Glass (2019)

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Speaker 1 (00:01):
It's amazing to meet you. It is simply extraordinary. Maybe
this will all make sense if I explain who I am.
My name is doctor Ellie Staple, and I'm a psychiatrist.
My work concerns and a particular type of delusion of grandeur.

(00:24):
It's a growing field. I specialize in those individuals who
believe they are superheroes. Good for you, the three of
you've convinced yourselves you have extraordinary gifts, like something out

(00:48):
of a comic book. David Dunn, the only person to
survive that train wreck all those years ago, What do
you do?

Speaker 2 (00:58):
I'm in security.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
You think you have superpowers, it's a feeling vision.

Speaker 3 (01:05):
I have to touch them.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
You believe you are a protector.

Speaker 4 (01:10):
My name is Patricia. I have no question. There are
two dozen identities.

Speaker 3 (01:15):
I'm Mary Reynolds.

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Almost got some brote that live in that body with you.

Speaker 5 (01:21):
The beast is coming any minute now for you, guys.

Speaker 1 (01:25):
But what I am questioning is your belief that you
are something more than human.

Speaker 4 (01:33):
And yet it is true.

Speaker 3 (01:38):
My bones break easily, and I've had ninety four breaks
in my life, but.

Speaker 1 (01:42):
You have an extraordinary IQ.

Speaker 3 (01:46):
This is not a cartoon. This is the real world,
no way, and yet.

Speaker 2 (01:54):
Some of us still don't die with bullets.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
Some of us can still bend steal.

Speaker 3 (02:05):
I have been waiting for the world to see that
we exist. May I meet the Beast? I hope for
your sake that he likes you.

Speaker 4 (02:16):
That sounds like the bad guys teaming up.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
A lot of people are going to die.

Speaker 3 (02:23):
Don't do this?

Speaker 2 (02:26):
Are you ready? What do we call you?

Speaker 1 (02:36):
Sir?

Speaker 4 (02:37):
First name, mister, last name?

Speaker 6 (02:42):
Class Trump people, and welcome to our three hundred and
sixth episode of Happiness and Darkness, the Superior.

Speaker 3 (02:52):
Movie podcast, where we discuss superhero movies, the Marvel DC,
dark Horse, Image and beyond. Naturally, there will be spoil folks,
so you have been warned. I'm one of your co hosts, Dijinick,
and is always joining me. Is my superhero partner in crime?
And who AI should know way better? Mister Keith bl Hey, Keith,
how's life treating you today? Well?

Speaker 5 (03:13):
Apparently I'm just an out of body voice that nobody
knows about. You know that just dashed all of my
hopes and dreams and just crushed me. And I'm crying
on the inside. Say what better than talk about glass?
Because like my soul. It is shattered to a million pieces.

Speaker 3 (03:28):
We definitely aim to put that back together again. And
joining us for today's discussion is the lady who discussed
the previous two chapters of this trilogy, the one only,
Christine Peruski. Hey Christine, how are you? And welcome back?

Speaker 4 (03:44):
Do you like Kevin though.

Speaker 2 (03:49):
I'm doing great finding that I think Hedwig is the
best of the Horde, and don't know what that says
about me, but here I am.

Speaker 3 (04:00):
Well, We're very, very happy to have you with us
because today we finally get to shut the book when
it comes to this particular trilogy, because we are discussing
Glass from twenty nineteen, of course, the third of the
Unbreakable trilogy directly and written by m Night Shyamalan, while
the score was by West Dylan Goodson, And of course
when it comes before we get into further details and stuff, Keith,

(04:22):
I wanted to actually ask you, had you seen the
previous two chapters.

Speaker 5 (04:26):
Yeah, I've seen all of these movies. Begrudgingly. I did
not realize when I watched the first two that they
were going to be in the same universe. So you
watch on Breakable, You're like, oh, this is an interesting take,
and then you watch Split and You're like, Okay, this
is an interesting movie. And then they throw that little
extra credit scene and I'm like, sort avoid you pain

(04:46):
in my you know what? Because there had to be
I did not want this to be the third movie.
I actually would have preferred Glass to be the second
because their dynamic with each other was significantly more interesting
than the Beast and that group. I feel like they
were just roped in as an after effect. So I mean,
I watched it, Am I gonna watch it again? Not

(05:07):
unless they have to.

Speaker 3 (05:09):
In fact, I was just curious to know whether you
had that background. And yes, of course, to conclude our
trivia on this film of it had a budget of
twenty million dollars and it grossed two hundred and forty
seven million at the box office, so clearly it did
very well for itself. So Chris getting into the weeds
of this movie, Christine, you know, was starting with you
when it came to this final chapter. What did you

(05:29):
make of it?

Speaker 2 (05:30):
First, I'm very surprised at the uh, the bank it
made on this movie, because I didn't know this movie
existed for like three years after it came out. I
didn't know there was any sort of uh marketing on this.
I thought it just kind of slipped under the rug.
But apparently I was just out of the loop that

(05:50):
this one. Though I wanted to like it more. I
think it had the potential to be more. This was
is this maybe the only attempt Shyamalan had at a trilogy,
and I feel like it ended up a battle between.

Speaker 4 (06:08):
Story and character arcs. Who won.

Speaker 2 (06:12):
I think story one and important details in the character
arcs were sacrificed in this battle. And the problem may
have been the fact that he clearly did not plan
this as a trilogy. It was sixteen years between the
first two movies.

Speaker 4 (06:26):
By that time.

Speaker 2 (06:26):
He may have made Split with the intention of making
a trilogy, but Split was still done as a standalone
and as Keith said, if it wasn't for the tag
at the end, there would have been absolutely no connection
to Unbreakable because it was a very well contained story,
and I think as a story by itself, it's a
good movie, van very interesting, but it didn't feel like

(06:48):
it was trying to be a real life comic book story.
So I think because there wasn't a plan for a
greater story arc, especially when he made Unbreakable.

Speaker 4 (07:04):
I don't think that this trilogy landed right.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
I might have worked better as a franchise, but the
lack of popularity in these movies, in Shamlan's movies, I
think in that sense, I don't think it would have
been able to compete with actual comic book franchises that
are out there, So I think he would have immediately

(07:28):
tanked if he had intended to make it longer. It
is interesting that the last movie in the trilogy declares
itself in origin story. Shamlan's known for his twists, but
this this twist is subtle and unique. So many superhero
trilogies start with the origin, but I think this twist

(07:51):
is kind of broken.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
And I'll talk about that more in the character breakdown.

Speaker 3 (07:57):
Sounds good and do you know, I guess then that's
great way you're wording it there. Christephen Keith, When it
comes to you, do you think that this third and
final movie of the trilogy stuck the landing?

Speaker 5 (08:08):
No, not at all. If the landing was a plane crash,
then one hundred percent. If it was supposed to be
the crescendo to this story, it did a horrible job.
It was a lot of lazy writing, a lot of
sloppy writing. There was just no common sense in any
of these characters in this movie at all, and it

(08:29):
was frustrating to, like the umpteenth degree, for everything that
you know happened a very easy solution like take away
his wheelchair or at a padlock, and none of this
would have happened, like literally the dumbest stuff, or when
you see a dead body, hit the alarm, not let's

(08:51):
go exploring and find shit, like no common sense. And
I understand that in a lot of these movies there's
a certain level of people doing dumb stuff, like most
horror movies, you know, when the kids are like jump
in the car or go hide in the house, they're like,
let's go hide in the scary house, because if they
got in the car and drove away, none of this

(09:11):
would have happened and the movie would have ended. So
that's kind of my frustration with this that the first
half of the movie had a really good pace, and
then halfway through I think he just realized, shit, I
have to tie this up somehow, and then just through
all this logic that he started to lay the groundwork on,
completely out the window and stupidity took control. And it's

(09:32):
unfortunate because it could have been a very interesting story,
especially based on the ending. Do we get the very
interesting story? Now we get everybody's dead win win, Like,
all right, great, cool, I wasted that time of my life.

Speaker 3 (09:47):
Wow. I do apologize for that. Roanti. I didn't have
any any input in making this movie. But it's curious
because when you look at even just the cost, it's
so stacked, it looks incredible, and you think, oh, this
is gonna be a banger, And sadly I tend to
agree with you both. I was rather disappointed with this,
not necessarily from the narrative perspective, but where we kind

(10:11):
of dwelt too long on certain parts rather than focusing
on others, because the pacing is all over the place
when it comes to this one, I mean, I get
we were trying to get to the core of these
three characters that we've met, you know, in the previous
two movies, and trying to ascertain whether the whole question
of are they really super are they not? And what

(10:33):
is going on and such kind of reminds me of
the Mortal Kombat mini series that they that they made
on YouTube where Rayden was in an insane asylum and
was trying to basically being convinced by his therapists that
he was not a god but he it was literally
a delusion, and so I kind of like that aspect,
but I think we won't adult Chestnut exactly. They did

(10:55):
that with Buffy, Yeah, oh for sure, and they also
did it with of course, going even further back, returned
to Oz as well. So it is something that's like, oh,
it's all in your mind, it's not real. But I
think we dwelled on that a little bit too long. Granted,
of course, you have a great actress, which we'll talk
about more like Sarah Poulson, so you kind of have
to give her something to do. But other than that,

(11:16):
I just always spend too much time doing that and
in the cells and talking to our characters rather than
actually doing something with them. And then it just it
just sort of went to break neck speed and the
movie was over. So I felt that it was lackluster
in that sense, where that's why I say the pacing
was just all over the place. Of Course, I enjoyed
visiting with these characters because I had liked them in

(11:38):
the previous two films, but the way that we're then
all brought together, it was a bit of a mess.
And I agree to your point, Christine. I think you
can clearly must tell that this was not our director's
intent of making it trilogy. It kind of just happened,
and so he's like, Okay, let's do let's wrap all
these threads up and do and make a trilogy. But
also it is what I do appreciate about it as

(11:59):
a comic book lover, is that to an extent, it
is a love letter to comic books, and very much
in the structure is very much that of a comic
book story, not just from what Elijah Price aka Mister
Glass tells us, but just how it's structured and the
characters that contains is very much structured like a comic book.
So I did appreciate that. I see what you're doing,
m Night, But other than that, I wish it had

(12:21):
ended differently, and I kind of would have wanted a
little bit more meet on the bone when it came
to certain aspects, which I'm sure will definitely address during
the course of this review. So I guess then let's
get to our characters on the board. Kicking off with
our three Supers. We have the return of course of
Bruce Willis as David Dunn the Overseer, James McAvoy is

(12:42):
Kevin Wendell Crumb the Horde, and of course sam Jackson
is Elijah Price missed the Glass. So Keith starting with you,
what did you make of our three supers?

Speaker 5 (12:54):
Super underwhelming, super boring, super predictable, super duper No, they
were interesting. This is where the forethought to plan this
as a trilogy kind of fell apart, because if the
setup was done better, the story would have been with
the three of them a little better put together in

(13:15):
terms of you have Glass and Unbreakable, because that's all
one can refer to these two instead of the Overseer
or the green Poncho dude or what the hell stupid
internet meme name they were calling him. You have the
two of them, and they had that really interesting dynamic.
And the problem with the Horde is it just seemed

(13:36):
like it was thrown in after the fact. And as
I mentioned, kind of before the fact, that Samuel's character
mister Glass actually created the Horde and didn't realize this
until he is in locked in the asylum with the
other two is kind of confusing because of the fact
that he's been tracking everything about every victim and every

(13:58):
you know, everything that he's done in the past to
find the Bruce Willis character that you would have thought
that he would have potentially tracked the family members of
the survivors to see if any repercussions could have happened
as a trigger, sort of like with Deadpool and when
you're exposed to something very violent, it's a mutant reaction

(14:19):
or mutated reaction because you're ex gene to trigger. You
would have thought he would have thought that far out, like, well,
maybe if I do this, it's a whole cause and effect,
Like if I, you know, throw the train off its
tracks and kill everybody, maybe somebody else, you know, some
cause this will affect somebody else, which it does. But
he doesn't think that far in advance. He's thinking very

(14:39):
short term. So a guy who's supposed to be this
super intelligent individual didn't think that was a possibility until
he reads his files and you're like, oh, I created
him by accident. Oops, my bad, like and then he
just kind of chuckles off to himself like he created
the perfect henchman and didn't realize this. So like that

(15:00):
could have been executed a little bit better with them
all being locked in the same asylum was interesting because
they conveniently built these rooms to house these individuals, just
like while on a whim in case we were going
to catch you, we created this room in like fifteen minutes.
Like this took a lot of planning and a lot
of foreshadowing, and it's just it's with the overseas he's

(15:25):
been creeping around and the thing he could have done
to can be completely off of the radar is just
made anonymous tips to the police and literally could have
skated free the entire time, Like he didn't have to
go chase the beast down. He could have been like
I saw this sketchy guy and he went into this
building and I hear screaming send help and click and
we're done. And like he literally could have walked away.
And again, no movie or I get with the beasts,

(15:49):
with all the different personalities, it's hard to keep a
handle on all of them. And it makes sense that
he would go out and just you know, go buy
candy or something because one of his personalities as a
nine year old and then Samuel L. Jackson's mister Glass
he's been in an asylum for the last two decades practically,
and he tried to break out numerous times, and they

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do not put any security measures in place to stop
him from breaking out, like taking away his wheelchair. The
dude can't walk. You want to stop breaking out, take
away his wheelchair or put a padlock or just a
lockover four feet tall.

Speaker 7 (16:26):
I mean, so.

Speaker 2 (16:27):
Honestly, why was he left in that chair the whole time?
That's not even good care. Like, I know he's very breakable, obviously,
but he should be in bed when not being moved
that Why was he left in that? That is unhealthy?

Speaker 5 (16:44):
No, agreed, he gets all the bed sores and all
that stuff. Again, it's lazy writing. Or when they found
him in the hallway, like, oh something's amiss, maybe we
didn't lock the door. Dude, are you new here? He's
broken out like forty seven times, like change locks, like
like just strating moments of that. What I that all
being said? What I did like is the scene where

(17:05):
all three of them are in the room together and
you see them talking and interacting with each other. And
it's interesting in the respect that Bruce's Willis character is
kind of a hybrid of those two in terms of
the Beast's strength and durability and glasses. I'm not gonna
say in necessarily heightened intellect, but his spider sense or

(17:27):
whatever you want to call his danger sense, whatever you're
gonna call it, he has that so he can kind
of the ying and yang the two of them. So
he's literally created as a counterbalance to two other individuals.
And the Secret Organization's like, you.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
Know what, kill them all?

Speaker 5 (17:42):
We don't need people to do, you know, like save
and do good things. And you're like, I'm sorry what
I think? This is one of those scenarios. If literally
the three of them were left, well two of them
were left well enough alone, this movie would not have happened.
You know, you leave Bruce Willis and the Beast, you
find the lock them away and like cool, throw away

(18:02):
the key. So I want more. It's weird, like I
want more of these characters, but I also want a
proper story for these characters, meaning they plan out the
trilogy and they do they introduce you know, character a
unbreakable character B Glass or you know, the Horde and
then character C Glass, but do it a cohesive way

(18:23):
where you get a good end result not dude gets
skicked in the chest and the other guy gets throlen
a puddle. You're like, what, I'm sorry, huh, yeah, that's
what ends.

Speaker 3 (18:32):
See.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Keith just elaborated on my saying that this was a
fight between story and character arcs and story one and
what we really wanted was more character arc that that
really was a great elaboration on what I meant.

Speaker 5 (18:47):
Thank you, you're welcome. Me and my rants they do,
you know, get full circle eventually, just give me some time.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
Yeah, exactly, that's that's Keith, and he does get their eventually,
but very well said that, Keith, Christine to you point
to what did you make about these our three main characters.

Speaker 4 (19:04):
Okay, so.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
First off, all these actors are amazing. They do an
amazing job with these roles. And I got to say
it an amazing job with not the greatest dialogue, like
they they take some of these lines are like what
the hell? And somehow they make it work. You know,

(19:26):
it's like that's the best you can get out of
some of these lines, Like they're being forced to say this,
and they're like, okay, I'll do what I can with it,
and and it's passable. Like, honestly, I found that the
they're like really great movies and really crappy movies, and
both of those are really fun to talk about. And
the ones that you complain about the most are the
ones that just weren't quite there, you know, somewhere in

(19:51):
the middle. And that's what's the problem with this movie.
Everything was kind of somewhere in the middle. Is like,
we saw the potential and you didn't go there, and
that's why it's bothering us so much.

Speaker 4 (20:01):
Like David, he.

Speaker 2 (20:04):
Spent most of the first movie being skeptical, Like it
took a whole movie with a super villain trying to
convince him that he was a superhero for him to
believe he was a superhero, And now he's spent nineteen
years using these abilities and he's falling so easily for
the mind trick. Like, dude, you should know better than

(20:27):
buy now you've been through this. You were the skeptic.
You were the one trying to rationalize away everything that
you were doing until you finally got to a point
where you couldn't anymore. There was proof, actual proof, And
now you're just backsliding because this woman you've never met
before is blah blah, lying in your ear. But and

(20:48):
then like the indignity of being drowned in a pothole?
Can can I just that is just so by people
who are not super strong?

Speaker 4 (20:56):
Thank you?

Speaker 5 (20:57):
Well, he was technically weak because he was throwing a
big water that blah blah blah blah. Oh no, it
was lazy writing. Now I'm one hundred percent uh.

Speaker 2 (21:07):
And I don't get the intense need that David has
to have, like get back at the you know, at
the Horde, and he should be done worrying about the
Horde because he's locked up. Now, that's that's always his
end goal with the bad guys is he doesn't kill them,
they get locked up when he's done with them. Michigan complete.

(21:29):
I mean, I may I maybe get the hordes obsession
with David because the Beast was supposed to be like
their god and then here someone comes along who might
be able to beat him and he That wasn't really concluded.
We didn't see, yes, the beat the Beast will prevail
because he he is the one. But you know, like this,

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their intense obsession with each other was just not explained.
It was just shown, and it didn't feel like it
was backed and then the Horde, Like I love James
McAvoy portraying the d I D. Even though from what
I've heard it doesn't work like that, you know, the

(22:14):
rapid switching even without the light. You know what we
saw and split is not something that happens with real
d ID. But still his betrayal is so wonderful. But
in this movie, they just they used too many identities
and if you don't have the subtitles on, you may

(22:34):
not even know who they all are or that he
has changed because there are so many. The light forces
so many to surface that they have to introduce themselves
each time, and it's awkward and it's forced, and I
did not care for it, and like it just felt
like somebody faking at that point, which is why I say,

(22:55):
these excellent actors did the best with what they could.
You know, what they could with these lines, like why
does each identity have to say their name introduce themselves?

Speaker 4 (23:05):
Like not all of them would do that.

Speaker 2 (23:08):
I forget to introduce myself and I've only got one identity, geez.
But I did love him, like when we stick to
the primaries, you know, like miss Patricia Hedwig, we didn't
get a lot of Dennis. You know, it's good, but
there's more of that character arc that was getting me.

(23:30):
So we get a little bit right at the beginning
while the logos are still going on. At the beginning
of the movie, we get a little dialogue happening that
kind of suggests to us that Dennis doesn't feel like
he's like wants to be a part of this anymore,
Like their whole mission plan isn't working and people are
dying and he's not really on board with that. We

(23:53):
get a little bit of that. But meantime, so three
years have passed since the first movie, and back then
the hoard was literally three identities and the Beast, you know,
miss Patricia Dennis Hedwig. Now they mention that there's still
there are ten in the hoard, and I'm like, how

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did this happen? When did these identities get on board?
What made them come over? Like seeing the Beast in
action was that it is that what happened? I don't know,
we don't get any of that that we just in
addition to each one of having to introduce themselves, they
declare whether or not there for the hoard, And I'm like,

(24:35):
this just feels so forced and so clunky, and I
feel bad for James McAvoy having to deliver these lines.
It's just he did the best he could, honestly. And
then mister Glass, Okay, is Sam Jackson ever bad in
a role?

Speaker 3 (24:54):
No?

Speaker 2 (24:55):
Like, he did great. He was fun to watch. He
was selling everything he was given. But unfortunately this super
smart villain was being written by someone with much less intelligence,
and it showed like there are issues with the actions
he takes in this movie. For starters, we never actually
get an explanation for how he's getting out of his room.
I assume there's a lock on the door. I have

(25:18):
to assume that because they're always surprised when they find
him out of the room. If they literally aren't locking
the door, then what the hell?

Speaker 7 (25:25):
Man?

Speaker 4 (25:26):
But you know, Patricia even.

Speaker 2 (25:28):
Asks how he gets out, and he spends a lot
of time explaining how he knows he won't be observed.
He doesn't say how he got out. He just says
he knows he has this much time because of this,
this and this, and like, that's cool, how did you
get out?

Speaker 4 (25:42):
Dude? Don't deflect?

Speaker 2 (25:46):
And his endgame is really not the best plan, Like
the false end game he had with the building opening
and everything. A live feed would have been better. I
know that fake and AI were not as pervasive six
years ago, but they were still a thing. We were
already starting to question everything we saw on the internet.

(26:09):
These pre recorded videos they end up sending out easily
get explained away. I mean, right now, AI could make
all of that and it's sad but true, and then
we'd have to explain like the little errors, like why
does this person suddenly have six fingers? And then people
would still argue with you about it. So a live
feed definitely would have worked better for his goals. And then,

(26:36):
and this is where the origin story comes in. I
don't get it, he says, it's an origin story whose
origin story because all the main characters are dead or
not superheroes, and all we see at the end is
the masses watching viral videos. We don't see that certain
people are being affected in a profound way by seeing

(26:59):
these videos. If the event's supposed to like trigger a
new batch of superhumans who suddenly start looking for abilities
in themselves that they didn't notice like David did in
the first movie, I mean this was not illustrated. Well,
I mean I think of the series finale of Buffy
when they suddenly make all potential slayers actual slayers, and

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you'd see flashes of girls that nobody knew were potentials
suddenly changing, like a girl in a softball game. At
the bat, you know, she looked really nervous and then
suddenly she just looked super confident that she was gonna
nail this. Stuff like that. We didn't get any of that.
So who was this origin story about. It's just it fell.

Speaker 4 (27:46):
Flat on its face.

Speaker 2 (27:48):
And I think he really rushed through this. He put
in that tag at the end of Split because he
had an idea, and then I feel like he must
have been rushed to produce something because this was not
well thought out. None of this was really well thought out.
And you know a few like edits, you know, having

(28:10):
other people read through this and go, wait a minute,
you're super smart character is making really dumb choices here,
you know, like just a couple of other eyes on
this guy. So yeah, I think I'm so angry about
it because there was something here.

Speaker 4 (28:28):
We could have done something with this.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
It had a lot of potential to be good and
it just wasn't.

Speaker 3 (28:37):
This is very true. I mean, I agree with you, Christine,
I think the potential was certainly there to bring us
a really great story, and even the themes that our
director tries to bring through kind of a little bit weakened,
full flat in the face, because I think, you know
the concept that possibly, I mean, I never I have
not spoken to mister Shamalan, so I don't know obviously

(28:58):
what his exact thoughts are. Maybe someday if you're listening,
m Night, you're welcome on the podcast and we can
definitely have a chat and you can explain this to us.
But from what I was gathering, and you know, at
this my my theory was that the theme that he
was trying to bring through with the concept of the
live feed and showing this other people is the fact
that there are so many maybe forces out there that

(29:20):
try to suppress the truth, and how you have these
organizations in place to suppress things that might either take
put them out of power or make or show, we say,
lose control of your regular people. So the fact that
letting the world know that superheroes are real, I think
that was probably the whole concept behind it, of a folks,

(29:43):
there are actually supers walking amongst you, and then it's
not true that you know that things happen just by
chance or can be explained away. So that is possibly
what he was trying to say with this.

Speaker 2 (29:54):
This feels like this feels like a Signs faux part,
Like a lot a lot of people looked at the
wrong thing in Signs That, a lot of people focus
on the fact that the alien's weakness was water and
how stupid is that? And I'm like, that really wasn't
the message.

Speaker 4 (30:13):
Of the movie.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
That movie it's it's not a science fiction, it's a
a faith movie. And it's hard for people to see
that for some reason, even though the whole the main
character is a priest who's lost his faith and it
keeps getting brought up through the whole damn thing. So
it may be that his message in this movie, like
you said, is about the suppression of the truth by forces,

(30:39):
by organizations that don't want you.

Speaker 4 (30:41):
To know the truth.

Speaker 2 (30:43):
Again, he failed to get that message across to people,
including me this time.

Speaker 5 (30:49):
But see, that would be a director faull part, not
necessarily a perception full part, because if I'm watching a
movie and truth, my perception is like, oh, they're superheroes,
and he's trying to be like, no, I'm trying to
look at the fact that there's a pressive organization, like yeah,
you're doing a shitty job with that because you're like,
here's the shiny penny and then you're like, oh, look
over here, and you're like, yeah, but you put all

(31:10):
this emphasis on this specific group of characters when in
reality you wanted the secret Organization to be the focal point.
Except you literally had a flashback scene with the organization
and one scene at the end going Okay, I'm going
to go on to the next city, and except that's
what you wanted us to focus on, but you didn't
focus on eight. So the fact that he, you know,

(31:32):
the takeaways like with Signs where we're supposed to be
religion and we all focused on the aliens because he
did a terrible job focusing on that aspect. Like, yes,
watching it as an adult, ey sorry, Faith, sorry, Faith, correct,
I pardoned me as an adult, I understand what they
were trying to accomplish with the whole faith and the aliens,

(31:53):
But yeah, my knee jerk reaction when I first watched
the movies, how the after you go in Vada Planet's
covered ninety percent water and be deathly a water No.

Speaker 3 (32:01):
One.

Speaker 4 (32:01):
Questions were of the worlds, how do you all the time? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (32:06):
How do you not have any countersuit that protects you
from germs on a foreign planet? What kind of brilliant
aliens are you? I mean even humans got that right when,
like in the sixties.

Speaker 5 (32:17):
No, I was the same way when you're like, wait,
what kills them cooties? I'm sorry?

Speaker 7 (32:21):
What now?

Speaker 3 (32:21):
Yeah?

Speaker 5 (32:23):
Like, what do you cooties kills the aliens? Yeah, they
like cracked the window and like died from the flu. Like,
I'm sorry. They traveled across time space like asteroids, black holes,
who knows what? Yeah, and then they cracked the window
and died. Are you telling me they did intend a
probe to Earth to be like can we breathe here?
Or is there crap here? It's gonna kill us? Oh

(32:44):
there is? Yeah, never mind, We'll go to the next planet.

Speaker 2 (32:45):
Like first, you could make an argument that the space
program was so much more successful in that area because
they learned from that old book.

Speaker 5 (32:54):
I mean, it's technically that's fair, that's a valid point.
I just I think when the directors are trying to
be subtle or are being too subtle with the story point,
and then everybody's takeaway is the larger picture, and then
they're trying to be like, I wanted to focus on this, Well,
then you should have directed our attention to that specific
story point. Like when Glass says this is an origin story,

(33:14):
he's not talking about an origin story for himself or
the three of them. He is referring to the origin
of superheroes in the world by and large, to use
a to coin a NIX phrase. So if they really,
if this organization really wanted to dispel all this superhero

(33:36):
or extra powers or magic and all that stuff, they
would have gone after the comic books because people were inspired.
Look at Glass, he was inspired by reading comic books,
and conveniently, due to plot armor, each kid found a
comic book related to the character they're interacting with. If
it was, you know, the Beast with his crazy powers

(33:56):
and abilities Dad with his comic book, know, they conveniently
found the story related to their character. So if the
organization wanted to disprove or dispel comic books, they would
have gone after the writers. Because clearly the people writing
these stories have some extra dimensional power to perceive the
stories that are literally happening. But we're not.

Speaker 2 (34:19):
In the fact, the fact that kids tend to like
comic books might lend weight to their argument because like,
that's kids stuff.

Speaker 4 (34:28):
We're adults. That's not real.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
So that's kind of like the Star the Stargate Wormhole
extreme phenomenon where they make a show that's exactly Stargate
and they decide the government decides to let it go
because that ridiculous show is a great cover for anybody
who finds out about the real Stargate program.

Speaker 4 (34:50):
They're like, no, that's just a show.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
I'm sorry, Nick, I totally derailed your your review.

Speaker 3 (34:56):
Go right ahead, No, it's so to be fine. But
I that's exactly the point I was going to bring up, Christine,
is the fact that I think another point this this
movie is trying to make is, you know, to Keith's point,
you know, to kind of counter the counter the argument.
If he was they wouldn't possibly go after the comic
books of the writers because of the dismissal of the
comic book genre, of it being seen as juvenile and

(35:17):
send only kids read and so on. And we had
seen this in the in the in Unbreakable where we
had glasses, you know, when he was doing his gala,
his kind of art exhibition, and everybody's like, oh, I
want to I believe it was actually in his store
where the kid goes and he's like, I want to
buy this for my kid, and Glass is like sugar.
His chagrin is enormous when he's like, how are you

(35:39):
You don't even understand this? This is art. And so
I think that theme is being brought through of how
people you know that that long term concept of comic
books are just the kids. They're they're silly, they make
no sense. So possibly that's where maybe why the organization
would allow comics to continue, because they're like, oh this

(36:00):
they're they're not going to read into this is not
going to care. It's like it's silly, it's silly, funny,
it's the funny pages. So that's why my thought is
it's possibly about wanting to literally suppress the truth, and
the origin story is literally that is making people open
their eyes that there are things out there. It's almost

(36:20):
like a Fox Molder situation where I want I want
to believe and I want people to believe that there
are extraterrestrials out there. So I think that's the point
that that that Charmlan was trying to make, but sadly,
to you guys's points, it was possibly excessively subtle. Maybe
you could have had a newspaper headline Superheroes are amongst us,

(36:40):
or even a newscast with the title of you know,
superheroes discovered or superheroes are real to maybe add more
weight to the footage that was that was sent out
by Glass That maybe would have would have cemented that
point a little bit better. When it came to our characters,
I agree. I mean it's a master class in acting

(37:01):
dealing with bad writing. I often use the example of
Idris Elba when it comes to this, who has been
in some terrible, terrible movies, but he elevates them because
he's such a great actor. I think especially of the
sequel of the Ghostwriter sequel, which is horrendous, but Idris
just makes it better because he's a great acting He
can deal with bad writing and just a bad movie.

(37:24):
And I think it's the same. And the point that
you made, Christine is exactly that You've got Bruce Willis,
James McAvoy and Sam Jackson, and they're all excellent actors
in their own right. And I think that scene took
even Keith's point, whether in the Room Together is definitely
a masterclass in acting dealing with bad writing, but it
also I think allows us to showcase some of the
concepts behind these characters. There is some character study more

(37:47):
than character development where I agree with David, he had
got no he was a skeptic himself, and then he
realized he was a superhero and he's working with his
son and all this kind of thing, so he realizes
he is super A random dot comes along is like, no,
it's not true. It's you're You're totally normal. This this
this thing, this is going to be explained. And he's like, oh, yeah, right,
I'm back to being a skeptic again. It doesn't work

(38:09):
that way. They definitely agree that that reprogramming or deprogramming
just doesn't work that way. And then on the other side,
you know, trying to weaken the hoard with the whole
concept of belief, where you know, once again the concept
of faith because the Horde was seemingly beaten by the overseer,
the beast part of me, the rest of the Horde
is like, he's not that strong. We don't care. And

(38:30):
it goes back to that concept of if you don't
believe in a god, if they will lose their power,
and so so many themes thrown in which make little
to no sense to our general story. Great themes, but
they just don't work. And yeah, I mean the bringing
them together. You know, mister Glass's master plan once again,
How the hell does he get out of his room

(38:51):
all the time. This is worse than people breaking into
the Arrow Cave. With the ease that he gets in.
It's like, I just don't know.

Speaker 7 (39:00):
It.

Speaker 3 (39:00):
Just blow the fortress so exactly, or any other especially
well especially the CW verse people break into the that
it will sort of hideouts with the greatest of ease.
But just like mister Glass breaks out of his room
on the on the concert blace, like I was just
faking it. I was never drugged. This has been my plan.
Long dude, were you waiting for these guys to be
captured because you thought they eventually would? Maybe you were

(39:21):
playing a long y exactly.

Speaker 2 (39:24):
It's like, yes, now he is after nineteen years.

Speaker 3 (39:31):
I guess it shows you maybe how dedicated he is
to this cause to where it's like I will wait
for as long as it takes, which is ridiculous. On it,
and you know, just looking at it, it's like, Oh,
he's just waiting for them to be caught. At some point.
Eventually it happens, like within his lifetime. So yeah, mis Glass,
I forgot there.

Speaker 2 (39:50):
There's one scene about with mister Glass that I want
to mention, the flashback, the new flashback of him at
the carnival on the what is the spinning ride? Now
did he somehow develop this intelligence later in life? Because
like the first time I saw it and he put

(40:12):
those two giant stuffed animals next to him, I'm like,
what are you doing?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
Kid? What are you Those are not gonna stay there?

Speaker 2 (40:19):
What the hell are you doing? Tying is sweater around
the bars?

Speaker 4 (40:24):
What the no?

Speaker 2 (40:26):
No? Like like again, like this is supposed to be
a super intelligent person. Yes, he's still a kid, but
he should have already figured that none of that was
gonna work. And like like it's a horrifying scene from
his mother's point of view, but like from the kids

(40:47):
point of view, I'm like, yeah, you deserve this. Like
this is the kid who reaches for the fire even
though he's been told he's gonna hurt, He's just he's
gotta feel it.

Speaker 4 (40:58):
Gotta feel it to learn it could.

Speaker 5 (41:02):
Have been It could have been a pubescent type of thing.
You know, with mutant powers, they trigger when you hit puberty,
so he may have developed this a little bit later
in life.

Speaker 4 (41:10):
Yeah, you make a fair point.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Yeah, I'm trying to salvage this one because I'm with
you with that scene. It's like, wait, you're supposed to
be a smart person, and you're like, let me tie
my hands to the spinny thing and hopeless and trifugal
forces fling me out of here like a rag doll,
and what to do? Flings you out of here like
a rag doll? Way to go Champ.

Speaker 3 (41:28):
Exactly. No, But I think, as I said once again,
you know, with the beauty of movies as they are
definitely open to interpretation, and that's the director or writer
tells you otherwise. But I suppose you know, you know,
Elijah has always wanted to be a creator in his
own mind of since he loves comics so much and
he knows so much about him. This is almost like

(41:51):
his literal master plan of being a creator. On one side,
having you know, pitting David and Kevin aka the Hoard
against each other and all this is supposed to factor
in the fact that this is how through the sacrifice
of these people and people seeing this and being and
doing the whole feed, they will realize that superheroes exist.

(42:12):
And so I think it is very much his creator
complex that he has. But on the other end, I
do agree, mean we do you know to the guy
the point you guys made earlier about the overseer being
so obsessed with wanting to catch the Horde. I mean,
I understand obviously wanting to catch him because he's still
out there, he's still killing young girls, but you know,
and then obviously when he finds him and such, he

(42:32):
could have possibly I guess, alerted the authorities. The problem is,
I think he's the only one possibly strong enough to
take on the Beast, as we see in multiple scenes
in this where where he just literally gets rid of
security guards with abandon and with no problem, be they
armed or not. So that's obviously his big mission. But
then I guess once they're all interns, it's just a

(42:54):
mister Glass went when here putting his plan into action. Yeah,
it is very convoluted and probably one of the most
convoluted Charmalan films I've seen to date. And it's very
sad as I agree with you both because it could
have been so much more. There's so many great themes
that could be could have been explored, which were hinted
at but were never really brought to the surface. So
it's a great shave. And when it comes to James,

(43:16):
his performance is stella. I just appreciate how he's able
to juggle all these different identities. I actually made this
point when we talked about Split you and I Christine
about Crazy Jane, and it's a very similar kind of
concept where you have the light and you have the
underground on the other side, and you have the primary identity,

(43:39):
and it's all about protecting that primary identity, which is
very much the case here because the Beast was created
to protect Kevin and the fact that that's probably why
the rest of the hard is turning against him, is like
you can't protect Kevin anymore, which is very similar to
what Crazy Jane goes through with her her being the
protector of the little girl that is part of this

(43:59):
the ide identities, and like you can't do this job
anymore because you're not able to protect her. So it's
a that's something else I wish we would have explored
that more, going to the whole psychological deal of the
beast actually being there as a coping mechanisms of protector
rather just being some crazy dude who roars and screams

(44:19):
and just rushes about on all fours. I would have
appreciated that much more.

Speaker 4 (44:25):
So forward to the split TV series.

Speaker 3 (44:28):
Oh You and Me Both, I would absolutely love that.
So I guess it was definitely a waste of three
excellent actors. So let's get to our three sidekicks. We
have Anya Taylor Joy reprising her role as Casey Cook,
Spencer treet Clark as Joseph Done, and Charlene Woodard as

(44:48):
Missus Price. So Christine, starting with you, what did you
make of these three characters?

Speaker 2 (44:56):
Well, I don't have a lot to say about Missus Price.
She was in some pretty harsh age makeup. I mean,
I have to say kudos on getting all of these
actors back, especially the ones who are only an unbreakable like.

Speaker 4 (45:12):
Joseph I was.

Speaker 2 (45:13):
I really appreciate them getting him back after like so
many child actors that you know, we're really good as children.
I've looked into them. They're not acting anymore. Some of
them are still in films. They're writing, directing stuff like that.
One of them.

Speaker 4 (45:28):
We were talking off.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Air last week about or two weeks ago about Peter
Pan and the kid who played him in the I
think it was two thousand and three. Peter Pan, he's
in advertising now is but to get this kid back,
I don't know if he was still acting or just
came back to acting for this role. But it had

(45:52):
been a long time since I had seen Unbreakable. My
first time watching Glass and I immediately knew that's the
same actor because he has very unique eyes and nose,
like it's.

Speaker 4 (46:05):
Something about him is just so unusual. And the moment
I saw him.

Speaker 2 (46:10):
Like, Wow, they got him back, Oh awesome, And he
was good.

Speaker 4 (46:15):
All of these actors are good.

Speaker 2 (46:16):
I think Missus Price may be just a little, uh,
kind of cliche in the you know, the way she speaks,
but it is the same way she was speaking an Unbreakable.
But you know, I think out of the three of these,
the one that I really find the most interesting is
Casey and I like, I would like, I really want

(46:40):
to get that split series because I think the relationship
between her and Kevin would be a great thing to
explore in more detail. I mean, she was a victim
most of her life, and then she became uh a
more traditional victim to the Horde, being kidnapped and treated.

Speaker 4 (47:06):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
They weren't really tortured so much as terrorized.

Speaker 4 (47:13):
Until the end there.

Speaker 2 (47:14):
And you know, going through that ordeal and then being
let free because she was the broken, because of everything
that she's already gone through in life, you know, she
was worthy to continue on. It gave her the strength
to break free from her lifelong imprisonment, and she is

(47:38):
transformed in this movie. She is a totally different person.
She was so closed in Split, you know, wearing so
many layers, trying to hide herself just in the way
she carried herself. And in this she was like a
confident woman, you know, happy to be where she was
in a happy family life, even though it's a foster home.

(48:02):
She it was just thrilling to see her and to
want to go back and to provide something to her
tormentor to help him get.

Speaker 4 (48:14):
Through what he's been going through.

Speaker 2 (48:17):
It was so rich and detailed, and we didn't get
enough of it. It was sacrificed for this convoluted story.
And then on top of all that when they do
that whole like comic book search, she tries to defend
comic books as history to this therapist, and it didn't

(48:40):
make any sense, and it made her sound like a
naive child. And I'm like, this is just contrary to
everything I've seen of this character up to this point,
and it just it isn't working for me, and I
felt it was a disservice to her. And like Joseph,
I don't really have anything more, just like it was

(49:02):
great to see that he had been working with his father.
They had worked out a system for him being a superhero,
and they even had a business to support what they
were doing, Like it was a security footage, that kind
of thing, you know, all that spyware stuff things to
protect your own home. It worked great, like coincided well

(49:24):
with what they were doing, and because it was their
own business, they could close down or do stuff on
the side as much as they wanted. It was a
great backstory there, a little you know, filler for what
have we been doing all this time? And I loved
it and I'd love to see how they worked well together.

Speaker 4 (49:42):
They really just kind of brushed off.

Speaker 2 (49:44):
The mom thing that they had like a brief flashback
where we only see her back, and I'm like instantly going,
that's not her, because i know what the Princess Bride
looks like, even from behind, and that's not her. So
I just I feel like that got swept under the rug.
I wonder if he just could she was the one

(50:07):
actor that he couldn't get back for this, or if
he just had no.

Speaker 4 (50:10):
Place for her. So that was a little awkward.

Speaker 2 (50:16):
But I again, another potential for a good series would
be like The Overseer, just him and his son. It
be kind of a old style superhero show, you know,
just episodic crime, crime, Lord of the Week or whatever.

Speaker 4 (50:34):
That would have been cool.

Speaker 2 (50:36):
I really did like having these sidekicks, as you put it,
although I do feel missus Price was a bit of
a stretch at this point. She's very, very old. I mean,
they aged her up in Unbreakable because they had her
at her normal age for the flashbacks, but they really
had to age her up because now now she's nineteen

(51:00):
years older. And it's sweet that she still goes to
visit her son, even though he pretends to be cateatonic
the whole time. But it just I don't know why
she's trying so hard. I didn't get that she seems
to have no life of her own, which makes her
kind of a hollow character for me. But it was
nice that they all had someone in their lives to

(51:20):
care for.

Speaker 3 (51:21):
Them, definitely, and it was certainly a shame we didn't
get Robin Wright, of course, as it's always a pleasure
went to see her grace the screen. But I guess,
like you said, maybe Shamlan did not have a place
for her or was like, you know, we're calling Robin
Wright and having using her for like two minutes. It
would have been a waste of a Robin Wright. Granted

(51:41):
there was a waste of quite a few actors in this,
but still maybe Robin was busy that particular day. And Keith,
what did you make of Casey Joseph and Missus Price.

Speaker 5 (51:53):
Well, while you guys were chatting it up, I had
to go look and Missus Price is technically a decade
younger than say, Milo Jackson. So that explains the horrific
prosthetic makeup that they had her to age her up,
because it just it looked so distracting anytime she was.

Speaker 2 (52:11):
Looked like she actually had work done at some point
in her life.

Speaker 5 (52:14):
Right like bad work, not even like she went to
like a real doctor. She's like, I found this dude
on Craigslist and he just put me off with you
do what you got to do to look young.

Speaker 3 (52:24):
I get that.

Speaker 5 (52:26):
Yeah, you know, Craigslist is not a good place to
get your surgeons. I'm just putting it out there. I'm
not saying I've done it. I'm just saying I've heard
things from friends. With that being said, the fact that
you know she, as you mentioned, she had to talk
on a certain accent and use certain mannerisms and characteristics
to portray her as being quote unquote older than him

(52:48):
because technically she's a decade younger. It kind of broke
the scene or the bubble as it were, because anytime
she was on screen, you're looking at her and you're
looking at her quote unquote son and you're like, no,
this doesn't work, and it's like, no, they could have

(53:09):
recasted somebody a little bit older and it would have
worked a little bit better. I'm not saying they had
to like go crazy and make somebody like, you know,
thirty years older than him, but just make somebody or
get somebody that looks a little bit older than sam
Mulla Jackson's character, because looking at them you would have
thought he was dead and she was daughter, except she
doesn't have any kids. Same thing, you know, as you

(53:33):
mentioned with a Casey, she had so much character development
in the few scenes that we see her. She's the
night and day to completely change. This is her, you know,
quote unquote fallout from all the torture and all that
stuff that happened in the last movie that you see,
and you're like, Wow, she's a whole different person. She's
like really standing up, she's carrying herself differently. And then

(53:55):
they just kind of relegate her to this goofball not
love interest, love interest side character, which made a little
sense but no sense at all at the same time.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
All right, do you like Kevin?

Speaker 5 (54:10):
Shut up the adult talking. The fact that she goes
to this comic book store leaves something on the counter.
I thought was a note or something. I expected the
clerk to open it up and be like, my friend's
a super villain or some anything like. Now it's just
a crumpled dollar bill. And she walks out, and you

(54:31):
know what's his face happens to be in the same
comic book store. Like literally feet from each other, and
that would have been an interesting story to have them
not necessarily become love interests or whatever, but them team
up to try to break these two hour or you know,
do whatever they were gonna do, as you know, reject sidekicks.

(54:53):
I did appreciate the fact that they brought his son
back from the original cause he has it's the eyes.
I was trying to figure out what the carric it's
his eyes. Anytime I see him on anything, I immediately know, Oh,
it's the King from Unbreakable. He's very distinct, not in
a bad way, just he has certain features that just

(55:14):
they don't change or have.

Speaker 4 (55:16):
Not loved alien. I'm gonna say, you.

Speaker 5 (55:20):
Have this thing for aliens. We've talked about this offline.
You might need to support group UFO, anonymous or something.
I would have Weirdly, again, this goes back to a
more cohesive story. It would have been interesting to see
if he potentially, because being who his father is, having
heightened abilities, maybe he would have developed something or has

(55:43):
developed something or literally anything. And the same thing with Casey,
same scenario. She has gone through two traumatic events. Obviously
her personality has shifted, but did she develop any powers
or abilities or any anything, because as we've noticed, all
these things are based on spectacular trauma. The Overseer drowning

(56:08):
Glass just strong breeze.

Speaker 4 (56:13):
Was killer man.

Speaker 5 (56:15):
It was a wicked breeze falling down the stairs or
the hoard with the mom tort essentially torturing the child.
And this is what his coping mechanism was. So the
moral of the story is just you should start rolling
around punching people because apparently in the end night Shamalan
world you're going to develop like xtray evsion and you know,
mutant claws and wings and crazy crap.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
So I just that was the Beast's whole m o
right there.

Speaker 7 (56:41):
Right the broken, the broken Neil the broken, and the
fact that he didn't know why he and that was
another story point that they just completely glossed over.

Speaker 5 (56:51):
Is Glasses the broken. If you think about it, you know,
the Beast thinks he's broken, but it's actually Glass who
is the broken. Because again Glass being Glass, he is
the guy who triggered all these events for everybody else,
these two other characters. And if it wasn't four Glass,
you would not have gotten the Overseer because he would

(57:12):
have just grown old and just been a security guard
at a mall somewhere or Walmart or something and football stadium.

Speaker 4 (57:19):
He probably would have stayed there.

Speaker 5 (57:21):
Well, eventually he would have had to retire and he
would have been a mall greeter or like a Walmart
greeter or one of those types of characters. Because there's
a not on a side story, there's a Walmart I
go to that looks the guy that works the door
looks like it could be the overseer. He's just that
kind of dude, So I know, right. My point being
is that there's so many other angles they could have

(57:43):
explored with these three characters. Yeah, Samuel's mother was a
little hard because obviously she's older, but the two kids
easily could have spun off into their own movies or
other types of adventures in their universe where they realize
they have some type of abilities. Well maybe not to
the level of their father or you know, the Horde something.

(58:08):
The fact that he was trying to introduce superheroes to
the universe, this was the perfect segue. These two kids
totally could have been the next generation of superheroes. And
we've all been like, okay, cool, and you see them.
I don't know, practicing, jumping off of shit, I don't know,
sticking to walls, whatever, just the fact that it was

(58:28):
a avenue they didn't go down, and it was a
missed opportunity, especially because I like these two kids. They
are fun to watch on screen together and they actually
had the few moments you saw them together, they had
good chemistry. So I'm just sad we didn't get more
of them interacting with each other, with each other on purpose.

Speaker 3 (58:53):
Oh, I totally agree. And then once again, you have
some fantastic actors. Anya's career has constantly gone you know,
besroom beats and better. She's been in so many fantastic
films and TV shows, and clearly this is a fantastic
actress someone, as there have been cases where she has
been in films that fell a little bit flat. I
think of this, I think of New Mutants, But other
than that, you know, she has been in fantastic things.

(59:13):
I think like The Queen's Gambit, where she's absolutely brilliant in,
or other projects as well. Of course, I think, you know,
I did call them sidekicks. I guess maybe the the
Lamug just would probably be support systems, which I think
is what which I guess maybe might be the role
that a sidekick can fulfill when it comes to the
comic book world, in the superhero world, where they are

(59:35):
there for the hero that they that they follow to
to talk to, for one and also be there for them.
And I think that's exactly what it is here, albeit
a little bit of an oblique and odd way when
it comes to Casey, especially because starting with her, of course,
she was the horde in the in this case, the Beast.
It literally spared her because like, you are broken, and

(59:58):
so you know what pain is. I'm not going to
kill you. Go ahead and live your life. But it's
almost like, I suppose what they're trying to tell us
here is possibly once again speculating, is that there's somewhat
of a Stockholm syndrome going on between Casey and Kevin,
where you know, she sees the parallels between the two
as in both of them having been victims of trauma

(01:00:21):
and both having been victims of abuse, Kevin with his
mother and Casey with I believe her uncle and her father.
So if there is that commonality between the two, so
it could partly be Stockholm syndrome, and it could possibly
be relatability of this guy. He behaves this way because
this and this happened to him, and it might have
happened to me, maybe not getting superpowers, but possibly going

(01:00:43):
out and killing people or performing violent acts because I
was the victim of trauma. So she is very much
the support system, I think to Kevin and sort of understands.
She's the ones they able to literally talk him down,
even though he's literally getting shot while she's talking to him,
so that's neither here nor there, but she's right there
trying to understand saying he's not really he does this

(01:01:06):
because he's not a bad person. He just had some
really really bad stuff happened to him, and I like
that connection. It would have been nice to once again
have have had more of that. When it comes to Joseph,
I think it's the same thing. He is a support
system to his father. I mean, yes, they are in
a partnership where Joseph and David are now working together

(01:01:28):
to you and using his powers for good and trying
to fit to catch criminals and such. But at the
same time, he's the literal voice in his father's ear.
So there is very much a thing and in the
chair he's the man in the chair, Well said exactly.
He is his man in the chair, and he is
his voice in his ear, and so he is there
to support him. Same thing with Missus Price. I mean,

(01:01:50):
as much as her son has done horrible, horrible things
and killed tons and tons of people, she still loves
her son, and she's the one who visits him and
goes to see him, and he still believes there is
some good in him. So I think that was the
main role these characters were supposed to fulfill, as in,
even though you might have the greatest powers, or you

(01:02:12):
might have whatever iss it might be different from others,
there are those behind the scenes who are there for you,
regardless of how you might behave. So I think that
is possibly the point of them, and I agree once
again it's a shame we keep going back to this
well of the really poorly written script. But I think

(01:02:33):
our folks did the best they could with some really
bad stuff. And I will also suggest, folks, if you
haven't seen Style Leaders from my recommendations, I'll stay zip
on that. We'll talk about this later when it comes
to mister Spencer treet Clark. But it was great seeing
them again, and like I said once again, another great
group of actors. And speaking of great actors, let's round

(01:02:53):
off our characters with our main antagonist or even villain
if you will, a woman who would later on Goo
and play the terrible nurse Ratchet, of course, in the
the spin off series from A one three Over the
Cuckoo's Nest, now playing a doctor, Sarah Paulson as doctor
Ellie Staple. So Christine, starting with you, what did you

(01:03:14):
make of our doctor?

Speaker 2 (01:03:17):
This stop spoiling my recommendations list. Although I haven't seen
that one, I will say my favorite Disney Princess movie
is Tangled, and Keith's thrown by this off the wall comment.
So Mother Goffle is the villain in that movie, and

(01:03:38):
she's probably one of the most irksome villains that Disney has,
one of the ones that really gets under your skin.

Speaker 4 (01:03:48):
And the reason for that is.

Speaker 2 (01:03:50):
Because her evil power is real. It is something that
gets used in real life all the time, and that
is gaslighting. For almost everyone has been gas lit at
some point in their life, some of us more than others.
And that's it's so insidious because it works. It really

(01:04:13):
gets to you. It's so hard to see around it
and it's such a viable weapon. I mean, it's honestly
being used by a lot of world leaders right now,
and that's how they maintain their control is gaslighting. It
is probably the scariest evil power there is because anybody

(01:04:35):
can wield it and it is vicious. And that is
what doctor Ellie Staple is doing. She is trying to
subdue this superhero existence through gaslighting, and it almost works.
I don't understand why it's working on some of these people,

(01:04:57):
but it almost works. And like, I think what's really
interesting is that even though her shtick is gaslighting, she
treats Kevin's d I D seriously. She doesn't like considering
the history of D ID that, Like, for so long

(01:05:21):
people said they were faking it, wasn't real, or they
were just schizophrenic, anything like that. It's probably still not
taken seriously, you know today. I mean, it's getting better,
there's more awareness, there's better treatments, coping mechanisms for it,

(01:05:45):
but there's still especially in like court, people, if someone
tries to use D idea as a defense, it probably
won't work. They'll say they're just faking it. So it's
amazing to me that this woman whose big thing is gaslighting.
She does not try to convince this person that they
don't have d ID, so she accepts it and treats

(01:06:07):
all of the identities as individuals and knows the stuff
about them and is like even trying to psychologically treat
each one. She starts talking to Hedwig and she's like,
you're nine right forever, no matter how many experiences. That
must be horrible, like like I never thought about that,

(01:06:32):
Like I don't need is that how it works? If
somebody with the ID has a child identity, does that
identity never grow up? It's a very interesting concept, and
I love that they explored that a little like that.
Her take on it was never being able to grow
up was horrible, And mister Glass is like, well, then

(01:06:52):
your superpower is that you see the world for what
it really is. Because that's true. Children they don't have
misconceptions about it. They just see things as they are
because they don't have some preconceived notion about it, like
racism is something that's taught kids. Young kids don't understand
racism until their parents tell them they're supposed to be

(01:07:14):
like this. So that's an interesting double sided look at
this same state of being and I liked that.

Speaker 4 (01:07:24):
So she reminded me.

Speaker 2 (01:07:27):
So much of Mother Goffle, which is what made her
the worst villain in this whole movie for me. Just
like I mean, if you look at the Harry Potter series,
of all, obviously Voldemort is the big bad villain, but
if you really ask people who was the most horrible
character in all of Harry Potter, it was Dolores Umbridge.

(01:07:49):
She is one of the most hated characters in literature.
It's because she's real and she also uses gaslighting.

Speaker 4 (01:07:58):
It is awful.

Speaker 2 (01:08:00):
Now, I just want to talk a little bit about
this what I have dubbed the Clover Society and the
most subtle secret organization behind everything. Like they threw this
in here. It felt like a last minute add and
for some reason, the thing that is the least explained

(01:08:23):
made the most sense to me.

Speaker 4 (01:08:26):
They show this three.

Speaker 2 (01:08:27):
Leaf clover tattoo, and everybody has a three leaf clover tattoo,
and the very first time I watched this movie, it
just clicked with me. It made perfect sense because four
leaf clovers, they're not a different breed I don't know
of plant. They aren't their own plant. They are a
mutation of three leaf clovers. They're extremely rare because they

(01:08:51):
aren't supposed to exist. They are so hard to find.
They are on mutation. So this three leaf clover society
is looking for the four leaf clovers, the rare mutations,
and they are trying to get rid of it because
that is not supposed to exist. And I feel like

(01:09:12):
I'm like one in a thousand people who probably got
that on their own. Again, this whole you need to
explain things more Like I understood why the three leaf clover.
I understood that their purpose was to get rid of,
or at least hide the existence of these rare beings.

(01:09:36):
But I don't think it really read for the masses.
And I think it's an interesting concept. I think it's
like in comic book style. I think it's a great
villain organization, and I think we're great in a in comics,
a serialized form comics, or a TV show. Honestly, I

(01:09:58):
don't know if Shamlan has done a TV series, but
I feel like instead of making this into a movie trilogy,
he should have been making this into a TV series.
I think this world would work great as a TV series,
especially with this awful villain, doctor Ellie Staple, played brilliantly

(01:10:20):
by the way.

Speaker 3 (01:10:22):
Sarah Pauls did a great job. And so I guess
the follow up question there to you, Christine, So do
you think that ultimately our director overestimated the intelligence of
his audience?

Speaker 2 (01:10:33):
Oh, on this point, yes, on the three leaf clover
thing that I just happened to have enough knowledge on,
but going into this to really understand, I think he
overestimated the intelligence of his audience.

Speaker 4 (01:10:49):
The rest of the movie.

Speaker 2 (01:10:50):
I think he underestimated the intelligence of his audience because
all of us are going, why is this happening? Why
are you doing it? Like this doesn't make any sense?
And we're all right, We're all right on those points.
So it's so unbalanced in all of this.

Speaker 3 (01:11:09):
I think unbalanced is definitely the right words. Yeah, I
definitely think the awesome moments where he underestimates and other
times where he overestimates, and the Keith what did you
make about a good doctor?

Speaker 5 (01:11:21):
This is another one of those missed opportunities. As was
pointed out, she does care about their mental well two
of their mental well beings, the third ones Glass and
she thinks he's a lost cause. But the fact that
she does show genuine sympathy and does try to work

(01:11:43):
with I'm not gonna say cure, but work with and
help them quote unquote realize that they're not actually superheroes
or just individuals with the psychosis. This would have been
amazing if they again missed Thread brought it back to
the therapist that he was seeing in Split and find
out that's her daughter or niece or nephew related to her,

(01:12:07):
and she is in the therapy field for DID or
different personality disorders because she does consider this more of
a personality disorder. And when her grandmother aunt whoever this
figure is, heck mother dies, she gets recruited by the
Clover organization, and that's why she creates these procedures and

(01:12:32):
all these types of treatments to treat these super powered individuals.
And that would have made so much more sense because
you just meet her and she's like, I'm going to
try to cure them. Why what did they ever do
to you? And that would have been the reason for
her not necessarily becoming a villain. But as I've stated

(01:12:53):
on other episodes, the villain always thinks they're the hero
in their own delusion, So in her mind, she he's
curing this disease of superpowered beings and the weird laser
that she had to bottomize Samuel Jackson's character, and all
the treatments shows she's capable of planning for these different

(01:13:17):
power sets or abilities and even worked out a potential
cure or whatever you want to call it for two
of them. Why they gave her three days? Nobody freaking knows.
She just walks and goes, I have seventy two hours
to cure you guys, why where's the fire? They're already
an asylum. They find them clinically insane.

Speaker 4 (01:13:38):
You cure in seventy two hours.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Now I get a flu shot. I'm laid up for
two days, and you want to cure dude's d I
D and you know a weekend. No, it's not how
this works. So and then the fact that she creates
this procedure to fix Samuel's glass character and then doesn't

(01:14:00):
bother to check the laser at all once before using it.
She's like, Okay, it's gotta work. Click, and we're just
gonna off to the races. Like I'm sorry, you come
up with this crazy medical procedure that you've literally never
done before. You would be harping over that machine like
it was your firstborn child. You would be going over
the fine tooth comb checking it, triple checking, quadruple chack,

(01:14:23):
like literally going to hound on this. And the fact
that he comes rolling in his wheelchair and figures out
what this machine does in like fifteen minutes and how
to circumvent it in five with essentially a stick of
chewing gum, Like, come on, if she was so hell bent,
for lack of a better term, uncarrying.

Speaker 4 (01:14:43):
The glass, I missed the gum.

Speaker 5 (01:14:46):
You missed the gum. It was in the other armress
where one had pillow, the other one head and gun.

Speaker 4 (01:14:50):
Course.

Speaker 5 (01:14:51):
Yeah, that's how he kept breaking out. He's essentially mcguiver.
He has gum, a bobby pin, and half a toothpick,
and the dude's gonna build a bo I'm gonna bow
up the world. So it's just the fact that he
was and I'm not saying Glass is not a hyper
intelligent individual, I'm not just crediting that, but he sees
the machine for like thirteen seconds, it's like I got it.

(01:15:14):
I just gotta pop this thing out, spin around backwards,
spin on it three times, and it's not gonna do shit.
To my brain, No, that's like that's Macbeth.

Speaker 3 (01:15:23):
Fair.

Speaker 5 (01:15:24):
So it's just like that that was just one of
those really wonky or the fact that she's like, Okay, Glass,
I have set up nine hundred and seventy two cameras
that watches every single movie all the time except when
you break out, and we have no security guards on staff,
and we don't report when the door's open, or like
literally ninety seven different other things that potentially goes wrong.

(01:15:46):
But she literally like walks in explains to him how
to outsmart her without realizing it. It just shows that
again he had a great idea and then realized, shit,
I have to end this story somehow, so everybody's gonna
get turning into idiots at this point in time, she just,
you know, exposition dumps about everything in the hospital. The

(01:16:10):
dude broke out three times. He knows everything, Like he's
not gonna be an idiot and be like, oh, look
cameras and like wil back into his room. He's going
to figure out how to use them. And apparently he's
gonna figure out how to hack a computer, how to program,
how to set up a website, how to stream and
I don't know order. Uber eats all in like an

(01:16:30):
hour and a half of being out of his jail.
Cell I all right, he had a hamburger just in
case somebody asks. So it's just I will appreciate the
fact that she has that realization while it is too
late what happens. It's the fact that she does realize
something has happened, and then without the leak on the internet,

(01:16:51):
she goes back to the asylum and says, hey, just
for shits and giggles, can you do me favorite and
check this thing. And the it guy is like, oh, yeah,
it was uploaded to this website and blah blah blah blah. Meanwhile,
they don't do anything to take that website down. They're
just like that's fine, nobody's gonna see this, not a
big deal. Like what the like all he had to do,

(01:17:14):
this it guy was get that website taken down. And yes,
I understand it's not as easy as the sounds, but
there are easy ways to get websites taken down. If
they're this superpower organization, they could have picked up the
phone and be like, crap's been leaked on the internet,
go take down We're all superheroes. Dot com now and

(01:17:34):
then that's it. We're done. Like so, it's just it's
weird that she just kind of like throws her hands up, like, well,
I lost off to the next thing, and you're like, okay,
you did. You really should eat your job, Like they
should have fired her at that point or killed her
or lobottomized, like, I have no idea.

Speaker 2 (01:17:53):
What has the superpower of gas lighting? They can't fire her.

Speaker 5 (01:17:57):
Well, so does the magic mirror and snow White. But
you know he gets as crap f up at some point.
So it's the power of gas lighting propels you or
compels you.

Speaker 3 (01:18:09):
It compels you.

Speaker 5 (01:18:10):
Yeah, I know what it was. I'm just being funny
gas like compela. I'll see myself out.

Speaker 3 (01:18:18):
Kids as bar mitzvahs and weddings, folks, I do. I'll
be here all week.

Speaker 5 (01:18:24):
Try the veal.

Speaker 3 (01:18:28):
Thank you. That was well, that was very very well
said that, Keith. And because I was also of one
of the same things. That was the purpose of of
DTR Staple, other than of course being our antagonist. And
she mentions the fact, I mean we learn as literally
towards the last five minutes of the movie that she
decided to use the power of gas lighting because in

(01:18:50):
her twisted mind, she sees the most humane way to
deal with these mutations, as you know, which I think
is a great way that you know, you refer to them, Christine,
and I think that's the whole concept. I definitely agree
that is the concept of the Clover Society is just
that is to weed out any mutations or anything that
is different, and once again, I think possibly maintaining a

(01:19:13):
world order. Granted, we don't know how powerful this Clover
Society is. I guess we can assume that they are.
And I guess at the top level of may they
run governments or they pull the strings when it comes
to politics. Nobody knows that. I guess we can assume
that if we go with the theory of when to
suppress the truth to keep maintain a world order, that

(01:19:37):
they are within the hierarchy of places that matter, you know,
once again, politics, capitalism, you name it. And so I
think that is their whole concept, that we don't want
this order to be ruptured in any way by people
Discovering that superheroes exist always makes me think of some
of the conspiracy theories of why the government isn't allowing

(01:19:58):
us to know that aliens exist. Now they apparently the
true made it official that aliens exist. Nobody cared, So
there you go. So it might be the same thing
with supers, like, oh, they're people with abilities. Okay, what's
for dinner? So I guess it could very much be
that case. But her whole stick is just that is,
you know, she's been tasked with this job of weeding

(01:20:19):
out these characters, but she wants to go the humane
way of trying to literally, I guess, gaslight them, a
mess with their minds so that they forget or they
think that they don't have these powers and so they
just got from their merriag little way rather than killing.
Because she stresses the fact of I don't really like
killing people, and this was obviously the extreme choice of

(01:20:42):
killing everybody else because everybody got out and so they
kind of had to take those measures. It is a
shame once again, because Sarah Paulsen is a fine, fine actress,
and yeah, I think I think she got a decent
amount to do and was able to show her acting
chops and I was I did appreciate the whole all,
you know, the way she gaslights so well in the

(01:21:03):
sense that she's she's very good at playing a villain,
and she clearly shows this in this film. But once again,
it would have been nice to maybe get to know
a bit more about this Clover organization, what their deal
is and such. But it is Charmlan, so he does
tend to leave things very nebulous. In general with his films.
There are moments where he might he literally doesn't explain it.

(01:21:25):
You know, we talked about this for of course of
this review. He leaves he either overestimates the intelligence of
his audience or he underestimates it, and so he's like, yeah,
we won't we'll explain that way. Nobody's gonna know, nobody's
gonna care. And and so we're here asking these questions
which will likely never find an answer unless if we
do get a serialized version of these events, which would

(01:21:46):
be kind of cool. And once again I agree with you, Christine,
serialized it would probably work much much better compared to
what we got. But hey, we got to once again,
we've got to see Sarah Poulsen doing her thing, and
it was great to see. So is there anything else
you guys would like to bring up that we didn't
necessarily touch up on the talk about before we get
to ratings.

Speaker 5 (01:22:06):
I know one where do we think the Secret Clover
organization came from. I'm thinking Scotland because the whole Clovers
and everything, because that would have been well or Ireland,
just Ireland, the Celtic region of the world. And I
bring this up because of the fact that magic and
this could have all been like an offshoot of some
weird magical shenanigans. And that's why they're here, is because

(01:22:28):
gods and monsters and deities, you know, the whole Greeks
and everything. You think, like Hercules, he was the son
of a god, but before he started down that path,
they could have killed him and no Hercules or no Xyz.
So the fact that they this Clover and yes, I'm
reading so much more into this, but because we have
literally nothing to go on, I'm going to play the

(01:22:50):
conspiracy game that they've been creeping around for you know,
a couple dozen years, and they just pick them off
as they find them. And that's why you don't really
hear much other than the comic books and the creators
of these comic books. Maybe it's the conspiracy theorist trying
to let the world know that heroes exist, but not
telling them directly, like Hey, Joe down the street, Candrito

(01:23:13):
see through walls. Nope, But if you introduce a character
that can see through walls, you're like, oh, that's believable.
So you know, maybe they're trying to trickle it out,
like there's some dark web conspiracy shenanigans, And that's where
the comic books are coming from, because again, each character
conveniently found a comic book based on his or her partner,
significant other, parent, child, whatever the case may be. They

(01:23:35):
found the specific story they needed at that moment in time,
which lends itself to, you know, somebody guiding them.

Speaker 7 (01:23:44):
All.

Speaker 3 (01:23:44):
Right, good, very good stuff for sure. I mean it
would be kind of cool if you had like the
resistance as in the comic book writers and creators and
the clever organization being the bad guys. Christina, do you
have anything else you wanted to man?

Speaker 2 (01:23:56):
Yeah, Earlier you had mentioned about mister Glass about how
he always wanted to be a creator, create something of
his own, and it made me think of well, podcast reviewers, like, honestly,
there's this whole group of people who review in art.

(01:24:18):
You know, he knew everything about comic books. He appreciated
the artwork. Knew what made things work, what was so
compelling about these stories, And honestly, man, just like podcast reviewers,
stick to reviewing because you know, it's really hindsight is
twenty twenty. It's good to you can easily see what

(01:24:38):
worked and what didn't work with a movie. Doesn't mean
you can write your own. So you key for me wrong.
But yeah, that's my thought on that. If sometimes if
you are really good at reviewing something about you know,
critiquing something after the fact, after it's been made, it

(01:25:03):
doesn't mean you're going to be a good creator yourself.

Speaker 3 (01:25:07):
I very much agree, because I don't see myself directing
a movie anytime single writing a movie anytime soon. But
I guess here we are, so I guess, like you said,
if you're very passionate about something, and you know you've
done your homework and taught and seen a million of
them and know your stuff, you can still talk about.
But like you said, that necessarily make those who are

(01:25:29):
experts or passionate about these things good at the actual job.
If you were like art critics, I don't know how
many would be able to even paint a picture for
that matter, but they're any good at their jobs.

Speaker 4 (01:25:41):
A and the reverse is true too.

Speaker 2 (01:25:43):
I find that a lot of artists are not good
at reviewing other people's art. They're you know, sometimes they're
too polite because they've done work themselves and they wouldn't
want to hear bad things about their own work, so
they don't want to share bad things somebody else's when
sometimes you need to hear what's bad about something to improve.

(01:26:05):
So there's a place for both things in this world.

Speaker 3 (01:26:08):
Very well said. I think, you know, constructive criticism is
always a good thing, you know, as long as it's
not mean spirited or anything like that. I think it
definitely can help to improve when it comes to this
art form that we all know and love so much.
So I guess let's see how much we loved this movie.
Let's get to ratings that Keith, what do you give

(01:26:28):
this movie out of ten?

Speaker 5 (01:26:34):
I don't know.

Speaker 4 (01:26:37):
It's hard. It's hard. You don't want to be too hard,
but you don't be too nice.

Speaker 5 (01:26:42):
Right, I don't want to give be like it's a
two because it's not terrible, because again, the cast does
a wonderful jobjection, you know, michaelvoy the fact that he
has apparently what twenty six different personalities and had to
learn Spanish and all the crazy languages just to yell
at somebody for thirty seconds. They did. They definitely help

(01:27:06):
with the movie. But the story is just so like
I wrote it while drunk one night on a napkin
kind of level of intelligence. I'm gonna be mean, it's
a six and a half. Like I can't even give
it like a passing grade. It's a six and a half.
It could have been so much better if he just
literally gave, you know, a little bit more of an

(01:27:28):
effort while writing this movie and or directing it.

Speaker 4 (01:27:32):
I don't know at school you went to, but that
is a passing grade.

Speaker 5 (01:27:35):
Sor right, fine, it's a sixth.

Speaker 2 (01:27:37):
Still it would have to be a five point nine,
five point nine it failed.

Speaker 5 (01:27:41):
You want fid Okay, Well, I'm gonna be that kind
of guy five point eight five.

Speaker 4 (01:27:48):
Because he wants to fail it.

Speaker 5 (01:27:50):
My final grade five point eight five.

Speaker 3 (01:27:53):
Yeah, because I was just wondering, because I was gonna
say yes, I guess I was about to say good
on you, Keith, because I guess this be we're going
to summer school. But I guess it is going to
be going to some school.

Speaker 5 (01:28:03):
Yeah, I mean, essay, now, two thousand words.

Speaker 3 (01:28:06):
There you go on my desk tomorrow and Christine, what
do you give this one?

Speaker 2 (01:28:13):
I am a little kinder because I do give a
lot to the acting in this and the intriguing concepts
that were presented and the fact that we were able
to talk so much about it because there is so
much intriguing material. It is discussion worthy and it makes
you want to see more. So I am giving this

(01:28:35):
seven out of ten forced awkward cameos because my god,
this is probably the first time that he's reprised a cameo,
and it would have been fine if he didn't like
call it out, like, hey, yeah, I think I saw
you in that last movie, and uh, you know, I
know I was a different type of person than that, and.

Speaker 4 (01:28:56):
Like, don't shut up, just shut up. You didn't need
to force feed us, thank you.

Speaker 5 (01:29:05):
So not.

Speaker 3 (01:29:06):
He could have just left it to your dad wants
to go take a walk, Let him take a walk.

Speaker 4 (01:29:10):
Yeah, that works. That worked for me.

Speaker 3 (01:29:14):
I totally agree. I'm actually going to give this a
passing grade myself. I am going to give this a
seven out of ten, especially once again, yes, because of
the actors who did their best when it came to
a bad job, especially when it came to writing. And yes,
you know, Christina make a great point there, this isn't
a nothing burger. Next necessarily, I think it's just too

(01:29:34):
many toppings on this burger to where you don't know
what it tastes like, where all the flavors are kind
of buying for for kind of to be the flow
of the evening.

Speaker 2 (01:29:45):
I'm not sure if we had a cow burger or
a lamb burger. Okay, that it was so buried and.

Speaker 5 (01:29:50):
Shit, Lambergers are amazing.

Speaker 4 (01:29:54):
I'm just saying I couldn't tell what I was eating
because of all the toppings.

Speaker 7 (01:29:58):
I or.

Speaker 3 (01:30:01):
That's why I think is the problem is literally it
was there was just too many toppings, and you know,
is it spicy? Is it sweet? Is it? You know?
What what am I? What am I eating when I'm
putting in my mouth here? So I think that is
the big problem with this film is it's trying to
do a lot and too much, and it just it
just becomes incredibly convoluted and none, none of everything cancels
each other out or you're just not getting the point.

(01:30:24):
So I guess I appreciate the effort, but it could
have definitely been been structured way way better. So it's
a seven out of tenth than me. So thus getting
to recommendations, Keith, is there anything you would like to
recommend to the listeners this week if in fact they
did enjoy our movie today?

Speaker 5 (01:30:46):
Yes, see professional help. No. I have a shockingly long
list of could have been better types of movies. If
you do like The rabbit Hole of d I D
style movies with John Cusack, I love that movie. It's
another one of those movies that nice. Yeah, I own it.

(01:31:09):
If you want crappy superhero movies, Chronicle Found Footage, or
as I like to call it, a waste of my
time because that movie is terrible. Hancock is another one
that I recommend. It's kind of done in the same
vein where superheroes but not superheroes and you know, blah
blah blah. I caught myself. It's not five, it was
only three. And if you want something a little more

(01:31:33):
grounded or more than you know, a day kind of situation,
some TV series would be Jessica Jones. That's another one
that is superhero based and deals with a lot of trauma,
so much trauma same thing with Daredevil, and I know
I'm stealing everybody's thunder, but that's why you don't ask

(01:31:53):
me to go for it first. If you want some
really tortured souls, go watch the Boys, but don't watch
it alone because it's kind of traumatic.

Speaker 2 (01:32:04):
Also, don't you know, eat anything questionable for your stomach,
because it's coming back up, coming back up.

Speaker 5 (01:32:12):
And then if you want something with weird special powers
and abilities, there was an old TV show on Sci
Fi called Alpha's Alphs Alpha Like Alphabet that was an
interesting take on superpowers that was more of it's hard
to explain. You just have to watch the show, but
it's superhero adjacent.

Speaker 3 (01:32:35):
Steal any of mine daily ago, we sometas recommendations indeed,
and yes, we definitely love Kristin Ritta and no matter
what she is, did a great job in Dexter Resurrection. Recently,
mind you, and Piney will be returning to dare Level
Born again, so there's that to look forward to. Christine,
what would you like to recommend?

Speaker 2 (01:32:54):
Well, the first one is the one I thought of last,
like the very last minute, right before we started recording,
and at this point I'm not even sure why it
works as a recommendation, but fight Club, you know the
there's a little that a little of that going on,
but the twist that actually lands at the ending. Another

(01:33:17):
one dealing with superpowers and trying to get a handle
on them. Fire Starter, Stephen King's fire Starter.

Speaker 4 (01:33:28):
I haven't seen the new one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:29):
I can definitely recommend the old one.

Speaker 4 (01:33:32):
That's a good one.

Speaker 2 (01:33:34):
These next two I got off of the internet because
I was struggling to find recommendations, but definitely if you
like the messed up mental hospital theme going on there,
twelve monkeys, time travel stuff going on in there. But
it's still got that vibe, you know that what the

(01:33:54):
hell is going on here? Vibe and mentioned earlier one
flew over the Cuckoo's Nest because that's classic mental hospital
craziness going on in there, where you really can't trust
the doctors.

Speaker 4 (01:34:05):
I guess yes, Keith.

Speaker 5 (01:34:08):
I got another one, and this is gonna be an
all deep cut for me. Dreamscape. If you don't know
what that's about, oh, you need to watch it. It's
in the same vein as your fire Starter.

Speaker 3 (01:34:20):
Good. I would definitely have to add that to my
watch list then, because I love fire Starter, so I
do not know of this dreamscape, so I'll define that
one out and yeah, I guess the piggyback off of
what Christine was mentioned about one few Over the Cookoo's
Nest fantastic fantastic film No Surprise literally swept the Oscars
that particular year. I would definitely check out the spin

(01:34:42):
off show Ratchet, with starring Sarah Paulston, of course, who
plays the titular character. And believe you me, she gets
that she has some really crazy shenanigans. You thought Nurse
Ratchet was horrible in One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest,
every check out what she what she gets up to
in Ratchet. I would also add, as I mentioned earlier,
Doom Patrol if you've never seen that show, another fabulous show.

(01:35:05):
And if you like the whole concept of you know,
we had to hear the light when it came to Kevin.
There you have the underground with Crazy Jane, and I
think that the concept as I mentioned during courses review,
are very similar, but once again so splendidly splendidly played
by one actress. So it's worth it just for that,
that just for the crazy Jane when it comes to that,

(01:35:27):
and I think that's you. Guys, covered pretty much all
the other ones I was I was thinking of, but
I would definitely throw those at you if you have
not seen them. And yes, I cannot say enough good
things about one flew over the cookies and amazing, amazing stuff. So,
of course, folks, if you do want to weigh in
with your thoughts on the movies we discussed here, you
can do so by shouldn't email to Happiness and Darkness

(01:35:50):
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(01:36:12):
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done so. In the future, thank you to those.

Speaker 2 (01:36:25):
Tell your gaslighting therapists.

Speaker 3 (01:36:29):
That's right. Especially tell your gas lighting therapists they're going.

Speaker 5 (01:36:33):
To tell me it's not a real podcast, then they're
going to gaslight me.

Speaker 3 (01:36:36):
Yes, this is all imagine, this is all in our minds,
This is not hasn't happened. We're all asleep at this point,
and we were having the same dream.

Speaker 2 (01:36:43):
I believe you are asleep, Nick, Yes i am.

Speaker 3 (01:36:47):
But speaking of while we're being asleep and having the
same dream, Christine, when you are either sleeping or awake,
where do you want folks to find you on the interweens?

Speaker 2 (01:36:57):
That's a stretch, I'm sorry, real fast. Yeah, you find
me on the podcast Small Council Matters, which is currently sleeping,
where we discuss all Game of Thrones shows, House in
the Dragon and Night A Night of the Seven Kingdoms
will be coming out next year and we will follow,

(01:37:18):
but our old shows.

Speaker 4 (01:37:19):
Are always available.

Speaker 2 (01:37:21):
I do occasional guest spots here, Gold Standard, Next Stop
Everywhere and Drunk Cinema. You can follow me on Blue
Sky at c R Peruski. I'm sure that'll be in
the show notes so you don't have to figure out
how to spell my last name. And you can also
check out my portfolio site Christine Peruski dot x y Z.

(01:37:42):
Look for an update in a couple of months.

Speaker 3 (01:37:46):
Very exciting. So on that Cliffhanger Keith the weackon Folks
Find You.

Speaker 5 (01:37:51):
Apparently, I'm working on my first movie. It's going to
be about superheroes and conquering the world. It's going to
be there's also gonna be a companion Colum Book starting
a new company. It's gonna be called four Shells. You
can figure out why based on last week's review. When
I'm not doing that, I'm currently training. I think it's
like fourteen AI's two of them for world domination, the

(01:38:12):
rest for creating more podcasts. And when I'm not doing
any of that, occasionally I pop up on Gold Standards fans.
I have a spectacularly bad movie I have picked out
for them for next year. I cannot wait, Christine. I
sent it to you so you can laugh and cackle.
When I'm not doing that, our comics is upon us.
I will be on an episode coming up this week

(01:38:34):
or next week soon in the near future, and then
Star Trek the Undiscovered podcast. You can find me there occasionally,
and I think I'll be showing up at least once
or twice next season. And then when I'm not doing
any of that, I'm sleeping because I work too damn much.

Speaker 3 (01:38:50):
Yes, you definitely work way too that much for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:38:52):
Making sleeping You should try it sleep.

Speaker 3 (01:38:56):
I know I have heard of this sleeping thing. I
think I'm top try it's it's it's a well, it's
my it's on my on my list, on my wish list,
or am I to do this? I suppose We'll get
there eventually. But when I'm not attempting to sleep, folks,
you can find it my day job hosting the radio
show Whiskey and Cigarettes, where we play the very best

(01:39:16):
and nothing but the best of country music for you
guys from Malabama to Bailey Zimmermann. And more information about
that you can vis our website which is Whiskey and
Cigarettes show dot com. Podcast Wise, you can also find
myself and those two lovely ladies on the aforementioned gold standard,
the Oscars Movie Podcasts me Zan Sprouse and Rachel Friend,
where we have reviewed all the Best Picture winning movies

(01:39:37):
in chronological order. Now as we wait for the NINETIETHH
Best Picture reveew itself, which will be this coming March,
so not that far to go. As of this recording,
we are now reviewing movies that we have picked and
we also have returning in new guest co hosts bring
their favorite movies to the gold Standard Theater. Recently, mister
Charles Skaggs joined us to review his pick, which was
seven of Course, the fantastic David Bin film. Coming up

(01:40:01):
next we will be reviewing a movie that Rachel chose,
and that is the Jordan Peel twenty seventeen film Get Out,
So and there'll be a lot to unpack when it
comes to that one. And speaking of Charles Skaggs, him
and I can be also found on the fandom Zone
podcast where we have reviewed the second season of Sandman
and have now moved on to discuss the second season

(01:40:23):
of Peacemaker. We reached to review the first episode and
coming up we'll be episode of Course number two, so's
we'll see what we make of that. And speaking things
to come on this show. Next time, we will be
reviewing the two thousand and eight Tim bickmum mailedoff film Wanted.
I have never seen this film. I learned of its

(01:40:44):
existence today, so I'm devery looking forward to unpacking it.
So first off, for Christine, thank you so much for
joining us today. Was It's always a pleasure to have
you on behalf of myself and Keith. We really appreciate
your insights and of course your bubbly personality, so it's
always a joy and pleasure to join us, and we
look there looking forward to having you returning sooner rather

(01:41:05):
than later.

Speaker 2 (01:41:06):
Well, I'm always shocked when you're happy to have me on,
so I thank you.

Speaker 3 (01:41:12):
You're very very welcome. So, mister Bliss, as you alerted
my attention to this movie, any thoughts on it or
anything else before we sign off?

Speaker 5 (01:41:21):
This will be interesting because it's a's a movie in
the McElvoy wheelhouse of Shenanigans in his younger career. So McAvoy,
I've seen it. I own it, so you know that
that's says what says it'll be interesting because apparently I
just need to start traumatizing you with more weirder movies

(01:41:42):
because I own it.

Speaker 2 (01:41:45):
Literally took it out of the plastic today when it
was mentioned, So that also says something.

Speaker 5 (01:41:51):
Well, that's the personal issue there, Champ.

Speaker 3 (01:41:55):
Wow. Well, I guess we'll have a lot to talk about,
and I believe this might actually be the first time
discuss a movie by a Kazakh Russian director. As I mentioned,
mister Bachman bit off, so I guess we'll see what
we make of it. So that said, folks, thanks to
ye listens and supporting us. We will see you next
time with wanted. Until then, thank you so much for
a privilege of your time. Stay super chatter, the be

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