September 29, 2025 • 54 mins
There haven’t been many sports-related horror films, but perhaps there should be considering the dangers professional athletes face both in and out of the game. “Him” brings a culty/supernatural twist to being the GOAT. Tune in to hear us break down all the aggro behavior, all the shirtless workout scenes, the strong performances by Marlon Wayans and Tyriq Withers, and how well it delivered its message. Go sports! 🏈
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Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Welcome to Happy Horrid Time. My name is Tim Murdoch.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmert. And if you are
watching and wondering, why the hell are Matt and Tim
wearing sports shirts?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We love sports.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We have totally changed and we're now big into sports. No,
this is our episode reviewing him the movie, the new
movie produced by Jordan Peele's company, and it is all
about football. So Tim and I searched our wardrobe. Tim
tell this is.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
An Ohio date Buckeyes. People in Ohio love the Buckeyes.
They have football.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I have a New York Jets sweatshirt. Dad gave this
to me. I love the color. So that sounds so gay.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I love that beautiful color.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
My dad used to have season tickets to the Jets,
and I used to go with him to a lot
of games. So I've seen the team play a bunch.
They pretty much suck. I think they still suck.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Do they know when you When I hear the word Jets,
I think of West Side Story.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, no, it's not that, but yeah. So this is
the only sports related paraphernalia I have at the moment.
What else do you have?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I have this, and I have a jersey in my garage.
That says sixty nine. Wait what yeah, I like that's
where you met your your boyfriend Jacob.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh you wore at that jockas Nerds party seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Seven years ago, it says sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Wow is that your number? If you were a football
player too? Why?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh? Because I I'm a tight end. I don't know
cut that. Tim just said, now I have a quarterback.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think if you were playing football, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I don't know what position I could see. I
would be the kicker water boy, Yes, yes, yes, kicker, Yes,
if I were playing. I will say when I was
a kid, I did like to play catch with a
football with my dad, and my parents always thought like
I could throw well, but I was very skinny. So
they always told me, if you ever play football, and
I never did, be the quarterback, because you don't want
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to be someone who's like constantly getting tackled all the time.
But the quarterback gets tackled a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, do you know I'm named Timothy David.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Because of an Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
No, because of touchdown Murdoch.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No way, Yes, wow, they named you touchdown Murdoch. Wow,
I love it, but BDM, I just want to know.
Your dad is such a football guy, do any of it?
Two out of his three sons are gay. Is does
Trevor like football?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Okay, so Jamie does too. Oh okay, I know I
was a bad stereotype. Gay people can like sports too.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They totally do, and they can and they will.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And they will and they'll be playing sports and they
play in sports. Yeah, we just happen to not be
big sports fans. Although I've watched enough.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I like tether ball, spor square, a hardcore hacky sack.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I've watched enough sports where I know enough to like.
Jacob always tells me when we watch the super Bowl,
because we do watch the super Bowl, that I actually
can tell them what's going on because I've I know
enough about sports because I grew up watching and playing.
But like, I just don't care anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, that's the thing. I am happy that people love sports.
It gives them something to do every Saturday, Sunday or
whatever day it's on. But and I think that's awesome.
They dress and they have tailgates, and it brings joy
to so many people. So I'm not gonna take that away.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
No, definitely not. I mean it's a great I just
don't care. It's a thing, yeah for people who like it.
People like really are obsessed with some sports. But you know,
it can be the same way people could accuse us
of being obsessed with horror movies. I mean, everyone has
something that're really into, and hey, whatever brings you joy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm also into flyfish.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I definitely see you being a fly fisher. Look
a river runs through it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I saw that with Brad Pitt and Shepherd.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
With his long hair.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Did Brad Pitt have long hair?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I thought that was the other one, something of the phone.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
What was his Legends of the Fall? Legends had short
hair and a river.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You don't know your Brad.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't know brad pit hair styles. How about in
cutting class.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It was like kind of like this like mine.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, but not gray and old.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So uh, before we start into our review of him,
we uh. This past week got to attend a book
signing event for our recent guest, Ashley Collins, who did
the book on the screen franchise Your Favorite Scary Movie.
And it was at a small little bookstore in West
Hollywood called book Soup, and it was really fun. We
put a picture in our story a week ago or
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whatever when it came out, but or when we went there.
But it was really nice because she had quite a
crowd but showed up for her. Evan Williamson was there,
Michael Kennedy, as in the writer of Heart Eyes and Freaky,
was there. Mary Ann Maddelina, producer of the Scream movies,
was there, and so it was really cool because we
got to see Kem Williamson, who we've had on the show.
(05:12):
We got to see Michael Kennedy who we've had on
the show. We met Maryanne Madeleina, and we also met
a producer and I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Name, and he was such a nice guy and he
told us a lot of fun facts.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He was apparently he worked closely with Bob Weinstein when
Scream one was happening, and he started just telling us
all these stories about how that went down and how
it was tough to work with him and everything. And
he's the original, yeah, the original Scream and he's in
Ashley's book. And I felt so awful because I couldn't
remember his name, but I remembered reading the parts he
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was telling a story.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So what we have to do is go back to
the book, which I did not read, but I listened
to the audio.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But would you go back? Would you go back to
the future?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, which opens apparently on October thirty first, on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Wait, you mean coming back back to the future. Oh yeah, yeah,
oh for the first time, the first time. I'm pretty yeah. Well.
One cool thing is when Ashley saw us, she said, oh,
it's the happy horror time guys, which she was really nice,
and she was telling people, She's like, they did a
ninety minute interview with us, So was it ninety It
was because there was tons to talk about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So there's seven films.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well it's not just the seven films, like, there were
so many interviews. She talked with so many different people,
so there are so many different perspectives. But anyway, it
was really fun. We took a picture with her, saw
some people we've had on the show, and I felt
really good for her because she had a great group there.
But I do feel like it felt like we were
at Sidney Prescott's book signing and scream four for Out
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of Darkness.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's right, And don't they all leave the dude, that's
my rental, and then inside there's pictures of her book
with like blood on it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, because the opening murders just happened and they're all
running in. They have that scene where the trunk opens
up and you see all of them. Remember how big
that like shot was of all of them. Look that
made Yeah, that made the rounds. I think it was
in the trailer. It was like everything.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I can't believe that movie's fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh my god, Scream four is fourteen years old. Wow,
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well, anyway, I've lived like ten lives since then.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Oh my god. But I thought you're only twenty one,
so I know it's weird. It's weird, like if you're
only twenty one. That movie came out when you were
like a teen.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Do you remember the group the Cranberrys.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Of course they didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They sing a song like twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think it sounded just like that, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've never had no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I don't you know. I could be completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Okay, So on to him. Now. You may be thinking,
that's an interesting, uh movie? Oh say for Matt and
Tim to review. But look, we don't discriminate about any
types of horror sports, nonsports, you see it all.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
My favorite sports film of all time is like Rudy.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I actually, I actually really like Rudy Have a Major League?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Remember one two or three? You know Jenson Dad it
from five thirteen? Party is in Major League three. I
didn't know that We're gonna have to watch was that
street to video? No, it was did time time in jail?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Did you see Rookie of the Year where the kid
can throw it from American Pie and from Halloween resurrecs.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, there's two of them. There's Rookie of the Year
and there's another one that was a little kid with
Oh it's called Little big League, is it? There's like
there was a certain time where little kids wanted to
be in base.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And also remember Angels in the outfield.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Tony Danza was in that right, Who's the Boss? Yeah,
that's Angela.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Did you like that Tony dance?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That was really good. I was like, God, I'm here
with Tony Milano's dad right here.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Anyway, So we I mean, look, we were this is
we're getting right into our favorite month of the year,
and this is our last episode before we get into October,
when we are releasing a number of interviews with Halloween
related people. I'll just say that it's gonna be a
fun October. So we're focusing on the Halloween franchise with
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a bunch of interviews. But we wanted to get a
horror movie in a new release that came out right
before that, and that was him and I this is
something that they were really using the Jordan Peele name
on this. Every trailer I saw from the mind of
But then I'm like, he only produced it. He didn't
write and direct it, so his company.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Didn't even star. I don't even know if he visited this.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That Jordan Peele was one of the producers, how involved
what I'm thinking, I'm just guessing he probably read the script,
liked it, and his company bought the script, and that's
kind of where it ends. I don't know exactly how
everything works out with that. Was he in the day
to day? Probably no? Was he there with us get Out?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Get Out? I like, there's one more, There's one more.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So it's not like quite a Jordan Peele film, but
it also is because he's not going to put his
name on anything like I really think Jordan Peele is
going to look for something he believes in, and I
think he probably really believed in this film.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Do you believe in this film?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Look so tough? I kind of thought it was a
big old mess, Like to be honest, like we saw
this movie and just overall thoughts, it was very convoluted.
I kind of understood the reference that was making two
sports leagues and selling your soul to be like a.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, I really great.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Athlete, but I didn't think it was a good story
or a cohesive.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Movie that Thank you for saying that, because I was
having trouble because I was still trying to figure out
Marlon Wayne's character and there was like blood, there was
blood and like the younger guy was taking Marlon Wayne's blood.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, but that's about getting into the Ancritica season because.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
They I thought that's what the whole thing was about it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It was because basically they added a supernatural tale to
like passing down the title of of like the greatest
of all time, the Goat or the hemn Like there's
one chosen person and there's this cult that like basically
nurtures and gets that person to that status, and they
passed down the blood of the greatest of all time,
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and that gives them an extra power as it so
it took like real sports types of stuff but made
it supernatural. The only thing is is that there was
I couldn't quite tell if this was just social commentary
on the sport of football, or if it was a
supernatural tale, or if it was a football supernatural tale,
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or if it was I just it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
This is what I thought. I thought it. Everything I
thought was straight up real, and this is how I
thought the NFL works.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I mean, the thing is is, look, it's one of
those movies that if you are listening to Happy Hour
time a lot, you hear that Tim and I aren't
the biggest fans of movies, that the horror of it
is a metaphor for something right right right.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, I mean, I guess I was reading online and
I thought this was a very good point, but it
was not execut did as well as as what it
was being compared to.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yes, the substance.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
People were saying it's a male version of the substance,
but you know, obviously the substance was well crafted and
thought out and had a plot. This was just kind
of like cran and was just like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Can see that. I think that's actually a good assessment
because the substance it did have social commentary in it,
but it felt like it was a tighter story. And
this felt like it was kind of all over the place.
There were so many things happening. There was a lot
of yelling, a lot of working out. I won't complain though,
that you get to see Tyreek Withers shirtless throughout the
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majority of the movie. He is a great looks like
a wonderful shape. He was in I Know What You
Did Last Summer, and let me just tell you, I
did not like him. And I Know what You did
last Summer. I thought he was annoying.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I didn't I can't even remember that movie.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I thought he the way I couldn't even understand him
all the time in this movie. I gotta say one
thing I will compliment is that I think both Marlon
Wayans and Tyreek Withers gave really solid performtions.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I agree one hundred and ten percent. And when the
movie started, I actually was just because I mean, I okay,
are we starting okay? Okay, no, no, but I'm like
the beginning of the film with all the toxic masculinity.
For me personally, I was just like my eyes were
rolling a lot. I was just like okay, God, like everyone,
the dad's like, oh, that's gonna be you someday. You
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need to man up. I was just like kill.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
The opening, we have a young Cameron is our main guy.
That's who's played by Tyreek Withers, and it's him as
a young kid watching his favorite football star, Isaiah, who
is played by Marlon Wayans, in a football game with
his dad and you know a lot of sons and
dads or daughters and dads bond over watching football with him,
and he like loves Isaiah, and Isaiah gets injured on
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the field and it's.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They actually show it and it's really gross. It's like
it's like a bone shoving out through the kneecap, which
can that happen?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Of course, anything can happen when you fuck up your
leg or arm or anything. Your bones, bones can break, shatter,
bend everything. So the dad in this is very much
like one of those like almost coach like dads, no guts,
no glory, like it takes real men make sacrifices to
get what they want. And he's very much like this
with his young kids.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I mean, I don't know what the goals. I mean,
I as a gay man, okay, so I know people
are people. People are people as Okay, it's a pass mode.
So is the goal of a straight man is like
the sale end all is to be a sports star
if you're a straight is I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I can't that's a blank saying generalization beyond generalization. No, No,
I know I think that there may there's certain households
where sports are very important, and I think a stereotype
is that, like dads want their sons to follow either
in their footsteps or to play sports. And I think
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being an athlete is like really looked upon as like
a great career. But I don't think that by any
means is like all straight men all men in general.
And then there's some doctors that they push their kids
to be doctors just.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And also like there was the movie was also saying like,
you know, because I'm sure on campuses and even after camp,
after campus, after campus life, like if you're at school
after school, there's like obviously the NFL, and then so
it's like they don't want these young athletes to get
hurt so it's like maybe school and scholarships are kind
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of fall to the wayside, and you know, right wait,
I'm just saying like the focus is not so much
like their academics their focus.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
They get the scholarship in the sport. Ye right, Well,
I mean look everyone there's scholarship is given out for
everything academic.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I should have got one for choir.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I think so definitely, yeah, yeah, or roller skating.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Roller skating school.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I think though, that there is a group of people
that look at sports stars and idolize them. Now, I'm
not saying that in a not a bad thing, because
look at us with horror stars.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I look at Michael Myers.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah yeah, but I mean everyone, whatever their passion is,
they kind of idolize the people to make a career
out of that. So I think in this family, the
dad was idolizing sports stars. The best achievement in his
life could be as if his son became a sports star.
And that's what was always like imposed on this young
Cameron growing up.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I mean, did he even really have a toye Like,
what if it's like, oh no, dad, I want to
be a writer. Well, how would that know?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Well, that happens a lot in families I think where
the parents want their kids to follow in their footsteps.
I mean, like I said, with doctors, I'm just using
one girl that's a good one. You know, it's like,
you're not going to be a doctor, what are you thinking?
And they want to do something creative for something. You know,
everyone has parents who want them to do something successful,
but also kind of sometimes following their footsteps. With this,
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the kid felt like he had to do football, but
at the same time he enjoyed it. But he did
say we do flash for later. He's now grown up.
His dad has died in apparently the war that was it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I feel like that was a puzzle missing from the movie,
like all of a sudden, like the dad.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'll talk about at the end because I have some ideas.
But his dad is dead, and it looked like there's
something on the on the shelf that says like he
died in combat or something in a war. Oh that
could be yes. So, but what happened is we do
find out that Cam was actually going to quit football,
and then soon after he told his dad his dad
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died and he felt like he had to continue to
honor his dad's mat.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I felt like his mom throughout the film because obviously
in the film he gets hurt. Yes, which by the way,
that whole scene like he's like, okay, I guess he was.
I don't know if he was on a college or
a football field, just throwing the ball through the goldpost
like if someone can't like it looked like a mascot
came up behind him. Yes, I thought that was a dream.
I was like, who would do this to him?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was creepy. So basically he flash forward. He is
a rising like college star, and he is hoping to
be drafted by the same team that Isaiah, the Saviors,
because Isaiah's getting ready to retire. By the way, is
that a real team, The Saviors I do not think
is a real football team. No, no, no, they're not.
I mean I could be wrong, but I feel like
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I know most of its teams in football. I don't
think they are. So he is basically, and you know
how they have like the Big Draft, Well, they have
something called the Compilot season. No, no, it was, it
was basically it was I think it was the League
combined they called it, which I thought was the draft,
and he was going to be performing in that and
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like Right before that happens, someone in a very Tanya
Harding Nancy Kerrigan way shows up behind him in the
football field and he's in like this goat weird devilish
costume and slams them over the head.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Which I I thought the goalpost fell on top of him,
and that was supposed to be like like just like,
so that didn't happen. I was reading way too much
into it because nothing was like spelled for me.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I mean, the guy has a like a bat that goes.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And the way the way they showed the goal post
like shaking, well, like, is this to imply the goalpost
fell on top of him?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You're looking way more. Really, he threw he was he's
so good at being a quarterback that from far he
was able to throw the football. You like, I'm doing
this to him? Yes, are you getting in the football?
He threw the football and he could hit the goal post,
which is really tough to do, and he hit both
sides I could do. So it was kind of shaking
because he hit it. Then the guy came up behind him,
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but we then I thought that was going to end
him for good. Apparently a couple days later he's in
the hospital. He has staples in his skull, and he's
talking about competing in the combine anyway, and his like
agent wants him to do it anyway. But his mom
finally is like, like. The doctor talks to the mom
and says like, if you get hurt again, your brain
is well.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
She's like, I can't. The doctor was like, I can't
tell you what to do, but I'm telling you not.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
To yes, And he says no, he wants to compete
in this. And I looked at that as there is
a lot of Look, there have been lots of studies
that have come out over the years that people can
severely injure their brain and with helmets with how even
with helmets?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh, can I tell a story?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay. The story is is that you were playing football.
I was playing football. No, I wasn't playing football at all,
but I had three staples in my head right here
from what Okay, so this okay, my boyfriend at the time,
now hit you?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
He hit me?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
No, not at all. Uh. He put like this glass
shelfs next to it, and I've been down and I
cut myself on the corner of this glass shelf. So
it was like one two three, So they literally had
to go staple, staple, staple. So and then I played
kickball the same day.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Was it when we were playing kick Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, Oh my god, I remember I wore like a
hat to cover up my three staples. Oh yeah, one story.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, yes, I mean there's something jarring about seeing someone
having staples like ten. Yeah. He but remember the doctor
has said your brain needs time to reduce the swelling.
But he is basically he still wants to compete. He
wants to get drafted, but then there's this whole like
he kind of hut out his agent and his family
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and he ends up just not competing in it, which
is probably the healthiest thing anyway, and he's just not
gonna do it well. So then his agent calls him
and says, Isaiah has decided to give you a chance
to train with him at his own personal compound for
a week and then he's gonna decide if you'll be
drafted as his replacement. So of course Cam is like,
oh my god, I'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
When this whole thing started, and when the Cam is
that his name yea, the young guy's name's Cam. Okay.
So when he went away to like what looked like
the desert or this compound or whatever. I thought this
was starting like a dream sequence, like I thought I did.
I was like, none of this is real. It's just
because it felt very weird. Literally a football stadium inside
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of a compound.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't know if they literally felt like a compound.
It looked like it was in almost like a Palm
Springs like desert. It was so deserty. But as they're
driving to Isaiah's compound, he has some fanatical fans who
think he's like the Messiah. And one of them was
played by Naomi Grossman, who played Pepper in American Story,
and she was crazy in this movie.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
She was scary too.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
She had this long blonde wig. She looked out of
her mind on him. Yeah, she's spin on because she's
she These people like love Isaiah so much that they're like, no,
we don't want anyone to replace some like And I
think that was supposed to be a metaphor for people
truly like looking at these sports stars like they are gods.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Which is I hope I am never that person.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's the thing. I don't That's what I was gonna say.
There's certain people that I would get so starstruck in
front of Jamie Lee Curtis, for instance. But I also
don't look at them as you act like that. Not. No,
I don't look at any of these people as gods
because it doesn't mean they're any better than we are.
They just have been in things that we really love.
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So it is a little crazy when people start to
look at sports athletes like god.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Would you rather meet? Oh I can't do it?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
No, no, no, okay, okay, Jamie Curtis or Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, who would it be?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Do I get to How long do I get to
hang out with them?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Twenty minutes?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Just twenty minutes to be Oh God, that's so tough
because I feel like I would do Kelly Clarkson because
if I only got twenty minutes with Jamie Curtis, I
don't know if she'd want to talk a lot about Halloween.
If I got hours with her, she probably would, Whereas Kelly,
I know she would be for talking about anything for
twenty minutes. Jamie THEE Curtis would probably want to be
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about other stuff. So but either way, I want to
talk to both of them. But I want Jamie curs
talk to me about Halloween. She won't.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
She won't.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's okay. So right away when Cam meets Isaiah, you know,
he's very nice, he's very intense.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, a couple of things that grounded the movie a
little bit is like just these minor little details because
I was really reading too much into this film, like dream,
Dream and dream everything meant something to me. But there
was the scene where he was walking in and there
was like Amazon packages. He's like, oh, i'll be nice,
I'll pick up the Amazon packages. And then he goes
into start to talk to Marlon Wayins Isaiah, Yeah, Isaiah,
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and so then he's like he goes, give me your phone.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, So yes, he took his phone.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
He took his phone, and he goes, you can't do this,
you can't do this, and he and then also out
of nowhere, he just goes Grinder.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Oh well he cause he gat no. He was saying like,
you can't be on this side, you can't be on
this side. He mentioned porn sites, he mentioned only he
mentioned Grinder, just like, no matter what you're into, that's right.
But I was reading way too much and you're like,
oh my god, they're all gay.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
It was like it was like, oh my god, Cam
and Isaiah are gonna have ever do it. They're gonna
do it. I mean, who I mean there, I don't.
It was light on overtones or undertone.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Little hole moroticism and the like athletes going like yeah, man, anyway,
a lot of weird. Oh. We also meet Isaiah's wife,
who's played by what's.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Her name Julia Fox cut John.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
She was the girl who went viral for the way
she pronounced uncut gems in that in Everyone She's like, wow,
I mean what was the.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Quote she goes?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
She said like, well I did that kind of work
and I'm cut JOm.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'm cut joms. Julia Fox. I actually like her. What's
it called the way dialogue that is stretched? What's it called.
It's called there's a name for it for dialogue that
is Julia Fox. There's a vocal fry.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Vocal fry, Oh gosh, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Julia Fox is known for her vocal fry and her
crazy fashions. And I liked that this movie because she
was cast they really did embrace that.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
She was crazy. She looked crazy because she had she
had blonde hair, but her eyebrows were like bleached out.
And then she was always like either wearing some high
fashion thing or like going shopping or doing like I
feel like she was the stereotypical like Athletes's wife, like,
let me just use the money.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Well I didn't. I didn't know what to gather from her.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I thought that we were supposed to think because she
obviously is a lot more involved than we think, right.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right, right, She's very much involved to whatever the hell
was going on in this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So I think our favorite part of the movie was
when Marlon Wayn's made Cam do a physical right in
the middle of a football field and asked him to
drop his drawers, and he was fully new there. Of course,
you only see him from the backside, but boy, what
a great backside talks. But what's funny is after they
do the physical, Marlon Wayne says, I only wanted you
to go down to your underwear. What are you doing?
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You're making us uncomfortable And that was kind of funny
because I'm like, you literally said drop your drawers. The movie.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I'm not saying the movie was a comedy by any means,
And I don't even think they were trying to balance it,
like it was just trying to be so messed up.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
But don't you. I mean, not that it's the point
in the movie, but don't you think Tyreek Withers is
very attractive?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
He is, He's very cute, and you know, the movie
was just a series of close ups of him trying
to figure out what was going on. So that's why
I was really really set on, like, Okay, when you've
got like twenty stitches in your head, I just think like,
he's not in reaction, like none of this movie, which
I like me that'd be the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He definitely was having weird dreams while he was there
in Hallucinations. First off, the first thing that first sign
that something is wrong there is they're doing some practice
drills and then Marlon Wayans decides, Okay, we're gonna do
a drill where every time Cam makes a mistake when
he's making a pass, we're gonna put a football into
this speed launching machine that launches this at at a
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guy's face full speed, and every time he mess up,
it launches hits his face and literally he's bleeding, his
teeth are knocked out, and he says, oh, anything for you, Isaiah.
It's like there's a weird cult of people that will
do anything for him and Cam. Here's here's my question.
If you or me were Cam, I.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Stop it all right away, right, be like, hey, this
is so up, this is dumb. It's just football like
that that see never happens.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
No, he does say like what's going on? What do
you do? But then he goes along with right for
like he had like a that would have been it
with me.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Half a second of like oh this maybe this isn't right,
but that's this scene for me was the most uncomfortable,
and I was kind of looking around like is anyone
else as uncomfortable as I am?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
It was very uncomfortable because again, torture in any means
is tough for me to watch. I know it is
for you because.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
We were watching it in a special kind of sound.
So every single time the football hit, I was like,
I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It really was, And okay, I will put my mind
in Cam's mindset, and I guess if there's something you
want so badly, and him to be the quarterback of
the Saviors was his biggest like dream job that maybe
you would let some things that you find are morally
wrong slide, but like so much weird shit keeps going on,
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Like then he starts to see that Isaiah's getting these
blood injections, and Isaiah says it's his own blood, but
like a highly oxygenated version of it. And then they
start giving some of the injections to Cam, like putting
his blood in him to boost him up?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Like who was in training? Who was in training? Cam
was right, But I mean, like, why was Marlon doing all.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
This stuff just to be which is funny because he
said he may Yeah, what's he retiring for? So there's
just all sorts of weird drills that he's doing. He's
like making him run such long distances that he's throwing up.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh yeah, well first time it did look like they
didn't show like a lapse of time or anything, so
it looks like he just sprint in barf. He's like,
I'm over those.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, it was just it was a lot. And then
things take another step into the absurd when they're hanging
out in the sauna and that crazy before.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That happens there, the two main actors have a really
good acting scene and I was like, okay, like the
rest of the movie that's going on his nuts. The
scene before the lady comes in, they're just having a
talk and it's very good dialogue between the two very
strong actors. But the rest of the movie surrounding this
scene is just non sense.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well it's it's it's creepy, it's putting the horror elements.
And basically, while Cam is in the sauna alone, the
crazed fan I don't know how she broke in Isaiah's
calm under she's underneath the it's like the sauna bench
or whatever, and sneaks into the sauna and gets one
of the steam rocks and I guess it's gonna slam
Cam's face like to kill him, and he wakes up
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right before and he ends up like choking her to
the point that you almost think he killed.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Right he didn't. And also, I hate to bring it
up back to Friday thirteenth Party, Jason takes Manhattan. Jason
picked up one of those rocks and put it on
this sky stomach.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah. I actually thought that was a better scene in
Friday thirteenth than in this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Wait, well though, I mean thirteen Party Jason takes Manhatten
a lot better than the movie I thought actually would agree.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah. So, but okay, so Cam is freaked out because
not only was he almost killed He almost choked this
woman to death. Marlon Wayne comes in calmer than a
what's something calmer than a cucumber, calmer than a cucumber, like,
grabs her by the neck, looks like he's gonna go
to kiss her, and then shoves her into the back
wall to the point that her neck snaps and she
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falls dead.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, and so okay, so this for Cam should have
been the biggest wake up call, like, oh, I just
saw the guy training me murder someone, and maybe I
should call it a day.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, And but literally it's just like, oh, we're gonna,
we're gonna just he just moves along like it was nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I understand that the girl was attacking him, so whatever
they did was kind of self defense. But the way
Marlon Waynes wanted about it, it was like, I have
no feelings. I am a psychopath. I'm just gonna kill
this person who's threatening me and don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Right, And then like the guy that's the doctor, I guess,
he comes in and just mops it up.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, just like it's nothing. Oh, like we kill people here. Yeah,
it's just a weird There's a bunch of weird scenes.
There's also weird scenes where like like Cam is partying
with Isaiah's wife and then he kind of blacks out
and the next day he wakes up and Isaiah's holding
a gun to his head. Did you fuck her?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah? Just like this is crude.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But then what's weird is like he's playing mind games.
He says, Oh, well, you shouldn't care because like anybody can,
Like he was acting like you should do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Was He's setting him up to be like, hey, when
you play football, it's almost like you're playing god.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
He's acting like he is a god, and I think
he thinks he is because he's the goat. He's him,
and he's training Cam to be like are you gonna
be someone who like killer? You can kill someone without remorse,
you can sleep with that. Oh. He jokes that Cam
wants to be monogamous to his girlfriend, and he's like, uh,
that's not what like we do.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I was waiting for his girlfriend or his mother or
his best friend to come back into the movie or
like at least at the end, like have another like nope,
like kind of like a beginning in the middle and
an end and like.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
None, no, none of no. There's a phone call he
talks to his mom on the phone, but remember phones,
because you can't have your phone at this compound. But
as we get into even more stranger, stranger things.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Stranger finds.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So he does go to a party that the wife
again takes him to and says, the Savior's owners are
going to be here. We're almost done with your training.
You got to put in a good word. They're gonna,
you know, to be the next quarter.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Okay. So this lighting was like for me, it was
it just was so simple of like the devil or
it looks like it was a cult follow Yeah, it
was like bright red. So they go in and it's
like bright red and like and then so the guy
that's his doctor comes up to him and like I
would looking for anything, like a clue, like is this
the dream? Is he gonna snap out of it? Is
he still under like amnesia.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
An well or a brain injury? Yeah? Yeah, okay, So
he comes up and he goes run. He's like this
means something, Yes, he whispers run to him. Now at
the time, you're thinking, does he mean run like get
away from his compound? You find out a little bit later.
But what happens is he meets the owners and they're
all these like old white guys, and I think that
comes into play later. I'll get to that later, but
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like they're all like talking to him and he's trying
to impress them. But then, in a weird this is
when I did, like you thought, start to think like
is there dream stuff going on? He starts kind of
like I don't know if trup ben. Yeah, they're all
drinking a red substance which looks like blood, and I'm like,
is this Lost Boys?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah? It was Lost Boys? Or and then like all
of a sudden, all the girls are naked.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
And he's hallucinating, and then he sees the doctor decapitated
head and almost like these this group did a sacrifice.
And I'm thinking, either there's a cult thing going on
or he's tripping.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Now did Julia Fox chop his head off? Who chopped
his head off?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
We don't know. We just saw his head chopped off.
But when Cam wakes up, he's like on a stretcher
and he has an iv in and more of Isaiah's
blood is being pumped into him and it's like finally
he rips it out and he really like that. Finally
he's hit the breaking point, but.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
He realizes two murders. I got to call it a day.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Exactly. He can't move if he's paralyzed from the waist down,
and he's able to get a syringe that has written
the word run on it, and I think that's what
the doctor was like cluing him in on, like when
they incapacitate, you use the syringe with run. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
So he took that syringe and jammed it into his
chest and I'm like, okay, what is well, first off,
what's in there? Whose blood is that?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Whatever counteracted whatever was paralyzing him. I guess like it
was starting to get really absurd, So he is. So
he then he meets up with Isaiah and they have
a big talk where Isaiah finally admits to him that basically,
he explains that the blood of the greatest of all
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time gets passed like from one person to the next,
and that's the blood they've been using. But then out
of nowhere, he says, and we're going to have to
fight to the death to see who's going to be
the next greatest of all time. But here's what confused me.
I thought, Isaiah, Okay, if you thought was on his side,
if you just wanted to keep being the goat. Why
did you invite Cam to train or was it to
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show that you were stronger than him? Great question because
I thought he was retiring, Right, If.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You're retiring, why can't you just let this young guy be?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But maybe it was all facade. He because everyone thought
Cam was going to be the next great one, and
Isaiah wanted to hold on to it. And that is
a real thing in sports. A lot of people retire
a lot later than they should.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Amos like Demi Moore trying to hold on at the
last minute to her job.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, oh, it's exactly the comparative. But here's where the
substance really really succeeded because it was again, it was cohesive. Yeah,
but this was like, okay, there's a lot of symbolicness going.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
On, nightmarish dream stuff that we don't really know is
going on, but.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, they end up fighting really brutally and it ends
in Cam literally bludgeoning Isaiah to death with like his trophy.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I thought it was a helmet, Well, oh, with a helmet.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
You're right, You're right. I think he grabbed a trophy.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I think the trophy was the first blow and then
the second blow.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Get your budget.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
But we also like, how was he able to do anything?
Because just two seconds before that, right like, he showed
that he broke his arm and I.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Was like, yes, this fight, Isaiah breaks Cam's arm in
such a way that he can It.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Almost looked like it could be torn off.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Apparently it wasn't his dominant hand, and he was able
to use his one hand. Can you throw the pan
to death? Well, okay, so in our big climactic ending,
because that wasn't the ending. Cam walks out of this
thinking he's eggiting the compound and there's like a big
ceremony where all of the owners of the Saviors are there,
all these cheerleaders.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Well this, yes, this is more dream like stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I think this really happened.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure it did happen, I
you know, but it looked dreamy. Yeah, all of the
all the men were wearing pig masks. Julia Fox was
like bright white and she had like a signature book,
a signature book, yes, like contract. And then all the
cheerleaders their faces were what were their face their faces.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
They looked like they had masks on.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, but they weren't the kind of mask like they
looked like a way to like when you fuzz out
someone's faces. It looked like like like panty.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah. Yeah, it was creepy. It was really fucking creepy.
And remember Cam has blood all over him. He's just
bludgeoned is Saya to death. And they basically announced you
are going to be the next greatest of all time,
but you need to sign this blood to oath, literally
signing your soul to the devil. I mean, could the
metaphor couldn't have been moving here signing your life in
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the old life away, signing your soul to the devil.
And Cam, in a you know, a heroic mode, decides
or move decides not to sign and instead he's gonna
murder everyone in this ceremony. And he starts attacking the
different people with like a sword. He throws a sword
at Julia Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well, she stands up. This is a pretty funny scene.
She stands up and she has a knife. She's running
with a knife and then she trips and just stops
herself on the back. Yes, so she steps herself in
the neck and I was like, I mean, I was laughing,
but only because it was like.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
So ludicrous, but I mean it was so ludicrous. Now,
one thing I will say is that the ending of
the Substance was pretty damn ludicrous too. Well.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
The Substance, and then we also saw the Pete Davidson
The Home, The Home, and this movie kind of falls
in the same kind of genre, which is a weird
genre that we are.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
In insanity if someone just just he owes out in
a massacre at a total masker. At the end, he's
killing left and right. He decapitates the owner of the Saviors,
which was one of these old white guys. And one
thing I read about this movie, which I was going
to bring up, is that, like I and this is
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something that I'm not I'm speaking toward. What I read
is like that some apparently, I think some black football
players feel like they're at the mercy of the people
who own the teams, who are usually these old white
people who have tons of money and can just use
them as their tools. That sounds very real to me.
So I feel like they purposely made all the owners
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of the team and of this coole old white guys
that are basically using these football players as their pawns
and their game and things like that. So there's so
many different things you can get from this movie. But
he ends up murdering the owner, decapitating him.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
But he stops that.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
He doesn't kill his agent because I guess he feels
a little bit of connection doing them.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
That's a good question, because all of a sudden, the
agent is moving, his body is moving by itself into
like a right, So I was like, okay, like is
he gonna get it the worst?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
So he does because and this is when if for
this whole movie, if you're wondering, is there more play
here supernaturally than just crazed people. Yes, because at the
end they show his agent being dragged across the ground
into a pentagram, and then in the background he just
explodes into pieces.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I totally graud about.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Oh yeah, he explodes in the pieces. And again for me,
this was like it's almost like a little too little,
too late, Like if there were demonic supernatural things happening
the whole time, I would have wanted to see more
of them throughout, not just at the end, Like.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We we didn't get to know these characters, and they
weren't like throughout the whole movie, like sign on this contract.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
And I was like, it felt a little Rosemary's babyish
at the end with Marry. So the very last scene
that we get is that like Cam is just walking
away from this compound.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Shirtless and bloody, you know, me a coke.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And that's the end. We don't get to see what happened. Now,
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I was waiting for, like, oh, does he get to
see his mom again, his girlfriend and that guy that
he's so meanly pushed at the beginning at that part.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I think that was his brother. I think that was
his brother. He I'm assuming he goes back and he
has nothing to do with football. Oh, we forgot one
big thing. When he the coal is telling him to
sign the contract, they reveal that he was chosen and
groomed for this world from a kid, and they had
been in talks with his dad.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So there's a flashback photo of like he's like, oh,
I got my picture taken with my dad and this guy,
and I'm just about to chop off his head at
a goalpost.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, Like the owners of Idiots, the owners of the
Saviors basically knew his dad and he was picked and
groomed for this and they even insinuate that the dad's
death may not have been an accident in Aka, they
may have killed his dad to get him to continue football,
because remember he was about to quit and then his dad.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
His dad was gonna go up to his son and
be like, hey, if you don't want to play football,
that's a.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
But I mean so, so this this coal had been
grooming him to be the next goat, and the next
goat actually.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That would have been I was you read were the
one that told me that that originally was gonna be
the title the goat.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yes, I read that goat goat was supposed to be
the title before him, which, yeah, it does seem like
that would make more sense, Sam, I'm not sure, yeah,
but so And I think that speaks to a lot
of times when you think about professional athletes like Olympians,
figure skaters, any type of athlete, they always start training
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at such a young age and their childhood is just
like it's engrossed with just this sport, and in a
way they're being groomed to be Olympians or professional athletes
like you're kind of on this path, you have to
do it. So I feel like this was a supernaturally
exaggeration of that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
I agree, And it also could have been like done
in the world of like a pushy parent into acting,
you know, like what they what do they call stage
mom stage moms? The movie could have been called stage
I'm making him a prequel called stage Man.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Oh you know what I was gonna say, of what
I think happened at the end, I think the cam left.
I would hope to God he left football for good,
because yes, you could say, oh, it was just this team,
but I think he had his fill of this. Now,
how is he going to explain what happened at the compound?
No idea?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, he's I killed everybody?
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, I killed everybody. Why they wanted to offer you
a contract?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
What's the problem here?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Were they attacking you? Well, no, but they were wearing
goat masks?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Were they pig masks?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I guess, oh yeah they were probably. Oh and one
other thing they admit. They admit that they caused that
they hired someone to slam him and give him the accident.
Before that, the Combine draft thing, because they wanted to
get him to train at the compound. Separately, I still
think that was the dream they were just well then,
but how did he have the scar? And that's a
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dream where.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Post fell on him.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I love that so many things. But there's a reason
you didn't get what was correctly going on, because a
lot of shit was going on, very fast, very fragmented,
and it didn't feel like a cohesive story. But you're right,
the visuals were pretty astounded, right.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I mean, the movie was stylish. I thought the two
main guys were great actors. I Julia Fox was a
fun addition, so okay, but I mean as yeah, I
liked her. I like her anything possible. But she is
a unique actress, Like she's not boring, She's never boring.
And I did, I couldn't take my eyes off of her.
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But overall I thought I couldn't make heads or tails
of it. I was just kind of like, this movie's
annoying me because it's just a good looking guy getting
beat up.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
It's almost like, Okay, the writers, it's like, okay, we
know what. We have a point we want to make
about the football industry, or a bunch of points.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Like do you think it's going to change football?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
For of course, but we also want to add horror elements.
But we also want to basin a reality, and we
also want to make it true to life of like
one athlete, and we want to have combined the horror
elements with the training, with the metaphor with this, and
it just it showed that it was all kind of combination.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I mean, they say that movies are made in the
editing room, but how many editors we're working on it.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I don't know. Unless there was a lot more story
in this than they, I don't know what would have
made this a little bit clearer. I just think that
it's like there was a lot of different types of
movies in one and yeah, didn't stay in one lane,
which some people find good. And look the absurdity in
the insanity this movie that may alone appeal to some people,
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and I understand that. I totally, like, I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
In like fifty years, people are like, oh my gosh,
we're studying him.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
You know, it is the kind of movie that, let's say,
in fifty years, Football's band. I don't know, I'm just
making it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Because you know what I mean. Like, it actually made
me think the whole time I was watching the movie,
I was like, oh my gosh, these little helmets are
protecting people's brains, Like and people pay a ridiculous amount
of money, them getting really deep. They get, they get
they pay a ridiculous amount of money to watch these
guys basically.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Slam into each other.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah I like it.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
No, I I know I agree because and again it's
been there's a reason why all these studies have shown
that football results in some of the most I think
long term injuries. Now, every sport has his injuries, of course. Yeah,
that's fourth square, And I don't want to say that
against sports because look, that's a risk you take. Even
walking outside, you could trip, you could fall, you could
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hurt yourself. But football, you were literally slamming into people,
blocking them, throwing them down, pushing them to the ground,
and you're only wearing a helmet and your head is
getting bashed over and over.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
And you know, when I was a kid, when I
used to just be in the room where football was on,
you know, they weren't grass fields. They were sometimes just
like fake fields, like fake grass, turfy surf. Okay that's
what I get.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
There's a word for that.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So the turf and like their elbows
were exposed and like their elbows were all bloody.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah. I was just like, why, why I've got to
say football and boxing, for me are the two sports
that I am like, why would you subject yourself to?
I know that hockey can be pretty violent too, but
that's usually when the people get in fights with each other,
not just the sport.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I mean, like if you get hit with the puck
in the face.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, ouch. But I mean what makes hockey brutals the
fights because they have tempers. Football like when you're a
tight end like your position, ye no, But when you're
like any sort of defensive person or any of the
people that are either tackling or holding people back, you're
constantly being thrown around all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I mean, like the injury list must be huge.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Oh it is huge, and I got to hurt my fingers,
just your fingers, But I think it's like the brain
injuries alone. But so anyway, there were a lot of
points that I think were like mildly made in this movie,
and I think maybe I don't know, it just was
a little bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I do have a new respect for Tom Brady because
that's the only football player I couldn't know.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I look focusing on the positive, I think Marlon Wayns
impressed me in terms of his dramatic acting because I
only remember him from like scary movie.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
You know what is interesting and White Chicks is that
remember the two thousand movie. I want to say it's
two thousand recoriem of his dream. Was he in that?
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Marlon Wayns?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, didn't he do drugs?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Actually he may have been in that.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah. Like with the with the each time they like
did the drugs, there was like oh yeah, and then
and then this movie kind of took that idea a
little bit and took it a little further. But with
blood with blood in sports.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, I think that. Like I said, both performances. I
was impressed with Tyreek Withers because especially because I was
not impressed with him and I know what you did
last summer, so this his performance impressed me. I was
impressed with how often they had him shirtless. I also
just thought like, yes, there was a ton of like yelling,
locker room talk, sports stuff, everything like that. Very but
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it was very in a scary way. And then all
of the nightmarish culty scenes were again they were visually appealing,
but from a story perspective, it was just kind of convolation.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
I probably said this on every podcast, but who's this
movie made for, like guys that like football, because wouldn't
they not like football?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
But I don't know, because I think it was just
made for people who will horror people like the same
people that watch OC Housewives exactly. Tim Murdoch, No, I don't.
I don't really know, because again, it doesn't have to
be so on the nose of it's a sports movie,
it's for sports people, because I don't know if I
really considered it as a sports movie. It's a horror, horror,
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horrific look at sports, a horrific look. I don't know
why I say horrrific, horrific look at sports. And I
don't know if sports people want to look at sports.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Like right, Like I mean, like, is this gonna bum out?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Like your dad loves football? You really think he wants
to see him and see such a dark take.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I don't think my dad would like it exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
So I don't know if the sports audience that lives
and dies by football wants to see a film like this.
I think this is people for people who like, aren't
the biggest fans of football, but are fans of crazy insanity.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I think this movie is made for insane people.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Well, were fans of insane horror and nightmarish culty. Shit. Again,
it did have feelings of Rosemary's Baby, and I think
it had potential, like it could have been a good movie.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I totally agree, like if it just made just a
pinch more sense. It just was like just a little
less on the like the dreamy whole look of it. Yes,
I would be like, Okay, this makes it. But once
you go out into the desert and everything's re read
you last.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Once you have Naomi Grossman in a blonde wig.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Trying to attack people because that's our favorite team.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
And bidding on them.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah gross Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
No. There was a lot of craziness, but I think
the costumes must have been really fun because they're all
dressed like those weird you said, pig mask, goat, goat,
pig everything right, it was. It was very odd. But anyway,
so I mean, should you rush out to see him
in the theaters if you, if you've listened to this
episode this far and this appeals to you, then you
probably should.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Right when the movie ended, I think you and I
sat there like we were just kind of like taking
a breath, just like.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I remember what I said. I turned to Tim and
I said, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah? It was like, I mean, I guess bravo for
making a movie make me think.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, let me give you a flip side reaction of
when a movie ended. When we saw The Home with
Pete Davidson, which we went into with zero expectations. I
turned to Tim and I said, you know, I think
I may have liked that movie because I was so shocked.
We didn't say that, oh, we didn't say oh about him? No, no,
I said what I literally said, what the fuck are?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
And then I think a lot of people were just
sitting there, not getting up to move. They were just
kind of like, okay, am, I just got there for
two hours, and I don't know what I like?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
What did I see? The thing is it got panned
by critics, like critics hated it. I haven't checked out
the audience score, but like, I don't think it is.
I don't know if people are gonna love this movie.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Sometimes when a movie's so insane, people would like, like
if you just told me everything that we just talked about, like, oh,
this sounds insane, I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, then that's what like if for anybody who's listened
or watched this episode to this point and didn't see him.
Maybe we intrigued you, and great, you know, like I
mean you should see it. Just know what you're getting into.
You know what kind of movie? Yeah, know what kind
of movie you're getting into. And and for people who
just want to see it. For Tyreek Withers, go ahead.
There's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Him in it, yes, Like there's so much like close
up on his eyes.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
The movie, like he was literally shirtless in every scene,
Like it almost was exploitative if it wasn't that the
whole movie was about him training and working out.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Right, I mean, you know it's so weird, like the
movie says like day one, day two, day three, day four.
I didn't realize I thought that said. I thought, don't okay,
I thought that was week, but it was just a day, right,
a day? Okay, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
There a week. Week two is doing six weeks? Train? No? No, no,
it was one week. Yeah, it was. It was a
quick train. Want to know what kind of blood transfusion
do we need to get to be the Goat?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
I just I already know I'm him.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
I want to be Tim. We're gonna let's get some
blood in us and be really good at football. Can
you imagine.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Nothing would disinterest me more?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
And there you have it at everybody anyway. That is
our review of him, and I don't know why we
always keep anything like that. I say because of Rhinzo
tam him from Tim and Matt. Thank you for watching
everyone by football. Yeah sort.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
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Speaker 2 (54:35):
I'm Matt Emmerts and I'm Tim Murdoch and we hope
you have a Happy Horror Time
Hello, Welcome to Happy Horrid Time. My name is Tim Murdoch.
Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmert. And if you are
watching and wondering, why the hell are Matt and Tim
wearing sports shirts?
Speaker 1 (00:19):
We love sports.
Speaker 2 (00:20):
We have totally changed and we're now big into sports. No,
this is our episode reviewing him the movie, the new
movie produced by Jordan Peele's company, and it is all
about football. So Tim and I searched our wardrobe. Tim
tell this is.
Speaker 1 (00:39):
An Ohio date Buckeyes. People in Ohio love the Buckeyes.
They have football.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I have a New York Jets sweatshirt. Dad gave this
to me. I love the color. So that sounds so gay.
Speaker 1 (00:51):
I love that beautiful color.
Speaker 2 (00:53):
My dad used to have season tickets to the Jets,
and I used to go with him to a lot
of games. So I've seen the team play a bunch.
They pretty much suck. I think they still suck.
Speaker 1 (01:03):
Do they know when you When I hear the word Jets,
I think of West Side Story.
Speaker 2 (01:08):
Yeah, no, it's not that, but yeah. So this is
the only sports related paraphernalia I have at the moment.
What else do you have?
Speaker 1 (01:18):
I have this, and I have a jersey in my garage.
That says sixty nine. Wait what yeah, I like that's
where you met your your boyfriend Jacob.
Speaker 2 (01:29):
Oh you wore at that jockas Nerds party seven years ago.
Speaker 1 (01:33):
Seven years ago, it says sixty nine.
Speaker 2 (01:36):
Wow is that your number? If you were a football
player too? Why?
Speaker 1 (01:40):
Oh? Because I I'm a tight end. I don't know
cut that. Tim just said, now I have a quarterback.
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:53):
I think if you were playing football, I don't know.
Speaker 1 (01:56):
I don't know.
Speaker 2 (01:56):
Yeah, I don't know what position I could see. I
would be the kicker water boy, Yes, yes, yes, kicker, Yes,
if I were playing. I will say when I was
a kid, I did like to play catch with a
football with my dad, and my parents always thought like
I could throw well, but I was very skinny. So
they always told me, if you ever play football, and
I never did, be the quarterback, because you don't want
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to be someone who's like constantly getting tackled all the time.
But the quarterback gets tackled a lot.
Speaker 1 (02:20):
Well, do you know I'm named Timothy David.
Speaker 2 (02:23):
Because of an Ohio State.
Speaker 1 (02:25):
No, because of touchdown Murdoch.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
No way, Yes, wow, they named you touchdown Murdoch. Wow,
I love it, but BDM, I just want to know.
Your dad is such a football guy, do any of it?
Two out of his three sons are gay. Is does
Trevor like football?
Speaker 1 (02:47):
Yes?
Speaker 2 (02:47):
Okay, so Jamie does too. Oh okay, I know I
was a bad stereotype. Gay people can like sports too.
Speaker 1 (02:53):
They totally do, and they can and they will.
Speaker 2 (02:55):
And they will and they'll be playing sports and they
play in sports. Yeah, we just happen to not be
big sports fans. Although I've watched enough.
Speaker 1 (03:03):
I like tether ball, spor square, a hardcore hacky sack.
Speaker 2 (03:08):
I've watched enough sports where I know enough to like.
Jacob always tells me when we watch the super Bowl,
because we do watch the super Bowl, that I actually
can tell them what's going on because I've I know
enough about sports because I grew up watching and playing.
But like, I just don't care anymore.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, that's the thing. I am happy that people love sports.
It gives them something to do every Saturday, Sunday or
whatever day it's on. But and I think that's awesome.
They dress and they have tailgates, and it brings joy
to so many people. So I'm not gonna take that away.
Speaker 2 (03:39):
No, definitely not. I mean it's a great I just
don't care. It's a thing, yeah for people who like it.
People like really are obsessed with some sports. But you know,
it can be the same way people could accuse us
of being obsessed with horror movies. I mean, everyone has
something that're really into, and hey, whatever brings you joy.
Speaker 1 (03:58):
I'm also into flyfish.
Speaker 2 (04:00):
Yeah, I definitely see you being a fly fisher. Look
a river runs through it.
Speaker 1 (04:04):
I saw that with Brad Pitt and Shepherd.
Speaker 2 (04:07):
With his long hair.
Speaker 1 (04:08):
Did Brad Pitt have long hair?
Speaker 2 (04:09):
Yes?
Speaker 1 (04:09):
I thought that was the other one, something of the phone.
Speaker 2 (04:12):
What was his Legends of the Fall? Legends had short
hair and a river.
Speaker 1 (04:18):
You don't know your Brad.
Speaker 2 (04:19):
I don't know brad pit hair styles. How about in
cutting class.
Speaker 1 (04:22):
It was like kind of like this like mine.
Speaker 2 (04:25):
Oh yeah, but not gray and old.
Speaker 1 (04:27):
Yeah, it's true, it's true.
Speaker 2 (04:29):
So uh, before we start into our review of him,
we uh. This past week got to attend a book
signing event for our recent guest, Ashley Collins, who did
the book on the screen franchise Your Favorite Scary Movie.
And it was at a small little bookstore in West
Hollywood called book Soup, and it was really fun. We
put a picture in our story a week ago or
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whatever when it came out, but or when we went there.
But it was really nice because she had quite a
crowd but showed up for her. Evan Williamson was there,
Michael Kennedy, as in the writer of Heart Eyes and Freaky,
was there. Mary Ann Maddelina, producer of the Scream movies,
was there, and so it was really cool because we
got to see Kem Williamson, who we've had on the show.
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We got to see Michael Kennedy who we've had on
the show. We met Maryanne Madeleina, and we also met
a producer and I can't remember his name.
Speaker 1 (05:19):
Name, and he was such a nice guy and he
told us a lot of fun facts.
Speaker 2 (05:22):
He was apparently he worked closely with Bob Weinstein when
Scream one was happening, and he started just telling us
all these stories about how that went down and how
it was tough to work with him and everything. And
he's the original, yeah, the original Scream and he's in
Ashley's book. And I felt so awful because I couldn't
remember his name, but I remembered reading the parts he
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was telling a story.
Speaker 1 (05:44):
So what we have to do is go back to
the book, which I did not read, but I listened
to the audio.
Speaker 2 (05:48):
But would you go back? Would you go back to
the future?
Speaker 1 (05:50):
Yes, which opens apparently on October thirty first, on Halloween.
Speaker 2 (05:54):
Wait, you mean coming back back to the future. Oh yeah, yeah,
oh for the first time, the first time. I'm pretty yeah. Well.
One cool thing is when Ashley saw us, she said, oh,
it's the happy horror time guys, which she was really nice,
and she was telling people, She's like, they did a
ninety minute interview with us, So was it ninety It
was because there was tons to talk about.
Speaker 1 (06:16):
So there's seven films.
Speaker 2 (06:17):
Well it's not just the seven films, like, there were
so many interviews. She talked with so many different people,
so there are so many different perspectives. But anyway, it
was really fun. We took a picture with her, saw
some people we've had on the show, and I felt
really good for her because she had a great group there.
But I do feel like it felt like we were
at Sidney Prescott's book signing and scream four for Out
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of Darkness.
Speaker 1 (06:39):
That's right, And don't they all leave the dude, that's
my rental, and then inside there's pictures of her book
with like blood on it.
Speaker 2 (06:47):
Yeah, because the opening murders just happened and they're all
running in. They have that scene where the trunk opens
up and you see all of them. Remember how big
that like shot was of all of them. Look that
made Yeah, that made the rounds. I think it was
in the trailer. It was like everything.
Speaker 1 (07:01):
I can't believe that movie's fourteen years old.
Speaker 2 (07:04):
Oh my god, Scream four is fourteen years old. Wow,
that's crazy.
Speaker 1 (07:08):
Well, anyway, I've lived like ten lives since then.
Speaker 2 (07:12):
Oh my god. But I thought you're only twenty one,
so I know it's weird. It's weird, like if you're
only twenty one. That movie came out when you were
like a teen.
Speaker 1 (07:18):
Do you remember the group the Cranberrys.
Speaker 2 (07:21):
Of course they didn't.
Speaker 1 (07:22):
They sing a song like twenty one twenty one.
Speaker 2 (07:26):
I think it sounded just like that, I know, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
I've never had no idea what you're talking about.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
I don't you know. I could be completely wrong.
Speaker 2 (07:33):
Okay, So on to him. Now. You may be thinking,
that's an interesting, uh movie? Oh say for Matt and
Tim to review. But look, we don't discriminate about any
types of horror sports, nonsports, you see it all.
Speaker 1 (07:49):
My favorite sports film of all time is like Rudy.
Speaker 2 (07:52):
I actually, I actually really like Rudy Have a Major League?
Speaker 1 (07:57):
Remember one two or three? You know Jenson Dad it
from five thirteen? Party is in Major League three. I
didn't know that We're gonna have to watch was that
street to video? No, it was did time time in jail?
Speaker 2 (08:09):
Did you see Rookie of the Year where the kid
can throw it from American Pie and from Halloween resurrecs.
Speaker 1 (08:15):
Yeah, there's two of them. There's Rookie of the Year
and there's another one that was a little kid with
Oh it's called Little big League, is it? There's like
there was a certain time where little kids wanted to
be in base.
Speaker 2 (08:24):
And also remember Angels in the outfield.
Speaker 1 (08:27):
Tony Danza was in that right, Who's the Boss? Yeah,
that's Angela.
Speaker 2 (08:32):
Did you like that Tony dance?
Speaker 1 (08:33):
That was really good. I was like, God, I'm here
with Tony Milano's dad right here.
Speaker 2 (08:38):
Anyway, So we I mean, look, we were this is
we're getting right into our favorite month of the year,
and this is our last episode before we get into October,
when we are releasing a number of interviews with Halloween
related people. I'll just say that it's gonna be a
fun October. So we're focusing on the Halloween franchise with
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a bunch of interviews. But we wanted to get a
horror movie in a new release that came out right
before that, and that was him and I this is
something that they were really using the Jordan Peele name
on this. Every trailer I saw from the mind of
But then I'm like, he only produced it. He didn't
write and direct it, so his company.
Speaker 1 (09:18):
Didn't even star. I don't even know if he visited this.
Speaker 2 (09:21):
That Jordan Peele was one of the producers, how involved
what I'm thinking, I'm just guessing he probably read the script,
liked it, and his company bought the script, and that's
kind of where it ends. I don't know exactly how
everything works out with that. Was he in the day
to day? Probably no? Was he there with us get Out?
Speaker 1 (09:42):
Get Out? I like, there's one more, There's one more.
Speaker 2 (09:46):
So it's not like quite a Jordan Peele film, but
it also is because he's not going to put his
name on anything like I really think Jordan Peele is
going to look for something he believes in, and I
think he probably really believed in this film.
Speaker 1 (10:00):
Do you believe in this film?
Speaker 2 (10:03):
Look so tough? I kind of thought it was a
big old mess, Like to be honest, like we saw
this movie and just overall thoughts, it was very convoluted.
I kind of understood the reference that was making two
sports leagues and selling your soul to be like a.
Speaker 1 (10:26):
No, I really great.
Speaker 2 (10:27):
Athlete, but I didn't think it was a good story
or a cohesive.
Speaker 1 (10:33):
Movie that Thank you for saying that, because I was
having trouble because I was still trying to figure out
Marlon Wayne's character and there was like blood, there was
blood and like the younger guy was taking Marlon Wayne's blood.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
Yeah, but that's about getting into the Ancritica season because.
Speaker 1 (10:50):
They I thought that's what the whole thing was about it.
Speaker 2 (10:52):
It was because basically they added a supernatural tale to
like passing down the title of of like the greatest
of all time, the Goat or the hemn Like there's
one chosen person and there's this cult that like basically
nurtures and gets that person to that status, and they
passed down the blood of the greatest of all time,
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and that gives them an extra power as it so
it took like real sports types of stuff but made
it supernatural. The only thing is is that there was
I couldn't quite tell if this was just social commentary
on the sport of football, or if it was a
supernatural tale, or if it was a football supernatural tale,
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or if it was I just it was a lot.
Speaker 1 (11:36):
This is what I thought. I thought it. Everything I
thought was straight up real, and this is how I
thought the NFL works.
Speaker 2 (11:42):
I mean, the thing is is, look, it's one of
those movies that if you are listening to Happy Hour
time a lot, you hear that Tim and I aren't
the biggest fans of movies, that the horror of it
is a metaphor for something right right right.
Speaker 1 (11:54):
Well, I mean, I guess I was reading online and
I thought this was a very good point, but it
was not execut did as well as as what it
was being compared to.
Speaker 2 (12:02):
Yes, the substance.
Speaker 1 (12:04):
People were saying it's a male version of the substance,
but you know, obviously the substance was well crafted and
thought out and had a plot. This was just kind
of like cran and was just like, yeah, I.
Speaker 2 (12:18):
Can see that. I think that's actually a good assessment
because the substance it did have social commentary in it,
but it felt like it was a tighter story. And
this felt like it was kind of all over the place.
There were so many things happening. There was a lot
of yelling, a lot of working out. I won't complain though,
that you get to see Tyreek Withers shirtless throughout the
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majority of the movie. He is a great looks like
a wonderful shape. He was in I Know What You
Did Last Summer, and let me just tell you, I
did not like him. And I Know what You did
last Summer. I thought he was annoying.
Speaker 1 (12:50):
I didn't I can't even remember that movie.
Speaker 2 (12:52):
I thought he the way I couldn't even understand him
all the time in this movie. I gotta say one
thing I will compliment is that I think both Marlon
Wayans and Tyreek Withers gave really solid performtions.
Speaker 1 (13:05):
I agree one hundred and ten percent. And when the
movie started, I actually was just because I mean, I okay,
are we starting okay? Okay, no, no, but I'm like
the beginning of the film with all the toxic masculinity.
For me personally, I was just like my eyes were
rolling a lot. I was just like okay, God, like everyone,
the dad's like, oh, that's gonna be you someday. You
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need to man up. I was just like kill.
Speaker 2 (13:29):
The opening, we have a young Cameron is our main guy.
That's who's played by Tyreek Withers, and it's him as
a young kid watching his favorite football star, Isaiah, who
is played by Marlon Wayans, in a football game with
his dad and you know a lot of sons and
dads or daughters and dads bond over watching football with him,
and he like loves Isaiah, and Isaiah gets injured on
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the field and it's.
Speaker 1 (13:52):
They actually show it and it's really gross. It's like
it's like a bone shoving out through the kneecap, which
can that happen?
Speaker 2 (13:57):
Of course, anything can happen when you fuck up your
leg or arm or anything. Your bones, bones can break, shatter,
bend everything. So the dad in this is very much
like one of those like almost coach like dads, no guts,
no glory, like it takes real men make sacrifices to
get what they want. And he's very much like this
with his young kids.
Speaker 1 (14:16):
I mean, I don't know what the goals. I mean,
I as a gay man, okay, so I know people
are people. People are people as Okay, it's a pass mode.
So is the goal of a straight man is like
the sale end all is to be a sports star
if you're a straight is I don't know.
Speaker 2 (14:34):
I can't that's a blank saying generalization beyond generalization. No, No,
I know I think that there may there's certain households
where sports are very important, and I think a stereotype
is that, like dads want their sons to follow either
in their footsteps or to play sports. And I think
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being an athlete is like really looked upon as like
a great career. But I don't think that by any
means is like all straight men all men in general.
And then there's some doctors that they push their kids
to be doctors just.
Speaker 1 (15:11):
And also like there was the movie was also saying like,
you know, because I'm sure on campuses and even after camp,
after campus, after campus life, like if you're at school
after school, there's like obviously the NFL, and then so
it's like they don't want these young athletes to get
hurt so it's like maybe school and scholarships are kind
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of fall to the wayside, and you know, right wait,
I'm just saying like the focus is not so much
like their academics their focus.
Speaker 2 (15:41):
They get the scholarship in the sport. Ye right, Well,
I mean look everyone there's scholarship is given out for
everything academic.
Speaker 1 (15:47):
I should have got one for choir.
Speaker 2 (15:48):
I think so definitely, yeah, yeah, or roller skating.
Speaker 1 (15:51):
Roller skating school.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
I think though, that there is a group of people
that look at sports stars and idolize them. Now, I'm
not saying that in a not a bad thing, because
look at us with horror stars.
Speaker 1 (16:05):
I look at Michael Myers.
Speaker 2 (16:06):
Yeah yeah, but I mean everyone, whatever their passion is,
they kind of idolize the people to make a career
out of that. So I think in this family, the
dad was idolizing sports stars. The best achievement in his
life could be as if his son became a sports star.
And that's what was always like imposed on this young
Cameron growing up.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
I mean, did he even really have a toye Like,
what if it's like, oh no, dad, I want to
be a writer. Well, how would that know?
Speaker 2 (16:32):
Well, that happens a lot in families I think where
the parents want their kids to follow in their footsteps.
I mean, like I said, with doctors, I'm just using
one girl that's a good one. You know, it's like,
you're not going to be a doctor, what are you thinking?
And they want to do something creative for something. You know,
everyone has parents who want them to do something successful,
but also kind of sometimes following their footsteps. With this,
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the kid felt like he had to do football, but
at the same time he enjoyed it. But he did
say we do flash for later. He's now grown up.
His dad has died in apparently the war that was it.
Speaker 1 (17:05):
I feel like that was a puzzle missing from the movie,
like all of a sudden, like the dad.
Speaker 2 (17:09):
I'll talk about at the end because I have some ideas.
But his dad is dead, and it looked like there's
something on the on the shelf that says like he
died in combat or something in a war. Oh that
could be yes. So, but what happened is we do
find out that Cam was actually going to quit football,
and then soon after he told his dad his dad
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died and he felt like he had to continue to
honor his dad's mat.
Speaker 1 (17:35):
I felt like his mom throughout the film because obviously
in the film he gets hurt. Yes, which by the way,
that whole scene like he's like, okay, I guess he was.
I don't know if he was on a college or
a football field, just throwing the ball through the goldpost
like if someone can't like it looked like a mascot
came up behind him. Yes, I thought that was a dream.
I was like, who would do this to him?
Speaker 2 (17:55):
It was creepy. So basically he flash forward. He is
a rising like college star, and he is hoping to
be drafted by the same team that Isaiah, the Saviors,
because Isaiah's getting ready to retire. By the way, is
that a real team, The Saviors I do not think
is a real football team. No, no, no, they're not.
I mean I could be wrong, but I feel like
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I know most of its teams in football. I don't
think they are. So he is basically, and you know
how they have like the Big Draft, Well, they have
something called the Compilot season. No, no, it was, it
was basically it was I think it was the League
combined they called it, which I thought was the draft,
and he was going to be performing in that and
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like Right before that happens, someone in a very Tanya
Harding Nancy Kerrigan way shows up behind him in the
football field and he's in like this goat weird devilish
costume and slams them over the head.
Speaker 1 (18:49):
Which I I thought the goalpost fell on top of him,
and that was supposed to be like like just like,
so that didn't happen. I was reading way too much
into it because nothing was like spelled for me.
Speaker 2 (19:00):
I mean, the guy has a like a bat that goes.
Speaker 1 (19:03):
And the way the way they showed the goal post
like shaking, well, like, is this to imply the goalpost
fell on top of him?
Speaker 2 (19:10):
You're looking way more. Really, he threw he was he's
so good at being a quarterback that from far he
was able to throw the football. You like, I'm doing
this to him? Yes, are you getting in the football?
He threw the football and he could hit the goal post,
which is really tough to do, and he hit both
sides I could do. So it was kind of shaking
because he hit it. Then the guy came up behind him,
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but we then I thought that was going to end
him for good. Apparently a couple days later he's in
the hospital. He has staples in his skull, and he's
talking about competing in the combine anyway, and his like
agent wants him to do it anyway. But his mom
finally is like, like. The doctor talks to the mom
and says like, if you get hurt again, your brain
is well.
Speaker 1 (19:51):
She's like, I can't. The doctor was like, I can't
tell you what to do, but I'm telling you not.
Speaker 2 (19:56):
To yes, And he says no, he wants to compete
in this. And I looked at that as there is
a lot of Look, there have been lots of studies
that have come out over the years that people can
severely injure their brain and with helmets with how even
with helmets?
Speaker 1 (20:10):
Oh, can I tell a story?
Speaker 2 (20:11):
Sure?
Speaker 1 (20:12):
Okay. The story is is that you were playing football.
I was playing football. No, I wasn't playing football at all,
but I had three staples in my head right here
from what Okay, so this okay, my boyfriend at the time,
now hit you?
Speaker 2 (20:27):
He hit me?
Speaker 1 (20:28):
No, not at all. Uh. He put like this glass
shelfs next to it, and I've been down and I
cut myself on the corner of this glass shelf. So
it was like one two three, So they literally had
to go staple, staple, staple. So and then I played
kickball the same day.
Speaker 2 (20:44):
Was it when we were playing kick Yeah?
Speaker 1 (20:45):
Yeah, Oh my god, I remember I wore like a
hat to cover up my three staples. Oh yeah, one story.
Speaker 2 (20:51):
Well, yes, I mean there's something jarring about seeing someone
having staples like ten. Yeah. He but remember the doctor
has said your brain needs time to reduce the swelling.
But he is basically he still wants to compete. He
wants to get drafted, but then there's this whole like
he kind of hut out his agent and his family
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and he ends up just not competing in it, which
is probably the healthiest thing anyway, and he's just not
gonna do it well. So then his agent calls him
and says, Isaiah has decided to give you a chance
to train with him at his own personal compound for
a week and then he's gonna decide if you'll be
drafted as his replacement. So of course Cam is like,
oh my god, I'm doing this.
Speaker 1 (21:33):
When this whole thing started, and when the Cam is
that his name yea, the young guy's name's Cam. Okay.
So when he went away to like what looked like
the desert or this compound or whatever. I thought this
was starting like a dream sequence, like I thought I did.
I was like, none of this is real. It's just
because it felt very weird. Literally a football stadium inside
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of a compound.
Speaker 2 (21:57):
I don't know if they literally felt like a compound.
It looked like it was in almost like a Palm
Springs like desert. It was so deserty. But as they're
driving to Isaiah's compound, he has some fanatical fans who
think he's like the Messiah. And one of them was
played by Naomi Grossman, who played Pepper in American Story,
and she was crazy in this movie.
Speaker 1 (22:18):
She was scary too.
Speaker 2 (22:19):
She had this long blonde wig. She looked out of
her mind on him. Yeah, she's spin on because she's
she These people like love Isaiah so much that they're like, no,
we don't want anyone to replace some like And I
think that was supposed to be a metaphor for people
truly like looking at these sports stars like they are gods.
Speaker 1 (22:37):
Which is I hope I am never that person.
Speaker 2 (22:40):
That's the thing. I don't That's what I was gonna say.
There's certain people that I would get so starstruck in
front of Jamie Lee Curtis, for instance. But I also
don't look at them as you act like that. Not. No,
I don't look at any of these people as gods
because it doesn't mean they're any better than we are.
They just have been in things that we really love.
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So it is a little crazy when people start to
look at sports athletes like god.
Speaker 1 (23:05):
Would you rather meet? Oh I can't do it?
Speaker 2 (23:09):
No, no, no, okay, okay, Jamie Curtis or Kelly Clarkson.
Speaker 1 (23:12):
Yeah, who would it be?
Speaker 2 (23:14):
Do I get to How long do I get to
hang out with them?
Speaker 1 (23:16):
Twenty minutes?
Speaker 2 (23:17):
Just twenty minutes to be Oh God, that's so tough
because I feel like I would do Kelly Clarkson because
if I only got twenty minutes with Jamie Curtis, I
don't know if she'd want to talk a lot about Halloween.
If I got hours with her, she probably would, Whereas Kelly,
I know she would be for talking about anything for
twenty minutes. Jamie THEE Curtis would probably want to be
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about other stuff. So but either way, I want to
talk to both of them. But I want Jamie curs
talk to me about Halloween. She won't.
Speaker 1 (23:44):
She won't.
Speaker 2 (23:45):
That's okay. So right away when Cam meets Isaiah, you know,
he's very nice, he's very intense.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
Well, a couple of things that grounded the movie a
little bit is like just these minor little details because
I was really reading too much into this film, like dream,
Dream and dream everything meant something to me. But there
was the scene where he was walking in and there
was like Amazon packages. He's like, oh, i'll be nice,
I'll pick up the Amazon packages. And then he goes
into start to talk to Marlon Wayins Isaiah, Yeah, Isaiah,
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and so then he's like he goes, give me your phone.
Speaker 2 (24:15):
Okay, So yes, he took his phone.
Speaker 1 (24:17):
He took his phone, and he goes, you can't do this,
you can't do this, and he and then also out
of nowhere, he just goes Grinder.
Speaker 2 (24:22):
Oh well he cause he gat no. He was saying like,
you can't be on this side, you can't be on
this side. He mentioned porn sites, he mentioned only he
mentioned Grinder, just like, no matter what you're into, that's right.
But I was reading way too much and you're like,
oh my god, they're all gay.
Speaker 1 (24:37):
It was like it was like, oh my god, Cam
and Isaiah are gonna have ever do it. They're gonna
do it. I mean, who I mean there, I don't.
It was light on overtones or undertone.
Speaker 2 (24:46):
Little hole moroticism and the like athletes going like yeah, man, anyway,
a lot of weird. Oh. We also meet Isaiah's wife,
who's played by what's.
Speaker 1 (24:56):
Her name Julia Fox cut John.
Speaker 2 (24:58):
She was the girl who went viral for the way
she pronounced uncut gems in that in Everyone She's like, wow,
I mean what was the.
Speaker 1 (25:04):
Quote she goes?
Speaker 2 (25:06):
She said like, well I did that kind of work
and I'm cut JOm.
Speaker 1 (25:09):
I'm cut joms. Julia Fox. I actually like her. What's
it called the way dialogue that is stretched? What's it called.
It's called there's a name for it for dialogue that
is Julia Fox. There's a vocal fry.
Speaker 2 (25:26):
Vocal fry, Oh gosh, Like.
Speaker 1 (25:30):
Julia Fox is known for her vocal fry and her
crazy fashions. And I liked that this movie because she
was cast they really did embrace that.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
She was crazy. She looked crazy because she had she
had blonde hair, but her eyebrows were like bleached out.
And then she was always like either wearing some high
fashion thing or like going shopping or doing like I
feel like she was the stereotypical like Athletes's wife, like,
let me just use the money.
Speaker 1 (25:55):
Well I didn't. I didn't know what to gather from her.
Speaker 2 (25:57):
I thought that we were supposed to think because she
obviously is a lot more involved than we think, right.
Speaker 1 (26:01):
Right, right, She's very much involved to whatever the hell
was going on in this movie.
Speaker 2 (26:05):
So I think our favorite part of the movie was
when Marlon Wayn's made Cam do a physical right in
the middle of a football field and asked him to
drop his drawers, and he was fully new there. Of course,
you only see him from the backside, but boy, what
a great backside talks. But what's funny is after they
do the physical, Marlon Wayne says, I only wanted you
to go down to your underwear. What are you doing?
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You're making us uncomfortable And that was kind of funny
because I'm like, you literally said drop your drawers. The movie.
Speaker 1 (26:32):
I'm not saying the movie was a comedy by any means,
And I don't even think they were trying to balance it,
like it was just trying to be so messed up.
Speaker 2 (26:40):
But don't you. I mean, not that it's the point
in the movie, but don't you think Tyreek Withers is
very attractive?
Speaker 1 (26:44):
He is, He's very cute, and you know, the movie
was just a series of close ups of him trying
to figure out what was going on. So that's why
I was really really set on, like, Okay, when you've
got like twenty stitches in your head, I just think like,
he's not in reaction, like none of this movie, which
I like me that'd be the whole thing.
Speaker 2 (27:04):
He definitely was having weird dreams while he was there
in Hallucinations. First off, the first thing that first sign
that something is wrong there is they're doing some practice
drills and then Marlon Wayans decides, Okay, we're gonna do
a drill where every time Cam makes a mistake when
he's making a pass, we're gonna put a football into
this speed launching machine that launches this at at a
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guy's face full speed, and every time he mess up,
it launches hits his face and literally he's bleeding, his
teeth are knocked out, and he says, oh, anything for you, Isaiah.
It's like there's a weird cult of people that will
do anything for him and Cam. Here's here's my question.
If you or me were Cam, I.
Speaker 1 (27:44):
Stop it all right away, right, be like, hey, this
is so up, this is dumb. It's just football like
that that see never happens.
Speaker 2 (27:51):
No, he does say like what's going on? What do
you do? But then he goes along with right for
like he had like a that would have been it
with me.
Speaker 1 (27:59):
Half a second of like oh this maybe this isn't right,
but that's this scene for me was the most uncomfortable,
and I was kind of looking around like is anyone
else as uncomfortable as I am?
Speaker 2 (28:08):
It was very uncomfortable because again, torture in any means
is tough for me to watch. I know it is
for you because.
Speaker 1 (28:13):
We were watching it in a special kind of sound.
So every single time the football hit, I was like,
I'm uncomfortable.
Speaker 2 (28:19):
It really was, And okay, I will put my mind
in Cam's mindset, and I guess if there's something you
want so badly, and him to be the quarterback of
the Saviors was his biggest like dream job that maybe
you would let some things that you find are morally
wrong slide, but like so much weird shit keeps going on,
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Like then he starts to see that Isaiah's getting these
blood injections, and Isaiah says it's his own blood, but
like a highly oxygenated version of it. And then they
start giving some of the injections to Cam, like putting
his blood in him to boost him up?
Speaker 1 (28:58):
Like who was in training? Who was in training? Cam
was right, But I mean, like, why was Marlon doing all.
Speaker 2 (29:04):
This stuff just to be which is funny because he
said he may Yeah, what's he retiring for? So there's
just all sorts of weird drills that he's doing. He's
like making him run such long distances that he's throwing up.
Speaker 1 (29:16):
Oh yeah, well first time it did look like they
didn't show like a lapse of time or anything, so
it looks like he just sprint in barf. He's like,
I'm over those.
Speaker 2 (29:23):
Yeah, it was just it was a lot. And then
things take another step into the absurd when they're hanging
out in the sauna and that crazy before.
Speaker 1 (29:32):
That happens there, the two main actors have a really
good acting scene and I was like, okay, like the
rest of the movie that's going on his nuts. The
scene before the lady comes in, they're just having a
talk and it's very good dialogue between the two very
strong actors. But the rest of the movie surrounding this
scene is just non sense.
Speaker 2 (29:52):
Well it's it's it's creepy, it's putting the horror elements.
And basically, while Cam is in the sauna alone, the
crazed fan I don't know how she broke in Isaiah's
calm under she's underneath the it's like the sauna bench
or whatever, and sneaks into the sauna and gets one
of the steam rocks and I guess it's gonna slam
Cam's face like to kill him, and he wakes up
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right before and he ends up like choking her to
the point that you almost think he killed.
Speaker 1 (30:20):
Right he didn't. And also, I hate to bring it
up back to Friday thirteenth Party, Jason takes Manhattan. Jason
picked up one of those rocks and put it on
this sky stomach.
Speaker 2 (30:29):
Yeah. I actually thought that was a better scene in
Friday thirteenth than in this one. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (30:32):
Wait, well though, I mean thirteen Party Jason takes Manhatten
a lot better than the movie I thought actually would agree.
Speaker 2 (30:39):
Yeah. So, but okay, so Cam is freaked out because
not only was he almost killed He almost choked this
woman to death. Marlon Wayne comes in calmer than a
what's something calmer than a cucumber, calmer than a cucumber, like,
grabs her by the neck, looks like he's gonna go
to kiss her, and then shoves her into the back
wall to the point that her neck snaps and she
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falls dead.
Speaker 1 (31:02):
Yeah, and so okay, so this for Cam should have
been the biggest wake up call, like, oh, I just
saw the guy training me murder someone, and maybe I
should call it a day.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
Yeah, And but literally it's just like, oh, we're gonna,
we're gonna just he just moves along like it was nothing.
Speaker 1 (31:16):
Now.
Speaker 2 (31:17):
I understand that the girl was attacking him, so whatever
they did was kind of self defense. But the way
Marlon Waynes wanted about it, it was like, I have
no feelings. I am a psychopath. I'm just gonna kill
this person who's threatening me and don't care.
Speaker 1 (31:30):
Right, And then like the guy that's the doctor, I guess,
he comes in and just mops it up.
Speaker 2 (31:37):
Yeah, just like it's nothing. Oh, like we kill people here. Yeah,
it's just a weird There's a bunch of weird scenes.
There's also weird scenes where like like Cam is partying
with Isaiah's wife and then he kind of blacks out
and the next day he wakes up and Isaiah's holding
a gun to his head. Did you fuck her?
Speaker 1 (31:52):
Yeah? Just like this is crude.
Speaker 2 (31:54):
But then what's weird is like he's playing mind games.
He says, Oh, well, you shouldn't care because like anybody can,
Like he was acting like you should do whatever you want.
Speaker 1 (32:02):
Was He's setting him up to be like, hey, when
you play football, it's almost like you're playing god.
Speaker 2 (32:07):
He's acting like he is a god, and I think
he thinks he is because he's the goat. He's him,
and he's training Cam to be like are you gonna
be someone who like killer? You can kill someone without remorse,
you can sleep with that. Oh. He jokes that Cam
wants to be monogamous to his girlfriend, and he's like, uh,
that's not what like we do.
Speaker 1 (32:26):
I was waiting for his girlfriend or his mother or
his best friend to come back into the movie or
like at least at the end, like have another like nope,
like kind of like a beginning in the middle and
an end and like.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
None, no, none of no. There's a phone call he
talks to his mom on the phone, but remember phones,
because you can't have your phone at this compound. But
as we get into even more stranger, stranger things.
Speaker 1 (32:46):
Stranger finds.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
So he does go to a party that the wife
again takes him to and says, the Savior's owners are
going to be here. We're almost done with your training.
You got to put in a good word. They're gonna,
you know, to be the next quarter.
Speaker 1 (32:56):
Okay. So this lighting was like for me, it was
it just was so simple of like the devil or
it looks like it was a cult follow Yeah, it
was like bright red. So they go in and it's
like bright red and like and then so the guy
that's his doctor comes up to him and like I
would looking for anything, like a clue, like is this
the dream? Is he gonna snap out of it? Is
he still under like amnesia.
Speaker 2 (33:15):
An well or a brain injury? Yeah? Yeah, okay, So
he comes up and he goes run. He's like this
means something, Yes, he whispers run to him. Now at
the time, you're thinking, does he mean run like get
away from his compound? You find out a little bit later.
But what happens is he meets the owners and they're
all these like old white guys, and I think that
comes into play later. I'll get to that later, but
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like they're all like talking to him and he's trying
to impress them. But then, in a weird this is
when I did, like you thought, start to think like
is there dream stuff going on? He starts kind of
like I don't know if trup ben. Yeah, they're all
drinking a red substance which looks like blood, and I'm like,
is this Lost Boys?
Speaker 1 (33:53):
Yeah? It was Lost Boys? Or and then like all
of a sudden, all the girls are naked.
Speaker 2 (33:57):
And he's hallucinating, and then he sees the doctor decapitated
head and almost like these this group did a sacrifice.
And I'm thinking, either there's a cult thing going on
or he's tripping.
Speaker 1 (34:08):
Now did Julia Fox chop his head off? Who chopped
his head off?
Speaker 2 (34:11):
We don't know. We just saw his head chopped off.
But when Cam wakes up, he's like on a stretcher
and he has an iv in and more of Isaiah's
blood is being pumped into him and it's like finally
he rips it out and he really like that. Finally
he's hit the breaking point, but.
Speaker 1 (34:28):
He realizes two murders. I got to call it a day.
Speaker 2 (34:32):
Exactly. He can't move if he's paralyzed from the waist down,
and he's able to get a syringe that has written
the word run on it, and I think that's what
the doctor was like cluing him in on, like when
they incapacitate, you use the syringe with run. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (34:47):
So he took that syringe and jammed it into his
chest and I'm like, okay, what is well, first off,
what's in there? Whose blood is that?
Speaker 2 (34:53):
Whatever counteracted whatever was paralyzing him. I guess like it
was starting to get really absurd, So he is. So
he then he meets up with Isaiah and they have
a big talk where Isaiah finally admits to him that basically,
he explains that the blood of the greatest of all
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time gets passed like from one person to the next,
and that's the blood they've been using. But then out
of nowhere, he says, and we're going to have to
fight to the death to see who's going to be
the next greatest of all time. But here's what confused me.
I thought, Isaiah, Okay, if you thought was on his side,
if you just wanted to keep being the goat. Why
did you invite Cam to train or was it to
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show that you were stronger than him? Great question because
I thought he was retiring, Right, If.
Speaker 1 (35:42):
You're retiring, why can't you just let this young guy be?
Speaker 2 (35:44):
But maybe it was all facade. He because everyone thought
Cam was going to be the next great one, and
Isaiah wanted to hold on to it. And that is
a real thing in sports. A lot of people retire
a lot later than they should.
Speaker 1 (35:55):
Amos like Demi Moore trying to hold on at the
last minute to her job.
Speaker 2 (35:59):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (35:59):
Yeah, oh, it's exactly the comparative. But here's where the
substance really really succeeded because it was again, it was cohesive. Yeah,
but this was like, okay, there's a lot of symbolicness going.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
On, nightmarish dream stuff that we don't really know is
going on, but.
Speaker 1 (36:16):
It didn't go anywhere.
Speaker 2 (36:17):
Well, they end up fighting really brutally and it ends
in Cam literally bludgeoning Isaiah to death with like his trophy.
Speaker 1 (36:26):
I thought it was a helmet, Well, oh, with a helmet.
Speaker 2 (36:28):
You're right, You're right. I think he grabbed a trophy.
Speaker 1 (36:30):
I think the trophy was the first blow and then
the second blow.
Speaker 2 (36:36):
Get your budget.
Speaker 1 (36:38):
But we also like, how was he able to do anything?
Because just two seconds before that, right like, he showed
that he broke his arm and I.
Speaker 2 (36:46):
Was like, yes, this fight, Isaiah breaks Cam's arm in
such a way that he can It.
Speaker 1 (36:53):
Almost looked like it could be torn off.
Speaker 2 (36:56):
Apparently it wasn't his dominant hand, and he was able
to use his one hand. Can you throw the pan
to death? Well, okay, so in our big climactic ending,
because that wasn't the ending. Cam walks out of this
thinking he's eggiting the compound and there's like a big
ceremony where all of the owners of the Saviors are there,
all these cheerleaders.
Speaker 1 (37:15):
Well this, yes, this is more dream like stuff, but.
Speaker 2 (37:18):
I think this really happened.
Speaker 1 (37:20):
Oh yeah, I mean I'm sure it did happen, I
you know, but it looked dreamy. Yeah, all of the
all the men were wearing pig masks. Julia Fox was
like bright white and she had like a signature book,
a signature book, yes, like contract. And then all the
cheerleaders their faces were what were their face their faces.
Speaker 2 (37:36):
They looked like they had masks on.
Speaker 1 (37:38):
Yeah, but they weren't the kind of mask like they
looked like a way to like when you fuzz out
someone's faces. It looked like like like panty.
Speaker 2 (37:45):
Yeah. Yeah, it was creepy. It was really fucking creepy.
And remember Cam has blood all over him. He's just
bludgeoned is Saya to death. And they basically announced you
are going to be the next greatest of all time,
but you need to sign this blood to oath, literally
signing your soul to the devil. I mean, could the
metaphor couldn't have been moving here signing your life in
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the old life away, signing your soul to the devil.
And Cam, in a you know, a heroic mode, decides
or move decides not to sign and instead he's gonna
murder everyone in this ceremony. And he starts attacking the
different people with like a sword. He throws a sword
at Julia Fox.
Speaker 1 (38:26):
Well, she stands up. This is a pretty funny scene.
She stands up and she has a knife. She's running
with a knife and then she trips and just stops
herself on the back. Yes, so she steps herself in
the neck and I was like, I mean, I was laughing,
but only because it was like.
Speaker 2 (38:40):
So ludicrous, but I mean it was so ludicrous. Now,
one thing I will say is that the ending of
the Substance was pretty damn ludicrous too. Well.
Speaker 1 (38:47):
The Substance, and then we also saw the Pete Davidson
The Home, The Home, and this movie kind of falls
in the same kind of genre, which is a weird
genre that we are.
Speaker 2 (38:55):
In insanity if someone just just he owes out in
a massacre at a total masker. At the end, he's
killing left and right. He decapitates the owner of the Saviors,
which was one of these old white guys. And one
thing I read about this movie, which I was going
to bring up, is that, like I and this is
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something that I'm not I'm speaking toward. What I read
is like that some apparently, I think some black football
players feel like they're at the mercy of the people
who own the teams, who are usually these old white
people who have tons of money and can just use
them as their tools. That sounds very real to me.
So I feel like they purposely made all the owners
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of the team and of this coole old white guys
that are basically using these football players as their pawns
and their game and things like that. So there's so
many different things you can get from this movie. But
he ends up murdering the owner, decapitating him.
Speaker 1 (39:50):
But he stops that.
Speaker 2 (39:52):
He doesn't kill his agent because I guess he feels
a little bit of connection doing them.
Speaker 1 (39:57):
That's a good question, because all of a sudden, the
agent is moving, his body is moving by itself into
like a right, So I was like, okay, like is
he gonna get it the worst?
Speaker 2 (40:07):
So he does because and this is when if for
this whole movie, if you're wondering, is there more play
here supernaturally than just crazed people. Yes, because at the
end they show his agent being dragged across the ground
into a pentagram, and then in the background he just
explodes into pieces.
Speaker 1 (40:25):
I totally graud about.
Speaker 2 (40:26):
Oh yeah, he explodes in the pieces. And again for me,
this was like it's almost like a little too little,
too late, Like if there were demonic supernatural things happening
the whole time, I would have wanted to see more
of them throughout, not just at the end, Like.
Speaker 1 (40:39):
We we didn't get to know these characters, and they
weren't like throughout the whole movie, like sign on this contract.
Speaker 2 (40:44):
And I was like, it felt a little Rosemary's babyish
at the end with Marry. So the very last scene
that we get is that like Cam is just walking
away from this compound.
Speaker 1 (40:54):
Shirtless and bloody, you know, me a coke.
Speaker 2 (40:58):
And that's the end. We don't get to see what happened. Now,
That's what I mean.
Speaker 1 (41:01):
I was waiting for, like, oh, does he get to
see his mom again, his girlfriend and that guy that
he's so meanly pushed at the beginning at that part.
Speaker 2 (41:07):
I think that was his brother. I think that was
his brother. He I'm assuming he goes back and he
has nothing to do with football. Oh, we forgot one
big thing. When he the coal is telling him to
sign the contract, they reveal that he was chosen and
groomed for this world from a kid, and they had
been in talks with his dad.
Speaker 1 (41:25):
So there's a flashback photo of like he's like, oh,
I got my picture taken with my dad and this guy,
and I'm just about to chop off his head at
a goalpost.
Speaker 2 (41:33):
Yeah, Like the owners of Idiots, the owners of the
Saviors basically knew his dad and he was picked and
groomed for this and they even insinuate that the dad's
death may not have been an accident in Aka, they
may have killed his dad to get him to continue football,
because remember he was about to quit and then his dad.
Speaker 1 (41:51):
His dad was gonna go up to his son and
be like, hey, if you don't want to play football,
that's a.
Speaker 2 (41:55):
But I mean so, so this this coal had been
grooming him to be the next goat, and the next
goat actually.
Speaker 1 (42:03):
That would have been I was you read were the
one that told me that that originally was gonna be
the title the goat.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
Yes, I read that goat goat was supposed to be
the title before him, which, yeah, it does seem like
that would make more sense, Sam, I'm not sure, yeah,
but so And I think that speaks to a lot
of times when you think about professional athletes like Olympians,
figure skaters, any type of athlete, they always start training
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at such a young age and their childhood is just
like it's engrossed with just this sport, and in a
way they're being groomed to be Olympians or professional athletes
like you're kind of on this path, you have to
do it. So I feel like this was a supernaturally
exaggeration of that.
Speaker 1 (42:49):
I agree, And it also could have been like done
in the world of like a pushy parent into acting,
you know, like what they what do they call stage
mom stage moms? The movie could have been called stage
I'm making him a prequel called stage Man.
Speaker 2 (43:02):
Oh you know what I was gonna say, of what
I think happened at the end, I think the cam left.
I would hope to God he left football for good,
because yes, you could say, oh, it was just this team,
but I think he had his fill of this. Now,
how is he going to explain what happened at the compound?
No idea?
Speaker 1 (43:18):
Yeah, he's I killed everybody?
Speaker 2 (43:21):
Yeah, I killed everybody. Why they wanted to offer you
a contract?
Speaker 1 (43:25):
What's the problem here?
Speaker 2 (43:26):
Were they attacking you? Well, no, but they were wearing
goat masks?
Speaker 1 (43:31):
Were they pig masks?
Speaker 2 (43:32):
I guess, oh yeah they were probably. Oh and one
other thing they admit. They admit that they caused that
they hired someone to slam him and give him the accident.
Before that, the Combine draft thing, because they wanted to
get him to train at the compound. Separately, I still
think that was the dream they were just well then,
but how did he have the scar? And that's a
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dream where.
Speaker 1 (44:00):
Post fell on him.
Speaker 2 (44:01):
I love that so many things. But there's a reason
you didn't get what was correctly going on, because a
lot of shit was going on, very fast, very fragmented,
and it didn't feel like a cohesive story. But you're right,
the visuals were pretty astounded, right.
Speaker 1 (44:18):
I mean, the movie was stylish. I thought the two
main guys were great actors. I Julia Fox was a
fun addition, so okay, but I mean as yeah, I
liked her. I like her anything possible. But she is
a unique actress, Like she's not boring, She's never boring.
And I did, I couldn't take my eyes off of her.
(44:40):
But overall I thought I couldn't make heads or tails
of it. I was just kind of like, this movie's
annoying me because it's just a good looking guy getting
beat up.
Speaker 2 (44:49):
It's almost like, Okay, the writers, it's like, okay, we
know what. We have a point we want to make
about the football industry, or a bunch of points.
Speaker 1 (44:57):
Like do you think it's going to change football?
Speaker 2 (44:59):
For of course, but we also want to add horror elements.
But we also want to basin a reality, and we
also want to make it true to life of like
one athlete, and we want to have combined the horror
elements with the training, with the metaphor with this, and
it just it showed that it was all kind of combination.
Speaker 1 (45:16):
I mean, they say that movies are made in the
editing room, but how many editors we're working on it.
Speaker 2 (45:21):
I don't know. Unless there was a lot more story
in this than they, I don't know what would have
made this a little bit clearer. I just think that
it's like there was a lot of different types of
movies in one and yeah, didn't stay in one lane,
which some people find good. And look the absurdity in
the insanity this movie that may alone appeal to some people,
(45:43):
and I understand that. I totally, like, I'm curious.
Speaker 1 (45:45):
In like fifty years, people are like, oh my gosh,
we're studying him.
Speaker 2 (45:49):
You know, it is the kind of movie that, let's say,
in fifty years, Football's band. I don't know, I'm just
making it.
Speaker 1 (45:55):
Because you know what I mean. Like, it actually made
me think the whole time I was watching the movie,
I was like, oh my gosh, these little helmets are
protecting people's brains, Like and people pay a ridiculous amount
of money, them getting really deep. They get, they get
they pay a ridiculous amount of money to watch these
guys basically.
Speaker 2 (46:11):
Slam into each other.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Yeah I like it.
Speaker 2 (46:14):
No, I I know I agree because and again it's
been there's a reason why all these studies have shown
that football results in some of the most I think
long term injuries. Now, every sport has his injuries, of course. Yeah,
that's fourth square, And I don't want to say that
against sports because look, that's a risk you take. Even
walking outside, you could trip, you could fall, you could
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hurt yourself. But football, you were literally slamming into people,
blocking them, throwing them down, pushing them to the ground,
and you're only wearing a helmet and your head is
getting bashed over and over.
Speaker 1 (46:47):
And you know, when I was a kid, when I
used to just be in the room where football was on,
you know, they weren't grass fields. They were sometimes just
like fake fields, like fake grass, turfy surf. Okay that's
what I get.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
There's a word for that.
Speaker 1 (47:01):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So the turf and like their elbows
were exposed and like their elbows were all bloody.
Speaker 2 (47:06):
Yeah. I was just like, why, why I've got to
say football and boxing, for me are the two sports
that I am like, why would you subject yourself to?
I know that hockey can be pretty violent too, but
that's usually when the people get in fights with each other,
not just the sport.
Speaker 1 (47:22):
I mean, like if you get hit with the puck
in the face.
Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, ouch. But I mean what makes hockey brutals the
fights because they have tempers. Football like when you're a
tight end like your position, ye no, But when you're
like any sort of defensive person or any of the
people that are either tackling or holding people back, you're
constantly being thrown around all the time.
Speaker 1 (47:43):
I mean, like the injury list must be huge.
Speaker 2 (47:46):
Oh it is huge, and I got to hurt my fingers,
just your fingers, But I think it's like the brain
injuries alone. But so anyway, there were a lot of
points that I think were like mildly made in this movie,
and I think maybe I don't know, it just was
a little bit of a mess.
Speaker 1 (48:02):
I do have a new respect for Tom Brady because
that's the only football player I couldn't know.
Speaker 2 (48:07):
I look focusing on the positive, I think Marlon Wayns
impressed me in terms of his dramatic acting because I
only remember him from like scary movie.
Speaker 1 (48:16):
You know what is interesting and White Chicks is that
remember the two thousand movie. I want to say it's
two thousand recoriem of his dream. Was he in that?
Speaker 2 (48:25):
Marlon Wayns?
Speaker 1 (48:27):
Yeah, didn't he do drugs?
Speaker 2 (48:29):
Actually he may have been in that.
Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah. Like with the with the each time they like
did the drugs, there was like oh yeah, and then
and then this movie kind of took that idea a
little bit and took it a little further. But with
blood with blood in sports.
Speaker 2 (48:43):
Yeah, I think that. Like I said, both performances. I
was impressed with Tyreek Withers because especially because I was
not impressed with him and I know what you did
last summer, so this his performance impressed me. I was
impressed with how often they had him shirtless. I also
just thought like, yes, there was a ton of like yelling,
locker room talk, sports stuff, everything like that. Very but
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it was very in a scary way. And then all
of the nightmarish culty scenes were again they were visually appealing,
but from a story perspective, it was just kind of convolation.
Speaker 1 (49:17):
I probably said this on every podcast, but who's this
movie made for, like guys that like football, because wouldn't
they not like football?
Speaker 2 (49:25):
But I don't know, because I think it was just
made for people who will horror people like the same
people that watch OC Housewives exactly. Tim Murdoch, No, I don't.
I don't really know, because again, it doesn't have to
be so on the nose of it's a sports movie,
it's for sports people, because I don't know if I
really considered it as a sports movie. It's a horror, horror,
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horrific look at sports, a horrific look. I don't know
why I say horrrific, horrific look at sports. And I
don't know if sports people want to look at sports.
Speaker 1 (49:56):
Like right, Like I mean, like, is this gonna bum out?
Speaker 2 (49:58):
Like your dad loves football? You really think he wants
to see him and see such a dark take.
Speaker 1 (50:04):
I don't think my dad would like it exactly.
Speaker 2 (50:05):
So I don't know if the sports audience that lives
and dies by football wants to see a film like this.
I think this is people for people who like, aren't
the biggest fans of football, but are fans of crazy insanity.
Speaker 1 (50:20):
I think this movie is made for insane people.
Speaker 2 (50:22):
Well, were fans of insane horror and nightmarish culty. Shit. Again,
it did have feelings of Rosemary's Baby, and I think
it had potential, like it could have been a good movie.
Speaker 1 (50:35):
I totally agree, like if it just made just a
pinch more sense. It just was like just a little
less on the like the dreamy whole look of it. Yes,
I would be like, Okay, this makes it. But once
you go out into the desert and everything's re read
you last.
Speaker 2 (50:51):
Once you have Naomi Grossman in a blonde wig.
Speaker 1 (50:54):
Trying to attack people because that's our favorite team.
Speaker 2 (50:56):
And bidding on them.
Speaker 1 (50:57):
Yeah gross Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2 (50:59):
No. There was a lot of craziness, but I think
the costumes must have been really fun because they're all
dressed like those weird you said, pig mask, goat, goat,
pig everything right, it was. It was very odd. But anyway,
so I mean, should you rush out to see him
in the theaters if you, if you've listened to this
episode this far and this appeals to you, then you
probably should.
Speaker 1 (51:18):
Right when the movie ended, I think you and I
sat there like we were just kind of like taking
a breath, just like.
Speaker 2 (51:24):
I remember what I said. I turned to Tim and
I said, what the fuck was that?
Speaker 1 (51:27):
Yeah? It was like, I mean, I guess bravo for
making a movie make me think.
Speaker 2 (51:32):
Well, let me give you a flip side reaction of
when a movie ended. When we saw The Home with
Pete Davidson, which we went into with zero expectations. I
turned to Tim and I said, you know, I think
I may have liked that movie because I was so shocked.
We didn't say that, oh, we didn't say oh about him? No, no,
I said what I literally said, what the fuck are?
Speaker 1 (51:51):
And then I think a lot of people were just
sitting there, not getting up to move. They were just
kind of like, okay, am, I just got there for
two hours, and I don't know what I like?
Speaker 2 (52:00):
What did I see? The thing is it got panned
by critics, like critics hated it. I haven't checked out
the audience score, but like, I don't think it is.
I don't know if people are gonna love this movie.
Speaker 1 (52:14):
Sometimes when a movie's so insane, people would like, like
if you just told me everything that we just talked about, like, oh,
this sounds insane, I can't wait to see it.
Speaker 2 (52:22):
Well, then that's what like if for anybody who's listened
or watched this episode to this point and didn't see him.
Maybe we intrigued you, and great, you know, like I
mean you should see it. Just know what you're getting into.
You know what kind of movie? Yeah, know what kind
of movie you're getting into. And and for people who
just want to see it. For Tyreek Withers, go ahead.
There's a lot of.
Speaker 1 (52:40):
Him in it, yes, Like there's so much like close
up on his eyes.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
The movie, like he was literally shirtless in every scene,
Like it almost was exploitative if it wasn't that the
whole movie was about him training and working out.
Speaker 1 (52:53):
Right, I mean, you know it's so weird, like the
movie says like day one, day two, day three, day four.
I didn't realize I thought that said. I thought, don't okay,
I thought that was week, but it was just a day, right,
a day? Okay, I thought it was.
Speaker 2 (53:08):
There a week. Week two is doing six weeks? Train? No? No, no,
it was one week. Yeah, it was. It was a
quick train. Want to know what kind of blood transfusion
do we need to get to be the Goat?
Speaker 1 (53:19):
I just I already know I'm him.
Speaker 2 (53:23):
I want to be Tim. We're gonna let's get some
blood in us and be really good at football. Can
you imagine.
Speaker 1 (53:29):
Nothing would disinterest me more?
Speaker 2 (53:31):
And there you have it at everybody anyway. That is
our review of him, and I don't know why we
always keep anything like that. I say because of Rhinzo
tam him from Tim and Matt. Thank you for watching
everyone by football. Yeah sort.
Speaker 1 (53:56):
Thanks for listening to another episode of Happy Horror Time.
Speaker 2 (53:59):
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