Ep 266: Hooked on a Scream (w/Ryan Showers, host of Scream w/Ryan C. Showers podcast)

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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, welcome to Happy Hord Time. My name is Tim.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
Murdoch and my name is Matt Emmert. And hey, Tim,
I know what you did last summer? What hung around
and like drank and went to West Hollywood? The usual?

Speaker 1 (00:25):
True?

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Yeah, anyway, this is our review of the new I
know what you did last summer, and we are so
grateful to have a guest with us to break this down.
He is the host of the Scream with Ryan Sea
Showers podcast, So please welcome to Happy Horror Time. Ryan
Sea Showers.

Speaker 3 (00:46):
Oh my god, Ryan sees the showers?

Speaker 2 (00:48):
How are you guys?

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Ryan?

Speaker 2 (00:50):
Hey, Ryan, when you're outside and it's raining and you
look through the window, does Ryan Sea showers? That is
joke I've ever heard? Is hey better datus than baddest? Okay,
I'll take it, so Ryan, thank you for being here. Now. Ryan,
you've been doing your podcast for how long?

Speaker 3 (01:07):
Five years? I'm on season five?

Speaker 2 (01:09):
Oh my god. I love that you have seeds. Tim
and I we don't have seasons because it never ends.
We just wait. Do you take breaks like between your seasons? No?

Speaker 3 (01:19):
I like so it's just it's more so for me
and no, it's just a dorky thing, just because I
am obsessed with like TV, growing up with Buffy and like,
you know, thinking about a season in terms of the
goals and like the ambitions and like the themes. So
I can try to do that with my show. And
it's just fun to say, you know, I'm on season five.
It makes me sound smart and prestigious, so.

Speaker 2 (01:36):
I love it. Well, Okay, for listeners who have possibly
caught us on Ryan's show, we did an episode Jacob,
Tim and myself earlier where we went on Ryan's show.
There's another episode coming up where I'm making another appearance
on the show. So we have definitely been on Ryan's podcast,
but this is his first appearance on ours. But before
we even get into like our connection, tell our listeners

(01:59):
about Scream with Ryan Sea Showers, like how it started,
What got you so into the Scream series? All that sure?

Speaker 3 (02:06):
So well, And just for the record, if you are
a listener of Matt and Tim and you haven't heard
them on my show, their first episode was two two two.
I love that. It's just like a you know, an
instinct number, like that's the episode two to two. It's
very fun. And Jacob has been on a bunch of course,
but Matt your episode. We're doing an episode about Scream
and Halloween. It's coming up probably like the first or

(02:26):
second week of August. It's coming out.

Speaker 2 (02:27):
I can't wait. And we had the best time. So
it's a great one.

Speaker 3 (02:30):
We did so I uh So my podcast, I like
to describe it as the film critic meets the Scream fan.
So basically, I am a massive fan of Scream. I
love it so much. It's been a part of my
life for so long, and I know it so in
depthly and I but I also come from the film
critic world. I was a film critic at Next Best
Picture and a Words Daily for you know, a good

(02:51):
ten years before I started my own podcast. And I
think what happened was it was during the pandemic and
we were building up to Scream five and Scream five
being filmed. The fandom was really coming alive again, you know,
and the Facebook groups and online you know, on Twitter
and everything, and it was just like things were alive,
and I was falling in love with Scream again. And
we were all home, so I was watching Scream a lot,

(03:14):
and like, there have been conversations I've had in my
head and ideas I've had in my head about Scream,
you know, since I was, you know, twelve years old,
so I kind of just like there was one day
I was writing this big, long post on social media
describing Roman's motive as it relates to Sydney and how
how much deeper it is than we all realize, and
I thought to myself, I just wrote out this eight

(03:34):
hundred words, like why not do a podcast about this?
Because I was doing podcasts for the Oscars and like
the Oscar movies at that time, and it was just
fun to think about, like, you know, all the training
I had from those years at Next Best Picture translating
that to my own show, and it has been a blast.
I mean, honestly, I know this sounds cheesy, but like

(03:56):
I really am just like obsessed with the work. I mean,
I have two shows that come out every week, and
I have just like a dying passion to analyze and
to be creative using Scream and the Scream surrounding culture
is just my favorite thing in the world. And you know,
my podcast caught on pretty quickly. The first year I

(04:16):
had Mariann Madalena on the show, I had Radio Silence
on the show. I had the writers on the show
of the five and six, and you know, the Scream
has gone very ups and downs since we've started out,
since before Scream five. It's it's even hard to imagine
a time before Scream five at this point. But like,
you know, that's just that's just how long the podcast
has been going on. So it's it's been a very

(04:38):
fun journey. It's been also challenging at times, just based
off of how challenging the Scream culture became at certain points.
But I am so excited. I feel like the best
days of my show are ahead of us as an
original trilogy person. I'm excited that Nev Campbell is back.
I'm excited that Kevin Williamson is directing and in charge
of the franchise hopefully going forward. And I'm happy that

(05:01):
hopefully Gail has a real there's a there's a recommitment
to her character. So even though I've been doing this
for five years, I plan I do not plan on
stopping for you know ever, So.

Speaker 2 (05:14):
No, that's great, and I mean, like we are, we're
we really admire how like for us, since we cover
all things hard like, it's very easy to you know,
always have something new to talk about whether it's you know,
we review new releases and we interview people from past
movies and we are bonus episodes on Patreon or like
past franchise and things like that, and it just feels

(05:36):
like there's so much threat to to grab from with Scream.
You know, there's a finite amount of material, but you've
been able to have different sorts of conversations about so
many like intricate details of the series, which like, if
you are a Scream fan, you need to listen to
his podcast. Yeah, Ryan really goes in depth into so
many great topics. You know, you're really you're you're a

(05:57):
great communicator, like you know what you're talking about, and
you have really smart opinions on the movies. So yeah,
and I and you know, speaking of you mentioned Kevin Williamson.
That is kind of the tie in for why we
wanted Ryan on our on our show. I mean, obviously
we could wait until Scream seven comes out and review
that with him, and we probably will, but we didn't
want to wait any longer. And I know what you

(06:18):
did last summer. Obviously, the original movie was written by
Kevin Williamson during that whole post Scream era, so we
figured this is a great kind of Kevin Williamson Screamish
tie to have you come on and talk about the
new movie with us. Now, I want to know, when
did you first hear about our show?

Speaker 3 (06:35):
Oh my god, So I guess it was. I mean,
I'm we're gonna be talking about the new I know
what she did last summer. And as I've kind of
been like doing with my own show and other people's shows,
I view Jennifer Caitlyn Robinson as a very online person
and it shows in her film. I also happened to
be a very online person. So I mean, I've known

(06:56):
about you guys for a while. I think we've followed
each other on Twitter and online for a couple of years.
And I really became more interested in your show, of
course with your Kevin Williamson interview. But Jacob and I
producer Jacob He and I became friends around the time
that Nev Campbell was announced as returning for Scream seven,

(07:16):
and We've had a really hard and fast friendship and
from there and I've kind of gotten to discover your show,
and I've loved so many episodes, like the Julie Ben's
episode is a huge thing for me, I'm a huge
Buffy person, and yeah, I mean I've As I say
in episode two to two, it's not often I don't
have the juices in my head right now. But go
listen to episode two two two if you want to
hear my review of Happy Horror Time on scrim Aarancy Showers.

Speaker 2 (07:40):
I do love that it's episode two two two, so
that it to seven. I was open it was six
six six, his favorite. No, Tim, you're fair numbers thirteen
right literally, of course, of course, of course. Okay, So
diving into the material well before we even get into
the new movie, because there's tons to say, and I
can't wait to hear everyone's opinions because I definitely had

(08:00):
opinions on it. But I did want to go back
and see when everyone first saw I know what you
did last summer, and like what your thoughts were then?
Starting with Tim, Tim, what do you remember when you
first saw it?

Speaker 1 (08:11):
I saw it two times, like back to back. My
friend Leslie, she invited me down to the OSU campus.
They were showing it for like students at the college.
Of course I wasn't a college student, but she's like,
is this Ohio State? They had like the screening for it,
and afterwards they were going to talk like via what's
that like?

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Well back then it would have been like it was trackype.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Guy for nothing. But so I remember I was chewing
gum in the part where the hook like swiped at
Sera Michelle Geller, She's going up the elevator, my gum.
I was genuinely I jumped, I like there was a good,
genuine jump scare. So remember that. And then the next
night I took my friend Lisa to the Westerbilt sixth

(08:54):
Cinema which no longer exists, and I saw it again
and it was a packed house, like it was like
sold out. So it was a really good time. So
I remember both of my time seeing it in the
theater like really good experiences.

Speaker 2 (09:09):
That's awesome. I my kind of experience was. So it
was the fall. I had just gone to college at
Boston University and moved from Southern California to Boston University,
and we email had just started, or at least that
was my first email dress and my best friend who
I'm still best friends with today, Josh knows I love
horror movies and knew I love screaming. He's like I
just saw the scariest horror movie. It's called I Know

(09:31):
What You Did Last Summer. It's based on some book,
and I had remembered the book and I was like, oh,
that's cool. So I ended up going and seeing it,
and I loved it. I mean it had all the
hot cast of that day with Jennifer Lovefewd and Sarah
Michelle Geller and Ryan Philippie and Freddie Prince Junior, and
I remember just really loving it to the point of
that next summer. When I went home to California for

(09:53):
the summer, my friends and I was like, in high
school and college used to make like parody movies. I'm
talking with a VHS camera, and we made a parody
of I Know What You Did Last Summer called I
Know What You Did Last Week? And it was just
like something happened one week later. I no, because it
is the quality is so bad. It's it is so
like my humor is so crude, and but we didn't

(10:15):
make fun like we did, made it like parodied so
many of the scenes in the movie. I was obsessed.
So then when I Still Know came out when I
came home for Thanksgiving break, like, I got all my
high school friends together and we went and saw it
in the theater. So that is my story. How about
you ran because I know you're a little bit younger than.

Speaker 3 (10:31):
Us, So I am, I'm I'm I have youth that
you guys have aged. That's fine. So it's him just
to just to confirm you. So you went to Ohio State.

Speaker 1 (10:40):
I dabbled, but like my friend Leslie was a full
blown like student. I just took a bunch of acting
classes and I to be in the productions, I had
to pose as a student.

Speaker 3 (10:51):
Well, so I don't know. You know, I'm from central
Pennsylvania near Penn State. I mean, Penn State is like
so intertwined with my life, you know, between my education
in my profession and Tim, I have to say, you know,
you can't spell cocksucker without OSU.

Speaker 2 (11:06):
So wow, Well you know what, Tim, you know it's
the shoe Bitt's getting out. Wow.

Speaker 3 (11:18):
All right, So I know what you did last summer.
It's kind of crazy for me because yes, I am younger.
So I was born in ninety five, and I know
what you did las summer and came out in ninety
seven of course, so.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
You saw it as a Toddler.

Speaker 3 (11:29):
Yeah, no, so I saw I saw I first saw Scream.
I saw the first three Scream movies like on DVD
and VHS in the mid two thousands, and I was
so obsessed with them. It was like love up first sight,
and I spent a lot of time with them and
then slowly started you know, dipping my toes into I know,
I know what you did last summer is the Halloween's
YadA YadA, And I just remember, like I may have

(11:50):
seen Scream around the Christmas time, and then like nine
months later, it was around August September, I saw, I
Know what she did last summer, and I still know
what you did las summer and just became like, you know,
I mean I love them as well, and I really
loved the first one compared to the second one, of course.
And I was also a Sarah Michell Geller fan, so
I mean, like, you know, I got to watch Buffy
for the first time at this time, So it was
like I got to live the entire late nineties culture

(12:12):
kind of within this year, in addition to checking out
the classics like Halloween, and it was just like I
have such nostalgic memories of that time it's just like
I wish I could go back and relive and kind
of document that time because I was just you know,
I love this. I love these things so much.

Speaker 2 (12:25):
I love hearing about people's experiences who were too young
to see it in the theater and how they caught
on to it, because it's like that's me with Halloween obviously,
like I wasn't even born when it came out, but
then so I had to see it on TV for
the first time, or even tim with Friday thirteenth, it's
like you were alive, but like obviously you were like
three years old.

Speaker 1 (12:43):
So it's always a bummer to me that I never
got to see Frida thirteen for three and three d.
I mean, I have made up for it since.

Speaker 2 (12:48):
Then, oh yeah, yeah. But that's the thing. So hearing
about how people that were born and attaching themselves to
movies that were out when they were too young to
even see them, it's it's refreshing because it makes you
think that, like, you don't only have had to see
these movies in the theater to appreciate them. Thoughts on it,
Like when you guy saw I still know, what were

(13:09):
your thoughts as compared to the original Tim Oh.

Speaker 1 (13:14):
Okay, So in nineteen ninety eight, I just remember, do
you remember the movie Clay Pigeons.

Speaker 2 (13:18):
I never saw it. I saw it.

Speaker 1 (13:20):
Because that and I remember my friends were like, let's
should we see Clay Pigeons or I Still Know? And
I was like, I still know, so I still know. Yeah,
So we went and saw it, and I remember just
being like it felt rushed to me, but I still
liked it because I remember getting the soundtrack so obviously,
but then again, we also didn't have TikTok and things

(13:41):
to like, you know, so.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Be everyone in the world opinion.

Speaker 1 (13:45):
Soundtrack are DVD or I'm sorry not dv C D
anything attached to the movie. I would get it and
buy it.

Speaker 2 (13:50):
So yeah, how about you Ryan when you saw I
still Know? So I saw it right after I know. So,
I mean like it was it was fun to watch
them back to back and have that full experience. And
I think I always knew that I Still Know was
inferior to I Know. I think that I know you
can see the Kevin Williamson dialogue and you can feel
the characterization and the plot, and I think Jim Gillepsi

(14:12):
is such a good director in the first one and
the way that that all of those elements were kind
of missing from the second one. But I still enjoyed
the second one for the Jennifer Love You and Freddie
Prince Junior of it all. So yeah, yeah, my kind
of thoughts were. I do remember when I first saw it,
but remember there was so much hype. I had literally
spent all summer with my high school friends doing this

(14:33):
dumb parody movie where I Know What You Did Last
Summer was everything of the summer, and then I waited
till the fall went to see it, and I just
remember being disappointed because it felt so different. I think
part of it was the setting being in the Bahamas,
like with in so much rain. Part of it was
there were a lot more unlikable characters, like I loved Brandy,

(14:53):
but I hated her love interest, all the islanders. I
was like give or take Jack Black especially, and I
just remember remember feeling like it felt it feels like
the seventies me and it just felt so different. With
that said, I have warmed up to the movie over
the last i'd say like five to seven years a
lot because of Jacob, he really likes I Still Know

(15:15):
What You Did? Last summer, and so we often not
just watched the first one, but watched the second one.
And the more I've watched them together, the more I
have liked I still know, although I do have to
say one thing. My sister was visiting recently, and you know,
we talk about some of the podcasts all the time
where we've been introducing my nephew, who's gonna be eleven soon,

(15:35):
like to all the horror stuff. He loves horror, and
he had already seen I Know what you did las summer,
but hadn't seen I still know what you deal with summer,
and like we're watching I Know what you did last summer? Great,
and then we put on I Still Know and like
all those like weird Seeds with Jack, Like my sister's like,
what the fuck is going on? And I remember thinking
that was totally my reaction the first time I saw,
like what the fuck.

Speaker 1 (15:54):
Is going didn't he take his name off of it
because he felt like it was not politically correct.

Speaker 2 (15:59):
He was just like such a stereotype and just a
one note comic relief character that like I often want,
like like I don't think Kevin Williamson if he had
written a sequel would have ever put that character in there,
you know, but I have warmed up to it. I
got to ask you, guys, have you seen I'll always
know what you did last summer?

Speaker 1 (16:18):
Sadly?

Speaker 2 (16:19):
Yeah? I mean it's so bad.

Speaker 1 (16:23):
I can't even really comment on it because hey, I
barely remember it, but I do remember feeling like a
cheap music video, and I just I couldn't get into
it to save my life.

Speaker 2 (16:35):
The Fisherman's supernatural, so it's not like anything related to
ben willis nothing related to the characters. It was straight
to streaming or DVD at that point that it was
just so bad, so bad.

Speaker 3 (16:47):
So I actually revisited it this last week. I had
only ever seen it the one time way back again
we're talking like two thousand and seven, okay, and it
was I was shocked. I mean, I think it's one
of the top ten worse movies I've ever seen, but this,
and but I was like, is it really that bad?
Could it really be that bad? It is that bad.
The camera work is so disgusting, Like I just I

(17:08):
can't even with this movie. Y.

Speaker 1 (17:10):
It sure is sad. It's a sad thing that they
even attached because they will always be associated with the
I always I mean, the titles kind of cute and clever,
and that's where it ends.

Speaker 2 (17:19):
But that's the thing though, But I'll always know you
would think would relate to the original storyline because if
it's totally new, what does the person always know it's
something new?

Speaker 3 (17:29):
Well, but it wasn't this like the time like before
like really Halloween, you know, in twenty eighteen, there wasn't
a lot of copycat of like the original name for sequels,
if that makes sense, So for you know, what would
they have done, you know, in terms of like you know,
I think that like the name made sense, but it's
just it's so disappointing. It's disappointing that Jennifer Love Hugh
and Fredy Prince Junior never got that third movie back

(17:51):
whenever the franchise was hot with them. I think that
there was almost something unfulfilled back then by not giving
them a third and final film.

Speaker 2 (17:59):
Totally and like even that was what aged nine years
after the original, but like they could have been a
married couple and someone could have been hunting them down.
I don't know, there's a million things they could have
done with it that they didn't do. Last question, before
we get into a new movie. How about the Amazon
TV series. I don't remember if you.

Speaker 1 (18:19):
I heard so much bad things about it. I didn't
even attempt it.

Speaker 2 (18:23):
How about you, Ryan, I watched this I was sick
one weekend when during law school. It was my first
year of law school, and I got really sick and
I binged it all and it wasn't terrible.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
It was watchable. But again, it's not it's so disconnected
from everything we know and love about I Know What
You Did last Summer. So it's you know, I feel
like I had the show come out on a different name,
under a different name or an ip, it wouldn't be
frowned upon. But it's just it's so disconnected from the boar.

Speaker 2 (18:51):
You know. It reminds me of During our Kevin Williamson interview,
we decided to start with I Know What You Did
Last Summer, just because we saved the Scream series for
the end, and you know, we were asking all about
making that movie, and then we asked him about the
sequel and how they actually had wanted him to be involved,
but he was so busy, like introducing Dawson's Creek and
Screamed too, and everything's that he couldn't do it. But
then he I asked him if he had seen the

(19:12):
Amazon TV series and he's like, no, what is it
worth watching? And I was like no, And I just
remember because so Jacob and I watched the whole thing,
and I was just very excited for it. And I
remember thinking at the beginning it had promise because there's
like these this twin aspect to it, and the accident
was like killing one of the twins and the other
twin poses as her, and I was like, that's interesting.

(19:35):
But then it just went off the rails and I
didn't feel like it even related to I Know what
you did last summer, Like, other than there was one
message that said I know what you did last summer,
it really felt totally different, very sexual, not that that's
a bad thing, but it was like, obviously they were
trying to put in as many sex scenes and drugs

(19:55):
and partying as much like they're like, ooh, we're Amazon,
we can appeal to the people. But it failed. The
killer reveal was awful, like it.

Speaker 1 (20:02):
Was just did they have a man in a slicker
and hook a?

Speaker 3 (20:07):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (20:08):
Yes, I'm gonna say that without giving anything away for
spoiling things. In case people want to revisit that series.
I don't recommend it, but it was just it was
a downer. It is definitely, like you said, watchable. It
is more watchable than I'll always Know What You Did
Last Summer. But that brings us to twenty twenty five
and finally getting the movie I think we had been

(20:29):
wanting to get forever because we have a return to
Julie James and Ray Bronson's world of Southport in this
I knew A knew I Know what you did last summer,
And it's funny because it's twenty eight years after the
original came out, so we've all gotten a chance to
see it. And well, I guess before we dive into

(20:50):
the plot, like well, you know what, no, maybe I
was gonna get like first reactions of it. But I'm
gonna save it that because I feel like, let's kind
of go through it and go through stuff, because there's
a lot of things that HM like, I just I
was kind of disappointed in this movie. I went into
this movie really excited. I was so excited to see

(21:12):
this movie, and before we went I remember seeing like
mixed reviews online from people and I'm like, I'm not
gonna let any of that affect me. I love this series.
I don't care what it is. I'm gonna love this movie.
And I didn't love it. I was very disappointed. I
thought they kind of made a mockery of things and
people weren't taking the event seriously and everything. I guess

(21:34):
then maybe I'll get like what your initial reaction like
when you first saw it, Ryan.

Speaker 3 (21:39):
Okay, Well, so it's funny because I was thinking about
like the fact that I was coming on happy horror time,
which is happy, right, You guys are always upbeaten fun
and like, I don't want to. I didn't want to
be the wet rag in terms of being disappointed in
the new movie, and sadly like the first. So I've
seen it twice. It gets better, it smooths out a
little bit on the second viewing, but it's overall I'm

(22:01):
a very big mixed bag. I think that the first
like forty five minutes are pretty good, and then after
that it just goes way off the rails and it
just becomes so so sloppy. There are just like direct,
directorial and screenwriting problems that are are with like you know,
with the narrative. It's just I just feel like there

(22:24):
was it's very choppy. I think the use of the
legacy wasn't It didn't deliver on what it was trying
to deliver. I feel like it was uneventful in some respects.
As it pertains to Julie James, I think that in
the finale needed to be a lot longer. There's just
a laundry list of notes that I have despite having

(22:47):
fun watching it, like it's hard because I you know,
it's it is again, it's a watchable movie. But shouldn't
we have our standards just a little bit higher than
that whenever you know there are such crimes being committed
in terms of cinema.

Speaker 2 (22:59):
And I also want to caveat this, and then I
want to get your initial thoughts, Tim, because I even
though I was disappointed, I still enjoyed watching it. Like
there was no point when I was like I'm gonna
walk out this movie or anything like that. So everything
I'm saying take with a grain of salt. Listeners in
terms of like, if I hated this movie, i'd be

(23:19):
honest about it, or I would have just like not
even wanted to stay for it, even though I don't
really not watch Walk Out of movies, but like, but
I mean so I still enjoyed it as I was
like wondering what the fuck's going on? Like everything feels
like a joke, Like these characters aren't even taking themselves seriously.
Like everything. For me, it was really the script that
was really poor, and I think it's because they were

(23:42):
really trying to make like what I would consider like
stereotypical gen Z type jokes among their their friends getting murdered,
and it just didn't lamb for me. But enough of me,
Tim your initial thoughts and you and I know you
enjoyed a little more. So it's totally fine.

Speaker 1 (23:56):
Like Ryan C. Showers, Like forty five minutes into it,
I was kind of like, oh wait, this movie is
not it's not up to par, like there was there
was a point well watching it, I was like, oh,
they're not doing what I wanted to do. But then again,
who am I You know what I'm saying, like.

Speaker 3 (24:12):
A horrible podcast? Yes to talk about it?

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Okay, Yeah, Like I just I wanted it to be
a certain way and when it didn't go my way,
like I feel like I'm a I'm not really a
controlling person. But it was just it really hit like
a a like a wall, and it got like it
got really stale. And I've said this a million times.
Being a huge fight thirteen fan I love and like,
I love when people get killed obviously, but like the
kills were so uninspired. I was like, Okay, you got

(24:39):
a man with a hook and there was no hook
in the head. I mean there was one in the neck,
but I was just like, you know, it's just not
like a big missed opportunity. But I was so happy
to see, like you said, all the legacy characters. And
you know, I didn't mind the hot new, young, attractive
cast overall. I thought they had some stuff to do,
but like the Chase scenes and the kills.

Speaker 2 (24:59):
Were lack thereof, you know. And speaking of the hot
new cast, I wanted to introduce the new friend dynamic
that we get. I want to introduce them everybody Chase
Sweet Wonders or that like or is it Chase Sue Wonders,
Chase Sue Wonders. I think Sue Sue Chase Sue Wonders. Okay,
we get like there's five friends. There's Ava played by
Chase Wu Wonders who's kind of, like we're already introduced

(25:21):
as more of the responsible kind of final girl archetype.
There's Danica, who's played by Madeline Klein, who's very much
the Helen Shivers of the movie, but like not as
smart as Helen Shivers. She's more of like the flighty,
fun best friend, you know, making jokes all that kind
of stuff. Then there's Danica's fiance at the beginning, Teddy,
who is like very much the angry jock type. He's

(25:43):
played by Tyreek Withers and I would you know, compare
it to like a Berry type of character in the
original Archetype, Yeah, exactly. And then they have Milo, the
sweet guy who's Ava's ex played but Jonah Howard King.
He's like the Ray kind of thing, and so there's
history between Ava and Milo. And then there's Stevie, who's
kind of the outsider. They all talk about how they

(26:03):
kind of dropped her as a friend because she had
like family issues and then had to go to rehab,
and of course that's exactly what you need your friends.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
Johnny Golwicki role really.

Speaker 2 (26:12):
Yeah, yeah, the outsider exactly, the Max role, and that's
play She's played by Sarah Pigeon. Now here's my issue
with these people. I didn't even Ava and Danicut. There
wasn't any of these characters that I really liked. And
I hate to say that, but it's like this whole movie,
I was just like, I just want to see Julian Ray.

(26:32):
And that's a problem because usually, like in the Scream reboots,
there were certain characters that I ended up really liking.
I ended up really liking Tara and liked seeing her on.
There are certain characters that I gravitated to her. But
in this I just didn't find any of these characters
as likable or dynamic as the original four from nineteen
ninety seven.

Speaker 3 (26:52):
I go ahead, there, you go ahead, tim oh Okay.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
So I thought Danicut looked like she had a Michelle
William's look, and I thought Ava was likable enough. I
thought she was like, you know, oh gosh, I'm afraid
I'm gonna get crucified for this. But I thought she
was like a good final girl, like I was. Really,
I thought she was pretty good.

Speaker 2 (27:12):
Wait, why are you gonna get crucified?

Speaker 1 (27:13):
Well, just because I mean, I don't know, I don't
I mean, do I compare her to Jamie Lee Curtison
in Sydney.

Speaker 2 (27:18):
I mean that that'll all crucify her for that.

Speaker 3 (27:20):
But let's just say, Okay, she's better than the girl
and Final Final Destination blood lines, Like I mean that
to me is a rock bottom final girl, so she's
better than that. But like, so I'm gonna shock everybody here.
I actually I actually kind of forgot about Julian Ray
watching the movie, Like I'm like, oh, yeah, they're kind
of a part of the movie too, and so I
don't It's not that the new characters were so great,

(27:42):
but I do think that the story was original, original
enough that I wasn't focused on, Okay, when are they
coming back? When are they coming back? Like I am
in Scream with Sidney and Gail and Dewey, and you know,
at this I say this as somebody who's kind of
been at war with the gen Z hype of Scream six,
you know, and just how Scream sticks, you know, how

(28:02):
insulting it was to get Weathers, and how they really
pushed her to the side and made her an act
to only cameo. I didn't mind the new characters in
terms of them driving the plot. Now, Danica, I'm sorry
I I've had it with her. I can't. I do
not like Madeline Kleine. I thought her performance was one note.
I can't with the baby talk, I can't with her

(28:25):
her the final scene with her and how she comes
back into the narrative at the end, that is literally
the worst thing I've ever seen in my life. And
I just went to scream, So.

Speaker 2 (28:35):
Wow, okay, and Madeline Kleine will be in our podcast
next week. Sorry, no, no, I mean, look, look, I
wasn't that angry at her. I just felt felt like
she kind of she was part of the entire They're
all joking about things and not taking anything seriously. Like

(28:55):
everything seemed to be a joke. Although at the beginning
in the first scene, like with that that dynamic leading
up to the accident, I guess there just weren't any
like I don't know, like you know how in the
beginning of I Know What You Did last Summer, you
really like Julie and even Helen, Like Helen seems like
a really dedicated best friend, and Julie is very ridalism to.

Speaker 1 (29:18):
The people like these these are like a broad stroke
stereotypes that like at first, I was like, oh, don't
get me wrong, I love a dim witted blonde like
but like it was, it was one note. Yeah, yeah,
it was just kind of one note. There was no
layers like Sarah michaelle Geller. Yes, some layers Helen.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
I'm just gonna say that Helen is not a dim
winded blonde like. That's the thing about Helen Shivers. I
felt like was a smart, you know, blonde who did
pageants and things and was probably missing, but she was
very smart, like she had a career path. She knew
what she gonna do. One other question for everyone, how
the fuck old were these people? Because I never understood
were they incalledgraated grab But I did catch a picture

(29:57):
that's twenty seventeen, class of twenty seventeen. Okay, so if
they're six years out of high school, they're like all
mid twenties, twenty five.

Speaker 3 (30:04):
I guess that's old.

Speaker 2 (30:06):
That's old. I that was not communicated, Well it wasn't.
But I kept wondering, Ava keeps coming back from something.
What is she coming back from? Where does she live? College?
Grad school, med school? Life? What? Like? Give me something?
I want to know what Ava's doing with their life? Nothing?

Speaker 3 (30:24):
Nothing say oh that this is terrible and like, see,
here's the thing, like you know, and like it's so
hard for me because like I haven't even it hasn't
even crossed my mind to think to even compare this
new cast to the original cast, because the original cast,
every single one of those four are perfectly cast. They
all feel like human beings. We love them, and like
this is not that. So I've I've almost just like

(30:45):
so grading you know these new characters on just the
Scream six criteria, because you're right in the same way
that like Scream six, those younger gen Z characters had
that similar jokey everything's a big joke kind of thing.
This is that on steroids. And you know some people have, oh,
what it's camp and I just don't. I don't see
it as camp. I just see it as like really
flat writing.

Speaker 1 (31:05):
Do you know what camp is? And I always struggle
with this. Camp is when you don't like this is
a perfect example. When they made Mommy DearS, they didn't
make it campy. It was played straight and like this
movie is two wink wink, nudge, nudge, let the audience
decide if it's camp exactly like like same with Megan.
They're like They're like, here's camp I was like, no, no, no, no,

(31:25):
let us decide, yeah, what campus it is.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
It was written to be campy, and when you write
it to be campy, it's not gonna land, at least
with certain people. Now moving forward to the accident, Okay,
so this was another disappointment for me because in the original,
and I'm sorry listeners to can keep comparing it to
the original, but it's in all fairness, it does have
the same title. So the whole movie.

Speaker 1 (31:48):
Is like like literally taking a architect, architect U taking
the blue prent. It's taking the blueprint, like literally like
and I don't mind that. I was like on board.
I was like, okay, well do the blueprint, the boot prints,
the booprint, take the blueprint, but make it like watchable

(32:09):
and like me like watch like these these characters that
they introduced us to well fort stuff. I thought Milo was.

Speaker 2 (32:15):
Very good looking. I mean, with those dimples, we're so cure.

Speaker 1 (32:18):
Those posting was amazing. And I know this is all
everything I'm about to say is super shallow. But let
me get out of the way everyone's dressed totally. I
love the way everyone is dressed. It's a young attractive cast.
So and I think Ray and Julie and we're all
spoiling it. Sarah, Michelle Geller and Brandy. Everyone looks so
great in this movie.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
But that's like table stakes. You know, these are all
good looking actors. It's like, hey, Hollywood movie, and it's
like it's almost like, hey, we made our cast look good. Well,
that's pretty easy.

Speaker 1 (32:46):
They're all okay, you got me in fifty percent.

Speaker 2 (32:48):
They're all hot. Okay, let's talk about the accident, because
why I was disappointed was in the original they hit someone.
They hit someone, and they moved a body and the
body still alive, and they did not try to help
the person. They did something morally wrong, all four of them.
Because here's the thing. Yes, Barry was the catalyst and

(33:09):
he was being stoopid and whatever, but they all agreed
Julie also to cover it up, move the body, and
then not help him when he was alive in the water.
That is bad. This group.

Speaker 1 (33:20):
Yeah, they literally physically put him in the water. Yeah,
together as a group.

Speaker 2 (33:23):
This group, they park on the side of the road
and you know, Teddy is drunk and whatever, and he
like is in the middle of the road and almost
get sits by a car and they're like, get out
of the road, get out of the road. He won't
get out of the road, and so a car's coming
and it swerves to not hit him and goes over
the railing. Now you could argue, yes, he was in
the road, in the road, but the car swerved. It

(33:44):
didn't need to swerve that much. So unfortunately it was
it really wasn't their fall. And they all go and
they try to pull the car from falling over the edge.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Trying to pull and not being him being able to
pull him up is why they're all guilty.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Nor if you try and I FA. So they can't
save the car from going over the edge. But then
they actually call the police. They don't even just leave
it there. The only big mistake they do is when
they're driving home, they were going to stop at the
police station, they decide not to and not tell anyone.
But like in the grand scheme of things, I didn't
feel like what they did was that horrible. Okay, Ryan

(34:24):
thoughts absolutely, And that is like the biggest thing and
the probably the biggest difference between this movie and the
original and where we should criticize this compared to the original.
Because a key component of the original was the fact
that they this morality question and the way that it
the way that doing something immoral change those characters from
year one to year two and how Julie James just

(34:46):
like how it destroyed her life personally and like that
is I mean, that's the reason for the season. And
I know what she did last immer that moral question
and it's lacking here and it just makes me feel like,
you know, gen Z is afraid of, like, you know,
a real moral conversation. I feel like I am trying
to imagine, like if they would have done something similar here,
how the audience would have reacted. Like it just to me,

(35:06):
it shows just how much society has changed and the
conversation and social you know, social culture has changed from
the nineties to now. I mean I didn't look at
it that deep. I totally see what you're saying and stuff,
because like, I feel like there are still gen Z
people who would make mistakes like we did when we
were deemed and cover it up and do it it.

(35:27):
But it's for me again and I keep returning to it.
It was poor writing because I think they were, like,
we can't just have them hit someone again. But like,
at least you got to make it something that people
are gonna feel really guilty about. Like, Tim, did you
feel that accident was something horrible?

Speaker 1 (35:42):
No, because there was a guy standing in the road,
and then he like because he was staying, he swerved.
So it's almost like, hey, there was five witnesses for
a bad driver.

Speaker 2 (35:51):
Yeah, or a driver that was responsible enough that he
didn't want to hit the guy in the road, and yes,
the guy was being an asshole, but like, it just
didn't feel like an entire revenge plot would come from this.
So we get to one year later, and weirdly, first off,
this kind of caught me off guard. Love the you know,
the I guess the risks that the director's doing, but like,
suddenly ave us hooking up with a girl and I again,

(36:14):
I don't care, but like all we knew about her
from before is that she had some tension between her
and Milo, So like hooking up in a bathroom with
this random girl who's a podcaster though, I love that,
And the name of her podcast was Live Laugh Slaughter.
That love that name. Uh weird though, And I remember, Kim,
you score you squirming and you're seeing when you know
here's the.

Speaker 1 (36:34):
Thing, like, because like, like, are you sexually promiscuous because
you can't deal with the events of a year ago,
that could be like you're suddenly like I The way
I deal with that is to hook up as strangers,
you know. But like the stakes were so much higher.
At least it felt that way because they were like
the beginning of their lives. They're like, Okay, we graduated,
you know, you know, we're going off to different places.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
In the first movie, yeah, okay, and then this one.

Speaker 1 (36:56):
They're just like, oh, we're in our twenties. Like, but
did you guys remember you thought twice Ryan, maybe you
can help refresh my memory, didn't Milo say he had
like a political career.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
Yeah?

Speaker 3 (37:06):
Political job?

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Oh I did catch that.

Speaker 3 (37:09):
See I thought that whenever they dropped that that would
be a reason. Like so I was like, oh, that's interesting.
So then we get to the accident, and I was thinking, well,
if you have a political job, if it comes out
that you were involved in a crime or you covered
something up, that's really bad for you, and that's a reason,
that's a motivation to cover it up.

Speaker 2 (37:24):
You know, that would have been a better motive that got.

Speaker 1 (37:26):
Touch that And I was like I kept waiting for, like, oh, well,
hot Milo is going to be a political person, and
then then he's just cute and.

Speaker 2 (37:33):
To change things even more so, like they're all going
back now Danic is having a different bridal shower with
a new guy because apparently her and her and Teddy
broke up. I guess that was one of the only
things that happened in the aftermath, and she met a
new guy and got close enough to be engaged again
a year later, which just was like I would like again,

(37:56):
they needed to only make it one year because you
have to say, I know you did last summer, but
I was like, okay, that's quick thoughts on okay Wyatt
versus Teddy? Who would you guys rather be engaged to both.

Speaker 3 (38:07):
Teddy and like, you know, I absolutely Teddy's my crush
of this movie. Besides right, I mean, raise my type,
but Teddy is my type of the younger cast.

Speaker 2 (38:14):
I you know, I was a Wyat guy because even
though he was so just dumb, he was so pretty.
And I think Teddy, even though Teddy is very very
good looking like that that the anger, the agro joftness
to him.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
He couldn't get it Barry what. He couldn't get it
to Barry's level, Like they didn't write him that angry
and that mean like remember he like threw Juli up
against the car and everything, Like they didn't make I
was waiting for him to like rough up the lead
girl Ava, and he didn't do it.

Speaker 2 (38:41):
It was like, God, I wanted to see some domestic violence.
I don't know, but I'm.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Saying like Barry was much more nuts whereas this guy was.
He was toned down.

Speaker 2 (38:49):
And so Danaka gets the note I know what you
did last summer note at her shower and she immediately
thinks it's teddy because they broke up, and like none
of them are really that concerned. And guess what, I
wasn't concerned either because they didn't really do anything that bad.
So like if I got that note, I would have
been like, yeah, we didn't go to the police, Okay,
next bridle shower, but like we do go to the

(39:09):
next part, which is why it's big death scene. Now,
I will say this, I thought this was the best
kill and debt scene of the movie. The big problem
is that it was spoiled in all of the trailer.

Speaker 1 (39:21):
Frame for frame in the trailer, and also Milo and
Wyatt look interchangeable.

Speaker 3 (39:26):
Well that's the point because Danica is a rapid bitch.

Speaker 2 (39:29):
So wait, Teddy, oh yeah yeah, but yes, go on.

Speaker 3 (39:34):
So okay, just for the perspective of, like, you know,
that scene, that scene is so well done, why I
don't understand why every single scene in this movie wasn't
executed to Chris perfection as that one is with the
inter cutting of her being in the bathtub, the sound
design and like downstairs, like it is so perfectly done,
even to the crescendo of her coming down and seeing

(39:55):
the spread, it was so well directed. I'm just like,
I feel like, you know again, a part of me
thinks my philosophy is that, like Jennifer love Hewitt coming
back into the project kind of interrupted the second half
of the script because you know, I feel like the
first maybe like forty pages of the script were untouched
so the director could execute whatever her vision was. And
then when Jennifer Love Hewitt came into the script midway

(40:16):
through filming, that's where all the problems started arising in
terms of the tone, in terms of the execution, because
it doesn't make sense why that scene is so good
and she couldn't replicate it in any other set piece.

Speaker 1 (40:27):
It's so true, like I was waiting for, like, because
when Jennifer love Hewitt comes in, every scene feels tacked on.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Yeah, it feels like.

Speaker 1 (40:35):
Oh, we made this movie, like, hey, why don't we sprinkle.

Speaker 2 (40:38):
Throw her in? Yeah? Yeah, Look, I actually agree one
hundred percent with you Ryan on that because I even
wrote down, I made some notes about the scenes, and
like I had all good notes about the scene. This
was one of the only scenes I laughed with the
movie versus at the movie. And what I mean is
that switching between Danica listening to that cheesy meditation tape

(40:59):
as her boyfriend getting brudely murdered. That's the type of
like humor that I feel like the audience can get
in on and not just like being like this isn't landing, Like,
that's the type of humor that I was like, Oh
my god, she is so oblivious to what is going
on as she's just relaxing at her boyfriend, who has
nothing to do with this is getting mutilated. And yes,

(41:19):
like the way it was. If I hadn't seen this
in the trailer, it would have been scary the way
like it just suddenly like the the what was it,
the spear gun or something came out of the path,
out of the nowhere, and then like it's saying, you
can't erase the pass near his dead body. But it's
like quickly after this great scene, they're all at the
police station and Danaka and Ava are making jokes about

(41:40):
how now she's going to be a hot widow, and like,
I turned to Jacob and I just was like, real life,
did her didn't her fiance just die? Like and I
just was like this, like it felt really off color
and just again I'm not like the morality police, but
I'm like, it just didn't feel real. I don't think.

Speaker 1 (42:02):
Because if they're making jokes, us as the audience are
not gonna we're no longer scared.

Speaker 2 (42:06):
We're no longer exactly, We're out of it. And it
took me out of it that brilliant scene. I'm just like,
this is their dynamic. And also, guess what, Danica, you
just got a warning you're gonna be next. Stop fucking
making jokes like the killer's coming after you. And they
just are making hot widow jokes. And by the way,
you're not a widow if you haven't gotten married yet,
just telling me.

Speaker 3 (42:27):
Yeah, so you know, and the thing about it is
like I agree with everything that you said, and I
guess I am just like kind of like inoculated to
it in a way, like the like the the type
of humor that you're describing in the lack of seriousness,
because like for me, I like I've been fighting this
you know, war with you know, in terms of like
this type of humor for such a long time. I'm
just like, well, of course this type of humor would

(42:47):
be in it. Like you know, it's like the same
thing with Scream six and Mindy loses her girlfriend then
the next scene she has her eyes on Ethan like
it just it's so infuriating why filmmakers can't make movies
more serious these days.

Speaker 2 (42:59):
Yeah, and you know, to go back to the original,
the main cast only finds out about like other deaths
in the movie at the end, and Julie is traumatized,
shit making jokes like.

Speaker 1 (43:09):
You know, I am all for a fun and the
character is being funny, but it's not at a time
and place for everything. And trust me again, I don't
I'm I had fun watching this movie, but scenms like
that really a bug.

Speaker 2 (43:24):
Yeah, that really, it just bugged me and took me
out of it. So we moved to what I feel
like is the only real chase scene we got in
a movie that is so famous for that chase scene
with Helen that is one of my favorite chas scenes
of all time. It's the scene with Tyler the podcaster
in the old Shivers Store now points to the filmmakers
for bringing back the Shiver's Store, for bringing back the

(43:44):
Pulley elevator and all that I have to talk about this,
please go.

Speaker 1 (43:48):
The movie has again, it doesn't conjure up much suspense,
like you know, we're used to fight their teens and
halloweens and like we've had a heavy, heavy, heavy dose.

Speaker 2 (43:56):
The two best franchise movies.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
It's these films take place that night, these Chase's broad Daylight.
This is I was like, are we watching like a
TV series? Like it just it didn't feel like a big, big,
blockbuster movie. I was like, I felt like it was
very like, Okay, we're gonna film this during the day,

(44:17):
like and it just it just started happening, and I
was just like, oh, okay, I guess it's happening.

Speaker 2 (44:22):
How did you guys feel about the Tyler chase scene
and her pulling herself up the elevator like Helen did, Like,
did you like it? Was it a I failed attempt?

Speaker 3 (44:31):
For me? This was when the movie started to go
off the rails, like whenever she showed as somebody who
was wearing a shirt with Helen Shiver's on it, like I.
Then the minute I saw her pull out and show
her Helen Shiver short, I was like, Okay, we are
not in reality anymore in terms of the suspense, and
like the chase, I didn't like it. I didn't think
that it was I didn't think that there was tension.
I didn't think that even the actress sold it, like

(44:51):
you know, the way that her body physically moved through
that scene. Compare that. Compare Madelin Cline in the Cemetery
later on to Sarah Mischallgeller's body language in the her
Chasing in nineteen ninety seven Night and Day. It's just
it wasn't effective to me. The only thing about this
sequence that I really really liked was this the screen
reference where they pull off, where she pulls off the mask.

Speaker 2 (45:12):
Oh, she says, you like, but here's the thing now
knowing who the killer was, and we'll get to that,
and we're gonna spoil it because we do. So if
you haven't seen it and don't want to know, don't
keep listening. But now that I look back, well, obviously
it's pretty obvious that who the killer is because this
podcaster only knows people from nineteen ninety seven, so she
wouldn't be like you to Milo, you know, like and

(45:35):
I don't.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
Think she even met him, And did the podcaster meet
the group?

Speaker 2 (45:38):
I don't think she only met Ava and Milo when
they were getting she got that ride from them, remember,
and she hooked up with Ava like.

Speaker 1 (45:45):
They got the script, like she had the knife and
like she cuts someone's arm. So I was like, Okay,
whoever in the movie has like the bandage on the
arm is the killer? So yeah, that wouldn't play out
until like.

Speaker 2 (45:55):
Yeah, I agree. I did think it was clever the
page that fell on top of Ava with that said,
who would get that right? Like the timed right? Like
these killers are not so precise that they would get
that right. So we finally get to introducing Julie. This
is I call like the legacy segment because we get
like Julie at the university and Ray at the town hall,

(46:17):
and Julie is a professor, and now this is I'm
going to caveat this with I thought every scene with
Julie I enjoyed because I thought she was doing her
character justice and I think she was playing it straight.
She wasn't there to make jokes. She did have a
couple one liners, like with Nostalgia's overrated, but it fell earned.
It didn't feel fake. So when Julie was the professor

(46:38):
at the university talking about like PTSD and trauma, like
I believed it, Ava seeks her out and you know,
they have tea and she's telling her all about that.
You know, I don't know. She tells Ava, you got
to kill them before they kill you. I was like,
this is something I think Julie in hindsight would look
back and be like, Hey, we did the wrong thing.
We're trying to like solve everything. We should have just
gone after this guy because the four of us together

(46:58):
could have killed him. So she's given Ava advice, and
then we have Ray showing up at the town hall
saying that everyone's ignoring what happened to him in nineteen
ninety seven, yeah, and so now and oh, we also
find out that Ray is Stevie's boss, so it's like, hmm,
he's connected to one of the people in this accident.
Does he know whatever? And they also introduce in his
town hall this completely forgettable character, this random creepy worship

(47:21):
guy who I think they wanted to make a red herring.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
Guys, he's just a red herring that went really nowhere.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Yeah, So that want to get Ryan thoughts on how
they brought Julian Ray into the story.

Speaker 3 (47:32):
Well, so, I actually I will answer that, but I
just want to address the pastor and like that whole thing,
because they were trying to make him the red herring
of the movie, right in the same way that, like,
you know, one of my favorite parts of I Know
What You Did Lastimber is the way that Helen and
Julie kind of investigate David Egan and it leads to
Ben Willis and we learned all of that and that
all makes perfect sense. We go step by step by step,
everyone knows what happened there here. I would love to

(47:55):
pick any random person you know who saw I Know
What You Did listener and asked them in their own
words to explain this subplot with the pastor and how
it actually makes sense, and they wouldn't be able to.
And that's again that's a problem for I know what
you did last summer where the mystery is different than
just to who'd done it. As it pertains to Julian Ray,
I agree with what you said about Julie, like her
scenes are played in the reality of like the spirit

(48:17):
of the Julie we know, but at the same time
they're so set. She's in a different movie, you know,
she's so disconnected and like, you know, my thing is
like we we have talked about the Trio and Scream
five to death, we you know, in terms of like
what worked about them, what didn't work. Jennifer Caitlyn Robinson
had all these years and to think about how to

(48:39):
use the legacy, and it just feels like, you know,
I don't have the screen times yet. I will soon,
but I would love to. I bet that Freddy Prince
Junior and Jennifer Love Hewitt have at least half of
the screen time of the Trio and Scream five, who
already didn't have enough. So it's just like they were
so undercut. That being said, I do think Freddy Prince
Junior gives a really good performance throughout the film.

Speaker 2 (48:58):
Okay, I you know, they have one scene together which
I think fancy original were really like clamoring for and
you find out that this is okay. I had an
issue with this because you find out that Julie and
Ray like are used to be married, but were never
given a reason as to why they broke up what happened.

(49:19):
They just don't like each other now. And this is
where I'm going to bring it into your territory, Ryan,
because in Scream five, one of the most emotional scenes
for me was when Gail finds Dewey and they have
that talk about him leaving her in New York, because
he could have cut it and you could see the
emotions and like you get an explanation in a short
scene of what happened why they are apart but they

(49:39):
still love each other. We got none of that between
Julie and Ray. I have no idea why they broke up.
They could have really set up a better motive for
someone like Ray if she said, like you started becoming distant,
you started getting more angry at that, you know, like
or something like.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
It could have gone the soap proper route, but not
saying did you guys know I'm like a little off topic.
But when when she finally found Jennifer love hewittt I
think it's the same location from Nightmare Off Street three
where like he gets the pills.

Speaker 2 (50:10):
Wait when she finally what when when the lead.

Speaker 1 (50:12):
Girl finds Jennifer Love Hewett at the college? Is it
the same college where Nightman Olf Street three was filmed?

Speaker 2 (50:18):
God? Who knows that? I was thinking about, Like, I mean,
but schools. I'm trying to think of the one and
night Was it the same school? We'd have to look?
I mean that's a very deep.

Speaker 1 (50:28):
Like this is where my mind was during the film,
Like the the they obviously didn't film at They filmed
in Australia, so they didn't go back to the location
so already, and I know that they were trying to
make like this, like this perfect south Southport. Yes, yes,
the perfect Southport, but it just it didn't have the
feel for me. It just like the location matters.

Speaker 2 (50:51):
I'm actually glad you brought that up, because that was
another point that disappointed me, is that I thought when
I saw the previews for this movie, I was like,
I'm so glad they're taking this movie back to Southport
because one of my problems with I still Know was
the Bahamas didn't feel like a scary setting, and the
Southport the way those camera shots of like the cliffs
and when they're on the beach and when they're driving

(51:11):
and just all the fishermen, it just felt like small
town East Coast Like it just gave me a great
horror movie setting feeling. This one. It felt like they
were in like Santa Monica or like a beach town.
Like it didn't feel like South.

Speaker 1 (51:25):
Park, even Miami Beach.

Speaker 2 (51:27):
Yeah, it felt I was like, where are where's the
East Coast fisherman vibe? Like why did they pick Australian
If they're gonna pick it, pick an area like you've
had twenty eight years with this movie Like that really
replicates that. I mean, what do you agree, Ryan, or
did you just think the setting work?

Speaker 3 (51:41):
I don't think the setting works. And I think that
like you know, they would say that, oh well, well
this is this is part of the theme of the
movie is about gentrification, and it's about government corruption and
about the small town being corrupted into you know, this
big vacation spot like and I think that was what
was intended, but it doesn't translate on film, so it
just feels like it doesn't match up with the original film.

(52:03):
And like, I feel like watching this back to back
with the original film is going to be like watching
Stu's House in nineteen ninety six versus Stu's House in
twenty twenty two, And like, just you know, going back
to what you asked about Julian Ray, because it is
really worth pointing out, is like, you know, I know
Doobie's death is controversial in screen five, but you have
to give the writers props in that movie for kind

(52:25):
of doing a very artfully beautifully crafted arc for him
in terms of, like you know, we learn, how we
learn about their divorce and what happened with them. It
is explained, it is, you know, it's ironed out and
shown to us so that whenever he chooses to go
back and lead what leads to his death, there's an
arc that's fulfilled about him being a coward, you know,
and there's just none of that here. It's so service level,

(52:47):
and especially if you're going to make Ray the killer,
you needed to juice this and milk this because you know,
we have been with these characters for twenty eight years,
Like this is important, you know, and especially like you know,
because allegedly he died, we'll never get another opportunity for
Julie and Ray to kind of have this conversation or
for Julie to have this closure or learn what happened
with them. You know.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
Yeah, I mean I didn't get that discussion, not at all.
And like, I mean, this is Ray. This is the
character that, like you know, went after Julie in the
boat on the first one, put himself in danger to
try to help her. This is the same person who
when he was injured in the second movie, like went
all the way to the Bahamas in a storm by
himself to save Julie. Now you're saying that he so

(53:30):
much trauma has changed him into someone who not only
is going to be a killer, but is going to
try to put the blame on Julie. It's anyway, we'll
get to the end. I want to go through a
few other highlights before we get to the end. But
like there's Danica's attack at the cemetery, which there were
a few little fan service moments I liked in this.
I did like that they covered and showed the graves
of like all the victims from the first one, even Elsa,
because I felt like, I'm like, are they gonna like

(53:52):
acknowledge that also Helen's sister.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
It was nob like that.

Speaker 2 (53:55):
I like that. And they said Max's name and they
said they saw his and I did, like me being crude,
liked when Teddy made the joke about Barry and his
big old cocks because his name is Barry Cox. You
missed that, Oh I heard it. But so, and Danica
gets attacked and she has I guess what would be
another sort of chase scene, but it really was more

(54:15):
a hiding scene. They really wanted to get her in
the croaker Queen area and but Teddy knocks the killer
down to save her, and it's very anti climactic.

Speaker 3 (54:25):
That is poorly executed, Like it's so it's kind of
an awkward scene, like I don't even think Madeline Klein
is like like she's not acting with like the urgency
of like you know, I'm being I'm really under attack here.

Speaker 2 (54:36):
I didn't.

Speaker 3 (54:37):
I didn't like it. It was kind of almost confusing. It
felt choppily edited. In my opinion, It just it was
a weird scene and I think like as we go
forward from here on out, like the rest of the movie,
it's just there is just a scene after scene, sepiece
after sepiece that is just weirdly constructed and like just choppy.

Speaker 1 (54:52):
Not only that, I'm a huge music person. The music
throughout this film not great. No, yeah, it was very uninspired.

Speaker 2 (54:58):
Did you guys notice? And I I usually don't look
at little details like this. That's more like a Tim thing,
but like, did you guys notice when they were in
the cemetery it looked so fake. It was such a set,
and I rarely noticed that, Like I didn't even I
know this is gonna kill you, Ryan, but I didn't
even mind the Stew's house set and Scream five as
much as I know you did. Tim. I know noticed

(55:19):
it right away, and I was like, I did not set,
but I didn't mind as much this. It was like
like woo owl sound cemetery, bring on the fog machines,
get the fake grass, and like it looked like my
Halloween party to be honest, bomb it just really yes,
Goosebumps or my Halloween party. I'm like, come on, guys,
it's a big budget film, like at a good cemetery

(55:40):
in there. But anyway, then we get Milo's very anti
climactic death, Like there's a semi sex scene where they
tried to make a joke that I guess Ava wants
to be choked now and he's weirded out and he
makes like a joke in his car, which for me
just fell flat. I just wasn't laughing, and then he
just gets strangled by a rope really slowly and his

(56:02):
neck snapped, and it was like it was sad because
he was a nice guy. But like again, like you said,
the kills were getting less and less inspired as they went.

Speaker 1 (56:09):
Oh my gosh, this one was the most painful. I
was just like, this is it just him going out
to the car. I mean, I know it was.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
I saw choker.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
Yeah. It was just like, don't talk to yourself. None
of this is working, none of this I don't know.

Speaker 2 (56:22):
I just you guys want him in the backseat of
the car. I mean, I know that's expected, but at
least that would have been a little scary. I thought
the killer would be there are Yah.

Speaker 3 (56:30):
It was just an awkward scene. It was an awkward
thing to leave the house, and like when he left
the house, it wasn't scary, and that was it was
just kind of boring. And then it just they were
again going for the joke of like, ooh, you know,
I'm such a beta guy in twenty twenty five, I
have to work myself up to have BDSM.

Speaker 2 (56:45):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (56:46):
I didn't like. Also, I think they're like I'm sure
the filmmakers were like, oh, like the audience is like, oh,
he's going outside, that's where the killer is. I didn't
feel that.

Speaker 2 (56:55):
Yeah, there was no suspense. Speaking of another part where
there was zero suspense, Teddy in the sauna. First off,
right away, I was getting major gay bath house vibes,
like when he's sitting there, people in there, Yeah, there's
other people in there. He's just looking at their legs.
He's sitting there like, I'm like okay. And obviously they
only put this scene in so they could have the

(57:16):
message you're next on the steam and have that callback
to like the ending scene if I know what you
did last summer, but guess what, then nothing happens. I
was waiting for him to be attacked at the gym
like Barry was, for him to, like the lights to
go out in the sauna, guess what, nothing happened. He
just goes home and his big attack scene is at home.
And this whole part confused me because there was this

(57:37):
weird statue in his house that looked like a fisherman.
But then the real fisherman is hiding behind the statue.
So I'm like, why does he have a statue of
a fisherman? And like you would clearly see and I
know he was drinking. There was like eight beers there.
You would clearly see that there's two. Yeah, I'm just
the only and it was And also like they really

(57:58):
gave him a good fight scene, but like he well
I guess in terms of he fought back the most
before getting killed, but like I didn't really like him
that much, so I was sort of rooting for the fisherman.

Speaker 1 (58:09):
I was like, you know what I was waiting for,
like a hook in the head. It never came. I mean,
I know that the rocketeer Billy Campbell got it through
the neck, but that's I know from the mucketeer. That's
nineteen ninety.

Speaker 2 (58:22):
The rocketeer, Ryan, what are your thoughts.

Speaker 3 (58:24):
My philosophy about this sequence is there was a lot
more between the gym and the big set piece at
the house with him and his dad. But because they
were adding Jennifer loveew At back in and like they
needed to keep the poor this part of the movie shorter.
They were taking things out that would have made this
sequence make more sense. And as it stands, it's not suspenseful. Again,

(58:46):
it's choppy, it's weird. I didn't like the way that
the action was staged. It didn't really flow naturally, and
I just again, I was just not I kind of
liked the emotion of him young for his mother. That
was it, you know that I was waiting.

Speaker 1 (59:00):
For that to come into play. I was like, Oh,
are we gonna get a same with like the mom
and the dad running through the house. We didn't get it.

Speaker 2 (59:05):
No, And it did remind me of like Barry remember
when his mom's in the house and he's trying to
like you shu how up because he does want his
mom to hear. I will say this and again because
I try to look for especially if I didn't hate
a movie, I try to look for some of the
positive aspects of it. And like I said earlier in
this I did enjoy watching this movie, even though I
thought it kind of made a mockery of the series

(59:26):
and was a big joke. I did enjoy the dad
finding him there and getting a really brutal hook through
the side of the neck because it was really painstakingly slow.
But it was different. And when you think about the
fisherman having his hook and all the things he could
do with it, it's like you might as well just
hook someone through the side of their necks. So that

(59:47):
was good. I'm shocked. Billy Campbell's like, yeah, just kill
me in the most brutal.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Particular at that point, was Stevie or Ray.

Speaker 3 (59:56):
Come on, Like, I don't know. I don't know, because
this is this is so essential to the film's supposed theme, right,
it's about the rich people who have corrupted Southport, and
that this is I'm certain that if like that, if
there's any logic to this movie that Ray was carrying
out him helping Stevie was for him to kill this guy,

(01:00:17):
that's what I think.

Speaker 2 (01:00:18):
Well, and yes, that definitely could be. I'm sure a
big part of it. We have the small Danica's dream
sequence where we get a cameo from Sarah Michelle Geller. Now,
obviously I was as happy as everyone to see this
and not just that. Did you guys have any idea
she was going to be in it? Because I didn't,
Oh you did? I knew.

Speaker 3 (01:00:36):
I knew it was Freddy Prince Junior as the killer.
I knew Sarah wasn't it.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
I knew, oh see these I went into this movie
really blind. I mean, I saw the trailer, but I
was that was a good surprise.

Speaker 2 (01:00:47):
I had a friend online say, I'm hearing rumors about
Freddie being or Ray being a killer. Do you think
that could be? And so I remember thinking, no, they
would never like assassinate his character like that, Like, no,
they wouldn't want to do that. But that was in
my head. So when it found out, I wasn't a shock.
I had no idea Sarah Michelle Geller was gonna be
in it. So I was very delighted to see her

(01:01:08):
in that scene. My only issue was, again in the
same vein of the rest of the humor of the movie,
her scene almost felt like it was more like a yes, queen, like,
I'm Helen shivers what you talk about? Like it was
another joke, and Helen was never a joke. I thought
she was gonna give her a real warning or real

(01:01:30):
advice yeah, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Think that played out. She went to Australia with Freddy
Prince Junie.

Speaker 2 (01:01:34):
Yes.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
The director was.

Speaker 2 (01:01:36):
Like, you know what, we should do something with s MG.

Speaker 1 (01:01:39):
And she goes, you know what, I'm here, and so
they were just like it. Just that's the way I
think it planned out.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
And you know, she looked beautiful, beautiful, beautiful.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
And honestly, can I just be controversial, Sarah Micheal Geller
gives the best performance in this movie. Yeah, wish even
wither even doing the you know drag queen, yes queen
kind of thing, you know, with the humor and like
the even with all of that, she still committed better
than anybody else, you know, and she did look pretty.
And that's but I'm I'm also like the biggest ceremonial

(01:02:10):
Guller family. I have seen every movie she's ever done.
I'm like a good twelve times. But even so, like
I didn't I don't know if this scene was necessary,
And honestly, I was so annoyed that the girls were
being locked in the police station weirdly again all night.
You know, that didn't make sense. I was just kind
of distracted by it. It was just kind of it
slowed down the pace.

Speaker 2 (01:02:29):
I don't know. It definitely wasn't necessary. I'm happy it
was in there just for for selfish fan service reasons.
I know that it was one hundred percent fan service,
but being a fan, I didn't mind because I wanted
to see her. I just wish and I agree that
her performance was great. She looked great. I just wish
they had given her something a little bit more substantial,
even as a dream. I think that they just could have,

(01:02:50):
you know. Okay, So we get to the big ending,
the confrontation on the boat because like Teddy and his
dad's bodies are strung up in the town which broad
Day and looted, Ray and Stevie get those bodies up
there with without anyone seeing anyone. Apparently nobody is around
at night in Southport. So Ray tells the three girls
like Ava, Danik and Stevie like get on the boat,

(01:03:12):
get away from town. The killer's after you. And that's
when again the cops arrive at that church and find
that the pastor's dead. I had had no investment in
the pastor this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
I know this happens in horror films.

Speaker 2 (01:03:22):
There's like non existent Oh yeah, of course, but they
were all hot. Did you know the cops? The cops
like they really love to hire like models as cops because.

Speaker 1 (01:03:30):
A long time since I've seen it, like a ridiculously
hot cast, So you know what in a long time.

Speaker 2 (01:03:36):
Yeah. So, and the one thing they find they find
this picture of the victim from the accident, and apparently
he was the boyfriend of Stevie. And big surprise, Stevie,
one of the five involved in the accident is the killer,
and she reveals herself and they have a big struggle
on the boat. Now here's my issue. I'm just gonna
put this out there. Okay, Stevie, you were part of
that group, so you're at yourself or you're mad at them,

(01:04:03):
or you're taking your own guilt out on them, because
I know she had some line like, oh, I could
have killed myself, but I thought it'd be more fun
to kill you guys, which was just so weak. But
like I just was like, you're so angry, but you
were part of this. You were there that night and
you didn't go to the police station, So why are
you so angry at these girls? And you spent a

(01:04:24):
year getting really close to Danica again just to do this.
It felt weird. I know they wanted to shock us
and have someone from the group be the killer, but
to me it was weak.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Well actually it was more surprised by Ray. I mean,
granted I wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Like, ah, but well, thoughts on okay, thoughts from you
guys on Stevie being the killer and like the believability
and all.

Speaker 3 (01:04:45):
Of that, I can believe it. I thought that Sarah
Pigeon did an okay job acting the scene, but overall, like,
you know, your problem that the way I kind of
read what you were saying is that like there just
wasn't enough time for her the motive to be clearly communicated.
I feel like it was too rushed. And again, had

(01:05:05):
she had just like two more minutes where she could
monologue like a screen killer, it would have made more sense.
But the way that it is now is just rushed
and sloppy and just kind of a shrug, you know.

Speaker 2 (01:05:16):
And she was like, what do you guys, what do
you do in Diva? I'm like, I don't want my
killer speaking like that.

Speaker 1 (01:05:21):
Like she was like, hey, Diva, yeah, I'm not a
big fan of cracking jokes when you're just you.

Speaker 2 (01:05:28):
Know, okay. One thing I will say, I'm going to
actually backtrack on what I said there, because I just
remembered that the group had dropped her as a friend
when her dad, like I think, was doing drugs or something,
and she went to rehab, and so that I get
is a reason to be like, these people are all
trash and I hate them. But remember she went with
them on July fourth to do that. So if she

(01:05:50):
hadn't and just been an outsider and always had like
anger toward them, it would have made more sense. But
then she would have been too obvious. Like let's say
she wasn't in vat.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
It's not like I actually would have you know, if
they ignored her and just like let's go without her,
then kill.

Speaker 2 (01:06:05):
Her, That's what I was gonna say. That's exactly what would
have been a reason. It's like, oh my god, you
guys were involved in accent that killed my boyfriend. You
guys treated me like shit, you've never been nice to me.
I'm gonna kill you.

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
It's almost like the way they treated Max, like they
didn't even give Max the time of day.

Speaker 2 (01:06:19):
No, and then Max gets killed by the killer. Yeah,
I had nothing to do with it. Yeah, but like
so that was why I was just like she. But again,
if she had been a full outsider, she would have
been an obvious killer. So and so then Ray gets
to the boat to to help them. You think he's
gonna help them, and he shoots or you think shoots
Stevie right after she stabbed Danica. They both go overboard

(01:06:41):
and it's really down to just Ray and Ava, and
here's where we get our final confrontation. And this is
where things. Wow, wait a way to like just throw
Julie into the ending conflict because basically Ava find Ava's
like questioning how could Stevie have done with herself?

Speaker 1 (01:06:57):
She was literally stabbed in the back like almost like
the movie just like walk around with the knife and
of her.

Speaker 2 (01:07:02):
She tells Julie, I think and this is okay questions
for you guys, because she when she calls up Julian
and says, she's say Stevie was the killer, but I
wonder how she could do it herself. Right away, It's like,
right away Julie knows that Ray helped her, and I
guess it's like I get that they were estranged, but
did I didn't get enough from this movie to think

(01:07:23):
that Julie would go to the extreme of thinking her
ex husband could be a murderer. And that's why I
was so surprised that she right away peace together.

Speaker 1 (01:07:31):
Oh google it.

Speaker 2 (01:07:32):
Oh she was like, oh Ray worked with Stevie, he
must have been a killer. I'm gonna go out there
to help her. How convenient.

Speaker 3 (01:07:38):
And it's just also, you know, I also feel bad
for Freddy Prince Junior and the character of Ray because
he doesn't even get the moment to reveal himself, to
have that moment of shock, like it just it's a
letdown and a lot of respects.

Speaker 2 (01:07:50):
It's it's very lazy, it is, and I just it's like,
so of course this was their way of getting Julie.
Julie got the southboard real fast and because she's there,
and like Tim said, Eva comes out stabbed in the back.

Speaker 1 (01:08:05):
Well this is this is such besides the point, who cares.
I loved her outfit, I really did. I feel like
a little white skirt. It's not like a white a
red polest out.

Speaker 2 (01:08:15):
But okay, and you are right, all their outfits were great,
but like, does anybody dress that nicely just to hang
out like in the online the weekends? Like the way
they were dressing was like every day was either a
fashion show or a bridle thought.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
I felt they were like they were doing a J
Crew cover.

Speaker 2 (01:08:30):
Shoe every day every day. So Julie confronts Ray, obviously,
and this is where we get his suppose a mode
of its twofold number one. He hates that Southport basically
erase to everything that happened to him, which you know,
he thinks they're just trying to cover it up to
get more people to live there, and he was using
what happened to them to help Stevie get revenge for

(01:08:51):
what happened to her. And he also says he's gonna
blame it all on Julie, and it just felt like
like this isn't the Ray that I knew from these
two first movies. Now again, not that Ray was ever
my favorite character, but if this movie is gonna take
a swing to turn him into a killer, you got
to give me enough to truly believe he would be

(01:09:13):
a killer. And that's where it failed for me.

Speaker 3 (01:09:16):
And they could have done that with a couple of
more scenes or just better description. And like, I agree
with you about Julie making that jump, like I don't
believe that, Like if someone if you've been married to
somebody and you've survived these other attacks with them, that
you would immediately suspect that they were a killer. It
just it was it was a leap. And like also,
I'm just kind of disappointed with Julie in the confrontation
with Ray. I just think that, like there was so

(01:09:38):
much more conversation to have been had that wasn't had.
And like Jennifer love You, I don't know if you
guys noticed, but she literally doesn't move once she once
she and Ray start talking, she literally stands on the
mark the entire finale and his entire monologue. It's just
so I mean, it makes Sydney shooting doors in Scream
five look like the Sydney of Scream two knocking everything
off the stage, or Sydney and Scream three going ahead

(01:09:59):
to head with like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:00):
Are shooting who in Scream five? Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:10:02):
Shooting the doors in Scream five?

Speaker 2 (01:10:03):
Like that was you said, shooting Doris And I was like,
who do no?

Speaker 3 (01:10:08):
But you know, because like we kind of like joke
about this, like, oh, Sidney, Nev Campbell came back and
Scream five just to shoot doors. Well, Jennifer Love You
came back, and I know what she did? Did last
smmer to stand in the same spot while Freddie Prince
Junior Monel.

Speaker 1 (01:10:19):
There was zero confrontation.

Speaker 2 (01:10:20):
Didn't it look like they were in different scenes because
they kept hunting right like I was like a shooting there, okay?
And then this was my number one problem with their
treatment of Julie of all things. Number one, she got
no chase or even a struggle with Ray. She yells
her signature line, what are you waiting for? And then
Ava shoots him with a spear gun. But it looked

(01:10:42):
like Julie was just gonna sit there and Ray like
raises up the hook like she was gonna let him
hook her. I was like, what happened to the fighter, Julie?
And do you know how effective it would have been?

Speaker 1 (01:10:52):
Be if like he was going down with the hook
and like she grabbed like Greg here like.

Speaker 2 (01:10:56):
Yes, and they struggled. She takes a bottle smashed it
over his head. They have a struggle in the in
the thing, I'm shocked at Julie or sorry, Jennifer love Hewett,
who I read wanted to be integral to this movie,
is like I'm gonna go up against Ray at the end,
say one line and that's it, Like I'm not gonna
get a struggle. I mean, look, if Jamie Lee Curtis
is doing full on brutal fight scenes at like sixty three,

(01:11:19):
like Jennifer Love, you could have done it. So I'm
really shocked that they had her yellow line at him
and that's it.

Speaker 1 (01:11:25):
Yeah, it's it's so it really, I think this is
I mean, like this is what I think the filmmakers were, like, Hey,
we got we got Sarah Michelle Galler, we got Ray,
we got Julie James, like we have all of it.
And then they're like, we don't know what to do
with it, like you know, like they literally got it all,
and they're just like I think.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Just getting them is a enough no one said on set.

Speaker 1 (01:11:45):
But we're like, Okay, you got it all, but what
are you gonna do with that?

Speaker 2 (01:11:48):
No one said on set, like hey, why doesn't Julie
have a final confrontation with Ray? Like that's what Peppa
would want.

Speaker 3 (01:11:54):
Well, but also, you know, it would have been so
thematically rich and like it's on a character level long
term for Julie to have killed Ray. And like also
the irony of like the fact that in the first film,
Julie thought it was ray Or. She was suspicious. That's
what led her to the get attacked by by Ben Willis.
They didn't play on that irony. It was just so
much mispotential and like the way the way it all

(01:12:16):
kind of goes down is just so quick, Like it's
just anti climactic.

Speaker 2 (01:12:20):
Yeah, And then speaking of anti climactic, this is where
I will say this actually happened. I literally turned to
Jacob in a movie and said, what the fuck is this?
What is going on? The ending with the two girls
at the hospital just eating, making jokes. They're talking about
how hungry they are. They're like, oh I heard Stevie
still lying. Should we kill her? Probably? Oh men need therapy?

(01:12:43):
Like it was tacked on. It was so bad.

Speaker 1 (01:12:46):
It's disappointing.

Speaker 2 (01:12:47):
It was really bad dialogue. They're making jokes like the
whole thing, like your friends literally were murdered, you guys
were attacked. This is some what I would think is
some serious shit, and they're cracking jokes. She's like, you're
a mermaid because I am a mermaid. Wow.

Speaker 3 (01:13:04):
I was awful.

Speaker 1 (01:13:05):
Don't get me wrong. I love dumb humor. I love
dumb writing. I love dumb people, I'm one of them,
but I didn't want this.

Speaker 2 (01:13:11):
No, you're not too. I really did turn to Jacob
and said, what the fuck is this? Because that dialogue
was so cringe.

Speaker 3 (01:13:17):
Well, can I just say, like my interpretation of this thing,
because like I the fact, whenever I saw Madeline Clin
wash up on the beach, I was that was my
moment again, I had it. I was like, this is
this is so I'm over at this, Like, you know,
part of what made the original movie so good was
the fact that Barry and Helen both died, like their
deaths are so sad. We love them so much, and
then they're taken away from us. That the tragedy and

(01:13:39):
that you know, and that doesn't exist here. And I
think what the director was trying to do is play
on this, like again very online narrative that Helen should
have survived, you know, and give us the ending with
the two best friends girl boss thing, and like, I
just to me, that's not interesting, it's not there's no
truth and integrity of storytelling, and that it's just it's lame.
And I just also it's just not logical. Madeline Klein,

(01:13:59):
you know, getting stabbed by a hook and then floating
into the sea and then back onto shore. There are
so many logic loopholes you have to go through a
tree and make sense of that. It's just it's so frustrating,
it's unserious, and I just I'm disappointed she.

Speaker 2 (01:14:13):
Would have either bled out in the water or not
had the strength to swim, or not even had the
strength to swim ashore because she was bleeding and everything. Luckily,
we get what I thought literally was my favorite part
of the entire movie, the post credit scene where they
bring back Brandy aka Carlave from I Still Know What
You Did Last Summer. It's really funny because she's watching

(01:14:33):
the news with her husband and she had Now this
is an example of where of a place in the
movie where I think you can crack jokes, and it
makes sense because we're already through the main action and
she's watching the news. She sees everything that happened with
Julian Ray and she says, everyone's trying to kill that woman,
and she just can't. That's your right.

Speaker 1 (01:14:52):
That whole scene caught the tone, it hit the beats.
He was, but everything that we just saw prior to
that enjoyable, but like you said, oh, I think we
all said missed opportunity.

Speaker 2 (01:15:05):
And then they had Julia rive, which I loved because
we got to see Jennifer Lofewett and Brandy together and
she tells her she needs her help and she shows her.
There's like these pictures of both of them and Carla's
faces crossed out, and it says like this isn't over
and it ends with Carla sand who we fucking up
this time? And I was just like that was brilliant,
Like that was the great way of reintroducing that character,

(01:15:27):
making it comedic in a time when you can be
comedic in a post credit scene. The action's over, you
don't have to take things seriously. It was fun and
to be honest, like I'd rather see that movie of
them coming together and hunting down whoever's going after them.
That was my favorite scene in the movie. Thoughts on
that scene, I mean, I know you just gave him
so Ryan thoughts on that scene.

Speaker 3 (01:15:46):
I agree. It's I think probably the best scene in
the movie besides of course the death scene. In the
bathtub scene at the beginning, and with Brandy it says
like she understood the tone she was again, why are
the cameo actors the best actors in the movie, Saramachaga
and Brandy. Whenever I saw Brandy and she was giving
her jokes talking to her husband, I was like the
Leonardo DiCaprio meme, you know. I was like, that's Brandy,

(01:16:07):
that's Carla from nineteen ninety eight. I know her, and
it just felt like home, you know. And I actually,
you talking about the humor in it, I thought that,
like this was one of the more serious, you know,
dramatic moments in the movie. For Julie showing up, Like
it's just like, I don't know, and it's sad that
like we're saying this about you know, this the post
credit scene, but it is what it is.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
Yeah, they're like, hey, we're gonna try something, but the
last two minutes of the film.

Speaker 2 (01:16:31):
Yeah, So you know, overall, I'll go first on this
because overall, I mean, I think if you're listening to this,
you've heard us, you know, rag on a lot of
aspects of the movie. But I think truly, the reason
why I think I'm so disappointed is because I wanted
so much from this, and I guess I was expecting
so much it's been a long time since we've gotten

(01:16:51):
a true I Know what you did last summer movie,
A movie that felt like was going to go back
to the roots of the original, a movie with the
original characters, a movie that was positioned to be like
the original. And I was so excited for that and
so excited for this movie that I was really expecting
and hoping for more. I really think the most I

(01:17:12):
can say is summed up into I just felt like
the characters in this film weren't taking what was going
on seriously, and even the writer was Everything was a
big joke, and like I wasn't in on it as
the audience. Like I was hoping for a serious but
fun slasher, I got a entertaining slasher. It was not

(01:17:33):
serious at all, And I really thought taking the big
swing with Ray as the killer. Look, maybe I would
have bought into it more if you had given me
more reason and more development of his character, so I
would have expected it or thought it would have made sense.
But otherwise I feel like it was just a surprising
twist for a surprising twist's sake, And so that's kind

(01:17:53):
of my overall thoughts on the movie. I will definitely
be rewatching it. I will definitely be buying it because
I could see myself revisiting this and at least having
a pretty good time with it. But I'm never gonna
think it's like a very smart slasher or that it's
on par with either of the first two films. Okay,
Tim wants your final thoughts on this.

Speaker 1 (01:18:13):
So you know, obviously, the film's been out for twenty
eight years, so we've probably watched it every summer, so
we've seen it twenty eight times. Let's just say that.
So we've seen this movie a lot. We love these characters,
and then to bring them back in such a quick,
sloppy way, I you know, and I don't. I hate
to use the word sloppy. I hate to criticize it
because I'm so happy it was made.

Speaker 2 (01:18:33):
Happy.

Speaker 1 (01:18:34):
I'm happy happy our time, Yes, but I was so
happy it was made. So yeah, I do want to
see it again, and maybe maybe in the big screen.
I don't know, but yeah, it's just the stakes seems
so low. I wanted to love it, and I just
kind of was like I liked it, and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:18:53):
Of Ryan. Overall thoughts on I know what you did
last summer twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (01:18:57):
And like, so we talked, you mentioned how big of
a risk it was to make Ray the killer, and
I like that audacity, and I like that it's something
that Scream hasn't done. So that'd be like if Scream
five would have made yell Whether's the killer? It would
have been so shocking, and it should have been so shocking,
it should have been groundbreaking, and it just wasn't because
it wasn't explained. And I think, like, you know, overall,
I think that the first half hour forty five minutes great,

(01:19:21):
you know, but it then it just became sloppy, and
I can't really excuse that, and I just don't understand why,
like the weird choices, the awkward moments, and the camp
of it all, the gen z humor of it all.
You know. Again, I'm I like you, Matt, I will
this is going to be part of my life, you know,
whether I like it or not. So you know, I
I did enjoy it on the second time. More my

(01:19:43):
problems reduced as I watched. You know, am the rewatch,
so who knows, you know, we'll see, but I am
disappointed overall, but happy disappointed.

Speaker 2 (01:19:53):
You know. It's very similar to what my feelings originally
were for Halloween Kills. I thought there was a ton
of cre ringe dialogue and that really weird performances, and
I didn't like the way they extended twenty eighteen, which
is a movie I really love, but I still watch
it all the time and I can still enjoy it,
and I feel like I can get there with this movie. Again,

(01:20:14):
you're hearing us listeners break down everything and reasons why
we were disappointed. Love a mess, but sometimes you do
love a mess, and there is the like, oh, it's
so bad, it's good kind of thing. No, this wasn't that,
because it still is kind of bad, and it still
is kind of and I use the word stupid to
be honest, but it can be stupid fun and that
can be a way to enjoy a movie. And again, like,

(01:20:36):
if someone asked me, would you recommend this, I wouldn't
not recommend it. And trust me, there are some movies
that have come out recently I'm like just telling friends
stay away from this. It's a waste of time. I
wouldn't tell people to stay away from this. I just
would tell especially hardcore fans of the original, this is
not going to be on par with that, and the
new characters are not going to have the same weight
that I hold, the same weight that the original ones did.

Speaker 3 (01:20:58):
And can I just show one last thing about this
so you know, it's so interesting to me because like
the idea of having to recommend it, I would recommend
it to everybody, because I have not been able to
predict anyone's reaction to this, and I'm pretty good, like
I know people's taste and I can pretty much guess
whether someone's going to like something or not. Every single
person I have, you know, been trying to figure out
like they've they've surprised me in their reaction and like

(01:21:20):
it's just such a divisive movie people. No one has
the same same opinions as as somebody else. It's so
interesting just how this movie is just this weird thing
that it's you know, coming onto the scene and everyone
is looking at it differently.

Speaker 2 (01:21:34):
I don't know. Yeah, No, that's a good we're talking
about it and we all have you know, I don't
know what you if, or if you had any expectations
of what our opinion would be didn't match what you
thought we were going to think.

Speaker 3 (01:21:45):
No, So I so I told Jacob I was like, well,
I don't want to be like the I don't want
to be like the DeBie Downer on the podcast. You know,
I thought that you guys would. I thought that you'd
be a little bit more positive than I was. But
we seem to match each other's energy.

Speaker 2 (01:21:58):
Yeah, yeah, I think. Yeah, just again, I went in
fully expecting. I mean I clapped when Tim you were
next to me. I clapped when I Know what you
did last summer came on the screen, like I.

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
Was all, I know, no type.

Speaker 2 (01:22:09):
Tim looked at me like, uh yeah, took like that's
how much of a fan I am and how excited
I was. And then by the end, yeah I did,
I was. Kim was embarrassed. He's cowary. Like anyway, Ryan,
this has been so much fun. I hope you have
enjoyed yourself on our show. It's so fun because you

(01:22:29):
have such great insight on the things, and you're a
true fan like like us, of these movies, and so
I'm so glad that we had you on specifically for
this episode. We will definitely have you on again before
we go. Tell everyone like your socials where they can
find your podcast and all that, so.

Speaker 3 (01:22:44):
You can find me at scream with RCS across all
social media platforms, and I'm scream with Ryancy Showers on
all podcast platforms. So please check me out if you
can stomach, because, like you know, I mean, people probably
have seen my opinions and they're probably annoyed by me.
That's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:22:59):
Well okay, Well, first off, like, no one should be
annoyed by someone else's opinion, because it's just an opinion,
you know, like yours. I got to know by Tim's opinion. No, no,
I mean it doesn't reflect on who you are as
a person. Also, I have been dying to ask you
what does the sea stand for? And Ryan Sea Showers
Christian is that your middle name? Yeah, Ryan Kristen Showers.

Speaker 3 (01:23:23):
All, I was thinking Charles Charles what a by like
seventy eight notes?

Speaker 2 (01:23:28):
Oh, Tim's like, that's my middle name, that's exactly Charles Murdoch. No,
it's David, it is. Oh and my middle name is Brooks. Anyway,
that's how we'll end it. So anyway you know her
middle name? Yay, middle names? Okay, thank you again Ryan
for coming on the show. We really appreciate it. Thanks
to everyone for listening. And bye, I know you did

(01:23:49):
last summer. Thanks for listening to another episode of Happy
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