August 19, 2025 • 49 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
It's a special world premiere exclusive. They are back Turtle Power.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And I got the faces.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We're good to go show, and they're joining the Turtles
of today.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So Evil, come and face your dude. He's my goodness.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I don't want to listen anything.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Can't. It's so jam packed with turtles. We have to
make a movie just to fit them.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All in fair ship. Last dude, why crack me up?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He hate those turtles.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
Don't miss this money fifth Anniversary Ninja Turtle Special Events.
Speaker 3 (00:44):
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for Chits.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Show people, and welcome to our three hundred and fifth
episode of Happiness and Darkness is Superior Movie Podcast where
we discuss superior movies, Marvel, DC Doco's image and more. Naturally,
there will be spoilers, folks, so you have been warned.
I'm one of your co hosts. Didjinick there's always joining
me as my superhero partner. Incame mister Keith bless Hey, Keith,
(01:11):
how's life treating you today?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know, I'm up to my ears in grass and moisture.
We're getting hammered with rain here on the East coast,
so you're worried about how I'm just going to be
swamping and do what I gotta do.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, at least you're the right color. At least you
know you brought the green, which is good because today
is going to be all about green indeed, and joining
us once again, returning to the podcast, and it's wonderful
having back on. Of course it's been a while, like
last week, mister Joe. Fairies, Hey Joe, how are you?
And welcome back.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Now that's what I call. And then you're vanish. Oh
I'm doing all right then, Nick, thanks try to help
me out again.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, we're both very happy to have you back on
with us, of course, Joe. And today we are discussing
the movie that you selected that I believe neither myself,
I know I had I believe Keith hadn't seen either.
Today we are discussing Turtles Forever from two thousand and nine.
This was directed by Roy Berdine and Lloyd Goldfein, who
co wrote the film with Rob David and Matthew Deurdic.
(02:12):
This was aired by the CW four Kids to celebrate
the franchise's twenty fifth birthday. So, Joe, starting with you
as you are our guest today. What are your general
impressions on this one and what made you decide you
want to bring Turtles Forever to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, I decided to bring this one because I don't
really hear about this one discussed too often in the mainstream.
It usually gets overlooked, especially since it came out two
thousand and nine, which from what I've seen, is kind
of a drought era, or at least before a renaissance
that happened with I think was the Nickelodeon Turtles. I
(02:50):
haven't watched it, so I don't know, but it's just there.
I originally saw this I think a copy of it
was on YouTube about Posh's sap size and it was
terrible quality, but it was intriguing. But a multiverse of Turtles.
Who would have thought, I guess makes sense though, with
(03:13):
how many times this franchise has had reboots, sequels, and
other random things made for it. Is it a perfect movie? No,
but it is a bit of fun. Everything from the
early two thousands gritty and edgy anime inspired television content
that was being put out at the time, to the lovable,
(03:33):
carefree late eighties just dumb fun, and then the little
bit at the end the colorless nineteen eighty four origin
story that kind of brought everybody into the world of
tourtal power. It's intriguing. It definitely had a really good
cast and a lot of good cameos throughout visually, and
(03:56):
also ones that were brought to the screen as like
full on characters with voices as well.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh that's great stuff. And Keith, I know, I believe
you had not seen this one, so well, what did
you make of it on your first watch?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So I have to fact check myself. Apparently I did
watch this a million years ago in two thousand and nine,
and since it's been almost a decade, I had forgotten.
And the only reason I remembered this is as I
started the movie, I had remembered the ending about everything
that happened in this movie, and I was like, oh, yeah,
I did watch this a decade ago. So you know,
(04:32):
I'm old in senile, So I apologize fans. I lied.
Apparently I have seen this. It's an interesting watch. It's
funny because I did watch the original Turtles because I'm
old as hell, and then I watched the Turtles that
this one was based on, not all of it, but
a good portion of it, and it's just different points
in my life, Like I was a little goober when
the first set of Turtles came out and that you know,
(04:54):
scratched that h when I was a little kid, and
then as I got older, this older quote unquote older
generation to tur was kind of matched up with my
personality at the time, and it really is basically me
in a nutshell, Like if you see or with Michaelangelo
in the old classic show and then Michaelangelo of the
newer one, eventually he just gets fed up with his
own crap and he's like, guys, will you just calm down?
(05:16):
Like that? That's literally me, like I'm an idiot one
point and then I'm just like everything annoys me at
the next point. So it's funny to see this now
and remember when this aired at what points in my life,
I'm like, yeah, this movie shit sums me up very well.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And I believe when we've done other Turtle films. You
were familiar with the Og Eastman led comics.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yes, uh yeah, Like peripherally I had read some of them,
but not as well versed as say Marvel X Men
and Ironman and Batman Robin type of stuff. But I
knew enough of them to be dangerous.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Great stuff, and I will say it was kind of fun.
That said that Led Niceman didn't make a cameo in
this film. That said, when it came to me, this
is the first time I actually got to watch this,
and I was wondering because when I did my research
found that was literally a celebration of the was for
the twenty fifth anniversary of the franchise. So I was like, oh,
this was probably going to do something pretty epic, pretty cool,
(06:16):
and by and large, I think they did. It'scarius how
this predates so many multiverse stories which are now the thing,
So I guess one could almost say it was sort
of ahead of its time because if you go and
look at the MCU iron Man had just come out
a year prior to this, we had never you know,
everything ever real all at once. Was still a gleam
when it came to in the eye of its creators
(06:38):
when it came to film. So the multiverse concept obviously
was still there. I mean you'd seen it in comics
and such, especially, but TV wise, I think it was
still It wasn't a concept that been played with too much,
so I guess you could almost. I'm not saying this
film isn't necessarily groundbreaking, but it definitely was ahead of
the queue when it came to this concept, which, like
I said, is now so popular, some say maybe overused,
(07:01):
so I will applaud them for that. There were moments
where I agree with Keith. I was kind of feeling
like the nineteen eighty four version of The Turtles when
it came to the nineteen eighty seven one where they
were it was really grating on me. But I think
that was it was supposed to feel that way. Also, obviously,
I'm forty two now, so I'm looking at this from
a different, different perspective compared to how they've seen this. Say,
(07:25):
when it came out, I've probably have been, oh man,
this is amazing. I love it. I did enjoy it,
but as I said, there were times I'm like, oh man,
they're so annoying. Can't they just leave already? But the
story was cool. I thought it was nice to bring in,
you know, to Joe's point, some cameos from all the
various franchises that we play with in this in this
particular movie. So I was pleased with that, and I
(07:48):
think that also the pacing was was good as well,
because you have to bear in mind, I guess that
you're going to be having both, you know, adults and
kids watching this because it is very much a family
friendly movie. So obviously you want to keep you know,
you're young attention, and you obviously don't want the bore
your adults either, and I think that this movie does
do that pretty well. So I was I was pleased
(08:08):
with some I'm glad that Joah introduced this, at least
to me, because you know you've seen it. Keith's I'm
glad that now I can say I've seen it. So
let's get to our castles on the boards. Kicking off
with not four, not eight, but twelve turtles coming together.
We have the two thousand and three Turtles, the nineteen
eighty seven turtles from the two respective TV shows, and
(08:29):
the OG nineteen eighty four comics Turtles of course from
the comics. So Keith, starting with you, what did you
make of these twelve turtles.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's interesting to watch them all together because of just
the different styles in terms of appearance, the characters themselves,
the voices that the mannerisms, all the different personalities. You
have three Rafael's and all three of them, and they're
different but similar enough. And even the super Duper Evil
(09:03):
Shredder points out that all these characters are kind of
a derivative of this core Ninja Turtle group, and you
can see the similarities across them. I thought it was
interesting that they did the eighty four in a very noir,
you know, gravelly like, oh the rain is on my face.
Oh I stepped on a rock, and you're like, okay,
(09:23):
I don't need all this narration. They're champ like, I
can watch this stuff like we're doing this at the
same time, we don't need all this extra voiceover Shenanigans.
But it was to really play up that art style
and those types of characters, because if you, you know,
you read the comic books and you start that inner
dialogue yourself, and this is the voices you hear. So
it's fun to see all three of them together and
(09:46):
just the wacky Shenanians that ensue when you get through
the eighty seven Turtles. They are the slapstick comedy relief
of the group, period, doesn't matter which one you're talking about,
all four of them are the comedy relief of their counterparts.
You have Donna Tello, who's like, just bang on it. It'll work.
And you're like, no, that's not how science works. He's like, yes,
(10:09):
it is. Bang bang bang bang bang. He's like, no, dude,
you literally just made a flashlight. He's like no, and
he's just banging on it some more. And even in
the flashback scene when they're doing the how we got
here portion of the story, you see Dontello just like
punch this piece of metal which shouldn't have been broken
in that manner, and then just tie a bunch of
cables together and like in a bow, and he's like, look,
(10:30):
e re wired everything. You're like, dude, this is the
Tom and Jerry of science. Holy crap. And but when
we're kids and we're watching this, we just kind of like, cool,
all right, this is great, and you just run with
it because you're a little kid and your imagination just
fills in the blanks. Yourself. Now as an adult, you're like,
you're an idiot, Like this doesn't work like that. And
that's why when you see the older Turtles, there are
(10:54):
the older Don Tello. He's very like analytical and very science.
He's like, no, that's not how this, you know, the
thing work in our dimension and blah blah blah blah blah.
They the eighty seven turtles very much have cartoon dynamic
on their side, and that's why everything just works, like
the uh what was it? The exploding throwing stars and
(11:15):
the roller skates and all the other Shenanians. Again, when
we're kids, it makes perfect sense as adults like, no,
that doesn't work. And the fact that the older turtles
heckle the younger turtles is also entertaining. So I liked
how they played off of each other. And I know
I've probably stolen a bunch of the thunder from the
two of you, and I apologize, But you know, it's
(11:37):
twelve characters. You're gonna have a lot of to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, yes, there's definitely a lot to talk about. And
speaking of a lot to talk about it, Joe, what
did you make about twelve turtles?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, there was twelve of them, that's for sure. Well,
I think the two three turtles. I know they're supposed
to be based a little more on the Mara comics,
which is nice, but they sometimes are a little too serious,
but not as serious as say the nineteen eighty four
Gritty I'm going to rip your face off turtles, and
(12:16):
it helps balance out the whole group. You know, they're
they're kind of in the middle when it comes to everything. Though,
this is the generation that I have the least connection with.
I don't hate them. I do enjoy to an extent
their flat, edgy look. It at least makes them look
different from the rest of the turtles. Also make they're
taller physically. If you see them all stand next week,
(12:38):
they're much bigger. And they have a very interesting choice
of language. They always use, not swear words or phrases
that would consider put them in there like what the
show Okay, that's different. I guess definitely edgy. Maybe I
(13:01):
spent more time watching that series, I would have probably
enjoyed them more, But unfortunately I came out during a
time where I really wasn't watching as much television. So
who's to say the eighty four Turtles they did capture
them quite well with their footloose and fancy free way
of just doing everything, like Keith was saying, you know,
punching through a control panel, tying wires not and there
(13:22):
you go. You just rewired something that's just goofy and dumb,
but very, very very quirky and fun, the anti technodrome,
roller skates, the throwing stars. I mean, come on, yes,
those were fun and probably were things in the cartoon
from if I could remember that far back, you know,
like the rest I am old too. They do represent
(13:47):
at least each Turtle very well, even all the generations.
If you watch, like you said, they're all similar, the
different rafiles, different Michael Njo's. It's just they have their
own little spin to them, especially like the eighty four.
At the very end, they kind of start doing stuff
(14:08):
that was similar, like they're going to grab a slice pizza,
and like the Mikey is a little more playful. That's
kind of cool. But to get back to the Four Turtles,
I love their animation style. I love the halftone dot
backgrounds that they had going on. They really did a
great job of mimicking those original comic books in this
(14:30):
World and even making them look three D even though
they're two D. The only thing that maybe be a
little unfortunate because of how comic books versus television is
those Turtles have one version that we see on the screen,
but if you do go through those original comics, they
do change slightly throughout in the different looks, but I mean,
(14:54):
we're limited to what we can see on the screen
for the very brief time we do see them, which
I think it's probably the biggest flaw that I've found
with this. I wish they could have had a little
more time with that era, because I think they could
have maybe had more fun with them and really brought
out what made the Turtles and that era different compared
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to everything we've seen in all the other versions of
the cartoons. But again, they had to wrap up the
story and get it over with because if not, it
would have went on forever. As the Turtle says.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Most likely I As I said before, this was the
first time I watched this, but I thought it was
kind of cool that we got to see these different
generation of Turtles, granted the eighty four and eighty seven
twenty three years apart, but so different at the same time.
Because I even recall, you know, picking up my first
issue of the Turtles from that era, and yeah, you know,
(15:51):
because i'd been used to the nineteen eighty seven one's,
those were the turtles that I'd grown up with as
a kid, and then somebody hands me a comics like
it's completely different from the comics. I'm like, wow, they
are so much edgier, they are so much more violent.
It's completely different Kettler Fish. Because of course, in the
nineteen eighty seven cartoon they sanitized a lot of the
violence that our original four got up to. But what
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was really weird here. As much as I really enjoyed
and loved the Turtles from eighty seven, here they annoyed
me no end. I really felt like the two thousand
and three version and the og version because it really
felt that like they were the youngsters of the group,
the annoying teenagers, while as the others definitely seemed more adult.
So they almost seemed like they were not necessarily saying
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babysitting them, but they were like what the hell are
they doing? And yes, the fact that they kept cracking
jokes and so on that it's I'm not saying it
pulled me out of the film, but it did annoy
me a little bit because I thought, to myself, this
is usually what Mikey does, not all four of them,
unless I'm misremembering the nineteen eighty seven cartoon, Because it
seemed to me that the one who would kind of,
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you know, mess around the most was Mikey compared to
the other three, But here it seemed like they were
constantly making bad puns and they were really bad. And
so I kind of watching this, I would kind of
like to go and watch the version from two thousand
and three, the actual series, because those are turtles. I
guess that maybe now at my age I can relate
(17:19):
to more compared to once eighty seven. But by and large,
I think that they did work together as a as
a twelve as twelve turtles, and they got to do
every group got to do a little bit of something,
so that was nice, and it also reminded me, well
reminded me. This predated that as well of the Spider
Verse films as well, because of all the various versions
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of the Spider Man that you get here, it's a
similar kind of concept. And so I wore applaud as
I said how forward thinking this concept was, and I
think was a great way to celebrate twenty five years
of an amazing franchise. But what my takeaway from these
Turtles was I kind of want to go and see
more of the two thousand and three version, because those
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guys seem really cool and they seem to have it
together more than the nineteen eighty seven ones when it
came to nineteen eighty four. To your point, Joe, I
love the setting. It reminded me a lot of something
like Sin City for example. And yes, it is rather
hilarious when you hear what would suppose will usually be
thought bubbles being spoken in this narrative tone, which is
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very much akin to something like a Sin City or
something more noir based, kind of like Spider Man Noir
for example as well. So I thought it was really cool.
I would have liked to have spent more time with
them and in that world. But once again, this movie
is I think about eighty minutes long, and so you
have to you have to get things going, like, yeah,
we showed you the nineteen eighty four Turtles, but we
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have to defeat the enemy and get the heck out
of here. So I can see why we didn't get
to spend as much time with the on Turtle Prime
compared to our other two groups. But I think we
got enough. So let's round off our characters with our
main villain or villains. We have Correlle aka the Utrom Shredder,
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and of course the nineteen eighty seven and nineteen eighty four.
Shredders also make an appearance in the course we have
Krang showing up and Rockstadium Bebop, but I think the
focus here is mostly on, of course Shredders throughout. So
Joe starting with you, what did he make of the
Eutrom Shredder and the appearances of his counterparts from eighty
(19:29):
seven to eighty.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Four, Well, dude, take a chill pill. That guy is
hard core, series and over the top. Yes, it's a
different take than many of the other versions that we've seen,
even some of the versions that we saw in the movies.
He was even more than what they were. I would
say this zutterm share is probably even more aggressive and
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mean than even the Supershredder from Turtles two. But we
only saw him briefly and he got destroyed by wood,
so it's a nice change of pace. Though, this, from
what I can tell, is the only appearance of this
version of the Shudder that's Outram was just made for
this one specifically. He might have tried to come back
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and something else, but maybe not. Do I like him,
I think so. I don't know if I'd like him
to be the main villain all the time. Because it
just would be almost too much if he was constantly
that way. We did see a little bit of a
flashback when they first found the Shredder in this movie
him basically just destroying the Turtles at different moments, and
(20:44):
it's nice, but he almost seems like he's a little overpowered.
But maybe that's the point of it in this series,
I don't know. Like I said, I didn't really follow
this one too closely. Now, the eighty seven Shredder, he's
very much outside of the voice had to be different.
He's very much the exact same character. He's a whiny,
ready spoiled child. It never gets his way, and that
(21:08):
gets annoying. The one side of me says nostalgia, yay.
The others like yay. It's the same one, very similar
to Like the other two here have brought up about
the Turtles from eighty seven being that same level of bumbling,
fumbling incompetent fools. But it was nice for him to
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be there. It really did help mellow out the main
character being the darker Shrudder and then his little friends
of Craying and rock Sane be about being there craying
a little bit more, but they really didn't do too much.
The eighty four Shrudder super brief and really just a
(21:49):
quick gag. I'm actually kind of disappointed. I really wish
they would have let him go a little farther. I mean,
he got destroyed by garbage cans. It fell off a building.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Uh cool.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Hopefully he didn't fall into the back of the garbage truck.
But maybe he did. But I don't know. I am
a little this point. We didn't get see more of
that at least see where they wanted to go with it.
But like in the Oriental comic books if you haven't
read them, he doesn't last too long either, So I
guess maybe that was a way of saying, yeah, we
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don't got nothing for him. That's eh, okay, whatever, he's over.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, that's an excellent point. And Keith, when it comes
to you, where we saw Kang being defeated by ants,
here we see a shred of being defeated by garbage. So, yeah,
what do you make about three shredders and feel free
of pose to touch up on any of the sidekicks
of course.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Well, it's interesting to show them. The three Shredder is
very much or it reminds me a lot of say Thanos,
where he is just over the top and seeing crazy
and he's doing everything he can to you know, take
over the multi verse and destroy everything and blah blah
blah blah blah. Then you have the eighty seven Shredder,
(23:08):
who is the reader or pulsa of super villains. He
just whins literally every five seconds, like I can't believe
he took my chair or this and that and blah
blah blah, you know, every possible thing. He's like having
a meltdown over, which you know, I get it because
he thinks he's the big bad guy and then gets
beaten up by essentially a spiky jellyfish looking thing, So
(23:31):
you know, to get your butt beat by a space thing,
I would whine all the time too. So you know,
it's fine. Rock Staden Bebop. They're the village idiots. They've
always been the village. It's they've stayed to that, true
to that. The fact that they tripped over an extension
cord to unplug the terror Drome, which I don't understand
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why if everything is super high tech advance, you run
on an extension gourd. The fact that Shredder Utron was
making fun of eighty seven Shredders tech. He's like, this
is stupid and this and that. I mean, once we
replace it with our tech, it'll be amazing. And don't
get me wrong, they do it. It's a huge upgrade
from the original to what he then takes across the multiverse.
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But again he's defeated by an extension cord essentially, I mean,
I get it. You know, the cartoon dynamics and all
that Shenanians and they had to give something for the
eighty seven characters to do, like you know, craying where
he's like, h over Burber crew and then he sneezes
all over them or burps at him or whatever, and
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he slims everybody. He's like and they're like, oh dude,
So all the Shenanigans that happen is all because of
the eighty seven crew, And that's pretty much parer for
that cartoon. You know, if something weird could happen, it did,
as we saw with all the other examples of the
flashlight portal gun, the blimp, which the two thousand and
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three Turtles were like, what is this? Why are we
going so slow? Why can't we go faster?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Again?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
When we watched this as kids like, this is amazing.
It's a blimp and it comes up and it's a glider,
and now is adults you're like, con let's go. I
got shit to do. So I appreciate the fact that
this would be me as an adult making fun of
this cartoon. So the fact that they're saying this stuff
out loud is the same stuff I'm saying, like, this
stuff's stupid. Now when you finally get to the big
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bad battle at the end, the fact that he could
not and I get it. He was blinded by I
need to take out the turtles, and this was how
he was in the cartoon as well. He was very
much blinded by turtles, like he just had turtle rage
all the time. But the fact that he didn't catch
on to him destroying the original turtles would impact all
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the other universes. It was just I need to destroy
the turtles. And then he's starting to do this and
he's watching the universe collapse and he's like, map fit,
I'm gonna do it anyway, like really, and then rock
stading bebop, plug everything back in and boom boom, We're done.
So you know, it was very like, oh my god,
is everyone gonna survive up? Yeah, they are wamp wampomb
(26:18):
So I like me personally. I like the art style
of the two thousand and three Shredder, and the meme
eighty four Shredder was just like we said. You know,
he was there for a hot second and he fell
off a roof and was defeated by trash, just like
in the original movie. But hey, what do I.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Know that that's exactly it. I was hoping we would
get to see the nineteen eighty four shred end and
to see him. We did, albeit for a very very
brief moment, and I was a little bit disappointed. And
when I saw he was defeated by garbage, I'm like,
this is your villain, seriously and such a gritty, grim world.
(26:57):
This is your villain, and this is how he's gonna
go down. Okay, now I might have I guess it
might be probably suffering from long term memory loss or something,
because I do not remember nineteen eighty seven Shredder being
this whiny to you guys's points, because I mean I
remembering him being more of a formidable villain to our turtles. Yes,
(27:19):
he was constantly the butt of many jokes by them,
But he was, at least from when I could recall,
he came up with all these amazing plans, and just
like I suppose Wily Coyote, they always went terribly for him.
But you also partly in big part to the ineptitude
of folks like Rocksteady and Bebop. But he was complaining
all the time, and he literally sounded like this child
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who can't get his way, and so he's gonna moan
and groan and complain. And I kept thinking of myself,
is this the Shredder that I enjoyed for so many
years as a kid. I guess it must have been. Well,
I'll have to go back and rewatch the nineteen eighty
seven show and see if this if this line's up,
because like I said, my memory from back then is
shoddy at best, because I've not revisited this franchise, at
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least the animated side of it, in a long time.
But he was constantly getting on my nerves, and I
was thinking to myself, you deserve to be defeated because
you're just so pointless. What are you doing the eu
trom Shredder I thoroughly enjoyed. Guess he is way over
the top. He's almost in the other extreme compared to
our whiny Shreddit to where he is uber violent once
(28:28):
the full bent on destruction no matter what the cost,
even if it means even putting himself out of existence.
To your point, keep this is how obsessed. Granted, all
the Shredders are pretty obsessed with our turtles, but Utrom
takes it to a whole other level where if I
can't destroy the turtles, and if it means me dying too,
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I will do it. This is how much I hate
these guys, to the point where his own daughter had
to intervene, saying, father, you don't understand what you're doing.
You're gonna kill us all. It's like, I don't care.
I'm like, what is going on? And of course, obviously
you know the steaks. You know things are going to
be okay and everything's going to be solved. But the
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fact that it was literally solved by plugging in a
plugging in a machine to a socket, and that's how
Utrom Shredder is defeated. It was a little bit lame,
but I suppose I don't know where the message here is.
Even though he's from the future compared to our our
other two versions of Shredder, he gets defeated by old Tech.
(29:30):
I am trying to sort of piece together in my
mind what exactly they're trying to say here where it's
like you can always trust the old tech compared to
the new stuff. I don't know. But this was my
first time, of course, meeting the Utrom Shredder, and for
what I saw, I was interesting. I actually did not
expect him to be this little Dalek like creature inside
this this almost inside this, this mech were driving this giant,
(29:52):
this giant Shredder, But I am I appreciate the concept,
and I think as a villain he definitely worked because
they really wanted to raise the stakes, because you're celebrating
your twenty fifth anniversary, so you want to do it
in style. And the fact that even Kang, when he
hopped into his little robot there, got so easily destroyed
by you Trump shred it tells you how formidable this
(30:13):
guy actually can be. So once again, I'm actually go
and visit the three version of the Turtles, watch a
couple of episodes and see what I make of it.
So I think I think it worked for the most part,
and I'm like, wow, I didn't even know that shred
Ha had a daughter. We live and learn. So before
we get to ratings, the guys, is there anything else
you'd like to point out about this movie that we
did not talk about, or any other characters, like say,
(30:35):
I know because we didn't talk about I know, April
o'nio and Casey for example, or any of the other
other things that show up in this film. Is anything, guys,
you guys would like to mention.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's funny you mentioned April and deal. It's when the
three Turtles go back to eighty seven. They just rag
on her straight up, like why you were in a jumpsuit?
A you a mechanic? Like what do you do? And
she's like, I'm a reporter for what it? So it's
funny when they flip dimensions, they then flip personalities. For
a lack of better term, the Three's are ragging on
(31:07):
the eighty seven. The eighty seven is like, we'll be
right back. We have to go see April. It's like
a weekly thing. And they were, you know, they had
that shtick and even April was like, yeah, these guys
have been really stacking up and I was like, womp, womp, womp,
and then even I will say the one nice thing
was Splinter was relatively the same in both cartoons. Obviously
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the art style was different, but in terms of personality
and how he interacted with the turtles was consistent, and
it is relatively consistent across multiple iterations of this cartoon.
Newer ones have the same kind of Splinter where he
is very much the mentor father figure, and same scenario here,
(31:49):
and he just automatically takes the turtles in, no fuss,
no must He's like, all right, come on, guys, here's
some tea, we'll we'll talk it out and do some
stuff and whatever, and they're like okay, And when eighty
seven three he does the exact same thing. So it
was nice to see that consistency across the cartoons.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Joe, did you have anything else you would like to add?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, I know we would probably be pressed for time
to add more characters on, but maybe a little bit
more with Casey and April, because I believe somewhere, maybe
some later series, maybe the comics, Raf and Casey do
become friends. So it's almost kind of touched upon, but
(32:35):
not really, especially when Casey's you know, down in the
pit where the techno drone was, and he's like, no,
they're all gone, and you can kind of tell that
he eats friends with them, but yeah, not really, at
least we don't see it anyway. So yeah, it would
be nice see a little more of them. I like
you brought up about ragging on April O'Neil wearing the
(32:58):
yellow jumpsuit, but then we go back to three and
she's wearing a yellow and black kind of jumpsuit, just
not baggy. So yeah, they could rag on her a
little bit. But I guess you can't really get away
from the yellow thing, even though they got away from
the career thing.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I think eventually, I think so too. And plus, you know,
I guess different styles, different fashions of the time. Of course,
in the late eighties that looks that may it makes sense,
and obviously in two thousand and three your style was
going to be slightly different. I did find the version
of April in two thousand and three a little bit jarring.
(33:36):
She looks so much younger compared to our April Oniu
in eighty seven. I mean, I'm assuming the eighty seventy
the version of Aprin you that we see is probably
in her early twenties, possibly maybe a slightly bit older,
but the one from two thousand and three very much
looked like a child, or very much almost looked like
a I suppose they wanted to make her look more
(33:57):
as of a teenager to obviously fit in with our Turtles.
I'm not sure, but because Casey seemed older than she did,
at least in that version. I mean, I'm not saying
that's a problem, but the design just kind of threw
me off a little bit when it came to two
thousand and three version of April. And the other thing that,
as I mentioned earlier, was it was kind of cool,
you know, towards the end of this movie is to
(34:18):
hear lead an Eastman, you know, talking about you know,
seeing like the artwork of theirs and talking about getting
pets and such. As I thought it was it was
nice that for the twenty fifth anniversary they actually had
the creators of this franchise and all these characters literally
be in this movie. Because twenty fifth anniversary you don't
have them. I think it would have been a major
sin against it. So getting them to ratings. Joe, starting
(34:40):
with you, what do you give Turtles Forever? Out of ten.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I give this an eight out of ten. Transimensional portal Flash,
I mean portal sticks. Unfortunately, my portal stick doesn't work
very well, so maybe I can't travel over the dimensions.
It's definitely worth a watch. Maybe depending on who you
talk to, you might be more for fans than just
a random casual like, oh, look a Turtles movie I've
(35:07):
never seen, and I'm not into the franchise as well.
It's definitely a love letter to TMNT as a whole
throughout the years, especially when we do see the when
they're in the device that's supposed to rip them apart
to find where Eternal Prime is. You see all the
different versions of the Turtles, and there's a lot of
(35:29):
Easter eggs in there of different ones, like the two
episode Japanese anime that was in there. That was interesting,
the fact that they show the nineties movie Turtles, they
show the TMNT from I think it was twenty thirteen
whatever that came out, and then there's a bunch of
other ones that I don't know, but I'm very certain
they're from different comic variations throughout the years, and it's
(35:52):
really cool to see that. But being twenty fifth anniversary.
I can understand why. I mean, come on, five years,
you better do something. I mean, like I said before,
this movie came out during a time where it seemed
like they were kind of in a weird spot with
the Turtles franchise because you had this series ending in
(36:14):
about two thousand and nine, and then the next version
of the Turtles, at least on TV wise, wasn't coming
out for at least another couple of years, so it's
kind of in an empty area. So it was good.
And the Easter eggs not just that one room, but
throughout the whole thing, tons of little bits, like with
(36:35):
the eighty seven Turtles, they'll do little weird errors like
they used to do back in the original show, with
like the wrong Turtle voice coming out with the wrong character,
or like different parts of the animation being a little
extra wonky, and you know, and then what we talked
about earlier with the eighty four Turtles, just doing the
amazing work that they did to make it look like
(36:55):
a comic from that era.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Great stuff, Dick Keith, what do you give this one?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'm gonna have to agree it's definitely an eight for me.
I remember the cartoon and I did watch this when
it Like I had mentioned before, I watched it when
it aired in context to the rest of the show.
This popped up between I think it was a season
what was it, like right for season seven, so it
(37:25):
was right for the show ended and right before, like
we're saying, everything picked up, So it was like the
nice little filler episode of like you know.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Doctor Who.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
We're just kind of like, all right, I'm gonna wait
for the next story to pick up, and we're just
gonna throw something in here for kind of fan service.
And it was great fan service, as you mentioned, all
the little little pictures of all the different characters, of
all the different iterations, and granted they didn't have anything
for the newer shows, but up until that point, everything
that they had ever done was in at least a
(37:53):
little image somewhere on the screen. So it was nice
fan service to be like, oh I remember that or
oh I know that one. So it's fun. It's a
good eight out of ten. It's a fun filler thing
to watch when you don't have nothing else going on.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's a great way of putting it. I'm I'm actually
gonna got this a seven and a half out of ten.
I did enjoy it. I might actually revisit it at
some point, but it definitely, what I will say, did
inspire me to want to watch the two thousand and
three a couple of episodes of the two thousand and
three TV show just to see, you know, consistency wise,
(38:27):
what these characters are like on a regular basis one
episode to another. You just may check that out. That
definitely sparked my interest. Other than that time, as I
said before, I'm glad I got to watch it. There
were some moments where as I felt, maybe I'm not
the right demographic for this, maybe there are things that
are annoying me too much when they shouldn't be annoying me,
or the writers are doing their job and they're making
(38:50):
you feeling and feel annoyed because you're at that age
and you can't stand these kind of jokes. But it
was nice to revisit with especially eighty seven Turtles, which,
as I mentioned before, played a large part in my
childhood and I was a huge fan of them in
both languages, both in English and Italian, and I still
have the theme, the Italian version of the theme playing
(39:11):
in my head as we speak, and it's very, very different.
If you have never heard of it, you should go
get the to YouTube and check out the Italian theme
of the Teenage Mutant Ninjaittals from eighty seven, completely different
from what we know from the OG. But yes, I
would biologe call it a nice trip down memory lane
and memorable it was for the most part. So you're
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getting to recommendations, Keith, did you have anything you'd like
to recommend to our listeners this week if they in
fact enjoyed Turtles Forever?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, I'm going to go with the completely obvious ones,
and I know it's a shock, but definitely check out
the two thousand and three to twenty ten Turtles and
then if you're really hate yourself or you want to
reminisce the original eighty seven to ninety six Turtles. Me personally,
I'm also a fan of the twenty twelve to twenty
(40:02):
seventeen that had David Tennant, but I'm also partial to
Tenant as my favorite doctor, so that is what it is.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Very nice. I'll have you have to check that out then,
And because I did not know that David was a
pot of the project. And Joe, do you have anything
you'd like to recommend.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Definitely explore the Turtle verse. I have been going through
the IDW TMNT from twenty eleven to twenty twenty four
comics series about halfway through, give or take. That's actually
really good. Obviously this came out after this movie, but
it's definitely somewhere between like the Mirage and maybe like
(40:46):
the twenty or twenty and three Turtles, somewhere in that
range of style. If you really want to dive deep,
you can go into the Archie Comics TMNT series from
eighty eight to ninety five. It's based on the eighty
seven Turtles, so do without what you will. And then,
(41:06):
if I really want to make Keith cringe, how about
the coming out of their Shells album from the music
tour that they did in the nineties. It's cringey, but
you know what, it's amazing, fun, good times, good times.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Anything in the southern nineties. By and large, it can
get rather cheesy, but it's always entertaining. And I guess,
and I will cap it off by saying, if you've
never read one of the OG comics from eighty four,
you know by as I said, the Dynamic duo led
An Eastman, definitely check those out, And speaking of which,
if you want to go into the toy side of
the Turtles, because toy etik they are and continue to be,
(41:48):
check out The Toys That Made Us. It's a fantastic
series from Netflix, and it dives into multiple toy franchises
which were very dear to quite a few of us,
and among them there is one devoted entirely to the
teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And it also dives into the
(42:09):
relationship between Lead and Eastman, how they were best friends,
had a falling out and such, and I won't spoil
the rest of it, but it does give you an
idea of where these where these creatures came from. And
they're two parents I suppose who brought them onto the
printed page and then they just flew off from there
and did all these amazing things. So definitely check out
the Toys The Toys That Made Us if you have
(42:31):
not checked that series out before. Very entertaining and then
definitely worth a watch. So, dear listeners, if you want to,
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(43:15):
who have done so in the future, Thank you to
those who will. So Joe. When you're not here discussing
those heroes in the half shell, where can folks find
you on the interwebs?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
M Well, you can find me on Blue Sky at
Reasonable Cloth. Not too active on there, but that's my
one main presence, and you can also find me on
other episodes of the Happiness and Darkness Podcast discussing Turtles
Hulk last section hero tons of different movies can maybe
(43:46):
not tons, but at least a handful of different movies.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yes, it seems like the green theme is definitely alive
in you, and that's that's a wonderful thing and Keith.
Where can folks find you?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Oh, you know what, I'm not trying to the world
with my turtles and my killer Gum from Dimension X.
You can find me on Let's See Star Trek the
Undiscovered podcast. I did a handful of episodes there, Hour
of Comics, Gold Standard and just for the record, boys
and girls and everybody in between. I have a horrific
(44:19):
movie for the next time I'm on Gold Standard. I'm
not gonna spoil it anymore, but Nick, You've earned this
one many times over. And then when I'm out there
torturing them on our Facebook, you can always reach out
to me through Messenger or just comment on one of
our posts. I'm always ready, willing and able to talk
about cartoons, comic books, lions, tigers, bears on.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I fantastic and now I'm definitely looking forward to hearing
or finding out later down the line. What's horrendous movie
you selected for myself and my co hosts. That said
before before we get to that, when it comes to me,
you can find me in my day job hosting the
radio show Whiskey and Cigarettes. Well, we play the very
best and nothing but the best of country music for
(45:00):
you guys from Malabama. Who's Zach Brown. For more information
about that, you can be is our website which is
Whiskey and Cigarettes Show dot com. Podcast Wise, as Keith
was alluding to, you cam by myself and there's two
lovely ladies Rachel Friend and Zan Sprouse on gold Standard
the Oscars podcast, where we have reviewed all the Best
Picture winning movies in chronological order. Now as we wait
(45:21):
for the ninety eighth Best Picture to reveal itself, we're
currently reviewing movies that we have selected and we also
have returning in new guest co hosts bring their favorite
films to the gold Standard theater. We recently reviewed Seven
that was a Charles Skagg's special selection. He came on
to discuss, of course, our first David Fincher film with us,
and we're going to be continuing the darkness on gold Standards.
(45:44):
Up next, we will review a movie that Rachel picked
and that is Get Out of Course, the Jordan Peel film,
So there there gonna be some great thoughts on that
and last but saying not least myself and that Charles
Skagg's Guy can currently be found on the Fandom Zone podcast.
We recently wrapped up our review of the second season
of The Samman, and coming up next we'll be reviewing
(46:06):
the second season of Peacemaker, going on that episode by episode,
so we'll see how that shapes up and spieldings to
come on this show. Next time we'll be taking on
a film that took place ten years since Turtles Forever,
and that will be the twenty nineteen m Night Charmalan
film Glass. And it certain Christine Peruski might be returning
(46:29):
to discuss us with us. You have to hang around
and and find out if that will be the case.
Hopefully it will be so. First off, Joe, speaking of you,
thank you so much for joining us again today. It
was a joy to have you on as always. I'm
sure I can speak for Keith as well when I
say that, and we definitely look forward to you returning
to the show again with more of your selections.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Thank you grabbing me on and if I figure out
another movie, I will pass along and see if Ie
come on.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Turtle movie if you can find me and I'll try
to watch it. Mayhem go.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Oh, there are multiple ones that I'm sure that we
could talk about. And Keith, anything you would like to
add on our next movie or anything else. Before we
set off.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna have a fun time ripping this movie
to shreds.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I'm just gonna put it like that.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I'm not even gonna be not even gonna let you
guys guess how I feel about this movie. It'll be
an interesting watch.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Whilst years you're going to be the shredder.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
If you will, I shall be the shredder of this one.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
So I guess the gloves areamp. I know to blame
it on nineteen eighty seven messing with my head, But
I guess the gloves are off when it comes to Keith,
when it comes to our next movie. So I guess
we'll see what that's all about. Well, folks, thanks to
listen show and supporting us. We will see you next
time with Glass. Until then, thank you so much for
(47:52):
the prove of your time. Stay super Chat
It's a special world premiere exclusive. They are back Turtle Power.
Speaker 2 (00:07):
And I got the faces.
Speaker 1 (00:09):
We're good to go show, and they're joining the Turtles
of today.
Speaker 2 (00:15):
So Evil, come and face your dude. He's my goodness.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
I don't want to listen anything.
Speaker 1 (00:25):
Can't. It's so jam packed with turtles. We have to
make a movie just to fit them.
Speaker 2 (00:30):
All in fair ship. Last dude, why crack me up?
Speaker 1 (00:37):
He hate those turtles.
Speaker 2 (00:39):
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Speaker 3 (00:44):
Saturday morning, November twenty First on me on the CW
for Chits.
Speaker 2 (00:49):
Show people, and welcome to our three hundred and fifth
episode of Happiness and Darkness is Superior Movie Podcast where
we discuss superior movies, Marvel, DC Doco's image and more. Naturally,
there will be spoilers, folks, so you have been warned.
I'm one of your co hosts. Didjinick there's always joining
me as my superhero partner. Incame mister Keith bless Hey, Keith,
(01:11):
how's life treating you today?
Speaker 3 (01:13):
Oh?
Speaker 1 (01:13):
You know, I'm up to my ears in grass and moisture.
We're getting hammered with rain here on the East coast,
so you're worried about how I'm just going to be
swamping and do what I gotta do.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Well, at least you're the right color. At least you
know you brought the green, which is good because today
is going to be all about green indeed, and joining
us once again, returning to the podcast, and it's wonderful
having back on. Of course it's been a while, like
last week, mister Joe. Fairies, Hey Joe, how are you?
And welcome back.
Speaker 3 (01:43):
Now that's what I call. And then you're vanish. Oh
I'm doing all right then, Nick, thanks try to help
me out again.
Speaker 2 (01:51):
Well, we're both very happy to have you back on
with us, of course, Joe. And today we are discussing
the movie that you selected that I believe neither myself,
I know I had I believe Keith hadn't seen either.
Today we are discussing Turtles Forever from two thousand and nine.
This was directed by Roy Berdine and Lloyd Goldfein, who
co wrote the film with Rob David and Matthew Deurdic.
(02:12):
This was aired by the CW four Kids to celebrate
the franchise's twenty fifth birthday. So, Joe, starting with you
as you are our guest today. What are your general
impressions on this one and what made you decide you
want to bring Turtles Forever to the podcast.
Speaker 3 (02:30):
Well, I decided to bring this one because I don't
really hear about this one discussed too often in the mainstream.
It usually gets overlooked, especially since it came out two
thousand and nine, which from what I've seen, is kind
of a drought era, or at least before a renaissance
that happened with I think was the Nickelodeon Turtles. I
(02:50):
haven't watched it, so I don't know, but it's just there.
I originally saw this I think a copy of it
was on YouTube about Posh's sap size and it was
terrible quality, but it was intriguing. But a multiverse of Turtles.
Who would have thought, I guess makes sense though, with
(03:13):
how many times this franchise has had reboots, sequels, and
other random things made for it. Is it a perfect movie? No,
but it is a bit of fun. Everything from the
early two thousands gritty and edgy anime inspired television content
that was being put out at the time, to the lovable,
(03:33):
carefree late eighties just dumb fun, and then the little
bit at the end the colorless nineteen eighty four origin
story that kind of brought everybody into the world of
tourtal power. It's intriguing. It definitely had a really good
cast and a lot of good cameos throughout visually, and
(03:56):
also ones that were brought to the screen as like
full on characters with voices as well.
Speaker 2 (04:03):
Oh that's great stuff. And Keith, I know, I believe
you had not seen this one, so well, what did
you make of it on your first watch?
Speaker 1 (04:12):
So I have to fact check myself. Apparently I did
watch this a million years ago in two thousand and nine,
and since it's been almost a decade, I had forgotten.
And the only reason I remembered this is as I
started the movie, I had remembered the ending about everything
that happened in this movie, and I was like, oh, yeah,
I did watch this a decade ago. So you know,
(04:32):
I'm old in senile, So I apologize fans. I lied.
Apparently I have seen this. It's an interesting watch. It's
funny because I did watch the original Turtles because I'm
old as hell, and then I watched the Turtles that
this one was based on, not all of it, but
a good portion of it, and it's just different points
in my life, Like I was a little goober when
the first set of Turtles came out and that you know,
(04:54):
scratched that h when I was a little kid, and
then as I got older, this older quote unquote older
generation to tur was kind of matched up with my
personality at the time, and it really is basically me
in a nutshell, Like if you see or with Michaelangelo
in the old classic show and then Michaelangelo of the
newer one, eventually he just gets fed up with his
own crap and he's like, guys, will you just calm down?
(05:16):
Like that? That's literally me, like I'm an idiot one
point and then I'm just like everything annoys me at
the next point. So it's funny to see this now
and remember when this aired at what points in my life,
I'm like, yeah, this movie shit sums me up very well.
Speaker 2 (05:31):
And I believe when we've done other Turtle films. You
were familiar with the Og Eastman led comics.
Speaker 1 (05:37):
Yes, uh yeah, Like peripherally I had read some of them,
but not as well versed as say Marvel X Men
and Ironman and Batman Robin type of stuff. But I
knew enough of them to be dangerous.
Speaker 2 (05:53):
Great stuff, and I will say it was kind of fun.
That said that Led Niceman didn't make a cameo in
this film. That said, when it came to me, this
is the first time I actually got to watch this,
and I was wondering because when I did my research
found that was literally a celebration of the was for
the twenty fifth anniversary of the franchise. So I was like, oh,
this was probably going to do something pretty epic, pretty cool,
(06:16):
and by and large, I think they did. It'scarius how
this predates so many multiverse stories which are now the thing,
So I guess one could almost say it was sort
of ahead of its time because if you go and
look at the MCU iron Man had just come out
a year prior to this, we had never you know,
everything ever real all at once. Was still a gleam
when it came to in the eye of its creators
(06:38):
when it came to film. So the multiverse concept obviously
was still there. I mean you'd seen it in comics
and such, especially, but TV wise, I think it was
still It wasn't a concept that been played with too much,
so I guess you could almost. I'm not saying this
film isn't necessarily groundbreaking, but it definitely was ahead of
the queue when it came to this concept, which, like
I said, is now so popular, some say maybe overused,
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so I will applaud them for that. There were moments
where I agree with Keith. I was kind of feeling
like the nineteen eighty four version of The Turtles when
it came to the nineteen eighty seven one where they
were it was really grating on me. But I think
that was it was supposed to feel that way. Also, obviously,
I'm forty two now, so I'm looking at this from
a different, different perspective compared to how they've seen this. Say,
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when it came out, I've probably have been, oh man,
this is amazing. I love it. I did enjoy it,
but as I said, there were times I'm like, oh man,
they're so annoying. Can't they just leave already? But the
story was cool. I thought it was nice to bring in,
you know, to Joe's point, some cameos from all the
various franchises that we play with in this in this
particular movie. So I was pleased with that, and I
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think that also the pacing was was good as well,
because you have to bear in mind, I guess that
you're going to be having both, you know, adults and
kids watching this because it is very much a family
friendly movie. So obviously you want to keep you know,
you're young attention, and you obviously don't want the bore
your adults either, and I think that this movie does
do that pretty well. So I was I was pleased
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with some I'm glad that Joah introduced this, at least
to me, because you know you've seen it. Keith's I'm
glad that now I can say I've seen it. So
let's get to our castles on the boards. Kicking off
with not four, not eight, but twelve turtles coming together.
We have the two thousand and three Turtles, the nineteen
eighty seven turtles from the two respective TV shows, and
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the OG nineteen eighty four comics Turtles of course from
the comics. So Keith, starting with you, what did you
make of these twelve turtles.
Speaker 1 (08:39):
It's interesting to watch them all together because of just
the different styles in terms of appearance, the characters themselves,
the voices that the mannerisms, all the different personalities. You
have three Rafael's and all three of them, and they're
different but similar enough. And even the super Duper Evil
(09:03):
Shredder points out that all these characters are kind of
a derivative of this core Ninja Turtle group, and you
can see the similarities across them. I thought it was
interesting that they did the eighty four in a very noir,
you know, gravelly like, oh the rain is on my face.
Oh I stepped on a rock, and you're like, okay,
(09:23):
I don't need all this narration. They're champ like, I
can watch this stuff like we're doing this at the
same time, we don't need all this extra voiceover Shenanigans.
But it was to really play up that art style
and those types of characters, because if you, you know,
you read the comic books and you start that inner
dialogue yourself, and this is the voices you hear. So
it's fun to see all three of them together and
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just the wacky Shenanians that ensue when you get through
the eighty seven Turtles. They are the slapstick comedy relief
of the group, period, doesn't matter which one you're talking about,
all four of them are the comedy relief of their counterparts.
You have Donna Tello, who's like, just bang on it. It'll work.
And you're like, no, that's not how science works. He's like, yes,
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it is. Bang bang bang bang bang. He's like, no, dude,
you literally just made a flashlight. He's like no, and
he's just banging on it some more. And even in
the flashback scene when they're doing the how we got
here portion of the story, you see Dontello just like
punch this piece of metal which shouldn't have been broken
in that manner, and then just tie a bunch of
cables together and like in a bow, and he's like, look,
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e re wired everything. You're like, dude, this is the
Tom and Jerry of science. Holy crap. And but when
we're kids and we're watching this, we just kind of like, cool,
all right, this is great, and you just run with
it because you're a little kid and your imagination just
fills in the blanks. Yourself. Now as an adult, you're like,
you're an idiot, Like this doesn't work like that. And
that's why when you see the older Turtles, there are
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the older Don Tello. He's very like analytical and very science.
He's like, no, that's not how this, you know, the
thing work in our dimension and blah blah blah blah blah.
They the eighty seven turtles very much have cartoon dynamic
on their side, and that's why everything just works, like
the uh what was it? The exploding throwing stars and
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the roller skates and all the other Shenanians. Again, when
we're kids, it makes perfect sense as adults like, no,
that doesn't work. And the fact that the older turtles
heckle the younger turtles is also entertaining. So I liked
how they played off of each other. And I know
I've probably stolen a bunch of the thunder from the
two of you, and I apologize, But you know, it's
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twelve characters. You're gonna have a lot of to talk about.
Speaker 2 (11:43):
Well, yes, there's definitely a lot to talk about. And
speaking of a lot to talk about it, Joe, what
did you make about twelve turtles?
Speaker 3 (11:51):
Well, there was twelve of them, that's for sure. Well,
I think the two three turtles. I know they're supposed
to be based a little more on the Mara comics,
which is nice, but they sometimes are a little too serious,
but not as serious as say the nineteen eighty four
Gritty I'm going to rip your face off turtles, and
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it helps balance out the whole group. You know, they're
they're kind of in the middle when it comes to everything. Though,
this is the generation that I have the least connection with.
I don't hate them. I do enjoy to an extent
their flat, edgy look. It at least makes them look
different from the rest of the turtles. Also make they're
taller physically. If you see them all stand next week,
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they're much bigger. And they have a very interesting choice
of language. They always use, not swear words or phrases
that would consider put them in there like what the
show Okay, that's different. I guess definitely edgy. Maybe I
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spent more time watching that series, I would have probably
enjoyed them more, But unfortunately I came out during a
time where I really wasn't watching as much television. So
who's to say the eighty four Turtles they did capture
them quite well with their footloose and fancy free way
of just doing everything, like Keith was saying, you know,
punching through a control panel, tying wires not and there
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you go. You just rewired something that's just goofy and dumb,
but very, very very quirky and fun, the anti technodrome,
roller skates, the throwing stars. I mean, come on, yes,
those were fun and probably were things in the cartoon
from if I could remember that far back, you know,
like the rest I am old too. They do represent
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at least each Turtle very well, even all the generations.
If you watch, like you said, they're all similar, the
different rafiles, different Michael Njo's. It's just they have their
own little spin to them, especially like the eighty four.
At the very end, they kind of start doing stuff
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that was similar, like they're going to grab a slice pizza,
and like the Mikey is a little more playful. That's
kind of cool. But to get back to the Four Turtles,
I love their animation style. I love the halftone dot
backgrounds that they had going on. They really did a
great job of mimicking those original comic books in this
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World and even making them look three D even though
they're two D. The only thing that maybe be a
little unfortunate because of how comic books versus television is
those Turtles have one version that we see on the screen,
but if you do go through those original comics, they
do change slightly throughout in the different looks, but I mean,
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we're limited to what we can see on the screen
for the very brief time we do see them, which
I think it's probably the biggest flaw that I've found
with this. I wish they could have had a little
more time with that era, because I think they could
have maybe had more fun with them and really brought
out what made the Turtles and that era different compared
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to everything we've seen in all the other versions of
the cartoons. But again, they had to wrap up the
story and get it over with because if not, it
would have went on forever. As the Turtle says.
Speaker 2 (15:30):
Most likely I As I said before, this was the
first time I watched this, but I thought it was
kind of cool that we got to see these different
generation of Turtles, granted the eighty four and eighty seven
twenty three years apart, but so different at the same time.
Because I even recall, you know, picking up my first
issue of the Turtles from that era, and yeah, you know,
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because i'd been used to the nineteen eighty seven one's,
those were the turtles that I'd grown up with as
a kid, and then somebody hands me a comics like
it's completely different from the comics. I'm like, wow, they
are so much edgier, they are so much more violent.
It's completely different Kettler Fish. Because of course, in the
nineteen eighty seven cartoon they sanitized a lot of the
violence that our original four got up to. But what
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was really weird here. As much as I really enjoyed
and loved the Turtles from eighty seven, here they annoyed
me no end. I really felt like the two thousand
and three version and the og version because it really
felt that like they were the youngsters of the group,
the annoying teenagers, while as the others definitely seemed more adult.
So they almost seemed like they were not necessarily saying
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babysitting them, but they were like what the hell are
they doing? And yes, the fact that they kept cracking
jokes and so on that it's I'm not saying it
pulled me out of the film, but it did annoy
me a little bit because I thought, to myself, this
is usually what Mikey does, not all four of them,
unless I'm misremembering the nineteen eighty seven cartoon, Because it
seemed to me that the one who would kind of,
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you know, mess around the most was Mikey compared to
the other three, But here it seemed like they were
constantly making bad puns and they were really bad. And
so I kind of watching this, I would kind of
like to go and watch the version from two thousand
and three, the actual series, because those are turtles. I
guess that maybe now at my age I can relate
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to more compared to once eighty seven. But by and large,
I think that they did work together as a as
a twelve as twelve turtles, and they got to do
every group got to do a little bit of something,
so that was nice, and it also reminded me, well
reminded me. This predated that as well of the Spider
Verse films as well, because of all the various versions
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of the Spider Man that you get here, it's a
similar kind of concept. And so I wore applaud as
I said how forward thinking this concept was, and I
think was a great way to celebrate twenty five years
of an amazing franchise. But what my takeaway from these
Turtles was I kind of want to go and see
more of the two thousand and three version, because those
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guys seem really cool and they seem to have it
together more than the nineteen eighty seven ones when it
came to nineteen eighty four. To your point, Joe, I
love the setting. It reminded me a lot of something
like Sin City for example. And yes, it is rather
hilarious when you hear what would suppose will usually be
thought bubbles being spoken in this narrative tone, which is
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very much akin to something like a Sin City or
something more noir based, kind of like Spider Man Noir
for example as well. So I thought it was really cool.
I would have liked to have spent more time with
them and in that world. But once again, this movie
is I think about eighty minutes long, and so you
have to you have to get things going, like, yeah,
we showed you the nineteen eighty four Turtles, but we
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have to defeat the enemy and get the heck out
of here. So I can see why we didn't get
to spend as much time with the on Turtle Prime
compared to our other two groups. But I think we
got enough. So let's round off our characters with our
main villain or villains. We have Correlle aka the Utrom Shredder,
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and of course the nineteen eighty seven and nineteen eighty four.
Shredders also make an appearance in the course we have
Krang showing up and Rockstadium Bebop, but I think the
focus here is mostly on, of course Shredders throughout. So
Joe starting with you, what did he make of the
Eutrom Shredder and the appearances of his counterparts from eighty
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seven to eighty.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Four, Well, dude, take a chill pill. That guy is
hard core, series and over the top. Yes, it's a
different take than many of the other versions that we've seen,
even some of the versions that we saw in the movies.
He was even more than what they were. I would
say this zutterm share is probably even more aggressive and
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mean than even the Supershredder from Turtles two. But we
only saw him briefly and he got destroyed by wood,
so it's a nice change of pace. Though, this, from
what I can tell, is the only appearance of this
version of the Shudder that's Outram was just made for
this one specifically. He might have tried to come back
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and something else, but maybe not. Do I like him,
I think so. I don't know if I'd like him
to be the main villain all the time. Because it
just would be almost too much if he was constantly
that way. We did see a little bit of a
flashback when they first found the Shredder in this movie
him basically just destroying the Turtles at different moments, and
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it's nice, but he almost seems like he's a little overpowered.
But maybe that's the point of it in this series,
I don't know. Like I said, I didn't really follow
this one too closely. Now, the eighty seven Shredder, he's
very much outside of the voice had to be different.
He's very much the exact same character. He's a whiny,
ready spoiled child. It never gets his way, and that
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gets annoying. The one side of me says nostalgia, yay.
The others like yay. It's the same one, very similar
to Like the other two here have brought up about
the Turtles from eighty seven being that same level of bumbling,
fumbling incompetent fools. But it was nice for him to
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be there. It really did help mellow out the main
character being the darker Shrudder and then his little friends
of Craying and rock Sane be about being there craying
a little bit more, but they really didn't do too much.
The eighty four Shrudder super brief and really just a
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quick gag. I'm actually kind of disappointed. I really wish
they would have let him go a little farther. I mean,
he got destroyed by garbage cans. It fell off a building.
Speaker 1 (22:00):
Uh cool.
Speaker 3 (22:02):
Hopefully he didn't fall into the back of the garbage truck.
But maybe he did. But I don't know. I am
a little this point. We didn't get see more of
that at least see where they wanted to go with it.
But like in the Oriental comic books if you haven't
read them, he doesn't last too long either, So I
guess maybe that was a way of saying, yeah, we
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don't got nothing for him. That's eh, okay, whatever, he's over.
Speaker 2 (22:28):
Yeah, that's an excellent point. And Keith, when it comes
to you, where we saw Kang being defeated by ants,
here we see a shred of being defeated by garbage. So, yeah,
what do you make about three shredders and feel free
of pose to touch up on any of the sidekicks
of course.
Speaker 1 (22:44):
Well, it's interesting to show them. The three Shredder is
very much or it reminds me a lot of say Thanos,
where he is just over the top and seeing crazy
and he's doing everything he can to you know, take
over the multi verse and destroy everything and blah blah
blah blah blah. Then you have the eighty seven Shredder,
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who is the reader or pulsa of super villains. He
just whins literally every five seconds, like I can't believe
he took my chair or this and that and blah
blah blah, you know, every possible thing. He's like having
a meltdown over, which you know, I get it because
he thinks he's the big bad guy and then gets
beaten up by essentially a spiky jellyfish looking thing, So
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you know, to get your butt beat by a space thing,
I would whine all the time too. So you know,
it's fine. Rock Staden Bebop. They're the village idiots. They've
always been the village. It's they've stayed to that, true
to that. The fact that they tripped over an extension
cord to unplug the terror Drome, which I don't understand
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why if everything is super high tech advance, you run
on an extension gourd. The fact that Shredder Utron was
making fun of eighty seven Shredders tech. He's like, this
is stupid and this and that. I mean, once we
replace it with our tech, it'll be amazing. And don't
get me wrong, they do it. It's a huge upgrade
from the original to what he then takes across the multiverse.
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But again he's defeated by an extension cord essentially, I mean,
I get it. You know, the cartoon dynamics and all
that Shenanians and they had to give something for the
eighty seven characters to do, like you know, craying where
he's like, h over Burber crew and then he sneezes
all over them or burps at him or whatever, and
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he slims everybody. He's like and they're like, oh dude,
So all the Shenanigans that happen is all because of
the eighty seven crew, And that's pretty much parer for
that cartoon. You know, if something weird could happen, it did,
as we saw with all the other examples of the
flashlight portal gun, the blimp, which the two thousand and
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three Turtles were like, what is this? Why are we
going so slow? Why can't we go faster?
Speaker 2 (25:08):
Again?
Speaker 1 (25:09):
When we watched this as kids like, this is amazing.
It's a blimp and it comes up and it's a glider,
and now is adults you're like, con let's go. I
got shit to do. So I appreciate the fact that
this would be me as an adult making fun of
this cartoon. So the fact that they're saying this stuff
out loud is the same stuff I'm saying, like, this
stuff's stupid. Now when you finally get to the big
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bad battle at the end, the fact that he could
not and I get it. He was blinded by I
need to take out the turtles, and this was how
he was in the cartoon as well. He was very
much blinded by turtles, like he just had turtle rage
all the time. But the fact that he didn't catch
on to him destroying the original turtles would impact all
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the other universes. It was just I need to destroy
the turtles. And then he's starting to do this and
he's watching the universe collapse and he's like, map fit,
I'm gonna do it anyway, like really, and then rock
stading bebop, plug everything back in and boom boom, We're done.
So you know, it was very like, oh my god,
is everyone gonna survive up? Yeah, they are wamp wampomb
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So I like me personally. I like the art style
of the two thousand and three Shredder, and the meme
eighty four Shredder was just like we said. You know,
he was there for a hot second and he fell
off a roof and was defeated by trash, just like
in the original movie. But hey, what do I.
Speaker 2 (26:36):
Know that that's exactly it. I was hoping we would
get to see the nineteen eighty four shred end and
to see him. We did, albeit for a very very
brief moment, and I was a little bit disappointed. And
when I saw he was defeated by garbage, I'm like,
this is your villain, seriously and such a gritty, grim world.
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This is your villain, and this is how he's gonna
go down. Okay, now I might have I guess it
might be probably suffering from long term memory loss or something,
because I do not remember nineteen eighty seven Shredder being
this whiny to you guys's points, because I mean I
remembering him being more of a formidable villain to our turtles. Yes,
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he was constantly the butt of many jokes by them,
But he was, at least from when I could recall,
he came up with all these amazing plans, and just
like I suppose Wily Coyote, they always went terribly for him.
But you also partly in big part to the ineptitude
of folks like Rocksteady and Bebop. But he was complaining
all the time, and he literally sounded like this child
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who can't get his way, and so he's gonna moan
and groan and complain. And I kept thinking of myself,
is this the Shredder that I enjoyed for so many
years as a kid. I guess it must have been. Well,
I'll have to go back and rewatch the nineteen eighty
seven show and see if this if this line's up,
because like I said, my memory from back then is
shoddy at best, because I've not revisited this franchise, at
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least the animated side of it, in a long time.
But he was constantly getting on my nerves, and I
was thinking to myself, you deserve to be defeated because
you're just so pointless. What are you doing the eu
trom Shredder I thoroughly enjoyed. Guess he is way over
the top. He's almost in the other extreme compared to
our whiny Shreddit to where he is uber violent once
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the full bent on destruction no matter what the cost,
even if it means even putting himself out of existence.
To your point, keep this is how obsessed. Granted, all
the Shredders are pretty obsessed with our turtles, but Utrom
takes it to a whole other level where if I
can't destroy the turtles, and if it means me dying too,
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I will do it. This is how much I hate
these guys, to the point where his own daughter had
to intervene, saying, father, you don't understand what you're doing.
You're gonna kill us all. It's like, I don't care.
I'm like, what is going on? And of course, obviously
you know the steaks. You know things are going to
be okay and everything's going to be solved. But the
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fact that it was literally solved by plugging in a
plugging in a machine to a socket, and that's how
Utrom Shredder is defeated. It was a little bit lame,
but I suppose I don't know where the message here is.
Even though he's from the future compared to our our
other two versions of Shredder, he gets defeated by old Tech.
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I am trying to sort of piece together in my
mind what exactly they're trying to say here where it's
like you can always trust the old tech compared to
the new stuff. I don't know. But this was my
first time, of course, meeting the Utrom Shredder, and for
what I saw, I was interesting. I actually did not
expect him to be this little Dalek like creature inside
this this almost inside this, this mech were driving this giant,
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this giant Shredder, But I am I appreciate the concept,
and I think as a villain he definitely worked because
they really wanted to raise the stakes, because you're celebrating
your twenty fifth anniversary, so you want to do it
in style. And the fact that even Kang, when he
hopped into his little robot there, got so easily destroyed
by you Trump shred it tells you how formidable this
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guy actually can be. So once again, I'm actually go
and visit the three version of the Turtles, watch a
couple of episodes and see what I make of it.
So I think I think it worked for the most part,
and I'm like, wow, I didn't even know that shred
Ha had a daughter. We live and learn. So before
we get to ratings, the guys, is there anything else
you'd like to point out about this movie that we
did not talk about, or any other characters, like say,
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I know because we didn't talk about I know, April
o'nio and Casey for example, or any of the other
other things that show up in this film. Is anything, guys,
you guys would like to mention.
Speaker 1 (30:46):
It's funny you mentioned April and deal. It's when the
three Turtles go back to eighty seven. They just rag
on her straight up, like why you were in a jumpsuit?
A you a mechanic? Like what do you do? And
she's like, I'm a reporter for what it? So it's
funny when they flip dimensions, they then flip personalities. For
a lack of better term, the Three's are ragging on
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the eighty seven. The eighty seven is like, we'll be
right back. We have to go see April. It's like
a weekly thing. And they were, you know, they had
that shtick and even April was like, yeah, these guys
have been really stacking up and I was like, womp, womp, womp,
and then even I will say the one nice thing
was Splinter was relatively the same in both cartoons. Obviously
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the art style was different, but in terms of personality
and how he interacted with the turtles was consistent, and
it is relatively consistent across multiple iterations of this cartoon.
Newer ones have the same kind of Splinter where he
is very much the mentor father figure, and same scenario here,
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and he just automatically takes the turtles in, no fuss,
no must He's like, all right, come on, guys, here's
some tea, we'll we'll talk it out and do some
stuff and whatever, and they're like okay, And when eighty
seven three he does the exact same thing. So it
was nice to see that consistency across the cartoons.
Speaker 2 (32:08):
Joe, did you have anything else you would like to add?
Speaker 3 (32:12):
Yeah, I know we would probably be pressed for time
to add more characters on, but maybe a little bit
more with Casey and April, because I believe somewhere, maybe
some later series, maybe the comics, Raf and Casey do
become friends. So it's almost kind of touched upon, but
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not really, especially when Casey's you know, down in the
pit where the techno drone was, and he's like, no,
they're all gone, and you can kind of tell that
he eats friends with them, but yeah, not really, at
least we don't see it anyway. So yeah, it would
be nice see a little more of them. I like
you brought up about ragging on April O'Neil wearing the
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yellow jumpsuit, but then we go back to three and
she's wearing a yellow and black kind of jumpsuit, just
not baggy. So yeah, they could rag on her a
little bit. But I guess you can't really get away
from the yellow thing, even though they got away from
the career thing.
Speaker 2 (33:16):
I think eventually, I think so too. And plus, you know,
I guess different styles, different fashions of the time. Of course,
in the late eighties that looks that may it makes sense,
and obviously in two thousand and three your style was
going to be slightly different. I did find the version
of April in two thousand and three a little bit jarring.
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She looks so much younger compared to our April Oniu
in eighty seven. I mean, I'm assuming the eighty seventy
the version of Aprin you that we see is probably
in her early twenties, possibly maybe a slightly bit older,
but the one from two thousand and three very much
looked like a child, or very much almost looked like
a I suppose they wanted to make her look more
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as of a teenager to obviously fit in with our Turtles.
I'm not sure, but because Casey seemed older than she did,
at least in that version. I mean, I'm not saying
that's a problem, but the design just kind of threw
me off a little bit when it came to two
thousand and three version of April. And the other thing that,
as I mentioned earlier, was it was kind of cool,
you know, towards the end of this movie is to
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hear lead an Eastman, you know, talking about you know,
seeing like the artwork of theirs and talking about getting
pets and such. As I thought it was it was
nice that for the twenty fifth anniversary they actually had
the creators of this franchise and all these characters literally
be in this movie. Because twenty fifth anniversary you don't
have them. I think it would have been a major
sin against it. So getting them to ratings. Joe, starting
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with you, what do you give Turtles Forever? Out of ten.
Speaker 3 (34:45):
I give this an eight out of ten. Transimensional portal Flash,
I mean portal sticks. Unfortunately, my portal stick doesn't work
very well, so maybe I can't travel over the dimensions.
It's definitely worth a watch. Maybe depending on who you
talk to, you might be more for fans than just
a random casual like, oh, look a Turtles movie I've
(35:07):
never seen, and I'm not into the franchise as well.
It's definitely a love letter to TMNT as a whole
throughout the years, especially when we do see the when
they're in the device that's supposed to rip them apart
to find where Eternal Prime is. You see all the
different versions of the Turtles, and there's a lot of
(35:29):
Easter eggs in there of different ones, like the two
episode Japanese anime that was in there. That was interesting,
the fact that they show the nineties movie Turtles, they
show the TMNT from I think it was twenty thirteen
whatever that came out, and then there's a bunch of
other ones that I don't know, but I'm very certain
they're from different comic variations throughout the years, and it's
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really cool to see that. But being twenty fifth anniversary.
I can understand why. I mean, come on, five years,
you better do something. I mean, like I said before,
this movie came out during a time where it seemed
like they were kind of in a weird spot with
the Turtles franchise because you had this series ending in
(36:14):
about two thousand and nine, and then the next version
of the Turtles, at least on TV wise, wasn't coming
out for at least another couple of years, so it's
kind of in an empty area. So it was good.
And the Easter eggs not just that one room, but
throughout the whole thing, tons of little bits, like with
(36:35):
the eighty seven Turtles, they'll do little weird errors like
they used to do back in the original show, with
like the wrong Turtle voice coming out with the wrong character,
or like different parts of the animation being a little
extra wonky, and you know, and then what we talked
about earlier with the eighty four Turtles, just doing the
amazing work that they did to make it look like
(36:55):
a comic from that era.
Speaker 2 (36:58):
Great stuff, Dick Keith, what do you give this one?
Speaker 1 (37:03):
I'm gonna have to agree it's definitely an eight for me.
I remember the cartoon and I did watch this when
it Like I had mentioned before, I watched it when
it aired in context to the rest of the show.
This popped up between I think it was a season
what was it, like right for season seven, so it
(37:25):
was right for the show ended and right before, like
we're saying, everything picked up, So it was like the
nice little filler episode of like you know.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Doctor Who.
Speaker 1 (37:32):
We're just kind of like, all right, I'm gonna wait
for the next story to pick up, and we're just
gonna throw something in here for kind of fan service.
And it was great fan service, as you mentioned, all
the little little pictures of all the different characters, of
all the different iterations, and granted they didn't have anything
for the newer shows, but up until that point, everything
that they had ever done was in at least a
(37:53):
little image somewhere on the screen. So it was nice
fan service to be like, oh I remember that or
oh I know that one. So it's fun. It's a
good eight out of ten. It's a fun filler thing
to watch when you don't have nothing else going on.
Speaker 2 (38:07):
That's a great way of putting it. I'm I'm actually
gonna got this a seven and a half out of ten.
I did enjoy it. I might actually revisit it at
some point, but it definitely, what I will say, did
inspire me to want to watch the two thousand and
three a couple of episodes of the two thousand and
three TV show just to see, you know, consistency wise,
(38:27):
what these characters are like on a regular basis one
episode to another. You just may check that out. That
definitely sparked my interest. Other than that time, as I
said before, I'm glad I got to watch it. There
were some moments where as I felt, maybe I'm not
the right demographic for this, maybe there are things that
are annoying me too much when they shouldn't be annoying me,
or the writers are doing their job and they're making
(38:50):
you feeling and feel annoyed because you're at that age
and you can't stand these kind of jokes. But it
was nice to revisit with especially eighty seven Turtles, which,
as I mentioned before, played a large part in my
childhood and I was a huge fan of them in
both languages, both in English and Italian, and I still
have the theme, the Italian version of the theme playing
(39:11):
in my head as we speak, and it's very, very different.
If you have never heard of it, you should go
get the to YouTube and check out the Italian theme
of the Teenage Mutant Ninjaittals from eighty seven, completely different
from what we know from the OG. But yes, I
would biologe call it a nice trip down memory lane
and memorable it was for the most part. So you're
(39:33):
getting to recommendations, Keith, did you have anything you'd like
to recommend to our listeners this week if they in
fact enjoyed Turtles Forever?
Speaker 1 (39:41):
Well, I'm going to go with the completely obvious ones,
and I know it's a shock, but definitely check out
the two thousand and three to twenty ten Turtles and
then if you're really hate yourself or you want to
reminisce the original eighty seven to ninety six Turtles. Me personally,
I'm also a fan of the twenty twelve to twenty
(40:02):
seventeen that had David Tennant, but I'm also partial to
Tenant as my favorite doctor, so that is what it is.
Speaker 2 (40:11):
Very nice. I'll have you have to check that out then,
And because I did not know that David was a
pot of the project. And Joe, do you have anything
you'd like to recommend.
Speaker 3 (40:21):
Definitely explore the Turtle verse. I have been going through
the IDW TMNT from twenty eleven to twenty twenty four
comics series about halfway through, give or take. That's actually
really good. Obviously this came out after this movie, but
it's definitely somewhere between like the Mirage and maybe like
(40:46):
the twenty or twenty and three Turtles, somewhere in that
range of style. If you really want to dive deep,
you can go into the Archie Comics TMNT series from
eighty eight to ninety five. It's based on the eighty
seven Turtles, so do without what you will. And then,
(41:06):
if I really want to make Keith cringe, how about
the coming out of their Shells album from the music
tour that they did in the nineties. It's cringey, but
you know what, it's amazing, fun, good times, good times.
Speaker 2 (41:26):
Anything in the southern nineties. By and large, it can
get rather cheesy, but it's always entertaining. And I guess,
and I will cap it off by saying, if you've
never read one of the OG comics from eighty four,
you know by as I said, the Dynamic duo led
An Eastman, definitely check those out, And speaking of which,
if you want to go into the toy side of
the Turtles, because toy etik they are and continue to be,
(41:48):
check out The Toys That Made Us. It's a fantastic
series from Netflix, and it dives into multiple toy franchises
which were very dear to quite a few of us,
and among them there is one devoted entirely to the
teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles. And it also dives into the
(42:09):
relationship between Lead and Eastman, how they were best friends,
had a falling out and such, and I won't spoil
the rest of it, but it does give you an
idea of where these where these creatures came from. And
they're two parents I suppose who brought them onto the
printed page and then they just flew off from there
and did all these amazing things. So definitely check out
the Toys The Toys That Made Us if you have
(42:31):
not checked that series out before. Very entertaining and then
definitely worth a watch. So, dear listeners, if you want to,
of course share your thoughts on the films we discuss here,
you can shouldn't email to Happiness and Darkness how at
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(42:53):
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(43:15):
who have done so in the future, Thank you to
those who will. So Joe. When you're not here discussing
those heroes in the half shell, where can folks find
you on the interwebs?
Speaker 3 (43:26):
M Well, you can find me on Blue Sky at
Reasonable Cloth. Not too active on there, but that's my
one main presence, and you can also find me on
other episodes of the Happiness and Darkness Podcast discussing Turtles
Hulk last section hero tons of different movies can maybe
(43:46):
not tons, but at least a handful of different movies.
Speaker 2 (43:50):
Yes, it seems like the green theme is definitely alive
in you, and that's that's a wonderful thing and Keith.
Where can folks find you?
Speaker 1 (43:58):
Oh, you know what, I'm not trying to the world
with my turtles and my killer Gum from Dimension X.
You can find me on Let's See Star Trek the
Undiscovered podcast. I did a handful of episodes there, Hour
of Comics, Gold Standard and just for the record, boys
and girls and everybody in between. I have a horrific
(44:19):
movie for the next time I'm on Gold Standard. I'm
not gonna spoil it anymore, but Nick, You've earned this
one many times over. And then when I'm out there
torturing them on our Facebook, you can always reach out
to me through Messenger or just comment on one of
our posts. I'm always ready, willing and able to talk
about cartoons, comic books, lions, tigers, bears on.
Speaker 2 (44:38):
I fantastic and now I'm definitely looking forward to hearing
or finding out later down the line. What's horrendous movie
you selected for myself and my co hosts. That said
before before we get to that, when it comes to me,
you can find me in my day job hosting the
radio show Whiskey and Cigarettes. Well, we play the very
best and nothing but the best of country music for
(45:00):
you guys from Malabama. Who's Zach Brown. For more information
about that, you can be is our website which is
Whiskey and Cigarettes Show dot com. Podcast Wise, as Keith
was alluding to, you cam by myself and there's two
lovely ladies Rachel Friend and Zan Sprouse on gold Standard
the Oscars podcast, where we have reviewed all the Best
Picture winning movies in chronological order. Now as we wait
(45:21):
for the ninety eighth Best Picture to reveal itself, we're
currently reviewing movies that we have selected and we also
have returning in new guest co hosts bring their favorite
films to the gold Standard theater. We recently reviewed Seven
that was a Charles Skagg's special selection. He came on
to discuss, of course, our first David Fincher film with us,
and we're going to be continuing the darkness on gold Standards.
(45:44):
Up next, we will review a movie that Rachel picked
and that is Get Out of Course, the Jordan Peel film,
So there there gonna be some great thoughts on that
and last but saying not least myself and that Charles
Skagg's Guy can currently be found on the Fandom Zone podcast.
We recently wrapped up our review of the second season
of The Samman, and coming up next we'll be reviewing
(46:06):
the second season of Peacemaker, going on that episode by episode,
so we'll see how that shapes up and spieldings to
come on this show. Next time we'll be taking on
a film that took place ten years since Turtles Forever,
and that will be the twenty nineteen m Night Charmalan
film Glass. And it certain Christine Peruski might be returning
(46:29):
to discuss us with us. You have to hang around
and and find out if that will be the case.
Hopefully it will be so. First off, Joe, speaking of you,
thank you so much for joining us again today. It
was a joy to have you on as always. I'm
sure I can speak for Keith as well when I
say that, and we definitely look forward to you returning
to the show again with more of your selections.
Speaker 3 (46:50):
Thank you grabbing me on and if I figure out
another movie, I will pass along and see if Ie
come on.
Speaker 1 (46:57):
Turtle movie if you can find me and I'll try
to watch it. Mayhem go.
Speaker 2 (47:04):
Oh, there are multiple ones that I'm sure that we
could talk about. And Keith, anything you would like to
add on our next movie or anything else. Before we
set off.
Speaker 1 (47:14):
Yeah, I'm gonna have a fun time ripping this movie
to shreds.
Speaker 2 (47:18):
I'm just gonna put it like that.
Speaker 1 (47:19):
I'm not even gonna be not even gonna let you
guys guess how I feel about this movie. It'll be
an interesting watch.
Speaker 2 (47:26):
Whilst years you're going to be the shredder.
Speaker 1 (47:28):
If you will, I shall be the shredder of this one.
Speaker 2 (47:32):
So I guess the gloves areamp. I know to blame
it on nineteen eighty seven messing with my head, But
I guess the gloves are off when it comes to Keith,
when it comes to our next movie. So I guess
we'll see what that's all about. Well, folks, thanks to
listen show and supporting us. We will see you next
time with Glass. Until then, thank you so much for
(47:52):
the prove of your time. Stay super Chat
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