Ep 270: Witch-ful Thinking

Remake, reimagining, reboot — all of these words could be used to describe the new “Witchboard,” which is VERY loosely based on a 1986 film of the same name and directed by Chuck Russell (Director of “A Nightmare on Elm Street 3: Dream Warriors”). Tune in to hear us break down all that witchy backstory, how it compared with the original film, and how “obsessed” the main character was with that pendulum board.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, welcome to Happy More Time.

Speaker 2 (00:12):
My name is Tim Murdoch and my name is Matt Emmer.
What were you laughing at me? Because I was.

Speaker 1 (00:16):
Looking away and I was like, I think because you
always do this.

Speaker 3 (00:18):
A little like boop, I give him a little nudge
to start things off. Well, that's also nudge, nudge, and
that's wink.

Speaker 2 (00:24):
Wait is there more tonight? Wink wink, nudge nudge.

Speaker 1 (00:28):
Milk milk.

Speaker 2 (00:30):
Wait? So wait, you were looking the other way.

Speaker 1 (00:32):
I was looking the other way, like collecting my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
You were collecting my thoughts. Well, well you were collecting
your thoughts. Well.

Speaker 3 (00:37):
First off, I just want to say to everyone Tim
and I are back to being healthy. Yes, I had
a rough last episode. Tim had a rough when we
did our last bonus episode great.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
Like and also even the Killer the thirteen Kills. I
was teetering, yes, total sickness. So if you listen to
the past, how many.

Speaker 3 (00:56):
Last couple, well, well one of them was we record
in advance, but our Friday the thirteenth. By the way,
if you haven't watched this it you have to watch
on our channel. Tim's ranking of the top thirteen kills
in the Friday the thirteenth franchise covers tons of stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:11):
It's a really fun video.

Speaker 3 (01:13):
And he was sick, and unfortunately I'm the cause of
that because I was sick. And you see, we're in
close proximity and I'm probably spitting.

Speaker 2 (01:21):
A lot in all my salivas.

Speaker 1 (01:22):
Going on your throne.

Speaker 3 (01:24):
Yeah, and uh, but I will say, I feel so
much better. You sound so much better.

Speaker 1 (01:28):
I know that I lost my voice like that Wednesday morning.
When I woke up, I was like, who am I?

Speaker 3 (01:33):
And it's funny because like I recorded it for you, like, yeah,
Tim sounded like he had a frog in his throat.

Speaker 2 (01:38):
I just sounded like I was on my deathbed. But
we you know, the.

Speaker 3 (01:42):
Toughest part about when we did our weapons reviews, I
was so last week's I was so excited about that
movie and I so couldn't get like two lines out
without drinking water or coughing.

Speaker 2 (01:52):
And I kept trying to cover it up.

Speaker 1 (01:54):
And you know we're now on the secret was out.
And I will say, and I took no joy in this, yes,
but I felt like you don't appreciate your health until
it's gone. So I was over here looking at you, like,
oh my god, dying I feel so good that I'm like, God,
I'm so healthy, I won't catch what he catches.

Speaker 3 (02:10):
And then boom, and then I remember when Tim's like,
I'm feeling like I'm getting sick, and I'm like, I'm
not surprised.

Speaker 2 (02:17):
We've been in close proximity.

Speaker 3 (02:19):
Like it's just tough because we keep this podcast going
for all of you in sickness and health till death
do us apart.

Speaker 1 (02:27):
There's a couple of things that never die, and that's
evil evil and soaps, oh evil.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
So so I thought I was waiting for Eddy.

Speaker 3 (02:37):
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Speaker 1 (03:01):
I told you not to say shit.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Don't say shit. We've done.

Speaker 3 (03:04):
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Speaker 1 (03:48):
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Speaker 2 (03:51):
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Speaker 3 (03:54):
We've done we had John Carpenter June and our Dario
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Speaker 1 (04:00):
Carpenter on just kidding it.

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Speaker 2 (04:17):
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I know, but I missed my dogs, well I think.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
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Speaker 1 (04:44):
And it's how many episodes fun that people don't have
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Speaker 3 (04:49):
Well, if you count everything we've done, I think a
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shows and okay, so that's almost a hundred additional episodes
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of fun. And also we love having patrons join us
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Speaker 1 (05:23):
Tim, you got it. You like you got your kind
of hit my funny bone.

Speaker 3 (05:28):
Still like what I said, we did John Carpenter June,
and then we're like, or we did John Carpenter.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
He's here, Hello everyone, John Carpenter bring.

Speaker 3 (05:36):
Speaking of John Carpenter, he was at Midsummer Scream, which
I went to with Jacob this weekend. Tim wasn't able
to go because where were you.

Speaker 1 (05:45):
I was at the Bold and the Beautiful convention that.

Speaker 2 (05:47):
Is so on brand.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
I have the best time. Yeah, but it's it's a
different setup because it's like you don't have to have
that awkward interaction like oh, I'd like a picture in
an autograph. It's like you walk in and it's like
one and done, like it's like they're all there. It's
just it's it's a little less awkward.

Speaker 3 (06:05):
God, I would much rather horror conventions being like that.
You pay one fee and you get access to everyone.

Speaker 1 (06:11):
Right.

Speaker 3 (06:12):
So Midsummer Scream we went mostly because we wanted to go.
There was a hell House LLC panel and as you know,
like we're good friends with Joe Bandelli, the producer of
all the films We've had Stephen Cognetti, the director of
all the films on and they had to of the
actors in the films, and we just wanted to go
support hell House LLC, support Votrees who was moderating the panel,

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and just really like, you know, be there for hell LLC.
So we went to the panel. But obviously it's a
convention there's it was so packed.

Speaker 1 (06:44):
To him, you see any thirteenth Max or shirts? And
you brought me nothing?

Speaker 2 (06:49):
I got you nothing.

Speaker 1 (06:50):
I wasn't doing well.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
I didn't even buy anything for myself. Why not, because
I've spent so much money lately and Halloween's coming up
and I gotta save for our party.

Speaker 1 (07:00):
Your party, Yeah, well it's not my.

Speaker 2 (07:03):
Party, meaning Jacob in mine. But yes, yes, so I
didn't spend money.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
But another thing that was tough to pass up was,
like I mentioned, John Carpenter, one of my heroes, was there. Now,
I didn't want to spend the money to meet him
and get an autograph because I have heard from multiple
sources that they haven't had the most pleasurable experience meeting

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John Carpenter, that he comes off a little bit like Curmudgeony,
and I just don't want my bubble of him to
be burst, so I kind of would rather be, uh,
what's going ignorance?

Speaker 2 (07:38):
Is what like? Never meet your hero?

Speaker 3 (07:40):
Right?

Speaker 1 (07:41):
I met all of my bold and Beautiful heroes and
they all delivered.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
But see that's the thing I mean.

Speaker 1 (07:46):
So they were actually like the people that I mean.
Of course, I'm not going to think they're evil in
real life.

Speaker 2 (07:50):
They are.

Speaker 1 (07:51):
They were trying to kill me, no, because there's a
lot of killing on the bold and Beautiful there is.
There's a lot of shootings and stabbings.

Speaker 2 (07:58):
And but then they never died.

Speaker 1 (07:59):
They never die, or they just go to France, like
you know, you're written off the show. If they're like,
I've got to go to France.

Speaker 2 (08:05):
You know what's funny?

Speaker 3 (08:06):
Uh, Watchers and listen, you know what I'm talking about. Yes,
because Tim has shown me enough episodes of Bolden and
Beautiful over the years that I regretfully know a lot.

Speaker 2 (08:14):
Of the characters now.

Speaker 3 (08:16):
And so he was sending me pictures with taking with
the cast, and I knew the characters, and I'm like,
oh my god, who am I right now?

Speaker 1 (08:22):
I loved it.

Speaker 3 (08:23):
It was.

Speaker 1 (08:23):
I had the best time and like one of them
like followed me on Instagram. So I think Ashley Jones
Bridget Forrester.

Speaker 2 (08:31):
Oh my god. Nice.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
So you know, I really think I'm cool now, so treat.

Speaker 2 (08:35):
Me with Wait, how did shock did you tag her
in a picture?

Speaker 4 (08:38):
Like?

Speaker 2 (08:39):
How did she even know where to look?

Speaker 1 (08:40):
You know, I did tuger and I don't know she
seek me out?

Speaker 2 (08:45):
No, well she didn't, but still she followed you. That's
a big deal.

Speaker 1 (08:48):
I'm playing.

Speaker 3 (08:49):
Obviously if you hadn't taggers, she wouldn't just know. Oh
that's Tim Murray.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
After thirty eight years of being in the same studio,
they're moving over to another studio in Hollywood. So the
next day we got to go see the set of
the new Bowl and Beautiful, which is the new lighting
and they've got a lot more space than what they
did the little CBS Radford next to the grove.

Speaker 3 (09:06):
That's so cool and I loved one last question on
this what was the percentage of men to women that
were attending and what was the percentage of those men
that were gay?

Speaker 1 (09:15):
Go. I think they were probably like maybe ten gay
men and the rest women women's.

Speaker 2 (09:25):
I love it, but isn't that that was what you're.

Speaker 1 (09:26):
Expected, right? But I mean there were a couple straight men,
but you could tell they were brought by their straight wives.

Speaker 3 (09:32):
The straight wives, I was hoping they were brought by
their brought by their lesbian.

Speaker 1 (09:36):
Wives, right right, The lesbian wives brought.

Speaker 2 (09:38):
Their partners, brought their straight first guy friends. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (09:42):
Wow, well yeah, so we had quite an eventful week
from being sick to attending these conventions we were.

Speaker 1 (09:48):
I really had to pull myself together because I was like,
I can't be sneezing and snotting and coughing all over
the bold and the beautiful actors. So I literally was
like napping and sleeping and drinking tea so I could
pull myself together so I could look about.

Speaker 3 (10:03):
And day, Well, you're definitely back in your normal spirits,
which I love, and I am not coughing during this episode,
so I'm very happy that we are both return to
good health.

Speaker 1 (10:14):
Now I want to share one Did you notice that
I had a cough drop in my mouth when I
was doing the Thirteen Kills? Yes?

Speaker 2 (10:21):
And you know why because you asked me if I
noticed right after it?

Speaker 1 (10:25):
Well, I mean, because I was, I would have started coughing,
like I needed that mozzle.

Speaker 2 (10:29):
So now even more reason to go back and watch
the ranking.

Speaker 3 (10:32):
And by the way, like again, if you are attending attending,
if you're watching this and you watch our episodes where
you haven't watched any of our ranking videos or our
news content, they are and they're on our YouTube channel too.
We switch off between them and we've done a ton
of rankings and like I said, Tim just did this.

Speaker 1 (10:48):
That was a natural from day one. I think each
time I'm improving.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Thank you, thank you.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
But I mean it's a different sort of thing because
we're we're each doing them individual so it's like we
have the other one here to respond. But like we
switch off where I'll do a ranking and Tim does
a ranking because we couldn't do a joint ranking because
we're two different human beings with different opinions.

Speaker 2 (11:09):
Now we have the same brain.

Speaker 1 (11:11):
Yeah, yeah, that's why you're at the bold of the
Beautiful Cones exactly right.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
No, But I mean the thing is is that I
can't wait for us to at some point we're gonna
swap and do each other's rankings. So I mean, like
you'll do the top ten scariest phone calls like I did,
and I'll do the top kills.

Speaker 2 (11:28):
And I can't wait to do horror hunks.

Speaker 1 (11:30):
You know it. That is my thing because Okay.

Speaker 3 (11:33):
We're gonna be switched at some point, at some point,
but we still have a lot more rankings to go. Okay,
So the last two episodes, we have reviewed two really
great new horror films. Together and Weapons. I mean Weapons
may be so far my favorite horror movie of the year.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
I Uh, I think the one we're talking about today
is mine.

Speaker 3 (11:58):
And you know, we don't always see winners, and we
also try to be as authentic as possible. And uh,
the movie we are reviewing this week was not on
the same caliber as Together or Weapons. We are talking
about the new Witchboard movie now right away. If that

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title sounds recognizable to you, it's because they made a
Witchboard movie in the eighties and it was directed by
Kevin Tenney, who did Knight of at the Demons.

Speaker 1 (12:30):
Yes, I love his films.

Speaker 3 (12:33):
I grew up loving Witchboard. It was so nuts, but
I loved it. I thought the villain Malvader was scary.
I love the Tata for Now girls. Tawny Katine was
a great main girl.

Speaker 1 (12:47):
I don't know, but I just wanted to say I
just repeated what I said.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
I think it's pronounced exactly as you.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, I don't. I like to just say it.

Speaker 3 (12:55):
And by the way, such a shame as she passed away.
I think a couple of years ago, like young, very sad.

Speaker 1 (13:01):
Did you watch the years that she was on the
Surreal Life? No, she did it. She did a season
of that, like you know.

Speaker 3 (13:07):
Anyway, I just know she was from the White Snake
video on the car too.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
And she also did the Tom Hanks comedy Bachelor Party.

Speaker 2 (13:15):
Oh that makes sense.

Speaker 3 (13:16):
Yeah, And it was a fun movie about a Ouiji
board and like you know, she gets possessed and people
start dying and then they have this like ancient like cursed,
really scary villain.

Speaker 2 (13:27):
I remember seeing it as a kid and loving it
me too.

Speaker 1 (13:30):
I remember renting it and there's a part where there's
like knife just flies to the ground and the like,
and then do you remember the catch up just like
drifts on to.

Speaker 3 (13:38):
Great Yeah, and the whole conclusion when she's speaking like him.

Speaker 1 (13:44):
A little nut.

Speaker 2 (13:45):
But I loved it, loved every part of it. Anyway.

Speaker 3 (13:47):
When we heard about this movie, there were two things
that we were really excited about number one. It was
initially billed as a remake of Whichboard. It was very
much a completely different movie, definitely reimagine. It was such
a reimagining that it literally isn't even the same type
of Ouiji board. It's a pendulum board, which is different,

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and everything else is different, the characters, the story, everything.

Speaker 1 (14:11):
Could you call the movie pendulum board?

Speaker 2 (14:14):
No, that wouldn't sound as good.

Speaker 1 (14:15):
Yeah, you ask me what I'm seeing?

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Oh, hey, what are you up to? What are you
seeing tonight?

Speaker 1 (14:20):
Pendulum board?

Speaker 3 (14:21):
Oh oh, that's a lot of syllables in it. I
could followed by pendulum refrigerator.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
Oh they say that five times exactly.

Speaker 2 (14:29):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (14:30):
So the other thing that we found appealing is that
this remake was being directed, co written and directed by
Chuck Russell, who directed Nightmare on Elm Street Part three,
Dream Warriors, The Mask and the Blob, Right, Yes, I.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Love the Blob and of course I love Dream Warriors.
And what was the other one? The Mask?

Speaker 2 (14:47):
I can I I Dream Warriors.

Speaker 3 (14:51):
Warriors is one of, if not my favorite sequel in
the Nightmare series, and so you know it's his return
to horror.

Speaker 1 (14:58):
Well, the trailers said the Master of Suspense. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (15:01):
Now that's a weird title for someone who's only done
a couple.

Speaker 1 (15:05):
But they were they made an impact. I mean, we
know all three of his.

Speaker 3 (15:08):
Films one hundred percent, but yeah, I mean, like, I
don't know, there's certain horror masters that I think of.

Speaker 2 (15:15):
The podcast master.

Speaker 1 (15:16):
Yeah yeah, yeah, how podcasts?

Speaker 2 (15:19):
Have you done?

Speaker 1 (15:20):
One?

Speaker 3 (15:21):
But like almost three hundred episodes, that's not a master? Yeah, yeah, exactly. Anyway, Okay,
so we were excited about Chuck Russell being involved and
excited about it being a remake of Witchboard. Well, shortly
before seeing the movie, I stupidly read some reviews which
were horrible and said it has nothing to do with
the original Witchboard. So right away I was like, so,

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we're not going to get the TTFN girl, which is
my favorite. We want to get her on the podcast.
She's just hilarious, always chewing gum.

Speaker 1 (15:48):
I you know, I thought they would do a homage.

Speaker 3 (15:53):
Literally, the only thing they did in this Witchboard movie
that was similar to the original was she used the
board to help her find her Well, it was her
engagement ring in this one. In the other one was
her wedding ring she lost it. That was the only thing.
Everything else was different, the backstory, the type of board,
the character.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (16:14):
In the original, no, not about Tony. Katine was like, hey,
serve some phos.

Speaker 1 (16:18):
There was the correlation, well, I guess there was. The
two lead males had sexual undertones in the original.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yes, they had a weird homoerotic.

Speaker 1 (16:29):
Right, there was no but that. That could just be
fans just reading too much into it, but this one
was pretty blunt, with one of the guys going like
touching the other guy like this.

Speaker 2 (16:40):
Oh wait, was there a gay guy?

Speaker 1 (16:42):
Well? I mean I don't think they were gay, but
there was some the.

Speaker 3 (16:46):
Like, oh, I think I know who you're talking about
the character of what was an Alexander Baptiste, the like
pagan guy. I feel like I just got he was
very sexual in generally, Yeah, I thought I saw him
as more bisexual. He was being sexual with the girl
Brooke evening sexual with the guy who was just sexual
sexual sexual? How many times can I say sexual?

Speaker 1 (17:04):
Okay, well, craarly, I read today that you're not allowed
to say sex on TikTok fun fact what Yeah, and
they only cut it down to five hashtags.

Speaker 2 (17:14):
Life is rough?

Speaker 1 (17:15):
Now, you know?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Life is rough?

Speaker 3 (17:17):
Okay, so jumping into the story, now, I'm gonna warn
you watchers and listeners if you haven't seen this movie,
and I have a feeling many of you have not,
and you know why because it was released in theaters.
And when I say theaters, I mean like two theaters
because we had to search near and far, and let's
just say we only found far to go and see

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this movie. Now, I hope it gets a streaming release
so more people can.

Speaker 1 (17:41):
See it somewhere. I think it didn't crack the top fifty.

Speaker 3 (17:47):
Yeah, it made are you ready? It made one hundred
and ninety seven thousand.

Speaker 2 (17:53):
Dollars all weekend.

Speaker 1 (17:55):
Now pretty good.

Speaker 2 (17:57):
That's now. I'm sure it wasn't in a lot of
the but that's kind of sh I was.

Speaker 1 (18:02):
On three hundred screens, but on those screens it was
had like one showing a day showings.

Speaker 3 (18:07):
Yeah, they didn't give it a chance, but I think
the theaters didn't want to take a gamble on it.

Speaker 2 (18:13):
Like literally, this movie got the release that an indie
film would get.

Speaker 3 (18:17):
In fact, I actually think the Terrifier movies had more
screening than this. I think Hell House LLC, Lineage, the
New Holluse LC was getting its first theatrical release, will
be on more screens than this, and so why they
didn't give it a chance, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
But they didn't like commit to it.

Speaker 3 (18:33):
They didn't commit and so anyway, but we still went
in with an open mind, wanting to give it a chance,
even though I knew it had nothing to do with
the original.

Speaker 1 (18:42):
And Matt and I were not healthy. I mean I
think I was a little more on my deathbed than
he was.

Speaker 2 (18:46):
Oh yeah, yeah, I was recovering. Tim was not. Tim
was still sick. Yeah, And we drove an hour.

Speaker 1 (18:51):
We drew an hour. So I'm sitting there like, entertain me.

Speaker 3 (18:54):
So you're welcome, Chuck Russell. We were part of that
one hundred and ninety seven thousand.

Speaker 1 (18:58):
Well we have to talk about who is that next to?
Is that next to a sweet mom in her sweet daughter?
And they were just like, hi, oh yeah, we went
to sit down. I was like, and then I actually
was like, are we in the right theater? I was
like this mom and daughter.

Speaker 3 (19:14):
Yeah, But they not only saw it, they said outwards
they loved it, and we were just kind of like, oh, I.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Remember the daughter, she goes one out of ten, and
I go ten.

Speaker 2 (19:23):
Oh, she asked you.

Speaker 3 (19:24):
Oh I feat She wasn't saying she was giving it
a one out of no meaning and what.

Speaker 2 (19:30):
Was So okay, that's funny, and and you stand by
that number.

Speaker 1 (19:37):
I do. No, you don't, No, you don't. Yes, but
not for the reasons like cinema.

Speaker 3 (19:42):
Oh yeah, yeah, So okay, So we'll kind of go
into it because the beginning of this movie is pretty convoluted,
just as convoluted as the majority of this movie. But
you know, it's just funny. Like and we've talked about
this a lot. Like a lot of movies, they just
try to throw too much story in. And the thing
is that if you throw too many elements in and

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you lose people, they're not gonna latch onto any of
the star story elements. So meaning, if you throw in ten,
they're gonna latch on the zero because he can't keep
track of all of them, Whereas if you throw in three,
we're gonna remember all three. So this opening, first, we're
in the sixteen hundreds and this guy is hunting down
a witch. Her name is I look this up because

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I didn't remember.

Speaker 1 (20:26):
If I was impressed with this opening.

Speaker 3 (20:28):
Naga Sooth was the name of this witch, and he
was like hunting her down, and him and all of
these like ancient settlers start killing all of her witches
and are coming after her to imprison her. But you
see that she has a board like a Ouiji board
and that she uses for her spells and things. And

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then we switch to these two guys robbing like an
ancient museum and they steal the witch right, And actually.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
Thought this opening was very exciting, like the open, like
with the witch and everything, like with the throwing of
the acts and like the the I guess the townspeople
taking out the witches. Like I thought, this was like
a very well choreographed action scene I am, I mean,
and the facts were pretty good too, and the two guys,
but it was all happening very fast, so fast that

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I was like, Okay, what am I watching again? Like
that's the thing.

Speaker 3 (21:24):
Yes, And I think, you know, maybe I'm being harsh
on this because I wanted the opening to just be
in one situation, because not only did we get the
witch from the sixteen hundreds and then the thieves stealing
the witchboard, but we then switched to our main characters
picking mushrooms in a field, so there was just a
lot of like opening scenes, and I kind of wondered,

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if you're gonna stick with the sixteen hundreds one, just
stick with that and let us see the whole scene
of what happens to the witch. So I kind of
felt like it just switched between them all.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
I guess I went into this with a much more
open mind because I grew up on the film Warlock,
remember Warlock and Warlock two, and also hell Raiser three,
and like even Mannekin two on the Move started off
a little like with an old timey like opening and
like so so buck at the Vampire Slayer, like remember
when they said the flashback with Christy Swanson, like as

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the old peasant girl or whatever. So like I was
much more like open to it because I grew up
with this kind of schlock, Like even called schlock.

Speaker 2 (22:25):
I say called schlock. I mean, like the thing is
is that? Again?

Speaker 3 (22:28):
Like I'm also coming into this movie after two weeks
of really fantastically well written, well acted, well created, unique
horror movies, and I I found myself watching this movie
and feeling like I was watching a to be original.

Speaker 2 (22:47):
Now I'm not knocking to be too.

Speaker 3 (22:49):
We've talked about how much we love to be But
there's a certain style of movie when you find like
a to be original.

Speaker 2 (22:55):
It's not like the sleekest.

Speaker 3 (22:58):
It's a lot of cgi cheesy kind of characters, not
the best acting.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
It can still be very enjoyable, right.

Speaker 1 (23:05):
No, I guess I left my brain at the door,
and I literally did. I left my brain at the door,
and I was like, okay, Like yeah, I was like bitchboard.
I just accepted everything that was thrown up on the screen.
I was like great, great, great, sure there was but
I also was like sick.

Speaker 3 (23:21):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (23:22):
We also got to a weird part where the two thieves.

Speaker 3 (23:25):
One of them like, uh, stole the board and didn't
bring it to the guy who hired him. The other
one brings it to the guy and he's the pagan one.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
They also turn on each other and start fighting and
shooting it, hitting each other.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
I was like, what it didn't make sense, But except that,
I think what I was saying is that one of
the thieves said he was going to bring it back
to the person who hired them, but then took it
for himself, whereas the second thief went back to the
person who hired him and he said, I don't have
the board.

Speaker 2 (23:51):
The other guy took it.

Speaker 3 (23:52):
And then he has his minions, these three women who
all have the same hairstyles, slit his throat right.

Speaker 1 (23:57):
And then he leans down and like all blood goes
down into a what's the thing with this? With the
star in the circle of paradigm? How do you say that?

Speaker 3 (24:06):
Oh, like a the pagan symbol, but it's there's a
name for the Oh my god.

Speaker 1 (24:12):
The it's like a star with a circle.

Speaker 2 (24:15):
Oh my god, you're killing me.

Speaker 1 (24:16):
Anyway, So anyway, like that, all the blood goes in,
so it forms something to do something with because the blood's.

Speaker 3 (24:22):
In this very confusing a lot of paganism. Anyway, we
get to our main characters. Let's introduce our main characters.
We have the lovely couple Christen and Emily. Now, Emily
is played by Madison Eisman, who I recognized from the
really Shitty I Know What You Did last summer series
on Amazon. Now, she is not a shitty actress by

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any means. I actually thought she probably was the strongest
actor in this movie.

Speaker 1 (24:49):
She's gorgeous and she knows how to act. Yes.

Speaker 2 (24:52):
Now, Christen, her boyfriend played by Aaron Domingez.

Speaker 1 (24:56):
Now gorgeous.

Speaker 2 (24:57):
He's gorgeous, and I'll just keep it at that.

Speaker 1 (24:59):
I thought he he got the job.

Speaker 2 (25:00):
His acting was stiff, and it was tough, because.

Speaker 1 (25:03):
I don't mind a stiff You like him.

Speaker 3 (25:06):
Yeah, she Madison Eisman. You can tell she can do this,
like she can do this material. And they didn't give
her a partner who was matching her in emotional capacity.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
Now in looks, he sure matched her.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
He was super cute. Well, you know, I thought his
scenes at the very beginning, when they were in the
in the forest, I was like, okay, But then again,
it wasn't the the subject matter or the material wasn't
that tough. But once all the witchboard stuff came in,
I was like, I'm not buying.

Speaker 2 (25:38):
It exactly, but I bought it from her. I did.

Speaker 3 (25:41):
Now, the whole thing is they are opening a restaurant
in New Orleans, and they I think, use all organic ingredients.
I don't know, but they were. They were picking mushrooms
and things for their menu and she finds, as one does,
in the forest, a random pendulum board, which she decides.

Speaker 2 (26:02):
Now, let me just tell you something, Tim.

Speaker 3 (26:04):
Tell me everyone knows Ouiji boards, Whether you believe him
or not, Like they can be a little scary people.

Speaker 2 (26:10):
I've had freaky occurrence. There's a lot of people have.

Speaker 3 (26:13):
If I just found an old ass one in the
middle of nowhere, I would then leave it alone because
this I'm not talking Parker Brothers Wuigi board. This is
something that you could tell was an antique. But you know,
you don't want to.

Speaker 2 (26:27):
Mess with that shit. So she of course takes it with.

Speaker 1 (26:30):
Her right, Well, how does she be led? Be led?
How was she led to the board? Does a cat?
Was she following a cat?

Speaker 3 (26:37):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (26:37):
Yes, there's another element to this movie where the witchboard
is kind of like the movie Sleepwalkers from nineteen ninety two,
where like the cats are sometime somehow associated with the board.

Speaker 3 (26:49):
I think the cat was from the sixteen hundreds and
probably made that apparently with witchcraft they do because either
the cat was a witch in the cat's body or
the cat I can't remember if the cat was one
of the witch's pets. In the opening scene, again a
lot going on.

Speaker 1 (27:05):
There is a lot going on. And also at the
very beginning of the film they show a tree and
on this tree is just cut off hands that are
hanging from the tree. That's another element.

Speaker 2 (27:16):
I think there was something with the witch's spell.

Speaker 1 (27:18):
Or something, but it comes into play later.

Speaker 2 (27:21):
Yeah. So now I'm going to spoil one thing right away.

Speaker 3 (27:24):
Toward the end of the movie, you find out that
Madison Eisman's character Emily is a long time descended of
the witch from the sixteen hundreds. How who knows, But
so how she was hiking family blood just drew her
to that witchboard, you know. So she takes the board,
she goes back. They have a party that night. They're

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opening this restaurant.

Speaker 1 (27:47):
They love it. I forgot about this party completely. Oh,
how I guess maybe my hamburger we went to a
din in theater. Maybe my hamburger arrived. I was eating
that hamburg.

Speaker 3 (27:57):
Rest Okay, So then I'll cover this. So they are
now they're sampling the new menu. Now, I will say
one of the most appealing parts of this movie was
seeing the food they were serving.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It made me high.

Speaker 3 (28:09):
Oh well, this was like it was like a weird
fusion of like many different cuisines.

Speaker 2 (28:15):
Look great.

Speaker 3 (28:15):
Anyway, So the Christian his ex girlfriend comes to the party.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
Brook.

Speaker 3 (28:21):
Now she is this absolutely beautiful, seductive girl who obviously
still has feelings for him, but apparently she knows the occult.
So Emily shows her this board and she's like, oh,
that's a pendulum board and tells her how to do.
You have to have an artifact that means something to
use and hold it up like this.

Speaker 1 (28:39):
Did she know to open up this? Right in the
middle of this board is an eyeball? Did she know
to open up the eyeball?

Speaker 2 (28:44):
That happened later?

Speaker 3 (28:45):
What you do find out is that underneath the eyeball
is this fingerbone on a string, and apparently it is
the finger of the witch from the beginning. She doesn't
find out then. So she's using her necklace and you're
supposed to use it as like a pendulum and it's
gonna go in the direction of the answer, like yes
or the letters or something. So she tries it totally

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doesn't work, and Brooke kind of tells her you shouldn't
mess with that stuff. So again now she's hearing specifically
you shouldn't mess with that stuff.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
And Brooke, first off, she still has the huts for
the main guy. And Brooke was brought there by the
guy from Ozark and he was like, he goes, why
did you bring my ex girlfriend.

Speaker 3 (29:23):
Well, so Christian's friend. Christian's friend is named Richie and
he is played by the actor Charlie Tahan. And if
you have watched Ozark, he was he was actually Julia
Garner's brother on Ozark.

Speaker 2 (29:35):
He was good.

Speaker 3 (29:36):
That was the only thing I had recognized him from.
But funny enough, he was the only person other than
the main girl that I recognized.

Speaker 2 (29:41):
In this movie. But he's not in the movie long
because the.

Speaker 3 (29:45):
Next day they're like setting up for the restaurant and everything,
and Emily she decides she finds like the pendulum thing,
and she decides that she's gonna do it again, and
this time it's like actually working for her, so she
decides to use it.

Speaker 2 (30:00):
Oh my god, I lost my engagement ring not long ago.
Can you tell me where it is? And as it's
like leading her toward the ring?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Now, why did she lose this ring? Because have we
even talked about how she used to be an addict
to some kind of drug?

Speaker 3 (30:13):
No? So we and again, so many story answer I
just throw in there. She's a recovering addict, drug addict.
I don't know if it was heroin or what, but
she's a recovering addict. And her and Christian are engaged,
but the ex girlfriends still into him and she's asking
her about him, about how she's doing.

Speaker 1 (30:32):
I actually liked that soapropera moment because book is like,
she goes, is your girlfriend using.

Speaker 2 (30:37):
Or it's really appropriate?

Speaker 1 (30:40):
I was like, you just can't drop this whole storyline
because then I was invested.

Speaker 3 (30:43):
And but the best part is is and I think
the reason they wrote that into the story it's because
when Emily starts like acts and acting nuts.

Speaker 2 (30:51):
They immediately jumped to.

Speaker 3 (30:55):
So she's using the board, but as the board, and
I will say this was my favorite sequence the movie.
This sequence I loved because as she's using the board
apparently and it's never even explained why the this is
like unleashing the witchcraft on them. So this meat grinding
machine is turned off, like.

Speaker 1 (31:14):
The one from Seinfeld, And didn't you think of Seinfeld? Immediately?

Speaker 2 (31:18):
I didn't watch sein I actually didn't either.

Speaker 1 (31:20):
I did catch this episode where they all want this.

Speaker 3 (31:23):
Meat grinder and then like it's like an electric slicer.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
And the cast fights over on the episode.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Oh, I wasn't a funny episode.

Speaker 1 (31:30):
I mean I can't stop talking about it.

Speaker 3 (31:31):
I mean apparently it's so funny that everyone. I look,
I'm sure Seinfeld was great. I just wasn't into sitcoms
when it was on. I was young and didn't care.

Speaker 1 (31:41):
Seinfeld was not my jam.

Speaker 3 (31:44):
Okay, so we tim and I knew the second you
throw an electric slicing machine into a movie that has
any supernatural element, it's gonna be used for something.

Speaker 1 (31:56):
Because I saw it, my mind went to like final destination.
I was like, oh, this is like.

Speaker 2 (31:59):
A well, yes exactly.

Speaker 3 (32:02):
And poor Richie, he has been cutting the meat and
then he like turns to it and he like slips
on some water that's on the ground, falls onto the
meat grinder, and his hand gets fully choppedy offletely.

Speaker 1 (32:16):
Chopped off, so like the hand goes flying underneath like
a freezer or something. And this cat that was the
possessed with the cat jumps to the window and starts
eating the hand, and then I think picks it up
and jumps out the window.

Speaker 3 (32:29):
So right away, and now I don't know what you saw.
I saw, Oh, he'll be okay. They just need to
stop the bleeding. No, they aren't able to stop the
bleeding quick enough, and he dies, And that was kind
of jarring for a bunch of reasons. Number one, it
was an actor I recognize. Number Two, I didn't think people.
I mean, I guess if you get your risk cut

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off and you can't stop the bleeding.

Speaker 1 (32:51):
No one was putting anything over the wound.

Speaker 3 (32:53):
It was literally just like, oh my god, blood going everywhere.
And they were almost making jokes like he kept saying, oh,
get my hand, get my hand. So I'm thinking it's
gonna be like lighthearted. No, no, the guy died.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Yeah, And so what's the name of the main guy
in this movie?

Speaker 2 (33:05):
J Christian? Christian?

Speaker 1 (33:06):
Okay, So he jumps out the window at like a
fire escape to look for the hand and he tries
to like the cat clearly has it, and the girlfriend
is upstairs and she goes, hey, guess what I felt
engage engagement Ray. He's like, Richie just does yeah, like
there's been an accident, and she's like what, Like all
of this acting was just bizarre.

Speaker 3 (33:27):
And it's like and right away they switched to the funeral,
and I will say, at least they all looked very
sad during the funeral. But what didn't make any sense
is right after the funeral they went right back into
opening that restaurant.

Speaker 2 (33:40):
They are just going to open out.

Speaker 1 (33:42):
You know, people gotta eat.

Speaker 2 (33:43):
But well, yeah, but they didn't seem to grieve.

Speaker 3 (33:46):
And he was one of the founding members of this
like small restaurant crew. And I'm like, don't they need
to like refigure out how they're gonna do this?

Speaker 2 (33:54):
I guess not sure.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Another fun little scene is that she is so distraught
she goes to the bath room. And now she's going
to the bathroom, there's this guy that sounds like Matthew McConaughey,
who apparently is her old drug dealer. He's like, where
are you going? Okay, okay, okay, Like I was like, what.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
This random character his name is Jesse, her drug dealer.
First he approaches her at the funeral, then he tries
to call her, and all he's doing is trying to
push her to start using again. Like I'm like our
favorite client. Like I mean, I guess he just wants
to make money. But he's just like you know what,
it'll make you feel.

Speaker 2 (34:28):
But and it's like the accent was like tim said.

Speaker 1 (34:31):
Matthew mcconaugheyn it was a Matthew McConaughey impersonation.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
I love feeling like a Matthew mcconnie impersonation, but so
much so that I couldn't take him seriously.

Speaker 2 (34:40):
Were you able to take him seriously?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yes? I was like this guy, give him an.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
Oscar, okay, but now reality give him an oscar? Okay? Yeah, definitely,
just like everyone.

Speaker 1 (34:50):
The reality, it was so crazy.

Speaker 2 (34:52):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (34:52):
So then we have to get to Emily starts having
these crazy hallucinations. This is when everyone thinks she's using.
The first one, she's in bed and she imagines like
literally eighteen hands coming out of the bed all pulling
her down. And when she gets pulled down, she sees
like a scene from the sixteen hundreds that the witch
was in. So it's like, obviously the witch is trying

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to show her something. It's always trying to Yeah. Second scene,
she's in the shower and apparently the witches can lock
shower doors and turn on boiling I remind you.

Speaker 1 (35:24):
Of a Nightmare on Street five the dream Child.

Speaker 2 (35:26):
Well, when she got pulled down, I thought of Nightmare
on Street one.

Speaker 1 (35:29):
Right, a lot of nightmares.

Speaker 2 (35:31):
Oh yes, hees Part five she does get stuck in
there and then.

Speaker 1 (35:33):
Like dirty water was in there. Yeah, but that was
also a nightmare of five.

Speaker 3 (35:37):
It's like brown water gets put through, but like she
is having these such hardcore hallucinations that like either someone
would think they're going crazy or think it's supernatural, but
like she's just a mess. And Christen, her boyfriend, does
not believe her, thinks she's using, but he does go
to talk to Brook about it, as one does you
go talk to your act.

Speaker 1 (35:56):
Go talk to your gorgeous acts who wants to jump
your bones.

Speaker 3 (36:00):
So basically, she finally takes him to see her friend,
who is named Alexander Babtis. He is this guy with
awful hair.

Speaker 1 (36:12):
It's like it's like straight like this, he's.

Speaker 2 (36:15):
Down to here.

Speaker 3 (36:16):
It looks like how I wore my hair in the
mid nineties when I thought I was right.

Speaker 1 (36:20):
He's clearly this is the guy we think is bisexual,
because I think he'd have sex with a woman or
a man. Yeah, just every and his line delivery is
very specific. He's like, everything's like you're in danger.

Speaker 3 (36:32):
Like I was hired to be serious pagan guy and
I'm gonna do it in every line.

Speaker 1 (36:38):
Right, And I was like, and he did not stray
every line.

Speaker 3 (36:41):
I mean, consistency A plus authenticity zero.

Speaker 1 (36:47):
No, I bought it.

Speaker 2 (36:48):
I bought it.

Speaker 3 (36:49):
He was but he was a good character, at least
in the thinking because he's like a master of the occult,
and basically he says, I can help you, and but
really he's the guy who had the thief killed at
the beginning. So he just wants to get his hands
on this pendulum board. And he decides to go with
them back to see Emily and he's like, I'm gonna

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do put her in a trance, get her back to normal.
Well guess what, tim he didn't get her back to normal.

Speaker 1 (37:15):
No, in fact, he's he made Emily and the Witch
from Olden Times switch bodies, yes, which I was like, oh,
that's kind of fun. Freaky Friday.

Speaker 3 (37:25):
Yeah, it was very Freaky Friday. But again, add another
element of story to follow what he just make it
easy for the viewers. Psssed witchboard.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
That's it. That's all I wanted from the eighties, that's
all I want from twenty twenty.

Speaker 1 (37:37):
I thought, I was like, Okay, well, now is Emily
stuck in olden times?

Speaker 3 (37:40):
So yes, what happens is he does this like seance
thing and he transfers Emily's soul back to the sixteen
hundreds into the witch's body and the witches in jail
awaiting being burnt at the stake.

Speaker 2 (37:52):
So lucky Emily and the.

Speaker 3 (37:54):
Witch Nagasat's or soul gets transported into Emily's body.

Speaker 2 (38:00):
Now how he's able to do it? Who knows? Freak?

Speaker 3 (38:03):
And it's it's very weird because you kind of feel, well,
you felt. I felt really bad for Emily because I'm like,
oh my god, not only is she back in the
sixteen hundreds, she's in a witch's body and she's about
to be murdered, right.

Speaker 1 (38:14):
And not only that, her face is all scraped up
and she's got two different eyeballs. Yet she's she's all
messed up.

Speaker 3 (38:20):
But now nagasa Off, the witch who's taken over Emily's body,
she is like very sexually, like she's.

Speaker 1 (38:27):
Soul treated and like she's ready. I love that how
quickly she adapted to twenty twenty five.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
She is ready to fuck because she knows her hair.
She jumps on that boyfriend.

Speaker 1 (38:38):
Emily's hair no matter what, is perfect in every scene,
which I really applaud the movie just because they're like,
you know what.

Speaker 3 (38:44):
I mean, She's just the women in this film were
so beautiful, so the league I was too. Yeah, but
I mean both women, Brooke and Emily, they were just
fashion model right like I thought I was.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
They could easily be on soaps exactly.

Speaker 3 (38:59):
I mean just so beautiful like I couldn't didn't feel
like I was watching normal people because they were two
pretty anyway, So she's possessed. But guess what she's gonna
help with Christian's opening. It's opening night of the restaurant.
They're getting all the food together. Well, Emily or Nagasoth
the Witch version of Emily goes back to that force
picks a bunch of hallucinatory mushrooms to throw in the food. Now,

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the reason for this I had to even look this
up because I forgot from the movie. But if you
remembered in the past when they showed blips of the
Witch's backstory, which went on so quickly that you of
course forgotten, you.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
I mean I remembered only because I don't know how
I remember this fact, but I did.

Speaker 2 (39:40):
What oh, what I'm about saying? Yeah? Oh?

Speaker 3 (39:42):
So one of the things the Witch did to the
town that like persecuted her was she gave them something
that made them hallucinate or put a spell on them,
and they all started killing each other. And that was
her revenge on the town. She literally got all the
people who persecuted her to kill each other.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
This scene is bizarre because it's so unexpected. Like oh,
like you said, there's so many elements that are jammed
into this movie. So I was like, oh, okay, so
we're about to see the modern day people at this
restaurant kill each other.

Speaker 3 (40:10):
Yeah, And what's so crazy about this is again like
the first sequence that I love with the meat grinder.
If this movie was just about meat grinder, well, or
a witchboard that every time you used it someone died,
I'm in simple. I get it. It's possessed and it
kills people to function, but they add.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
So many stories.

Speaker 1 (40:29):
Well, I will say I liked okay, I mean because
there was fifty other things going on. But as soon
as I knew that, I was like, oh, okay, We're
about to see like this entire restaurant like freak out. Yeah,
I did get excited. I was like, Okay, this is
a good setup and I think it will be a
good payoffs. Yes, But I mean overall, I don't know
if it's great but I was like, okay, this, this

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scene may save.

Speaker 2 (40:50):
The whole film.

Speaker 3 (40:51):
This was my second favorite scene, and and it was
definitely over the top.

Speaker 2 (40:55):
But she basically all the people.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
Who are eating or eating these mushrooms, oh, it's delicious whatever,
and they.

Speaker 1 (41:00):
Start do you eat mushrooms?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I love mushrooms? Are you talking about like magic?

Speaker 1 (41:05):
Mushrooms looked fake? They did look fake.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
They looked very exotic. But remember this whole restaurant is
close to.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
Be like do people eat like do they order? I
guess some kind of yes.

Speaker 2 (41:18):
You.

Speaker 3 (41:18):
There's millions of types of mushrooms and usually they're I
mean they look like that. Some mushrooms do. Oh okay,
So they're feeding them. And first off, like one of
the girls in the restaurant starts like like assaulting the waiters,
grab and his ass, doing stuff, and her date's like,
what are you doing? I'm right here. Other people start
freaking out. First they're all hallucinating and laughing. Then they

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start killing each other, fights break out.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
There's like another added thing to this movie. There's like
a food critic there, and like Emily really takes the time.
She's like, enjoy this nail, and he's like, yeah, like,
it's like another element with this food critic. I was like,
there's another character being in me.

Speaker 3 (41:58):
They just wanted this food again there to kill him violently,
which they did. But what's really sad is a couple
of the staff who are not hallucinating. We get he stabbed,
meaning part of Christian Emily's team to produce a restaurant
gets stabbed by the patrons who are just there get
stabbed to death. Other people are killing each other. Everyone's
killing each other. The guy Alexander is there with Brook.

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He takes her away so they don't get killed. They
just like watch what's happening, and Emily's just sitting there.
Witch Emily is just sitting there like loving it because
her plan went through and it's just a complete mess.

Speaker 1 (42:33):
Right. Well, I guess well we do find out the
whole reason that the creepy guy with the long hair
and Emily they just want world domination.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (42:41):
I mean there's a.

Speaker 3 (42:42):
Lot of weird again familial ties because they every time
they show a clip from the sixteen hundreds with the
witch Nagasath, there's this guy who is his name's Bishop
Grogan who is hunting her and hates her and apparently Alexander,
we find out, is a descendant of his, so he
wants to conquer the witches and use them for himself.

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And Emily is a descendant of the witch, which is
why I guess they can switch bodies.

Speaker 2 (43:09):
But much I know, and you're using the names, I'm like,
that not necessary.

Speaker 3 (43:13):
It's only because I had to look this up because
I knew that I wouldn't be able to describe it
correctly if I didn't refresh my memory on who the
fuck all.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
These people are so proud of you for pronouncing all
those hard names from the past, because.

Speaker 2 (43:25):
Brooks the one us off. Yeah like that, Oh you
don't hear that every No, But.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
I mean, like, I love that you're doing that.

Speaker 3 (43:34):
I mean, I'm just trying to especially if you are
listening or watching this and haven't seen it, and again,
I'm pretty sure a lot of you have it, I
want you to know we're talking about her who. So anyway,
finally Christen goes with Brooke to Alexander's place because they're like,
we need to save Emily and and figure this out,
and basically he knows that something is wrong with Emily.
Whatever Alexander did didn't work. He doesn't know Alexander's the

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villain until he finally gets there and sees that Alexander
basically is running this like Witch Coult with all these
people who wanted to put the Witch's body or witch
is soul back into Emily's body.

Speaker 2 (44:07):
And Kristen is just like, like, he finally.

Speaker 3 (44:10):
Realizes Alexander's a villain, and there's like a big shootout.

Speaker 1 (44:14):
Yeah, Like the main character, the guy we care about,
the hottest guy in the movie, is shot twice.

Speaker 2 (44:20):
Yes, he's like, he gets in a.

Speaker 3 (44:21):
Shootout with a lot of the people in the colt,
but then he gets shot twice by Alexander, and I thought,
for sure, Oh he'll get through it.

Speaker 2 (44:27):
Oh no, he doesn't.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
He doesn't. I was actually like, Okay, I actually was
surprised by that.

Speaker 3 (44:32):
Yeah, but I don't know if you were. I was
surprised by that. I didn't think they were gonna kill him.
I thought maybe they'd kill the girl, But.

Speaker 1 (44:39):
Actually I was like, they're not gonna have the lead
girl that we're kind of invested in to get burnt
at the time.

Speaker 3 (44:44):
Then Yeah, then they're also switching back to the sixteen
hundreds and they're about to like light the witch on fire,
but it's not her, it's Emily. And then like Emily
as a witch finally realizes that Alexander actually just wants
to controller. So they kind of fight and the witchboard
gets thrown into the fire, but when it's burning, the
souls re switch it.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Yeah, so then the mean witch from Olden Times is
back a steak and then she holds that mean guy
close to her, so they both burn up on the
steak in the Olden times.

Speaker 3 (45:14):
Yeah, they both burned together. Now Emily is back, has
seen that well, she knows that she was transported, and
because this guy's a fraud, she sees that Chrishtan is
dead and was shot by him, so she shoots him
in the head. And it's pretty amazing. I will say
I did like that because you know how so many
horror movies at the end, like the good person doesn't
want to kill the bad guy because they're like the

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cops come or whatever.

Speaker 2 (45:38):
She just is like boom, you're.

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Emily, like I understand everything that just happened, and I
will shoot you in.

Speaker 2 (45:42):
The head exactly, And she shot him in the head.

Speaker 3 (45:44):
So anyway, like, so Emily is alive, Brook is alive,
everyone else is dead, like literally, his entire restaurant crew dead.
Everyone in the restaurant dead except for Brook and yes,
except for the two girls. So they did this, and
I gotta say this was such as.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
It could have end there.

Speaker 3 (46:02):
So they're getting Alexander's body in a body bag. Remember
he was shot in the head, and as they're zipping
it up, his eyes flash open like this he was shot.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
And then okay, so that wasn't cheesy enough. You go
one step further and like, okay, brooks now talking to
a leader.

Speaker 3 (46:21):
It's a Catholic priest at the Vatican. She's brought the
pendulum board because he wants it from her, I guess,
to keep it from doing evil.

Speaker 2 (46:29):
And she says, well, I brought this for you. You're
gonna pay me.

Speaker 1 (46:31):
He gives her like a goony style of like bag
of diamonds like this some goodies.

Speaker 3 (46:38):
Yeah, and then she walks out and you see Emily's
with her, Like, I guess they've teamed up.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
They're like career women.

Speaker 3 (46:44):
Their career women making money off of getting rid of
this board. But the Catholic priest at the very end,
rather than leaving it alone or putting it somewhere he
starts to use it, or to try to use it,
and then in one cheesy cgi scare, they have the
witch from olden times come up behind him, and that's
how the movie ended.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
But you know that, I mean not that, like it
would have been better if they just had the bad
guy in the body bag and the eyes open. But
I want to know if they were like, you know
what would be great, Let's take Emily and Brook and
make them business women of evil.

Speaker 2 (47:15):
But but I don't know, okay, was their motive evil?

Speaker 3 (47:20):
I kind of felt like they were just like, we
have this board, let's make some money off of it.
And I got the feeling that maybe they thought of
any place that'll be safe in like the Vatican.

Speaker 1 (47:28):
Oh, I didn't gather that. My takeaway was like I
feel I.

Speaker 2 (47:32):
Feel unleash the spirit all right, Like, no matter.

Speaker 1 (47:35):
What, this board isn't gonna be good for anybody. Yeah,
so were if they really really wanted to end it,
the girls should have burnt it or buried it or
done something. But instead they're like, let's keep it going
and get some diamond.

Speaker 2 (47:44):
Let's get some money off of it. So this is
where I thought.

Speaker 3 (47:47):
I actually thought the eye opening part was the cheesiest.
I thought they should have cut that and actually just
stuck with the ending with the two women because at
least as cheesy as the jump scare was, even in that,
at least it was like we get that button. Like, Okay,
Brooke and Emily are teaming up together and doing something,
but the guy opening his eyes in a body bag,
like I guess because there's witchcraft involved, but like, it

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was so cheesier.

Speaker 2 (48:10):
Remind me of remember the end.

Speaker 3 (48:12):
Of Halloween Resurrection with Michael's eyes Yeah, oh did you?

Speaker 1 (48:16):
Yeah? Oh right. I was like, I was like, this
movie's pulling.

Speaker 2 (48:19):
A Resurrection, which again similar quality.

Speaker 3 (48:22):
So yeah, it's just it was just Look, there were
elements about this movie that I really enjoyed. There were
certain scenes that I liked, like I said, with the
meat grinder machine and the restaurant scene that were strong,
and I thought that the main girl was very strong
in it. Other than that, I thought the story was
very convoluted. There were too many different elements that play,

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too many time periods and too many things going on.
I wanted more Ouiji board and less crazy story elements.

Speaker 1 (48:51):
Okay, I thought it was the perfect film of twenty
twenty five shout, I can't wait to see it again.
And every performance was flawless.

Speaker 3 (48:58):
And the direction was if we had a lie detector
test right now, Tim would be going.

Speaker 1 (49:03):
Off the chest. No no, ig with everything you just said.
But but I wanted.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
A butt, no no no, And I want you to grow.

Speaker 1 (49:13):
Yeah, I want to the male nudity. Thank you. You know,
I know you like this more than me, because I again,
I grew up with Warlock, Warlock two, Hell Raiser three,
Like they all had like this magic element that I
was like fine with as a kid. So I guess,
I guess I was just like very comfortable in my
chair and I was like, oh, this reminds me of

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my childhood. Like these films, I didn't really take it
that seriously. I mean like I was just like, this
is already pretty silly. So I mean I liked the
opening of the Olden Times and the Witches. I thought
that was all pretty filmed. But then again it was
you couldn't take anything you were watching seriously. Like I
said before, you literally have to leave your brain at
the door. I mean, like there were so many loopholes

(49:54):
and everything, and like some of it was like just
like it was like a blender of ideas.

Speaker 2 (50:00):
Definitely exactly, but the.

Speaker 1 (50:01):
Cast was so cute. I was like, I didn't mind
watching what they were doing.

Speaker 2 (50:05):
Oh easy to look at.

Speaker 3 (50:06):
I think whereas those movies you mentioned resonated with you,
the original Witchboard really resonated with me. So I think
I probably went in even though I knew before I
went in it wasn't gonna be like that. Still remembering
that Witchboard and what that movie, how that resonated with
me and this one just did not.

Speaker 1 (50:25):
And you you had a very good point. Who is
the bad guy in the original Witchboard? Molth Fader, Yeah,
they didn't have any character like that.

Speaker 3 (50:32):
I mean, I guess the other way, well, sort of
everyone was a little gray because like even Emily and Christian,
like they saw on the news that this board they
found in the forest was an artifact that was stolen
and people wanted it and they didn't return to police.
Now true, Emily said, oh it's because I have a
drug record and I'll get busted and stuff.

Speaker 2 (50:52):
But still, like nobody was just good.

Speaker 1 (50:55):
Well, there was another scene. This is such a besides
the scene point, but like she's holding that cat, you
know that took away his friend's hand, and so when
he walks in and he's like hey, and she's like,
can we keep.

Speaker 2 (51:06):
The cat, and he's like, my friend, just yes.

Speaker 1 (51:09):
My friend's hand was chopped off in that particular cat
that you're holding was running around and eating out of it.

Speaker 3 (51:15):
Like yeah, I don't think he told her that, but well,
I was like, why isn't even it was? It was
you know, grief and horror movies can sometimes be glazed
over if not done well, and this one was glazed over.

Speaker 2 (51:26):
I mean at the funeral again, they were sad.

Speaker 3 (51:29):
Oh we even we forgot one death the drug dealer
that sounded like Matthew McConaughey, Oh, he gets that. He's
on the top of a roof and the witch cat
jumps on him and starts clawing at him, and he's
like and he falls off the.

Speaker 1 (51:42):
Road, and all the other drug drug people, all his
friends on the roof just like look over, like, oh
my god.

Speaker 3 (51:48):
But when he falls in Very Black Christmas two thousand
and six ending, oh, he falls and gets him paled
by some.

Speaker 2 (51:54):
Huge like yeah, I don't know.

Speaker 1 (51:56):
It was like a statue with like a sword, and
he died on it.

Speaker 2 (52:00):
I guess I've just seen that so many times. That's
another thing.

Speaker 1 (52:03):
It was a movie that we've everything week. Yeah, we've
seen this movie before, but I guess.

Speaker 3 (52:09):
And again it's like again, our last two weeks of
movie reviews were two movies that we have definitely not
seen before together in weapons, not seen anything like that before.

Speaker 2 (52:18):
This movie. Elements of this I've seen in millions of.

Speaker 1 (52:21):
That's the thing. Like, I don't know if what I'm
about to say is insulting or not. This movie could
have been made in nineteen eighty nine, nineteen ninety nine,
two thousand and nine. There's there's very few things other
than maybe a cell phone or an iPhone that would
differentiate it from any other year that I just mentioned.

Speaker 3 (52:37):
Like, you mean, it just didn't feel like it didn't
feel like twenty twenty five.

Speaker 1 (52:41):
Yeah, it didn't. It felt oh yeah, well he it wasn't.
The Only thing that felt current to me was Emily's hairstyle.
I was like, Okay, that's today's hairstyle. I guess.

Speaker 3 (52:49):
I'm I'm just confused in terms of the filmmakers, why well,
why if you want to take the name with board,
which has equity because there was a nineteen eighties movie
and you say.

Speaker 2 (53:04):
You're gonna do a remake or reimagining.

Speaker 3 (53:06):
Why do that and then change everything completely, Like just
put out a new movie. Maybe don't call it pendulum Board,
because you're right, that doesn't roll off the tongue, but
don't use witchboard. Use a different title and make it
a new movie because you're gonna get compared to the original.
Remember when the prom that remake came out, Like, I think.

Speaker 1 (53:25):
The girl next to me and with her mother, they
were like, we loved it ten out of ten.

Speaker 2 (53:29):
So it's like I think they would have loved like
a trapeze artist.

Speaker 1 (53:32):
I know, but I'm just saying, like, I don't think
they win it with like girl because you know, you
talked to mom like that and she says it better
be like that nineteen eighty six mold with Tawny.

Speaker 3 (53:42):
True, but I you didn't get the feeling that, like
the people next to you like don't go to movies
at all. I got the idea love that that maybe
like this was the first movie they had seen in
a year, right, And so of course I don't space
witch in a year. I would think anything on screen
is really cool. It's tough because we see horror movies

(54:03):
all the time and we review them all the time,
So of course we're going to be more critical, right right, right,
I guess we're allowed to be because you know, we
talk to you as like.

Speaker 1 (54:10):
So silly and so fun just you know, I mean, like,
I mean, I would see it again only just because
it's so just like they don't care, you know what
I mean. There's like we are going to have every
stereotype and cliche and they just didn't care.

Speaker 2 (54:26):
I would agree with silly, I'd partially agree with fun. Again.

Speaker 3 (54:31):
There were parts of it that I found fun. There
were parts of it that I just found kind of dragging.
I felt like it was too long for a movie.
I mean again, I'm sure they was all the time.

Speaker 2 (54:40):
Oh god it was.

Speaker 3 (54:44):
The running time was almost two hours, one problem, one
hour and fifty two minutes.

Speaker 1 (54:51):
Maybe maybe the whole thing for me was a fever dream,
because no, just I literally was probably how to fever.

Speaker 3 (54:58):
I think I think what you said made a lot
of when you grew up with movies that were like
crazy all over the place, and that's kind of like
your your happy place or your comfort zone, like you
can see this movie for what it is. I just
like I've said this a million times, I love the
simpler the better, And when you have too many crazy
story elements and conflicting things, you're gonna lose my interest.

Speaker 2 (55:21):
And that's what this movie did.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:22):
I Also, what I was saying about the Prom Night
remake is is like Prom Night, they say they're doing
a remake, it comes out. I remember loving your original
prom Li I go in. It's nothing like it except
for the fact that takes place at prom right away.
That's going to disappoint people. Who are, you know, thinking, oh,
it's a remake.

Speaker 1 (55:39):
I wanted a Kim character. We didn't get it.

Speaker 3 (55:41):
Yeah, well, yeah, and prom Night, but I wanted mal
Fader in this one, or I will at least have
a funny psychic that says TTFN like.

Speaker 2 (55:48):
There were certain.

Speaker 3 (55:49):
Elements that they didn't even have, like a funny psychic
that's like crazy to me, or or like you said,
the like the the two men kind of fighting over
the girl, but then they kind of become each other,
like it was nice.

Speaker 2 (56:02):
There were so many elements of which there.

Speaker 1 (56:04):
Was no real relationship for me other than the couple.
And even that I thought was too thin because he
kept leaving her. Yeah, he kep go be a detective
with Brooke.

Speaker 2 (56:14):
He's well now.

Speaker 3 (56:15):
He in fairness to me, I guess he was trying
to save her in a way. But I guess it's like,
you know, I don't know. I knew she was bothered
by him spending time with her.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
The thing that you said on the drive home, which
I thought was so funny, was like both Brooke and
her boyfriend kept saying like, she's obsessed with the witch boys. Yeah,
she's obsessed. And I was like, all she did was
do one thing.

Speaker 3 (56:37):
Yeah. Yeah, she uses it like once or times, which
is why I said this movie even more witchboard, because
there actually wasn't that much witchboard. She used it like
once or maybe twice, and like the other time she
was just being hot the next few days.

Speaker 2 (56:49):
Yeah, the other time, she's just having crazy hallucination.

Speaker 3 (56:51):
Her boyfriend Brooke like they're telling the guy like, God,
she's obsessed with the board day and night.

Speaker 2 (56:56):
She's using it all the time, and we're like, did
we miss something.

Speaker 1 (56:59):
We used it one yeah, we started maybe and then
at the party she used it with Brooke.

Speaker 3 (57:03):
Well, Brooke was explaining to her how to do it,
but like zero obsession. They immediately think she's obsessed, and
I was using I was kind of like, I'd rather
see that movie, Like I wanted to see more scenes
where she's doing the Witchboard and it's killing people on
the side.

Speaker 2 (57:18):
Again, stick with that. You got me?

Speaker 1 (57:21):
You know what? See I want? You know what movie
I wanted?

Speaker 2 (57:23):
Tell me this is the movie I wanted.

Speaker 1 (57:24):
I wanted Emily and Brook to still be fighting over
that guy.

Speaker 2 (57:30):
So you wanted a soap up, I wanted a soap rouper.

Speaker 1 (57:32):
Just take out the Witchboard age. We just have a
love triangle between Brooke Emily and how come I can't.

Speaker 2 (57:37):
Remember his name Kristian Christ.

Speaker 1 (57:40):
You know.

Speaker 3 (57:40):
Look, I think what I would say for people, I
would say, I wouldn't rush out to see this movie
if it hits streaming.

Speaker 2 (57:48):
What I would say is watch the original Witchboard.

Speaker 3 (57:51):
I just think now again, though one caveat on the
original Witchboard. It is very eighties, Like, do not watch
the nineteen eighty six Witchboard. Think you're seeing like a
current level type of horror movie. It's very eighties, but
there's something nostalgic and fun and cool and gritty and cheesy,
but it works in a way.

Speaker 1 (58:11):
That there's everyone in everyone in the originallye teen eighty
sixth one took it seriously this movie, everyone's just kind
of like there. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:19):
Although again, one thing I will say, although Madison Eisman,
who the main actress, unfortunately has been in now too
poor horror choices for projects, look, her acting is great.

Speaker 1 (58:31):
This movie has a budget and it looks good. And
I was about to say it's beautifully shot. It is
beautifully shot, Like, it looks good, Bengo card everyone. The
movie looks fantastic.

Speaker 3 (58:41):
Yeah, I mean a lot of CGI and in cheesy ways,
but again.

Speaker 1 (58:46):
In cheesy movies you can have CGI. True. Yeah. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (58:48):
Again it's like, but did you get the to be
original field that I had? Like, did you get that
feel watching it?

Speaker 1 (58:53):
I think it's I've never seen a to be original
on a big screen, so I felt like I was like, oh,
this is kind of fun. Well, so that's where my
mind was.

Speaker 3 (59:01):
So that's what I would say about this Witchboard. We
had high hopes. Expectations were not met. And again, since
this is such a tough movie to find in theaters.
In fact, I think it's gonna be gone after doing so.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
Bad he's streaming.

Speaker 2 (59:17):
Hopefully it'll be streaming. I mean, good luck for it.

Speaker 3 (59:19):
I hope that it does, and I hope Chuck Russell
continues to do more projects, maybe more like night mun
oh three three. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (59:25):
No, I think he did a good job. I mean,
he made a film. I mean, I'm sure when he
got that script he was like, Okay, how can I
make Heather tails of this?

Speaker 3 (59:32):
Apparently he reworked it and was involved in Like he's
credited as a co writer, so he was very involved
in it.

Speaker 2 (59:40):
And you know, again, I think that just like.

Speaker 3 (59:44):
Any director or writer, there's projects you love that they
do in those projects that you're not as big of
a fan of, And there's a lot of projects he's
done that we love.

Speaker 2 (59:53):
This one I wasn't as big of a fan of.

Speaker 1 (59:55):
So interesting that they picked nineteen eighty six as witch
Board right before the fortieth anniversary.

Speaker 3 (59:59):
I yeah, like, why not wait till twenty twenty six?
But again, it wasn't even a remake, it was just
using the same title.

Speaker 2 (01:00:06):
So yeah, but anyway, so that is Witchboard.

Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
We're really excited about what's to come on the podcast
because just you know, like if you've been watching the
last few weeks, we've done a ton of movie reviews
because before that we had done a ton of interviews. Well,
now we're kind of getting back to kind of switching off,
so you're gonna see some really fun, cool new interviews
that we're excited about.

Speaker 2 (01:00:26):
And there's a.

Speaker 3 (01:00:27):
Lot of really good, cool horror movies coming out that
we're gonna be reviewing, especially as we get closer to
Spooky Season.

Speaker 1 (01:00:33):
Spooky season.

Speaker 3 (01:00:35):
Yes, so thank you for sticking with us, Thank you
for your support, and.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Go play with your witchboord.

Speaker 2 (01:00:40):
Go play with your witchboard. You're obsessed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:42):
Now you are so obsessed with that witchboord.

Speaker 2 (01:00:44):
Tim you played it once, you are obsessed.

Speaker 1 (01:00:46):
Listen to I Needed to find my wedding ring and
a husband.

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