Ep 285: Interview w/Kari Keegan from “Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday”

Kari Keegan isn’t just one of the “Friday the 13th” final girls — her character, Jessica Kimble, is actually a direct descendant of Jason Voorhees. Talk about a terrifying family tree! Tune in to hear all about making “Jason Goes to Hell: The Final Friday,” what it was like filming that big climactic finale with Kane Hodder, and she sets the record straight on her supposed feud with Director Adam Marcus.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:10):
Hello, Welcome to Happy Horrid Time. My name is Tim Murdoch.

Speaker 2 (00:13):
And my name is Matt Emmerton. Now, not many people
can say they've played a descendant of Jason Vorhees, but
today's special guest can. She starred as Jessica Kimball, Jason's
niece in nineteen ninety three's Jason Goes to Hell the
Final Friday and get this, she's the one who actually
sent him to Hell with that magical dagger and an

(00:35):
unforgettable over the shoulder jump, making her one of the
esteemed Friday the thirteenth Final Girls, Please welcome to the podcast.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
Carrie Keegan, Oh my god, you guys are hilarious.

Speaker 1 (00:47):
Hi, how are you? And oh my god?

Speaker 2 (00:49):
Wrapping a Final Girl shirt from our friend Adam Boucie
does small town Weirdo. That's amazing, totally totally guys. Hey,
we are so excited to have you on the show.
And you know, we read we always go back to
the beginning to try to get people's like background before
they got into acting, So we read that you were
born in Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania. So what were like those formative

(01:10):
years like for you and how did you first become
interested in acting.

Speaker 3 (01:14):
Oh, you know, that's an excellent question. I think I
basically was born for this because I was very dramatic
as a child. I had a huge imagination. I told outrageous,
crazy stories, and my mother used to say all the
time I was either going to be an actress or
a writer, because as Susie was, you know, not in school,
she was kidnapped, Which is kind of weird that I'd

(01:35):
grow up into a horror film because everybody met with
tragic endings. So it started really really young. Pittsburgh was
a great city to grow up in. I did the
usual Catholic schoolgirl. I went to the same school that
my mother went to and had some of the same teachers,
if you could believe that. And then I was in
the very first class of the Pittsburgh High School for
Performing Arts, so I went to a performing arts I

(01:59):
went to Catholic school in the morning and performing arts
school in the afternoon. Took a bus over there, so
it was pretty set in stone. The acting thing long before,
like my formative years, I guess, wow.

Speaker 1 (02:14):
And growing up, were you a fan of horror films?
Were any on your radar or had an impact on you?

Speaker 3 (02:19):
No? I was not I'm so sorry this yes, right,
Like no, because horror films were really scary and like
I was more like you know, the say anything and
you know, saying almost fire and I mean they did
make one of the biggest horror films in Pittsburgh, Donna
the Dead, and they had Chili Billy, so there was

(02:41):
lots of that stuff. I just like it, like it
was really scary.

Speaker 1 (02:45):
Like No, Jehn Hughes, John Hughes was more your thing.

Speaker 3 (02:48):
Yeah, John Hughes was my jam.

Speaker 1 (02:50):
That's so funny.

Speaker 2 (02:51):
We again, we say this to a lot of guests
that I'd say seventy five percent of the people we
interview on this show who are in horror movies didn't
grow up watching horror movies or were like it wasn't
a big impact on them. We noticed that your very
first film role was playing a biker girl in the
nineteen eighty eight comedy slash drama The Prince of Pennsylvania,
which also starred fred Ward, Keanu Reeves, Bonnie Badelia, Amy Madigan.

(03:14):
So how did you get involved with this project and
what was that experience?

Speaker 3 (03:17):
Like, well, I had an agent in Pittsburgh, so I
did commercials in Pittsburgh, like before I went off to
college and things like that, and I was home for
the summer and my agent called me and said, oh,
they're doing this movie. And I knew who Bonnie Badillia was,
and I knew who Fred Ward was, but I had
no clue who Keanu Reeves was because he wasn't. I
think this might have been like his second film ever.

(03:39):
So they said, oh, you're going to play a biker girl.
And I lived next door to some punk girls, some
golf girls. So I let them go to talent on me,
so like cripped out my hair and they put me
in all these weird clothes and I wrote my resume
and hot pink marker and I walked in and I
threw it down on the desk and the director's like,
that's her.

Speaker 4 (03:58):
And that was it that I got the and then
I was then the actual Okay, this is the Princeville,
Pennsylvania is one of those classic stories that you think,
there's no way people are going to believe this.

Speaker 3 (04:10):
They used actual a biker band, a game like a guy,
a bunch of guys that were actually these biker guys
like that the Lords of Hammer or something out of
Pittsburgh and like then there was like little me there,
like well Blondie can over there with like these real
biker guys, like on real motorcycles and things, and it

(04:31):
was just it was one of those just you can't
believe that you're part of something because you're just like
wait what. And it was really fun. I mean I
never got to really I met body Medillia, and I
met Fred Ward, and obviously I worked with Keanu and
I play his like pseudo love interests. And it was
supposed to just be one scene and then it morphed
into a couple more scenes, like we show up at
the prom, or we show up at the dance, and

(04:51):
then I show up at the end. So it was
actually a really fun experience all in all. But I
was just happened to be that girl that was available
in Pitts when I think they were casting it as
like an extra or background performer, and then I just
sort of let it morphint him more.

Speaker 2 (05:08):
That's so cool, because so you said you met Fred
Ward and Bonnie Badelia and you were acting alongside Kanu Reeves.
But again at that time, it was just like, oh,
it's just another actor, kind right.

Speaker 3 (05:17):
Well, it was. He was like and Amy Madigan like
I was more interested in because you know, I knew
who they were. And Keanu Reeves was just like this
young guy like my age, you know, who had this movie.
And you know, he was absolutely lovely. We were friends
for years and years and years after that, like we
stayed friends and would see each other from time to time.

(05:37):
And I was probably god Like fifteen years ago, I
was someplace and he walked up to me and he's like,
oh my god, Carrie, I'm like, oh, shut up, like
shut up, like how do you even like you know,
like he's a big, giant, huge star, like how would
you remember me from like one hundred thousand million years ago?
And he was just he is. He is one of

(05:58):
the few not I'm wanna say a few actors because
I can't. He is as lovely in real life as
he is. He's just a lovely human being.

Speaker 1 (06:05):
That's like cool. Yeah, a lot of people think.

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I've got to work with He was nice, you know,
he's he was just great. He was That whole cast
was great. I mean, granted, the only one I really
worked with was Keano, so I was more like, get
out of my way, Amy Madigan's on the Ceadelia is here,
and you know, of course, obviously no idea that Keanu
Reeves would become what obviously his life exploded into.

Speaker 2 (06:30):
Yeah, that's so crazy because eighty eight when was when
did Bill and Ted's excellent eighty eight? Oh, he was
really right starting, he was just starting.

Speaker 3 (06:39):
Yeah, well, you know that was like when I went
to college in Philadelphia. One of the guys I studied
with was old roommates with this then unknown actor called
Tom Cruise, and he had done this like what was
the football movie he did before.

Speaker 1 (06:54):
The Right Moves, all the right moves?

Speaker 3 (06:56):
He had just finished that. He came to Philly when
I was in school in Philly, Like I was hanging
out with him when we went to ihop and got
pancakes and d D DA and then all of a sudden,
Risky business was like Hugh everywhere, and I was like,
oh God, I wouldn't have pancakes with that guy. He's
really nice too, Like no clue who he was.

Speaker 1 (07:14):
That's so funny. You had pancakes with Tom Cruise.

Speaker 3 (07:17):
Many people likerawberry pancakes. I had Blueberry.

Speaker 1 (07:21):
That's amazing.

Speaker 2 (07:22):
Well, so moving on to Jason goes to Hell the
final Friday. Now, what was the audition process like for
the role of Jessica, Because we read in Crystal Lake
Memories that you originally auditioned for the role of Vicky
played by Alison Smith and also had to play Frisbee.

Speaker 3 (07:38):
Okay, so this is this is funny. Well, it's funny,
not funny. I had just moved to LA with my roommate,
my New York roommate, and my New York boyfriend, and
we signed with this agency, the Gauge Group when we
first got here, and my I didt know if I
should say their names or not. My then roommate boyfriend
had auditions for Friday the thirteenth, and my A you

(08:00):
called me and said, hey, I'm going to get you
an audition because somebody else that was supposed to audition
can't audition because she's sick and you're not really Friday
the thirteenth material anyhow, So just go audition.

Speaker 1 (08:11):
And I was like, well, look for the vote of
confidence from the beginning.

Speaker 3 (08:15):
Yeah, wow, wow with that one. And he was like, no,
don't be insulted like the girls in Friday the thirteenth,
they're all bombshells. They're all beautiful pal pow pow girls,
and I'm like, well, feeling better every minute we talk.

Speaker 1 (08:28):
Keep going, Yeah, just got need to be an inspirational speak.

Speaker 3 (08:31):
Right, throwing myself off the sign there, So I did.
I had the audition for Vicky. I auditioned for Vicki,
and then I was the only one that got the callback.
And then I went to the callback. And this is
how I remember the story. So, I mean, we're talking
thirty some odd years ago, so there could be some
creative licensing here, but this is how I remember it.

(08:53):
I went to the audition. There were several girls for Vicki,
and there were several girls for Jessica, and then there
was nobody left for Vicky but me, and like three
girls left for Jessica, and Alison Smith was not part
of that crew yet. So I'm I at one point,
you know, when you aut I don't if people know this,
but when you audition, there's a bunch of people. There's

(09:15):
usually the writer, the producer, the director, and a few
other paraphernalia people, right, So you walk into a room
and you act out whatever scene they want you to
act out, and then they usually tell you to leave
the room and then bring more people into. They kept
asking me to stay, and then at one point they
just stopped asking me to leave the room because I'd
have to leave, and like so they could talk. Well,

(09:37):
at one point, I'm listening to everything that they're saying
about what they liked about Jessica's and what they didn't like,
what they thought all that stuff, right, And so then
Sean at one point goes, what do I have her
read Jessica? And now I'm like, oh, are you kidding
me with this? So they brought in a girl that
had read for Jessica and asked her to read Vicki

(09:58):
and asked me to read Jessica. And of course I
did everything that they said they wanted to do, like
you know, the old line La Barros and Genius Steeles.
So I was like duh. And then uh, then we
had another callback, and that callback, Allison was there and
there were two other girls there that were Jessica Vicki's

(10:20):
and they were mixing and matching all of us, and
we were in a big empty soundstage in Culver City,
and they asked us to play frisbee and we were.

Speaker 1 (10:31):
Like, is there a frisbee scene in the movie.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
What I subsequently learned was Alison had cut herself so
her hand was in a cast, and Alison is petite,
I'm nearly at that time, well I'm shrinking because I'm old.
At that time, I was almost five foot eight and
Alison is like five to five. So we had a
thing big differential. And then the two other girls who
I don't remember their names, were playing frisbee and Alison

(10:56):
and I are just like killing it right, We're like,
we don't know why we're doing this, but all right, whatever. Well,
they wanted because there's a lot of running and punching
and kicking, they wanted to see if we were athletic.
That bigs so, and so the other two girls, like,
you'd throw the frisbee at them and they'd be like, oh,
you know so. So then pretty quickly Allison and I
were just like playing like, you know, flag football, frisbee

(11:19):
in this big old sound stage, laughing our heads off.
And then uh, that was that. And then I had
another callback where well, the sean said to me after
that audition, you're definitely this was a Friday too, and
this was pre cell phone, so we're talking like most
of the kids here don't even know what that means.
Pre cell phone, Like you had to wait till you

(11:41):
got home and get a landline and call your agent.
And this is like a four o'clock on a Friday,
and Sean Cunningham said, Oh, you're definitely in the movie.
We just don't know which role we want you to play,
Jessica or Vicky. And of course I was like out
of my freaking mind. I was like, are you kidding
me with this? And so I drove home and I

(12:02):
called my age and I said, I'm totally in the movie.
And then he yelled at me like, don't say that,
you know, no, that's o. There's contracts, they tell you
all kinds of stuff. That's bullshit. And I was like okay.
And then he called me Monday and he was like,
I can't believe that I'm gonna say this. You've got
the lead. And I was like, shut the fuck up.
And he's like, and you have to go in today
at three o'clock to read with the Stevens. And I

(12:25):
was like, and I didn't really have the whole script
at that point, but because I just had the roles
between me and Vicki and Vicki and I. I didn't
have any other so I didn't know what the sea.
I didn't know anything about this. I didn't know I
was Jason's niece. I didn't know anything. So I go
in and there's a whole bunch of guys there and
I walk into the room and they're like yeah, I'm

(12:45):
like yeay, And then I said, you know, there's only
three things that my mom wanted to know, like as
every mother would, do you die, do you swear? And
are you naked? And I said I don't die, I
do swear, and I'm not naked. And then they all
was like a hush, and I was like and they said,
well there's a little shower scene and da da da.

(13:05):
I'm like, oh, I don't do nu, tony. So I'm
just and I like started to get up to leave,
like clearly you're gonna not give me this joke, and
then Sean's like, oh god, don't be silly. Sat down.
So then we just started reading, and I read with
a bunch of different guys, and John and I just
it was as though we knew each other our whole lives.
So it was really clear when Sean came in and

(13:27):
like there was a little break and we were like
just chatting back and forth between each other. So that was.

Speaker 1 (13:32):
That That is awesome, you know.

Speaker 2 (13:34):
There we had talked about how IMDb trivia has a
lot of facts that aren't always correct, so wanted to
ask you one that we read that said that Lorie Holden,
who went on to star as Andrea and The Walking Dead,
was director Adam Marcus's first choice to play Jessica, but
Sean Cunningham overruled him and pushed for you to get
the role.

Speaker 1 (13:54):
Do you know if this is true? And did you
know any of this at the time.

Speaker 3 (13:57):
No clue. Actually, this is the first time I'm actually
hearing I mean, wow, you I And again I wouldn't
be surprised. I mean everybody has who they want for things. Uh,
you know, I only knew that it was ever between
Alison and I, and the reason that I got the
rollover Alison was sheer because of height. I didn't make

(14:21):
sense that I that that the lead would be petiteter
than the than the girlfriend. And I in my head thought, well, yeah,
because your backup bitch is always the one that's gonna
roll everybody exactly the ride or died, it's going to
show up with the shovel and the chainsaw and like
make the body disappear. Yeah, it makes sense that I
could be taller or bigger than she was.

Speaker 1 (14:43):
Did you did you happen to recognize her from Kate
and Ally?

Speaker 3 (14:47):
Oh? I knew her from Annie like she's like Broadway
the Longest, So yeah, of course, I mean I I
saw her as Annie, So I knew Alison like before Kate, Like,
oh now, I was totally fangirling out over her. Don't
get yourself m m so like, oh my god, I
love like you know, the total dweb.

Speaker 1 (15:07):
And at the time you were cast, did you go
back and watch any a Friday thirteenth or did you
already have seen all of those?

Speaker 3 (15:13):
No, Seemember. We're talking about like Blockbuster era, right, so
you needed to go get the It wasn't like now
where you can go and netflix it out. And I
also didn't want to see though, because I didn't want
to have any like ideas about like, oh you know,
I didn't want to. I didn't. Let's just put it
that way. I did not see any of them.

Speaker 1 (15:34):
Have you seen them since?

Speaker 3 (15:35):
Then? Well?

Speaker 2 (15:38):
Wait, wait but you and no, no, And again we
get that same sort of answer from people that have
been in this series too, or they only have watched theirs.

Speaker 1 (15:45):
Did you you were familiar.

Speaker 2 (15:46):
With what Friday the thirteenth was though, right and Jason
and all that.

Speaker 3 (15:49):
I mean, mask, I knew the hockey, mask, I knew
there was a mother issue exactly. Thank you, thanks for
putting that out. I knew, yeah, I mean, I knew
the idea of Friday the thirteenth, but I also knew
that this one was different because New Line made it
and it didn't actually have Friday the thirteenth in the title,
so there was it. I mean, I have subsequently watched

(16:11):
them now that I've met at the convention, I met
Amy and Jensen Merril, so I watched their Friday the thirteenth.
But this is God, They're terrifying.

Speaker 2 (16:22):
Yeah, I mean well, I mean the funny thing is well,
first off, going back to even if that IMDb trivia
stat is true, the fact that if it's true, is
Sean Cunningham was like the one who was really pushing
for you is such like an honor. And you know,
he's like the father of the entire franchise. So the
fact that he wanted you in that role is so awesome.
But I've got to know, when you first read the

(16:43):
full script for Jason Coast to Hell, what were your
initial reactions to the whole body swapping aspect for Jason,
And because that was really that was totally new for
the series at the time, right.

Speaker 3 (16:54):
And for me, I was like, well, again, when you
read these things and you're not familiar with the genre,
You're just like, what the fuck is this?

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Like what what?

Speaker 3 (17:06):
And like they're gonna like go after the baby, and
I'm like, this is child abuse, Like what are we doing?
So when I first read, when I first read the
full script, I actually didn't understand it, and I thought, well,
this is what directors are for, right, That's their job
is to make me understand it. And I knew I
was working with an enormous crew of people like Leslie

(17:29):
and Rusty and all these people that like knew what
they were doing, and I just thought, just show up
and do my job and just be like because my
character wouldn't know any of this either, Great, Yeah, my
character doesn't know she's related to Jason. My character doesn't know.
So I actually thought it was better that I didn't
understand it because I would just be like, wait, what

(17:51):
through the whole movie, which is pretty much what I do. Like,
I'm not going down there, and you know what do
you like? He throws the knife at me and I
catch and lick the fuck. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
No, that's so true now, and I think about it,
it's like, if you really want to be true to
your character, if your character doesn't know what's going on,
then you shouldn't either.

Speaker 3 (18:09):
Right, And so I thought it was you know, kind
of ignorance is bliss and just roll with it.

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Good. Total, No, that that makes a lot of sense.
You know.

Speaker 2 (18:17):
You also mentioned in Crystal Lake Memories that on your
first day of shooting you dropped a flashlight and it
broke your toe. How did this happen? And did they
have to push off shooting after that?

Speaker 3 (18:26):
Oh no, no, no, no. I didn't drop the flashlight.
Stephen cult dropped the flashlight. So the scene, there's a
scene in the garage where I'm going to get a
flash of the lights go down. After the shower scene,
I go into the car to get a flashlight. I
come out. Steven's like, oh and the flashlight drops. Well
it was one of those big ass industrial flashlights, right,

(18:48):
And I was barefoot and it fell on the top
of my foot and so it broke my toe. And no,
they didn't push it off. There's like the next scene
is us coming out of the house where John throws
me over his back and carries me down the driveway. Yeah,
that happened because I couldn't run down the driveway, so
John had to carry me. And I'm supposed to be

(19:09):
kicking and John is not much more tall, like he's
not much taller than I am. And they did it
like sixteen times. So the whole time, I'm like, I'm
so sorry. I'm so sorry, Like I'm like John, I'm
so sorry, because like he had to run a pretty
good distance with me over his back. No they didn't.
They didn't stop shooting at all, and like just wrap

(19:31):
my toe up and off you go.

Speaker 2 (19:33):
But like did weren't you feeling the effects of that
for days afterward?

Speaker 3 (19:36):
Like yeah, of course, But when you're on a movie
set and you've never been on a movie set, they
could probably chop your arm off and be like I'm good,
I'm good, let's go. Same thing. Like there's a scene
where I dropped down to get the dagger in the house.
I totally blew up my ankle, totally twisted my ankle
because I dropped down like nine feet. I didn't just

(19:57):
drop like I'm hanging on a set thing and then
want to get the whole dropped out.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
And then oh my god, Oh I'm so beat up
to this. I am surprised that he use a stump
woman for that.

Speaker 3 (20:09):
Uh they know, no, they they don't have stunt babies,
they don't have stunt people. Yeah, and I think it
was one of those things like I'm really tall and
it doesn't look like it's that far right, and it's
like I land and dah da da da, and it's
much easier to just have the camera follow me.

Speaker 1 (20:30):
Was that was that a real house set or was
that on a sound stage?

Speaker 3 (20:34):
Okay, no, the real No, that was all sound stage. Now,
the real house is the house that you see were
at the very end of the movie with a jungle
gym Steene And that's a real house off of Cheeseboro
and up the the freeway.

Speaker 2 (20:49):
Er like, oh yeah, well, well, speaking of that scene
where the whole flashlights and happened, even though it takes
late in the movie, you mentioned that the first that was.

Speaker 3 (20:59):
The first one stay shooting yet.

Speaker 2 (21:01):
Yeah, well, and it was opposite, Like you said, Stephen
Colep who played your TV reporter boyfriend Robert, and he's
trying to shove that big, disgusting black tongue in your
mouth because he's bessessed by Jason. So I've got to
know what did they use for that tongue and what
was it like filming that scene?

Speaker 3 (21:18):
Well, he doesn't actually, Oh my god, you know what,
I just have to remember this now, they had a prosthetic.
I don't know that I ever got that. They ever
show it coming out of his mouth towards me. I
think that that's a cheap for like the next ones,
I think that that what John's character, Stephen comes in

(21:38):
before Robert gets that far in the situation with me,
because then he goes and jumps in the sheriff's body, right,
because he goes to that, and then Edna gets her
head smashed in bright Yeah. I actually, ever, I don't
think he got to that point. I think I just
flashed the light and I go Robert, then help breaks loose.

Speaker 1 (22:01):
And you also work away. You also worked with the baby.
What was the baby? Unpredictable?

Speaker 3 (22:07):
No, Okay, here's the deal. Brooke Sheer, who played the baby,
was young. First of all, she was the cutest, sweetest
thing on the planet. It's like, was crazy and there
were no she was just like this. They had a
couple of babies, but anytime they were really working, they
worked with broke. But there is a scene where I

(22:29):
jump over a table and slide across the table and
then I put the baby down at one point and
then I go get the dagger because there was I'm like,
and that was a real baby, and I was like,
maybe we should maybe not use a real baby, and
so that was like that got changed around a little bit.
But no, she was just like this sort of like
la la la la la, the cutest thing ever.

Speaker 1 (22:50):
Now she's like, oh grown up, Yeah, that's so crazy.

Speaker 2 (22:52):
I mean because we always think like, obviously you can't
give direction to a baby.

Speaker 1 (22:55):
So it's like how you.

Speaker 3 (22:56):
Know she knew what she she well, she comes from
a family where that this isn't her blood too. So
it was funny because they're the scene with Kimp and
maybe I'm jumping ahead and you can tell me not
to jump ahead where Kip is trying to put the
thing in and it was like the shot of her
was like, oh my god, that's the coolest thing ever. Like,

(23:16):
you know, she was like six months old. I mean
she was really like I don't even know how it
developed her eyes were at that point to notice what was,
you know, happening. She just she slept and when they
needed her on set. And remember too, with babies, they
can only work like ten to fifteen minutes at a time.

Speaker 1 (23:33):
Yeah, so when she was on, she was on. Man,
I love that she was working.

Speaker 3 (23:38):
Yeah, working it well.

Speaker 1 (23:40):
So you also.

Speaker 2 (23:40):
Stayed in the book that you were kind of the
rookie on set and felt like you were going to
get fired every day? What made you feel that way.

Speaker 3 (23:49):
Because you could tastrophize. It's the it's the impostor syndrome.
Meryl Streep was one how many oscars and will turn
around and say, any day they're going to figure out.
I don't know what I'm doing right because everybody everybody
had careers, like major careers, but me, I had I
had the Prince of Pennsylvania, Thank you and good night.

Speaker 1 (24:09):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (24:11):
So you know, so there's always this like that's just
I think it's just normal. I think actors think that
way and feel that way. If you have an Oscar
or an Emmy or Tony or anything like. I just
think you feel like they're going to figure out that
I don't belong here sooner or later, and then I'm
going to get fired. But I think after the first
week you're like, well not just be really expensive to fire,

(24:32):
so careful, you know, like the other actors are like,
they're not going to fire you. You're too expensive to fire.

Speaker 1 (24:39):
At that point, we can't do reshoots. We're good kickups. Yeah,
So if it's.

Speaker 2 (24:45):
Okay, we were hoping we could ask you about working
with director Adam Marcus, because I know there were some
issues while shooting the film. To summarize just really quickly
what we learned in Crystal Like Memories, there was the
conflict overdoing nudity during your shower scene that the neck
in I think you suffered when you that wasn't really
taken seriously, and then You're agent got involved, and then
it all resulted in Sean Cunningham stepping in the direct

(25:07):
the last couple of scenes. So can you take us through,
like what really happened with all of that, just to
clear everything up and what and how did it lead
to Sean Cunningham directing those last few days.

Speaker 3 (25:18):
Okay, this is okay. This is one of those situations
where you don't learn about things until way after and
you're like, wait, what the fuck happened?

Speaker 1 (25:27):
Wait what?

Speaker 3 (25:28):
So okay, we're talking about like the last couple of
days of shooting. There is a scene where like I
roll into a tree and I hurt my neck, and
I just was like, oh, I hurt my neck. My
neck doesn't feel good. There wasn't any like catastrophic up
until the news scene never happened. Clearly, I'm in the shower,

(25:48):
I had Dixie cups on. It didn't happen. A lot
of this stuff got really like I think the game Phone,
where like one person said something, said something said something
I did not realized, Like I did get hurt a lot,
and I didn't realize. And then when I said to
my agent, like in a conversation, like I really hurt
my neck, I didn't imply, and he blew up and

(26:11):
then he got involved, and then things spiraled out and
I showed up to work and it was like I know,
you know there was some beef with Adam, but like
I didn't. I didn't know. It was like I think
it got way blown up, way bigger than I felt
at the time. I wasn't like, oh, fire him, get
him off the job. There was like three days left

(26:31):
of shooting. It wasn't like there was like it was nothing.
And I think what happened is that I think sometimes
agents get involved and they want to be big man
on campus and then all I did, you know, like
Sean was going to like direct the last couple of
days and Adam was doing something else, and that happens
a lot. You know, that happens a lot on sets
when you're doing a roll b roll where like you

(26:54):
know so and so celebrities on set, so like the
camera guy or so and so is gonna, you know,
just do get picked do these pickup shots. And there
wasn't anything major left that we were shooting. It was
just a kiss and a walk, like the scene where
John and I kiss at the very end of the
movie when they're trying to drag him into Hell, I think,

(27:16):
and then we're walking away. So it wouldn't have occurred
to me like there was some big, major problem. And
I didn't find out about this big major problem until
like two years later and the book came out. My
birthday was wrong, and I was like, oh wow, I
didn't know that was a thing. So I felt really
bad because it was never I never felt bad towards Adhaim.

(27:39):
I never thought anything. You know, he was a young
director and doing what. You know, I had no point
of reference. It wasn't like I'd been on other movies
and I can say, oh, this is a terrible director
because or this is a great director. I had no
point of reference. So's it's so unfortunate that this is
still something that's talked to me. But I think Adam

(28:01):
is great. I didn't have a problem, like you know,
I think some other people got involved and I was
just like.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
Okay, and what's your relationship with Adam? Now?

Speaker 3 (28:11):
Well, I saw I had him for the first time.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
At at Crystal Lake Nightmares.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Thank you.

Speaker 1 (28:16):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (28:16):
Yeah, about to say a different thing, and that would have.

Speaker 1 (28:19):
Been really bad.

Speaker 3 (28:22):
Yeah, And like this was the first time I saw him,
and I hugged him and I was like, hey, how
you doing. I met, you know, chatted with his wife,
and you know, it was just like a high school
reunion of sourts. Because I hadn't seen John in thirty years.
I hadn't seen Adam in thirdon Adam Marcus and Adam
or Brook or or Andy Block or Steven Williams. I

(28:45):
saw I had seen sorry saw that's well my English.
I saw Caine Hadder at another convention because I haven't
done any of these and forever and ever and ever,
and a friend was like, you should go back and
do the conventions I really find And so this was
the first. This was only the second convention I'd ever done.
Was Memories of Crystal Lake.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
Oh how lucky are I know, I'm just going to say.

Speaker 2 (29:07):
And for people listening, we got to meet in person
carry Kegan. We were very excited and that's how and
then we talked to her about getting her on the show.

Speaker 1 (29:14):
But so, yeah, yeah, I mean these.

Speaker 2 (29:16):
Convent there's so many conventions. I mean, let me tell you,
there is an audience. You could be doing this all
year round every year if you once.

Speaker 3 (29:24):
I got an agent just for that reason. Jansen and
Amy Steele were like, oh my god, because when we
did this convention, like there's you know, panels that you
do and all these you know, photo ops and all
this stuff, and I was just like, where we go, Okay,
We're going over here, ok, we're going over here. So
and it was fun because John and I just sat

(29:44):
like little, you know, because we had seen it, like
we have kids, and our kids are grown up, and
you know, our whole lives and now it's back. You know,
it's the forty fifth anniversary, and you're like, because you
don't think to yourself, who cares Like they did a
movie thirty three years ago?

Speaker 1 (30:00):
It's so awesome.

Speaker 3 (30:01):
Fourteenth people care very much.

Speaker 1 (30:03):
They do six forever. Yeah, everyone's a faithful person to
every single film.

Speaker 2 (30:08):
Yeah, it's true through the whole franchise. And like and
also I was gonna say, well, first off, thank you
so much for kind of setting the record straight on
all those things, because I know, like between IMDb books
and things, you know, they a lot with I had.

Speaker 3 (30:21):
My IMDb birthday because it says my birthday is like
a couple of years later than it actually is. I'm like, yeah,
can I have that? Can that stick? Well? My birthday
is in April and I wasn't born in nineteen sixty eight.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
I think that's so funny that, like, how does that Like.

Speaker 3 (30:37):
I don't even know anybody, Like my mother's birthday is
in April, but it's not even my mom's birthday. So
it's like this weird there was all kinds of it's
it's it's weird, like, yeah, I wasn't born in nineteen.

Speaker 2 (30:50):
Sixty eight, but I got to tell you Also, another
cool thing about conventions, like when you do these panels,
is that for every time someone asks you about this
like conflict, you can always clear you guys can clear
it out and be like, no, this isn't how it
all happened.

Speaker 1 (31:03):
Like it was a game of telephone for like thirty
some years.

Speaker 3 (31:08):
Yeah. Well and that's sad. Isn't that such a bummer? Like,
you know, that's just such a It makes me sad
in a way because it's like, you know, it was
a great experience. There is like Leslie Jordan and Rusty
Schwimmer and Alison Smith and Steven Williams, how bad could
your life have been? And Aaron Grid laughing your fucking
head off every day?

Speaker 2 (31:27):
Yeah, but you know what, like, yes, it sucks that
all these years are gone by in it and this
all was out there. But now the way I look
at it, trying to see the silver lining is that
now you have the rest of your life to set
the record straight. And have fun with these people and
not think about all of the stuff from the past,
you know what I mean, not think about the fake
controvert or the false type, but existing not existing controversy. Yeah,

(31:50):
although there is one other thing I have to ask
you about because I read that in your shower scene
you were crying because the water was so hot and
you were truly hein Is that true?

Speaker 3 (32:02):
Sort of one of the takes. It was a little
on a toasty side, but then they fixed it immediately,
so it was you know, it was not I don't
think I I was acting. See, there's this thing that
they tell you to do when you when you become
an actor, that you act and like you don't really
need to cry because the water is burning the skin

(32:22):
off your body. No, I mean see again, Like, but
that that's much more interesting that she was just acting,
isn't it.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
You mean, it's like, I'm surprised at this one. They
haven't said Adam Marcus specifically turned the temperature upon that.

Speaker 3 (32:35):
Marcus made sure that she had three degree burns. Yeah,
you know, walked in together at the at the premiere.
So if it was such a love if it was
such a hate fest, why would I have walked in
with him. Yeah, that'd been like, no fucking way.

Speaker 1 (32:53):
Yeah, that's so funny.

Speaker 3 (32:55):
If I was in such a state of like disarray
if you will, or discombobulation, or my agent was at
the premiere, why would he said absolutely not like this.
They were satan, you know what I mean, and we
were smiling and laughing. So like I guess again, like
when I heard about it some years later, I'm like, wait, what, wait,

(33:16):
what that's the thing? Like who said that? And again,
you know, I was real busy for you know, a
couple of decades doing my other life mom wife THINGA no, no, no,
that it that. I was shocked when like a couple
of you know, years ago something did you know, I'm like, oh,
who did that? Carrie? She's such a bitch, you know,

(33:37):
like and they're like, oh, that's you, And I'm like, yeah,
that none of that. That didn't happen, or at least
that's not the way I remember. If Adam remembers something
different or Sean, I'm not going to fault anybody. What
they were that certainly wasn't like what I remember.

Speaker 2 (33:49):
You said you saw Adam at the Crystal Lake Nightmares Crunching.
Did you also see Sean Cunningham?

Speaker 3 (33:53):
Did you get did Sean at Jessica Nol? I mean,
my character is named after Jessica, after Sean's gotter Jessica.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
Yeah, that's awesome.

Speaker 3 (34:03):
Yeah, And Noel was on the set, so it was
it was like they were like babies then.

Speaker 1 (34:08):
I mean it was twenty three, right, I think he.

Speaker 3 (34:11):
Turned twenty four because I was twenty six twenty so
I don't remember how old I was, but I was
I was like a couple like a year or two older.
And you know, Sean was on the set all the time. Yeah,
so you know it was it didn't occur to me
that like just didn't occur.

Speaker 1 (34:32):
Yeah, So I just have to get this straight. You've
never seen the original Fright thirteen. I'm sure I had
not miss. Yeah, with Betsy Palmer, We're gonna have to
invite you to a screening.

Speaker 3 (34:45):
Cherry.

Speaker 2 (34:46):
Yeah, I mean great films, but but yeah, the original
I will say that you'll watch in him be like,
it's so different than even the rest of the series
because there's no Jason until I mean, it's all his mother.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Isn't Amy Steele? The first one where there's Jason Mass
like the most popular Friday the thirteenth, Is it not
the one that the people that people like the most.

Speaker 1 (35:09):
One of the most popular sequel I think, you know,
it's definitely one of the.

Speaker 3 (35:12):
Top thirteenth specifically these these ones.

Speaker 1 (35:18):
Yeah, I mean people love Part two, but the mask
was introduced in Part three and three.

Speaker 2 (35:22):
D Yeah, we're giving you a nice little of one
on one on five.

Speaker 3 (35:27):
I just so that people don't like Jason Goes to Help,
they love to tell you that.

Speaker 1 (35:30):
Well, people also did not like Part five, but now
I'd say Part five and Jason Goes to Hell are
very loved because people rediscover and films tried something new,
which the other ones right, No, we're like scary driven.

Speaker 2 (35:43):
They become cult classics after time period. After that initial
like negative reaction, people start to come around do them.

Speaker 1 (35:50):
It's like in the Halloween series, there's one that has
nothing to do with Michael Meyer's Season of the Witch,
and now everyone loves Season of the Yes, yeah, yeah.

Speaker 3 (35:58):
Well I think you know it's funny because you know,
when I did the One convention last year, people would
walk home, go you know, this is the worst Friday
the thirteenth, So I've been told, but we love you,
and I'm like, well, fantastic, you know, and I get it,
like because it's the Jason isn't in it enough, do
you know what I mean? Like the masks in it
and enough. But I think there's so many Easter eggs

(36:19):
in ours. There's so many the fact that Jason kills Jason,
Like so you know, there's you know, the writer's in it,
the director's in it, Sean's in it, Adam's in it.
I mean not Sean, but Dean. Lorie's in it. Like
there's lots of like I call easter eggs, and I
think are really really fun, you know. And I always

(36:39):
joke about the fact that I'm related to Jason and
then I have stabbing issues and you know, you're like,
where is she now? She's in therapy and you know,
the daughter is stabbing issues and all the knives are
locked up and you know all that sort of fun stuff.

Speaker 2 (36:54):
So we want to play a fun little game with
you about related to your Jason goes to how Stars
where you just have to answer some simple questions. Don't worry,
it's not trivia or anything. You just have to answer
with the name of the co star who fits the
question best.

Speaker 1 (37:09):
Now again, not it's just going.

Speaker 2 (37:11):
To be a test, No, no, no, no, it's just opinion based.

Speaker 1 (37:14):
It's it's opinion based.

Speaker 2 (37:15):
It's opinions, okay, And so it can be any of
your Jason Goes to Hell co stars, But the ones
that you know you shared the most screen time with
were Stephen Colp, John d LeMay obviously you played your
ex Steven Allison Smith who played Vicki, Stephen Williams who
played Creighton Duke and Rusty Swimmer, and Leslie Jordan who
ran the diner. Among these co stars, who was the

(37:35):
biggest jokester on set while filming Leslie Leslie Jordan, that
makes sense.

Speaker 1 (37:41):
Who was the most reserved Stephen Colt Really Who flirted
the most with other people? Rusty Schwimer, That's.

Speaker 3 (37:53):
Hilarious, all flirty flirt.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Who improvised the most?

Speaker 3 (37:59):
Oh, that's I'd say, I I think that's a big
time between Rusty and Leslie and Steve it, John LeMay
and I. I think there are a lot of things
that happened that we improvised, like in the diner scene

(38:19):
when I say too, and there's bloopers that made it
in the movie. So here I'll give you a fun one.
There's in the scene where I pick up the napkins
and I swing it at Rusty. I came this close
to hitting her actual face and like I could literally
feel it clipped her nose, and you can see me go,
oh my god, Oh my god, oh my god, because

(38:39):
I was literally terrified that I nearly hit her. That
there was just my hair was a big problem on
the set because I have really curly hair, not straight hair,
and you see me rip off and put my hair
in a ponytail because hair and makeup couldn't take it
one day longer, and we shot in the summer, so
they were like, we can't with the flat iron in
between every take get her hair straight. So that's when

(39:03):
the hair went up in a ponytail. So it was
like improvising stuff like that, and Adam was really good
about that too. Like there's bloopers. There's a scene in
the car where I smashed Steven's head into the steering
wheel and there's supposed to be a pad there there wasn't.
Oh god, I rashed his head and he had like
a across his head and then you like, I go

(39:25):
to punch him and like, I got very close to.

Speaker 2 (39:28):
Actually, everybody is getting hurt on this set, got beat up.

Speaker 1 (39:35):
Oh my god.

Speaker 2 (39:35):
Okay, who had the strongest opinions about how they wanted
to play their character?

Speaker 3 (39:41):
Kip?

Speaker 1 (39:43):
Okay. Who did you hang out the most when you
weren't filming?

Speaker 3 (39:46):
John, John, and Leslie and Rusty. When Rusty and Leslie
were on set, we were like a little pod. And
then definitely Allison and John and I like hung out
like in each other's rooms or trailers all the time.

Speaker 1 (40:01):
Yeah, that's cool.

Speaker 2 (40:02):
Who did you keep in touch with the most after
the film wrapped?

Speaker 3 (40:06):
Probably John and Leslie. Leslie and I were friends, and
Rusty and I did a couple of commercials after that together,
But I would say friend. Like, who I like stayed
in contact the longest with was probably Leslie because we
lived near each other so we would see each other
a lot more. And and John. Yeah, and Alison went

(40:30):
back to New York because I think then she did
the West Wing. Well maybe that was later, I can't remember,
but yeah, Rusty, Leslie and John.

Speaker 1 (40:38):
Who do you get asked most about to this day?

Speaker 3 (40:42):
Who do I get asked kine about?

Speaker 1 (40:45):
Jason?

Speaker 3 (40:46):
Jason like, what's he like in real life? What was
he like in real life? Because when he he was
such he was so great. Like when he was in
Jason character, nobody talked to him, like he did not
interact with the cast crew. He just stayed off to himself.
But then when he was playing the FBI agent, he
was like super fun and really fun guy. He's such

(41:07):
a nice guy.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
No, I mean we've heard that from other people who've
worked with him. And moving on speaking to that big
climactic finale. Now, as I mentioned in the intro, you
know you're the one who actually sends Jason the hell
because you jump on his back from behind, you reach
over with that magic dagger, stab him in the heart.
Then you end up kicking it in to solidify it.
So how was all that done?

Speaker 1 (41:28):
Like it?

Speaker 2 (41:28):
Because you did all I take it because they weren't
stunt people. So how did they do the whole run
jump thing? Was there like a stool you jumped on?

Speaker 3 (41:36):
There is a big like what looked like a rock.
So when you see the the I don't know if
they have the far away shot, you see me jump
on the rock and come over. And Kane was you know,
he was the stunt coordinator, so everything was very choreographed.
Everything was very like what he throws me and I
go flying backwards, you know that sort of stuff. So

(41:57):
it was there's a big rock that I jump on
to stab them, and you know, obviously the knife is
not going to go.

Speaker 1 (42:05):
You didn't really stab them.

Speaker 3 (42:09):
Well, it does a little contractual retraction.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
That's cool.

Speaker 2 (42:13):
Were there any scenes you remember filming that ended up
being cut or any big changes from like when you
got the script to what ended up getting on.

Speaker 3 (42:21):
The scenes got added actually because they added the scene
on the phone with Aaron Gray and I because you
never saw Aaron Gray and I on screen together because
Aaron Gray is like five years older than I am.
So I play my mom and that was because the
person that was supposed to play my mom ended up
like pulling out very late. And I believe and I

(42:44):
hope I'm not lying because I don't want to be like,
oh my god, she's a liar. Sean and Aaron were
really good friends, and so she stepped in and you
never see us, and then there were comments about that.
So then they did a whole pickup where and my
hair was longer and blonder, so have a baseball cap
and I'm talking to her on the phone right before
she gets killed. So that got added.

Speaker 1 (43:04):
But no, I don't.

Speaker 3 (43:05):
I don't think anything was. I don't really think you
could cut anything because the script is really tight and
you have a really short window that you're filming, So
I don't.

Speaker 1 (43:16):
I don't think so, No, you know, not gonna lie.
I we do notice.

Speaker 2 (43:20):
It's like, sure, your mom really does look like you
guys are very close in age. I'm wondering who was
meant to play that part first. I'm gonna go with
Meryl Street, Yes, yes, Oh.

Speaker 3 (43:32):
My god. I don't know who was I I think
it was. I don't remember, but I remember being somebody
that was on a soap opera that would look like
they were like blonde like me and looked like my mom.
And I was like, oh god, I.

Speaker 1 (43:46):
Wish I have a hugeful for like twenty plus years.
I was gonna ask you, like, so, did you ever
get to meet Aaron Gray?

Speaker 3 (43:55):
I'm glad, Okay, Yeah, I met erin she was on set.
You know, we did the diner seeing she was on
set for the dining or scene. Oh my another again
like just such a lovely eloquent, like just eloquent. Ugh,
I mean, dear god, she's just ridiculously beautiful.

Speaker 1 (44:12):
Totally well you are, I know, so are you?

Speaker 3 (44:15):
Anyhow, I'm just say it.

Speaker 1 (44:17):
And after the movie wrapped, what was there a red
carpet premiere for the cast and crew? And how did
you feel seeing the movie for the first time on
the big screen?

Speaker 3 (44:26):
Uh? Yes, they did it at the at Chinese Theater
and it was on Friday the thirteenth, August Friday the thirteenth,
because they always premiered them on Friday the thirteenth, and
it was a big old It was like, I don't
think I even remember because I think I was so
like what is this? And people ask, oh, I do remember?

(44:47):
Was that I made the Worst dress list because my
friend and I decided that we were going to do that.
So I wore this Ola Cassini very heavy sequel dress
with converse high tops that I believed lindsay lowhand then
coffeed like ten years later is totally stole my look.

Speaker 1 (45:05):
Oh gosh, do you have a picture I want to see?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
Do you know what I Actually, I don't have it here,
like I don't have it out? Was my mom had it?
Framed and I was like so horrified by that, Like what, Like,
I'm just excited to be in the National Inquiry, like
as the worst dressed. Don't get me wrong for one
hot second, but like that she had it framed. I'm like,

(45:30):
where do you think I'm gonna hang this in my house?
Like are you? Like? That's when people say don't you
have the poster hanging in your houstan? Like have you
seen the poster?

Speaker 1 (45:39):
Would you in your house? It was such a controversial
poster because everyone was like that the alien thing. Yeah,
they were like I don't know, but I think they
it was too scary just for kids to be in
the movie theater.

Speaker 3 (45:52):
Yeah, no, I mean it's okay, this is a funny story.
Last night I went down to Orange County to go
act throwing because oh I.

Speaker 1 (46:01):
Love extra I did that for my birthday a few
years ago.

Speaker 3 (46:04):
Okay, so yeah, it's super fun. Right. So I went
to this place called Slashers because it's all horror film.

Speaker 1 (46:12):
Heard of it? Heard of it?

Speaker 3 (46:13):
Yes, went with a friend and we're checking in. You
have to sign the waiver, right, and I'm like, well,
we want to be in the Jason one and the
woman goes, well, of course you do, and I was like, okay,
that's odd. And then then you signed the waiver and
she goes, are you Carrie Keegan like the Carrie And
I'm thinking to myself, are you fucking kidding? And I'm like,

(46:37):
I'm a Carrie Keingan. I don't know if I'm what
you mean by thee. And she's like, are you in
Part nine? And I'm like, this woman was like maybe
twenty five, twenty six years old. I'm like, shut the
fuck up. How would you in God's Nate? Like, come on,
this movie was thirty three years ago. She's like I

(46:57):
just watched it like two weeks ago, and like it was.
And I just laughed because I'm thinking, when I did
the movie, and now I go to like Orange County
to Coast and Mason to like an axe throwing place.
So it's very fun. It was very fun to sign
an axe. It was hilarious.

Speaker 1 (47:15):
That's awesome.

Speaker 3 (47:17):
Can I keep one of these actses?

Speaker 2 (47:19):
I'm telling you though, Like Tim said, I mean, like
the Friday the Thirteenth fan base is so committed and
they're committed to every movie even if they don't like it,
and so like like they know, including us, like everyone
who's been in every movie.

Speaker 1 (47:33):
So I'm not surprised. Actually, such a full circle moment
for me because like I was working at a movie
theater when this movie came out and I.

Speaker 3 (47:40):
Shut up, you were not.

Speaker 1 (47:41):
Yes, I was sixteen and I told my movies you
were not.

Speaker 3 (47:46):
See what you look like Dorian Gray somewhere.

Speaker 1 (47:49):
Oh that's so sweet. This zoom is very nice.

Speaker 3 (47:53):
Oh I've seen you in real life? What no, no, okay, whatever,
we'll talk about care tell me what the beauty secrets
are there.

Speaker 1 (48:02):
But when I told my manager, I said, Jason goes
to Hell. Can't beat it was a twelve screen movie theater.
I was like, it can't be in this small theater.
It will sell out. I was like, put it in
the biggest theater right now, because it will be number
one at the box office. And my my manager's like, no,
it won't sell out. He goes, this is the ninth one.
I was like, okay, and then I was right and
I love that. Like everyone was like Tim, and I

(48:23):
was like, I know, we're like Tim, tell me what
to bet on in the horse races?

Speaker 3 (48:28):
No, san Anita telling me to del mart you can
start picking ponies for us and and money.

Speaker 1 (48:36):
I was like, this has a built in audience. You
make it, they will be there. Yeah, you know.

Speaker 3 (48:43):
I mean that is crazy because you don't realize it.
Like when when we are at a convention and somebody
comes from Sweden or Japan and like, they have your name,
want to post it note because they're waiting for that.
It is, it is. They're the coolest fans. I gotta say,
who knew?

Speaker 2 (49:00):
So I just wanted to ask, as we're talking about
the fan base and all this, why in your opinion
do you think the Friday to thirteen franchise is so
beloved among horror fans. I mean even it's been forty
five years since the original movie and is still so
beloved and still moving on with the Jason universe. Why
in your opinion do you think it is so monumental?

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Oh that is such an excellent question, and I wish
I had an excellent answer for it, other than I
think that there's something about human beings that like to
be scared, and there's something about the idea of like
camp and that sort of thing. Because everybody either went
to camp wanted to go to camp. So you're hitting

(49:39):
on all kinds of sort of touchstones, mother son issues, sex,
all that sort of stuff, and it's like, if you're younger,
you're like imagining, like what would it be like to
go to camp and be running for your life terrified?
So I think there's something about it, and I think
Sean was just really masterful about like the franchise and
the different ways the stories, the different Fridays got laid

(50:01):
out that you know, he just he had that magic
jishu if you will, that just he touched it, it
turned to gold. And I mean, like, I don't know
other franchises within the horror film that have had what eleven?
Is there eleven? Friday the thirteenth thirty?

Speaker 1 (50:15):
Yeah, twelve, Yeah, there's twelve.

Speaker 2 (50:18):
There's only one franchise that has beat it, and is
the Halloween franchise.

Speaker 1 (50:23):
It's like thirteen. It's a huge.

Speaker 2 (50:25):
I mean there, don't trust me. I love the Friday
the thirty franchise. My favorite franchise.

Speaker 1 (50:29):
I can't.

Speaker 2 (50:30):
I can't believe I'm saying this to Kerry Keegan in
one of the Friday the thirties. Is the Halloween franchise,
Like I saw the original when I was a kid,
and whatever. But between Halloween Friday the thirteenth are really
the most enduring franchises in horror, you know.

Speaker 3 (50:43):
Right, And there hasn't been anything equivalent since, Right, there's
no I know what you did last summer and you
know the conjuring and all, but they've they've never been
able to sustain forty five years. Yeah, that's I mean
in a world of AI and all kinds of effects
and all kinds of stuff that like they couldn't do

(51:05):
forty five years ago, right, like blood squirt in your
mouth versus like what they can do now. Like I
sit there and I think about all of the prosthetics
that were used in our Friday the thirteenth, from you know,
Anda's head getting smashed in and they had to sit
there with that on for hours, with straws up their nose.

(51:30):
Like I remember Leslie Jordan talking about being claustrophobic, and
they had to make a full body bust. And now
they would just take a picture of you digitally and
make it and it would match, And that was not
what they had to do back then. And you only
got one or two takes to destroy that, you know,
that object, because they couldn't make it again real quick,

(51:52):
like they can now. So like the artistry and the
effects of Friday the Thirteenths and the Halloweens is it's
so I wish that I think is the underplay of
these types of movies that people don't understand of like
how hard it is to get and recreate, recreate the
continuity of that, and how taxing it was for actors

(52:15):
at that time because you they didn't just digitalize your
face and then make a prosthetic. They used your actual
face and made a mold of you. And the time
that that took is crazy.

Speaker 1 (52:26):
Yeah, we've spoken to actors who've had to go under
the mold and put the straws up their nose. It
sounds like a claustrophobic nightmare.

Speaker 3 (52:33):
I would have been fired immediately. I would have been
like absolutely not well. And I saw that I was like,
oh god no.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
And by the way, your answer was excellent for why.
I know you said you didn't have a prepared answer,
but that makes a lot of sense for why people
are and you know, of course everyone has a different
reason for why this series is so beloved, But like
I always love hearing the people who are in it,
like hearing their thoughts on it, just because like you
were part of this thing that is endured for so long.

(53:01):
It's just got to be crazy to think that a
movie you did thirty something years ago is still being
talked about so much.

Speaker 3 (53:09):
Yeah, talked about it, and like people are interested in
like they you know, what did you think of this?
And you're like, really, okay, cool. I mean it's super fun.
I have to say, having not been in the business
for twenty plus years and all of a sudden you
go back in and you're like, it's it's really fun.
It's very flattering, and it's it's it's sweet, and the

(53:29):
fans couldn't be any more adorable, and it's really fun.

Speaker 1 (53:34):
I've got two questions. Did you get to be just Joe?
And that's way? Did you get to meet Michael be Silver? Okay,
he was the naked guy in the tent?

Speaker 3 (53:47):
Oh? Oh, I did not work that day, Michael. That's
why I'm sitting here like John diy because he picks
them up in the car.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
But working that day, oh bummer. And my next question,
what are you up to today?

Speaker 3 (54:03):
Well? That is funny. I have decided to go back
into the acting sphere. I started taking classes again. I'm
at the groundlings. I am doing a little writing. I
actually was talking with John about when it be interesting
to like have a hole, like where are they now?
Like what happened to my character? What happened to my baby?

(54:24):
What happened? Because we are like I think it might
be really fun to do like some sort of like
Final Girls support group, Like you know, Jamie Lee Curtis
is the head of the support group, and like you know,
we meet on Sundays, not Friday the thirteenth, or not
on Halloween. And you know, I think there could be
a lot of something can't be in fun that could
be done in this. So I'm just sort of like,

(54:48):
you know, I'm an empty nester now, kind of hanging
out figuring out, like what's that next chapter look like?
And so let's let's see what this what this could
do now that it's a really fun place to be.
It's like getting to be a teenager all over, except
with a lot more wisdom.

Speaker 2 (55:04):
Yeah, well, I mean, and so of course it sounds
like I know the answer is question, but we were
going to ask if the Powers that be ever wanted
you to reprise the role of Jessica in a New
Friday the thirteenth film.

Speaker 1 (55:14):
Would you be up for it? Well, yeah, one hundred percent.

Speaker 3 (55:18):
I think it'd be hilarious. Like I always joked like,
could you imagine if, like Jessica was dating, Like, let's
say Steven and Jessica didn't work out. She's in the
support group guy like, and then he took me to
a hockey game. Can you believe it? He took me
to a hockey game because she gets triggered by a
mask or knives, like, you know, like the daughter, you know, Yeah,
I had to go down to Brook you know, down

(55:38):
to baby's school because you know, she pulled out a
knife again, because I mean think about it, I'm related. Yeah,
so there's got to be some jacked up jeans going
on in there.

Speaker 2 (55:49):
I would love And let's cast the girl who actually
was your baby in that way.

Speaker 3 (55:54):
He walked John and I walked up to her at
the convention because she was at the convention and we
were like, okay, so tell us about your life choices.
What are you doing? Do we need to like have
a parental intervention here? And like we just had the
We had so much fun with that because literally I
think I saw her I think I saw her she
was like twelve or thirteen at something, and then like

(56:17):
now she's like you know, she's like, yeah, she's in
her thirties. She's like, oh, grown up. So it's really fun.

Speaker 1 (56:23):
How does she answer questions now after? So what was
it like shooting? I mean, because she can't remember, like you.

Speaker 3 (56:28):
Couldn't have so much fun with that? She'd say, well, therapy,
I learned that, I you know, like she can. I
would like I would sit calmbat to know and if
I were hurt, like well, you know when they were
doing my close up and I was like, wrong side
because now you could do all those things with babies, right,
like you see those memes where babies walk around going
I'm calling Grandma. Yeah, she could have been like I'm

(56:51):
walking off this set like she could have had a
blast with that.

Speaker 1 (56:55):
And did John ever talk about his right thirteenth days
on the TV series because he didn't know answer.

Speaker 3 (57:00):
We you know, it was funny because I remember him saying,
have you ever seen the series? I'm like no, and
then we've just like.

Speaker 2 (57:07):
It had nothing to do with the movie, so it
wasn't like anything related yet it's a title, Yeah.

Speaker 3 (57:12):
It's a title, and I think to like his girlfriend
at the time and my boyfriend at the time, the
four of us all became really good friends. So there
were so many more things to talk about than that.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
Not cursed antiques. Yeah not not what too hard nerds
would ask him about. You can't believe it. If only
we knew you then, exactly. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (57:31):
So we have one final question for you, Carrie, And
you've been so great, Thank you so much for just
everything that you have talked about and shared with us
about this movie. And we asked this question to everyone
we interview, and it's going to put you on the spot.

Speaker 1 (57:45):
But what is.

Speaker 2 (57:47):
Tests I know, I know, what is just one thing
that you can tell us about your experience working on
Jason Goes to Hell the Final Friday that you've never
told any other interviewer, podcaster, convention, Q and a publication.

Speaker 1 (58:01):
Just one thing.

Speaker 2 (58:02):
It doesn't have to be big and gossipy and to
be scandalou unless you want it to be. Or it
can just be a small detail that you've just never
talked about because he didn't think people gave a shit.
But like anything, just one thing that you've never told
anyone about your experience working on this movie.

Speaker 3 (58:17):
I gained twelve pounds. Craft Services was my friend, and
I had to go off a size of Joppers towards
the end of the movie. So there you go.

Speaker 1 (58:27):
I love my well, a lot of people love Craft
Service because it's like it's horrible.

Speaker 3 (58:32):
It is the greatest, worst thing ever. They start walking
around with this food at like three o'clock and then
we shot at night, so we shot all night long.
So and Craft Services, I mean, they were amazing. Obviously,
if I gained twelve pounds and I was running around,
it probably wasn't twelve pounds. That's probably an exaggeration, but
I gained weight. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (58:53):
When was the last time you saw the movie?

Speaker 3 (58:56):
Oh? Oh, I know, I was about to lie. Uh uh.
In twenty twenty three, they did a screening of it
at the Montabon Theater on the rooftop and I was
a special guest for that. Oh so I saw that.
I saw them with it. Yeah. I think one of
my daughters saw it for the first time then too.

Speaker 1 (59:14):
What did she think?

Speaker 3 (59:16):
They think? Like, wait, what that's my mom? Like like
you were caught at one point, like.

Speaker 2 (59:23):
What you know?

Speaker 1 (59:25):
Yeah, that's awesome. Ye oh, I love you and you
know what it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (59:29):
It's not that crazy to think about because like craft services,
you're having constant like meals and everything you want to eat,
So of course you're gonna park me guy.

Speaker 3 (59:36):
Just the meals. They walk around with snacks, like they
make chocolate chip cookies and cappuccinos and popcorn balls, and
like you grow up thinking, oh, I'm rude if I
say no, And I used to say, how are actresses thinned?
When all you do they're just feeding you and you're
and if you've never made a movie, it's hurry up
and wait, yeah, get you in makeup, get you in

(59:57):
the Then forty five minutes it's for lighting, and there's
smoke machines into this and then that, and then you're
actually on the set for like forty five seconds because
you say three lines of dialogue and then you go
away till they do the next setup. And then they're
just feeding you while you're sitting around doing nothing.

Speaker 1 (01:00:14):
So it's glamorous.

Speaker 3 (01:00:15):
Yeah, it's so glamorous.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
You're eating popcorn balls, you're waiting. My weakness is chocolate
chip cookies, like I know, and like.

Speaker 3 (01:00:25):
This woman made these chocolate chip cookies with walnuts in them.
With a sprinkle of cinnamon that you were like, is
this is my office the greatest thing ever? And you're
like one, I'll take ten, and then you go get
the big old glass of milk and you're off to
the race.

Speaker 1 (01:00:39):
Yeah. Oh my god, that sounds like heaven.

Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
It was really. People say, what's the greatest part about
being an actress? Somebody does your hair, your makeup and
they feed you. Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:00:48):
I meant to talk.

Speaker 3 (01:00:50):
For a couple of minutes, and then they fix your hair,
your makeup and they feed you more.

Speaker 1 (01:00:54):
Wait, your hair looks beautiful. Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:00:59):
Well well I didn't even have anybody to do it.

Speaker 2 (01:01:02):
You're like, yeah, wow, well, Carrie, thank you so much
for taking the time with us.

Speaker 1 (01:01:07):
We've had that. You are so much fun. Like I seriously,
we like I want to go and like hang out.

Speaker 3 (01:01:12):
Oh I feel like throwing. We'll talk off camera, man
will go axe throwing. Oh my god, I.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Want to go to that slasher's place now you mentioned it.

Speaker 3 (01:01:24):
Oh my god, you'll jump in my jeep. We'll all
go together. We'll make a party of it.

Speaker 1 (01:01:28):
That sounds amazing.

Speaker 3 (01:01:30):
Oh my god, I said it. You guys all you
people just heard what they said, right, they no take
sea vaccies now.

Speaker 1 (01:01:35):
Yeah, really very good accent.

Speaker 2 (01:01:37):
He was.

Speaker 1 (01:01:38):
He is really good because he was at my birthday.
Maybe it's my gay limpris. Who knows.

Speaker 3 (01:01:43):
No, you got to keep that ship square. I didn't
with the big acts last night. I was like the
first time I did, it was like a bullseye bullseye bulls.
Yesterday I was like, like, you know, you're trying to
oppress some people. They're like, yeah, you've got nothing, you
got no game. Early then they gave you the big
old double handled. I was doing this, I was like, Oh,
there's my party, that's my jam.

Speaker 2 (01:02:03):
You know what I think is funny is that they
limit the amount of drinks you're allowed to have like
while doing it, at least at the.

Speaker 1 (01:02:08):
Place I want to.

Speaker 3 (01:02:09):
I don't mean I don't I don't drink, but like,
you know, drink a non alcoholic being our diet coke.
But because you know, when you're handling weapons together.

Speaker 2 (01:02:18):
You get exactly So my birth there was like, okay,
we get like two drinks each. And I totally understand
why because we're holding axes.

Speaker 3 (01:02:25):
Yeah, when you're holding a weapon, like you know, you
don't like, oh you get all I love you know.

Speaker 1 (01:02:32):
I got you get all Jason is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:36):
I don't ask Jason. I stab him. So I was
a little out of my out of my you know,
my weaponry.

Speaker 1 (01:02:41):
Did you get the Yeah? Did you get to keep
the dagger?

Speaker 3 (01:02:45):
No? Got it? I try to steal one of the
mock ones. But that's actually real quick. That's a really
funny story because when Steven Williams first threw it to me,
I was holding the baby and it was real knife
that he threw and I was like, hey, you know what,
we're gonna put the baby down. So then you used
to be turned around to put the baby down. Benny
throws it, which was I was very, very lucky that

(01:03:09):
my eyehand coordination is as good as it is, because
I caught both of them on the first try that
I couldn't catch them again.

Speaker 1 (01:03:14):
Oh good they God, I have to.

Speaker 3 (01:03:16):
Catch them like this, right, I have to catch it
past me and then you know there's glass and one
of those broke one of the windows right away, right
into the window, and we're like, okay, that's a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:03:28):
Well what if you would so it was a real
knife you had to catch, Well, what if you would
accidentally grab the blade part you would have sliced your hand.

Speaker 3 (01:03:36):
Like anything from I'm just saying, you know, there was
a reason I dated a quarterback in high school. I
got real good with the you know, real good to
catch the things on. But yeah, no, it was well,
there was like these are the things that you go
exactly exactly what would have happened if she grabbed the
blade instead? But no, we thought that one.

Speaker 1 (01:03:57):
Throw like, we're good, she'll catch it.

Speaker 3 (01:04:00):
Finger off, It's all right, she's.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Got nine others.

Speaker 3 (01:04:04):
Don't miss, don't go, don't miss. And I'm like, oh, okay,
you know, and I mean like they tossed it like
in a way that I could create. I mean, we
practiced with a piece of wood. I didn't even think
about that now I know that.

Speaker 2 (01:04:20):
I mean, that's the first thing I would think about.
I'd be like, no, let's see the.

Speaker 3 (01:04:23):
Actress and he goes, I'll do whatever, what do you
what do you want? I can do what I can
catch it, catch it with my teeth.

Speaker 1 (01:04:28):
Okay, catch with a double Yeah I know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:33):
Well, yes, well, we definitely want to stay in touch
at Carrie, And thank you so much again for your
time for talking about all of this. It makes our
day to like get to talk to you about this movie.

Speaker 1 (01:04:44):
We're big, big fans, so thank you such a big fan.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
You guys a great day.

Speaker 1 (01:04:49):
Okay, we'll take care. We'll talk soon. Okay. Bye. Thanks
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