What an awesome Halloween, My co-host is Clare O'Donohue, the host of the video podcast "The History of Murder", it's one of the best out there. The productiona and story telling is as good as it can get. They talk and re-enact murders from a long time ago, many of which have been forgotten. Definately check it out at https://thehistoryofmurder.com/ Also check clare out at http://www.clareodonohue.com/ She has written some mystery books you want to read. We also talked:
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This is Halloween - Danny Elfman
One more night - Maroon 5
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Birthday - The Beatles
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Happy trails - Roys Rogers & Dale Evans
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Awful beautiful life - Darryl Worley
I want candy - Bow Wow Wow
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Happy Halloween. Entertainment from 2012. Martin Luther started Protestant Reformation, Nevada became 36th state, Pope John Paul II appologized for the way the Catholic Church treated Galileo. Todays birthdays - Dale Evans, Michael Landon, John Candy, Rob Schneider, Darryl Worley, Annabella Lwin, Adam Horovitz, Vanilla Ice, Linn Berggren. Sean Connery died.
Intro - God did good - Dianna Corcoran https://www.diannacorcoran.com/
This is Halloween - Danny Elfman
One more night - Maroon 5
We are never ever getting back together - Taylor Swift
Birthday - The Beatles
Birthdays - In da club - 50 Cent http://50cent.com/
Happy trails - Roys Rogers & Dale Evans
Bonanza TV theme
Awful beautiful life - Darryl Worley
I want candy - Bow Wow Wow
Ice Ice Baby - Vanilla Ice
All that she wants - Ace of Bass
Exit - Never have I ever - Elyse Saunders https://www.elysesaunders.com/
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Speaker 1 (00:19):
Well, hi everyone, I am Jeff and thanks for joining
us on History and Factory is about today? Yeah, I
know what did day is? But we have something awesome
for you today. We have just a total awesome co host,
one of the best writers out there, and she's got
this really incredible video podcast that we're going to tell
you about. So we're not gonna just scare you with
a simple boo that's for kids. We're gonna add some
little intrigue to you today. So Claire, why don't you
(00:41):
gon to introduce youself?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Sure, my name is Claire o'donahue and I'm the host
of the History of Murder podcast. I'm also a true
crime TV producer and a mystery writer, so all things
murder pretty much, and the History of Murder podcast is
sort of a combination. Well, we like to say we
(01:04):
put crimes in context. We tell you about the crime,
but we tell you about the events that were happening
that impacted the crime as well.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, you've always been into books, right, always. Yeah, So
started off with a writer and then you got into
we'll talk about it later. You had really good books
out there, so then you went into TV and that's
kind of what your forte was it's true grime on that.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes. Yes, most of the stuff that I've worked on
in TV is lots of lots sort of some famous
ones like Forensic Files and the first forty eight and
lots and lots of of different types of true crime
shows that I've worked on, and I've interviewed a lot
of different people in that world as a result.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Cool. Have you always been a Halloween fan?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I love Halloween. You know, it's originally an Irish holiday
and my parents are from Ireland, so it is something
that's sort of in the.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
DNA, I guess, so, well, we might as well start celebrating.
Today is Halloween.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm the one shot red hair.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, happy Halloween, are you goblins and ghosts out there?
Halloween it means Hallows Evening. That's the night before Hallow's
Day and that's where all the Catholic Saints are honored. Now,
by the late eighteen hundreds, like Claire said, kids in
Scotland and Ireland, they would dress as costumes and go
door to door and get food. Then in trick or treating,
and that's starting Canada in nineteen twenty seven. So by
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the nineteen thirties, trick or treating. It was all across
Canada and the United States. So today, according to Statistics,
forty eight percent of you will wear a costume, forty
six percent of you, yeah, you're gonna carve a pumpkin,
sixteen percent of you're gonna dress up your dog, and
you're gonna ptend like you weren't home. Where do you
fall in on those Claire.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh, I I it's been a while since I won't
a costume, I'll admit that. But what I like to
do is get lots of Halloween candy and enjoy opening
the door to many many, hopefully many many trick or
treaters that will come by, and then getting to eat
the left over candy if there is any.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I had to go out again. I kind of
ate my Halloween candy. I bought it a little too
early this year. Some more. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I used to live in Sleepy Hollow, New York, which
is famous, of course for the legend of Sleepy Hollow,
and I think they used to bust kids in because
I'd go through thirteen or fourteen bags of candy every year,
and eventually I would be in that twenty one percent
and I have to turn off the lights because we
would run out of.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Candy, right, and that the whole thing. You hope they
realize that once the fourth front pork lights out, kids,
you're done, you know, don't go up there anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You're done. Yeah, you're done.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And usually by that time it's the older kids, because
the younger kids come early so they can buy their
own candy.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And it looks like it's gonna be a nice weather
all across the nation, so all the kids should be
able to have a pretty good Halloween this year.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Good, good, Absolutely, it's a really lovely if it's a
nice day. It is. Actually, I do remember that as
a kid, A lovely fun experience.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, it's just a fun day. Don't read too much
into just enjoy the day. It's nothing wrong with that, absolutely,
all right, this is going on entertainment. In October thirty first,
let's goat your twenty twelve, the number one album was
Babble by Month for and Sons Room five had the
number one song with one More Night Across.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
My Heart and I Hope You Die.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I'll Only Stayed with You Monting a million times Only.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Stay Taylor Swift. She had the number countries on with
we are never ever ever getting back together.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
On getting together, to.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Your friends, to.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Getting back together.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
The number one book was The Panther by Nelson de Mill.
You read that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
One, No, I haven't aught to look for it.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The top movie was wreck itt Ralph. Now Ralph, he
is tired of being a bad guy. He wants to
be the hero of a video game. Well, he accidentally
brings in an enemy that probably takes out the entire arcade.
So Ralph is voiced by John c Riley. Then you've
got Sarah Silverman and Jacqueline Brayer in there. Okay, so
after you started your career, how'd you end up in
(05:53):
the TV?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Actually? I got a job on a show called Simply
Quilts on HGTV because I make quilts and the show
was looking for people who could speak the language as
all hobbies have a particular kind of set of words
and phrases, and could write. So I fit perfectly into that.
(06:16):
And I worked on that show for four years on
and off, and then just kept going. So worked in
TV in different fields, and little by little made my
way from that kind of television to more documentary and
true crime.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's kind of hard to say, is there any true
crime that really haunts you, since we're talking about Halloween
that even to this day is just kind of represents evil.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh gosh, yeah, I think, you know. I think the
hardest interviews I've done are with family members of victims,
because it doesn't matter if the murder happened, you know,
a year ago or twenty years ago. Family members are
haunted by it. They hold the grief very strang wrongly obviously,
(07:02):
they hold the thoughts of what their loved one must
have must have been thinking in the final few moments.
So those are hard and uh and I didn an
interview one time with a killer in Montana who the
guards told me that they would stop the interview if
he tried to kill me, which I was very grateful for,
(07:26):
and I was like, yeah, you should totally do that.
If he tries to kill me, you should you should stop.
He was very nice though, he actually was extremely nice
to me, So there you go. Uh, but I remember
that moment of just I've interviewed a lot of killers.
That was the only time that anyone's ever suggested somebody
might do me harm.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That one, Yeah, I went back to my hotel that
night and went, Wow, that was weird.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's true. You might have a really good subject to
because everybody all these big murder cases on TV and
everyone that neverbody watches it, and you know, they're intrigued
by it, and then it comes out, Okay, it's over.
People forget about. There's victims and families and members on
both sides. It is not over for them.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's never over for them. It's never over for the
families of the victim. It's never over for the families
of the killer. I've interviewed those as well, and they live,
you know, with a different kind of haunting, right the families.
A mother of a woman who was murdered. I remember
her saying to me that she felt the most sorry
(08:31):
for the mother of the killer, because that woman would
have to live with what her son had done, and
at least she could live with the memories of her daughter.
It's it just it's a it's a ripple effect that goes,
you know, to both families, to the communities, to everyone
who knew both people involved. It really yeah, it. Having
(08:56):
had an up close and personal seat to it for
a number of years, you really see it. You really
see it for what it really is and not not
just the sort of and I'm as guilty of this
as anyone, the sort of entertainment of it, but you
see the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I was just going to ask that that's a
fine line you have to walk so you're not exploiting them,
but yet you're getting their story across. You really have to.
It's kind of a fine line there.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's a very fine line. And believe me, I have
asked people why are they doing it? And a lot
of times what I find from family members is what
they say is when you go to court, you have
to sit there quietly while the defense attorney drags down
your family member or friend because they're trying to get
(09:45):
their client off right and you can't say anything. That
is how the justice system works. And being on television
is a chance for them to write the ship and
to talk about this person that they love in a
full way, and maybe in some cases it also is
(10:05):
a sense of warning to someone who might be in
a similar situation to their loved one that they could
potentially hey, you know, these are the red flags that
were ignored. Hopefully you won't ignore them. So we try
to do right by people. We try to be respectful
of people, and I've been lucky. I think most of
(10:29):
the stuff that I've worked on does do that. I
don't think everyone does that. And I think in the
podcast we also even though these are cases that happened
one hundred, two hundred, three hundred years ago, there are
still people, there's still families, They everybody might be dead,
but it was still a real person and we try
to be respectful of them and what happened in that
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situation as well.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So what have you found most that most of the
murders are committed by great or lust?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know, I think it's probably split fifty to fifty,
and I think those are two of the biggest things.
I think here's the number one reason I think murders
are committed entitlement. I really do think that a lot
of killers feel entitled to the love, the money, the position,
the whatever, and they and it's weirdly not as personal.
(11:22):
It's you're standing in the way of my having custody
of the kids, or my owning the business full time,
or quiet in the neighborhood, or my particular point of
view being heard or whatever it is. You're standing in
the way of it. So I'm going to kill you.
But I really think it's more entitlement than anything else.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I hadn't looked at that. I was simple like
greedor less. But I think you nail it on the
head right there. I think entitlement. You're probably right. That
sounds right. All right, Let's see what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's scary but true.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
What happened in October the thirty first, In fifteen seventeen,
Martin Luther he started the Protestant Reformation. His ninety five
thesises is what was wrong with the Catholic Church. He
ended up sending it to the Archbishop of Brandenburg in Germany. Now,
Luther had been a priest and amongk for about ten
years when he did this. Now there's a story about
him nayling the thesis is to the door of a church.
(12:15):
And now that didn't happen. It's just get talking. According
to Luther, he said that basically he just wanted to
start a discussion. Well, his ninety five thesis they made
it all the way to the pope, and when the
Pope burnt about it, yep, Luther was immediately excommunicated and
had to run for his life. But their Protestant Reformation,
ye split year and a half. The northern half kind
(12:36):
of went to be the Protestants and the southern half
mainly went to be State Catholic. And that's general, it's
not just one hundred percent. That's kind of what happened
eighteen forty six. The Donner Party, we've all heard about
them today. They realized that they were stuck. They could
not go over the Sierra Nevadam mountains and they couldn't
go back, so they had just set up a camp
for the winner. So you kind of heard about some
(12:57):
stories that most people don't hear about the Donner Party, right.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah. There were two Indian guides who were named Lewis
and Salvador. They were shot and cannibalized around January eighth
of eighteen forty seven. It's also possible that Tamsen Donner
was murdered in March of eighteen forty seven, but we
don't know that for sure. So, yeah, there was murders.
(13:21):
They didn't just eat people that had died, they killed
people too.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
That dirty sigh right there.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, Happy birthday Nevada today. In eighteen sixty four, Nevada
became the twenty sixth state the Spanish named it Nevada
for the snow covered mountain ranges. Even though most of
the state is desert. Eighty six percent of Nevada is uninhabited,
but where people do live it is kind of cool.
The capitalist Carson City. The highest point is Boundary Peak
(14:10):
at thirteen and forty seven feet, and I'm not going
to climb it, so I'll just take your word for it.
The Nevada state bird is the mountain blue jay, and
the fish appropriate for today is the cutthroat trout. The
flower is sagebrus the reptile desert tortoise the mammal desert
big horned sheep. Some people who were born in Nevada
include tennis player Andre Agassy, baseball's Bryce Harper, actress Don Wells,
(14:33):
race car drivers Kurt and Kyle Busch, and and excuse me,
Dan Reynolds, the lead singer of Imagined Dragons.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Right, then you know what their nickname is. Nope, they
are the Silver State.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh is that right?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, at the time, Nevada has actually had more silver
come out of than anyplace else in the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh yeah, and now they keep all the silver when
people go there to gamble.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Exactly except now they've brought in a lot of gold too.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, and and and probably bitcoin.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That's right, that'd be kind of interesting to hear. But
they bet they are gambling that when you think.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I would assume so I don't know anything about bitcoin,
but I would assume that people do gamble.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It all right. Well, in nineteen thirty and the first
paved highway that ran coast to coast across the United
States opened up. It's called the Lincoln Highway. So you're
in Illinois, so probably a Lincoln fan, huh?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I love I ram Lincoln. Yes, he was a defense
attorney in multiple murder trials, by the way, and we
have a Lincoln Highway here as well. I don't know
if it's the same, if it's like a same road
that goes all the way through, or if it's just
another road that's called the Lincoln Highway.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Not sure it might have been. It might've been like
Route sixty six once the Interstate came through. You know,
it kind of like it's still there, but it's not
the They don't really right about it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, it's disconnected. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, this one was three three and eighty nine miles long.
I went from Times Square, New York City all the
way to San Francisco. Now, it wasn't like the interstate,
so I know that's what people were thinking about. No,
it was just this little two lane ira and it meandered,
it didn't. It just went from town to town to town.
It's not like he had overpasses or anything like that. Now,
World War One in nineteen seventeen, it was last time
(16:16):
in the world history a cavalry charge was successful. Now
was in Palestine at the Battle of Beersheba, the Australian Calvity,
and they were able to pull it off. If you're
not sure what the cavalry is, that means they were
all on horses. So they were charging machine guns on horses.
So that's why it was the last time it has
ever been able to do successfully. Nineteen twenty three at
Marble Bay in Australia. Now, their temperature hit one hundred
(16:38):
degrees today. Now that temperature, it would hit one hundred
degrees for the next one hundred and sixty days straight,
you know, for a little come my gosh. So if
you want a little comparison, Phoenix just set their record
a couple of years ago. They went one hundred and
thirteen days straight where it hit a hundred, so two
hundred and sixty. You ever do any international in your
international stories on your murder mysteries.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's our hope. I love to travel. My parents are
from Ireland. I've lived in Ireland and England. I have
family all over the world, so I have free places
to stay. And yeah, absolutely would love to do stories
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because there's some really fun stories all over the world
and we would love to tell them. So fingers crossed
we get a chance to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Cool. Nineteen eighty three, Ron Grant he became the first
person to run all the way around Australia. That means
on the actor. Took him two hundred and seventeen days
and he ran eight three hundred and sixteen miles. He
went from Brisbane to Brisbane basically. So this guy, I
don't know how he pulled it off. He actually had
to run thirty nine miles a day in order to
do that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh my god, I don't have the idea of driving
all around Australia sounds exhaust So.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Wow, I can't in mind driving eight thousand miles and
that would be hard and I'm going to do it. Yeah,
To be honest with you, I don't even want to
be in a plane for with that take about seven
eight hours. I probably picked about fifteen hours.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, yeah, to go to fly from Yeah, that's a
it's a big place in Australia.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It won't be a plane that long. Nineteen eighty four,
the Prime Minister of India name was India Gandhi. She
was assassinated by her two bodyguards. They killed her while
she was walking through the garden at the Prime Minister's
residence and while she was being interviewed for a documentary
on Station in Ireland. Now they shot her over thirty times. Now,
they didn't run or anything. They just stayed there until
the police got there. Obviously they were executed. Nineteen ninety two,
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Pope John Paul the second he had to take one
for the team. That Pope. He was there from the
time it was time for the Catholic Church to come clean.
He had to publicly announce to the world that the
Catholic Church was wrong. They should not have persecuted astronomer
Galileo as badly as they did. So it took three
hundred and fifty nine years, but Pope John Paul, he
admitted the Galileo was correct. There does revolve around the sun.
(18:59):
And yeah, he shouldn't have been tortured and forced to
live the late last eight years of his life under
house arrest.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm sure that's some great comfort to his family. Have
you heard or seen the movie Soulsurfer? Souls Surfer Today.
In twenty thirteen, thirteen year old Bethany Hamilton had her
arm bitten off by a shark while she was surfing
in Hawaii. I've never surfed, and that doesn't make me
want to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
No, that's not really a recruiting poster kind of story.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And in twenty eighteen, the largest statue in the world
was unveiled, the Statue of Unity in Gujarat, India. It
stands five hundred and ninety seven feet tall and it
is of Indian independence leader Sadhar Ptal. I think that's
twice the height of the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Oh that's some big statue it is.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
See, and I gave you the short version. If I
didn't give you the Indian name to read that was
a hard one.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh, so how'd you get it? How'd you switch you
over from your books to the History of Murder the podcast?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yes, what about the History of Murder podcast?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, I was just letting what brought that one on?
You've been writing your not Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Actually I had found out that someone who came over
on the Mayflower had killed his neighbor ten years after
he arrived in Plymouth, Massachusetts. And I like to joke,
it's the first Pilgrim on Pilgrim violence that I'd ever
heard of. And it just made me, like, I don't
(20:33):
know why, obsessed with the idea of finding other connections
between history and murder. And so I began to just
compile a list which is now at about fourteen hundred
cases where I can connect crime to the events that
were happening around it. And I didn't know really what
(20:53):
to do with it. I because I do write books,
I thought, Okay, well, I'll write a book about it,
you know, but it was so many cases that that
was impossible, and a friend suggested doing a podcast. I
didn't know anything about podcasts. I hooked up with my cousin,
Margaret Smith, and she does all the visuals for our
(21:14):
YouTube channel, and we were like, neither one of us
knows anything about a podcast, so that we seemed perfect partners.
So we just decided we would I would do the words,
she would do the pictures, and we would figure it
out together, which were only I don't know how many episodes,
only maybe half a dozen episodes in and hopefully we're
(21:36):
figuring it out. But yeah, it really was sort of
an organic thing of I'm not done writing books. I'll
continue to write books, but I really wanted to tell
these stories and I didn't nowhere else to tell them
that I could that I could do them justice, you know,
because I wouldn't be able to tell all of them
(21:58):
in a book. They were too many, and I just
this seemed like the perfect place to go.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And I'm definitely going to have you guys go check
this out. Well, I mean, we'll keep talking about it,
but if you're not knowing what you guys are doing,
the quality of these are just incredible. It looks basically
like a dateline TV episode almost.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, thank you, Yeah, I mean, I think you know,
it helps that I've that I've spent almost twenty five
years in television. It helps that I and I bring that,
you know, I just assume that's how we should do it.
I mean, there's just two of us working on the content,
by the way, and then we have an editor who
puts it together. But like it's a lot for two people,
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but we bring that TV sensibility to it, and Margaret
her profession is a librarian, so she brings a lot
of the research and the meticulousness of it to that.
So together we kind of figure it out. And what
we really want to do is just bring it everything
to life, you know, and put you there, put you
(22:58):
in that space. And so sometimes our stories are you know,
are intimate and personal family members killing each other. Sometimes
they're bigger, they're things that change the world we live in.
And sometimes they're famous stories, but we'd look for a
twist on them. And sometimes they're stories that have been
(23:21):
completely forgotten, have just been buried in the pages of history,
and we get a chance by interviewing historians to dig
them out again. And we also use actors to read
some of the court documents or interviews or whatever, so
that you can hear the voices of the people who
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were involved. And it's luckily we have some friends who
are in fact professional actors, and sometimes we just use friends.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So fourteen hundred stories, is it just a gut feeling.
Is there something that intrigues you that makes it I mean,
how do you figure out which Okay, we're going to
do this one this week?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we really sit down and kind
of figure out, Okay, if we told this story, what
is it about this story that stands out from say,
guy kills his girlfriend story? Like, unfortunately, there are many,
many of those, So what is it about this particular
one that we want to tell? And if we can
(24:22):
see something beyond just the case itself, then we expand
on that. One of the early stories we did is
in fact about a guy who killed his girlfriend, but
it happened at a time when cars were coming into
rural areas of the United States, and so it was
(24:43):
changing the lives of people who lived in those rural areas,
and that directly impacted the crime itself, and so we
felt like, like, okay, that's a story we can tell.
And we get very, very attached because we physically go
to these locations. We go to the museums, we go
to the cemeteries, We spend a lot of our time
(25:05):
in cemeteries. We go and we take photographs of the graves,
and we both of us stand there and say, we're
going to tell your story. We're going to tell your story.
You're not going to be forgotten. So it feels very
very personal for us by the time that we actually
finish it up, because we've walked the walk. You know,
this isn't something we just do from a Wikipedia search.
(25:28):
We we go out and make sure that we're telling
the real story.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah. I think that's probably why it's so good, because
it is personal.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, it is personal. Yeah. We we carry it like
you were saying earlier about the people I've interviewed, and
I do carry them with me. I carry these people
with me too. We we talk about them by their
first names. Now we know them very well, and hopefully
we bring that to the show.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You definitely do. I'm a guy. I can't stressed that
the listeners enough. Man, you guys are really going to
like this. Hey, should we talk some birthdays?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Absolutely? Dale Evans by the Song of Dale Evans. Dale
(26:28):
Evans wrote that song for her and her husband, Roy Rogers,
in nineteen fifty one. She was born in Uvalde, Texas.
In nineteen twelve, when she was fourteen, she eloped. They
had a son, but the guy abandoned her and the boy,
so at sixteen, Dale went to Memphis to try and
make it in the movie business, which God bless her.
She told the boy, told everyone the boy was her
(26:50):
brother and she was raising him. She got jobs playing
the piano, working in radio stations and had some local success.
She got married and divorced more than two more times,
and in nineteen forty seven she married Roy Rogers. In
the fifties, she starred with him on the Roy Rogers
TV Show and they made a bunch of movies together.
They had five kids. Roy died in nineteen ninety eight
(27:10):
and she died in two thousand and one from heart
failure at the age of eighty eight. And did you
know that in nineteen sixty nine, Roy Rogers stand in
a guy named Danelle Spade. Cooley suspected that his wife
had had an affair with Roy Rogers, and they argued
(27:31):
and Cooley killed her. He served eight years in prison
and was released on furlough to play at a benefit concert.
He was performing at that concert when he had a
heart attack and died. So there is no evidence, by
the way that the wife, Ellie May Cooley, had had
an affair with Roy Rogers. But I just thought I'd
mentioned it because here's the thing that I have found.
(27:52):
Everything is less than six degrees of separation from a
murder case.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Well exactly. I mean, whether Roy and Dale had anything
to do with it or not, they were instrumental. I
mean the guy, even though Roy didn't even probably know,
might not even known the girlfriend, she ended up getting
killed because the guy suspected him of it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, it's you know, she may have had a lovely
little chat with him or something. You know, who knows
he was obviously, as people who commit murder are not
really thinking on all, thinking anything through. So yeah, there's
no evidence that he had anything to do with her,
but there you go, it did happen. There was another
(28:34):
birthday today. Actor Michael Landon was born in Forest Hills,
New York, in nineteen thirty six. No known murders connected
to mister Landon. He is best known for playing his
work on TV, starting on Bonanza, where he played Little
Joe Cartwright, and then he was PA on Little House
on the Prairie and then Jonathan on Highway to Heaven.
(28:55):
He had two sons from his first wife, two sons
and three daughters from his second wife, and was married
to his third wife in eighteen. I'm sorry, I'm so
used to older stories. Nineteen eighty three, and he had
a son and a daughter. How many kids is that?
It's a bunch of kids. He died in nineteen ninety
one at only fifty four years old, from pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So do you remember TV Guide the thing?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Oh gosh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It just had it printed its last issue on September
twenty seventh, so you can this year. Yeah, just a
couple of weeks ago, and now you can. You can
still subscribe to TV Guide, but it's online and it
doesn't give like the TV listings. You know, that's why
you about TV Guide, and so it showed you what
was on TV. Now they yeah, now they just do
entertainment stories. But for you older ones who actually remember
(29:44):
TV Guide when people got it to their house, Michael Lannon,
he was on the cover second most if he was
on their twenty seven times. The person who was on
TV Guide the most, Lucille Ball. She was on the
cover thirty nine times.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Wow. Wow. Actually, and she had multiple series as well.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And actually her son when I think we were all
way too young, but when Desi and Lucy had their son,
he was such a big celebrity thing like that. He
was actually the little I think he's like nine or
ten months old. He was the first person ever be
on the cover of TV Guide.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They put the actual Desi Arnaz Junior.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, they put his bit in the baby Hip. He
was on the first cover of TV Guy aw all right.
Actor John Candy. He's born in Toronto, Canada, in nineteen fifty.
He first got known from the movie Stripes, then Plane
Strains and Automobiles, The Great Outdoors Uncle Buck. Johnny got
married nineteen seventy nine and they had two children. Now,
according to everybody who knew him, he tried and tried,
(30:44):
but John he just could not lose weight for anything.
Ended up dying from a heart attack in nineteen ninety
four at seventy forty three years old. Actor Rob Schnetter.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
John k seem like such a nice man.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah's all you hear about is he genuinely was a
really nice guy. He said that between scenes that people
would sit there and think that, you know, the stars
they go their their trailers and all that kind of stuff.
They'd look over and there John would be just sitting
there bsing with the guys on the crew producers. He
get kind of Hey, John, they got to work, man.
I guess this guy's a pretty good guy too. Actor,
(31:16):
comedian Rob Schneider. He's sixty two. He's born in San
Francisco in nineteen sixty three. Start out on Saturday Night
Live for four years. Get this, he has been besides Adam.
He is the only one who's been in every single
Adam Sandler movie.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh wow, Well, I guess they're good friends.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah. And his personal are his movies that he's been in,
those Deuced Bigelow, Male Jigglow movies, The Animal, Hot Chicks,
Bench Warmers. He actually has the best selling book out
right now. I think it has to do. It's kind
of a political book. I guess he'd say his take
on it anyway. And he is touring as a stand
up comedy act now. He had a daughter from his
first wife, married his third wife in twenty eleven and
(31:53):
they have two daughters.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Lord, please give me for my wont to kill me,
but she tried to save me first.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
You're going if I have to drag you a budget.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I love this crazy, tragic, sometimes almost magic, awful, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That's country. Singer Dale Worley he's sixty one. He's born
in Memphis, Tennessee, in nineteen sixty four. Some of his
big hits sorry I Miss my Friend. Have you forgotten? Awful?
Beautiful life? If something should happen now. He married his
second wife in two thousand and seven. He was so
happy about getting married. I'm pretty much garant. I'm guaranteeing
you're not going to figure out how he's celebrated his
(32:36):
second marriage.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Oh gosh, I don't know wrote a song.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That would you would have thought, But no, He's celebrated
by imposing nude for Playgirl magazine.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
He's fun.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
He can't.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Sign yes six, So.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's the perfect Halloween song. That's Annabel Lwin singing for
Bow Wow Wow. She was born in Rangoon, Burma in
nineteen sixty six. She's fifty nine years old today. When
the band Adam and the Ants broke up, the Ants
formed Bow Wow. They got thirteen year old Wow Annabel
to be their singer. Eventually she went solo, so the
guys replaced her and she didn't like that, so she
(33:28):
started Bow Wow Wow with Annabel. So there's two bands
with more or less the same name. Take your pick.
Do you want to hear the band or the singer, Jeff,
would you'd prefer the.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Singer, I prefer the singer than the band.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, I gotta say I would do Yeah, I'm all
in that. Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, why not smoky? Next
morning we.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Finished Charlie che Now as a Beastie Boy, he was
known as ad Rock. Now. He was born Adam Horowitz.
He's fifty nine too. He was born in Manhattan, New York.
Now Adam. He started out in the punk band called
Young and the Useless. Now they would open for the
Beastie Boys, and then in nineteen eighty two the Beasts
(34:29):
They had an opening so there they added ad Rock
to the band. After he joined, they quickly became very popular.
Sol there were fifty million records. But when their main guy,
David y or Adam Yach, when he died in twenty twelve, Yeah,
the rest of the Beasties they said not to replace him.
They decide, you know what, let's just go on do
our own things again. So yep, that was the end
of the Beastie Boys. Horbitz. He married actress I owned
(34:51):
Sky for seven years in the nineties, and he married
a second wife in two thousand and six, and they
have a son.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Of that booze cuculations. You playing like a poisonous mushroom
dead lead when not playing to Meloch, anything less than
the best is a fella.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
He love it, so'll leave it.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
You bet I can't wage you bet.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I get pulls out a kid, don't play. If there
was a problem, Jo she got the hook on DJ
was loss?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Were you a big Vanilla Ice fan?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
You know? I I I can't say that I'm a
huge Vanilla Ice fan, but I remember him and and
I enjoyed the Ice Ice Baby song when it was
out all back in the day.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, the name Robert van Winkel, that doesn't really sound
like a hardcore wrapper, so that's why he went Vanilla
Ice sounds a little more o g Now he's fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It wasn't he from like the suburbs or someplace.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, he grew up rich down there in Dallas, Texas.
He was born in nineteen sixty seven, so yeah, his
parents had money. He actually started out as a professional
motocross racer and then during the race he broke his
ankle and while he was recovering, he got into really
big into hip hop. So he quit motocross and went
into basically just being a rapper and singer.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Now that song and now he rehabs houses.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Right, Not only was Ice Size Baby, it was the
first hip hop song to go number one, but it
was not the first rap song. The first rap song
to go number one, and he guesses it was Blonde Blondie,
her song Rapture gets credit.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Really yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So the first rap song is from Blondie and the
first hip hop song is from Vanilla Ice. That probably, okay,
I probably get some of those rappers a little. They
don't like that history, do they.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, now he does rehab houses, like you said, But
he actually just opened up his own brewery down there
in Palm Beach, Florida. He just opened it up three
weeks ago. So you guys are in Palm Beach and
you wanted to go to a brewery. Yeah, he's got
one down.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
There, all right. I will check it out, and I well,
you don't need ice in your beer, but still, I
bet the beers are cold, you know, some of ice.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
He is cold.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
She's Jon.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
She she's Jon. Now, I'm not sure if this is
a sad story or not. See that was Lynn Bergerin.
She was the singer of Ace's Bass. She's fifty five.
She was born in Gottenburg, Sweden in nineteen seventy. Now
she for helped form Asa Basse in nineteen eighty seven.
(37:32):
Now they took their name from a Motorhead song called
Aesus Spades All that she wants the sign don't turn
around beautiful Life. Those are some Ace Bass song. Do
you remember them from the nineties, I absolutely do, yeah,
and those are all with Lynn saying. Now they sold
over fifty million records, so that makes them third all
time as the biggest selling Swedish artist. They're behind rock
Set and of course Abba down In two thousand and seven,
(37:55):
Lynn she just quit the band. So basically she just
dropped out of life. She didn't want to do with
anybody or anything. She became a reckless so she just
went and did her own thing and she didn't communicate
with anybody. The only person she really talks to or
communicates with is her sister, and she tells her sister
that she is having a great life and she is
perfectly happy. I guess great for Lynne, but I don't know.
(38:16):
It's just something about it sounds kind of sad, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
It does sound sort of sad, But I can imagine
that her experience was being sort of so many people
pulling at her and wanting something from her, and you know,
being surrounded constantly, not just by fans but by managers
and agents and record people. That the isolation is probably
(38:41):
just what she needs at the moment. She might not
always be that way, but I think that I can
understand wanting to just go all right, I don't want
anybody pulling at me right now.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, and hey, as long as she's happy, that's all
that matters. I mean, it's not like she's that goofy
or anything. Is just I just want to be left alone.
Good for you?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what, if she's in Sweden,
there's very few places on earth that are more beautiful,
so she can enjoy.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Some of that.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Now, you said that you are going to keep writing?
Are going to do? Guys? Check out her books? They're
really good, just like our podcast. But are you gonna
do any writing or like any more? That Kate Conway series.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah. That series is about a television producer who
solves murders. I've never solved a murder by the way,
But but yeah, I would love to write another Kate
Conway and and write, you know, just keep writing more
and more books. I have a series called The World
of Spies about a married couple who accidentally become spies,
(39:41):
and each book takes place in a different country, and
I sort of had to stop the series because of
the pandemic and I couldn't travel two different countries to write.
But I'm picking that back up again and hopefully going
to Japan to write the third book in that series.
So yeah, I what I love about fiction is that
(40:03):
you are literally making it up, and it's it's kind
of it's I feel a lot of pressure on the
history of murder to get it right, even though we
are talking about historical crimes and there isn't anybody here
to fact check me from the family, as it were.
The reality is, I don't want to be wrong about
(40:29):
what any of the things that we say, and I
don't want to I take it as if the crime
happened yesterday, and there's going to be lawyers who are
going to say, well, you can't say this or you
can't say that. But writing fiction means I don't have
to worry about any of that. You know, it's a
nice balance between the two of being able to just
go all right, you know, he does this or he
(40:50):
goes here. Like in fiction real life, it's the characters
that matter, it's the people that matter. So when I
write a book, I'm always focused on the people in
my stories and I and I think that's true for
the podcast as well. We're focused on the people of
(41:11):
that stories and what they were like and what happened
with them. And we try to tell you. We try
to create characters or pull from the people and talk
about specifics so that you follow the story of some
people throughout rather than just tell you from the outside.
We like to pull you in. That's why we use actors.
(41:32):
We'd like to pull you into the characters that were
there and what they went through. And so I guess
I'm learning I pull a little bit of my fiction
work in terms of telling the story as it you know,
in the same way, but being meticulous about the facts.
(41:54):
And then when I'm writing fiction, I'm I'm not as
worried about the facts, but I am concerned that whatever
world I set up, I stay true to it. So
there's a fact, there's facts in it. In that whatever
I create, I have to be true to it.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Is that why you always have to travel before you
even though it's fiction. Instead you can just make it up,
you still have to go there to see it in
yourself well.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
One hundred percent, because you know, people get stuff wrong,
and I don't want to get I don't want to
get it wrong. I want to I want to tell
you what it sounds like and smells like and feels
like to walk that street. Also, I like to travel,
So maybe I'm using the books as an excuse, but
(42:40):
but I think it's really important. And there are stories
in my books that came from real life experiences that
I had that I would never have written about if
I hadn't experienced them. Silly things, but still you know
just how long it took to get someplace, or what
some meal tasted like. And I think having experienced it myself,
(43:02):
I can write about it more fully nothink.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
That's I think that's why they're so good. I mean,
thank you you could have. I mean, I'm sure a
lot of the writers out there and they just kind
of man, I'm not going to go over and see
what Fargo, North Dakota actually looks like. I'm just gonna
have them traveling through where you'll actually go.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Oh, you should go, and that that that is also
the reason that we go for the history of murder.
We go because if you just if you just look
everything up on the web, you you will get stuff wrong.
There is something about being in the location and seeing
it for yourself that you can go, wow, this really
is isolated, you know, or wow this you know? This
(43:43):
is I see the splendor of this place. And for
a fiction writer, absolutely it just makes such a difference.
You can bring a richness to it that you cannot do.
It's kind I always say, like, it's kind of like
if I wrote a novel about hockey. I've been to
a couple of hockey games. I don't know enough about
(44:06):
it to write fully. For me to write a novel
about hockey, I would want to play. Not professionally, so
don't don't anybody out there offer me a contract, but
you know I would want I would want to be
able to say what it feels like, because otherwise I'm
probably going to get stuff wrong.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Exactly so, and we're going to put links and make
it easy for you all to actually find her books
and definitely good to the podcast. You're going to love
both of them. Well, thank you very much for coming
on here, Claire. You've been awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's been
really fun and educational to learn all the stuff that happened.
And the happy Halloween to everybody out there.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Exactly. Remember she's got eighteen bags of candy, so you know,
probably get there before she runs out.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah. I don't live in sleepy Hollow anymore, so I
don't buy as much candy, but I will run out
and when I do, or I will close the door
and just eat the leftovers. I haven't decided yet.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Alrighty, We're gonna end with our quote of the day.
It comes from the first James Bond actor, Sean Connery.
He died to day in twenty twenty at ninety years old.
Sean said, love may not make the world go round,
but it makes the ride worthwhile. You guys all have
yourselves an awesome day, and thank you for listening. Don't
forget to follow us, and definitely look on the show's
description today so you figure out where how you can
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get onto our books and definitely the podcast. All right,
our Country Underground Radio artist of the day. It comes
from Susiel player in Manitoba, Canada. She knows here Elsie
sunders song. Never have I ever you guys have an
awesome day and we'll talk tomorrow.
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Her name is Jong for the mom shot.
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never have I ever had a gold church with a
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on my shoulder.
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Down the bounce so hard.
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I never have a
Well, hi everyone, I am Jeff and thanks for joining
us on History and Factory is about today? Yeah, I
know what did day is? But we have something awesome
for you today. We have just a total awesome co host,
one of the best writers out there, and she's got
this really incredible video podcast that we're going to tell
you about. So we're not gonna just scare you with
a simple boo that's for kids. We're gonna add some
little intrigue to you today. So Claire, why don't you
(00:41):
gon to introduce youself?
Speaker 2 (00:42):
Sure, my name is Claire o'donahue and I'm the host
of the History of Murder podcast. I'm also a true
crime TV producer and a mystery writer, so all things
murder pretty much, and the History of Murder podcast is
sort of a combination. Well, we like to say we
(01:04):
put crimes in context. We tell you about the crime,
but we tell you about the events that were happening
that impacted the crime as well.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
Well, you've always been into books, right, always. Yeah, So
started off with a writer and then you got into
we'll talk about it later. You had really good books
out there, so then you went into TV and that's
kind of what your forte was it's true grime on that.
Speaker 2 (01:24):
Yes. Yes, most of the stuff that I've worked on
in TV is lots of lots sort of some famous
ones like Forensic Files and the first forty eight and
lots and lots of of different types of true crime
shows that I've worked on, and I've interviewed a lot
of different people in that world as a result.
Speaker 1 (01:45):
Cool. Have you always been a Halloween fan?
Speaker 2 (01:48):
I love Halloween. You know, it's originally an Irish holiday
and my parents are from Ireland, so it is something
that's sort of in the.
Speaker 1 (01:58):
DNA, I guess, so, well, we might as well start celebrating.
Today is Halloween.
Speaker 3 (02:05):
I'm the one shot red hair.
Speaker 1 (02:23):
Well, happy Halloween, are you goblins and ghosts out there?
Halloween it means Hallows Evening. That's the night before Hallow's
Day and that's where all the Catholic Saints are honored. Now,
by the late eighteen hundreds, like Claire said, kids in
Scotland and Ireland, they would dress as costumes and go
door to door and get food. Then in trick or treating,
and that's starting Canada in nineteen twenty seven. So by
(02:44):
the nineteen thirties, trick or treating. It was all across
Canada and the United States. So today, according to Statistics,
forty eight percent of you will wear a costume, forty
six percent of you, yeah, you're gonna carve a pumpkin,
sixteen percent of you're gonna dress up your dog, and
you're gonna ptend like you weren't home. Where do you
fall in on those Claire.
Speaker 2 (03:04):
Oh, I I it's been a while since I won't
a costume, I'll admit that. But what I like to
do is get lots of Halloween candy and enjoy opening
the door to many many, hopefully many many trick or
treaters that will come by, and then getting to eat
the left over candy if there is any.
Speaker 1 (03:23):
Yeah, I had to go out again. I kind of
ate my Halloween candy. I bought it a little too
early this year. Some more. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
I used to live in Sleepy Hollow, New York, which
is famous, of course for the legend of Sleepy Hollow,
and I think they used to bust kids in because
I'd go through thirteen or fourteen bags of candy every year,
and eventually I would be in that twenty one percent
and I have to turn off the lights because we
would run out of.
Speaker 1 (03:50):
Candy, right, and that the whole thing. You hope they
realize that once the fourth front pork lights out, kids,
you're done, you know, don't go up there anymore.
Speaker 2 (03:58):
You're done. Yeah, you're done.
Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (04:01):
And usually by that time it's the older kids, because
the younger kids come early so they can buy their
own candy.
Speaker 1 (04:07):
And it looks like it's gonna be a nice weather
all across the nation, so all the kids should be
able to have a pretty good Halloween this year.
Speaker 2 (04:11):
Good, good, Absolutely, it's a really lovely if it's a
nice day. It is. Actually, I do remember that as
a kid, A lovely fun experience.
Speaker 1 (04:21):
Yeah, it's just a fun day. Don't read too much
into just enjoy the day. It's nothing wrong with that, absolutely,
all right, this is going on entertainment. In October thirty first,
let's goat your twenty twelve, the number one album was
Babble by Month for and Sons Room five had the
number one song with one More Night Across.
Speaker 2 (04:38):
My Heart and I Hope You Die.
Speaker 4 (04:43):
I'll Only Stayed with You Monting a million times Only.
Speaker 1 (04:54):
Stay Taylor Swift. She had the number countries on with
we are never ever ever getting back together.
Speaker 5 (05:03):
On getting together, to.
Speaker 6 (05:15):
Your friends, to.
Speaker 2 (05:24):
Getting back together.
Speaker 1 (05:26):
The number one book was The Panther by Nelson de Mill.
You read that.
Speaker 2 (05:29):
One, No, I haven't aught to look for it.
Speaker 1 (05:32):
The top movie was wreck itt Ralph. Now Ralph, he
is tired of being a bad guy. He wants to
be the hero of a video game. Well, he accidentally
brings in an enemy that probably takes out the entire arcade.
So Ralph is voiced by John c Riley. Then you've
got Sarah Silverman and Jacqueline Brayer in there. Okay, so
after you started your career, how'd you end up in
(05:53):
the TV?
Speaker 2 (05:55):
Actually? I got a job on a show called Simply
Quilts on HGTV because I make quilts and the show
was looking for people who could speak the language as
all hobbies have a particular kind of set of words
and phrases, and could write. So I fit perfectly into that.
(06:16):
And I worked on that show for four years on
and off, and then just kept going. So worked in
TV in different fields, and little by little made my
way from that kind of television to more documentary and
true crime.
Speaker 1 (06:33):
It's kind of hard to say, is there any true
crime that really haunts you, since we're talking about Halloween
that even to this day is just kind of represents evil.
Speaker 2 (06:41):
Oh gosh, yeah, I think, you know. I think the
hardest interviews I've done are with family members of victims,
because it doesn't matter if the murder happened, you know,
a year ago or twenty years ago. Family members are
haunted by it. They hold the grief very strang wrongly obviously,
(07:02):
they hold the thoughts of what their loved one must
have must have been thinking in the final few moments.
So those are hard and uh and I didn an
interview one time with a killer in Montana who the
guards told me that they would stop the interview if
he tried to kill me, which I was very grateful for,
(07:26):
and I was like, yeah, you should totally do that.
If he tries to kill me, you should you should stop.
He was very nice though, he actually was extremely nice
to me, So there you go. Uh, but I remember
that moment of just I've interviewed a lot of killers.
That was the only time that anyone's ever suggested somebody
might do me harm.
Speaker 4 (07:47):
But.
Speaker 2 (07:49):
That one, Yeah, I went back to my hotel that
night and went, Wow, that was weird.
Speaker 1 (07:56):
That's true. You might have a really good subject to
because everybody all these big murder cases on TV and
everyone that neverbody watches it, and you know, they're intrigued
by it, and then it comes out, Okay, it's over.
People forget about. There's victims and families and members on
both sides. It is not over for them.
Speaker 2 (08:10):
It's never over for them. It's never over for the
families of the victim. It's never over for the families
of the killer. I've interviewed those as well, and they live,
you know, with a different kind of haunting, right the families.
A mother of a woman who was murdered. I remember
her saying to me that she felt the most sorry
(08:31):
for the mother of the killer, because that woman would
have to live with what her son had done, and
at least she could live with the memories of her daughter.
It's it just it's a it's a ripple effect that goes,
you know, to both families, to the communities, to everyone
who knew both people involved. It really yeah, it. Having
(08:56):
had an up close and personal seat to it for
a number of years, you really see it. You really
see it for what it really is and not not
just the sort of and I'm as guilty of this
as anyone, the sort of entertainment of it, but you
see the reality of it.
Speaker 1 (09:14):
Yeah, I was just going to ask that that's a
fine line you have to walk so you're not exploiting them,
but yet you're getting their story across. You really have to.
It's kind of a fine line there.
Speaker 2 (09:23):
It's a very fine line. And believe me, I have
asked people why are they doing it? And a lot
of times what I find from family members is what
they say is when you go to court, you have
to sit there quietly while the defense attorney drags down
your family member or friend because they're trying to get
(09:45):
their client off right and you can't say anything. That
is how the justice system works. And being on television
is a chance for them to write the ship and
to talk about this person that they love in a
full way, and maybe in some cases it also is
(10:05):
a sense of warning to someone who might be in
a similar situation to their loved one that they could
potentially hey, you know, these are the red flags that
were ignored. Hopefully you won't ignore them. So we try
to do right by people. We try to be respectful
of people, and I've been lucky. I think most of
(10:29):
the stuff that I've worked on does do that. I
don't think everyone does that. And I think in the
podcast we also even though these are cases that happened
one hundred, two hundred, three hundred years ago, there are
still people, there's still families, They everybody might be dead,
but it was still a real person and we try
to be respectful of them and what happened in that
(10:51):
situation as well.
Speaker 1 (10:53):
So what have you found most that most of the
murders are committed by great or lust?
Speaker 2 (10:57):
You know, I think it's probably split fifty to fifty,
and I think those are two of the biggest things.
I think here's the number one reason I think murders
are committed entitlement. I really do think that a lot
of killers feel entitled to the love, the money, the position,
the whatever, and they and it's weirdly not as personal.
(11:22):
It's you're standing in the way of my having custody
of the kids, or my owning the business full time,
or quiet in the neighborhood, or my particular point of
view being heard or whatever it is. You're standing in
the way of it. So I'm going to kill you.
But I really think it's more entitlement than anything else.
Speaker 1 (11:42):
Yeah, I hadn't looked at that. I was simple like
greedor less. But I think you nail it on the
head right there. I think entitlement. You're probably right. That
sounds right. All right, Let's see what happened.
Speaker 2 (11:50):
It's scary but true.
Speaker 6 (11:53):
All right.
Speaker 1 (11:53):
What happened in October the thirty first, In fifteen seventeen,
Martin Luther he started the Protestant Reformation. His ninety five
thesises is what was wrong with the Catholic Church. He
ended up sending it to the Archbishop of Brandenburg in Germany. Now,
Luther had been a priest and amongk for about ten
years when he did this. Now there's a story about
him nayling the thesis is to the door of a church.
(12:15):
And now that didn't happen. It's just get talking. According
to Luther, he said that basically he just wanted to
start a discussion. Well, his ninety five thesis they made
it all the way to the pope, and when the
Pope burnt about it, yep, Luther was immediately excommunicated and
had to run for his life. But their Protestant Reformation,
ye split year and a half. The northern half kind
(12:36):
of went to be the Protestants and the southern half
mainly went to be State Catholic. And that's general, it's
not just one hundred percent. That's kind of what happened
eighteen forty six. The Donner Party, we've all heard about
them today. They realized that they were stuck. They could
not go over the Sierra Nevadam mountains and they couldn't
go back, so they had just set up a camp
for the winner. So you kind of heard about some
(12:57):
stories that most people don't hear about the Donner Party, right.
Speaker 2 (13:00):
Yeah. There were two Indian guides who were named Lewis
and Salvador. They were shot and cannibalized around January eighth
of eighteen forty seven. It's also possible that Tamsen Donner
was murdered in March of eighteen forty seven, but we
don't know that for sure. So, yeah, there was murders.
(13:21):
They didn't just eat people that had died, they killed
people too.
Speaker 1 (13:26):
That dirty sigh right there.
Speaker 2 (13:49):
Okay, Happy birthday Nevada today. In eighteen sixty four, Nevada
became the twenty sixth state the Spanish named it Nevada
for the snow covered mountain ranges. Even though most of
the state is desert. Eighty six percent of Nevada is uninhabited,
but where people do live it is kind of cool.
The capitalist Carson City. The highest point is Boundary Peak
(14:10):
at thirteen and forty seven feet, and I'm not going
to climb it, so I'll just take your word for it.
The Nevada state bird is the mountain blue jay, and
the fish appropriate for today is the cutthroat trout. The
flower is sagebrus the reptile desert tortoise the mammal desert
big horned sheep. Some people who were born in Nevada
include tennis player Andre Agassy, baseball's Bryce Harper, actress Don Wells,
(14:33):
race car drivers Kurt and Kyle Busch, and and excuse me,
Dan Reynolds, the lead singer of Imagined Dragons.
Speaker 1 (14:40):
Right, then you know what their nickname is. Nope, they
are the Silver State.
Speaker 2 (14:45):
Oh is that right?
Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, at the time, Nevada has actually had more silver
come out of than anyplace else in the United States.
Speaker 2 (14:51):
Oh yeah, and now they keep all the silver when
people go there to gamble.
Speaker 1 (14:55):
Exactly except now they've brought in a lot of gold too.
Speaker 2 (15:00):
Yeah, and and and probably bitcoin.
Speaker 1 (15:04):
That's right, that'd be kind of interesting to hear. But
they bet they are gambling that when you think.
Speaker 2 (15:09):
I would assume so I don't know anything about bitcoin,
but I would assume that people do gamble.
Speaker 1 (15:15):
It all right. Well, in nineteen thirty and the first
paved highway that ran coast to coast across the United
States opened up. It's called the Lincoln Highway. So you're
in Illinois, so probably a Lincoln fan, huh?
Speaker 2 (15:26):
I love I ram Lincoln. Yes, he was a defense
attorney in multiple murder trials, by the way, and we
have a Lincoln Highway here as well. I don't know
if it's the same, if it's like a same road
that goes all the way through, or if it's just
another road that's called the Lincoln Highway.
Speaker 1 (15:43):
Not sure it might have been. It might've been like
Route sixty six once the Interstate came through. You know,
it kind of like it's still there, but it's not
the They don't really right about it.
Speaker 2 (15:52):
Yeah, it's disconnected. Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:54):
Well, this one was three three and eighty nine miles long.
I went from Times Square, New York City all the
way to San Francisco. Now, it wasn't like the interstate,
so I know that's what people were thinking about. No,
it was just this little two lane ira and it meandered,
it didn't. It just went from town to town to town.
It's not like he had overpasses or anything like that. Now,
World War One in nineteen seventeen, it was last time
(16:16):
in the world history a cavalry charge was successful. Now
was in Palestine at the Battle of Beersheba, the Australian Calvity,
and they were able to pull it off. If you're
not sure what the cavalry is, that means they were
all on horses. So they were charging machine guns on horses.
So that's why it was the last time it has
ever been able to do successfully. Nineteen twenty three at
Marble Bay in Australia. Now, their temperature hit one hundred
(16:38):
degrees today. Now that temperature, it would hit one hundred
degrees for the next one hundred and sixty days straight,
you know, for a little come my gosh. So if
you want a little comparison, Phoenix just set their record
a couple of years ago. They went one hundred and
thirteen days straight where it hit a hundred, so two
hundred and sixty. You ever do any international in your
international stories on your murder mysteries.
Speaker 2 (16:58):
That's our hope. I love to travel. My parents are
from Ireland. I've lived in Ireland and England. I have
family all over the world, so I have free places
to stay. And yeah, absolutely would love to do stories
(17:20):
because there's some really fun stories all over the world
and we would love to tell them. So fingers crossed
we get a chance to do that.
Speaker 1 (17:27):
Cool. Nineteen eighty three, Ron Grant he became the first
person to run all the way around Australia. That means
on the actor. Took him two hundred and seventeen days
and he ran eight three hundred and sixteen miles. He
went from Brisbane to Brisbane basically. So this guy, I
don't know how he pulled it off. He actually had
to run thirty nine miles a day in order to
do that.
Speaker 2 (17:46):
Oh my god, I don't have the idea of driving
all around Australia sounds exhaust So.
Speaker 1 (17:53):
Wow, I can't in mind driving eight thousand miles and
that would be hard and I'm going to do it. Yeah,
To be honest with you, I don't even want to
be in a plane for with that take about seven
eight hours. I probably picked about fifteen hours.
Speaker 2 (18:06):
Yeah, yeah, to go to fly from Yeah, that's a
it's a big place in Australia.
Speaker 1 (18:12):
It won't be a plane that long. Nineteen eighty four,
the Prime Minister of India name was India Gandhi. She
was assassinated by her two bodyguards. They killed her while
she was walking through the garden at the Prime Minister's
residence and while she was being interviewed for a documentary
on Station in Ireland. Now they shot her over thirty times. Now,
they didn't run or anything. They just stayed there until
the police got there. Obviously they were executed. Nineteen ninety two,
(18:37):
Pope John Paul the second he had to take one
for the team. That Pope. He was there from the
time it was time for the Catholic Church to come clean.
He had to publicly announce to the world that the
Catholic Church was wrong. They should not have persecuted astronomer
Galileo as badly as they did. So it took three
hundred and fifty nine years, but Pope John Paul, he
admitted the Galileo was correct. There does revolve around the sun.
(18:59):
And yeah, he shouldn't have been tortured and forced to
live the late last eight years of his life under
house arrest.
Speaker 2 (19:05):
I'm sure that's some great comfort to his family. Have
you heard or seen the movie Soulsurfer? Souls Surfer Today.
In twenty thirteen, thirteen year old Bethany Hamilton had her
arm bitten off by a shark while she was surfing
in Hawaii. I've never surfed, and that doesn't make me
want to do it.
Speaker 1 (19:26):
No, that's not really a recruiting poster kind of story.
Speaker 6 (19:29):
No.
Speaker 2 (19:30):
And in twenty eighteen, the largest statue in the world
was unveiled, the Statue of Unity in Gujarat, India. It
stands five hundred and ninety seven feet tall and it
is of Indian independence leader Sadhar Ptal. I think that's
twice the height of the Statue of Liberty.
Speaker 1 (19:47):
Oh that's some big statue it is.
Speaker 2 (19:49):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (19:50):
See, and I gave you the short version. If I
didn't give you the Indian name to read that was
a hard one.
Speaker 2 (19:55):
Well, thank you, I appreciate that.
Speaker 1 (19:58):
Oh, so how'd you get it? How'd you switch you
over from your books to the History of Murder the podcast?
Speaker 2 (20:03):
Yes, what about the History of Murder podcast?
Speaker 1 (20:06):
No, I was just letting what brought that one on?
You've been writing your not Oh?
Speaker 2 (20:10):
Actually I had found out that someone who came over
on the Mayflower had killed his neighbor ten years after
he arrived in Plymouth, Massachusetts. And I like to joke,
it's the first Pilgrim on Pilgrim violence that I'd ever
heard of. And it just made me, like, I don't
(20:33):
know why, obsessed with the idea of finding other connections
between history and murder. And so I began to just
compile a list which is now at about fourteen hundred
cases where I can connect crime to the events that
were happening around it. And I didn't know really what
(20:53):
to do with it. I because I do write books,
I thought, Okay, well, I'll write a book about it,
you know, but it was so many cases that that
was impossible, and a friend suggested doing a podcast. I
didn't know anything about podcasts. I hooked up with my cousin,
Margaret Smith, and she does all the visuals for our
(21:14):
YouTube channel, and we were like, neither one of us
knows anything about a podcast, so that we seemed perfect partners.
So we just decided we would I would do the words,
she would do the pictures, and we would figure it
out together, which were only I don't know how many episodes,
only maybe half a dozen episodes in and hopefully we're
(21:36):
figuring it out. But yeah, it really was sort of
an organic thing of I'm not done writing books. I'll
continue to write books, but I really wanted to tell
these stories and I didn't nowhere else to tell them
that I could that I could do them justice, you know,
because I wouldn't be able to tell all of them
(21:58):
in a book. They were too many, and I just
this seemed like the perfect place to go.
Speaker 1 (22:02):
And I'm definitely going to have you guys go check
this out. Well, I mean, we'll keep talking about it,
but if you're not knowing what you guys are doing,
the quality of these are just incredible. It looks basically
like a dateline TV episode almost.
Speaker 2 (22:15):
Well, thank you, Yeah, I mean, I think you know,
it helps that I've that I've spent almost twenty five
years in television. It helps that I and I bring that,
you know, I just assume that's how we should do it.
I mean, there's just two of us working on the content,
by the way, and then we have an editor who
puts it together. But like it's a lot for two people,
(22:35):
but we bring that TV sensibility to it, and Margaret
her profession is a librarian, so she brings a lot
of the research and the meticulousness of it to that.
So together we kind of figure it out. And what
we really want to do is just bring it everything
to life, you know, and put you there, put you
(22:58):
in that space. And so sometimes our stories are you know,
are intimate and personal family members killing each other. Sometimes
they're bigger, they're things that change the world we live in.
And sometimes they're famous stories, but we'd look for a
twist on them. And sometimes they're stories that have been
(23:21):
completely forgotten, have just been buried in the pages of history,
and we get a chance by interviewing historians to dig
them out again. And we also use actors to read
some of the court documents or interviews or whatever, so
that you can hear the voices of the people who
(23:41):
were involved. And it's luckily we have some friends who
are in fact professional actors, and sometimes we just use friends.
Speaker 1 (23:52):
So fourteen hundred stories, is it just a gut feeling.
Is there something that intrigues you that makes it I mean,
how do you figure out which Okay, we're going to
do this one this week?
Speaker 2 (23:59):
Yeah, yeah, you know, we really sit down and kind
of figure out, Okay, if we told this story, what
is it about this story that stands out from say,
guy kills his girlfriend story? Like, unfortunately, there are many,
many of those, So what is it about this particular
one that we want to tell? And if we can
(24:22):
see something beyond just the case itself, then we expand
on that. One of the early stories we did is
in fact about a guy who killed his girlfriend, but
it happened at a time when cars were coming into
rural areas of the United States, and so it was
(24:43):
changing the lives of people who lived in those rural areas,
and that directly impacted the crime itself, and so we
felt like, like, okay, that's a story we can tell.
And we get very, very attached because we physically go
to these locations. We go to the museums, we go
to the cemeteries, We spend a lot of our time
(25:05):
in cemeteries. We go and we take photographs of the graves,
and we both of us stand there and say, we're
going to tell your story. We're going to tell your story.
You're not going to be forgotten. So it feels very
very personal for us by the time that we actually
finish it up, because we've walked the walk. You know,
this isn't something we just do from a Wikipedia search.
(25:28):
We we go out and make sure that we're telling
the real story.
Speaker 1 (25:33):
Yeah. I think that's probably why it's so good, because
it is personal.
Speaker 2 (25:37):
Yeah, it is personal. Yeah. We we carry it like
you were saying earlier about the people I've interviewed, and
I do carry them with me. I carry these people
with me too. We we talk about them by their
first names. Now we know them very well, and hopefully
we bring that to the show.
Speaker 1 (25:58):
You definitely do. I'm a guy. I can't stressed that
the listeners enough. Man, you guys are really going to
like this. Hey, should we talk some birthdays?
Speaker 2 (26:05):
Absolutely? Dale Evans by the Song of Dale Evans. Dale
(26:28):
Evans wrote that song for her and her husband, Roy Rogers,
in nineteen fifty one. She was born in Uvalde, Texas.
In nineteen twelve, when she was fourteen, she eloped. They
had a son, but the guy abandoned her and the boy,
so at sixteen, Dale went to Memphis to try and
make it in the movie business, which God bless her.
She told the boy, told everyone the boy was her
(26:50):
brother and she was raising him. She got jobs playing
the piano, working in radio stations and had some local success.
She got married and divorced more than two more times,
and in nineteen forty seven she married Roy Rogers. In
the fifties, she starred with him on the Roy Rogers
TV Show and they made a bunch of movies together.
They had five kids. Roy died in nineteen ninety eight
(27:10):
and she died in two thousand and one from heart
failure at the age of eighty eight. And did you
know that in nineteen sixty nine, Roy Rogers stand in
a guy named Danelle Spade. Cooley suspected that his wife
had had an affair with Roy Rogers, and they argued
(27:31):
and Cooley killed her. He served eight years in prison
and was released on furlough to play at a benefit concert.
He was performing at that concert when he had a
heart attack and died. So there is no evidence, by
the way that the wife, Ellie May Cooley, had had
an affair with Roy Rogers. But I just thought I'd
mentioned it because here's the thing that I have found.
(27:52):
Everything is less than six degrees of separation from a
murder case.
Speaker 1 (27:57):
Well exactly. I mean, whether Roy and Dale had anything
to do with it or not, they were instrumental. I
mean the guy, even though Roy didn't even probably know,
might not even known the girlfriend, she ended up getting
killed because the guy suspected him of it.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Yeah, it's you know, she may have had a lovely
little chat with him or something. You know, who knows
he was obviously, as people who commit murder are not
really thinking on all, thinking anything through. So yeah, there's
no evidence that he had anything to do with her,
but there you go, it did happen. There was another
(28:34):
birthday today. Actor Michael Landon was born in Forest Hills,
New York, in nineteen thirty six. No known murders connected
to mister Landon. He is best known for playing his
work on TV, starting on Bonanza, where he played Little
Joe Cartwright, and then he was PA on Little House
on the Prairie and then Jonathan on Highway to Heaven.
(28:55):
He had two sons from his first wife, two sons
and three daughters from his second wife, and was married
to his third wife in eighteen. I'm sorry, I'm so
used to older stories. Nineteen eighty three, and he had
a son and a daughter. How many kids is that?
It's a bunch of kids. He died in nineteen ninety
one at only fifty four years old, from pancreatic cancer.
Speaker 1 (29:17):
So do you remember TV Guide the thing?
Speaker 2 (29:20):
Oh gosh, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 1 (29:21):
It just had it printed its last issue on September
twenty seventh, so you can this year. Yeah, just a
couple of weeks ago, and now you can. You can
still subscribe to TV Guide, but it's online and it
doesn't give like the TV listings. You know, that's why
you about TV Guide, and so it showed you what
was on TV. Now they yeah, now they just do
entertainment stories. But for you older ones who actually remember
(29:44):
TV Guide when people got it to their house, Michael Lannon,
he was on the cover second most if he was
on their twenty seven times. The person who was on
TV Guide the most, Lucille Ball. She was on the
cover thirty nine times.
Speaker 2 (29:56):
Wow. Wow. Actually, and she had multiple series as well.
Speaker 1 (30:02):
And actually her son when I think we were all
way too young, but when Desi and Lucy had their son,
he was such a big celebrity thing like that. He
was actually the little I think he's like nine or
ten months old. He was the first person ever be
on the cover of TV Guide.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
They put the actual Desi Arnaz Junior.
Speaker 1 (30:22):
Yeah, they put his bit in the baby Hip. He
was on the first cover of TV Guy aw all right.
Actor John Candy. He's born in Toronto, Canada, in nineteen fifty.
He first got known from the movie Stripes, then Plane
Strains and Automobiles, The Great Outdoors Uncle Buck. Johnny got
married nineteen seventy nine and they had two children. Now,
according to everybody who knew him, he tried and tried,
(30:44):
but John he just could not lose weight for anything.
Ended up dying from a heart attack in nineteen ninety
four at seventy forty three years old. Actor Rob Schnetter.
Speaker 2 (30:53):
John k seem like such a nice man.
Speaker 1 (30:55):
Yeah's all you hear about is he genuinely was a
really nice guy. He said that between scenes that people
would sit there and think that, you know, the stars
they go their their trailers and all that kind of stuff.
They'd look over and there John would be just sitting
there bsing with the guys on the crew producers. He
get kind of Hey, John, they got to work, man.
I guess this guy's a pretty good guy too. Actor,
(31:16):
comedian Rob Schneider. He's sixty two. He's born in San
Francisco in nineteen sixty three. Start out on Saturday Night
Live for four years. Get this, he has been besides Adam.
He is the only one who's been in every single
Adam Sandler movie.
Speaker 2 (31:29):
Oh wow, Well, I guess they're good friends.
Speaker 1 (31:31):
Yeah. And his personal are his movies that he's been in,
those Deuced Bigelow, Male Jigglow movies, The Animal, Hot Chicks,
Bench Warmers. He actually has the best selling book out
right now. I think it has to do. It's kind
of a political book. I guess he'd say his take
on it anyway. And he is touring as a stand
up comedy act now. He had a daughter from his
first wife, married his third wife in twenty eleven and
(31:53):
they have two daughters.
Speaker 2 (31:55):
Lord, please give me for my wont to kill me,
but she tried to save me first.
Speaker 6 (32:04):
You're going if I have to drag you a budget.
Speaker 4 (32:08):
I love this crazy, tragic, sometimes almost magic, awful, beautiful.
Speaker 1 (32:14):
That's country. Singer Dale Worley he's sixty one. He's born
in Memphis, Tennessee, in nineteen sixty four. Some of his
big hits sorry I Miss my Friend. Have you forgotten? Awful?
Beautiful life? If something should happen now. He married his
second wife in two thousand and seven. He was so
happy about getting married. I'm pretty much garant. I'm guaranteeing
you're not going to figure out how he's celebrated his
(32:36):
second marriage.
Speaker 2 (32:37):
Oh gosh, I don't know wrote a song.
Speaker 1 (32:39):
That would you would have thought, But no, He's celebrated
by imposing nude for Playgirl magazine.
Speaker 4 (32:46):
He's fun.
Speaker 6 (32:47):
He can't.
Speaker 3 (32:52):
Sign yes six, So.
Speaker 2 (33:06):
That's the perfect Halloween song. That's Annabel Lwin singing for
Bow Wow Wow. She was born in Rangoon, Burma in
nineteen sixty six. She's fifty nine years old today. When
the band Adam and the Ants broke up, the Ants
formed Bow Wow. They got thirteen year old Wow Annabel
to be their singer. Eventually she went solo, so the
guys replaced her and she didn't like that, so she
(33:28):
started Bow Wow Wow with Annabel. So there's two bands
with more or less the same name. Take your pick.
Do you want to hear the band or the singer, Jeff,
would you'd prefer the.
Speaker 1 (33:40):
Singer, I prefer the singer than the band.
Speaker 2 (33:43):
Yeah, I gotta say I would do Yeah, I'm all
in that. Yeah, it's interesting. Okay, why not smoky? Next
morning we.
Speaker 1 (34:07):
Finished Charlie che Now as a Beastie Boy, he was
known as ad Rock. Now. He was born Adam Horowitz.
He's fifty nine too. He was born in Manhattan, New York.
Now Adam. He started out in the punk band called
Young and the Useless. Now they would open for the
Beastie Boys, and then in nineteen eighty two the Beasts
(34:29):
They had an opening so there they added ad Rock
to the band. After he joined, they quickly became very popular.
Sol there were fifty million records. But when their main guy,
David y or Adam Yach, when he died in twenty twelve, Yeah,
the rest of the Beasties they said not to replace him.
They decide, you know what, let's just go on do
our own things again. So yep, that was the end
of the Beastie Boys. Horbitz. He married actress I owned
(34:51):
Sky for seven years in the nineties, and he married
a second wife in two thousand and six, and they
have a son.
Speaker 2 (34:58):
Of that booze cuculations. You playing like a poisonous mushroom
dead lead when not playing to Meloch, anything less than
the best is a fella.
Speaker 5 (35:05):
He love it, so'll leave it.
Speaker 6 (35:06):
You bet I can't wage you bet.
Speaker 2 (35:07):
I get pulls out a kid, don't play. If there
was a problem, Jo she got the hook on DJ
was loss?
Speaker 1 (35:19):
Were you a big Vanilla Ice fan?
Speaker 2 (35:21):
You know? I I I can't say that I'm a
huge Vanilla Ice fan, but I remember him and and
I enjoyed the Ice Ice Baby song when it was
out all back in the day.
Speaker 4 (35:31):
Right.
Speaker 1 (35:32):
Well, the name Robert van Winkel, that doesn't really sound
like a hardcore wrapper, so that's why he went Vanilla
Ice sounds a little more o g Now he's fifty.
Speaker 2 (35:40):
It wasn't he from like the suburbs or someplace.
Speaker 1 (35:43):
Yeah, he grew up rich down there in Dallas, Texas.
He was born in nineteen sixty seven, so yeah, his
parents had money. He actually started out as a professional
motocross racer and then during the race he broke his
ankle and while he was recovering, he got into really
big into hip hop. So he quit motocross and went
into basically just being a rapper and singer.
Speaker 2 (36:01):
Now that song and now he rehabs houses.
Speaker 1 (36:03):
Right, Not only was Ice Size Baby, it was the
first hip hop song to go number one, but it
was not the first rap song. The first rap song
to go number one, and he guesses it was Blonde Blondie,
her song Rapture gets credit.
Speaker 2 (36:18):
Really yeah, so interesting.
Speaker 1 (36:21):
So the first rap song is from Blondie and the
first hip hop song is from Vanilla Ice. That probably, okay,
I probably get some of those rappers a little. They
don't like that history, do they.
Speaker 2 (36:32):
I would imagine.
Speaker 1 (36:33):
Yeah, now he does rehab houses, like you said, But
he actually just opened up his own brewery down there
in Palm Beach, Florida. He just opened it up three
weeks ago. So you guys are in Palm Beach and
you wanted to go to a brewery. Yeah, he's got
one down.
Speaker 2 (36:47):
There, all right. I will check it out, and I well,
you don't need ice in your beer, but still, I
bet the beers are cold, you know, some of ice.
Speaker 1 (36:55):
He is cold.
Speaker 2 (37:00):
She's Jon.
Speaker 1 (37:10):
She she's Jon. Now, I'm not sure if this is
a sad story or not. See that was Lynn Bergerin.
She was the singer of Ace's Bass. She's fifty five.
She was born in Gottenburg, Sweden in nineteen seventy. Now
she for helped form Asa Basse in nineteen eighty seven.
(37:32):
Now they took their name from a Motorhead song called
Aesus Spades All that she wants the sign don't turn
around beautiful Life. Those are some Ace Bass song. Do
you remember them from the nineties, I absolutely do, yeah,
and those are all with Lynn saying. Now they sold
over fifty million records, so that makes them third all
time as the biggest selling Swedish artist. They're behind rock
Set and of course Abba down In two thousand and seven,
(37:55):
Lynn she just quit the band. So basically she just
dropped out of life. She didn't want to do with
anybody or anything. She became a reckless so she just
went and did her own thing and she didn't communicate
with anybody. The only person she really talks to or
communicates with is her sister, and she tells her sister
that she is having a great life and she is
perfectly happy. I guess great for Lynne, but I don't know.
(38:16):
It's just something about it sounds kind of sad, didn't it.
Speaker 2 (38:18):
It does sound sort of sad, But I can imagine
that her experience was being sort of so many people
pulling at her and wanting something from her, and you know,
being surrounded constantly, not just by fans but by managers
and agents and record people. That the isolation is probably
(38:41):
just what she needs at the moment. She might not
always be that way, but I think that I can
understand wanting to just go all right, I don't want
anybody pulling at me right now.
Speaker 1 (38:51):
Yeah, and hey, as long as she's happy, that's all
that matters. I mean, it's not like she's that goofy
or anything. Is just I just want to be left alone.
Good for you?
Speaker 2 (38:58):
Yeah, yeah, yeah. And you know what, if she's in Sweden,
there's very few places on earth that are more beautiful,
so she can enjoy.
Speaker 3 (39:06):
Some of that.
Speaker 1 (39:07):
Now, you said that you are going to keep writing?
Are going to do? Guys? Check out her books? They're
really good, just like our podcast. But are you gonna
do any writing or like any more? That Kate Conway series.
Speaker 2 (39:17):
Yeah, yeah. That series is about a television producer who
solves murders. I've never solved a murder by the way,
But but yeah, I would love to write another Kate
Conway and and write, you know, just keep writing more
and more books. I have a series called The World
of Spies about a married couple who accidentally become spies,
(39:41):
and each book takes place in a different country, and
I sort of had to stop the series because of
the pandemic and I couldn't travel two different countries to write.
But I'm picking that back up again and hopefully going
to Japan to write the third book in that series.
So yeah, I what I love about fiction is that
(40:03):
you are literally making it up, and it's it's kind
of it's I feel a lot of pressure on the
history of murder to get it right, even though we
are talking about historical crimes and there isn't anybody here
to fact check me from the family, as it were.
The reality is, I don't want to be wrong about
(40:29):
what any of the things that we say, and I
don't want to I take it as if the crime
happened yesterday, and there's going to be lawyers who are
going to say, well, you can't say this or you
can't say that. But writing fiction means I don't have
to worry about any of that. You know, it's a
nice balance between the two of being able to just
go all right, you know, he does this or he
(40:50):
goes here. Like in fiction real life, it's the characters
that matter, it's the people that matter. So when I
write a book, I'm always focused on the people in
my stories and I and I think that's true for
the podcast as well. We're focused on the people of
(41:11):
that stories and what they were like and what happened
with them. And we try to tell you. We try
to create characters or pull from the people and talk
about specifics so that you follow the story of some
people throughout rather than just tell you from the outside.
We like to pull you in. That's why we use actors.
(41:32):
We'd like to pull you into the characters that were
there and what they went through. And so I guess
I'm learning I pull a little bit of my fiction
work in terms of telling the story as it you know,
in the same way, but being meticulous about the facts.
(41:54):
And then when I'm writing fiction, I'm I'm not as
worried about the facts, but I am concerned that whatever
world I set up, I stay true to it. So
there's a fact, there's facts in it. In that whatever
I create, I have to be true to it.
Speaker 1 (42:13):
Is that why you always have to travel before you
even though it's fiction. Instead you can just make it up,
you still have to go there to see it in
yourself well.
Speaker 2 (42:20):
One hundred percent, because you know, people get stuff wrong,
and I don't want to get I don't want to
get it wrong. I want to I want to tell
you what it sounds like and smells like and feels
like to walk that street. Also, I like to travel,
So maybe I'm using the books as an excuse, but
(42:40):
but I think it's really important. And there are stories
in my books that came from real life experiences that
I had that I would never have written about if
I hadn't experienced them. Silly things, but still you know
just how long it took to get someplace, or what
some meal tasted like. And I think having experienced it myself,
(43:02):
I can write about it more fully nothink.
Speaker 1 (43:05):
That's I think that's why they're so good. I mean,
thank you you could have. I mean, I'm sure a
lot of the writers out there and they just kind
of man, I'm not going to go over and see
what Fargo, North Dakota actually looks like. I'm just gonna
have them traveling through where you'll actually go.
Speaker 2 (43:19):
Oh, you should go, and that that that is also
the reason that we go for the history of murder.
We go because if you just if you just look
everything up on the web, you you will get stuff wrong.
There is something about being in the location and seeing
it for yourself that you can go, wow, this really
is isolated, you know, or wow this you know? This
(43:43):
is I see the splendor of this place. And for
a fiction writer, absolutely it just makes such a difference.
You can bring a richness to it that you cannot do.
It's kind I always say, like, it's kind of like
if I wrote a novel about hockey. I've been to
a couple of hockey games. I don't know enough about
(44:06):
it to write fully. For me to write a novel
about hockey, I would want to play. Not professionally, so
don't don't anybody out there offer me a contract, but
you know I would want I would want to be
able to say what it feels like, because otherwise I'm
probably going to get stuff wrong.
Speaker 1 (44:25):
Exactly so, and we're going to put links and make
it easy for you all to actually find her books
and definitely good to the podcast. You're going to love
both of them. Well, thank you very much for coming
on here, Claire. You've been awesome.
Speaker 2 (44:36):
Oh, thank you so much for having me. It's been
really fun and educational to learn all the stuff that happened.
And the happy Halloween to everybody out there.
Speaker 1 (44:44):
Exactly. Remember she's got eighteen bags of candy, so you know,
probably get there before she runs out.
Speaker 2 (44:50):
Yeah. I don't live in sleepy Hollow anymore, so I
don't buy as much candy, but I will run out
and when I do, or I will close the door
and just eat the leftovers. I haven't decided yet.
Speaker 1 (45:03):
Alrighty, We're gonna end with our quote of the day.
It comes from the first James Bond actor, Sean Connery.
He died to day in twenty twenty at ninety years old.
Sean said, love may not make the world go round,
but it makes the ride worthwhile. You guys all have
yourselves an awesome day, and thank you for listening. Don't
forget to follow us, and definitely look on the show's
description today so you figure out where how you can
(45:24):
get onto our books and definitely the podcast. All right,
our Country Underground Radio artist of the day. It comes
from Susiel player in Manitoba, Canada. She knows here Elsie
sunders song. Never have I ever you guys have an
awesome day and we'll talk tomorrow.
Speaker 5 (45:42):
Never have I ever used a fake ID seventeen on
Saturday night. Never have I ever stne to say bread
or grive the bird at a traffic lad.
Speaker 6 (45:53):
Yes alone a half take a couple of of somewhere.
Speaker 5 (45:59):
Everything I'm about say the true decide a line. Never
ever ever thank you Scattist.
Speaker 6 (46:07):
The way you think is spot lie.
Speaker 5 (46:10):
Never never had a call of Scottist.
Speaker 1 (46:13):
Her name is Jong for the mom shot.
Speaker 5 (46:15):
Never have I hit someone bring a mom to take
him back to my hometown mom.
Speaker 6 (46:21):
Never have I hit somebody sealing my home Doumy bonn
so hard? I never have I ever tell you say
never have I ever had a gold church with a
head that hurts just a little hung overs he'd son
(46:44):
a bar covered up scard with the butterfly tap too
on my shoulder.
Speaker 4 (46:49):
Yes, someone I had sick.
Speaker 5 (46:52):
If you sou for everything I'm about.
Speaker 6 (46:57):
Say the true designe.
Speaker 2 (47:00):
Yeah.
Speaker 5 (47:01):
Never have I ever been are cyclist the way he
makes fars lie. Never never I have a call of bird.
Speaker 6 (47:08):
Cycas Burnam is strong brother mother Shine. Never have had
someone to bring one of Mama, take him back to
my hometown. Never have I had somebody stealing in my heart.
Speaker 1 (47:20):
Down the bounce so hard.
Speaker 2 (47:22):
I never have a
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