Ep 258: Murder on the Dance Floor (w/Hiko Mitsuzuka, Creator of Fear Street Diaries)

Netflix has taken us back to Shadyside, with a standalone Fear Street film about a killer offing all the prom queen candidates in 1988. Tune in as we’re joined by the creator of Fear Street Diaries on Instagram, Hiko Mitsuzuka, to break down “Fear Street: Prom Queen” — from the things that worked, to the things that didn’t, and that end reveal… after reveal… after reveal.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, welcome to Happy Horrid Time. My name is Tim
Murdoch and my name is Matt Emmert.

Speaker 2 (00:14):
And if you're wondering why are we dressed up, it's
because Tim and I are prom King and prom Queen.
We were elected by all you listeners, Thank you so much.
There were no other contenders, but we still won. We
still wont, thank god. Yeah. Yeah, And actually we are
dressing in theme for today's episode because today we are

(00:35):
going to be discussing Fearstreet prom Queen, a new movie
that came on to Netflix. But we aren't alone. We
have a special guest with us, and this is not
his first time on the podcast. This is actually a second,
and weirdly enough, Tim, you're ready for this? Yes, this
is episode two fifty eight and he was on episode

(00:56):
fifty seven, so we were only we should have timed
this better.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
And you know what's crazy. I do want to say something.
I think the last time we spoke to Hiko, we
were in Palm Springs and we decided to do this.
Oh you know, I think I was completely intoxicated by
white clothes, so I don't know what I said. So
if I said anything silly.

Speaker 2 (01:18):
It was crazy. So let's introduce him first off, since
we had that episode with him four years ago. First off,
he Go is a really close friend of all of ours.
He has been friends with us for probably two decades.
He is a fear Street megafan slash expert. And when
we had him on the show four years ago, we
just had him on because the Fear Street Trilogy had

(01:40):
come out to Netflix, and he knows so much about
fear Street because love the books, love zar al Stein.
But since then he started an Instagram page called fear
Street Diaries, which is really awesome. You have to check
it out, and it's just in depth fear Street stuff,
covers polls, fun stuff. Anyway, let us introduce to you again.
He Go, Mitsuzuo.

Speaker 1 (02:01):
Hi Hi.

Speaker 3 (02:03):
Cue the audience laughter and cheers.

Speaker 2 (02:05):
Oh, we'll put in some applause, but like we have
our own applause. So U and I came. I came
prepared with my shady side shirt and what Grood friend
of yours got that.

Speaker 3 (02:15):
For you, which, yes, Matt, thank you. It was a
birthday gift from Matt.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
It was it was look, I mean, Hiko. When we
first heard about this movie coming out, we knew we
had to have you back on the show, because it's been,
like Tim said, four years since we recorded together with
you in Palm Springs, and I.

Speaker 3 (02:33):
Remember we were all huddled in a bedroom at the house.
We were saying, yep, that sounds dirty, but remember.

Speaker 1 (02:39):
It took time from the pool and dranken to talk
about this, which I can only imagine I must have
sounded insane.

Speaker 2 (02:49):
The funny thing is is that we also tried to
tackle all three of those movies in one episode. How
would we like, Like Tim and I look back for
our listener who have been with us for years. We
used to do two movies per episode. Now we do
one movie per episode so we can go more in depth,
and we look back on like, how the fuck?

Speaker 1 (03:10):
I don't know. That was a lot to jam in.
That's what she said you were.

Speaker 3 (03:14):
You were like, yeah, you were like the eager podcast
babies and now you're veterans.

Speaker 2 (03:18):
So well, thank you, thank you, So Hi Goo. I
want to ask, since we last spoke with you, not
like we last spoke with Higo four years ago, but
on the podcast, tell us how you transitioned from just
being a super fan to starting the Fear Street Diaries
Instagram page.

Speaker 3 (03:35):
Oh yeah, yeah, I started the Instagram page like in
anticipation for the original trilogy, and then yeah, I just
it was a great creative platform for me to like
showcase my fandom, interact with other fans on Instagram. I
got to know like the the books to gram community

(03:56):
and the and meet some book tubers, did some Instagram
live chat collaborations. It was just it was really cool
just meeting, you know. It opened like the gates to
like other fans of Fear Street like me who had
like a lot of the books or all of the
books bookcases that looked like mine growing up. And I even, yeah,

(04:21):
I did. It was just fun ways to I came
up with different ways to express that fandom and all
that enthusiasm. I did for the thirty fifth anniversary last
year of Fear Street, I did like this ultimate fan
bracket for like all the original cover art of all
the books and everyone, all the followers. They chimed in

(04:42):
and we whittled it down to like the top twenty
four and then the top twenty, the top twelve, the
top four, and it turns out everyone loved Cheerleaders the
first Evil that's been one of the most iconic covers
of the series's It was really fun and yeah, I
got to make some friends along the way and trying

(05:05):
to I was trying to like get into get some
behind the scenes or like info on the movie. But
prom Queen coming out, I wanted to, you know, really
amp up. It was like I was part of the
marketing team almost. I was doing like their marketing for them,
if you saw any of my activity on Instagram, because
I was just so excited for this new movie to

(05:25):
come out ever since I heard about it, like over
a year ago.

Speaker 2 (05:29):
So wow. Yeah, I remember when you told us about
they were making a new movie, and we were also
excited because we, as you can tell by our shirts,
we love a good prom slasher slash horror movie. I
have Carrie on tim av prom Night nineteen eighty which
is funny because I think I like prom Night more
and you like Carrie.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
I love it. I love them both.

Speaker 2 (05:49):
I love prom Night. But you know, shirts whatever, But
uh yeah, you know, so you you did Fear Street Diaries,
and like you said, I mean your content has been
promoting this movie again. It's like free marketing for them
for ages. But I also want you to tell our
listeners about the amazing opportunity. You had just a couple
weeks ago where you met R. L. Stein in person,

(06:09):
like you're idol, So tell us about that.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
Yeah, that ran I just happened to see. I follow
his brand managers and they posted something on Instagram that
he was making an appearance at this festival in Orange
County here in southern California, and he was going to
be making an appearance and doing an author talk at

(06:34):
this big community center library venue. And I went, I went.
I drove down to Orange County, like cleared my schedule
for that day. I actually went down super early, like
four hours and just to get a lay of the
land and like do some reconnaissance. And I was at

(06:54):
the community center and I saw the flyer, was looking
at the flyer, and this staffer comes by and she goes, Oh,
are you here for the R. L. Stein event? I
said yeah. She goes, well, the line is starting out front.
You might want to get in the line. So four
hours early before it started, I actually got in line.
I ended up being in like the first the first
thirty people to get into the author talk. He did

(07:17):
this like discussion panel, and then I happened to sit
next to his brand managers during the discussion panel. Then
afterwards I had to make a b line for the
autograph area. He had like a table set out. He
was and they were really strict about like you only
get two books signed, nothing else. But I brought my

(07:41):
framed fan letter reply the response from him that I
got when I was twelve years old in the early nineties.
Do the math.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
And what he failed to mention, he means the eighteen
nineties go on.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
And yeah, I had it was in the matted frame.
I took the matt out part with the letter still
in it, and he signed. He re signed it with
you know, with my name, personalizing it for me so
and he spelled it correctly, he spelled it well. I
had written it. I wrote a post it because whenever
you go to like an autograph event, there was like
whoever's helping you, the publisher or whatever, they'll you write

(08:21):
your name, want to post it first, so they be
it and they just copy it. So I had that
prepared and I went up to him. I couldn't believe
it was like first time in the whole life. I've
been a fan of his for over thirty years. I
finally got to be in the same room and like
shake hands with him, and I introduced myself. I said, oh,

(08:42):
I'm I run an Instagram called fear Street Diaries. And
he had like this look of recognition on his face
and he actually said, oh, yeah, I know, I know you.
I see you every morning and I was like, yeah,
because I tag you and everything that.

Speaker 2 (08:56):
You're like, you don't have a choice.

Speaker 1 (08:58):
Was there four thousand people?

Speaker 3 (09:00):
There was like one. There was like one thousand, but
they only let the first two hundred people get a
wristband for the autographs, so a lot of people were
turned away. But yeah, he he said he recognized me,
and I had actually he commented a few times in
the four years I've had fear Street Diaries, he's like

(09:20):
commented or liked some of my posts that I've tagged
him in. And we actually exchanged a very brief DM
where he I used it as like a pull quote
from his DM is saying like he enjoys everything I do.
So I used that quote and put it in like
my own like promotional material for the Instagram.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
That's so cool.

Speaker 2 (09:40):
So what you're saying, r al Stein slid into your DMS.

Speaker 3 (09:44):
Well, I think, oh no, well I slid into his
but I was shocked he actually replied to it, like
a couple of days later, because I'd been asking him
about the preparations for prom Queen when it was in development,
if he was doing any like interviews or blog interviews
press around it. So there wasn't anything at the time.

(10:06):
But he replied to me, and he goes, yes, thank
you for you know, I enjoy all that you do
on Instagram. So that's great.

Speaker 2 (10:13):
And he is I think you told me this, but
he is an eighty what year old man? Eighty two?

Speaker 3 (10:19):
He's in his early eighties.

Speaker 2 (10:20):
I can quickly that is unbelievable that he is. He
is still go How old is arl Stein?

Speaker 3 (10:30):
Arl Stein is eighty one years old.

Speaker 2 (10:33):
Eighty oh and.

Speaker 3 (10:34):
His birthday is in October, so he'll be eighty two
this year.

Speaker 1 (10:38):
How are you gonna celebrate.

Speaker 3 (10:41):
With a cake, you know, party for him, you know,
invite a few of his friends.

Speaker 2 (10:46):
I mean, what an incredible career, from Fear Street to Goosebumps,
to the TV show to these movies like and he's
still we almost the last book r al Stein put out.

Speaker 3 (10:58):
Well, he's constantly he's still putting out new Goosebumps books.
It's like a Goosebump spin off called House of Shivers.
Those come out every several months, So there's those, and
then he has like a collection of short stories called
stein Tinglers. The third one came out and he has

(11:20):
he's not doing any more Fearstreet books, which is sad.
He was quoted in an interview not too long ago
saying it's tough to write about teen death just because
we're kind of.

Speaker 2 (11:34):
Referring to, like were living in the era of mass
shooting school shootings, which was kind of a downer to
hear about. But he felt he feels awkward about writing
about murdering teens, so he's sticking with his younger audience
and Goosebumps. But he also is writing a new series
of graphic novels called The Graveyard Club, and the second

(11:56):
one just came out, I think earlier this month. It's
called Fresh Blood, follows a bunch of teenagers who gather
in the cemetery of their little town and confront like
spooky things. So he when he when he wants to
kill off teens, he wants to make them more supernatural.

Speaker 3 (12:10):
Now probably yeah, in like graphic novel form and have
someone just draw it for him.

Speaker 1 (12:15):
So, yeah, that is there a particular book in the
fear Street community that is the most sought after, Like
everyone on eBay, everyone like is trying to get it.

Speaker 3 (12:26):
Well, it's that's a good question because I think there's
several So within the whole Fear Street book universe, there's
a lot of spin offs, like the Fear Street Sagas,
there's Ghosts of Fear Street. There's the Fear Street Seniors,
which was like a twelve book miniseries that kind of
ended the original run, and those I know, the Seniors ones.

(12:48):
I can. I can pull them up for you right now.

Speaker 2 (12:50):
And when you say fear Street Seniors, we ain't talking
senior citizens, We're talking seniors in high school.

Speaker 3 (12:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
Yeah, I mean I'm writing up. I was like, I
was like, can we be in fair Street ten?

Speaker 3 (13:00):
Yeah. It all takes place at a rest home.

Speaker 2 (13:02):
Yeah, olden girls. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (13:06):
So this is like fear Street seen it followed like
the same characters across their senior year. And these books
are kind of hard to come by. Like there I
went online. The final book in the series was selling
for like well over one hundred bucks.

Speaker 1 (13:24):
I want a thousand.

Speaker 2 (13:25):
That would be a lot of But you know what,
that's cool because I remember specifically when we talked with
you last time four years ago, I asked you about
they don't really have continuing characters across the fair Street universe.
So it sounds like this series though it did stick
with the same group of people.

Speaker 3 (13:41):
Yeah, it introduced in the first book. It introduced like
a bunch of teens, and then each book kind of
focused on a different group of them throughout their senior year.
I feel like such a hypocrite. I don't have all
of the senior books.

Speaker 2 (13:57):
Oh my god, I'm calling the cot end this interview
right now over.

Speaker 3 (14:03):
I know, but it's I have. I'm missing like four
missing Well.

Speaker 2 (14:07):
It looks like you got to put them on that wishless,
so like I had to get.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Out that way.

Speaker 3 (14:12):
I heard that I and yes, Tim, I have a
wishless on Amazon.

Speaker 2 (14:16):
What he goes, referring to make fun of that till
the cows come home and the cows are not coming home,
we uh in our Clown in a Cornfield episode because
Clown in a Cornfield came from a book which I
unknowingly are forgotten that I had gotten. He go for
his birthday because he had put it on his Amazon wishless,
So we were joking. Tim's like, who has an Amazon

(14:36):
Wishless And I'm like.

Speaker 1 (14:37):
He go does only Well maybe that's just my naya,
but like people have wishless if they're getting married or
have a baby.

Speaker 2 (14:45):
I don't know, more like registries.

Speaker 1 (14:47):
I guess is that is not wishless? Is like a
regis similar? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Yeah, so he goes, you're gonna put the Fear Street
Seniors books on your except Heko's birthday is not for
like in like nine or ten months, so you got
a long time until I got to revisit that wish
list to go.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
They're getting a card from me. So let's shift to.

Speaker 2 (15:06):
Fear Street prom Queen. Now, the thing about this movie
is that there was an actual book called Fear Street
prom Queen. So when we.

Speaker 1 (15:15):
First heard, oh, there's the book.

Speaker 2 (15:16):
Okay, So if you are watching, which I hope you are,
because if you're listening, dishoveled hair, look at Tim's disheveled
hair and give us a comment about it. Secondly, if
you're listening, please come to YouTube where you can see
us and see he goes beautiful display of Fear Street books.
But he has prom Queen. But what I wanted to know,
and this was my biggest question, is that. Okay, so

(15:38):
they decide they're going to make a movie, but the
original trilogy that came out on Netflix was kind of
like a combination of things related to a bunch of books. Correct.

Speaker 3 (15:45):
Yeah, they took certain elements from a bunch of books
and just created an original kind of mythology. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (15:52):
Okay, So then they decide they're going to do a
movie called prom Queen, and I assumed it would be
a direct adaptation of that book. But now that we
have seen it, how closely related to the book is
this movie?

Speaker 1 (16:07):
Is there a Lorie Granger?

Speaker 3 (16:10):
There is not. So I knew going into this movie
that the writers and director was gonna like take some
liberties with the material because if you looked at the
cast list or the character names, none of those characters
are in the book. It's basically, after watching the movie now,

(16:30):
it's as if someone just read the back synopsis of
the book and filled in the rest with their own stories.
It's basically the synopsis for the book is someone's murdering
prom Queen candidates of you know at Shadyside High One
by one and we don't know who. And that's all

(16:51):
it goes into. And all the murders are kind of
done off the page. You follow the protagonist in this
in the book, and her name is Lizzie. She's she
and her friends are just stumbling upon the dead bodies,
you know, and this killer is a mystery, and and
it's you know it is. It's it's like a murder mystery.

(17:12):
Find out at the end who it is. And it's
definitely not the same killer or killers that are in
the movie.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
So well, yeah, we now, our listeners know we spoil
everything about the movies review, but we will not ruin
the book for you by me asking you who the
off wreck. Off the record, I actually want to know
who was the killer in the book because I'm.

Speaker 1 (17:31):
Interested, and off the record, I'm okay not knowing.

Speaker 2 (17:38):
Jim can live his life.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
Love the covers of the books, goose Bumps and r
l Stein like Fear Street like I love the covers.
Like as a kid, I didn't read the books, but
I definitely looked at the covers. See don't judge a
book by its cover, but I did judge it.

Speaker 2 (17:55):
He judged it. Yeah, so he goes so you're saying that. Okay,
So then my question to you is, as a Fear
Street expert and aficionado, were you disappointed that they positioned
this as a movie. I mean, I don't know if
they positioned as saying based off the book, but they
took an exact title of a book and then completely

(18:16):
did a movie that had nothing to do with the book.

Speaker 3 (18:19):
I wasn't entirely disappointed. I kinda was expecting that they
were gonna do their own thing. The filmmakers and producers.
The only thing that was a little disappointing. And I
know it's a pain point for a lot of the
diehard fans that I've met over the years, and anyone

(18:41):
who's listened to this and knows will know what I'm
talking about. One disappointment that will stand out is the movies.
And yet with prom quein as well, never refer to
the actual street in Shadyside. No one lives on it,
and you would think a character would be getting dressed
at home for the prom and like they're going out

(19:01):
in their limo and like they're leaving they live on
Fear Street and they're like, okay, bye, I see you
know it's there's no reference. There's no reference or even
mentioned of the actual street that this whole series.

Speaker 1 (19:13):
And like a missed opportunity.

Speaker 3 (19:15):
I know, they keep saying Shady Side because Shady Side
is represents this big kind of microcosm of like Middle
America or like this down the first trilogy was a
big socioeconomic metaphor for like for the working class people
and the neighboring town of Sunny Vale, which was like
more our high scale and upper class. But I don't know,

(19:37):
it's it's just really strange why no one actually mentions
the street.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
Were you happy with it taking place in nineteen eighty.

Speaker 3 (19:45):
Eight, Yeah, yeah, because that I knew that was gonna
create an opportunity for a really great soundtrack. Oh yes,
if you remember Fear Street Part one, nineteen ninety four,
that was like an onslaught of nineties tunes that we
all remember from high school.

Speaker 2 (20:05):
My favorites. Yes, every time there's a chance to listen
to a nineties station, I turn it on, go.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
On, and yeah I knew, yeah it's being set in
nineteen eighty eight, that would open the doors to a
really great soundtrack. And the music supervisors had a lot
of work to do and I'm assuming, and that's where
a lot of the budget went to Oh my particular movie.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
I mean, I'm just jumping right to the end. I
loved this movie. I didn't the other three. I could not.
The rewatchability factor for me was like none. But I
could watch prom Queen. I could watch it five more time.

Speaker 2 (20:38):
I couldn't disagree more. I no, no, And to devices,
I know Tim and I are usually on the same page.
We really are, and knowing Tim as well as I do,
I feel like, and I may be wrong. The music
may have you love that music so much that I

(20:59):
feel like they could have had someone twirling around with
their fingers and you would have been like, I love
it because you love them.

Speaker 1 (21:04):
I still love Bitchy Girls. Yes, I love Bitchy Girls,
and I love the soundtrack, and I love the eighties,
so this was like I with have them.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
I loved fear Street nineteen ninety four and what was
the Summer Camp.

Speaker 3 (21:16):
One nineteen seventy eight.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
I loved those two. I didn't necessarily love the sixteen
sixty six one. I didn't love prom Queen, but I
also didn't I didn't hate it. It was fun. It
just there was so much room for improvement, like for
the eighties type thing. Well, first off, when talking about
the eighties aspect, is the book set in the eighties

(21:39):
or was the book written in the eighties.

Speaker 3 (21:41):
Oh no, it was All those books were in present
day as they were coming out in the nineties. So
prom Queen the book actually came out in nineteen ninety two,
like four years after where this movie set. So I
feel like, I don't know, maybe because they did the
nineteen ninety four movie and if they were set it
again in the nineties, I don't know, it would have

(22:01):
been too close. But I think they just wanted to
set it in a very distinct other era.

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I love eighties. Okay, when I heard about this movie,
and I know, we're kind of giving general thoughts and
then we'll get into it. But like when I heard
about this movie and I heard a prom killer taking
place during the eighties, I was like, this is everything
I want out of a slasher movie. Like literally, I
prom Night's one of my favorite horror movies. I do
love Carrie. I love anything that takes place in a

(22:29):
like a nighttime setting of a school with a masked
killer and an eighties soundtrack. So it had everything it
needed to be. The problem is the problem. The problem
is is that other than the music, did you feel
like it didn't capture the eighties that well.

Speaker 3 (22:45):
Well, you know what this before even when the trailer
came out and like images starting appearing online, I was
reading the comments of fans and I knew there were
some comments and worries about the representation of like the
and the hair. Some people were complaining about, Oh, the
hair's not big enough and it's not as like Neon

(23:06):
and glitzy, and I mean it was a more subdued
representation maybe of like nineteen eighty eight. It could have
gone a little bit further to make it, to imbue
it with more campiness almost.

Speaker 1 (23:23):
But it wasn't a full blown comedy like that. I
think was more of totally Killer with Julie Bowen.

Speaker 2 (23:30):
This.

Speaker 1 (23:31):
I thought they really did a nice job. And I
love I know, I mean spoiler, I love the ending.
I love it.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, and we'll get that because it isn't. The ending
was my favorite part actually, But like I think, when
it comes to just talking about the eighties representation, yeah,
I was missing the big feathery bangs, the side ponytails.
Although there was a guy with a distracting a guy
who looked thirty. Yeah, the thirty year old at the problem.

(23:59):
And I also so and Jacob kind of mentioned this
as we were watching, and it is true because now
that we've lived through these decades and are in the present,
lines like eat a dick and that's sick we're not
used in the eighties and where was the script supervisor
on this, right? Like come on, like that's one thing

(24:19):
where you can't throw in teenage language. It's more recent
and then say it's nineteen eighty eight.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
I did like that they kind of paid a little
homage to Heathers when they said what's your damage?

Speaker 2 (24:30):
I said, oh, that's fine. I mean they look look
they didn't screw it up completely. I'm just saying, like,
if you're gonna put the movie in the eighties and
we're gonna have like some bitchy girls, like really like
where was a tubular or like like they said, gag
me with the spoon once?

Speaker 1 (24:43):
I think, right, it didn't even hear that. Did I
hear it?

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Did you hear it? I thought?

Speaker 3 (24:46):
I Yeah, I think I did. Yeah, I heard that.

Speaker 2 (24:48):
Yeah, But it's just like weird. There were just a
lot of teenage language that didn't feel like it was
eighties teenage language. Again, I maybe I probably sound like
the negative Nancy.

Speaker 1 (24:58):
Kind of a big broad stroke. I mean, I felt
like it was a lot of movie tropes smushed into one.
But I didn't mind that because again, it had it
had the girl that with a backstory, It had the
bitchy girl. One thing I found interesting was like girls
running for prom court, I thought you were nominated and

(25:18):
then you voted one more time.

Speaker 2 (25:20):
Yeah that was.

Speaker 1 (25:21):
That was like I don't get handing out flowers like
vote for me.

Speaker 2 (25:24):
Yeah, that was. That was a little bit different. So
to kind of set up the movie, kind of we're
at the very beginning, like we're introduced to who we
know is going to be our protagonist, which is Lorie Granger.
By the way, I love that they use the name
Laurie because Lourie Strode anyone.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
No, I'm not familiar. It's a little indie film. No
one likes it.

Speaker 2 (25:41):
They spelled it differently too, they did. They did so
like Lori Granger is the main girl, and she is
kind of set up to be the outsider. She basically
is running for prom queen because she just wants to
prove everyone wrong because there's a backstory where everyone thinks
her mom can old her dad when they were teenagers,

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which I love a good backstory. It didn't really get
fully developed until that monologue from the Bitchy Girl. But
what are your guys' thoughts on? How did we feel
about our protagonist Lori Grainger, who was played by who
is she played by Hiko?

Speaker 3 (26:17):
Her name is India Fowler, and I believe she's She's
not American. She's either a Kiwi or an Aussie or
a British. I just remember hearing clips of her speak
in her native accent and I couldn't get a handle on.

Speaker 2 (26:32):
Yeah, how do we feel about Lori Granger?

Speaker 1 (26:35):
I loved her. I think she's the most this is
again it sound so shallow today she's the prettiest girl
in school today, just today, this girl in the school.
So I was like, she should be prom queen, because
that's what it's about.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
It's about looks everything it looks. It was, Yeah, she
was a good heroin Final Girl. I remember there were
comments too like that, like she's so pretty and that's
like she's being picked on by all these mean girls
and like, wouldn't she easily fit in with the wolf

(27:10):
Pack with their group. So but maybe because she had
this tragic history in her family that she's become an outcast.
But I mean, I mean she's you know, she's very
pretty and she emoted very well.

Speaker 1 (27:24):
So there was a puzzle piece missing from like she
had one quick discussion with her mother, but like and
then you kind of hear about this the backstory later,
but then we don't get the scene at the end,
like her and her mother, Like we don't get that.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
It's it's a very Yeah, it was an undercooked backstory.
Do you it felt like that? Do you agree with that?
Tam Okay? Because I was like, I know you really
liked it, but like she the thing is is that
the other girls running for Queen Bee are all part
of this popular girl group called the wolf Pack, and
they are led by Tiffany, who was like Queen of
all bitches. It's like Regina George Slash, who's the worst Heather?

(28:01):
What's her last name?

Speaker 1 (28:02):
Heather Duke? Heather, I can't remember all the hell, who's
the worst Heather?

Speaker 2 (28:06):
None of you guys remember, Oh my god, were they met?
Oh Heather something? She's like the trope of beyond bitch
Everything that matters is prom queen and she's got her
three friends. Two of them are just as bitchy and
the only other one that has like some redeemedble qualities
as her friend Melissa, who was the actress who was

(28:27):
in Until Dawn. I'm Ella Rubin yep And okay, so
thoughts on the wolf Pack did they nail the Bitchy
Girl crew? Well, how do you guys think?

Speaker 1 (28:37):
Yeah, there's a dance number to prove it.

Speaker 3 (28:40):
Oh my god, that was very That was very taken
from Mean Girls.

Speaker 2 (28:44):
Yes, there is a dance number at the prom where
all of the wolf Pack are in patriotic looking one's
one pieces and they all do it's the most ridiculous dame.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
What was the song playing?

Speaker 3 (28:56):
Oh god, the look by Roxette?

Speaker 1 (28:58):
Yes, and a little bit. But you know Lily Taylor.
By the way, Lily Taylor's in this movie, which I
love seeing her because you know from Mystic Pizza the Haunting.
What else was she in?

Speaker 2 (29:09):
Conjuring the Oh, the conjuring? How could I forget that
Mystic Pizza like that? Oh, Lily Taylor known for Mystic Pizza,
How could I forget about the con the conjuring. She
was great, you're right, Lily Taylor. Okay, there's a lot
of side characters there are. There's the principle and the
vice principle. The vice Principal's Lily Taylor. There's her like
very religious, kind of awkward son who gets maybe three

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minutes of screen time, some.

Speaker 1 (29:34):
Good three minutes because that sounds so dirty.

Speaker 2 (29:37):
The best three minutes I've ever had, No, but it
gave us just enough red herring to be like, oh,
he's a suspect. Yes. There's also the only other girl
running for prom queen that isn't part of the wolf pack.
And her name is Christie and she's played by who
is she played by Hiko Ariana Greenblatt, And she was
in Barbie and she's supposed to be like she's not

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not an outsider, but like, is she just like a
drug dealer? I don't remember.

Speaker 3 (30:03):
She's like, yeah, she's like the cool rebel girl who
like is a lone wolf. And she was also in
that movie Borderlands with Jamie Lee Curtis last year.

Speaker 1 (30:13):
Oh yeah, that was a box office bomb.

Speaker 2 (30:16):
But you know, but you know what wasn't that a
small independent film called Halloween.

Speaker 1 (30:21):
No one's interested.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
Yeah, that small movie you know that she's been known
for for forty eight years now or forty seven.

Speaker 1 (30:27):
I wish you would talk about it.

Speaker 2 (30:29):
Oh, how there? Okay? So yeah, so we get all
these side characters, but we can't forget Lorie's best friend.
She's Megan, and she's also an outsider, but she's like
the kind of outsider in high school who embraces it.
You know, she doesn't care that she's gonna be cool.
And she also is a really loyal friend. I gotta

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tell you, I really liked Lori and Megan, and I
liked their friendship, and a part of me wanted them
to be lovers.

Speaker 1 (30:55):
I thought it was gonna go that way. I thought
it was like I thought there'd be a stolen kiss
or something thing.

Speaker 3 (31:00):
Yeah, it was queer coded as they say. And and
also you she left out that she's a horror nerd.
So she that's like that speaks to you, all of us.
So she's really cool. In the beginning of the movie,
she pulls that prank in class, chopping her hand off,
so she Yeah, she's a cool girl. She's like probably

(31:21):
someone we'd all be friends with.

Speaker 2 (31:22):
You and the thing is there also reminds me of
the type of person I was in high school because I,
unlike Tim, I was not like anyone in this popular
Tim was one of the wolf bag. I was not popular,
but like I was involved in a lot of stuff,
and I've sort of was a class clown, so I
could see myself. In fact, I'm pretty sure I've told
you guys this story. But like my best friend Josh

(31:43):
growing up and I, when I was a sophomore in
high school, in the grun stage, I had hair down
to my chin, This is true, and I had had
it for a year, and I decided that that day
I was going to shave it all off, go and
get a haircut. So because I knew I was going
to do that, we planned a prank in my journalism
class where Josh and I faked getting in an argument
and he took a pair of scissors and chopped a

(32:06):
big piece of my hair out, and I freaked out,
and we did this in front of the class, and
everyone freaked out and I started laughing hysterically and we
got sent out a class by the teacher.

Speaker 1 (32:15):
I love it.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
Yeah, it's true story, true story.

Speaker 3 (32:18):
I've heard many being your friend for so long, I've
heard these stories. I've heard many stories like this.

Speaker 1 (32:23):
Yeah, were you in the prom court?

Speaker 2 (32:25):
No, Tim, I was not. But tell me, Tim, were
you in the prom court?

Speaker 1 (32:29):
I've peaked in nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Wait, he goes, then what kind of student were you?
Tell us everything about your high school days.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Well, I went to an all boys school high school.

Speaker 1 (32:38):
I like it.

Speaker 3 (32:41):
No, we had we had the all girls school down
the road, so we did we did functions together. It's
we competed with each other at speech and debate. All
the school plays were with the girls' school. But I,
I mean I was a lone wolf my freshman sophomore year.
It was a huge bookworm, so always had my nose
and books. But then I joined speech and debate and

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kind of found my tribe and like, you know, got
more involved and kind of was, you know, on good.
I was like on good good terms with everyone, like
I wanted to. I knew different groups of people, or
I was acquainted with different groups of people, so I
was kind of like a chameleon or just you know,
trying to go around and be friends with everybody. But yeah,

(33:26):
and our prom was, Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (33:29):
What was the theme, the Enchantment under the Sea.

Speaker 2 (33:32):
Oh god, I.

Speaker 3 (33:33):
Don't think even I don't think we even had a theme.
But we had at like a like a catering hall
were usually that usually has like wedding receptions and whatever.
I think it was called the fountain Head. But growing
up in New York, we we had funny enough, we
had a DJ at our prom who kind of scammed

(33:54):
a lot of us into buying tickets to an after
party in Manhattan after the prom, and there were all
bogus tickets because we went to this club in Manhattan
called Speed, and back then we spent twenty dollars a ticket,
and back then, god, we're dating ourselves. Twenty dollars was
a lot for an h in the late nineties. And

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we get to the club and it's like this narrow,
tall building, which I guess at the time I'd never
been in a a New York City club. It seemed
really intimidating, and it was all these different levels of
just like weird people and flashing lights and red lights,
and the tickets were bogus, so we had to pay
another twenty dollars to get in, and none of us

(34:39):
were feeling the club, so we ended up walking out
in like ten minutes.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Wait, this was an adult DJ who scammed a bunch
of high school kids.

Speaker 3 (34:47):
Yeah what God, we reported it. I mean everyone reported
it to the school, like to the principal and everything,
and there were some people who were able to get
their money back, but I I never got my money back.
And yeah, that's like the one big memory from my prom.
And we spent the rest of the night though, like

(35:09):
we went somewhere for like a late night meal in
Manhattan and then just took the limo back to like
it was. It was a group of ten of us.
We were five couples in one big limo, and we
ended up just going back to someone's house to do
like a sleepover.

Speaker 2 (35:23):
So all fun and and and the girl you went with,
he go, uh how did that go?

Speaker 3 (35:31):
No? No, it was a friend of mine. We'd known
each other like since since sixth grade, and she went
to the all girls' school, so there was.

Speaker 2 (35:38):
An understanding there wasn't gonna be any funny business.

Speaker 3 (35:41):
Not with anyone.

Speaker 2 (35:42):
Yeah, I love it. Wait real quick, because this actually
is probably more interesting to me than the movie was.
But like, Tim, I want to hear your problem. That
problem story quick.

Speaker 1 (35:51):
It was a good friend as well, and like I remember,
she was wearing heels. I remember her throwing off the
heels and dancing. She's really into dancing. And all I
was concerned about was getting that crown.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
Well and you and you didn't win, right, but you
were part of it.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
And his name, the guy that one was named CJ. CJ.
Wherever you are, I'm coming for that crown.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
I love. I mean, I've told this story on a
previous episode, but I'm going to retell it because the
biggest memory of my senior prom was I asked a
girl that I actually was dating at the time. I
know I was dating a girl, but before prom it
ended between us and she started dating someone else. But
we agreed to still go to prom together and that

(36:32):
was still going to be our night. And so she
came with me and my friends. We had a limo, everything, everything.
We get to the prom and she ditches me for
the guy she was dating, and it was just really
upsetting because we had agreed we still were gonna make
that our night. And but the good news is everyone
always asks like, oh my god, that's so horrible, But
I actually ended up still having a great time with
all my friends, and you know, like you know, who

(36:54):
cares about her?

Speaker 1 (36:55):
Like, I mean, do you remember going into prom and
like the serious couples like they were, like I mean,
they probably just ended up pregnant.

Speaker 2 (37:03):
The funny thing about her ditching me first, she probably
made the right decision in the long run, because I
wasn't gonna be doing anything with her. But like, I
had a great time at prom without her and all
my friends.

Speaker 3 (37:12):
You know, we all loved. We all loved tearing up
the dance floor, Like the DJ was pretty good. We
made requests. God, what was playing back then?

Speaker 1 (37:21):
It was like the Macarena?

Speaker 2 (37:24):
No, that was that? Was that your promo?

Speaker 3 (37:27):
Oh? It was like that you know that song by
next called too Close? No, oh you're dancing real close?

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Yes of course, of course, yes, okay, of course I
don't know any titles. But yeah, oh my god. Okay, Well,
moving back into Prom, I was about say prom queens.
So the first murder we get poor Arianna green Blat
That that's the name, right, the she and she probably
was one of the bigger names in this movie. She
ends up getting killed the night before Prom, and okay,

(37:58):
I will say this, like the killers out. It was cool.
I really liked being read very like blood red raincoat,
and the mask was creepy, and she gets like axed
to death after she's doing like a drug deal or something.
And it was kind of unexpected because I thought she'd
be a bigger part of the movie.

Speaker 3 (38:17):
Yeah, well again. I Leading up to the movie's release,
there had been speculation that she was going to get
killed early on because she's not in any of the clips.
In the rest of the trailer, she was the biggest name,
so maybe this movie was going to pull a you know,
scream Drew Barrymore thing, just like they did with Maya

(38:40):
Hawk in the opening of Fear Street nineteen ninety four.

Speaker 2 (38:44):
Good, yeah, a very scream esque. I loved the Fear
Street nineteen ninety four is opening in the mall and
Maya Hawk mall. It was just so cool anyway, sorry,
but like they kill they kill her, And so the
next day, of course, the only person who's even asking
about her is Megan because she wants to get joined before.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
My boyfriend does show up at the problem looking for
and I was like, Whency is he a killer? You're
like aid, But I was trying to figure out who
the killer was from the get go.

Speaker 2 (39:12):
Yeah, they definitely do a great who done it?

Speaker 3 (39:14):
Job?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
And so when we get to the problem, we do
have Like Tim said, Laurie has a weird relationship with
her mom, who likes to wear white tank tops. By
the way, I loved her mom and the white tank
who apparently again like this was I felt like a
missed opportunity because I was really interested in whatever that
backstory was about why her mom was accused of killing

(39:35):
her dad at the prom, and I was like, oh
my god, it's going to be connected. It's final destination, bloodline.

Speaker 1 (39:40):
I really feel like I don't know if this is
a casting thing, but like I didn't feel like the
daughter or the mother had any kind of connection, and
like I wanted it to be a stronger connection.

Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah, with your thoughts, that might have been, you know,
the direction. Like I one of my criticisms. I mean,
I enjoyed the movie, I didn't hate it, but you know,
I have some criticisms like it could have been a
direction issue. I feel like it was just a red

(40:14):
herring that didn't wasn't strong enough, Like you're supposed to
be given all these clues and red herrings to really
genuinely think, oh, you know, could it be this, could
it be this person? But they just were weak and
I don't know. It was like you said, Matt, the

(40:34):
who done at Angle could have been a little bit stronger,
Like we're just at one point, we're just watching people
getting killed, with you know, ten seconds being spent on
one character looking shady, and you know, especially the janitor,
Oh my god, the janitor. And it's such a textbook
definition of creepy old guy red Herring. It's like, obviously

(40:56):
he's not gonna get killed, and I mean, obviously he's going.

Speaker 2 (40:58):
To be killed, and obviously he's not the That's the thing.
It's like, I get when a movie is trying to
use the common horror tropes. I get that, and I
respect it, but there's a way to do it and
make it smart. And I didn't feel like the janitor, like, Okay,
we get it, he's gonna have a creepy look on
his face in every scene and be watching people. It

(41:21):
was so over the top it almost felt parody. It
was like, we know, there's always a creepy guy. There's
a creepy gardener in prom Night, but that was before
they knew what the trope was, so I excuse it.

Speaker 1 (41:32):
They were walking a tightrope with like going for parody,
like I thought like they didn't. I mean maybe a
little bit with Chris Klein and his wife, which actually
turned out to me. But but like those characters are
so cliched and even britt it was a name, Brittany, Tiffany,
Tiffany the same, but like those characters were teetering on parody.

Speaker 2 (41:58):
Yes, the thing is we forgot to mention that Tiffany
the head bitch. H what is it, HBI. Yeah. Her
parents are played by Chris Klein, who we were shocked
because we all grew up with Chris Klein as like
the student in American Pie, like the guy from American Pie.
Now he's like a dad slash teacher. And her mom

(42:18):
is played by who he go, I know you.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
Catherine Waterston, who I guess most noted for being in
the Fantastic Beasts franchise.

Speaker 2 (42:29):
Oh that one.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
Harry Potter spin off franchise.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
You're speaking to the wrong people, Harry, What I can't
I like the score it's Jim like the cover. You
know their parents, her parents are the typical like Regina
George parents like Amy Poehler, where they're kind of living
vicariously through their daughter. They want her to be prom queen.
They're very involved. And the thing is when we get

(42:55):
to the prom, it was interesting that I did like
that Lori didn't have a date. She went with her
friend Megan, and and I was nice. Again. I love
the friendship dynamic. And we're introduced to Tiffany and her
wolf pack. After they do that ridiculous number, each of
her friends start dying. But I noticed that I couldn't

(43:16):
tell one friend apart, could you, guys?

Speaker 3 (43:19):
Well, they were given such one little Yeah, they were
given such little time to be any memorable characters that
it was just at one point in the movie you
were just watching it. That's when it kind of felt
like one of those trashy eighties movies that go direct
to video that we sometimes watched together, yes exactly, or
direct yeah, direct to streaming. Like they're just characters you

(43:42):
really don't get invested in, and they just get butchered
and sliced and diced.

Speaker 2 (43:45):
So, you know, let's talk about some of these kills,
because there were some pretty intense, slash creative kills, like
her first friend who gets killed I think her name
she's blonde. No, her name is Debbie. As I start choking,
Debbie goes to a room to hook up with her
boyfriend and she literally gets gutted. We don't see it, though, That's.

Speaker 1 (44:10):
Where I thought. I thought that was an element of
cleverness because like, as she was walking into the light,
her guts were coming out, and then the guy had
a good reaction too. Again, this movie is built for
chase scenes because if you watch the original Prominent Wendy,
is it Wendy.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Wendy's scene from prom Yes.

Speaker 1 (44:29):
It goes on forever, and I just wanted a little
more chase scenes because everyone gets kind of killed very quickly,
except for the two girls. But that was a good gill.

Speaker 2 (44:41):
So I totally got that name wrong. I'm looking now.
It was actually Linda. Debbie is the friend that gets
get But again this is an example of I only
remembered the certain characters that made an impact. So Linda
got gutted her boyfriend, and to me, it kind of
reminded me, did anybody get like a faculty vibe when
they took the It's what's that thing called paper paper cutter? Right?

(45:03):
Paper cutter? Of course, Yeah, the paper cutter, and he
gets both arms cut off and arms just the hand.
Oh just is it just the hands? Oh?

Speaker 3 (45:11):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (45:11):
And that was kind of funny because he's trying to
escape and open the door and he can't because he
just has little stubs on his hands. That was creative. Yeah,
and then he gets bashed to death. Her other friend
who was Debbie. She and her boyfriend go down to
the basement. He's the one with the creepy ponytail and
he gets was it like a buzzsaw in the face.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Did you guys take shop in high school?

Speaker 3 (45:36):
No?

Speaker 1 (45:37):
I had to build a birdhouse in seventh grade, and
like we had to use that kind of equipment. Looking back,
that's insane. We were in seventh grade cutting and using this.

Speaker 2 (45:47):
Anyway, did anybody think it was a missed opportunity that
he didn't get his ponytail chopped off first?

Speaker 3 (45:53):
Yeah? Commenting on how hideous it was, Well, or.

Speaker 2 (45:56):
I was hoping that pony the pony the killer was
going to pull him by the pony tail.

Speaker 1 (46:00):
It was just so it was so fit. I feel
like they're setting us up for something, and then it
just he just had a baby scrunchy on and it
just looked hideous, and I was like, okay, so the
only point of that is just to look hideous.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
I think it was an elextra eighties weird fashion choice.
But then the poor girl Debbie, she throws herself into
the electrical like the circuit breakers and everything in electrocutes herself,
which I thought was creative because I always think it's
funny when someone kills themselves running away from the killer. Yeah,
it's just like a fun thing. So, did did you

(46:32):
guys have a favorite kill of all of those or
anything that stood out for you in those kills?

Speaker 1 (46:38):
Well, my favorite kill is the girl Melissa, who's very
very nice, like she has a change of heart against Tiffany,
and like then she's like she throws the drink on her,
so she has to go away into the bathroom to
get out of her dress and she's wearing her like
one piece when she was doing like the dance number,

(46:58):
I thought that was jen and ly suspenseful. I actually
thought she wasn't gonna get killed because she was nice
to the main girl Laurie. And then when she was
in the killer had one of these yeah the thing.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
Yeah, you know what's funny about that scene, Like Tim
was saying, this is a character I remember Melissa because
she's the only one of the wolf pack that turns
on Tiffany and has actually nice to Laurie because Tiffany
is just like, literally no one can talk to Laurie.
We're gonna win prom queen one of us, but she
wants it to be her, And Laurie's an outsider treat
like shit, and Melissa's the only one that stands up

(47:31):
to her. That scene in the bathroom, I do agree
it did have some suspense. I wanted more. Yeah, like
if they had taken that in, it amplified it by
three more minutes of suspense or a chase or something,
because it was dark, she was in the bathroom herself.
It's like they had all the elements and then they
ended it too quickly.

Speaker 3 (47:49):
Yeah, and well that's another thing, Like I think this
movie could have been longer. Usually we're complaining about movies
that are too long, Like this movie could have been
extended a bit to like like Tim was wanting more
backstory exploration and more yeah, more chase scenes, more opportunities

(48:10):
to like really live and get to know the characters,
Like the movie was really quick. When I saw that
it was like an hour and thirty minutes and like, wow,
that's that's a fast movie compared.

Speaker 1 (48:20):
To that got me excited.

Speaker 2 (48:22):
Well you know, no, yeah, I totally agree. And that's
what I think was missing for me, because it's like
you said, it got to a point where we were
going from kill to kill and in between was maybe
two to three minutes of like people looking creepy on
the side so they could have more red herrings, and
that's what it missed. Like, after most of the wolf
pack is killed and it's only just Tiffany and Lorie,

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they decide, rather than spending five minutes on a scene
that could be like a chase scene or building suspense
or backstory, they instead put in a dance off, like
a dance number where the two girls danced to a
full song, which they could have used to build suspense. Tim,
I know you loved that.

Speaker 1 (49:05):
Tiffany was so awkward and like, I know she wasn't
going for like full blown laughs, but she got him
from me.

Speaker 2 (49:12):
Yeah, yeah, he goes thoughts on the dance scene, Oh.

Speaker 3 (49:15):
Well it was I took my mind totally went to
mean girls when they did the jingle ball jingle bell rock. Oh,
and then the dance off.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
Yeah, the dance off that.

Speaker 3 (49:25):
I feel like they were trying to be like, oh,
this is an eighty movies. Didn't every eighties movie, teen
movie have some kind of dance off? It was. It
was funny. It just came out of nowhere. And what
did they dance to? Was it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (49:38):
Gosh, I should know, But I didn't make a mental.

Speaker 2 (49:41):
I know. I didn't make a mental none either. All
the songs were great, yeah.

Speaker 3 (49:44):
All the time, But there was that one song I
never I didn't recognize and it might have been like
a newer, more contemporary song that sounded eighties, but we
were all laughing because we watched it together. Yes, yes,
it was. It was funny to see Tiffany like stumble
and like try to get this contrack.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
Against her character. Oh. Going back to Melissa's death, there
was also the little twist of like when she did
get killed, there was two killers, So now us as
a viewer, we had to figure out two killers. So
I was like, okay, well who would meet up together.

Speaker 3 (50:17):
To kill people?

Speaker 2 (50:18):
I did like that. Again, like there's a lot of things.
I probably came off a little too harsh at the
beginning with my thoughts on this movie, because I didn't
hate it, and there's a lot of movies that I
have hated that have come out, but this is not
one of them. I just thought there were so many
missed opportunities in this movie. With that said, I did
like that suddenly we see, like Tim said, two mass killers,
So we're thinking, Okay, this adds a new element that

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means people have to work together. Is it two members
of the wolf Pact? Did someone did? Maybe? There was
even part of my brain that was like, did the
girl who was gutted? Was that all fake? I was
thinking there could have been stuff like that person.

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Was very tall and menacing, So I was like, okay,
it's got to be a teacher.

Speaker 2 (50:56):
It was it a teacher? It wasn't a dad? Was
it a parent? Was it Laurie's to add back from
the dead?

Speaker 3 (51:01):
We didn't know.

Speaker 2 (51:01):
There was so much but like, yeah, the dance off
was just like I'm just again. I love the dance
scenes in prom Night, But the reason why they work
is because they don't skimp on the suspenseful scenes, you know,
so like you can have both. I'm not saying the
dance scene didn't work. I'm just saying, if you're gonna
have that scene, also give us like some suspense too
as a horror comedy. But could yeah, it.

Speaker 3 (51:23):
Could be used as a device to like like a
juxtaposition against against something else that's happening at the same time,
or ah, you know, back and forth, like a buying
back and forth. Yeah, or or it like actually is
a part of a character's story, or like I know, yeah,
so yeah, I agreed.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
Yeah, so we're getting to now okay again. For me,
a movie is successful in terms of character development if
you get me to significantly care about a character. And
I actually really cared about both Lori and Megan, and
I was really worried that Megan her friend was gonna
me too, because Megan goes into the basement and finds
a bunch of the bodies and I'm like, oh shit.

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And also Laurie finally like Laurie has a crush on
Tiffany's boyfriend, who finally realizes she's awful and dumps her
at the proms some.

Speaker 1 (52:14):
Interesting dialogue there. He's like, she goes, uh, you know what,
why do you keep just staring? We make a move.
So then when he actually did try to make a move.
She's like, Nah, not really, I'm not into this.

Speaker 2 (52:23):
Yeah, Like Laurie kind of tells her friend Megan, who's like,
oh my god, I found bodies. This is crazy. So
there's a killer at the prom and as an any
horror movie, you're.

Speaker 1 (52:31):
Ruining this for me.

Speaker 2 (52:33):
Yeah, I don't believe you. You're crazy at what drugs
have you done? Usually it's the parents saying this. But
like Laurie goes off with Tiffany's now ex boyfriend to
canoodle or something. This surprised me because the guy, he
was very nice and he is just talking her out
of nowhere and randomly gets an axe in his head
and I actually jumped a little. I don't know if

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you guys saw I did.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
And also he go brought to my attention that I
referenced a forty year old film called The Prowler.

Speaker 2 (53:02):
Way Echo explain that for our listeners, because it was
a good dig at Tim.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Actually, but I was sitting next to Tim. We were
watching this movie, and you just said, oh that, Kim,
that was so surprising. It reminds me that kill that
killer is like the Prowler, And I just immediately turned
to him, and I said, wow, thanks for that forty
year old reference, Tim.

Speaker 1 (53:24):
And he's absolutely right. I think it's actually maybe forty
three forty plus, Yeah, forty five year old reference. But
there's the Prowler has a really distinguished kill where this
guy gets it in the head. It's so disturbing. I mean,
like these movies don't go to that level of disgusting.

Speaker 2 (53:40):
In the Prowler, his eyes go fully white. It is
really disturbing. In this one, he gets to acts in
the head and then starts what we finally have been
waiting for, which is a chase scene. And we do
get a good chase scene where Lori and Megan together
are running away from the killer. And I will say
that the stunt person who puts on the copme did

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play it really aggressively, like that killer was fucking knocking
the door.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Did either of you think when the two girls were
like literally running for the prom to go and you know,
be near the people, did both of you think that
Megan was gonna get like her head chopped off her.

Speaker 3 (54:15):
Yeah, like he was going to come out of a
corner because because Laurie was ahead of her, and that
Megan was gonna get held back in like an axe
to the face or something from around the corner.

Speaker 2 (54:25):
Yeah, and you know, let me tell you because other
than the end, this scene was my favorite. And let
me tell you why it was my favorite. I loved that. Okay,
you usually have a killer in a slasher movie in
the dark when there's not a lot of people. I
have rarely seen people running through a public forum with

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tons of people and the killer is still coming after them.
And we got that with Laurie and Meghan. They're running
through the prom floor. All the people are there, the
killers slashing people, pushing people aside. They get up to
the stage to try to warn people. The killer gets
on there and they have their final fight on stage.
I thought that was a great decision.

Speaker 3 (55:04):
Yeah, something that he chops, he chops, he runs in,
chops a guy's head off, chops a girl's leg off,
chops the principal's arm off on the stage.

Speaker 2 (55:14):
I will say there was a lot of arm and
hand chopping off. Like I was like, okay, let's come
up with something new. But with that said, I just
thought this scene was so great because I love I
hate how in horror movies, like before the last kill,
like everyone evacuates, or everyone leaves the party, or everyone
leaves the school. Like I love because you immediately associate

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public forum with safety. And I kind of thought it
was cool that, oh my god, they're here with everyone
at the prom, but the killer is still coming after him.
Like this killer doesn't give a shit.

Speaker 1 (55:45):
It's very Carry, because in the movie Carry, they're all
in there stuck in the gym, So this is it's
very much like the guy in the red slicker in
the mask is taking people out because he chopped that
girl's leg off. He cut up that bitchy kid's head.

Speaker 2 (55:58):
Yeah, did you think he go make and was going
to get killed? And would you have been upset if
she had been murdered?

Speaker 3 (56:04):
Oh? Yeah, I, like Tim said, he had asked us
like I when they were running, I thought she was
going to trip and do that trip and fall and
like be like the last one out. But I would
have been disappointed because I really liked that that central
friendship relationship in the movie. It wasn't like, yeah, it

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wasn't like it it was two girls, two friends. It
wasn't like the last couple standing. It wasn't you know,
the final girl and her crush or her her knight
in Shining Shining Armor. It was Yeah, I like that
Megan stayed with her through the end.

Speaker 2 (56:41):
I did too, because again, like you, exactly like you said,
we've gotten so many movies where the final girl's crush
makes it with her her boyfriend or let's say, like
they're sibling or something really.

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Curbed that whole aspect of like a guy saving the
day or like a couple like they just like, oh,
he gets a knife through his head. Done.

Speaker 2 (56:57):
And that's where I liked it. That's where I thought
it pulled it so away from other movies that the
core the survivors were the two friends. So Laurie scabs
the killer with her tiara, not the one Tim's wearing,
but in the eye, and we find out, oh my god,
the big reveal spoiler alert everyone, Chris Klein ak Tiffany's
dad is the killer. And Okay, I, as we were watching,

(57:20):
I know I may have ruined it for people, but
I looked over at Tim and he and I said, well,
obviously Chris Cline's the killer. He's been gone for half
the prom and what do you know, Well, there.

Speaker 1 (57:29):
Was one really scene that told me he was the killer,
Like he knew that when he said I'm the killer. Yeah,
when he goes, I'm the killer. No, when he said
when he took the drink out of someone's hand and
it was like the punch fully full of vodka and
he just wolfed it down, I was like, that is
a killer move.

Speaker 2 (57:46):
Oh because a dad's drink and yeah, yeah, you can't
do that. But as we are viewers, we know he's
not the only killer. Now he doesn't give anyone up.
But I was like the motive of him just wanting
to get his daughter to win prom Queen. I guess
it was a little light for me. Do you guys
have thoughts on that? Because I just I is prom

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queen and king that important?

Speaker 1 (58:08):
I mean, I'm still talking about it.

Speaker 3 (58:10):
In Shady in Shady said it is.

Speaker 2 (58:12):
Yeah, that's the thing. Like again, well, it's like, I
don't want you to spoil the book, he goes, but
can you at least tell me what was the motive
of the killer in the book.

Speaker 3 (58:21):
Oh yeah, So the book is a lot simpler because
it's only one hundred and fifty pages and there's only
three murders. I think, so someone is knocking off the
prom queen candidates and you find out and what the
first let me rephrase or go back a little. There's

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a girl who goes missing when the first prom queen
candidate goes missing, and it turns out it was her
killing the candidates. She faked her own disappearance or kidnapping,
and she was killing Her name was Simone. And I
remember all this because I read it last year for
an Instagram live chat and to prepare for the movie.

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Her name was Simone and she was killing all the
candidates because they also happened to have fooled around with
her ex boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (59:11):
I think I would have preferred that plot. By the way,
I only asked you for the motive. But thank you
for spoiling the whole book.

Speaker 3 (59:16):
Oh, I'm like, oh, but didn't give it.

Speaker 1 (59:19):
Oh yeah, I did give away the care you did.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
It's okay, It's okay. Please please, we spoil so much about.

Speaker 3 (59:24):
It's a thirty three year old spoiler edit together.

Speaker 2 (59:27):
I uh. I kind of think that would have made
for a really cool I don't know.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
I really love that parents are so invested in Tiffany's life.
I love well. I didn't think much of the mom
in the beginning. I was like, oh, she's she's okay,
but then when she went full blown nuts.

Speaker 2 (59:45):
Oh so it was good. Do it okay? So, but
to jump into the ending, so Laurie goes home with
Tiffany because their neighbors, and Tiffany finally apologizes for being
just absolutely horrible to her the whole time that her
dad's a killer. The mom is talked to you by
the cops, and we all know there's another killer involved,
and I'm thinking, is it the daughter, is the wife?

(01:00:07):
Was it someone who's having an affair with so? And Laurie
is nice enough to this girl who's been so awful
to her the whole movie to like stay with her
as she falls asleep. When the mom goes home and
we find out, what do you know, the mom's the
second killer, and she wants to go and kill Laurie.
And first Laurie and Tiffany are like running away from
her together and while they're hiding in the closet, Halloween
referenced him Bob. Ever, Tiffany tries to stab Lourie. So

(01:00:31):
you find out it's a fucking family affair. They all
were killer.

Speaker 1 (01:00:35):
She should have been called fair Street family business.

Speaker 2 (01:00:38):
Well, then I think the not an aspect babbit, but anyway,
and we get through that. So this is a big
plot point. Change thoughts on that because I will say,
as much as the reveal was wasn't shocking to me,
I did kind of like that they all were in
it together, because like, literally, this whole family is nuts.

Speaker 3 (01:01:00):
Yes, and I appreciated the plot twist. And first of all,
it was kind of funny that the mother comes home
and she whips out a giant kitchen knife and she's
going up the stairs running the knife along the banister,
like making so much noise, not being stealth or quiet
at all, and Laurie like wakes up and here, what's

(01:01:23):
that noise? So like, oh, another killer is on their way.
So the mom, I guess she I guess the mom
was like totally fed up with it. She's like, I'm
gonna do whatever I want and just come and get
this bitch. So you're so right.

Speaker 2 (01:01:35):
I didn't even think about that. She wasn't quiet at all.
She could easily snuck up on them and killed Laurie.
But instead she's like, I'm gonna just put this knife
through the ban of stir make as much noise as possible.
I knew the mom was pretty much the second killer.
I thought there was a possibility Tiffany was a bitch
the whole movie, but actually wasn't horrible and maybe wasn't involved.

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But at the same time, it was so in character
for her to be involved.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
One scene where she literally is so condescending to her
in the movie and so mean and calling her nothing
that I was like, I don't know if she could
flip flop that fast. So I when she did pull
out a knife and then like the daughter the mother,
like I was into it. It was very campy. I
was like, Oh, this is working all for me.

Speaker 2 (01:02:21):
So campy. And then we get the very slightly tacked
on backstory and we find out that actually Tiffany's mom
killed Laurie's dad, not Laurie's mom like everyone assumed, because
she left her for Laurie's mom. Now, again, like not
to nitpick logistics, but wouldn't Laurie's mom, in her defense,

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had said, hey, he had a jealous ex girlfriend who
probably killed it, Like, would not have been her first
defense to put the onus on her. Can't think about
that kind of logic.

Speaker 1 (01:02:53):
That's the scene that's really missing, is that the mother
never told Laurie like, hey, there might have been like that,
like the fact that the two mothers across the street
weren't Did anyone.

Speaker 2 (01:03:03):
Want Laurie's mother to come in at the end to
help her?

Speaker 1 (01:03:06):
I did?

Speaker 3 (01:03:07):
Maybe, Like It's like, did they not have the budget
to use that actress for that day? They only had
her for one day to shoot two scenes in the whole.

Speaker 2 (01:03:15):
And a white and a white day tank top. Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:18):
I didn't like that, so he was didn't she wasn't
Laurie's mother also on the police force?

Speaker 2 (01:03:24):
Yes?

Speaker 3 (01:03:25):
Wait was she?

Speaker 1 (01:03:26):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (01:03:26):
Well in the first scene she had a uniform on.

Speaker 1 (01:03:29):
Yes, wouldn't you know what was going on?

Speaker 2 (01:03:33):
Knows?

Speaker 1 (01:03:34):
Maybe she was like a security guard every character.

Speaker 3 (01:03:37):
Laurie's mom could have shown up with the with the
cavalry when the ambulances at the prom, like, oh, my daughter,
what happened? You know, I'm here with my police chief
and officers, and we don't hear from her again? Yeah? Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:03:51):
After Laurie was attacked and almost killed, almost butchered, life
was almost fileted last night, Billy. After Laurie was attacked,
wouldn't the first call be to her mom to be okay?
Too much thinking about this. Uh So, Laurie very brilliantly
kicks the fuck out of Tiffany and she gets thrown
off a banister and lands on What the fuck was that?

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
It was like a piece of art, and it reminded
me of Black Christmas two thousand and six when she
lands on the Christmas tree and slide.

Speaker 2 (01:04:18):
Not she he oh that's right, that's like. She doesn't die.
She thinks you so she's dead. So it's down to
just the mother and her. Now, me, being such a
Lourie Metcalf missus Loomis fan, wanted there to be some
sort of just like, you know, like a confrontation between them.
We did not get that. Now, we did not get that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
Okay, so there's a little one, there's a little tiny scuffle,
but the best is and this was so funny to me. Okay,
so she goes downstairs and she opens she gets the trophy,
bashes her head. But then as she's laying down on
the ground, she's like, you banch, you man, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:04:53):
She didn't finish her off.

Speaker 3 (01:04:55):
Well, I mean, because what would Yeah, she's not a killer,
what would that say about She couldn't stoop to that
level for she. I mean, obviously the mom got brain damage.
She was just going to die out. She was just
you know you, but she was short, cirkening, but she
was still determined to like call her names.

Speaker 2 (01:05:14):
You're nothing, and then I have to ask you he go,
because that's kind of how it ends. But we do
get a mid credit scene where her blood forms like
a pentagram shape. Now tell us what does that mean?

Speaker 3 (01:05:25):
Well, yeah, it wasn't a pentagram. But if you remember
the original trilogy from twenty twenty one, it was the
mark of the Witch. It was starting to form the
mark of the Witch Witch, which which you know, fans
of the movie will assume or like try to figure

(01:05:50):
out that maybe the mom and maybe the dad were
possessed by the curse, the Shady Side curse, and that's
why they went berserk and was they were killing everyone.
So I was actually waiting. One of my whole I
actually wrote a piece Unmatchable about speculating what could we

(01:06:12):
expect in this new movie, And one of the things
was that, based on the trilogy, could this prom queen
killer be supernaturally motivated? And so I was as the
movie was going on and on, I'm like, oh, maybe
not maybe it's just a straight up human killer. But

(01:06:33):
then that little nugget at the very end in the
mid credits scene, it like just dropped and it was
a very big easter egg to like think about and like,
maybe you know there was something supernatural involved in all
of these killings.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
So yeah, I do remember the like Shady Side witch
and the Curson. Wasn't it related to the fear family
but spelled f I e er or something like that, Well.

Speaker 3 (01:06:59):
Yeah, if so. In Fear Street sixteen sixty six, we
find out that it was the Good family. There was
the Good and the Fears, and the patriarch of the
Goods he made like a deal with the devil to
have all of his descendants to have like wealth and

(01:07:22):
prosperity and success for generations to come. And that kind
of led to the creation of sunny Veil and Shady Side,
Shady Side being the downtrodden, bad luck town and sunny
Veil being the upper class, prosperous town. So that happened,

(01:07:43):
and that and part of that deal was that a
bunch of people would always be killed like every generation
or every couple of decades in Shady Side.

Speaker 2 (01:07:54):
And so is this lore or mythology brought up in
the actual Fear Street books or was that made for
those movies.

Speaker 3 (01:08:00):
Well, they borrowed some elements from actually the second trilogy
within the Fear Street book series, called the fear Street Saga,
and it's about the Goods and the Fears, but it
was actually the Good family was actually good, like Ralstein
was very literal with that, and it was the Fears

(01:08:21):
who were like practicing the dark arts and black magic
and created the whole curse on the town. They kind
of swapped it with the movies with the movie trilogy
because in the movie Trilogy in sixteen sixty six, Sarah
Fear was accused of being a witch when she wasn't.
She was just a lesbian and having an affair with

(01:08:43):
another woman's village and that was like conceding, which yeah, yeah,
so there was. Yeah, it was kind of flipped and
changed for the movies. But yeah, I'm I'm curious to
read now, to go online and see all the fan
theories and comments critiques about what people, you know, what
people think about all of this.

Speaker 1 (01:09:03):
In the end, Well, technically she wasn't dead and neither
is Chris Klein, so they can be.

Speaker 2 (01:09:08):
Well, yeah, yeah, the dad is alive. He just cause
I got gouged out. I think that she was going
to be brain dead. She was bleeding out or something.
The mom was and Tiffany doctor, Tiffany doctor. Yeah, Tiffany's
definitely dead. Well, I love to know what is everybody's
overall thoughts on the movie, and I want to actually
end with Hiko. So first tim, what are your overall

(01:09:30):
I mean, I know you kind of alluded.

Speaker 1 (01:09:31):
To this and I loved it. It was such easy
viewing for me. It was like it was like a
cherry coke just went down real nice.

Speaker 2 (01:09:38):
And it was sweet.

Speaker 1 (01:09:39):
It was so sweet, ubblie into it. I mean, I mean,
my only criticisms at all is that, you know, I
want a little more chase scene and maybe just yeah,
just just longer chases. But you know, I like the
hour in twenty nine minutes though maybe not.

Speaker 2 (01:09:54):
Yeah, I mean my thoughts are very different. But like
I I just thought it's hard not to come compare
it to the other Fear Street movies because it's part
of this like kind of anthology in a way, and
I just thought the other Fear Street movies were a
lot stronger. I thought, like I've said in this episode
there wasn't a ton of characterization, although with that said,

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there were a couple characters I did legitimately care about.
I thought that there could have been a ton more
suspense and a ton more story brought on, especially with
the backstory related to her mom, which I was interested in,
and they kind of didn't fully explain that. And I
thought that the ending and having a full family involved

(01:10:36):
as the killers was interesting and I think that was
one of the stronger points, and like I said, the
scene when the killer runs through the prom But all
in all, I just didn't think it was a strong entry,
Like with all the horror coming out lately, the movies,
I'm gonna remember, I don't know if this is one
of the movies, I'm gonna be like, oh my god,
Like that really stood out as like a strong horror movie,

(01:10:58):
but it had all the elements where could have been.
So I think that's where I'm a little disappointed. Okay,
so he go, Now we want all of your thoughts
on the Fear Street prom Queen movie.

Speaker 3 (01:11:10):
Well, because I care so much about these books and
the franchise, you know, I have a lot of thoughts,
So bear with me, just because I've been such a
diehard fan for so many years, and you know, having
been a part of and seen the anticipation with the books,

(01:11:31):
the Graham community, the book tubers. I'm coming I'm coming
at it from all different sides. But I didn't hate it.
You know. It was a straight up, you know, trashy
eighty slasher. That was the overall feel I got from
this movie. Obviously, I knew going into the into the
movie this wasn't going to be loyal to the book

(01:11:51):
because these books were written, you know, so long ago.
They have to be translated in a way, especially on film,
to like, you know, to amp the scares and death
and really work hard for that R rating. I know
there were a few disappointments. I know they didn't mention
Fear Street. None of the characters lived on Fear Street.
This is, I know, an issue that a lot of

(01:12:13):
fans had with the movie trilogy. I think it could
have been longer. I think it could have been it
could have stayed more with the characters, you know, been
a little stronger with the development. You know, it kind
of lived up to its cheesy trashiness that I was expecting,
you know, kind of like the ral Stein books. You know,

(01:12:33):
there was that kind of ridiculous twist at the end,
which which is really fun and really helped that final act.
It was really gruesome, really fun, and also knowing I
had expected it to tie into the lore that the
trilogy had set up. So I'm glad for that mid

(01:12:54):
mid credits scene where you see the mom bleeding out
in the living room and it forms that witch mark
that harkens back to like sixteen sixty six and the
curse that was put upon the town. So obviously, yeah,
there is there was some supernatural force driving these particular
killings in Prom Queen.

Speaker 2 (01:13:14):
Question for you, do you think, with the exception of
that ending scene, they could have just called this movie
prom Queen and not made it related to Fear Street? Like,
do you think that do you think that maybe they
used the equity that Fear Street had and made a
movie that wasn't really true to Fear Street.

Speaker 3 (01:13:33):
Yeah, I mean I think, yeah, even if you took
the label Fear Street off of this, it would be
a fun, you know, prom themed eighty slasher. You know,
even though the book took place in the book came
out in nineteen ninety two, so you know, you could
have it taken place in that year, but of course
we had Fear Street nineteen ninety four. That's too close.

(01:13:54):
Nineteen eighty eight kind of sets its own fun, aesthetic
and tone, and especially with the music. They must have
put all of their budget into the soundtrack for this,
the music supervision. And that's another thing too. Someone who
worked on the movie I won't say their name, reached
out to me on Instagram just to say, you know,

(01:14:18):
they've been following me on Fear Street Diaries. And as
I was like, you know, promoting the movie and posting
so much stuff, especially them, I went to this what
do you call it a pop up? Yeah, like an
experiential pop up event that Netflix put on here in
La which actually the venue was literally one mile from

(01:14:39):
my apartment, and that was really cool. They recreated the
whole prom setting and there were lots of photo ops
and like scare zones with the red hooded killer. And
as I was posting all this content up, you know,
the person reached out to me on on Instagram and said, Wow,
they put way more money into the marketing than they
did the actual movie. Yea, And overall I kind of

(01:15:03):
got that feeling as well, like it felt cheaper overall,
not as cinematic as the trilogy might have felt. So
you know, that was a little jarring for me. But overall,
I mean I will, like like Tim said before, I'll
I will probably watch it again. I will watch it

(01:15:25):
again just to live in it more. And yeah, I
mean I'm gonna take it for what it is, a fun,
trashy ninety minute slasher, and yeah, and and I will
be looking forward to whatever adaptations they come up with
next for Netflix.

Speaker 1 (01:15:43):
Yeah, I was.

Speaker 2 (01:15:44):
I wanted to know your thoughts on obviously Fear Street.
It's such a hot property and now that they have
revived it in movies on Netflix, and obviously even with
the not so positive reviews that this one's getting, it's
still going to continue. People love these books, as you know,
what do you want to see next in terms of
a Fear Street revival? Do you have a certain book
in mind? Do you just want more of the specific

(01:16:05):
Fear Street lore? What would you want to see next?

Speaker 3 (01:16:08):
Yeah? Yeah, I, like a lot of other people fans
that I know, there's a lot of great iconic entries
in the book series that could be adapted for like
future slashers or supernatural stories. Halloween Party, of course, is
close to my heart. It was the very first book
I ever read, and it has a perfect setting. You know,

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these teens being invited to a Halloween party in Simon
Fear's mansion in the woods, the Fear Street Woods, and
there's a killer in the house with them. There's that
The Silent Night books is really popular. They could you know,
it seems ripe, you know, the franchise seems ripe for
like a holiday theme slasher. Silent Night has this main

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character who's like this spoiled rich girl who gets terrorized
around Christmas time. And then there's also broken hearts. It's
a Valentine's Day slasher has a great tagline on the
book cover Valentine's Day can be a killer. And of
course I think the I don't know if you call
it the Holy Grail or like. The most excited that

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fans would be would be for an adaptation would be
The Cheerleader's Trilogy. That was another nineteen ninety two series
of books. It's basically about cheerleaders being possessed by an
evil spirit.

Speaker 2 (01:17:31):
Relatable Tim and I always joke as have you seen
the movie Cheerleader Camp.

Speaker 3 (01:17:36):
Oh yeah, I have the DVD.

Speaker 2 (01:17:38):
It's awful, Yeah, awful, but like it's such a great setup.
And Tim has the DVD and he would bring it
over and we would never watch it. And so every
time Tim would leave, he'd be like, and don't go
thinking that Cheerleader Camp DVD is yours. And I'm like,
don't worry.

Speaker 1 (01:17:53):
Anytime anyone mentions anything about Cheerleaders, I think of that.

Speaker 2 (01:17:56):
Tim owns it. It just like okay, yeah, Like I
personally I want Halloween Party to be made into a movie.
Can you can you guess why?

Speaker 3 (01:18:05):
Tim?

Speaker 1 (01:18:05):
No, I have no clue because no one cares about
that film. But I think I think Silent Night would
be fun.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Yeah, yeah, even though it isn't quite Yeah, I mean
obviously the filmmakers would have to amp it up and
change it. Like of course, you know, especially after seeing
prom Queen US fans, we have to move forward knowing
that they're just going to take the basic premise of
these books and really just run with it with their
own kind of material and stories.

Speaker 1 (01:18:32):
So do you think if it's number one on Netflix,
they'll be a prom Queen two.

Speaker 3 (01:18:36):
That's a good question, because we know that one of
the killers is still alive.

Speaker 2 (01:18:42):
Right, it's true, But like, what is he gonna do
follow her into college? Like that's the thing, Like I guess,
and I guess his daughter, unless maybe what if Tiffany
has a blunt sister or she flunks to have you
a fifth year senior just to be prom going dead?
Oh yes, oh god, oh my god. Oh okay. So

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so then then then what would be the killers? I
guess he would be.

Speaker 1 (01:19:05):
Trying to avenge his wife and daughter.

Speaker 2 (01:19:08):
Oh okay, but yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:19:09):
There are there are some books in the Fear Street
series that have that have sequels, but promequin doesn't. I
think with the movies they're going to have to be
very episodic. Yeah, and just standalone because there is there's
like almost one hundred books in the series. They can work.

Speaker 2 (01:19:28):
I just think, again, this is with a lot of
personal bias. I just think a Fear Street movie about
a killer at a Halloween party that they release at
Halloween time on Netflix would be so popular, Like it's
just as a built in audience because you have the
Fear Street fans, you have people looking for horror at Halloween.
Anything around Halloween is a great idea, right, Tim, Yeah,

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it's just like it's just perfect. And like you said,
they could easily connect it to the lore just by
saying it's a party at mister Fear's mansion, like, and
just keep at that so at least you appease the
fans and then you don't have to put too much in.
You're right that they had no ties in promptly, and
they could have just easily had one shot of Fear
Street or one line you know, so goose bumps, Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:20:11):
God, wrong series.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
Well, he go, I think you need to be a consultant.
We're gonna call it here. Tim get R el Stein
on the phone.

Speaker 3 (01:20:21):
Go, Okay, if you know anyone at Netflix, you know this,
you know I'm I have all the material. I'm very
familiar with it. Let me help you, Let me help.

Speaker 1 (01:20:32):
Call like I see the movie credits, like an executive consultant.

Speaker 3 (01:20:37):
Consulting producer.

Speaker 2 (01:20:39):
Yeah. Well, I mean, but the truth is, we talk
about this all the time as horror fans. More fans
should be involved in the development of these new movies,
because I think the biggest concern that a lot of
fans have is that the people that are working on
them don't understand the material or aren't true fans themselves,
So just like have a few fans involved and will
give people what they want.

Speaker 1 (01:20:59):
I don't know, we could talk about that forever forever.

Speaker 3 (01:21:03):
Yeah, and that that said, that kind of makes me wonder,
like did the co writer and director, you know, how
familiar was he with the book series? You know, I
haven't seen any interviews with him, but that makes me
wonder just based on you know, the results of Prom Queen.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
But yeah, well, look, we've had a blast living out
our prom dreams with you as prom King and prom
Queen from Happy Hard Time and our Fear Street expert.
He go, tell everyone where I mean, we talked about
your Instagram page, but give everyone like the handle on
where they can find you on social Oh.

Speaker 3 (01:21:36):
Yeah, it's at Fear Street Diaries. I'm doing a fun
little giveaway, but by the time this comes out, it's
probably be over with. But having gone to the shady
side high Senior Prom, I managed to get some cool
like little souvenirs that I'm going to give away on Instagram,
but that'll be done with probably Fear Street at Fear

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Street Diaries. My personal one is at the First Echo.
Uh and yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:22:04):
You're only fans. Also, are you on Are you on
that my only fans?

Speaker 3 (01:22:10):
Yes, And I've been I've kind of been posting more
of my Fear Street fan content and other horror content
on my TikTok, which is just my name. He Go Mitsuzuka.

Speaker 2 (01:22:24):
So yes, spell that, listeners, spell it m I T
s u z u k A correct that stuff. Yeah,
I am bragging Tim spell Mitsuzuka. Okay, Okay, Well, thank
you he Goes so much. This is a great I mean,
you were the perfect guest to have on this because
number one, since we haven't read the books, we'd have
no idea what we were talking about and purely assess

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it as a movie. Uh So, it's thank you for
providing all of like the info so that Fear Street
fans or just fans of horror can know like the
background of these and what maybe they missed out on
in this movie because it didn't have such a tie.
But yes, everyone check out Fear Street, Di and Hiko.
I'm sure we will have you on again, and thank
you so much for your time. We've had a blast.

Speaker 3 (01:23:05):
Thanks guys.

Speaker 2 (01:23:06):
Okay, we'll take care. We'll talk to you soon. Okay,
bye bye. Lookaybye.

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