HBCU Sports Live: The Celebration Bowl is set

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Speaker 1 (00:00):
I don't know about y'all, but the most important thing
I learned from the weekend is sign your kids up
to play baseball because in the end you may get
paid for it. Yes, gracious, that's too much money. But anyway,
we're gonna talk football here tonight. Welcome to our show.
I'm Kendrick. That's Jed Hoffman. You got Chris Stevens, who

(00:23):
is the mere representative of what now.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Six and two on your head top. We're going for
lucky number seven this weekend. Let's go South Carolina State.
Of course, my school has now been nowhere near the
Celebration Bowl, but I'm gonna be at a little.

Speaker 1 (00:34):
All the same, and won't ever be near that game
as long as he will ever be part that game
at third.

Speaker 3 (00:43):
I mean, I don't know. I mean, if Ray Lewis,
if Ed Reid, if they all you know, rewind back
twenty years, you know, and go back into or thirty
years when they were in college, you know, maybe you know,
maybe Delaware State.

Speaker 2 (00:57):
I'll have a shot, you know, no blood, if that's
all right. Every dog has his day, the sun, the sun,
this sundow shine forever. But as long as here we
might as well shine together. Whatever, we're gonna do it.

Speaker 1 (01:08):
And we got camera shot here today the boss. What's
up man? How you doing?

Speaker 4 (01:12):
I'm doing good man? The rounds one yesterday, all's good
as good and you see my Bills beat the Bills.

Speaker 3 (01:23):
Exavier Smith both on that.

Speaker 1 (01:27):
Yeah, have you seen my little hairline? Yeah, my team
just wasted everybody's time. Yesterday in California is.

Speaker 4 (01:36):
A good day. Yesterday, it's a good day.

Speaker 1 (01:39):
Saturday was good when I Sunday. For me, there's been
this entire football season.

Speaker 4 (01:45):
And I will say this before we start. I will
say this now. You know, my son might be in
a foul move by the end the night because Cowboys
are playing so cow Boys. We'll see how that turns out.

Speaker 1 (01:59):
This what it always turns out with an l on
National TV.

Speaker 4 (02:02):
Two game winning streak right now, right, you know, so
they're doing the very best they can. Don't you give
you a golf platform?

Speaker 3 (02:14):
He said, two game winning streak like they just made
it to the NFC Championship game.

Speaker 4 (02:18):
Hey, hey, for the Cowboys. The struggle is very real.

Speaker 1 (02:22):
Cowboys and a graphic in the hunt, Hey yeah, there's
and then the wild card. They're in the hunt barely Yeah,
so we're gonna talk celebration ball was gonna come up
this Saturday. Quick turn around for the SWACK champs, a
long way off for the MIAC champs. We're gonna get
in there too. Were also gonna talk a little bit

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of no college basketball at the end of the show,
and then we're gonna talk about all these black college
football openings that are out and some candidates who would
be good fits for them courtesy of our friend Jared Hoffman.
But first we're gonna get into the game has been set.
Jackson State winners of the SWACK Championship on Saturday. They

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beat Southern Up pretty good, forty five to thirteen or
whatever score was. It was a lot. They're gonna play
against South Carolina State on Saturday at Mercedes Ben Stadium
down in Atlanta, Georgia. It'll be a rematch of the
twenty twenty one game with South Carolina State, one in
a soccer or for JSU. I have a feeling this

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game is gonna be just as exciting as the first
one was, and the matchups for this one. Going do
a little bit of research about it. The pretty evenly
matched teams just looking by the numbers, but on game
day that all could change from that for sure. Going
to South the numbers a little bit. Both teams have
two losses Jayshu has o elepic wins on the season.

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Both teams are high powered offenses, with South Carolina State
scoring a little bit more points in that state. Both
played really good defense Jashue the number two defense ranked
in the swack Side Carolina State the number two rank
defense in the MIAC. South Carolina State, you know, passing
the ball a little bit better than Das State does.

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The disparity might be in the running game with Jesu
led by Earth Mulligan, the Spike Player of the Year
leads the way for their rustling tact with over twenty
yards a game. In South Carolina State that they kind
of have a more complimentary type of offense a little
under heard the see yards rushing per game. The stats
don't tell everything in this one, but it do tell something.

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So Fellers, what do we make of this matchup six
days before the game is being played?

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Started with Chris Well, for me, it's really going to
be a matter of something that we'll discuss a little
bit later on, is just how quickly Jackson State can
rebound from the Swag Championship game. And no, it wasn't
one of those hearts stopping down to the last second,
you know, use up all your timeouts deals. But it
was a war of attrition all the same. I mean,

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we saw that Jacobean Morgan win. Now, even Zion McDonald,
the backup QB, he was cramping up pretty bad. They
carried him off the field the second time around, like
the like the like people carry their drunk friends out
the bar. Apparently he's in good shape to go. I mean,
I mean, look, I mean, he didn't look that bad.
But Jackson State, you know, went through a lot to

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win the Swack Championship, and I don't think TC and
his guys would have it any other way. But you know,
Carolina State has not played a football game against anyone
other than themselves and going on twenty one days, and
that means something.

Speaker 4 (05:32):
So if if.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Jackson State, you know, falls behind early, it won't be
a surprise. But it wouldn't be a surprise either either
if they came back and won that game. But the
matchups to me, are fairly even. I do like that.
I do think if Jackson State can establish the run early,
then that couldn't force South Carolina State to speed things
up a little bit and that's not something they want
to do. So if irv. Mulligan gets on track, that's

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a very good sign for the Tigers. But overall, very
much looking forward to the matchup. It's the one I
said that we needed that on once we figured out
this South Carolina it was gonna be the classer to
me act. Anything other than Jackson State in this game
would have been a disappointment quite frankly, No disrespected Bramley
or anyone else. But this is the one. This is
the game that we needed to see. This is the
one that the people you know wanted to see, and
we're gonna get it on Saturday, December fourteenth. Very much

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unk forward to it.

Speaker 1 (06:19):
Yeallo, Kashaw won this game very very badly. So what
do you make of the matchup? In the swax chance
to get a little bit closer in the in the
celebration both series.

Speaker 4 (06:36):
Let's go Tigers. I mean the reason I mean, I
know we're gonna have a more robust conversation about you know,
the logistics of the celebration bawl a little later. So
I don't want to go too far off off the subject.
But all I'm saying is is that this is one

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game that I really want to swack to win for
an reasons and I'll just save I'll save my thoughts
for a little later.

Speaker 1 (07:07):
Okay, get helping your thoughts on the matchup.

Speaker 3 (07:11):
I think the biggest thing that stands out to me
is the contrast in Jackson State's offense this year compared
to the last time they played South Carolina State in
the Celebration Bowl in twenty twenty one. On that team, obviously,
you had Shador Sanders with you know, Warren Newman, Wi

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Malaki Widman and those receivers, Travont Rutger and those receivers,
and they were a heavy pass offense, you know. So
the in South Carolina State was a team who throw
out off its corners, you know the Kobe Durant, Kobe
Durant who now plays for the Los Angeles Rams and
those that team of defensive backs shut down their passing game.

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This is a completely different game plan this time and
a round with you know Jackson State, you know, primarily
using this running game with Mulligan and Travis Torrel Junior.
So in South Carolina State being a team who thrives
off its defensive defensive line with the Shod Hall and
Aaron Miller and Jaden Brogton. So I think that that's

(08:15):
the biggest thing that stands out to me about this
game is how the game plan is seemingly shift shifted
for both teams. Where they go from South Carolina State
goes from trying to stop the heavy pass attack from
Jackson State to now they're trying to stop the run
game from Jackson State, where as in twenty twenty one
they want it Jackson State to run, you know. So,

(08:35):
I think it's going to be a very interesting game
that these two teams are definitely better to me than
the last time they face each other in the Celebration Bowl,
and it's more evenly matched than the last time they
faced each other in the Celebration Bowl. Obviously, Jackson State
was the favorite the last time they faced each other.
There's no favorite in this one. There's probably if there

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is a favorite, it's a minus point five. There's no
more than a touchdown. There's no more than a touchdown
difference between these two teams. To me, We'll see how
it plays out on Saturday, but this there's no team
that has a significant advantage in terms of talent.

Speaker 1 (09:17):
Yeah, for me, Like it's gonna come down to what
it always comes down into these games, who controls the
line of scream engine. The MIAK has won these games
in the past. It says for last year because their
defensive line dominated the offensive line of the SWAT representative
for the JSU, or whether there was all Corn State,

(09:37):
where there's any other opponent playing that game, and that
the state lost the first time aroundgainst South Carolina State
because officer line could not predict to dore standards. He
was harassed the entire game, he was sacked multiple times,
hit multiple times, just couldn't get that high teamed passing
game going. The same way happening in twenty twenty two
with North Carolina Central. They also I made the offensive

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line as well for GIA State and also they were
able to run the football effectively. What we thought was
a really great that said the defensive front. So whoever
controls the line of scrims in this one, And it
would appear because the state has a better running game
that they would have that advantage, But in these type
of games, you really don't know how it's gonna all
shake out. So my thing is which ever line plays

(10:21):
better is going to win this football game. It's has
shown the years past. One of the side storylines of
this football games. It has been the last couple of years.
We talked about it earlier. The MIAC has a six
to two advantage in this Celebration Bowl. In one theory
to explain kind of what that is, it's because the

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MIAC has had either two or three weeks prior to
playing the SWAT Championship in that game. This season is
being unique because there is no break for the Swack champion.
Because the schedule for the Celebration Bowl and all bowl
game in general has changed because of the expanded college
football playoffs which is now twelve teams, and that means

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the Bowl skeds Guy changed around a little bit. So
that means the Bowl has been moved up one week
to December fourteenth instead of the third Saturday in December,
and that means YESU has to play this five championship
game and immediately pivot to preparing and trying to get
healed up in time to play a football game and
about a week's time. And so Tennis Barry owns yesterday's

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Telebvision Bowl Coaches call with the national media. He was
asked whether or not his ball club had an unfair
advantage being off for three weeks or in the state
had no time at all to try to heal up
and prepare for this game. And this is what he
said about that.

Speaker 5 (11:51):
You know, my job is to play the people that's
on our schedule, you know, get our football team ready
to go. And we played a really good schedule versus
really good opponents. And you know, our conference, to me
at is a tough conference. You got an opportunity to
see our conference this year very very competitive, not only
in our conference, but when we play teams out of

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conference as well. So you know, the layoff means absolutely
nothing to me. Man, We're gonna prepare every day like this,
you know, to try to go one and oh man,
you know, I'll tell you what the layoff did help
us get get healthy, you know, because we played a
lot of games this year and we were banged up
football team as we got late. But nobody makes excuses
of explanations in this game. You gotta line up and

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make sure your team's ready to go. But I don't
look at it as a as an advantage or disadvantage.
We just gonna play the teams that's on our schedule.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Those were changed. Various comments about the response to asked
being really or not had an unfair advantage in that game?
So it fell us where we make up a no
camerasci has been very passionate about this last couple of
years about the squash champion not having the same amount
of time of prepares to me at champion. What do
you make of Bario's comments and kind of like how
they plan to hold debate.

Speaker 4 (13:07):
Two? You want to go first? Oh, well, first of all,
this is this is what we're talking about now, and
this is my first time seeing a video. But we
probably should have reported that Frederick Douglas was president for
the press conference. Oh god, but I'm just saying, uh huh,

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Frederick Douglas was president for the press conference. But no,
what what I mean? What is what is s Sheennesbury
supposed to say? I mean he, in fairness, he didn't
make the schedule. All he does is just coach the
schedule or the game or prepare for the game that

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that's before. This isn't on Shennesbury. And you know I
would I imagine that TC Taylor. I think I recall
what he said about this too, and you know, I mean, look, man,
it's there. They have no control over the schedule. All
they can do is just coach the game that that

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that's that's before them, and that's where we are now. However,
with that said, anybody who thinks, especially this year now
and let me put this in proper perspective, because I
don't want to. I don't want to get too long
in this and I don't want to constantly be labor

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this as well. When the when the Celebration Bowl was
initially presented, it was understood and understandably, so, you know,
the SWACK accepted the fact that, yeah, we've got this
SWAC championship game and we're gonna have two weeks to
prepare for the Celebration Bowl. In previous years as opposed

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to the MIAC champion that could have anywhere from three
and then if I'm not mistaking some months, four weeks
almost like a month. Okay, and that's fine. We can
accept the two week break. That's understandable. But this year,
in what is for the most part and for all
intensive purposes, the de facto HBCU National championship game. I'm

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telling you guys right now, of all of the postseason
games that are going to be played from now until
the final of the finals of the College football Playoffs,
every single team, every single team that participates in either
of those playoff games or in the ball games, with
the exception of Jackson State, will have had at least

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two weeks to prepare for the ball game. Jackson State
will be the only team in Division One not to
have at least two weeks to prepare for a postseason game. Now,
I get it. It was it was a terrible situation,
and you had to make these exceptions. However, you know,

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we were told, well, you know, yeah, college football playoffs
being what it is, I get it. You know, well,
we had to put in consideration in Georgia High School Plaoffs,
which by the way, is going to be played during
the weekday. There is nothing scheduled to to There are
no games or any events scheduled the Mercedes been Super
Super Bowl Super Dome shit Mercedes Benz Stadium in Atlanta

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for December twenty first, when this game could have been played. Now,
I get it. There's an NFL schedule, there are the
the the I guess what's at the first or the
second round of the playoff games. Those games are going
to be on TNT. And I understand that TV matters,

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and I understand that the Celebration Bowl is a made
for TV event, but damn. I mean, I made the
argument and people thought I was tripple when I said
this before, But I mean there is a certain element
of player safety that you still have to put in consideration.
If this is supposed to be a made for TV event,

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then at the very least, you will want the key
players to be at their very best, you know, from
physically physically optimal to play for this game. I'm not
sitting here telling you that I've got the answers, but
all I can say is this ain't it. This ain't it.

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And I understand no one had any idea that the
College football the Playoff would expand the twelve teams and
the dynamics. No one had the foresight to see that,
But I don't care. Something could have been done, something
better than what we have right now could have been done.
So I'll leave it at that. I'm not going to
sit up here and try to make excuses for Jackson State,

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but We've had college administrators to make the same argument.
So while yeah, those teams have got to go out
and play, we don't know. I'm not saying that Jackson
State has had a disc I'm not saying that they're
gonna lose or whatever the case may be. Lord knows,
I don't want that. I am a Swack graduate. I

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am supporting the Swack institution. I support the Swag school
that represents the Swag in the celebration boat every single year,
regardless of who it is. But this, of all years,
is the year that I really and truly hope Jay
State wins this game because of the And I don't
want to say it's BS. I get it, it's a lot,
it's a lot to have to navigate through. But there's

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still there is something about this that just isn't right.
And at the very least, I'm going on record to
say it. I said it before the season started, I'm
gonna say it now, something about it isn't right and
about it needs to be done so that this isn't
a situation or the case next year. I'm done.

Speaker 1 (19:07):
What John Grant mentioned when he announced this that he
wanted to protect the integrity of the Celebration Bowl being
the standalone football game of the Bowl season in the
twelve o'clock noon time slot. Wanted to maximize that as
much as possible, so that's why the game was moved
up the week to protect that. But it came with
some consequences because like the Squat Championship game played a

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week earlier, because how the Squatch schedule is, it definitely
impacts the Swatch champion. We will see an impact the
Swatch Champion this Saturday. It's unfortunate because jas State has
a couple of players. They're quarterbacks who suffered injuries during
the Stampson game. We was telling who are now all right?
I'm prossly trying to heal up. You're trying to play

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a football game in a week's time instead of maybe
having two weeks to heal up and prepare. They don't
have that anymore. So what aspects that football team? All
I will say is this, I I.

Speaker 4 (20:03):
Respect the argument of wanting to make sure that as
many people get a chance to watch the Celebration Balls
as as possible. I had The thing is I had
a conversation with John Grant during the SWACK media day
and we talked for We had a lengthy conversation. I

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interviewed him and then we we even talked about it
a little bit, and you know, and he made me
where So I understand, in fairness of John Grant, this
was not an easy decision to make. But all I
will say is simply say is this that while those
while those games are being played on T and T,

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aren't they on.

Speaker 1 (20:45):
T and T? Yeah, first war, I give it. On
T and T.

Speaker 4 (20:48):
While those games are being played on T and T,
ABC is going to be airing something. They're gonna be
airing something. Something's gonna be on while those games are on.

Speaker 1 (20:58):
But a a around at one o'clock timeslot on that Saturday,
that's an NFL game on NBC.

Speaker 4 (21:04):
ABC is going to be airing something while those games
are being played.

Speaker 1 (21:09):
But I don't think NBC, I don't think ABC want
to go against an NFL football game on.

Speaker 4 (21:13):
ABC is going to be airing something while those games
are played. Doesn't matter.

Speaker 1 (21:19):
Everybody's gonna be airing something.

Speaker 4 (21:22):
But I'm just saying, I'm just saying, I'm that's just
the argument that I'm trying to make.

Speaker 1 (21:28):
If you're ESPN, you're not gonna put one of your
premier bowl games to the early season up against the
NFL playoff game or NFL game, You're gonna just tank
the viewers it for that.

Speaker 4 (21:40):
I'm glad you called it a premier game, Kendrick, because
you know they've got the Kamillia Bowl that's gonna be
coming on and people can't wait to see the damn
Camellia Bowl. I know I don't see that game, but no, no, no,
But what I'm saying is I did go to the
I went to the website of ESPN Events and they

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aren't airing any games on that weekend. So okay, I
get it. And I'm not sitting up here trying to
tell you that I have the answers. I don't. All
I know is is that something about this situation right
now with Jackson State. It's not right. I don't have
the answers.

Speaker 3 (22:21):
I know.

Speaker 1 (22:22):
It's mc clennon does. And it's what he said. He
was asked about this last year as Swack Media Day,
and he said, are not being able to win the
Celebration Bowl is a product of our regular season, where
eight games are played per team, or five indivisional playing
three non conference games, there are no weeks off. You
can't look ahead, you can't study who that meat winner

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was because you have the contents tray on the next week,
the Conforence Championship game. Then come a traight on this
other base of bowl. So mclein's pretty much saying like,
because of the way the Spas seat is set up
where there's pretty much no breaks the second half of
the season, like they don't have whoever the champion is
does not have the time to prepare like the MEAC
champion has had in the past. So Chris Jared set

(23:06):
it straight here, what do y'all think?

Speaker 4 (23:07):
But but let me but but again, let me just
add to that point though Kendrick, his point was valid then.
But what I'm saying is is that it's even worse now.
It's gotten worse for the swag he had, he had
a week to prepare, he had a week off. He
made that statement last year. It's gotten worse since then.

(23:29):
That's that's the only point. I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (23:31):
Go ahead, So I want to address a couple of
points in the chat really really quickly. Let's see, uh,
let me see if.

Speaker 4 (23:43):
I can find it. Okay, here we go.

Speaker 2 (23:47):
That game has been in place, pre dating the Celebration Bowl,
pre pre pre predating the Swack Championship Game, pre dating
the FCS playoffs as a whole.

Speaker 4 (24:00):
You know what, And if you're gonna make that argument,
you can also have to throw in Alabama State with
the Turkey Day Classic as well. Yes, I mean you
can't just granted it's not a conference game, I get it, But.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Yeah, you can't just lay the blame at the feet
of Southern and Grandley who have been playing this game
since nineteen seventy four. I mean what I mean, are
you and it's been Thanksgiving weekend every weekend since nineteen
seventy four.

Speaker 4 (24:26):
Note there have been some exceptions. There have been some exceptions.
There have been some exceptions. As a matter of fact,
the year that Grantley played Boys You Stay in the
first round of the playoffs, that was only possible because
the Bayou Classic was played the week before. And well,
the years that the grandmar played Boys You Stayed one
year and they played Arkansas State the Reason and they

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played Steven M. Foston, those games were possible because the
Bayou Classic was played the week before, And if I'm
not mistaken, was due to scheduling reasons when during the
time when Tulane was playing their home games at the
foot Bawl. But still to that point though, the swack
signed off on this with the understanding that they had

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at least two weeks to prepare and so, and what
I'm saying is Charles McClellan made this, made the argument then,
and which was fine because keep in mind when when
when the Celebration Bowl was proposed, which was the brainchall
by the way, he had commissioner then at the time, Thomas,
Dennis Thomas, which he will gladly tell you was his idea.

Speaker 2 (25:31):
The one.

Speaker 4 (25:33):
He had by a lot of a lot of the
schools weren't on board with this. They were not on
board with it.

Speaker 1 (25:41):
Buddy p was at.

Speaker 4 (25:44):
It right And when Rod Broadway finally had an opportunity
to say it, he was like, this is it. And
when North Carolina Central, uh who's the uh me?

Speaker 1 (25:56):
Just uh.

Speaker 4 (25:59):
No, No Carolina Central coach he's now with kinnessas State
Jerry Mack when he was the head coach there, he
too admitted, if I had to choose between the Celebration
Bowl and the playoffs, I take the Celebration Ball. And
like you said, buddy Peugh finally made it when he
when he had a chance to experience like yep, and

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that check is pretty nice too. So look that what
I'm saying is, man, it's a beautiful thing. The Swack
has accepted the fact. Give us the two weeks and
we're good. Mix still had the advantage with the extra week.
But okay, that's fine.

Speaker 6 (26:35):
But now.

Speaker 4 (26:38):
It's a week and I don't know what the status
is of of the of of the the two quarterbacks
at Jay State. But McCoy and uh morgan donald McDonald,
who was it that got hurt Morgan and McDonald, morgan McDonald.
I'm just saying you it may not be, it may

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not necessarily be anything major, but I'm sure as hell
guessing that it would be nice to have two weeks
to prepare as opposed to a week. And in a
situation like that, when you got two quarterbacks, your quarterback won,
the quarterback two banged up, you'd like to have an
extra week to give him a chance to heal. So

(27:20):
you know, I'll leave it at that. But so for
those of you are making this argument that has always
been that way, Yes, but the Swack never had a
situation where they're playing for the Celebration Bowl with with
with a week to prepare it for it.

Speaker 2 (27:35):
That's never been a case, not even a full week.

Speaker 4 (27:37):
It's not even right with with travel and everything else.
I mean, look, man, it's a big deal. It's a
big game. It's a big deal. And like I said,
Jackson State will be the only team playing in the
postseason playoffs aside and even then, whoever makes the playoffs
in the f whoever makes the final the FCS playoffs, Hell,
they're going to get two weeks to prepare or three

(27:59):
weeks depending on and it's a long time. It'll be
probably North Dakota State in South Dakota whoever, but.

Speaker 1 (28:07):
It'll you know.

Speaker 4 (28:08):
But but they'll have at least two weeks to prepare
for that game.

Speaker 1 (28:13):
Yeah, Kemper said. The team is going to leave on
Wednesday and trying to make and try to get one
practice in maybe maybe a walk through something on Thursday,
and they rest for the game and then try to
play on Saturday. And that's a lot to ask for.
And plus like Sonic Boom C ninety eight point, like
it's gonna be like a regular bowl game. Atmosphere's gonna
be eventually got attend two as well, and so that's

(28:34):
going to take away from preparation too.

Speaker 4 (28:36):
It's a great experience. There's not a coach who's who's
who's indicated, who's had a problem with what of how
the the the activities are are laid out for the
for the players when they get there. But here's the
here's another thing too. I almost forgot to mention, and
I think this was either mentioned either. I think Trey

(28:58):
Oliver mentioned this last year. The coaches talk the me at.
Coaches literally call each other and they talk to each
other about the opposition. Look, it's us against the swack.
What we're gonna do. They've had calls about this. I
am not making this up, Chris, you may have heard.

(29:19):
It's like I see you now. I think it was
Trey Ollif who actually said, yeah, Yeah, we talked, yes, sir.

Speaker 2 (29:26):
So here's the thing, and I'm gonna I'm gonna make
my points real quick because I know, you know, we
gotta get Jared. You know, I want Jared to say
his have time to say his piece as well. We
are handcuffed by the greed of the power for us.
That that's basically what it boils down to because do
you really need twelve teams in a playoff?

Speaker 7 (29:45):
No?

Speaker 2 (29:45):
You don't, you know, I mean, you know that out
of that field, Oregon's in it, Ohio State, Clemson. I
forget who else because I really don't care.

Speaker 4 (29:56):
But there's there's two or three teams.

Speaker 2 (29:58):
There's maybe fourteen that you can pick out of that
twelve that you can pin down as a national championship team.
The other eight is just window dressing. And because of
that greed, it's why and I get why John Grant
wants this to be the first Bowl game on everybody's mind,
because we've taken a back seat to p w WIS
for so long that it is nice that when people say,

(30:20):
when people look through their TV, guys like, what's the
first bowl game, he's, oh, the celebration Bowl. Let me
see what that's about. So I get what mister Grant
is trying to do. But at some point we gotta start,
as Ken say, we gotta start think about player safety
because if Jackson State has banged up this bad and
then they have to and I'm not I mean, I'm
not a real logistics person, but Jackson, Mississippi to Atlanta

(30:43):
Georgia is not you know, just over healing, over the woods,
the grandmother's house, we go, you know, I mean that
takes some time, That takes some travel, and when you
ask these kids to travel, they're banged up, they're tired,
they're sleepy. I mean, they probably just finished final exams
not too long ago. Honestly, I think so they have.

Speaker 4 (31:00):
They just had graduation.

Speaker 2 (31:01):
Yeah, I mean, there's a lot going on. And Sonic
Boom just asked, the damn good question.

Speaker 4 (31:07):
Is is there is there? This is the one, Dady Kendrick.

Speaker 2 (31:15):
I think we keep clicking off that there it is
after almost ten years, is being first even have been
and being a beefit anymore? That's a good question. That's
a real good question, because I mean, if we're gonna
you know, hold it up being first, but we're still
you know, there's still gonna be the Chameleon Bowl after us,
and then we'll never forget Stu Gott's and his ridiculous
rant about the Army Navy game and how the Celebration

(31:37):
Bowl was taken away from the Army Navy game. You know,
it's absurd, but it's just something that we're gonna have
to pull through and then figure out solutions later. Like
Ken said, he doesn't have the answers. I don't have
the answer. I don't think any of us do. But
at the same time, we can't just keep blaming, you know,
ourselves for this. We got to, you know, start looking
at what ESPN has locked us into and with the

(31:57):
greed of the power for us and where we are
from there.

Speaker 1 (32:00):
I know Jerry Holkman got the airs. What you gotta
save your.

Speaker 4 (32:04):
Sorry, Jared, I just like.

Speaker 3 (32:08):
My thoughts have come from what you guys have said.
I came into this thinking like, nobody's gonna really care
at the end of the day South Carolina State. And
when I say nobody's gonna care, I mean South Carolina State.
When they line up across Jackson State. They're not gonna
care that they got banged up in the SWACK Championship game.
They're not gonna care about the fact that Jackson State
played an extra regular season game and the conference championship game,

(32:33):
whereas South Carolina State and a couple of MEAC teams
had two bow weeks during the regular season, So they're
not gonna care about any of that. All they're caring
about is we're gonna come out here and we're gonna
play our best, and we want to see if you
can lined up against us, can play better than US.
So and just to give the women credit, not only
are their three college football playoff games in two NFL

(32:55):
games that are going on in the twenty first there's
also Page Beckers going against Juju Watkins that on that day.
It's not the same time, but that's happening on the
same day, so that lets you know all the things
that are happening on that day. So, but I think
the question that signing Boom asked is very profound is

(33:19):
their benefit to being first. We're rushing. It seems like
we're rushing it, just being like, let's just get it
out the way. Let's get it out the way. So
people get like, because how many people are really gonna
see us first and be like, oh, A lot of
people don't know about our schools anyway, so they'll see
that game and just be like, Okay, that game's happening,

(33:40):
let me watch Army Navy. Army Navy has been around
for how long. Celebration Bowl is just barely about to
reach ten years, So it's not like a lot of
people are gonna see that the Celebration Bowl is first
and be like, oh, let me go watch that game.
They're gonna watch what they know before they watch a

(34:01):
game where from two teams that a lot of people
don't know about. So and I could be wrong about that.
Maybe there are people that look at the BOWLD schedule
and say, let me watch every single game. There's a
lot of people who are avid fans of college football
that'll do that. But you're banking on the fact there
that there are going to be thousands or even millions

(34:22):
of people that do that. And I don't. I don't,
I don't know like I think that the but the
question is is that if we move let's say we
moved the game to the final week of December, what
is that gonna change anything? Really? Is that? How much

(34:44):
is that gonna really change? If we move it to
the first week of January? Is that does that really
change much? We we won't know because we all we
know is what has happened so far.

Speaker 4 (35:00):
Well here is here. I'm sorry to finished here.

Speaker 3 (35:04):
I mean, at some point it could just come down
to the fact that the SWAT just isn't as good
as the me act. When it comes to big games.

Speaker 1 (35:15):
Now you're blastpheming, cut them off.

Speaker 4 (35:17):
Can no no, what what what?

Speaker 1 (35:21):
What?

Speaker 4 (35:22):
This is? What this is about? And John Grant made
this very clear going back to year one. It means
a lot to people like me because of what it represents.
It means a lot to the people who are going
to be there in person. John Grant even talked about,

(35:43):
you know, we wanted to make the atmosphere and the
family atmosphere, and because I was like, well, you know,
you couldn't have it during the week, and you know,
he wanted to make sure that that the environment for
those who are going to be in attendance would what
it would be would be in an ideal situation. But everybody.
But because this is a made for TV event, the

(36:05):
only thing that ESPN gives a damn about is viewership,
point blank period. Which is why I make the argument
that at some point you have to put in consideration
player safety. Again, listen to me, Listen to me what
I say this Jackson State will be the only and

(36:27):
again I'm not making any excuses for how this game
may turn out. Jackson State may very well go ahead,
and just as they like to say, it may be
very well, JSU by faulty. It might be. I'm not
making any excuses, but my point is is that if
this is supposed to be the optimal championship event, the

(36:53):
signature season ending, the event that a lot of people
want to make it, why don't you do whatever you
can and make sure that both teams who are going
to be preparing for it or playing in it are
at their very best when it's time to play, Because again,
Jackson State will be the only school, the only school

(37:16):
in the postseason who will have played a game the
week before the bowl game. No other It could be,
like I said, slap your mind on the Ass Bowl.
It can be the Bahama Bowl, the Caamellion Bowl, Rose Bowl.
Every single team participating in those games will it have
it at least two to three weeks to prepare for

(37:37):
that bowl game. And many of those bowl games won't
have nothing on the line compared to what the Celebration
Bowl and what it represents for the schools who are
in the conferences who are preparing for it. No one's
going to care about the Potato Bowl or the Idaho
Sack Bowl or the Jimmy Kimball. Nobody's going to care
about that other than the college football playoff it meant

(38:00):
and if I get yeah, okay, it might mean a
lot to the teams that are who are playing in
those games, but it means a lot to the damn
conferences and to the HBCUs that are participating in it.
And I don't think it's asking too much that you
treat this damn Bowl game the same that you do
everyone else, all the other ones. That's not asking for

(38:23):
a whole damn lot. I understand that the situation is
a difficult one, but goddamn it, you created it. You
created this. You're about the money, so look, do what
you can make, all the money, all the money, the
TV money you want to make for Aaron, those the
you know, the NFL in the first round of the playoffs.
But damn it, you can put that same level of

(38:45):
interest in doing whatever you can to make sure you
get the return on the investment that you meant for
the damn Celebration Bowl to have. That's not asking for
a whole lot. And I don't think that this argument
is far fair. There's nothing unreasonable about giving the two
teams at least two teams at least two weeks to

(39:05):
play that is not unreasonable, that's not so Yeah. I
get it. It's a difficult situation, but damn it, you
created the situation. And it's not asking too much that
you put the teams, the conferences, or the conference representatives

(39:26):
playing in this game. It's not asking a lot that
you provide them with the same level of treatment, courtesy
and respect that you do all these other teams, especially
those other damn Bowl games that don't mean don't mean jack,
but they're going to get two and three weeks to
prepare for them damn Bowl games. Again, I'm not making
any excuses jsu by forty. Maybe I'm just saying but

(39:53):
I'm not making the excuses. But this ain't right.

Speaker 1 (39:59):
Now. I don't know about y'all, but I'll definitely watch
Chap your mama, bo I think I actually got the slack
of mama's on the field. They'll you know what your mama?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, boy, hey mama, what the hell?

Speaker 4 (40:15):
You wan? Will it able? One location? So as near
as you.

Speaker 2 (40:19):
Next one of my favorite PRIs. I gotta watch that
coming up soon.

Speaker 1 (40:25):
Yeah, but good stuff on that one.

Speaker 4 (40:26):
Okay, d Night, you said blame your conference, but are
you not listening? You are not listening. No, he's not.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
He's not.

Speaker 4 (40:37):
The conference. How do you playing the conference? The conference doesn't.
The game is owned by ESPN Events, It is owned
by ESPN. ESPN does whatever the hell they want to do.

Speaker 3 (40:48):
I think of what he's trying to what he might
be trying to allude to is that the regular season
schedule is more strenuous than the me ACT. But you
also have to take it to an account that they're
twelve teams in the MEAC and there are six teams
six teams in the MIAC, and there are twelve teams
in the SWACK, so that it's kind of hard because

(41:09):
you got there has to be a certain number of
conference games with six teams in each division.

Speaker 4 (41:16):
Nothing to do with the conference, this has I'm just
I'm just I get it. This has nothing. But he
just has nothing to do with conference schedules. It has
nothing to do with the regular season. ESPN sets the
damn date. And what I'm trying to tell you is
that the SWACK was okay. Granted, Charles McClellan was look

(41:36):
he was lobbying for his damn conference. I get it.
But for the most part, no coach had ever complained
with the exception of Charles McLelland, no coach had ever
complained about having two weeks to prepare a SWACK coach
that I'm aware of, ever complained about having two weeks
to prepare for the championship game, the for the Celebration Ball.

(41:57):
It's never been a problem up to now. It's a problem.
Now I'm saying it. TC Taylor isn't saying it. Charles
McLellan's made Charles McLellan's not happy about this. I know
that much. I know, but I'm saying this is a problem.
Treat the treat the treat the Celebration Ball and the

(42:18):
schools that are playing in it the same way you
would treat all of the other Conference ESPN events that
you've got out there. Be mindful of this, Be mindful
that the SWACK representative needs at least two weeks to prepare.
And for all you high level six and seven figure executives,

(42:39):
I'm pretty certain there is a formula that you can
come up with that can make this damn thing plausible.
I'm fairly certain if you really gave a damn about it,
this is your event, all right.

Speaker 1 (42:56):
Yeah, make sure all y'all six and seven figure earners
donate to her efforts to know the ship.

Speaker 4 (43:03):
Yeah, I meant excuse me, did I say six or something?
I meant, well, she had six, seven and eight figure executives.

Speaker 1 (43:10):
Okay, I'm just even better.

Speaker 2 (43:14):
More money won resources.

Speaker 4 (43:16):
Excuse the expression, by the way.

Speaker 1 (43:21):
Yeah, good discussing, y'all. Moving on now to a topic
that we didn't really get to last week. But there's
a lot of job openings, not just in America but
in back college football, and allow of them that have
not been filled yet. A couple of them have though
North Carolina A and T they made a coaching higher

(43:42):
over the weekend. That makes not one higher out of
what eight or nine jobs still open, and Jared Hoffman
are in trempid due to a reporter of the football expertise,
he came up with a list of best fits in
terms of coaches for every job opening to date, and

(44:05):
here's what he came up with. Delaware State has an opening.
He wants Brian Jenkins senior, Akagatsu Jenkins Elizabeth City State.
He has Barry Trip It's feeling net Cannet is feeling
that opening. Fort Valley State, Kenneth ray Lane College, he
has that one going to Quinton Morgan though personally knowing

(44:26):
Quinton Morgan, he wants the Vision one job. Not due
to your job, but hey, got to get in where
you fit in Miss Avice. That's a surprising one. Sam
Washington at that place. Why y'all laughing? Man, I'm taking
this serious. Norfolk State doctor Avn Parker, that would be
a good hired though there's there's been You posted a

(44:49):
story about Norfolk State firing campus Jig's good friend Dawson
Odams and comments under our story and comments on Twitter.
Hey you gotta hire Michael Vick man. He's he's from
the he's from the area. That would be a great hire.
By the way, I think I think I'm gonna be
great hell no, why not?

Speaker 3 (45:07):
All due respect to Michael vick but no no, I
would love for him to mentor our quarterbacks, but to
be the head coach of a team. Let's pump the brakes.

Speaker 1 (45:19):
Please, Well, Jared gonna shoot the dream down? Okay? For
prayer you A and m He's got Tremaine Jackson, very
fine coach. And for Shaw University. This may be Buis
State Rose clerk glasses he's doing with here, but on sewell,
then the rashaw So fellas what do we make of
Jared's list of coaches who 'sould take these jobs? Starting

(45:42):
with n Shot.

Speaker 4 (45:44):
The only thing that the only flag that came up
when I read this list was Sam Washingt and Misipi
Valley State. And the first thing I said to myself
was she you know what, I know. Look, that's sound,
that that's sound. Washington is all the mater. But there's

(46:06):
just a part of me that just thinks Sam looks Sam.

Speaker 1 (46:08):
Sam.

Speaker 4 (46:09):
Washington had a good Keenan had it good for a
long time now, and I just I just don't see
him say, I just don't see him making that move.
I just don't. He's like, you know what, I love you, Valley,
but I'm good, I'm real good. Find somebody else, but
this ain't me.

Speaker 1 (46:29):
This ain't me.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
That's that's the only one to the the Alvin Park
of the Norfolk State. I can see that, Tremaine Jackson
to to TV. I can kind of see that. I
don't see Brian Jenkins the Delaware State. But I'm sure
Chris Stevens wouldn't have a problem with that.

Speaker 2 (46:50):
Oh no, no, but I would.

Speaker 4 (46:53):
Yeah. Quentin Morgan, Elaine that that that's that's doable. I
just I just think, to be honest with you, I
think Quentin Morgan. I think Quentin Morgan is ready for
D one now, yeah, but I think I think he's
ready to make that move. I think I I and

(47:14):
I and I say this respectfully the lame but and
and look, I'm I certainly am not. You know, Look,
you you do. What you got to do was in
the best interest. But I think Quentin Morgan's time is coming.
But I think when it does come, hell, we could
see quintin Morgan TV. That may not be a bad

(47:36):
you know, I'm sure he's got just regionally speaking, But
I just see Quentin Morgan right now being more suited
for D one as opposed to a d D two program.
I'm done.

Speaker 1 (47:54):
That's why he will have that job very long. Client.
But you're a health man your thoughts on your selections here.

Speaker 3 (48:02):
Let me first preface what I'm about to say by saying,
if you don't see a certain coach on this list,
I don't know who needs to hear this. If you
do not see that is not a slight to that coach.
Tell them it's not personal. Stop taking it personal of
course fragment, there will be a perfect fit for any

(48:25):
of these teams. Obviously, we were all calling Texas Southern
a bunch of idiots for what they did to him.
Duh idiots. So yes, he would be a great fit
for any of these jobs. It's not personal. But anyway,
the reason why, let's go down the list Delaware State

(48:47):
and Brian Jenkins Senior. Brian Jenkinsenior needs to be a
head coach. He has a winning pedigree. I know that
the Alabama State tenure didn't work out great for him,
but he knows the MIAC inside and out, and I
feel like he has what it takes to elevate the
Delaware State into being a respectable program. And you could

(49:10):
even put Quentin Morgan into that role. I wouldn't mind
Quinton Morgan being at Delaware State.

Speaker 1 (49:17):
But.

Speaker 3 (49:19):
Any of these coaches would be great anywhere. But I
just felt like Brian Jenkins Jr. And his ability to
build up an offense and his repertoire of already having
built up the throne Cookman into being a continuer in
the met I felt like he was the best fit
for Delaware State. Very trip and uh, Liz, for those

(49:41):
of you watching who may not know. Verry Trip is
the defensive coordinator at Johnson C. Smith. He is also
the defensive coordinator who built up Fairville State into a
championship defense that went to when he was there three
straight ciaa champion that ended up being six straight because

(50:02):
he left and went to Fort Valley State. But Barry
Tripp has I believe he has what it takes to
be a head coach at the college level, and I
feel like Elizabeth City State will be a great start
for him. Elizabeth City State is a team that is
through its faults. It's very a very gritty football team.
You may see the final scores and it may it

(50:24):
doesn't tell the story of the game. They are very gritty.
They fight to the from beginning to end. They they
can use a coach like Barry Trip that can put
some discipline into that defense and put people in place
that can, you know, get the other sides of the ball,
figure it out, you know. So I feel like Barry
Trip is somebody that deserves to get a shot as

(50:45):
a head coach. Kenneth Ray and Fort Valley State, Kenneth
Ray has a lot of experience. He has been a
coach for over twenty five years, has never had a
head coaching job, and I feel like he was already
on that Fort Valley State coaching staff. Why not hire
with in that coaching staff. He is somebody that was
already on a coaching staff on a team that was

(51:06):
a contender. Don't break it up. Don't go looking for
a whole different staff and try to change around something
that was already working. So I feel like Kenneth Ray
would be even though you know, Sean Gibbs is probably
going to have some of those guys that were on
his staff with him in North Carolina, A and T.
But keep together as much as you can, you know.

(51:27):
And I think that just Kenneth Ray and his experience
in coaching and his you know, his resume, Warrens, you know,
getting a shot as coach. Quentin Morgan is again you
could pencil in Quinton Morgan for any of these roles.
But I felt like Lane would be a great start

(51:49):
for him, you know, because Lane is a team that
has an excellent offense. You know, they have two running
backs and Kylin do he and I forget the other
the name of the other running back, but they have
two running backs in place that he can build around
and he can, you know, show that, because let's be honest,
a lot of people don't respect the nai A level,

(52:10):
you know, so show that you could do it at
the D two level and then they'll they'll you'll, you'll
get their attention, and then those calls will start the line.
He's probably already getting calls from the D one level.
Maybe I'm overthinking the level of disrespect that they show
to the nai A level, but I feel like this
will be a great start to show people that he
has what it takes to be a coach at the
D one level. He has Lane has a team in

(52:33):
place that he can build around, and he can that
he can mold and put some structure into to compete
against the top heavy SI A C Mississippi Valley State. Look,
let's be honest, I could have put any coach in
that book. They need any coach that's willing to say yes,

(52:55):
let's be honest, they need it. They need Hugh Jackson,
they need uh who who's Chicago Bears coach that just
got fired? They need.

Speaker 4 (53:11):
That's just that's just mean.

Speaker 3 (53:14):
They need any coach they need. They need Mike Dicker,
they need any they need. They need Barry Switzer. They
need any coach that is willing to say, yes, shoot,
they need shoot. If Ennis Barry decided that on those
off days he wanted to call in and coach say Yester,

(53:36):
that too. Mississippi Valley State needs anybody that will is
willing to coach them.

Speaker 1 (53:45):
But they had somebody and they fired him at the
two seasons.

Speaker 3 (53:50):
That's that's what I'm That's what I'm saying. It was
stupid for them to let him go. But the reason
why I said Sam Washington is because I feel like
he's a person that can make sense out of this
chaos that is the Mississippi Valley State's football program. They
need somebody that can make sense out of the chaos
out of their athletic program. Sam Washington is somebody that

(54:11):
I think can handle the football side of it. But
enough on on Mississippi Valley State. Norfolk State doctor Alvin
Parker Is has done it hell of a job with
what he's done with Virginia Union, and if you look
at the structure of Norfolk State, it's kind of similar
on an offensive end. You know, he'll be able to

(54:35):
bring his staff over who has been well known for
molding all American caliber running backs Tavis Taylor and most
recently Jada Buyers to name a couple. So, and you
got Kevon King there, who I believe still has a
year of eligibility. I believe he's a junior. And those

(54:56):
running backs they have in Norfolk State, you put the deep,
you recruit some defensive talent to go along with it,
and I believe that doctor Alvin Parker has the pieces
that needed to make Norfolk State a contender in the meat.
So I feel like doctor and doctor Alvin Parker has
done exceedingly enough to warrant a Division one opportunity and

(55:23):
Norfolk State just being away a little ways down the
road is the I believe the best fit for him.
Tremaine Jackson to Prairie View. Look. Tremaine Jackson is going
to get a lot of looks prairie View A and
m needs to give him a call. They need to
give him a call. You know, we obviously see what
he has done with Valdosta State. You know, they just

(55:45):
beat on two of our best teams in miles in
Virginia Union in the D two playoffs and they're going
to the national semifinal. Where in their history they're undefeated,
so history says that he's probably going to be in
the National Championship Game. But he has to hit three
in the state of Texas. He has, you know, the credentials.
He has shown that he is able to build up

(56:06):
a program, and like I said, he's gonna get a
lot of looks and Prairie View, A and M would
be lucky to have him with the teams that I'm
assuming are going to be in line for his services. Now,
everybody's gonna call me a homer. Oh, it's just Booie State,
you said, Anton Seoul. Look, I've been saying for years

(56:27):
that Anton Sewell, to me is the best DC in
court in college football. I've been saying it for years.
Is it Booie State biased?

Speaker 4 (56:36):
Shut up?

Speaker 3 (56:37):
But I feel like Anton Sewell is somebody that has
what it takes to be a head coach. Now, whether
or not he wants to be a head coach, that's
up to him. But I feel like Shaw should call
him because Shaw's identity has been its defense, and this
year it took a gigantic step back. So I feel

(56:59):
like he somebody that can restore order in a team
that should have been a contender long a long time ago.
What Virginia Union is doing right now, that should have
been Shaw. They had Sidney Gibbs, they had Savean. Did
they have Gibbs, I'm not think enough, but they had
the second. They had the secondary that was that was
dominant years ago, that was getting picks like they were

(57:24):
like they were nothing, you know what I mean, like
forcing turnovers like they were nothing. They had the team
years ago, but they just just for some reason they
could not get over the hump against those top teams.
You bring somebody with Anton Sewell and his pedigree of
turning defenses into elite units. You know, you look at
the twenty twenty one Bootie State team, you look at

(57:46):
the twenty twenty three Morgan State team, and that shows
his body of work and how he's able to maximize
the talent that he has on the defense. And I
feel like he would be a great fit for Shaw.
So that once again for the people who just tuned in,
if you don't see a certain coach, it is not
a personal shot.

Speaker 4 (58:09):
But anyway, I just want to say too that uh
that I'm I'm pretty certain he's gonna get some call.
Somebody that will be calling uh, you know, Bobby wrong.
That's a name that that that that's that's the name
out there. But you know what, but we I don't
know if we've discussed this, and I don't know why
we hadn't. But but but real quick, who did North

(58:33):
Carolina ant name as their new head football.

Speaker 1 (58:35):
Coach Sean Gibbs?

Speaker 4 (58:40):
Who who wanted the Hoighes shine Gibbs Initially?

Speaker 2 (58:46):
Yes, Miss Tiffany don Sechsty now former A d at
Florida A and m if A.

Speaker 4 (58:51):
T starts kicking ass and I know Florida A and
M better now and family has another year like they had.

Speaker 7 (59:00):
Mm hmmmm, famn you and lose the valley again. Oh no,
I'm just saying, I just want to put it out there.
We didn't mention it. Yeah, we didn't mention it.

Speaker 4 (59:13):
But all that's going to be so so so nice
to watch.

Speaker 1 (59:16):
They hired they heard him in three business days.

Speaker 4 (59:18):
It wasn't even quick.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
Jermaine Martin was like, oh hell yeah, John Martin said
he would go back to the He said he said
he would, he would, he said he would. He would
take care of the grounds.

Speaker 4 (59:30):
Himself with grass or something like that.

Speaker 2 (59:32):
Yeah, push forward if they bought seaw and gives back.
And they didn't even let Vincent Brown clean out his office.

Speaker 1 (59:38):
Good.

Speaker 2 (59:38):
They said, all right, you gotta go. We got the
new guy coming in.

Speaker 1 (59:41):
I think that part was already cleaned out.

Speaker 2 (59:43):
Probably you know what that was.

Speaker 3 (59:47):
Yeah, somebody in his comment said, what about the Alabama
A and M coaching job? Yes, Alabama A and M.
And the I put him in my article it was
the mouses head coach.

Speaker 4 (59:59):
That's Hendrick dis missed it.

Speaker 2 (01:00:04):
Yeah. He also, yeah, Chris, go ahead, man, all right,
So I'm gonna start with my alma mater, of course,
because that's the way I do things around here. And
Delaware State University has the opportunity to make amends for
a gross error doctor Tony Allen, who I'm not gonna,

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you know, come at too hard, because Delaware State is
in the best shape financially academically across the board it's
been probably in thirty years. But the athletic program is
where we're struggled. And quite frankly, he needs because the
coach that was deposed a couple of winners ago is

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actually still pretty much hanging around Dover is. The last
two daughters just graduated high school last year, they're off
to college. He's an empty nester. You still see him
at the home games, you still see him around Dover,
chilling Tony Allen needs to take that drive over to
the Rod Millstad's house, knock on that man's door. He
doesn't have to have a box of chocolates or edible
arrangement or anything like that, but he definitely needs to

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have an apology card ready and circle the block and say, Okay, coach,
I made a mistake. Will you come back? Because I
say that only because I've seen in the past couple
of days that West Virginia is thinking about bringing rich
Rodriguez back and UCF is think about bringing Scott Frost back,
So like, why not circle the block? I mean, Millstead

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had that team closer to a winning record than any
other coach prior to him, and I just don't see
any I mean, Brian Jenkins Senior would be a coup,
Like I would literally do cartwheels if Brian Jenkins Senior
came to Dover.

Speaker 4 (01:01:44):
But Brian Jenkins Senior ain't coming to Dover.

Speaker 2 (01:01:46):
This job is unfortunately beneath him for the most part.
And I say that with love and respect for my
alma mater. But Brian Jenkins is probably used to having things.
I mean he wanted Bethune Cookman. He won at Alabama State. Well,
I mean he was decent at Alabama State, but he
had resources. Delaware State we don't have the resources yet.
We're still trying to build a new stadium. We're still

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working on this field house thing. And thank you T
t TTC for yes, he was he was building something
and he got robbed at the opportunity to see it through.
But yes, I think all the other spots Jared mentioned,
I like those choices a lot. I definitely like doctor
Parker for Norfolk State because he knows the state already.
I mean he's I mean, you can recruit there. I

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think Tremaine Jackson would be a big get for Prayer
View A and M, especially since I feel like they'd
moved on from Bum McDowell too early. But like Jared said,
he knows the state, and if he wins the national
championship this year, his price is gonna go up. So
if I'm Prayer View A and M, I'm calling him
right now, like just like yo, what you want? You know,
we can make this happen. Anton School deserves a job too.

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I think it might be a little higher level than
Shaw though, Like if Delaware State called Anton School, I
wouldn't be mad at all.

Speaker 4 (01:02:57):
So, you know, there's a lot on this list to like.

Speaker 2 (01:03:00):
I mean, I would love for Sam Washington to do
the uh, to do the Joe Clark thing and go
back and just you know, start, you know, putting bolts
on the doors, and you know, to sing a school song.
You don't have a school song, let me hear the
school song. I would love for Sam Washington to do that.
But I think from the man from the man who

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gave us one of the greatest memes in the history
of the world. North Mississipi Valley State is not gonna
bring him his money.

Speaker 4 (01:03:31):
They're not sorry, tell him to bring in my money,
my money.

Speaker 2 (01:03:34):
Greatest, one of the greatest memes ever. But every other thing,
every other coach on this list, including Sam Shade, Alabama
and them, I think Jerry did a great job with that.
But other than that, I really don't you know. I mean,
Doware State, like I said, you know, they need to
go apologize to Rod Millston and have him run the
program again. But if Brian Jenkins Senior wants to take
that chance, I will welcome him, not with open arms.
I'm not gonna do what Aston Robinson did at the

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SWAG Championship. Gain no difference. No, don't don't do not
do what Ashley Robinson did. Not No disrespected doctor Robinson.
We we we think he's one of the greatest athletic
directors in the country, not just in HBC Sports but
in the country. But he got a little excited on Saturday,
and I'm I'm just saying I ain't gonna jump I'm
not gonna jump in Brian Jenkins off like that. But
if Brian Jenkins Senior wants to come to Dover, I
will gladly take him to the uh the the best

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restaurant in Dover, which I can't remember in the name of,
but I know if I go there because I go
there every homecoming. But I will gladly pay for his
first dinner at the best restaurant if he wants to
come to Dover. Other than that, every other choice on
this list is BOFO for me, I like it.

Speaker 1 (01:04:36):
So if the best restaurant in Dover you're a world
with don't know name of it, is it really the
best restaurant.

Speaker 4 (01:04:41):
I'm old, Kendrick, I'm years old.

Speaker 2 (01:04:44):
My memory is starting to slip.

Speaker 4 (01:04:46):
Cut me some slack.

Speaker 3 (01:04:47):
He said he went there every homecoming and he's still
because coming.

Speaker 4 (01:04:53):
So work with people, work with me. Chris don't know,
closed down there for twenty years.

Speaker 3 (01:05:02):
Is it a Sizzler.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
No, it's not Sizzler, even Sam.

Speaker 4 (01:05:06):
They just see.

Speaker 2 (01:05:09):
Now that now, now that opened up, it's not.

Speaker 4 (01:05:18):
That's my fault. We don't even have a water Burger.
We just Dover.

Speaker 2 (01:05:21):
Dover just got a Sonic a couple of years ago,
so it's definitely.

Speaker 4 (01:05:24):
Not water Burger.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
We we just got Raising Knes a couple of what
we got raised. We just got Raising Knes down here
a couple of months ago.

Speaker 5 (01:05:33):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:05:33):
Raising Kanes just came to New York Doltware not too
long ago too. I gotta get down there too. But yeah,
I mean, either way, if Brian Jenkins wants to come,
I wouldn't be mad at it. But I feel like
this is gonna be something where the new athletic director
is gonna have to sort of, you know, look off
the beaten path a little bit for do Wearestate? But
if they were smart, they would go knock on Rode
Millstead's door with an apology and a guaranteed contract, say,
please come run this thing again.

Speaker 1 (01:05:57):
Yeah, man, I'm glad my school on this list.

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Kendrick Kendrick's like never experienced that emotion.

Speaker 3 (01:06:04):
And also, I don't want to jinx it, but can
we applaud Kendrick for not talking on mute?

Speaker 4 (01:06:10):
Hey, shows ain't over yet, I said, I didn't want
to chink it. So it got one more topic left,
so everybody, but hold on, hold on yet. In our
final topic, I'm not on mute. See.

Speaker 1 (01:06:26):
Our final topic is women's basketball and last night Camera
Stock's a good friend, Courtney Simmons. There's a lot of
good friends. By the way, Kira Shan does heavy hitter
in the industry. Her team played l s U in
bond Rugs and lost by forty six points in a
non conference game. Those scores early Black Coats basketball against

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the power four schools are not really unusual. That happened
quite a bit. But Courtney Simmons was asked whether or
not playing It's LSU will help prepare Grambling for the
SWACK women's conference season, and this is what she said,
I don't know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:10):
That it actually prepares you for a conference schedule. I
think you have to be careful with playing this many
Power five games because there's a thing called confidence, right,
and losses like this can kill swack kids confidence. I'm
not as experienced as let's say, Carlos Functions down there.
You know, at Southern, they're gonna schedule out of the
eleven non conference games, ten of those games are gonna

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be Power five conferences, and they're gonna go get forty
thousand dollars apiece, you know, but their kids are used
to that. I'm the only team in the league that
didn't go get other swack players, and so for my kids,
a majority of my team came from the Sun Belt,
and so.

Speaker 2 (01:07:44):
These kids are like, well wait a minute, like you know.

Speaker 6 (01:07:47):
And so right now it's just a matter of not
killing their confidence so that we're prepared for swack play
and we don't lose our first two games in the
league because we're so used to getting our butts kicked
in a non conference. So it nothing about this prepares
you for swag play. It sounds good to say, but
these are money games. We play these games to get
the money so we can survive in our league.

Speaker 3 (01:08:07):
That is it.

Speaker 6 (01:08:08):
That is all.

Speaker 4 (01:08:08):
Is not because I would rather not ever play.

Speaker 6 (01:08:10):
LSU again, but they paid us good money to come
here and take a loss. And so yeah, unfortunately, with
the dynamics and the situation that we're in financially, we
have to play these type of games to just be
able to survive, to be able to make it to
our conference games. So no, this nobody is gonna sit
at the press compers.

Speaker 1 (01:08:28):
And tell you these were moral victories. That's not real life.

Speaker 6 (01:08:32):
As much as she's a compet Kim Molk is a
competitor as am I right, I played high level basketball.
I played at the University of Louisville, which we were
playing a couple of days. I know what how major
basketball looks like. And nothing about that is saying that
I want to go and play groundling and just beat
the snot out of them. That doesn't help them for
league play and us getting the snot beat out of
us does not help us for league play.

Speaker 1 (01:08:53):
Yeah. So that was Courtney Simmons, courtesy of Jeremy Brandt
of kt VEE TV down in Louisiana. So Courtney Simmons
made the point that becoming making for years and years
and years that money games are no friend of black
college basketball or football for that matter, because they don't

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exist for us to make money and not really win games.
So Camra shot is Courtney Simmons is good friend? What
do you make of her comments? What she said?

Speaker 4 (01:09:22):
I love Courtney Simmons, I do and and she is
not my good friend, but she is my friend.

Speaker 1 (01:09:32):
But it starts to know the friends.

Speaker 4 (01:09:35):
Well, we've only had one conversation since she's been a grandma,
and I'll leave it at that. But she is she
is a great hire. I appreciate her candor as a coach.
I think she was being extremely honest and how she feels.

(01:09:58):
But I will simply say this, this isn't anything new.
This is where we are and this is the way
it's been for a long time. And Courtney Simmons is
well aware of this. I mean, she just she just
simply laid it out and for her and I get it. Ideally,
this is not the type of schedule she would want

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to play. She didn't make the schedule. I'm guessing she
had some input. But you know, if we're going to
pay her salary and make sure that the athletic department
is funded, these are, unfortunately, unfortunately, are the things that
need that have to be done. But I am going
to have to push back respectfully on what coach Simmons said, because.

Speaker 1 (01:10:45):
What we make, what are we making for saying Kim
Rashan like my girls, I used to playing these games.
But everybody else in the swaky is like, is that
kind of like a shot like the swack?

Speaker 5 (01:10:54):
No.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
No, I think it's just basically her observation. It just,
you know, I think we he was referring to Carlos
Funche has done its Southern Oh, who's a straight up
baller back in his days. I was a college to
student athletes.

Speaker 1 (01:11:09):
By the way.

Speaker 4 (01:11:09):
But anyway, basically that's their philosophy and if it works
for them, that's fine. I think in essence, what she's
saying is it's not her cup of tea, and I
get that. But keep in mind, Grimley made national headlines
for beating or just annihilating some Christian school last year.

(01:11:31):
They played Centenary this year, which is now I think
a Division III school. You know they beat Centenary this
year or the first game of the year, one thirty
one of thirty. They played Xavier. You know Xavier, you
know those smart ass kids down in New Orleans at Xavier,
those pharmacists and and and future doctors and so forth.

(01:11:55):
You know, uh, sixty nine fifty four that that was.

Speaker 1 (01:11:59):
That was what that was, right?

Speaker 4 (01:12:04):
Okay, well that was a little closer, But she annihilated
those Christians and Streetport one hundred and one point. So
my point is is that she's saying that things, you know,
these are so called money games. Look, people, I know
it sounds good and and all, but every single game
that's played, regardless of who the opponent is, regardless of

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how big, every single game is a money game. Somebody
is getting paid. It may not be forty thousand dollars,
but somebody is getting paid. And so when whether whether
your your school or the host team is playing uh
the you know, the the Our Lady of the Lakes

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or the School of the Blind or the School of
the poor, they are paying them to come in and
you make your money through the gate. So look, this
is all business. And so so while I understand it,
it's not ideal, and no one likes to lose by
forty fifty points. I get all that. Just we can

(01:13:10):
talk about it, but there's not really a whole lot
that can be done about it outside of or actually
there is something that can't be done about it. Now
you can change your philosophy and you say, you know what,
we're not gonna go out and play these power forward teams,
but instead we're gonna go ahead and we're gonna focus
and we're gonna play mid major teams. We're gonna go

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out and we're gonna play schools from the U you know,
mid major conferences, and the philosophy there could be, let's
play enough of those, maybe we can get us three
or four wins during the non conference season. It may
not earn us a whole lot of money, but it

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would put us in a situation to where come tournament time,
if we actually show our weight and we win a
conference tournament, or we beating enough of those games to
where our schedule of strength shows that we're more than
capable of playing above where people put us at. You know,
it could result in you being seated at thirteen or

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twelve seed, but that's not going to put a whole
lot of money in the budget either. And that's that's
the trade off. That's the trade off, and that's something
that Charles McLelland has talked about who just happens is
the you know, is the chairman of the Division one
Basketball committee for the NCAA tournament. That's the tradeoff. So

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a lot of schools focus on playing these Power five teams,
getting forty fifty and sixty thousand dollars a game and
then making all these you know, making all that money
for the for the budget. That doesn't if you don't
win those games, it's not going to help you long
term when it comes to tournament time. As opposed to
those those mint majors, you know, they can get you know,
four or five quality wins and put them in a

(01:14:57):
position to where even if they maybe make it to
like the finals, and they don't necessarily win the conference tournament,
guess what they can still get in that large bit.
So again that's the trade off. But unfortunately, given where
we are, being a limited resource institution as Grambling is,
and there's a lot of HBCUs are this is this

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is this is a reality. It's a real thing and
it's nothing new.

Speaker 1 (01:15:23):
Yeah. So this season, Grahamley State is two and seven
in the conference play. They played Power four games against Arizona, California,
LSU in Oregon, State and they lost by an average
of twenty three points per game. Not terrible, but I
guess she took umbrage to the question of like whether
they're playing these teams to help them inspike play, which

(01:15:44):
I agree with her, I really don't, because like, what
do you learn from losing my forty six LSU? You're
not going to play a team that as good as
NSU can swank. But jaredy Chris, your thoughts on.

Speaker 4 (01:15:53):
This money the root of all do thanks to some people?
Give me a Nikko brother? Can you spare dime?

Speaker 1 (01:16:07):
Money?

Speaker 4 (01:16:08):
Can't dry some people out of their mund for the.

Speaker 2 (01:16:12):
Love of money?

Speaker 4 (01:16:13):
That's real. That's really what this show is about.

Speaker 2 (01:16:15):
Because we again we just spend like thirty five to
forty five minutes talking about how the television contracts have
you know, handcuffed the Celebration Bowl. It's not that much
of a difference, you know when you talk about on
Grambling playing LSU and women's basketball, like this is what
our schools have to do to make weight basically, like

(01:16:40):
I can tell you now Delaware State on the men's side,
you know, on the women's side, you know they've played
a couple of division twos, a couple of naia's at home,
they got the wins, but then they've gone on the
road and they have gotten smacked by Ohio State Dayton
I think they got I think they went to Texas.
Now the men's team went to Texas, I know they
got a couple of power fives and mid majors. You know,

(01:17:02):
hire mid majors coming up on the road. So this
is what our programs have to do. And a lot
of that comes back to the fact that our schools
are woefully underfunded, either through a lack of alumni giving
or just the fact that the FEDS will not give
our schools the the comparable funding that the pwys in

(01:17:22):
the same states do. Like it's Jim Crow for education
and athletics. Basically, that's basically what our schools are dealing with,
and we have to play these games to make sure
that you know, scholarship money is funded, that assistant coaches
are paid, that head coaches are paid, that the lights
stay on. And it's an unfortunate reality. And I understand

(01:17:44):
coach simmons frustration, because you don't learn from getting your
you don't learn from getting DDT'ed by LSU or anybody
like that. The only thing you learn is that you
have a long ways to go if you want to
aspire to get to that level of competition. Only thing
that says that, wow, they're that much better than us.
To make sure we get out of here healthy and
get ready for conference play, that's.

Speaker 4 (01:18:02):
Really all those games set.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
And you know, it's unfortunate, but until we can find
a way to make our programs more solvent to the
point where we don't have to rely on these games
that we're talking about, not just basketball but football as well,
these are the steps that we're gonna have to take.
And it doesn't really help anyone. But at the same time,
the money, you know, sort of heals the wounds a
little bit, I guess.

Speaker 4 (01:18:27):
And the money is yeah, but the money you will
you know, I'm just repeating what you say. But the
money is what pays their salary. The money is what
help pays those those assistant coaches, you know. The money
makes it do what it does. And uh, the philosophy

(01:18:52):
varies from school to school, you know, and and and
so so let me let me just because you know,
when never conversations like this come up, folks in like
discussion groups. They always like to say, well, if we
just gave more, if we support our schools, then we
wouldn't have to go out and play these dawn money games. Well,

(01:19:15):
guess what you ain't giving, And you keep saying that
ad nauseam. But whatever it is that you're giving, it
ain't enough. And so thus.

Speaker 1 (01:19:33):
We do what we do.

Speaker 4 (01:19:34):
And for the record, this ain't just HBCUs doing this.
It ain't just HBCUs.

Speaker 1 (01:19:41):
You know this this because.

Speaker 4 (01:19:44):
You know these This ain't HBCUs. This is just the
This is just the nature of the beasts in those
schools in o VC and in the Big South, and
and and and and and what else big West, that
they're all doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 1 (01:19:59):
So from like disparity purposes, and do some research about this,
just talking about finances and whatnot. You us say today
every year comes out with these collegiate finance figures for
like most athletic departments they can get data from. And
so Gramlin State come to the most recent data generated

(01:20:20):
eleven point three million dollars lest you, one hundred and
ninety nine million dollars fiscal year twenty twenty two. Yeah,
so that's what we're working with. Or against I was
kind of out so jerdy to have anythings said about this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:38):
I mean, well, first of all, I know, I don't
know if she's watching live, but I know my mom
is gonna have something to say about Chris is singing.
But but I think that I mean, sure, nothing, not
much comes from these money games other than obviously money.

(01:20:59):
But what comes from playing the Christian College in Louisiana,
What comes from playing Zula? I mean, neither one has
significant benefits. It's just it's just schedule Fellers til you
get conference play. And also you talk about these playing
these r fives. If you want to be a national championship,

(01:21:19):
you got you got play them eventually. You gotta play
them eventually. You see him in the tournament, whether it's
in the first round or if we were ever to
get past the second round. So you're gonna have to
see them eventually. So if you want to be a
national champion, that's the stuff that you have to go through.
You have to test your skills against them. Look at

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Norfolk State against Norfolk State's women against Missouri. Look at
how they played against Alabama. Those were two competitive games.
We have a sense of how we have a sense.
We don't know in particular how good they are until
we get later on down the season and we see

(01:22:02):
them play more, but we have a sense for what
they can do based on those two games. Now, is
that gonna help them and conference play?

Speaker 4 (01:22:11):
No?

Speaker 3 (01:22:12):
Is it gonna help them in a conference tournament. No,
they can still lose, but it's a barometer not just
for you being a conference champion, but for you being
a national champion. That should be our goal, not just
to win our conference, but to be a to do
something in the tournament. That's how you stamp your legacy.

(01:22:33):
That's what twenty twelve Norfolk State did. That's what two
thousand and one Hampton did. That's what nineteen ninety seven
Coppin State did. The men's teams obviously, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:22:41):
What twenty four Hampton did against Georgia.

Speaker 4 (01:22:45):
I remember when I remember when Mike Davis was the
coach at Texas Southern, and Mike Davis, if I'm not mistaken,
I think Mike Davis encouraged the Ads baby to schedule
as many Power five games as he possible he could
because he thought they'd actually prepared his team for the
regular season, and he had. He actually had some success
with that during the course of the regular season once

(01:23:07):
he got conference play, so I know as far as
and of course the money that went along with it,
but Mike Davis had no problem. He encouraged UH the
ad to UH schedule those those those big time opponents.
I think the philosophy varies from coach to coach.

Speaker 1 (01:23:24):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (01:23:24):
The thing that I'm pointing out though, is that the
success hasn't carried over to the tournament. That's what should
be most important. Now. Obviously, yes, you want to win
your you have to win your conference first, and you
have to focus on winning your conference first. But if
the goal is to win the conference, then the goal
is also to make it to the tournament. That should

(01:23:45):
also be what is important to you in those conference games,
not just getting the money so that you are able
to fund your programs, but that you see how you
stack up against those Power five teams that maybe that
you may have to face come tournament time. You know,
So I think that should be important. That's why I

(01:24:06):
pointed out those teams like. That's why I pointed out
twenty twelve Norfolk State. That's why I pointed out two
thousand and one Hampton. That's why I pointed out nineteen
ninety seven Coppin State because those are the teams that
won in the tournament, and they beat Power five teams
to do it. That now, I don't know. I would
have to do research to see how many teams, how

(01:24:27):
many Power five teams they played in the regular season.
But yeah, and it's not just That's the thing. It's
not just HBCUs. How many times have we seen Northwestern
State lose to Power five teams by thirty forty points?
How many? And I don't mean to point them out
like they're the only ones, but that's the first team
that came to my mind. But how many times have

(01:24:48):
we seen other mid major teams go up against UCLA
or USC, or against LSU or against North Carolina Duke
and all these other teams. It happens for all the
mid major teams because we're trying to bridge the gap.
That's why women's basketball is so fun now because the
gap is starting to close a little bit. It's still

(01:25:10):
very top heavy, but that those games help us bridge
the gap. Those upset wins are what make college basketball
so fun because you never know what could happen on
the night in, night out, basis. Sure you'll go into
a game and say, oh, LSU is gonna dog them,
Ucon's gonna dog them, or or Notre Dame is gonna

(01:25:31):
dog them. But there are some teams that aren't looked
at as elite year in and year out that you
could say, oh, I think that major team might have
a shot against them.

Speaker 5 (01:25:43):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:25:43):
So I think that those those things. I mean, she's
obviously a coach, so I'll be wrong to I be
wrong to say that she heard her way of thinking
about it is wrong. But I think that I feel
like there could be confidence that could come from that
saying we beat a team from the Mighty SEC, we

(01:26:04):
beat a team from the Mighty ACC, we beat a
team for the Mighty Big Ten, we beat a team
from a mighty Big twelve. If we play our best
in a night in, night out, basis, nobody from our
conference can beat us.

Speaker 4 (01:26:16):
It be the she beat a team from the Pac
twelve last year.

Speaker 2 (01:26:20):
Great, And I think, and I think that's a great
point that Jared makes about the women's game, is that
I don't I think that this is a huge opportunity
for our schools to really close the gap in that
perspective because.

Speaker 4 (01:26:34):
The men's game is what it is.

Speaker 2 (01:26:36):
I mean, that's that hasn't changed since integration, and I
don't think it will change again. But the women's game
is the point where HBCUs can really make some end
roads because I feel like, and this isn't me, you know,
trying to make this a battle of the sexist thing
by any stretching imagination, but I.

Speaker 4 (01:26:54):
Feel like.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
Women athletes are more inclined to at least seriously consider
HBCUs than the male athletes are. And I don't have
any sort of you know, quantitative research. I don't have
any you know, numbers and figures to back that up.
But it just feels like, you know, I'll never forget

(01:27:17):
when I did the mead coaches call at the beginning
of last season when Diamond Johnson first got the Norfolk
State Larry Vickers said Diamond Johnson was offended that he
didn't try to recruit her out the gate, so she
would have considered it even as a freshman. So now
that you have a player of Diamond Johnson's you know,
resume saying that, then that should inspire coaches say, Okay,

(01:27:40):
so maybe this girl isn't out of my reach. Maybe
I can go get this athlete. Maybe I can go,
you know, show her that HBCU life is pretty cool
and you can build something beautiful here.

Speaker 4 (01:27:51):
So this is a chance.

Speaker 2 (01:27:52):
The way the women's sports are evolving as a whole,
especially women's basketball, I feel like this is a chance
for our schools to really make some inroads and to
becoming competitive in that space.

Speaker 1 (01:28:05):
Yeah, I would agree with that. I mean, like with
the ni A on the transfer port and the way
things check out, there could be a whole lot more
opportunities for a whole lot more schools to get better
players because roster spots are limited, only so many players
to go around. So you will start to see over
the next couple of years and influx of better players
like Diamond Johnson coming into lead these black college leagues

(01:28:26):
and succeeding. So the blows are still going to happen
because the spirit is going to exist, but hopefully, like
the money game, will eventually mount to something bigger come
March when the tournament time starts. So Kinraide said, I
thinking in this show, help people donate to your very
vast and massive salary.

Speaker 4 (01:28:50):
I'm gonna let that go go to HBC sports dot
com for slash donate, folks to donate to the channel
your donation and go a long ways and and ording
our efforts and uh supporting uh Kendrick's p t O.
Also if you would become a member of the YouTube

(01:29:10):
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and UH we'll do what we can to continue to
provide you with quality content. I'm done, Kendrick.

Speaker 1 (01:29:31):
Thank you for only taking a little bit of a
chief shot at me this time, just a little.

Speaker 4 (01:29:38):
Okay, Well you I do have to pay your pt O,
all right? Put you in a fly and flex? Well
what what remember you said? You see you're in the
summer wrestling and he flipped you over? You anyway, he's
one years old.

Speaker 1 (01:29:59):
We can't flip me over. What are you talking about?
What are you saying?

Speaker 4 (01:30:04):
That was the excuse that I provided before when you
couldn't make it the last time I told you told.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
The people myself put me in a flying soup lex.
He did?

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
He did?

Speaker 1 (01:30:13):
Yeah, yeah, I'm I'm gonna get you for that one
later on. Just beware of it anyway. He's one years old.
He can't do that. He's strong at hell, but can't
do that. But yeah, everybody thinks of watching the show
despite camera shots against once again on Monday Night. I

(01:30:34):
don't know what about money to make him act crazy,
but you know, he does his thing. But thanks again.
That's Chris Stevens, that's Jared Hoffman, that's the boss. I'm
Kendrick and we're out shout out to the nobs.

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