Ep 273: The Rite to Remain Scary

Marketing for “The Conjuring: Last Rites” billed it as the end of the series… but considering it had the biggest global opening ever for a horror movie, this franchise will inevitably live on. Tune in to hear us break down all the scariest moments (one in particular that made Matt jump), whether its 135-minute running time was necessary, and how it compared, in our opinion, to the other Conjuring films.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Welcome to Happy Hord Time. My name is Tim Murdoch.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmert. And it is September,
which you know what that means.

Speaker 1 (00:18):
Tim.

Speaker 2 (00:18):
It's still hot where we are. It is still fucking
hot where you are, whoever's watching this, Hopefully it is
starting to cool down. Get that autumn crisp, chill in
the air.

Speaker 1 (00:30):
You can have like a pumpkin on your front.

Speaker 2 (00:32):
Port, exactly. I one of the things. I look, there's
a lot of great reasons to live in California, a
lot of pros. One of the cons is that we
don't get that picturesque autumn that like the Northeast and
other areas get with, like the red and orange foliage
and like what you see in all the horror movies
we love to take place around this time. We don't

(00:53):
get got that in Ohio.

Speaker 1 (00:55):
How yeah, yeah, oh.

Speaker 2 (00:56):
You're saying that come like presently. Yeah. Wait, So you
grew up with like a real autumn.

Speaker 1 (01:02):
I remember, Like so, I mean like a couple maybe
the first two weeks of like school, like it was
still a little toasty, but then it turns and then
you could walk to school with a hot cocoa one hand.

Speaker 2 (01:13):
And would you ever see like a man in a
white mask behind a hedge watching you?

Speaker 1 (01:17):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (01:18):
Got it always? How about outs while you're in school,
like the teacher's talking to you and you look out
the window and they're standing next to their car. Yes, okay,
And then how about if they speed by you and
you say speed kills jerk? Doesn't she say? Who says jerk?
Of Annie?

Speaker 1 (01:34):
Okay?

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Best movie ever? Halloween nineteen? So it okay? Well, and
speaking of Ohio, Tim's making a little trip very soon.

Speaker 1 (01:41):
Yes, I canna see my mom and dad. And I
actually was talking to my mom. Mama talked to my
mom today and I said, yeah, we're talking about The
Conjuring and she goes, oh, it starts that Nicholson. I
said what and she said yeah, the Nicholson. I said,
are your to Jack Nicholson from The Shining?

Speaker 2 (02:02):
She goes, oh, you know.

Speaker 1 (02:03):
What I mean.

Speaker 2 (02:04):
You're like, no, Actually, I don't wait.

Speaker 1 (02:06):
To get completely different. Films can get completely Yeah, it's like, okay, oh,
let's start.

Speaker 2 (02:11):
She probably thought Conjuring scary supernatural stuff. The Shining.

Speaker 1 (02:16):
Yeah, She's like, but but she said that Nicholson.

Speaker 2 (02:18):
That Nicholson. So your mom is a huge horror fan.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
No, I mean, like I she'll get it, but it
takes like I now see how we're connected my mom
and I like, I mean I'm sure, like sometimes it
takes me a little while to get there, Like I like,
bring something up.

Speaker 2 (02:33):
Is that what your mom does? Yes? So what do
you get from your dad?

Speaker 1 (02:37):
Sports? Oh?

Speaker 2 (02:38):
Yeah, you're love sports.

Speaker 1 (02:41):
I love sports.

Speaker 2 (02:42):
No, but there's got to be like personality attributes that
your dad, Like is he you know I've never met
your dad, which is crazy, But you never met my dad? No,
because I don't think has he ever visited La in
two thousand and one? Okay, so that was Prematt and
Tim friendship. I've met Tim's mom, who is amazing, Darlene,
But I don't think I've met Jim.

Speaker 1 (03:03):
Well, just as amazing, But I don't I think he
actually would know that Jack.

Speaker 2 (03:09):
Nicholson is in the Shining Yeah, and he probably would
call him Jack Nicholson, not that Nicholson, Right.

Speaker 1 (03:13):
I like that My mom is like she knows him
so well.

Speaker 2 (03:15):
It's like, you know, that's that Nicholson.

Speaker 1 (03:17):
It's like when people interview Sharon Stone and she ref
refers to Martin Scorsese as Marty. I hate those people,
but I love Sharon Stone. But like you know when
people say like like oh me and Marty like can it?

Speaker 2 (03:30):
Yeah, we get it. You worked with him on Casino, right,
I have never seen either, have I crazy?

Speaker 1 (03:37):
Thank God we're not.

Speaker 2 (03:37):
Doing like I love review of Casino Horror podcast. Okay,
we gotta address Tim's look for today, Tim, tell everyone
what you were going on. I am having an identity crisis. No.

Speaker 1 (03:49):
I originally I had like a shirt on, but like
I literally was fading into the white wall because it
was kind of white. So I'm not wearing Matt's big
boy shirt. And but tell them why you have like
I trying to look like Patrick Wilson, who stars in
the film we're talking about today, because you know, I
can't look like Timurdo.

Speaker 2 (04:09):
I want to look like Patrick Wilson exactly Ed Warren.
So you want to hear something funny about the real
life Warrens versus Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga who play them.
They're not frauds, they're.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Out.

Speaker 2 (04:24):
The real life Warrens were just like average looking people,
and Patrick Wilson and Vera Farmiga are so good looking
at now again. Of course, movie stars playing people you're
there's always going to be like you as a supermodel.
But it's just funny because if you look at pictures, yes,

(04:45):
like Vera Fromiga has the hairstyle and and Patrick Wilson's
dressing like him. But that's where the similarities that you did.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
Know that Vera the actress has met the real life.

Speaker 2 (04:55):
And she I read a quote years ago when one
of the other conjuring movies came out when she was
still alive, because I think she died in twenty nineteen,
Lorraine Warren, and she said she even made fun of
how beautiful the actors playing them were. It's like if
we were played by that Damon and Ben Afflecks or
I always say, like Jacob Elordi, I'm trying to yung
us down a little, no, be like okay, yeah, yeah,

(05:18):
Jacob Elordi. Or who's also like really hot right now
as a guy.

Speaker 1 (05:22):
Joey Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (05:23):
Joey Lawrence, let's go back at a time machine. Joey
Lawrence is definitely not who's like the young new hot
thing other than Jacob Alordie. I keep thinking of girls
funny enough, like the cast off. I know you did
less on Glenn Powell. Glen, that would be great to
be played by. Yeah. If you could be played by
anyone in a horror movie, tim, who would you want
to be played by? Those would be my two, Glenn

(05:44):
Powell and Jacob Elordi. I probably look more like Jacob
Elordi just because of the brunette.

Speaker 1 (05:48):
Right, So I guess I'm glad Glen Powell, thank you,
Thank you well.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Okay, So if anybody wants to write a horror movie
about two gay podcasters who get let's say, stalked by
a killer, contact Jacob Alordie and Glenn Powell to play us.
Thank you, Yeah, and I think they'll be into it.
What do you think?

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Absolutely?

Speaker 2 (06:06):
Yes, exactly. I mean they both have to be gay in.

Speaker 1 (06:08):
The movie, and they have one not that we're we're
not kissing, but we want them to kiss.

Speaker 2 (06:13):
Yes, just like for some reason, like they get drunk
and it happens. And then who would play Jacob in Paris? Okay,
my brain can't handle this. I know it's Sweeney and
Joey Lawrence. Jacob wouldn't be played by.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
I don't know where Joey Lawrence came from. That's hilariously
made his younger brother, Matthew Lawrence.

Speaker 2 (06:29):
He's he is very good looking. But here, yes, they're
older now, so anyway, not.

Speaker 1 (06:35):
They I just I'm not my my foot is not
really in the door of young Hollywood anymore.

Speaker 2 (06:41):
Neither am I to be honest. But that's okay because
a lot of well, we're we're getting to know new
people because we talk about new horror movies. But getting
into today's movie, this is we are talking about The
Conjuring Last Rites. Now, the big marketing ploy for this
movie is that it's the final film in the well,
the Conjuring portion of the franchise. I'm sure there's gonna

(07:03):
be more Annabelle's more Nuns.

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Can I ask you a question, ask me, do you
think there will be another Conjuring film and within the
next ten years?

Speaker 2 (07:12):
Okay, do you mean something called The Conjuring with Patrick Wilson,
Vera Famiga or just based off of one of those artifacts.

Speaker 1 (07:20):
Uh, not as spinoffs of the Nuns or the Animal.

Speaker 2 (07:23):
Oh, another Conjuring. No. I actually think they're gonna stick
to it because not because they can't bring people back,
but I just feel like Vera Famiga and Patrick Wilson
have played these characters in a lot of movies. I
read some interviews. They're like, oh, we want we don't
want to get to the point where we're playing them
on our deathbed. So I feel like maybe the conjuring

(07:44):
portion of this universe universe is done. But think about
every artifact in they're occult museum. That's tons of movies
right there.

Speaker 1 (07:52):
I did not know this fun fact. I think they
really filmed in a house and but like they took
over someone's house to film, like where the artifacts were.

Speaker 2 (08:01):
You mean that's not really because they had a studio. Yeah, yeah, yeah.
Remember when we talked about on one of our news commentaries, which,
by the way, if you don't tune in on our
YouTube channel, every week we either do a news commentary
or ranking video. It's tons of fun. Anyway, we talked
about how Matt Rife, that comedian, bought the house that
has the museum with all the artifacts, and I think
he's gonna airbnb it. But you were saying they like

(08:23):
recreated it, I mean for the movie. Yeah, yeah, yeah, Oh,
I'm sure, I'm sure everything was recreated. I mean, you
told me this movie was filmed in London. But it's
supposed to take place in Pittsburgh, right right.

Speaker 1 (08:33):
Like, so I was it's the street, and so I
saw the director being interviewed the Smirls. Apparently the four
girls are still alive. So he was like saying like, hey,
you know, like because apparently there was a nineteen eighties film,
maybe ninety one TV movie of the Week, and they
were like, we're not happy with this because it wasn't
accurate and we actually lived on this street. And so

(08:53):
like the director Michael Chavaz.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
Right Chavez or okay, yeah something I'm not He was like.

Speaker 1 (09:00):
Really making it authentic and they're like, yeah, like we're gonna,
you know, up it, you know, because it's Warner Brothers
is not a TV movie of the Week. So it's
like we're gonna put Apparently there was a tree in
front of the house, and they're like, oh my gosh.
The four girls were like you have to put the
tree in front, and they're like, you know, expensiveness to
make movies.

Speaker 2 (09:16):
So with that said, I also looked up what the
similarities were between this movie and what really happened to
the smurl family, because this movie focuses on hauntings and
occurrences that take place in this house with the smurl family,
and they definitely amped everything up in this movie. I mean,

(09:36):
let me just tell you. We'll go through when we
talk about the things that happened, but what actually happened
versus what you see in this movie starkly different, the
very loosely basic.

Speaker 1 (09:46):
The biggest difference for me is like, Okay, so Annabel
is a creepy doll, and you know, Warner Brothers has
perfected it like the look, but the real one is
raggedy ann.

Speaker 2 (09:55):
And Andy exactly. And also Annabel had nothing to do
with these hauntings. Another thing that was apparently, so there's
some things apparently what I read the Smirl family, they
did talk about being haunted and having paranormal activity in
their house, and things that were in the movie that
they mentioned that I noticed were that they claim because
we you know, we weren't there, they claimed that their

(10:16):
dog was thrown against the wall, which we saw in
the movie. Luckily he was still alive because I would
have been pissed, right, Like, it's.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
So interesting that people get so much more angry about
dog abuse than people.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
One hundred percent. I don't want to see hit that person.
Don't hit the dog. Okay. Second thing that apparently really
happened was apparently a light fixture did fall and almost
hurt and hurt the daughter. Now again, that can happen
at anytime. They also, of course had a lot of
vision shadows and stuff like that. But and then I
guess there was no mirror, which is like the whole

(10:48):
point of this movie. There was no mirror in there.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
Was there a young teenage daughter spitting up glass.

Speaker 2 (10:52):
No, apparently the young teenage daughter did have like fits
of vomiting when the Warrens came to their house. Maybe
she was just grossed out by this, but obviously there
was no glass, nothing like that. And then they apparently
the Warrens did say there were multiple spirits in the house,
but it was not like an axe murderer who murdered
two people, so they And then the last thing and

(11:15):
then we'll get to the movie, is that apparently the
Warrens aren't even credited with removing the spirits from the
house in the movie. It's what they do. But apparently
it was some other priests that like said a bunch
of prayers and got rid of the race.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
I mean, I'm not looking to these films for accuracy.
You know what I was like as I'm sitting like, yeah,
I know, I know, yeah, like I but don't get
me wrong, I'm totally one hundred percent entertained by the
Conjuring films.

Speaker 2 (11:41):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (11:41):
I sad to say the twenty twenty one film that
we saw, I don't remember anything about it other than
the devil made me do it. The devil made me
do it. And apparently that's a real case. So like
the guy's whole thing in court was like, hey, I
killed someone because the devil made me do it.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
He was, he said he was possessed, and that brought
up the idea I know exactly, can you used as
an excuse? Yeah, that was the weakest of the three
previous conjuring films for me. Number one was incredible. I
remember number one being so monumental. We talked about it
in one of our bonus episodes on Patreon. It's really
a great film. And number two was good too. Now,
both of those movies, was it.

Speaker 1 (12:16):
Physically physically was it actually called like with the number
three in the title.

Speaker 2 (12:20):
No not, the devil made me do it, so it
was just conjuring, Conjuring two conjuring devil made me do it,
and then this one, the conjuring last writes, oh one
other thing about what really happened to the smirl family.
Then this was odd because you don't hear this so much.
The dad, Jack Smurle, apparently claimed he was sexually assaulted
by the demon multiple times. Now, luckily we didn't have

(12:44):
to see that in this movie. There's one scene when
he like levitates above a bed and he can't move
and he sees that old woman spirit. But that's about it.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Does climb on top of him.

Speaker 2 (12:54):
Oh, yes she did. Yes, Luckily they don't go into
details with what she was doing.

Speaker 1 (12:58):
See what happened?

Speaker 2 (12:59):
Yeah, but it is different that and it almost makes
me think, Okay, at the time I read, a lot
of people thought they were making shit up, even some
of some some church officies that officials that went to
the house thought that they were making it up. Now
with that said, everyone in the family has claimed that
this happened. So that's a lot of people have them.

(13:21):
It's two parents, four kids, two grandparents. Also for the
male father figure to claim sexual assault, that just feels
like something that someone wouldn't just make up out of nowhere,
but I don't know. I don't know. They also said
I read one thing that said he was having some

(13:42):
brain issues at the time too, and obviously that can
make you think a lot of things are happening that aren't.

Speaker 1 (13:49):
Okay, just to lay this on the table, lay it
on the table. I don't believe any of it, Okay.
I do not believe any of it, and I know that,
like I do I believe in ghosts. I do not,
And I'm just saying that, Like, but I believe in
this movie. I believe that, like the director's a good
job and it's entertaining, but like as far as like
the real smurl family and that last name is so
unfortunate it's.

Speaker 2 (14:09):
Smurf, but change the f to an all smirl, it's smirk. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
So I just I I'm not again, I'm not looking
for any accuracy. Will I watch a documentary on it? Sure?

Speaker 2 (14:19):
Exactly.

Speaker 1 (14:19):
I feel like all when we watched the movie, everyone
was alone when they saw something nuts, like if looking back,
they know it was very rare.

Speaker 2 (14:31):
I mean, like except for the parts where she was
she was barfing.

Speaker 1 (14:34):
Everyone saw that. Yeah, but I mean, like again, anyone
can barf it anytime exactly. Yeah, baring name is Kinna Barf.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
But you know what I'm saying, Like, of course, I
tend to feel closer to how you feel. I don't
necessarily believe in all of the paranormal stuff, but I'm
nervous and unsure enough about it that I wouldn't want to, like,
stay overnight in a haunted house. I wouldn't want to.
I don't like to do Ouiji board in my home

(15:01):
because I used to as a kid, and some scary
shit happen. So there's enough doubt in my mind that
I get scared of these things. But do I believe
everything they say is true? Probably not. They went to
the press, The Smirl family went to the press. Now, they,
in their defense, were doing it because they wanted to
get the story out to get help. Some people accuse
them of wanting fame again, though, how do you get

(15:22):
your kids involved in wanting to do something for fame?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (15:25):
There's so many very documentaries about parents brainwashing their kids,
Like I mean, and there's eight people unless they were
all committed to the lie, and I'm gonna say probably, I.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Mean, do you want to hear something about daughter one
of the youngest daughters, Karen became a part time paranormal investigator,
So they are right in this.

Speaker 1 (15:47):
I'm sorry, but I get I love the movie and
I love it, and you know what, only these two
actors could pull off any kind of believability for me.

Speaker 2 (15:55):
Oh h Patrick Wilson and ver for me.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
Yeah, there's strong enough actors that I'm like, Okay, Like
in anyone else's hands, I would have been like, this
is dumb. But I loved it because like they made
me believe. They made me believe it goes, I mean
for an hour.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
If we're talking. Overall thoughts, I didn't love this movie.
I thought it was a respectable entry. It's not gonna
be conjuring one or two For me. I thought there
were some genuinely scary parts that I felt the chills on.
That axe murdering ghost. That guy with the long hair
was terrifying when he was standing as a shadow and

(16:31):
the mom saw him in the laundry room. Oh my
god too.

Speaker 1 (16:34):
No, I agree. I was like, I mean, I wasn't
like I can't sleep tonight, but I was like, oh,
this is eerio.

Speaker 2 (16:39):
Okay. But but on the flip side, this movie was
way too long. It was two hours and fifteen minutes,
and there was so much family soap opera dynamic, getting
to know the daughter's boyfriend, him proposing, and getting to
know the parents and them having so much that I
felt like it was two movies in one. We had
the Warren family documentary and the smurl Haunting, and then

(17:01):
only at the end did they combine when the Warrens
Warrens came there. So it was a little long, and
it was a little too family soapish for me. But
some of the scary moments.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
Maybe that's why Warner Brothers was telling the director like, hey,
this really is the last one, which really surprises me,
because what I know about studios is like, make another one,
make another one. So the fact that they were stopping
it and the director was like, no, let's do more
is so interesting to me.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I think only because they know they have an entire
franchise of artifacts to pull from for new movies, so
they don't have to just do haunting case after haunting case.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
From what I know about horror movie fans, they're always
gonna want Jamie Lee Curtis in the.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Films, So is the same with likelloween films.

Speaker 1 (17:42):
What you said in the film, and I'll take it,
you know what I mean, Like they always want Jamie
Lee Curtis and Halloween and Halloween. So it's gonna be like, Okay,
let's say they branch off. Everyone's like, oh my god,
bring back Patrick Wilson and Verra True now, so you
want to one's going to be happy.

Speaker 2 (17:56):
You want to hear one thing I could see happening
if they do more like spin off films, like either
more Annabelle films or they explore other artifacts. I could
see Patrick Wilson and Vera Fromiga making a cameo in
those films, like just like appearing for one meal for
a piece of advice. But I don't think i'd see
any other conjuring films or franchise films that are going
to be based off of the Warrens. That could be

(18:19):
why I'm trying to get in the director in the
writer's mindsets here, And that could be why, knowing that
this was supposed to be the final film based off
of the Warrens, they really wanted to humanize these characters,
and this film focused a lot on their daughter because
in the previous film, she was very young. This film
takes place in the eighties. It was one of their
last cases, and she's a grown woman, she's engaged, and

(18:40):
they really focused on her and her having kind of
the same powers that her mom does. So I get
that they wanted to have more family dynamics. It's just
tough because for a horror movie number one, two hours
and fifteen minutes is kind of long. You should agree
on that.

Speaker 1 (18:54):
Oh, just me as someone who hates a long running time.
But I think if I'm not agreeing with this ever,
but in this particular case, to have it longer than
an hour and thirty minutes, because it is supposed to
be the big wrap up, you know, like the last conjuring,
the last right, last, last last.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
You're saying, you forgive it for me. Yeah, you know
what I think they should have done. They should take
the final entry in this franchise and introduce some random
new character called Corey Cunningham. Ye him be haunting everyone.
I agree, that is the way you end a franchise.
Am I right? Yeah? Am I bid?

Speaker 1 (19:28):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (19:28):
Okay, So let's get into this movie. Because a lot
of shit happened. We'll just go through some of the highlights.

Speaker 1 (19:34):
Really, oh, you know, it's not that much happened. It
was like, here, let me break it down. Okay, the
two parents had a daughter. The daughter is about to
be proposed to by this guy, but he's totally okay
with the hauntings and everything. The girl feels something like,
oh my god, I gotta get to Pittsburgh to help
these family members. They go there, all three of there

(19:55):
get haunted. Boom bata being badding. The ghost is gone
there it is everyone, Thank you for watching you so much.
I mean, hey, that actually was a pretty good quick summary.
We did get an opening scene in this movie, and
it was Patrick ed Ed and Lorraine Warren as a
young couple and she's pregnant and they're investigating this antique
shop and they come into contact with this creepy ass

(20:17):
mirror which Lorraine touches and as soon as she touches
it cracks and she immediately goes into labor and there's
this uncomfortable scene where she's giving birth and I guess
the demons in the room with her right dark, and
then the lights go out, which is could you first off,
I never want to be in the hospital. And the
lights go out and they're like, where's the flashlight.

Speaker 2 (20:37):
I've gotta think hospitals maybe are not at that time,
but hospitals have to have backup generators. At this point,
I don't think a hospital can deal with surgery going on.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
And then, well, you know one thing that I think
you and I both have noticed, when you reach up
to like four or five, they always bring a baby
element into it. They're like the dream child and like
and then in Halloween they're like, oh my god, she's
having a big baby. Let's hide the baby.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
And then the movie she's having a baby.

Speaker 1 (21:02):
Right in the movie, she's having a baby with Kevin
Bickon from Fride thirteenth. But like, as soon as you
introduce an element of a baby, you know that the
movie's kind of creatively hit a wall.

Speaker 2 (21:12):
That's so funny. I mean, I'm not trying to be no, no, no, no,
I get what you're saying. I mean, in all fairness,
this kid has been in all the movies, but they
never showed her giving birth, so we knew never knew
she went through this. But to sum this opening scene up,
when she gives birth, the baby is still born and
they tell them that the baby's dead and then she's
holding the baby and by the way, the baby look

(21:32):
like gray at that.

Speaker 1 (21:34):
I don't know anything about having babies, but I don't. No,
I don't, but maybe this is too dark to talk about.
But I want to know, like, if your baby is
still born, why do they let the mom hold a
dead baby? What?

Speaker 2 (21:45):
Okay? So what I have gathered from that, and again
I don't know. I know people who have I know
all people who've been through all types of pregnancies with I.
What I've gathered is that for those first few moments,
the mom is so emotionally attached that they're like, Okay,
we can let her hold the baby for a little bit. Now.
After that they take the baby away because they don't

(22:05):
want her to get attached to a dead kid. But
in this movie, she's like holding the baby, praying, praying,
and then suddenly the baby starts crying and lives. Now
did that really happen with the Warrens.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
I don't know, but I was emotionally invested. I thought
that all the performances were good, so I was like, Okay,
I'm buying this.

Speaker 2 (22:23):
I The only reason I wasn't as emotionally invested in
this scene is because I knew their daughter survived, so
I knew she would come back to life. I think
if it were more of a mystery, I would have
been on edge.

Speaker 1 (22:33):
She didn't the daughter is I saw the first conjuring
no joke five times?

Speaker 2 (22:40):
Were you sleeping this? Kud no?

Speaker 1 (22:42):
But I mean, like I with that movie's twenty thirteen,
so that's what Twelve years later, I don't remember a
single shame, not a major part.

Speaker 2 (22:48):
They like leave her at home when they do these
different and I don't even remember if it was in
one or two, but there's something that happens to her
in a room when she's home. But again, she's never
as important as she wasn't wasn't.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
The daughter In one of the spinoff Annabel films, Judy
Warren was Judy Warren's daughter.

Speaker 2 (23:10):
Ever you mean you mean Lorraine Warren's daughter Judy, I
don't know. I don't know totally could be she had
the connection to Annabel, but anyway, so then we switched.
Twenty two years later, we meet the Smurle family. Tim's
favorite words smurf with an L. And it's a mom, dad,
grandparents and four kids, all in the same house. And

(23:32):
all I have to say, tim is too many cooks.

Speaker 1 (23:34):
First, I want to know that, like the dynamics of
the house, because I know where the parents room was.
You want the fucking blue person. It was like, okay,
well where's the grandparents are? You're telling me there's four
bedrooms upstairs.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
I actually can answer that. This is so crazy that
I can only because I was looking up before this,
like what was real?

Speaker 1 (23:53):
What was not?

Speaker 2 (23:54):
The grandparents had another wing of the house. I think
it was a duplex. The grandparents lived with them, but
like they had their own side, which is why you
don't see them.

Speaker 1 (24:03):
In all the physically go outside to get into their
platform plaplex.

Speaker 2 (24:09):
I don't our duplexes connected. God, you're asking me.

Speaker 1 (24:13):
I just need a layout of the house because when
you have people live in a house, I read two.

Speaker 2 (24:17):
Yeah, I don't, I can't. I don't know. I don't know.
But it was close enough where they would have meals
together and everything, and basically that mirror from the opening scene.
The grandparents decide to buy like one of the oldest
daughters that as a present for her confirmation.

Speaker 1 (24:35):
A horrible gift.

Speaker 2 (24:36):
Horrible gift. Right away, I was like, tacky grows unless
the daughters into like really old antiques. What a weird
and even the daughter's like, oh, it's like a scary
mirror with these three angel faces angels.

Speaker 1 (24:51):
Also the grandpa was like, oh, she'll love a broken mirror.

Speaker 2 (24:54):
Yes, oh oh, he said, we'll take care of the glass.
He never he never did great ranks, Grandpa. Yeah, what
a total sir. And so the first thing that happens
is what we talked about that apparently was reel. Is
that like a light fixture falls and they're like all
freaked out. And then another thing is when she's blowing
out a candle because I guess you get cakes when
you get confirmed. Is that true?

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Well the other did you? Did you notice that the
other daughter kept being like, well, I didn't get this
for mine.

Speaker 2 (25:21):
I didn't get this for mine.

Speaker 1 (25:22):
I was like, hey, they I liked that they captured
a loud family, but on a big screen. I was annoyed.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
You see, you know I wasn't because because I was
that's so like a family gathering with me where everyone's
talking over everybody and everybody's like and they.

Speaker 1 (25:43):
Did a good job with like going back and forth
between the video and like, uh, you know, grand Warner
Brothers movie making.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
You know, like they did a good job and they
had tons of effects, but there's so so then slowly,
like scary things start happening. Like I was mentioning, when
she's blowing out this candle, it it's blown out for her,
and she's like, what first happens to the mom? That's
when she sees the shadow of this scary big figure,
which that again I felt like the hairs on my neck.

Speaker 1 (26:10):
This was in the basement.

Speaker 2 (26:11):
In the basement. Yes, Then there's also that phone cord scene.
She has this long ass phone cord and I guess
her youngest daughters like to tug it to play with her. Well,
she thinks her youngest daughters are tugging it, and then
it gets tugged out of her hands and she turns
on the light and there's no one in there.

Speaker 1 (26:26):
That was that scene was very effective. Yes, the mom
actually had a lot of effective scenes. But the thing
is is like I didn't really get to know either
one of the parents or really any of the smirls
the smurls, yet I didn't love that. You're adding the
sch Here's the thing. Did you ever see Weird Science?
Of course, do you remember when Uh. They something was

(26:48):
going on in the house and they're like, let's go.
And then I think Robert Donnie Junior said to Robert Rustler,
he goes, Girl Smirls.

Speaker 2 (26:56):
I'm that's all I can think of the movie. So, uh,
do I remember that specifically? No, I do remember when
they're in Girl Schmorrows. There it is everyone the Smirrel family.
So we also get the two teenage daughters. We get
apart where they're talking about how much they hate the mirror,
and they're like, well, it's trash day tomorrow, let's take
it outside. So they lug it outside. But when it's

(27:19):
getting picked up by the trash and like compacted and broken.

Speaker 1 (27:22):
You visually see it getting trashed.

Speaker 2 (27:24):
Yeah, the older daughter starts violently vomiting glass shards and blood.
And I will say it was affect.

Speaker 1 (27:33):
It was. I don't know, would you survive that it
because the sink was covered in glass.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
Well, what I guess was tough for me to understand
is that, obviously, Okay, can supernatural I know this is
such a dumb question. Can supernatural beings literally put things
into your stomach? You know? Like she obviously didn't swallow glass,
So how did the glass get in there.

Speaker 1 (27:56):
Well, I love that you're even asking that question, because
like after we visually the audio and everybody saw it
gets smashed inside the trash compactor. Then they go up
to the attic in the in the mirror is there?

Speaker 2 (28:07):
Yeah, the mirror came Okay, But I mean I've seen
that in supernatural movies before, where like, oh, we threw
it away and it came back. But I've never seen
glass getting although wait a second, that's not true. You
know how someone eat like coughs up a big hair
ball on it's like the dead person's hair ball, so
supernatural all bets? Did you ever?

Speaker 1 (28:25):
Okay, this is a very okay. So in the nineteen
ninety three movie The Temp, they make cookies but they
put the cookies in a glass container. So there's this
kind of a throwaway scene where there this girl is
eating a cookie and they like, there's glass in it.
She starts spitting up blood.

Speaker 2 (28:42):
I don't I've only seen The Temp once. What but
so no, I don't remember that scene, but I anytime
someone has to like remember evil Dead Rise, there was
she was chewing on glass, Like it's so uncomfortable to watch.

Speaker 1 (28:57):
The eating of glass has become a horror movie trope.

Speaker 2 (29:02):
Hey what do oh goey glass?

Speaker 1 (29:04):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (29:05):
Okay, So in terms of other crazy shit that's happening
with the family, we get the dad levitating off his
bed when he sees this creepy old womanfective.

Speaker 1 (29:13):
I think, actually, you jumped, and it takes a lot
for you to jump.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Yes, the way they introduced it. And it's also like
having seen a ton of horror movies, we know kind
of when to expect the jump scared to happen. This
one happened so quickly. And I know we're spoiling this,
but you know, we spoil everything on this podcast. He
he hears a sound and literally before there's even tension,
he looks somewhere and the ghost is so creepy. It's

(29:36):
this old woman. Yeah, and I definitely jumped. You did
I did?

Speaker 1 (29:41):
I like slammed some reason. Was so comfortable lounge, just
like relaxing.

Speaker 2 (29:47):
I was like, you know what this is.

Speaker 1 (29:48):
It ain't real.

Speaker 2 (29:49):
The warns are frauds. Yeah. So, uh so, after all
of this is happening, they decide to go to like
the church and everything to try to get help, and
the old only person like like people are coming in
and seeing them. But one of the priests who knows
the warrens this is the connection. He goes to their
house and he realizes that something is really fucked up there.

(30:12):
But then we get now, this is completely not true
because I looked this part up and again theatrically it worked.
But apparently one of the malevolent spirits follows the father
back to he's trying to tell the church about this,
and possesses him to wrap a chord around his neck
and cut and kill himself.

Speaker 1 (30:31):
Now this scene was effective because like he was talking
to this like secretary, the secretary disappears, then the room
suddenly has a windstorm in it and like it like
it's also like doorknobs spinning like a cross, so that's
symbolic like religion. And then em came in and started singing,

(30:52):
and I was like yeah, and I started dancing.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
You're like, and then you put on your shiny happy
people face. Yeah, OK, I got it a reference.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
But I thought that scene was totally effective.

Speaker 2 (31:02):
It was. It was completely untrue. But like again, I
guess I don't know. I probably shouldn't be critiquing this
movie based on how true it is to the case.
I just know anytime you say, even loosely based on
a true story, people are gonna be questioning what's real,
what's not. This was a great plot development because it
added death to the movie, and that raises the stakes

(31:22):
if the haunting, if the ghosts aren't killing anybody, well
then who fuck? Okay?

Speaker 1 (31:26):
I think it was effective because it showed that Vera's.

Speaker 2 (31:29):
Character, uh, Lorraine.

Speaker 1 (31:31):
Lorraine and the daughter Judy both are.

Speaker 2 (31:34):
What's the word, I'm looking clairvoyant?

Speaker 1 (31:36):
Thank you? They like they sense, they sense that things
are not right.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
Yes, And so meanwhile, while all this Smirl family haunting
stuff is happening, this is when we get a ton
of scenes about the Warrens and just their family life.
And I'm not saying I didn't like that, because I
am all for character development, but I kind of already
know who these characters are, and I guess I did
feel like it was a much. There's a huge plot

(32:01):
line with the daughter Judy. She has a boyfriend named
Tony and he's and they are going to the family
barbecue and he's worried if dad, if Patrick Wilson don't
like him.

Speaker 1 (32:12):
And then there's this really great subplum where they play
ping pong. One of the dad's like, don't beat me,
and then he's like, you know what, I want to
marry your daughter. I need your blessing.

Speaker 2 (32:21):
And I thought this.

Speaker 1 (32:22):
I mean, as someone who loves soaps, I loved it.
I loved all of this.

Speaker 2 (32:26):
It was sweet because she walks in when he has
the ring out, She's like, what's that? Is that yes?
And she just says yes right away. And the parents
were a little weird because they had only been together
six months. Want to hear a fun fact I did
read about this scene. The real life Judy and Tony
were extras in this scene at that party. That's gotta
be cool. So Judy Warren I think now her last

(32:46):
name is Sparrah.

Speaker 1 (32:47):
It's amazing to me that, like the director went to
the four girls and was like, hey, give me your input.

Speaker 2 (32:52):
Like like, it's I mean to me, that's being thorough again.

Speaker 1 (32:59):
I love that He's like, hey, we're gonna talk to
you about something that tell me we're not Yeah, tell
let's get the accuracy.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
I get what you're saying. It's almost like, but if
you're gonna do a movie based on this, obviously you
can't go and start questioning whether it's even real. You
gotta just be like tell me everything.

Speaker 1 (33:13):
I mean, like Hollywood is known for not even like
talking to the people and just making their own version.
And you know, I like that they were nice enough
to like be like, okay, like we're not gonna have
it be like the TV movie that you didn't like,
We're gonna like try to make it somewhat accurate. So
just the fact that they went to these lengths is
really it's very very nice. But as a viewer, I mean,

(33:36):
I don't know, was is it ed? His name is
Ed ed Warne, Okay, so like I've read a little
bit here and there, like Ed wasn't even that nice
to Lorraine.

Speaker 2 (33:45):
Really, yeah, I like that. I mean again because those movies,
I know, they're very strong characters. But again, I think
that if we want to buy into this lovely paranormal
seeking couple, you can't show their issues too, because then
we're like, well, I'm rooting for the demon, right.

Speaker 1 (34:05):
You know.

Speaker 2 (34:05):
We do get a lot of scenes. There's a lot
of focus on Judy and her starting to see things
like her mom Lorraine does, and apparently the big thing
is that when she was a kid, her mom taught
her this little nursery rhyme to say and close her
eyes and it would make the like dead and demon
spirits go away so she wouldn't see them. So that

(34:26):
rhyme comes up a bunch.

Speaker 1 (34:28):
I've heard that, I've heard them. Yeah, I've heard that
rhyme before.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
Oh, I mean I can't repeat it.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
When you see spirits, I mean it's usually I crouched
into the middle of a room and like in the corner.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Annabell's next time.

Speaker 1 (34:38):
Yeah, like, oh, Annabell, you're always scaring meed.

Speaker 2 (34:41):
So we get one scene when she's at the barbecue
in her room and she does see Annabel on a
rocking chair behind her, and that was creepy because look,
was it just a ploy for the director to throw
Annabell into this movie? Of course she had. Annabel has
nothing to do with this case. But it was a
wise ploy because everybody's freaked out by that fucking doll
and showing her just sitting there rocking back and forth

(35:04):
is always.

Speaker 1 (35:04):
Creepy there, Like it's a it's a go too, and
I think that's great, and yeah, I go to it, Yeah,
go to it. But I'm sure Judy's childhood walking into
that room where they keep all that. Like, how much
did this movie remind you of the Fridy thirteen TV
series about the cursed Antigue.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Yes, yes, very much like I grew up with.

Speaker 1 (35:23):
Like I know that show was only on for like
three years, but as a child, always wanted waiting for
Jason's hockey mask to be on the show, and it
never never was. I still watched every episode about like
a compactor, and there was one about a doll. Anyway,
I don't know where I was going with that.

Speaker 2 (35:37):
No, I don't know. It just there is a reference
because it's like cursed artifacts, and I think that I
think what you were getting toward is that Judy must
have had a kind of creepy childhood knowing that her
parents were constantly bringing back and this is real, they
had in a cult museum where they would keep supposedly
cursed artifacts so that they couldn't get out into the open,
and you know, curse. Now, even that is a little

(35:59):
weird because I thought the whole thing with hauntings is
it's not about the location, it's about the person. They
can follow you anywhere. But apparently artifacts can be cursed too,
So look I don't know. I don't know what I mean.

Speaker 1 (36:11):
Like, Okay, so there's the priest and he's like reaching
out to the Warrants and Judy and like, hey help
this family.

Speaker 2 (36:17):
OVA and they're like, we're retired, right, They like.

Speaker 1 (36:19):
We're retired and we're tired. Yes, So like they obviously
this is the time before go fundmes. They really needed
to go fund me. Like if this movie, if anyone
in this movie had any money, there would be no problem.

Speaker 2 (36:32):
Well nowadays it's nowadays, if anybody would it's so hard.
You noticed that there aren't so many people claiming or
maybe I'm wrong, claiming paranormal occurrences other than like the
shows that document them, because now there are so many
ways to document everything. No one's gonna believe you unless
you have proof. With ring cameras and cameras you can

(36:54):
set up everywhere. You literally can capture everything, so you
don't need to prove it.

Speaker 1 (36:59):
No, you're literally you can be. We're being filmed all
the time, all the time, right, I mean we purposely.

Speaker 2 (37:05):
I mean, like it's it's.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
Hard not to be. Like when you go too a store,
you're on camera, you're walking down the street, you're on camera,
and I think there's like when you're driving, you're on camera.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
That's why it's not so easy for a family to
just say, hey, everybody, we're being haunted. Take our word
for it.

Speaker 1 (37:20):
Ye, take our word for it.

Speaker 2 (37:22):
Okay, where's the where's the cameras anyway? Okay, So moving
to how we get the Warrens to the Smirls. After
the father dies, because the Warms are so close, they
go to the funeral, and Judy, their daughter, has like
a vision that he had gone to Pennsylvania, and she
goes off and finds the smirl family without Ed and Lorraine,
and they go with her fiance Tony to follow her

(37:43):
end up at the Smirl's house, and the Smirls are like,
please help us, you guys can help, Like there's nothing
we can do, like they're they're so much haunting, blah
blah blah blahlah. They finally feel sorry for them and
decide to help them, and then it gets really amplified
from that point.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
This is where I was kind of like, Okay, I
kind of wish they were at this house a little sooner.
Of course then we would then we wouldn't have had
like what I think is the strongest scene in the
movie where Judy goes to try on her wedding dress
and there's the mirrors.

Speaker 2 (38:10):
Oh yes, I think.

Speaker 1 (38:11):
I mean, mirror tricks have been done a lot in
horror films. Doctor giggles. But I really thought this was
the most effective scene because, like the I guess the mean,
Judy goes like tap tap tap, it's.

Speaker 2 (38:23):
A it's almost like a vision of herself being possessed. First,
she actually sees the demon under her dress. That was creepy.

Speaker 1 (38:30):
What's going on there?

Speaker 2 (38:31):
And she's in a room with all mirrors, and then
she's turning around she'd thinks she sees things, and then
like one of the mirror images of her turns and
looks at her and is like evil and is tapping
in there. It was very effective visually, you know. Again,
it didn't really relate to the smirls. But or I
guess it was like Judy was seeing visions of the

(38:52):
demon that was haunting this family. I don't know. I
think they just wanted another scary sequence. It worked.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Yeah. For the person showing her the dress, Brenda, I
thought she was super funny because the movie doesn't really
happen many laughs.

Speaker 2 (39:05):
Yeah, She's like making just Also, how long did it
take Brenda and her mom to get in that room?
Was screaming?

Speaker 1 (39:12):
They're like, Oh, what's what's taking Judy?

Speaker 2 (39:14):
That's so weird. I guess she really likes those wedding dress.

Speaker 1 (39:17):
I mean the scene was actually getting to me a
little claustrophobic. I was like, Okay, move on, because I'm
actually a little anxious.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Yeah, this happens before they get to the Warren's house.
I'm glad you reminded me. I forgot about that scene.
And that is a big scene. Okay, So when they
finally sorry not to the Warrens, to the Smirrel's house.
So when the Warrens are there, sheeze so many people
in this movie, Lorraine, who's the one who can see everything,
she gets what I thought was another one of the
scariest visuals because when she goes into the basement, she
sees the actual really fucking scary man with an axe

(39:47):
spirit who has long hair, really tall, and apparently she
senses that he asked a woman and her elderly mother,
and those are the spirits that are there. But here's
where it gets even more confusing, And I was like,
those are just spirits. There's also a demon that is
using them to haunt them. So there's like four entities, right.

Speaker 1 (40:09):
And the way that Lorraine got down to that basement
was so brutal, like someone like she was like thrown down.
I was like, I don't know if she'd even survived that,
but here she has survived.

Speaker 2 (40:21):
That is something that I read was one of the
claims of the Smirrel family that some of the family
members got thrown down the stairs. I hate to laugh,
but it's like anytime you see someone like rolling down stairs,
sort of funny, really awful, but sort of funny. Yes,
Lorraine had it brutal. And also Judy gets a pretty
brutal in this house because she gets full on possessed

(40:43):
by the demon. I liked that. And she is looking crazy.
She's touching her dad and setting off his heart, which
is already weak when.

Speaker 1 (40:51):
She was possessed. Were you having flashbacks of Amy Deville two,
when Diane Franklin was possessed? But remember she was like,
remember she had like lipstick on it.

Speaker 2 (40:59):
She's like, that's just in that one like dreams. It's
just really yeah. But so no, I wasn't, but I
do remember that I say that scene, I do remember,
but like she did do it really scary. And by
the way, the actress who plays Judy, her name is
Mia Tomlinson. This was her first movie. She had been
in like a couple Netflix docu series before this, but

(41:21):
this was her first movie. I tho she was so good,
so good. Yeah. So a lot of stuff's happening at
this point. Because the men in the family are trying
to move the mirror unsuccessfully. The fiance Tony gets locked
out of the house after driving and almost hitting what
he thinks is the entity in the road.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
I don't know why I have to say this, but
I want to say this.

Speaker 2 (41:44):
Say it.

Speaker 1 (41:44):
Tony drives so erratically and crazy in the car.

Speaker 2 (41:47):
I was like, what You're just to turn around?

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah. It was like you're not in days of thunder.
Stop it, Tony.

Speaker 2 (41:52):
Yeah. It was very dramatic. Yeah, I was like, what
are you doing? It was raining outside and he thought
he saw the old spirit and he turns off and
that was scary. But then he gets then he gets
locked out of the house so he can't help and
basically the the final confrontation is ed and Lorraine Tony
finally gets in and Judy and apparently the big family

(42:15):
sweet moment is that Lorraine finally goes to Judy after
they get the demon out of her and says like,
we need to face this. Because her entire life it
was always turn away, say this rhyme, the spirits will
go away. But this is like, no, we together, our power,
we can face it. And they both put their hands
on the mirror.

Speaker 1 (42:34):
It was very symbolic of just like, I mean, I
love that the like power twins, you know, right, Like
the demon's goal was like, okay, we need this family
to touch this mirror, and we got him.

Speaker 2 (42:44):
Well, but I mean, but then that's also how they
got rid of the spirits. And what was kind of
crazy at this point is that the mirror has wedged
itself almost on Tony's neck, and I thought it was
going to decapitate him.

Speaker 1 (42:58):
Well, did you think that for one second? Because it's
supposedly the last film did you think when Patrick Wilson
was like, oh, do you think he was gonna I
thought for a hot second he might have had a
heart attack. I was like, oh, what a bummer If
they kill out Patrick Wace knew they.

Speaker 2 (43:12):
Wouldn't kill him off because I knew ed and Lorraine
didn't die during one of these cases, and I knew
they wouldn't go that far in terms of the movie,
but I do agree. I thought he was gonna have
a heart attack and maybe keel over and end up
in the hospital because he was having heard issues. The
whole movie. They talk about how that's why what made
them kind of stop doing these cases. It was just
very tough on them, understandably. But this big last scene,

(43:35):
I don't even know how they do it. Literally, Patrick
Wilson's saying a bunch of like Exorcist chants, like it
reminded me of me.

Speaker 1 (43:41):
He couldn't like his burn, his burke, his book got
burnt up. So I was like, I was like, now
he's just going on memory.

Speaker 2 (43:48):
Yeah. Yeah, He's like saying a bunch of shit. They
reminded me of the Exorcist. The two women are together
facing the demons and finally, like, I guess all the
demons get like blown away, right, well, the.

Speaker 1 (43:58):
Mirror like rises and then starts look around. I was like, okay,
and then.

Speaker 2 (44:02):
Did it shatter? I can't remember like a good question,
did it explode? I just remember something like that. Anyway,
Everyone's a piece blah blah blah blah.

Speaker 1 (44:11):
Oh would they take the mirror into their home.

Speaker 2 (44:13):
Yes, well they do take the mirr Oh so it
didn't shatter because they put it in there, not like
in that occult museum part near where Annabelle and all
the cursed artifacts are, and they're like, you know, Patrick
Wilson saying, okay, it's it'll be safe here and it
can't get it won't get possessed.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
They're walking around with Judy's fiance Tony and like and
then he throws the the key, like, hey, you too
can have all this, It's like and I'd be like,
I don't want it.

Speaker 2 (44:38):
I don't want access to your scary ass museum. Get
me out of here, hard Pass.

Speaker 1 (44:44):
I was just underneath the mirror.

Speaker 2 (44:45):
Yeah, my I almost got decapitated, hard Pass, keep.

Speaker 1 (44:49):
Your Artifyce was possessed by a demon.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
We're eloping Hawaii. Don't want to be near here. Well
they do have a nice apparently, probably because this is
the final movie of the part of the series. They
have a final scene where Patrick Wilson's walking his daughter
down the aisle. We see her getting married to Tony
and at the wedding there are a number of special
guests from the previous Conjuring movies. What's her name? Why

(45:16):
do I always forget her name?

Speaker 1 (45:18):
She was also in The Haunting.

Speaker 2 (45:20):
Lily Taylor. Lily Taylor, who played the who was in
the original Conjuring, is there in the audience and they
show her two of the women from Conjuring two, one
guy from a Conjuring Devil maybe do it. They're all
in the audience, so it's a nice tie in of
all the movies.

Speaker 1 (45:36):
And I definitely recognize Lily Taylor. I'm not that I think.
I only saw Conjuring two once.

Speaker 2 (45:41):
Me too. I That's why I thought it was good.

Speaker 1 (45:44):
But it's just the rewatchability factor of the Conjuring two
and three were not high. But I did see the
first one like five times. Do I remember one frame? No?

Speaker 2 (45:52):
If? If anything, If I'm like, hey, I really want
to watch a Conjuring film, I'm gonna watch the original.
It's just classic and great. So I'm never like, God,
I really want to watch Conjuring.

Speaker 1 (46:03):
See I actually definitely not that one, but I also
like the other ones that the director also ill Lorona
or something.

Speaker 2 (46:09):
The Curse of Youroona. Yes, he likes the director of
this movie. Michael Chavas did The Curse of La Yourona
and the Nun too, so he's done a lot of
the most recent and Andy did Conjuring Devil. Yes, we
forgot to mention that. Oh my god, so we went.
We like to see these movies usually like the night
before opening night, so like Thursday night, and a lot

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of times you go to a screening like that at
a big theater. Sometimes a director, if you're in la
will make an appearance, sometimes cast members. So the director
came out. But this is a funny story. I can't
believe it. For guys should have started with us. I
hope everyone is still watching. This is hilarious. So Tim
and I are sitting there. They announced the directors here,
everyone's cheering, and the director, in this really awkward exchange, says,
and I've got a special surprise for everyone, and it

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was Patrick. He said he's been in every Conjuring movie.
And everyone starts getting psyched, and I'm like, oh my god,
Patrick Wilson's here, Patricks, you'll know him. And he pulls
out a guy who's literally like an extra in all
the movies.

Speaker 1 (47:09):
Well, I think he's got I think he's got a
big part in the original, but I don't. Again, I'm
not that familiar with the original that I'm like, oh, yes,
let me.

Speaker 2 (47:16):
Play them again. Don't mean to eat. Okay, I'm gonna walk.
Maybe he wasn't an extra. I think maybe he was
like a small.

Speaker 1 (47:24):
In the final film. He could be perceived as an
in the final film.

Speaker 2 (47:27):
Is an extra, but the way the director announced him
it was think we were all thinking it's Patrick. So
I kind of felt like that was insulting to the
actor because everyone was expecting someone else and when they
see this guy come out, they don't recognize him. What
he should have said is he's had a role in
each of the movies, and then said his name. But
it was so awkward and he comes out and Tim

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and I are looking at each other like, who's that?
Where's Patrick? Weils? Again, we're not that familiar with these films. Yeah,
I mean we've seen them all. Really cool that he's
been in all of the films, but it was just
such a bizarre way of introducing I'm not a smirl
expert or a conjuring So the final scene of this movie,
Ed and Lorraine are dancing at their daughter's wedding and

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they're talking about and obviously this is just to show
that they did end up having a long, happy life together.
She says, you know, and I had a vision today
that we were old and had grandkids. And I'm like, literally,
this is just how to explain what happened to the war.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
And then they cut to them on a motorcycle.

Speaker 2 (48:27):
Who's on Oh. Yes, They're like, okautiful, They're still enjoying
their life. Again. It was heartfelt, it was nice. Wasn't necessary.
I don't know one scene that we kind of we
didn't even mention.

Speaker 1 (48:38):
Okay, so when they were out of college talking about
their cases and there's very few people like students interested
in this particular topic, and they were like, hey, so
you're like Ghostbusters and then she says, she goes, well,
I have seen Ghostbusters.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
They really wanted to make sure you knew this movie
was in the mid eighties, had music that you one
hundred percent of the eighties they had the Ghostbusters reference.
I think also the Warrens had more notoriety maybe in
the seventies, so toward the mid eighties they were like
less in every like I think everyone knew them more
during the Amityville.

Speaker 1 (49:15):
Right, So you know that I remember watching a lot
of documentaries on the Amityville and I do remember the
Warrens being a part of it.

Speaker 2 (49:21):
Yeah, they were definitely a big part of it, but
I think toward the mid eighties it was a little
bit later in their career, so people maybe were less
interested at the very end of the movie. And I
did appreciate that this. During the end credits, they showed
a ton of real life clips and pictures of the Warrens,
and I think even Judy and of Judy and Tony,
and they had a lot of like you know when

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they end a movie by having a big like scroll
to read about like you know, the Warrens went on
to live until this point and Judy is still doing this,
and so they gave you some good info, which I
think is responsible to do because these are real people's
lives and it was nice to see real pictures.

Speaker 1 (50:00):
They look real ghosts.

Speaker 2 (50:02):
Real question. I don't know, but again, when you see
the pictures of especially Ed Warren does not look anything
like Patrick.

Speaker 1 (50:09):
Patrick Wilson is such a handsome.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Oh god, it's tough. Poor Ed. By the way, Can
I just say a genius stroke in casting for whoever
did casting on this movie. In the opening scene, they
cast different actors to be the young versions of Patrick
Wilson and Vera Formiga, and the Vera from Mega Young
Girl didn't look so much like her. But the guy
they got to play young Patrick Wilson looked so much.

Speaker 1 (50:33):
Like a young Patrick Fact his name is.

Speaker 2 (50:37):
His name is Orian Smith. Yeah, this is nothing about
their acting. I'm just talking about in terms of it.

Speaker 1 (50:41):
I think you're talking about their acts.

Speaker 2 (50:43):
No, in terms of like how much they match the
look of the people they were portraying. Orian Smith, his
name is, who played a young Ed Warren looked so
much like a young Patrick Wilson that I almost thought
they did some kind of AI d aging of him.
I like it was crazy. So all in all, I mean,
I know you said you really liked it.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
To tell me why I really liked it because it rapped.
I mean, like, I there's something really cool to me
when they say this is the last because you know,
I hate to bring it always back to Friday thirteenth,
But fri thirteenth, the Final Chapter was such a good film.
So I feel like this film was really strong too,
because I feel like the stakes are higher when they
say it's the last one.

Speaker 2 (51:22):
This is the case that made them stop, right.

Speaker 1 (51:24):
Like, so they're gonna jam a lot of stuff in it. Again,
it was mainly about the family, so like, actually the
eight family, they weren't that much the focus. Like I
really didn't get a chance to really know the smirl.
Yeah I didn't, other than the bitchy daughter that was
so mean to the other daughter, like she was the
only one that really had like a character. And there

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was also something like this is just me personally having
like a weird the mom hairstyle and I know this
is so like who cares? But look like she was
wearing a wig. And it really takes me out when
someone looks like wearing a wig, because I was like,
is this a reshoot?

Speaker 2 (52:02):
Like I don't know, that's hilarious. I have a feeling
they were matching the hairstyle or trying to match a
hairstyle of the actual missus smirl. But that is fine.

Speaker 1 (52:10):
Yeah, so.

Speaker 2 (52:12):
This is like you like loved the movie, hated her hair, right, No, she.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Had a great hairstyle, but it looked like a wig.
So therefore I can't believe anything. Nothing out look my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (52:24):
I'm a little bit in the middle on this movie
because I thought it was effective in many ways, and
there were several standout scenes that really scared me. I
just thought, like what you said about them putting so
much into this because it was the final one, it
was a little too much. I think they wanted to
get all the family dynamics and everything related to the
mother daughter relationship and her and her fiance. They wanted

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to get a full length haunting movie. They wanted to
introduce you to this other family, but didn't quite have
the time. They wanted the extra death of the father.
They put so many things in this movie that it
became a little bit much, and that's why I think
it felt long. It wasn't just long, it felt long.

Speaker 1 (53:05):
What if they had like it was called The Conjuring,
the Last Right Part one, like almost like Harry Potter,
like the Last Right Part two, Like I mean, they
could have done like another Last Right Right, They're like
more Last righte.

Speaker 2 (53:17):
I just think that it was a good movie, and
it was a respectable entry in this franchise. I think
that there were moments that were great. I just think
that they tried to pack too much an wouldn't you
rather have too much than not enough? It depends in
a franchise, in a in a standalone movie. Uh, probably

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in a franchise where I've had other bits and pieces
of things. I don't know that you need to put
everything in one specific entry because you have other entry.

Speaker 1 (53:46):
One thing that I thought was a standout that we
didn't talk about is when Judy sees Annabelle like, come
a become a giant that I didn't love, Like I
was gonna say, I kind of liked it because they've
never done anything with the doll. Occasionally she's just in
a rocking chair, rock and I was.

Speaker 2 (54:02):
Like, Okay, so glad you're bringing that up.

Speaker 1 (54:04):
But then all of a sudden, like, oh, Annabelle is
suddenly a giant.

Speaker 2 (54:07):
Okay, I'm so glad you bring that. Let me explain
why I didn't care for that scene. For me, Okay,
annabel is scary because of that. That doll has the
scariest face and hair and everything, And when you see
it just sitting there and you don't see it moving,
it's almost scarier than when you see it do And
I equate this to remember in the original Hell House

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LLC how terrifying the clown was because you would never
see him move, but when they would turn back to
the camera, it was scaring at you, or it was
in a different position. That is scarier to me than
seeing a walking, talking thing. So what to bring us
back to Annabel Annabelle? You know, but they made Annabel
turn into this big, giant AI or CGI figure that

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started going boom boom boom boomb, and it just became ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (54:57):
I for some reason was loving the ridiculousness of it
all because I was like, hey, you, there's been four
movies and Annabel just sits there. I was like, finally,
you give us something to do.

Speaker 2 (55:05):
I mean, of course they wanted to up the stakes
with it, but it's does that mean it becomes more effective?
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (55:12):
I mean absolutely not, but I was.

Speaker 2 (55:15):
But that's again the same thing with the Hell House
LLC clown. I think the more the clowns you see
the clown moving, you see him actually moving, it's not
as scary as you see him in a different space
and he's in a different position. But I do understand it.
Like you said, they've had Annabel in a bunch of movies,
so let's do something different. I just don't know if
Giant Cgi Annabel was the right decision.

Speaker 1 (55:35):
I want her walking and talking Chucky style.

Speaker 2 (55:38):
I want her dancing like Megan, Yeah, just doing all
give her something funny anyway. I mean, we'll see what
comes next from the Conjuring, I guess as well. From
the universe. Do you think there's gonna be another Annabel film?
I kind of think there will be.

Speaker 1 (55:51):
Yeah, I mean, like again, do well, I think it did.

Speaker 2 (55:56):
Okay, they'll probably another Nun.

Speaker 1 (55:57):
Yeah, there's gonna be more Nuns and more Annabell's.

Speaker 2 (55:59):
More Nuns, more Annabel's. It's funny because we've only gotten
a handful of those artifacts. Like, I wonder, do you
think they'll make more movies based off of the Mirror?

Speaker 1 (56:08):
I hope. I actually I the Mirrors kind of played
out like I mean the Mirrors, it's we've seen that
in other film.

Speaker 2 (56:16):
Like Mirrors starring Keeper Sutherland.

Speaker 1 (56:18):
I guess there's a lot of films with mirrors.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
Yeah, there was a scene in Mirrors. By the way,
side note, I think it was what gave us something
with Amy Smart where she like pulls her jaw apart.
It was so graph is that mirrors or wait, maybe
it's not called mirrors, but it was about mirror.

Speaker 1 (56:34):
I remember, but I thought it was the butterfly effect.

Speaker 2 (56:37):
No, not the butterfly effect. But it's a movie that
it's either a mirror, yes, tell us in the comments
a bathtime, Yes, she's in a baptib she is it mirror?
Isn't mirrors? Is it mirror? Mirror on the wall? Who's
the fairest of them all?

Speaker 1 (56:50):
Will never know?

Speaker 2 (56:50):
We'll never know. Let us know in the comments, Yes, exactly.
But I do think that they have enough material with
that museum, that fucked up museum, to pick any other
artifact and make movies off of him.

Speaker 1 (57:02):
Did you know that Ed and Patrick Wilson have come
through my soul right now?

Speaker 2 (57:09):
Oh my god? Is that why you're dressed like that?

Speaker 1 (57:12):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (57:12):
You look tim. You should have played I was gonna say,
the younger Patrick Wilson. Are you younger than Pat? Oh? Wait?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
I think I think Patrick Wilson is just like a
few years older.

Speaker 2 (57:21):
Wait, wait, we can find out real quick. Patrick Wilson
is fifty two. You are, so you could have played
a younger version of him, But this one was like
two years, like five years four years. Yeah, okay, anyway, well,
thank you for watching. Everyone. Let us know your thoughts
in the comments and we'll talk soon.

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