September 25, 2025 • 46 mins
It's a brand new episode of "That Time in Hip-Hop!" It's a history based podcast co-hosted with Tony from "Enter Da Dome Podcast." We're talking about Drake's sophmore album, "Take Care" and it's place in hip-hop history! Is it a classic, is it hip-hop, and more!
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Speaker 3 (00:02):
What up? Y'all?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to another episode of That Time and hip Hop,
a podcast soul about history, nostalgia, facts, and all the
things that are represented in hip hop music and culture.
I am your host, Vegas of hip Hop Now Podcasts
and with me as always the homie.
Speaker 3 (00:23):
You see the.
Speaker 1 (00:24):
Hat, You see the shirt in the background, Tony from
Into the Dome Podcasting dot Com.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
What up? Man?
Speaker 4 (00:31):
What's going on?
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Look?
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together tonight, man, So we're gonna have to. We're gonna
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Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hey man, I had one yesterday.
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Speaker 4 (00:55):
It's the time, man, It's almost October. Face time, baby.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
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for that time in hip hop. First and foremost, if
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(01:18):
time here in YouTube form or audio form. Well, what
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It's about the preservation of hip hop music and culture
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we look back on, we don't revise. We look back
(01:40):
on with facts of what actually happened in detail. And
that's what we're here to do today for sure. So
before we get into the main part of the show,
the main thing that I like to point out is
going back in history and what happened in September. September
(02:01):
nineteen ninety one, Nice and Smooth, the duo The group
released their sophomore album, Yeah and the Damn Thing Changed
Tone ninety one Nice and Smooth second album. What were
your thoughts when the singles started dropping you heard the
album all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, you know, first of all, I love Nice and Smooth.
You know, I like their debut Jaw. I'm gonna make
a real funky for you.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You know what I'm saying. I like Nice and Smooth,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So I was I thought Smooth Bee had a nice
voice nice flow, Greg Nice had the energy, man and
the flavor and everything like that. Man, So look, I
was looking forward to the follow up. Man, You never
know how a follow up gonna be doing.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
That time.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's either not I Got the Park, or it's gonna
be like, oh man, this is not that it's not
popping off. But actually the sophomore album actually got higher ratings,
professional reviews.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know what I'm saying. At the time, you know
what I'm saying, it was received very well. Man.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And of course, Man, sometimes a rhyms slow, sometimes a
round quick, you know whatever that was. You know, I
think they took that Tracy Chapman fast Car, you know
what I'm saying, which was a legendary song in the eighties. Man,
that Tracy Chapman. I love Tracy Chapman. So I just
love that song, man. And the rhymes was dope. It
felt good.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Hip Hop Junks was another dope joint on there. Oh
in the joint I used to like another too, can't
have your cake and eat it too, you know. So,
man Like, it was a really dope album, man Like.
As a matter of fact, I got four point five
stars out of five on All Music. You know what
I'm saying. So it was well received, man. And again
let me say this real quick too. I saw them
(03:38):
a few years ago. Nice brings a lot of people
back here to Winston for high school reunion type joint
every year whenever we can. And one year Nice Smooth
came with like Black Moon and Brand Newsies, all these
all these acts and stuff like that. Man, I'm gonna
tell you that was my first time seeing them live.
And even at this point in their life. Man, they
on stage performance was good, big nice jump in the crowd.
(04:02):
He walked around the crowd with the mic. I mean,
he's still got the same good energy, good vibe. Man,
Really love nicest move, really love Greg Nice. You know
what I'm saying. But yeah, man, they came through correct.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What was your thoughts and leading up to that sophomore album?
What did you think about the album?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Man? Hip hop junkies in New York was crazy? It was.
It was obviously the beat sample. What was the sample
from the one of them old salt shows, the Monkeys
or the Partridge Family. Yeah, but I just remember how
(04:39):
much play was getting on the radio, how much I
heard it just you know, in the streets or whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Then they remember they had the Spanish remix to that joint.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And yeah, they did have a Spanish remix to that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That ship was kind of high too. But again, like
you said, all the songs you named were crazy. It
exceeded and my expectations because when their debut came out,
I didn't have the album, but you know, I saw
the video for Funky for You and all of that,
and I really liked them. But by the time the
second one dropped, I remember my oldest sister bought it
(05:14):
and I listened and I was like, Yo, this is
better than by that time I had heard the debut.
I was like, Yo, this is better than the debut.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was a dope you know what I'm saying. But yeah, man,
incredibly dope album. A group that doesn't get talked about
that much might be because you know, the first two
albums were kind of their vibe and the way, and
then you know, they kind of fell off a little
bit since then, but still had an impact on the
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hip hop game at that point in time in the
early nineties too.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
An another little death time and hip hop thing to remember. Also,
after they kind of cooled down, Greg Knights got really
cool with Tupac and Greg Knights and be part of
One Nation. So there is video of Greg Knights in
the studio with all the Parking his boys, and you
can hear him in the booth rhyming like he had
rhyms on the One Nation album. You know some of
(06:10):
those songs that visions started leaking, you know what I'm
saying for the finished project, But Greg Knights and poking
and Greg Knight's been on blad TV a couple of
places before talking about his relationship with Parking and the
whole One Nation project and all that.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Man, But yeah, pop really loved Greg Knights. You know
what I'm saying. They had a real relationship outside of music.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know what I'm saying. So shout out to you
know what I'm saying, nice and smooth man, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, And y'all could catch Greg Nice on the Rock
the Bells Show. What's that sample something like that with Alil.
It's pretty dope because you know, you always don't you
don't always get to hear from all of these dudes
in hip hop their perspective influences. Like you said, you
(06:53):
know some people before Greg Knight started telling us we
didn't even know he really had a relationship with Tupac
like that, You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like that? Right? All right? What do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
What did you hear Nice to Smooth's album back then?
Did you buy it? You know what I'm saying? How
do you feel about Nice to Smooth as a group?
Leave your comments in a comments section below. But now
we're gonna get into what you saw on the thumbnail
the title the album. The guy no ov Hose will
(07:26):
be injured during this video unless you unless you violating. Okay,
We're head to talk about something very special. To be honest, Tom,
tell the people what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Man, it's been a type of discussion on my Twitter
page for the last few days. You know what I'm saying,
not necessarily this album, but this time in hip hopa
that time in hip hop, rather twenty eleven drake sophomore album,
Take Care of Hits the stands Man. First of all,
I'm me say this anticipation for a sophomore album after
(08:02):
a very successful debut for an EMC.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It's a big deal. It's a big, big deal, you
know what I'm saying. And Drake.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It came off. We know he had that you know
that mixtape Run Man with Room for Improvement and come
Back Season and all of that stuff like that leading
up to So Far Gone, which many will say, So
Far Gone was one of those game changing mixtapes to
hip hop culture, same way Wayne Has One feat to
Sitting Has One and a few of them Seas had
a game changer, GZ and others. You know what I'm saying, Well,
(08:31):
So Far Gone was a mixtape that almost felt like
an album, you know what I mean, and then leading
up to the debut album which ended up being a
huge success, you know, features on it and every producers
on and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
So Drake becomes a star best I've had everything.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You know what I'm saying. Well, that was right before
the debut. But nevertheless he was a star now, you
know what I'm saying. He did mixtapes, he had done
a big debut, Now what's next. But a lot happened
leading up to Take Care, you know what I'm saying,
And we're gonna discuss a lot of things that happened
that time when this leading up to this album dropping.
(09:08):
Because Drake, unlike what a lot of people believe it's
a hip hop head and he really wanted that album
to be a certain kind of way, and a few
things kind of got scratched, and the album will still
put together.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Of course, it's a massive album. We're gonna get into.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of course, the album ended up leaking like nine ten
days before the actual release date, but it's still almost
sold six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand the first week,
And like Naz with twenty twenty five, take Care is
eight times platinum, so it's almost a diamond album. So
it's a massive album with seven big singles, huge guesst appearances,
(09:47):
and we'll get in all that, man. But I wanted
to get into like and Drake, they don't know how
people want to go into this leading up to take.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Care, Yeah, I mean it. It was one of those things,
like you said, where you know, the mixtape mixtapes, but
definitely the so far going joint. It got to a
point and oh the way, not so far going. What's
the name of the mixtape again?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I told you that the main one so far the
main one before that, it was you know, room for Improvement,
comeback season and all of.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That back season.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, so it was definitely some momentum building. And to
your point, like you said, with his debuted album, he
kind of, you know, met the hype at that point
in time with that debuted album. But to your point,
when you had that much success and everybody's happy, it's like,
what's next and and so like leading up to the album,
(10:42):
I think for myself personally, I didn't have huge expectations
because Drake was kind of everything. You know what I'm saying.
He gave you a little bit of singing and gave
you some rapping. He would feature different people. You just
didn't really know what you were going to get, which
was thing to me because I wasn't tainted.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
By oh it has to be this, so it has
to be that. It was just like whatever. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I think we were just cited down here because
in twenty eleven, you know what I'm saying, the Wonder
Years came out, ninth one was Documentity came out, and
for any fans of Little Brother ninth one and all
this stuff, you might remember the part on the Wonder Year,
the segment with Drake and Knife, you know what I'm
saying that they was together talking for quite a while
(11:29):
and Drake was just talking about coming up. He said,
there was a producer I was around. I can't give
his name. He used to really rock with your music
and he kind of took your kind of took your
style a little bit influence and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And Knife was kind of like, what's his name? Though,
I can't say that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And then then Drake even said, hey, you know I
made a hit with best ever had but it kind
of had boomed back a little bit, and threw a
sample overs like so, why can't you know me and
Knife make a hit together? And you know what I'm saying.
Then he also talked about for a period of time.
He was like, man, I think I talked to you
more than I talk to my mom.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And Knight started laughing. So they was actually communicating a
lot during that time. Now I knew that as well.
I was for my personal relationship with that, but it
was like, okay, Wow, this is gonna really happen. I
remember I'm saying, well, you know, we're gonna I think
we might cook some stuff up together. That was what
was gonna happen. Drake really wanted that to happen. There
(12:30):
was some political stuff going on from you know, a
little bit I can say, And at some point I
think Knife was sending some beats to one of the
A and R's, but that's not his thing. Because everyone
Knife has ever worked with, for the most part, big
name people, he sending the beats to them directly. He's
talked to them directly. Breaking and Knife had a relationship already,
(12:51):
so Knife was not gonna be going around trying to
speak the middle man type thing.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was a lot of other stuff too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It just didn't really pan out the way they were
hoping it paying out, and they had been communicating a lot.
Another rumor was obviously Fante was supposed to be on
take Care as another rumor cause obviously people that know
Fonte and Drake background, Drake was influenced by a Little
Brother and Fante. Drake also did a song on on
(13:20):
one of early mixtapes, Somebody Been Comeback Season Think Good
Thoughts are produced by Knife Waner with Anita Baker sample
featuring Fonte and als out from Slum Village.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So relationship was there, and then Drake also did a
song called don't You got a man with little brother,
you know what I'm saying. With Fante and Pool, so
the relationship was there, you know what I'm saying. That's
two there's two tracks with Fante on it and one
with Pool and Fante on it and a production credit
from Knife.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, so we thought that was gonna happen down
here man, and it never manifested. But that just shows
at the same time, the fact that Drake had worked
with all of them. Drake is a hip hop head
and different during that time, he really wanted it sounds
like you want to take care of to go in
a different direction, you know what I'm saying. But it
turned out to be that he ended up started working
(14:10):
back with forty again and and T Minus and a
bunch of producers in the camp and just people close
to him in Jones, so they end up making You know,
I'm not mad at the album because it's a massive
album for his error, you know what I'm saying. Obviously,
if he would have had more people like justin Knife
and all those people on there, it would have sounded different.
And I'm sure financially bird Man and Young Money, Cash
(14:35):
Money and all that really wanted Drake to really push
the commercial sound, which he added more R and B
in it, but he was still rapping different type of styles.
You got Rihanna on and you know, you got you know,
a big group of guests. You know, he got Kendrick
Tomorrow now funny enough. You got Rick Ross enough, funny enough,
now you know what I'm saying. You know, like I said,
(14:57):
you got Wayne and bird Man and Nicki Minaj. So
so it turned into a massive album, you know what
I'm saying. But underground heads it was hoping for something different.
They didn't get that. But if you were Karen, if
you were one of the guys just Karen helping the
care of a record label, then you have to have
massive success, which you got seven big singles and like
(15:17):
four or five of them charted like top twenty, and
some of them with.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
The number one. You know what I'm saying. But what
was your what was you thinking?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well when it dropped, did it sound like you expected
to sound, because maybe you didn't know some of the
stuff that I would have known living down here dealing
with Knife and everyone. But for you guys in New
York and stuff like that, what was your impression?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Man?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
When we first heard Take Care Of. How was it
received at State?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think I think overall it was received pretty big.
You know, obviously this album was bigger for a younger
generation who was like in that bag of the Drakes
and the Kendricks and everybody else popping at the time.
For me, I like this better than the debut because
(16:05):
this felt more like so far gone.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh you know on steroids.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right, it was kind of like, you know, you got
the rapping, but you you you didn't like even the
first track, right, like he's just straight rapping.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, but the beat isn't like a boom bad beat.
But it doesn't even have to be because it fit
because Drake had already established that sound. And then also
I think I forgot to mention this, but in between
those albums and during those albums, he was doing a
lot of features, so he was like building. He was
(16:45):
coming bigger than anything. So when I heard it, I
liked it because I like, I like the flow of
the album. It's just real chill, you know, you get
the rapping, you get the This is probably to me,
it's probably like peak Drake rapping to me, Like, as
far as his albums, he's had other joints where you know,
he's had.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Bars and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But I feel like as as an entire album, it
just felt like it was well thought out, well produced,
And to your point, I still think Ninth could have
got to join off on air that would have fit well.
You know, obviously you find the beat that fits within.
Then I would have loved to hear fon Teale on
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the record.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But let me also yeah, that would have been dope, man,
because at the end of the day, you know what
I'm saying, Ninth was made songs for Jill Scott Eric
so he could.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Make a laid back beat.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He made Girl an issue, the reason for Distance Child,
I mean, you can make it. It just didn't work out,
and I hate that. And like I said, he liked Drake,
you know what I'm saying, And Drake really was a
big fan of a Little Brother Knife. So I we
really wish that would have happened, man, But we understand
there is a such thing called industry politics, you know
what I'm saying, and you know, and those things do happen.
(18:01):
I think Trante addressed it years and years ago, not
with no kind of issue or nothing like that. Because
he liked Drake.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
He was just kind of like, you know, just it
just it just didn't pop off, you know what I'm saying.
But let me say this real quick too. You said
you said something that made a lot of sense. You said,
Pete Drake. I think that when you look at Drake's style,
the singing, the rapping, I think take care of is
the perfect combination of the total artist that is Drake.
(18:29):
You know what I'm saying. The MC part, I know something,
I don't want to hear that, But the MC part
is there were he really can spit when he want
to spit. That is not a secret, you know what
I'm saying, Like him or not, whenever Drake wanta rap
Drake and rap.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And this ain't just me saying it, And I ain't
talking about his core like crazy fan base. I'm talking
about other great MC's have said this, and not even
ones that's trying to work with him.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You know what I'm saying. You got people like Nas
and these other guys who.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Have said Drake Drake gets busy, you know what I'm saying,
And everybody I ain't trying to cap to say that
to get a feature. You know what I'm saying, Like,
some people really think the dude can rap, And if
you listen to something like Family Matters and stuff like that,
Drake can rap. Man the Time Step songs he can rap,
or Murtau Diplomatter of Immunity he can rap. So I
think they don't take care of you showed the rapping
(19:16):
the singer is almost like and I said this a
couple of years ago, vague take care of almost felt
like Drake's version of miseducation along Hill. You know what
I'm saying, And what I mean by that is Lawn
gave you some bars, not not as many as Drake
gave you take care of. But the funny thing is
people be calling mis Education a rap album, So how
is that a rap album? And take care of? Some
people be like, we'll take care of the rap album. Yes,
(19:37):
take care of the rap album too. You know what
I'm saying, more rapping on take care of it than
it is. Oh mis Education, you know what I'm saying.
So that's another thing. But I thought that was his
version of it. It probably is looking back, the best
decision that it sound the way it sounded. You know
what I'm saying to be honest, and I'm not biased.
So what I'm gonna say is, I think it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
For what it was.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't think you need to put nothing us on,
take nothing of us off. I think Drake hit his
mark on take care. I think that it didn't leave
nothing to be desired. Really where you think if you're
looking back now and highest career has gone before and
after that, I think that was the perfect, perfect piece
of music for him.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And but let me say these these seven singles real quick, man,
because this is important. You got Marvin's Room, you got headlines,
you got made me proud, you got the model, you
got to take care of title track, you got crew love,
then you got the joint.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
H Y f R.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
You know what I'm saying, Like like, these are massive songs, man,
that charted. Someone played them on radio all the time,
someone played in the clubs. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I mean, this is probably by twenty eleven, Drake is
on his way to being the big the guy.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He's probably the guy. He's probably the guy right now twenty.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Eleven, I would I would say so, didn't Marvin's Room
and headlines drop like right before the album. Also, I
believe the album yeah, because I remember on line online
like he could have sat on those singles for a minute,
because the talk about Marvin's Room alone was a lot
(21:23):
like that's all I saw. I went and bought that,
you know, back when people go and buy singles on iTunes.
I went and bought the single because I was like, Yo,
this joint is I And I think to your point,
you're right because what I like, like using Marvin's Room
for example, right to me, like this is probably more
peak Drake singing than anything, to be honest, because when
(21:46):
you listen to him sing now, it's not the same
as back then. Yeah, this is kind of when he
was sounding he was sounding. Iight, you know what I'm saying.
To have a song like Marvin's Room where you're doing
some of the singing you do when some of the rapping,
and they both sound good, they both sound right as
far as the arrangement, Like it just sound like a
(22:09):
perfect example of this is what Drake does in one song.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, nothing sounded forced about that song. With nothing sound
and force on the album at all, Every song to
me felt authentic the popular songs or popular singers. It
didn't sound like songs we don't when the artist try
to make a single, you know what I'm saying, I'm
trying to make this hit the club.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
They were just dope songs that fit the mood, whether
it was the club mood or radio mood or what
or just riding in your car. I just think that
they the production team along with him, they put together
something that sequels very dope, you know what I'm saying. Also,
you know, if you're looking at what we saying on
some of his peak rapping, lord knows what Rick Ross
(22:53):
was produced by. Just Blaze is a prime example of
whenever Drake Widow on a rhyme and then Rick Ross
Kilty and I said this a couple of years ago
on Twitter, I said.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Man, you know, Rick Ross and Drake never missed on
a song together.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
All the songs that did together all fire, you know
what I'm saying, Like that was a quick moment where
Rick Ross and Drake would have done like a ten
track album. It would have been a classic problem man,
Like they were really they really sound good together, you
know what I'm saying, and then that was a classic
just blaze beat. He didn't change his beat up to
make it trying to fit some kind of No, there
(23:30):
was a just base beat, just blaze banger, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
And then speaking.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Of of Drake love for the Underground, he even do
a song called Underground Games. You know what I'm saying,
Like Underground Kings probably my second or third for my
preference favorite songs on the album, you know what I'm saying,
Like Loo I love Lord Knows, Underground Games probably there
might be my two favorite songs on the album, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
So he was robbed, Yeah, you know what's dope about that?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Like we said earlier, even though it's just and most
people's memories say that the whole album sounds like Marvin's
Room when that song comes on, it doesn't sound out
of place at all, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
They're trying a way to make it work. They find
a way to make that work, Lord Knows, Underground Kids.
They find a way to make both.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Of those work, right, which is.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Interesting considering you know what people say about the album,
and well, really Drake himself when talking about the album
Uh like you said, you know, just real quick for
those who don't know, never heard, maybe wasn't interested in Drake.
Features on this album include The Weekend, Rihanna, Kendrick Lamar, Nicki, Minaj,
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Rick Ross, Lil Wayne Audrey three thousand, Lil Wayne is
here about three times, especially if you got to. But
also one other thing that I like about it is
the fact that it's not just about bars all the time.
For people when they hear hip hop and rapping and
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m seeing, it's just great songwriting on here, right, themes
that people can relate to, like no dude, I mean
I hope not, I hope you're not like this, But
no dude or woman who loves like real boombap and
lyrics and stuff like that can't say they can't have
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a relative moment in their lives. That's similar to Marvin's Room, right,
even if it's just a line in there like oh
yeah I did that, Yeah I felt like that. That's
to me, that's kind of what makes the album so good,
is like there's a there's a lot of that, and
it's it's not wasted space when it comes to the
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songwriting on this album.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Speaking of that, look a song. Remember Drake debunked what Weekend.
I think the Weekend was saying that there's like like
leven songs that he had on on a mixtape that
he was working on and end up giving like those
songs to Drake or something like that, and I think
Drake and Fortyn was saying like nah, you know yah,
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people can fact check that. But they was like nah, Drake.
It was like, Noah, that's not the way it happened,
you know what I'm saying. So I don't know if
they collabed on some songs, but Weekend kind of made
it sound like I believe it was. The Weekend kind
of made it sound like, uh, some of his songs
end up on take care You know what I'm saying. Now,
this is before the weekend was the weekend, now, you
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know what I'm saying. Excuse me, early Young, excuse me
weekend early Young, Drake. So people can look that up
about the weekend songs and take care of you, they'll
see something about that if I'm not mistaken. But nevertheless,
like you said, it's about I don't getting put together.
The songwriting was great on Take Care of It flowed,
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it was sequeens. Like I said a few minutes ago,
I think that it's monumental for for his legacy and
monumental for that era. And I know you have mother
questions about that. I don't want to jump the gun.
I think you ask more questions about it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, so let's let's get into considering. Well, let me
just say this, because it was one note I did
have when you mentioned Underground Kings. One thing I liked
as a Drake fan. What I liked that he would
do is have songs like that, right, Like that made
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it feel like it was he was going to, like,
I don't know, give an homage back to an old
school artist, like the Wu Tang joint on what was
that Nothing was Ever the Same or something like that.
But he's kind of done that, the Wu Tang Forever,
Wu Tang Forever, Like he's kind of done that as
a as a theme. But when you hear the song,
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it's not it's never what you expect. It's not it's
never what you expect. It's not like you think it's
bien right. It's almost like a jumping off point. The
hook is tied to the title, but it's never like, oh,
he's gonna rap over some rizzo or he bun bees
on this track like it's never like that, which is
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why I like it, because it's always again, I don't
know what it's going to sound like. I read the
title press plays like, oh okay, this is cool.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But yeah, let's get into one of the things you
mentioned early about Drake. We know right now he's a
polarizing figure in hip hop because of the Battle, but
even before the Battle you mentioned it, there was always
this debate on whether Drake was hip hop. This album
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being hip hop? Is Drake and MC tone? What do
you say and what do you think about those who
may try to push him off into another category that's.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Not hip hop?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Every now and then you get an artist who can
do a little bit of everything, and I think they're
confused some fans, because some fans hip hop sounds one way,
you know what I'm saying. They forget about the numerous
different styles in the fifty plus years of the culture.
They forget about Beer's Marquis. Then they'll forget about you know,
Lauryn Hill, They'll forget about you know, bone thugs. They'll
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forget about all these different styles, right You know what
I'm saying, and that's being mcso who sing some and
in fact, this is not brand new, you know what
I'm saying, like fifty something hooks, Joy Rose singing hooks,
M and M even singing some on some of his
own hooks. You know what I'm saying, Like, so people
played around with different ways to construct songs, you know
(29:40):
what I'm saying. But as far as Drake being hip hop,
I'm gonna say the same thing I said when I
was on the Rap Roundtable and me bringing this up.
It probably about a year ago, we had this whole
discussion about Drake and Bardi hip hop. Last time I
checked if you do it mixtapes, and you do it mixtapes,
and you got you doing songs with l z O,
take carding of official bum Be, all of these different people, rhymers, spinters,
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you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Then by the time So Far Gone come, you're doing
songs with.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Little Wayne and all these other MC's, you're rhyming, you
have rap songs, you have rap mix tapes. Yeah, you
sing some on some of your mixtape because you can,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you're doing more things
because you're able to be versatile. Not to say I
don't need somebody to come sing on hooks because I
can sing my own hooks and sold my songs. I
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might not rhyme on I'll just I'll just sing something
on because I found a niche, you know what I'm saying,
Like I'm al didn't sing I sing. You know what
I'm saying, Because when the girls start really gravitating to Drake,
it's like, what do you expect.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Someone to do?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Then I go, they're not gonna use their ability to
sell records to get more fames, to get more money,
to be more note, have no more notoriety, and they
feel a study. You know what I'm saying, Like Drake
end up being a chick magnet. So he made songs
for checks, you know what I'm saying. But every now
and then again, we can't act like those Tomestem songs
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didn't happen. We can't act like all those tracks with
Rick Ross didn't happen. Yes, he's a rapper, you know
what I'm saying, who can sing, who makes pop music
and rap music. But to say he's not hip hop,
that means we're taking out a lot of other people
who did the same thing or something similar. You know
what I'm saying. So I know it's not the cool
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thing to say. Even before this battle and the loss
of Thing and all that, I think that Drake might
have rubbed certain people the wrong way because you know,
he's not rugged, you know what I'm saying. So some
people think hip hop is a certain kind of image, right.
I talked to certain cats on the East Coast, and look,
Drake don't look like black Moon and Smith and Wesson.
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You know what I'm saying. He don't rap like that.
So it's like, okay, now, he don't look like mc
ain't and Snoop. You know what I'm saying, He don't
look like Okay. He's from Canada, a little bit of everything.
He's influenced by everyone because he's a hip hop head first,
you know what I'm saying. So you can't tell me
somebody who who who has an over one hundred raps
her hundred songs, Well, rap on, it is not hip hop.
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It doesn't even make logical sense to me. You you
you you rap over over over more than a hundred songs.
When you mixtape your albums and your features, you've rapped
on more than one hundred songs and you're not hip hop.
If anybody listening to this, or if you can explain
that to me again for the third final time, that
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I'm that I'm an artist that raps on one hundred
songs between my mixtapes, my albums, my features, and I'm
not hip hop?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Didn't they nobody hip hop?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
You know what I This is where I think the
argument comes from. Now, those who have watched my podcast,
maybe follow my podcast no before the battle.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I'm a Drake fan.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I have a number of albums, mixed tapes and all
that because I like them for both.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Right, I like the rapping, I definitely like the singing.
I like the music.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But what I think, I think what Cats are doing
by separating Drake from his counterparts who can do the
same exact things. For example, like Fonte and Lauren Hill,
is they were introduced to them primarily as rappers and
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most of the singing was in Fonte's case was like
foreign exchange and kind of sprinkled and little Brother and
Lauren Hill didn't really go full on with the singing
until she had her solo But these same people would
never question them as MC's or their pen because they
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decided I'm gonna do a little bit more singing on
this project. I think Drake kind of popularized it and
mastered it at a level that Lauren Hill didn't even
want to continue with, to be honest, after that first album.
And I think that's where there's an issue, right because
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they don't want to accept this rapper that also sings
in this way unless you raping the majority of the time,
right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I agree with that, you know what I'm saying, But
it's like his gift is a curse, you know what
I'm saying. Like, you know, because again, if I'm able
to give multiple crowds within the hip hop context music
while what I so, yeah, every now that he'll do
his Timesteale song stuff like that, but then he gonna
do his slow songs for the chicks. He's gonna do
a certain kind of vibe for the club. And so
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we're really a bit honest. The versatility is there. He
showed the versatility don't take care of But again, like
I said on Twitter again recently, back to the hip
hop thing real quick, is so not only did I
do all those songs right a battle meet meals a battle,
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push a t a battle of Kendrick Lamar, and I
throw I throw jabs at in common. You know what
I'm saying. You know, I throw some stuff at at
Rick Rosson and about five other people on Family Matters.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And if you listen to that second verson Family Matters,
Drake got it in. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like anybody, go back and listen to Family Matters right now,
first of all the whole song, but that like second verse,
when that beat change that first time, Drake, Drake got
it in.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
He just everybody. You know what I'm saying. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So that ain't hip hop people, you're rap battles with
you a Juggernut and you and you and another jugger
Nut like Kendrick go at it and you make several
dish songs, Joseph Dope.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
You know what I'm saying. For real, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And then it's the same thing like during the battle,
because obviously, you know, if you've seen my content, you
know I'm a big Kendrick fan, and you know I
had my jokes about Drake. But the one thing I
would say about Drake and those videos in real time.
Was he battled though, Like he didn't run away from
the battle. He didn't ignore Kendrick. He went in to
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battle to win. There's something to be said about being
a well that's an MC, of being an MC and
a hip hop head. You think you justice nice, if
not better than this guy. And it's not like Kendrick
dropped four or five records and that was it. Like
Drake was dropping records trying to drop more like and
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Dumpy freestyle.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Let's not forget hey, that Duble freestyle on Look, I
tell people right now, Uh, if push it didn't have
that throw out of all and didn't have that that
joker with that without his child, that might have ended
up a little different.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
That Duble freestyle was cold.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Then then he got meek out of them back to
back playing clubs and the streets and everything that's not
hip hop.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
People again, make it make sense now.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I did a video about it last winter, I believe
because you know the battle was early last spring and summer,
I said in my video and I reposted on Twitter recently.
Drake did what a lot of people in his position
wouldn't have done and what they would have a lot
of people would have ignored people Drake didn't. Drake battle
the same way Big Dey Cane and say, hey, two
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people can't be in the room at the same time.
We talk about it before and saying it the best.
You know what I'm saying, You're gonna have to battle.
Drake is battle tested, like him or not. Okay, if
you want to say, push it got him cool, Kintrick
gat him cool.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
He fought, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
And like I said, thorn shots that common, thrown shots
at ross getting me up out of there. All of
this stuff is hip hop. So this is a singer
doing all that as a rapper, because a rapper, to me,
who can say it? You know what I'm saying. So
that's all I'm saying. Man, you gotta make that stuff
make sense man. And he's proven it by being and
engaging in battle. Also, he's done tracks with a lot
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of different MC's. He's been on songs with your M
and MS. He's been on songs with jay Z, pound Cake,
all of these What are we?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
What are we really?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Sometimes we have the movie most out the way and
be logical and not hip hop discussions and not hip
hop debates.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, it's it's interesting, Like I mean, of course now
people feel justified in it. But again, you'd be talking
about a rap battle if it was a Kendrick being
then MC versus the singer. What are we even talking about?
Were even paying attention?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Right? Because who wants to hear that?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And for some of y'all who maybe may not be
old enough, maybe he wasn't outside in the early nineties
or the mid nineties or whatever. But when R and
B singers rapped, most of the time, it wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
It was terrible.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It was pretty garbage most of the time.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Backstage dage got a lesson, right, except sometimes sometimes BBD
could be like, it's cool.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Back into the rime. But god, that was terrible. But
it's not good at the time.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
The R Kelly's, the Bobby Browns, the yo, I'm going
to rap like now, please don't no, he's.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
A rapper, you know what?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
And like you said, this time last year, people were
saying Kensick and Drake was the biggest rap battle of
all time.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I'm one of the ones that says the biggest because
of social media.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Now, if Kendrick, I mean, if Drake won a rapper
then there was no rap battle, right, So that means
not like us A is the biggest this song in
history of a rapper dis a singer.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And that's not the way it went, right.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It can't be both.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It can't be. You can't have guys, you can't have.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
It both ways, right, you can't have both all right?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
So, out of Drake's catalog of music, is take care
his best album? And is it a classic? So because
remember Kendrick said you don't have.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
One, right, and Ken's supposed to say that because Jays
said one hot album, Amber Tina Avers.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
And you know kr Rissi the bridges over me? You know,
was it over?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You know? Maybe it was.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
But I'm just saying you can debate that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
But i will say, based on the criteria, Well, I
like take Care Of the best. You know what I'm saying.
I think it's his best album. I wouldn't be mad
if someone else say nothing was the same, might have
been better, or or one of those album might be better.
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I've seen people discuss which album they think is the
best one. I'm gonna say take care Of over all
hit every benchmark. I do believe that take Care Of
is a classic album. And this is why I say
that too real quick. A lot of times when people
our age, the nostalgia hits you and you and just
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like I said, hey, hip hop legends and hip hop
classes didn't stop on December thirty first, nineteen ninety nine. Man,
you know what I'm saying. I've said this before on Twitter.
So there are classes for other generations. You know what
I'm saying. People my age, do some of y'all fans
even realize how big Drake actually is, how big Take
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Carroll was, how it was received by a fan base
at that time, seven hundred thousand almost the first week,
eight millionaire. It's a massive has the classic impact, gainst appearances, singles,
everything has everything A classic album is gonna have whether
you like it or not, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
That's classic albums in the eighties nineties.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I don't like you think I like every album that's
five mics in the Source magazine. Some of them I
think are okay, but I understand the impact of them.
It's like certain eighties albums. I don't think some of
them was five mics, you know what I'm saying. Some
of them are some of them some of them were
you know what I'm saying, but it doesn't matter because
it hit the mark. You know what I'm saying. So
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take Care of hit the mark for its generation. Matter
of fact, you can't name too many albums bigger than
take Care in his generation outside maybe a Good Kid
Man City, now, you know what I'm saying, Like, outside
of that, there's probably no album that's bigger than take
Care in his generation.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So, and I want to say, good Kid mass it
has dropped me. But what here after that? You know
what I'm saying with twenty twelve? But the Good Kid So,
I mean, those two albums might be both of the
magnum opus man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
And for their generation. Yeah, man, they classes.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, take Care as my favorite Drake album, but also
for all the reasons I described earlier. Of why the
album is so good to me is what makes it
his best album, argue arguably, but also makes it a
classic because because honestly, those are the qualities of.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
A classic, right guest.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Features fit, the music all flows and everything sounds good.
The sound quality is good, the writing is good, like
everything is there. Now to Tone's point, we could talk
about a number of different albums, and if you just
can't connect.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
With the artists, you're never gonna like it, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
So we're not here to It's not Ovo Tone and
Ovo Vegas here to convince you to like Drake or to.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Like this album.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's really about the substance of the album, what he
was able to do at the time. All the rumors,
well some are not rumors, but about the ghost writing,
none of it really comes from this album, to be honest.
It comes from some of the fellershit that happens later
on in his career. Yeah, but this at this point
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in time, and even now, we knew this was all Drake,
and to me it was. It's a great album. It's
it's a classic in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
What do y'all think? Do you like Drake? Do you
like Take Care his sophomore album? Do you feel the same?
What are your thoughts on Drake being hip hop or
not being hip hop? Leave your comments in the comments
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You know, Shaka Khan. Everybody's all on there, man.
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Peace. Peace,
What up? Y'all?
Speaker 1 (00:03):
Welcome to another episode of That Time and hip Hop,
a podcast soul about history, nostalgia, facts, and all the
things that are represented in hip hop music and culture.
I am your host, Vegas of hip Hop Now Podcasts
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Speaker 1 (00:24):
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Speaker 3 (00:30):
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Man, apologies on my background. Like, we couldn't get it
together tonight, man, So we're gonna have to. We're gonna
be old school gangster m C eight straight up minutes
at the night right sipping on some this ginger all
it just looks different.
Speaker 3 (00:47):
Okay, this is this pumpkin brew season.
Speaker 4 (00:51):
Hey man, I had one yesterday.
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Yeah, man, this shit is good. Man.
Speaker 4 (00:55):
It's the time, man, It's almost October. Face time, baby.
Speaker 1 (00:58):
It is the time, man, and it's time for you
for that time in hip hop. First and foremost, if
you haven't subscribed to the channel, do so right now.
Help the channel. I'll help the channel grow. But more importantly,
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time here in YouTube form or audio form. Well, what
we do here is exactly what I said in the beginning, right,
It's about the preservation of hip hop music and culture
through events, albums, artists, moguls. Times in hip hop that
we look back on, we don't revise. We look back
(01:40):
on with facts of what actually happened in detail. And
that's what we're here to do today for sure. So
before we get into the main part of the show,
the main thing that I like to point out is
going back in history and what happened in September. September
(02:01):
nineteen ninety one, Nice and Smooth, the duo The group
released their sophomore album, Yeah and the Damn Thing Changed
Tone ninety one Nice and Smooth second album. What were
your thoughts when the singles started dropping you heard the
album all that good stuff.
Speaker 2 (02:19):
Well, you know, first of all, I love Nice and Smooth.
You know, I like their debut Jaw. I'm gonna make
a real funky for you.
Speaker 4 (02:25):
You know what I'm saying. I like Nice and Smooth,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (02:28):
So I was I thought Smooth Bee had a nice
voice nice flow, Greg Nice had the energy, man and
the flavor and everything like that. Man, So look, I
was looking forward to the follow up. Man, You never
know how a follow up gonna be doing.
Speaker 4 (02:41):
That time.
Speaker 2 (02:42):
It's either not I Got the Park, or it's gonna
be like, oh man, this is not that it's not
popping off. But actually the sophomore album actually got higher ratings,
professional reviews.
Speaker 4 (02:53):
You know what I'm saying. At the time, you know
what I'm saying, it was received very well. Man.
Speaker 2 (02:57):
And of course, Man, sometimes a rhyms slow, sometimes a
round quick, you know whatever that was. You know, I
think they took that Tracy Chapman fast Car, you know
what I'm saying, which was a legendary song in the eighties. Man,
that Tracy Chapman. I love Tracy Chapman. So I just
love that song, man. And the rhymes was dope. It
felt good.
Speaker 4 (03:17):
Man.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
Hip Hop Junks was another dope joint on there. Oh
in the joint I used to like another too, can't
have your cake and eat it too, you know. So,
man Like, it was a really dope album, man Like.
As a matter of fact, I got four point five
stars out of five on All Music. You know what
I'm saying. So it was well received, man. And again
let me say this real quick too. I saw them
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a few years ago. Nice brings a lot of people
back here to Winston for high school reunion type joint
every year whenever we can. And one year Nice Smooth
came with like Black Moon and Brand Newsies, all these
all these acts and stuff like that. Man, I'm gonna
tell you that was my first time seeing them live.
And even at this point in their life. Man, they
on stage performance was good, big nice jump in the crowd.
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He walked around the crowd with the mic. I mean,
he's still got the same good energy, good vibe. Man,
Really love nicest move, really love Greg Nice. You know
what I'm saying. But yeah, man, they came through correct.
Speaker 3 (04:13):
Man.
Speaker 2 (04:13):
What was your thoughts and leading up to that sophomore album?
What did you think about the album?
Speaker 1 (04:18):
Man? Hip hop junkies in New York was crazy? It was.
It was obviously the beat sample. What was the sample
from the one of them old salt shows, the Monkeys
or the Partridge Family. Yeah, but I just remember how
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much play was getting on the radio, how much I
heard it just you know, in the streets or whatever.
Speaker 3 (04:46):
Then they remember they had the Spanish remix to that joint.
Speaker 2 (04:49):
And yeah, they did have a Spanish remix to that.
Speaker 1 (04:52):
That ship was kind of high too. But again, like
you said, all the songs you named were crazy. It
exceeded and my expectations because when their debut came out,
I didn't have the album, but you know, I saw
the video for Funky for You and all of that,
and I really liked them. But by the time the
second one dropped, I remember my oldest sister bought it
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and I listened and I was like, Yo, this is
better than by that time I had heard the debut.
I was like, Yo, this is better than the debut.
Speaker 4 (05:23):
This is crazy.
Speaker 1 (05:25):
It was a dope you know what I'm saying. But yeah, man,
incredibly dope album. A group that doesn't get talked about
that much might be because you know, the first two
albums were kind of their vibe and the way, and
then you know, they kind of fell off a little
bit since then, but still had an impact on the
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hip hop game at that point in time in the
early nineties too.
Speaker 2 (05:50):
An another little death time and hip hop thing to remember. Also,
after they kind of cooled down, Greg Knights got really
cool with Tupac and Greg Knights and be part of
One Nation. So there is video of Greg Knights in
the studio with all the Parking his boys, and you
can hear him in the booth rhyming like he had
rhyms on the One Nation album. You know some of
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those songs that visions started leaking, you know what I'm
saying for the finished project, But Greg Knights and poking
and Greg Knight's been on blad TV a couple of
places before talking about his relationship with Parking and the
whole One Nation project and all that.
Speaker 4 (06:22):
Man, But yeah, pop really loved Greg Knights. You know
what I'm saying. They had a real relationship outside of music.
Speaker 2 (06:28):
You know what I'm saying. So shout out to you
know what I'm saying, nice and smooth man, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
Yeah, And y'all could catch Greg Nice on the Rock
the Bells Show. What's that sample something like that with Alil.
It's pretty dope because you know, you always don't you
don't always get to hear from all of these dudes
in hip hop their perspective influences. Like you said, you
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know some people before Greg Knight started telling us we
didn't even know he really had a relationship with Tupac
like that, You know what I'm saying?
Speaker 3 (07:01):
Like that? Right? All right? What do you think?
Speaker 1 (07:05):
What did you hear Nice to Smooth's album back then?
Did you buy it? You know what I'm saying? How
do you feel about Nice to Smooth as a group?
Leave your comments in a comments section below. But now
we're gonna get into what you saw on the thumbnail
the title the album. The guy no ov Hose will
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be injured during this video unless you unless you violating. Okay,
We're head to talk about something very special. To be honest, Tom,
tell the people what we're here to talk about.
Speaker 2 (07:41):
Man, it's been a type of discussion on my Twitter
page for the last few days. You know what I'm saying,
not necessarily this album, but this time in hip hopa
that time in hip hop, rather twenty eleven drake sophomore album,
Take Care of Hits the stands Man. First of all,
I'm me say this anticipation for a sophomore album after
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a very successful debut for an EMC.
Speaker 4 (08:05):
It's a big deal. It's a big, big deal, you
know what I'm saying. And Drake.
Speaker 2 (08:08):
It came off. We know he had that you know
that mixtape Run Man with Room for Improvement and come
Back Season and all of that stuff like that leading
up to So Far Gone, which many will say, So
Far Gone was one of those game changing mixtapes to
hip hop culture, same way Wayne Has One feat to
Sitting Has One and a few of them Seas had
a game changer, GZ and others. You know what I'm saying, Well,
(08:31):
So Far Gone was a mixtape that almost felt like
an album, you know what I mean, and then leading
up to the debut album which ended up being a
huge success, you know, features on it and every producers
on and everything like that.
Speaker 4 (08:44):
So Drake becomes a star best I've had everything.
Speaker 2 (08:48):
You know what I'm saying. Well, that was right before
the debut. But nevertheless he was a star now, you
know what I'm saying. He did mixtapes, he had done
a big debut, Now what's next. But a lot happened
leading up to Take Care, you know what I'm saying,
And we're gonna discuss a lot of things that happened
that time when this leading up to this album dropping.
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Because Drake, unlike what a lot of people believe it's
a hip hop head and he really wanted that album
to be a certain kind of way, and a few
things kind of got scratched, and the album will still
put together.
Speaker 4 (09:23):
Of course, it's a massive album. We're gonna get into.
Speaker 2 (09:25):
Of course, the album ended up leaking like nine ten
days before the actual release date, but it's still almost
sold six hundred thousand, seven hundred thousand the first week,
And like Naz with twenty twenty five, take Care is
eight times platinum, so it's almost a diamond album. So
it's a massive album with seven big singles, huge guesst appearances,
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and we'll get in all that, man. But I wanted
to get into like and Drake, they don't know how
people want to go into this leading up to take.
Speaker 1 (09:53):
Care, Yeah, I mean it. It was one of those things,
like you said, where you know, the mixtape mixtapes, but
definitely the so far going joint. It got to a
point and oh the way, not so far going. What's
the name of the mixtape again?
Speaker 2 (10:10):
I told you that the main one so far the
main one before that, it was you know, room for Improvement,
comeback season and all of.
Speaker 3 (10:17):
That back season.
Speaker 1 (10:19):
Yeah, so it was definitely some momentum building. And to
your point, like you said, with his debuted album, he
kind of, you know, met the hype at that point
in time with that debuted album. But to your point,
when you had that much success and everybody's happy, it's like,
what's next and and so like leading up to the album,
(10:42):
I think for myself personally, I didn't have huge expectations
because Drake was kind of everything. You know what I'm saying.
He gave you a little bit of singing and gave
you some rapping. He would feature different people. You just
didn't really know what you were going to get, which
was thing to me because I wasn't tainted.
Speaker 3 (11:03):
By oh it has to be this, so it has
to be that. It was just like whatever. You know.
Speaker 2 (11:07):
Well, I think we were just cited down here because
in twenty eleven, you know what I'm saying, the Wonder
Years came out, ninth one was Documentity came out, and
for any fans of Little Brother ninth one and all
this stuff, you might remember the part on the Wonder Year,
the segment with Drake and Knife, you know what I'm
saying that they was together talking for quite a while
(11:29):
and Drake was just talking about coming up. He said,
there was a producer I was around. I can't give
his name. He used to really rock with your music
and he kind of took your kind of took your
style a little bit influence and stuff like that.
Speaker 4 (11:43):
And Knife was kind of like, what's his name? Though,
I can't say that, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (11:47):
And then then Drake even said, hey, you know I
made a hit with best ever had but it kind
of had boomed back a little bit, and threw a
sample overs like so, why can't you know me and
Knife make a hit together? And you know what I'm saying.
Then he also talked about for a period of time.
He was like, man, I think I talked to you
more than I talk to my mom.
Speaker 3 (12:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (12:08):
And Knight started laughing. So they was actually communicating a
lot during that time. Now I knew that as well.
I was for my personal relationship with that, but it
was like, okay, Wow, this is gonna really happen. I
remember I'm saying, well, you know, we're gonna I think
we might cook some stuff up together. That was what
was gonna happen. Drake really wanted that to happen. There
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was some political stuff going on from you know, a
little bit I can say, And at some point I
think Knife was sending some beats to one of the
A and R's, but that's not his thing. Because everyone
Knife has ever worked with, for the most part, big
name people, he sending the beats to them directly. He's
talked to them directly. Breaking and Knife had a relationship already,
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so Knife was not gonna be going around trying to
speak the middle man type thing.
Speaker 4 (12:55):
It was a lot of other stuff too.
Speaker 2 (12:57):
It just didn't really pan out the way they were
hoping it paying out, and they had been communicating a lot.
Another rumor was obviously Fante was supposed to be on
take Care as another rumor cause obviously people that know
Fonte and Drake background, Drake was influenced by a Little
Brother and Fante. Drake also did a song on on
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one of early mixtapes, Somebody Been Comeback Season Think Good
Thoughts are produced by Knife Waner with Anita Baker sample
featuring Fonte and als out from Slum Village.
Speaker 4 (13:31):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (13:31):
So relationship was there, and then Drake also did a
song called don't You got a man with little brother,
you know what I'm saying. With Fante and Pool, so
the relationship was there, you know what I'm saying. That's
two there's two tracks with Fante on it and one
with Pool and Fante on it and a production credit
from Knife.
Speaker 3 (13:50):
Uh.
Speaker 2 (13:50):
You know, so we thought that was gonna happen down
here man, and it never manifested. But that just shows
at the same time, the fact that Drake had worked
with all of them. Drake is a hip hop head
and different during that time, he really wanted it sounds
like you want to take care of to go in
a different direction, you know what I'm saying. But it
turned out to be that he ended up started working
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back with forty again and and T Minus and a
bunch of producers in the camp and just people close
to him in Jones, so they end up making You know,
I'm not mad at the album because it's a massive
album for his error, you know what I'm saying. Obviously,
if he would have had more people like justin Knife
and all those people on there, it would have sounded different.
And I'm sure financially bird Man and Young Money, Cash
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Money and all that really wanted Drake to really push
the commercial sound, which he added more R and B
in it, but he was still rapping different type of styles.
You got Rihanna on and you know, you got you know,
a big group of guests. You know, he got Kendrick
Tomorrow now funny enough. You got Rick Ross enough, funny enough,
now you know what I'm saying. You know, like I said,
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you got Wayne and bird Man and Nicki Minaj. So
so it turned into a massive album, you know what
I'm saying. But underground heads it was hoping for something different.
They didn't get that. But if you were Karen, if
you were one of the guys just Karen helping the
care of a record label, then you have to have
massive success, which you got seven big singles and like
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four or five of them charted like top twenty, and
some of them with.
Speaker 4 (15:20):
The number one. You know what I'm saying. But what
was your what was you thinking?
Speaker 2 (15:24):
Well when it dropped, did it sound like you expected
to sound, because maybe you didn't know some of the
stuff that I would have known living down here dealing
with Knife and everyone. But for you guys in New
York and stuff like that, what was your impression?
Speaker 3 (15:38):
Man?
Speaker 4 (15:38):
When we first heard Take Care Of. How was it
received at State?
Speaker 1 (15:43):
I think I think overall it was received pretty big.
You know, obviously this album was bigger for a younger
generation who was like in that bag of the Drakes
and the Kendricks and everybody else popping at the time.
For me, I like this better than the debut because
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this felt more like so far gone.
Speaker 4 (16:08):
Oh you know on steroids.
Speaker 1 (16:13):
Right, it was kind of like, you know, you got
the rapping, but you you you didn't like even the
first track, right, like he's just straight rapping.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (16:23):
Yeah, but the beat isn't like a boom bad beat.
But it doesn't even have to be because it fit
because Drake had already established that sound. And then also
I think I forgot to mention this, but in between
those albums and during those albums, he was doing a
lot of features, so he was like building. He was
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coming bigger than anything. So when I heard it, I
liked it because I like, I like the flow of
the album. It's just real chill, you know, you get
the rapping, you get the This is probably to me,
it's probably like peak Drake rapping to me, Like, as
far as his albums, he's had other joints where you know,
he's had.
Speaker 3 (17:05):
Bars and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (17:06):
But I feel like as as an entire album, it
just felt like it was well thought out, well produced,
And to your point, I still think Ninth could have
got to join off on air that would have fit well.
You know, obviously you find the beat that fits within.
Then I would have loved to hear fon Teale on
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the record.
Speaker 4 (17:27):
Yeah yeah, man.
Speaker 2 (17:29):
But let me also yeah, that would have been dope, man,
because at the end of the day, you know what
I'm saying, Ninth was made songs for Jill Scott Eric
so he could.
Speaker 4 (17:38):
Make a laid back beat.
Speaker 2 (17:40):
He made Girl an issue, the reason for Distance Child,
I mean, you can make it. It just didn't work out,
and I hate that. And like I said, he liked Drake,
you know what I'm saying, And Drake really was a
big fan of a Little Brother Knife. So I we
really wish that would have happened, man, But we understand
there is a such thing called industry politics, you know
what I'm saying, and you know, and those things do happen.
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I think Trante addressed it years and years ago, not
with no kind of issue or nothing like that. Because
he liked Drake.
Speaker 4 (18:07):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:08):
He was just kind of like, you know, just it
just it just didn't pop off, you know what I'm saying.
But let me say this real quick too. You said
you said something that made a lot of sense. You said,
Pete Drake. I think that when you look at Drake's style,
the singing, the rapping, I think take care of is
the perfect combination of the total artist that is Drake.
(18:29):
You know what I'm saying. The MC part, I know something,
I don't want to hear that, But the MC part
is there were he really can spit when he want
to spit. That is not a secret, you know what
I'm saying, Like him or not, whenever Drake wanta rap
Drake and rap.
Speaker 4 (18:41):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (18:42):
And this ain't just me saying it, And I ain't
talking about his core like crazy fan base. I'm talking
about other great MC's have said this, and not even
ones that's trying to work with him.
Speaker 4 (18:52):
You know what I'm saying. You got people like Nas
and these other guys who.
Speaker 2 (18:55):
Have said Drake Drake gets busy, you know what I'm saying,
And everybody I ain't trying to cap to say that
to get a feature. You know what I'm saying, Like,
some people really think the dude can rap, And if
you listen to something like Family Matters and stuff like that,
Drake can rap. Man the Time Step songs he can rap,
or Murtau Diplomatter of Immunity he can rap. So I
think they don't take care of you showed the rapping
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the singer is almost like and I said this a
couple of years ago, vague take care of almost felt
like Drake's version of miseducation along Hill. You know what
I'm saying, And what I mean by that is Lawn
gave you some bars, not not as many as Drake
gave you take care of. But the funny thing is
people be calling mis Education a rap album, So how
is that a rap album? And take care of? Some
people be like, we'll take care of the rap album. Yes,
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take care of the rap album too. You know what
I'm saying, more rapping on take care of it than
it is. Oh mis Education, you know what I'm saying.
So that's another thing. But I thought that was his
version of it. It probably is looking back, the best
decision that it sound the way it sounded. You know
what I'm saying to be honest, and I'm not biased.
So what I'm gonna say is, I think it was perfect.
Speaker 3 (19:58):
For what it was.
Speaker 2 (20:00):
I don't think you need to put nothing us on,
take nothing of us off. I think Drake hit his
mark on take care. I think that it didn't leave
nothing to be desired. Really where you think if you're
looking back now and highest career has gone before and
after that, I think that was the perfect, perfect piece
of music for him.
Speaker 3 (20:18):
Man.
Speaker 2 (20:18):
And but let me say these these seven singles real quick, man,
because this is important. You got Marvin's Room, you got headlines,
you got made me proud, you got the model, you
got to take care of title track, you got crew love,
then you got the joint.
Speaker 1 (20:36):
H Y f R.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
You know what I'm saying, Like like, these are massive songs, man,
that charted. Someone played them on radio all the time,
someone played in the clubs. You know what I'm saying, Like,
I mean, this is probably by twenty eleven, Drake is
on his way to being the big the guy.
Speaker 4 (20:57):
He's probably the guy. He's probably the guy right now twenty.
Speaker 1 (21:01):
Eleven, I would I would say so, didn't Marvin's Room
and headlines drop like right before the album. Also, I
believe the album yeah, because I remember on line online
like he could have sat on those singles for a minute,
because the talk about Marvin's Room alone was a lot
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like that's all I saw. I went and bought that,
you know, back when people go and buy singles on iTunes.
I went and bought the single because I was like, Yo,
this joint is I And I think to your point,
you're right because what I like, like using Marvin's Room
for example, right to me, like this is probably more
peak Drake singing than anything, to be honest, because when
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you listen to him sing now, it's not the same
as back then. Yeah, this is kind of when he
was sounding he was sounding. Iight, you know what I'm saying.
To have a song like Marvin's Room where you're doing
some of the singing you do when some of the rapping,
and they both sound good, they both sound right as
far as the arrangement, Like it just sound like a
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perfect example of this is what Drake does in one song.
Speaker 2 (22:13):
Yeah, nothing sounded forced about that song. With nothing sound
and force on the album at all, Every song to
me felt authentic the popular songs or popular singers. It
didn't sound like songs we don't when the artist try
to make a single, you know what I'm saying, I'm
trying to make this hit the club.
Speaker 4 (22:30):
Now.
Speaker 2 (22:31):
They were just dope songs that fit the mood, whether
it was the club mood or radio mood or what
or just riding in your car. I just think that
they the production team along with him, they put together
something that sequels very dope, you know what I'm saying. Also,
you know, if you're looking at what we saying on
some of his peak rapping, lord knows what Rick Ross
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was produced by. Just Blaze is a prime example of
whenever Drake Widow on a rhyme and then Rick Ross
Kilty and I said this a couple of years ago
on Twitter, I said.
Speaker 4 (23:03):
Man, you know, Rick Ross and Drake never missed on
a song together.
Speaker 3 (23:08):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (23:10):
All the songs that did together all fire, you know
what I'm saying, Like that was a quick moment where
Rick Ross and Drake would have done like a ten
track album. It would have been a classic problem man,
Like they were really they really sound good together, you
know what I'm saying, and then that was a classic
just blaze beat. He didn't change his beat up to
make it trying to fit some kind of No, there
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was a just base beat, just blaze banger, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
And then speaking.
Speaker 2 (23:35):
Of of Drake love for the Underground, he even do
a song called Underground Games. You know what I'm saying,
Like Underground Kings probably my second or third for my
preference favorite songs on the album, you know what I'm saying,
Like Loo I love Lord Knows, Underground Games probably there
might be my two favorite songs on the album, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (23:52):
So he was robbed, Yeah, you know what's dope about that?
Speaker 1 (23:57):
Like we said earlier, even though it's just and most
people's memories say that the whole album sounds like Marvin's
Room when that song comes on, it doesn't sound out
of place at all, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (24:11):
They're trying a way to make it work. They find
a way to make that work, Lord Knows, Underground Kids.
They find a way to make both.
Speaker 3 (24:17):
Of those work, right, which is.
Speaker 1 (24:23):
Interesting considering you know what people say about the album,
and well, really Drake himself when talking about the album
Uh like you said, you know, just real quick for
those who don't know, never heard, maybe wasn't interested in Drake.
Features on this album include The Weekend, Rihanna, Kendrick Lamar, Nicki, Minaj,
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Rick Ross, Lil Wayne Audrey three thousand, Lil Wayne is
here about three times, especially if you got to. But
also one other thing that I like about it is
the fact that it's not just about bars all the time.
For people when they hear hip hop and rapping and
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m seeing, it's just great songwriting on here, right, themes
that people can relate to, like no dude, I mean
I hope not, I hope you're not like this, But
no dude or woman who loves like real boombap and
lyrics and stuff like that can't say they can't have
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a relative moment in their lives. That's similar to Marvin's Room, right,
even if it's just a line in there like oh
yeah I did that, Yeah I felt like that. That's
to me, that's kind of what makes the album so good,
is like there's a there's a lot of that, and
it's it's not wasted space when it comes to the
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songwriting on this album.
Speaker 2 (25:50):
Speaking of that, look a song. Remember Drake debunked what Weekend.
I think the Weekend was saying that there's like like
leven songs that he had on on a mixtape that
he was working on and end up giving like those
songs to Drake or something like that, and I think
Drake and Fortyn was saying like nah, you know yah,
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people can fact check that. But they was like nah, Drake.
It was like, Noah, that's not the way it happened,
you know what I'm saying. So I don't know if
they collabed on some songs, but Weekend kind of made
it sound like I believe it was. The Weekend kind
of made it sound like, uh, some of his songs
end up on take care You know what I'm saying. Now,
this is before the weekend was the weekend, now, you
(26:31):
know what I'm saying. Excuse me, early Young, excuse me
weekend early Young, Drake. So people can look that up
about the weekend songs and take care of you, they'll
see something about that if I'm not mistaken. But nevertheless,
like you said, it's about I don't getting put together.
The songwriting was great on Take Care of It flowed,
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it was sequeens. Like I said a few minutes ago,
I think that it's monumental for for his legacy and
monumental for that era. And I know you have mother
questions about that. I don't want to jump the gun.
I think you ask more questions about it.
Speaker 1 (27:07):
Yeah, so let's let's get into considering. Well, let me
just say this, because it was one note I did
have when you mentioned Underground Kings. One thing I liked
as a Drake fan. What I liked that he would
do is have songs like that, right, Like that made
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it feel like it was he was going to, like,
I don't know, give an homage back to an old
school artist, like the Wu Tang joint on what was
that Nothing was Ever the Same or something like that.
But he's kind of done that, the Wu Tang Forever,
Wu Tang Forever, Like he's kind of done that as
a as a theme. But when you hear the song,
(27:50):
it's not it's never what you expect. It's not it's
never what you expect. It's not like you think it's
bien right. It's almost like a jumping off point. The
hook is tied to the title, but it's never like, oh,
he's gonna rap over some rizzo or he bun bees
on this track like it's never like that, which is
(28:13):
why I like it, because it's always again, I don't
know what it's going to sound like. I read the
title press plays like, oh okay, this is cool.
Speaker 3 (28:20):
That's true.
Speaker 1 (28:21):
But yeah, let's get into one of the things you
mentioned early about Drake. We know right now he's a
polarizing figure in hip hop because of the Battle, but
even before the Battle you mentioned it, there was always
this debate on whether Drake was hip hop. This album
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being hip hop? Is Drake and MC tone? What do
you say and what do you think about those who
may try to push him off into another category that's.
Speaker 3 (28:55):
Not hip hop?
Speaker 2 (28:56):
Every now and then you get an artist who can
do a little bit of everything, and I think they're
confused some fans, because some fans hip hop sounds one way,
you know what I'm saying. They forget about the numerous
different styles in the fifty plus years of the culture.
They forget about Beer's Marquis. Then they'll forget about you know,
Lauryn Hill, They'll forget about you know, bone thugs. They'll
(29:17):
forget about all these different styles, right You know what
I'm saying, and that's being mcso who sing some and
in fact, this is not brand new, you know what
I'm saying, like fifty something hooks, Joy Rose singing hooks,
M and M even singing some on some of his
own hooks. You know what I'm saying, Like, so people
played around with different ways to construct songs, you know
(29:40):
what I'm saying. But as far as Drake being hip hop,
I'm gonna say the same thing I said when I
was on the Rap Roundtable and me bringing this up.
It probably about a year ago, we had this whole
discussion about Drake and Bardi hip hop. Last time I
checked if you do it mixtapes, and you do it mixtapes,
and you got you doing songs with l z O,
take carding of official bum Be, all of these different people, rhymers, spinters,
(30:07):
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (30:07):
Then by the time So Far Gone come, you're doing
songs with.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Little Wayne and all these other MC's, you're rhyming, you
have rap songs, you have rap mix tapes. Yeah, you
sing some on some of your mixtape because you can,
you know what I'm saying, Like, you're doing more things
because you're able to be versatile. Not to say I
don't need somebody to come sing on hooks because I
can sing my own hooks and sold my songs. I
(30:31):
might not rhyme on I'll just I'll just sing something
on because I found a niche, you know what I'm saying,
Like I'm al didn't sing I sing. You know what
I'm saying, Because when the girls start really gravitating to Drake,
it's like, what do you expect.
Speaker 4 (30:44):
Someone to do?
Speaker 2 (30:45):
Then I go, they're not gonna use their ability to
sell records to get more fames, to get more money,
to be more note, have no more notoriety, and they
feel a study. You know what I'm saying, Like Drake
end up being a chick magnet. So he made songs
for checks, you know what I'm saying. But every now
and then again, we can't act like those Tomestem songs
(31:05):
didn't happen. We can't act like all those tracks with
Rick Ross didn't happen. Yes, he's a rapper, you know
what I'm saying, who can sing, who makes pop music
and rap music. But to say he's not hip hop,
that means we're taking out a lot of other people
who did the same thing or something similar. You know
what I'm saying. So I know it's not the cool
(31:26):
thing to say. Even before this battle and the loss
of Thing and all that, I think that Drake might
have rubbed certain people the wrong way because you know,
he's not rugged, you know what I'm saying. So some
people think hip hop is a certain kind of image, right.
I talked to certain cats on the East Coast, and look,
Drake don't look like black Moon and Smith and Wesson.
(31:48):
You know what I'm saying. He don't rap like that.
So it's like, okay, now, he don't look like mc
ain't and Snoop. You know what I'm saying, He don't
look like Okay. He's from Canada, a little bit of everything.
He's influenced by everyone because he's a hip hop head first,
you know what I'm saying. So you can't tell me
somebody who who who has an over one hundred raps
her hundred songs, Well, rap on, it is not hip hop.
(32:10):
It doesn't even make logical sense to me. You you
you you rap over over over more than a hundred songs.
When you mixtape your albums and your features, you've rapped
on more than one hundred songs and you're not hip hop.
If anybody listening to this, or if you can explain
that to me again for the third final time, that
(32:32):
I'm that I'm an artist that raps on one hundred
songs between my mixtapes, my albums, my features, and I'm
not hip hop?
Speaker 4 (32:39):
Didn't they nobody hip hop?
Speaker 1 (32:44):
You know what I This is where I think the
argument comes from. Now, those who have watched my podcast,
maybe follow my podcast no before the battle.
Speaker 3 (32:56):
I'm a Drake fan.
Speaker 1 (32:58):
I have a number of albums, mixed tapes and all
that because I like them for both.
Speaker 3 (33:02):
Right, I like the rapping, I definitely like the singing.
I like the music.
Speaker 1 (33:07):
But what I think, I think what Cats are doing
by separating Drake from his counterparts who can do the
same exact things. For example, like Fonte and Lauren Hill,
is they were introduced to them primarily as rappers and
(33:29):
most of the singing was in Fonte's case was like
foreign exchange and kind of sprinkled and little Brother and
Lauren Hill didn't really go full on with the singing
until she had her solo But these same people would
never question them as MC's or their pen because they
(33:49):
decided I'm gonna do a little bit more singing on
this project. I think Drake kind of popularized it and
mastered it at a level that Lauren Hill didn't even
want to continue with, to be honest, after that first album.
And I think that's where there's an issue, right because
(34:10):
they don't want to accept this rapper that also sings
in this way unless you raping the majority of the time,
right right, Yeah.
Speaker 2 (34:21):
I agree with that, you know what I'm saying, But
it's like his gift is a curse, you know what
I'm saying. Like, you know, because again, if I'm able
to give multiple crowds within the hip hop context music
while what I so, yeah, every now that he'll do
his Timesteale song stuff like that, but then he gonna
do his slow songs for the chicks. He's gonna do
a certain kind of vibe for the club. And so
(34:43):
we're really a bit honest. The versatility is there. He
showed the versatility don't take care of But again, like
I said on Twitter again recently, back to the hip
hop thing real quick, is so not only did I
do all those songs right a battle meet meals a battle,
(35:04):
push a t a battle of Kendrick Lamar, and I
throw I throw jabs at in common. You know what
I'm saying. You know, I throw some stuff at at
Rick Rosson and about five other people on Family Matters.
Speaker 4 (35:18):
And if you listen to that second verson Family Matters,
Drake got it in. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:23):
Like anybody, go back and listen to Family Matters right now,
first of all the whole song, but that like second verse,
when that beat change that first time, Drake, Drake got
it in.
Speaker 4 (35:32):
He just everybody. You know what I'm saying. You know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (35:34):
So that ain't hip hop people, you're rap battles with
you a Juggernut and you and you and another jugger
Nut like Kendrick go at it and you make several
dish songs, Joseph Dope.
Speaker 4 (35:46):
You know what I'm saying. For real, you know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (35:49):
And then it's the same thing like during the battle,
because obviously, you know, if you've seen my content, you
know I'm a big Kendrick fan, and you know I
had my jokes about Drake. But the one thing I
would say about Drake and those videos in real time.
Was he battled though, Like he didn't run away from
the battle. He didn't ignore Kendrick. He went in to
(36:14):
battle to win. There's something to be said about being
a well that's an MC, of being an MC and
a hip hop head. You think you justice nice, if
not better than this guy. And it's not like Kendrick
dropped four or five records and that was it. Like
Drake was dropping records trying to drop more like and
(36:36):
Dumpy freestyle.
Speaker 2 (36:37):
Let's not forget hey, that Duble freestyle on Look, I
tell people right now, Uh, if push it didn't have
that throw out of all and didn't have that that
joker with that without his child, that might have ended
up a little different.
Speaker 4 (36:52):
That Duble freestyle was cold.
Speaker 2 (36:53):
Then then he got meek out of them back to
back playing clubs and the streets and everything that's not
hip hop.
Speaker 4 (36:59):
People again, make it make sense now.
Speaker 2 (37:02):
I did a video about it last winter, I believe
because you know the battle was early last spring and summer,
I said in my video and I reposted on Twitter recently.
Drake did what a lot of people in his position
wouldn't have done and what they would have a lot
of people would have ignored people Drake didn't. Drake battle
the same way Big Dey Cane and say, hey, two
(37:24):
people can't be in the room at the same time.
We talk about it before and saying it the best.
You know what I'm saying, You're gonna have to battle.
Drake is battle tested, like him or not. Okay, if
you want to say, push it got him cool, Kintrick
gat him cool.
Speaker 4 (37:36):
He fought, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (37:38):
And like I said, thorn shots that common, thrown shots
at ross getting me up out of there. All of
this stuff is hip hop. So this is a singer
doing all that as a rapper, because a rapper, to me,
who can say it? You know what I'm saying. So
that's all I'm saying. Man, you gotta make that stuff
make sense man. And he's proven it by being and
engaging in battle. Also, he's done tracks with a lot
(38:01):
of different MC's. He's been on songs with your M
and MS. He's been on songs with jay Z, pound Cake,
all of these What are we?
Speaker 4 (38:08):
What are we really?
Speaker 2 (38:09):
Sometimes we have the movie most out the way and
be logical and not hip hop discussions and not hip
hop debates.
Speaker 1 (38:16):
Yeah, it's it's interesting, Like I mean, of course now
people feel justified in it. But again, you'd be talking
about a rap battle if it was a Kendrick being
then MC versus the singer. What are we even talking about?
Were even paying attention?
Speaker 3 (38:33):
Right? Because who wants to hear that?
Speaker 1 (38:36):
And for some of y'all who maybe may not be
old enough, maybe he wasn't outside in the early nineties
or the mid nineties or whatever. But when R and
B singers rapped, most of the time, it wasn't good.
Speaker 4 (38:49):
It was terrible.
Speaker 3 (38:51):
It was pretty garbage most of the time.
Speaker 2 (38:54):
Backstage dage got a lesson, right, except sometimes sometimes BBD
could be like, it's cool.
Speaker 4 (39:05):
Back into the rime. But god, that was terrible. But
it's not good at the time.
Speaker 1 (39:09):
The R Kelly's, the Bobby Browns, the yo, I'm going
to rap like now, please don't no, he's.
Speaker 4 (39:15):
A rapper, you know what?
Speaker 2 (39:16):
And like you said, this time last year, people were
saying Kensick and Drake was the biggest rap battle of
all time.
Speaker 4 (39:25):
I'm one of the ones that says the biggest because
of social media.
Speaker 2 (39:28):
Now, if Kendrick, I mean, if Drake won a rapper
then there was no rap battle, right, So that means
not like us A is the biggest this song in
history of a rapper dis a singer.
Speaker 4 (39:41):
And that's not the way it went, right.
Speaker 3 (39:43):
It can't be both.
Speaker 4 (39:44):
It can't be. You can't have guys, you can't have.
Speaker 3 (39:47):
It both ways, right, you can't have both all right?
Speaker 1 (39:52):
So, out of Drake's catalog of music, is take care
his best album? And is it a classic? So because
remember Kendrick said you don't have.
Speaker 2 (40:06):
One, right, and Ken's supposed to say that because Jays
said one hot album, Amber Tina Avers.
Speaker 4 (40:13):
And you know kr Rissi the bridges over me? You know,
was it over?
Speaker 3 (40:17):
You know? Maybe it was.
Speaker 4 (40:18):
But I'm just saying you can debate that.
Speaker 2 (40:20):
But i will say, based on the criteria, Well, I
like take Care Of the best. You know what I'm saying.
I think it's his best album. I wouldn't be mad
if someone else say nothing was the same, might have
been better, or or one of those album might be better.
(40:41):
I've seen people discuss which album they think is the
best one. I'm gonna say take care Of over all
hit every benchmark. I do believe that take Care Of
is a classic album. And this is why I say
that too real quick. A lot of times when people
our age, the nostalgia hits you and you and just
(41:01):
like I said, hey, hip hop legends and hip hop
classes didn't stop on December thirty first, nineteen ninety nine. Man,
you know what I'm saying. I've said this before on Twitter.
So there are classes for other generations. You know what
I'm saying. People my age, do some of y'all fans
even realize how big Drake actually is, how big Take
(41:22):
Carroll was, how it was received by a fan base
at that time, seven hundred thousand almost the first week,
eight millionaire. It's a massive has the classic impact, gainst appearances, singles,
everything has everything A classic album is gonna have whether
you like it or not, that's fine.
Speaker 4 (41:42):
That's classic albums in the eighties nineties.
Speaker 2 (41:44):
I don't like you think I like every album that's
five mics in the Source magazine. Some of them I
think are okay, but I understand the impact of them.
It's like certain eighties albums. I don't think some of
them was five mics, you know what I'm saying. Some
of them are some of them some of them were
you know what I'm saying, but it doesn't matter because
it hit the mark. You know what I'm saying. So
(42:05):
take Care of hit the mark for its generation. Matter
of fact, you can't name too many albums bigger than
take Care in his generation outside maybe a Good Kid
Man City, now, you know what I'm saying, Like, outside
of that, there's probably no album that's bigger than take
Care in his generation.
Speaker 4 (42:22):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (42:23):
So, and I want to say, good Kid mass it
has dropped me. But what here after that? You know
what I'm saying with twenty twelve? But the Good Kid So,
I mean, those two albums might be both of the
magnum opus man, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (42:35):
And for their generation. Yeah, man, they classes.
Speaker 3 (42:40):
Yeah, I would agree.
Speaker 1 (42:42):
Well, take Care as my favorite Drake album, but also
for all the reasons I described earlier. Of why the
album is so good to me is what makes it
his best album, argue arguably, but also makes it a
classic because because honestly, those are the qualities of.
Speaker 3 (43:02):
A classic, right guest.
Speaker 1 (43:04):
Features fit, the music all flows and everything sounds good.
The sound quality is good, the writing is good, like
everything is there. Now to Tone's point, we could talk
about a number of different albums, and if you just
can't connect.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
With the artists, you're never gonna like it, you know
what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (43:26):
So we're not here to It's not Ovo Tone and
Ovo Vegas here to convince you to like Drake or to.
Speaker 3 (43:34):
Like this album.
Speaker 1 (43:35):
It's really about the substance of the album, what he
was able to do at the time. All the rumors,
well some are not rumors, but about the ghost writing,
none of it really comes from this album, to be honest.
It comes from some of the fellershit that happens later
on in his career. Yeah, but this at this point
(43:56):
in time, and even now, we knew this was all Drake,
and to me it was. It's a great album. It's
it's a classic in my opinion.
Speaker 4 (44:09):
I agree.
Speaker 1 (44:10):
What do y'all think? Do you like Drake? Do you
like Take Care his sophomore album? Do you feel the same?
What are your thoughts on Drake being hip hop or
not being hip hop? Leave your comments in the comments
section below. You could follow Tony on his podcast Into
the Dome Podcast right here on YouTube, where he's talking
(44:34):
about topics sort of like what we just talked about
now and other things and lists and all types of stuff,
and then he's going crazy on Twitter.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
What's up?
Speaker 2 (44:42):
Also, the website now is not into the doome dot
com anymore.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Is now Tony the Dome.
Speaker 2 (44:51):
We put a lot of people want to see a
lot of my old articles and got some a little
more updated stuff. You want to read some articles, you
know what I'm saying, bot it from Field College to
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 4 (45:03):
You know, Shaka Khan. Everybody's all on there, man.
Speaker 2 (45:05):
So there's a lot of is articles on musicians from
every genre. You know what I'm saying, John to Cash,
Johnny Cash and all that. You know what I'm saying.
So yeah, tonyddome dot Com and the Dome podcast on YouTube.
Speaker 1 (45:19):
Keep following tonydodome dot com into the Dome podcast right
here on YouTube and on this channel alone. I would
I like to appreciate everybody who's subscribed, who are following,
who are commenting, keep liking, keep sharing all that good stuff,
because what we do here, we're not just hip hop fans,
(45:40):
as Tony just said about his writing with music fans,
so we're looking at this from that lens right with
hip hop heads. But we have all this other experience
with different types of music and what makes a great album,
and we talked about one today. So remember go out
and support real hip hop.
Speaker 3 (46:02):
Peace. Peace,
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