April 11, 2025 • 37 mins
The stars of Fantastic Four: First Steps are making waves — and not just on screen. Two of the film’s key leads are proudly proclaiming this reboot as a bold, progressive departure from past superhero fare. But is this "not your father’s Fantastic Four" approach a box office risk? We break down their eyebrow-raising comments and compare them to another star who famously dissed the source material — and paid the price. Could First Steps follow the same doomed path? 🔥
Plus, we're joined by Shawn Farash, host of the Ungoverned podcast and the man behind one of the Internet’s most convincing Donald Trump impressions. He shares how he perfected the voice, what makes great satire, and the terrifying details behind a recent swatting incident targeting his family.
Superhero controversies, box office drama, free speech, and a chilling real-life story — this episode has it all.
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Plus, we're joined by Shawn Farash, host of the Ungoverned podcast and the man behind one of the Internet’s most convincing Donald Trump impressions. He shares how he perfected the voice, what makes great satire, and the terrifying details behind a recent swatting incident targeting his family.
Superhero controversies, box office drama, free speech, and a chilling real-life story — this episode has it all.
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This week in the Hollywood and Total Podcast, is the
cast a fantastic for the first steps trying to crush
their own movie?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It just seems that way.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And we speak with podcasters Sean Faraj about his killer
Trump impression, what it's like to be swatted, and why
we have to call out people on our own side
from time to time.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, that matters.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
He canna explain why.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the Hollywood and Total Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Entertainment news and reviews, without doubt, woke Hollywood, narrative, free speech,
free expression.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now that's entertainment.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
And here's your host, Award winning film critic Christian Toto.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
If at first you don't succeed, remake, remake again. You know,
we've had two different versions of The Fantastic Four on
the big screen.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
The first one was just success enough to.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Warrant a sequel, and then basically the franchise shut down.
I don't think many people loved it. And of course
the second remake of that particular saga that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
One didn't do well at all. It was a bomb
on many levels.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No one liked it, even though I had a good cast,
including the great Miles Teller, just didn't work. Maybe turning
the thing into a body horror situation was not a
good idea when you're trying to tell a superhero story.
I'm just spitballing here, but I think that was a
that was a bad choice artistically.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And already I'm starting to regret it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But now we're getting Fantastic four. A new it's called
Fantastic for the First Steps. It's coming out this summer
and it stars Vanessa Kirby and Pedro Pascal. And yes,
Pedro Pascal is in every second or third film or
TV show. But you know what, he's a good actor.
He's got presence and charm. We're going to cut him
some slack because we've got that abilities. But can't blame
(01:52):
an actor for you know, striking with the iron is hot.
It's what you got to do in Hollywood, and Pedro
Pascal is doing just that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
You might even get sick of me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Now two of.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The four main cast members are speaking out about the film,
and they're doing it in a way, well, it's going
to make your teeth hurt. It's also going to anger
Comic con Nation guaranteed got a lot And do you
really want to anger Comic con Nation?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Because these are the folks.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Who really truly want to see your movie, who will
be spreading the news forar and wide in social media,
and if you're not careful, and if you've got a
clunker in your hands, they'll be telling the whole world
via their YouTube videos why you should avoid this particular
movie at all costs. So putting them on blast angering
them not a good plan. It starts with Joseph Quinn,
(02:41):
the actor who will be playing the human Torch in
the upcoming movie. Here's what he had to say about
the project to the press. We were talking about previous
iterations of Johnny Storm and where we are culturally. He
was branded as this womanizing, devil may care guy. But
is that sexy the these days? I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You're exhausting.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Did we learn nothing from dear miss Rachel Zegler, nothing
at all? Remember how she trashed snow White?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
At least a source material said.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It was weird, weird, weird and stockery and dated and
dusty and old.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And now here.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Comes Joseph Quinn saying, yeah, you know, the source material
Fantastic four not so good.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We made it better. Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But it's just an absolutely terrible thing to say now
he could have said, you know, this family endures, this
concept is golden. I'm so sad it took us two
other tries to get it right. But now I think
we've done it. I think the camaraderie here is going
to really make this pop off the screen. I think
we've kind of uncovered what really makes this particular superherosaga special.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Can't wait for you to see it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You couldn't say that you have to attack his own carrot.
Oh my, and he wasn't alone. Kirby, who is playing
the invisible woman in the film, also had to push
her particular progressive bona fides in an interview related to
the film. Here's what she had to say. If you
(04:17):
played an exact sixties Sue today, everyone would think she
was a bit of a doormat. So figuring out how
to capture the essence of what she represented to each
generation where the gender politics were different and embody that
today was one of the greatest.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Joys of this.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Mind you, this movie is said in the nineteen sixties,
So for a woman Sue Storm's character to pretend that
she's in twenty twenty five, well, it makes zero sense.
I'm missing something. I don't think I am. The story
is set in the nineteen sixties. For now, it may
time travel a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But why, just why, why would you.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Push this narrative? Now?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
There is one dirty little secret about this particular line
of reasoning is that the movies themselves often don't reflect it.
We may see fantastic for the first steps and think,
wait a minute, that actress said this, and she said that,
I don't see it on screen. I just see a
popcorn movie that I enjoyed. That's certainly possible. Actors often
(05:19):
kind of push things that they want to see in
a film where they think this is the right thing
to say. Perhaps, And a great example of this was
just from a few years ago, the Bond movie No
Time to Die, the last filmin the last film in
the saga. We have to wait many many years before
the next one comes out. But when that was in production,
when that was being stalled by COVID, when all the
(05:40):
stars and the actors and directors and all the people
behind the scenes were talking about it, all they could
do is basically play up the woke elements. This is
an empowered Bond. The women in here are stronger than ever.
This isn't the old Bond you're used to. And then
when you saw No Time to Die, which I confess
I didn't enjoy that much. I thought it was a
bit of a letdown. But it really wasn't that woke.
(06:02):
They were just making things up. They were interpreting what
they wanted to read about the film and sharing that
with the public. And that film actually underperformed. It didn't
make nearly as much money as previous Bond installments. Now
you could blame pandemic, you can blame the fact that
it was delayed. You can blame the fact that they
killed James.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Bond, and that wasn't cool.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Right, So you don't get a spoiler alert for a
movie that's like five or six years old. But why Well,
maybe people just heard all that woke nonsense and said,
you know what, I'll just watch my old favorite Bond
movies at home. I don't need to see this in theaters.
That very well could have happened. The movie underperformed, but
it didn't really reflect that woke framing.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So there you have it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
We have another case of actors sharing their views. They're
allowed to share their views, but also potentially shooting themselves
in the foot, and this is a project that needs
a lot of good will. Again, third time making the
Fantastic four, this could flop two. You don't do that.
You don't you don't put out that line of reasoning.
(07:04):
It just it doesn't make any sense. But I think
the bottom line when it comes to the Fantastic forecast
or any any members of any particular film, you just
never go to the full Rachel Zegler, it.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Never ends well, trust me. Is that Donald Trump on
the line.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know, the first time I heard Sean Farash is
Trump impersonation, I thought, my gosh, that's really good. He
was doing an interview, kind of a faux interview on
the Ryan Schuling Live Show, which has heard here in
Denver on six thirty k how.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's a wonderful show.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
If you get a chance to check it out, either
in podcast form or you're in the greater Denver area,
please give it a listen. But what Sean does with
Donald Trump is just a little bit different than all
the people who imitate him. You know, his Trump is
unique because it doesn't feel cartoonish or exaggerated. And again,
Trump himself is larger than life and he brings that on,
but it's a more grounded Trump and more realistic Trump,
(08:09):
and it's just so darn good.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I gotta admit you had me fooled.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But that's just one of the things that Sean farroshe
brings to the podcasting realm. His show is Ungoverned, and
you can check it out on most podcast platforms. But
you know, it's just kind of a sign of where
he is as an entertainer that he knows to kind
of zig when everyone else is zagging. His Ungoverned podcast
lets people check out that invitation, for sure, but also
some of his thoughts on pop culture always enhanced with
(08:37):
a good, rich sense of humor. That really matters right now.
You know, anyone can pontificate on the news and the
headlines and what's going on in politics, but if you
can make it funny and relatable and charming, then that's
the sweet spot. And that's the one that Sean hits
time and time again. So Sean is having success on
the podcasting landscape, but that success sometimes comes with a cost,
(08:58):
through no fault of his own. He was recently swatted,
and if you don't know what swatted is, it's a
really terrible process where someone calls in to the police
and claims that something dramatic and terrible is happening at
your home, so the police come to your house, guns drawn,
trying to de escalate the situation or just say people
who might be in harm's way. Of course, it's all
(09:19):
a lie, and the hope is either the people in question,
the targets of the swatting are either scared to death
about the whole process sounds terrifying, or God forbids something
bad happens and maybe the person who opens the door
opens the door too quickly, Maybe something happens behind the scenes.
What if guns are drawn, what if bullets start flying.
It's just an awful, awful process. And the left has
(09:41):
been hitting people on the right with this tactic for
a while now.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So Sean is going to share.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
More about that situation, what it was like to endure that,
and the progress that's being made right now regarding the
search for the people who made that possible terrible situation.
But Seawan is brave, shown is tough, and the reason
why he was targeted because he's effective, he's a good
communicator and sharing a right leaning perspective again with that
Trump personation. So hope you enjoy my conversation with Sean
(10:08):
Frosh funny guy, smart fellow, and let's just hope that
more incidents like that don't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
We don't need that at all.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Let's just agree to disagree, debate the issues, and hear
good smart broadcasters like Sean.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, Sean, thanks for joining the show.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You know, I think often when I talk to creators
like yourself, I just want to ask the most basic
question possible, which is how you got here.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, I think you.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Know, when you were a younger person, I don't think
there was you know, you could be a podcast, or
you can be an influencer. You can be part of
this digital revolution. It didn't seem like the job description
that everyone was gunning for. I mean it was like
doctor lawyer, you know, usual, the usual shtick. But obviously
you're here now doing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
What you do.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Can you kind of give us a thumbnail sketch of
how you got to this particular part of life and
to be able to shape shape the people's minds the
way you do.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah? Sure, Well, while it might be hard to imagine,
I was always kind of a goofball in the class clown,
so shuck. Yeah, it's pretty funny. And one of my
English teachers when I was in ninth grade actually told
my mom and parent teacher conference that your son should
be a DJ, and she said, oh, thank you, he goes, No,
(11:18):
it's not a compliment. There's never any dead air, which
kind of started getting me, you know, giving me ideas. Right,
I originally wanted to be a teacher, to be honest
with you, the first couple of years in high school,
and then I started to realize maybe that's not what
I wanted to do. But I always listened to sports radio.
I was always into radio, so I just wanted to
do radio. And this is like the new version of it, right,
(11:41):
podcasting and streaming and whatnot, and terrestrial radio is still
very popular in its own right, and there are a
lot of good programs out there. But it's always something
I've wanted to do. So there are people who kind
of get thrust into like a new career and whoa,
I never thought i'd get into you know, insert career X.
But I've always wanted to do stuff like this, So
(12:03):
it's a thrill to be able to kind of, you know,
get my feet wet in it and to make the
most of it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
When at what point in this particular journey did you
realize that, hey, not only is it intriguing to me,
not only do my skills match this kind of a gig,
but it's I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Resonating with people.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm getting people to respond to me, that they're I'm
not just talking to the wall. That it's you know,
there's a healthy give and take. When did that kind
of come out?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, that started in twenty twenty, actually before the whole
Trump thing really started kicking off. I never had a platform.
I worked in a paint store. I never kept to myself.
I was always very vocal online, but there was no
real reason for people to start paying attention to my
page versus other people's pages. You know, I obviously post
stuff and whatever. It was my personal social media pages.
(12:51):
It was never anything you know, that people were drawn
to necessarily. But I started doing some activism on Long
Island back when I live in New York and organizing
you know, protests that were massive, tens of thousands of
people that were attending, and so the best way for
them to keep up with when the next one was
going to be or what our next objective was was
(13:12):
through social media, so I you know, had the whole
kind of understanding on how to podcast and livestream and whatnot,
So started to centralize all that information by doing that,
and that kind of just led one thing into another.
Started to practice those different skills and those different you know, routines,
and again it turned into what it is now. Plus obviously,
(13:34):
you know, being able to be silly and goofy online
and make some funny videos and you know, do stuff
like that helps bring people in. Also, because not everybody
wants to get hit over the head with serious news
every day. They want to laugh. So it's kind of
like finding that balance. But we were able to do
that pretty well and it's worked out thus far.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, you mentioned comedy of being so important to kind
of it's going to levens the message. It also just
give us us a break. What else have you learned
about this process? I mean, I imagine it's sort of
trial by fire. There's no real set path. You do
this and then this and then this and then you
get an audience. What's been the learning curve for you otherwise?
What you kind of kind of glean from it all
(14:10):
along the way.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, I mean, the learning curve. One of the most
important lessons is that everybody on the internet is sensitive.
I don't care who you who you uh, who you know,
what you say, or who you know. There are people
who you think will never get upset, and then all
of a sudden they're upset about something. So, you know,
I liked but I like to be an equal opportunity offender.
And I always tell my audience and the disclaimer that hey,
(14:33):
not everything I say is what you're going to want
to hear, right, I mean, there are going to be
opinions that we disagree on, and depending on how we
handle the disagreements, you know, will depend you know, we'll
determine our path forward. Most times it's a disagreement and it's, uh,
you know whatever, and we move on. Sometimes people get
a little worked up over it, or sometimes I get
worked up over it. It's something that is like one
of my red lines. Hey, I don't really I've told
(14:55):
people before, I don't really want you following me if
that's what you believe. That's not the type of audience
I want. And it strikes people as well. You're driving
people away. I said, well, you know, I look at
quality versus quantity, And that's really what it is. I
always tell people who are getting into it, just be yourself, right,
You're You're You're not going to be better at being
(15:15):
anybody else, but you, So just be you and and
because at the end of the day, people want to
follow you for you. They don't want to follow you
to follow somebody else. If they want to follow somebody else,
they'll follow somebody else, right, So just be yourself and
have fun, let lose uh. And you know, obviously you
don't have to divulge all of your personal information with people,
(15:37):
but just it's okay to publicly be you and uh.
And that's kind of been the model that I've used.
Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not so great, but I
don't really care. It's like water off a ducks back
when it comes to that. I'm not going to change
because the Internet says so.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I actually shared a little bit too much of my
kidney stone malady recently. But I think the bottom line
with the work that we do, and we work in
different arenas to a certain degree, but it's authenticity. It's
a genuine sense, and I think people really can smell
out the phony is the people who are pushing too
far or trying to jump on a cause. And I think,
you know, to me, like a Joe Rogan is a
(16:14):
great example here. He's not the best podcaster, he's not
the funniest comedian, but he really does come across as
a genuine seeker of knowledge for better and worse.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And I think that's why he's such a huge following.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know, I may be the.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Only person on the planet who doesn't do a Trump impersonation,
but you do one, and it's one of the best
I've ever heard. And I want to maybe just talk
briefly about how how you created it and why you
think it's different, because I have a sense of it.
But I'm just gonna curious your take about that, because
it is. It is different. It's really spot on, but
it feels like an impression apart from most of your peers.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. I started doing that when I
was selling direct TV, right, Like, as I mentioned, I've
always been a clown, right, a google ball and authentic, right,
you know, so if I'm making a sales pitch, you're
gonna get me. You're not going to get this slick,
you know, you smarty like here's this used car, but
it's really the greatest car. Even though there's like scratches,
(17:13):
you don't see those. Those scratches were built into the car,
you know, like stuff like No, so I was I
would be selling direct TV on Long Island. I was
selling it, and I would get customers. And that's how
I knew Long Island was going red and that there
were there were seeds that were already planted for there
to be some sort of big Maga uprising there, which
is what happened in twenty twenty, but it was back
in like the twenty sixteen time frame, twenty fifteen twenty sixteen,
(17:35):
Trump running for president, and I would always, you know,
pitch the package, and a lot of the questions I
would get was, you know, am I going to be
able to keep Fox News? And I would just look
at these people midpitch and so I would never take
that away from you. I'd never do that. Do I
look like or sound like somebody who would do that?
Do you never do that? And they would start laughing.
You know, we're not going to keep you with Crooked Hillary.
We're not going to make you watch I call it,
(17:56):
Rachel Medka. We're not going to make you watch it, right, so,
you know I I would do that to that and
they would eat it up. It was great, right, So,
and it wasn't what it was now. It was really bad.
I heard some of my early early ones and I'm like, oh,
that's brutal. People laughed at that, right because they got
what I was trying to do. But I used it
just as a way of communicating, right, to lighten the mood. Again,
(18:19):
not everybody who gets the news wants to get hit
with a shovel every day, Not everybody who's being sold something.
First of all, people don't like being sold. Second, if
you know, I feel like if I'm entertaining the person
that I'm selling, they're not going to tune out and
just have that pre planned thing in the back of
the head. Well I'll think about I'll go home, talk
to my wife, this, that and the other. You know.
So I used it a lot to close the deal
(18:40):
or to kind of just have the customer kind of
buy into me more so than the product. And that's
where it all started, and it just progressed onward from there.
The big protests and whatnot that we did on Long Island.
I had a friend through that come to me and
say you got to do that Trump thing on TikTok
and I said, no, that's China. We don't want to
do China, right, He said that you got to go on,
(19:00):
then you got to do it. So I did it
and it took you know, he caught the world by
storm and it went all over the place. Now I
can't post a video that gets more than one hundred
views on TikTok. They banned, so I don't really even
care about that platform. I love X and shout social
and you know, rumble all these things. But but it
started off just goofing around doing my job, and it
(19:21):
worked then, and it's it's working pretty well now. I'd
say this.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
May seem like a heavy question, but when you imitate someone,
you know, you did it in a very flippant way
at first. Then of course it got more serious and
you're really kind of honed in on it. But what
do you learn about someone like Trump when you're doing that,
when you're listening to his cadence, when you're checking out
his mannerisms, the way he framed sentences. Do you have
maybe a different understanding of him than most people?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
In a way I mean, maybe it's a little different
because I like him, and I think I'm biased in
that in that aspect. You know, if I heard anybody else, let's,
for instance, you know, Kamala Harris, if she tried to
do the weave right where she goes from one thing
and talks about a bunch of other things, I would
call it a word salad. So you know. But but
Trump does this weave, and I understand it because I
(20:06):
imitate him, and I do you know, I do it
all the time and it's fun, and I'm like, no,
you have to understand he's making points. But would I
make the same excuse for Kamala Harris. I probably wouldn't.
I'd be like, what is she talking about? Right? So
I kind of understand both sides of the equation there,
but I do understand it, and I you see, maybe
it's because he's from New York, you know, Queens. I'm
(20:28):
from Long Island. It's right right around the same area,
and I understand that type of you know, uh way
of communicating. Can we all talk like that? It's like,
you know, we're here, then we're out way out, all
the way out, come on back. You know. It's like
a boomerang. You throw it and it's it's way out there.
You don't know if it's coming back sometimes and then
all of a sudden it's back in your hand. So
(20:49):
I understand that from from that aspect, I actually speak
like that, but regularly, like I, this is the way
I have conversations with people, and sometimes it loses them.
I understand that too, and why it would lose people,
But I think, yeah, listening to him more and trying
to mimic everything leads to a better understanding of kind
(21:10):
of what he means. And I hate to be like that. Well,
you know, I sound like him, right, so this is
what it actually means. You know, I'm not the Trump translator,
but in a way, right, It's like I do feel
like if someone's confused about what he means, I'd be like,
you know, I think it's this, and maybe maybe I know,
maybe I don't, I don't know. I don't consider MISS
have an expert of decoding Trump, but I generally understand him.
(21:34):
You know, the first time he says something, I'm like, ah,
you know, I see where he's going with this.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, Well, have you had the opportunity in any capacity
to trick people into thinking you were the real deal
because we have a mutual friend, Ryan Shuling is Ryan
Schuling live here in Denver, and he.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Puts you on and plays it straight.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And it's so interesting because like it feels like it
could have been a snippet from a real conversation. Do
you ever kind of blur those lines or try to
or is there always a moment where they kind of
there's a little bit of a tell.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
So intentionally I don't. I don't want people to intentionally
believe it's Donald Trump, but I want people to question
whether or not it's Donald Trump, right, because let's be honest.
I don't want to do anything that's going to jeopardize
his position if I started going all over the radio,
we love Russia, right, we love Russia. Russia. They're great people.
Vladimir Putin's a great guy, right, He's a wonderful guy.
(22:26):
I don't want excuse me, MSNBC or some of these
you know, lunatics to take it and be like, listen
to what Trump said. You know. I left a voicemail
on Adam Schiff's congressional phone two years ago, and I
recorded it, and immediately after leaving the voicemail, posted the
video because I did not need Trump getting in trouble
(22:49):
for the things that I said, even though it's the
same stuff that he really said, you know he bung eyes,
pencil and neck, etc. I did not need that causing
a problem for him. He's running for president, right, So
because I pushed the line, I go a little far
sometimes and because it's you know, that's what it's about,
but shocky. But I do love when I get the
comment of, hey, I heard your video playing in the
other room, and I asked, you know, my wife, husband, brother, sister, friend, whatever,
(23:13):
why is Trump saying that? And then they run in
and they see. So I love when I hear that,
and that's what I'm going for. I'm going for wait
a second, that can't be Trump. Not like I can't
believe Trump just said that about Pete Boodhage Edge or
whatever it might be. But I have received like scam calls,
you know, the car warranty and soldier and I have
(23:35):
fooled those people. I had one guy he thought he
was talking to Trump. He was like, I think I
am talking to mister Trump. And I was like, I
was like, you know who you're talking to, right, It's horrible.
What they did, you know? And I had one guy,
you know, I said, you realize you're talking to the president.
He says, so what if I am, what makes you
better than me? I said, I have much better hair,
a lot more money. Right, everybody knows these things. You're
(23:56):
probably an ugly guy. And he starts laughing. You know,
but uh, I have fooled them. But generally I'm not
going for the fool I'm going for the whoa that
sounds a lot like Trump. And then something obvious that's
really funny and silly. And I was like, Okay, this
is an impersonator, but he sounds great. Trump would say that,
or he might have at some point. You know, it
(24:18):
keeps people listening because it's like, it's not Trump, but
what's the next craziest thing that Trump is going to say?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I was listening to your show on Governed recently and
one of the things you mentioned was, and this is
something I've thought about and I struggled with sometimes, is
holding people on our side, the right side of the aisle, accountable.
And you know, in recent weeks I've been more vocal
about criticizing like a Cannice Owens, who I used to
really respect and thought was interesting, and.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I just I think she's lost off the rails.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
To put him mildly, can you talk about that, because
I think there is the I mean, listen to tribalism.
We're so divided right now, and it's very easy for
someone like you or I to kind of go in
that direction, lean hard and let people kind of say
what they want to say and and not criticize them,
when the same time we do need to kind of
police our own and have a moral compass. I mean,
(25:06):
it's it's a weird place to be in this digital landscape,
but we have to speak up. So what are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh? Yeah, I'm glad you asked me that, because you know,
there's one thing that I really didn't like in the
twenty sixteen cycle. I remember feeling helpless, right it was
the media. It was the left, it was the mainstream media,
it was social media, it was the censorship. I couldn't
stand it. I'm like, this isn't fair. You know, we
need a new media, we need an alternative, and we
(25:37):
became the alternative. And then we have folks on our
side who whether it's pushing you know, one of the
things that drove me absolutely crazy was in December of
twenty twenty four, right after they're like, remember the drones
over New Jersey, right, that whole thing. And I'd found
an article and it said there's a military test corridor
and it opened a year ago, and I said, okay,
(25:59):
here it is. No, that can't be it. You know,
there's a nuke that's missing. And you know the Real
Housewives lady said that they're chasing this and my sources
and I'm like, you guys are all doing this for
clicks and it's disgusting. Right, this is the same thing
as you know, Trump Russia, Mike Flynn, George Papada, Like,
it's the same thing. It's just over a different no, no, no, no, no,
(26:20):
my source. You know what it wound up being the
Trump administration set. I was research research military reaches. Wow,
almost like the least sensational answer at the time was
the right answer. But between getting things wrong and everyone
gets things wrong, so it's not necessarily about that. But
when you bring up someone like a Candice Owens, that's
what really where I'm looking at right now, Going all right,
(26:42):
So the left has levied the insult of being an
anti semite in our direction. And I'm not going to
sit here right now and call Candice Owens an anti Semite.
I don't know enough about her personally to say that
she's anti Semitic. What I can say is that every
time there's a hair out of place, she and her followers,
her audience and that circle finds a way to blame Israel,
(27:04):
right even when they're not, like, for instance, with these tariffs. Right. So,
Trump was going to announce tariffs a week ago. He
announced them at four o'clock Eastern time. Before he even
announced them, Israel said, we're dropping all of our tariffs.
They went, well, why to take them so long? Well,
because Donald Trump was the first one to stand up
for them, right, stand up to them. Then after the fact,
(27:25):
it was well, he's Donald Trump is not going to
repeal the seventeen percent tariff placed on Israel because there
are still non tariff barriers, trade barriers, and a trade deficit.
So it became well, you see there's still not an ally. Okay,
So then NTNYA who goes to the White House two
days ago, sits down with Trump and says we're eliminating
all of it. Then it was back to well, why
(27:46):
did it take them so long? Guys? What can they
do for you not to criticize. I'm not saying we
can't criticize their government, but Nenya, who's not my friend.
I don't even know them. I'm saying, you know, this
is a country in the Middle East. They go, they're
not our greatest allies. Okay, well who is? They can't
answer the I don't know, but it's not Israel. Okay, well,
well you got to tell me what is. So, you know,
(28:07):
my whole thing on that is, we can't get to
that level of insert something here, derangement syndrome, right, whether
it's Trump derangement syndrome, Israel derangement syndrome, you know, whatever,
whatever it might be, you know, rational reason, logic. I
don't like when we have people who hyperventilate over a
(28:30):
boogeyman that doesn't exist. Again, I'm not saying that Israel's
perfect and that we have a beautiful, perfect, amazing relationship
with them. Are there things that need to be fixed? Sure?
Does that make them our enemy? Though? I don't think so.
And so when we have people like Owens, you know,
and several other folks in their circle and I'm just
naming Owens because you named her, and I think it's great.
(28:51):
You know, it should be called out that it's ridiculous.
You know, I'll get attacked by members of her following
and they'll be like, well, why are you wasting time
on this? And I'm like, are aren't you the people
who support the lady who just spent two months trying
to prove that the President of France's wife was a dude?
That wasn't a waste of time? Right? What good did
that do?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
He is, okay, well, I'm glad you believe that. What
does that mean whether mccrone's wife is a man or not?
Has no Like, I don't wake up like any different
tomorrow being like, all right, he's a dude. Guys, great,
what a great day we're going to have? Like, no,
it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, mister Rogers right, Like,
I don't care whether that person doesn't matter to me.
(29:32):
The America First crowd seems to care a lot about
a lot of other countries and not America. So it
bothers me when I see that, And it bothers me
when I see the type of filth that those folks
kind of throw around because they'll tell you, no, we're
not antye Semitic, we don't hate Jewish people. And then
I go, well, then why do you use the term
jew as an insult if you don't dislike Jewish people,
(29:52):
if it's just about the country of Israel, And then
you know, I get blocked or rumor made up about it.
So I think it is important for us to police
our own and it is important for us to weed
out that rot. Because the Left refused to weed out
the rot right, you had a festering wound on their
side with men can be women. Then it was men
(30:14):
can go in the ladies room. Then it's men can
join women's sports and brutally hurt people, and it was
never but men can't talk about abortions, but they can
give birth. So it was like this whole thing where
it got really really radical and really ugly, and that
will happen on our side if we don't get proactive
about it. Because the Left saw it and let it happen.
(30:35):
They said, Okay, those people are loud, those people get views,
let's let them go. And Frankenstein got out of the
lab and wreaked havoc I don't want that to happen
on our side, you.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Know, and how they've lost our trust. It happened over years,
and if they were corrective forces within the mainstream legacy
media that policed their own and kind of course corrected,
we wouldn't have the situation we're in right now, where
there's new media landscape is so healthy and hearty, and
will we may suffer the same fate. I want to
(31:04):
I want to real quickly touch on it. I know
that you and your failing were swatted recently, and I
want to get into details. That's a horrible situation. But
are there any lessons there is there any progress on
finding the people? I mean, I just want to kind
of get an update on that situation and just to
let people know that this is happening. And have you
heard anything like this happening on to you know, liberal
(31:26):
influencers or talented people like yourself. I don't think I have,
but maybe you have a different answer.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, first of all, there's not a lot of talent
on the left, so let's let's just say that number one. No,
I haven't heard this happening to anybody on the left,
nor but I want it to right you know, cancel
culture is one of these things that was always a
bad thing. I was always one hundred percent against it,
even people like we just talked about Candice Owns. I
don't think she should be banned. I think she should
be criticized. Right, I don't think people should be banned
(31:54):
and deplatformed. I think they should take criticism and be challenged.
Because doing that, the rest of these equations, the rest
of these outcomes off the table. So let's start with
cancel culture. Because what happened first was, Okay, you're canceled,
you're off the internet. That'll do it. And then these
folks who get canceled, I've been banned off of several platforms,
find other platforms to build a following, and so you know,
(32:15):
you wind up going platform to platform building a following,
and then all of a sudden, so canceling isn't enough.
Now we have to harass, you know, now we have
to swat Fifty five percent of leftists in a new
poll just said that they would feel like it's okay
to kill Donald Trump because canceling him wasn't enough. Lawfare
wasn't enough, elections weren't enough. You know, whatever you say
(32:38):
about him isn't enough. So now they say, well we
got to this week, we got to go even further,
and now it's killing. So this all stems from it's
all fruit of the poisonous tree of cancel culture and censorship.
If we were just not censor people, there would be
no swatting. That's the whole idea. Right, we're gonna call
this in so we can intimidate you guys, your family,
(32:59):
and the twenty of us that this had happened to,
because that's that's the number that it's up to now
around twenty people on the right who have been swatted
and then sent, you know, random pizza deliveries to the
house for weeks family members. Now, my parents in New
York got pizza right in my name. I didn't order
it right. So it's all about intimidation, it's all about censorship,
(33:19):
it's all about trying to silence, and it's all fruit
of the poisonous tree known as cancel culture. It all
comes from cancel culture because the thought was we will
cancel them and that will be enough. And then when
canceling us wasn't enough, they had to go even further
to the point where yes, police showed up at my house,
surrounded the house, pointed guns at the house. We had
(33:41):
no idea what was going on. You know, it was
a very scary experience. I just talked to somebody down
my street, a little boy, you must be eleven or
so years old and or maybe maybe younger than that,
you know, and we asked them, We said, hey, you know,
what was what was your reaction? We saw that, you
know what he told me and this, this like made
me really upset. He said, I was hiding under my
(34:03):
desk crying because I didn't know if I was going
to die. And it wasn't even his house that got swatted,
but it's the first time he's ever seen that in
you know, in his neighborhood. What are we What are
we doing? Right? Is that what? And that is what
they want. They want to turn people against us. They
want to make people think we're the problem. Thankfully, we're
in Tennessee, so we've got you know, we're we're in
good company here. But I mean, if this had happened
(34:24):
in another place, who knows what would have kept going on.
So unfortunately, there's no update on it. We do know
that the FBI is looking into it. I trust new
leadership at the FBI, and I anticipate this taking a
long time because the folks who are doing this, you know,
either got a burner phone or when they're calling in
these pizza orders or ordering them, they're doing it online
with the VPN making it very hard to trace. And
(34:45):
and I'm not anti those things, VPNs and whatnot. I
love privacy, but on the flip side, it could be
used for bad things. Uh. And I hope that they eventually,
I think they will make a slip. They'll get sloppy
like every you know, every criminal does. They get sloppy,
and then they'll get pinched and that'll be the end
of it, and they'll be held accountable and treated as
(35:05):
domestic terrorists because what happened was terrorism, and it wasn't
just for me and my wife and the three cats
that are in his house that are still scared. You
know what. List when somebody walks in, they don't know,
they think it's the cops again. But to the folks
on the street, terrified of what was going on, this
kid telling me he was hiding under his desk, you know,
(35:26):
crying because he thought he was going to get killed.
That's not what I want to hear, and you know,
and that's sad. He doesn't deserve that. These families that
live in this in this neighborhood don't deserve that because
some leftist on the internet doesn't like what I say.
But again, it's all fruit of the poisonous tree of
cancel culture, and that's where that's the root of the problem.
(35:48):
We want to end these issues, take down cancel culture
once and for all. That's how it gets done.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, and by the way, you know, that's a message
they're trying to send to the next maybe twenty something
guy or gal who wants to start a podcast. So
once they get their voice out and they they may
think twice about it when they hear stories like this.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
But well, Jean, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
For joining the show, and thank you for sharing your
experiences and that that kind of anecdote is really important
because it shows really what is at stake here. It
isn't just scaring you and your family, but it's much
more than that. It's much more mischievous. So but I'm
sure you'll be keeping people up to date on your
ungoverned podcast. Find out your favorite podcast player. Also check
out farashmedia dot com. For all all the links to
(36:27):
all the.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Work you do.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
We appreciate your your keen intellect, your sense of humor,
and of course you're great trumpetpression and keep going.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
You are unbound and we do appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Thank you very much for having me, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Your character actor of the week is Keith David. Well,
it's it for the show this week, kid notice and
I had this at Hollywoodindtoto dot com. Plug plug plug
plug that Jesus Christ films are doing quite well.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
At the box office these days.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You'll have to go to the website to find more
about that in which film is in question I'm talking about.
But isn't it fascinating in the season of Easter that
some studios are thinking about putting out faith based content
and they're getting rewarded handsomely for it. But again, I
hope everyone has a wonderful week. Stay safe, stay calm,
stay cool, don't be a Panican and
This week in the Hollywood and Total Podcast, is the
cast a fantastic for the first steps trying to crush
their own movie?
Speaker 2 (00:08):
It just seems that way.
Speaker 1 (00:10):
And we speak with podcasters Sean Faraj about his killer
Trump impression, what it's like to be swatted, and why
we have to call out people on our own side
from time to time.
Speaker 2 (00:19):
Yeah, that matters.
Speaker 1 (00:21):
He canna explain why.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Welcome to the Hollywood and Total Podcast.
Speaker 3 (00:30):
Entertainment news and reviews, without doubt, woke Hollywood, narrative, free speech,
free expression.
Speaker 2 (00:38):
Now that's entertainment.
Speaker 3 (00:40):
And here's your host, Award winning film critic Christian Toto.
Speaker 1 (00:50):
If at first you don't succeed, remake, remake again. You know,
we've had two different versions of The Fantastic Four on
the big screen.
Speaker 2 (00:58):
The first one was just success enough to.
Speaker 1 (01:00):
Warrant a sequel, and then basically the franchise shut down.
I don't think many people loved it. And of course
the second remake of that particular saga that.
Speaker 2 (01:09):
One didn't do well at all. It was a bomb
on many levels.
Speaker 1 (01:11):
No one liked it, even though I had a good cast,
including the great Miles Teller, just didn't work. Maybe turning
the thing into a body horror situation was not a
good idea when you're trying to tell a superhero story.
I'm just spitballing here, but I think that was a
that was a bad choice artistically.
Speaker 2 (01:28):
And already I'm starting to regret it.
Speaker 1 (01:31):
But now we're getting Fantastic four. A new it's called
Fantastic for the First Steps. It's coming out this summer
and it stars Vanessa Kirby and Pedro Pascal. And yes,
Pedro Pascal is in every second or third film or
TV show. But you know what, he's a good actor.
He's got presence and charm. We're going to cut him
some slack because we've got that abilities. But can't blame
(01:52):
an actor for you know, striking with the iron is hot.
It's what you got to do in Hollywood, and Pedro
Pascal is doing just that.
Speaker 3 (02:00):
You might even get sick of me.
Speaker 2 (02:02):
Now two of.
Speaker 1 (02:03):
The four main cast members are speaking out about the film,
and they're doing it in a way, well, it's going
to make your teeth hurt. It's also going to anger
Comic con Nation guaranteed got a lot And do you
really want to anger Comic con Nation?
Speaker 2 (02:17):
Because these are the folks.
Speaker 1 (02:18):
Who really truly want to see your movie, who will
be spreading the news forar and wide in social media,
and if you're not careful, and if you've got a
clunker in your hands, they'll be telling the whole world
via their YouTube videos why you should avoid this particular
movie at all costs. So putting them on blast angering
them not a good plan. It starts with Joseph Quinn,
(02:41):
the actor who will be playing the human Torch in
the upcoming movie. Here's what he had to say about
the project to the press. We were talking about previous
iterations of Johnny Storm and where we are culturally. He
was branded as this womanizing, devil may care guy. But
is that sexy the these days? I don't think so.
Speaker 3 (03:06):
You're exhausting.
Speaker 1 (03:08):
Did we learn nothing from dear miss Rachel Zegler, nothing
at all? Remember how she trashed snow White?
Speaker 2 (03:15):
At least a source material said.
Speaker 1 (03:17):
It was weird, weird, weird and stockery and dated and
dusty and old.
Speaker 2 (03:24):
And now here.
Speaker 1 (03:25):
Comes Joseph Quinn saying, yeah, you know, the source material
Fantastic four not so good.
Speaker 2 (03:30):
We made it better. Wow.
Speaker 1 (03:32):
But it's just an absolutely terrible thing to say now
he could have said, you know, this family endures, this
concept is golden. I'm so sad it took us two
other tries to get it right. But now I think
we've done it. I think the camaraderie here is going
to really make this pop off the screen. I think
we've kind of uncovered what really makes this particular superherosaga special.
Speaker 2 (03:55):
Can't wait for you to see it.
Speaker 1 (03:57):
You couldn't say that you have to attack his own carrot.
Oh my, and he wasn't alone. Kirby, who is playing
the invisible woman in the film, also had to push
her particular progressive bona fides in an interview related to
the film. Here's what she had to say. If you
(04:17):
played an exact sixties Sue today, everyone would think she
was a bit of a doormat. So figuring out how
to capture the essence of what she represented to each
generation where the gender politics were different and embody that
today was one of the greatest.
Speaker 2 (04:32):
Joys of this.
Speaker 1 (04:34):
Mind you, this movie is said in the nineteen sixties,
So for a woman Sue Storm's character to pretend that
she's in twenty twenty five, well, it makes zero sense.
I'm missing something. I don't think I am. The story
is set in the nineteen sixties. For now, it may
time travel a bit.
Speaker 2 (04:50):
We'll have to wait and see.
Speaker 1 (04:51):
But why, just why, why would you.
Speaker 2 (04:55):
Push this narrative? Now?
Speaker 1 (04:57):
There is one dirty little secret about this particular line
of reasoning is that the movies themselves often don't reflect it.
We may see fantastic for the first steps and think,
wait a minute, that actress said this, and she said that,
I don't see it on screen. I just see a
popcorn movie that I enjoyed. That's certainly possible. Actors often
(05:19):
kind of push things that they want to see in
a film where they think this is the right thing
to say. Perhaps, And a great example of this was
just from a few years ago, the Bond movie No
Time to Die, the last filmin the last film in
the saga. We have to wait many many years before
the next one comes out. But when that was in production,
when that was being stalled by COVID, when all the
(05:40):
stars and the actors and directors and all the people
behind the scenes were talking about it, all they could
do is basically play up the woke elements. This is
an empowered Bond. The women in here are stronger than ever.
This isn't the old Bond you're used to. And then
when you saw No Time to Die, which I confess
I didn't enjoy that much. I thought it was a
bit of a letdown. But it really wasn't that woke.
(06:02):
They were just making things up. They were interpreting what
they wanted to read about the film and sharing that
with the public. And that film actually underperformed. It didn't
make nearly as much money as previous Bond installments. Now
you could blame pandemic, you can blame the fact that
it was delayed. You can blame the fact that they
killed James.
Speaker 2 (06:20):
Bond, and that wasn't cool.
Speaker 1 (06:21):
Right, So you don't get a spoiler alert for a
movie that's like five or six years old. But why Well,
maybe people just heard all that woke nonsense and said,
you know what, I'll just watch my old favorite Bond
movies at home. I don't need to see this in theaters.
That very well could have happened. The movie underperformed, but
it didn't really reflect that woke framing.
Speaker 2 (06:43):
So there you have it.
Speaker 1 (06:44):
We have another case of actors sharing their views. They're
allowed to share their views, but also potentially shooting themselves
in the foot, and this is a project that needs
a lot of good will. Again, third time making the
Fantastic four, this could flop two. You don't do that.
You don't you don't put out that line of reasoning.
(07:04):
It just it doesn't make any sense. But I think
the bottom line when it comes to the Fantastic forecast
or any any members of any particular film, you just
never go to the full Rachel Zegler, it.
Speaker 2 (07:15):
Never ends well, trust me. Is that Donald Trump on
the line.
Speaker 1 (07:30):
You know, the first time I heard Sean Farash is
Trump impersonation, I thought, my gosh, that's really good. He
was doing an interview, kind of a faux interview on
the Ryan Schuling Live Show, which has heard here in
Denver on six thirty k how.
Speaker 2 (07:44):
It's a wonderful show.
Speaker 1 (07:45):
If you get a chance to check it out, either
in podcast form or you're in the greater Denver area,
please give it a listen. But what Sean does with
Donald Trump is just a little bit different than all
the people who imitate him. You know, his Trump is
unique because it doesn't feel cartoonish or exaggerated. And again,
Trump himself is larger than life and he brings that on,
but it's a more grounded Trump and more realistic Trump,
(08:09):
and it's just so darn good.
Speaker 3 (08:11):
I gotta admit you had me fooled.
Speaker 1 (08:14):
But that's just one of the things that Sean farroshe
brings to the podcasting realm. His show is Ungoverned, and
you can check it out on most podcast platforms. But
you know, it's just kind of a sign of where
he is as an entertainer that he knows to kind
of zig when everyone else is zagging. His Ungoverned podcast
lets people check out that invitation, for sure, but also
some of his thoughts on pop culture always enhanced with
(08:37):
a good, rich sense of humor. That really matters right now.
You know, anyone can pontificate on the news and the
headlines and what's going on in politics, but if you
can make it funny and relatable and charming, then that's
the sweet spot. And that's the one that Sean hits
time and time again. So Sean is having success on
the podcasting landscape, but that success sometimes comes with a cost,
(08:58):
through no fault of his own. He was recently swatted,
and if you don't know what swatted is, it's a
really terrible process where someone calls in to the police
and claims that something dramatic and terrible is happening at
your home, so the police come to your house, guns drawn,
trying to de escalate the situation or just say people
who might be in harm's way. Of course, it's all
(09:19):
a lie, and the hope is either the people in question,
the targets of the swatting are either scared to death
about the whole process sounds terrifying, or God forbids something
bad happens and maybe the person who opens the door
opens the door too quickly, Maybe something happens behind the scenes.
What if guns are drawn, what if bullets start flying.
It's just an awful, awful process. And the left has
(09:41):
been hitting people on the right with this tactic for
a while now.
Speaker 2 (09:44):
So Sean is going to share.
Speaker 1 (09:46):
More about that situation, what it was like to endure that,
and the progress that's being made right now regarding the
search for the people who made that possible terrible situation.
But Seawan is brave, shown is tough, and the reason
why he was targeted because he's effective, he's a good
communicator and sharing a right leaning perspective again with that
Trump personation. So hope you enjoy my conversation with Sean
(10:08):
Frosh funny guy, smart fellow, and let's just hope that
more incidents like that don't happen.
Speaker 2 (10:13):
We don't need that at all.
Speaker 1 (10:15):
Let's just agree to disagree, debate the issues, and hear
good smart broadcasters like Sean.
Speaker 2 (10:21):
Well, Sean, thanks for joining the show.
Speaker 1 (10:23):
You know, I think often when I talk to creators
like yourself, I just want to ask the most basic
question possible, which is how you got here.
Speaker 2 (10:30):
I mean, I think you.
Speaker 1 (10:31):
Know, when you were a younger person, I don't think
there was you know, you could be a podcast, or
you can be an influencer. You can be part of
this digital revolution. It didn't seem like the job description
that everyone was gunning for. I mean it was like
doctor lawyer, you know, usual, the usual shtick. But obviously
you're here now doing.
Speaker 2 (10:47):
What you do.
Speaker 1 (10:47):
Can you kind of give us a thumbnail sketch of
how you got to this particular part of life and
to be able to shape shape the people's minds the
way you do.
Speaker 3 (10:57):
Yeah? Sure, Well, while it might be hard to imagine,
I was always kind of a goofball in the class clown,
so shuck. Yeah, it's pretty funny. And one of my
English teachers when I was in ninth grade actually told
my mom and parent teacher conference that your son should
be a DJ, and she said, oh, thank you, he goes, No,
(11:18):
it's not a compliment. There's never any dead air, which
kind of started getting me, you know, giving me ideas. Right,
I originally wanted to be a teacher, to be honest
with you, the first couple of years in high school,
and then I started to realize maybe that's not what
I wanted to do. But I always listened to sports radio.
I was always into radio, so I just wanted to
do radio. And this is like the new version of it, right,
(11:41):
podcasting and streaming and whatnot, and terrestrial radio is still
very popular in its own right, and there are a
lot of good programs out there. But it's always something
I've wanted to do. So there are people who kind
of get thrust into like a new career and whoa,
I never thought i'd get into you know, insert career X.
But I've always wanted to do stuff like this, So
(12:03):
it's a thrill to be able to kind of, you know,
get my feet wet in it and to make the
most of it.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
When at what point in this particular journey did you
realize that, hey, not only is it intriguing to me,
not only do my skills match this kind of a gig,
but it's I'm.
Speaker 2 (12:20):
Resonating with people.
Speaker 1 (12:21):
I'm getting people to respond to me, that they're I'm
not just talking to the wall. That it's you know,
there's a healthy give and take. When did that kind
of come out?
Speaker 3 (12:29):
Well, that started in twenty twenty, actually before the whole
Trump thing really started kicking off. I never had a platform.
I worked in a paint store. I never kept to myself.
I was always very vocal online, but there was no
real reason for people to start paying attention to my
page versus other people's pages. You know, I obviously post
stuff and whatever. It was my personal social media pages.
(12:51):
It was never anything you know, that people were drawn
to necessarily. But I started doing some activism on Long
Island back when I live in New York and organizing
you know, protests that were massive, tens of thousands of
people that were attending, and so the best way for
them to keep up with when the next one was
going to be or what our next objective was was
(13:12):
through social media, so I you know, had the whole
kind of understanding on how to podcast and livestream and whatnot,
So started to centralize all that information by doing that,
and that kind of just led one thing into another.
Started to practice those different skills and those different you know, routines,
and again it turned into what it is now. Plus obviously,
(13:34):
you know, being able to be silly and goofy online
and make some funny videos and you know, do stuff
like that helps bring people in. Also, because not everybody
wants to get hit over the head with serious news
every day. They want to laugh. So it's kind of
like finding that balance. But we were able to do
that pretty well and it's worked out thus far.
Speaker 1 (13:50):
Yeah, you mentioned comedy of being so important to kind
of it's going to levens the message. It also just
give us us a break. What else have you learned
about this process? I mean, I imagine it's sort of
trial by fire. There's no real set path. You do
this and then this and then this and then you
get an audience. What's been the learning curve for you otherwise?
What you kind of kind of glean from it all
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along the way.
Speaker 3 (14:11):
Well, I mean, the learning curve. One of the most
important lessons is that everybody on the internet is sensitive.
I don't care who you who you uh, who you know,
what you say, or who you know. There are people
who you think will never get upset, and then all
of a sudden they're upset about something. So, you know,
I liked but I like to be an equal opportunity offender.
And I always tell my audience and the disclaimer that hey,
(14:33):
not everything I say is what you're going to want
to hear, right, I mean, there are going to be
opinions that we disagree on, and depending on how we
handle the disagreements, you know, will depend you know, we'll
determine our path forward. Most times it's a disagreement and it's, uh,
you know whatever, and we move on. Sometimes people get
a little worked up over it, or sometimes I get
worked up over it. It's something that is like one
of my red lines. Hey, I don't really I've told
(14:55):
people before, I don't really want you following me if
that's what you believe. That's not the type of audience
I want. And it strikes people as well. You're driving
people away. I said, well, you know, I look at
quality versus quantity, And that's really what it is. I
always tell people who are getting into it, just be yourself, right,
You're You're You're not going to be better at being
(15:15):
anybody else, but you, So just be you and and
because at the end of the day, people want to
follow you for you. They don't want to follow you
to follow somebody else. If they want to follow somebody else,
they'll follow somebody else, right, So just be yourself and
have fun, let lose uh. And you know, obviously you
don't have to divulge all of your personal information with people,
(15:37):
but just it's okay to publicly be you and uh.
And that's kind of been the model that I've used.
Sometimes it's great, sometimes it's not so great, but I
don't really care. It's like water off a ducks back
when it comes to that. I'm not going to change
because the Internet says so.
Speaker 2 (15:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (15:53):
I actually shared a little bit too much of my
kidney stone malady recently. But I think the bottom line
with the work that we do, and we work in
different arenas to a certain degree, but it's authenticity. It's
a genuine sense, and I think people really can smell
out the phony is the people who are pushing too
far or trying to jump on a cause. And I think,
you know, to me, like a Joe Rogan is a
(16:14):
great example here. He's not the best podcaster, he's not
the funniest comedian, but he really does come across as
a genuine seeker of knowledge for better and worse.
Speaker 2 (16:23):
And I think that's why he's such a huge following.
Speaker 3 (16:26):
You know, I may be the.
Speaker 1 (16:27):
Only person on the planet who doesn't do a Trump impersonation,
but you do one, and it's one of the best
I've ever heard. And I want to maybe just talk
briefly about how how you created it and why you
think it's different, because I have a sense of it.
But I'm just gonna curious your take about that, because
it is. It is different. It's really spot on, but
it feels like an impression apart from most of your peers.
Speaker 3 (16:51):
Yeah, yeah, thank you. I started doing that when I
was selling direct TV, right, Like, as I mentioned, I've
always been a clown, right, a google ball and authentic, right,
you know, so if I'm making a sales pitch, you're
gonna get me. You're not going to get this slick,
you know, you smarty like here's this used car, but
it's really the greatest car. Even though there's like scratches,
(17:13):
you don't see those. Those scratches were built into the car,
you know, like stuff like No, so I was I
would be selling direct TV on Long Island. I was
selling it, and I would get customers. And that's how
I knew Long Island was going red and that there
were there were seeds that were already planted for there
to be some sort of big Maga uprising there, which
is what happened in twenty twenty, but it was back
in like the twenty sixteen time frame, twenty fifteen twenty sixteen,
(17:35):
Trump running for president, and I would always, you know,
pitch the package, and a lot of the questions I
would get was, you know, am I going to be
able to keep Fox News? And I would just look
at these people midpitch and so I would never take
that away from you. I'd never do that. Do I
look like or sound like somebody who would do that?
Do you never do that? And they would start laughing.
You know, we're not going to keep you with Crooked Hillary.
We're not going to make you watch I call it,
(17:56):
Rachel Medka. We're not going to make you watch it, right, so,
you know I I would do that to that and
they would eat it up. It was great, right, So,
and it wasn't what it was now. It was really bad.
I heard some of my early early ones and I'm like, oh,
that's brutal. People laughed at that, right because they got
what I was trying to do. But I used it
just as a way of communicating, right, to lighten the mood. Again,
(18:19):
not everybody who gets the news wants to get hit
with a shovel every day, Not everybody who's being sold something.
First of all, people don't like being sold. Second, if
you know, I feel like if I'm entertaining the person
that I'm selling, they're not going to tune out and
just have that pre planned thing in the back of
the head. Well I'll think about I'll go home, talk
to my wife, this, that and the other. You know.
So I used it a lot to close the deal
(18:40):
or to kind of just have the customer kind of
buy into me more so than the product. And that's
where it all started, and it just progressed onward from there.
The big protests and whatnot that we did on Long Island.
I had a friend through that come to me and
say you got to do that Trump thing on TikTok
and I said, no, that's China. We don't want to
do China, right, He said that you got to go on,
(19:00):
then you got to do it. So I did it
and it took you know, he caught the world by
storm and it went all over the place. Now I
can't post a video that gets more than one hundred
views on TikTok. They banned, so I don't really even
care about that platform. I love X and shout social
and you know, rumble all these things. But but it
started off just goofing around doing my job, and it
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worked then, and it's it's working pretty well now. I'd
say this.
Speaker 1 (19:24):
May seem like a heavy question, but when you imitate someone,
you know, you did it in a very flippant way
at first. Then of course it got more serious and
you're really kind of honed in on it. But what
do you learn about someone like Trump when you're doing that,
when you're listening to his cadence, when you're checking out
his mannerisms, the way he framed sentences. Do you have
maybe a different understanding of him than most people?
Speaker 3 (19:46):
In a way I mean, maybe it's a little different
because I like him, and I think I'm biased in
that in that aspect. You know, if I heard anybody else, let's,
for instance, you know, Kamala Harris, if she tried to
do the weave right where she goes from one thing
and talks about a bunch of other things, I would
call it a word salad. So you know. But but
Trump does this weave, and I understand it because I
(20:06):
imitate him, and I do you know, I do it
all the time and it's fun, and I'm like, no,
you have to understand he's making points. But would I
make the same excuse for Kamala Harris. I probably wouldn't.
I'd be like, what is she talking about? Right? So
I kind of understand both sides of the equation there,
but I do understand it, and I you see, maybe
it's because he's from New York, you know, Queens. I'm
(20:28):
from Long Island. It's right right around the same area,
and I understand that type of you know, uh way
of communicating. Can we all talk like that? It's like,
you know, we're here, then we're out way out, all
the way out, come on back. You know. It's like
a boomerang. You throw it and it's it's way out there.
You don't know if it's coming back sometimes and then
all of a sudden it's back in your hand. So
(20:49):
I understand that from from that aspect, I actually speak
like that, but regularly, like I, this is the way
I have conversations with people, and sometimes it loses them.
I understand that too, and why it would lose people,
But I think, yeah, listening to him more and trying
to mimic everything leads to a better understanding of kind
(21:10):
of what he means. And I hate to be like that. Well,
you know, I sound like him, right, so this is
what it actually means. You know, I'm not the Trump translator,
but in a way, right, It's like I do feel
like if someone's confused about what he means, I'd be like,
you know, I think it's this, and maybe maybe I know,
maybe I don't, I don't know. I don't consider MISS
have an expert of decoding Trump, but I generally understand him.
(21:34):
You know, the first time he says something, I'm like, ah,
you know, I see where he's going with this.
Speaker 1 (21:38):
Yeah, Well, have you had the opportunity in any capacity
to trick people into thinking you were the real deal
because we have a mutual friend, Ryan Shuling is Ryan
Schuling live here in Denver, and he.
Speaker 2 (21:49):
Puts you on and plays it straight.
Speaker 1 (21:52):
And it's so interesting because like it feels like it
could have been a snippet from a real conversation. Do
you ever kind of blur those lines or try to
or is there always a moment where they kind of
there's a little bit of a tell.
Speaker 3 (22:03):
So intentionally I don't. I don't want people to intentionally
believe it's Donald Trump, but I want people to question
whether or not it's Donald Trump, right, because let's be honest.
I don't want to do anything that's going to jeopardize
his position if I started going all over the radio,
we love Russia, right, we love Russia. Russia. They're great people.
Vladimir Putin's a great guy, right, He's a wonderful guy.
(22:26):
I don't want excuse me, MSNBC or some of these
you know, lunatics to take it and be like, listen
to what Trump said. You know. I left a voicemail
on Adam Schiff's congressional phone two years ago, and I
recorded it, and immediately after leaving the voicemail, posted the
video because I did not need Trump getting in trouble
(22:49):
for the things that I said, even though it's the
same stuff that he really said, you know he bung eyes,
pencil and neck, etc. I did not need that causing
a problem for him. He's running for president, right, So
because I pushed the line, I go a little far
sometimes and because it's you know, that's what it's about,
but shocky. But I do love when I get the
comment of, hey, I heard your video playing in the
other room, and I asked, you know, my wife, husband, brother, sister, friend, whatever,
(23:13):
why is Trump saying that? And then they run in
and they see. So I love when I hear that,
and that's what I'm going for. I'm going for wait
a second, that can't be Trump. Not like I can't
believe Trump just said that about Pete Boodhage Edge or
whatever it might be. But I have received like scam calls,
you know, the car warranty and soldier and I have
(23:35):
fooled those people. I had one guy he thought he
was talking to Trump. He was like, I think I
am talking to mister Trump. And I was like, I
was like, you know who you're talking to, right, It's horrible.
What they did, you know? And I had one guy,
you know, I said, you realize you're talking to the president.
He says, so what if I am, what makes you
better than me? I said, I have much better hair,
a lot more money. Right, everybody knows these things. You're
(23:56):
probably an ugly guy. And he starts laughing. You know,
but uh, I have fooled them. But generally I'm not
going for the fool I'm going for the whoa that
sounds a lot like Trump. And then something obvious that's
really funny and silly. And I was like, Okay, this
is an impersonator, but he sounds great. Trump would say that,
or he might have at some point. You know, it
(24:18):
keeps people listening because it's like, it's not Trump, but
what's the next craziest thing that Trump is going to say?
Speaker 2 (24:24):
Yeah.
Speaker 1 (24:25):
I was listening to your show on Governed recently and
one of the things you mentioned was, and this is
something I've thought about and I struggled with sometimes, is
holding people on our side, the right side of the aisle, accountable.
And you know, in recent weeks I've been more vocal
about criticizing like a Cannice Owens, who I used to
really respect and thought was interesting, and.
Speaker 2 (24:42):
I just I think she's lost off the rails.
Speaker 1 (24:44):
To put him mildly, can you talk about that, because
I think there is the I mean, listen to tribalism.
We're so divided right now, and it's very easy for
someone like you or I to kind of go in
that direction, lean hard and let people kind of say
what they want to say and and not criticize them,
when the same time we do need to kind of
police our own and have a moral compass. I mean,
(25:06):
it's it's a weird place to be in this digital landscape,
but we have to speak up. So what are your
thoughts on that?
Speaker 3 (25:14):
Oh? Yeah, I'm glad you asked me that, because you know,
there's one thing that I really didn't like in the
twenty sixteen cycle. I remember feeling helpless, right it was
the media. It was the left, it was the mainstream media,
it was social media, it was the censorship. I couldn't
stand it. I'm like, this isn't fair. You know, we
need a new media, we need an alternative, and we
(25:37):
became the alternative. And then we have folks on our
side who whether it's pushing you know, one of the
things that drove me absolutely crazy was in December of
twenty twenty four, right after they're like, remember the drones
over New Jersey, right, that whole thing. And I'd found
an article and it said there's a military test corridor
and it opened a year ago, and I said, okay,
(25:59):
here it is. No, that can't be it. You know,
there's a nuke that's missing. And you know the Real
Housewives lady said that they're chasing this and my sources
and I'm like, you guys are all doing this for
clicks and it's disgusting. Right, this is the same thing
as you know, Trump Russia, Mike Flynn, George Papada, Like,
it's the same thing. It's just over a different no, no, no, no, no,
(26:20):
my source. You know what it wound up being the
Trump administration set. I was research research military reaches. Wow,
almost like the least sensational answer at the time was
the right answer. But between getting things wrong and everyone
gets things wrong, so it's not necessarily about that. But
when you bring up someone like a Candice Owens, that's
what really where I'm looking at right now, Going all right,
(26:42):
So the left has levied the insult of being an
anti semite in our direction. And I'm not going to
sit here right now and call Candice Owens an anti Semite.
I don't know enough about her personally to say that
she's anti Semitic. What I can say is that every
time there's a hair out of place, she and her followers,
her audience and that circle finds a way to blame Israel,
(27:04):
right even when they're not, like, for instance, with these tariffs. Right. So,
Trump was going to announce tariffs a week ago. He
announced them at four o'clock Eastern time. Before he even
announced them, Israel said, we're dropping all of our tariffs.
They went, well, why to take them so long? Well,
because Donald Trump was the first one to stand up
for them, right, stand up to them. Then after the fact,
(27:25):
it was well, he's Donald Trump is not going to
repeal the seventeen percent tariff placed on Israel because there
are still non tariff barriers, trade barriers, and a trade deficit.
So it became well, you see there's still not an ally. Okay,
So then NTNYA who goes to the White House two
days ago, sits down with Trump and says we're eliminating
all of it. Then it was back to well, why
(27:46):
did it take them so long? Guys? What can they
do for you not to criticize. I'm not saying we
can't criticize their government, but Nenya, who's not my friend.
I don't even know them. I'm saying, you know, this
is a country in the Middle East. They go, they're
not our greatest allies. Okay, well who is? They can't
answer the I don't know, but it's not Israel. Okay, well,
well you got to tell me what is. So, you know,
(28:07):
my whole thing on that is, we can't get to
that level of insert something here, derangement syndrome, right, whether
it's Trump derangement syndrome, Israel derangement syndrome, you know, whatever,
whatever it might be, you know, rational reason, logic. I
don't like when we have people who hyperventilate over a
(28:30):
boogeyman that doesn't exist. Again, I'm not saying that Israel's
perfect and that we have a beautiful, perfect, amazing relationship
with them. Are there things that need to be fixed? Sure?
Does that make them our enemy? Though? I don't think so.
And so when we have people like Owens, you know,
and several other folks in their circle and I'm just
naming Owens because you named her, and I think it's great.
(28:51):
You know, it should be called out that it's ridiculous.
You know, I'll get attacked by members of her following
and they'll be like, well, why are you wasting time
on this? And I'm like, are aren't you the people
who support the lady who just spent two months trying
to prove that the President of France's wife was a dude?
That wasn't a waste of time? Right? What good did
that do?
Speaker 1 (29:10):
Well?
Speaker 3 (29:10):
He is, okay, well, I'm glad you believe that. What
does that mean whether mccrone's wife is a man or not?
Has no Like, I don't wake up like any different
tomorrow being like, all right, he's a dude. Guys, great,
what a great day we're going to have? Like, no,
it's a beautiful day in the neighborhood, mister Rogers right, Like,
I don't care whether that person doesn't matter to me.
(29:32):
The America First crowd seems to care a lot about
a lot of other countries and not America. So it
bothers me when I see that, And it bothers me
when I see the type of filth that those folks
kind of throw around because they'll tell you, no, we're
not antye Semitic, we don't hate Jewish people. And then
I go, well, then why do you use the term
jew as an insult if you don't dislike Jewish people,
(29:52):
if it's just about the country of Israel, And then
you know, I get blocked or rumor made up about it.
So I think it is important for us to police
our own and it is important for us to weed
out that rot. Because the Left refused to weed out
the rot right, you had a festering wound on their
side with men can be women. Then it was men
(30:14):
can go in the ladies room. Then it's men can
join women's sports and brutally hurt people, and it was
never but men can't talk about abortions, but they can
give birth. So it was like this whole thing where
it got really really radical and really ugly, and that
will happen on our side if we don't get proactive
about it. Because the Left saw it and let it happen.
(30:35):
They said, Okay, those people are loud, those people get views,
let's let them go. And Frankenstein got out of the
lab and wreaked havoc I don't want that to happen
on our side, you.
Speaker 1 (30:44):
Know, and how they've lost our trust. It happened over years,
and if they were corrective forces within the mainstream legacy
media that policed their own and kind of course corrected,
we wouldn't have the situation we're in right now, where
there's new media landscape is so healthy and hearty, and
will we may suffer the same fate. I want to
(31:04):
I want to real quickly touch on it. I know
that you and your failing were swatted recently, and I
want to get into details. That's a horrible situation. But
are there any lessons there is there any progress on
finding the people? I mean, I just want to kind
of get an update on that situation and just to
let people know that this is happening. And have you
heard anything like this happening on to you know, liberal
(31:26):
influencers or talented people like yourself. I don't think I have,
but maybe you have a different answer.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Well, first of all, there's not a lot of talent
on the left, so let's let's just say that number one. No,
I haven't heard this happening to anybody on the left,
nor but I want it to right you know, cancel
culture is one of these things that was always a
bad thing. I was always one hundred percent against it,
even people like we just talked about Candice Owns. I
don't think she should be banned. I think she should
be criticized. Right, I don't think people should be banned
(31:54):
and deplatformed. I think they should take criticism and be challenged.
Because doing that, the rest of these equations, the rest
of these outcomes off the table. So let's start with
cancel culture. Because what happened first was, Okay, you're canceled,
you're off the internet. That'll do it. And then these
folks who get canceled, I've been banned off of several platforms,
find other platforms to build a following, and so you know,
(32:15):
you wind up going platform to platform building a following,
and then all of a sudden, so canceling isn't enough.
Now we have to harass, you know, now we have
to swat Fifty five percent of leftists in a new
poll just said that they would feel like it's okay
to kill Donald Trump because canceling him wasn't enough. Lawfare
wasn't enough, elections weren't enough. You know, whatever you say
(32:38):
about him isn't enough. So now they say, well we
got to this week, we got to go even further,
and now it's killing. So this all stems from it's
all fruit of the poisonous tree of cancel culture and censorship.
If we were just not censor people, there would be
no swatting. That's the whole idea. Right, we're gonna call
this in so we can intimidate you guys, your family,
(32:59):
and the twenty of us that this had happened to,
because that's that's the number that it's up to now
around twenty people on the right who have been swatted
and then sent, you know, random pizza deliveries to the
house for weeks family members. Now, my parents in New
York got pizza right in my name. I didn't order
it right. So it's all about intimidation, it's all about censorship,
(33:19):
it's all about trying to silence, and it's all fruit
of the poisonous tree known as cancel culture. It all
comes from cancel culture because the thought was we will
cancel them and that will be enough. And then when
canceling us wasn't enough, they had to go even further
to the point where yes, police showed up at my house,
surrounded the house, pointed guns at the house. We had
(33:41):
no idea what was going on. You know, it was
a very scary experience. I just talked to somebody down
my street, a little boy, you must be eleven or
so years old and or maybe maybe younger than that,
you know, and we asked them, We said, hey, you know,
what was what was your reaction? We saw that, you
know what he told me and this, this like made
me really upset. He said, I was hiding under my
(34:03):
desk crying because I didn't know if I was going
to die. And it wasn't even his house that got swatted,
but it's the first time he's ever seen that in
you know, in his neighborhood. What are we What are
we doing? Right? Is that what? And that is what
they want. They want to turn people against us. They
want to make people think we're the problem. Thankfully, we're
in Tennessee, so we've got you know, we're we're in
good company here. But I mean, if this had happened
(34:24):
in another place, who knows what would have kept going on.
So unfortunately, there's no update on it. We do know
that the FBI is looking into it. I trust new
leadership at the FBI, and I anticipate this taking a
long time because the folks who are doing this, you know,
either got a burner phone or when they're calling in
these pizza orders or ordering them, they're doing it online
with the VPN making it very hard to trace. And
(34:45):
and I'm not anti those things, VPNs and whatnot. I
love privacy, but on the flip side, it could be
used for bad things. Uh. And I hope that they eventually,
I think they will make a slip. They'll get sloppy
like every you know, every criminal does. They get sloppy,
and then they'll get pinched and that'll be the end
of it, and they'll be held accountable and treated as
(35:05):
domestic terrorists because what happened was terrorism, and it wasn't
just for me and my wife and the three cats
that are in his house that are still scared. You
know what. List when somebody walks in, they don't know,
they think it's the cops again. But to the folks
on the street, terrified of what was going on, this
kid telling me he was hiding under his desk, you know,
(35:26):
crying because he thought he was going to get killed.
That's not what I want to hear, and you know,
and that's sad. He doesn't deserve that. These families that
live in this in this neighborhood don't deserve that because
some leftist on the internet doesn't like what I say.
But again, it's all fruit of the poisonous tree of
cancel culture, and that's where that's the root of the problem.
(35:48):
We want to end these issues, take down cancel culture
once and for all. That's how it gets done.
Speaker 1 (35:53):
Yeah, and by the way, you know, that's a message
they're trying to send to the next maybe twenty something
guy or gal who wants to start a podcast. So
once they get their voice out and they they may
think twice about it when they hear stories like this.
Speaker 2 (36:04):
But well, Jean, thank you.
Speaker 1 (36:05):
For joining the show, and thank you for sharing your
experiences and that that kind of anecdote is really important
because it shows really what is at stake here. It
isn't just scaring you and your family, but it's much
more than that. It's much more mischievous. So but I'm
sure you'll be keeping people up to date on your
ungoverned podcast. Find out your favorite podcast player. Also check
out farashmedia dot com. For all all the links to
(36:27):
all the.
Speaker 2 (36:27):
Work you do.
Speaker 1 (36:28):
We appreciate your your keen intellect, your sense of humor,
and of course you're great trumpetpression and keep going.
Speaker 2 (36:34):
You are unbound and we do appreciate that.
Speaker 3 (36:37):
Thank you very much for having me, really appreciate it.
Speaker 1 (36:54):
Your character actor of the week is Keith David. Well,
it's it for the show this week, kid notice and
I had this at Hollywoodindtoto dot com. Plug plug plug
plug that Jesus Christ films are doing quite well.
Speaker 2 (37:07):
At the box office these days.
Speaker 1 (37:09):
You'll have to go to the website to find more
about that in which film is in question I'm talking about.
But isn't it fascinating in the season of Easter that
some studios are thinking about putting out faith based content
and they're getting rewarded handsomely for it. But again, I
hope everyone has a wonderful week. Stay safe, stay calm,
stay cool, don't be a Panican and
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