Ep 269: Horror’s Secret Weapon

Zach Cregger, Writer/Director of 2022’s “Barbarian,” is back with another insanely unique horror mystery… this time about a class full of kids disappearing into the night with arms outstretched. Tune in to hear us break down “Weapons” — from all the moments that creeped us out, to every twist we didn’t see coming, and the character we can’t stop raving about – Aunt Gladys!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Welcome to Happy Hord Time. My name is Tim Murda.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmert. And if you're wondering
why my voice sounds different, it's because I'm a little
under the weather.

Speaker 1 (00:20):
Yay breddey. Hey.

Speaker 2 (00:22):
You know what's funny is that it sounds like I'm
trying to make it almost sounds like my voice like
I'm trying to make it sound different, but I'm really
just talking. And let's tell everyone why I'm under the weather.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
Why are you under the weather.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
We had a jam packed weekend last weekend, and we
posted some pictures about this. But one of the things
that we did was we went to the forty fifth
anniversary Friday, the thirteenth, Crystal Lake Nightmares Convention.

Speaker 1 (00:51):
Yes, it was amazing, And that was just coming off
a trip from Vegas. So he was like, boom boom
boom boom boom sick. Oh my god, to make me cough.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
Okay, Tim's right. We went from going to Vegas and
meeting up with Jacob's family coming back, and I think
we you know, when you're in Vegas around all those casinos,
they're built, the coughing, they're smoking, they're doing all sorts
of stuff, and there's that, there's that, And then the
day of the convention, I was feeling like ass but
I was like, we have to go because so many

(01:24):
of the people we had interviewed were there. And boy
did I make the right decision, because even though I
felt like a bleach it afterwards, we met so many
people that we interviewed.

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Right, Yes, Oh my gosh, I was in heaven because
I don't know if you've ever listened to this podcast
for my thirteenth is my favorite series, So is it?
It is? And I've been trying to get it across
all these three hundred episodes. I just didn't haven't it
hasn't come through you'd listen to me. No, But but
I knew. First off, I knew how important this was
to Tim.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
Secondly, I knew that there were so many people there
that we had interviewed, and so we went down there.
We drove an hour to Lax, which is the airport
in LA that if you don't live in LA, the
airport is nowhere near where anyone lives.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
No one wants to go there. And I had the
honor of driving, and I felt really bad for Matt,
But you know, he's under the weather. So I thought
I'd do my part in like have my sick friend
just sit there and be sick. But I'm not a
good driver, and it took us like not even on
the freeway, which I was like all about the freeway
and usually I'm not, so it was taken as like
the most zig zaggy way ever. And I was Matt
saw some side of me that he's never seen.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
I let me just tell you listeners, I have never
seen Tim so aggressive. Like it was like like he
was asserting himself, yelling at people on the road like
Tim was he unleashed like the beast.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
It wasn't. It was like Linda Blair, but before she
was possessed, but then she's.

Speaker 2 (02:47):
Always like cute and nice, right right, that's no, no, no,
that's Tim before.

Speaker 1 (02:51):
But I was like, fucking horror. I might have said that.

Speaker 2 (02:56):
A few times. I think it was really funny. To
be honest, it gave me some entertainment as I was
feeling like shit.

Speaker 1 (03:02):
But like I feel like.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
I turned it on because number one, no, you really
really did did. I didn't want to.

Speaker 1 (03:07):
Be a downer. We only had a few hours. Well
we didn't have that because I kind of tripleed book
to myself because we had an interview and then we
had the convention, and we also had to get down
to the givention, which that's a huge obstacle within itself,
and then back and then back, and then I had
to at four o'clock, I had to meet my friend

(03:27):
to go see a screening of the fortieth anniversary of
Pee Wee's Big Adventure at Warner Brothers where it was filmed.
So there was just it was so much on my
plate and MAT just had to go home and go
to bath.

Speaker 2 (03:39):
I went home and look if I if we didn't
have the convention, of course, I would have just stayed
in bed all day after our interview, but I needed
to go to this convention. I made the right decision
because first off, we met Kimberly Beck, who finally our
first official interview was Kimberly back episode twenty back in
twenty twenty, and she is amazing. We've stayed in touch

(04:00):
with her since that interview and to be able to
finally meet her in person, she was the sweetest. We
saw Robbie Morgan, who literally could be one of our
family members.

Speaker 1 (04:09):
Oh my gosh, I you know we bonded with her,
but you know, you never really know someone. I mean, yes,
there's zoom sure, but like she really I was talking
to her like.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
I was like her she was our aunt.

Speaker 1 (04:19):
Yeah, like I was like, and she.

Speaker 2 (04:21):
Kept hugging us, like I wanted to be like, Okay,
you got to keep your distance. I also didn't want
to scare but like she was so sweet. She's like,
make sure you say bye before you leave. We saw
Lauren Marie Taylor, who was.

Speaker 1 (04:30):
Just as sweet awesome.

Speaker 2 (04:32):
She was also like she's so like into the Friday
the Thirteenth culture and she was so sweet, and she
and Robbie were telling us that they want to buy
Happy Horror Time.

Speaker 1 (04:43):
T shirts Like that was very flattering, very flattering, and
I was like they didn't need to say that. No,
the you know what was really nice. I mean, I
guess if we're going to meet anyone we don't know
or someone that listens to the podcast, it would be
at a frid thirteenth convention. Because as soon as the
elevators opened, there was a really nice guy that said
he goes, I listen to your pod.

Speaker 2 (05:00):
Yes, and like again, it's like it couldn't have been
a better welcome because like, you know, we we we've
gotten recognized a few times here and there in LA
but like, you know, a few and so just someone
to say, like, oh, I know your podcast. You guys
are happy horror time, right, and we're like yeah. So
it was cool. It was totally an ego boost. And
by the way, I apologize.

Speaker 1 (05:20):
I couldn't even get into the hotel at that point.
My head was so big.

Speaker 2 (05:24):
I was gonna say, I apologize if I'm gonna have
to take a bunch of SIPs of water so I
can keep myself in my coffee, I'm so sorry. But
I wanted to do this episode, not push it off.
But we also met Barbara Bingham from Part eight, who
we had interviewed a few years ago. We met, We
saw all the people we've seen before. We met Amy
Steele we had met before, and Russell Todd who we

(05:47):
also Larry Zerner, Tracy Savage, Kerrie Keegan Jensen Daggett who
we would love to interview next.

Speaker 1 (05:57):
What was the name from the girl from Fred thirteen
parts day Jason Lives, Carrie Noonan, Carrie Noonan, Yeah, from
part six. I mean, there were so many people there
and we just didn't have enough time to say hi
to everyone. I was personally overwhelmed because it was like,
this was my time to go around and talk to everyone,
but you know, I had to get home for pee wee.
So you know, it was a pressure cooker situation because

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we're like, Okay, we want to hit every single person
we've interviewed, and we also want to meet the new people.
It was tough. It was tough.

Speaker 2 (06:25):
We tried to prioritize the people we had interviewed and
not met in the past, just because you know, it
was our chance. And so that's why we went like
right to Kimberly Back, Amy Steele, Robbie Morgan, people we
had seen on zoom but not met in person. Then
we started thinking, oh, we can maybe network and get
some more interviews, which then we started to do and
we're getting information from people and so yeah, we'll see,

(06:48):
we're going to hopefully we'll have a good batch of
new Friday the thirteenth interviews coming up in the next
few months.

Speaker 1 (06:53):
I forgot I did meet I did meet Amy Steele
back in two thousand and five. You liar, no, no, no,
I had never met her. She was hilarious just at
the Measley twenty fifth anniversary.

Speaker 2 (07:05):
And also like so many of these people look so good,
Like I mean, it's just they don't like I don't
feel like Amy Steel, Lauren Retaylor.

Speaker 1 (07:13):
They don't look like they've aged at all. It's it's
it's unca, it really is. I think they're either throwing.

Speaker 2 (07:19):
On but it's not like plastic surgeries. It's just like
they take care of themselves and they're just all such nice.

Speaker 1 (07:29):
As we were as we were talking to these wonderful
ladies that we love and we've interviewed, like behind us
was like Paul Kratka, who plays what's his name in
the movie Oh God, I don't know, I know this
hang on Chris's boyfriend. Yeah Chris. Anyways, she gets his
head squeezed in his eyeball falls, but it was like yes,
so like he I can't. This is gonna make me

(07:51):
so mad that I don't. Okay. So as as we
were talking, like there is Paul Kratka right behind us,
and like it's just it's just it's a very surreal thing.
Like all these actors that you grew up wreck, how
could you forget?

Speaker 2 (08:08):
You know what I'm taking the Friday the thirteenth card away.

Speaker 1 (08:10):
From Oh my god, I know I dropped the ball.
I was you know, I think it's because you just
made me sick.

Speaker 2 (08:16):
That is a good that makes me cough.

Speaker 1 (08:18):
It's so funny.

Speaker 2 (08:19):
But I know what you're saying. It's like we were
overwhelmed because, Okay, let's say we had all the time
in the world, we would have started with the people
we've interviewed, gone up to new people and probably tried
to say, like, we'll interview all of you, Like we couldn't.

Speaker 1 (08:30):
We wanted to talk to Melanie Kidney, and we wanted
to talk to Frank thirteen, Tom McLaughlin, Broakland, Billy Butler,
William Butler's that's that's the same person.

Speaker 2 (08:40):
William Butler, Billy but I also want to start to.

Speaker 1 (08:42):
Lawrence Monison and go up to and call him a
dead fuck.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Well he calls Chrispin and you know what, weird enough,
Chrispin Glover wasn't there.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Either was Codman.

Speaker 2 (08:52):
Neither was Kevin Bacon.

Speaker 1 (08:53):
Who's the guy that was in the show you watch Scandal,
Tony Goldwin.

Speaker 2 (08:59):
There's always like the big stars from the Friday the
Thirteenth series who just like don't go to the conventions.
I would love it if just once Bacon.

Speaker 1 (09:07):
Show, Kevin Bacon could just show up one day, because
he is proud of his Friday thirteenth route he.

Speaker 2 (09:12):
Does and he jokes about it. His family did a
video on TikTok last year where they like reenacted like
I think the Aero death or something like, so he
is obviously embraced it.

Speaker 1 (09:21):
Here's the problem. The problem is that no one wants
to go to Lax ever. And this hotel was right
next to Lax So if there wasn't a big turnout,
it's because the location, location location. I said that on our.

Speaker 2 (09:35):
Together episode Oh my God, which was last week. Yeah,
and if you haven't listened to our review of Together,
you can watch it now on YouTube.

Speaker 1 (09:42):
And that doesn't sound this way.

Speaker 2 (09:44):
Yeah, and I don't sound as wee be as this
was pret sick anyway. Yeah, great convention. Glad that we went.
I will say I wish I was feeling better and
I wish it was not.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
You held up very nicely on the day. I didn't
even know you were sick during that one hour we
were at that airport, lax Hill.

Speaker 2 (10:00):
It's called adrenaline. Yeah, I mean it's also acting in
a way. It's like people always ask us, like what
goes into an interview, and we actually people always ask us, now, no, no,
when people ask us about interviews, it's like, other than
the research we do beforehand for the questions, part of
doing the interview is like, you know, putting on a
very happy, energetic face, and that takes a lot of energy,

(10:23):
to be honest, and so doing that at a convention
for an hour, it's the same sort of thing, like
you turn on the happy face and the energy, and
then as soon as it's done, you just crash.

Speaker 1 (10:34):
Yeah. It's kind of like when you get off the
plane from Christmas break, like you just had family fun,
family drinks, and then right when you get home, you're like,
you're sick for New Year's It's exactly like anytime I
get home from a vacation, I'm sick because I've liked you. Ever,
technically you were on a vacation.

Speaker 2 (10:49):
Yeah, a quick little Vegas weekend. Okay, So moving on
to the movie we are discussing this week. God, I
am so excited to discuss this because I'm just gonna
start by saying I loved this movie. It is called Weapons,
and let me just tell you everything I was thinking
going into it. I was completely surprised by how it
turned out. I thought it was both really creepy and

(11:14):
really unique and really funny and just very engaging, like
all of those things at once. And it's hard to
you know, you can have a horror movie that's kind
of scary, or horror movie that's a little funny, or
horror moy that's really gory, or like a few of
these things. But it just felt like it was able
to bend all of those things together into this like

(11:34):
magnificent mystery that I absolutely loved.

Speaker 1 (11:38):
I agree with everything you said, and except I know,
I actually I didn't gather anything scary from the trailer.
I mean, I'm sorry, I sorry. Let me back that up.
The kids disappearing, Like, I didn't gather what this story
was from the trailer at all. So like people are like, oh,
I don't want to watch the trailer or Rooin for me,
I don't think it does. No.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
That's another thing that I want to say is that
just like Barbarian, yes, the kids disappearing is the focal
point or the mystery of the movie. But just like Barbarian,
it goes off into so many different directions that none
of the trailers gave away nothing. In fact, I think,
and we'll get into its more, but Amy Madigan's character

(12:19):
of Gladys was not in any trailer.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
I didn't even know she was in it exactly the
way they I mean, we'll get into it, but the
way they first gave her screen time was like reveal.

Speaker 2 (12:32):
Yeah, And so it was great, and I in a way,
I kind of wish more movies would do that, Like,
for instance, if they're gonna give us a new Halloween movie,
give us like some of the initial story in the
trailer and show a couple things, but keep some of
the meat of like the climactic battle out of the trail.

Speaker 1 (12:48):
I'm actually curious, does it say her name on like.

Speaker 2 (12:55):
I think it does, but it doesn't. You don't know,
She's never been talked about in the marketing. It's all
been about Julia Garner and Josh Brolin and Benedict Wong
and like an Alden evera.

Speaker 1 (13:08):
Interesting, it's the number one movie right now, and it's
like these three are usually not the stars that open films.
I mean, but that's this is so awesome because it's
very it's a story driven original, it's not a sequel,
it's not a reboot, it's something brand new and a rea.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
It's original horror. And Julia Garner, I will say, has
she okay? First off, I love Julia Garner. I've loved
her since Ozark. She's incredible as an actress. She's had
hits and not as big a hits like Wolfman was
not a hit. But she's not afraid to do a
lot of genre films, as Jamie Lee Curtis would say.
She did Apartment seven A.

Speaker 1 (13:46):
I loved Apartment seven A. I remember. Yeah, it's on
Paramount Plus.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
Check it out, check it out. I mean it's the
Rosemary's Baby prequel, so it's very good. But she's like
a one of those like horror people that has been
doing a lot of great stuff. Josh Brolin's been around
since Gooney.

Speaker 1 (14:02):
I love Josh Brolin. I think he's such a handsome guy.
And I love that his dad was in the original Amityville. Yes,
and it's tidy whities.

Speaker 2 (14:11):
And don't forget he's married to barbar Streisand.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
I don't think anyone cares who.

Speaker 2 (14:15):
Sings people and don't rain on my parade.

Speaker 1 (14:18):
I actually I actually think he's still cool today, like
when he does interviews, like he's not.

Speaker 2 (14:22):
Hoity toity James Brolin or Josh Brolin or Bold both?
Is there a does Josh Brolin have kids?

Speaker 1 (14:28):
And does he have a gym? I think he was
married to Diane Lane for like a minute and they
might have had children.

Speaker 2 (14:33):
I think he probably had Oh he has Oh no,
it doesn't look like oh wait four children including Eden
Brolin that he should have a j in there, like
Jim Brolin. So it's no James is Jim so James Roland,
Josh Brolin and Jack Sprolin or Jason Jason anyway. So okay,
so let's jump into weapons. Because we were just so

(14:57):
excited about this movie and just so pleased, and I
think the marketing was great because it was so creepy.

Speaker 1 (15:04):
I agree you and I actually want to see it
again as we just don't have to start talking about it.
I was like, you know, maybe there was something I miss.

Speaker 2 (15:10):
Oh, there's tons of stuff, little things that I didn't miss.
And I mean that I didn't miss that I did
miss because like you're fixated on different things and the
funny thing was is the creepy scenes were really creepy,
and the funny scenes were really funny. And I will
say there were parts when I was like, is this
getting too funny? But then I remember that, like you know,
life is never all one thing, you know, like you

(15:33):
go through different moments and things during the day, like
something funny will happen, and then something scary and sometimes
something awful happens, and then something funny happened. So I
was like, actually it's not. But I will say my
only complaint with this was our audience that we saw
this with the movie, our audience was laughing at everything.

(15:55):
Now I get it a horror movie that has some
kind of obscure things, people are gonna laugh. But there
were times when I was just like they were laughing
and it didn't need to and it took me out
of like some of the scarier parts they were laughing
and I was just like enough with the laughter.

Speaker 1 (16:10):
No, they really got into it, which I like, I
do like an audience that gets into it, but like
inappropriate laughing feels No. It was a full house, which
I love. And do we see it? We saw the
night before it opens, Yes, yes, so it's like we're
seeing it like anyone that's there the night before it opens,
they're like, diehard really excited. So we were excited, and
apparently a lot of other people were. But as we

(16:30):
were sitting there, there was a point I totally agree
with you where I was like, has this audience seen
a movie before? Yeah?

Speaker 2 (16:36):
Like, I'm not like like they'd flash the name of
one of the characters, because one cool thing about this
movie is that it cycles through different characters' perspectives and
their stories and the way they saw what happened, and
it all connects. But sometimes it would just like flash
someone's name and the audience we'd be like, aha, I'm like,
what's funny.

Speaker 1 (16:52):
About I was like, when you put a name like Alex.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
Like it's like literally like the first time they had
been out in in decades and some the pandemic, So
that was a little annoying. Again, I don't need people
to be quiet. I want them to interact with the movie,
but like, if it's a scary part and people are
just laughing, it undercuts it.

Speaker 1 (17:12):
From me, I've been very lucky with all my movie
going experiences that I've had great audiences, and I can't
really sap. I mean, this was a little rough, but
I mean other I mean, I can't really fault an
audience from laughing.

Speaker 2 (17:23):
No, No, it's it's just that like again. And I'm
because I don't have a lot to complain about with
this movie, because I enjoyed it so much. But the
only things that took a little bit of the enjoyment
away for me were when I was really spooked by
certain parts and then I'm hearing people laugh and I'm
looking around, like, what's funny.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
Well, I think it's a defense mechanism. Yeah, I think
I'm guilty of it, because I think when you're nervous,
you're just going.

Speaker 2 (17:47):
Like the nervous laughter.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
Yeah, so maybe we were just hearing a lot of
nervous laughter.

Speaker 2 (17:52):
We could have. And then the fact is is that
a lot of people would rather laugh than like show
themselves being terrified or it's screaming, oh God, sniff in
your fingers.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
Oh.

Speaker 2 (18:03):
A superstar Molly Shannon.

Speaker 1 (18:05):
Oh, by the way, she's a Dansom of the Opera.

Speaker 2 (18:08):
Yeah, her first movie was Phantom of the Opera. That
is your.

Speaker 1 (18:12):
Meg.

Speaker 2 (18:14):
Meg. Okay, let's get into this movie. So, okay, the
initial plot that you just need to know. And it
starts with the voiceover of a little girl telling us
the story, which I thought was kind of smart because
it's like, this is the whole point of the movie
is did.

Speaker 1 (18:27):
You ever see this little girl?

Speaker 2 (18:28):
No, but she was just telling the story. And basically
she says, at two seventeen am, seventeen children from one
third grade classroom got out of bed, went downstairs, and
ran out of their house into the night with their
arms like this, like their airplanes really weird. And they
just started running and they never returned. And that's what

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we're left with. And we all know this from the marketing.
This is the whole point the post.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Yeah, so they got.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
Kind of rid of this right at the beginning. So
then we get we get kind of pulled into the story.
And the first character they focus on is the teacher
of that third grade classroom. Her name was Justine Gandy.
Oh I thought it was Candy, No Gandy. Just what
a candy, Miss Candy? Hey, miss Candy.

Speaker 1 (19:15):
Can I have a cane? Hey Candy Cane? Okay, Candy Cane.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Oh my god, I could do that voice now, yeah,
Candy Cane? Like that that the truck driver extra extra
congested voice. Okay, so we get to know a little
bit about She's played by Julia Garner, and.

Speaker 1 (19:33):
I might recognize her from Ozark. We're having justin Timberlake Hare.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
She really does in Saint justin Timberlake Hare, but like
that was her Ozark hair, So I was used to it.

Speaker 1 (19:44):
I think it was bigger for you because you didn't watch.
No I did. I watched season one and I gave
up on season two. Even though that like wraps everything up.
I'm like, no, I'll just there's.

Speaker 2 (19:52):
Four season there's four okay, Okay, So Miss Gandy. Only
one student from her class shows up on the day
that they all went missing, named Alex, And so we
find out that obviously the police talked a ton to
Alex and a ton to Justine the teacher, because they're like,

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why would only your students disappear?

Speaker 1 (20:16):
What's going on?

Speaker 2 (20:17):
And the sad thing is is that you kind of
feel for her because the whole town that she's responsible,
and to be honest, I would too.

Speaker 1 (20:25):
Yeah, I mean, like, you just can't have seventeen kids
disappear in the middle of the night at two seventeen
from one class, from one class, except for one little
boy and one teacher, like you would think that. My
first thought was like, oh, the teacher told them to
do exactly.

Speaker 2 (20:39):
And the thing is so the reason why I felt sympathetic.
But then I was trying to not that I'm a parent,
but I was trying to put my mind in the
mindset of the parents. And of course you would be like,
what were you telling these kids? There's the only commonality
is that all these kids were in your class. And
she is very like, she tries to stay out of

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she tries to stay out of the limelight. Finally, the
principal puts her on leave because he's like, you know,
you're making people upset and nervous, and she doesn't get it.
And all she wants to do is talk with Alex
the student. But the principals like, stay away from Allee,
right right. He's like, if you do anything, don't do
that exactly. So she kind of spirals a little. She
starts drinking.

Speaker 1 (21:20):
I actually didn't know that she had prior drinking issues.
So like when she walks into the store and gets
size form, yeah, I was like, oh, I was like, okay,
well maybe because I know that like people use that
to cope, but they're not like a alcoholic.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
So when I think I knew she was spiraling when
she was chugging from.

Speaker 1 (21:38):
Oh yeah, yeah, Yeah, that's a lie.

Speaker 2 (21:40):
She was chugging from the bottle. What sucks is they
have a really spooky scene where someone is approaching her
house and You're like, is this something related to the
missing kid?

Speaker 1 (21:49):
Don't they bang on the door?

Speaker 2 (21:50):
Yes, they bang on the door to scare her, and
then they spray paint witch on her car. Now that
was a little much, but at the same time, like
people are grieving, it was like.

Speaker 1 (22:00):
She was trying to wash it off and I was like,
none of it's coming off, and then she just decides
to drive around with it. But yeah, why does she
not come?

Speaker 2 (22:08):
I think at that point it's not like everyone knew
who she was in this town and knew what happened,
So she's like, what am I hiding?

Speaker 1 (22:15):
Wait? When she was doing her detective work and like
trying to watch Alex go in and out of the
school and whatsoe and like go to his house, just
trying to get clues of what might possibly be going on,
she still had that car, saying which yeah, and she
we ended up seeing like a like she meets up
with an old fling who is the cop and the
cop is his name was I can't remember what his name?

Speaker 2 (22:38):
Oh, Paul, Paul. She meets up with Paul, who's married
but still has like an affair with her and sleeps
with her, and it's just like it's just a bad situation. First,
so she's spiraling a lite, right, and.

Speaker 1 (22:48):
So his not that this this is such a subplot,
like no one cares, but like he's clearly has cheated
on her in the past with this teacher, I'm assuming.

Speaker 2 (22:57):
Yes, yes, this is like his go to cheating, right right,
go to cheating, Go to cheat, go to cheat.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
Like and it's June Diane Raphael. She's super, super funny.
She has a podcast called Bitches. She plays she.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Plays Paul's wife, and there is a funny scene it
has nothing to do with the plot, but where she
confronts Julia Garner in a store and pours liquor all
over her.

Speaker 1 (23:20):
I thought she was gonna light her on five too.
I thought it was gonna be one of these.

Speaker 2 (23:23):
But then I was like, Okay, that movie would have
gone craik right.

Speaker 1 (23:26):
I mean, she knew this movie you didn't know where
it was going.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
Didn't. But let's get back to the creepy part. So
first off, well, because that was kind of like the
funny part, Julia Garner is also having nightmares, which a
teacher who lost all these students would, where she's appearing
in her class and all the students have their heads
down except for Alex, who like raises it up. But
then there was one part that literally scared the shit
out of me because she leans back in her bed

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and she sees and I'm not gonna say what it
is yet to at that point it looked to me
like some evil clown.

Speaker 1 (24:00):
It did, and that was kind of like, oh, I
don't want another clown. There's it is. I feel like
there's more, Oh, terrifier, Oh.

Speaker 2 (24:07):
My god, of course. But the way they film, and
this I give to Zach Kraigor, the director writer who
did a Barbarian. The way they film her laying back
and see the image of this creepy, clownish looking figure
with red hair on her ceiling for just a second
like smiling at her scared the shit out of me
like that in the music cue together scared, I.

Speaker 1 (24:28):
Agree, Well, actually I thought there's a very similar dream
sequence that I actually jumped. That one was a little
more freaky to me.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
So no, no, no, so well so almost with the
juwe so Julia Garner's part. Then there's another thing is
she is following this student, Alice, because she's just like,
why was he the only one that showed up? Is
everything okay? She follows him his home. She sees that
his home all of the windows are covered with newspaper.

Speaker 1 (24:53):
Not a good sign, right, that's not a good sign.
And like the it looks like there's been like a
lot of newspapers there. No one is like the lawn nothing.
She is able to peek in and she sees and it's.

Speaker 2 (25:04):
So creepily done to Alex's parents sitting there just like this,
completely still in the dark, staring at nothing, and it
freaks her out. But she still decides to do like
detective work. And she ends up like sitting in her
car outside, so she falls asleep in her car.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
She wouldn't have fallen asleep, but she kept putting into
her little like sippy cup and she is drunk, passed
out and in a scene which might be the creepiest
scene in this movie, we.

Speaker 2 (25:34):
See from far and again, the camera angles in this
movie are so well done. The front door of Alex's
house open, a woman with messed up blonde hair come
outside holding a pair of scissors and start running toward
her car. I got the chills, sneaks into the back
seat of her car, sneaks up behind her, and cuts

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a piece of her hair off.

Speaker 1 (25:57):
Where where the audience with nuts is when they heard
the door open. Oh my god, the audience that was like,
I'm getting the chills thinking about it, because the audience
reacted appropriate at that time. They were all gasping, remember,
and then then kind of, I know what you did
last summer nineteen ninety seven. She clips her hair, Yeah,
TETs a piece of hair. Now, she could have slid
her throat right. I was like, well, okay, this is
not about killing. It's about well, yeah it is, but

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it isn't.

Speaker 2 (26:21):
Yeah, it's about other stuff. But okay. So then we
switched to the perspective of Josh Brolin's character, and Josh
Brolan's character is named Archer, and he happens to be
the dad of one of the missing kids. So we
go back to his.

Speaker 1 (26:35):
Kid's a little shit. Yeah, his kid was.

Speaker 2 (26:37):
A bully, but you know, he is one of like
the angriest parents, especially at Julia Garner. He thinks she's responsible.
We find out because we follow him the day that
somebody spray painted witch on her car and guess what
it was him, because that's gonna bring your kid.

Speaker 1 (26:52):
Well. He was so spacey because like he goes to
his job site. They're like, hey, you were supposed to
get some green paint and he's like, you got red
and they're like, hey, you forgot to order this. So clearly,
you know, having a missing child takes a lot out
of it, exactly.

Speaker 2 (27:05):
And he's also having nightmares and he you can see
he has some sort.

Speaker 1 (27:09):
Of guilt complex.

Speaker 2 (27:10):
And I got the feeling I was gonna ask what
you got the feeling that he wasn't nice enough to
his kid and he was regretting, like he kept saying
I love you in his nightmare, like he hadn't said
it enough to I mean, I.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
Did watch the movie. Did they show his wife barely? Okay,
because I don't remember Bolan's wife at all.

Speaker 2 (27:28):
I thought I saw her in the house, but I
was thinking the same thing, like why isn't the wife
grieving unless I missed it and maybe he was a
single parent.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
It's probably because Josh Bolan's a big star.

Speaker 2 (27:37):
He's a big star. They're like, hey, we can't even
get a wife from Okay. So he is having he
has a nightmare, and he keeps having a nightmare, like
seeing his kid fleeing with the hands out and everything.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
Wait, she sits in front of a laptop and watches
it over and over and over.

Speaker 2 (27:51):
Dome. Yeah, he is trying to study his kid's movements,
and he even goes over and tries to watch footage
of and they have a nice little fun cameo. Justin
Long from Barbarian is in this movie for about two minutes.
He plays another parent and his wife is Sarah Paxton.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
Yes, Sarah Packson from Shark Knight and she did so
Oh she did the remake of Last House on the
Left two thousand and nine, which both I can't say
Shark Knight's a disturbing film, but definitely the Last House
on the Left.

Speaker 2 (28:18):
Yes, Last House on the Left was disturbing.

Speaker 1 (28:20):
So weird because like those are movies, Like she's a teenager,
so to now see her as a distressed mother. Yeah,
I was like, oh, this is life goes on it.

Speaker 2 (28:29):
I mean we are at the distressed parentage. Yeah, so
they play parents, and Josh Brolin is funny. He like
maneuvers his way in to see their footage of their
kid and basically he's trying to figure out where did
all the kids go? Did they cross paths? He's really
doing his own detective work because nobody trust the cops
in this movie.

Speaker 1 (28:47):
Actually the cops are useless only because anytime you want
to ask what's going on, they're like, we're on top
of it.

Speaker 2 (28:53):
Yeah, they it's but it's like cops in everything in life,
Like if you ever watch a true crime documentary how often?
And I know you don't watch them as much as
I watch them all the time, but it's like, for
years cops are always saying like, we have more leads,
we're on top of it, we're on top of it,
and nothing happens. And then it's like has to be
some sort of anonymous tip or something that it's just

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I don't know the cops. I feel like they do
their search and then they're.

Speaker 1 (29:17):
Like, eh, well you know got a clock out. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (29:20):
So Josh Brolin, though, he there's a really scary scene
with him where he sees his kid. He thinks in
bed and he thinks his kid is back, and he
goes to touch him and when he turns him over,
it's the same creepy clownish face that Julia Garner saw
and it's terrified.

Speaker 1 (29:38):
Yeah, and then okay, so the audience gets really scared
and then he goes, what the fuck?

Speaker 2 (29:42):
Well, he wakes up from his nightmare and he says,
what the.

Speaker 1 (29:45):
Fuck it was like the audience was it real quick turnaround.
It was like surprised and like everyone's like oh, and
then they laughed.

Speaker 2 (29:52):
There was also one really weird thing in his nightmare.
I don't know if you remembered this.

Speaker 1 (29:57):
But I okay, I know where you're going with when
he saw a cloud that turned.

Speaker 2 (30:02):
Into like an AK forty seven gun.

Speaker 1 (30:05):
Okay, So I did some thinking about this, okay, Okay.
So the movie is called Weapons, Yes, and it was
a gun, which is a weapon. Like, okay, I don't
want to jump too far ahead. So the person that
is responsible responsible is using everyone as weaponary I make
them do horrible things.

Speaker 2 (30:26):
Yeah, yeah, yeah, I mean I definitely knew that in
terms of weaponizing very specific with guess what I meant
like it was weird for me because so I've read
a few articles and some people think this movie is
an allegory for school shootings. I actually don't think it is.
And I read that Zach Kraiger said it wasn't meant
to be social commentary, but he's not going to dismiss
people's interpretations. With that said, if you put a big

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image of an AR fifteen or a semi automatic weapon
in your movie in a dream, you obviously are intending something.

Speaker 1 (30:59):
Now, again, it's very specific, like it's not just kind
of like a cloud with like kind of looks like
a gun. It was literally like a gun.

Speaker 2 (31:08):
And I get it. It's like maybe that could just
be metaphorically saying that, like whoever's responsible is using these
kids as weapons. But it was very weird that it
was that gun. So I think it's really up for interpretation.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
It was cool because like he was running and then
it ran right into like his house with the door open, right,
or someone's house. Yeah, it was his house, So he
was running out of his house into his house with
a door open, right. I don't know, because it's a dream,
because you can do.

Speaker 2 (31:41):
Everything in a dream, Like I think that it was
he in his nightmare. He was kind of following his
kid and hoping he could stop him, but he wasn't
able to what the gun meant. I'm not so sure,
but I think there's so many other things done pack
in this movie that it's like the gun reference for
me was like, Okay.

Speaker 1 (31:58):
Where this movie really succeeds. It is because every the
streets in the town and everything kind of look like
every town USA. Yeah. So I wasn't like a glossy like,
oh that's Pasadena, you know what I mean, Like, it
wasn't looking like La No, not like that they filmed elsewhere. Yes, exactly.

Speaker 2 (32:16):
So we get two other perspectives before we really get
into the meat of what is going on here. We
see the perspective first of the cop that Julia Garner
had the affair with and his day, and we see
the perspective of this. I guess he'd be like just
an addict, a drug addict.

Speaker 1 (32:33):
His name was James.

Speaker 2 (32:34):
He was like a homeless drug addict that was just
looking around for money. And they have kind of a
run in because the cop goes to arrest him accidentally
gets his finger pricked by a drug needle. And then
knocks him out.

Speaker 1 (32:48):
Right well, because there's comedy there because, like he says,
very specifically specific let me get this right, specifically, thank
you job. He said, is there anything that would puncture
me when I put my hand in? He's like no,
He goes no, and then as soon as he put
his hands in, boom, it's a.

Speaker 2 (33:03):
Needle and he punches them and then realizes, oh shit,
the dash cam was on and this is kind of
this is the probably, if there was a weaker moment
for me, this was the weaker moment because it kind
of veered from the story. Now again, their characters came
into play later, but it took a while. Like he
finally the drug dealer ends up he letting him, the

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cop lets him go, and the drug dealer ends up
in Alex's house thinking it's abandoned and he's just looking
to steal shit. He finds the parents there catatonic, and
then he goes in the basement and for the first
time we see all of the children are just standing
there catatonic in this basement.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Yeah, and it's kind of cool and they don't show
like a brightly lit base. It's just kind of like
it's like just enough that he's like, okay, kids are
in there.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
But he realizes because he's not a hero, he's not like,
oh my god, I gotta save him. He realizes there's
a fifty thousand dollars reward and he wants not money.

Speaker 1 (33:58):
I think it's so crazy that his motivation to help
children was fifty thousands.

Speaker 2 (34:02):
Oh I mean, but everything was money for him because.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
He was trying to sell like a fifty dollars iPad.
Like he's very sad.

Speaker 2 (34:09):
Yeah, it's sad. But he tries to go to the
cop station. But the one thing the cop told him
was do not show up again. Let's forget this ever happened.
So when he tries to show up at the cop station,
the cop sees him and chases him and basically finds him,
takes him in his cop car, and he's telling the
cop like, please go to this guy's house. This is
where the kids are, And in a very creepy sequence,

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he leaves James the addict in his car with his
hands handcuffs. He goes into the house to investigate. He's
gone for hours. It turns to nighttime.

Speaker 1 (34:40):
Then suddenly the door opens the same way did prior
with the lady that, and.

Speaker 2 (34:45):
He starts stumbling out like the lady did, and opens
the door and starts dragging James the addict out, and
that's all we see.

Speaker 1 (34:54):
So what No, I just feel bad because that's tough.

Speaker 2 (34:57):
It's tough. I'm trying to talk and not cough. But anyway,
so then we get to the principal whose name. The
principal's name was Marcus, right, Yes, the principal's name was Marcus.
So we get to him and we see that Julia
Garner tried to tell him what she saw in Alex's houses.
She saw these parents catatonic. She's like, you need to
do a welfare check. So he tries to contact the parents.

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Incomes this creepy looking woman with red hair in the
worst wig ever.

Speaker 1 (35:27):
It's like baby bangs in like a sweatsuit that like
Valerie Chairs would wear from the eighties. White stuff all
over her face like someone didn't rub in sunblock. Yeah,
it's like makeup done bad.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Really makeup done bad, huge sunglasses. And then right away,
did you know right away that was the clown, the
scary clown from their v I put it together too,
but I was like, oh my god, it's this scary woman.
She comes in and she says, hey, I'm Alex's great aunt.
His parents are under the weather. What do you need
And he's like, uh, I need to speak to the parents.
She's like, well they're sick, blah blah blah blah. But

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she's kooky as fuck, but not in a funny way,
in a like she creeped me out.

Speaker 1 (36:07):
Yeah, I mean like, I mean I knew that she'd
kill someone. I mean, I think that's where this was going.

Speaker 2 (36:12):
She looked insane, she acted insane. It was a superb
performance from Amy Madigan, who used to be.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
On I know her from Uncle Buck and Field of.

Speaker 2 (36:22):
Dream Field of Dreams. That's what I was thinking she
was in Field Dreams. She plays this kooky woman so well,
and the principal's looking at her like who the fuck
is this? Like where are Alex's parents? Have never met you?
You're crazy, and she finally says okay. He's like, look,
if they're not in by Monday, I'm gonna have to
go down to their house. So she's like okay, fine.

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So we get to that weekend. Poor Marcus is at
home with his husband. He's gay Tom.

Speaker 1 (36:49):
That was a nice twist.

Speaker 2 (36:50):
It wasn't.

Speaker 1 (36:50):
I mean, it's you know, I mean, is it playing
into some stereotypes? Yes? Well, I actually liked it because
it wasn't like they had to explain he's gay.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
He just happened to have a.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
Partner, right, No, I mean they I saw some some
cliche stereota, which is fine. Their house looked very fabulous,
right well, just the fact that he took a phone
call inside the grocery store and as he's pushing the cart,
his partner was like saying, like this did this. But
I mean, trust me, I know gay movements. I do
them all day.

Speaker 2 (37:17):
Gay movements.

Speaker 1 (37:19):
You know, I know a gay movement Stonewall nineteen sixty. Yeah,
that's too deep. I'm talking. I know, slash sashion. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (37:27):
Okay. So they're at home on the weekend. They're making
food and Amy Madigan shows up Gladys and he's like,
what are you doing here?

Speaker 1 (37:35):
She's like, oh, hey, I just was in the neighbor
and I thought i'd stop by. No, she said, she's
so thirsty. Oh yeah yeah, she said, I I walked.

Speaker 2 (37:42):
All the way here. I'm so thirsty. And they're like,
what are you doing here? Free? She's like can you
get me a bowl of water? They're like a glass.
She's like, no, I needed in a bowl, right.

Speaker 1 (37:51):
But the other guy, like his partner, was like he
was a little more accommodating because he hasn't doesn't deal
crazy parents.

Speaker 2 (37:58):
But Marcus is sitting looking at her, what like the
fuck's going on? Well? Then she pulls out this like
branch and we had seen this before because we did
see her. We were introduced, actually not yet, we were.
She pulls out this branch and it has all these
like prickly things on it, and she starts twisting a

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ribbon around.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
It and was a ribbon that was in his office, yes,
And Mark's like looking at it, what are you doing? What?

Speaker 2 (38:25):
That's my ribbon. Then she pricks her own hand and
it starts bleeding and she drips blood into like the bowl,
and they're like, oh my god, oh my god, stop,
what are you doing? What are you doing?

Speaker 1 (38:36):
And then she like snaps the twig and suddenly Marcus
is completely hypnotized and turns on his lover and starts
attacking him right out of nowhere. Apparently, when she does
snap the branch, that is when all hell breaks loose
and the prison becomes.

Speaker 2 (38:53):
Her weapon, her weapon. Basically she is a witch and
is able to weaponize these. But he, in the most
violent way, starts bashing his own husband's head in with
his head, and you know.

Speaker 1 (39:07):
The movie's radidar audio, Oh, yes, okay, because then this
is when I knew the movie was radi ar, because
it goes over and over and over and like, I'm
sure his skull hitting the other guy's skull.

Speaker 2 (39:15):
Like, how did his skull not back, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
Apparently it's a little stronger because the other guy's face
started to turn too much bashed.

Speaker 2 (39:22):
In and again, as an audience member, you're sitting there
in absolute shock, like because there was no warning that
this was gonna happen or how it was happened. But
then she takes that lock of Justine Julia Garner's hair,
twists it around the branch and snaps it again, and
suddenly he runs out of the house. And now he's

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off to go get Justine and he's running through Now
you've seen this in the trailers. His eyes are all
fucked up, blood on it. He's running with it with
his hands like this, and he sees Julia Garner is
with Josh Brolin. They were arguing at a gas station
and he runs and just tackles her and starts choking her.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Josh Brolin finally is on her side and helps her,
and she runs into the store like.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
Like there is a great sequence in the store where
she's just running away from him, and he is like,
it was like the only way I can describe it
as a rabid dog.

Speaker 1 (40:13):
Yeah, Like he won't stop, and like I love that
the owners like he goes, hey, don't don't come in here,
Like it's amazing to me that no one's really helping
her except for Josh Browlan no.

Speaker 2 (40:22):
Like, And it's funny because Josh Brolin was the one
who thought she was responsible. But when he sees this
craziness happening, obviously he's not gonna let this guy kill her.
So he keeps trying to stop him, but literally, Marcus
will not stop. He keeps going after Julia Garner. She
even drives away and he runs after her car and
then he gets slammed by a car into much right.

Speaker 1 (40:41):
And so Josh Brolin sees all this unfold and he's like, Okay.

Speaker 2 (40:44):
Something's going on here. And the best part is is
that this kind of brings them together, and it's kind
of a good moment because Julia Garner is the person
you're kind of feeling sympathetic for in a way, and
he's a parent that you feel sympathetic for and you
want them to be on the same side. So they
finally joined forces in there, Like, what is going on?
Something weird is going on, and I think it has
to do with Alex's house.

Speaker 1 (41:05):
We have to go investigating, and then the movie decides
to focus.

Speaker 2 (41:09):
On Alex, so we get so then we get basically
everything we need to know to solve this mystery because
we get Alex's whole perspective, the little kid, and basically
when it started, his parents were fine, everything was good,
and suddenly you hear the mom say, my great aunt
Gladys is coming to live with us. She's very sick.
She needs help. No one's helping her. So she comes

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in and when she enters, she has this weird plant
and she's looking all weird with her red hair and makeup, Like.

Speaker 1 (41:34):
How long is she gonna stay? And the dad's kind
of been playing like, well, I guess.

Speaker 2 (41:37):
Till she dies, Like what's going on in something? One day,
Alex gets home from school, and his parents are just
catatonic at a table and Alex is like mom, dad,
and they're sort of reacting but not really, and Gladys
comes down and basically says like, if you don't, like basically,
if you want your parents to be okay, you have
to do what I say. And he's like, no, I

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want my mom and dad, and she does something thing
with her little branch and it makes both of them
start like hitting their face with a four but fast
and like the fast and fit like stabbing it, tim
stabbing it.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Oh no, like he did the little boy Alex did
throw water on his dad and like like wake up,
wake up. So okay, So now we see that everything's
pretty hopeless because Gladys has got a spell on these
two parents.

Speaker 2 (42:21):
Yeah, and Alex has to do and she said, get soup.
You're gonna have to feed them every day. Well, apparently
we find out that she's kind of living on their
life force, that she's so sick and old. She's obviously
a witch and she's using their life force. But apparently
it's not enough. So she says to him, I need more,
like people.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Get something from every student in your classroom?

Speaker 2 (42:42):
Yes, and she and he says, if I do this,
because the poor kid is scared to death. He's like,
where you leave? And she said, yes, when I feel better,
I will leave. So the day before all the kids
went missing, he takes all of their name tags from
their little cubbies and gives it to her and she
does one big spell with her bloods the cards.

Speaker 1 (43:01):
Okay, so the cards that he picks up is the
names and like, obviously the teacher walks in, wouldn't she notice?
I thought, like, I was like, wait a second, this
is something the teacher probably looks like every day, and
now she's not gonna be like, hey, Alex, it's so fair.
Did you say that?

Speaker 2 (43:17):
Because I was wondering, like, there's a part when after
he takes all the name tags, Julia Garner says like, Alex,
what are you doing in here? And he's like, oh,
I didn't want to play and she's like, are you sure?
Da da da? But she doesn't notice that every single
name tag is gone.

Speaker 1 (43:29):
It's such a minor detail, but I was that a
third grade teacher would really pick up on that.

Speaker 2 (43:34):
Like if one or two were gone, no, but all
of them.

Speaker 1 (43:37):
Right, yes, all seventeen unless.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
Like you know when your brain is so programmed to
think that something's here, something's there, and you don't even
like you just I see it that way.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
I think her focus was on the child ax.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah, yeah, So anyway, he brings him home to Gladys,
who does some big spell and then at two seventeen
am she snaps the twig and all of the kids
get up from bed and run out, and that's what
caused them to They all run into the house and
down to the.

Speaker 1 (44:04):
Basically has his work cut out for him because in
addition to feeding his parents soup to keep them alive,
he also has to feed soup to his entire class.

Speaker 2 (44:12):
And you know what I love about good old Gladys
is that she's willing to use all of these kids
and the parents for their whatever, their life force, but
she won't feed them to keep them alive. Poor Alex,
a third grader, has to feed each person soup, right, and.

Speaker 1 (44:26):
So then you know, this also reminds me of the
two thousand and five Kate Hudson film about voodoo. I'll
never remember the title, Oh skeleton Key, Thank you skeleton Key.
Remember when they like they put the salt around so
to like detect so she in addition to covering up
all the windows to make the house super creepy, she
also puts the salt around the house to like guard
the parents, guard the kids.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
And it's like if you go over the salt. So
basically we then are get we get to the present,
and we get back to Julia Garner and Josh Brolin
and they go to Alex's house and they're like, we're
coming in, We're gonna see what's going on. So as
soon as they go in, they see. If you remember
the cop and the addict from before, they have both

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been placed under Gladys's spell. And when Julia Garner and
Josh Brolin go in there, they walk over the salt unknowingly,
and both the cop and the addicts start attacking them,
like again like rabid dogs.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Oh my gosh, like choking her, punching, like like I
was actually I was gonna be really sad if Julia Gardner.
I almost like Julia Gulia, Julia Gulia. No. I was
gonna be really upset if they killed her off, because
I was like, this movie could go either way. I
was like, maybe this teacher will not make it.

Speaker 2 (45:33):
I didn't know because they were getting attacked and choked,
and finally Julia Garner is able to get the CoP's
gun and she has to shoot Remember this guy she
had an affair with, he has to shoot him in
the feeling and who shoots? Did she shoot the attict two?
I think she did right.

Speaker 1 (45:47):
Did Josh Brolan knock him out? I think there was
two gunshots. He Chiefs knocked him out and he kept.

Speaker 2 (45:51):
Getting up, and then he knocked him out, and then
he got up and he knocked him out. I think
it took the gunshot finally, because literally, when these people
are under this spell, they will not stop. It's literally
like the terminator. Yeah, that's the only way I can
describe it. The little boy triggers.

Speaker 1 (46:04):
He's like, I'm gonna dabble with my parents. He puts
his foot over and the parents chase him around. And
I was like, did it remind you of the two
thousand and four remake Donna the Dead remember the parents
at the beginning? Yes?

Speaker 2 (46:19):
Yeah, I mean I didn't think about it then. How
It's really sad because poor little Alex brilliantly played by
this actor. By the way, the actor got to call
him out because he Oh Carrie Christopher young kid, so
well done, Like great performance for him, it that the
whole cast was great. But yes, he sets off his
parents who are like coming after him. So anyway, in

(46:43):
a really scary thing, the scary turn of events, Josh
Brolin makes his way down the basement and he's looking.
He sees that all the kids in there, and he's
looking for his kat. He's looking at for his kid.
He's looking for his kid, and suddenly Gladys like pops
out at him in a jump scare. And that again
scared me, Like this woman every time she appeared on
screen out of nowhere scared the shit out of me.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
He did a really good job with timing, because it's
all about timing.

Speaker 2 (47:05):
Timing was great, her expressions were great, the makeup was great.
But anyway, then Josh Brolin suddenly.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
Under the spell and comes up and starts attacking and
choking Julia Garner. So we're like, oh my god, she
can't get always gonna be so mad if Julia Gardner
had to kill Josh Brolin.

Speaker 2 (47:20):
So she's getting choked out by him. The kid is
getting attacked by his parents, but finally this smart kid
is grabs his aunt Gladys's branches and somehow puts I
think something that.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
Has just made a personal effect. So he had Gladys
personal effects, Yes he had, Yes, he had something from Gladys.
He twisted around the tree branch that I guess she
had used on the kids, and he snaps it and
suddenly it awakens all of the kids and they go
after Gladys. And it's great because there's a huge scene
where they're chasing after her through people's houses. Did it

(47:57):
remind you of Ferris Peeler's day off in nine Taste
was running around?

Speaker 2 (48:01):
You have so many references.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
I love it well because the movie was a mash up.
I mean, uh uhis nobody was running to beat Remember
the Jennifer Gray and the mom were driving home and
he was trying to beat them, but this happened. I mean, honestly,
these kids eat This.

Speaker 2 (48:18):
Reminded me more of in twenty eight days later or
twenty eight weeks later, the opening scene when he's being
chased by all of the zombies, Like, these kids are
running after Gladys, and as audience members, we couldn't have
been happier because it's like, get this witch, get this way,
get this witch. So literally Josh Brolin's choking out Julia Garner,

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you think she's gonna die. The kids finally catch up
to Gladys and Tim tell everyone what they do to her.

Speaker 1 (48:44):
Okay, so what Okay, So they're relentless. They're literally jumping
and going through people's houses, breaking through windows, which was
a nice effect, and I think they didn't like three
or four times. Yes. So then Gladys like falls down
because she knows she's an older lady. She can't, you know,
count forever. She can't outrun seventeen little kids that are
life going fast under a spell. She falls down in
the middle of the yard and I didn't know where

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this was gonna go, but all the kids go around,
and I guess they rip her to shred, like literally
rip her apart to the point, no just ripping her apart,
rip her head off, her guts, her everything.

Speaker 2 (49:17):
I mean, that's why it reminded me of a zombie
movie because it actually.

Speaker 1 (49:20):
Could have been grosser, but it was still effective.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
It was effective and it wasn't too gross. Like the
way the camera angles shot it, you knew they were
ripping her apart and they literally rip her head off,
but they were just tearing her apart. But the best
part is as soon as they tear her apart and
she's dead, all the spells are are right.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
So the kids her in shock because Josh Brolin he's
no longer possessed and he's fine, are just kind of
standing there covered in blood, just next to the parcass
of Gladys, right, So they're kind of like, okay. So
then the little girl that was the voiceover from the
beginning of the film, she comes back on and she's like,
well they they speak once again. Well, no, no, no, she.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Said, She said first, she said it was it was
an abrupt endy, but she said Zarach went to live,
or when Alex went to live with a much nicer aunt.
His parents unfortunately were institutionalized, meaning I don't know if
they'd ever got out of their catatonic state.

Speaker 1 (50:19):
She said.

Speaker 2 (50:20):
The kids were all returned to their parents, and it's
been a couple of years now and finally some of
them are starting to speak again.

Speaker 1 (50:27):
That's right, But why aren't the parents' parents like so.

Speaker 2 (50:31):
That These were my questions at the end, because brilliant movie.
Love that obviously, I love that it was more of
a happier ending. But I was hoping when the spell
or when Gladys was murdered killed, that all of the
spells would be broken. What I got from it is
that the people that had been under the spell the longest,
it would take the longest for them to snap out

(50:52):
of it, and maybe the kids it was taking years
because they were I think missing for a month. Well,
the parents had been under the spell, I think for
like two months.

Speaker 1 (51:02):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (51:03):
So maybe if you're under it for a certain amount
of time, you're just gone forever. Josh Brolin snapped back
to normal right away because he was only under the
spell for like five minutes. But the kids apparently were
catatonic at least a.

Speaker 1 (51:14):
Month, because remember they're like that, they say throughout the
whole movie. They're like, the kids have been gone for Yeah,
so it was the voiceover kind of told us that.
And again it was a a It was a bittersweet
ending because obviously the witch was killed. Obviously all the
kids were returned to their parents, and I think they'll
start speaking again. Sex Buddy's dead, Yeah he's.

Speaker 2 (51:36):
Dead, and so is the attic. But this is what
I want to know, is Julia Garner going to be
teaching at that school.

Speaker 1 (51:41):
Again, I don't know. I mean she may want to retire.

Speaker 2 (51:45):
The principal's dead, so a job's open.

Speaker 1 (51:47):
That's who she could be the principal job opening. Like, Also,
how do this is what I want to know.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
How do Julia Garner, Josh Brolin and the kid explain what?
Because they were the three who saw everything, how do
they explain it to the town without looking like they're
absolutely bonkers?

Speaker 1 (52:04):
Well, I mean, the kids do speak again, so maybe
they'll remember, like, h we tore up an old lad.
Oh god, I'm remembering basement for a month eating soup,
and then I tore apart an old woman. Well you
know that. One thing is like they showed Josh Brolin's
son be a bully to Alex. Yes, I thought that

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was going to come into play more.

Speaker 2 (52:27):
Yeah, like maybe I thought that maybe Alex was responsible.
Obviously he's an accomplice, but obviously he's also a little
kid and was under depression of this witch. This is
what I think, And again I can't believe I'm even
taking this approach of logic. But like, if cops ever investigated,
they would see the horrifically brutal deaths of like the

(52:48):
principal's husband, all the people that witnessed the principal rabbid,
uh the witch like everything, and they would know that
something like supernatural was going on and they probably would
just say, like let it go. Who was the sheriff
the Oh the sheriff was Toby Huss from Halloween twenty eighteen.

Speaker 1 (53:07):
Yeah. I looked at you and I was like, Matt will.

Speaker 2 (53:09):
I love a good Halloween cameo he played and it
was funny. The cop that was cheating on his wife,
his wife's dad was the sheriff and that was Toby Huff.
So it was a very minor role, but like, I
recognize him because I'll always recognize everyone from a Halloween
film toom.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
Really because I'm in Halloween uns. Oh really, who were
you cutting him? Michael Myers?

Speaker 2 (53:30):
Oh you're like, how can you tell me?

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I wasn't I always wearing my ask Yah? Yeah, you'll
never know.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
I think James Jude Courtney would disagree. So Okay. Overall
thoughts on weapons, Kim, I you know I since you.

Speaker 1 (53:41):
Know, I gathered nothing really from the trailer, I was like, Oh,
this is gonna be a scary movie, like the poster
with the kids standing like this, you know, running. I
really liked the idea of two seventeen in the morning.
I don't know what did we ever find out with
the two seventeen in the morning means.

Speaker 2 (53:56):
I don't know if it had an okay, so you
want to hear something really weird. I was doing a
little research and I was reading what Zach Craigor, the director.

Speaker 1 (54:05):
Said about this movie.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
And he doesn't want to say too much because obviously,
you know, like you don't want to say this is
what I meant and this one. But he said he
was inspired to write this after a really close friend
of his died unexpectedly. The friend was drunk and fell
off a balcony to his death, which is awful. Apparently
that happened at two something in the night, and that

(54:26):
time apparently always stood out to him. I think that
was the significance of the time. I don't want to
speak for him, but I think that was in terms
of he The only other thing he said about the
environment of like Alex coming home and his parents being
like catatonic. He said he grew up with an alcoholic
father and when alcoholism took him over, it was like
he was in a trance all the time, so he

(54:47):
understood what it was like to like come home and
not feel safe and like your home situation had been
taken over.

Speaker 1 (54:53):
I how he turned that into a witch. That's you know, like, no,
I think that is very scary to go back to
an environment where basically like it's almost taken over, right,
Like it's really twisted to think about this, But it's
like going back home and be like, oh, there's a
dead person in my house.

Speaker 2 (55:11):
But also it's almost like you know how people say
when like someone gets recruited by or brainwashed by a
cult and suddenly it's like they're transformed. That's like it's
almost like that, like you think about if someone you
know completely changes their personality, Like that is kind of
what this trance was, you know what I mean, Like
shut off, like if you suddenly you know, were cuffing

(55:33):
a lot.

Speaker 1 (55:33):
Yeah, fuck you take that out. Take that out? Tim No, no, no, no,
you're no, I'm I'm dead.

Speaker 2 (55:40):
Start attacking.

Speaker 1 (55:41):
I'm really tired of that.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
Okay, go on, sorry with your phone.

Speaker 1 (55:44):
That's okay. I really liked the two seventeen because do
you remember the movie Something, Well, it took like three
fifteen meant something and it was like that girl. It
was something very Rose or something Rose anyway, reminded me
of that movie, which I cannot think of at this good.
But I like the fact that it took place like
there is something very eerie because I think everyone has

(56:06):
grown up going to elementary school and living in a neighborhood.
Well everyone, they could have lived in the city. I'm
just saying I grew up in a suburb and like
that whole aspect with the teacher in this trying to
talk to her student. I got all that because, like
I mean, like she clearly needed to talk to someone.
She had she she had nowhere to go. That was
a bummer because it was like go to a hotel.
She couldn't anyway. So I just liked that it took

(56:28):
place in a suburb, which is some place that is
very relatable to I mean, again, not everyone, but I
would say.

Speaker 2 (56:35):
Me, did you feel like it was scary that it
was unique? Like what did you think in terms of
like the plot of it.

Speaker 1 (56:41):
Well, as far as the plot goes, it was, I mean,
like I don't want to say it was convoluted, because
they really did break it down for you, like kind
of like pulp fiction. They're like, Okay, we're gonna show
this character this, and they put it all together like
a big jigsaw puzzle. So I appreciated all of that.
I mean what, I there's a part of me that
was like, oh, can we just have a straightforward movie?
But I mean I I like that it was different,

(57:01):
and I like that if there was only one thing
I would change is maybe just a little less with
the addict, just because like that aspect, I don't it's
not relatable, and I'm not I don't rob people.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Good.

Speaker 1 (57:17):
I don't. I don't go in people's homes and try
to all the time. So I'm not that I'm trying
to relate to everything I see on screen. But I
just thought that aspect, not all the comedy landed for
me personally as far as the attict goes.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
You know, no, no, I can see that. I am.
I just thought this was a brilliant movie. And I'll
tell you all the reasons why, because I just really
loved the storytelling. I actually really loved how they did
highlight different characters because they made their stories intersect in
some way, and because they you know what, I hate
about horror movies that like have some weird mystery when

(57:52):
they don't explain anything, it's just like it's grief and yeah, exactly,
and this one explained everything. But they they worked up
to it. They built the tension, they gave us clues,
and then they worked up to showing the final perspective,
which kind of tied it all together. And that I
loved because then you can leave feeling like, Okay, I
understand what's going on with that said, I thought they

(58:15):
created such a unique villain in Amy Madigan's Gladys because yes,
we've seen witches before, but this was like almost like
a modern fairy tale.

Speaker 1 (58:26):
It was not exactly it wasn't a full blown clown,
even though it you know, Pennywise does have red hair.
But the cool thing is, and I love this scene
after I just got done saying I didn't want too
much of the addict in it. But was the addict
the one that when he was in the woods he
sees her, Yes, Okay, so that when he sees her
in the woods and I think she just like waves, Yes,

(58:48):
that was like a fever dream for me. It was
like the whole I like that.

Speaker 2 (58:52):
I really like that The thing about what I my
interpretation of her character is, I got the idea that
she was a very ode individual that didn't know how
to be a normal human, hence the wig that was
completely fucked up and weird, the way too much white
on her face, like, but that made scarier Like she

(59:12):
obviously was a witch who was deep into her witchcraft
and did not assimilate with people. So when she had
to go talk to people and she tried to pretend
that she was normal, she looked like that, which turned
into such a creepy villain. I'm so glad they designed
her like that. I'm so glad they cast Amy Madigan.
I think they had a lot of strong leads in this.
I think the kid, Julia Garner, Josh Brolin were all

(59:34):
amazing characters. Again, the cop in the attic for me,
weren't as important, and yes they're kind of back and forth.
I wasn't as into, but they did factor into the
story because they became weapons of hers too, like and
I actually love I remember when I saw the ad
for this and I was like, it's called weapons, what
is this about? But obviously, like this woman was weaponizing

(59:57):
people against each other, and the funny thing is I
guess if we want to take like a deep look
at things, like people weaponize everything, weaponize words against each other,
weaponize actions like oh you did this and I use
it against you like so, and also like AI's coming out,
I'm sure that's gonna be weaponized. So I have a

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feeling like this is a little bit more of a
supernatural version of weaponizing things. But I just felt like
it was a very It was just so clever, Like
I want to talk to how this all came to
be from Zach Craigor. I love to talk.

Speaker 1 (01:00:31):
I really liked another scene when those cops finally did
come to the house and she had to look presentable,
and she had she like she was going back and forth,
like like she was like like hey, Alex, and then
she could turn it off and on off and on
real quickly.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
She was so good at portraying. And also like when
she went to the principal's house, was like, oh, I
need water, and then suddenly she like didn't care that
they thought it was weird that she needed a bowl,
Like she was so odd.

Speaker 1 (01:00:55):
She was confident in her crazy.

Speaker 2 (01:00:57):
But the thing that I liked about this is that
a Zach Kraiger, which I can only say that because
he's only done two. But now that we know Barbarian
and weapons, it's not gonna be just a straight horror
movie that's just horror the whole time. There's gonna be
very comedic parts. Also, there's gonna be really badshit, crazy parts.
There's gonna be really unique parts, and there's gonna be
parts that you like uncomfortably laugh at. But he knows

(01:01:19):
how to build suspense well, and he really like the
scenes with Julia Garner when she's sitting in her car
and the woman ran across the street was terrifying.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
Her dream was terrifying.

Speaker 2 (01:01:29):
Josh Brolin's dream was terrifying, the attic going and I
think dreams.

Speaker 1 (01:01:33):
Are like a cop out, but for some reason this
movie it really works because also like if the dream,
if it just does dream, dream, dream, but then it
got to be even the visuals in real life, her
looking through the newspaper into the house and seeing the
parents all catatonic, Like he knows how to do these
shots that are simple things but terrifying because at that
moment we had no idea who those people were. We

(01:01:55):
didn't know they were the sweet parents that we see
later when Alex's story end, Like, I really don't like
that mom.

Speaker 2 (01:02:00):
The mom and the dad were such nice parents, and
it sucks that they got taken advantage of. But so
was so many people got taken advantage of now in
terms of like higher meanings related to like society and
school shootings and all that. I that I'm sure people
are gonna take from this, And of course, with all

(01:02:21):
the students disappearing from one classroom, are gonna probably compare
this to different school shootings and things like that. I
personally didn't get that social commentary from this. I got
more of the idea that there are people that will
weaponize anything they can to keep themselves going and to
make themselves the most important thing ever, and this witch

(01:02:42):
was doing that. I saw this more of a handsel
Gretel really warped tale of this witch doing these horrible
things because she only cared about herself.

Speaker 1 (01:02:52):
Wow, what do you think? No, I agree, I agree
with everything you said, But you know what else? I
was thinking that what I wish Sarah Paxton had a
bigger role.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
You know, Sarah Bacon. And the thing is is that
everyone know Justin Long was such an iconic part in
a Barbarian and.

Speaker 1 (01:03:07):
He got such a response like, yes, Josh Brohan was
approaching that house, and.

Speaker 2 (01:03:12):
When Justin Long turns around, yeah, every audience was like, yeah,
they loved it because I think they wanted it to
connect to Barbarian. Now he's definitely not playing the part
from Barbarian because I think he died.

Speaker 1 (01:03:23):
Which film do you like better? Barbarian? Our Weapons?

Speaker 2 (01:03:26):
To be honest, Weapons me too. And I this is
shocking because I know a lot. I really liked Barbarian,
but I didn't love it. I really loved Weapons. I
want to see it again. Like Barbarian, I'd like to
see again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:37):
I saw the first act and second act in Barbarians
was really cool. The third actor I was kind of like,
what's this maze? And and the mom with the he
was okay. I really liked Barbarian.

Speaker 2 (01:03:49):
I thought it was very unique, especially like just out
of Nowhere. It didn't I had no idea what it
was going to be about it. I did like it,
but Weapons creeped me out so much and was such
a satisfying story that again, like I told you, I'm
so glad he explained it. He didn't have to but
the good thing is also he didn't go into too

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much detail. We never found out where Gladys was from,
how she became a witch, what witchcraft she was practicing,
because we didn't need that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:16):
They might, I mean, like obviously a prequel. Movies like
to make money, so I'm sure the studio will be like, hey,
show us for Gladys.

Speaker 2 (01:04:24):
Yes, But a filmmaker like Zach Greigor, I feel like
people think he's so unique that they want to just
see every new idea of his Like, I don't think
they see him as a let's just keep doing.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
Squel Judeo might use a weapon, they.

Speaker 2 (01:04:38):
Might weaponize him, but what if they bring an Amy Madigan.
She goes, and Zach Creigor's like, okay, twenty five more weapons.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
He goes, oh my god, uncle Bucks here, and he's.

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
I will say that just to be obnoxious. And when
we got out of the theater and we're walking to
our car, I walked across the street like this just
because I'm you know, I would think.

Speaker 1 (01:04:56):
That you were that guy. But I do have TikTok
and a lot of people are running out the theater
to their car. Yeah, so I'm not original yet.

Speaker 2 (01:05:03):
I mean like the thing is, it's like and to
be honest, like part of me was considering, like do
I want to be Gladys for Halloween? Like it's such
a ridiculous costume because like if I could get a
wig like that in white, horrible horrible baby bangs and
the hair was like out to hear, it looked like
a really like like a really exaggerated Kathy Griffin, Like

(01:05:24):
you know when they show those Kathy Griffin you did,
but you did, and I'm gonna give you credit. I
was gonna give you.

Speaker 1 (01:05:29):
Tim told me that.

Speaker 2 (01:05:31):
She reminded of Kathy Griffin. But for me, it's like
when the paparazzi gets those pictures that she doesn't want used,
like unflattering pictures where she like doesn't have makeup on
her something like it did have a Kathy Griffin look.

Speaker 1 (01:05:42):
Well, I mean, how many redheads in society do we
really know?

Speaker 2 (01:05:45):
Kooky redheads with the old ball and uh Miranda on
Sex and the City, she's not kookie kookie.

Speaker 1 (01:05:54):
Yeah, she actually they made her a little kookie, they did.
They did.

Speaker 2 (01:05:57):
Anyway, go see weapons if you haven't our ready, even
if you've watched this episode and we've spoiled it for you,
as we spoil everything, because that's what we do. Even
if you've heard this, you can't even imagine what we're
saying until you say this. It is so worth seeing.
So definitely go and see weapons.

Speaker 1 (01:06:14):
Yes, and now I have a confession to make too,
do it. I took a piece of your hair. Oh
and I said make him sick, and I snapped it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:25):
Hopefully by our next episode, I will not be taking
so much water and coughing. I apologize.

Speaker 1 (01:06:31):
I enjoyed it.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
My spell work, tim spell work weapons. Okay, anyway, thanks
for watching, guys, Bye.

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