where they canlook at you and they believe in what
you say, and that's how youget the best out of them. And
then you also have the you're givingthem the opportunity to be the best that
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they can be. And I thinkthat that's all you know, you as
a leader can do and and isprovide you're you know, the people that
work for you, your employees thatwork there, and but also make them
a piece of that and thrilled thatthey're there and want to come to work
every day. Well, when youcut corners, when you don't keep your
word, when you think more aboutyourself than others, and you treat others
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in a way that you know youyou use them to get ahead, you
build the shakiest foundation you could everbuild in any kind of and people you
can mask it. You can dowhatever you think you're doing to be clever,
and it will come back. Andwhen the time that you need people,
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they will not be there. Butwhen you care more about other people
and you understand that that your wordis your bond, and and that you
also live a life that you're notjust thinking you're very when you're a generous
human being, you know, andthen the world shakes because it always does.
Right, people are there to catchyou. And again I don't mean
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they're going to write a check foryou, right, They're just there to
have a shoulder or listen or giveyou some advice, right, It's not
you know, it's not like,hey, I want to be there so
then I can use this person lateron. No, it's it's that's the
complete opposite, and people can seethrough it. When you're authentic and you
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truly care, then the world seemsto work out because you're We all go
through the ups and the downs nomatter what. And by the way,
it doesn't mean business, It canmean relationships. It can mean so many
different things because we need people inour dark times and nobody gets out of
it without having some dark times.And when that comes, you know,
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when you've planted seeds, they're eitherseeds where people surround you or people just
watch it fall, you know.Right, Yeah, that's that's life,
you know, Glenna, that's youknow. That's what I admire so much
about you is the fact of whatyou've done in your business career, But
even more importantly is the relationships thatyou created. I think that you know,
we come from different backgrounds, wecome from different businesses, and you
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know, the relationship that we've hadhas been I have better conversations with you
than I've ever had with anybody elsebecause we come from such different backgrounds that
we have so much to talk abouta lot of times when you're around football
players all the time and da dada dah, you know, you don't
have any different stories or anything ortalk about. Obviously the background, which
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you know, the closer you areto them, the more you know about
them. But I think that youknow your background of what you've done,
what you bought through your whole life, and the things that you've been through
to be able to get to whereyou are is tremendous. And that's why
I think, my you know,the reason why I'm so you know,
connected with you as well as youknow, respect you so much is because
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of the fact of the and thebreadth of knowledge that you have. And
it's really in people. And youknow, obviously building the businesses that you've
built, you've got great people thathave worked for you and they're still with
you. And I think that thatis a true true tale of you know
what you're all about and you know, and you know I always say this
too, is that you know whentime, when the time comes and you
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know we're all going to leave thisearth, you know, it doesn't matter,
it doesn't The most important thing iswhen we leave is you know,
not necessarily what we did, butthe relationships we had while we're here,
because that's what people are going toremember. They're not going to remember how
much money you had. They mayremember, you know, you want a
couple of Super Bowls and you ranSterns and now you're a new company and
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kind that they'll remember that, butthey'll you know, what they'll talk about
is they're going to talk about whattype of person you were. And that's
to me is the most important legaciesthat you can leave is that people actually
enjoyed being around you. Yeah.No, I absolutely appreciate that. That's
why you're one of my closest friends. John I. I. I respect
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you equally for that you had.You were up for an award what was
the name of that, uh,the one that's in hair self Hope ball
and there was all these famous celebritiesand you know them all as well,
and you had asked me and Minnito present that to you at this big,
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huge ball. And I was verytouched by that because again, it
showed me your character because all thesepeople at this big ball, they don't
know who Minny and I are.And you could have picked some big celebrity
to kind of endorse look at whoI am because I know this big celebrity,
right, But that wasn't what youwere about. You said, I
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want my friend to do it,you know, And it made me,
It touched me again because it showedthe depth of what you're about, you
know, as as I you know, you you had your your daughter talk
to you know, induct you intothe Hall of Fame. You didn't have
some big football guy, right,you know, and so it shows your
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character and you know, those thingsare again when you take a big step
back and you really look at exactlywhat you're saying. And I hope people
at home get this that life isabout relationships. It's not about look at
me and look at you know,my stuff, this stuff. It's look
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at the depth of the people I'msurrounded with, right right, that's it,
that's right now. How many friendsdo you have? And you know,
how many close friends do you have? You know, obviously it's a
busy world and it's really hard toshare too much time with too many people.
But it's like, you know,for instance, two days ago,
I had my high school receiver outhere and we played two rounds of golf
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and so you know, those typeof things. I haven't lost my I
went to La this week. Myhigh school baseball coach went into the La
City c IF Hall of Fame,and so went out there to his hall
of fame, which was which wasgreat. It was overdue and he was
you know, obviously when you talkabout that level high school coaches have what
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an impact they have on one's life. And he had a huge impact.
But those are the type of thingsthat you know, are the most important
thing to me. Yeah, Granted, fame is good. Fame is not
nearly what everybody thinks it is,as you know, and so it can
be very flighting and can be veryshallow. And I think that having experienced
that, that's why I really lookat depth and relationships and really get to
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know people and people that you cantrust. And again goes back to the
same thing in the name of thebook, that have integrity. So I'll
touch on three famous things and thenand bring it and tie it back into
what you just said. You areknown for three famous plays right when you
were in college Stanford, the bandplay the Drive No, the band the
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band ran Yes, and then theDrive of course right, and then the
helicopter. Helicopter, Helicopah. Yeah, And so I mean, let's face
it, right, in any sport, you know, if you can.
I mean, look at frank OHarris right, immaculate reception. He's got
one. You got three, man, I mean, that's that's pretty damn
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good. And uh two good,one bad true true. But but still,
you know when you look at thatin a career, and and you
know, I remember when there wasa gentleman that made that bronze statue of
the helicopter, and you had itat your bar and you were telling the
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story about what happened and how youwere there and you you're two inch vertical
and all you know, the wholestory behind the helicopter. And then you
said, Glenn, I want togive you this bron that touched me so
much. I have that in myoffice. It's a very important part of
my life. And I really again, it speaks to a friendship and it
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means very very to me. Well, you've been so great to us,
and uh, you know, it'sI'm lucky to have friends like you too,
that's for darn sure. I mean, it's uh, you know,
this life is you know, it'sbeen great I always say this too.
And here's the other thing about lifeis, you know, I look at
it and you know, I'm abeliever in God and Jesus and everything,
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and you know, whether there's reincarnationor not, you know who knows,
But I know my philosophy is,even if there is reincarnation, there is
zero chance my life is going tobe nearly as good the next time I
come back around, I'm going toget the most out of this one.
That's right. Well, it couldbe a dog. That'd be pretty awesome,
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belly all with the right family,right, I like the dog and
your family, mindy, if Icould come back, that'd be good.
Yeah. So I think of thepeopleeople that listen to this show, and
you know, it's again, it'susually a lot of people that you know
are listening because they want to getsome inspirational fully on leadership or on growing
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a business, or on going throughlife. You know, it doesn't have
to be about that, and youknow the stories right there. What the
common thread again is that you knowwhen you're kind, when you're when you
care, when you're fair, whenyou're not trying to have a win lose,
when you understand that that people aremore important than profits or or your
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own you know, you know,getting ahead, that life tends to then
at you know, treat you prettypretty good. And if you do it,
if you do it right, youknow, you have less of the
lows and more of the highs,but you're still you have the lows,
but there are people there for youat that time. And and so I
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hope people get that out of whatyou and I are talking about it.
John, you were so generous toprovide a quote for Glenn's book, which
I'll just read it real quick andyou can elaborate upon it. Glenn possesses
the tenacity and drive of the greatestathletes I've ever encountered. He's taken some
of the hardest hits life has dealtand always stays in the game. That's
your little buddy, I know.And you know what, and Mandy you
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know this as well as anybody,but he really has. And Glenn,
that's where you know, I admireyou so much. I mean, the
different stories that you've told me,especially back in eight o nine when it
seemed like the whole world was blownup for you, and the things that
when you were talking about that andthe things that you did when you know,
you were trying to be one ofthe lenders for certain people and you
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had to go and say, youknow, I don't don't drop me.
And then you know, you werethe guy that got on the airplane went
downstairs even though they told you,you know, we can't get a meeting
and you know they don't have time, we're going to go a different direction.
But you you know, got onan airplane and got there and went
in that building and sat down thereuntil they would meet with you. And
you know you came out of thatthing with shining colors. And so I
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mean, those are those are thelittle things that I think make people successful
like you are, Glenn. Andthe fact that you do those things and
you don't take no for an answerand you keep going and you keep trying,
and you know you know no isnot the correct answer. There isn't
a no, and be getting ofthe conversation for him. But those you
know, that's an example that Ithink of why you've been so successful.
(38:29):
And I think you know the thingsthat you've done now that with the success
that you've had with your companies,but also you know the TV show you
did and you know Undercover Billionaire wasthat was that was what it was called,
right, Yeah, And I enjoyedwatching that too. But to be
able to do that put yourself thereand show how it can be done,
and I think that was a greatexample of what it takes and the ingenuity
(38:51):
that you showed during that and howto get things done and keep taking those
steps. So that's why, youknow, I respect the hell out of
both you guys so much and anduh so fun always talk to you and
uh, you know hear those we'vehad. I know we're kind of rapping.
But I have one last little funnystory that I want to bring up,
just because you said about the hardesthits or whatever in there. You
(39:14):
and I and Indian and Page wentto some big event and we were leaving
it and it was so crowded thatwe jumped into a cab and You're in
the back seat behind me, Mindy'sin the middle, and Pages on the
end. And when I get in, the guy's wearing a Pittsburgh Steeler jacket
(39:36):
and I go quick, top threequarterbacks of all time, and he has
no idea You're in the back,and I'm thinking he's gonna you know,
mention some Pittsburgh Steelers. Yeah,I'm gonna laugh, you know, and
go, huh, you know youdidn't pick this guy in the back.
And he goes top three quarterback numberone. I gotta say John La and
(40:00):
we went, oh man, thatwas so minny. And I pick up
our phone and we we were startrecording, and I say, okay,
let's start over again, Top threequarterbacks. I got a same number one,
John Lway and then he go,man, I remember one time so
and so hit him so hard andMindy would turn the camera to you and
you go, oh that hurt.And then that where you comment everything and
(40:27):
greatest Sam Snow Philadelphia taxi and uh, you know it's so wonderful and he's
like the cab rides for free.God just want a picture. You gave
him a very very nice tip.I remember it wasn't for free. And
you know, but we flew tosomewhere because we left that night and in
(40:49):
the next morning, I get offthe plane and my phone is going there
was like five million hits on myFacebook from your vide you know, that
went viral and went everywhere and whata uh just you know, really cool
little thing. But but anyway,it was amazing. We won't go there
(41:12):
for you. Great story. Yeah, we won't go to the other part
of that story. Thank you forforgiving me. Oh yeah, we are
so grateful you took the time outof your day. Thank you for joining
us before, after, or duringthe golf game. Whenever we can get
you. We love having you onboard. I appreciate you being part of
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this. The stories of Glenn Wright'sthere's some great ones. You know,
you've heard them all. You've heardall of them and then them and probably
there might be a few of thatyou do. But you know, I'm
just encouraging people to read the book, lencause you've done had such a great
life, Both of you together havehad such a great life. And the
things that you've done, the thingsyou've done for people, and the important
things that you've done that are just, you know, truly an inspiration.
(41:58):
And I think that I'm glad thatyou know, I wrote a book too,
and writing a book as a heckof a lot of a lot of
work and a lot of time anda lot of memory jogging to try and
remember everything because there's a lot ofthings up there, so you have to,
you know, get that memory jogand it takes a lot of time.
But I think that you know,your book is going to do a
lot of good for a lot ofpeople. I think it'll be an inspiration
(42:20):
for a lot of people because ofthe successes that you've had and the way
that you've done it. And uh, that's with putting people first and then
everything else falls in line after that. And so you know, congratulations on
your book and I'm sure it'll bea great one. Aside from you both
now being man of great character,you can both call yourself authors. There's
something you both both John and Glennhave done in common, is their authors.
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John, thank you so much forjoining us, God pleasure. Thank
you for having me on. Itwas great to see even though we got
to get together here soon. It'sgreat to see you on the on the
computer right here. And miss youguys a lot. And look forward to
the next time we get to getthat. We'll get it done soon and
hopefully it's got it definitely before wego on the hunting trip, that's for
sure. Yeah. Oh yeah,that or golfing. You know, if
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you need to get Caddy, Ihear he's he's no. That's another great
story. That's another great story.Is a fact? Can I have time
to tell that story? Well,well, yeah, we went. It
was like an American team against aFrench team over there. It was right
during the Ryder Cup and we wentover to Monaco. We're over in Monaco
(43:27):
and I asked Glenn to be mycaddie and you would just you were just
getting done with chemo or but youhad a tube. Oh gosh, that
was right after I was like twentyeighteen, right after you had surgery,
just had his epiglottis removed. Sohe was right. And I'm like,
Glenn, don't you don't no way, you don't need to come and goes
(43:47):
I'm absolutely coming. So this whenit comes down to grit, that's what
happened the part of this title.And I mean he had a tube and
he had to take medicine the wholetime, and morphic hard, but he
could and he could barely move around. He says, I need to sit
and I'm going to plan and Iwas like, I was terrified that he
was even there, but he wassaying, I'm coming and I'm I committed
(44:12):
to it and so but you almostdidn't go. You can't remember you called
that time, You're like, no, no, we're not going to do
that to him. I'm not doingthat to my buddy. I'm not doing
that. What you said, whichagain shows your character, you said,
I'm not going. I said,what do you mean you go? If
my my caddy can't go, I'mnot going I go. John, You're
going, no I go? ThenI go it. Look, I'm going
(44:37):
even if you don't go, I'llbe your caddy with with no salburtla I
know. I mean I could notblew it. And he felt you did
not feel well at all. Youdidn't feel good at all. It was
morphine. I lost your yeah,range finder anything, I'm the worst guy.
Yeah, he was so worried aboutthe range. I said, don't
(44:59):
worry about the range, you knowfinder. And then we lost to cover
to my putter, and I'm like, we get done playing, I'm like,
where is Glenn? And I'm worriedabout where Glenn go. Next thing,
I know, he comes out ofthe pro shot with a new putter
cover for my for my butter becausehe lost the butter cover, and I'm
like, you're crazy. Your nextwell, and then of course I've got
(45:21):
a great picture. Maybe we'll shareit. I don't know, but you
shared your martini and my let's gethim, let's get him hammered. I
know, I know, but thatwas a lot you talk about, you
talk about, you know, whenthere's anything that called grit, that was
grit that you went above and beyond. There's anything up friendship. You were
(45:43):
ready to give up that. Andyeah, I still kind of feel bad
we went because I know you didn'tfeel well. Hey, my life it's
about stories coming here, so pleasedownload or buy the book. We appreciate
John, thank you for coming ontoday. You are just a gem.
Love to Paige in the family andthe pups. We love to thank you
(46:06):
you too, and we'll hope toget together soon for sure. All right,
well you've been listening to another episodeof Gerrit Happens. Please join us,
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