October 10, 2025 • 63 mins
MF DOOM is one of the most influential hip-hop emcees of all time. Hitting the scene in the 90s as Zev Love X with the group KMD, transforming his image and style after the passing of his brother (DJ Subroc), “Mad Flows”, “Metal Face”, “Metal Fingers” DOOM became an unmistakenly original and groundbreaking artist. His influence spans generations and YOU WILL SPELL HIS NAME RIGHT after this episode!
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Speaker 1 (00:01):
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And look, this is a red cup, but it's not
like what you think. This is kombuchi here tonight.
Speaker 1 (00:28):
Correct. Yeah, I'm drinking ginger ale or as used to say,
the ginger real, same thing. Put it all together. If
you're returning to this channel, to this podcast, we appreciate you.
We have about seventy eight episodes of this very show
(00:51):
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talking about various topics or pertaining to hip hop, from
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in nineteen ninety five, to years like nineteen ninety three,
nineteen ninety six, even episodes like did the Source magazine
(01:14):
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(01:38):
do read the comments. We will respond to you, unless
you know you on some other shit and whatever might
response anyway, you know. But one of the things we
like to do to start off the podcast is just
kind of look at what's going on in hip hop
history and October twenty second, twenty twelve, Kendrick Lamar released
(02:01):
his major label debut, Good Kid, Mad City Tone. I'm
pretty sure you were up on k dot way before that,
you know what I'm saying. When he was k dot
to most people, but when he finally got the chance
to release like the album, you know what I'm saying,
like probably the culmination of what he'd been working towards
(02:25):
up to that point. What were your thoughts on the project?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Okay, so look leaning up to it, like I knew,
let's say, I knew it was coming down in a
couple of weeks. I was already playing section eighty hard,
you know what I'm saying, the kind of indie debut album,
and after hearing Cushion Corinthians. I have an article about
breaking the song down on Tomdadome dot com man and
(02:53):
hearing that Reagan era you know what I'm saying, High Power,
you know what I'm saying, produced by Jaco, just so
many amazing songs on section eighty and now, of course
years and years later you can see pictures and video
of hundred three thousand there with him, doctor Dread and
there with him. You know what I'm saying, a bus,
(03:13):
you know, for real, you know everybody like that, and
you know, it just kind of start up of seeing
something special.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So hearing about good getting mad shit.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think I heard maybe swimming Pool because you know,
it's like one of them singles or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I don't remember the very first single.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I was talking to my head, but that I got heard,
So I gonna heard on a mixtape anywhere. You know,
I'm always fishing, but I was like, okay, he's back,
just kind of ready to hear the album. You never
know when you're gonna you know, before you put out
what's gonna be, you know, especially with expectations real high.
Put that joint in man, and I'll say this, get
to the end of that album. You know, after you
(03:50):
sit there and you were like, you know what, I
literally just heard something special, you know, and I thought
that by the time I got to a single about me,
I was like, you know, that song is like eight
nine minutes long, man, and just the way he told
that story, it was amazing, you know what I'm saying.
So we are hearing that. I knew he was special.
(04:11):
But really, when that black boyfly, I was like, I
was like, Wow, I think we might have the next
West Coast classic album. That's kind of what I was thinking.
And it didn't take me like ten rides, you know
what I'm saying to get to that conclusion. Man, I
thought I listened to him, you know, I was getting
(04:31):
a little bit more knowledge. But I was kind of like,
I think this is the one. I think this might
be the album of a generation. And when I started
talking about it at that time, some people thought I
was just you know, it's funny now because some people
think I'm just new Kendrick Lamar fan when you can
go back and I've been talking about Kate dot since
since vandits lady like, I said, you know, so whatever,
But yeah, man, I knew something special, bab I mean,
(04:55):
I felt like.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It was the one.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and just for those like who don't know, and
we just mentioned Kendrick Lamar was one of our first episodes.
The we talked about the control verbs and you know
what that did in hip hop. But I'm like you man,
I was. I was on like I didn't catch k
Dot's mixtapes until I heard Section eighty because when I
(05:22):
heard section eighty, I was like, Wow, this is incredible.
This is like an album you know what I'm saying,
and he's young, but he's talking some real deep shit
you know what I'm saying, And it just came together
like the albums we knew from the nineties. So when
you know, he had his major debut on the horizon
(05:42):
and I heard when I first heard Swimming Pools, I
was thinking, like, h they are they trying to like
do the you know, we give y'all the street shit
on the mixtape side, but when it comes to the album,
we're going to just give you jams for the radio.
But the more I heard it, the more I was like, well,
now I mess with it anyway. And once I heard
(06:03):
the album, I was you said it right, like when
you know, oh, this is special. This ain't just oh
this is a dope album. No, this is this is
something different, And I agree, Like I felt like at
the time, this is when I was like doing the
early gym test when I would listen to new albums
(06:25):
and I just remember like it kind of had me
in the zone because I was so focused on everything
that was happening. I was just able to work out
and not think about it. But yeah, man, crazy album class.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Concept is basically one long it's like a story for
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Album.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So I mean he I like the way the little
skits or the little times within the album where his
parents on the phone and mom talking about getting something
from the store makes people some gas in my car,
you know what I'm saying like that, and we could
relate to that being like your.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Teenagers, like your parents.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If you're lucky enough for your parents let you drive
before you get your card, you better not bring that
thing back and eat, you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Know what I'm saying, right, And it was a question,
I guess the thing with that album for those who
don't know who are wrapped up in social media battles
and the drake and blah blah blah and all that shit,
what was dope about this album? Like you said, as
a concept, typically most rappers first album is like their biography.
(07:32):
That's how it's supposed to be. Like you're just letting
the world know who you are, what you're about, your people's,
your block, just everything. And Kendrick kind of took that
concept and really dug into it. So it's like it
feels West Coast, but it feels inspired by East Coast,
and it feels inspired by the nineties. But everything is
(07:53):
not like old school sounding or anything like that. It
was just everything and then the skits, like you said,
like we all know if you grew up in the nineties,
boy you press play, you getting some skits like from
most albums, but it was all meaningful and it all
played into the whole neighborhood vibe of the album. So yeah, man,
(08:16):
classic album. You know, y'all should definitely go back and listen.
We know there's been new joints and stuff like that,
and especially if you were somebody was introduced to k
through the battle and maybe you love G and X,
you should definitely go back in the catalog. You know
what I'm saying, to check out good kid Man City.
(08:37):
But what we're here to talk about today ironically, the
first album was also released in October. But it's a
guy who I think at the time, you know, we
all had different opinions about but there was some fans
that were like, nah, But when you look in retrospect,
(09:00):
it's he definitely life a big impression on the game.
So tone tell the people where we talked about.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Man, I'm glad they had this conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But it's also bid a sweet because the brothers no
longer with us, of course, passing several years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Man, But when we think.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
About when MC had a moment and then they maybe
disappear for a while and then come back years later
and stuff. But that sometimes we don't know how it's
gonna be. You know, we don't know if that rhymic
gonna still be the same or you know, you know,
did the break hurt him? Like how did Shine for example,
(09:39):
no disrespect he even admitted that, or do they would
it helped, you know what I'm saying, Like there's people
came out of jail, I mean, Tupac, a little bit
of time came out after Milligan's.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
World made all that for me, you know what I'm saying.
But in this case, today.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
The person who had the biggest man just chat and
you know it's just a new MC, a new artist.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
The biggest transition I've ever seen from in their history
of hip hop.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Nineties group km D guy named zeb Love.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Man personal tragedy that we'll get into disappears comes back
at the height. Were the beginning of what's going to
be a Rackers movement, underground resurgence, all of that. Zev
Love turns into MF doom all cap letters too now
(10:40):
and changes the whole world.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Man, What's some of your initial thoughts made.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well around the time when while starting at the beginning
with zeb Love acts like I remember hearing him on
a gas face with third Base and I was like,
I like that, dude. You know, It's similar to some
of us who saw Tupac first with Digital Underground and
was like, Yo, I like that dude. You know what
(11:06):
I'm saying, same song. So I felt that way about
zev Love X. I thought he was cool, We had
a nice flow, we had a decent voice to go with.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It, kind of the Quame era, you know all that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, he kind of fit the error, you know what
I'm saying at the time, And same thing with kim
D songs you know, were kind of fun, like peach Fuzz,
Like it's crazy you make a whole song about having
a little bit of facial you know.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It had a nice vibe to it had a native
tongue feel too.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know, mister Hood being the debut album that came
out like ninety one. You know what I'm saying, So well, yeah, man,
yeah that was that was They fit that moment in time.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You know, they definitely, they definitely didn't. I remember feeling
like like anxious to because you know, if you like somebody,
you know you want to hear more music from him,
and feeling anxious about that. But you know, like we're
going to get into everything. And when MF Doom came around,
I did not know that was Zev Love Acts. I
(12:08):
was just like, who's this dude?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You know what I'm saying, Look, no, you know what,
I haven't spoken to any one yet who said they
knew in Liken eight ninety nine is when he came.
When he came back on the scene, he dropped the
debut and we're gonna talk about nobody.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There was zeb lit x from km D.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
A lot of us didn't even know back then that
that that zeb was from the UK.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I know, I know they end up living in I
think you know, they end up living in like Long
Island or somewhere or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But he's from the UK, him and his brother Richard
p Sil.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's what's that's what's crazy about it, right, Like it's
almost as if we learned more about him and the
group as tragedy struck. Right, his brother DJ sub Rock
passed away unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And that's when he disappeared.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's when he disappeared. Also their album there they their
sophomore album, Black Bastards, getting shelved mainly because of the
cover was like a sambo who which was yeah, a
part of their image anyway, like and not in an
embracing sambo kind of like mocking it in a lot
(13:25):
of ways. But it was the sambo hanging on the
cover of the second album, and I remember it got
shelved and I'm not gonna lie to you tone like
you know this back during the Source days, I'm thinking, like,
what's gonna happen to zeb love X, Like you know,
obviously he took his brother's death pretty hard.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And now, yeah, they said.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's come a long time to really you know, you know,
to deal with that and COVID DAN and stuff like that,
and that's when he totally and put it again. Let
me say this too, you know, and bless us to
that situation. But back then, if you didn't look, I'm
a big group or you know artist.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
A lot you know what I mean, A lot of
people came out with one or.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Two good songs, even a decent first album, a great
first album, and you never heard from him again.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So KMD disappearing, even if his brother, you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Know, obviously we wished the brothers was both us still
with us, but if nothing, nothing happened, they might have
not made it because it was so hard to make
it during that time. And unfortunately, even though mister Hood
was good, it's not people instinct, the travels, you know,
it wasn't you know, it wasn't your rush the show
and pay them full. So you know, it wasn't nothing
that's gonna make the second album would have had to
come right back, you know, two three years later to
(14:38):
keep some momental you you turn to you know, one
of those nineties groups of eighties groups that disappeared, or
early two thousand group that disappear man, but.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Him coming back as MF. Dooman. I don't know where
you want a second, want to go at it, but
when Operation Dooms they dropped.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It was it came in the middle of the same
time when you're getting the Black Star album, Pharaoh Mush
and you know, turn a fair situation black on both sides,
training and thought this whole area, know, like ninety eight
when Black Star hit off to like two thousand Fi
Sis and be out in the underground, and the researchers
of that style and flavor of hip hop you know,
(15:17):
came back Lyricis Lounge all that stuff too.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So you know, he came.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Doing a time where you had to be good during
that time too, because you had these heavyweight underground cats
who was really were good.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Black Start really was good, Pharaoh much was really was good.
Em and him at that time really was good. He
had to joint any man on sound bombing too, just
in case somebody trying to fact Jimmie.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He was part of all of that.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Hammon Sadaidaks, all these guys was doing a lot of
stuff at the time, you know, and when MF Doone
came in with the look with the metal Facebook getting
all of that, and it's like, first of all, nobody
was that animated, looked like a character from the you know.
So I don't know, man, It just me first seeing
(16:01):
him and hearing Operations Dooms. I didn't know what to
think because I was like he had his style, unknoath,
the douts, flowing rhyme, man and stuff with going to
most people who really loved him as well as the MC.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Some gradham Seas really loved MF. Doom.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He was so different, vague, but the beats because we
actually got to say this too. The brother wasn't just
an MC because he was an EMC. He was adult
producer and inspire some other producers. Matlin was about that
a few you know what I'm saying. So MF Doo
made Beats Man and Beats Farms of Life.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
For real, man.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
But I was just thinking, man, when you heard some
Operation Doomsday, bro.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I'm not even gonna lie man. Around the time that
I even like I would see images of that album,
I didn't know what it was. And around the time,
and it probably wasn't ninety eight because I wasn't on
the radio. It might have been even later. He probably
had a couple of projects, but it was later. Yeah,
(17:05):
I was doing strictly hip hop in Baltimore. I had
just started, and I remember like, Dugy Old play Yah,
y'all need to play MF Doom. Y'all need to play
MF Doom. And at first I was like, man, shut
the fuck up, who are you tell me what to play?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But then you know, I would see and I remember
like we would do this thing. You know. The show
was Fridays from midnight to five a m. But during
the day or during the week, you know, we come
by and listen to music and decide, you know, what
we're gonna play. And I was like, oh, here go
that album, just sitting in the bend and I remember
playing it and I was like, what the fuck is
(17:43):
he talking about? Like who is because it was so like,
don't get me wrong, like at first, when I heard
the beat with the shade samp, I was like, I
might have to play this, like you know what I'm saying.
And then when he started rhyming, I was like, what
is this and I heard.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah? And then also it didn't help that dudes who
didn't understand that when you're playing music for the radio,
you're playing for everybody and not just one sector of
fans versus another. So they always wanted something that not
many people were talking about. But I just remember listening like,
(18:21):
I don't know if I could get into this. And
I think when I got interested is when somebody told me,
like one of the interns was like, yo, that's Zev
love X from km D. And then when I went
back and listened, I was like, that is him because
the joys. Yep. Then I kind of opened up a
(18:43):
little bit too, the ron patterns, and even though I
came to like him even more later, that was my
initial thoughts. It was more so like, am I playing
is for radio? Do I like it personally? Oh? Shit?
Is Zev love X? Wait a minute? He made the beats?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like, you know what, because he's one of those he's
so unique, you know what I'm saying. So he's gonna
be acquired taste for one, you know what I'm saying.
So it's and that's that's not a bad thing because
what he became, and you know, we'll get all there
is it's an underground legend, probably one of the biggest
legends in the underground hip hop is crazy because you know,
(19:20):
I remember him passing my wife, don't listen to the
ground hip hop like that. She's listening to g Z
and t I and all that. But when I said, man, Emma, no, no,
she came downstairs. I was looking at him, and she's like,
I just saw something like some guy named the mL
do because you a hip hop head, Tony, you know
that's my wife said like you got the mL.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Doing with the thing on his face? He died.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I'm huh, you know what I'm saying like, and I
was like, man, you know what I'm saying, like, of
course that's part of the hip hop family. So you know,
if you feel the pain for they loved ones and
stuff like that. And then there's two brothers going to
you know, pretty young one of was very young obviously
the mL for forty nine, but you know, like, you know,
going back to it initially hearing that Operations Doomsday. One
(20:01):
thing that he did that I was waiting for someone
to do, or more people to do, is to take
a shot they sample. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you know he used shot they for the Doomsday song.
You know what I'm saying, and it was just it
was just dope to hear that. Obviously, when he started rhyming,
it's almost like he was on beat but offbeat, you
know what I'm saying. Like it's it's hard to explain
(20:22):
MF Doom style, you know what I'm saying, But he
actually influenced a lot of people as MF Doom, you know,
not just his people over over in Europe, but even
underground people here in America also was influenced by his
flow and just kind of the way he constructed.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Songs and it was his production. For example.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Obviously we know about at some point that he drops
another underground classic album that's held it's one of the
greatest hip hop albums of all time and possibly the
greatest underground album of all time. He did with Mad
Lived In, Mad Villainy and Yah Yeah Man Villain and
(21:03):
that came out in two thousand and four. And let
me also preface that by saying that M Food also
came out in two thousand and four. So MF Doom
had two projects dropped in the same year, one in
March and one in November. He's just so he's talking
about MF. The EMM Food is a great album, you
know what I'm saying. That's his solo joint, you know
(21:25):
what I'm saying. And then you have that's like his
fourth album. At that time, he was pumping solo albums out,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
He did a couple of things where yeah he had
a bunch of collaborations.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, a whole lot of that. But this
is the same year when he worked with did the
Drawing a Man a little bit. People still rave about it. Actually,
Pitchfork just did their top we one hundred albums of
all time. I want to say the Man Villain Joint
was like now it's head and I'm just saying, but
that's a xample. If you look at the professional ratings
and stars and all the kind of like Mike's other
(22:00):
you know, outlets, he got like a four point fiveusand
and five like perfect all the way out, you know
what I'm saying. So it's a monumental album in underground
hip hop that stood the test of time when it's
coat following, and this is two thousand and four, and
again there EMM Food album in two thousand and four
as well, So he's blazing He's basically the underground king
(22:23):
in two thousand and four, and a lot of people
his core fan base they knew that, but a lot
of you know, hip hop heads and some casules didn't
know that about MF done On the underground, he was
revered like there's a video of fucking say real quick, Hey,
that's video. You can go on YouTube and put in
most depth talks MF dou He spent his whole song
(22:46):
you know what I'm saying, and then he broke down
and talked about some of the lines that MF dooing
was saying, you know what I mean? And he and
also this video one of his last performances. I see
the video when Tyler the Creator uh and and our
future them guys met MF. Doom like one dude like
he's about to cry when he met him.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Bro and.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Tyler the Creator was jumping up and down. So this
showed up behind the stage. They would spending every word
that MF Doom was saying, and we know how big
it was. Start Tyler Creator turned out to be in
hip hop and one of his heroes was MF. Doom,
same with Matt Lives also talked about as one of
the great producers in hip hop, and he said he
(23:28):
heard Operations Doom Day and were like, man, where you
get those samples from? You know what I'm saying? And
the way he was making his beats. He said he
became a fan right then. And then Matt Villain McGann.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah. I think like if people who don't know MF.
Doom and you start, like I'm gonna start with his
first album, Operation Doomsday, right, it's probably the best introduction
you can get to what he is and his style
because his production kind of matched his rum style because
they'll have like game show sounds coming in and Shade's
(24:04):
playing and then there's like boom back drums and it'll
stop and have like some kind of fifties news like.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It has like some Mike like Marvel type, you know
right right right, you know the comic books will yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Like like when you think about it, some people do
this now, like when you see like cats post beats,
but it's like a cartoon from the eighties or seventies
or something like that. Like that was his music.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
His music sound that over twenty five years ago. I
mean Obrigda came out in nineteen ninety nine, so he
might have done it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
He might have done it in ninety seven, ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, he was already on it, which that's what made
it interesting real quick, Like I had looked up I
was like, you know, what, what the hell does MF mean?
And when you google it, metal face comes up, even
metal fingers. I guess that was for his production. But
(25:07):
on this project with MF. Griff, which is another dope project,
checking that's another collaboration, he says mad Flows.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
He said that, you.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Know what I'm saying, And I was like, wow, and
I know when it comes to Doom, all of that
shit means it. But one other thing that I used
to hear about him that was slowly making me a
fan in the early two thousands was sometimes he would
have shows and the niggo on stage wouldn't even be him.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, it'll just.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Be a darkskinned dude with a mask and people wouldn't
know whether Dune was performing or some duplicate he done
paid or what. And I think, you know what his
career made me think about, and you know we talk
about that too, is what ghost Face wanted to do. MF.
(26:00):
Doom did. Like remember, ghost Face was like, I'm never
gonna show my face. I'm gonna just have the mask
and that's gonna be it. MF Doom did that for real?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You really? Why? You know what? That's that's fun.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He absolutely did, And once he became m F Doom,
he never performed without that mask. He didn't do interviews
without the mask on. You want this if you went
to this, you know his trailer or someone, he has
the mask on.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So you're right, he's literally like when they say those
those method actors when they staying, when they stayed in
character all the time, but he really stayed and he
was MF doing for real.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Ghost Face couldn't do it like he tried. But you know,
I mean it kind of worked out for ghost Face,
you know, you know, but m F Doom kind of,
like you said, he kind of stuck to that for
the time being. But he worked with like Tom said,
he worked with Madly, He worked with Danger Mouse. He
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had a whole other project that I thought I didn't
hear before. So I asked the group chat, like, oh,
send me that joint, the Victor Vaughan Jointed. But then
when I started playing, I was like, oh I heard
this back then. This dude had all these different monikers
and mixtapes and albums. It's a lot of music.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, and you know what, all his production, his beats
to your point a few minutes ago, you made they
all work perfect with him, his production in terms of
like it sounded like something he would wrap over, you.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Know what I'm saying. And he was, he was making
those beats. You know what I'm saying that again.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
When I said it's about man with a few minutes
ago and Tyler, well, if some of you guys might
not realize Town to Create is a producer also, so
a lot of a lot of his dope songs you love,
he produced it, you know what I'm saying. So get
also influenced by Doom, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, man,
now it's so so dope to think about it.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, when you think about old odd future Wolf game, ah,
it sounds a lot like Doom, Like just influence.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And then so many people obviously and uh you know
in the UK, but also man, you know having fans
you know on the underground like day Lot Soul where
you know, Grindde come out in two thousand and four
to get MF.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Doom was on fire.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You know what I'm saying, because he's he's own joints
with Daylight Soul at that point, but he also has
the EMM Food and the mad Villa and.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Jordan was he on he was on Rock Cocaine Flow, right, Oh,
Rock Cocaine Flow. He was on there. Yeah, Grande joint.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Uh they did.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
They performed live on like uh late night talk show
and Doom came out performing Daylight.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah. I remember that, and I remember he murdered that.
And for me, in my mind, it kept saying, of
course he did. Love X. I thought he was nice
back then, Yeah he was. He was different, he was
different now.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
You know what dope I said real quick is when
they came out with km D, that's kind of like
that native tongue vibe. And I would have imagined all
of them probably ranting each other several times and in
New York and hung out because I was km D
was kind of like the understudy of third Base because
zeb love X a K MF.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Doom.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
He talked before in old videos that third that that
MC search basically gave him a chance. You know what
I'm saying and put them on you know what I'm saying.
So that's MC search again, uh help putting, help put
with nas, with los profels, and help with uh zeph
love with km D. He turns out to be MF Doom.
(29:48):
If there's no km D. You know, if if MC
search doesn't help these guys back in the you know,
late eighties and what have you earlier, you know, before ninety,
and they don't become km D, then they might not
ever been an MF du So hip hop is different.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, And I just looked to confirm it was rock
cocaine flow because I remember, like, yeah, I felt like
that was a doom style beat. Also, you know a
beat that's going one temple so to a statter almost. Yeah.
And even though everybody I don't know, I don't know
who made that beat, I think that's Dyla. I think
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I think Dyla might have made that joint.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
He can make any he can make anything, so right, I.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Can't I can't remember, so y'all leave it in a
common self.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Y y'all fact you doesn't let us know who made
the beat to that joint?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Oh well, yeah, one thing I was going to say
about him, like there's a there's a documentary or like footage.
I don't know, honestly, I don't know what it is.
It's either footage or footage from a documentary or whatever.
But of him and Madly before mad Villainy kind of
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first of all, digging for beats, Yeah, on each other,
you know what I'm talking about, And yeah, I know
that was all they're talking about. You know, you know
how they became cool and you know they're different methods
or whatever. And you could see it's kind of dope
to see because, like you said earlier, mad Lib is like,
(31:25):
you know, like I rock with this dude, like I'm learning.
You could tell he feels like he's learning something from me.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And what.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I like about MF. Dune especially sometimes in those interviews,
he didn't have like a he was just him, like
he didn't have a big head about what he had
to say, or you know, whether even when he met
Tyler and all of them, he was like what's up? Yeah,
it was regular. It was regular ship like it came
(31:54):
up author, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So, you know a lot of people liked him.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, Now obviously there was at some point even with
mad Villainy, Like I think Mad Villainy introduced him to
a broader audience, but I don't think it adored him
to like you said, the hip hop heads who weren't
on MF Doom like that. I still felt like there
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was a there were people who still felt some kind
of way about the music. I know, me it was
a little bit. I was a little bit slow with
liking certain things versus not like another video. What do
you feel about or what do you feel it was
about his style that it wasn't digestible to hip hop
fans who or let me just say hip hop heads
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who say they care about different flows and styles and
being unique, not really looking at Doom right off the
bat and his music and saying, yo, this is hip hop.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean there's a few things, man.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
One is he's not your traditional MC. So let's talk
about East Coast for example. He's not gonna have these
bars that maybe people you know who like the way
Jadak is not raped. He don't rap like them, you
know what I'm saying. You know, you know could put
songs together like them. He is very unique as flow.
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It's kind of it's kind of hard to describe it.
You know, it's very abstract with the way he rapped,
you know what I'm saying, and even his production it's underground,
but it's even different than what you would have heard
on MF doing album or project. Sound like an MF
doing album project, you know what I'm saying. You know,
Pharaoh and Tyler and most of all them, all the
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albums was dope, but it was in the same vein
of production, high tech and all of them, you know
what i mean, So you knew what their eighty eight kids,
Q tip whoever, you know how it's gonna sound, which
is a great day. MF doing sound was so not
like anything else. And then his some people who you know,
quote unquote some of the cool so so called street dudes,
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they really don't want to at the time, probably embrace
somebody who got like a got a mask off.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
For some of those certain kind of cats, you can
imagine them thinking this dude's corner, yo, you know what
I'm saying, like and but not knowing that he's he's
a dope cat, you know what I'm saying. But you
will probably look at his experience to get corny hear
his voice and flow and be like that ain't my
style because we used to think chopped up a little different. Well,
I'm here in rhyms for you know, for those kind
of So then you got the underground and it's kind
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of like eclectic kids just embraced him. Of course, you
know they're gonna embrace you back at home in London
and all over you know what I'm saying, Europe gonna embrace.
But over here a lot of the college kids, quirky kids, skateboarders,
all kind of kids from different black and some black
kids who are kind of like artsy or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
They became mL dude loyalists, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
And then the legend group it grew every year, and
he was one of them, people like tech NW who
when he went somewhere, his fan base followed him, you
know what I'm saying. And MF. Doom had a real
fan base before he passed away. And when he passed away,
you know, they showed the love they consistently showed all
the time, and he got even larger after he died.
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But that's not a slight when they say somebody get
more feelings when they died or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
He did a lot of work while he was alive.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I mean he had like six solo albums and then
like seven collaborative album projects with other people, you.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So he had he had like fit at the other
mixtape he had. Yeah, he had a lot of work,
and he produced almost all of his music, you know
what I'm saying. So he wrote it and produced all
his music. So he had a legacy before he passed.
But he got even more famous because a lot of
people who would have overlooked him back then, like you
know what, I'm just searching for other hip hop stuff
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over the last decade and some of that, and then
you'd be like you're talking about this MF Doom Dude, Man,
I just couldn't I mean, play it again. Then you
start going through some of the albums here, like this
dude really is dope.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, I want to get I want.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
To give the listeners to like four or five of
my favorite like Doom songs I wrote down to.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Okay, Well, one thing I'll say is like a couple
of things, like you mentioned with having projects, ghost Faces
talked about him and Doom having a project.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Songs on on one on one of those albums, dude,
he did. Yeah, he was like two or three songs
and it was either Fish Game. It might have been
more Fish, I'm not I'm not sure right now. But
Ghost said he had been trying to get with you
when he finally got chance to get a couple of
tracks off out of him.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, like he Ghost appeared on the Danger Mouth Amounts
project with him, and you know, obviously they sound dope together.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
They respected the joke.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, he said they have enough songs for an album.
But he also and I can't remember if this dropped
after he passed, like close to when he passed, or
right before or whatever, or when we didn't know he
passed with Czar Faces Our Face meets Metal Face, which
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was an album you know that came out. Believed that
might have came out twenty twenty or something like that,
but we didn't find out it came out at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, because people didn't find out to December. But passed
on Halloween, right, And.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
A lot of people didn't believe it either because of
those in the past of you know, him playing tricks
with people being in shows, not being in shows and
stuff like that. But like to Tone's point, you know,
ghost Face was saying, like, you know, it's not just
the project with me, like we got joints and he
(38:02):
got a bunch of joints and uh, he left a
lot of music. I agree. I feel like because I
was one of those people who really didn't necessarily get
into it, because I guess I didn't expect it. But
it's weird because he was doing a lot of the
same things that made some people not want to listen
(38:23):
to eminem right, like doom to say some crazy ship
like putting noodles out and you like noodles in your poodle?
What the fun.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
You know what's funny. That's what's funny too, he said,
I wrote this down. He said.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
He said, might snatch your life like a like a
salt machine. So it's like he's saying salt like they kill,
Like you know, I guess be a salt bad for you.
You know what I'm saying, I might snatch your life
like assault machine, like yeah, something like that, and then
(39:00):
also said my mind is Heaven's gates. Aswered me, that's
pretty dope, man, my mind, my mind is Heaven's gates,
answered me.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, dude, was wild Man.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I think to your point, that's that's what it was,
because I know that was the thing with the Hip
Hop Show. They were people who were clamoring for us
to play hip hop. I mean Mad Villain were not
Mad Villain. Well, I guess all of it, to be honest,
but Doom in general, and I kind of feel like
after a while, I guess for me it was different
(39:34):
because you know, it was zev love X and I
had more of an interest around that time. But after
a while I started to see why people really liked
his music and what was really unique about him. And again,
like we said, when you're talking about what hip hop
is and all these damn rules and what people say
the essences, it can't just apply to an archetype that
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you like. Hip Hop is a lot of different things.
There's a lot of different flows people from elsewhere, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And those are just sitting it today on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Oh word, oh yeah, yeah, we'll say. I got a
question at that at the end, I think, you know,
but yeah, yeah, like people got to understand like what MF.
Doom did for the game is something that kind of
unfortunately is more appreciated now than it was when he
(40:30):
was running the streets a live making albums and projects.
I think he was building towards something. But again, his
brother had been in the game since the early nineties. Yeah,
so that's a lot of music. That's a lot of
politics with the industry and radio and you know, you
gotta feeds your family, all kinds of stuff. But I
think he probably would have been able to reap more
(40:53):
of that today as things got you know, a little
bit more opened up, and you know, the minds of
especially the kids, they like a lot. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Let me show you this real quick as you seem
food here, m hm record. You know, he up there
making beats and stuff now. So he inspired by M F.
Doom also and Knife and uh and for Real and
(41:29):
a few other guys. Man, but Doom is one of
his guys that he's he inspires him also, and the
game is about twelfth grade in high school.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
So M.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Doom has that kind of effect on a lot of
young new fans. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
He's one of those people, man who is really uh,
you know, gaining you know, And I think that was
gonna happen even if you know he has been alive
because that kind of uniqueness is bally gonna catch on
the more and more people, especially a social media getting
bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
He was gonna, you know, he was gonna still.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Do some of this, I believe, but you know, to
my point, you know a lot of young people are
really reallydiculous.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But I ain't mean to cut off here.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Of course he was gonna ask me, no, you kind
of you actually kind of said it. It was really
more so about what is MF. Doom's legacy in the game.
And I think to your point, right like your son
being in like exhibit A, is there's a generation of
kids who enjoy his music. And he's undoubtedly hip hop.
(42:33):
You know what I'm saying. Everything about him is hip
hop and.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
That's what he did crazy. He won a few people. Man,
I've seen who set Annita Baker, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
That first that first album though, Operation Doomsday is such
like it's.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Almost album man.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, it's like looking at someone who you didn't really
appreciate what was happening because of everything else that was
happening around the time that dropped, and Mad Villainy was
more so like a refinement of what he does, because
I think a lot of that is just the production
is just so fucking dope on Mad Villainy, Like.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, but you know it is, Man. But I'm gonna
tell you.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Like we said earlier, you know, the same year EMM
Food come out and a production on that is that's yo.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
He dropped two bankers in the same year. Man, that
don't happen a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
No usually something most MC's got one in him. I
gotta do this one time and that's that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
You gotta give people a few recommendations too.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, so go ahead to tell the people you know
your favorite song album.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Got a few of them down, Man. One of my
favorite album actually is Operations Doing you know what I'm saying.
That's my favorite from him. I know that, Man the
Villain album is the most popular in the underground.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
I would say that my three favorite ones Operation of Doomsday,
Mad Villain, and m M Food. I go back and
forth between MM Food and uh Mad Villain though, to
be honest with you, but I really like all three
of them a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
The Danger the Danger Mouse, I mean danger Zone is.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
It uh.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeaheah, yeah, yeah, the one to deal with danger mouse. Man,
it's it's dope. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
He got a lot of dope albums though, you know
what I'm saying, Like you got a lot of dope
album a lot of dope collapse, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
But yeah, my songs.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
He got one called the m C the n I
c uh. It's called the mic. That's called the mic
and it's on uh Operation Doom day Man. That's my
probably my favorite uh uh m doom song.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Man. So check out the.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Mic, the m I C Operation Doomsday. I like I
got I got to ask the Doomsday song because of
the sample. I loved that one, rap snitches.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Jesus that joint crazy whole Cake is crazy. You know
what I'm saying, Oh, case is crazy. Yeah, man, like
like there's those those are ones that come to mom. Man,
he has a lot of joints.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, so this is this is what I was in
before I get my recommendation. But he did do two
projects with MF. I mean with zar Face was at
least before he passed. I was thinking that was just
all one project in twenty eighteen, and then he uh
had another album in twenty twenty one after he passed
(45:42):
called Super What, which was another collaboration with zar Face.
But for me, I'm kind of similar operations Doomsday. I
just like it because it's the raw original, you know,
coming out party for MF. Doom. The other one probably
is Mad Villainy, just because it's almost as if he
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just jumped into another pocket on that one, also because
of the collaboration, and then probably the other one I
I'm not gonna lie, I probably listened to the most
over time was born like this because that track Gazillionaire.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Air, I gotta go back and do the knowledge more.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, listen to that joint just it's it's one of
those things where we could say, you know, oh yeah,
you might hear this track and he's just randomly rapping
and the beating is happening. But there are times like
Rock Cocaine Flow and other songs where he just stepped
back and pocket like, oh yeah, he can do it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
He can do it right.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Right when you hear gazillion it's like, oh, this dude
is different, Like he he can do whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
He can really rap.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Right, he could do whatever he wants. But yeah, man,
like again, like we said, MF. Doom, it's a legend
in hip hop for one of the biggest reasons why
we like care as much about hip hop and its originality.
Like like Tom said, there's nobody like him. There's nobody
(47:20):
who had a career like his where it was promising
in the beginning, and tragedy strikes and your album gets
shelved and all that, you disappear. You pop up at
a time where it's shiny soup Tom Jay z out bad.
But like and you here, you are just like boom here,
y'all go mask I'm not even gonna tell you, I'm
(47:41):
zeb love x you. You really had to listen to
those early records to him say stuff like rest in Peace,
sub Rocket.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
You're like, so you had to really be a fan
to even pick up on in those kind of rhymes
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Man.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
But yeah, man, he it was a true original.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
It's kind of like in hip hop history, originals are
people like that, you know, one of a kind of
bench marquee.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Old dirty bastard, old MF.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Doom.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
You know, some of those kind of people you can
never you know, even even your tupacs are beig and
people tried to be like them, but they just couldn't be.
Some people just want to want they're so unique. Man,
You're only gonna see that one time. If anybody else
tries to do what Doom did, people wouldn't make up
with clowning. They would make a market out of them,
because you can't do what Doom did. You know what
(48:36):
I'm saying, You just couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He did it.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
He did it in nineteen ninety nine, and did it
again and was still getting the same love up till
until he died. He was even more famous before he died.
Then he wasn't he when he popped off of the
mL Doom even though he became an underground legend, his
legend just kept growing, you know what I'm saying. So
I think he leads a like I said, a mark
with a lot of young, innovative, talented people, you know
(49:00):
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
And get his name. When you hear you you will
see even some of the biggest.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
People in hip hop, when they hear that name, they're like,
oh yeah, respect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
So a lot of other legends in hip hop looked at.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Him as one of those unique one of More's man
and he'll always be respected in hip hop community.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Man, really no doubt. What do you think about and
man if Doom? Leave your comments in the comments section
below where you right there were Operation Dooms they dropped
and was like, I'm a fan and you listen to
everything that drop because there's a lot of stuff, you know,
a lot of mixtapes, remixes, all conds of stuff that drop, demos,
(49:42):
everything different under different names. Victor von Doom, you know
what I'm saying, Like M's Doom Doom, like all COSA joints,
including his group collaborations, all of that good stuff. Leave
your comments in a comment section below. We're gonna I
want to do something that we kind of like to
do at the end now, which is more so like
(50:04):
a little soapbox ran kind of sign the thing, but
just coming you know, current conversations tone. Let me ask
you this. I already know the answer because I saw
you comment about it and I did also Benny the
Butcher decided for those who don't know that again, he
wants to say that the hip hop game is messed
(50:27):
up because nerds are running raps and it's no longer
run by the streets tone. I believe that Benny the
Butcher is younger than you and me. I don't remember
at any point where the streets and I don't even
know what that means anymore, when the Streets was running
hip hop. What do you think about and I'm going
(50:50):
to kind of, I guess splash my opinion in there
a little bit, But what do you think about somebody
who complains about specific fans that are also fans nerds?
You know what?
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Sometimes man, people are like awareness, you know what I'm
saying right now, being in like awareness, you know what
I'm saying, also being extra sensitive about a couple of things,
because a lot of people when they feeling's hurt or
they bothered by something and they got a certain persona
you know what I'm saying, they gotta like they gotta
try to play everybody.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
They're soft y'all. Lookle nerdy you know, nerd niggas.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
You know that it kind of make you feel a
little better because you actually something right now in the
game got you feel in a certain way. Maybe you
feel like you're getting to love you thought you was
gonna get. When you're trying to go mainstream to dip
jail joint. You know what I'm saying. Maybe you feel
like you know, something ain't being reciprocated. You know what
I'm saying, Things ain't happening. Maybe you thought certain tools
and certain things gonna pop off, and you realize that,
(51:47):
you know what I'm saying, it's not.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Where you wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
You know, maybe you gotta grow something as an artist
and keep it spending. Yeah, I know if he saw
this or anybody's got something to him. You know, they
always tag people all the time. People say, you know
I'm getting I got this, I'm making paper. Okay, well
cooly everything else should be everything, you know what I'm saying.
So the nerves actually buy more ruckers, ten more concerts, uh,
(52:12):
do more streaming for you? The nerves actually were are
the ones putting food on the table so you can
go go had all these other ventures and things of
that nature.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Because the real street dudes, whatever that is, Yeah, they're
not there. When they online, they right online trying to
holler at chicks. You know what I'm saying, They ain't
buying music. You know what I'm saying, They ain't buying
music like that how many so called street dudes at
your concerts?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Them nerves in the in the crowd, my dude. You
know what I'm saying. That ain't the hard street dudes.
You think them just nerves in there. And certain college
kids who got you know what I'm saying, Tom, here'll
figure some tms on.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
But they college kids, they're not hood dudes, even the
one who got dreads and braids and all that in college.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Bro, you know what I'm saying. So, and yeah, I'm
several years older than him, because had to look that
up too, see how old he was. I knowe I
was older than him anyway.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
But I'm just saying, like, Bro, there was not one
time in the history of this culture, maybe before record
deals with Sugar Hills Records and nothing and and repers
are light and all that, maybe some the streets was
you know, really small at the time right there when
the Bronx and stuff like that. So yeah, maybe some
street people had something to do with it right right
there that moment. Once record labels got into hip hop
(53:22):
radio stations, magazines, the main hood dudes made the streets
that the streets never ran hip hop once hip hop
became a business.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
So yeah, you're right. It feels like some.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Tagging in the in the segment right here, maybe you
need to learn something.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, because you know what it's sort of like you say,
you know, it's the it's the rejection, right, so I
feel rejected. Let me turn on the camera. I didn't
learn the first time when I was calling my fans
and nerds and all of that. Now here I go again.
But let's rewind like one week ago a where you
(53:59):
were solicit versus saying that you get a free Benny Verse,
but you had to pay one hundred dollars even to
be in the running. And we know and he know,
like I know, you could put on all your jewelry.
That means you ain't got no bread. You don't see
certain artists doing that unless they need it, you know
(54:21):
what I'm saying, they needed for something. I don't know
what his death Jam situation is. I know he came
out before that album dropped, which I liked the album.
He said it was going to be like DM Mexan
ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Again, I don't know if you was locked up or
it was a blizzard in Buffalo at the time, but
when dmxan ninety eight drop, which we got an episode
for two albums, he.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Was platinum quick in the same year Easy, there wasn't
anything like that on a death job, He's again tune.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
It's like you said, yah was a tornado X year
of nineteen ninety eight and hip hop was a tornado
only happened a couple of times in hip hop history.
So for one, you don't even want to put your
name next to something like that, because that's probably on
the top five introductory solo years for MC and rap history.
(55:20):
I mean, DMX, you gotta understand both of those albums,
they didn't say like one man each.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
We're talking about they're both.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
They were both multi platinum in the same I'm talking
about three four million type records, you know what I'm saying, right,
and so we're talking about that level. So that would
mean in today's streaming of albums, you know, being able
to have the stream like Drake or K that's.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Not gonna happen. Also, let's let's just because it. What's
so weird about him making these types of videos without
any real context, Just say names if you mean something else,
don't general Yeah, but this is the same dude who
was kind of trying to like still like, hey, Drake,
(56:05):
are you doing And Drake was like, yo, don't release
that song we did right, because he talked about the
song he did with Drake so much that when it
finally came out, no one cared, but you were waiting
on it, Like he has to understand if you're gonna
call your fans nerves and I'm one of his fans
were also not stupid. So we saw you solicited a
(56:27):
verse saying is free, but people got to pay one
hundred dollars. So you're trying to see that bro. Oh yeah,
it was straight up commercial, Like yo, it's the butcher,
you know, like, yo, you want to do like a song,
you want a verse? Whatever, give it? He said, free
versus and then he kind of went on talking more
(56:51):
and he was like, you know, like like pay one
hundred dollars and I'm thinking, like everybody not getting it,
like a hundred people, Like I think I got a hundred.
You're gonna give one hundred different verses or you're gonna
give everybody the same verse. What you're doing, man, if
you can't even edit that video to not say free
(57:12):
at one point, then say one hundred dollars, but then
call Do's nerds. Now, let me just say this because
I think I kind of think I know what he's
talking about, but they always kind of generalize. I think
he's just talking about and it could be because they're
not talking about him and his music all Griselda in general,
(57:34):
but he's talking about the consonos and not directly right,
like who's running the game as far as having a
voice in hip hop media? Right? The other guy? You know, academics, Right,
A lot of them feel like these guys are popular
(57:54):
and they talk about all these other records, but we
got the dope stuff, you know, we can't and get
the Grammy because of the nerds and only nerds. Remember
this is also toned. I don't know if you saw this,
but this was at least one of those guys that
was talking about the clips not being believable when they
were like burning hot, like in July when his stuff
(58:16):
was dropping and it was like ridiculous. And I don't
want to blame it on Buffalo because I'm from Brooklyn,
New York, but I'm like, yo, this must be some
thirty eight special. Step up. Somebody step up and show
me something different. At least conways quiet. I'll say that much.
He's quiet, he doing his thing, but it just felt
(58:37):
weird to see him do this.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Some of these guys, some of these guys need to
get back to understanding what mystique mean. When we don't
get too much, you know what I'm saying, you always
come out better. And I know everybody not gonna be
a you know somebody like like certain legends who don't
do social media all or only will update ig or
some of the business venture somebody that some of them
(59:01):
gonna do something like that.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
They're gonna have certain people who do interact with people.
You know what I'm saying, you know, put it off
and on social media, but you can't let them see
your sweat, man, you know what I'm saying, because I
think that when you lose your mistique, some of your
songs and music start sounding different to people's ears.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
It's like because they start having this vision of you
acting a certain way, you know, on social media and
stuff like that. You know, and you know it happened
to Kanye and several other people like you know, certain
people still rock with thet get me wrong, but it'll
be certain people kind of like you start turning them off,
you know what I'm saying, because hey man, you know,
just make your music man, do.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Your thing right. And look, I do get the frustration.
Yeah at the Hartists because I'm a fan. So I've
listened to everything dropped, including you know, summertime Butch two.
I like a lot. I played a lot during the summer.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
I just posted a joint rick again on the page from.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Uh Crazy with him in thirty eight special.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
But but you know what to these guys, you know,
these guys, you know, all mcs have to be able
to you know, I know every day with most most
celels and whatever feel get on social media somebody telling
them how great they are and how amazing they are
all day every day. So some of the little hate
(01:00:28):
here and now it's never gonna it's never gonna overshadow
the love. But some of them only pay attention only
and not somebody saying something that they didn't like. If
it's an honest critique, you didn't like the honest critique,
then you then you you you whined about something you know,
or even if it's hate for every somebody, every you
know what I'm saying, sending somebody's you know, hitting sins
(01:00:50):
hate on you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
A thousands of people just told you he was amazing. Right,
that's the end of these guys. You know what I'm saying.
So nobody should be so upset all the time. You know,
you waste. I'm convinient could be in a studio, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah, it's some of it also, like it's just old
school industry politics. It could be walls he's running into
trying to get ahead, you know, here and there, trying
to get a spot here and there. And it could
be actual industry nerds.
Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
All you doing your hip hop, all you're doing your
Jim Jones. You know, you know the algorithm.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
You know you go do that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
You know, you start treading a little bit, you know
what I'm saying. So it's all what's happening. It's probably marketing.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Too, right, But Jim Jones would never He's never squashed
his fans. He'll just say something out he says something
crazy like you know, I'm better than big and blah
blah blah. But he'll never be like only nerds and
listening now he Yeah, that's that's crazy right, like, yo,
stop talking about your fans, dog like, especially when those
(01:01:56):
same nerds took a Hip Hop d X articles that
quoted him saying he was a nerd. It's like, well,
I guess it takes someone to know one, right, that's
like the nerd shit, So.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
That's right, Yeah, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
But MF. Doom never did that. So again, y'all show
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(01:02:38):
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Thank good?
Speaker 3 (00:21):
And look, this is a red cup, but it's not
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Speaker 1 (00:28):
Correct. Yeah, I'm drinking ginger ale or as used to say,
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We have about seventy eight episodes of this very show
(00:51):
that's been going on for years right here on YouTube,
talking about various topics or pertaining to hip hop, from
record labels to albums, to moments like the Source Awards
in nineteen ninety five, to years like nineteen ninety three,
nineteen ninety six, even episodes like did the Source magazine
(01:14):
create the mystique behind Illmatic? We broke down all kinds
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Tone was already on that you know what I'm saying,
you know what I'm saying. So this is what we
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(01:38):
do read the comments. We will respond to you, unless
you know you on some other shit and whatever might
response anyway, you know. But one of the things we
like to do to start off the podcast is just
kind of look at what's going on in hip hop
history and October twenty second, twenty twelve, Kendrick Lamar released
(02:01):
his major label debut, Good Kid, Mad City Tone. I'm
pretty sure you were up on k dot way before that,
you know what I'm saying. When he was k dot
to most people, but when he finally got the chance
to release like the album, you know what I'm saying,
like probably the culmination of what he'd been working towards
(02:25):
up to that point. What were your thoughts on the project?
Speaker 3 (02:28):
Okay, so look leaning up to it, like I knew,
let's say, I knew it was coming down in a
couple of weeks. I was already playing section eighty hard,
you know what I'm saying, the kind of indie debut album,
and after hearing Cushion Corinthians. I have an article about
breaking the song down on Tomdadome dot com man and
(02:53):
hearing that Reagan era you know what I'm saying, High Power,
you know what I'm saying, produced by Jaco, just so
many amazing songs on section eighty and now, of course
years and years later you can see pictures and video
of hundred three thousand there with him, doctor Dread and
there with him. You know what I'm saying, a bus,
(03:13):
you know, for real, you know everybody like that, and
you know, it just kind of start up of seeing
something special.
Speaker 2 (03:18):
So hearing about good getting mad shit.
Speaker 3 (03:21):
I think I heard maybe swimming Pool because you know,
it's like one of them singles or whatever.
Speaker 2 (03:25):
I don't remember the very first single.
Speaker 3 (03:28):
I was talking to my head, but that I got heard,
So I gonna heard on a mixtape anywhere. You know,
I'm always fishing, but I was like, okay, he's back,
just kind of ready to hear the album. You never
know when you're gonna you know, before you put out
what's gonna be, you know, especially with expectations real high.
Put that joint in man, and I'll say this, get
to the end of that album. You know, after you
(03:50):
sit there and you were like, you know what, I
literally just heard something special, you know, and I thought
that by the time I got to a single about me,
I was like, you know, that song is like eight
nine minutes long, man, and just the way he told
that story, it was amazing, you know what I'm saying.
So we are hearing that. I knew he was special.
(04:11):
But really, when that black boyfly, I was like, I
was like, Wow, I think we might have the next
West Coast classic album. That's kind of what I was thinking.
And it didn't take me like ten rides, you know
what I'm saying to get to that conclusion. Man, I
thought I listened to him, you know, I was getting
(04:31):
a little bit more knowledge. But I was kind of like,
I think this is the one. I think this might
be the album of a generation. And when I started
talking about it at that time, some people thought I
was just you know, it's funny now because some people
think I'm just new Kendrick Lamar fan when you can
go back and I've been talking about Kate dot since
since vandits lady like, I said, you know, so whatever,
But yeah, man, I knew something special, bab I mean,
(04:55):
I felt like.
Speaker 2 (04:57):
It was the one.
Speaker 1 (05:00):
Yeah, and just for those like who don't know, and
we just mentioned Kendrick Lamar was one of our first episodes.
The we talked about the control verbs and you know
what that did in hip hop. But I'm like you man,
I was. I was on like I didn't catch k
Dot's mixtapes until I heard Section eighty because when I
(05:22):
heard section eighty, I was like, Wow, this is incredible.
This is like an album you know what I'm saying,
and he's young, but he's talking some real deep shit
you know what I'm saying, And it just came together
like the albums we knew from the nineties. So when
you know, he had his major debut on the horizon
(05:42):
and I heard when I first heard Swimming Pools, I
was thinking, like, h they are they trying to like
do the you know, we give y'all the street shit
on the mixtape side, but when it comes to the album,
we're going to just give you jams for the radio.
But the more I heard it, the more I was like, well,
now I mess with it anyway. And once I heard
(06:03):
the album, I was you said it right, like when
you know, oh, this is special. This ain't just oh
this is a dope album. No, this is this is
something different, And I agree, Like I felt like at
the time, this is when I was like doing the
early gym test when I would listen to new albums
(06:25):
and I just remember like it kind of had me
in the zone because I was so focused on everything
that was happening. I was just able to work out
and not think about it. But yeah, man, crazy album class.
Speaker 2 (06:38):
Concept is basically one long it's like a story for
you know.
Speaker 1 (06:43):
Album.
Speaker 3 (06:44):
So I mean he I like the way the little
skits or the little times within the album where his
parents on the phone and mom talking about getting something
from the store makes people some gas in my car,
you know what I'm saying like that, and we could
relate to that being like your.
Speaker 2 (07:01):
Teenagers, like your parents.
Speaker 3 (07:03):
If you're lucky enough for your parents let you drive
before you get your card, you better not bring that
thing back and eat, you.
Speaker 1 (07:09):
Know what I'm saying, right, And it was a question,
I guess the thing with that album for those who
don't know who are wrapped up in social media battles
and the drake and blah blah blah and all that shit,
what was dope about this album? Like you said, as
a concept, typically most rappers first album is like their biography.
(07:32):
That's how it's supposed to be. Like you're just letting
the world know who you are, what you're about, your people's,
your block, just everything. And Kendrick kind of took that
concept and really dug into it. So it's like it
feels West Coast, but it feels inspired by East Coast,
and it feels inspired by the nineties. But everything is
(07:53):
not like old school sounding or anything like that. It
was just everything and then the skits, like you said,
like we all know if you grew up in the nineties,
boy you press play, you getting some skits like from
most albums, but it was all meaningful and it all
played into the whole neighborhood vibe of the album. So yeah, man,
(08:16):
classic album. You know, y'all should definitely go back and listen.
We know there's been new joints and stuff like that,
and especially if you were somebody was introduced to k
through the battle and maybe you love G and X,
you should definitely go back in the catalog. You know
what I'm saying, to check out good kid Man City.
(08:37):
But what we're here to talk about today ironically, the
first album was also released in October. But it's a
guy who I think at the time, you know, we
all had different opinions about but there was some fans
that were like, nah, But when you look in retrospect,
(09:00):
it's he definitely life a big impression on the game.
So tone tell the people where we talked about.
Speaker 2 (09:08):
Man, I'm glad they had this conversation.
Speaker 3 (09:10):
But it's also bid a sweet because the brothers no
longer with us, of course, passing several years ago.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Man, But when we think.
Speaker 3 (09:18):
About when MC had a moment and then they maybe
disappear for a while and then come back years later
and stuff. But that sometimes we don't know how it's
gonna be. You know, we don't know if that rhymic
gonna still be the same or you know, you know,
did the break hurt him? Like how did Shine for example,
(09:39):
no disrespect he even admitted that, or do they would
it helped, you know what I'm saying, Like there's people
came out of jail, I mean, Tupac, a little bit
of time came out after Milligan's.
Speaker 2 (09:48):
World made all that for me, you know what I'm saying.
But in this case, today.
Speaker 3 (09:54):
The person who had the biggest man just chat and
you know it's just a new MC, a new artist.
Speaker 2 (10:07):
Man.
Speaker 3 (10:08):
The biggest transition I've ever seen from in their history
of hip hop.
Speaker 2 (10:15):
Nineties group km D guy named zeb Love.
Speaker 3 (10:18):
Man personal tragedy that we'll get into disappears comes back
at the height. Were the beginning of what's going to
be a Rackers movement, underground resurgence, all of that. Zev
Love turns into MF doom all cap letters too now
(10:40):
and changes the whole world.
Speaker 2 (10:41):
Man, What's some of your initial thoughts made.
Speaker 1 (10:45):
Well around the time when while starting at the beginning
with zeb Love acts like I remember hearing him on
a gas face with third Base and I was like,
I like that, dude. You know, It's similar to some
of us who saw Tupac first with Digital Underground and
was like, Yo, I like that dude. You know what
(11:06):
I'm saying, same song. So I felt that way about
zev Love X. I thought he was cool, We had
a nice flow, we had a decent voice to go with.
Speaker 2 (11:15):
It, kind of the Quame era, you know all that.
Speaker 1 (11:18):
Yeah, he kind of fit the error, you know what
I'm saying at the time, And same thing with kim
D songs you know, were kind of fun, like peach Fuzz,
Like it's crazy you make a whole song about having
a little bit of facial you know.
Speaker 2 (11:32):
It had a nice vibe to it had a native
tongue feel too.
Speaker 3 (11:35):
You know, mister Hood being the debut album that came
out like ninety one. You know what I'm saying, So well, yeah, man,
yeah that was that was They fit that moment in time.
Speaker 1 (11:44):
You know, they definitely, they definitely didn't. I remember feeling
like like anxious to because you know, if you like somebody,
you know you want to hear more music from him,
and feeling anxious about that. But you know, like we're
going to get into everything. And when MF Doom came around,
I did not know that was Zev Love Acts. I
(12:08):
was just like, who's this dude?
Speaker 3 (12:10):
You know what I'm saying, Look, no, you know what,
I haven't spoken to any one yet who said they
knew in Liken eight ninety nine is when he came.
When he came back on the scene, he dropped the
debut and we're gonna talk about nobody.
Speaker 2 (12:27):
There was zeb lit x from km D.
Speaker 3 (12:30):
A lot of us didn't even know back then that
that that zeb was from the UK.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (12:36):
I know, I know they end up living in I
think you know, they end up living in like Long
Island or somewhere or whatever.
Speaker 2 (12:40):
But he's from the UK, him and his brother Richard
p Sil.
Speaker 1 (12:45):
That's what's that's what's crazy about it, right, Like it's
almost as if we learned more about him and the
group as tragedy struck. Right, his brother DJ sub Rock
passed away unfortunately.
Speaker 2 (13:02):
And that's when he disappeared.
Speaker 1 (13:04):
That's when he disappeared. Also their album there they their
sophomore album, Black Bastards, getting shelved mainly because of the
cover was like a sambo who which was yeah, a
part of their image anyway, like and not in an
embracing sambo kind of like mocking it in a lot
(13:25):
of ways. But it was the sambo hanging on the
cover of the second album, and I remember it got
shelved and I'm not gonna lie to you tone like
you know this back during the Source days, I'm thinking, like,
what's gonna happen to zeb love X, Like you know,
obviously he took his brother's death pretty hard.
Speaker 2 (13:43):
And now, yeah, they said.
Speaker 3 (13:44):
It's come a long time to really you know, you know,
to deal with that and COVID DAN and stuff like that,
and that's when he totally and put it again. Let
me say this too, you know, and bless us to
that situation. But back then, if you didn't look, I'm
a big group or you know artist.
Speaker 2 (14:03):
A lot you know what I mean, A lot of
people came out with one or.
Speaker 3 (14:06):
Two good songs, even a decent first album, a great
first album, and you never heard from him again.
Speaker 2 (14:12):
So KMD disappearing, even if his brother, you.
Speaker 3 (14:16):
Know, obviously we wished the brothers was both us still
with us, but if nothing, nothing happened, they might have
not made it because it was so hard to make
it during that time. And unfortunately, even though mister Hood
was good, it's not people instinct, the travels, you know,
it wasn't you know, it wasn't your rush the show
and pay them full. So you know, it wasn't nothing
that's gonna make the second album would have had to
come right back, you know, two three years later to
(14:38):
keep some momental you you turn to you know, one
of those nineties groups of eighties groups that disappeared, or
early two thousand group that disappear man, but.
Speaker 2 (14:47):
Him coming back as MF. Dooman. I don't know where
you want a second, want to go at it, but
when Operation Dooms they dropped.
Speaker 3 (14:57):
It was it came in the middle of the same
time when you're getting the Black Star album, Pharaoh Mush
and you know, turn a fair situation black on both sides,
training and thought this whole area, know, like ninety eight
when Black Star hit off to like two thousand Fi
Sis and be out in the underground, and the researchers
of that style and flavor of hip hop you know,
(15:17):
came back Lyricis Lounge all that stuff too.
Speaker 2 (15:19):
So you know, he came.
Speaker 3 (15:21):
Doing a time where you had to be good during
that time too, because you had these heavyweight underground cats
who was really were good.
Speaker 2 (15:28):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (15:28):
Black Start really was good, Pharaoh much was really was good.
Em and him at that time really was good. He
had to joint any man on sound bombing too, just
in case somebody trying to fact Jimmie.
Speaker 2 (15:37):
He was part of all of that.
Speaker 3 (15:39):
Hammon Sadaidaks, all these guys was doing a lot of
stuff at the time, you know, and when MF Doone
came in with the look with the metal Facebook getting
all of that, and it's like, first of all, nobody
was that animated, looked like a character from the you know.
So I don't know, man, It just me first seeing
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him and hearing Operations Dooms. I didn't know what to
think because I was like he had his style, unknoath,
the douts, flowing rhyme, man and stuff with going to
most people who really loved him as well as the MC.
Speaker 2 (16:14):
Some gradham Seas really loved MF. Doom.
Speaker 3 (16:16):
He was so different, vague, but the beats because we
actually got to say this too. The brother wasn't just
an MC because he was an EMC. He was adult
producer and inspire some other producers. Matlin was about that
a few you know what I'm saying. So MF Doo
made Beats Man and Beats Farms of Life.
Speaker 2 (16:34):
For real, man.
Speaker 3 (16:36):
But I was just thinking, man, when you heard some
Operation Doomsday, bro.
Speaker 1 (16:42):
I'm not even gonna lie man. Around the time that
I even like I would see images of that album,
I didn't know what it was. And around the time,
and it probably wasn't ninety eight because I wasn't on
the radio. It might have been even later. He probably
had a couple of projects, but it was later. Yeah,
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I was doing strictly hip hop in Baltimore. I had
just started, and I remember like, Dugy Old play Yah,
y'all need to play MF Doom. Y'all need to play
MF Doom. And at first I was like, man, shut
the fuck up, who are you tell me what to play?
Speaker 2 (17:21):
Right?
Speaker 1 (17:22):
But then you know, I would see and I remember
like we would do this thing. You know. The show
was Fridays from midnight to five a m. But during
the day or during the week, you know, we come
by and listen to music and decide, you know, what
we're gonna play. And I was like, oh, here go
that album, just sitting in the bend and I remember
playing it and I was like, what the fuck is
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he talking about? Like who is because it was so like,
don't get me wrong, like at first, when I heard
the beat with the shade samp, I was like, I
might have to play this, like you know what I'm saying.
And then when he started rhyming, I was like, what
is this and I heard.
Speaker 2 (17:59):
It wasn't it?
Speaker 1 (18:00):
Yeah? And then also it didn't help that dudes who
didn't understand that when you're playing music for the radio,
you're playing for everybody and not just one sector of
fans versus another. So they always wanted something that not
many people were talking about. But I just remember listening like,
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I don't know if I could get into this. And
I think when I got interested is when somebody told me,
like one of the interns was like, yo, that's Zev
love X from km D. And then when I went
back and listened, I was like, that is him because
the joys. Yep. Then I kind of opened up a
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little bit too, the ron patterns, and even though I
came to like him even more later, that was my
initial thoughts. It was more so like, am I playing
is for radio? Do I like it personally? Oh? Shit?
Is Zev love X? Wait a minute? He made the beats?
Speaker 3 (18:57):
Like, you know what, because he's one of those he's
so unique, you know what I'm saying. So he's gonna
be acquired taste for one, you know what I'm saying.
So it's and that's that's not a bad thing because
what he became, and you know, we'll get all there
is it's an underground legend, probably one of the biggest
legends in the underground hip hop is crazy because you know,
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I remember him passing my wife, don't listen to the
ground hip hop like that. She's listening to g Z
and t I and all that. But when I said, man, Emma, no, no,
she came downstairs. I was looking at him, and she's like,
I just saw something like some guy named the mL
do because you a hip hop head, Tony, you know
that's my wife said like you got the mL.
Speaker 2 (19:37):
Doing with the thing on his face? He died.
Speaker 3 (19:39):
I'm huh, you know what I'm saying like, and I
was like, man, you know what I'm saying, like, of
course that's part of the hip hop family. So you know,
if you feel the pain for they loved ones and
stuff like that. And then there's two brothers going to
you know, pretty young one of was very young obviously
the mL for forty nine, but you know, like, you know,
going back to it initially hearing that Operations Doomsday. One
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thing that he did that I was waiting for someone
to do, or more people to do, is to take
a shot they sample. You know what I'm saying, Like,
you know he used shot they for the Doomsday song.
You know what I'm saying, and it was just it
was just dope to hear that. Obviously, when he started rhyming,
it's almost like he was on beat but offbeat, you
know what I'm saying. Like it's it's hard to explain
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MF Doom style, you know what I'm saying, But he
actually influenced a lot of people as MF Doom, you know,
not just his people over over in Europe, but even
underground people here in America also was influenced by his
flow and just kind of the way he constructed.
Speaker 2 (20:37):
Songs and it was his production. For example.
Speaker 3 (20:40):
Obviously we know about at some point that he drops
another underground classic album that's held it's one of the
greatest hip hop albums of all time and possibly the
greatest underground album of all time. He did with Mad
Lived In, Mad Villainy and Yah Yeah Man Villain and
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that came out in two thousand and four. And let
me also preface that by saying that M Food also
came out in two thousand and four. So MF Doom
had two projects dropped in the same year, one in
March and one in November. He's just so he's talking
about MF. The EMM Food is a great album, you
know what I'm saying. That's his solo joint, you know
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what I'm saying. And then you have that's like his
fourth album. At that time, he was pumping solo albums out,
you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (21:31):
He did a couple of things where yeah he had
a bunch of collaborations.
Speaker 3 (21:37):
Oh yeah, yeah, a whole lot of that. But this
is the same year when he worked with did the
Drawing a Man a little bit. People still rave about it. Actually,
Pitchfork just did their top we one hundred albums of
all time. I want to say the Man Villain Joint
was like now it's head and I'm just saying, but
that's a xample. If you look at the professional ratings
and stars and all the kind of like Mike's other
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you know, outlets, he got like a four point fiveusand
and five like perfect all the way out, you know
what I'm saying. So it's a monumental album in underground
hip hop that stood the test of time when it's
coat following, and this is two thousand and four, and
again there EMM Food album in two thousand and four
as well, So he's blazing He's basically the underground king
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in two thousand and four, and a lot of people
his core fan base they knew that, but a lot
of you know, hip hop heads and some casules didn't
know that about MF done On the underground, he was
revered like there's a video of fucking say real quick, Hey,
that's video. You can go on YouTube and put in
most depth talks MF dou He spent his whole song
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you know what I'm saying, and then he broke down
and talked about some of the lines that MF dooing
was saying, you know what I mean? And he and
also this video one of his last performances. I see
the video when Tyler the Creator uh and and our
future them guys met MF. Doom like one dude like
he's about to cry when he met him.
Speaker 2 (23:05):
Bro and.
Speaker 3 (23:07):
Tyler the Creator was jumping up and down. So this
showed up behind the stage. They would spending every word
that MF Doom was saying, and we know how big
it was. Start Tyler Creator turned out to be in
hip hop and one of his heroes was MF. Doom,
same with Matt Lives also talked about as one of
the great producers in hip hop, and he said he
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heard Operations Doom Day and were like, man, where you
get those samples from? You know what I'm saying? And
the way he was making his beats. He said he
became a fan right then. And then Matt Villain McGann.
Speaker 1 (23:41):
Yeah. I think like if people who don't know MF.
Doom and you start, like I'm gonna start with his
first album, Operation Doomsday, right, it's probably the best introduction
you can get to what he is and his style
because his production kind of matched his rum style because
they'll have like game show sounds coming in and Shade's
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playing and then there's like boom back drums and it'll
stop and have like some kind of fifties news like.
Speaker 2 (24:12):
It has like some Mike like Marvel type, you know
right right right, you know the comic books will yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:21):
Like like when you think about it, some people do
this now, like when you see like cats post beats,
but it's like a cartoon from the eighties or seventies
or something like that. Like that was his music.
Speaker 3 (24:34):
His music sound that over twenty five years ago. I
mean Obrigda came out in nineteen ninety nine, so he
might have done it.
Speaker 2 (24:43):
He might have done it in ninety seven, ninety eight.
Speaker 1 (24:46):
Yeah, he was already on it, which that's what made
it interesting real quick, Like I had looked up I
was like, you know, what, what the hell does MF mean?
And when you google it, metal face comes up, even
metal fingers. I guess that was for his production. But
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on this project with MF. Griff, which is another dope project,
checking that's another collaboration, he says mad Flows.
Speaker 2 (25:17):
He said that, you.
Speaker 1 (25:19):
Know what I'm saying, And I was like, wow, and
I know when it comes to Doom, all of that
shit means it. But one other thing that I used
to hear about him that was slowly making me a
fan in the early two thousands was sometimes he would
have shows and the niggo on stage wouldn't even be him.
Speaker 2 (25:38):
Yeah, it'll just.
Speaker 1 (25:39):
Be a darkskinned dude with a mask and people wouldn't
know whether Dune was performing or some duplicate he done
paid or what. And I think, you know what his
career made me think about, and you know we talk
about that too, is what ghost Face wanted to do. MF.
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Doom did. Like remember, ghost Face was like, I'm never
gonna show my face. I'm gonna just have the mask
and that's gonna be it. MF Doom did that for real?
Speaker 2 (26:08):
You really? Why? You know what? That's that's fun.
Speaker 3 (26:11):
He absolutely did, And once he became m F Doom,
he never performed without that mask. He didn't do interviews
without the mask on. You want this if you went
to this, you know his trailer or someone, he has
the mask on.
Speaker 2 (26:24):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (26:25):
So you're right, he's literally like when they say those
those method actors when they staying, when they stayed in
character all the time, but he really stayed and he
was MF doing for real.
Speaker 1 (26:36):
Yeah, he was.
Speaker 2 (26:37):
He couldn't do it.
Speaker 1 (26:39):
Ghost Face couldn't do it like he tried. But you know,
I mean it kind of worked out for ghost Face,
you know, you know, but m F Doom kind of,
like you said, he kind of stuck to that for
the time being. But he worked with like Tom said,
he worked with Madly, He worked with Danger Mouse. He
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had a whole other project that I thought I didn't
hear before. So I asked the group chat, like, oh,
send me that joint, the Victor Vaughan Jointed. But then
when I started playing, I was like, oh I heard
this back then. This dude had all these different monikers
and mixtapes and albums. It's a lot of music.
Speaker 3 (27:25):
Yeah, and you know what, all his production, his beats
to your point a few minutes ago, you made they
all work perfect with him, his production in terms of
like it sounded like something he would wrap over, you.
Speaker 2 (27:40):
Know what I'm saying. And he was, he was making
those beats. You know what I'm saying that again.
Speaker 3 (27:44):
When I said it's about man with a few minutes
ago and Tyler, well, if some of you guys might
not realize Town to Create is a producer also, so
a lot of a lot of his dope songs you love,
he produced it, you know what I'm saying. So get
also influenced by Doom, you know what I'm saying. So yeah, man,
now it's so so dope to think about it.
Speaker 1 (28:04):
Yeah, when you think about old odd future Wolf game, ah,
it sounds a lot like Doom, Like just influence.
Speaker 3 (28:14):
And then so many people obviously and uh you know
in the UK, but also man, you know having fans
you know on the underground like day Lot Soul where
you know, Grindde come out in two thousand and four
to get MF.
Speaker 2 (28:26):
Doom was on fire.
Speaker 3 (28:28):
You know what I'm saying, because he's he's own joints
with Daylight Soul at that point, but he also has
the EMM Food and the mad Villa and.
Speaker 1 (28:34):
Jordan was he on he was on Rock Cocaine Flow, right, Oh,
Rock Cocaine Flow. He was on there. Yeah, Grande joint.
Speaker 2 (28:45):
Uh they did.
Speaker 3 (28:46):
They performed live on like uh late night talk show
and Doom came out performing Daylight.
Speaker 1 (28:52):
Yeah. I remember that, and I remember he murdered that.
And for me, in my mind, it kept saying, of
course he did. Love X. I thought he was nice
back then, Yeah he was. He was different, he was
different now.
Speaker 3 (29:06):
You know what dope I said real quick is when
they came out with km D, that's kind of like
that native tongue vibe. And I would have imagined all
of them probably ranting each other several times and in
New York and hung out because I was km D
was kind of like the understudy of third Base because
zeb love X a K MF.
Speaker 2 (29:27):
Doom.
Speaker 3 (29:28):
He talked before in old videos that third that that
MC search basically gave him a chance. You know what
I'm saying and put them on you know what I'm saying.
So that's MC search again, uh help putting, help put
with nas, with los profels, and help with uh zeph
love with km D. He turns out to be MF Doom.
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If there's no km D. You know, if if MC
search doesn't help these guys back in the you know,
late eighties and what have you earlier, you know, before ninety,
and they don't become km D, then they might not
ever been an MF du So hip hop is different.
Speaker 1 (30:05):
Yeah, And I just looked to confirm it was rock
cocaine flow because I remember, like, yeah, I felt like
that was a doom style beat. Also, you know a
beat that's going one temple so to a statter almost. Yeah.
And even though everybody I don't know, I don't know
who made that beat, I think that's Dyla. I think
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I think Dyla might have made that joint.
Speaker 2 (30:30):
He can make any he can make anything, so right, I.
Speaker 1 (30:34):
Can't I can't remember, so y'all leave it in a
common self.
Speaker 2 (30:37):
Y y'all fact you doesn't let us know who made
the beat to that joint?
Speaker 1 (30:41):
Oh well, yeah, one thing I was going to say
about him, like there's a there's a documentary or like footage.
I don't know, honestly, I don't know what it is.
It's either footage or footage from a documentary or whatever.
But of him and Madly before mad Villainy kind of
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first of all, digging for beats, Yeah, on each other,
you know what I'm talking about, And yeah, I know
that was all they're talking about. You know, you know
how they became cool and you know they're different methods
or whatever. And you could see it's kind of dope
to see because, like you said earlier, mad Lib is like,
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you know, like I rock with this dude, like I'm learning.
You could tell he feels like he's learning something from me.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Yeah, yeah, absolutely, And what.
Speaker 1 (31:32):
I like about MF. Dune especially sometimes in those interviews,
he didn't have like a he was just him, like
he didn't have a big head about what he had
to say, or you know, whether even when he met
Tyler and all of them, he was like what's up? Yeah,
it was regular. It was regular ship like it came
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up author, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (31:56):
So, you know a lot of people liked him.
Speaker 1 (31:59):
Yeah, Now obviously there was at some point even with
mad Villainy, Like I think Mad Villainy introduced him to
a broader audience, but I don't think it adored him
to like you said, the hip hop heads who weren't
on MF Doom like that. I still felt like there
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was a there were people who still felt some kind
of way about the music. I know, me it was
a little bit. I was a little bit slow with
liking certain things versus not like another video. What do
you feel about or what do you feel it was
about his style that it wasn't digestible to hip hop
fans who or let me just say hip hop heads
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who say they care about different flows and styles and
being unique, not really looking at Doom right off the
bat and his music and saying, yo, this is hip hop.
Speaker 2 (32:57):
I mean there's a few things, man.
Speaker 1 (33:00):
You know.
Speaker 3 (33:00):
One is he's not your traditional MC. So let's talk
about East Coast for example. He's not gonna have these
bars that maybe people you know who like the way
Jadak is not raped. He don't rap like them, you
know what I'm saying. You know, you know could put
songs together like them. He is very unique as flow.
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It's kind of it's kind of hard to describe it.
You know, it's very abstract with the way he rapped,
you know what I'm saying, and even his production it's underground,
but it's even different than what you would have heard
on MF doing album or project. Sound like an MF
doing album project, you know what I'm saying. You know,
Pharaoh and Tyler and most of all them, all the
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albums was dope, but it was in the same vein
of production, high tech and all of them, you know
what i mean, So you knew what their eighty eight kids,
Q tip whoever, you know how it's gonna sound, which
is a great day. MF doing sound was so not
like anything else. And then his some people who you know,
quote unquote some of the cool so so called street dudes,
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they really don't want to at the time, probably embrace
somebody who got like a got a mask off.
Speaker 2 (34:10):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:11):
For some of those certain kind of cats, you can
imagine them thinking this dude's corner, yo, you know what
I'm saying, like and but not knowing that he's he's
a dope cat, you know what I'm saying. But you
will probably look at his experience to get corny hear
his voice and flow and be like that ain't my
style because we used to think chopped up a little different. Well,
I'm here in rhyms for you know, for those kind
of So then you got the underground and it's kind
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of like eclectic kids just embraced him. Of course, you
know they're gonna embrace you back at home in London
and all over you know what I'm saying, Europe gonna embrace.
But over here a lot of the college kids, quirky kids, skateboarders,
all kind of kids from different black and some black
kids who are kind of like artsy or whatever.
Speaker 2 (34:53):
They became mL dude loyalists, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (34:57):
And then the legend group it grew every year, and
he was one of them, people like tech NW who
when he went somewhere, his fan base followed him, you
know what I'm saying. And MF. Doom had a real
fan base before he passed away. And when he passed away,
you know, they showed the love they consistently showed all
the time, and he got even larger after he died.
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But that's not a slight when they say somebody get
more feelings when they died or whatever.
Speaker 2 (35:25):
He did a lot of work while he was alive.
Speaker 3 (35:28):
I mean he had like six solo albums and then
like seven collaborative album projects with other people, you.
Speaker 2 (35:35):
Know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (35:36):
So he had he had like fit at the other
mixtape he had. Yeah, he had a lot of work,
and he produced almost all of his music, you know
what I'm saying. So he wrote it and produced all
his music. So he had a legacy before he passed.
But he got even more famous because a lot of
people who would have overlooked him back then, like you
know what, I'm just searching for other hip hop stuff
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over the last decade and some of that, and then
you'd be like you're talking about this MF Doom Dude, Man,
I just couldn't I mean, play it again. Then you
start going through some of the albums here, like this
dude really is dope.
Speaker 2 (36:11):
You know, I want to get I want.
Speaker 3 (36:12):
To give the listeners to like four or five of
my favorite like Doom songs I wrote down to.
Speaker 1 (36:17):
Okay, Well, one thing I'll say is like a couple
of things, like you mentioned with having projects, ghost Faces
talked about him and Doom having a project.
Speaker 3 (36:30):
Songs on on one on one of those albums, dude,
he did. Yeah, he was like two or three songs
and it was either Fish Game. It might have been
more Fish, I'm not I'm not sure right now. But
Ghost said he had been trying to get with you
when he finally got chance to get a couple of
tracks off out of him.
Speaker 1 (36:48):
Yeah, like he Ghost appeared on the Danger Mouth Amounts
project with him, and you know, obviously they sound dope together.
Speaker 2 (36:57):
They respected the joke.
Speaker 1 (37:00):
Yeah, he said they have enough songs for an album.
But he also and I can't remember if this dropped
after he passed, like close to when he passed, or
right before or whatever, or when we didn't know he
passed with Czar Faces Our Face meets Metal Face, which
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was an album you know that came out. Believed that
might have came out twenty twenty or something like that,
but we didn't find out it came out at the
same time.
Speaker 2 (37:32):
Yeah, because people didn't find out to December. But passed
on Halloween, right, And.
Speaker 1 (37:40):
A lot of people didn't believe it either because of
those in the past of you know, him playing tricks
with people being in shows, not being in shows and
stuff like that. But like to Tone's point, you know,
ghost Face was saying, like, you know, it's not just
the project with me, like we got joints and he
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got a bunch of joints and uh, he left a
lot of music. I agree. I feel like because I
was one of those people who really didn't necessarily get
into it, because I guess I didn't expect it. But
it's weird because he was doing a lot of the
same things that made some people not want to listen
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to eminem right, like doom to say some crazy ship
like putting noodles out and you like noodles in your poodle?
What the fun.
Speaker 2 (38:33):
You know what's funny. That's what's funny too, he said,
I wrote this down. He said.
Speaker 3 (38:38):
He said, might snatch your life like a like a
salt machine. So it's like he's saying salt like they kill,
Like you know, I guess be a salt bad for you.
You know what I'm saying, I might snatch your life
like assault machine, like yeah, something like that, and then
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also said my mind is Heaven's gates. Aswered me, that's
pretty dope, man, my mind, my mind is Heaven's gates,
answered me.
Speaker 2 (39:09):
Yeah, dude, was wild Man.
Speaker 1 (39:12):
Yeah, I think to your point, that's that's what it was,
because I know that was the thing with the Hip
Hop Show. They were people who were clamoring for us
to play hip hop. I mean Mad Villain were not
Mad Villain. Well, I guess all of it, to be honest,
but Doom in general, and I kind of feel like
after a while, I guess for me it was different
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because you know, it was zev love X and I
had more of an interest around that time. But after
a while I started to see why people really liked
his music and what was really unique about him. And again,
like we said, when you're talking about what hip hop
is and all these damn rules and what people say
the essences, it can't just apply to an archetype that
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you like. Hip Hop is a lot of different things.
There's a lot of different flows people from elsewhere, you
know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (40:04):
And those are just sitting it today on Twitter.
Speaker 1 (40:07):
Oh word, oh yeah, yeah, we'll say. I got a
question at that at the end, I think, you know,
but yeah, yeah, like people got to understand like what MF.
Doom did for the game is something that kind of
unfortunately is more appreciated now than it was when he
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was running the streets a live making albums and projects.
I think he was building towards something. But again, his
brother had been in the game since the early nineties. Yeah,
so that's a lot of music. That's a lot of
politics with the industry and radio and you know, you
gotta feeds your family, all kinds of stuff. But I
think he probably would have been able to reap more
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of that today as things got you know, a little
bit more opened up, and you know, the minds of
especially the kids, they like a lot. You know what
I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:07):
Let me show you this real quick as you seem
food here, m hm record. You know, he up there
making beats and stuff now. So he inspired by M F.
Doom also and Knife and uh and for Real and
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a few other guys. Man, but Doom is one of
his guys that he's he inspires him also, and the
game is about twelfth grade in high school.
Speaker 1 (41:37):
So M.
Speaker 2 (41:38):
Doom has that kind of effect on a lot of
young new fans. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (41:43):
He's one of those people, man who is really uh,
you know, gaining you know, And I think that was
gonna happen even if you know he has been alive
because that kind of uniqueness is bally gonna catch on
the more and more people, especially a social media getting
bigger and bigger.
Speaker 2 (41:59):
He was gonna, you know, he was gonna still.
Speaker 3 (42:00):
Do some of this, I believe, but you know, to
my point, you know a lot of young people are
really reallydiculous.
Speaker 2 (42:07):
But I ain't mean to cut off here.
Speaker 1 (42:08):
Of course he was gonna ask me, no, you kind
of you actually kind of said it. It was really
more so about what is MF. Doom's legacy in the game.
And I think to your point, right like your son
being in like exhibit A, is there's a generation of
kids who enjoy his music. And he's undoubtedly hip hop.
(42:33):
You know what I'm saying. Everything about him is hip
hop and.
Speaker 2 (42:41):
That's what he did crazy. He won a few people. Man,
I've seen who set Annita Baker, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 1 (42:53):
That first that first album though, Operation Doomsday is such
like it's.
Speaker 2 (42:59):
Almost album man.
Speaker 1 (43:01):
Yeah, it's like looking at someone who you didn't really
appreciate what was happening because of everything else that was
happening around the time that dropped, and Mad Villainy was
more so like a refinement of what he does, because
I think a lot of that is just the production
is just so fucking dope on Mad Villainy, Like.
Speaker 2 (43:23):
Yeah, but you know it is, Man. But I'm gonna
tell you.
Speaker 3 (43:27):
Like we said earlier, you know, the same year EMM
Food come out and a production on that is that's yo.
Speaker 2 (43:35):
He dropped two bankers in the same year. Man, that
don't happen a whole lot.
Speaker 1 (43:38):
No usually something most MC's got one in him. I
gotta do this one time and that's that.
Speaker 2 (43:47):
You gotta give people a few recommendations too.
Speaker 1 (43:50):
Yeah, so go ahead to tell the people you know
your favorite song album.
Speaker 3 (43:55):
Got a few of them down, Man. One of my
favorite album actually is Operations Doing you know what I'm saying.
That's my favorite from him. I know that, Man the
Villain album is the most popular in the underground.
Speaker 1 (44:09):
Uh.
Speaker 3 (44:09):
I would say that my three favorite ones Operation of Doomsday,
Mad Villain, and m M Food. I go back and
forth between MM Food and uh Mad Villain though, to
be honest with you, but I really like all three
of them a whole lot.
Speaker 2 (44:23):
The Danger the Danger Mouse, I mean danger Zone is.
Speaker 3 (44:26):
It uh.
Speaker 2 (44:29):
Yeaheah, yeah, yeah, the one to deal with danger mouse. Man,
it's it's dope. You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (44:35):
He got a lot of dope albums though, you know
what I'm saying, Like you got a lot of dope
album a lot of dope collapse, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (44:41):
But yeah, my songs.
Speaker 3 (44:42):
He got one called the m C the n I
c uh. It's called the mic. That's called the mic
and it's on uh Operation Doom day Man. That's my
probably my favorite uh uh m doom song.
Speaker 2 (44:54):
Man. So check out the.
Speaker 3 (44:55):
Mic, the m I C Operation Doomsday. I like I
got I got to ask the Doomsday song because of
the sample. I loved that one, rap snitches.
Speaker 2 (45:06):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (45:08):
Jesus that joint crazy whole Cake is crazy. You know
what I'm saying, Oh, case is crazy. Yeah, man, like
like there's those those are ones that come to mom. Man,
he has a lot of joints.
Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, so this is this is what I was in
before I get my recommendation. But he did do two
projects with MF. I mean with zar Face was at
least before he passed. I was thinking that was just
all one project in twenty eighteen, and then he uh
had another album in twenty twenty one after he passed
(45:42):
called Super What, which was another collaboration with zar Face.
But for me, I'm kind of similar operations Doomsday. I
just like it because it's the raw original, you know,
coming out party for MF. Doom. The other one probably
is Mad Villainy, just because it's almost as if he
(46:07):
just jumped into another pocket on that one, also because
of the collaboration, and then probably the other one I
I'm not gonna lie, I probably listened to the most
over time was born like this because that track Gazillionaire.
Speaker 2 (46:24):
Air, I gotta go back and do the knowledge more.
Speaker 1 (46:29):
Yeah, listen to that joint just it's it's one of
those things where we could say, you know, oh yeah,
you might hear this track and he's just randomly rapping
and the beating is happening. But there are times like
Rock Cocaine Flow and other songs where he just stepped
back and pocket like, oh yeah, he can do it.
Speaker 2 (46:48):
He can do it right.
Speaker 1 (46:50):
Right when you hear gazillion it's like, oh, this dude
is different, Like he he can do whatever.
Speaker 2 (46:59):
He can really rap.
Speaker 1 (47:00):
Right, he could do whatever he wants. But yeah, man,
like again, like we said, MF. Doom, it's a legend
in hip hop for one of the biggest reasons why
we like care as much about hip hop and its originality.
Like like Tom said, there's nobody like him. There's nobody
(47:20):
who had a career like his where it was promising
in the beginning, and tragedy strikes and your album gets
shelved and all that, you disappear. You pop up at
a time where it's shiny soup Tom Jay z out bad.
But like and you here, you are just like boom here,
y'all go mask I'm not even gonna tell you, I'm
(47:41):
zeb love x you. You really had to listen to
those early records to him say stuff like rest in Peace,
sub Rocket.
Speaker 2 (47:50):
You're like, so you had to really be a fan
to even pick up on in those kind of rhymes
and stuff like that.
Speaker 1 (47:58):
Man.
Speaker 2 (47:58):
But yeah, man, he it was a true original.
Speaker 3 (48:02):
It's kind of like in hip hop history, originals are
people like that, you know, one of a kind of
bench marquee.
Speaker 2 (48:11):
Old dirty bastard, old MF.
Speaker 1 (48:14):
Doom.
Speaker 3 (48:15):
You know, some of those kind of people you can
never you know, even even your tupacs are beig and
people tried to be like them, but they just couldn't be.
Some people just want to want they're so unique. Man,
You're only gonna see that one time. If anybody else
tries to do what Doom did, people wouldn't make up
with clowning. They would make a market out of them,
because you can't do what Doom did. You know what
(48:36):
I'm saying, You just couldn't do it.
Speaker 2 (48:38):
He did it.
Speaker 3 (48:39):
He did it in nineteen ninety nine, and did it
again and was still getting the same love up till
until he died. He was even more famous before he died.
Then he wasn't he when he popped off of the
mL Doom even though he became an underground legend, his
legend just kept growing, you know what I'm saying. So
I think he leads a like I said, a mark
with a lot of young, innovative, talented people, you know
(49:00):
what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:01):
And get his name. When you hear you you will
see even some of the biggest.
Speaker 3 (49:06):
People in hip hop, when they hear that name, they're like,
oh yeah, respect, you know what I'm saying.
Speaker 2 (49:10):
So a lot of other legends in hip hop looked at.
Speaker 3 (49:14):
Him as one of those unique one of More's man
and he'll always be respected in hip hop community.
Speaker 1 (49:21):
Man, really no doubt. What do you think about and
man if Doom? Leave your comments in the comments section
below where you right there were Operation Dooms they dropped
and was like, I'm a fan and you listen to
everything that drop because there's a lot of stuff, you know,
a lot of mixtapes, remixes, all conds of stuff that drop, demos,
(49:42):
everything different under different names. Victor von Doom, you know
what I'm saying, Like M's Doom Doom, like all COSA joints,
including his group collaborations, all of that good stuff. Leave
your comments in a comment section below. We're gonna I
want to do something that we kind of like to
do at the end now, which is more so like
(50:04):
a little soapbox ran kind of sign the thing, but
just coming you know, current conversations tone. Let me ask
you this. I already know the answer because I saw
you comment about it and I did also Benny the
Butcher decided for those who don't know that again, he
wants to say that the hip hop game is messed
(50:27):
up because nerds are running raps and it's no longer
run by the streets tone. I believe that Benny the
Butcher is younger than you and me. I don't remember
at any point where the streets and I don't even
know what that means anymore, when the Streets was running
hip hop. What do you think about and I'm going
(50:50):
to kind of, I guess splash my opinion in there
a little bit, But what do you think about somebody
who complains about specific fans that are also fans nerds?
You know what?
Speaker 3 (51:05):
Sometimes man, people are like awareness, you know what I'm
saying right now, being in like awareness, you know what
I'm saying, also being extra sensitive about a couple of things,
because a lot of people when they feeling's hurt or
they bothered by something and they got a certain persona
you know what I'm saying, they gotta like they gotta
try to play everybody.
Speaker 2 (51:23):
They're soft y'all. Lookle nerdy you know, nerd niggas.
Speaker 3 (51:25):
You know that it kind of make you feel a
little better because you actually something right now in the
game got you feel in a certain way. Maybe you
feel like you're getting to love you thought you was
gonna get. When you're trying to go mainstream to dip
jail joint. You know what I'm saying. Maybe you feel
like you know, something ain't being reciprocated. You know what
I'm saying, Things ain't happening. Maybe you thought certain tools
and certain things gonna pop off, and you realize that,
(51:47):
you know what I'm saying, it's not.
Speaker 2 (51:49):
Where you wanted to be.
Speaker 3 (51:50):
You know, maybe you gotta grow something as an artist
and keep it spending. Yeah, I know if he saw
this or anybody's got something to him. You know, they
always tag people all the time. People say, you know
I'm getting I got this, I'm making paper. Okay, well
cooly everything else should be everything, you know what I'm saying.
So the nerves actually buy more ruckers, ten more concerts, uh,
(52:12):
do more streaming for you? The nerves actually were are
the ones putting food on the table so you can
go go had all these other ventures and things of
that nature.
Speaker 2 (52:19):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:20):
Because the real street dudes, whatever that is, Yeah, they're
not there. When they online, they right online trying to
holler at chicks. You know what I'm saying, They ain't
buying music. You know what I'm saying, They ain't buying
music like that how many so called street dudes at
your concerts?
Speaker 1 (52:33):
Bro?
Speaker 3 (52:34):
Them nerves in the in the crowd, my dude. You
know what I'm saying. That ain't the hard street dudes.
You think them just nerves in there. And certain college
kids who got you know what I'm saying, Tom, here'll
figure some tms on.
Speaker 2 (52:44):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (52:45):
But they college kids, they're not hood dudes, even the
one who got dreads and braids and all that in college.
Speaker 2 (52:50):
Bro, you know what I'm saying. So, and yeah, I'm
several years older than him, because had to look that
up too, see how old he was. I knowe I
was older than him anyway.
Speaker 3 (52:58):
But I'm just saying, like, Bro, there was not one
time in the history of this culture, maybe before record
deals with Sugar Hills Records and nothing and and repers
are light and all that, maybe some the streets was
you know, really small at the time right there when
the Bronx and stuff like that. So yeah, maybe some
street people had something to do with it right right
there that moment. Once record labels got into hip hop
(53:22):
radio stations, magazines, the main hood dudes made the streets
that the streets never ran hip hop once hip hop
became a business.
Speaker 1 (53:30):
So yeah, you're right. It feels like some.
Speaker 2 (53:34):
Tagging in the in the segment right here, maybe you
need to learn something.
Speaker 1 (53:38):
Yeah, because you know what it's sort of like you say,
you know, it's the it's the rejection, right, so I
feel rejected. Let me turn on the camera. I didn't
learn the first time when I was calling my fans
and nerds and all of that. Now here I go again.
But let's rewind like one week ago a where you
(53:59):
were solicit versus saying that you get a free Benny Verse,
but you had to pay one hundred dollars even to
be in the running. And we know and he know,
like I know, you could put on all your jewelry.
That means you ain't got no bread. You don't see
certain artists doing that unless they need it, you know
(54:21):
what I'm saying, they needed for something. I don't know
what his death Jam situation is. I know he came
out before that album dropped, which I liked the album.
He said it was going to be like DM Mexan
ninety eight.
Speaker 4 (54:33):
Again, I don't know if you was locked up or
it was a blizzard in Buffalo at the time, but
when dmxan ninety eight drop, which we got an episode
for two albums, he.
Speaker 1 (54:48):
Was platinum quick in the same year Easy, there wasn't
anything like that on a death job, He's again tune.
Speaker 3 (54:57):
It's like you said, yah was a tornado X year
of nineteen ninety eight and hip hop was a tornado
only happened a couple of times in hip hop history.
So for one, you don't even want to put your
name next to something like that, because that's probably on
the top five introductory solo years for MC and rap history.
(55:20):
I mean, DMX, you gotta understand both of those albums,
they didn't say like one man each.
Speaker 2 (55:26):
We're talking about they're both.
Speaker 3 (55:27):
They were both multi platinum in the same I'm talking
about three four million type records, you know what I'm saying, right,
and so we're talking about that level. So that would
mean in today's streaming of albums, you know, being able
to have the stream like Drake or K that's.
Speaker 1 (55:44):
Not gonna happen. Also, let's let's just because it. What's
so weird about him making these types of videos without
any real context, Just say names if you mean something else,
don't general Yeah, but this is the same dude who
was kind of trying to like still like, hey, Drake,
(56:05):
are you doing And Drake was like, yo, don't release
that song we did right, because he talked about the
song he did with Drake so much that when it
finally came out, no one cared, but you were waiting
on it, Like he has to understand if you're gonna
call your fans nerves and I'm one of his fans
were also not stupid. So we saw you solicited a
(56:27):
verse saying is free, but people got to pay one
hundred dollars. So you're trying to see that bro. Oh yeah,
it was straight up commercial, Like yo, it's the butcher,
you know, like, yo, you want to do like a song,
you want a verse? Whatever, give it? He said, free
versus and then he kind of went on talking more
(56:51):
and he was like, you know, like like pay one
hundred dollars and I'm thinking, like everybody not getting it,
like a hundred people, Like I think I got a hundred.
You're gonna give one hundred different verses or you're gonna
give everybody the same verse. What you're doing, man, if
you can't even edit that video to not say free
(57:12):
at one point, then say one hundred dollars, but then
call Do's nerds. Now, let me just say this because
I think I kind of think I know what he's
talking about, but they always kind of generalize. I think
he's just talking about and it could be because they're
not talking about him and his music all Griselda in general,
(57:34):
but he's talking about the consonos and not directly right,
like who's running the game as far as having a
voice in hip hop media? Right? The other guy? You know, academics, Right,
A lot of them feel like these guys are popular
(57:54):
and they talk about all these other records, but we
got the dope stuff, you know, we can't and get
the Grammy because of the nerds and only nerds. Remember
this is also toned. I don't know if you saw this,
but this was at least one of those guys that
was talking about the clips not being believable when they
were like burning hot, like in July when his stuff
(58:16):
was dropping and it was like ridiculous. And I don't
want to blame it on Buffalo because I'm from Brooklyn,
New York, but I'm like, yo, this must be some
thirty eight special. Step up. Somebody step up and show
me something different. At least conways quiet. I'll say that much.
He's quiet, he doing his thing, but it just felt
(58:37):
weird to see him do this.
Speaker 3 (58:40):
Some of these guys, some of these guys need to
get back to understanding what mystique mean. When we don't
get too much, you know what I'm saying, you always
come out better. And I know everybody not gonna be
a you know somebody like like certain legends who don't
do social media all or only will update ig or
some of the business venture somebody that some of them
(59:01):
gonna do something like that.
Speaker 2 (59:02):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:03):
They're gonna have certain people who do interact with people.
You know what I'm saying, you know, put it off
and on social media, but you can't let them see
your sweat, man, you know what I'm saying, because I
think that when you lose your mistique, some of your
songs and music start sounding different to people's ears.
Speaker 2 (59:21):
You know what I'm saying.
Speaker 3 (59:22):
It's like because they start having this vision of you
acting a certain way, you know, on social media and
stuff like that. You know, and you know it happened
to Kanye and several other people like you know, certain
people still rock with thet get me wrong, but it'll
be certain people kind of like you start turning them off,
you know what I'm saying, because hey man, you know,
just make your music man, do.
Speaker 1 (59:39):
Your thing right. And look, I do get the frustration.
Yeah at the Hartists because I'm a fan. So I've
listened to everything dropped, including you know, summertime Butch two.
I like a lot. I played a lot during the summer.
Speaker 2 (59:57):
I just posted a joint rick again on the page from.
Speaker 1 (01:00:00):
Uh Crazy with him in thirty eight special.
Speaker 3 (01:00:07):
But but you know what to these guys, you know,
these guys, you know, all mcs have to be able
to you know, I know every day with most most
celels and whatever feel get on social media somebody telling
them how great they are and how amazing they are
all day every day. So some of the little hate
(01:00:28):
here and now it's never gonna it's never gonna overshadow
the love. But some of them only pay attention only
and not somebody saying something that they didn't like. If
it's an honest critique, you didn't like the honest critique,
then you then you you you whined about something you know,
or even if it's hate for every somebody, every you
know what I'm saying, sending somebody's you know, hitting sins
(01:00:50):
hate on you.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
A thousands of people just told you he was amazing. Right,
that's the end of these guys. You know what I'm saying.
So nobody should be so upset all the time. You know,
you waste. I'm convinient could be in a studio, bro.
Speaker 1 (01:01:02):
Yeah, it's some of it also, like it's just old
school industry politics. It could be walls he's running into
trying to get ahead, you know, here and there, trying
to get a spot here and there. And it could
be actual industry nerds.
Speaker 3 (01:01:20):
All you doing your hip hop, all you're doing your
Jim Jones. You know, you know the algorithm.
Speaker 4 (01:01:26):
You know you go do that.
Speaker 2 (01:01:27):
You know, you start treading a little bit, you know
what I'm saying. So it's all what's happening. It's probably marketing.
Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
Too, right, But Jim Jones would never He's never squashed
his fans. He'll just say something out he says something
crazy like you know, I'm better than big and blah
blah blah. But he'll never be like only nerds and
listening now he Yeah, that's that's crazy right, like, yo,
stop talking about your fans, dog like, especially when those
(01:01:56):
same nerds took a Hip Hop d X articles that
quoted him saying he was a nerd. It's like, well,
I guess it takes someone to know one, right, that's
like the nerd shit, So.
Speaker 2 (01:02:10):
That's right, Yeah, that's wow.
Speaker 1 (01:02:15):
But MF. Doom never did that. So again, y'all show
your appreciation for Doom. Talk about him in the comments section.
Give us your top three favorite albums, quotes from some
of his songs that was kind of crazy to you,
even favorite songs, you know, leave that in a comment
section below. Check out the Homie Tony's podcast, Into the
(01:02:38):
Dome podcast right here on YouTube. Subscribe got a number
of episodes. Also, visit his website where he writes tonydedome
dot com not just hip hop articles, but articles about
music because we're music fans. And you can follow him
on Twitter where he'd be arguing with some of y'all
(01:03:00):
you know what I'm saying, some of you, I'll be
saying some crazy saying some crazy shit, but nevertheless, you know,
it's all for the love of hip hop, and that's
why we do these episodes. So go out and support
real hip hop, peace, peace,
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