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Speaker 1 (00:08):
What is the Bible? What is it worth?
Speaker 2 (00:11):
Basic constructions before leaving Earth. Life is full of struggles
and it is hard, but we are made in the
image of God. Lord, I have to appraise you to
the moon and back. I don't see anything.
Speaker 1 (00:23):
Wrong with that. It's mean you health, it's mean you kept,
it's mean you move. It's me you group, it's me
you touch. I love you so much. Oh my Lord,
I have to say thank you. Open your eyes. What
did you see? Have you inventor with your life lately? Oh? Yeah,
I have something else to say. Welcome to HBES in
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dub jail.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
Oh lordy Lord, God goes the glory.
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God goes the glory, the glory, glory, all right, Welcome
to HBS and d w J. I am your host
j rejoice. Our mission to provide the knowledge that will
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training sisters and brothers in Christ, to spread God's love
and to create the sphers. Our vision to share all
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building of God's kingdom. The adversary does not know what
to do with those who possess integrity. We are not
human beings on a spiritual journey or the cod trag read.
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We are spiritual beings on a human journey, and with
that being said, we will open this Holy Bible study
session up with prayer. So please join in, Oh Holy
Eternal Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It is once again that
we're coming to you as humble as we know how realizing,
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Gracious Father, that as we come before you today, we
bring our heart and our desires to your presence. You
know the negotiations and decisions that lay ahead of us.
Grant us wisdom to discern what is right, and just
give us clarity of mind to articulate our thoughts and
intentions with honesty and integrity. Lord, you are the ultimate
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source of all wisdom and understanding. Guide our words and
actions as we engage in negotiations. Help us to see
common ground and mutual will benefit, remembering always to treat
others with respect and kindness. Grant us patience in the
process and courage to stand firmed in our principles. May
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your will be done in all things, and may our
negotiations be guided by your grace and infused with your peace.
Thank you for your continued graces and mercies. We pray
these things in the precious mighty name of Jesus Christ.
All right, blessings to all. Welcome again. I am Jerry.
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And this portion of our study continues with God announces
the coming destruction of Sodom, and go more report too,
All right now. As the angels walk on toward the city,
Abraham begins a kind of negotiation with the Lord. His
nephew Lot and his family still are still living in Seldom,
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and Abraham seems to be concerned for them. He boldly
challenges the Lord, will you sweep away the righteous with
the wicked? Abraham insists that such an action would not
be consistent with the Lord's character. The Lord is patient
with Abraham as he begins to ask for assurances. Will
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you destroy the city if you find fifty righteous people there?
The Lord agrees that he will not. Abraham keeps asking,
though Lord ring the number at which the Lord would
willingly destroy righteous people to judge the wicked forty five, hum,
forty thirty? What about twenty? Finally, Abraham asked, with a
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request that the Lord not be angry if he would
spare the city for the sake of ten righteous people.
Once more, the Lord agrees that he would do so
if he finds that many. With that, the Lord heads
toward the city, and Abraham walks back home. All right,
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it is now time to open our hearts, minds, and
souls to the Word of God. Our scripture will be
coming from Genesis chapter eighteen, verses twenty four through thirty three.
King James version. That is, Genesis to eighteen verses twenty
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four through thirty three. King James version.
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Let's read, peradventure, there be fifty righteous within the city,
Wilt thou also destroy and not spare the place for
the fifty righteous that are therein that be far from
thee to do after this manner to slay the righteous
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with the wicked, And that the righteous should be as
the wicked that be far from the shall not the
judge of all the earth do right?
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And the Lord said, if I find in Sodom fifty
righteous within the city.
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Then I will spare all the place for their sakes.
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And Abraham answered and said, behold, now I have taken
upon me to speak under the Lord, which am but
dust and ashes. Peradventure, there shall lack five of the
fifty righteous, wilt thou destroy all the city for lack
of five?
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And he said, if I find there forty and five,
I will not destroy it. And he spake unto him
yet again, and said, per adventure, there shall be forty
found there.
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And he said, I will not do it for forty sick.
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And he said unto him, oh, let not the Lord
be angry, and I will speak. Peradventure there shall thirty
be found there.
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And he said, I will not do it if I
find thirty there.
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And he said, behold, now I have taken upon me
to speak unto the Lord.
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Peradventure there shall be twenty.
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Found there, And he said, I will not destroy it
for twenty sick.
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And he said, oh, let not the Lord be angry,
and I will speak yet, but this once, peradventure, ten
shall be found there.
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And he said, I will not destroy it for ten's sake.
And the Lord went his way as soon as he
had left communing with Abraham, and Abraham returned onto his place.
Speaker 1 (07:23):
All right, now, do we have went through our scripture reading.
We are going to get into our scripture breakdown, all right,
starting with Genesis chapter eighteen, verse twenty four. Peradventure, there
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be fifty righteous within the city, Wilt thou also destroy
and not spare the place for the fifty righteous that
are therein Abraham begins with fifty. He says to the Lord,
suppose there are fifty righteous down there in Seldom, would
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you destroy the city if there were fifty righteous? And
the Lord has revealed to Abraham his plan to investigate
and by implication, bring judgment on the cities of Sodom
and the Moral for their great sinfulness. Now this is
a poetic device on God's poet, meant to highlight his
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just handling of the situation. God already knows everything he
needs to know about Seldom, so his words here are
for the sake of our own understanding. Okay. Now, with
that being said, Abraham standing with the Lord as two
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angels walk towards Soldom. It's asking the Lord some hard questions.
But they're not hard for God. They're hard for Abraham
because he's trying to approach this in a way to
not you know, to not be disrespectful. All right now,
Abraham's nephew Lot lives in Soldom, all right now. In
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the previous verse, Abraham asked God if he would bring
destruction on the righteous with the wicked and his judgment.
Now Abraham gets more specific, what if fifty righteous people
lived in Seldom, would God not spare the place for
the sake of those fifty people. Now, this is a
question we often struggle with today. When and why does
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God allow those we perceive as innocent to suffer for
the actions of those who we perceive as guilty. Now
Abraham is asking a bold question of the Lord who
has blessed him, and he's not done yet. Let's move
it along to Genesis chapter eighteen, verse twenty five. That
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be far from these to do after this manner to
slay the righteous with the wicked, and that the righteous
should be as the wicked. That be far from thee
shall not the judge of all the earth do right?
All right? Now, that is still a question that many
people ask, shall not the judge of all the earth
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do right? And there is an answer to it. The
rest of the Bible testifies to the fact that the
judge of all the earth always does right. Whatever God
does is right. And if you don't think he is right,
the trouble is not with God, but the trouble is
with you and your thinking. You are thinking wrong, and
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you do not have all the facts. You do not
know all of the details, for God knows all. And
if you did know all the details, you would know
that the Judge of all the earth does right, and
we do wrong? Is right? We is wrong? Inyways, Abraham
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seems to be angling for the city to be spared.
On Lote's account, Abraham's question is similar to one that
we grapple with even today. All right, now, will God
really bring judgment that affects righteous people as well as
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the wicked people? Is there some proportion of good to
bad that would stop God from doing so? Specifically, Abraham asks,
will the Lord sweep away the righteous with the wicked?
Will he not spare the city for the sake of, say,
fifty righteous people. Here in this verse, Abraham almost sounds indignant,
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possibly even manipulative. The very idea that the Lord would
kill righteous people along with those who deserve to be
punished does not fit with Abraham's idea of who God is.
He twice repeats the phrase far be it from you.
Then he states his central argument point, shouldn't the Judge
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of all the earth do what is just? That is
a question many people have asked of God dawn through
the ages. In fact, it's the first question many people
ask about the idea of and all knowing, all power
for all love and God is he fair? The problem,
of course, is that when we ask the question, we
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ask it in the way Abraham does. Here, we assume
in advance that we, not God, can define justice and
righteousness and criticize God when he does not meet our
expectations the nerve of us. The following verses will reveal
that Abraham is both underestimated in God's justice and mercy
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and overestimating the goodness of humanity. God will graciously allow
Abraham to negotiate Soldom's rescue to the presence of only
ten righteous people, a standard the city still will fail.
All right now, Let's move it along to Genesis chapter eighteen,
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verse twenty six, and the Lord said, if I find
in Seldom fifty righteous within the city, then I will
spare all the place for their seats, all right now.
And Abraham he started to think this over. Abraham's turne
into previous verses seemed indignant and even scheming, to a sense.
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God is discussing the sins of Soldom and Gomorrah, implying
that judgment was coming on those cities for their outrageous deprivity.
Abraham pointedly as the Lord if he would sweep the
righteous away with the wicked. And then he asked, what
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if fifty righteous people lived in solemn? Solemn? And then
he asked, would God still destroy the city? Abraham made
it personally? Far be it from you? Shouldn't the judge
of all the world be fair? This, of course, implies
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that Abraham has a right to judge God's character according
to his own perspective. How would God respond to such
a comment from a limited sin for mortal knowing nothing
else about God or scriptures, one would have expect God
to crush Abraham for being so insolent about his character. Instead,
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the Lord responds in the most gracious way we could imagine.
He simply agrees, if if I find fifty rageous people, I
will spare the whole place. This, as with his prior
comments about investigating the cities or merely for our own benefit,
God does not need our approval for our understanding, and
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yet in this incident he gently allows us to see
that his decision in this case is entirely just. The
following verses will reveal, though, that Abraham's not done yet.
He's up to something, most likely related to his concerns
for his nephew Luck. Let's move it along to Genesis
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chapter eighteen, verse twenty seven. And Abraham answered and said, behold,
now I have taken upon me to speak unto the Lord,
which am but dust and ashes. In the prior verses,
Abraham brazenly question of God's judgment on Sildom would be fairer,
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since it might mean harm and righteous people along with
the wicked. In this verse, Abraham seems to have a
moment of clarity and checks his own self. Abraham acknowledges
to the Lord that he is being very bold even
in speaking to him. After all, Abraham is a mere man.
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He calls hisself dust and ashes. He recognizes apparently that
he has no right to demand anything from God. Now
this is a key part of our perspective on God
and his actions. God most certainly does what his good,
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fair and just, and for that reason, human beings who
are limited have no right to assume he is being
unfair or unjust simply because we don't like his decisions.
God's conversation with Abraham him regarding the people of Sodom
is meant to clarify this very idea. You see, we
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have a limited vision, but God sees the whole picture.
God can see the future, the present, and the past.
So what our look feeble minds compared to God's holy mind,
there is no comparison. So God is always right no
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matter what he does. All right now, Abraham worries that
God might do something, you're Pharaoh. God's response proves that
his plan action against Sodom and Gomory is perfectly, absolutely justified.
Abraham's moment of humility will not prevent him, however, from
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continuing to push the Lord for assurances that he will
spare the city of Soldom for the sake of any
righteous people who there. All right now, this almost certainly
is Abraham's attempt to keep his nephew Lot, who lives
in Sodom, from being destroyed. All right now, let's move
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it along to Genesis, chapter eighteen, verse twenty eight. Peradventure,
there shall lack five of the fifty righteous, wilt thou
destroy all the city for the lack of five? And
he said, if I find there are forty and five,
I will not destroy it. In other words, Abraham says,
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if there are forty five righteous left, would you destroy
the city for forty five? And God tells him, if
I find there forty five and if I find there
forty and five, I will not destroy it. Abraham begins
bargaining with the Lord in earnest. Now we know Abraham's
nephew Lot lived in that city, because we found that
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out in Genesis chapter fourteen, verse twelve. Now, this negotiation,
of course, is merely as I said before, for the
benefit of Abraham and the rest of mankind. All right now,
God has no obligation to discuss this decision with anyone. However,
like a patient teacher, God allows Abraham to talk out
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the situation right now. When it is all said and done,
This will only go to prove how truly justify God's
wrath against Seldom truly is. After getting a perspective a
positive answer from God about sparing the city for the
sake of a few people, Abraham continues to work a
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strategy to talk the Lord down to the smallest number
of people possible. All right now, Here, the Lord agrees
not to destroy the city if he finds forty five
righteous people. Abraham's intent most likely is to plead for
the rescue of his nephew Lot, who lives in Soldom.
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Now It's important to note here that the word righteous
as used by Abraham does not mean sinlessly perfect people.
In an Old Testament context, this term refers to those
who don't participate in their grave sins openly practiced in
Sodom and gomart and those sins included rape, sexual immorality,
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glutt to the gluttony, and not caring for or helping
the poor. And that's all in according to Genesis chapter nineteen,
as well as ezekie Oh chapter sixteen, verses forty nine
and fifty. All right, let's move it along to Genesis
chapter eighteen, verse twenty nine. All right, and he spake
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unto him yet again, and said, peradventure, there shall be
forty found there. And he said, I will not do
it for forty's sake. This makes the man a little
bit bolder, and he says to the Lord, supposed there
are forty. The very interesting thing is that God says,
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I will not destroy it for forty, and Abraham keeps
on bringing the number down thanks to God's gracious response.
Abraham seems to think he is negotiating with the Lord.
To Spanish, soldom, this is not actually a negotiation. Of course,
Like a teacher who allows a student to talk out
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a problem, God is allowing Abraham to set an incredibly
week week week week week standard for the city of
southern one, which will still prove more than it can
live up to. And the countdown continues in the following verses.
So let's move it along to Genesis chapter eighteen, verse thirty.
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And he said, unto him, let not the Lord be angry,
and I will speak per adventure. There shall be thirty
found there. And he said, I will not do it
if I find thirty there. All right now, Abraham has
boldly questioned whether God's plan to destroy Sodom and Gomory
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is just since there might be righteous people living there.
God graciously allows a sinful mortal like Abraham to discuss
the boundaries of his mercy, even as Abraham attempts to
push God's standard further and further down. Here, Abraham begs
the Lord not to get angry with him. Reading this
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passage with fresh eyes, knowing nothing else about God or
his character as revealed in scripture, one is likely to
be concerned about Abraham's boldness as well. All right now,
Prior to this conversation, God destroyed virtually the entire race
of man with a flood. In Genesis chapter, and he
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has declared his intent to judge the sins of Solomon
Gomorra in Genesis chapter eighteen, verses seventeen through twenty one. Oh,
we're reading it right now, all right now, or at
least y'all listening to it, and I'm reading it. But anyways,
we're gonna move it along. And we know how highly
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God values human righteousness, and we know what he is
capable of when human beings indulged in wickedness. All right now. Abraham, however,
believes himself to be bargaining for the very life of
his nephew Lot and his family. Now, if he can
get God to agree to spare the city for the
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sake of the right number of righteous people, perhaps a
lot can be saved from God's judgment. All right now,
the Lord has already agreed not to destroy the city
if he finds fifty, forty five or forty righteous people there.
Now the Lord agrees to thirty. Abraham, though clearly knows
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how to pray the city is according to Genesis chapter thirteen,
verse thirteen, MM thirteen thirteen. How about that anyways, as
well as Genesis chapter fourteen, verses twenty two through twenty three.
He understands that thirty might still be more righteous people
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than the city can offer. So let's move it along
to Genesis Genesis chapter eighteen, verse thirty one. And he said, behold,
now I have taken upon me to speak unto the
Lord her adventure. There shall be twenty found there, and
he said, I will not destroy it for twenty's sake.
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All right. Now, Abraham is going to set the bar
for righteousness in soldom at a particularly low level, and
it still would not be enough. Abraham started by asking
God if he would spur the city if he found
fifty righteous people there. The Lord agreed. Then Abraham said,
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what about forty five? The Lord agreed, then forty, then thirty.
Now Abraham asked for twenty, while recognizing that he's been
incredibly bold to speak this way. All right, the Lord
again agrees. All right. Now, let's move it along to
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Genesis chapter eighteen, verse thirty two. And he said, oh,
let not the Lord be angry, and I will speak yet,
but this once prayer adventure, ten shall be found there,
and he said, I will not destroy it for the
sake of ten. Now Abraham is overwhelmed, and he takes
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another plunge, and that by asking, suppose there are ten
righteous there, would you destroy it if there are ten?
And God says, if there are ten righteous in the city,
I will not destroy it. Abraham concludes his negotiation with
the Lord here with another request that the Lord not
be angry with him, and a promise not to push
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any further after this. If the Lord find ten righteous
people in Soldom, he will spare the city for the
sake of those ten people. This particular number was probably
Abraham's gold all along with the intent of sparing his
nephew Lot from death and the judgment against Soldom. Once more,
the Lord agrees to Abraham's request he will not destroy
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the city if ten righteous people are found. Of course,
the Lord already knows how many righteous people he will
find in Soldom and gomoral. He knows what's coming. Still,
he has been gracious and kind to endure Abraham's pointed
questions and request. In the end, Abraham will know that
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the Lord is both just in his judgment and merciful
in his approach. So let's move it along to last
but not least Genesis chapter eighteen, verse thirty three. And
the Lord went his way as soon as he had
left communing with Abraham, and Abraham returned unto his place.
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Now the question arises, why didn't Abraham come down below
ten I'll tell you why. At this point, he is
afraid that Lot is lost and this disturbs This disturbs
him a great deal, so he's not gonna come down
any further. But he could have came down to one.
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He could have said, Lord, if there is only one
in the city who is righteous, would you destroy the city?
Do you know what God would have said. He would
have said, if there is one who is righteous in
that city, I'm going to get them out of that city,
because I would not destroy a righteous man. We'rein the city.
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How do I know that this is the way it
would have been, Because that's the way it worked out.
There was one righteous man there. Abraham didn't believe it,
but God knew him, and that was a Lot. God
said to Lot, get out of the city. I cannot
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not that he cannot, but he will not destroy it
until a Lot is out. All right? Now, do you
know that the great tribulation period cannot come as long
as the Church is in the world. Did you know
that it just will not come? My friends, my Christian siblings,
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because Christ boy I was judge man, and the great
Tribulation is part of the judgment that it is coming. Now.
This is the reason that the Church will not go
through rule it all. Right now, this is a glorious
picture of that truth right here in front of us.
As we read and listen, we are going to see
that Sodom Inglemorra are the picture of the world that
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we live in today. And what a picture it is.
What a condition the world is in today, and it
is very much like Sodom and Gomorra, if not worse.
That does not mean that the Lord is going to
come tomorrow. Well I don't know, and no one else
knows when he gonna come, but he could come tomorrow,
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and it certainly would be in keeping with the carrying
out of the picture which is before us here in Genesis.
Right here and now, God has indicated that Sodom will
be destroyed for his wickedness. Abraham objects, suggesting it would
be unfair for God to punish the righteous people along
with those who are wicked, and begins to ask God
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to spare of the city for the sake of smaller
and smaller numbers of righteous people in a display of
great patience, grace, and mercy. The Lord has stood and
heard everything Abraham has to you know, has said to him,
including a bold claim about whether or not God's plan
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is fair. In addition, the Lord has agreed to every
request from Abraham, even though Abraham turned it into what
sounded like a negotiation. Abraham's intent all along was to
likely reach a point seen in the last verse, God's
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vow to not destroy the city if ten righteous people
could be found there. That's all all right now. The
point of this is not that God needs to have
his mind change. Rather, the purpose for his for this
conversation is to prove, in no uncertain terms that God's
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approach to these wicked cities are entirely just all right now.
As the Lord walks away lightly towards Seldom and Abraham
returns home, their agreement stands that the Lord will not
destroy Soldom if he finds ten righteous people there. Abraham
seems to believe, or at least hopes, that at least
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ten people, or at least ten of Soldom's thousands of residents,
are not participating in the great wickedness for which they
have become infamous. According to Genesis chapter thirteen, verse thirteen. Abrams,
or Abraham's rather ultimate hope, will assume it is to
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save the life of his nephew Lot and his family. Sadly,
the next chapter will reveal that Abraham has overestimated the
number of righteous people, and soldom he is also underestimated
the extent of the Lord's blessing for him and thus
for his extended family. God's patience discussion with Abraham allowed
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Abraham to set his own standard for goodness, which seldom
still failed by any measure. The city was deserving of
God's wrap, all right. So a Lot, however, will be
saved from this wrap despite his own foolishness. All right,
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do you have the complexion for the protection? It is
now time for our life reflection. All right? Was God
being unfair to the people of Seldom? Did he really
plan to destroy the righteous with the wicked. On the contrary,
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God's fairness stood out. First of all, he agreed to
spare the entire city if only ten righteous people lived there. Secondly,
he showed great mercy toward Lot, apparently the only man
in the city who had any kind of relationship with him,
and even that was questionable. Third of all, he showed
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great patience towards Lot, almost forcing him to leave soldom
before it was destroyed. Remember God's patience when you are
attempted to think he is unfair. Even the most godly
people deserve his justice. We can thank God that he
doesn't direct his justice towards us as he did with Solom.
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God showed Abraham that asking for anything is allowed with
the understanding that God's answers come from God's persons. They
are not always in harmony with our expectations, for only
he knows the whole story. Are you missing God's better
answer to a prayer because you are not considering the
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answer you expect? Or are you missing God's better answer
to a prayer because you are only considering the answer
you expect? M But for now, this is what God's
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God announces. The coming destruction of Sodom and Gomorre Part
two is all about all right now, With that being said,
we will close out with prayer. Heavenly Father, Son, Holy Spirit,
thank you for blessing us with another building block from
this Holy Bible study session. We come before you knowing
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that you are just and righteous in all your ways.
Thank you for your fairness and integrity in every race situation.
Help us to trust in your justice even when circumstances
seem unclear or unjust. Guide us to live according to
your will, seeking justice and mercy and our own actions.
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May your justice prevail in the world, bringing healing and
restoration where there is brokenness. Thank you for your continue
graces and mercy, O Lord, our strength and our redeem
We continue to pray these things by believing, trusting, and
loving You, O, Holy Eternal Father, Son, Holy Spirit. It
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is always in the precious name Jesus the Christ, the Messiah.
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