Last Action Hero (1993)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:04):
A great classic comes to the screen.

Speaker 2 (00:11):
Tay thy hand, fair, praise you said.

Speaker 3 (00:14):
I'm fair to be or not to be?

Speaker 4 (00:24):
Not to be.

Speaker 5 (00:27):
Columbia Pictures is proud to present the screen's greatest action hero,
Jack Slater.

Speaker 1 (00:36):
Don't ever thrack a little. This is lit. Here's what
I mean.

Speaker 5 (00:40):
The Governor gets here, call me and Danny Madigan is
his biggest fan.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Jack slave, But tonight, a magic ticket is a passport
to another world.

Speaker 5 (00:54):
We'll get Danny closer to the action than anyone ever dreamed.

Speaker 1 (01:06):
Holy child, are you.

Speaker 5 (01:14):
Kid and you're going with him?

Speaker 6 (01:19):
I don't even know this.

Speaker 1 (01:20):
Kid to a world that's bigger than life. This ticket,
it's magic and it really works and better than real.
You really believe that you're inside a movie, don't you?

Speaker 6 (01:30):
Yes, the guys are in there. I've seen it on screen.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
I could have speak to the drug you love the house.
Please have a nice day. Have it killed? This summer
gets head on thrillers.

Speaker 5 (01:42):
That I have killed people smarter and younger than you.

Speaker 1 (01:47):
Head first excitement.

Speaker 3 (01:51):
I hate it when it happens.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
It's now. I pussess power, real power. It's going over
my world and this world. The bad guys can win
the door will still be overcord if I go, how
do I get back? And it's coming at you from
both sides of the screen where now this isn't the

(02:17):
movies anymore?

Speaker 7 (02:18):
Check please be careful.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Things were different here.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
Damn it, that's hurt.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Arnold Schwarzenegger is Jack Slater. This hero stuff has its limits,
and Jack Slater is everybody know, the last action hero,
the big ticket for ninety three.

Speaker 3 (02:42):
I'll be back. He did not gonna say that video.

Speaker 6 (02:47):
That's what you always say.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
I do.

Speaker 7 (02:53):
Shum up, people, and welcome to our three hundred and
fourth episode of Happiness and Darkness, the Superior Movie Podcast,
where we discuss here movies, Marvel, DC, dark Horse, Image
and beyond. Naturally, there will be spoilers, folks, so you
have been warned. Even though this movie is from ninety three.
I am one of your co hosts, Dijinick, and there's
always giining me is my superhero partner in crime, mister Keith.

(03:15):
But this, Hey Keith, how are you today?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
I'm doing very well today, Nicholas. I was having a
very hard day with a Tuesday and I mean I'm fine.
It's a crappy, rainy day here in North Carolina. Otherwise,
you know, it's business as usual, doing another podcast with
you and.

Speaker 7 (03:31):
Have you showing up your best Austrian accent there and
loved it for sure. I was kind of expecting it,
and I'm glad you shared it with the listeners and Keith.
Today we are not alone because today we have not one,
but two guest co hosts joining us today, the og
Dynamic duo Christine Peruski and Joe Feris. Hey, guys, how
are you and welcome back.

Speaker 6 (03:52):
I'm the famous mediaan Armald brownswagger.

Speaker 4 (03:55):
Gentlemen, since you were about to do a podcast anyway,
I will tell you the entire plot.

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Well the movie.

Speaker 7 (04:05):
I cannot do an Arnold interpretation into imtasion to save
my life, but you guys did fantastic, so at least
I died to have the new one becoming.

Speaker 6 (04:12):
Actually baffled by his Arnold impression because that was Benedict.

Speaker 4 (04:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Well there you go.

Speaker 7 (04:19):
Well, but today, folks, because the reason we're doing a
little bit of impressions is because today we are discussing
Last Action Hero from ninety three. This was directed by
John McTiernan. The story was by Zach Pen and Adam Leff,
while the screenplay was by Shane Black and David Arnott,
while the score was by my Masselokaiman and in Today's Man,
twenty Day's Money. This movie cost one hundred and ninety

(04:41):
million dollars to make and made three hundred and six
million at the box office, though apparently the producers were
not particularly happy with the with the box office. They
were hoping to get a little bit more, but it
did at least make its money back. So getting to
general impressions here, Christine, as you are one of our
two guests today, what are your general Pultson pressions on
Last Action Hero?

Speaker 6 (05:02):
First, my impressions on producers, welcome to America and capitalism.
I mean, was that like almost three times the original costs.

Speaker 7 (05:12):
It's not enough wine, moan.

Speaker 6 (05:15):
But Last Action Hero brings to like the turning point
in action movies, the extreme parody of the classic cheesy
action film juxtaposed with the grim reality of the real world.
We're sick of action movies that don't reflect how things
work in the real world, and we're gonna show why
they're stupid. So I love that, the depth of that,

(05:38):
but it also shows us the two sides of Hero.
Worship the Slater movie gives us clear, clear cut hero expectations.
This is how our hero should act, no matter the situation,
and he will always come out on top. The hero
doesn't feel fear, he just does the right thing. But
then we get the truth. Actions have consequences, and those
consequences cause fear and hesit. We get all of those

(06:01):
deep revelations along with some super meta action jokes and
sci fi multiverse hopping. So what's not to love? Especially if,
like me, you saw it when you were twelve?

Speaker 7 (06:14):
I definitely agree with you. There's definitely a big favorite
for a lot of us who were roughly around that age.
For Sule and Joe, what do you make of this one?

Speaker 4 (06:23):
Hampy, over the top and fun, everything from Arnold's entrance
to the multiple over the top action scenes to the
puns and meta jokes. As a kid, I love, love,
love this movie. As adult, I love it even more.
This was when it first came out a VHS frontal.
For me, that was how I first saw it. I
think that's how most people actually saw this movie that

(06:45):
I actually like it now, And I will tell you
my rental store did not look anything like the one
that features in this movie, and the people that worked
there did not look California enough.

Speaker 6 (06:55):
Well, you weren't in California, so I'll give them that.

Speaker 4 (06:59):
If we were in they'd all look like that. But
I do remember this movie was always on replay, either
on Cable or HBO MA or HBO Max from HBO
or Cinemax coming to the ball right. And the other
thing that I really thought was impressive was there's a
lot of really good actors in this movie for something
that's kind of cheesy and not really like a big

(07:22):
name movie per se.

Speaker 7 (07:24):
It's very true and all the cameos are just insane
when it comes to the folks. They actually had so
many cameos, which is probably why I guess the studio
was hoping that with all that star power ectually they
would make even more money, but I guess not. And Keith,
what were your thoughts on this one movie?

Speaker 3 (07:42):
Stupid No, I'm kidding is one of those things that
I haven't watched it in forever because, as you guys
had mentioned before, it was always on TV. It got
to the point where I was just nauseated with it.
I couldn't watch it anymore. So this is probably the
first time. I've watched it in her former many years,
and it's one of those things you notice things now

(08:04):
as cranky old people that you didn't notice when we
were like twelve thirteen. However we were when we watched
it the first time. Like his whole beginning of the movie,
he's always skipping school, he's going to these movies. He's
trying to escape his reality because he is crushing depression
due to the loss of his father. Well, when we're
twelve year old, we're like, it's a kid who likes

(08:25):
movies and he just likes Arnt Schwartzenninger's character bah bah,
and like you completely like gloss over the really sad
undertones of the beginning half of this movie, and then
it transitions into him meeting his icon and or his idol. Rather,
it's almost one of those things like you don't want
to meet your idol because he or she may not
live up to that expectations. Thankfully, he met his idol

(08:48):
in the in universe. So Slater was just completely unhinged, crazy,
which is what you expect from an action hero. And
he lived you know, he say has lived it. He
was written perfectly for that type of expectation, and it's
nice to see the rest of the world because when
you see watch a movie, you're like, Okay, this is

(09:09):
what we're this one camera and we don't know what's
going on in the rest of the office or the room.
This shows you the cause and effect. And there was
a little foreshadowing when they blurred out the end of
his previous movie and you didn't get or we did
not get to see it. But what's his face? That
annoying little pan the ass did and he already knew
what was happening, And you finally see that Slater's starting

(09:29):
to see you start you see Slater in a different
light where he's reacting to the crap that happened in
the last movie where his son dies. So we spoiled
two movies for you guys, just in case you're counting
at home, and you kind of start to see him
as more of a believable person or a relatable person
instead of just crazy wacko superhero, you know, action hero

(09:50):
guy who never gets hurt, so you see more of
the human element. And then when he does get pulled
into the quote unquote real world, he starts to develop
those other emotions and experiencing new things like listening to
classic music, and he's like, I don't know, I might
like it antally, and you're like, fair enough, because he's
never listened or done things outside of that small little

(10:10):
window that we see during the movie being played. So
it's nice to see his character kind of grow outside
of the initial goofy action hero with nine hundred and
seventy two thousand guns that never have to be reloaded.

Speaker 6 (10:22):
Bullets are for whimps, reloadings for losers.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
That is very true and very well said that Keith.

Speaker 7 (10:31):
I mean, it's interesting, you know, to watch this depending
on what age you watch, you like a quite a
few movies and see what you get out of it.
And you know, to Christine's point earlier, when I was,
you know, a young kid watching this year that was
all about the action, I wasn't necessarily paying attention to
what they were trying to tell us. And I think
ultimately that is why this movie did not do as
well as it was because to a certain extent, I

(10:51):
think it might have been ahead of its time. Because
at the end of the dame, if you watch it
now as the forty two year old that I am today,
the point that I think that to the John mctinna
and his writers trying to make.

Speaker 2 (11:03):
Is to literally satirize the tropes.

Speaker 7 (11:07):
And the conventions of so many action movies which we'd
had during the two decades of you know, between nineteen
eighty and early nineteen ninety, while trying to also I
think explore things like escapism and also the power of imagination.
And of course we would see that later on with
such things as even The Page Master, Down the Line
or other such films like that. And also I think
it's them The beauty of this film is so self

(11:29):
aware because it continuously reminds us that we are watching
a film, and I think it also plays with that
concept of, like you guys were pointing out of what
is reality in movies and what is reality within the
real world. And I love the fact that it's filled
with so many humorous references and parodies of you know,
common action movie tropes, you know, like the tough cop

(11:51):
with the tragic past, the over the top villain, and
so many impossible and improbable things. Everything is exploding. This
is a kind of movie that Michael they would make,
whereas everything just explodes for random reasons and had you know,
Michael Baby kind of doing movies already, it's like, ah,
you're maybe making a dig, digging a dig at him.
But also, as I said before, I think it also
very much explores the fact of escapism because we have

(12:13):
you know, and we'll talk about this integrated detail, you know,
with Danny's desire to escape into the world and movies
to Keith's point where he you know, it's the it's
where you can find solutions to his problems and maybe
experience a more exciting life because of the loss of
his dad. And then you know, there, as I said,
there's a power of imagination that you know that imagination
and fantasy can be incredibly powerful. But it also I

(12:35):
think acknowledges that if you live too much within the
fictional world, it can also be damaging. And also the
fact that it's not just a parody. I think it
also tries to be a heartfelt action movie, which I
think some people didn't really get and does I said before,
I think the big problem of this movie not doing
as well as it could have done is it was
so ahead of its time because of being so meta

(12:58):
and so self referent, that maybe that maybe folks at
the time in the mid nineties were not prepared already
to embrace something like this. I mean, now we've seen
it all over the place on.

Speaker 6 (13:09):
That's the bread and butter today like that exactly like
what makes a movie exactly when?

Speaker 7 (13:14):
And so you think how ahead of it it's time
it was. Now it would just be like, oh, it's
just another movie. But he was like it was revolutionary,
and I think it was maybe very much misunderstood.

Speaker 3 (13:25):
If you ask me.

Speaker 2 (13:26):
But yeah, I thoroughly.

Speaker 7 (13:27):
Enjoyed this film, and it's it's always it's always a
good time rewatching it. So I guess then let's get
to our characters on the board. Starting with our unlikely
buddy cops, we have the afore mentioned Arnold Schwarzenegger as
Jack Slater and Austin O'Brien as Danny Madigan. So, Joe,
starting with you, what did you make of Jack and Danny?

Speaker 4 (13:47):
Well, all I have to say is big the stick.
But at least when it comes to Arnold, you can
tell that this is such a playful, playful role for
him because he's making fun of himself. He's making fun
of his quote unquote genre, or at the least the
genre that he was really known for and he's making

(14:07):
fun of movies and everything like that. In general, he
really again, he loved this role. I mean I've read
that because he was a producer, he really pushed out.

Speaker 2 (14:19):
He did a ton.

Speaker 4 (14:20):
Of interviews, He did a lot of work to really
make this movie, at least in his way, be known
and get people excited for it. Unfortunately, just as long as.

Speaker 6 (14:31):
He doesn't plug the restaurants. I hate when he plugs
the restaurants.

Speaker 3 (14:35):
I love the restaurants.

Speaker 4 (14:38):
And it almost felt like in this movie he was
playing himself, not so much he's playing these characters, but
it was just playing himself, not anybody else. The callbacks
and everything that this movie that he did is just
over the top. It's great. But Danny, on the other hand,
I would see him if they were to make this

(14:58):
movie today as someone on this podcast getting insucked into
a movie, because it's just every movie fans dream that
probably go into one of these movies or a TV show,
something that is part of this genre. It doesn't even
have to be actually, it could be something sci fi
or Doctor Who, Star Trek Star Wars, any of these.

(15:23):
The only thing that can be a little maybe with
Danny is at the beginning. He's a little dnse that
he gets thrown into the movie, but I guess that
would make kind of sense, because it's kind of doesn't
make any sense why he's in this movie. He just
thinks somehow he got transported to Arnold in his car,

(15:43):
which I guess though. I mean, he kind of put
out the TNT with his bucket of popcorn.

Speaker 6 (15:51):
I did, but he didn't.

Speaker 4 (15:53):
It didn't very strange. I maybe maybe he's just supposed
to be the reporence of all of us. Really, one
thing that didn't get brought up or even kind of
made sense was Danny's hands were all cut up and bruised,
and obviously when he get into the movie everything was

(16:14):
back to normal backed fine, but we never really see
I guess maybe they were trying to say that because
he grew up in a rough part of town, maybe
he was in fights or something like that, but we
really don't see that. And the only time we see
him in the real world confronting a conflict, he strays away.
He doesn't actually grab the knife when the drug addict

(16:36):
runs into the apartments that he tries to leave, so
it almost feels like there was a missing point they
were trying to make, or at least wasn't a point
that they made clearly enough. Though watching him throughout the movie,
we do see him grow and it's nice to see that.
And at the end, yeah, he hopefully becomes a better

(16:56):
person and doesn't constantly go to the movies and skip school.
But yeah, that's what we all want to do anyway.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
This is very true.

Speaker 7 (17:05):
I think we could if we could be probably spending
more time at libraries, if cinemathiatis you name it, probably
and Keith, what did you make of Jack and Danny?

Speaker 3 (17:15):
I wanted to throw Danny off a roof. I'm just
gonna be honest. He was just spectacularly. He's the ripper.
He was just so irritating. He eventually catches on that
he's the idiot relief in the movie, which is at
that point he finally starts to kind of calm down
and go with the flow a little bit more. But

(17:36):
that initial, like you guys have pointed out, he gets
thrown in the movie and he's just like, I know
what happened.

Speaker 7 (17:41):
I know this.

Speaker 3 (17:41):
He's just going on and on and on and just like, dude,
shut up, please stop talking. Just oh, my God, I
love everything. Stop talking. And I don't know if it's
just his like high pitched pre pubescent voice that was
just irritating me. But most of the movie I'm just like,
oh God, please shut up. And that's why I think
what turned me off to this movie a million years

(18:01):
ago was just him in general. Again, he does eventually
grow up and grow out of his whatever you want
to call it, immaturity that he started out in the
beginning of the movie because he went from spectator to
participant and his brain couldn't translate that or transition from
one to the other because he wasn't expecting that because
at that point in time, magic was not real. And

(18:24):
this just kind of opens up so many other questions
after you watch this movie, like what else is magic
in this universe? Because if it's some silly ticket, like,
are there more things that are magic that can do
other things? So this was like one of those weird
could have spawned an entire series of other movies based
on this one stupid golden ticket and it just went nowhere.
I would be interested to see if he goes back

(18:46):
to watch this movie, since this iteration of Slater is
in this specific universe, I e. These roles of film.
Is he different than any other one? So like if
he goes to another movie theater and sees this movie,
is it going to be a total different Like I'm
just watching a movie.

Speaker 6 (19:01):
But when he goes to please please stop reading my notes,
stop it, I can't help it.

Speaker 3 (19:07):
I have I have ESPN, I have powers and abilities.
I'm not just a ripper. Yes, So that's it was
one of those things like watching it. That's I again.
When I watched this younger, I never thought of that stuff,
but like watching it now in my forties, being a
cranky old man who has a very broad imagination, was
thinking like, okay, is this going to be one of

(19:28):
the things like he goes back and like they just
sit there and talk about crap or something, like he
brings his We do find out and here's another spoiler kids, uh,
Death tells him that he's going to be a grandfather.
He's going to live, you know, all his days and
YadA YadA. Does he bring his grandkids to meet Jack
because they could be BFFs. Now, like all these questions,
it's just we're never going to find out. So I

(19:49):
it would be interesting to see if they do still
remain friends, Like does he go back and forth into
the universe or vice versa. You know, just how the
world could have changed, or how this character even grow more,
because by the end of the movie, Jack is almost
a character you can kind of relate with. He is
more He's a more grounded super or gonna say, severe

(20:10):
action hero. Where in the beginning he has all the tropes, smoking,
driving through everything like it's crazy Taxi the old video
game if anybody remembers that. But at the end he's
kind of more conscious of things and he's doing more
deliberate things. So it'd be interesting to see how things
may or may not have changed in that world.

Speaker 7 (20:29):
Very well said, and Christine, when Keith is not peering
at your notes.

Speaker 2 (20:33):
So what are you these two?

Speaker 7 (20:37):
Really?

Speaker 6 (20:39):
I'm gonna have to be careful when I get to
those parts of my notes. Okay, So, for one reason
this movie resonated with me so much is because I
was basically Danny obsessed with movies, talking about them all
the time. And now that you pointed out, I realize
I also didn't have a father growing up, so.

Speaker 7 (20:59):
That was me.

Speaker 6 (21:00):
Although I would never have cut school to go to
the movies.

Speaker 5 (21:03):
That was my.

Speaker 6 (21:05):
Druggie with a knife. I was afraid of it, so
I went to school, although I actually really liked school
because it was structured and I understood it. The world
is scary, as we've learned in this movie, and now
Keith said it, Joe said, I'm going to talk about
it too. Danny's grasp on the situation confuses me a bit, because,

(21:26):
unlike a lot of hyper fans, Danny has a clear
grasp of the difference between movies and real life. He
understands the rules of movies, and he understands how starkly
different from the rules of real life they are. You know,
he's saying, because this world stinks too true. But even
though he's instantly transported from a dingy movie theater in

(21:48):
New York at night to the middle of the day
la in the back of someone's car, he takes far
too long to realize that it's not Arnold Swarzenegger's car
and they're not on the set of a movie. And
then when he does realize it's a movie, he fails
the grasp. But these fictional characters have no reason to
believe what he's telling them. Why things may seem so

(22:09):
out of place in the real world, but that they
would seem normal to them, and they don't work as
movie proofs. Even though I highly doubt the Slater movies
would have had a cartoon cat. I wonder if the
ticket was actually working on pulling other worlds together and
like meshing them really well, Like was that cartoon cat

(22:29):
actually from that world? Was did Black and White Humphy
Bogart actually in that world or did they just start
to show up and they were accepted?

Speaker 3 (22:40):
But why would they accept that the cartoon character in
the Black and White Bogart and not the crazy kid?

Speaker 6 (22:45):
Fair point? Yeah, oh, but I thought he knew the rules.
But I am going to chalk it all up to
him being like eleven or twelve. So I mean, honestly,
as intelligent as the kid seems to be, he is
still a kid, and sometimes certain things take a little
I find understanding something in school is so much different

(23:08):
than understanding things in the real world, so like applying
those theories. But his clear grasp of the rules translates
very notably to his behavior in the real world. He's scared,
is complicit to criminal threatening his life. He walks hunched
over to avoid attention, and he even seems reluctant to
speak to his mother if he knows this is going
to be confrontational. Ats wiped away instantly when he realizes

(23:32):
he's in a movie. He's bold and daring and willing
to try new things. And by the end of the movie,
I think he was ready to be a little more
bold in his own world. We saw that in the theater,
like he was told stay here, but he decided to
go check that other balcony anyway, and we see him
sliding down the pole in that theater, and you know,

(23:55):
he looks very confident. Of course, gets himself in trouble
by doing it, but I really think by the end
of the movie, he's ready to actually be the action
hero that he saw in Slater. As speaking of Slater,
let's get to him. I have to mention the awful driving.
I love how they barely mention it at all. It's

(24:17):
just cars squealing tires and crashing in the background. And
I only notice this today. All the times I watch
this movie, I didn't notice the callback. Danny has to
drive an ambulance later in the movie and Jack asks
if he knows how to drive, and he says, sure
I watched you, didn't. I Flord have mercy on our souls.

Speaker 5 (24:36):
Now.

Speaker 6 (24:37):
I know, Arnold's the headliner and probably considered by most
to be the main character, but he really is just
a vehicle for Danny's growth and the message about hero worship.
I think Arnold was a little weak in this role.
Some of his lines are delivered very awkwardly. I will, however,
give him big kudos for all the self depreciating humor swapping.

(24:59):
Stillw for his role in Terminator calling himself Brown Swagen
like it was just so funny, even the serious moment
where he's talking to himself and he says, He've caused
me nothing but pain, Like this is a very deep
man and a very very positive man. You know, anybody
who can say things like themselves, that say things like

(25:21):
that about themselves, you know it is a very good person. Now,
you know, my lack of comments on the character really
come from his role in this meta movie. He's a
cliche action hero who by nature does not have much depth,
but because Danny is following him around, we probably see
a lot more about his personal life and thoughts than

(25:44):
we would in the original movie. Before Danny screwed it up.
And I think the reason his apartment is so bare
is because that the aspect of the character isn't really
fleshed out in the script. You know, they don't really
give him much of a backstory because he's just the
action hero. The longer he's around Danny, someone who treats

(26:04):
him like a real person, the more he becomes a
real person. And it escalates the moment he gets into
the real world and he starts to explore more things.
I like Mozart, so I think there were great influence
on each other, the two characters, Like anybody cop film,
you know, I do like that his experience isn't a

(26:26):
race by being sent back to his movie. The rules
of movies may still be the same, but he's changed.
And just like Keith, I was wondering if that changes
the film permanently or you know, and if it's just
this real, or if it affects other copies of the movie.
I mean, this is magic. How powerful is that magic?

(26:47):
These are questions that we will never get answered. It's
such a sad.

Speaker 7 (26:51):
Thing it very much is that we won't get any
follow ups to that, because, like you said, Christine, this
movie does leave a lot of questions when it comes
to you know, the the world building and I guess all
the law surrounding this film. I mean, it kind of
makes me think a little bit about when Keith and
I last week were joined by Holly to talk about
K Pop Demon Hunters and whether we will ever learn

(27:12):
any particular background behind some of the characters. Apparently there
are rumors that they will be making a sequel, even
a prepel to that, so I guess we might know
more about the K Pop Demon Hunters world, but sadly
not about the Last Action Hero world. And you know,
when it came to these two characters, I did bring
up a film like The Page Master, and it also

(27:32):
reminds me of something like never Ending Story as well,
because we are dealing with children here, or you know,
young kids who are dealing with loss, both when it
comes to bad I mean both, especially Bastion when it
comes to never ending story, where in this case it's
the mother that's no longer around, and he is very
much sucked into the concept of reading and books and

(27:52):
such to kind of use that as as escapism and
doesn't have a particularly good time at school.

Speaker 2 (27:57):
He's he's heavily bullied.

Speaker 6 (27:58):
When why did these kids always scared school for their escapism?
But why can't they just daydream?

Speaker 7 (28:04):
That's an excellent point. I guess it was very much
a thing. Speaking of movie tropes, I think that was
very much a movie trope at the time. It is
like single parent child finds escapism through the things that
they love and and don't feel comfortable being in a
situation like say a school or what have you. But

(28:25):
here the thing is, yeah, Danny uses movies to escape
from my possibly the trauma of losing his father, and
possibly might see a proto father figure in Jack Slater,
And I think it might be reciprocal because Jack might
see a potential son in Danny because in his movie
backstory he lost a child and Danny lost his father,

(28:46):
so it you know, so ultimately I think they do
begin to come become closer because of that reason, because
granted guests, Jack has has has a beautiful daughter and
what have you, but he lost a son. So it
does seem those two have loss in common which ultimately
will bring the together. And in fact, we do get
the scenario being played out again where it's Danny.

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Who's about to possibly lose his.

Speaker 7 (29:06):
Life, and Jack is confronting the man who killed or
you know, brought his son down with him. So that's
I think a big theme of this when it comes.

Speaker 2 (29:14):
To the heart of this film.

Speaker 7 (29:15):
Outside of that, I agree with you, Christine, there were
moments with Arnold's delivery which I was scratching my head on.
I was scratching my head because I'm like, how why
is he delivering it like this? Why is he saying
it like that? So either he was just really hamming
it up on purpose, because that was the concept of
the film, is like we're just going to go over

(29:35):
the top. But yeah, it didn't sit right with me either.
And yes, you know, to even Joe's point, I think
Danny is our POV character in this film because you know,
you think a lot of kids will be going to
see this film, so they kind of maybe feel like
Danny's like, oh, I'm being part of this greater world
and such, and and yeah, they both grow ultimately because
you know, to your point Christine earlier, the fact that

(29:56):
at first Danny doesn't seem prepared to face the real
world because of the horrors that it holds, but then
once he's out of this he definitely is more self
confident and more self assured. Once again, very similar to
Bastion when it comes to to leaving the universe and
never ending story, there is that very much, but there's
that similarity there, and I just love the chemistry the

(30:17):
two of them have, and yes, and how Arnold is
not has zero problems in making fun of himself. That's
something I've always appreciated about the man, and it works brilliantly.
Even when Jack ultimately realizes like it goes meets up
with Arnold Schwarzenegger and he's like, you're the reason I
feel so much pain.

Speaker 2 (30:35):
He has discovered so much more.

Speaker 7 (30:37):
About himself and the fact is like I'm a creation.
I'm not even a real person, And so that's incredibly
traumatizing for him as well, but he's getting to terms
with it. And yet then when he's back in the movie,
he's literally tearing everything apart, saying, oh this is this
doesn't matter, it's a film, It's okay. And the fact
that it's Danny who ultimately saves Jack's life, I think

(30:58):
is a huge cathartic moment for Danny, because the way
he's talking to Jack is almost like he's talking to
his father. Now we don't know, I believe how Danny's
father died, but the way it's he talks to Jack,
who's now injured in seems to be dying if he
doesn't get back into the movie world, it almoste is
like he's done this before, but maybe he had to
see his father die due to a violent crime, and

(31:20):
so it's a huge moment for him as well, and
I think that's what strengthens Danny as well. So I
can't say enough great things about it, Danny especially, and
said Arnold was good, but I agree with Christine, he
kind of took a back seat when it came to
some of the situations. And I love the fact that
in his closet all his clothes are the same. He
literally has the same red T shirt, same Jack at

(31:42):
same jeans, because when it came to the writing of
this character, didn't really think of what does Jack do
when he's not fighting crime or doing crazy things? So
absolutely brilliant, brilliant stuff.

Speaker 6 (31:52):
Yeah, so you mentioned that, Yeah, you mentioned that he
does also have a beautiful daughter, and I'm like, yeah,
but wasn't she retro actively created? I mean, I bet
she didn't exist in Slater one through three, and they
decided to add her. I mean she that was literally
her first movie. So they were probably just giving him
another attachment to be killed later off, because god knows,

(32:15):
this movie had to start with his favorite second cousin
being killed. Obviously, it was running out of connections they
needed a new one, which is just another drop in
the bucket of like horrible movie tropes, the things we
do to these characters to make the stakes more personal,

(32:37):
you know, things that are done to him.

Speaker 2 (32:39):
That's very true.

Speaker 7 (32:39):
In fact, Keith and I often bring up the concept
of fridging when it comes to certain characters to spur
the main character into action. So maybe had we have
you gotten future movies when it came to the state
of Universe, maybe his daughter would actually have been fridged
in order for him to then go on another vengeance
rampage or what have you, even though she seems like

(33:00):
she can hold her own. That's an excellent point that Christine.
I think it might have been a maybe they you know,
they fridged his son and now they're kind of going
to fridge his daughter at one point, could I could,
I definitely would wouldn't put past them seeing the narrative
of the nineties for sure. So let's get to the
man who gives Danny his tickets to movie Land. We

(33:21):
have Robert Prosky, a guy who's been in tons and
tons of things as Nick, not me, by the way,
So Keith starting with you, what did you.

Speaker 2 (33:29):
Make of Nick?

Speaker 3 (33:31):
He was okay, he was in the movie just enough
to explain whatever had to happen or had to be done,
or whatever the case may be. He was I'm not
gonna say the mcguffin, because that's really the ticket. He
is more of the just like, oh, we need to
get from pointing to point B, and we have to
explain how we got there. He's just there to give
you just enough exposition dump to keep the movie rolling

(33:53):
and keep it on pace to do whatever had to
be done, like the whole explanation of the ticket and
him going on the whole big spiel like okay, he
could have just literally hand him the ticket, all right,
here's a movie. Cool, I'm out and just left, or
similar to when he fell asleep in the chair while
watching the movie. That could have happened as well. So
it he was I'm not gonna say, like a waste

(34:14):
of a character. Definitely a waste of an actor. It's
a great actor. They could have literally had anybody play
this part. But he did just enough to kind of
keep it moving. And for all we know, granted he
said somebody gave him the ticket, he could have been
the ticket paster. Yeah, Houdini gave allegedly give it to him.
We don't know because we've never seen that. But he
literally could have just been like the wishmaker or the

(34:37):
wish granter, where he makes these tickets and he has
these and he can give them to anybody. That would
have been a great angle that could have been explored.
But again another story point that will never ever be explained.
So it would also be nice to have a flashback
to maybe young Nick and you know, I hate prequels,
but to see him go through the whole Houdini stick

(34:57):
where he does get the ticket and he goes back
and forth and back of and then that kind of
kicks forward to quote unquote present day where he you know,
takes over the movie theater. Because we have no idea
why or how he got to this point, he has
just been the dude running the theater clearly forever. He
went there as a child, got a ticket from Hughdini,
sat on said ticket, and then somehow managed to purchase

(35:19):
this theater and run it forever. Because clearly nobody comes
to watch movies there, so there's got to be some
other angle going on that we are not aware of
that they could have explored again magic.

Speaker 6 (35:30):
You know, if I'm not not all prequels are Star Wars.

Speaker 3 (35:33):
It's okay, No, no, I just I have a disdain
for prequels in general. It's more so Star Wars kind
of started the trend where they explained it away in
a scene where they're like, everybody died giving us getting
this thing. Okay, let's make a prequel explaining everybody dying
doing this thing. We don't care. You've already told me
how we.

Speaker 6 (35:51):
Got That's my favorite one.

Speaker 3 (35:53):
Sorry, No, Rogue one is crap, And I've gone on
the record or saying this numerous times.

Speaker 6 (35:59):
We're gonna have to just disagree here.

Speaker 3 (36:01):
Nope, Nope, again, it's.

Speaker 6 (36:03):
The only real war movie in the whole series.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
It's not a real war movie.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
It's a bunch of people hugging it out while the
crap gets blown up. I don't want to hear about it.

Speaker 2 (36:10):
It's so silly.

Speaker 6 (36:12):
I will not become Heather.

Speaker 7 (36:13):
I will not Ye, you're.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
Leaning into it pretty well, you're Heather Junior. It's okay.
At least it's not a Scooby Adventure movie.

Speaker 6 (36:21):
Nick, let's get this moving along.

Speaker 7 (36:24):
Yes, let's let let's well, since you know, Christine, you
you meant you. You were mentioning things there, So your
thoughts on Nick.

Speaker 6 (36:31):
I think he's a wonderful podcast host. I listened to
so many of us, but oh wait, sorry, we're talking
about a movie right.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
There.

Speaker 6 (36:41):
For a moment, Nick, As a kid, I related to Danny.
As an adult, I kind of relate to Nick. He
couldn't be what he wanted to be when he grew up.
Life didn't really go the way he expected. Now he
has regrets about the risks he didn't take me too, man,
me too. I also regret not befriending a kind senior

(37:02):
citizen and getting all the old stories like did I
tell you at the time my dad took me backstage
to see Buffalo Bill. I mean Danny and Marty McFly.
They had great relationships with people two generations removed. And
you know, I think a lot of us are missing
out on that, like you know, older generation friendship. Although
I think I've turned into the older part of one

(37:24):
of those, I won't get into it. I don't have
any good adventurous stories to share myself, because like Nick didn't,
I didn't go out and do things so that I
probably should have tried. So the Nick is a lesson.
You know, you get to see the the what happens
if you don't, and Danny is the what happens if

(37:45):
you do. Things might go wonderfully if you actually give
it a try. And I think that's a sort of
a minor like juxtaposition in this movie, you know, aside
from like the bigger picture, it's a little, you know,
little cautionary tale, you know, like you could not take

(38:07):
any risks and you could live your life as a
projectionist at a theater, which, you know, if you like
that cool. But I he seemed to be kind of depressed,
you know, we kept falling asleep, and I don't think
he was quite old enough for that to be like
a just being old thing, I really think yourself, I

(38:28):
think that was more of a depression thing. So but
and he perked up so much when he found out
the ticket did work and he was ready to go
on his own adventures. It wasn't too late, and that's true.
There's another thing we should take away from Nick is
that it made it's never too late. If if you
still have your mind and you know the ability to

(38:50):
move about on your own, don't waste time, you know, trying,
you know, thinking about going on your own adventures. Do it.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Excellent?

Speaker 7 (38:59):
Excellent point. And Joe, what did you make about Projectionist?

Speaker 4 (39:03):
Another great actor in this film. He's classic but also.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
A little mischievous.

Speaker 4 (39:09):
The only major issue I feel this movie had, and
Keith brought this up, was that he really wasn't fleshed out.
He was just there. He just got us from point
A to point B, and I totally agree with that.
But reading into this character a little more and some theories,
or maybe they weren't theories, some have said that this

(39:31):
was supposed to be possibly the devil in disguise, which
would make a little more sense if you think about it.
You know, he has this magical ticket that's got, you know,
the ability to go in and out. He says it
comes from Harry D, but really do we think so?

Speaker 1 (39:47):
Maybe not?

Speaker 4 (39:47):
And also he mentions that I came from two people prior, which, okay,
that's just a weird fans of fan of cool tale
that we'll never actually know. Danny's mother doesn't trust him,
and he's always ring Danny away from school. These are
all very mischievous things that a devil would do. I
really wish if something like this was actually part of

(40:10):
the story, we could have seen this a little bit more.
I mean, we did see death in the movie that
came from a movie, but we didn't really see any
more from Nick. And also the fact that if he
did see Buffalo Bill Live, they'll make him much older
than what we actually see him as, so then another
point of he might actually be much older and could
be a character like the devil actually, But either way,

(40:32):
he's great. He's great podcast. I love him on gold Standard.
I woulds all the time if I could, but you know,
I do have to sleep sometimes unlike him.

Speaker 7 (40:41):
Yes exactly, I did not sleep, And thank you very
much both of you for the very kind words. Indeed,
this character and I are not related in any way.
I love Robert Prosky and everything I've seen him in,
and I keep bringing this up, but he once again
is that character that we've seen in tons of movies
of this period. You know, I think of, once again
the guy at the bookstore in Never Ending Story, or

(41:05):
once again the guy who introduces Macaulay Culkin too, the
whole concept of stories, books being alive in the Pagemaster
and tons of other ones. He is, you know, if
we're looking this from the hero's journey perspective, he is
very much the guide to our hero taking him, you know,
kind of start paving the road from going from their

(41:27):
original place to to a fantastical world where their journey
ultimately begins. So you could partly see it as that,
but I also really love the concept that Joe Broke
brought up of him being almost a Puck kind of character,
rather impish and maybe wanting to create a little bit
of chaos just for the fun of it. And once again,
one could think of something like Jumanji, where you know,

(41:48):
granted Nick is not as dangerous as the Jumanji game,
and talking about the board game obviously not the video games.
I haven't seen those films. I can't comment on those.
The thinking of the Oji Jumanji and almost like it's
there to teach you lesson even as dangerous as those
lessons might be, it very much you then gets something
back once you have hopefully completed the game and not died.

(42:09):
So it reminds me of that as well, because and
that's very insightful on your part, Joe, I really like
that that idea. And also Christine bring up the fact
that Nick might be suffering from depression because the fact
of him falling asleep the way he does, because he
is very much that cautionary tale of what if, you know,
had I done those things, maybe I would have been
more enriched as a person and experienced those things. So

(42:33):
it is a great parallel between Nick and Danny because
Daniey has has done those things. Nick hasn't and now
is very regrets not having done. So, I mean, like
like you guys said, we see how excited and related
he is when he knows that the ticket is real
and the magic is real. It's like Houdini was right
and so on. Is so looking forward to meeting some
of the he is his heroes and heroines from films

(42:54):
like Garbo or Bogart and others, And I hope I
would have been wonderful this see him hanging out with
these old school movie stars. Heck, I would hang out
with Garbo Andy Dad. I'd love to do that, me
loving old school movies the way I do. So I
did have a lot in I did share a lot
of Nick's passions when it came to I mean, he
clearly loves film, he clearly loves.

Speaker 2 (43:15):
What he does.

Speaker 7 (43:16):
But at the same time, he is now living this
very sheltered life where this is all he knows, and
Danny seems to be almost his only patron because every
now and then, YA might have somebody in the movie
for going there just to fall asleep because we have
a go.

Speaker 2 (43:28):
Oh, somebody's drive to sleep here.

Speaker 7 (43:30):
So it's not a particularly frequented movie theater, even though
he gets prints of huge movies before they're even out,
so I'm like, wow, I guess they still it's like
it's still a movie theater. So we are going to
be sending you the Prince a day ahead of time
and not forget about you. So he's still considered within
his circle. But yes, he is kind of a sad

(43:52):
story when it comes to just him being there and
not having experienced the things he could have. And you know,
to Christine's point, it's wonderful talking to senior citizens and
learning about things that you know you weren't around to experience.
I think of my late grandfather, for example, and you know,
Keith knows I'm a huge sports ball fan when he
would regale me with the stories of the team that

(44:15):
he supported. My father supports, and I do into Milan Tea.
I used to take your father to the games, and
I saw these these guys play and so on, and
my my eyes literally light up because I've read about
these players, I've never seen them like that. Must have
been sutt the sea, and so I was I very
much am happy that I was able to have those
conversations with my grandfather when it came to our love.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Of sports, especially love of football. So I definitely would
agree with that. It's always great.

Speaker 7 (44:41):
Talking to senior citizens, for sure. And I'm soon going
to be coming one anyway, So talk to me, folks.

Speaker 6 (44:46):
I'll tell you stories that I love that you call
it sports ball, even though you know, like I feel
like I rubbed off on you because I constantly say
I don't follow the sports ball.

Speaker 7 (44:58):
Yeah, it's a Christina influenced thing. And also as well,
it's not I guess see exactly. So now I referred
to as sports Bool. But we also do have a
you know, just a quick tangent.

Speaker 2 (45:09):
He actually do have a.

Speaker 7 (45:10):
Facebook group called sports Bool Minded. We're like minded folks.
We just hang out most of these podcasting friends and such.
We talk about all the sports that we love and
follow around says it's great.

Speaker 6 (45:22):
So we wanted to bring up one little note since
we were talking the projectionist in this dead theater, I
noticed they don't really focus on it, but uh Nick's
theater is called Pandora, and the the big, the big
premiere theater is called the Odyssey. Very interesting details that

(45:43):
don't really seem to you know, have much, you know, say,
in the movie, influence on the movie. But I mean
they did open up Pandora's box with that ticket, and
I think uh Slater confronting Schwartz and Egg are at
the Odyssey was somewhat odyssey, like the bizarreness and the

(46:04):
trials and tribulations of it all. So it's a nice
little easter egg if you happen to catch those things.

Speaker 2 (46:11):
That's that's what I did.

Speaker 3 (46:12):
I was actually gonna see if you guys noticed that
at all.

Speaker 7 (46:15):
Only recently, well, it's it's and it's a great point
because I supposed to think about the Odyssey ultimately it's
about Odysseus or Ulysses attempt to get home from Troy.
So it's uh, I guess ultimately it makes sense because
that's the scene where where then Jack does in the
end get to go home. So it's a great point
and even more or even more relateable today seeing as

(46:37):
we will be getting another C movie next year, which
I'm very excited about, loving my Greek mythology.

Speaker 2 (46:42):
But I did not know.

Speaker 7 (46:44):
I did not catch that reference though, Christine. But well done,
and well done Keith as well for catching those those
references there.

Speaker 2 (46:51):
So I guess.

Speaker 7 (46:51):
Then let's round off our characters with our main villain.
We didn't expect him to be our main villain, but
indeed he was the mighty, mighty Charles Dance as mister Benedict.
So Christine, starting with you, what did you make about villain?

Speaker 6 (47:04):
Love love, love love Charles Stance. I haven't seen him
in a bad role. I mean, there's got to be
some out there, but I haven't seen him. I don't
love the tattoos. They don't really seem to match this
villain this personality, and that's literally all the bad I
can say about his performance. He somehow pulls off being

(47:25):
a henchman under an idiot right up until the moment
that he turns on him, even though I have no
feasible idea how someone like Benedict managed to get into
that situation in the first place. He has the best
bit in the movie with the harming a hair on
her head bit. It's such a cliche line and he
attacks it, and he's straight up giddy at the end

(47:47):
with his monologue. The way he performs it, it's almost
musical listening to him rant about his movie villain plans.
I like, I want to learn that monologue and just
pull it out for no good reason, because I love it.
He also he also provides a wonderful dichotomy of how
good guys and bad guys exist in the real world.

(48:08):
Jack gets there, he finds everything in the real world
so difficult. Well, Benedict quickly discovers how much easier it
is to be a bad guy here, because here, in
this world the bad guys can win. Man so much
more true right now than ever. But I don't have

(48:29):
much more to say about him because I mean, I
just generally love the character, love the actor, but I
will give him some major props to his ability to
wear all of those vision blocking contacts. They did not
look comfortable and he wore them like a pro.

Speaker 7 (48:45):
Yeah, Charles is always great no matter what he does.
I definitely agree with you, Christine. I've yet to see
him in a bad movie myself and Joe, what did
you make of mister Benedict.

Speaker 4 (48:54):
I agree with Christine. Love Charles Ants in this role.
If he is one of, if not the best characters
in this role or this movie, I should say Charles
d Ants. He delivers probably the more epic performance than
really anybody else, and he has so much fun doing
so you could really tell that he's taking enjoyment from it.

(49:18):
I mean, really, he is playing just a very typical villain,
almost a Bond villain in some aspects.

Speaker 1 (49:25):
Though.

Speaker 4 (49:26):
I agree with Christine. The tattoos, they don't make any sense.
He's got this cream colored suit and he's an older guy,
but he's got these nineties tribal tattoos that just don't
really make sense. And they also look very fake and new,
like they just plastered on new ones every single day.
Because they're very sharp and very colorful. They don't look
worn like he's had them for a while. So maybe

(49:49):
it was just part of the cliche. Maybe it wasn't.
Who really knows. I don't know what else real say
about him that Christina hasn't said.

Speaker 6 (49:57):
Wait, you had found something about previous offers on the role.

Speaker 4 (50:01):
Well, I mean apparently Alan Rickman was supposed to be
in this role according to some people, and I mean
it kind of makes sense because they're both similar actors.

Speaker 1 (50:11):
They both will put out.

Speaker 4 (50:13):
A performances very much alike each other. I mean, you
can replace them any in any type movie with each
other and they wouldn't really seem out of place. And
if if it was either one, I think it really
wouldn't have been a bad performance. But Charles Dance did it,
and that's just how it's going to be now.

Speaker 6 (50:30):
Yeah, Apparently they weren't going to pay enough for Alan Rickman.
The other offers were for our thoughts, they thought about
Tim Curry or Timothy Dalton. Clearly they wanted a British
villain because that's also a cliche. And when Charles Dance

(50:51):
found out that he got the role instead of Alan Rickman,
because of the price. What happened.

Speaker 4 (50:56):
Uh, he wore a T shirt that says I'm cheaper
than Helen Rick.

Speaker 6 (51:01):
He wore that's a set and that is just wonderful.
That makes me want to meet the guy.

Speaker 7 (51:06):
You and me both. I would I would love to
be able to meet Charles in person. That would be
absolutely amazing. And the Keith, what did you make of
the the villain who literally upstaged Anthony Quinn.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
Well, it wasn't really a surprise. It just how the
dynamic was with the two of them. And even when
his first interactions with Slater, you have the butler entering
the door, who is from basically Double O seven movie
if everybody remembers the Old Doctor No movies and so
on and so forth, and.

Speaker 6 (51:38):
Then he has true tanaka.

Speaker 3 (51:40):
Yes, And when they had that their first banter, it's
they're on equal footing. It's not he's trying to be like, oh,
I'm going to be very sly and not play this up.
He literally leans into it and he throws it right
back at Slater's face. He's like, oh yeah, calls the
dogs and they just keep going. And then he shows
him his eye and even when he is off pretending

(52:03):
to be the sidekick henchman. Blah blah blah blah blah.
You still tell he's pulling the strings. Like you can
see that just with the interactions with everybody. Even though
other people think they're in control, he's really calling the shots.
And when he does finally just get fed up with
the stupidity of everything that's going on, he just hauls

(52:24):
off and kills everybody, which is what you expect because
he only has so much patience. He's like, I'm going
to play the lamb for so long, and then he
gets to that point where he's just tired of it
where he's got to correct all the stupid sayings and
then he's got to do this and pick up that
and so on and so forth. He's just like, fet it,
I'm done. And it doesn't hurt that he has the
ticket and he sees that there's something going on in

(52:46):
his quote unquote reality that he can now go into
a different world. So it kind of pull Vaultsam into
acting sooner rather than later. Even when he kidnaps Slater's daughter,
and like you said, if you harm one hair and
he pulls the hair and he plucks it and everything,
it reminds me and I'm going to go completely left
field on this one, but in Wreck at Ralph, there's

(53:07):
a scene at the end where he's fighting the bad
guy and he puts his glasses on and he's like,
you wouldn't even a man with glasses. Ralph takes the
glasses and hits him with the glasses. He's like, cuche,
you hit me with my glasses, with glasses, I love
you hit me with my glasses. And then it continues
on You're like, well played. So they like to play
in the tropes, and even the two of them, and

(53:28):
especially the Eye. I will say the cop that decided
to twist the red eyeball to read what the hell
it had to say was an idiot and deserve to
be blown to smitherines because why are you like here
it says, have a nice and you hear him going
click click clicklick No, don't alo.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (53:47):
Things that wouldn't happen in a real crime scene, right.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
Shit, that wouldn't happen in the quote unquote real world.
Playing with the evidence is not one of those, so
unless you're dexter, in which point that's a whole different everything.
So there are things that they did in this movie.
As we've said numerous times talking about the other characters,
they're very tropy, and he with his giant gun and
when he goes into his whole monologue at the end,

(54:13):
as Christine said, I did appreciate the fact when he's
shooting at Slater, he shoots him a handful of times
and Slater's like, ha ha ha, you fret to reload
And he's like, no, smart ass, I left an empty chamber.
And he blows a whole right in his chest, and
I'm like, see, he's catching on. Your dumbass is trying
to shoot an empty gun because you didn't realize you
needed to reload. So it shows his situational awareness. He's

(54:35):
able to catch on much sooner. Like we've said, he
shoots the guy in the garage and then sits there
with a watch waiting for cops to show up and goes, wait,
there's no cops, and then just starts arbitrarily shooting his gun,
at which point he probably realized that he does have
to reload. So he pushing the boundaries of quote unquote
reality because he's so used to living in these pretty

(54:55):
world because again, everybody is in la sexy and plastic,
and that's literally what you see in this movie or
in his movie. So it's nice that he catches on
a little bit sooner than Schwarzinger's character. So I liked him,
as you guys have all said. He's a great actor.
I can't fault him for anything. So it's fun to
see him. He reminds me of watching Street Fighter.

Speaker 2 (55:17):
That's great.

Speaker 6 (55:19):
I'm not sure. I want to know.

Speaker 3 (55:21):
You've never seen Street Fighter the movie, ah, a.

Speaker 6 (55:23):
Long time ago. I have not rewatched it. Oh my god,
I don't know if it's enough alcohol.

Speaker 3 (55:29):
Well, it's the same kind of the villains playing up
their parts, you know, the actual actors enjoying their roles,
and you can tell by how they play them. You
can tell he was enjoying himself being the big bad guy,
and you can just the way he delivered his lines
and the interaction with him in Schwarzenegger. It was very natural.
It wasn't and Nick and I have mentioned this numerous times.

(55:49):
I know I have. It's not a forced interaction where
it's two individuals just reading crap on a paper and
that's all they're doing. There's no emotion, there's no connection.
It's just like blah blah blah, oh blah blah blah,
and there's a that's it, and they move on to
the next scene. These guys you can tell were enjoying this.

Speaker 6 (56:07):
Yeah. I think another one of my favorite lines was
that scene you brought up where he was experimenting with
the guy working on the car. I've just shot someone.
I did it on purpose, Like that's wonderful. And all
he gets from the people is just like, shut up
down there, I'm trying to sleep.

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Shut up.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
We're like, okay, fair enough.

Speaker 6 (56:30):
They're really they're really concerned about noise in New York,
which is odd considering it in New York.

Speaker 3 (56:36):
It's just another Tuesday, New York where somebody had shot.

Speaker 7 (56:39):
That's the great'. That's a great point you bring up there, Keith,
because I think it speaks to the movie and the
writers saying the normalization of violence when it came to cities,
and in this case we're dealing with the US, and
this was also a big thing when it came to
films in general, speaking of which we actually will be
talking about a certain movie in this case on another podcast,
which I'll get to later on. During the course of

(57:00):
this review, But that very much the concept of anti
urbanism where all these cities are so dark and this
crime everywhere, and it's horrible and it's disgusting, and New
York was very much seen as the poster child for
violence and evil doing in the city that had lost

(57:21):
its way to where people were numb to it and
didn't care. And this very much spawned the whole concept
of anti urbanism depicted in films. You think of like
stuff like Batman for example, or The Mask, all these
kind of films where your city is literally a hellscape,
and that's very much the way New York is depicted here.
For the most part, it's very dilapidated, there's crime going

(57:41):
on all the time. You can't even get out of
your front door without possibly being attacked. So it is
I think speaks that film, that theme which was very
much going on in the late eighties early nineties when
it came to how cities, especially in the States, were depicted.

Speaker 2 (57:56):
But as I.

Speaker 7 (57:56):
Mentioned before, I love Charles Dance and everything he's been in.

Speaker 2 (58:00):
Yeah, we wonderful.

Speaker 7 (58:00):
Just meet the guy, shake his hand and say thank
you for doing such a fantastic job giving us these
amazingly delightful villains, and I think mister Bendict is no
exception because of just the way he performs it. He's
clearly enjoying himself in this role. And I agree he's
also a fast learner because while everybody else takes a
little bit longer to catch on, he realizes the possibilities

(58:23):
of having such a powerful instrument like the ticket and
what that can mean for him as a villain into
further his own agenda, and the fact that and as
I said before, the fact that he literally shoots the guys,
I've shot someone and so, and I did it on
purpose and nobody cares. He tells you toally how callous
and how uncaring people are at this point because it
is normal, whereas he's used to hearing sirens go off

(58:45):
all the time in the movie world. And I loved
his plan as well, bringing in all these villains from
all the all the movies that I would have loved
to have seen more of that. I mean we did get,
of course, and it was Ian McKellen who plays death
when it comes to the seventh Seal, absolutely and and
you know, I just I just lit up like a
Christmas tree when I saw Ian McKellen, like I forgot

(59:08):
that Ian was in is brilliant. But I can't say
enough good things about about mister Benedict as a villain.
He's just so compelling and so evil and he really
is terrifying at the same time. So Charles dance, great job.
And also I will also add, speaking of great villains,
I love the fact that we had f Murray Abraham

(59:28):
in This is John Practice because of course I knew
about Mote about of course Amadaeus, of course, which we
talked about on Gold Standard. I'm not and I like,
I appreciate the fact that Danny has also seen Oscar
winning movies like Amadaeus. So that made me very very
happy for sure. So, guys, anything else we haven't touched
up on about this movie that you'd like to bring

(59:49):
up before we get to.

Speaker 6 (59:50):
Ratings, I think we may have covered it all. I
reserved the right to add more later.

Speaker 7 (59:56):
The only thing I will add is the one of
one of the most fantastic things that I the one
things that never ceases to make me smile is seeing
both Catherine Tremmel and the T one thousand exiting the
the the Police. Ridiculous and it was amazing, and it
really was Sharon Stone. That really was Robert Patrick's like,
that's amazing. That is these guys and they're literally in there,

(01:00:19):
you know, especially with with Sharon Stone wearing the same
exact dress that she wore in Basic Instinct, lighting up
a cigarette, she goes on her merry way. I thought
that was absolutely brilliant.

Speaker 1 (01:00:29):
I love it.

Speaker 6 (01:00:30):
Tina Turner at the beginning of the movie as a man.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:34):
They also have Danny DeVito is the voice of the cat.

Speaker 7 (01:00:37):
The cat, yes, and he was on credit to apparent,
so I guess either he didn't want to be associated
with it was like, yeah, he's not honest.

Speaker 6 (01:00:44):
Come on, dude, we all know your voice exactly.

Speaker 7 (01:00:47):
It's one of those very recognizable voices, So I guess.
Then getting thus to ratings, then Joe starting with you,
what do you give last action here?

Speaker 2 (01:00:55):
About of ten?

Speaker 4 (01:00:57):
I give this nine out of ten out of focus
movie endings. This movie is a wild ride, even for
nineteen ninety three. The effects were quite good at the time,
and today they still hold up quite well. The acting
still holds up, and the themes and topics brought up
are mostly still relevant even till today. When it comes

(01:01:17):
to what we see and do in movies. You know
the topics brought up and you know how we feel
about them. I'm glad to see that the reactions to
this movie have gotten better over time, because when it
came out it was not great. A lot of people
hated on it because of what we talked about earlier.
And now that we see this more movies today, it

(01:01:41):
makes it feel kind of fresh and new. It's better
than you know, going back to a movie and it's crap.
I mean, we have that enough of them. And the
one thing that really sucks because when it came out,
it came out like a week after Jurassic Part came out,
So that's kind of one of the reasons why it
didn't do so well and probably why the execs run

(01:02:01):
upset about it because they wanted it to be Jurassic
Park level awesome when at the time nothing was going
to be dressed per You can't fight that behemoth. But
but this, I will say, is probably my favorite, and
I feel one of Arnold's best films as a whole.

Speaker 7 (01:02:19):
Well, very well said, and yes, say you know that
you bring up a great point. There have the fact
that you know it didn't do as well because it
had Jurassic Park, and also I think the fact of
it being possibly ahead of its time when it came
to the themes discussion, you know that are can be
found within this. It kind of reminds me a little
bit of a since you know, we sadly lost him recently,
Assie Osborne. It makes you think of Black Sabbath, the

(01:02:41):
first Black Sabbath album, which came out in sixty nine.
Critics were murdering the album, saying it's not going to
go anywhere, it's horrible, what is this noise?

Speaker 2 (01:02:49):
Et cetera.

Speaker 7 (01:02:50):
And of course Black Sabbath proved them wrong as being
the founders, literally one of the founding fathers of heavy metal.
So just want to throw that one out there. And Keith,
what do you give this one?

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
Three?

Speaker 3 (01:03:01):
Now? All kidding aside, it's got one of those special
places in my heart. I don't know if I can
give it ten, I'll give it an eight point five.
It's not perfect, some of the story points are a
little haphazardly thrown together. It does hold up shockingly well.
And if this got a digital remaster, I don't think

(01:03:23):
anybody would know it was made back way back when
before cable best stuff.

Speaker 7 (01:03:28):
Indeed, then the Christine. What do you give this one?

Speaker 6 (01:03:30):
I give it nine out of ten on purpose movie errors,
which I forgot to bring up earlier. I had noticed
many times before that when the dog well trained dogs
get up in that pyramid, you can see very clearly
the stands that those dogs are on, still very well
trained dogs. I found out in my little research before

(01:03:52):
doing this podcast that there were a lot of things
like that done purposely because they were making fun of movies,
of movies in general, like when Benedict kills Kills Vivaldi
and he starts talking directly to the camera and walking,
you can actually see the camera crew in the reflection

(01:04:13):
of the mirrors, and there's tons of stuff like that.
You can see the pylon that flips the car in
the explosion at the second cousin's house, so many things
like that, and they were literally done on purpose, being
able to see stunt doubles. They did it on purpose.
That any movie errors you find in the real world

(01:04:34):
are probably not on purpose, because that was supposed to
be real. But yeah, I do give it nine out
of ten. I dig it because I think they pushed
the cheesy movie reality a bit too far, bondage cops
and animated cats, steam coming out of the Chief's ears.
I mean, I get it, the world's fake. I know

(01:04:56):
they were going for contrast, but it didn't need to
be so overt. And one more note, PG movies or
PG thirteen movies are allowed one F bomb. So what
did Danny write on that notepad Filthy.

Speaker 3 (01:05:09):
Kid depends on when the movie came out the guidelines changed.

Speaker 6 (01:05:13):
I believe the guidelines included one F bomb in the
early nineties year.

Speaker 3 (01:05:19):
Yeah, I have to look, but I'm pretty sure they
changed them. They loosened them up a little bit.

Speaker 7 (01:05:23):
I guess we'll never know. I'm gonna give this one.
I'm with Joe and Christina on this one. I'm actually
I'm gonna give this nine out of ten. I was
actually thinking of rating a little bit lower before I
sat down to rewatch it, because I'm like, he's probably gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:05:36):
Be suber cheese. It's not gonna really do anything.

Speaker 7 (01:05:39):
But I was proven wrong, and I was amazed at
how deep this movie goes when it comes to, like
I said, themes that you might not catch on first viewing,
or if you are a little bit younger, and you're
just therefore the explosions and the car chases and all
that kind of stuff. So I was very happy about this.
Once again, I'm making somebody comparisons tonight. I guess it's

(01:06:01):
just happened in this way. It reminds me of when
when we sat down to review The Toxic Avenger, myself
and Zan Sprouse the og Toxic Avenger, like this is
probably just gonna be ridiculous, but it's insane, the kind
of great messages that a movie as literally ridiculous as
it as as it is can can bring forth, Compared
to me, something more serious which falls flat on its
butt when it comes to bring forward those messages or

(01:06:24):
tries too hard. And that's why stun I appreciate about me.
It doesn't necessarily try to. Yes, I agree with you, Christine.
There are some months a little bit possibly too over cheesy,
but more some I think very nineties, which I will
pro I deducted a point from wh're not giving it
a ten. I mean they're very It's very rare to
come across a perfect movie, if that even exists. But

(01:06:44):
it's nine out of ten for me, and I'm so glad.

Speaker 2 (01:06:48):
Excellent point. That is true.

Speaker 7 (01:06:50):
That's one of the that's one of the perfect ten
movies out there. Yes, one the very few of a
very few, very narrow, small group. But I'm so glad
you guys brought this movie to our attention and against it.
We really have to talk about this one. So getting
them to recommendations, mister Bliss, starting with you, for those
who possibly enjoyed this movie, do you have anything you'd
like to recommend to the class.

Speaker 3 (01:07:11):
Oh, I got like seventeen movies I could recommend, so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:15):
It's not a problem.

Speaker 3 (01:07:16):
I know, it's like we have twelve or thirteen hours
we can just spend on this. So I'll do my
top four just because again this will take forever. I'm
gonna recommend Kindergarten Cop because you know, it's lots of
the I'm Tuma, it's not the Tuma. I mean. You

(01:07:36):
also got Commandos Get to the Chappa Anyway, Demolition Man,
recket Ralph because rerecord Ralph is another one of those
uh real world versus versus virtual world, a lot of
those tropes. In terms of comic books, I'm gonna recommend
gwen Pool. If anybody's ever read gwen Pool she is
a individual that gets sucked into the comic book world.

(01:07:59):
And since she knows all these everything that's going on
in the comic book world, she has all these powers
and abilities and can interact. She breaks the fourth wall,
So that would be comic book ask related. Even og
Deadpool did that for a while. Time Bandits because I
just love the time Bandits. And then batteries not included,
because where else can you see the police chief be

(01:08:20):
a mute boxer? Yeah, I'm old, I know.

Speaker 6 (01:08:25):
Oh my god, that was him.

Speaker 3 (01:08:27):
Yes, thank you very much.

Speaker 6 (01:08:30):
That's one of my nostalgic Glasses movies and it's.

Speaker 7 (01:08:33):
A great, great folm for sure. So you there's always great,
great recommendations. Nat Keith Christine, did you have anything you'd
like to recommend?

Speaker 6 (01:08:40):
Yeah, if you enjoy a Charles Dance as this type
of villain, I highly recommend The Golden Child, where it's
basically the same character, different little twist on that also
a very fun movie, very funny movie, although it's not
quite so meta. I love him in that movie. I
will go back to it a lot. And for the

(01:09:04):
sci fi world, hopping into fictional worlds, I'm going to
recommend something that is off the beaten path is very niche,
like being a fan of fans type thing. This book
is available on Amazon as a paperback only. It is
The Stray and the Hole in the Stars. It was

(01:09:25):
originally going to be called hop Jockey, but I think, well,
the hop Jockey is the idea of hopping through worlds,
through other dimensions, and it's literally stories. I can't remember
specifically which ones they go into, but there was definitely

(01:09:46):
The oddity in there for me is that they literally
hopped in to Greek mythology at one point, but it
was exactly this type of escapism. If you could just
jump into any fictional world you wanted, that is the
possibility in that book. And I don't it's been a
long time since I read it, but I went back
and I read my review of it, and I was like, yeah, yeah,

(01:10:07):
I got to reread that book. It was good. So
I highly recommend it. Very niche. Nobody's actually heard of it,
but it's it's a very good read.

Speaker 7 (01:10:15):
Well, we're all about bringing up niche things that folks
might not have heard of, and so of course, you know,
spread the love of course, when it comes to these
these these properties and Joe, did you have anything you'd
like to recommend?

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Uh? Probably just the recommendation that we get from Arnold
Brinschweiger Tremier two jug Day starring Sylesia Saloone. I mean,
his best performance ever. I totally agree, hands down. But
I will not recommend stop or my mom will shoot
because god, that was a terrible Fuckinge.

Speaker 3 (01:10:43):
That's a great movie.

Speaker 6 (01:10:45):
What one we're recommended? Definitely check out Action Hamlet starring
Arnold brown Schweager, because you know, I haven't actually seen it,
but the trailer looks amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:10:57):
Got great reviews, apparently, Joe, did you have anything else?

Speaker 1 (01:11:02):
No?

Speaker 2 (01:11:03):
Okay, I will.

Speaker 7 (01:11:05):
Also add it was, you know, speaking of Hamlet, it
was wonderful that the teacher is was actually it was
actually related to the Hamlet movie because she was married
to Lawrence Olivia.

Speaker 2 (01:11:17):
So there you go. Nice yep. So so it's absolutely.

Speaker 7 (01:11:21):
Brilliant, I will add, I mean I was going to
mention Commando because yes, you do have the situation super
Action trophy when it comes to of course, the Arnie's daughter.
Of course, the the actress plane is what is kidnapped,
and so he has to get her back, and and
of course wackiness ensues, so that would probably be my top.
And of course I guess there's some of the movies
that I had mentioned earlier, which I'm sure everybody has seen,

(01:11:42):
but if you haven't, definitely check out the first never
Ending Story, check out the page Master and all that
and all that fun stuff, because it's always great.

Speaker 6 (01:11:49):
Love how you clarified the First never Ending Story.

Speaker 7 (01:11:54):
Twelve the yeah, and also that the follow ups were
not particularly good.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
If you ask me, man Jay.

Speaker 6 (01:12:01):
I recommend watching the Nostalgia Critic review of the third
never Ending Story that's amazing.

Speaker 7 (01:12:08):
Rather than having to watch it yourself. I agree, so
we don't have to. I definitely think that's a great,
great point there, Christine. So those are those are my recommendations.
So getting us to a happiness and darkness feedback, We
actually have some this week from Aaron, of course frequent writer.
I love the subject line that he puts in as
he of course, Keith writes uber baby buggle bumpers. He

(01:12:28):
didn't know I was going to say that, did you?
So Aaron writes in Hey, DJ, Nick and Keith, and
I'm gonna throw in Christine and Joe. I was pretty
late to last action hero, but it's a fun watch
and quickly became one of my favorite action movies. It
may seem odd, but as far as acting goes, this
may be one of Schwarzenegger's best. Not only does he

(01:12:48):
get to tap into his humorous side, but there's a
certain depth to acat his character when he finally comes
to accept that he's just a movie character. Self aware
movies are fun when done right, as this one picks
apart the silliness of action and procedural whether it's punching
a car window without any kind of injury or justifying
a cartoon cat's existence, these cliches are used as jokes

(01:13:10):
in Universe, they're treated seriously. Here's a question for the
two of you, and I will extend it to our
guests as well. Do you think this movie could have
been made today?

Speaker 3 (01:13:20):
Of course, I think if anything, it aged so well
you could have just again digitally remastered. This left your
sly tropes in. But you can put this out today
and nobody would blink an eye except for the fact
that all Schwarzenegger is now forty years older. But the
whole stick behind all of it holds up very well.

Speaker 6 (01:13:39):
Yeah, I think we did bring it up earlier. Aside
from the behemoth dinosaur stepping on this movie. This what
hurt this movie a bit was that it wasn't really right.
You know, people weren't really ready for the concepts in
this movie. And today these are the kind of concepts
that just thrive. This This is what people want. They

(01:14:01):
want that meta stuff, they want the deep exploration of
what does it mean? What action heroes mean to us?
Are they good for us? Are they bad for us?
Is it some a little of both? You know, it's
that kind of discussion that really gets movies going nowadays.
I think if any if it were to be hurt

(01:14:22):
from coming out in this time, it would be that
at this point we have seen it a lot and
it might be kind of lost in the mix. So
it could go both ways. But I think it thrives
nowadays because people understand it better now.

Speaker 7 (01:14:39):
Joe, do you think this movie could have been made today?

Speaker 4 (01:14:42):
Almost definitely, But like Christine said, it might get lost
in the never an extreme of new stuff on Netflix.

Speaker 7 (01:14:48):
I tend to agree as well, because yes, this, this
is that these other kind of themes that are brought
up constantly when it comes to today's films, TV shows,
you name it, and so Keith can Keith kay Aaron continues.
My primary reason for asking this is that this was
made during the height of both movie stars and action stars,
but these days we don't seem to have those. I

(01:15:11):
know arguments could be made for someone like Dwayne Johnson,
but even he has proven that his name alone isn't
going to draw crowds, and movies are now about the
spectacle rather than the actor. Perhaps the closest we could
get is Keanu Reeves poking fun at his john Wick character.
But overall, I just can't see Last Action Hero Hang
the same kind of impact it made it would if

(01:15:34):
made today. Take care Erin, Wearin. Thank you so much
for that wonderful email. Always love having you are writen
in and giving your thoughts and there was great, great
ones for sure.

Speaker 2 (01:15:46):
Keith.

Speaker 7 (01:15:46):
Did you have anything you wanted to add to Eron's feedback?

Speaker 3 (01:15:50):
I agree to an extent. I think the rock is
not the drug that he used to be. Maybe in
his prime it would have worked. Jason Stathem actually probably
would be a good one because he is known for
his action action hero like Crank and things of that nature.
I think with the right combination of actors and movie
tropes they want to include and exclude. I think they

(01:16:12):
could do it, and it would even if they didn't.
They called it like Last Action Hero Too. It would
hit the nostalgia part of our brains and we'd all
want to watch it because we've seen the first one
and we're like, ooh, this could be the same thing,
or so on and so forth. So depending on the
context and who released it and when, and you know,
a bunch of variables, it could do fairly well or

(01:16:33):
fairly decent in today's streaming world.

Speaker 7 (01:16:36):
And you know, to Christine's point that she made earlier
on the fact that this is Hollywood, I mean, we
have seen how nostalgia can literally bring new movies to
life Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, the upcoming Spaceball sequel, really earlier than that.
We'd had, of course to Bill and Ted movie. So
it's not out of the realm of possibility that this
might come back. But the thing is, I guess, maybe

(01:16:57):
not being considered as successful as the movies that I
mentioned earlier, or as iconic, possibly when it came to
the epoch in which they came out. We shall see
Christina or Joe, did you have anything else you wanted
to add when it came to Erin's feedback.

Speaker 6 (01:17:12):
No, I think we covered all angles on that one.

Speaker 7 (01:17:15):
Oh okay, Doki, Well I guess then. Of course, Folks,
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Tell your friends, Tell your enemies, We don't care, just
spread the word and the big thank of those who
have done so. In the future, thank you to those

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who will so. Christine, when you're not here gracing us
with your presence on Happiness and Darkness, where can folks
find you on the interwebs.

Speaker 6 (01:18:11):
You can find me on the podcast Small Council Matters,
where we discuss all Game of Thrones shows if they
would ever get around to airing them. It looks like
House of the Dragon and a Night of the Seven
Kingdoms will be coming out next year, but of course
we have a massive backlog for all of those seasons
of Game of Thrones and in the past two seasons
of House of the Dragon. I do occasional guest spots

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on Gold Standard, Next Stop Everywhere and Drunk Cinema Zan Charles,
When can I come back to drink with you? You
can also follow me on Blue Sky at c R Peruski,
and you can check out my portfolio site Christine Peruski
dot at xyz. If you've already looked at it, Sorry
I haven't updated anything yet. I plan an update in October.

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Stay tuned.

Speaker 7 (01:18:58):
Well, that's fantastic stuff show. Folks, definitely be sure to
follow Christine and all the fantastic things.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
That she's a part of.

Speaker 7 (01:19:04):
And Joe. Well, folks find you if, of course you
want to be found.

Speaker 4 (01:19:08):
Oh well, if you want to possibly find me on
Blue Sky, you look for me at reusable cloth. And
you can also find me on Happiness Darkness podcasts of
the past, like maybe twenty twenty three era before Keith
was around. I did multiple teens Turtles movies, a Hulk
movie which featured Christine as well, and The Punisher, that wonderful,

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wonderful movie. And you'll also find me roaming the warehouse
of Amazon getting your packages for you.

Speaker 7 (01:19:40):
And we definitely are very thankful for your service, and Keith,
when it comes to you, wekem folks find you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Well real quick. Which are the twenty seven Punisher movies?
Did you guys review? Because there's only been like twenty
seven of them?

Speaker 1 (01:19:51):
Uh?

Speaker 4 (01:19:52):
The one from the eighties with Dalherdon, Yeah, oh that's
the great movie.

Speaker 3 (01:19:59):
Oh so where can you find me? I'm currently working
on twenty seven other virtual podcast I'm training like seventy
four AI monkeys to do all my podcasting for me
that that should be launching I think twenty twenty eight
right now. But when I'm not doing that or trying
to take over the world, you can find me on
here obviously every week. I've also been on Star Trek

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the Undiscovered podcast a handful of times this year. I
was on your Crazy gold Standard once and then the
Hour of Comics. I was on there earlier this year
as a special guest. And then when I'm not doing that,
I'm catching up on sleep because I don't sleep ever,
because I work so darn much.

Speaker 7 (01:20:39):
So you know that's me, and that is a prerequisite
for podcasting me on the regular basis.

Speaker 6 (01:20:44):
You're rubbing off and Keith stop.

Speaker 7 (01:20:46):
It exactly, but he knows this. It was in the
contract that he saw this. That's a prerequisite. So when
it comes to happiness in the photos tomato juice, ah well,
well we'll talk later about that spot. Getting back to
this with Comesta b folks, you can find me hosting
the radio show Whiskey and Cigarettes, where we play the
very best and nothing but the best of country music

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for you guys from Malabama to Bailey Zimmerman. With more
information about that, you can is our website which is
Whiskey and Cigarettes show dot com. Podcast Wise, as everybody
kindly mentioned, you can also find myself for Zan Sprouse
and Rachel Friend on Gold Standard the Oscars podcast, where
we have reviewed all the best picture winning movies in
chronological order. Now as we wait for the ninety eighth
best Picture to review itself. We're now reviewing movies that

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we have picked. We also have Retune returning in new
guest co hosts bring their favorite movies to the gold
Standard Theater, speaking of which are recently we reviewed Zan's pick,
which was a New Leaf starring Walter Mathou and Elaine May.
Coming up next to certain, Charles Skaggs will be making
his return to the gold Standard Theater and I alluded
to this a little bit earlier. The movie that Charles

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has selected is the nineteen ninety five David Fincher film Seven,
So that's what we're going to talk about. A nice,
happy movie to watch with the amly and the kids,
celebrating it's thirtieth anniversary. It's crazy, it's been thirty years
since Seven was unleashed upon this earth. And the last,
but certain not least to myself and Charles Scaggs can
be found in the Fandom Zone podcast, wh're currently reviewing

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the second season of The Sandman and having a great
time doing that. It's always fun to talk to mister Skaggs,
and that's what we're up to there.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
It's being things to.

Speaker 7 (01:22:22):
Come on this show. Next time we'll be taking on
the two thousand and nine Roy Berdein and Lloyd goldfind
film Turtles Forever. So, first off, Christine and Joe, thank
you so much for joining us today was on my behalf.
Myself and Keith of course loved having you back, looking
forward to having you back sooner rather than later, which
actually might happen.

Speaker 2 (01:22:43):
And so yeah, we definitely appreciate it. And there's always you.

Speaker 7 (01:22:46):
Brought great insights, great fun and just made this podcast
even more enjoyable.

Speaker 6 (01:22:51):
Hey, thank you for scratching that podcasting yetch we we
had we really needed to get back on the show
or any show. I appreciate it. Send me the link.

Speaker 3 (01:23:04):
Yeah, finally, Amazon your project. I have a new warehouse
somewhere somewhere there.

Speaker 2 (01:23:10):
There you go.

Speaker 7 (01:23:11):
So, Keith, anything you would like to add on this
or next movie before we sign off.

Speaker 3 (01:23:16):
I have actually never watched this movie, so this will
be a genuine first watch for me, or first trauma,
as I like to call some of these movies.

Speaker 7 (01:23:24):
Well, I haven't watched this either, so we're both going
into this completely blind. I guess we'll see what we
make of it, and we might actually have a certain
people returning to the podcast, but find out more about
that you have tune in next week, folks, where we
will be reviewing Turtles forever. Until then, thank you so
much for the privilege of your time. Stay Super Show

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