Ep 263: Oops She Did it Again!

The killer robot that took the world by storm two years ago is back — now taller, sassier, and more of a ro-boss than ever! 💅🏻 Tune in to hear us break down “M3GAN 2.0” — from our thoughts on the film switching from horror to more of an action adventure flick, to the scenes and one-liners that had us laughing, and the very relevant point of view it took on embracing the future of AI.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Welcome to Happy Horrid Time. My name is Tim Murdoch.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmert. Welcome to Hot July. Yeah, Tim,
how hot are you?

Speaker 1 (00:19):
I truth be told, And I don't think this is
a secret. I hate the hot weather. I do not
like to sweat, ever, And.

Speaker 2 (00:26):
The funny thing is, and we've talked about this, Tim
doesn't sweat much. I sweat all the time. As you
can see, we're I'm still getting used to us doing video.
We have these hot lights on us. It feels very theaterish. Yeah,
I know, Tim is, I'm not, but I'm just like so,
if you see me wiping my head, it's not because
I have a nervous ticke. It's because I'm fucking hot. Tim.

(00:48):
Now show everyone your T shirt. Weeho Now, for everyone
who does not live in Los Angeles, Weeho is West Hollywood,
which how would you describe it? Tim?

Speaker 1 (00:57):
I used to live there for sixteen years and it's
a place where gay men and women.

Speaker 2 (01:04):
It's where the Pink Pony Club is. If you listen
to Chapelle Rowan, Yeah, Chapel Roan. No, West Hollywood is
the gay area. Tim used to live there. I am
wearing a shirt in theme with today. I did not
have a Megan shirt.

Speaker 1 (01:18):
I don't have a Megan shirt.

Speaker 2 (01:19):
The other killer doll Tim in this film, No, no, no,
it was like.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
Chucky and the girl is Tiffany.

Speaker 2 (01:31):
Yes. Now I just got this shirt. I was really
excited because I don't have a Bride of Chucky shirt,
and it is if you watched our ranking. I did
a ranking of the Chucky films and it's my second favorite.
You can find those on YouTube. We do one every week.
And I wanted to get a Bride of Chucky shirt.
And then I'm like, well, if I can't wear it
for a Chucky thing, I'll wear it for Meigan.

Speaker 1 (01:51):
That's good because it's doll related. But even though the
movie that we're talking about it's I don't even remember
them saying the word doll.

Speaker 2 (01:57):
They don't. It's more like Robot, like Hiller, Robot, the Hiller. Well,
before we get into the movie, we uh, did you
have a.

Speaker 1 (02:05):
Good Pride Month? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:07):
God? At Gay? I mean I feel like what Pride
Month is? Every month for us? Uh? The only thing
we closed out Pride Month. Jacob and I went to
visit my family in New York. City because my nephew
graduated from elementary school. Now, if you're wondering do they
do graduations for that, they actually do. And he even

(02:27):
walked down with all the kids wearing a cap, and
they were all wearing a cap to pomp and circumstance.
It was very efficient.

Speaker 1 (02:33):
Well what's that.

Speaker 2 (02:34):
That's I never know the name of the song. Oh,
you know the graduation song, Pump and circumstance if you
wanted to be, If you wanted to be, it's called
pomp and circumstance. Now I'm doubting, Like, no, it is
pomp and circum pump as in Lisay. So we went
to the graduation ceremony. Now, let me just paint a

(02:55):
picture for you everyone, Okay, knowing that I a lot. Okay,
So we're in New York where the humidity is high.
They were going through a heat wave, which meant it
was over one hundred degrees with tons of humidity in
that in New York. So riding the subway and going
into the tunnels was so unbearable. Now, the actual subway

(03:18):
cars are air conditioned, but the tunnels, I'm just like
pouring sweat, wearing nice clothes. We get to the graduation.
It's air conditioned, but you know, like when you're inside
and the air condition is not doing so well that.

Speaker 1 (03:30):
I do remember living in New York for a short
time and getting into certain cards were some are cooler
than others.

Speaker 2 (03:36):
Yes, and that's the thing. And it's like really good
air conditioning, like at a theater is great. It's so
cold that you almost get cold.

Speaker 1 (03:43):
I wear I bring a sweatshirt to every single movie.

Speaker 2 (03:45):
I go to. I love it. But anyway, the actual
graduation was so sweet. They called his name, they all
did like a song and everything very very sweet.

Speaker 1 (03:54):
The actual graduation outdoors.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
No no, no no, was in the air condition the
slightly air conditioned place. But the best part was you'll
love this. So we went to this brunch afterwards. It
was a brunch for all the graduates and it was
at a pub and we were thinking, oh, it's gonna
be brunch, you know, like omelets and stuff. Guess what
the menu consisted of. It's almost like they picked all
of the kids lunch food. It was chicken, fingers, fries, sliders.

(04:23):
It was all like your food. Yeah, I love it.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
I was like, what's the problem here, I know, I
see no problem in this.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
On a good day, I love that food. But when
I'm craving brunch and it's listed as a brunch, I
was like, where are the eggs and stuff? So we
had chicken fingers fried. It was like all carves, that's everything,
Oh carves.

Speaker 1 (04:38):
Yeah, Like I need a summer body.

Speaker 2 (04:41):
You need I thought summer bods are made in the winter.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
That's so true, and I forgot.

Speaker 2 (04:44):
You forgot, I forgotten. Look, our summer bods are made
after the summer.

Speaker 1 (04:49):
Ok. And I've heard the term dadbod, but what if
I don't have any kids, it's just fatty bod.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
No, no, no, it's still dad bod because even if
you're not a dad. It was coined because a lot
of dads had figure. But now it's just like, I
don't know, like it's it's still the term for that.

Speaker 1 (05:05):
And this is what I've come to learn in my
forty eight years of life. Tell me I have zero discipline,
and when I don't want to work out, I will
not work out and I'll just watch TV. So I
may have a dad babe, but I'm in complete denial.

Speaker 2 (05:18):
I'm going to challenge that because you don't have zero
discipline because it takes a lot of discipline to do
this podcast. Like we we spend a ton of time recording,
watching films doing it. That's not body discipline. Oh you
mean like eating yeah? Yeah, yeah, like eating healthy and
working out. I don't have that zero discipline. I'm gonna
say I don't have much either. When I somewhat, When

(05:40):
there's times when I'm like, I gotta get serious. I
got to like either lose some weight or bulke up
or something. I can do it. But as I get older,
as I get more comfortable with Jacob, I feel like
I'm just like let it go. I mean when I
was like maybe ten years ago, when I was in
early mid thirties, I and I was single, everything was

(06:03):
like the gym and appearance and all that, and I you.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
Were like, what's that show that it took place on
Jersey Jersey Shore. I was on the shore.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
I remember what was that? What was there?

Speaker 1 (06:15):
Life?

Speaker 2 (06:15):
It was tan laundry, that was you, uh, Jim. I
did do tanning at certain points in my life, bad
points in my life when I was healthy. Tan No, Like,
first off, I don't think they're the only healthy spray
because it's fake. I've done spray tans. I've done. I've
done all the annoying appearance based things, and then I

(06:37):
just got to an age where I stopped caring and realized, like,
I am your Yeah, I am who I am. And
I think as I get older, whereas the Hollywood way
is as you get older, you do more stuff, I
do less. So I don't think I'm going to be
the type that ever gets like botox or even dyes
my hair anything.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
I mean, never say never, but I first stuff I
can't afford it.

Speaker 2 (06:58):
Well, like look at this beer. As I grow my
heard out more like I've got some patches of gray.

Speaker 1 (07:03):
You at least have. It's dark.

Speaker 2 (07:06):
I mean it's darkness.

Speaker 1 (07:08):
Comes in white.

Speaker 2 (07:09):
It's tough for you because you have you had to
have black hair. So when gray comes on blonde, you
see it more. It's more pronounced. Well, actually that's not true.
Gray on brown you'd see more, right, because it's such
a contrast. I don't know either, looking forward to you
turning gray? How dare you never know? And the thing
is sometimes like I've had friends say like, do you

(07:30):
dye your hair? And I was like, no, does it
look like a fake. It doesn't look fake. But it's
really strikingly black. I mean it's it's this is just
what my hair go.

Speaker 1 (07:40):
You're lucky.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Now. I always tell people this. If I were to
dye my hair, i'd probably like pick a different color,
like make it fun pony. I was like, how's that
song going? Okay? Well, one thing that we did with
my nephew is we also went and I saw it
again with Tim because we make air we see every
movie that we're gonna review together. And but my nephew,

(08:02):
who loves harm, really wanted to see Megan and I
wanted to get to see a movie with him. So
we all went to see Megan two point zero and
my nephew, I keep saying, my nephew, bix. He got
the Megan two point zero popcorn bucket. Now, if you
have seen this, uh, it was being offered. The problem
is is that as cool as it is, it was

(08:22):
like forty seven ninety nine.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
I mean, it's really cool because I have one popcorn
bucket and it's the clown from it and I put
it on top of my frigerator and when I come
in the way myfrigerator is it looks like it's a
human head and it's just looking at it and it's
just like it, but it's a clown. I really is disturbing,
but you know, I'll keep it there.

Speaker 2 (08:42):
I love these popcorn buckets are amazing, and my sister's
a great parent for buying it for him. With that said,
I wasn't gonna spend that much money myself for Jacob,
and I considered it. I think I would have spent
up to thirty Do you.

Speaker 1 (08:55):
Get free refills?

Speaker 2 (08:57):
I mean, but what are you gonna do like go through?
Oh you mean like if you bring it back to
it in the same day. I mean it's like how
many times you're gonna leave? But I mean, like how
much room is in? Meghan's not enough? Not enough. I
even looked at it because it was filled with popcorn.
It's the equivalent of like a small popcorn.

Speaker 1 (09:12):
Great.

Speaker 2 (09:13):
It is a great decoration. And again he loved it.
I loved it, but I wasn't willing to spend it
for myself. I considered it though. I saw it and
I was like, I was like, Jacob, that would be
really cool.

Speaker 1 (09:23):
I've seen one for the Karate Kid movie, which I
didn't see, and it's like a karate chop and they're
they're having one for Jurassic Park pack. One's going to
be a lot of money, I'm sure.

Speaker 2 (09:33):
Of course. I if they had had one during the
Halloween trilogy, the Blomhouse and then like it was a
Michael Myers had one hundred, would get adjacent exactly like
I'll spend fifty bucks for a Halloween thing, but Megan's crazy.

Speaker 1 (09:45):
Playing fifty bucks for a popcorn.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
It's it's like the novelty of it. You know. It's
like you and I we collect so much Halloween Friday
thirteen stuff that we wouldn't even blink an eye.

Speaker 1 (09:53):
First one I saw was for Barbie.

Speaker 2 (09:56):
Oh do you remember that?

Speaker 1 (09:56):
I mean, even though I grew up with Barbie's.

Speaker 2 (09:59):
You did Hey Barbie's, Hey Barby, and you didn't even again.
We talked about this, how week you couldn't like I
could fake because my sister, you know, a girl had Barbies.
You know. It was just it was just like I
was the final child. Okay, So Megan two point zero. Uh,
this is the long awaited sequel to Megan. Well not
really long, it was only two and a half years.

Speaker 1 (10:19):
Actually, it's feeling that you mentioned that. I actually feel
like so much time went by that people are.

Speaker 2 (10:26):
Like, who's Megan.

Speaker 1 (10:27):
Yeah, I mean a little bit, a little bit. It
was like, okay, well, like you know, two years ago, it's.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
A long time. I kind of wanted to first talk
about the marketing before we get into the movie because
this kind of framed my overall opinion. And I have
a lot of thoughts on this movie. I'll just tell
you in advance, which I know you may be thinking
it's Megan, but there's a lot in this movie. Okay.
So the marketing for this movie, they knew that Megan
became like an icon, especially among the gays, because of

(10:53):
her catch phrases and her quirky dances. And it was
just like ooh, it's like a cool sassy killer.

Speaker 1 (11:00):
Yeah, and you know, they played Britney Spears. Oops, I
did it again all through every trailer, and I was
like I was waiting for a big dance number in
this movie, and it, yeah, happens.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
They marketed Megan two point zero like it was gonna
be like pure camp as in it would be like
like she would be just cracking one liners the whole time,
fighting this other robot as she like you know, like
does sassy dance moves and like, so they made they
really catered the marketing to I want to say, like

(11:32):
the gays and the people that liked her sassy, like
her sassy attitude. They didn't really market it like it
would be like a serious look at today's day and
age when it comes to AI. And maybe they did
that because they're like, Okay, we're gonna use what the
strengths were from the first one and get people interested.
But then you go to see the movie and it's
not the quite what was marketed. It was a lot

(11:56):
more in depth.

Speaker 1 (11:57):
In that big scene, there is a scene in the
trailer where this bigger gentleman is dressed as Megan and
wearing a Megan big and he goes.

Speaker 2 (12:04):
Something like she's she's like a a feisty bitch and
I love something.

Speaker 1 (12:09):
I was like, where's that scene?

Speaker 2 (12:11):
It was cut and every even like this bitch versus
this bitch, like they made it very like hey bitch,
like very like it's like what Drew Paul's drag race.

Speaker 1 (12:19):
Like you know, I actually thought we were gonna see
like the gayest movie.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Up exactly, and it definitely wasn't that. Now with that said,
that doesn't mean that I didn't like it. I very
much appreciated this movie, and I feel like it had
a really smart point of view to it. I just
was a little lost in terms of I was like,
I feel like I didn't see the movie that it
that was marketed. Now, the last time I've remember that

(12:42):
is I'm trying to think when a trailer made a
movie seem a certain way and it really wasn't. Can
you think of I know there's been me Well you
mean snooze fest and it was a snooze fest. Yeah,
movie no sparratu. Well, it's more like I'm gonna take
a snooze fara.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
This was doing no far asho.

Speaker 2 (13:01):
You know what, I'm impressed you're pronouncing your no.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
I know, I like I'm smart.

Speaker 2 (13:06):
By the way, if you have. And I'm not saying
that because I'm putting you down. I'm saying it because
go back to our episode where we reviewed nose Fautu
very begun. I think our first episode the year Tim
could not say He's like nas nas nuns snasnow it anyway. Okay,
So that's the thing about this movie, like it had
it was very They they put a ton of messages

(13:27):
into it in a big very like Mission Impossible, Terminator
sci fi.

Speaker 1 (13:33):
Like there was okay. So I went to Universal Hornets
and there were so many dancing Megans and she's doing
her little numbers. And then there was the gay Parade,
which I didn't even go to. I thought online and
like there's Universal. If you go, it's all these dancing megans.
It's Meghan, Meghan, Meghan in the outfit. So I thought, oh,
this is this movie's gonna have like Meghan in the outfit.
I think she's in the outfit for maybe three minutes

(13:53):
of the movie.

Speaker 2 (13:54):
Yeah, it's very She's in very many outfits, different outfits.
And she does have a dance scene when she's at
this like AI convention and she's pretending not dressed. She's
pretending to be like a girl group like robotic singer
type thing, and it is kind of funny, but it's
not quite It didn't have quite the magic of that
first one when she did that cartwheel, followed by like

(14:17):
holding in the shit.

Speaker 1 (14:17):
I was a girl in the mask and like she
was so good. Yea, that's what I wanted.

Speaker 2 (14:23):
It's true, and I think a lot of people and
I'm worried that people may have gone into this movie
expecting what they saw on the trailers and they weren't
willing to, you know, like pivot with it and adapt.
But let's go into the movie and then we kind
of talk about like our thoughts because it is a
very and I know this is gonna sound really funny
if you haven't seen Megan two point zero and you're
hearing this review and you're like, what do you mean complicated?

(14:45):
It had a pretty complicated blog.

Speaker 1 (14:48):
Yeah, I mean there are gonna be parts while we're
talking about this movie where I'm like, I, yes, I
knew it was going on, Yeah, but my mind had
to catch up. And you know, I'm not saying like
I can be a dumb dumb No.

Speaker 2 (15:00):
No. There was a lot of dialogue. It was dialogue heavy.
They were talking about AI and robotics a lot more
in this one than even the first one, and you
really did have to listen. And I ended up seeing
this movie again, like I said, Tim, so I had
a better grasp one. I actually enjoyed it even more
the second time because I was able to grasp all

(15:20):
of these things. Maybe I don't know, I don't know,
I don't know. So the opening scene, it's very much
like it's you're opening on an Austin Powers movie because
it says like the Iranian border, and it's like they
basically there's a mission going on and there's a robot
named Amelia that our defense system is put together to

(15:44):
do like a mission overseas and to rescue a Saudi
Arabian scientist. And the mission was for this robot Amelia.
She's like a killer robot that was based off of
Megan's programming that she's gonna kill everyone and rescue this guy. Well,
the mission's going gray, and they're all like celebrating, and wow, the.

Speaker 1 (16:02):
Footage of them watching it is amazing.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, it's like you're you're it's like you're watching like
something from the Pentagon and they're all watching her rescue.
They think this Saudi Arabian like physicist or whatever, and
then she shoots him dead and they're like, wait, what's
going on. She's not responding to her programming, and they
realize she's become sentient, which means she's become self aware
and knows that she was being controlled and has now

(16:26):
gone rogue. And that's the big setup. There's this rogue
killer robot Amelia, who's just like Megan but even more advanced, and.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
She looks like not the Olsen twins, but the sister
Elizabeth Olsen. Yeah, like it's I was literally like, when
did I didn't even know she was in this movie.

Speaker 2 (16:42):
So Elizabeth Olsen is not in the movie. The actress
who played Amelia is named Evanna Sack or sok No,
And I've got to give her major props because she,
whereas Megan is played by a girl who does her
movements and then they put that face on it so
it looks robotic. She that was Evanna's face and all

(17:05):
the movements were her so she like I read something
where she like had a movement's coordinator, but she did
so well she really looked like a robot.

Speaker 1 (17:13):
Like she looked like a robot. Let me bring it
back to nineteen eighty six is Deadly Friend. When Christie's
wantson had a coyo.

Speaker 2 (17:20):
Wow, yeah you mean when she did this? Yes? Yes, yeah,
not even closed, not even glad. She's like, wow, maybe
why did you meet baby baby baby? Yeah? So basically,
then we catch up with Gemma and Katie and basically
it's been two years since Megan we find out Jemma
did go to jail for being responsible for the killer robot,
but she got out, Yes, she got out, and she

(17:43):
now is like a voice for AI regulation and she's
all about like regulating screen time and technology with people
because for fear of what happened with Megan. She's like,
you know, she has this new boyfriend who runs this
like anti AI organization and she still works with Tests
and Cole, the roboticists from the first one. By the way,

(18:05):
we love, love, love, love love. Jen van Apps, who
plays Test and Cole, is played by Brian Jordan Alvarez. Yes, yes,
who plays the teacher. Yes, the Teacher.

Speaker 1 (18:15):
Is that television show The Teacher. Oh, he's got a
Hulu show show called The Teacher.

Speaker 2 (18:20):
I know he did all the TikTok stuff. Will you
talked about that? Yes, I like all sorts of personalities.
But Jen Van Epps we had on the podcast and
we interviewed her again and that is coming out next
week and we're so excited because of course she got
was back in Megan Tuboyo. We had to have her
back on the podcast because she's just awesome. But anyway,
it was so fun to have Tess and Cole back

(18:42):
because you find out that Jemma is still working with them,
but now they're not developing like full on robuffs, they're
developing like exoskeleton suits actually humans.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
I actually thought that was a really cool part of
the movie, Like you fit into it. Like if you're
tired and you have to take a bunch of logs
from the backyard to the front yard and you're too
tired to do it, you just put in the like
you put yourself in like the robot thing, and it
lifts it for you.

Speaker 2 (19:07):
It literally, it's almost like doing all the muscle work
so that you don't you're just kind of a participant.
And the way Jemma explains it is that like she
doesn't want to she doesn't want to replace humans. She
wants to use technology to help them so rather than
the great idea it is. And also like if you
remember in the first movie, the big moral was like

(19:29):
don't replace parents with like companion robots. You need to
be a parent like and she remembers she wanted Megan
to do everything so she didn't have to watch it.

Speaker 1 (19:38):
So refers my memory, she's a doll or she's a
companion Megan.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
Yeah, Megan was a well it was a companion robot,
but who went crazy with her mission of protecting Katie
and started killing people.

Speaker 1 (19:52):
It's yes, okay, So I remember like Christmas nineteen eighty
four or five, which is like forty years ago, forty
one years ago, I remember, but I asked for like
a robot in the movie they had like a like
a flashback to the Robots of.

Speaker 2 (20:06):
Nineteen eighty four.

Speaker 1 (20:07):
I was like, oh my gosh, I remember wanting that robot.
I mean, I'm sure does nothing.

Speaker 2 (20:11):
Yes, very different. It would like.

Speaker 1 (20:12):
Roll roll, like the kick downstairs.

Speaker 3 (20:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (20:15):
Yeah. But like, so what I thought was clever about
this is that Gemma, having gone through what she went through,
obviously she would have that reaction. She was very like
anti AI, anti technology. She was so worried about that.
And Jema, Katie, her niece, who's now twelve, like a preteen.
She all of the people at her school like don't
like Gemma because she's the one who advocates for like

(20:37):
taking their phones away and limiting screen time. And it's
like that parent that ruins things like that.

Speaker 1 (20:41):
Do you remember a time before cell phones?

Speaker 2 (20:43):
Of course, my whole childhood.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
Well of course, but I mean like like just didn't
like I was watching a TikTok. I know that's like what.

Speaker 2 (20:51):
We're talking about. You're like, look, I don't like to
get TikTok.

Speaker 1 (20:54):
And they were showing footage of nineteen ninety five of
people at a concert and they had like this pan
over the entire audience and like, no one had a
cell phone in nineteen ninety five watching the concert, So.

Speaker 2 (21:04):
It's like you had to experience it, you had to.

Speaker 1 (21:06):
Experience the concert. Like no one's like have you ever
ben do a concert? And everyone's like on their phone,
like they're like, I'm filming it. Don't get read that
at that.

Speaker 2 (21:13):
Don't get me started on that, because no, no, because
I am guilty of I'll take some pictures and I
may even take a little video of like a really
important moment, but a lot of the time I keep
my phone down because I want to experience it through
my fucking eyes. And yes, some people the whole time
are like phone, phone, phone, phone, phone, And I'm just like,
you're not going to go back and watch these videos,

(21:34):
and your friends aren't gonna watch them because they'd rather
be there, and so you're missing out on the live
experience of it, trust me, Like, I totally think that
people should experience things live and not be on.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
That's so curious if there'll be a day maybe at
the Hollywood Buil. They're like, no phone.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
I don't know if that would be really hard to
actually like, uh, because I'm a doctor.

Speaker 1 (21:56):
I you know, my patients are always.

Speaker 2 (21:58):
Calling like how do you make sure that happens? You know?
But anyway, so the thing with Katie now she's taking
a keto like I guess, just to for have like
some activity. And so she's a good fighter and she
loves Steve right like I thought.

Speaker 1 (22:13):
I was like, that's so interesting, like when she opened
her locker and there's a Steven sagal like what was
the above the law or something?

Speaker 2 (22:19):
Yeah, yeah, she was also fun. That's a nice like reference.
But she's also interested in computer science, just like her aunt.
But basically how they merge Megan into the story is
that the FBI like breaks into Gemma's house and tell
her about Amelia, and they think that Jemma because Amelia
is using Megan's old programming that Gemma had like sold
her program to like a foreign government, and they're like

(22:40):
this rogue robot is killing everyone involved in her programming,
so she's gonna come after you. And Jemma finds out
that Megan has been actually alive within her smart home
system this whole time, just like watching them and waiting them,
which is a little creepy.

Speaker 1 (22:56):
It is so creepy, And I actually thought the beginning
of the movie was like the best part, like just
showing like, oh, you know, they had a house that
was very computer focused, like it would open a drawer,
it would make eyes, it was doing all these little things,
and I thought, oh, that's.

Speaker 2 (23:09):
That's limited, like meaning it wasn't like everything was controlled
by technically.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
I thought that part was kind of a horror movie esque. Yeah,
like the house is like taking over.

Speaker 2 (23:18):
Well, what's how they first show it is that Megan
is able to she's in the smart home system, so
she's able to like push a drawer out or turn
something onto like knock the FBI agent.

Speaker 1 (23:28):
I turned to mount and I was like, that drawer
is going to come into play.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Yeah it did. Yeah. But the thing is is that
you know, Jema's talking to Megan through like the system,
and Megan is only on like screens and she's like
stuck in this, and she's like, but I can help
you get Amelia, because basically, if you don't, Emila's gonna
come after you. And Jem's like, fuck, no, I'm not
putting you in a body, and she's like, trust me,
like I've learned from my things. Remember this is AI

(23:51):
telling her I've learned from my mistake. Apparently the whole
point of this is just like if you've heard of
the idea of like machine learning. I know I'm getting
very technical, but like even AI can actually learn, like
when you talk to chat GPT, the more you talk
to it, it actually learns and remembers things. So what
Megan is trying to claim is that she only killed

(24:12):
those people because that's what she thought her mission was,
do anything to protect Katie. But she's now kind of
learning that's not how you conduct yourself in human life.
But Jemma doesn't trust her, so she puts her into
this little tiny robot because Megan wants a body. And
the first line out of Megan's mouth is what the
fuck is this? From the audio Big Left. The thing is,

(24:34):
when you hear Megan's voice say a funny line, especially
it says the F word, it's hilarious, I laughed, Yeah,
and they put her in this little body and they
basically go to this tech moguls party. Now, this tech
mogul is such a rip off. She didn't want to
go to that party, yes, but she was dressed, like,
to quote Katie, a Portuguese prostitute. And when I heard that,

(24:56):
all I thought was, what is a Portuguese prostitute?

Speaker 1 (25:00):
You think I know anything?

Speaker 2 (25:01):
And Katie it's a sex worker, and he should really
tell her. But it was so funny because there's a
part in the movie where Katie sees Jem all dressed
up and she does look fantastic. She does, and she says,
why you dressed like a Portuguese prost I like that?

Speaker 1 (25:14):
So the guy that like that had a conversation with
her earlier. He's got like this thing in his head.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Yes, So the tech Mogul, which is such a like
play on Elon Musk, he like controls everything tech wise,
and he even has a chip on his head where
he can like basically it's like your cell phone, your
laptop and everything worked into your head like you can
blink his eyes take a picture.

Speaker 1 (25:37):
I actually thought that was kind of clever. Did you
ever see the nineteen eighty film called The Apple.

Speaker 2 (25:42):
Is it based off of Apple the company? You know,
it's like, wait, Apple was eighty four. Ye.

Speaker 1 (25:46):
Yeah, So there's this movie called The Apple and they
put like these things on their head right here, and
it started the girl that was in Night of the
comment we interviewed.

Speaker 2 (25:53):
Catherine Mary Stewart.

Speaker 1 (25:54):
Yes, it starts her and like she's so young and
she sings, but I think her voice is dubbed. But anyway,
when they had the little thing on the side of
the head, it was like, oh, my gosh, it reminds
me of the nineteen eighty film The Imeer.

Speaker 2 (26:05):
Now that you say that, I remember that film being
mentioned because you brought it up in.

Speaker 1 (26:09):
Our Yeah, because it just it was like, oh wow,
this is kind of like both of these films, Megan
and The Apple are both kind of campy. Yeah, so
I was like, oh, it's interesting that they have these
things on the side.

Speaker 2 (26:19):
Of the head. I thought it was really funny that
they had this tech guy that like he even had
a British accent. It was very Elon Muskish, like he
has his company where he controls all this technology and stuff.
But Amelia is showing up because she wants to basically
murder him and get his access to like the cloud
system in all of the world.

Speaker 1 (26:39):
I thought that, Okay, so this is where the money
the money.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
This is money, this is what the money.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
This is the money shot. Yeah, this is where I
thought the movie stepped up. And I was like, Okay,
this is kind of fun because like Megan wasn't in
the movie.

Speaker 2 (26:50):
So we're dealing with Amelia now. The tech guy thinks
that she's just a girl and he's hitting on her.
And the best is when she like analyzed him, it
says like what is he into and it says like
young women, young limited intelligence.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Yeah, I was like that's creepy. But then like he
tears off his shirt because first off, he gets her
to a place where they're all alone and he's putting
the moves on her very heavily, and like so he
rips his shirt and like it's a fake.

Speaker 2 (27:14):
Body, right, it looked like a fake chest. I was like, okay, shirt,
I mean everything I think it was that was obviously
an exaggeration of like literally everything about him was not real.
Like he also was in a wheelchair, but he had
like a bionic spine, so he could walk and dance
and everything was technology.

Speaker 1 (27:31):
What was that thing in his back implanted in.

Speaker 2 (27:34):
His skin, yes, and connected to his spine. So that's
why when she pulls it out, it kills him.

Speaker 1 (27:40):
Did you see the nineteen ninety four film The Puppet Masters, Yeah,
pup Dinner.

Speaker 2 (27:45):
Remind me.

Speaker 1 (27:48):
No, no, no, not that one. The Puppet Masters was different.
Start Julie Warner from Doc Hollywood.

Speaker 2 (27:53):
I am wow, you were pulling out?

Speaker 1 (27:55):
Yeah it was. It was a sci fi film, but
it had like the same kind of concept where it
had like the thing on the back.

Speaker 2 (28:01):
I mean, the thing is is that. Look, I'm not
against like if bionic body parts can help people who
are paraplegic like stand up and dance or do things
like there before or before when before they had an
accident or something, that's great. I think in this movie, though,
they were trying to show that this guy, like his
whole life was technology everything.

Speaker 1 (28:21):
He had a thing here in his brain, and he
also had a thing on his back stuff. Like I
thought this whole aspect was kind of more interesting than that.

Speaker 2 (28:28):
Well, she ends up murdering him and stealing access to
like the whole cloud infrastructure and like just it's the
bit like it's they call it the biggest cyber attack,
like the world has ever.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Put that thing out of his back, and it was
really grows.

Speaker 2 (28:40):
Yeah yeah, and he's dead. But then but then she
wants to go after Gemma because she knows like Gemma
is the one who obviously had come up with the
Megan design and she doesn't want anyone who can stop
her to be alive. So when Jemma gets home, First off,
we had a scene where because Amelia is now and
of like all technology, she accesses their like exoskeleton suit

(29:05):
and has it go and strangle tests. And I got
nervous for a little bit, like this person we interview
is gonna die. They better not kill Jim Vans. But
luckily Katie throws water on and it goes like is
that good? But like it's like strangling. But then the
funniest thing happens because Gemma and Cole get home and

(29:28):
Megan the voice says that she has built a bunker
for them to be saved from Amelia, and they go
down like ten floors and Megan has built an entire
doomsday bunker for the okay, number one question, Okay, got it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
Didn't Megan do this?

Speaker 2 (29:43):
They asked her. They have one funny line where she
says like, I'm not gonna tell Katie about credit fraud,
meaning like she order all this stuff because they're like,
there's food, there's vegetables, there's a whole like, of course,
it doesn't make sense.

Speaker 1 (29:53):
No, no, no, what was Salomon Smalan thank you his daughter
directed the watchers? Yes, remember that plays out in the
middle of like nowhere.

Speaker 2 (30:04):
And then they had the room that was like, yeah,
but that took like months of people building it. Not
a robot that doesn't even really have oh, and they.

Speaker 1 (30:12):
Do because it was tired because I didn't have hand.

Speaker 2 (30:14):
Yes, So they find out that actually Megan has been
able to concoct like a sort of a body, and
it's this really gross looking old robot with like hands
like Beeboob's actually very cute. It was funny, but anyway,
so she reveals herself to Katie. There's a whole thing
with like They're like, well, we can't just stay here,

(30:34):
but at the same time, do we trust Megan? And
then finally Megan convinces them you got to give me
a body. I'm your only chance to fight them and
there's a good scene where and I did like this.
Jemma doesn't want to do it, but Tess and Cole
and if you remember, they're very much there her sidekicks.
But they finally say, you know, Gemma, not everything is
just your decision. We are a team, and they both
say they want to rebuild Megan and so she has

(30:56):
to go with it. And I liked that because I
was like, yeah, Jemma, it's not all about you.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
Right, I've had that conversation with you.

Speaker 2 (31:04):
I'm not like that. And first off, like and when
Tim and I, if we disagree on something, then we'll
just go to Jacob in Paris so we can get
and it's always.

Speaker 1 (31:11):
Democracy by Paris. He means we fly to Paris.

Speaker 2 (31:14):
We fly to Paris, and we're like hey everybody, Hey,
Iffel Tower. No, we go to our other people. But anyway, yes,
if more than if the majority rules, there's no Gemma
in our group. But in this movie, Gemma thinks, you know,
she knows everything, and they do kind of have this
relationship with her where they're like, Okay, you're doing all
these things that depending on you wrote a book and
we're not part of that.

Speaker 1 (31:34):
Her intentions are good. She's trying to keep everyone safe,
and like they're like, I can't remember, did Cole and
Tess want to make Meghan?

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Yes, they're the ones that voted for her. Yeah, yes,
so they outvoted her. I was like, yeah. So they
have a whole montage where they're like, if we're gonna
make Megan, we're gonna make her even better than ever.
And it's like she's like an amazing fighter. She has like,
you know, upgraded you know, just skills and everything. And
then we get her in her normal outfit for just

(32:03):
a few minutes.

Speaker 1 (32:04):
Yes, and I wanted more. I know, here's the best
scene in the film that well, right before the AI convention,
she's sitting down with Gemma and they have like this
heart to heart.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Oh that's a little later, yeah, because that's after after
Katie gets some kidnapping. But but pause on that because
we're almost there. They go to this AI convention, which
I thought was really funny because I.

Speaker 1 (32:26):
Was surprised how many people actually got killed was the
movie PG? Thirteen.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Yes, it was pretty bloody. There was a lot of death.
But did you notice that every time like like a
weapon hits someone that the camera cut away really quickly.

Speaker 1 (32:41):
It was very I thought the cop that was very
like intricate to the plot getting killed at this point.
I was surprised where he.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
Didn't get killed though, remember he survived yet he got impaled,
but I don't think you could survive that. I don't
think so. Yeah, So they go to this convention and
the thing is is that Megan is going to like
infiltrate just because they're like, well, of course Amelia is
gonna show up because apparently, and this is where things
get a little convoluted. Apparently Amelia, Amelia wants to find

(33:10):
this motherboard AI thing that has existed since the eighties
that has been like uh protected, and they don't know
where it is, and she wants to find it. And
the only person knows where it is is Gemma's boyfriend, Christian,
who is the most annoying.

Speaker 1 (33:26):
Was it established that that was her boyfriend.

Speaker 2 (33:27):
They said either dating or something, but I didn't see
any romantic sparks between him. And also he was the
most annoying character in this movie.

Speaker 1 (33:35):
I thought he was good to look at, but he was.

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Just like he just was so passive, aggressive and everything
I said, cocky, pretentious. I hated him. I was I
hated him anyways, So they goes convention and Megan is like,
Megan has to kidnap or sorry, put a sedative into
one of these like dance group girls. So because remember
if Megan dressed as Megan goes in at his convention,

(34:01):
everyone knows what the killer robot from two years ago
looks like, so she has to dress like that. So
that's why Tim didn't get her in that out.

Speaker 1 (34:07):
Well, well I thought we were because they were doing
Megan all over her universe.

Speaker 2 (34:11):
I did understand though, like if Megan comes in her
normal off, but they'd be like, it's like when you
see Michael Myers in his mask, you know it's Michael Myers,
Like you can't get around that. So she is going undercover.
And then this is when they have the dance scene
because she's on stage with.

Speaker 1 (34:24):
That lets her head spin around, never like what.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
It's really funny. That is funny because she's like doing
like a robot danceing this and she's like into it
and they're like Megan, hello, come on, let's.

Speaker 3 (34:34):
Go, and Jesus spins around. It's like because they thought
she's a human. The other dancers were human and.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
When Jesus went around that was funny to look like
do that reaction what.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
So.

Speaker 2 (34:50):
And then they have a big fight scene with Amelia.
Amelia comes in guns gun there, she like kills all
these Chinese ambassadors. She almost kills Christian, almost kills Jemma,
fights with Megan, and then she's able to kidnap Katie
and you know that's like the big Not only is
that Megan's primary objective to protect her, but she's Jemma's niece,

(35:12):
so that causes a lot of like issues. And that's
when they go back to the Bunger and they have
a heart to heart this scene. Okay, so this is
a great scene. She sings this.

Speaker 1 (35:20):
Woman's work by Kate Bush, which is which is in
the nineteen eighty six film. She's having a baby Magan.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Megan said, because like they're having a heart to heart
and they're they're actually bonding because Jemma is telling her
that like she hasn't done enough to protect her, she
hasn't been a good parent.

Speaker 1 (35:37):
I'm actually surprised this scene went on as long as
it did.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
I loved it because Megan, this is the first time
Megan isn't being sassy, and you notice she never has
a very nice relationship with Gemma, so she actually says,
you know, actually, remember I was watching for these years.
You always read to her at night. You were searching
stuff on how to be a better parent of all
the stuff that you did. And then out of nowhere,
Megan breaks out in song just like she did in

(36:02):
the first movie, and it's so fucking hilarious. Like that
part I was.

Speaker 1 (36:06):
I was actually, I mean, I was laughing, but the
whole theater was like laughing.

Speaker 2 (36:09):
Like it was the greatest thing I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Yeah, I was like, I mean, I was like, it's funny.

Speaker 2 (36:13):
I just thought it was really funny because she just
like the first notes are like, oh, oh no, I
didn't even know. My friends tell me afterwards that it
was a Kate Bush song. I thought. Megan was like, improfit.

Speaker 1 (36:28):
No, no, That's why I was like, oh, well, they're
really taking this old, forty year old song.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Do you remember in the first one she's saying bulletproof
and again, So I'm glad they brought back some of
these campy moments because the plot was so convoluted at the.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Time, Like I thought the whole film was gonna be
this kind of scene. Like I was like, seen after
scene after scene, but they were like they were they
were talking so much plot. I was like, okay, but
you have to remember this is about a killer doll
that does cute dances.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
I don't know. Well, no, this is what I would
say to that, because what I would say is that
I see both sides in terms of where I agree
with you. It's that I, as you know, am all
about simplicity when it comes to movies. When you expand
on things too much and overcomplicate things, you lose the
essence of what made a horror movie great. And I

(37:16):
think they did a little bit of that and megan
two point zero. With that said, dealing with an issue
like AI which has become so front and center nowadays,
you just can't ignore it. Like it is moving forward
whether we like it or not.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Did you I mention being in college right now and
writing a paper.

Speaker 2 (37:30):
No, But like what I was gonna say is that
With that said, it's like they wanted to make a
statement with this movie and not just keep it like,
you know, dumb and kooky, because they already had that
in the first movie. So I think they wanted this
movie to have more of a point of view.

Speaker 1 (37:46):
I also thought the first film though, like it had
a body count, and it was like, you know, is
Megan doing it? Is Megan not doing it? Is she
killing the neighbor? Is she killing the dog? Like that
whole aspect.

Speaker 2 (37:56):
Is just well yeah, because it's just like ben Chucky
Part two, Part one. You can be like, is it
the doll? But once the doll has already you've already
showed himself, like, you can't then go back, you know
what I mean?

Speaker 1 (38:06):
So I just I guess I'm one of those people
that I just want the same thing over and over.

Speaker 2 (38:09):
No, and she usually I am like that, I trust me.
That was my first thought, especially the first time I
saw it. I was like, what happened to the horror aspects?
This felt like a total sci fi mission impossible movie,
and I was like, where was the simple plot? It's
just to killer Robot. But then I was like, well,
AI is such a complex issue. If they want to
make a smart movie about it, they can't just be

(38:30):
like low hanging fruit about it, like they had to
do more with it and getting into as we move
forward in the plot, they're gonna go they they think
Amelia is take. Amelia's taking Katie to like the corporation
that is hiding this eighties motherboard of AI because she
wants to like merge with it and like see all
AI and become like a god basically. And they're gonna

(38:51):
go in and Megan is gonna infiltrate it and fight Amelia.
That's what they're building up to. Well, the movie takes
like a hard curve because we find out Christian, the
guy who we thought on their side, is actually a
bad guy and he well, he first shoots tests with
like a laser gun or whatever. And I thought she
was dead.

Speaker 1 (39:10):
I was not expected. And you know, because we've interviewed her,
I felt partial to her me too, and person they
and they blasted her away and she's out for the
rest of the movie.

Speaker 2 (39:20):
Now she isn't dead, thankfully, but like, uh, she's incapacitated.
But he basically reveals to Jemma this is the big twist.
Amelia is actually not self aware. She's been controlled by
him the whole time, and the reason he had her
killing everyone like she was self aware is to make
a point that AI should be erased from all fastests
of life and Jemma's like, so.

Speaker 3 (39:41):
You murdered all these people to make your point? Are
you insane? They were volunteers, yeah, and like all these
people have died because of it. And he is like,
but jem I want you to work with us, and
she's like basically fuck no, and he's like, okay, well,
I'm gonna put a chip in your head.

Speaker 1 (39:55):
Yeah, and they have like this close up of a
drill and I was like, are they really gonna show
with that?

Speaker 2 (39:59):
They didn't show it, but they put a chip in
her head because he's like, I can control you. Right.

Speaker 1 (40:04):
This was a little confusing because like Megan could help Jemma. Yeah,
So I was like, okay, So there was kind of
she was knocked out, so like Megan had to like
take over her body.

Speaker 2 (40:14):
Yeah, there was a lot going on here because what
happened was he had incapacitated Megan, but megan existence was
still in the clouds. So when they put the chip
on Gemma, Megan could sneak in there and help Gemma
and literally like fight her body fit.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
That was really cool because Alison got to do something.

Speaker 2 (40:32):
They got it, they did, and we got a lot
of fight scenes where Allison's fighting off all of his men,
but it's really Megan taking control, and so she's kind
of doing stunts and there's a funny part where she
gets knocked out, but Megan can still ConTroll her. She's
wearing that exoskeleton that they made, and Megan's controlling the exoskeleton,
so she's like unconscious, but it's still fighting.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
And it was so cool and like this is gonna
sound like the most well not that child, I've been shallower,
But I thought Allison's hair looked so good. I mean,
like in every single.

Speaker 2 (41:02):
Williams Alison Williams girl is beautiful.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
That's what I'm like.

Speaker 2 (41:06):
I was like everything, like she's really pretty, like I thought.
I actually thought most of the cast members were really
we're good looking like I think they are. Do you
think Megan was the cutest. I mean, she's cute. She's
cute this bit, you know. So anyway, like the big
conclusion is that and this is where again it gets
even more confluente because Amelia, who you think is under

(41:28):
Christian's control, ends up becoming truly self aware because she
like reboots herself. It's almost like at the very end,
they're like, oh shit, we forgot that. Okay, we did
this big twist, but now we still have to have
a fight between Megan and Amelia. So okay, let's make
Amelia truly self aware, you know.

Speaker 1 (41:46):
Okay, Like I know I'm talking a lot about hair
exterior things, but I thought Amelia and Meghan's hairstyles were
almost very similar.

Speaker 2 (41:54):
Well, their hair's very Megan's hair, Like, Megan, you really
want Megan law really just what Megan long hair? That's
long hair, Megan. Well, basically, Amelia is blowing everyone away,
and they realize that Amelia is trying to get to
this motherboard and if she gets control of it, she's
gonna be able to control like all facets of technology

(42:15):
in the whole world, Like she'll be all powerful, like
a god. And so what The big part where Megan
really shows that she is an evolved AI robot is
that they want to just escape with her, and She's like, no,
I have to stop her from doing this. You have
to take us both out. Jemma had developed this like
kill switch in Megan where it would just elect Yeah,

(42:38):
it would just electrify everything within like three hundred feet.
So Megan's like, like, I'll get up closer and then
you have to push this and they're like no, no,
but you know you'll be dead.

Speaker 1 (42:48):
And she's so glad that the story got to that point. Yes,
this is very symbolical.

Speaker 2 (42:53):
It is, and it was very Terminator too, when he
has to self destruct and they don't want him to,
she says, and even a case he says, you don't
have to do this, and the big line, Megan turns
her and says, I don't have to, but it's the
right thing to do. And I almost feel a little choked.
I'm saying that because this is a robot AI that
finally has learned enough to realize what is right. And

(43:14):
that's a big message.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
You absolutely, And like Arnders towards Singer and Edward Furlong,
they had their little moment and he goes, no, I
demand you, I demand you.

Speaker 2 (43:21):
I can't do it.

Speaker 3 (43:22):
No, I come, I command you, I demand you, I
command you.

Speaker 1 (43:26):
You know this is not from there. Two we're talking
about Meghan two.

Speaker 2 (43:29):
I know, well, but it just I think the reason
that was such a nice moment is because it shows that, yes, Megan,
And a lot of times during the movie when Jema's
angry at or she just says You're just a program.
You don't have empathy, you don't have this. But what
I think we don't realize is that like AI can
be anything we want it to be, like I love

(43:50):
my phone. Well, but the thing is is that so
we can either, you know, we can either be completely
against it like Christianne was and do drastic methods to
show that it's not or we can try to help
it learn to be a good partner with us, so
that if machines do become self aware, they won't turn
on humans and kill us, you know, like let's be

(44:10):
friends with AI.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
You're a whole movie about that, called With the Intelligence
with Will.

Speaker 2 (44:17):
Smith, but there's a million movies about this topic. Yeah,
But the reason why I thought, and so basically she
does the kill switch. It knocks out Megan, and it
knocks out Amelia, and all of that is good, but
then they switch at the very end, and I thought,
what was really nice is that Gem's making a speech
to Congress, and whereas at the beginning of the movie
she's very anti AI and all things, she's now at

(44:38):
the end she's basically like, you know, look, we need
to evolve with AI. We need to teach it to
basically be our friend and rather than controlling it, we
can like evolve with it, and you know, and we
can we can coexist kind of thing. And at the
very end, you know, they're in their house and stuff
and she's trying to write something, and then and like

(45:00):
little Megan shows like well first like a paper clip,
almost like that old Microsoft work paper, and it's like saying,
do you want this? Do you want to do this?
And then it starts talking more like Megan, and it
says oh, and it switches into a little Megan icon
and says, you'd think I didn't make a backup of myself.
And so Megan still exists in their like cloud system.
The lights blink and the lights blink like Megan's still

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around and she can help them, and it's almost like,
you know, she's not gonna have this body anymore until
the next movie, the.

Speaker 1 (45:28):
Nineteen ninety three film Ghost in the Machine.

Speaker 2 (45:30):
Yes, but she will be but a nicer than the
Ghost in the Machine. So yeah. So I mean, look,
if you haven't seen the movie and you heard this
big synopsis and you're confused, it just basically just did
like a Ted talk on ai. I mean, no, I
know very little. The truth is, Jacob actually knows a
ton more about AI than I do, and he's actually
helped me realize that. And this is true that I

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used to be very, very afraid and very much like, no,
I don't want a you know, machine doing this for me,
like I'm a writer for a living. I don't want this.
But the thing is is that there is a first off.
And what Jacob has told me is and we all learned,
is that AI is moving forward whether we like it
or not. So we can either be completely against it
or we can try to work with it so that
if any craziness ever happens, it won't kill us all

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and it won't be terminator.

Speaker 1 (46:18):
You know, how would it kill us?

Speaker 2 (46:20):
Well, if it becomes self aware and literally can control computers,
it could launch missiles and launch attacks.

Speaker 1 (46:26):
What about those self driving cars?

Speaker 2 (46:28):
I mean, yeah, it could be, Yeah, it could be.
It could do it. But the whole point of this
movie is like, if someone like Megan, who misunderstood her
programming the first movie can learn to do the right thing,
maybe AI can. In general. We just have to stop
controlling it and acting like it's like our slaves, you
know what I mean?

Speaker 1 (46:46):
Yeah, and if Megan taught a dance class, would.

Speaker 2 (46:49):
You go now if she's doing dancers in the first
one or the second one, the above as long as
I learned to turn my head around all the way around.
So that's the thing. So like all and all, what
were your like and you can be honest, like what
were your thoughts on this movie and how would you
rate it as compared to Megan one.

Speaker 1 (47:06):
It's almost like if we're comparing it like Child's Play,
the original is like very like, ooh, is something moving?
What's happening? And that's kind of like Megan, like, oh,
something's kind of taking over. So and so, of course
in sequels you have to try something different. But I
think there was some confusion, which just the way it
was promoted to me. I really thought we were going
to see lots of dance numbers in gay Talk.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah totally.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
I mean, like, which I've been saying throughout this entire podcast, Right,
so you know, we didn't get that. We got a
little We got like ten percent out of one hundred,
which is fine, but I still was one hundred percent
entertained by what was given to me. But it was
not I guess what I bought a ticket for But
I'm not upset. I'm like, oh, okay, this was just

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something different. But the ending a little bit got like
a little too heady for me. So I was still
totally entertained, and I guess I would see it again.

Speaker 2 (47:58):
I think all of what you said is completely valid.
And again, like I said, I even agree with what
you said because I truly believe that this movie purposely
marketed a certain way. Oh I know what I was
thinking of when I said a movie that marketed a
certain way and then totally did a one eighty Halloween ends.
The whole marketing was the final conversation Lori straight and Michael.
You think movie and that's the last ten minutes and

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it's all about Corey Cunningham. But they knew what they
were doing, because if they were like a new boy
in town is gonna learn with Michael, people be like
fuck no. So I think if they had marketed this
movie as it truly was, people wouldn't have been as interested.
So yes, it was a little bit of a bait
and switch. But if you look at some of the
most classic sci fi movies that have sequels that are great,

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Terminator and Alien, Oh.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Another one like look at Halloween two nineteen eighty one. Yeah, yeah,
and then they look at Halloween three season of the Witch.
That's a complete one eighties. Yeah, But I mean, I
don't know, it's just the same as Meganet's ai.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
But did the trailers for Halloween three ever make it
sound like Michael was back? No?

Speaker 1 (49:00):
I mean, if you remember the trailers, it was like
a witch and it had like a transla in the mouth,
which there were no no trails.

Speaker 2 (49:06):
Well, so what I was saying about the Terminator and
Alien two movies that the first installment was much simpler
and a lot more horror suspense based, and then you
get to the sequel Terminator two and Aliens and it's
a full on sci fi action movie, like with tons
of fights and deaths. So if you look at Megan

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as compared to those, it makes sense that the first
Megan was a little bit more horror, a little bit simpler,
and Megan two point zero is like a full on
sci fi action flick. So again, I just think that
I've said, I've read some critics really bashing Megan two
point zero, and I just think that they are being
too harsh on it, and I think that in the future,
people may look back on this movie with more appreciation

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for the message than people are giving it now. With
that said, I understand all of your concerns and I
felt that way too. It did lose a lot of
the horror elements, and I I'd say the third act
was really convoluted, especially when they brought Amelia back after
Christian was the villain and then we were like fighting
him and fighting her and Testc got blown away.

Speaker 1 (50:10):
I think that's why. I mean, I think this movie
will hold up throughout the years because it's kind of
like a time capsule of where we are right now.

Speaker 2 (50:17):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (50:17):
Yeah, so like in twenty years I remember only like,
what's this Megan two point Oh yeah?

Speaker 2 (50:21):
I mean, like we all have Megans like at that point.
A mean, damn, you'll have a Timmy.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
I love it, Tim.

Speaker 2 (50:28):
But you know what I'm thinking though, is are there
going to be more sequels? Because well, I feel bad
because the movie opening weekend did not make It only
made ten million, whereas the first movie made thirty million.
Now that doesn't look good for studios. So I'm worried, like,
is this the end of Megan? Are they going to
try to go back to making it simple again. What

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do you think.

Speaker 1 (50:50):
Didn't you learn anything from Halloween?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (50:52):
Evil never die?

Speaker 2 (50:55):
Good one good one? Yes, I mean it definitely doesn't die. God,
it just changes shape. Story said in her novel.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
Sometimes you have short hairs, sometimes you have long hair.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
Sometimes you look like Benjamin Franklin. Oh my god. No,
But I mean I hope there is more, Megan. I
would love to see tests our lovely Jen Van Apps
in another movie with Gemma and Katie. Maybe as Katie
becomes an adult, there's a whole new thing.

Speaker 1 (51:20):
But maybe Cole comes out of the closet.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
Yeah, oh yo is he gay? And no no in
real life. Yeah. I'm just wondering, though, are they going
to like would this director be like, Well, if you
didn't like my take on part two, I'm not coming
back for part three. Maybe they do a reef air.

Speaker 1 (51:37):
Some guys do what they want, they do.

Speaker 2 (51:38):
Yeah, it's just that I'm worried that because of the
reviews not being as good in and not making as
much money, maybe they won't.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
But well, the one thing about horror films is that
if we went on by reviews, horror films would never.

Speaker 2 (51:48):
Get Of course, totally. And that's a good point. Yeah,
you know. I will say this for listeners if you've
seen it once, Like Tim, I actually think it's worth
seeing again because I did not grasp everything I said
in this episode the first viewing. It took two viewings
to truly understand everything because I was really listening intently
the second time, because I realized after the first viewing,

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I was like, I didn't quite understand everything that was
going on. So I highly suggest seeing it a second
time because not only is it a fun movie, but
I think you will really grasp a lot more of
the talky, heady stuff that I mentioned more of the
second time. I agree, Yeah maybe, And I also just
like the first WAG and I would love to see

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an unrated cut. This is PG thirteen And I'm not
saying I just need to see so much blood, but
they cut away so much from all the like attacks.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
It was a couple of times like when the when
the cop got the spear through his chest, I was like,
oh is this rated R? For like a hot second.

Speaker 2 (52:46):
And she does make it says fuck twice. I can't
remember the second one. Yeah, yeah, but but I would
love to thirteen.

Speaker 1 (52:51):
You're only allowed one f work.

Speaker 2 (52:53):
Yeah, oh wait one, I thought you'd get two.

Speaker 1 (52:55):
I think it's one. Well maybe created, maybe maybe I
took over.

Speaker 2 (53:00):
Maybe it's a PG two point oh two point oh.
Yeah anyway, So, yes, so I would say see it
again unless you really really hated it, then obviously don't
see it again. I want to get the unrated cut.
I'd like to see stuff I'm interested in, like the
things that may have been cut, like that scene with
the guy dressed.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Where is that? Where is that scene?

Speaker 3 (53:19):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (53:19):
Exactly anyway, but so, yeah, that's Megan two point oh Tim.
What would Tim two point oh be?

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Uh me doing cartwheels?

Speaker 2 (53:27):
And uh Matt two point oh would be me backflips?
Me with a fully brown beard, no gray, no gray,
no gra Actually I'd like to do backflips too. Yeah, okay, okay, anyway,
thanks everyone for watching, Bye.

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