Hagar Flees - The Plight of Hagar part-2 Discussion

Our Scripture Of The Week Is:

Proverbs 15:29 KJVS 
[29] The LORD is far from the wicked: but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.

The apostle Paul underscores the fact that righteousness and lawlessness are incompatible. So are light and darkness, Christ and the Devil, a believer's portion and that of an unbeliever, the temple of God and idols (2 Corinthians 6:14–16). 

The Lord is holy, holy, holy, high and lifted up (Isaiah 6:1–3). He cannot coexist with sin (Habakkuk 1:13).
To distinguish from God being intimate and attentive, Solomon notes that God is "far from" those who reject His commands (Proverbs 4:14; 10:27). 

In Ephesians 2:12 Paul calls upon the Ephesians to "remember that you were at that time separated from Christ." An unbeliever may appear religious by attending church, reciting prayers, and donating money. 

However, if someone has not come to God through faith in Jesus (John 14:6), he is alienated from God. On the other hand, whoever believes in Jesus as Savior is close to God, and God hears his prayers. 

As a matter of fact, God invites believers to confidently approach His throne, expecting both mercy and help with their prayerful needs (Hebrews 4:16).

Episode Transcript

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Be with us, restore us,and strengthen us, for we belong
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for your continued graces and mercies.We pray these things in the precious name
of Jesus Christ. Amen. Allright, all right. Our scripture of

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the week is Proverbs chapter fifteen,verse twenty nine. King James version.
The Lord is far from wicked,but he heareth the prayer of the righteous.
The apostle Paul underscores the fact thatthe righteousness and lawlessness are incompatible.

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So are light and darkness, Christand the devil, the believer's portion and
that of an unbeliever, the templeof God and idols. And this is
all in accordance to Second Corinthians Chaptersix, verses fourteen through sixteen. The
Lord is holy, Holy, Holy, high and lifted up accordance to that.

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This is in accordance to Isaiah chaptersix, verses one through three.
He cannot coexist with sin. Thisis in accordance to Habbakuk chapter one,
verse thirteen. To distinguish from Godbeing intimate and attentive, Solomon notes that
God is far from those who rejecthis commands. And this is all in

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accordance to Proverbs chapter four, versefourteen, as well as ten, verse
twenty seven. Now, in Ephesianschapter two, verse twelve, Paul calls
upon the Ephesians to remember that youwere at that time separated from Christ.
Now, an unbelievable may appear religiousby attending church, reciting prayers, and

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donating money. However, if someonehas not come to God through faith in
Jesus Christ, according to John chapterfourteen, verse six, he is alienated
from God. On the other hand, whoever believes in Jesus as Savior is
close to God and God. Here'shis prayers or their prayers should I say?

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And as a matter of fact,God invites believers to confidently approach His
throne, expecting both mercy and helpwith their prayer for needs. And this
is all in according to Hebrews,chapter four, verse sixteen. All right
now, our topic today is HagarFlees The Plight of Hagar Part two discussion.

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All right now. In the previouslesson, the Angel of the Lord,
most likely a pre incarnate of Christhimself, made a surprising promise to
the servant Guarl carrying Abram's first child. Now right now. This pregnancy is
a result of Abram and Sarah's schemingto speed up God's fulfillment of his promises

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to Abril. While this child isnot an heir or the heir God intends
to give Abram, the Angel ofthe Lord still has good news for Hagard.
Her offspring would become so numerous asto be uncountable. This is very
similar to the promise given to Abramregarding his eventual descendants. Here, that

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promise is followed by a formal prophecy, something occasionally referred to as a birth
oracle and often delivered by angels.First, the Angel of the Lord reveals
that Hagard's child is a boy,and she will call him Ishmael. All

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right now. Ishmael means God hasheard. In this case, it meant
that the Lord listened to Haygard's afflictionand stepped in to help. All right,
Now, the rest of the oracleis less favorable. Even though Ishmael
will be the first son born,too able, he is not the promised

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child which God has guaranteed you.This was not the way God intended to
fulfill his vows, too, Abram. And so this first born boy of
Abram will be a wild donkey ofa man, you are, He won't
be a people person at all.In his hand will be against everyone,

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and everyone will be against him now, and he will live in hostility to
his kinsmen. And eventually we willlearn that Ishmael's descendants become the Arabic people.
Now, these cultures have been atodds with the Jewish people for millennia,
and the descendants of Ishmael soon takeon a beding lifestyle on the fringes

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of society, committed to their personalfreedom above the need to be accepted by
others, in spite of the nativeconclusion. Togar to the prophecy, Hagar
speaks of the Lord in glowing terms, and she names him a god of
sin. And he saw and lookedafter her, and she was allowed to

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see him. She appears to berightly astonished, astonished by the whole experience.
God is not silent nor absent.He is paying attention, and he
cares and provides. So we're toldthat the location of the wellness between Kaydish
and be read, but the precisespot is currently unknown. Abram's son Isaac

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later settled there for a time.According to Genus chapter twenty five Versus eleven.
Right now, history bears out theangels prophecy for Ismael, his descendants
would be the Arabic people, andthis culture will become so numerous and powerful,
but will also be renowned for conflict, especially against the Jewish people.

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In any case, Abram does indeedname the boy Ishmael, which means God
hears. Now. The name certainlyhas meaning for Hagard, and according to
Genus chapter sixteen, Verses ten throughthirteen, and it might have also sent
a message to Abram and Sir Raithrough their experiment attempting to bring about God's

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promise on their own timeline, theyhave learned He was still listening, still
seeing, would still keep his promisesto abral Now. Genesis sixteen ends by
reporting Abram's age at the time ofthat Ishmael was born. God had promised

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to make of Abram a great nationand to give to him the land of
Canaan. Now the initial promises hadbeen given when Abram was already seventy five
years old according to Genesis chapter twelve, verse four, and the arrival of
an error had not happened yet,and from a human perspective, seemed more

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and more unlikely. Even ten yearsafter God's further promises. According to Genesis
chapter sixteen, verse three, Abramand Sarai were childless, and so Abram,
at sir Ri's urgent, attempted tomove things along through scheming and struggling

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on their own. The result wasboth conflict than blessing, with the promise
of more conflict and blessing for generationsto come. Hagard immediately conceived a son,
but was at us with SARAHI accordingto Genesis chapter sixteen, verses four
through six, and the child bornto Sarah's servant Hagard was not the child

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of Abram's covenant with God. Ishmaelwould be blessed by God, but his
descendants would be forever in conflict withothers, especially their kinsmen. Now the
other descendants of Abram according to Genuschapter sixteen, verses eleven through and twelve.

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So at eighty six years old,Abram would obtain a son, but
not the son of promise. Infact, Abram will wait another thirteen years
before God would reveal the details.And well, these are other details of

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his plan for the next stage ofAbram's life. Do you have the complexion
for the protection? It is nowtime for our life reflection. All right.
The descendants from Hagar are included inthe promises given to Abram that his

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family would be so large that hewill not be able to count them.
We have watched three people make seriousmistakes. First it was Sarah Rob who
took matters into her own hands andgave her servant to Abram. Secondly we
have Abram, who went along withthe plan, but when the circumstances began

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to go wrong, refused to helpsolve the problem. And then we have
Hagar, who ran away from theproblem. In spite of this messy situation,
God demonstrated his ability to work inall things to bring about good.
According to Romans chapter eight, versetwenty eight, Sir Ryan Abrams still received

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the sun they so desperately wanted,and God solved Heygard's problem despite Abram's refusal
to get involved. No problem istoo complicated for God if you are willing
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Hey bro, what time is itman? It's now time to answer
comments from HBS and DWCH website.M hm okay, now in time to

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answer comments. Well, if Ican get something, let me get that
holler hallow. All right, therewe go. That's the holler I wanted
to hear. Now we can getstarted. We're gonna start off with Matthias.
Matthias says, Hey, smiley face. Thanks for the article. It
was very informative and eye opening.I never thought about the whole situation from

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the perspective of unbelief being the majorissue. It's crazy how things turned out
with Haygard and Sarah Rod's playing notgoing as expected, and it's fascinating to
think about, you know, whatmight have been going through their minds during
these events, and the part aboutIshmael and his descendants being marked by conflict

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is quite intriguing. Can't wait toread more about the unfolding of God's playing
in the future articles. Smiley face, keep up the good work. All
right, Hello Matthias, Thanks forthem smiley faces, but most of all,
thank you for stopping by and addingvalue to this HBS and DWJ platform.
Your opinion on this topic is verymuch appreciated, and blessings to you,

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my friend. All right, let'smove on to Jake Devins. Jake
Devins says, Wow, I foundthis really interesting. It sheds light on
the human side of the biblical narrative, showing how Abraham and Sever's impatience led
to unexpected consequences. It's a reminderof how faith can waver and how at

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times we might take matters into ourown hands. The inclusion of scripture versus
provides context and depth to the story. Thanks for sharing this thought provoking piece.
All right, Hello there, JakeDevns, and thank you for stopping
by again adding value to this HBSand DWJ platform. I really appreciate you.

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Finding Hegard flees the place of Hagardto be a really to be really
interesting, and please feel free tocontinue stopping by to add value to this
HBS and DWJ platform. Your opinionon this topic is always very much appreciated
and blessings to you, my friend. All right, let's move on to

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Angel C nine O three. AngelC nine O three says, Yes,
indeed, Hagar has a huge plight, but in the same time she reaped
what she saw. Let me explainmyself. When she conceived her child,
she became arrogant towards Sarah and thoughtshe was already superior to her, and

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Sarah treated her accordingly with fire andfury. People say that Hale has no
feary like a woman scorned, andSarah never forgot when her child was born,
she kicked Hagar out. This isthe sad reality of scheming and not
waiting on the lord's promises. Ohokay, well, hello there, Angel

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ce nine o three. Thanks alot for stopping buying, sharing your interests
and your comment. Warm regards toyou, my friend. All right,
let's move on to Mac Sud.Max Sud says, Hi, there,
I just read your article on Hagar'splight and found it to be a deeply
insightful exploration of her story, youranalysis of her situation, and the spiritual

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lesson we can draw from it.It is both thought provoking and enlightening.
However, I'm curious about how youinterpret the broader implications of Hagar's story in
the context of modern day challenges facedby women in similar situations of distress and
marginalization. Do you see any directparallels or lessons that can be applied to

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society issues. M Thanks for yourwork and for sharing these profound insights.
Warm regards, Maxa. Okay,hello there, maxad thank you for stopping
by and commenting on Hegard Flees theplate of Hegard. It is particularly important
to understand that Hagard was economically exploitedand physically abused. Don't forget that she

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was a foreigner, She was anoutsider, She was a slave, and
she was a handmaid to Sarah whoturned her into a what sex object?
Now these cultural norms, okay,meaning that was that was normal in that
culture. They help explain the storyas it unfolds, but on the human

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level, do not make it anyless painful for Hagar. But the human
level of the historical context is notthe only dynamic of Hagar's story. Indeed,
this isn't Hagar's story any anymore thanit is Abrahams or servis. This
is God's story. The Holy Bibleis the story of how God saves his

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people, and in this chapter ofthat story, he makes a covenant with
Abraham, binding legal promise, andthat He will bless Abraham with many descendants,
and that through him all nations ofthe world would be blessed as well.
You are welcome for my work andfor the sharing of these profound insights.

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That's why I created this platform becauseI was I hadn't come across anything
like it, and I thank Godfor allowing me to shape it into what
is growing into. And what you'reseeing is not to finish product. I'm
still in process. So wherever it'sgoing, you know, I still don't

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know yet, but it's growing andgoing, thanks to God. So warm
regards to you as well, myfriend. All right, let's move on
to Debby. Debbie says, thankyou for this very detailed story. I
wholeheartly agree that the issue at stakehere was Sarah's unwillingness to wait and Abraham
not quite being the man of faithhe is meant to be. So often

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when we step into make something happen, instead of waiting for God to do
his work, we create problems forourselves. I'm curious about Ishmael being the
father of the a Rabs. Iremember hearing that previously, but have since
come to the un to understand thatthat was not the case. I believe
it came from Josephus, a Jewishhistorian, but apparently the Koran does not

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subscribe to this. I suppose wecan't know for sure either way. Anyway,
you have provided a very detailed accountof the story, and I appreciate
that you have all that. Youhave also had compassion for heygd and she
was indeed mistree and God very definitelyhad compassion on her. Many blessings on

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your future endeavors online. All right, hello Debbie, and thanks for stopping
by. In Genesis, the identityof people groups is often traced back to
an ancestor, and the group isthen named after this ancestor. And all
right, your question, how dothe Ishmaelites fit into this pattern? Where

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Genesis associates various descendants and relatives ofAbraham with people groups, and these includes
Abram son Abraham's sons Ishmael for one, who is the ancestor of the Ishmaelites.
Language is unidentifiable, all right,Midian ancestor of the Midianites. Language

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unidentifiable. Isaac, who is thefather of Jacob, whose later name is
later changed to Israel, is theancestor of the Israelites, and his language
family is Caenan knit and father ofEsau as well. He is Esau's father,

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who is the ancestor of the Edomites, and his language the family language
is Catenan knite, all right,Now, lots sons, and Lot was
the son of Abraham's cousin, herun You know, I've seen it two
different ways. It shouldn't be cousin, it should be the brother. But

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either way, Lot was the sonof hay run Uh who is who who
is a Moab ancestor of the Moabite, who had a son named Moab who
Lot's son is Moab ancestor of theMoabites, and his language is caten To

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knight. Also and being am lotsof other son is the ancestor of the
Ammonites, and his language his familylanguage is Catenan knights. All right.
Note that the identifiable languages associated withgroups descended from Abraham and his nephew Lot
are members of a closely related familyknown as Semitic linguistics as Canaan knight languages.

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And I want to repeat again thatLots is the son of Abraham's brother,
not cousin. I don't know,I must I miss I misspoke on
that. But his brother, Abraham'sbrother is Heron, and Lot is Haron's
son, all right, now,Note that the languages the identify languages associated

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with groups descended from Abraham and hisnephew Lot or members of a closely related
family in Semitic linguistics as Canaan knitlanguages. As I already said, but
I just want to repeat it justin case somebody missed it. All right
now, these were very similar andcould have been mutually comprehensible. And the
Moabite and Ammonite languages associated with thedescendants of Lot through his two sons are

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in the same group as Edomite associatedwith Esau and Hebrew associated with Jacob or
Israel. This suggests that the Ishmaeliteswould have been speakers of the Cateran Knite
dialect as well as like all theother branches of abrams Ham's family. Although

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Arabic is related to kaan Knite languages, the connection is more distant, and
Canaanite languages are grouped together with Aramaicand Amma right to form a higher level
submitted subfamily known as Northwest Submitted.Then further back in time, this grouping,

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in its turn was connected to Arabicin a subfamily as Central Submitted.
All right, now, I hopethis helps, and thanks again for I
hope this helps clarify things for you, and thanks again for stopping by,
and many blessings on your future endeavorsas well. But for now, that's

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what Hagard flees. The plight ofHatred is, or the plight of Hagard
Part two discussion is all about.All right now, we would go ahead,
you know. With that being said, we're gonna go ahead and close
out with prayer. All right,Please join in. Oh God, you

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ever widening circles of friendship and showus your presence in those who differ most
from us. Until our knowledge ofyour love is made perfect in our love

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for your continued graces and mercies.We pray these things and the precious name
of Jesus Christ. Amen. Allright, thank you all for tuning in.
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