Ep 254: Kill Me Baby One More Time

If you’re looking for a gamer’s perspective on how true “Until Dawn” was to its source material, well… you won’t find it here. But you will find some colorful commentary on its merits as a horror film! Tune in to hear us break down all the subgenres it dabbled in, the underlying theme we got from it, and the explosive deaths that made us giddy.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, welcome to Happy Horrid Time. My name is Tim Murdoch.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmert. Hello everyone, hellotus. Do
you know what hellotus is?

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Tim? Oh, white lotus.

Speaker 2 (00:21):
It's actually what georgis, one of the drag queens on
RuPaul's Drag Race, says to say hello, So I always
say hellotus. I know wow. Gay.

Speaker 1 (00:31):
No, it's okay, Matt, I was gay. I'm not gonna
gay shame you, shame you. Here's wait, how many seasons
of RuPaul's Drag Race has there been? Twenty one? And
then there's been iterations in Canada, France.

Speaker 2 (00:42):
There's been like all stars of everything. It is all
over the table. But you know what, we are not
here to talk about RuPaul's drag Race. We're here to
talk about someone had a birthday a couple of weeks ago.
I did, and we promised everyone that we would tell
what happened during Tim's birthday. So Tim, give everyone a
little like update what we did for.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
Your birth Well it didn't go until done. Thank you,
thank you. No. I I had brunch and then I
met friends on the Cinta Monica Boulevard and I my
friend Dean was like, hey, have some rose. Start with Rose.
So I just kept with Rose all day.

Speaker 2 (01:20):
Rose all day. And it really was and it wait
before we get to the boulevard. The brunch was really
nice because that was only like six of us, but
we got tim this little mini cake. It was like
a mini it was almost like a like a single
serving cake thing.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Yes, it was like there was macaroons around it.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
Macaroons. It was like yeah. And the brunch was nice.
It was in this big restaurant in West Hollywood. And
now every time I say West Hollywood, I think it
Pink You know the song, yes, no, I'm not going
to bo, I think of what's her name song? It's
chap Chapel roone song Pink Pony Club because.

Speaker 1 (01:53):
It actually you just told me I didn't know what
her name was.

Speaker 2 (01:56):
I think of that song every time I hear West Hollywood.
Even though have other songs said West Hollywood before, I'm sure,
I mean no, never.

Speaker 1 (02:04):
This is first one.

Speaker 2 (02:07):
So we went from there to the now. If again,
if you don't live in LA and you don't know
Santa Monica Boulevard, that's like where all the gay bars
are and what in uh, that's like the West Hollywood
is the gay area. And we started at one and
Tim started.

Speaker 1 (02:21):
I think it was twelve.

Speaker 2 (02:22):
We started, Man, we started at one bar.

Speaker 1 (02:24):
Okay, I thought you were talking Klos.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
Yeah, we but we started early. This was like a
Saturday fun day.

Speaker 1 (02:31):
Yeah, and we haven't had one in a while. And
I think he said, you haven't been to West Hollywood
in like a year.

Speaker 2 (02:36):
We I hadn't. Yeah, we hadn't been to West Hollywood.
We didn't even know. They always update different restaurants in places,
and I was so unfamiliar. I had no idea that
Starbucks went away. I had no idea that the Kitchen
twenty four, one of our restaurants when Tim used to
live there, we used to go all the time gone
and so I it was like a new it was

(02:56):
a new day. There was unrecognizable, it really was. So anyway,
Tim has been everyone's buying Tim drinks. We had a
lot of our friends meet up there. Everyone wants to
buy Tim a drink. We had decided that we would
kind of cut the after like in there in the
afternoon and then later in the eve, like Tim would
go home, have a nap and then come over that
evening and we would have a few people over to

(03:18):
watch a.

Speaker 1 (03:18):
Movie, and I picked Staying Alive stying John Chivolta, and
I wanted to have pizza and cake.

Speaker 2 (03:23):
But uh so let me just tell you. So, Jacob
and I decide to leave around four thirty. Tim is
pretty drunk, but we're like, do you want to leave?
He's like, I'll stay a little.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I said, I'll stay a little longer. I'll uber home
and then I'll meet up with you guys and we'll
have some we'll watch Staying Alive with John Chivolta.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
Okay, so let me just tell you what happened on
our side. We came back. I had had a few drinks,
so I took a nap. Wake up from the nap
at like seven thirty, I text him, Hey, how's it going?
No response. Hour later, I text him, hey you around?
No response, no response all night.

Speaker 1 (03:56):
Well, this is what happened. So after you left him,
I probably should have gone with you, Jacob, and thank
you for driving me there. I love, thank you, thank you,
thank you.

Speaker 2 (04:04):
We wanted to give him but we were We would
have driven you home too, but we also just wanted
to well. I didn't want to drink too much. Because
I thought we were doing the evening.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
I get it. But when people buy you drinks and
that's what was happening, and shots, you don't turn them away.
I just I my mind is not mentally ready to
ever be like, no, that's okay. So I continued to
the evening and so you lived at four thirty. So
we went to another bar bar called Revolver, which is
my favorite bar ever. I love Revover.

Speaker 2 (04:34):
That was quite a claim. It's my favorite bar ever.
It is so you're saying in all the bars you've
ever been doing your entire forty eight years of life. Yes,
he's forty eight. Now, oh yeah, that's your favorite bar. No, no, no,
it's a good one.

Speaker 1 (04:47):
Yeah yeah, yeah, I mean you know what I like there?
It has like an exorcist staircase going down to the basement.
It's like this. You know, drunk people should not be
walking down a huge dark staircase. Do use the restroom?
And now, of course I did, because my bladder's like
this big. So I went downstairs to use the restroom
and it was like maybe six fifteen, and I took

(05:09):
one look at this huge exorcist staircase and I thought
it's time to go home.

Speaker 2 (05:15):
You're like, hey, it's that time. How many drinks in
were you at that?

Speaker 1 (05:19):
You know what, only Grandma's count them.

Speaker 2 (05:21):
I thought you were gonna say a lady never tells.

Speaker 1 (05:23):
No, no, no, I'll tell if I remembered. But I
don't know how many drinks.

Speaker 2 (05:26):
I had, So I know when we left, you were
probably on your maybe like third or fourth drink. And
remember everyone, Tim's tolerance isn't like a normal person's tolerance.
Me three or four drinks, i'd probably just start to
be feeling a little buzz, Tim, would I know you
were pretty gone even at that point. So I'm just
wondering how many other drinks.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I don't know. I wish I could give you a number,
but I, you know.

Speaker 2 (05:51):
Tell everyone about the Uber ride home. I didn't hear
about this till the next day, by the way, because yeah, yeah, okay, okay.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
So after I looked at that staircase and I I
thought I'm going to Uber home. So I actually got
on my app, which let me go back to minutes.
I do not remember walking from bar a do barb
don't remember that walk Barbie Barbie and Ken Ken, So
I don't remember that and there's a bunch of pictures
in my phone do not remember taking, do not remember,

(06:20):
And I.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Was like like scandalous, no, no, no, no, it's just like.

Speaker 1 (06:24):
Me trying to pose. They're a mess. So I get
up to the top of the staircase, which I felt
like it took me forever to get up that staircase
that I remember. So I don't remember saying goodbye to
anyone from bar A or BARB. And so I get
into the uber and it's it's like one of those minivans.

(06:46):
I was like the sliding door, like.

Speaker 2 (06:47):
Oh not the like self opening one, which I hate
because those doors, like I try to pull open and
they're like let it go, let it go right right.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
Right, Like if they did, yelp me let it go.
I don't remember that.

Speaker 2 (06:57):
You would have said, yeah, you would have be Dean.

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Was so sweet. He was like, okay, you're in, and
I was like, and then I think I might depress
the thing to let it slide to it. So I'm
going home and you know, it's like it's very windy,
and you know, I don't think that the driver was
going in a way that was for a person under
the influence. Yes, of course, he was zipping inside like
like so motion motion motion. So then I'm like, uh,

(07:23):
excuse me, I'm gonna need to hop up for just
a second. So I hop out of the car, barf,
hop back, and I go, thank you so much.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
Remember everyone, forty eighth birthdayeh, fortieth birthday, not my twenty first.

Speaker 1 (07:36):
So we continue and I'm like a little more rose.
It's about to my body the way. Wait.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
But what was the driver's reaction? Oh?

Speaker 1 (07:46):
He was so sweet, and I definitely tipped him and
I actually said I was like, I was like if
you if you stop, I will tip you very nicely.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And he's like sorry, no he was.

Speaker 1 (07:55):
So I'm sure he's dealt with this a lot. Maybe
not on a Saturday afternoon. Yeah, six thirty is.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
When you got home? Did you pass out right away?

Speaker 1 (08:03):
So barf twice? Get home, barf again. Right when I
get in, I take off one sock, just one, just
one sock, because I was like, this is plenty and
you're like working. And then I flopped down on my
bed and then I wake up at one thirty. So
let me do the math. Eight nine, ten, eleven, twelve one.
So I had six hours asleep, don't fall asleep on
my story. Oh my god. And then one thirty in

(08:25):
the morning, I was like, huh, I'm awake.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
That's when you texted me back.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
That's when I texted you.

Speaker 2 (08:29):
Yeah, I was already asleep. So basically on our side.
By the second or third hour of not hearing from Tim,
at first, I was like, should we be worried? But
then I'm like, no, he's passed out, and so we
kind of figured that was the deal. I wasn't thinking
you were just like ditching us.

Speaker 1 (08:46):
You would be, and I hope you didn't think that.

Speaker 2 (08:48):
No, no, no, no, I knew that if you're not texting back,
you were just I was like, oh no, it's kind
of laughing to myself.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Yeah. So, needless to say, so, we didn't do the
evening portion of the but the next day we had
Tim over and we gave him our gift. Now, yes
we don't have it with us, but we're gonna have Paris.
Our lovely video editor hopefully put in a picture of
Tim with the gift. So what Jacob and I got
Tim is a Crystal Camp Crystal Lake backpack. And what's

(09:19):
cool about this is, first off, it's it's nicely made.
And it's also not like obnoxiously Friday the thirteenth, like
it says Camp Crystal Lake and it has a little
Jason figure and it's like canvas green color, but it's
not too much.

Speaker 1 (09:31):
It's not like Friday at thirteenth, Right, it's not like
nothing is hot topic. I will totally go to hot topic,
but it's not like a loud like it doesn't look
like I'm a teenage girl. Not that there's anything wrong
with teenage girls. I'm just I'm a forty eight year
old man. So I you know, I wanted to like,
if I was wearing this backpack, I could blend.

Speaker 2 (09:49):
In, yeah, the people, and that's what we want, and
we wanted to be a fan related backpack, but not
be like to like when you're a tourist, tourist and
you were speaking of trus I'm wearing a shirt that
says Alaska on it. But like even this, it's not
like humongous bold letters that say.

Speaker 1 (10:02):
Oh god, he's really obnoxious.

Speaker 2 (10:04):
That I know I got obnoxious. I just loved we
got this on. Jacob and I did a few years ago,
did a cruise to Alaska, and I'm not so much
a buy a T shirt from where I Go person.
But I was like, well, I'm gonna buy a T
shirt from dam I am well, and his shirt says
it's it's your birthday. Well, your birthday's done, Tim.

Speaker 1 (10:20):
No, it's still going. But the backpack.

Speaker 2 (10:23):
So hopefully you liked the backpack.

Speaker 1 (10:25):
I love it, thank you very much.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
And so we have that picture of Tim wearing it
and hopefully he'll wear it ever it. No, we knew
Tim would carry like his laptop in a backpack and stuff,
and we're like, now you can carry it in this one.

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Yes, because you know, you know how much I opened
my laptop maybe twice a month. Yeah, I know he's
big time on that.

Speaker 2 (10:42):
I do. So all in all, was this a good birthday?

Speaker 1 (10:46):
Yes? I had a fabulous birthday because you know, it
was forty eight kind of snuck up on me. Of course,
I have a calendar blah blah. But I mean, like,
I don't know what. I don't know what forty eight
year olds are supposed to do on their birthday.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
Get drunk, so drunken an uber that they have to
stop and barf twice. I think I think that would
be the number one answer.

Speaker 1 (11:03):
I do know that if you barf in an uber,
you instantly have to pay three hundred.

Speaker 2 (11:07):
Dollars oh in the uber.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Yes, yes, inside, So I think he was like.

Speaker 2 (11:10):
Sure, you were very smart to have him stop.

Speaker 1 (11:13):
I did you know, because I know, I know, I know,
I know.

Speaker 2 (11:17):
What you did last time. Yes, well, I mean you
know what, Look we all. The thing about it is
that if you're listening to this thinking you're forty and
that sounds like a mess. Tim doesn't do this ever.
It's once a year, if it is, And that's the thing.
It's like, it's a little funny to hear that from
a forty eight year old's birthday. But it's not like
you do this every week, as Tim stumbles over too.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
But I mean, I did live in West Solid for
sixteen years, so who knows what I did?

Speaker 2 (11:42):
You were no, no, no, but you weren't that that
was But I mean, you.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
Know, I I do know my limit, and of course
I passed it. But it's your birthday.

Speaker 2 (11:52):
Look, if I mean, it's it's kind of like when
I always tell people the one night of the year
that I'm probably going to be very intoxicated. As during
our Halloween party, we put so much work into that party.
That like, that's my night to just let loose and
see people I haven't seen all year and have a
ton of jello shots and grew and stuff like that.
So that kind of thing, you know, if it happened,

(12:13):
it's like a once a year thing. So whatever, you know.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
Yeah, I mean, I guess now looking at life, like
I guess I do two nights a year, I do
Halloween and yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:21):
Exactly exactly because I forced him to do it on Halloween.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Which you know, that's really good. That's friendship's friendship.

Speaker 2 (12:26):
Ye.

Speaker 1 (12:26):
In fact, I'm gonna force this year. I was like,
you know what, this year on Halloween, I just want
to be healthy. I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (12:31):
Drink, and then I would kick you the fuck out.
Just kidding. No, I even tell all my friends, I'm like,
please drink with me. I think it's more like, I
know I'm gonna be like letting loose, letting off some
steam that night, so I kind of want to do
it with friends. Push you're a pusher, a drug pusher, pusher.
I can't not do mean girls anyway. Okay, So that
was Tim's birthday. That's really what we've been uh up

(12:52):
I've been recovering from Yeah for for for weeks, so
there have been some great horror movie trailers, horror movies
that are on the horizon, and we picked this movie
to do because it is so horror.

Speaker 1 (13:05):
It it's so horrible. No no to me.

Speaker 2 (13:09):
I was thinking about this, Tim, and I feel like,
if you ask me to describe the movie Until Dawn
in one sentence, I would say, it's like you're watching
one of those dead meat kill count videos. But that's
the whole movie, because it really is kill after kill
after kill with so many different characters. It really feels
like a kill count video. And I'm not even saying

(13:29):
that in an insulting way. I'm just saying that in
a like, it is very kill focused, all sorts of
blending the different genres of horror, and I think that's
kind of what appealed to us. The video game aspect,
not at all, because Tim and I are not gaming.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
I'm not familiar with the game even enough to even
comment on it. All I know is that it stems
from a game.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Yes, it was a PlayStation game, Come Until Dawn. I
know a little bit because our friend Jeff, who we
call Shootsie because his last name is I can't pronoun
that's his last name, but his name on Instagram.

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I actually forgot his name was Jeff because I call
him shoots He.

Speaker 2 (14:03):
So much so when we met Jeff, like obviously we
met him as Jeff, but his Instagram name is Shootsie.

Speaker 1 (14:09):
He's a very private person.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
I know.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Oh sorry, everyone go to it.

Speaker 2 (14:12):
No, No, he actually is an amazing animator and check
out his art and all of that. But anyway, because
his name on Instagram is shoots See, we started getting
used to just between us, like calling him shoot See.

Speaker 1 (14:23):
Now.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
I don't think I could ever not call no.

Speaker 1 (14:25):
I love saying it. We even have nicknames for shoots Hee,
like we'll say, hey, shoots that was all me, But
if you want to take credit, I call you no.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
But anyway, my whole reason of bringing up shoots See
is that he is a gamer, and so he gave
us little details on the game, and he told us
some things which I'll bring in later when we talk
about the movie about how the game differed from the movie.
Apparently one of the biggest complaint from people, And I
guess if you're a gamer this would matter to you.
For us, it doesn't is that it didn't it didn't

(14:56):
copy the game very well, or it only took cer
in aspects of the game, and it totally changed major things,
plot points, characters, everything.

Speaker 1 (15:06):
Anytime there's a transition from a he Man, remember he
Man Masters of the Universe, of course, I love that.
I'm using the reference from nineteen eighty seventy.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
He's speaking of being old.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
You know, remember that early eighties show where was a
cartoon obviously he Man, and then there was a movie
starring Courtney Cox and Dolph Lungren long time ago. The
Orco was definitely not the Orco from the video games.
He did not starting the TV show. So it's like, obviously,
I remember as a kid, I was like Orco floated,
and this one does not float, So okay, so then

(15:36):
I guess maybe, But I mean, like again, I was
ten years old.

Speaker 2 (15:38):
It's funny because when I heard this criticism from gamers, me,
not being a gamer, was really ready to just quickly
dismiss it and be like, who cares, Like it's a movie.
But now I'm starting to think if you are a
dedicated fan of this game and you hear they're making
a movie of it, and then you get excited and
the movie doesn't live up to what the game is.

(16:00):
Now I'm understanding why that is valid criticism. Like if
someone said they were making a video game based off
of the Halloween movie and it like didn't have Lori
Strode or Doctor Loomis, was I don't know, a demon
or or something that was completely off their faces were purple. Yeah,
I could see myself having a problem with it. So
now I'm kind of getting thank you with that weird

(16:21):
he man example of why the gamers were so pissed
as an adult, like, don't work there? Well, I think
I also was thinking, do you know how many horror
movies have said loosely based off of a true story,
and it's like one bit of like, Okay, Texas Chainsaw
massacre they say, I think they're based off of Ed Gaen,

(16:41):
who did not use a chainsaw and did use some
like I think sewed skin together, but didn't run around
killing people in a mask and didn't use a chainsaw.
So it's a completely different story, but they say loosely
based off it. So I think if you're going to
do an adaptation of a game and you change a lot,
I can see you pissing off the gaming audience that
as the non gamers that just wanted a horror movie.

(17:03):
But I am a gayer, a gay what's a gay
gamer called? This is not a real I think you
just said it a gay.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
No, no, it would be a gay gay. But I
love that you. I love that you think I know
how to spell, So thank you the word gay.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
I hope it gets confusing a gay gamer who two
minutes is anyway, So for us, we're giving you our
reviews and our thoughts as non gamers going into this
just thinking, hey, they did a movie with a happy
death Day, groundhog Day ish twice.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
Well we can go further than that. There's there's a
lot there's a lot of films that this movie takes from.
There's Groundhog's Day, Happy death Day. There was also something
with coal mining, so there's that's my bloody val And
then there was.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
I mean there's this kind of a slasher guy with
a clown.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Mass Wrong Turn.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
That's another one, Oh yes, wrong Turn Wilderness.

Speaker 1 (17:59):
Wilderness, and it also Friday thirteenth, feel with like the
cast and did you notice that all the cast were
was wearing like a shade of blue? No, like it's
very subtle. But that was the one thing I picked
up on, So the one thing.

Speaker 2 (18:11):
So okay, so jumping is a blender jumping into this movie.
To be honest, there wasn't a ton of characterization in
terms of I don't know about you, but I didn't
care a ton about the characters. That's okay, But I'm
just saying, like, even the main girl her name was Clover,
which I love, like fourteen.

Speaker 1 (18:29):
Oh, that kind of made me cringe, but I was
okay then, like, is this leprecha? No, I mean, it's
just because the movie obviously did not go I don't
need a lot of characterization. But I felt like even
if Friday thirteenth or Halloween had more.

Speaker 2 (18:42):
Oh oh, one hundred percent. I mean, why do you
think there are certain final girls and final boys from
these Friday the thirteenth, Halloween Nightmare movies that we absolutely love?
You love Kimberly Beck from part four.

Speaker 1 (18:53):
Because you have a connection with this Yeah. I didn't
connect with any of these people except a lot of them.

Speaker 2 (18:59):
No, No, exactly one hundred percent. There's a reason why
I love, like fell in love with Lori Stroe, Jamie
Lee Curtis in the original Halloween. You connect with her.
You the different Friday the Thirteenth Girls. So many people
head their lane camp in Nightmare on Elm Street. You
can have a horror movie and them in Peril not Perrell.

Speaker 1 (19:16):
Again.

Speaker 2 (19:17):
Yeah, and you can still have the horror elements, but
you can connect with the characters in this one. There's
five main characters. The main main one is Clover. But
by the end, I wasn't like, oh my god, I
want more of Clover.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Well, actually, for me, I flipped that. I was. I
really really hoped no one in the cast died. I
mean not just because they've been through so much. I
really I just gave away the ending.

Speaker 2 (19:40):
They all survive, yes, I mean after dying a million times,
after dying a million times.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:45):
But that's the thing that this was an ensemble piece.
There's five main characters, and I'll just give you a
quick bit about each. There's Clover. She's played by Ello Rubin,
who Tim just informed me she was in Anora Academy
Award winning Best Picture of Nora. I had no idea
because I haven't seen it yet.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
I actually confession I've never seen a Nora either.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
Oh but Ella Ruben is also going to be in
Fair Street prom Queen, which we will be covering, and
so she's having a good year. Then there's her ex
boyfriend who still has a crush on her, Max, who's
played by Michael Semino. And I recognized him because are
you ready for this? He was in the Love Victor
TV show, which.

Speaker 1 (20:20):
Was based off a love was he the main guy?
He was the main gay guy. Oh my gosh. Okay,
so I did recognize him. I didn't watch that show,
but I did watch I did know that.

Speaker 2 (20:28):
So then there's their friend Nina, who's played by Odessa
as as Zion and I don't know her career, but
she has a face that looks so familiar.

Speaker 1 (20:42):
Oh no, I had a real hard time. Clearly hair
crystal blue. Well, she was in Hal Raiser, the remake.

Speaker 2 (20:47):
Oh okay, because I was like, okay, well, yes, Hal Raiser,
no wonder, you're right, you're right.

Speaker 1 (20:52):
But in addition to that, she also reminded me of
Teres the g G G on Real Houses of New Jersey.
She's got a daughter name I want to say Gia,
but isn't that her name?

Speaker 2 (21:03):
Oh no, no, okay, Anyway, she looks so much like
Teresa's daughters that I don't watch the show, but I
want to say anything, Well, I know what Teresa looks like.
You can't like live in the world and not know
Teresa from real housewise, I don't know what her daughter
looks like, but I can imagine.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
She's I mean, but this girl's I mean nothing Teresa's daughter.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
You know, this girl is striking, like those crystal blue eyes,
the curly hair. I just found myself like and I
know as a game man, but like kind of getting lost.
She just has this like distinct look to her. Anyway,
I'm getting flustered to that. Okay, So then there's their
friend Megan, who's played by g Young you and she
the big thing about her character is that she says

(21:44):
she has psychic ability. He's an intuitive yeah, and in Judith,
but so she kind of like all she really knows is, hey, guys,
something's wrong.

Speaker 1 (21:51):
Well, you know, it came in handy in the movie
because like like what the movie couldn't tell you she
was she was telling us.

Speaker 2 (21:57):
Yeah exactly, And she does get possessed and tell them
a lot little bit of the rules of the game,
like very you know, like it was it was convenient,
you know. So I guess that had to do with
her psychic abilities. Maybe she's more open to like spirits
coming in her. That sounded bad. Taking her over any
words I say is going to be bad.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I didn't know. It's like when will be Goldberg and
Ghost was like, do you want to talk to this thing? Yeah,
you're more susceptible to that.

Speaker 2 (22:22):
So and then the last guy, and I only see
I thought his name was Abe. On Wikipedia says his
name was Able. But he's played by Belmont Carnelly. And
he he was a hunk.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
He was he was a tall drink of water.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
But one thing I will say is hearing his girlfriend
in the movie Nina saying abe, abe abe over no.
Do you know for the first half of the movie,
I thought she was saying babe, did you Oh you.

Speaker 1 (22:46):
Know now when you say that, I think I thought
babe as well. And I was like, gosh, she keeps
saying babe.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
And I remember thinking, I hate those couples who say babe,
But what about the babe hey.

Speaker 1 (22:57):
Han, hay han.

Speaker 2 (22:58):
I mean a few terms of endearment, okay, Like I
was trying to think of Jacob and I don't do
that that much. I think a couple times he's called
me babe, but not like babe. No, you always say
like his soul hey dipshit.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
No you say like hey, sweetheart, you.

Speaker 2 (23:13):
Say that, or sometimes I say like hey, fuck face
wow yeah like no, no, but we like when someone
calls their partner babe over and over. It makes me
want to gouge my eyes out.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
I always think that couples are in trouble when they
do that stuffs, when they start posting a ton on
that's time. Ever.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Hey, tip for everybody, if you have a friend who's
constantly posting about how amazing their relationship is.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
It's teetering.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Don't be jealous, be worried. That's our tip. Tim and
Matt Happy hard time plus relationship. Yeah, it's a sees
because we're the experts, right.

Speaker 1 (23:47):
No, No, I've been in a relationship in eight years.

Speaker 2 (23:50):
My whole point of saying that is that halfway through
the movie it clicked that his name was Abe, and
she was not saying babe. She was saying Abe. But
watch this movie and tell me if she doesn't repeat
the name Abe over and over.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
And Hey, there was that one scene where I really
did think she was saying babe, but she was saying abe, babe.

Speaker 2 (24:08):
I know, and now I forgive her anyway, Okay, these
are the five characters. Set up of this movie is
that clover sister went missing a year ago and they
tried to add this backstory that their mom had previously
died and her sister kind of abandoned her and so,
but they didn't fully flesh that out.

Speaker 1 (24:26):
So like she was going to New York was yeah,
like the okay, well, first up, the sister's introduced into
the movie, like in the first two minutes of the opening,
she's digging herself out of a hole. And it's not
like a big opening like you know, Scream. I know
that I always compare everything to Scream, but how can
we not? But the opening is two minutes of her
digging out of a hole, and all of a sudden,
it's like what's the title?

Speaker 2 (24:47):
She's finally like, oh my god, I've almost made it
until dawn and then the stalker character comes up and
kills her.

Speaker 1 (24:54):
And then with that, what is that a pitchfork?

Speaker 2 (24:56):
I think it was a matt like a big sledgehammer. Yeah,
I don't know what even when her Delibriel song sledgehammer. Yeah,
did I get it?

Speaker 1 (25:04):
You did? And then but then it just starts. So
I was like, Okay, we don't know who this is.
We don't know why we care, but okay, I'm scared.

Speaker 2 (25:10):
Jim and I have talked about this before, like to us,
like I'm speaking for you too. You can't know, but
I think I can speak for us when I say, well,
if you have an opening scene and you want it
to be in Screams territory of valuable opening scenes, you
need to develop the character a little bit, so we
care if we get two minutes of someone just like
running and then killed. I don't know who I'm watching.

(25:33):
I don't care, and I'm not invested in Scream. The
whole thing was like it built, it built. You really
started to feel for Casey. She was in trouble, she
almost got away. It was heartbreaking when she got killed.

Speaker 1 (25:44):
Because they had like we were familiar with Drew Barrymore
because you know, she grew up on Ete, so it's
like you already have that built in empathy. This girl,
beautiful girl, but we still't know her.

Speaker 2 (25:54):
Yeah, so we get to then we don't really know
who this is. Then we get to these five friends
are going on they've been kind of on a road trip,
but they're also sort of going to find Clover's sister,
and they're they so so you get the feeling that
the trip was supposed to be fun, but Clover is
still looking for her sister.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
Do you know the timeline of how long the sister
has been missing?

Speaker 2 (26:15):
It one year?

Speaker 1 (26:15):
It was one year. So they're looking. They're like, let's
hop in the car and look for her. A year later, Yeah,
a little maybe, like you know what, she's fine to
walk around those ways.

Speaker 2 (26:25):
I guess maybe for the first couple of months they
were like, maybe she doesn't want to be found. Then
maybe they talk to the authorities. You're asking me to
fill in plot holes at the nighters.

Speaker 1 (26:34):
I need you to do it.

Speaker 2 (26:35):
You have to do it for me again, light on plot,
heavy on kills. So the five of them they go
and you have the classic. Anytime someone's in the wilderness,
they always have to stop at a gas station, and
there's got to be a creepy gas station.

Speaker 1 (26:48):
It's like, none of the never is the gas station
like a nice, convenient, well lit target looking, No, this
one is disgusting, creepy. The guy's disgusting.

Speaker 2 (26:59):
And the guy talks to clover and he she said like, oh,
have you seen my sister? And he's like, oh, well,
people don't go missing here. They go missing at and
it's called what was the name of the Cloverdale but
that's her name, is clo Oh sorry, it's Glory something.
It was Glory, Glory Hale, Glory Hole. People go missing
in the Gloryhole. Yeah. So so and she's like, oh

(27:21):
my god, guys, we got to go up to like
Glory Village or Glory Town. I forget. And the gamers,
if any gamers are listening, they're cringing at me messing
up the names. I'm I'm sorry, I'm so sorry. Anyway,
so they take their car up and here's number one
sign you're going in the wrong direction. They are driving
through torrential rainfall, like torrential rainfall where they can't see

(27:43):
they're going, and suddenly they pull up on this like
little community center house, but there's a circle where no
rain is coming in. It's almost like a weather hole.

Speaker 1 (27:54):
I've seen that before, Like I think I like when
I was in Hawaii, there was like a flash flood
real quick. So like if like right over there like
like I'm pointing, You're like, oh hey, everyone, like it's
like raining, but like over here it was it.

Speaker 2 (28:05):
I've experienced that, so okay, I haven't. So it looked
fake as shit to me because they go and as
soon as they pass through, like this one area the rain,
it's almost like imagine like a wall of rain, but
this one circled area is perfectly like normal, And so
they go into this area they don't really think anything
of it. And they go into this like glory house

(28:26):
area and they realize that it's a band and it's old.
But there's a guest book and there's tons of names
in there that have signed in like twelve or thirteen times,
and they're like, that's weird.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
I loved the first off. I love the location. I'm
sure it was a set, but I thought it was
a really cool house because like, I'm sure you've got
a many road trips and there's suddenly there random house.
They're like, BINGI mcjiggins lived here, and he created chicken,
he created lamps, so it's like, oh, look at all
these beautiful laps. Like I thought it was a cool setting.

Speaker 2 (28:54):
I mean, wait, you're telling me you have visited the
Bingi mcjiggins house.

Speaker 1 (28:59):
Yes, it's gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (29:01):
That's not many people can get a reservation.

Speaker 1 (29:03):
Remember the movie, No you you probably haven't seen this,
but in the movie Welcome Home Roxy Carmichael, they like there,
she's giving tours of Roxy Carmichael's house, and all Roxy
Carmichael was was she was mentioned in a song, but
it was in her small town. But she never comes home.

Speaker 2 (29:17):
Right in the movie No, at the end, we just
gave a Roxy. That's what I remember about that movie,
that they're waiting and she isn't.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
She's like, you know what, I'm gonna just send a plaque.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
I fuck it, I'm not coming home. So but you're right,
I okay. I do love going on road trips and
visiting abandoned places when there's a tour guide there, so
I know it's like not gonna be So there's nobody
at this house and stuff. They walk in and everything
is like things are out of order. There's also a
room with a wall of just missing people, including Clover's sister,

(29:48):
but there's no dates or anything or names, just missing.

Speaker 1 (29:50):
Yeah, just missing. We're like, okay, you know.

Speaker 2 (29:53):
What I thought of on that one? Tim?

Speaker 1 (29:54):
Okay, the production designer was lazy.

Speaker 2 (29:57):
No, I'm actually gonna this is gonna be this. It
sounds like such a tim like non sequitur.

Speaker 1 (30:02):
It sounds him.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
Tim's face was used on a was it a wanted poster?

Speaker 1 (30:09):
It was I was a dead dentist.

Speaker 2 (30:12):
In an episode of what show Criminal Minds? Criminal Minds,
And they showed Tim's picture and the best was it
said his age, which was like, wasn't it like ten
years more than that?

Speaker 1 (30:21):
It was it's at twenty eight and I was like
forty four.

Speaker 2 (30:24):
No, wow, Well people were blind no, but it.

Speaker 1 (30:29):
Was so nice. It was like, I don't know how
I died, but I but a reminding of that.

Speaker 2 (30:34):
So all I kept thinking was when they're seeing this
wall of missing people, I'm like, I could imagine like
seeing your face on there.

Speaker 1 (30:39):
How did you not think it was such a random call.
They were like, oh, we need like but they paid
for that, so everyone have those pictures. Everyone gets paid
for having their picture, Like they can't just like pull
a picture off the internet and be like this person's missing.

Speaker 2 (30:52):
Oh of course, of course. So what they noticed. They
also noticed there's this weird like what do you call
the time thing in a board game.

Speaker 1 (31:01):
Oh, I know what you're about, Like like time's up.

Speaker 2 (31:05):
No, it's like a glass hourglass. It's like an hourglass
that turns and right when the night falls, it starts
counting down. So the First Night was one of my
favorites because there was it was a totally like a
slasher movie. All five of them are in this house
and this humongous, scariest fuck guy with a clown mask.

Speaker 1 (31:24):
They don't know who he is. It wasn't a full
blown clown. It was like a calm face. Yeah. What
was that movie that like everyone thought was going to
start like a string of like sequels And it starred
Robert England and it was like something Vernon remember that film.

Speaker 2 (31:37):
Leslie Vernon Man or something man behind the mask, behind
the mask.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
That's what it kind of looked like to me.

Speaker 2 (31:43):
So for me, reminded me of In twenty seventeen, we
went to a Halloween party which was like a killer
Circus theme and I wore I didn't want to wear
a full mask and I just wore a clown face.
Do you remember that? So that's what this guy is wearing.
He has a humongous sledgehammer and he first kills Abe
you don't see the death happen, but she his girlfriend

(32:06):
finds him and there was a pitchfork in the middle
of his body, and when it's taken out, his body
splits in half.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
It was too quick. It was quick. It wasn't CGI, was.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
It, well, unless they really cut him in half?

Speaker 1 (32:19):
No, no, no, no, but I mean, like the practical like
they built the mannekin or something.

Speaker 2 (32:23):
It was so quick that I actually think it might
have been cgies.

Speaker 1 (32:27):
This is where the movie does succeed. It does have CGI.
And usually if you've listened to two hundred, however many
episodes we've done.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
We're over two fifty, Baby over two fifty.

Speaker 1 (32:36):
I hate CGI, but this movie had a really good balance,
Like every death was really good.

Speaker 2 (32:41):
Characterization questionable, Yes, I agree, I one hundred percent agree.
But some of the deaths we could have seen more.
I know that sounds so freaking more of it, but like,
if we're going to see someone be cut in half,
I'd like to see a little bit of it. But
you just see the end of the pitchfork being taken
out of him, and him just kind of like the
top half falling over. His girlfriend gets killed the most

(33:02):
brutal part though, is that the friend Megan gets her
face bashed into the ground over and over while her
friend Clover's watching and not helping her.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
Well, you know that's I understand that because when when
you see something so crazy, you are frozen so like
and obviously if she stepped out, she'd get killed too.
So it's like why two people die. But that's where
we differ. And this is like the Tim's thing.

Speaker 2 (33:28):
Tim, if I was in a room, we're trapped in
the room, so we can't get out. I know you
love these hypotheticals, and there's a killer there and he
grabs you and starts bashing your head. I'm gonna run
and try to tackle him. And I hope that you
would do the same.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
For that, I would run the other way, Kristen Kloak
says in the two thousand and six film Black Christmas.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
We'll never know. I want to think that Tim would,
But I'm so worried that Tim would find a way
out and be like, sorry, Matt, but.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
I am all for one person. You are all for
one is right?

Speaker 2 (33:59):
No, But like that's why I was like, Clover do something.
She doesn't poor she actually she does do something, but
she's dead. She stabs him in like the I think
the shoulder zero effect. Yeah, zero efect because he's huge.
And then how did she get it because she's always
the last one to die.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Oh god, Okay, so she was running and then actually
I don't even remember.

Speaker 2 (34:18):
I don't remember. I do remember Max, the guy who
still sort of likes her, did get a like a.

Speaker 1 (34:22):
Steak in and pulled out an eyeball.

Speaker 2 (34:25):
Pulled out an eyeball. So that was a great depth.
But what happens is after they all die, they all
just suddenly wake up where they were at the beginning
of the night. It's like the whole thing reset.

Speaker 1 (34:35):
But the cool thing about the movie is is that
they do remember how they died. Yes, So it's not
like they have to like like relearn it every single time. Yes.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
And I like that because in all of the movies
that are time loop movies, the person in the time
loop always remembers everything, but the person people around them don't.
The good news about this movie is all five of
them are in the time loop together, so they all
remember they died. So the first night I remember thinking
it's watching this movie. The first night they they do
seem a little bit like what just happened?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
We died? How is this?

Speaker 2 (35:05):
What's going on? But did you notice that? Then they
just drop being asking questions about why they're reliving. They're
just like, oh, I guess we're in a time loop.

Speaker 1 (35:13):
Okay, okay, you know well, I mean, well they were
all trying to It became very much an escape room.
And I, as people know, I'm not a huge fan
of escape rooms unless it's SAW but I mean other
than that, I'm just like not interested because like they're
they're hard, they're tough. See now.

Speaker 2 (35:29):
And then on the flip side, I love, love, love
escape rooms.

Speaker 1 (35:32):
Shocker.

Speaker 2 (35:32):
I love trying to like formulate puzzles and ways out,
and so Tim and I when we do it, we've done.

Speaker 1 (35:38):
A few, go do it. But I'll be stuck in
a room from I'll just kind of sit back.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I'll be like trying to figure everything out, like you're like,
have fun with that.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
Oh yeah.

Speaker 2 (35:45):
But the I guess what I'm trying to say is, again,
I shouldn't be trying to make this too logical. But
if I were in this situation, I feel like I
would be spending more time trying to figure out why
are we in a time loop? And how does that work?
Versus they seem to get over the fact that they're
in a time loop pretty quickly.

Speaker 1 (36:03):
Yeah, think it from zero two hundreds, like, oh, we're
clearly in a time loop. Let's focus on that. You're like, wait, no,
do you ever were you wondering this at all? This
is where my mind went. I was like, is anyone hungry?
Does anyone have to to the bathroom?

Speaker 2 (36:16):
But so like, okay, we gotta get cause. So the
second night, it takes more of a supernatural turn. What
happens is Clover decides she's gonna go investigate across the
way where there's this other abandoned house with on the door.
I swear to god, I couldn't read that that graffiti.

Speaker 1 (36:33):
It said like I thought it said pick or flick.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
I thought it said fuck the Glory Witch.

Speaker 1 (36:39):
I swear I.

Speaker 2 (36:39):
Thought it said I mean, I couldn't see that. It
could have easily said pick or flick. But it looked
like fuck to me, And I was like, who's fucking
the glory Witch? So now anytime something says you already
know you're in a weird supernatural thing. She goes in
there and I will say this was a good scene
in terms of great this set up this witch. She

(37:01):
is the creepiest, like it's an old woman on this animal.

Speaker 1 (37:04):
Yes, you're a y.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
One more sit time. I mean, it's totally like that.
And she's trying to ask the woman like like the
woman is just gonna be like, hey, girl, let me
help you out.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
Yeah. Surrounding this woman is a bunch of masks, which
you and I thought looked like tourists trapp Did that
come out like seventy seven to seventy eighteen.

Speaker 2 (37:23):
N Yes, late seventies tourist tract. There's all these masks.
The one thing that they could have done better on
this scene is that I thought someone, Okay, if you
see a room with a lot of annequins, you're just
waiting for one to come alive. If you see a
room with a lot of masks, you're waiting for one
to be on someone and jump out of you. And
they didn't do that. They were just all the masks.
She puts on a mask later after she gets like possessed.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Yeah, and she walks across to the other house and
do they open the door or shut the door or
they kill her?

Speaker 2 (37:50):
It gets clad. There were so many debts in this movie.
Forgive me, I'm not gonna be able to remember all
I really was. She would I know, she gets possessed
by this witch. Her friend and Slash, the guy who
still likes her, Max is trying to help her find
her when she was as she puts a mask on
and is going to try to I think she kills
some of her own friends. I can't even remember.

Speaker 1 (38:12):
I know, like I feel like her. Someone's face was smashed?
Oh was it the old ladies? I don't know, there
was a face smashed a lot of it.

Speaker 2 (38:18):
Well, the deaths are kind of melding because there's so many.

Speaker 1 (38:22):
And the one that the most memorable one for me
that stuck out in my mind. And I don't know
if it was Night one, two or three or four?

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Because if are you about to go to Night three?
Because that was my face? Oh?

Speaker 1 (38:32):
Is it? Is it?

Speaker 2 (38:32):
When the spontaneous combustion?

Speaker 1 (38:34):
Oh no, that was great too. Yeah, I loved all
the spontaneous combustion. But I think it's the before they
started combusting, is when they because they wanted to leave
as a group. They wanted everyone to leave together. So
the girl that looked like the housewife's daughter Nina. She
decides to take a pitch fork. What is that thing called? Uh? Shears, No, No,

(38:55):
it's the thing to do in the in the minds.

Speaker 2 (38:59):
Oh uh, pick a pick axe and she's like, I'm
on a game.

Speaker 1 (39:03):
And so she takes the pick axe and she put
it in her abe slash babes like body. And then
it's because she's like, I'm slowing you down because like
we are all as a group. Well the reason she says.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
They find out they get this like they hear a
voice that almost is like controlling this whole situation, and
it happened to be the same guy who was the
gas station attendant. They find out he's actually a doctor
and he's been doing experiments on people where he like
puts them through this day after day of deaths, and
they each time they die and come back, they become

(39:36):
less and less human until they turn into this zombie
creature called a Wendu.

Speaker 1 (39:41):
They become part of the town, and apparently the town
is buried and there's they found a map and they're like, oh,
I think I think we're here.

Speaker 2 (39:48):
There's so much backstory that didn't quite matter, like it
was a it was a mining town. They got sunk
underground in a sinkhole and they people all died. But
then there was this doctor doing all these experiments. And
I did find out from our friend Shootsie that Wendigo,
which was the name for that zombie creature in this
movie that apparently is a prominent figure in the game.

(40:11):
There's the Wendigos, and that's the main villain in the game.

Speaker 1 (40:14):
Let me write that down on the game. I'll never
play like you're like, oh, noted for don't care. Go
on play file that under don't give shit anyway.

Speaker 2 (40:25):
I'm just trying for any gamers that might not and
that they're all said was that. Oh and by the way,
if I'm getting any of this wrong, it shoots.

Speaker 1 (40:30):
You yeah, comment below. It's kidding.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
I'm kidding it, but he probably told it exactly right
and I'm not remembering it right. But so that guy's
running everything. But he says the only way for them
to get out of this like time loop weird town
situation is for them to a survive until dawn and
one of them has to die. So what I will
say about the whole dynamic of these characters is that

(40:53):
I do like that except for Abe. They're all really
close friends and they don't want to leave without each other.

Speaker 1 (40:58):
But it was like it was like, you know what
what you want? He's like, maybe we should consider that.

Speaker 2 (41:03):
He even said, isn't Clover really depressed because her sister disappeared?
Like didn't she try to kill herself?

Speaker 1 (41:08):
So like that is when yes, she took that.

Speaker 2 (41:11):
So but another thing they all know is that if
they die, they will have another chance the next day.
But as soon as one of them dies, the rest
of them are just like, well, we have to die
because we need to reset because we want all of them.

Speaker 1 (41:25):
So it's almost like a Namernot. It's like you fall
asleep and you die in your dream, you die for real, but.

Speaker 2 (41:30):
This time you'd have to die, like you get like
twelve or thirteen chances before that happens. One thing for
the overall theme in this movie that I did like
is I felt and maybe this is me stretching too much,
but I felt like it did have a good theme
of friendship and loyalty. And what I mean is that
it is very easy when you're in a situation to
be like, you know, all for yourself and just say

(41:51):
fuck everyone else, I want to survive.

Speaker 1 (41:53):
I mean, what it may have lacked in characterization, it
made up for in their loyalty to their friends.

Speaker 2 (41:57):
Yes, and that's the thing with the exception of Abe,
and even and Abe came around at the end, the
four main people, and I'm talking about Clover, Max, Nina,
and Megan, none of them were going to leave without
the others. And as soon as one of those four
people died, they made sure they died so they could
reset because they didn't want to be able to escape
without each other. And I did like that because they
made the characters very thinly developed characters at least likeable.

Speaker 1 (42:21):
So this, so Abe does start recording on his cell
phone all the different nights, and that's.

Speaker 2 (42:27):
No reception, but he recorded.

Speaker 1 (42:29):
Yeah, so he's got like twenty videos, and so they
start watching the videos putting together clues. They're like, huh.
One of the girls took his phone recorded herself and
said go down this hallway, and so like, let's do that,
and then the movie just basically becomes a universal maze. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
I like the The one thing though, I do want
to talk about before that part is the third night,
which is the my favorite of the deaths, because again,
this whole movie was just about They had the Slasher,
they had the Witch, they have like zombies. So one
night they all are like, how are we going to survive? Untildawnd,
Let's just barricade the bathroom door and all hang out together.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
That's actually what I would think.

Speaker 2 (43:07):
Like if I thought I have to survive and there's
people outside, I would say, everyone stick together, barricade the door.

Speaker 1 (43:12):
We're good.

Speaker 2 (43:13):
So they're all hanging in the bathroom and they decide
Abe takes a drink of water.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
Here's I would never drink the water from the fuzz.

Speaker 2 (43:19):
It was gross as fuck. But he drinks it and
then he starts passing on the cup. Now, as soon
as he started passing on the cup. I knew something
was off.

Speaker 1 (43:25):
It was like his stomach started feeling weird, and then
like his teeth were falling out, and then he took
his he spit out his teeth into his hand and
then wiped it on the shower curtain. Yeah, he starts coughing.

Speaker 2 (43:35):
He's gross, and then out of nowhere, his whole body
just explodes. I'm talking remember the movie, ready or not
the end when the curse actually happens, and they each
starts exploding like that, and it the audience in our theater.

Speaker 1 (43:49):
It's a shazing effect. And not only do we get it,
we get it like five times.

Speaker 2 (43:53):
Oh my god. So it happens one by one to
each of them, like, but the best was when it
gets down to the last two, Clover and Mac for
that night. Like Clover's like, maxus kill me. I don't
want to like explode, and He's like, no, you can't
do that, and then he just explodes. And then she
kind of just like is sitting there like waiting for
it to happen, looking around on the ground, and then boom.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
She's one of the girls, the impath, the intuitive she
she hers for some reason, it's really slow, like it
busts her leg and then it busts her stomach.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
And then it looks like she's pregnant and her stomach's
getting bigger and bigger and bigger, and then it explodes.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
I'm like that was interesting. I was like, Okay, the
movie's rated, all right.

Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeah, oh of course, but you're right, why did they
torture that way?

Speaker 1 (44:33):
I don't know, Like why was her explosion taking so long?

Speaker 2 (44:36):
Every explosure was one big, full, full body explosion. Yeah,
hers is like a like like it's like, hey, let's
torture this girl.

Speaker 1 (44:43):
And you know, I didn't this is gonna sound sick.
I didn't mind. It was interesting to watch. That makes
me sound.

Speaker 2 (44:49):
Like like the I think that's why they were like,
how many times can we do the same explosion. Let's
do it a little different with her. But it was
felt torturous, but at the same time it was entertaining.

Speaker 1 (44:58):
Right, it's a girl, so you're like, oh, but I
mean for the guy, blow them kill those guys.

Speaker 2 (45:04):
Well, so, like Tim said, this movie can't show twelve
nights in a row or we beat there for three nights.

Speaker 1 (45:10):
It was interesting because it was a good excuse for
the movie to like show like cause then they cut
to this one where the lead girl had like a
like a creature crawling out of her face.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
And that's been in the trailer. It's like this creature
that like is in her face. So basically what they
do is to switch to switch ahead or to to
like fast forward ahead. A bunch of knights. They just show, oh,
what happened on all the other nights on their phone
and they look at the videos he's taken, and one
of them is that little creature was in her cheek
and then it went back in her face, and then
her whole face was all like messed.

Speaker 1 (45:40):
Well because they were like, oh, even here, what four
nights and they're like thirteen.

Speaker 2 (45:43):
Yeah, And apparently as each night they die, they their
memory starts getting a little bit hazier, but they still
remembered like what they needed to do. So anyway, we
get to the last night and that's when they found
that video, like Tim said that says go this way,
go that way. We're like, oh, that's convenience. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (45:58):
I was like, thank god you made that video exactly.

Speaker 2 (46:00):
And there's like a whole thing where they like have
to go into like the the mining area that was underground,
and Clover has to go head to head with the
doctor who was doing experiments on it.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
That was really clever because like he was drinking coffee.
You put the coffee down and there was like a leak,
and so she was like, okay, we do know that
the water makes people explode, So she pushes the coffee
underneath the leak and we're like, oh my gosh. The
final kill is going to be the guy exploding, and
I was like, that's pretty satisfying.

Speaker 2 (46:32):
It was. The thing is is that they try to
add like some sort of he tries to explain to her.
And this is where I was a little like. I
was like, I hear where he said, all of these
fears and the things that are happening in this town
to you and your friends, are your fears manifested on them.
But like he was saying, like everyone's afraid of a

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man in a mask. Okay, well then that'd be everybody.
And the I like, she sees her sister as a
wendygo the zombie thing. But then I was like, does
she have a fear of blowing up? But like spontan
is combustion, I guess not having control.

Speaker 1 (47:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (47:08):
He was trying to make it very psychological.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
I checked out.

Speaker 2 (47:11):
Yeah, yeah, that was a little it was it was
a little too underdeveloped for me to take that part seriously.
But remember they had to have like a head villain,
and I think that the doctor is actually the villain
in the game too. Even the actor playing him, I
read is in the game he lifts villainous. Yes, so
we looked villin this, but like Tim said, It's cool
because rather than having some big fight and maybe she

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stabs him.

Speaker 1 (47:34):
She's smarter.

Speaker 2 (47:35):
She moves his coffee cup so that water drips inside it,
moves it back, so then when he's drinking his coffee,
what happens to him? Boom, he explodes and then they
all have to like Shae like like Megan is trapped
in a cage with a zombies about to get her.

Speaker 1 (47:50):
Right, this is where for me the film, Like, I
was like, Okay, I'm genuinely invested in the characters at
this point, and I was like, I really want them
to all survive, so it was gonna be pissed if
like one person got it.

Speaker 2 (48:02):
Yeah, I was like, so okay. I felt a little differently.
I kind of was like I wanted to make sure
the four loyal friends made it. I was willing to
lose Abe, only only because Abe was such an asshole
in terms of like trying to pick off them.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
He was panicked he didn't know. Look, I was.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Glad that they all survived. So they all have this
big chasing where literally every creature from the that we've
seen in the last Night's is running after them. The
big clown face guy with oh but they do have
a good kill the clown face guy. His sledgehammer is
so heavy. Three of them together hold it up. They
knock him over and they smash his head and his
head just smash.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
And I liked the movie. I like that the movie
did not shy away from head smashing, Like you.

Speaker 2 (48:43):
Know, there's what kind of movie, what kind of movie
does shy These head smashings are fantastic well, but it
also it's cathartic because it makes you happy, Like, you know,
he had one night where he literally killed all of them,
so them getting like killing him is great.

Speaker 1 (48:59):
I don't remember. Oh does she end up?

Speaker 2 (49:01):
She does end up killing her the zombie sister.

Speaker 1 (49:04):
Yes, And you know that for me did not really
pan out great because for some reason, the sister in
the in the zombie makeup really really really really felt
like a maze at universal.

Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yes, and that's what I was saving that for life.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
So yes.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
So basically, they finally and it's very reminiscent in the
opening scene they all have to climb to get out
of this mining underground town. They climb up like literally
through the ground right as dawn is approaching, and you
know the timing the hourglass thing clicks into place. They've
made it until dawn, but all five of them made it,

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so basically they were able to outsmart the doctor. I
mean they killed him because they weren't all five supposed
to survive. One of them was supposed to die, and
they all five made it. And then they kind of
just like drive off and they're like and.

Speaker 1 (49:50):
Then there was there was something that was reference to
the game.

Speaker 2 (49:53):
Yes, so shoots. He also told us that at the
very end on So, the doctor had all these cameras
where he could view going on the house. There's one
camera that shows a snowy like cabin exterior and a
car pulls up there and apparently, again very limited knowledge,
that is the setting of the actual game until dawn.
So what people are saying is this movie is almost

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like a prequel to the game because the game takes
place in a snowy cabin. And you know what I
found out, Tim, look at this. Tell me the two
main people in the game are the likenesses of Rommy
Malick and Hayden Pantier. How random is that?

Speaker 1 (50:29):
Now? Rommy Rammy?

Speaker 2 (50:31):
Rom I think it's Rommy. He won an oscar Yes
for playing Freddie Mercury and then and scream six. Yes, yes,
he totally forgot totally forgot FBI agent anyway. But so
that's snowy section. So if this movie gets a sequel,
I don't know if it's going to, it would be
more about the actual game and that setting.

Speaker 1 (50:51):
Now, this is such a here's the thing, here's the thing.

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Oh that's my line, here's the thing.

Speaker 1 (50:57):
Kelly Clarkson loves this movie, you guys. No, I did
not love it. I didn't hate it, and I know
that's so cliched, but it was just kind of in
the middle. Like I but I thought all the kills
are cool. I thought the cast was likable enough. Would
I've liked to care about them more, Yes, but I
would recommend it.

Speaker 2 (51:17):
Sure.

Speaker 1 (51:17):
I think it's a fun movie. I think one thing,
the trailer is exactly what you're getting, Like, they're not
they're not like it's not like a bait and switch
like where they sit around and read books. Like it
is exactly what it is.

Speaker 2 (51:29):
No, I mean, I couldn't have said it better myself,
because really we're done.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
No.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
I Okay, to address a few things. Number one, the
way that this movie felt like a haunted how slash
escape room. Like I said, like a dead meat kill video.
It really did feel like that because you're going from
room to room, there's various situations that have some sort
of horror element and of various different villains, whether it's Slasher, supernatural, zombie, whatever,

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so in that way.

Speaker 1 (52:00):
So i'd interrupt you, please forgive me. There at one
point they did drive off and there was a humongous monster.
It reminded me of The mist Yeah, go on, no.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
No, no, we forgot that because apparently, yeah, it's it's
literally five seconds in the movie, but apparently that's a
big part of the game, this big monster in the woods.
So you probably are wondering why couldn't they just drive
away when they were in this house, because every time
they tried to drive away, there's this huge monster, but
they only show it once for about five seconds and
then we never learn that monster never comes back.

Speaker 1 (52:29):
No, and it's like the size of like King Kong,
Like it's not tiny.

Speaker 2 (52:32):
And to me, that took it a little too much
into fantasy land.

Speaker 1 (52:37):
Again.

Speaker 2 (52:37):
I think that was like a easter egg for gamers
because it because it was.

Speaker 1 (52:42):
When you say gamers, I think you're saying gamer, gay
mert well, gay game. I'm a mature adult.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
Okay, so about the video game haunted house thing, it
really does feel like you're just going in a haunted
house from room to room. But with that said, how
many of us us included love haunted houses where you
go for Halloween and you go from one room to
the next. It's scare after scare. You don't have a
backstory for each room. You just go into it. So
if you go into this movie knowing that it's just

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gonna be that kind of feel, I think you're gonna
enjoy it. I think people who love seeing gory, crazy
kills are gonna love this. I think that, like you said,
I didn't, It's not gonna be one of those memorable
horror moories where I'm like, oh my god, Until Dawn
was so great for twenty twenty five. But I'm also
not gonna look back and be like that was a
piece of shit.

Speaker 1 (53:26):
You know what it made me think? It made me
think the movie hell is it? Health Fest? Yeah? Health Fest?
Health Fest made it makes it healthest look so much
more brilliant because there's a realism to it. There's a
realistic element to it. Whereas this one's just sheer fantasy.
I love health Fest.

Speaker 2 (53:44):
We both love it, but like that, like okay, Number one,
the setting is Halloween, which I love anything like that.
Number two they're actually at a haunted house fair universal
horrnites types.

Speaker 1 (53:56):
The element of danger is high risk, whereas this is
kind of.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
Like okay, well you have to there's some suspension of
disbelief for this. They're in a supernatural time loop that
you have to be like, can that actually exist? With
hell Fast? You can?

Speaker 1 (54:09):
No, I don't.

Speaker 2 (54:10):
Health Fest. They're actually at one of these haunted fair places.
They definitely exist, and everyone going through a haunted house
has wondered what if that actor is actually crazy? You
always you have to wonder that because these people they're
running after you with fake chainsaws, what if one of
them was real? They're running after you with fake knives?
What if one of them is real? So hell Fest
puts that like terrifying thought in your head, and they

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make it real this movie. I don't remember the last
time I was like worried about getting trapped in a
house that at a time loose.

Speaker 1 (54:41):
So if Until Done is sold out, go home and
watch hell I.

Speaker 2 (54:45):
Love how the point of this review is to recommend
heal Fest.

Speaker 1 (54:50):
Now, this is not a leading to health.

Speaker 2 (54:51):
It's just funny because until dawn, I think it's getting
a lot of hate on social media. I don't One
thing I told Tim, and Tim already articulated this is
that it gave me, like you said, everything I expected
from the trailer, No more, but no less. So how
do you fall to a movie if it plays up
to exactly what the trailer says. It's gonna be death

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of their death, at their death, creative death of a death,
death of no no, like every day it resets, they're
trying to find their way out. That's exactly what it was.
It didn't wow me, It didn't bore me so like
I can't complain wow me.

Speaker 1 (55:26):
No, But you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
It's like you see a trailer. Do you know how
many times the time we see a trailer where like
the best parts of the movie were in the trailer. Well,
this was I think the trailer. The movie was just
as good as the trailer. It just really was like
there wasn't anything more, There wasn't anything less. It gave
us what we expected. That's what I think, Tim, I
agree with you. One. Do you think they should make

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it Until Dawn Part two?

Speaker 1 (55:50):
Sure? Why not? We'll go see it.

Speaker 2 (55:53):
This is okay, not knowing the game, we can I'll
close with this not knowing the game.

Speaker 1 (55:58):
Don't ever mention the game again.

Speaker 2 (56:00):
I know you hate the game. I would say this,
if you're gonna make Until Dawn too, I'd make it
with different characters because I don't need these characters.

Speaker 1 (56:06):
We Hayden in Oscar Winner.

Speaker 2 (56:08):
That's what I was gonna say. I would love to
have the characters they use in the game. Maybe make
that situation, but I would just like.

Speaker 1 (56:14):
Some different Oscar Winner would love to be in a sequel.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Now he'll never be in it, Hayden. I could see
doing it if they get but give us different situations.
I like the snowy environment. I would like more like
Slasher Killers and Witchy Killers. The zombies. There's just so
much zombie stuff, but I know that's so integral to
the game, so they're gonna have them.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
Right, Like I mean, zombie has done well? Like what
twenty eight days later, twenty eight weeks later.

Speaker 2 (56:38):
Twenty eight years later, coming soon Kim's birthday forty eight
years later.

Speaker 1 (56:43):
Do you know what I just realized sixteen plus sixteen
plus sixteen? What's that? Forty eight? That's me? Thank you? Yeah,
was that?

Speaker 2 (56:53):
And the point of that was, So what you're saying
is you were three times out of a sixteen years.

Speaker 1 (56:58):
So I was thinking like Molly Rereen was in sixteen candles.
So it's like my birthday time time three.

Speaker 2 (57:03):
You're not even double her age. You are triple.

Speaker 1 (57:06):
Listen, it happens to everyone. Everyone agent Wait wait, Tim
triple I hear you. Wait.

Speaker 2 (57:11):
Okay, before we go, I'm gonna do an impression of
Tim in the uber on the way home from his birthday. Okay,
you'd be the driver.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
Okay, Uh would you like to stop?

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Could you stop for a second, I'll I'll tip you.

Speaker 1 (57:26):
I got out of the car.

Speaker 2 (57:29):
Happy birthday anyway.

Speaker 1 (57:31):
Thanks. That is until dawn. We hope you watch this.

Speaker 2 (57:34):
Until no no, no, not gonna work. Okay, Thanks everybody,
Bye bye.

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