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Welcome to hip Hop Now Pop. If you from the future,
you know what to do. Show as out of life,
so disrespect the leg hip hop is say this today,
let's get right into the business. What up, y'all? I
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am your host Vegas and this it's hip Hop Now
podcasting podcast specifically designed to keep you caught up on
all things hip hop music and culture that happened throughout
the week. This is officially a hip Hop Now Podcast
bonus episode. What that means just means I'm going to
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focus on one topic at hand, and today we're going
to focus on Listen, gay, what do I mean? Okay, Well,
let's get right into the business. Why don't we? So,
if you have been under a rock and you're not
aware of what typically happens on social media from time
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to time, particularly hip hop social media. Multiple times throughout
the year, hip hop media outlets will put out a
list top albums of all time, greatest mcs, you name it,
top one hundred, top fifty, top twenty, and generally speaking
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like I'm with it because we tend to do our
own lists. We have a little group chats that have
less we post our own lists on social media. So
it's all fun. It's all good to debate and to
see what other people think about these lists. But the issue,
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focusing on the media side hip hop media, the issue
that comes up is some of these lists feel like
there's a goal in mind, right, whether the intention is
to engage followers and people on the internet go viral,
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obviously wanting all of that traffic to come back to
your website, and whether intentional or not, what has typically
been the case for sites like Complex or Rolling Stones
and in today's cads Pitchfork is it seems like it's
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an attempt to go viral, right, Because generally speaking, when
these lists drop and I look at the comments, no
one is pleased or in a lot of ways even outrage.
And I think some of that has to do with,
you know, list are subjective. You know, oh yo, why
you ain't include you know, the on the street posse
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on this list because no one knows them, but it's
great that they're on your list. So on one hand,
you get it, this is this organization, this is how
they came up with this list, and it is what
it is. This is their criteria for the list. On
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the other hand, you feel like, where were these hip
hop lists back in the blog era like that, Like,
we know people wrote blogs about it, and I'm not
saying it didn't exist. You can go on the internet
and find some of these same places creating lists. But
I feel like the controversy is beneficial to these websites. Now.
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I know you're saying to yourself, well, yeah, okay, subjective
right or wrong? So who cares? This is why we care? Right.
Pitchfork just dropped their own list let me change my
lay out real quick, their own list that centrally does
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something that I think personally maybe they should be called
down on, right. I don't know, you tell me, But
here's the list right here, and it is the one
hundred best rap albums of all time. We rank not us,
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but Pitchfork. We rank the most essential and influential albums
of this qusitive, quintessentially American art form. Here's where the
problem begins. Pitchfork has a reputation for scoring some of
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the best hip hop albums extremely low. They have a
straight up reputation with hip hop heads for getting it
wrong majority of the time when it comes to reviewing
some of the greatest hip hop albums of all time,
even albums that are currently accepted as dope. They tend
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to give them an extremely low score like six or
something like that. The King's Disease series, Boy, they would
They were just saying all that stuff was average to Pitchfork.
So people being upset with this list in particular makes sense.
And you see what they said, most essential and influential
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albums to hip hop heads. There are certain albums that,
universally we feel, whether we like them or not, need
to be on a list of this caliber. Now, this
is what makes it funny, because when you go to
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one hundred, uh, look look what, look what? Look at it?
Look at what's at one hundred Snoop Dog Doggy Style
out of nineteen ninety three. Now, granted it's on the list,
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so they got that right, but it's the last album
on the list. And some may say, well, look man,
everybody ain't like that. You know, everybody feel like it
wasn't as good as the Chronic Oh blah blah blah,
whatever reason you come up with. But let's look at
the album that's ahead of it. Just in one slide,
who is this dwop Can Underdog from twenty eighteen, an
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album that is clearly inspired by Doggy Style at least
the artwork. Well, we're talking about what we're doing? What
are we doing? Now? Granted, this is their list. I'm
pretty sure their staff came up with it. But again,
a publication that has a track record of getting reviews
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of albums wrong, just wrong amongst music fans hip hop heads. Whatever.
To me, it says who is the committee for these albums?
Who is the committee for these lists? Now? Granted, or
maybe not committees for the reviews because one person reviews it.
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But nevertheless, who's reviewing hip hop on here? That we
could feel like, well, at least they know. I'm not
saying Doggy Style has to be top ten, but again,
there are certain albums within hip hop's history that you
will expect to not only be on this list, but
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at least fall somewhere between fifty and number one. And
to have Doggie Style, damn there miss the list seems
crazy and in a lot of ways it makes me
interested in who this guy is because guy or girl whoever?
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Because how did they get in front of Doggy Style
as far as being influential? And he sent you? But
most hip hopheads have never heard it. Most not those
who have heard it so I'm not going to go
through the whole list, right, this is a quick episode.
But let's just scroll to the top ten and if
we see something crazy, let's see what happens. Right, So
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where we at seventy, well, at least the Jungle Brothers
on hand, seventy one, geezy get let's get it. Motivation
one on one albums again, that should make this list.
Positioning doesn't matter. Wait, hold up, hold up, hold up?
We let me yeah, yeah, I see what's here, you know,
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and some of it makes sense. You know. The Chronic though,
was at sixty two. Again, I think the Chronic has
equal has an equal level of impact, or maybe maybe
dog Style has more, right, because that album was a
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big deal. Dogie Style was a big deal when it
was going to drop it, the anticipation was through the
roof and people were for the most part satisfied. But nevertheless,
let's let's get to ten because we've seen some joints
in here. I see pop smokers in here. Wait, hold up,
hold up, stop to take care take care of forty seven,
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one hundred best rap albums. Now, you may say to
yourself that's not hip hop. Well, me and Tony from
Into the Dome podcast right here on YouTube. Did a
episode on this channel hip Hop Now pod of our
series That Time in hip Hop, and the latest episode
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is talking about Drake and this particular album Take Care.
Also we asked the question is it a classic? I guess,
I guess, Pitchfork believe so. But we also asked the
question is it hip hop? Is Drake hip hop? So
you can check that out. But here's where I really
wanted to go. Forty six fifty cent is g unit
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fifty is the future? Do they not know? This is
a mixtape? Who up there? Who all up in there?
Who you with? Who in there talking about these things?
I'm trying to get to ten, trying to get to ten.
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I saw the Piper Butterflers in there, you know, selicktric
or whatever, Big Eie at twenty one. Man, it's getting crazy.
As we get to the fifteen, a lot of people
showing up that should be here. Okay, it should be here,
no matter what the order may be. Let's go to top ten.
Mad Villainy, m F. Doom and Madly, I'm not mad
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at this being in the top ten. I'm sorry it
should be outcast Equimini. I'm not mad at this being
in the top ten. It's my favorite outcast album. Again subjective,
I'm also not mad at this. Clips Hell have no fury.
This is probably the Clips' best album, but I think
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like God's sort of mouth is creeping on them. Number
seven Lauren Hill The Miseducation of Lauryn Hill. Lauryn Hill
is hip hop, but there was more singing on this
album than hip hop, So again the argument of Drake
being hip hop. There's more rapping on take Care than
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it is on the Miseducation of Lauren Hill. So what's
the hip hop album? Number six Rich Gang the Tour
Part One. I have no idea who this is. Okay,
I do, but I've never heard this. I am a
Recipees rich Homie Kwan. I kind of like him, sort
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of like Young Thug. Maybe I should check this out,
you tell me. Number five Ellmatic had to at least
be in the top five. The conversations around this album
all the time, happen frequently on social media. There's no
reason why this wouldn't be in the top five. Number
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four ghost Face Supreme Clientele. I'm not mad at this,
but I kind of feel like, if you're going to
say essentral and influential, Supreme Clientele should absolutely be on
this list of one hundred, but being ahead of Bu
Tang Clans into the thirty six chambers contradicts what this
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list is supposed to be. No way Supreme Clientele is
more influential than Bu Tang's debut album. It just is.
It still one of my favorite juvenile four hundred degrees.
I don't I'm not mad at this. I mean, it
wouldn't make my top five on my top ten, but
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I'm not mad at it being on the list because
it was like when that High Joint dropped in ninety
eight along with the remix with jay Z on it,
it felt like rap just shifted and that was Juvenile
and cash Money that did that, and many fresh on
the beats. All right now it's going to get tricky.
Tupac all eyes on me. I'm not mad. This album
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should definitely be on this list of one hundred. Number
two is extreme because the second CD for me personally,
has a lot of skips, and maybe it's a lot
now versus back then when they dropped in ninety six.
Definitely a dope album. I feel comfortable calling the classic.
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It's one of the better double albums. But number two
maybe Tupac was doing some things back then in ninety six.
And number one. Number number one is Mob Deep, the
infamous Mob Deep's sophomore album, not their debut. I love
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infamous album. I love Mob Deep, can't wait for the
new album to drop. But this is ridiculous, mainly because
this album should absolutely be on this list, even top ten.
I'd say top ten, it should be on this list.
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But number one, an album that Prodigy said was inspired
by Ellmatic, yet is in front of ilmag on a
list that's about albums that are influential an impact. I
think I don't know, but I think this list is
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clearly hold on, I gotta stop sharing my screen real quick.
This list is clearly a reaction to the Internet, to
the conversations in the Internet. A little spice throwing in
there to break things up, right, But that number one
is definitely a reaction. Now you would say to yourself, well,
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why it's more Deep. I mean, they're popular, but they're
not that popular. Dog Shook one's part one. It's extremely
popular on the internet for some reason. We've always known
that beat. You know what I'm saying. The intro to
All the Killers and the Hundred. Everything about it is
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classic nostalgia and all that good stuff. But it seems
like in recent years it's almost like the Big L
thing right where Big L everybody knew he was nice
and dope in hip hop throughout the years, but over
the years with social media, it's almost as like, no
people say Big L's better than everybody, and it's like, whoa, whoa,
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whoa where were you in the nineties, No one said that,
no one. Some people even said he's basically just lord
for this. But you, casual, you probably don't even know
who that is, do you? Right? Big L was introduced
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via a lore for this album, but Big L is
dumb nice. But everything on the internet is kind of
changed around this narrative. And I think it's the same
thing with mab Deep. This is what's happening and it's
a double edged sword. The discovery of these classic artists
album songs that some of us have known and listened
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to for years. It's excellent, but it is trending. Right
you go on YouTube now dudes from a younger generation
who are hip hop heads. Some of them are faking it,
but some of them are going back and listening to
music and bars and like being enamored by nineties hip
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hop in particular, and shook Ones is like extremely popular
right from memes to everything always, and I hope that
results in people listening to their new album, let alone
the catalog. But at number one on a one hundred list,
and you're talking about influence, not influencers, but influence in
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hip hop. Let me go back to their definition of
their list again. It just seems it seems not to
make sense when you say, we rank the mostly central
and influential albums of this American art form. Should absolutely
be on the list. A lot of the stuff I
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saw should be on the list. But when you're ranking
them from one hundred to one, you're saying to us,
Mob Deeps the Infamous is the most central and influential
album out of these one hundred. That's crazy talk. So
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to wrap it up, I think these lists are great
just for the hip hop conversation, so I'm not that
mad at it. I think it's a little weird for again,
a publication who tends to get albums that most hip
hop pads agree that are pretty dope, they tend to
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rate them extremely low. Sometimes and it seems weird. It
seems like their hip hop knowledge and scale is a
little off. Thus, this list makes a lot of sense
for this website. Now, I don't necessarily like to constantly
cover these types of topics, but at the end of
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the day, it's sometimes it could be fun. So what
do you think about Pitchfork's top one hundred hip hop
albums list? The link to view the entire list. Because
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