08-22-25 He Said She Said -- The Clothing Fads of YesterYear That We Hated

Join Aggie and Rick as they discuss clothing fads from the '70s til today. Some that seemed cooked at the time but were groan-inducing, and others that never should have happened at all, in our opinion.

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Speaker 1 (02:46):
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Speaker 3 (02:50):
What's what are you doing with you? Welcome everybody to
another episode of He Said, She said? I am one
of your us for the evening, Aggie and with me
is the very awesome rowdy Rick. How are you doing tonight?

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Good evening, miss Aggie. How are you for those of
you in the chat and listening online. That's a bit
of an inside joke between the two of us, because
she kept changing her mind about what we were talking
about today. One I finally joked back with my normal
line of make up my mind, woman, and she said
it was my she takes it back. It's my prerogative,
so it's her fault. She got the song stick in
my head, so I had to do something with it.

Speaker 3 (03:25):
It is, it's my prerogative. You changed my mind, That's
that's part and parcel the whole girl gig.

Speaker 1 (03:31):
I know.

Speaker 3 (03:32):
But anyway, Yeah, I just wanted to well, I didn't
want to be all dour and the topic that I
had changed my mind too was just going to make
me really upset. So I said, no, it's a fun show.

(03:53):
It's supposed to be funny. We're supposed to have fun
and poke fun at things and everything, So revert back
to the original topic. And he of course said, make
up your mind, and I said that's what I do.

Speaker 1 (04:07):
Yeah, So anybody who was wondering. So the title of
the show encompasses the topic that she originally hit me with.
So I started researching it because I had to think
about it for a minute. And first all she said
was fads. So I'm like, oh, there's lots of fads.
And then she texted a little bit later she says,
just so we're clear, clothing fads and I'm like, chicken,
you know, being honer, and then she said, no, no, no,

(04:27):
I've changed my mind. She was feeling stabby about Crackerbill
what was happening, and she felt like she wanted to
for a minute, and then she's like, you know what,
never mind, We're going back to this. And I'm like,
would you just make up my mind?

Speaker 3 (04:37):
Just pick one? Just pick one? I did. I picked
one and we stuck with it. So here we are,
see I stuck with it.

Speaker 1 (04:45):
So should be a fun show. We're going to be
talking about all the fads that we hated, some of
which I was actually subjected to as a child. Yes, unfortunately, I'm.

Speaker 3 (04:56):
I'm so I think this is the only time I
am so glad that my mom refused to buy us
anything that the kids were wearing. She was. You know,
she was very thrifty, so that saved me from a
lot of these things.

Speaker 1 (05:18):
Oh yeah, well my dad was not that way, and
neither was my mom really. And you remember the John
Travolta Saturday Night Fever three piece white suit with the
vest and the tie and all.

Speaker 3 (05:32):
Then the white polyester three piece suit with the black
shirt underneath.

Speaker 1 (05:38):
Yeah, so I had a similar style suit, three piece
in all polyester, and I think I was probably five
or six, but it was blue. I love the hell
out of that suit, though, and I had no idea
until I saw pictures of it later with like the
and I was like, oh my god, what am I wearing?

Speaker 3 (05:58):
No, I won't lie. There was so fashion choices back
when I was very young that are very questionable now,
and I'm so glad that the photographic evidence was destroyed
in a fit of anger. But for the most part,
mine were pretty tame because of the fact that my

(06:20):
mom made our clothes and made our dresses and things
of that nature. And sometimes, you know, she would buy
because we were all almost the same size, she could
buy something that's in a not numerical size but letter size,
like spawd medium or large, and we could all wear it,
So every piece of clothing in that house got a

(06:43):
lot of traction. So but we were not slaves to
the fads. Mom was like, no, that looks stupid. No,
that looks stupid. I'm like, but Mom, everybody's wearing it,
and she's like no. And now I am so grateful,
so very grateful.

Speaker 1 (07:02):
I don't know, cal if we're bringing back op we
got to bring back swatches too, I'm just saying.

Speaker 3 (07:07):
I still I still want one.

Speaker 1 (07:16):
I know, I know, well I kind of want one too,
because now it's an inside joke with me and Coren.
I ask him all the time, should we synchroniced watches?

Speaker 3 (07:26):
Swatches? I keep forgetting that he's he's in our eight Strange,
isn't he.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
Yeah, he's a year he's a year older than me.

Speaker 3 (07:37):
Okay, so he's much younger than me.

Speaker 1 (07:39):
But whatever, But yeah, I know that. That was like
one of their catchphrases on Parker synchronized watches.

Speaker 3 (07:47):
Yes, yes, I remember that.

Speaker 1 (07:50):
Every time we started playing stuff out, I was like, okay,
synchronice watches. I figure he'll get tired of it eventually,
but for now it makes him want show.

Speaker 3 (07:58):
And he was so adorable as the bad guy. He
was still so cool.

Speaker 1 (08:06):
I didn't I didn't know this, but and he put
the link out the other day. Apparently every episode is
available on YouTube, so.

Speaker 3 (08:14):
Parker Lewis can't lose. Yes, I guess what I'm doing
this weekend. I love that show anyway. But yes, I
never have a swatch either. Calvin, So I think you
and I should, like, you know what I'm gonna do.
I'm gonna start looking for them and all the thrift

(08:35):
stories and stuff. I'm gonna I'm gonna start checking.

Speaker 1 (08:37):
Yeah, we should we Now that we're getting a little bigger,
we should see if we can we can start trends.
I think we should bring back swatches. In honor of
Corenem joining the network, we should work on bringing back swatches.

Speaker 3 (08:48):
Ah, that would be so cool. Oh my gosh, that
would be so awesome.

Speaker 1 (08:52):
Okay, yeah, that was always one of the trends I
wanted to be in on when I was a kid.
But you know, all my friends had them, and my
mom was like, I'm not paying that much for a watch.
I'm like, but Mom, I want.

Speaker 3 (09:02):
To be a gool kid. That was, you know, that
was one of the things my dad said, No you will,
you will buy your first watch, and trust me, it's
not gonna be a Swatch. It's going to be something
like Asako or Boulevard or you know whatever grew in
And sure enough it was a Saikoh. I still have it.

(09:23):
That was the first thing I bought with my first
actual paycheck, not babysitting money, but actual paycheck. So that
was I still have it. It's so cool I still
have it, but yeah, I was. That was one of
the last conversations I had with my dad too, because
he had wanted his watch at the hospital, and so

(09:46):
I went and he had like twenty watches. He had
this thing for watches, and I'm like, if I were
the watch my dad wanted, where would I be? And
sure enough it was a Seko that he bought back
in nineteen eighty and so I got that one and
I took it and it's like, yeah, see, you you
actually knew the watch that I wanted. I was like,

(10:08):
I got lucky because because that was the one. I
ended up keeping that watch after he passed. But he
had always teased that, you know, don't ever give up
the first watch that you bought with your money, because
it means a lot to you. And sure enough, I
still have my first one, and now I have the

(10:29):
first one that he got when he was here in
the States, and so it's pretty.

Speaker 1 (10:33):
Cool, awesome.

Speaker 3 (10:35):
Yeah, but yeah, I wanted us watch and Mom said no,
Dad said no, they look stupid, they look cheap, They've
been out of plastic. Why would you want I'm not
paying that much because I think the I think the
price point at the time was like what thirty dollars
or thirty four.

Speaker 1 (10:51):
Dollars even mind, this isn't eighties money.

Speaker 3 (10:54):
So this is eighties money, not twenty twenty five money.
So I mean, and let me tell you. And every
time I went babysitting, I would save up and I
was like, I have enough money for a swatch. And
Dad would actually put the kebash on it. He would
actually say that money is supposed to go for your education,
isn't it. Isn't that the whole purpose of you babysitting

(11:14):
every Friday and Saturday night, you know, during football season. Yeah,
so I would put it on my in my school
fund and I'd be like trapped, I'm never gonna get
a swatch, And I never did so, but that's a
goal now now, I'm gonna go look in for him.

Speaker 1 (11:35):
Yeah, I wish it wasn't more accurate, because that's how
it feels. He's like thirty four dollars and eighties money
is approximately. Oh it feels that way, trust me.

Speaker 3 (11:53):
Yes it does, Yes it does, because.

Speaker 1 (11:55):
I remember I remember when I was a kid thinking, dude,
if I could just thinking about, you know, getting to
the point where I was in the being able to
make like one hundred and hundred fifty bucks a day.
Now I do that easy, and I'm still broke half
the time.

Speaker 3 (12:05):
I'm like, yeah, I know, I know, it's just didn't
keep up. I'm like, you know, if I can, you
know what I'm going to go start. Now it's under
my skin, Thank you, Calvin. Now it's under my skin.
I gotta find a slotch That.

Speaker 1 (12:21):
Was my fault. He wanted to bring back Ope. I
was the one who said, if we're bringing back Ope,
we got to bring back swatches.

Speaker 3 (12:27):
Okay, full discloser. I still have one of my original
Opie shirts that my cousin gave me as a hand
me down. I don't Opie was really big here for
a while, but in Puerto Rico, y'all, if you didn't
have Ope, you were nobody. And I was kind of
shocked because you know, we would go periodically during the

(12:48):
summers to visit, and I just took you know, regular
T shirts. Nothing had any kind of symbolism on it,
you know, no no brands, nothing like that. No, it
was just plain shirts, you know, playing T shirts, plain haines.
And I'm staying with my cousins and my cousin Macho.

(13:15):
He asked me, didn't you bring any cool shirts?

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Hang on, you glossed over something really really fast. What
was your cousin's name again?

Speaker 3 (13:24):
Oh, we call him Macho. That was his nickname. That's
not his weird name.

Speaker 1 (13:29):
Well, yeah, I figured it was a name, cousin Macho.

Speaker 3 (13:33):
Well, it was running joke because one of my cousins
on my dad's side, she they always called them mouhe,
which is because when she was little, she would say,
I'm not a girl, I'm a woman, and woman in
Spanish is mouhe. So she would say, I'm just saying mohe.
So everybody started calling him movehead. Well, she lived in

(13:57):
the in the house next to where my cousin lived,
and so, oh you're muhe. A'm macho and that's how
it started. So so that's how it started, really. But anyway,
so he's asking me one day, you know, if I
brought any cool shirts, and I'm like, they're all cool,
I mean, like keeping me cool. I didn't think it

(14:19):
was like a status symbol cool, you know. And he's like, no, no,
if you're going to hang out with my friends, you
gotta have something that's that's cool. And I looked at
him and I said, define it. Because I'm living in
the States. What we think is cool over here, it's
definitely not over there, vice versa, right, And he said, no,

(14:40):
like this, and he starts taking out short after shirt
after shirt that's all Ocean Pacific. It's all OPI his
shorts are op. Everything is op. And I'm looking at going, yeah,
I don't have anything like that. And so he gave
me one and it was like, you know, he's obviously

(15:01):
bigger than I am, and so it was oversized on me.
So I would tie it off to the side and
I rolled up the sleeves and everybody was like, oh,
I like the way you're wearing your shirt. So all
of a sudden, all the girls started wearing the same
thing back, you know, back in Puerto Rico, and I'm like,
I'm a trendsetter. We have been doing that here for years,
but apparently nobody need over there, so I still have

(15:25):
that shirt. So I do have an Ope shirt. Yay me.

Speaker 1 (15:31):
Interesting. Thanks to al, I now have discovered that there's
still a Swatch website and apparently the kids the kids
watches are about the same price as they were before.
They're only forty bucks. The adult watches, on the other hand,
one hundred and ten hundred and twenty and eighty.

Speaker 3 (15:46):
So my wrist is small enough, I can be a
a kids watch.

Speaker 1 (15:53):
Actually, that kind of reminds me of the old school
when saying, on a mercy, if I can get it
on the screen again, at least for the guy. I
remember this these This was kind of like the one
that all the kids in my neighborhood were wearing back
in the day. Hang on, where did it go? I
don't know, More like that one. Let me see if
I can get it bigger on the screen. Oh, of

(16:15):
course it's going to be a picture of somebody wearing it,
but you can still see it. Hang on.

Speaker 3 (16:24):
Oh yeah, tripendicular. There's another one. Yeah, that was one
of the fashion trends that I could never understand either.
But uh, that that all of the Neon colors all
at the same time, every color at the same time,
and color blocking without the colors the colors of Benetton.

(16:47):
That's what I called it, because that's what it was.
Every single color was on one item of clothing and
then it was on the other item of clothing and
still didn't match. It was the weird thing that we
went through in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (17:03):
Yeah no, and uh, Calvin, I still own a pair
of jams, Dude, I miss jams. I missed those things.
Things were so cool.

Speaker 3 (17:13):
I have a pair of bands. But that's about it.

Speaker 1 (17:16):
But so anyway, since we're since since since the law
was laid down, that they were only talking about clothing
trends that we didn't really care for. I had another
one I was going to talk about first, which seemed
cold at the time and makes absolutely no sense to
me now because kids in the late eighties early nineties,
all the all the guys were shaving their sideburns off
when they got their air cut.

Speaker 3 (17:38):
Yeah, that was odd.

Speaker 1 (17:40):
That I'm looking at that, But it was all like
cool at the time, and now I'm like, why were
we doing that? But yeah, anyway, hey Zelda, do you
have a moment so that we can discuss our lord
and xavior Minichi.

Speaker 3 (17:59):
No, vans have never gone out of style. I gotta
say vans were have. They're like a classic staple. So
that was not I don't I don't want to. It
wasn't a fad, It was not a trend. It was
an establishment, a classic, just like a Chanel, a Chanel
jacket or suit that has never actually gone out of style.

(18:22):
You could wear a Chanel suit from nineteen sixty two
today and it looks like it just walked off the runway.
So I think the vans, you know, vans are in
the same category.

Speaker 1 (18:35):
Yeah, I mean, well, there's some things that are that
are trends, and there's fads, and then there's just established things.
And Vans have never gone away. So I mean I
have nieces and nephews that are like, I got Vans today,
and I'm like, yeah, are still wearing those converses apparently
still around two. I was kind of surprised about that.

Speaker 3 (18:55):
So anyway, I guess I guess we should start. What
are some of the things that you most hated? The fats,
I guess it can't be really trans trans actually get established.
Fats are just like flash in the pan for a season.

Speaker 1 (19:12):
So can we can we talk about platform shoes with
goldfish in them?

Speaker 3 (19:19):
What's so weird? I was going to say, you know,
not wedges, but platform shoes where you know, the the
heel and and the front part of the shoe are separate. Yeah,
and they were really high, and I never understood that
because it's just I'm like, you're advertising that you're short,

(19:41):
so you need these shoes, And.

Speaker 2 (19:43):
I'm like that.

Speaker 1 (19:45):
That's why now they put all the height building stuff
inside the shoe. They actually still sell them. They've just
gotten smart and made the shoes. You know, you put
them on and it makes you feel taller because the bases.
Actually joking was Elda a while ago and center one
of those. I was like, hey, this would make you
about five Actually for her would be four foot thirteen

(20:06):
because she does the math wrong all the time.

Speaker 3 (20:10):
Yeah. I never understood platform shoes. And I had an
aunt that her shoe size to this day is five.
So shoes for her were very difficult to find, and
so sometimes she had to order them from the States,
and the only places you could order shoes when I

(20:30):
was growing up, was either the J. C. Penny catalog
or the Sears catalog. Sometimes you could find what you
were looking for in Montgomery Wards, but those two catalogs
had more shoe options. And so because she was a
very comfortable five, you know, in the narrow five. I
mean she got a small foot, She's tiny, and so

(20:55):
she would order like and she would order like five
or six the amount of time, and back in I
was I was visiting back in seventy nine, cause yeah,
because that was the year of the PanAm Games and
Puerto Rico's hosting, And she ordered five and they were

(21:16):
all platform shoes in different colors, slightly different styles, you know,
and there was one that was like like gold lammee.
And I'm like, where the heck are you going to
wear these two? And she's like when we go out?
And I looked at her, was like, go out where?

(21:36):
Because I couldn't conceive with my aunt and my uncle
actually having you know, a romantic dinner somewhere.

Speaker 1 (21:44):
Oh yeah, no, want to think about that.

Speaker 3 (21:46):
So I said, go out where? And she looked at
me and said, well, your uncle and I sometimes go
out to dinner, you know, we celebrate, you know, our
anniversary or my birthday or his birthday, or we go
on with friends. And I looked at him and says,
so you do that. Keep in mind that was pretty young.

(22:08):
I think I was maybe twelve that summer, so it
was hard for me to comprehend. I was just like,
I still can't make it drive in my head that
they went out for fun, and but she had she
had ordered like five pairs and there we're all platforms
and I'm like, but why so high? Why so tall?
And she says, because I'm not tall. And I'm like,

(22:29):
but everybody knows you're not tall, So what's the point.
You're basically telling everybody that you're short, So you're gonna
like wear stilts.

Speaker 1 (22:40):
To beget people that don't know me, don't know that
I'm not tall. So if they see mean, they'll take
them at least a few seconds to notice that I'm short.

Speaker 3 (22:50):
I just I just didn't get it. So I was like,
and she just rolled her eyes at me, and you
know whatever. But what I loved about her is that
she would let me try on her clothes because I was,
you know, I was pretty much her size at the
time too, And so I could wear the shoes. I

(23:12):
could wear all her clothes at everything because it would
fit me. And I felt like such a grown up.
And every time I visited her, whenever I would stay
with her, she'd let me have the run of the
closet and it was so great. But yeah, the platform shoes,
I not once did I even think about putting those
things on. I just thought I was going to break
my leg.

Speaker 1 (23:32):
Yeah, next up in the seventies era, let's talk about
leisure suits. What the fuck?

Speaker 3 (23:44):
Oh yeah, the leisure suit.

Speaker 1 (23:46):
I mean, who came up with the idea of and
I know this is you know, on the tail end
of everybody dressed up for everything back in the day,
But who came up with the idea of, let's give
them a suit that we can just say that they
can wear in the house. Why? What? Well, why.

Speaker 3 (24:04):
Don't I don't Just like, I never understood in the
seventies and you can find the ads the male jumpsuit.
I didn't understand that. I still don't understand that. And
even when they did the jumpsuits for you know, like
Star Trek, the motion picture, and I know I still

(24:24):
didn't get it. I was like, why, why to put
this on a man. Yeah, I never I you know,
but the leisure suit, you know, believe it or not,
it actually made a comeback for a time and all
of those you remember the dad shirt back in the seventies,

(24:45):
the sixties and seventies where it's just as a matter
of fact on Parker Lewis's Can't Lose in that show,
Parker Lewis wore those dad shirts. I distinctly remember it
because my dad and I were watching that show and
my dad's started laughing and he said, he's wearing he's
wearing our shirts. And they made a comeback. You know,

(25:08):
there was a time when those shirts made a comeback.
The leisure suit made a comeback.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
That's that's kind of the weirdest thing about fashion, though,
because you remember there used to be cycles. Now it's
just this big hodgepodge of everything's kind of happening all
at once. They've had bell bottoms back now for a while.
They call them flare sides now, and those are still
kind of sticking around. You've got they're they're they're trying
to bring big hair back to a point, not as
big as it was in the eighties, but kind of
back to that as in a point, and it's it's

(25:34):
weird because it used to be you know, fashion would
change a little bit over time. Then people would get
nostalgic and start bringing back the other stuff. I'll i'll
Parker Lewis with those shirts, and now it's just this hot,
this hodgepodge of everything colliding all at once, and all
the weird fashion is back.

Speaker 3 (25:50):
I think that is mostly due to the resurgence in
thrift stores and you know, kids wanting something that's unusual.
I remember it was a movie that came out early
two thousands. It was called The Aquamarine. It was for kids,
and it's about a mermaid that be friends a couple

(26:11):
of girls who are very awkward, and the girls actually
have a crush on this young man. And the whole
thing behind it is that the mermaid is mad at
her dad because her dad is forcing her to marry
this other murgui, and she wants to prove that there's
love in the world, and the dad doesn't believe in it.

(26:33):
So she has just a certain amount of time to
actually prove that there is love in the world. So
they're trying to get her and the guy together because
if she can do that. If they do a favor
for a mermaid, they get a wish and they wish
to stay friends and not have one of them is

(26:54):
moving away or something. But I remember watching it there
was they're in a mall. It's supposed to take place
in Tampa, but there's mountains in the distance and all
that stuff is actually taking place in Melbourne, Australia. That's
where it was, That's where it was filmed. But you

(27:15):
know the Mermaid, you know, they go into a vintage stores,
like I love this stuff. This is so beautiful, and
the girls was like, it's so old, and she's like,
do you want to look like everybody else? So don't
you want to stand out? And that was got that
got my girls interested in wearing clothing that wasn't trendy,

(27:36):
that wasn't in fashion. They wanted to wear older things.
And they went through my wardrobe and found all sorts
of stuff that I kept from my high school years
and they wore that and they loved it, and they
went and they would buy stuff at the thrift stores,
you know that was older and everything, and they still

(27:58):
do and so do why I it's still but you
know the stuff that I'm buying. It's because I remember
my mom wearing and I kind of like it's so pretty,
and you know, June Kleeber that's me. So that's the
stuff that I buy. But you know, I see kids
nowadays going to thrift stores buying more vintage stuff. There's

(28:18):
there's a lot of vintage stores have popped up, you know,
vintage clothing stores, and they're they're not cheap. They're asking
pretty premium dollar for older stuff, you know, that's been
kept in really good condition or whatever. And then you
go to consignment boutiques where you know you can really
score some really nice vintage stuff. But that has you know,

(28:39):
that attracts people trying to stand out, you know, from
you know, from looking like everybody else. I guess, but
you're you're right. It used to be like it was
a cycle. Everything old is new again, and now everything
old is new again all the time.

Speaker 1 (28:55):
Yeah, Steve Stephen was picking up what I'm putting down.
It's because it's cernagg it's because.

Speaker 3 (29:00):
It's always certain.

Speaker 1 (29:05):
But yeah, another one I don't understand that I hope
I never see again. And it's not because they weren't comfortable.
It's just because I have I don't really ever understand
why my dad bought them for me. The Lure shirts.
The Lure yes, those those need to never come back.

Speaker 3 (29:26):
That was actually on my list of the Lure track suit.

Speaker 1 (29:31):
See, I never had the tracksuit, but my dad loved
the Loure shirts when I was a kid, and I
have to admit, as a kid, they seem really comfortable.
But then I started I look at pictures of me
and them, and I'm like, yeah, I never should or not.

Speaker 3 (29:42):
Well, I think I had a long sleeve Valure shirt
and it was a maroon color and that sucker was warm.
So during winter that was that was like my go
to nice shirt, you know, whenever I didn't want to
wear a jacket with a shirt or whatever. So I

(30:03):
really liked it, but I didn't I didn't like wearing
it out out like to good like to church or
something like that, because I mean it was not pretty.
Now full disclosure, I do have a lounge outfit. It's
so called it's loungewear from Soma and it is Valure,

(30:27):
and I wear in the house. That's a that's distinctly
just for houseware. So I don't go out in it
because I just that whole you know, the the tracksuit
came back, the Valure came back, and I love Mickey.
Mickey blow towards He's he's actually got one, but it's

(30:48):
his brand, you know, for him it works, but on
being to be ridiculous. And another thing that I absolutely
hate when they brought it back was all of the
writing on the butt. What the hell? That was one
of the worst fads I've ever seen.

Speaker 1 (31:10):
Sorry, yeah, I don't disagree. Hang on, I have to
do this real quick. I will speak ill of Valor
if I choose to sir. Okay, I'm over right now.

Speaker 3 (31:22):
But no, no, I like Valure. Don't get me wrong,
cal I like Valure. I just don't want to wear
it out because there's a lot of people that consider
it very dated and it looks I don't know, it
just makes me either. If I wear Valure, it has
to be a really pretty dress for Christmas, for a
nice special occasion or whatever. But for every day to

(31:45):
day wear, no, I can't. It's just it's too nice
a fabric.

Speaker 2 (31:51):
For me.

Speaker 3 (31:51):
Anyway.

Speaker 1 (31:52):
I don't like how it looks now grainted. I will
admit it's comfortable. I mean, if I had some Valure shirts. Still,
I probably weren't around the house, but I probably would
never wear them out because I just don't know it.

Speaker 3 (32:03):
No, it's like I said, it's warm, it's comfortable, it's
very soft. And I did have actually a bluer dress
that I wore when I was It was in mid
twenties or something like that, and my niece was about
four at the time, and it was the only thing
that kept her quiet was her being able to touch

(32:28):
my dress. So she just sat with me and I
just let her play with the skirt of it, and
it just kept her quiet for like an hour until
you know, my sister could finish cleaning whatever she was
doing or whatever it was she was doing, so it
was entertainment for the kid. But yeah, ah yeah, bit corduroy. Corduroy,

(32:57):
that's coming back, guarantee it, do I know? Because I
just bought a pair of cordory pants. I know it
still too warm out, but they were so pretty and
I looked nice in him.

Speaker 1 (33:12):
So yeah, yeah, back my granddad called that a smoking
jack with corduro with patches that he always called that
a smoking Yeah.

Speaker 3 (33:20):
I had to had to be a was it a pipe? Yeah, okay, yeah,
but but speaking of pants, there was one fad that
cracked me up, and there were there were It came
in two well second stages.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
Hang on because it just occurred to me because we
got sidetracked. I wanted to bring up one point because
you know how you don't like the fed with the
writing on the button. Yeah, all the guys liked that,
just so you know.

Speaker 3 (33:50):
Oh I know I don't guys liked it. What what
upset me was having a woman going into Pink or
Victoria's Secret where and buying that for their twelve year
old child. I'm like, you want some guy to look
at her ass all the time? Really, this is not proper.

(34:15):
But you know I'm not the parent, so but it's
just yeah, riding on the on the butt that just
I you're just signaling, hey, look at look at my ass.
And guys will do that anyway, but you gave them
literally permission to do so.

Speaker 1 (34:34):
I actually I actually use that once, but not for
the butt stuff. I was actually believe it or not,
and this this is complete seriousness. She was a really
hot girl in high school. But I was actually trying
to read her shirt. She looks at me and she says,
my eyes are up here, And I said, then stop
putting print over your tins.

Speaker 3 (34:57):
But no, but it's true. This isn't a the reason
why I never liked to have particular writing right across
the most prominent part of the shirt. You know, it's
okay to have like a whole scene going on. That's fine.
Overall design, that's fine. But when you have writing just

(35:19):
on that part, that's on purpose. You're actually wanting somebody's
eyes to be on that part of your anatomy. So yeah,
you're giving permission when you do that. And I don't
care what people say, Oh no, it's just a shirt.
It's just you know, I like the saying. Well, you know,
I like the saying too, but that's saying could have
been on the back of the shirt. Didn't have to

(35:39):
be right there between the two headlights or right across
the headlights. You know. I got it to my sister
once about that, because she she had a shirt and
she's worn doubt than I am, and it was it
was right there, and I was like, I could never
wear that, and she was like, what, you don't like

(36:00):
what I'm saying, And I said, no, I like it.
I just couldn't wear She's like, why not. It's like,
because then people would be staring at you. Well, they're
not supposed to stare. I said, then how are you
supposed to get them to read it if they don't stare.
She's like, well, you're you. You don't understand the shirt.
And I was like, no, I understand the shirt. You
are not understanding what you're doing. That's the problem. But

(36:23):
neither here nor there. She's you know, the podcasts, whatever.

Speaker 1 (36:27):
I'm gonna have to listen to some music or something
when we're done, because you keep putting songs in my head.
So what did I do? I guess it's I guess
I'm in the mood to listen to music. So yeah,
that's just how my brain's working tonight. So I decided

(36:49):
to share.

Speaker 3 (36:51):
My bad.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
No, it's not your fault. Apparently, my brain just you know,
wired for music tonight. I don't know, but yeah, some
of the fads, you know, skipping around a bit. My
least favorite. One of the ones from the eighties was
rockers in spandex. Don't ever do that again, please know.

Speaker 3 (37:11):
Please know, biker shorts on bikers, that's fine. If you're
doing weight, that's fine. If you're on stage. Not fine.

Speaker 1 (37:28):
Oh no, that's funny.

Speaker 3 (37:35):
She has beautiful eyes though, Alexander d Dario, she has
gorgeous eyes. But that's pretty funny. No. What the one
that I was going to bring up, there were two
stages for this because they came back in the nineties.
But parachute pants and the ones in the eighties were

(37:55):
you know, they were thinner, but they swished every time
the guy wearing them walked. At that point, I would
have rather that he wear EMC hammer pants because at
least they'd be more quiet. But all of that swishingsh
fish fish fish. And then the guys they did not
understand the concept of parachute pants because they wanted the

(38:19):
parachute pants to actually fit, you know, more tailored to
their posterior and their legs. And I and I'm like,
but those are parachute pants. They're supposed to be loose,
and guys would like, you know, roll up the end
of it and everything to make it more more streamlined.

(38:41):
And I'm like, okay, then wear jeans whatever. But it
just drove me crazy because these every single guy that
wore parachute pants you could hear from at least thirty
yards away?

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Why are you hate on the parachute pants.

Speaker 3 (38:56):
I just did not like them. I thought that they
were stupid.

Speaker 1 (39:01):
You know how much storage we had in those things, but.

Speaker 3 (39:04):
That's just it. You had the opportunity. A lot of
guys didn't use it for storage. They they gave up
the storage in order to be more streamlined, you know,
to be and IM just like, but their parents would
they were like, you know, cargo pants make sense, and
they would use all the pockets for the cargo pants
and that would make sense to me, but not the

(39:27):
parachute pants. That drove me crazy. And then back and
then in the nineties they came back, but actual you know,
they were all puffy and they had netting over it,
and they just they looked awful, and I was like, yeah,
let's just die.

Speaker 1 (39:43):
I missed them coming back in the nineties, So I'm
glad I missed that. But yeah, I mean you're talking
about like the heyday of the breakdance movies and everything, man,
So that was that was like, I mean, even Michael
Jackson was wearing parachute pants and ship for a while.

Speaker 3 (39:56):
Oh yeah, I know, believe me, it's still not It's
still ugly.

Speaker 1 (40:07):
You gotta be hating on the parashue pants. Besides, without
parachute pants, there wouldn't have been mc hammer pants. So
that was kind of an evolution of what they did
with those things. So one kind of led to the other.

Speaker 3 (40:19):
Just pointing that out, Oh yes, Danielle brings up a
fabulous point. It was either the thin parachute pants with
all the pockets and zippers and whatnot, or the gibroad
pants with all of the plats that looked like you're
trying to give birth to a skirt but with legs.

Speaker 1 (40:42):
Hey, we want to do this thing. Ever, we wanted
to wear plats too. Why are you judging us? I
don't know. I've never.

Speaker 3 (40:50):
Pleats are fine. Plats are fine, but plates were never fine.
There was one fashion thing that I always hated. No
matter the decade that they they keep bringing it back,
and I hate it because it makes us short waisted
hippie women look really bad.

Speaker 1 (41:09):
God damn hippie's. Oh wait, not that kind of hippie.

Speaker 3 (41:12):
And that was the peplum. And the peplum is just this.
You know, you have a shirt or a dress and
there's this extra fabric skirt on top. On your waist
that flares out so it looks like a tutu. I've
never understood the attraction of that, because no matter how

(41:32):
thin you are, it makes you look like you have
a ufo around your hips. And it just makes no
sense to me. I've never understood that if you're gonna
be if you're gonna be a ballerina, you can wear
a tutu. But if you're out at about where, no,
it looks stupid. Just never understood the peplum. Now.

Speaker 1 (41:54):
I know we're only supposed to be talking about the
ones that we that we don't like, but I have
to give an honorable mention tonight to Daisy. Since we're
currently in the area of the eighties, best time to
be alive.

Speaker 3 (42:03):
I'm just saying, wait, so you like those not on me?

Speaker 1 (42:10):
Yes? No, no, but yes, yes, not on me? Yes
they were.

Speaker 3 (42:17):
They actually had a resurgence in the nineties and the
I remember Dacy digs were very popular in the eighties.

Speaker 1 (42:24):
Thank you Catherine Bach, one of my first.

Speaker 3 (42:30):
She was so hot, she was so beautiful and UH
and they kind of went away for a little while
in favor of.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
UH.

Speaker 3 (42:41):
The the Bermuda pleaded shorts for women, which watch a
step backwards in my opinion, but you know whatever, but they,
you know, seventeen and Vogue and Glamor. They were talking
about how that particular style you can dress up for Christmas,

(43:03):
you can dress up blah blah blah blah. So the
Bermuda Show actually came back in style in a dressier form,
you know, and everything, and so that was. And then
they brought the paperbag style, which was the you know,
reached on top, so it looked like you had paperbags
tied around your waist, you know, and so that and

(43:25):
then people were like, yeah, this is not conning it
for me. And the Daisy Ducks came back and you
had either the frayed bottom or you had the rolled
bottom of the of the leg of the high leg.
So I admit I caved. I was still young and

(43:46):
still single. I caved, and I got a pair of
the World ones. I wore them to Asker World, and
when I got home, I never again wore them. I
wore them once and I got so many cock calls.
I was like, no, I didn't like the attention. I
really did not like the attention. And the thing was

(44:07):
I bought them so I could get attention because my girlfriend,
my best friend, was with me, and she was like,
you have the body, you need these blah blah blah blah.
I broke down and I had the little tank top
and a little jean jacket that went with it, and
you know, the sneakers they were the Reebok high top
and you know I had saved for a very long

(44:29):
time to get those shoes. But you know, it was
like and we went to ass her world. Everybody was
you know, there was cat calling, there was whistles and
all that stuff. And I was like and she was like, see,
you do look good. You do look good. And I'm like,
take me home, Take me home, Take me home. Just

(44:50):
didn't want to be there. And I never I never
wore them again, never wore them again. After spending so
much money, I never wore them again.

Speaker 2 (45:00):
Though.

Speaker 1 (45:04):
She's like, well, if you're not gonna wear them, I'm
gonna wear them.

Speaker 3 (45:06):
Oh yeah, she took them. She took the jacket and
the and the shorts and she bore them all the time.
She actually wore them to the Honky Tonk copy.

Speaker 1 (45:18):
Nice. Oh so another terrible fad. Maybe you can help
me understand this one because I never did understand it
what the hell was going on with the shoulder pads
and chicks clothing in the eighties.

Speaker 3 (45:36):
Shoulder pads have an interesting history because they were first
very popular back in late thirties early forties. That's when
they became kind of like a staple. But it was
the shoulder pads that were used then were con measure

(45:58):
it with where your shoulder and so that was you know,
it gave you a more tailored silhouette. In the eighties,
Thank you Dynasty Linda Evans and Joan Collins and Diane
Carroll and you know, the main designer for all of

(46:19):
that clothing line was Nolan Miller, who is who was
one of the foremost fashion designers in the US, both
for film and for actual couture. But he put shoulder
pads and everything. But the shoulder pads did not end
at the end of your shoulder. They extended out a

(46:41):
little bit more so you looked like you had like
wings or something. You know, it made you look like
you had huge shoulders, and it was ridiculous. Everything came
with shoulder pads, and they at first when you bought them,
they were sewn in, but then people got smart and

(47:03):
they put velcro so you could remove them, because they
found out people were actually cutting them out like me,
so they started putting removable shoulder pads. And you could
actually buy shoulder pads in a little canister when you
walked into a department store and they were being sold
where the shoes were, the socks were, the purses, all

(47:24):
of the accessories. That's where you could find the shoulder pads,
and or you could find them in the lingerie section.
But you could buy them in a little canister, you know,
like a set of four or set of eight, depending
on how many you want it, because you needed, you know,
to one freach side. But they exaggerated the the you know,

(47:46):
the shoulder area, and in my opinion, that was just
like an exaggeration that didn't need to be. You could
have stopped at where the shoulder itself stops and it'll
be okay, but it actually went outward even more so.
And I think my leather, my long leather jacket still

(48:07):
has the type of shoulder pads that started between you know,
halfway down the neck to the shoulder halfway there and
went around down the shoulder, so it made you look
like you were bulky, But I don't understand why they

(48:30):
had to exaggerate the shoulder so big. I mean, it's
bad enough we had big hair in the eighties, you know,
the bigger the hair, the closer to God. What did
the shoulder pads do well?

Speaker 1 (48:41):
Actually, Steven's kind of explaining in the chat, I think, well,
I thought that too.

Speaker 3 (48:50):
But that's not something that you could do for a
lot of the clothing, Like if it were a suit
in a business setting, I could understand why they wanted
to do that, But if it's evening gown, or if
it's a dress for church or you know, or a

(49:11):
day to day dress, or even just a regular jacket
when you're going out to, you know, grocery shop, that
kind of thing is just it was just weird to me.

Speaker 2 (49:22):
It was.

Speaker 3 (49:23):
It was a mistake. It's a mistake.

Speaker 1 (49:29):
Yeah, yeah, But I don't don't necessarily disagree. I just
I always thought to me it was a weird look,
and then you knew at some point it started losing
favor when it became one of the blonde jokes. How
do you kill a blonde? Put a spike in her
shoulder pants?

Speaker 3 (49:49):
I remember that joke.

Speaker 1 (49:51):
I don't know, I don't know yet, but.

Speaker 3 (49:58):
Yeah, it was. There was. There was a lot of
mixture for me. You know, there was a miscommunication when
wearing the shoulder pads because yes, in some instances they
did have that you know, more powerful ara type of thing,
but there were some situations where you didn't need it,
so but they put them in everything. I remember buying

(50:21):
T shirts that had shoulder pads. T shirts that had
shoulder pads. Okay, I remember, you know, like I said,
my long leather duster has that weird shoulder pad thing
that encompasses the whole shoulder. I had a dress that

(50:42):
I bought for church, which was that I don't know.
Back in the there was that really satiny damask material
that they made a lot of dresses from. So I
bought one of those and it was were pretty and everything,
and it had those giant shoulder pads and I'm like,
I don't need this, So I took them out and
I had to take it in a little bit at

(51:03):
the shoulder because when putting in the shoulder pads, they
actually had to extend the shoulder area out to compensate
for where the sleeve was going to fall. So I
actually had to take that part in in order for
the sleep to fall better. It's it was a ridiculous thing,
and I'm so glad nobody's do they make stuff with
shoulder pads now?

Speaker 1 (51:24):
If they do, I haven't seen it in a while,
so hopefully not.

Speaker 3 (51:32):
I'm trying to figure out the sun dress with the
shoulder pads.

Speaker 1 (51:39):
Especially well, especially with what they're running jokes that sundresses
have kind of become for easy women.

Speaker 3 (51:46):
See, they have ruined sundresses for me because I used
to love sundresses, and full disclosure, never wore them outside
the house, but I liked them. They were nice, light,
I could do all the gardening, you know, outside, I
could water my law, I could water the plants, you
could cook, you could, you know, sweep, mop whatever, wearing

(52:10):
a little sundress and it was light in there. And
now I can't. I can't. I can't wear the one
without questioning myself.

Speaker 1 (52:25):
Oh fun times.

Speaker 3 (52:28):
I had no idea that the sundress was associated with
loose women until I saw a thread on on X
and I'm like, how how did this happen? Who has
ruined it for me?

Speaker 1 (52:39):
And I could the sundress has been, had been, has
been misappropriated by Thursday Women.

Speaker 3 (52:45):
So only want to say, well, I don't tend to
put my pictures up on any social media often. I
think I do it for I think my birthday and Halloween,
but Halloween them, you know, in a costume. So yeah,

(53:05):
I'm pretty safe. I'm not going to be putting a
picture of me in a sun dress anytime soon.

Speaker 1 (53:14):
Not happening, ah, just kidding. So interesting because I'm going
through some of these things that I was researching earlier,
and and I think one of them has already been referenced,
but since we were bringing up the Valore stuff, I
guess it made a comeback at some point because there
was something that Danielle reference called a juicy suit, which

(53:36):
was juicy couture or yeah, it was a full Valor
suits like maybe a track suit with the m I
luckily I missed that apparently, so I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Oh, yes, that was made popular in Mean Girls. I
believe the mom was wearing wine.

Speaker 1 (53:57):
Yeah, probably any and then one of the next ones
on my list of things that need to die in
a fire skinny jens.

Speaker 3 (54:08):
I've I know a lot of people say, oh, skinny
jeans are great because they make your legs live longer,
and I'm like, I just want to look even, Okay,
I don't need to look like a plant spike. I
just want to look I have. I think I have

(54:29):
one pair of skinny jeans, but I refuse to give
them up because they go so well with this particular
top that I own, and I only wear them on
celestial knights, so when we're out for some celestial event
or whatever, that's what I want to Because they called

(54:51):
the constellation jeans because they have like little white spattering everywhere,
so it looks like constellation. So that's but that's the
only pair on the rest actually make me look even
like straight down. I just if I put if I
were to put on skinny jeans, I literally would look

(55:12):
like a plant spike. I mean, like like this v
down that just push it to the turd.

Speaker 2 (55:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (55:24):
I just I don't look good at skinny jeans. I don't.
I just too my heads are too wide, I'm too
ample in the back, and it just looks ridiculous on me.
I My husband doesn't seem to think, so he seems
to think that they're great, but I don't, and I'm
not comfortable with I don't like tight clothing on me,

(55:47):
especially if I'm out in public, So I try not
to wear snut clothing. So you know, that's why those
genes only come out at night. You could see.

Speaker 1 (56:02):
Brown brown cow. This is this is why he'll be
like to tight clothing because it only comes out at night.

Speaker 3 (56:13):
There you go, That's why I wear my sunglasses that
night too.

Speaker 1 (56:19):
Oh well played, man, well played.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
You're gonna have to dig that one out, don't you.

Speaker 1 (56:26):
It's already going in my head, that dude, that that
was I said. I told you that story before I
got my first boombox. I think when I was I
think it was the Christmas I turned nine because it
was shortly after my earth No, it was my eighth.
It was the Christmas year I turned eight because it
was right after my parents got divorced. And that was
one of the first cassette tapes my mom ever bought
me to go with that thing, and I swear I

(56:47):
played that thing every single day to the point where
I know it was driving her crazy, and she still
let me play it. Anyway, we do that, Yeah, No,
And that was really one of my favorite songs. For
a while, I hadn't done and the researching it when
we talked about you know, one hit Wonders, because that
was one of them, and realizing that the entire reason

(57:10):
he bought that he wrote the song was because he
was pissed because he could finally afford a really expensive
pair of sunglasses he'd always wandered he was working in
an area where he never could wear them, Right, I
was like this.

Speaker 3 (57:25):
And he got a really good hit out of it.

Speaker 1 (57:28):
So but yeah, I mean it worked. He turned his
angst into money, so that's a good plan. Oh so
this one isn't necessarily a clothing trend, but it's a
trend that sprung from clothing and I haven't seen it
as much lately, so I hope it's dying. It's been
around long enough that I can't even really call it
a fat anymore. But it's still something that really annoys me.

(57:50):
And it's the saggy genius because the guys that run
around with their genes sagga everywhere, because I think, I
think if anybody would ever start actually teaching them where
that cult where that culturally came from, and what it signified,
a lot of guys wouldn't be doing it. Some still
would because they'd be advertising for it, but a lot wouldn't,
I don't think, because yeah, that's that's basically prison culture,

(58:13):
and a meant you were open for business for some
backdoor action. That's what that was. And either most of
the kids doing it don't know that or they just
don't care. But it's still like, Uh. Used to drive
me crazy when my oldest was younger, because he was
one of those kids wanting to sack everywhere, and I'm like, dude,
if you do not, if you do not, put a
belt on, I am going You're never gonna leave your room,

(58:37):
never gonna leave your room. So he'd put a belt on,
then he'd take it off as soon as he left
the house because he's my kids smart ass. But yeah,
and unfortunately that's been around for a long time, so
I'm not sure it's going anywhere. I haven't noticed it
as much lately, but I also don't go into the
city as much as I used to, so that's probably
what I'm not noticing it anymore.

Speaker 3 (58:57):
So I never understood that, and when it was explained
to me where it came from, I was like, do
these people know? And then I started thinking, either no,
they have absolutely no clue or they do what they're advertising.

(59:19):
So okay, but but I remember one of my neighbors,
one of his sons when you know, started doing that,
and my neighbor was like telling him, you're not leaving
the house wearing that, and he got into a huge fight.

(59:44):
And I was his sponsor for his confirmation in the church,
and so you know, my neighbor called me and asked
me if I could come intercede, and so I went
over there.

Speaker 1 (59:58):
And I.

Speaker 3 (01:00:00):
I was like, you know what's going on. You know
you can talk to me. That's why i'm your sponsor.
I'm your liaison whenever you need help with anything. And
and he's like, you know, I'm trying to express myself
and you know, Dad's not letting me and all this stuff.
And I said, well, how are you trying to express yourself?
And he said, I want to wear you know, my

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pants like this, like all my friends do. And I
looked at him, I was like, were you in prison?

Speaker 2 (01:00:28):
And he was like what.

Speaker 3 (01:00:29):
I was like, well, that's what they do in prison.
They advertised you know, who's the who's going to get
screwed in prison by wearing that. I had no idea
you went to prison once I said that, and I
looked shocked, and I was like, when did you go
to prison? I was like, I was like panicking to
make a point, and he was like no, and I

(01:00:55):
was like I had I you know, I don't judge.
What you do is your business. If if you are
in a relationship that is a same sex relationship, well
you know that's something you need to discuss with your parents.
And I mean, he was backtracking, completely backtracking. This was

(01:01:15):
this happened like five years ago. He is now the
proud father of this beautiful baby boy. But it kind
of scared him, you know, because he didn't know. And
I was like, you know, I went in, you know,
and I pretended to be shocked and you know, just
having a hissy fit because oh my god, I had
no idea you've been to prison, because I had been

(01:01:36):
gone for a while and he had moved away for
a while, so I could play that, you know, But
I was just like, why do kids want to do this?
Why does it not only looks stupid? You can't walk
very well wearing it like that. You know, it cannot

(01:01:57):
feel comfortable either, because you're cinching that across your your
your private area. You can't be very comfortable either. How
do guys do that?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
I've never been able to do it. That wone drive
me absolutely insane.

Speaker 3 (01:02:17):
But you know, like I said, it was Danielle I've had.
That wasn't even the worst part that I had with
that young man. But I'm so glad that he has
he has straightened out, and I'm very happy that I
actually played a part in his straining out. But that
was That's one of the weirdest things that I ever

(01:02:38):
had to deal with, was actually, you know, dealing with
somebody wearing that, you know, somebody that I'm supposed to
guide and help and mentor and help grow and.

Speaker 1 (01:02:50):
All that stuff.

Speaker 3 (01:02:51):
No, this is not happening to me right now? Then
why did why? Why is this even happening? But yeah,
I never understood that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:03):
I don't.

Speaker 3 (01:03:04):
It doesn't look comfortable, It makes you look slovenly, it
makes you look it doesn't It's not attractive. I mean,
there's a lot of ads that are not attractive, but
that one in particular sands.

Speaker 1 (01:03:21):
Out well, like you know, plus size women in yoga
pants and Walmart. That's something else that needs today.

Speaker 3 (01:03:27):
Oh yeah, I'm always proud of myself when I dress
for Target, but I go to Walmart, I figured I
have I have like achieved a certain level. But of
course I was in I wasn't Target about a month ago,
and I was like shocked at how messy and how
it has gone downhill quite a bit. So now I'm like,

(01:03:48):
I need to start dressing for like coals. Anyway, I
think there was one There was one fad that was
very popular in the eighties, and I never understood why

(01:04:10):
women thought this was cute or pretty. You see it
in a lot of movies from the eighties. You see
it in videos a lot, particularly in sharp dressed ban
and you'll know what I'm talking about is the Bobby
socks with the high heels. I never understood that.

Speaker 1 (01:04:32):
Yeah, that was weird.

Speaker 3 (01:04:33):
I was like, why, I don't understand, you're giving a
really weird vibe here, because a high heel signifies womanhood,
but a Bobby socks they don't. Okay, so you're kind
of infantilizing your womanhood in a way when you're That

(01:04:54):
was what I was getting out of it. I was like,
so bathing yourself, I don't understand.

Speaker 1 (01:05:00):
I think I just kind of figured it out unfortunately,
because that was also the very very beginnings of Call
Me or Call Me Daddy culture.

Speaker 3 (01:05:08):
Oh god, fick I was I was drinking.

Speaker 1 (01:05:14):
Yeah, I think that may have had some yeah, because
even I was just like getting I'm all in for
that vibe.

Speaker 3 (01:05:26):
Oh goodness, I'm still angling for Ordi to come visit me,
bring bring Mama Orty too. So I'm not I'm not
wearing that, lady. I'm just letting you know right now.

Speaker 1 (01:05:36):
Can't believe I'm right there with your brother I had.
I was not paying attention to the socks in the video, like,
not at all. And there are other things I was
looking at. It's a cool video, there are other things
I was looking at. I was not paying the socks.
But yeah, I guess maybe that that was around the
same time that certain guys started wearing socks with sandals too,

(01:05:58):
So maybe that was just some weird vibe going on.

Speaker 3 (01:05:59):
With Maybe it was just the whole socks are cool thing.
I don't know. I mean, I like g I have
a lot of you know, funky socks and everything. I
don't post pictures a lot, you know, like she does,
but that's his brand. But I have my share. I
have like about twenty five thirty pairs of you know,
fun socks or whatever. But I never did the Bobby

(01:06:22):
socks with the high heel thing. And I had friends
in high school and in college that did it constantly,
and I just thought it looked it looked weird. It
just didn't go so.

Speaker 2 (01:06:38):
That am.

Speaker 1 (01:06:38):
If you're going to try to cover for already, remember
electro lights, bro Electrolights. A lot more work going on
behind the scenes of that circle, kay than you know,
lots of electroly likes.

Speaker 3 (01:06:50):
Oh yeah, the wicker boat shoes from miamvivis. Oh my god,
Miamivice has an entire chapter devoted to fashion stoos and notes. Yeah, yeah,
I would wear everything.

Speaker 1 (01:07:05):
Yeah, I remember like that. There was like this weird
vine back then where you know, all of a sudden
it was okay to wear like pastel T shirts and blazers,
which was everybody was doing. Now you look at it,
going why.

Speaker 3 (01:07:18):
But the thing was, you know, there was back in
the eighties it became very popular for girls to wear
jeans with boyfriend jackets, and that was a big no
no in Vogue, and they said, oh, this is gonna
peter out. And at the end of the year. They
actually had to write a retraction on that particular trend.

(01:07:41):
They thought it was bad, but it became a trend
and people to this They still do it.

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
I know I do. It still happened, but you know,
but it was.

Speaker 3 (01:07:53):
But it was funny because Vogue came out they had
an entire I remember this because at the time, I
was actually working at a clothing store and my manager
came in and she had the copy of Fogus is.
You know, we're selling these boyfriend jackets and we're putting

(01:08:13):
them in the in the window with jeans and shirt,
you know, T shirt and everything, and she says, look
what Bogus saying about it. I think, you know, this
is going to be bad. So she she was a
manager of the store, she called the district manager. She
wanted to talk about this because she was very alarmed

(01:08:34):
that we were actually not reading the trends correctly. And
you know, she graduated from F I T or whatever,
so you know, she was really into the whole trend thing.
And me, I'm like, I'm just here to put, you know,
the stuff in the window. I'm here to sell the clothes.
I don't I really care. At the time. But you know,

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at the end of the year, Vogue actually had to
make another thing about how wrong they were about this
fashion trend, which, by the way, the fashion trend is
still going on. Women do this. They still wear the
jeans with their boyfriend jacket or more tailored jacket or whatever,
and now they do it with leggings and a jacket.

(01:09:18):
So Vogue was wrong, has been wrong for the past
thirty years.

Speaker 1 (01:09:24):
Well since we brought up Miami Advice. And another trend
that was started by them, not clothing related, is they
were the first nationally televised show that was able to
use licensed music in their show. You remember, like night
Rider and all the other cool shows that were around
that same time. They could play the music, but it

(01:09:44):
was always a cover of the music because they couldn't
actually use their original artist work. Miami Vice was the
first TV show in America was able to do that.
And it's been a fight ever since because now they're like, oh,
we have it a revenue stream.

Speaker 3 (01:09:59):
Weren't first? Were they not the first TV show? Or
maybe it was Love Vote, It was one of the
two that the lead song, the opening song, actually the
hit number one or was in the top ten and
Billboard chart or something like that, because I know it
was what's the same hammer, right, young hammer?

Speaker 1 (01:10:22):
Hang on? Because bit, you're right. But they actually only
had the licensing rights for the first run, so if
you find those now and you go watch the episodes,
you'll notice that music's not in there anymore. Miami Vice
actually paid for the run rights and the rebroadcast rights,
so anytime you find their stuff, it's still in there.
So that was so WKFP was the first ones to

(01:10:43):
really try to do it, but they didn't do it right,
so they had to pull the songs out for syndication.
Miami Vice was the first ones to do it right.
So good catch, though, because I almost forgot about that
and they wasted the license on it.

Speaker 3 (01:11:07):
I adore Calvin, but no, he's right, he's right. But
huh oh oh, you brought up you brought up these
fand X and I will ratchet up with the latex. That,

(01:11:32):
to me, has been the most egregious thing I've ever seen.
I don't understand it. I understand that for a certain
group latex signifies some things, outside of that, to me,
it just signifies, holy shit, aren't you hot wearing that shit?

(01:11:54):
I don't get it. I know it sounds weird, but
I I I appreciate the fact that it's appreciated by people.
It's just it's but it's there's it's a niche. It's
a niche thing. And when you take it outside of

(01:12:16):
that niche and make it into a standard or trying
to make it into a trend, it just doesn't. It
doesn't go. I mean, I'm just I look at that,
and all I can think of is like I would
feel like I was, I was suffocating. I don't. I
just don't understand it.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Yeah, I don't know either.

Speaker 3 (01:12:37):
I mean, you know, I think I'm breaking or these heart.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
But okay, Latex has some good usage, you know, to
certain things.

Speaker 3 (01:12:49):
But but I cannot.

Speaker 1 (01:12:53):
I mean.

Speaker 3 (01:12:55):
To give you an example. A forefriend, aforementioned best friend,
she bought a Latex skirt. This was back ninety four,
I think it was ninety four, and she thought it'd
be great for clubbing. And all I can think of was,

(01:13:17):
at least if you spill your beer, you can just
wipe it off. We went clubbing. I was wearing I
think I was wearing.

Speaker 1 (01:13:27):
Like a.

Speaker 3 (01:13:31):
Jean the denim jacket, but with denim Bermuda shorts. Okay,
that was also a bad fashion tread. It should have
just been the jeans, but no, the jean shorts. No
idea why I did it, but that's what I was wearing.
I wanted to be comfortable, and I was wearing tennisches too.
The little kids. We went clubbing and at the end

(01:13:52):
of the night she took off her skirt in the
car because it was so hot, and I'm like, can you, like,
do you have something to like cover yourself with? And
she's like, no, I just I can't abide it anymore.
And she threw in the back and we drove home like,
thankfully we didn't get pulled over. Nice, thank god you

(01:14:15):
got a garage because somebody saw us get out of car.

Speaker 1 (01:14:20):
So in, buddy, this this comment has me with questions. Now,
I don't know how or why you know this.

Speaker 3 (01:14:30):
I don't know, I've no idea.

Speaker 1 (01:14:33):
I feel like the chat spinning off into into its
own little side conversation and that.

Speaker 3 (01:14:38):
Was that was my bad. I brought up latex. But
I'm telling you, latex is just it's a fashion faux pas.
It's if you want to do it while you're in
scene or you're in that little group of people who
enjoys late tex, that's fine, but as it's it's oh god, no,
it's like you're wearing a plastic bag. Why would you

(01:14:59):
do this yourself?

Speaker 1 (01:15:01):
Speaking of fashion trends, as a guy that was working
club security throughout mid mid to mid nineties to early
two thousands, can I just say hot chicks and fish
nets was kind of cool?

Speaker 3 (01:15:13):
Okay? Fish Nets never a fashion fauxtpa. Never. They have
never been a fashion footpa. And I don't understand why
they continually go away and then come back and go away.
They should just have a standard. Fish Nets are not
a fashion propole. I will die on that hill they are.

(01:15:35):
There's a certain aura about wearing a fish net because
you know, a guy will look at fish nets and
just wow, you know, and she doesn't have to be
wearing anything revealing or short. It could just be a
simple dress, but wearing those fish nets, it's like, you know,

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guys are like, ooh, that's kind of cool.

Speaker 2 (01:15:58):
You know.

Speaker 3 (01:15:59):
It's kind of like with a Cuban heel, when you're
wearing stockings and you have the cuban heel, and it's
not just the scene running up the back, but you
can see part of the heel as well. Men actually
are very attractive to that. And I don't know what
it is about it. I've seen it, and you know,
for me, fish nets. No, that's that's a good standard.

(01:16:23):
It's a good trend. I'm good. I'm gonna say it.

Speaker 1 (01:16:26):
I'll like and say, as you've earned one of these
giggity giggy.

Speaker 3 (01:16:35):
Yeah. Okay, So Calvin, she wasn't technically wearing fish nets.
She was actually wearing patterned tights and it was an
awful pattern because you couldn't tell what it was. I
actually had to look at the video and determined she
had roses on those patterned tights. But the way that

(01:17:01):
it was positioned, it looked really really bad. Then the
next time she wore something that approximated fish nets, but
in truth, there were tights. A fish net is actually open,
you know, it shows the skin all the way through.

Speaker 2 (01:17:18):
This was not.

Speaker 3 (01:17:19):
This was actually a tight with that fish net pattern.
It looked really bad. But she's you gotta be in
a right frame of mind when you're wearing something like that,
and she was trying to hard. She honestly thought she
was Vogue material because they told her she was, and

(01:17:39):
so yeah, that was that was That was a full
pot on her part. She should have just stuck with
regular you know, pantyhose would have been fine, and and
stepped away from the upholstery fabric. That would have been
good too. But I'll just quit right there.

Speaker 1 (01:18:02):
Yeah, can I speak to you a moment about my religion,
gothpets and fish nets. I just think we need to
talk to you about this religion. Sir.

Speaker 3 (01:18:16):
It's gothnight, this is turning dark.

Speaker 1 (01:18:20):
I mean it is technically dark outside.

Speaker 3 (01:18:23):
Yeah, this is true, this is true. But no, I've
always I always thought that I have the cutest pair
of fishnuts and they're actually they're actually flesh tone fish nets,
but they have these little sequins and it looks like bubbles.
And I wore them with my costume one year when

(01:18:44):
I was the Booze Fairy. Those were the ones that
I wore, and everybody was like, where did you get those?
Where did you get those? I was like Amazon, I
just I just did Amazon fish net and every single
type of fish that came up, but those were I
needed some that were champagne colored, and those came up

(01:19:05):
and they had little glittery things on them and still
have them.

Speaker 1 (01:19:13):
Yeah, there are there.

Speaker 3 (01:19:21):
I mean they're like they're like I said, they're champagne
colored and they have these little iridescent round dots and
they look like little bubbles like they're open, you know, circles,
and it looks like bubbles. Because that was the Booze Faery.
So I was looking for something that was bubbly and
that was it. So yeah, they're cute. But yes, I

(01:19:46):
have several pairs. I don't wear them anymore because there's
no place to wear them. But I have several pairs. Oh,
I'm gonna go visit Danielle and I'm gonna wear a
pair and then Danielle and I can take pictures just
sitting there in the veranda where with our fisteds.

Speaker 1 (01:20:13):
All the guys in the shadow are like, yes please.

Speaker 3 (01:20:19):
But like I said, I don't. I just wear a
regular you know, regular dress. I don't. I don't wear
anything revealing or anything. It's just it's just a fun touch,
you know, and it looks it looks. It looks cool,
especially if you had little black booties or you know,
black heels, that's kind of cool. Anyway, moving away from

(01:20:41):
that any other trends or fads that were bad.

Speaker 2 (01:20:45):
Do we have to?

Speaker 1 (01:20:46):
I'm still waiting for the pictures, just kidding, So I don't.
I don't think it really counts as a fad because
I know they still exist. But corduroy jeans, okay, so.

Speaker 3 (01:21:05):
Okay, like corduroy pants, yeah, actually jeans.

Speaker 1 (01:21:10):
Well, I mean corduroy pants. I say jeans, but I
know jeans are usually denim, but you know cordorykay. Yeah.
My dad always used to make there was like this
pair of like tan corduroy pants. My dad always wanted
me to wear with a western shirt, and I hated
the pants and I wasn't really a fan of the
shirt either. But my dad got my dad when he

(01:21:31):
discovered that he hated disco music, got really big into
country and then all of a sudden started wearing all
the you know, the jeans and the belts with the
big buckles and the boots and the hats, and he
wanted me to do the same thing when I was
like six, seven, eight years old, and yeah, for some reason,
it was always this one pair of corduroy pants and
this kind of it was a dark brown pair of

(01:21:52):
corduroy pants, a belt with a big buckle with my
name on the back of it, and a tan western
style shirt that they always wanted me to wear when
we were going places. And I hated those. They were
just they weren't comfortable. They felt even heavier than jeans,
and I've never really liked jeans to begin with, and
they just didn't I didn't like them. I own, no,

(01:22:16):
I don't know.

Speaker 3 (01:22:19):
I kind of like I said, I bought a pair
recently because it was this beautiful russet color and it
was perfect for fall. And so when the temperatures drop,
I love to wear my fall colors. I don't look
good in oranges, I don't look at any yellows, but
I don't give a shit. I will wear the hell

(01:22:41):
out of fall colors during fall because it's fall. And
so I was at the store. I was with my
youngest she needed to buy a sweater or something. I
don't know. I was there and I was cruising and
I saw the hat corduroy. I was like, I have
not worn corduroy since I was only crap. I couldn't
even remember the last time I wore corduroy. So I

(01:23:03):
went and I tried them on. It was actually like
very thin cordory. I think it's called pinwhale, very very
thin lines of corduroy, so not the very thick lines
of cordory that stand out, you know. And so I
tried them on. I was like, oh they fit, this
is great, you know. And they're, like I said, straight pants,
you know. And so I bought the pair and I'm.

Speaker 1 (01:23:29):
I get home.

Speaker 3 (01:23:31):
And I bring the bag in and my husband asking
me what I bought and I told him, look, it's
like it's one hundred degrees outside that you bought those,
I said, I'm not wearing them today. That's the first association.
It's such a warm item of clothing that is reserved
for fall and winter. And it's a shame because I

(01:23:56):
I've always liked that. I always thought that it looked
really neat. But I guess I'm in the minority.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Maybe not.

Speaker 1 (01:24:05):
I mean, I'm you know, a lot of a lot
of people apparently in the chat, like Danielle just said
she liked she likes cordroy pants because these are because
they used to come in a lot of cool colors.

Speaker 3 (01:24:15):
These are I mean, these are so pretty. They're just
there's this beautiful rust color. I don't I don't know
how to describe it. And then and then I go
look online in the catalog and they have it in teal,
and I'm like, ah, I gotta get that pair too,
So I ordered them. This should be coming next week,

(01:24:36):
but you know, no teal for Christmas seasons. But I
just I always thought that cordery was a great fabric
for you know, winter time. And because I don't want
to wear jeans all the time, I want to wear
something else. And so especially if I'm going to church,

(01:24:57):
I don't wear those to church. But you know, when
I go to church, if I want to wear pants,
I want them, you know, in the wintertime, I want
them to be warm. So that's what the corduroy comes in.
I don't feel comfortable wearing jeans to shirt. I mean
a lot of people do, and it's fine. It's just
that I was brought up in the whole street dressing

(01:25:20):
for Sunday service, and so i'd still adhere to it.
And Mom is like, I mean, the other day we're
going to church and I'm actually wearing slacks and she's
looking at me, going, you're wearing that. I went, I
went back and I put it on a dress. That's like,

(01:25:42):
it's this better. It's like, okay, So we went to church.
But I mean, keep in mind she was wearing slacks.
But it's totally different because she's almost eighty so I
guess she still sees me as being twenty, which is nice.
She was like, you're wearing that, Like, okay, I'm gonna

(01:26:03):
go change. But you know, in the winter time, I
want to wear something warmer when I go to church.
So that's a good option. Aside from the you know,
I don't that way. I don't rely on my jeans.
Another option is to get like khakis with like, you know,
flannel lining. I love that. I that's not a trend,

(01:26:27):
that's an actual necessity where I'm at. So the jeens
with the flannel lining, those are great, so.

Speaker 1 (01:26:35):
Nice.

Speaker 3 (01:26:36):
But yeah, I've always I always thought cordory was a
really neat fabric. Now I couldn't wear a cordery jacket.
It's just for me. Cordory belongs on pants, not on dresses,
not on overall, it's just pants.

Speaker 1 (01:26:54):
Yeah, I don't know, but I don't know. I think
we'll I think we'll maybe trying to tell us that
he's currently wearing parachute pants and that they never went
out of style. I may have misread what he did.

Speaker 3 (01:27:04):
I don't know, but yeah, Corridory, Like I said, the
pants are okay. Everything else made from cordery now, I
even pillows which made headlines according to B Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:27:21):
I saw that earlier. I was like, wait, cordory pillows.
That seems like that would be really uncomfortable. I don't
know if I want my head on that.

Speaker 3 (01:27:27):
Oh no, no, no, you can. You can go on
Amazon and you can buy pillow covers that are man
from corduroy. I know I've seen them.

Speaker 1 (01:27:37):
Yeah, no, nope, nope, nope. I'm good. But yeah, maybe
that's one reason why I've never really liked corduroy, because
it is a heavier fabric and I, like I said,
I'm not a jeans guy anyway, and never really have been,
and especially now that I really have to leave the house,
I'm almost ever in pants to begin with. I do
wear shorts, don't panic, but I don't usually wear pants.

Speaker 3 (01:27:59):
That's because this is Team No Pats.

Speaker 1 (01:28:02):
Exactly, hashtag Team No Paints.

Speaker 3 (01:28:04):
That's right. Anyway, Well, we're up almost at the end
of the hour, so I guess we can start wrapping
it up.

Speaker 1 (01:28:11):
Yep, takes us just about that time to wrap it
up anyway. So where can folks find you?

Speaker 3 (01:28:15):
Well, you can find me at Agiriken and at Agi
the barkeep does are over on x You can find
me eight thirty pm Eastern Tuesday nights doing the Cocktail
Lounge with the ever Swave brat Slagger a thirty pm
Eastern Friday nights doing he said, she said, with the
awesome you. The second Wednesday of every month, the guys
get together for Toxic Masculinity at eight pm, where I

(01:28:37):
bring the drink of the evening and Jeff and I
now do a book podcast that's on the first Monday
of every month at eight thirty pm Eastern as well.
How about you.

Speaker 1 (01:28:49):
Well, first, I'd like to give a quick shout out
to everybody on the Toxic Masculinity crew. We are now
number four out of one hundred in our category thanks
to all pot we're part of, so that was kind
of awesome. But yeah, as far as finding me, you
can find me. Tomorrow. I'll be putting out some twitchy
pieces and I've planned on doing it today and hit

(01:29:10):
a Wall, so I'll probably put out a few tomorrow
and then Sunday as well. Also Tomorrow evening Pushing Buttons
for the Front Porch Forensics Forensics Crew first starting at
eight pm Eastern and then followed by a juxtaposition at
ten pm Eastern Sunday night, both Pushing Buttons and now
officially co hosting on Korn's Reading Room, that is at

(01:29:31):
seven pm Eastern Monday night, America Off the Rails Tuesday night.
After you guys finish up, we'll be over hanging out
with the Man Rama Crew and then for everything else,
just go ahead and check the schedule, because if I
listed everything I'd do, we'd be here forever. You can
also find me as a at Misfits Politics dot com,
loftest Party dot com, and also produce a Lote Party
podcast which drops on Tuesdays. And that's pretty much it.

Speaker 3 (01:29:57):
Thanks so much for joining us, y'all. It was a
lot of fun bitching and moaning about the crap we
had to wear when we were younger.

Speaker 1 (01:30:05):
Well it was either that or get stabby about cracker barrel.

Speaker 3 (01:30:07):
So yeah, I just didn't want to get stabby about
cracker barrel.

Speaker 1 (01:30:12):
But but you guys really should go find out. You
guys really should go find the Dude Wipe's account and
go check out their new logo.

Speaker 3 (01:30:20):
Good Night,