Ep 283: Keeper? I Hardly Know Her!

Osgood Perkins is back with a new folk horror tale that takes a dark look at relationships, sacrifice, and drooling creatures. Tune in to hear us break down “Keeper” — from Tatiana Maslany’s effective performance, to whether the film’s explanation/reveal worked, and of course, all that chocolate cake.

Visit https://apostrophebooks.bigcartel.com/ to grab a copy of “Ripped to Shreds” (the graphic novel we mention at the beginning of this episode).

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Welcome to Happy Horrid Time. My name's Tim Murdoch.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmert. And even though it
is the well this episode comes out late November, this
is the first episode that Tim and I have done
a review just us since Halloween. So there's so much
to talk about. Tim, what happened? Did your Halloween party?
Tell me everything? Oh? Well, you were there. Well, you
know what's funny is that we had our Black Phone

(00:34):
two review that came out right after the party, but
we recorded that before the party, so we didn't get
to tell anybody about our Halloween party or anything. So
Jacob and I had our annual Halloween party on October
twenty fifth. It was a blast. Him was there dressed as.

Speaker 1 (00:50):
Tell Angela from Night to the Demons nineteen eighty eight, and.

Speaker 2 (00:53):
It was a spectacular costume. Really it was gray and
Tim's nails were black for probably the next three weeks.

Speaker 1 (01:00):
Yeah, they're finally back to normal. But it was a
fun week and people approached me and talked about my nails.

Speaker 2 (01:05):
Yeah, yeah, And Jacob and I were drinking, drink, drinking, drinking.
We weren't drinking. I think maybe I've been drinking now
Jacob and I were dressed as Victorian ghosts, so we
were in all white with like white hair and everything,
and we had like eighty to one hundred people there.
My family was their friends. But the biggest piece of news,
which I'm so excited to announce, is that at the party,

(01:27):
I proposed to Jacob and now we're engaged.

Speaker 1 (01:30):
Congratulations to you and Jacob. I'm so happy for my
dear friend.

Speaker 2 (01:34):
Thank you, Tim. Tim was there at a front row
seat too.

Speaker 1 (01:37):
I am well, truth be told, I was in the
back getting I was a little drunk, eating pringles, and
then I realized that it sounds like serious, like a
rock concert was happening.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
Because people were like cheering us. What happened was I
had just said I wanted to make a speech to
everyone and thank people for coming. You know, my parents
are there traveling from New York, I had friends traveling
from out of town because this is the biggest thing
we do every year, so I want to just thank
you everyone. And then I kind of turned to Jacob
and started thanking him for supporting me, and then turned
it into a proposal. And when people realized it, they

(02:07):
started like making noise and sharing and it was just
a really wonderful moment.

Speaker 1 (02:10):
It was a bold and beautiful moment.

Speaker 2 (02:12):
And we Yeah, so it's something I'm gonna remember forever.
And so now we're engaged, two members of the Happy
Hard Time family. I know now I feel pressure to
get married. You know, I used a funny thing. I
don't feel that way, Okay, because I used to. Anytime
a friend of mine got engage, I would always it
makes you like reflect on your life, but like it
really shouldn't. Everyone goes according to their own path. Everyone's

(02:36):
life is on a different timeline. And so I wish
I could go back and tell myself, like ten years ago,
like don't get so weirded out with and be like
thinking of what needs to happen in your life. Everyone
has their own timeline.

Speaker 1 (02:49):
Right, And you know, I feel that you're gonna find
your special No, no, that's for mezing like I I
you know, sometimes I think when huge life changes, but
I don't think it's a huge life change because you.

Speaker 2 (03:03):
Guys, I mean it is, but it isn't.

Speaker 1 (03:04):
Because you've lived together and you've known each other for
seven years.

Speaker 2 (03:07):
We've been together seven years, we've lived together for five years.
So really the only thing that changes is we'll get
married and have a wedding, and then you wear jewelry
and then then wear rings and be fully committed I
mean on paper and committed like crazy, like it will
be committed to an asylum, will be like in the
eyes of the law. Right. But yeah, I mean it's

(03:30):
not like it's not like olden times when like you
lost your virginity on your wedding.

Speaker 1 (03:35):
Man was your Was your marriage set up by your parents?

Speaker 2 (03:38):
Oh? Yes, they picked Jacob out. They were like, hey,
they're like, because if we're gonna be traditional, we're gonna
go gay.

Speaker 1 (03:44):
No, that's true, but what's it called when two people
are arranged arrange?

Speaker 2 (03:49):
It was your marriage. It was arranged. Yes, that's why
my parents were like, if we're gonna arrange this, we're
not gonna pick a girl, we're gonna go We're gonna
go Craig Kray and pick a guy. It's very progressive
coke bingo. Anyway, So it was crazy. Uh, it was fun.
All of our friends were there. It was a wonderful time.
And so that was Halloween, actual Halloween. Though all we

(04:10):
did was give out candy.

Speaker 1 (04:11):
Oh so did I I just as a Twizzler.

Speaker 2 (04:15):
From Angela in what if every year from now on
you had to dress up as a famous Angela from
Horror Next year Sleepway.

Speaker 1 (04:22):
I would love to be I would love to be
Felissa Rose from Sleepoo.

Speaker 2 (04:25):
I'd rather you be her when she has a penis
at the end in his naked well, she.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
Has a penis through all the time.

Speaker 2 (04:33):
No, it just comes on, right. We totally just spoiled
the Yeah. So if you haven't seen sleep okay, if
it's come on, it's push to say. If you're watching
Happy Hard Time, you've seen sleep Away Camp. And if
you haven't, pause, pause this episode, turn on shutter or
something and watch it because it is worth it. I
love them me too.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I love it and especially that ending song.

Speaker 2 (04:53):
It's beautiful, oh at the angel Yeah, but we can't
sing it. Yes, so wait, I got off track. I
was talking about oh, actual Halloween, and then it just
so much has happened last few weeks. Then it was
my birthday, but that was very low key, like Jacob
and I went out to dinner.

Speaker 1 (05:08):
And then you have an engagement and a Halloween party.
You can't and that's the thing.

Speaker 2 (05:12):
We were exhausted. I was also hosting my parents for
a week. My sister, brother in law, and nephew were
in town between friends in town, the party, everything, I
was exhausted. And so when it hit my birthday, Jacob
and I went out to dinner and then he got
me a nice little cake and Tim came over had
some cake. I hate that cake and this shirt. You
see this Children of the Corn shirt, and I love

(05:34):
you know, I love this shirt the most other than
it's a cool graphics. I love the color because I
have no lime green shirts. Lime lime lame, you got me, no,
But when don't you get or like mint.

Speaker 1 (05:49):
Mint chocolate, chip mint and ice cream your shirt?

Speaker 2 (05:52):
The extors dead Reagan's eyes, not Betty Davis eyes. Wish
you wish? So yeah, so a lot. But like also
most recent thing, Tim got to do something fun last night.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
Tell everybody, yes, last night I got to go to
the I guess opening night at Paranormal Activity. And I
said to Matta, I was like, I hope I get
to see Kether Kether.

Speaker 2 (06:15):
Heather Graham. Heather Graham, by the way, real quick, it's
a live theater performance of Paranormal Activity, not the movie
they've adapted into a play. In Los Angeles right now.

Speaker 1 (06:26):
Yes, it's very good. I highly recommend it. So I
think it only plays till like mid September, mid December,
but you definitely go see it. But it's not exactly
like the movie. It's not like found footage. It's a
it's a couple that goes from Chicago to London and
you know, chaos ensues.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
It would be really tough to do a found footage
on stage right, the camera have.

Speaker 1 (06:47):
To like, I was so curious, but it was very
I jumped a good six times and people screamed in
the theater. So it's great.

Speaker 2 (06:54):
Script where they're like like real full on screams, like yeah, yes, yes, yes,
did you hear any men scream?

Speaker 1 (06:59):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (07:00):
Well there was one part.

Speaker 1 (07:01):
Oh there was a man that did like a really
funny like sneeze cough right in the middle. And in
the end of the play, the guy's doing a very
serious monologue and guess what.

Speaker 2 (07:10):
What, someone's phone went off.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
No, yes, but going back, it was Katie Featherstone, right
Featherston Featherston, Yes, the original female lead of Paranormal Activity. Yes,
so I was like, oh, what if I get to
see her? No joke, right before I went into the theater.
She was standing right there and she said Tim, and
I said kay, and I said, let's get a quick
picture because, like you know, the play's about to start.

Speaker 2 (07:32):
So I got a.

Speaker 1 (07:32):
Quick picture, and then she sat down right next to me,
and she was sitting next to Micah her coast Mica,
I never say it right, and they say it in
that movie like a thousand times. She's a lots yelling
at but.

Speaker 2 (07:44):
So that was very exciting.

Speaker 1 (07:45):
And then intermission she called Jason Blum. So that's that's
his name, right, Jason Blum. Yeah, yeah, Blumhouse Fame. So
that was kind of fun. They all got a picture
during intermission. So I just was watching all this unfold.

Speaker 2 (07:56):
I told Tim, I was so jealous because, first off,
what's really awesome is is, if you haven't checked out
our interviews with them, we were lucky enough to interview
both Katie and Mika from a Paranormal Activity a number
of years ago. They both are amazing, and Katie especially
kind of we've sort of stayed in touch just online
with commenting here and there. But I was so impressed

(08:16):
because the fact that she recognized him and remembered that
we're from like happy horror time means so much that
she remembers us because.

Speaker 1 (08:24):
She only technically met us two years ago on Zoom.

Speaker 2 (08:27):
I think like three years actually yeah yeah, oh my god.
And but I don't think Mika would remember. You never know.

Speaker 1 (08:35):
I mean I didn't get a chance to get over
to him, but you know, it was just it was
very crowded and this was kind of their night, even
though they weren't on stage. It's like they represent the
original Yeahiativity.

Speaker 2 (08:45):
Laurie Strode of the Paranormal Activity. Yeah, they're the Missus
Vorhees of the Paranormal Activity. Yeah, but they really are
because there's that movie literally just stars two people, and
that the original movie is what set the whole president
for the entire frameanchise, so like they they started that.
So it's really cool and I am totally jealous. I
kind of want to see this show.

Speaker 1 (09:06):
I was a plus one, so thank you to my
friend Stephen who took me, so thank you. Thank you.

Speaker 2 (09:10):
Yes I am if anybody wants to make me plus.

Speaker 1 (09:15):
If you want to go again, I will padly go.

Speaker 2 (09:17):
Oh yeah. But the thing is I got to see
because tickets are kind of pricey, but I actually do
want to go because it sounds really good. If you
liked it, I trust it.

Speaker 1 (09:27):
Trust me. I was I should I don't even if
I should say this out loud, but I was prepared
to think it was gonna suck.

Speaker 2 (09:32):
But it was super good. It was really good. That's
that's the risk you take whenever there's an adaptation of
anything from like a film to a play or musical,
because you're like, is it gonna work in this medium?

Speaker 1 (09:47):
Goes to Broadway, you think they can make a music.
I mean if they did not a musical, but I
mean just a regular.

Speaker 2 (09:52):
Ghosts ghost ghost ghosts.

Speaker 1 (09:54):
But I mean, I mean, if they can make Beetlejuice
into you know, Broadway.

Speaker 2 (09:58):
But the thing is Beetlejuice. This has a lot more
of a fun quirk in your tone. Paranormal activity is
straight scary, so making a musical would be ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (10:07):
It is like it is almost it's like waiting for
the scare and you know it's coming. So that is
what it's depended on, So you have to be in
that mindset.

Speaker 2 (10:16):
One question, did they have a lot of like special
effects like did lights change and strokes? There was a
little bit of that, but they didn't.

Speaker 1 (10:22):
It was really honestly based on the people's performance and
like what they were saying to you could like, uh
send shivers down your spine.

Speaker 2 (10:31):
And were there any like things that you remember they
specifically took from the movie or was it very different?

Speaker 1 (10:37):
Very different? But they did have the couple aspect, and
like didn't like he kept thinking, like Katie's kind of
getting possessed, right if I remember the movie correctly.

Speaker 2 (10:45):
Yeah, And they had that aspect and then she does
get right. So I mean, I don't I don't want to.

Speaker 1 (10:50):
I don't want to tell anyone anything because it's that good.

Speaker 2 (10:53):
Oh well, if you're in the Los Angeles area. I'm
not sure if it had if it's anywhere else right now,
but I have a feeling it does well it will be.

Speaker 1 (11:01):
I mean, fingers crossed. I hope it goes to the
big city.

Speaker 2 (11:04):
Yeah, I mean, I mean New York, and maybe it'll
go international. Toronto, definitely, that's they've got their sight set
on Toronto. They're like, we could only get in Toronto. Well,
isn't Toronto a big place for a place. It's a
it's a big city and in Canada. But it's like
I feel like when you think about international theater, I'm
thinking London, maybe Paris, maybe somewhere in Italy. You have bragger, Well, yes,

(11:31):
when I was a lot younger and traveled a lot more,
but now I'm just old and engaged. That's it.

Speaker 1 (11:36):
Well, it's a good place to be.

Speaker 2 (11:38):
Well, thank you. Anyway, we also want to take a
moment to plug we Well, this individual, his name is
Scott Alan Gregory, was nice enough to send us copies
of this new graphic novel. It's called Ripped to Shreds
and if you notice on the cover you'll see the

(11:58):
likenesses of Russell Todd and Lauren Marie Taylor from Friday
to Thirteenth, Part two. Well, let me just tell you
a little bit about this. He gave us some info
and I wanted to plug this. We just got this,
so we can't wait to read this. It looks awesome
and it's a graphic novel, and as you know, in
a graphic novel, you know, it's kind of like a
comic strip, but in a long form story thing. So

(12:20):
if you're a fan of graphic novels, especially horror ones,
I'm just giving you a sneak.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
Pan and it's the people that did the best series
in the world, Friday that They're.

Speaker 2 (12:28):
Too exactly So. Scott Allen Gregory is the adaptation director
of Rip to Shreds and it's a period authentic graphic
novel adaptation of Michael Johnson's lost slasher screenplay from nineteen eighty.
So apparently there was a screenplay written in nineteen eighty
I guess it didn't go anywhere, and forty five years
later the script was found and turned into this graphic novel.

(12:50):
So basically, since it was supposed to come out in
the eighties, it's like fans of the eighties horror in
some way they can see like what might have happened
in this screenplay which was supposed to be a film.
So it's designed to mimic the feeling of watching an
eighties slasher film, which we absolutely love, especially Friday the
thirteenth related and it's stars, I mean, obviously not the

(13:11):
real people, but the eighties likenesses of Russell Todd and
Lauren Marine Taylor from Friday to thirty Part two. And
I'll just give you a tiny synopsis of the story
that we were given because this sounds really fun and
exactly like a movie we would be turning on today.
Is there a curse on Shadow Hills? The legend is
the stuff of campfire tales, the maniac with the metal claw,
the three drunk girls who give them a ride, the

(13:33):
fiery crash, and the lone survivor institutionalized for life. But
could there be any truth to the decades old story.
That's what teenager Maddie and her boyfriend Richard and her
cousin Sharon aim to discover as they investigate the supposedly
haunted hills and the legends surrounding them after one of
their friends is killed under mysterious circumstances. I mean that

(13:53):
sounds like every movie we love.

Speaker 1 (13:55):
I love it like it totally sounds beautiful.

Speaker 2 (13:58):
It's a beautiful book. And at the end of the
book there are interviews with Russell Todd, Lauren Marine Taylor
that were contributed by R. G. Henning. Now, if you're
not familiar with that name, he wrote the Sackhead Book,
which was all about Friday the Thirteenth, Part two, so
he contributed interviews, and there's also an interview with the
original Lost screenplay writer Michael Johnson, so you can hear

(14:20):
about that anyway, we'll provide a link in the episode
description for this episode as to where you can grab
your copy of Ripped to Shreds, a new horror graphic
novel which we cannot wait to write.

Speaker 1 (14:33):
I thought you're describing my body.

Speaker 2 (14:35):
Ripped to shred.

Speaker 1 (14:36):
No, that would be shredded shred. My body's shreddit.

Speaker 2 (14:40):
That would be old, flimsy and saggy. No, I'm Wowim
has a great body.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
You're gonna get it.

Speaker 2 (14:47):
Bet you're gonna got a betch. Tim is very in shape.
I mean everybody can see that from themselves. Tim. Okay.
So there's a lot that we've gone through. So now
it is time to jump into the movie we are
talking about today, Osgoode Perkins.

Speaker 1 (15:02):
Keeper.

Speaker 2 (15:03):
Wait, Tim, Keeper, I barely know her. Joke, no tell me. Okay,
So if you say the word liquor, because it sounds
like you're saying lick her, you say liquor. I barely
know her. So what I did was I did Keeper?
I know? Okay, So let me just tell you. We've
been hearing a lot about this movie for a while,

(15:24):
but they've kept the plot really under wraps. Like if
you remember when we've seen the trailers, totally wait, we stayed, oh,
was the Monkey.

Speaker 1 (15:32):
After the end of the Monkey, I think that was
in February, they showed a trailer of Keeper, and I
couldn't make heads or tails of that.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
Yes, And also months ago they released footage of Tachiana
Maslani with her head down like scribbling, and it's just
over and over and over. So obviously I got I
get the strategy behind it. They wanted it to become
off as very weird and creepy, and they didn't want
to really go into what the plot is about. And
now after seeing the movie, I kind of know why.

Speaker 1 (15:58):
I don't know why they had to keep any under wraps.
I don't I don't think they reinvented the wheel. Yeah,
let me just say this.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
I think I would have preferred if it was as
vague as the trailers, because when we get into what
this movie really is about, it's quite far fetched. It's
supernatural to the nth degree. And what I mean by
that is, like we often talk about how sometimes it's
hard to get scared by supernatural movies if you're not

(16:26):
like a full on believer. But if there's only one
supernatural element like a ghost or a demon or a possession,
you can kind of stand behind it. Well, if the
supernatural entity is a ton of creatures that eat women
so that men can stay alive forever, you just give
it away. It starts to feel like like, I don't know,

(16:46):
an episode of some fantasy thing. You know.

Speaker 1 (16:50):
Yeah, no, I agree one hundred percent, and like it
took a while to get to that big reveal, but
the first twist that came was just that the couple
that go out into the is that he's married.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
No he's not. He's not married. No, no, no, she
he was, but it's like a long time ago. I
see none of that. I thought that he was married. See,
but this is what happens when of the movies we
didn't discuss this. Yes, okay, so we haven't discussed this,
so we'll just jump into it. Because there's only two
real stars in this movie. It's Tachianna Maslani who plays Liz,
and Rossif Sutherland who plays Malcolm. And they are a

(17:26):
couple there. I guess they've been together like a year
and they are celebrating their anniversary. They're going out into
the wilderness.

Speaker 1 (17:32):
Everyone is surprised that she's in a relationship because I
guess her relationship history is not not usually doesn't last
longer than a year, And I thought this whole aspect
being a single person was much more interesting than the
cabin impossible like ghosts being there.

Speaker 2 (17:49):
Yeah, let me just tell you that the conversations between
Liz and her friend Maggie were really funny.

Speaker 1 (17:54):
I thought they were funny, and I would rather have
seen those two ladies relationship as friends than what we
were getting.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
Yeah. So, I mean, this friend Maggie is very protective
of her, and she's like, she just I guess she
thinks it's weird that this guy's bringing her to a
cabin like that. But the cabin's been in their family,
so I didn't think that was that weird.

Speaker 1 (18:13):
Did you get a sense of how big the cabin was?
And like because he said there were no doors, he
said only the bathroom has a lock on it. Yes,
I thought that was interesting. I was like, I want
to be in a place where I couldn't shut the door.

Speaker 2 (18:27):
Yeah. Well, okay, well so we'll start from it. It's
builds very slowly. The first weird thing, but not supernaturally weird,
is that Malcolm tells her that his cousin deadbeat asshole
cousin lives across from them, and oh my god, I
hope he doesn't show up. So of course he shows up,
and he has this young model girlfriend who apparently doesn't

(18:47):
speak a word of English. Well she did, but she
did because The one weird thing, and right away I
thought this was weird, is that Malcolm says, there's a
cake box on like the counter, and he's like, oh,
that must have been left by the charter and it.

Speaker 1 (19:00):
Clearly has like blood smudged all over.

Speaker 2 (19:03):
Like I get blood. I mean, we think it's blood,
but I guess you could say, oh, maybe it's icing
or something, but it looks like it's not right.

Speaker 1 (19:11):
Yeah, Like I mean, I do. I have a sweet tooth,
so I probably would have eaten it too, Maybe not
the way the girl in this movie eats it, but
oh god.

Speaker 2 (19:19):
Okay, So first, the girl friend of the cousin who
doesn't speak English, looks at Liz and looks at the
cake and says, tastes like shit. Right. That was one
of my funniest The funniest part the.

Speaker 1 (19:30):
Two cousins, Well, first off, I thought they were brothers
through the entire film until we walked out of the
theater and you're like their cousins together, and I was like, okay, yeah,
I was watching the movie Tim.

Speaker 2 (19:38):
Who also thought he was married, but like, clearly I
was making it my own movie, Tim was watching it.

Speaker 1 (19:43):
There was plenty of time in this movie where you
could your mind could easily wander.

Speaker 2 (19:47):
Oh one hundred percent. And also when a movie doesn't
lay out the details in too obvious of a way,
of course, you can start to put you know, put
the puzzle pieces together in your own way. So I
totally get that, and I feel like if we watch
it a second time, we'll catch more.

Speaker 1 (20:00):
I don't know if I need it.

Speaker 2 (20:01):
That's true, So okay. So another weird thing is that
Malcolm is very adamant about Liz having a slice of
this effing cake before she goes to bed. And she's like,
I don't like chocolate and he's like, oh, but you
haven't had this chocolate. And right away I'm thinking red flag,
not only because he's pushing sore, but he didn't eat
a piece of the cake.

Speaker 1 (20:18):
Well, that whole scene was so weird to me because
like he didn't cut out two pieces, like one for him,
one for her. He just got one plate for her
and was pushing it on her. And I was like,
I hope whoever I meet next to day does not
push Actually I would probably like them because they did
do that.

Speaker 2 (20:34):
But the number one thing to always think about, and
this is a warning to everybody, but I feel like
this should be obvious, is it's if someone you maybe
don't know well enough or maybe don't trust well enough,
cook something or makes you a drink and doesn't have
any of it themselves, that's a red flag. Boy. There
could be something a drug, anything, you know, make them

(20:55):
take a bite. But oh my god, we totally forgot
the beginning sequence. How do we not think before before
we even get to the couple. The whole beginning of
this movie is a sequence of many different women through
many different time periods, and it shots of them first
looking like they're happy and kind of flirting with someone,
then slowly getting more scared, then screaming with blood all

(21:16):
over it.

Speaker 1 (21:17):
It was a series of different time periods, different nationalities.
But when the actually, if you saw the trailer, you
see all this.

Speaker 2 (21:24):
And that's the thing. I was like, oh my god,
the movie starting with the trailer.

Speaker 1 (21:27):
Yeah, pretty much crazy. And I actually thought like going
into this movie, I was like, oh, this will come
into play more not really the way you find.

Speaker 2 (21:36):
Out what happens to the women, but you don't get anymore.

Speaker 1 (21:39):
You don't get a backstory on any of these.

Speaker 2 (21:41):
And the women, just that they were all used for
the same purpose. Yeah. So okay, so Liz has some
of the cake. But then in a and I will say,
this was a creepy type of scene. She wakes up
in the middle of night and first you see like
something like the form of something behind her. And truthfully,
that I think was the scariest part of this movie.
Remember when in the when she wakes up and there's
like the form of some sort of creature watching her,

(22:03):
but you don't see it's from far.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
Actually, I don't think I was scared at all. I
mean no, Actually the party was scared. The most is
when I mean I'm jumping a little bit, is when
the cousin showed up and he's like, like, open the door,
opened the door.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
Because we knew that's a real person.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's a real person. For some reason, Like I almost
would have been more scared of the two cousins were
just I mean, they obviously murdered that. Yeah, they both
were murderers. But I don't even want the supernatural element
at all.

Speaker 2 (22:29):
I mean, I totally get it. So Liz she walks
and then she it's like the cake has put her
under a trance because she and I just have to
imagine how uncomfortable was filming the scene for Tatiana Masani
because she then starts grabbing the cake with her hands
and eating it all as she's having visions of the
women that we saw screaming covered in blood.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Well, the interesting thing is that she was sleeping. She
got up in the middle of the night and then
ate the cake.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Like all of it with her hands. For someone who
doesn't like chocolate, I've got a question for you. When
she was taking apart the cake, there were like things
in the cake that I thought they were teeth. I
thought they were like fingers, but I couldn't quite.

Speaker 1 (23:10):
But she didn't seem to care, and I knew that
as she was she was getting more possessed.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
She was getting more and more possessed. Anyway, we get
to the next day and she's having strange visions. She
hasn't this was like so trippy, she imagines. Well, first
we get a quick scene of it literally looks like
the uh, the model girlfriend from the Last Night who
doesn't speak English. It looks like she she's trying to
get away and get an uber and it literally looks

(23:34):
like something in a tree eats her.

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yes, look, yeah, absolutely, And I was wondering if you
if you thought the nineteen ninety movie called The Guardian
which we saw together, where the nanny feeds babies to trees.

Speaker 2 (23:48):
Wait, do you remember that you saw with me? Who's
in it? Oh?

Speaker 1 (23:51):
Gosh, I don't Okay, I don't know who any of
the actors are. I think it was like Richard Gear's
wife Carrie Lowell Cole Lowell.

Speaker 2 (23:59):
And she feeds babies to the nanny.

Speaker 1 (24:02):
They hire a nanny and it says she's it's called
The Guardian nineteen ninety and she feeds babies to trees.
And then the family, the wife and the husband catch
on and they have to fight her.

Speaker 2 (24:16):
But she's a tree. I and you're sure. Yes, My
Daughter was co written and directed by William Friedkin of
The Exorcise.

Speaker 1 (24:24):
Yes, and the movie is a big, massive, was big flop,
but I, as a child loved it.

Speaker 2 (24:28):
I actually seagrove and yes, I must have blocked this
out because I have no recollection. Help me. It was like,
now I'm interested. You saw the movie? We saw it
was a series.

Speaker 1 (24:38):
We saw like six movies in a row, and like it.

Speaker 2 (24:41):
Was like a oh from that marathon.

Speaker 1 (24:43):
Yeah, we saw marathon in the guarden.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Fell asleep during some of that marathon. No, I love
though that it was directed by the guy William Fridkin,
because obviously we all know the exorsies. But anyway, yes,
so we see this woman, no no backs or no explanation.
She looks like she literally gets eaten by something in
a tree. Then Liz hallucinate seeing her next to a

(25:07):
smaller version of her, like two versions of this woman
sitting there talking in weird voices.

Speaker 1 (25:15):
Yeah, it was like a mini mouse voice.

Speaker 2 (25:17):
It was like a weird, trippy thing.

Speaker 1 (25:19):
But anyway, we then get to which and then she
showed up right in front of her face and was
she swishing.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Her Yes, her fingers were all messed up.

Speaker 1 (25:25):
Yeah, they're like blood on them or chocolate cake. I
don't even know. I mean that whole thing went nowhere.

Speaker 2 (25:30):
Well, well it went nowhere because at that point, as Liz,
I'm like, I don't know what's going on, but I'm
hallucinating or something is fucked up enough that I don't
want to be here. But Malcolm says, oh, I'm just
getting called in for a patient. He's a doctor. She's
in a medically induced coma and she was supposed to
wake up. I have to go attend to blah blah
blah blah. Are you good at the cabin all day

(25:52):
by yourself? And she's like yeah, and I'm thinking, no, no,
you're not right, like because she ate a whole cake.
And then he did.

Speaker 1 (25:58):
He was he looked over at the ash can and
all the cake was in the track like the rest
of the case.

Speaker 2 (26:03):
Yes, so you knew he was involved in something sinister
because obviously he any normal person would have been like, babe,
why did you eat the entire I kept waiting for
that conversation.

Speaker 1 (26:12):
I was like, why isn't he saying like, hey, for
someone who didn't like talcoa cake, you ate all the cake.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
And now you're acting weird and seeing shit. But anyway,
he leaves. She calls her friend Maggie, who's like, girl,
he has a wife and kids and a family. He's
not being called in for doctor stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:27):
Okay, thank you, because like I heard that and I
thought she's right. He's like, yeah, that's a reality, but
it wasn't at that.

Speaker 2 (26:34):
Point in the film. It was a possibility because we
don't know what this guy is keeping from her, but
he's keeping something from her, and it has to do
with chocolate cake. Oh, my God, has to do with it.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Thanks straightening that up for me, because I thought he
really did family though.

Speaker 2 (26:48):
That was the well, I mean, the thing is is
that who knows what he was doing. He definitely could
have not been doing his doctor duties. Maybe he was
getting his next target or dating his next target, so
he could have been doing something, but the wife and
kids was something from a way, way way back.

Speaker 1 (27:02):
Well, I just want to say this. I thought both actors,
the guy and the girl Liz, were fantastic, Like they
kept my interest. I mean, granted the movie was going nowhere.
For me, it was like teetering on, like look at
the scenery of this beautiful house.

Speaker 2 (27:15):
Here's a vision of something. That's it.

Speaker 1 (27:17):
It was very I was trying to analyze everything. I
was like, Okay, this means something, this means something.

Speaker 2 (27:22):
This is and then you know, the thing is is
that when this movie was advertised it's like a dark
trip by Ozgod Perkins. It's nightmare few Like I was
hearing all these amazing things about it, but like you said,
I wasn't that scared throughout. Like there have been a
million movies that have gotten to me a lot more
than this one. To me. They had her having so

(27:43):
many visions and then she would either wake up or
snap out of it. And I've seen that a million times,
like flashed something scary and then someone breakes up.

Speaker 1 (27:50):
Like I loved Long Legs, and I was expecting this
to be like kind of like oh eerie like Long Legs,
and it just none of that was happening. And I
can't really blame him because he didn't write it.

Speaker 2 (28:00):
Buddy direct I mean directors. But look, look, and that's
the thing. I really liked Long Legs and I love
The Monkey, two very different movies. And then there's this movie.
So I was thinking, Okay, this is going to be
different too, but I bet this is gonna be really
fucked up, Like I was ready for something really fucked
up anyway, let me get it. There's some so after

(28:21):
she's alone for a while and the cousin comes over
and he's kind of not expecting to see her, and
we have this weird scene where she's feeling uncomfortable with
the cousin. There she locks herself in the bathroom and
he gets a meat cleaver and he looks like he's
trying to follow her and kill.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
He's walking up the stairs and then like and then
she's like, okay, like she didn't ever phone on her
because she left it in the.

Speaker 2 (28:43):
Basement and out of nowhere something And at this point
we don't know what, like decapitates the cousin.

Speaker 1 (28:48):
Right, and she doesn't know that.

Speaker 2 (28:50):
No, she doesn't know that, but it's so quick that
even me I had to ask Tim and our friend
Hica who went with us, I said, did the cousin
get killed? And I think it was you or he was, yeah,
his head got pulled.

Speaker 1 (29:01):
His head was barely holding on to like his neck
like it was ripped off just enough, and then like
it looked like he was going upside down up to
the roof of the house.

Speaker 2 (29:11):
It was I don't know what. It was so packed
we didn't quite know. And she stays in the bathroom.
Finally Malcolm comes home and she is like she's been
trying to call her friend to pick her up because
finally she's like, too much weird stuff is going on.
She can't get a good connection and with her friend.

Speaker 1 (29:27):
Okay, I'm so glad you brought up the connection when
she's having that conversation with her friend, But like, do
you hear glimpses like it's your fault? You're like, was
that just all part of the brain?

Speaker 2 (29:38):
You know? Who fucking knows? Like to be honest, at
that point, it's almost like they could you can make
any excuse in a supernatural movie that oh it's supernatural
stuff to who knows if that was messing up the
Wi Fi signal or what. But they wouldn't let her leave.
So anyway, Malcolm gets home and she's like, I want
to go. I don't like this. Things are weird. Where
were you? Blah blah. This is when and I can

(29:59):
see why you got confusion. He finds a picture of
Malcolm with a what it looks like a wife and kids,
but it looks like it's taken in like eighteen eighty Yeah.

Speaker 1 (30:07):
No, okay, So right when I saw the picture, I
was like, okay, oh, this isn't current day. This is
like and then I was like, oh, man, he's from
the past. And then I was like, I was like, oh,
he's collecting women up to the cabin for eternal life.

Speaker 2 (30:21):
So Tim knew right away. He actually turned to me
and said that, and I was like, mystery over was like, popcorn, No,
you are that. I didn't do that. You're totally right. No.
At that point, I think I was so bored. I
don't even I was like, So then what proceeds is
she's like, who is this? Is this your family? And
and why does it look like it was taking a century?

(30:41):
He then proceeds In all horror movies, you have the
big killer monologue. Well, in this one, we get a
whole story. Oh my gosh.

Speaker 1 (30:48):
She sits down and then he's back and she's scared
and crying, and he's giving a monologue for like an artic.

Speaker 2 (30:54):
Yes, it's so basically, he says, and it's just too
much story. At this point, I when he was a kid,
him and his cousin found some crazy woman that was
trespassing on their property. Apparently she was a witch, right.

Speaker 1 (31:07):
And they do it cut like a flashback, and it's
her as the old lady.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
Well that's what they said, he said, and she looked
a lot like whis and in the flashback, well, yes
that touch on a Malani, the actress is playing her
because apparently she looked like her. So anyway, they captured
this witch, kept her in the barn, and she was
pregnant and gave birth to a bunch of weird creatures.
That's all we get from it, weird creatures. It was

(31:32):
like they showed the umbilical cord and it was like steaming. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (31:35):
I was like, I don't know what that is.

Speaker 2 (31:36):
The lookally alien like. And so then they shoot and
kill the witch and apparently these demonic, horrible creatures made
a deal with these two young boys, like continue to
bring us female sacrifices and we'll give you eternal life
and you'll, I guess, never age past a certain age

(31:56):
because this happened centuries ago. But at this same time
that they did age because they were kids when that happened, right,
and maybe they picked an age to stop aging.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
When his cousin's girlfriend, the model, I'm just gonna call
her model. She was really pretty. She had like the
fur coat on. Did we talk about how she was
sucked into a tree? Yes, we did, okay, because I
brought the whole Guardian conversa. Oh that's right, never mind.
You know I'm here too. I'm here, sitting at this table.

Speaker 2 (32:22):
I gave Tim some chocolate cake before this. He said
eat it all, and I did.

Speaker 1 (32:25):
And Tim's like, no, but I'm just saying like that
never came into play, like Liz never got to find
that girl in the woods, like, oh wait wait, she
did peek out the window and she was looking at
the trash.

Speaker 2 (32:37):
I oh, yes, she saw a face in the trash
and it was her.

Speaker 1 (32:40):
And I had that looking back at the entire film
when she did see the model's white face in the trash.
That was the one time I was like, oh, this
movie's got something.

Speaker 2 (32:49):
You let that one time.

Speaker 1 (32:50):
That one time.

Speaker 2 (32:50):
So he Malcolm, after telling this long right away. If
I were here, if you were hearing a story like this,
I don't know if my first inclination would beat believe it.
I think my first inclination would be you're fucking crazy.

Speaker 1 (33:03):
Of course, she didn't ever say he was crazy.

Speaker 2 (33:05):
No, she I think because she's been having so many
spiritual like awakenings and visions and hallucinations that at this
point she's like, Okay, I'll accept anything.

Speaker 1 (33:16):
I mean, she's like, I can't lock myself in the
bathroom all the.

Speaker 2 (33:18):
Time, exactly. And it doesn't even have a lock, right,
doesn't even have a lock. So he basically tells her
and totally matter of factly, oh, and you are gonna die.
You're the next sacrifice. And she's like, I thought you
love me. He's like, I do love you, which is
why I'm not gonna listen as they kill you. I'm like,
now that, well, that is nice.

Speaker 1 (33:36):
And then he I don't know when this is in
the movie, but I'm just jumping right to it. He
does have a place where he keeps all a different
boxes from each girl, and he labels the dates and
the times that they met, and he just happens to
open the boxes and just go down memory lane and
like sniff their clothes.

Speaker 2 (33:50):
Yeah, it's very weird. And and what I didn't get.
And one thing I was talking with Tim about after
the movie is that if he wants to, Okay, let's
believe this plot of him just sacrificing women to stay
young and not age, why would he take the time
to have a one year relationship just to sacrifice, like
if anything, And I can't believe I'm even the quicker. No, no,

(34:12):
what like like or if you want to have a relationship,
keep that separate and then just find random people you
don't know to do that, but meet someone, fall in
love and then sacrifice him. Like that doesn't make any sense.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Listen, if I had a deal to do internal eternal youth,
un tell youth, I would have internal youth.

Speaker 2 (34:30):
That's a whole other thing. I would This is what
I would do.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
I would have my boyfriend and then just take all
the random guys up to the cabin, have them get killed,
and then go on with my day.

Speaker 2 (34:43):
But that's what I'm saying, Like I would have I
want to do that, yes, like have the woman you
love and want to live with and have let well,
I guess also, because how do you explain to that
person why you're not aging?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Oh, that's true, that's true. It's like that'll come up.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
Tim, you know, I've been wondering. Actually since i've known you,
you've never aged.

Speaker 1 (34:58):
I've made a deal with the devil, and I don't
like to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (35:00):
You like, and who he's sacrificing, young gay man, young
gay man?

Speaker 1 (35:03):
That actually it would be tough for me to get
a young cagu I don't want to.

Speaker 2 (35:07):
They should have stopped that agent a little, you know
what I mean? Us Gray, I've got white in this beard,
and I've.

Speaker 1 (35:17):
Had friends if I do have a beard, it's all white.

Speaker 2 (35:20):
Basically, you're blonde, so blonde turns to white easier than
dark anyway, Okay, Sating. He does explain also that the
cake was supposed to just knock Liz out, and but
she wasn't supposed to eat all of it, so he's
kind of noticing that something is different about her.

Speaker 1 (35:35):
But I thought he said, you ate the whole cake,
and usually the girls can't last that long.

Speaker 2 (35:41):
Yeah, it's supposed to knock around, and it didn't.

Speaker 1 (35:44):
It's kind than the rest she is.

Speaker 2 (35:46):
So basically he puts her in the basement and all
of these creatures start to sneak up. And again, I
think this was meant to be scarier than it was
for me, because he just didn't scare me that much.

Speaker 1 (35:59):
I think they've like, listen, we have got eye candy
for your eyes, and feast urrives on this crazy stuff
and we're like.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
We've seen this. Let me just describe some of the
creatures for you the drooling one. Yes, there's one that
looks like a mime that, for lack of better words,
is just constantly vomiting because there's this milk just continuing
to like pour out of his mouth. Then there's one
that at first has a plastic bag on its face,
which she sees with the plastic bag on. Then when

(36:27):
it takes the plastic bag on it, it has like
nine different faces all in one, right, And.

Speaker 1 (36:32):
You know, I think that would have been effective if
I was like nine, but doesn't feel.

Speaker 2 (36:38):
Very much like like a creature and like the never
Ending story.

Speaker 1 (36:41):
Yes, yes, it totally reminds me of the never Ending Story.

Speaker 2 (36:43):
Then there's other creatures that have like multiple eyes and
all of their eyes are all black, and but the
devomiting weird ones, I'm just like, what the fuck is this?
What's going on?

Speaker 1 (36:54):
And then like what was so weird to me is
like she's leaning up against the wall and there's one
that she's kind of looking at, but there's another one
like crawling down the stairs. I was like, why isn't
she looking over at the crazy one coming down the stairs?

Speaker 2 (37:04):
Like she didn't look over.

Speaker 1 (37:05):
I'm like, look at that that's giving.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Up but all the creatures come to her and they
start kind of clawing at her, and she starts screaming
but also laughing, and at first you're thinking, oh my god,
they're killing her, just like all of the women that
we saw flashes of in the beginning. But remember the
one big plot point to keep in mind if you're
following this is that the original witch who gave birth
to these creatures looked just like her. So these creatures

(37:30):
recognize that and I think, think, oh, she's either their mom,
or like a reincarnated figure to mom, or a descendant
of the mom or something. And they end up well,
we don't find out, and the guy goes to bed.
Malcolm goes to bed. Well, the next day he wakes up.

Speaker 1 (37:44):
Oh and that was that was kind of clever of
the movie, because they show him in bed and they
show him aging.

Speaker 2 (37:50):
I was like, oh, that's cool. And suddenly he's aging
like I don't know, sixty more years or something, and
I'm thinking, ooh, the creatures have turned on him. No
more this curse. And he wakes up. He's way, way,
way old and now he's hanging upside down outside. Liz
is still alive. Her eyes are completely black, and she

(38:10):
kind of goes up to him and now, boy, have
the tables turned Like he's begging her for his life.
So apparently, I mean we again, we didn't see any
of this happen. I'm just kind of cutting it together,
putting it together that the creatures, you know, have now
their allegiances to her. She's become possessed by whatever witchcraft
is going on, and now she has the power and

(38:32):
he's lost his eternal youth. So before he's trying to begging,
Terry says, no, I really did love her, and then
she lowers his head in like a jar of honey.

Speaker 1 (38:41):
Well before that doesn't she made him eat the chocolate cake.

Speaker 2 (38:43):
She makes him eat the chocolate cake.

Speaker 1 (38:44):
Then he lowers right, So it didn't remind you of
Back to the Future two when they when Michael J.
Fox was upside down. He goes, well it was the
Crispine Glover part. But he's like, you're right, you're right,
and like, you remember he's upside down in that thing.

Speaker 2 (38:55):
You know, I can honestly say it didn't.

Speaker 1 (38:57):
Okay, But anyway, I see Back to the Future part two,
and there's a there's one character in the future in
twenty fifteen, which is now not the future, but there's
that character that's upside down with it's supposed to be
Crispin Glover's role. Oh I anyway, that he reminded me
of when I was watching that guy about to get
his head dipped in honey.

Speaker 2 (39:14):
I don't all I was thinking of was Winnie the
Pooh because it was just such a weird thing. And
also like was she giving him the cake? The cake
is supposed to drug you, but if she was just
gonna drown him in honey, why does she need to
give him the cake?

Speaker 1 (39:25):
I think it was just one of those gross outs
like that first like you forced me to eat it,
now you're eating it kind of thing, because that was
really gross. But how long did that scene go where
Liz was giving the old man the chocolate cake? Like
I looked at you and I was like, okay, we
got it. This is just gross to watch an old
man down.

Speaker 2 (39:43):
But you there's a lot of I will say, nauseating
scenes in here, because first off, when you're anyone eating
a full cake and like licking it off their hands,
it's tough to watch. The vomiting creatures was really gross
to watch it and then.

Speaker 1 (39:56):
The vomitter of the drool or whatever was cgi. Did
you notice that?

Speaker 2 (40:00):
To me it looked like milk was just coming up,
But I assumed.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
Yeah, I mean it was like a series of real milk,
so weird and so.

Speaker 2 (40:06):
And then she walks away and that's basically the end.
And you have to assume that. I guess it leaves
it open ended. Is now she gonna need to sacrifice
people to stay young?

Speaker 1 (40:16):
She keep her too, I would go see, because to
keep her too morekeeping, more keeping, because it would she'd
be luring up hot guys up to the cabin, and
that might be more entertaining, you know.

Speaker 2 (40:28):
I mean, it would be interesting to have a different
power dynamic. But let's talk about like, Okay, is there
any real meaning behind this film or did Osgoode Perkins
make it just to have something weird and creepy.

Speaker 1 (40:39):
Right, Like, Hey, we're gonna show you a lot of
images that are totally effed up. But I, for some reason,
you and I have seen so many movies that I
wasn't that left up.

Speaker 2 (40:47):
I know me too, I mean, I agree with it. It
was the only thing that I got from this. And
this is me going really deep and I don't know
if this is what it meant from it. I'm just
thinking if there was some sort of meeting meaning is
that maybe it was supposed to reflect the power struggle
between men and women and how like men a lot
of times will take advantage of women for their own

(41:08):
self interest. So it's a very very deep look at
a movie that probably wasn't that deep. But there is
a reason that it's two men constantly sacrificing only women,
and they're getting to be young as these women lose
their lives. So I definitely think it could reflect that.
But at the same time, I don't know if it

(41:29):
was fully trying to make that point or if it succeeded.
I mean, I guess it did because I figured that out,
but I don't know. Maybe I'm looking for I didn't.

Speaker 1 (41:36):
Look too deeply like the way you did. I looked
at it as like a revenge story, Like those two
kids literally shot that pregnant woman in the head, which
was messed up. So now cut to today, she's like
flipping the script on them, and so you're getting revenge
on those two kids.

Speaker 2 (41:51):
Do you think that Liz in present day is like
a descendant of that Witch because they looked so alike.
Maybe and that's why she's different. What was the whole thing.

Speaker 1 (42:01):
When she was leaning down into the water and she
found a lockett? Who was in the lockett?

Speaker 2 (42:05):
Oh, I think the old woman or sorry, not the
old woman, the witch woman that looks so.

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Basically it's Witch getting revenged.

Speaker 2 (42:12):
Yeah, I mean I'm thinking about but that would mean
that the Witch I can't believe I'm even thinking of
this would have had to have other kids who then
had more kids and it went the descendant, the ancestry
went down to Liz and she's related or could just
be that she looks a lot like or we've seen
that before. What was a movie where it's like, oh,
in Friday the Thirteenth, I can't believe I'm coming with

(42:32):
this the remake. Remember when he finds the locket and
he's like, you look like Jason's mother, and that's why
Jason spares her and he keeps her in a cave.
Literally they copied Friday the thirteenth. They really did. No,
it's just it's such a crazy thing. But like the
other thoughts on this movie were I just I walked out.
I wasn't that entertained, and I wasn't that impressed. And

(42:56):
I look, there are a lot of people that are
saying this is a masterpiece and it's so creepy and whatever.
I just don't agree. It didn't hit me like that,
And I'm glad it didn't hit you like that.

Speaker 1 (43:06):
Oh No, But I thought that there were really good performances,
like yhen he started giving that monologue basically telling her
like you will be Like did he say like you will?
You cannot leave here, You're gonna die? Yeah, Like I
thought her reaction was genuine, like she's frozen and crying
like I thought. Malcolm Sutherland who I no.

Speaker 2 (43:22):
No, Malcolms and Ross Ros Ross's name of the movie.

Speaker 1 (43:28):
Malcolm, Malcolm and Liz were. I thought they were very
strong actors. So if anything, I saw two very good performances.
Even the special effects and everything did not blow my
mind for some reason.

Speaker 2 (43:39):
No, that I would one hundred percent agreed that both
lead performances were incredibly strong. I have loved Tatiana Mazlani
since she was on the show or from Black. She
had to play she was a cloned woman, so she
had to play like seven different versions of the same person.
But each of them had different characteristics and different and
she was so good. I remember thinking this, and this

(44:01):
was like fifteen years ago. I remember thinking, like, this
is an incredible actress and she hadn't been a ton
of films. Well now, obviously she's like Osgoode. Perkins's like
leading lady because she's been in a bunch of films.
She's going to be in his next one, and she's
still just as incredible. And like Tim said, when she
was showing the fear from talking to someone you thought
you trusted and then realizing, oh my god, he's totally

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not the person I thought he was, and she's like
cowering in fear. That was really impressive because you got
to really get yourself terrified to show that kind of
fear absoluly.

Speaker 1 (44:33):
And you know, he's pretty easy on the eyes. From
uh Orfan First Kill.

Speaker 2 (44:37):
Yes, and he is key for Sutherland's half brother and
Donald Sutherland's son. I didn't notice, but I've seen him
in a lot like Orfan First Kill, and he's a
very talented actor. He's a little bit more subdued, like
he's not going to hit you over the top with emotion,
but at the same time, when he was explaining things
to her, so matter of factly it was just cleary
enough to be really scary.

Speaker 1 (44:59):
Yeah, I agree. Well, I also thought his cousin was
equally as nerve wracking and scary, like I actually thought.
I mean, he was the biggest threat in the movie
because the way he treated the model. You know, he's
like he was saying very not kind of uncomfortable derogatory
things right in front of her, like don't speak a
lick of English.

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Yeah he was awful, but see he I mean, yes,
he gave a good performance, but he was for me,
it was like one note, sleazy douchebag, that's scary. No, No,
he played sleazy douchebag well, but like it didn't have
the depth I think that the other two performances did.
But granted he played that role well. And even her
friend Maggie, like the sassy, doubtful friend was perfect. You know,

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so all these we never get to see her, just
a picture on the phone, that's yeah. And I was
also wondering, do you think she ever came? Yeah, here's
a question for the sequel. Did because remember she was
trying to get through her and said please pick me up.
Did she ever come to get her, and what is
she going to think when she gets there and sees
her with all black eyes possessed?

Speaker 1 (46:00):
She say, join me. It's fun here.

Speaker 2 (46:01):
She'll be like, hey, how's Malcolm? Where is he? Oh?
Why is his head in that? Honey? Right, that's what
you're honey. Well, you know. Uh.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
She kept saying what I thought was interesting when she
said the city, It was obviously New York City, right, yeah.

Speaker 2 (46:12):
I think this is meant to be like upstate New
York or somewhere else.

Speaker 1 (46:15):
No one has a car in New York City. I
mean some people do, but I mean like when she's like,
just get a car and come pick me up, that's
a huge ass.

Speaker 2 (46:21):
Yeah, yeah, York. I mean I think it was New
York now that I think about. It's not that they
ever said it. We always think like the city equals
New York. But it looked like it was cold, so
it's got to be East Coast, you know. Other than
what city this was in, another thing to figure out
is is there anything that this movie is saying about relationships?
You know? Again, I'm just trying to see if there's
more meaning to it, and maybe I'm searching for something

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that doesn't exist. But like you know, there's the trust
factor and whether you can really trust someone and whether
they're really taking advantage of you, and sometimes it does
take a while to know if you can trust someone. Now,
I've never faced someone who's trying to sacrifice to be
for eternal youth, but maybe that was a metaphor for
something else. Well.

Speaker 1 (47:02):
I also felt bad because she was like, just take
me home, just let's leave, let's leave, let's leave, And
then like I didn't like the way he was like, oh,
let's open this bottle of wine. Like I was getting annoyed.
I was like, just take her out of there. She's
clearly not stable.

Speaker 2 (47:13):
And also if I'm taking someone to like my family
establishment and they're uncomfortable, then like you should leave. Like
it wasn't like she she already was like at the
mercy of him, because I think they only had the
one car right, so she couldn't leave, And if she's
that uncomfortable, But obviously, like you knew question for you,
did you know he was bad from the beginning?

Speaker 1 (47:36):
Did I started to think he was bad when when
he wasn't really sticking up for her After the cousin
left and he's like, eat this pie. Like I was like, oh,
he's bad the case.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
Yeah, I said, pie, k okay, pie, you want some pie?
I thought so too. I thought from the beginning at
the trailers, I will say this on the trailers, because
some of the trailers switch, like remember that trailer that
you have lived and it's her saying the monologue of
oh I think he's a keeper. Then it switches to
Malcolm and him saying the monologue. Part of me thought,

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is this movie gonna be some sort of like they're
both bad role reversal. They're both trying to.

Speaker 1 (48:12):
Get each other as the reversal at the end.

Speaker 2 (48:14):
Yeah, but that's almost like the person who was the
victim regaining the power and now taking it out on
the aggressor. But I thought maybe both people would be
bad in this movie. I don't know, it's just so weird.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
I think that people will enjoy this film who have
never seen a film.

Speaker 2 (48:30):
Who've never seen the film. All three of those people,
all the Amish population like this nothing.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I'm just saying like, if you haven't seen a lot
of these films, yeah, you may be like, oh, this
is something new and original bad. I agree for you,
and I we've seen a lot of things in the
same kind of universe.

Speaker 2 (48:48):
Yeah, you're right. If you're not a horror person, and
let's say you get dragged to this movie by friends,
maybe this will scare the shit out of you. It
possibly could, because there are some scary scenes. Ish not
so much people like us. But I think what I
would say about this movie is that it's tough because
we often talk about rewatchability, and for me, I'm not

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that interested in seeing this again. Whereas The Monkey and
Long Legs are two movies. We own The Monkey and
I want to own Long Legs because I really enjoyed
both of those.

Speaker 1 (49:19):
I like Long Legs to a point because the ending
is a little silly with the dolls.

Speaker 2 (49:24):
It is.

Speaker 1 (49:27):
I but I all of Monk. The Monkey to me
is silly.

Speaker 2 (49:31):
I love that are but like yeah, but yes, but
it's like, but there's a rewatchability factor you can enjoy
it like this one, Like, Eh.

Speaker 1 (49:39):
This is what I'm gonna say about it. Tell me
you know what's scarier than anything, just a human being
who snaps, Oh my god, I sound like I'm on screen.

Speaker 2 (49:47):
For for you, I mean, it's you're not telling me
anything that I don't agree with or haven't heard because
we both agree. I think that people are scary, Like,
we don't need supernatural elements to scare us, just have
someone who loses it and like is out to get you.

Speaker 1 (50:04):
If the second half of this movie was just her
fighting the cousin in Malcolm, I would think that he
was fantastic.

Speaker 2 (50:11):
Yeah, it's tough, because we've seen that too. I don't
want to say the supernatural subgenre of horror shouldn't exist,
because there are incredible supernatural films like Rosemary's Baby and
The Exorcist and even like the Original Haunting and different
movies where they can make it really effective. But I
think some movies are just like, hey, we throwing some

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really creepy imaginations and imagery, some creepy feature creatures. We
don't need to explain it too much because hey, it's
supernatural and everyone will get scared.

Speaker 1 (50:43):
Well, that doesn't work, so so you and I are
open to interpretation, like we You know, when you watch Halloween,
we don't really know why is Michael Meyer's nuts?

Speaker 2 (50:52):
You know? And that's okay though, because he still is
and he's still coming to kill people, and that's enough
to make it scary.

Speaker 1 (50:58):
Right exactly, So why didn't this movie work?

Speaker 2 (51:00):
Why didn't it work? Matt? I think that they they
tried to introduce a lot of story elements with the
Witch and her creature things, but they didn't fully explain them.
And then suddenly they just threw all these creatures in.

Speaker 1 (51:13):
Right, And there was one time where I think she
was sitting on the bed and like one of the
creature's heads like like zoomed up like this, and.

Speaker 2 (51:20):
I was like, where's this going? But again it's like,
you know, they had a creature climb up the walls,
Like I get it in most movies, that's scary. But
since we've seen that a million times, I need more
than that. I want to know, like I would have
liked to see a movie about the Witch from the
the olden times and her creatures and where she came
from and why, Like notice that they never explain why

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did she birth creatures she was human.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Or if they did take out all the creatures entirely,
and just him saying like I have internal youth.

Speaker 2 (51:51):
Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, you said internal youth? What is then?
Thank you think internal would be inside of you? You know,
internally I am a youth. Well externally, I'm okay.

Speaker 1 (52:01):
So yeah, if you just had that, which I can't say,
and they never showed all the creatures, I don't need
to see it.

Speaker 2 (52:10):
Sometimes. Yeah, I mean again, there's a lot of ways
that I think this movie could have improved. But I
truly believe that maybe the writer wrote out what he
thought was a scary movie and wrote out a scary
backstory for it. It was like, Hey, how am I
gonna explain where these creatures came from? Oh, that'd be
too complicated. Let's just keep it up for interpretation. Sometimes
that works, sometimes it doesn't. In this film, I didn't

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feel like it worked so well.

Speaker 1 (52:32):
I mean, I need more than a drooling monster.

Speaker 2 (52:35):
Yeah, although a drooling monster is always fun to watch,
especially when they look like a mime.

Speaker 1 (52:39):
I was just like, listen, there was too much of
like her eating the cake close ups and like that
thing drooling.

Speaker 2 (52:43):
I was just like gross. There are two signs real quick.
I have to tell people watching that I know when
I see a movie with Tim, because we see all
these movies together, that I know that A I'm not
feeling a movie, or be Tim's not feeling a movie.
Okay for me, if I'm just like not in it,
I'll just look at Tim and I'll pretend the cameras
Tim and I'll look like this right like that, because
it's like, obviously, if I'm invested, I don't even have

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time to turn to Tim. When Tim's not investive, I
always hear like a big sigh, like and let me
just say, both of those things happened during Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:16):
I mean, the thing is is like I love going
to the movies, and I'm not saying like this is
like the worst thing.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
It's definitely not. It's not it was.

Speaker 1 (53:22):
The movie was fine, It's just not my movie.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Let me just tell you this was head and shoulders
above I know what you did last.

Speaker 1 (53:28):
Oh yeah, I mean I was interested only because I
was like, I can't believe the filmmakers are giving us this.

Speaker 2 (53:34):
Where like, I know what you did last summer was
fun to watch, but so dumb, just so dumb, and
all of those characters were so awful and dumb. But
this one, the characters were strong, but the story wasn't
so much.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
I think it was great phenomenah exactly.

Speaker 2 (53:49):
Well, we're trying to look for the positive happy time
and look in no way is this going to keep
me from seeing Osgod Perkins movies. Like no one gets
every movie right, nobody.

Speaker 1 (54:00):
Movies up for an Oscar. We're just like totally we
like surprised there, Like, okay, this year Keeper is gonna
sweep Keeper, I said.

Speaker 2 (54:06):
Keeper, Oh Keeper, you gon Keeper, Keeper's Netherland is gonna
sweep Oh well, look if Keeper sweeps, even more reason
not to watch the Thank you let me know in
the comments, Lowe, did I say, Keeper? I just want
to know about this internal youth that you have, Like
it's amazing, amazing.

Speaker 1 (54:23):
I don't want to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (54:24):
Taia Mazlani. Give her all the awards. I'm fine with that. Remember,
acting awards aren't for the film, they're for the performance
in the film, and I can get behind them. Oh
my god, if she went for the Best Actress, I'd
be like, okay, yeah, or a nomination, but who knows anyway. Okay,
Well that is our review of Keeper. We're really excited
about getting into the holiday season, especially because uh, the

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new Silent Night Deadly Night comes out, which we will
be reviewing, and oh god, I hope it's good. I
don't want it to not be good, you know, I've
got a feeling. Oh no, anyway, We'll see, but thanks
for sticking with us, Thanks for watching, Bye.

Speaker 1 (55:07):
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