HiT 296: Bruce Springsteen's Blue-Collar Betrayal

In this hard-hitting episode of The Hollywood in Toto Podcast, host Christian Toto exposes how once-revered celebrities are undermining their legacies in the name of political virtue signaling. 🎸 Case in point: Bruce Springsteen. Known as The Boss and once a symbol of blue-collar America, Springsteen has taken a sharp turn, bashing the very country—and fans—that built his career. Now he's criticizing America and Donald Trump during international concerts. Here’s why that message is not only tone-deaf but damaging.

Then, Christian sits down with Patrick Courrielche, co-host of the hit storytelling podcast Red Pilled America. Modeled after NPR’s narrative style—but without the media bias—Red Pilled America dives into real stories the mainstream media ignores. Patrick shares behind-the-scenes insights into how the show is made, its viral success, and what to expect from upcoming episodes.

🔥 Episode Highlights:

How Bruce Springsteen is alienating longtime fans

Why celebrity activism often backfires

The rise of independent storytelling through Red Pilled America

How Patrick Courrielche is challenging the legacy media with truth-driven content

If you're tired of Hollywood hypocrisy and crave compelling, uncensored storytelling, this episode is for you. 👉 Subscribe, rate, and review The Hollywood in Toto Podcast—where culture meets truth.

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
This week on the Hollywood and Total Podcast, the Boss
is back on tour and Bruce Springsteen is doing the
most Unamerican thing possible overseas. We'll explain, and we talked
to the co host of Red Pilled America Patrick CARELCI. Now,
Red Pilled America is like NPR but for the right,
and they back up their storytelling with the truth.

Speaker 2 (00:20):
Ah.

Speaker 1 (00:21):
How refreshing. Welcome to the Hollywood and Toto Podcast. Entertainment
news and reviews without the woke Hollywood narrative.

Speaker 2 (00:35):
Free speech, free expression. Now that's entertainment, and here's your host.

Speaker 1 (00:42):
Oh Board winning film critic Christian Toto. Legacies are precious.
You know, you hate to see a great ball player
play beyond his time, where you know the skills have faded.
He's just not the same hitter he used to be,
but he keeps on keeping on because he just can't

(01:02):
give up the dream. You understand it, but it hurts
to watch. I remember a couple of years ago watching
Clint Eastwood in Crimacho. It was a western ish kind
of story, but it was certainly leagues beneath his talents.
That was tough to watch too. He's the greatest. You
don't want to see him in that capacity. And by
the same token, we're seeing some pop culture superstars essentially

(01:25):
destroying their legacies in real time. The first one that
comes to mind for me is Howard Stern. Now, I
grew up in New York. I loved Howard Stern. You
can judge me all you want, but I just thought
he was an absolute breath of fresh air. He deconstructed radio,
kind of showed us the behind the scenes, look at
what happens with the show like that amazing interviews. Yes,

(01:45):
he was raunchy and body and out of control. I
get all those things, but listen, I was younger. It
appealed to me. It seemed revolutionary at the time. And
the one thing that he really focused on, he really
drilled down on, was free speech. Ah, I don't know
what babba bo means. Actually, now, it was personal to him.
The FCC was always fighting him, attacking him. There were

(02:07):
different groups trying to shut him down. So he took
it personally and I get that. And then in the
last few years or so, I've drifted away from his show.
It just didn't connect with me the same way. But
more importantly, we faced a new dilemma when it came
to free speech. It wasn't about radio or shock jocks.
It was about the woke mindset.

Speaker 2 (02:28):
You can't say that.

Speaker 1 (02:30):
It was about cancel culture. It was about comedians being
told you can't tell that joke or there's going to
be consequences. And I thought, well, who better than Howard
Stern to weigh in to fight that good fight. He's
done it before, he'll do it again. Instead, he went
whisper quiet. Matter of fact, he became part of the machine,
part of the blob, if you will. Didn't seem to

(02:51):
care about cancel culture, but he certainly cared about promoting
Democrats during election cycles. He had on President Joe Biden
a single question about his diminishmental capabilities, even though we
all saw it. And of course he had on Vice
President Kamala Harris again to push the Democrats over the
finished line. Instead of being a reverend, instead of speaking

(03:13):
truth to power, instead of being the Howard Stern that
I knew at loved for years and years, now, this
Howie was way different. He liked being the center of attention.
He liked being accepted by the cool kids in Hollywood.
In a way, he's become almost a parody of what
he once was. And you know, I just wish he
would have retired years ago before we saw this side

(03:35):
of Howard Stern. Another example is Neil Young, the great
classic rocker. You know, he was all about free speech
in the sixties and seventies. He went on a free
speech specific tour in the two thousands during the George
Bush years, so he really cared about speech. And of
course he was a great musician, no doubt about it.
And then during the pandemic he raised his hand and said, hey,

(03:58):
wait a minute, I've heard Joe on Spotify and he's
sharing the wrong information and the wrong opinions on the
COVID nineteen virus. And you know what, you've got to
fire him. And if you don't fire him, Spotify, I'm
taking my glorious music off your platform. Now. There's a
lot of things wrong with that from a free speech perspective,

(04:19):
for sure, but also, as it turns out, Rogan was
more right than wrong, and the mainstream media was more
wrong than right. And yet he didn't complain about the
mainstream media and some of the narratives they were sharing.
He was complaining about Joe Rogan him on me In
and and of course eventually he put his music back

(04:39):
on Spotify. Joe Rogan just got bigger and bigger along
the way, and the legacy of Neil Young took a
significant hit. And that's a shame. And that brings us
to the Boss, Bruce Springsteen. Bruce Springsteen has been chipping
away at his legacy for some time now. Now. A
few years ago he went back on tour and turns

(05:01):
out that ticket prices were exorbitantly hot. Huge. Now you
could say he's the boss, he's a legend, he's an icon.
It's worth every penny. But what about his fans, those
blue collar types, the one he's been singing to. He's
been singing about the working man's blues for decades. Now.
Doesn't he care that they can't afford to see him anymore?
Isn't that a problem? And at the time he shoved

(05:24):
the controversy off to his manager, who did some tap
dancing on his behalf, and then later Bruce Springsten said, Hey,
I'm just doing what my peers are doing. You know what,
I'm seventy three years old. I'm hustling my tailoff, and
he does, and there's no doubt about it. But does
he need all those profits? Doesn't a working man, a
blue collar hero, understand what's going on in the culture

(05:48):
and that his fans, his true blue fans, maybe couldn't
afford even the cheap seats will have a couponde or something.
He didn't care. Of course, now the boss is overseas
and he's trashing the country that he calls home, the
United States, and more specifically Donald Trump. Here's what he

(06:09):
had to say in my home, the America, I love
the America I've written about that has been a beacon
of hope and liberty for two hundred and fifty years.
It's currently in the hands of a corrupt, incompetent, and
treasonous administration. Tonight we ask all who believe in democracy
and the best of our American experiment to rise with
us and raise your voice against authoritarianism and let freedom ring.

(06:32):
Huh interesting A doing it overseas certainly not cool. Not
the decorum you'd expect from an icon like Bruce Springsteen. Also,
what about the last president, the incompetent one, the one
who's cognitive decline we can all suddenly talk about. Did
Bruce Springsteen say a syllable about President Biden for the

(06:53):
past four plus years. If he did, I didn't hear it.
I don't think you heard it either. It's the sounds
of silence. Nothing Springsteen didn't pipe up about wokeness, about
cancel culture, about the Twitter files, about the Biden administration
trying to strangle big tech platforms so we can't say
what we want to say none of it. Didn't say

(07:13):
a peep, didn't say a peep about the Afghanistan withdrawal.
And I could go on and on and on. You know,
in an alternate universe where there's still a Springsteen, he
might be writing a song, a powerful ballad about the
late Lake and Riley and what happened to her when
Open Bordermania hit the United States. Just terrible. And by

(07:34):
the way, some of his anti trub statements were made
in England, where if you share the wrong social media
post you could be arrested. You would think that someone
like Bruce Springsteen, this artist, the standard bearer for Western culture,
might weigh in on that. No, absolutely not. And of course,
worst of all, he did all of this overseas, not

(07:57):
in America. Two reasons there, that's a one is you know,
I suspect, given Trump's rising popularity, that he might not
be greeted with all the cheers and ATA boys that
he expects from his blue collar fans. He might have
a few Trump Fans in his audience and it may
not go well. I don't think he's going to do
those spiels when he gets back to the United States.

(08:18):
Just a thought, just a hunch. And by the way,
you never go to the full Dixie Chicks, you know that.
Of course, the Dixie Chicks railed against President George W.
Bush at the store of the Iraq War period. And
you can love the Iraq War, you can hate the
Iraq War, no matter what you think about it. Going
overseas and blasting the president not exactly what many people do.
It just doesn't work out well, and of course their

(08:41):
career really never recovered from that situation. No, I don't
think that's going to happen to the Boss. He's still
just too big, too much of an iconic performer. But
certainly his legacy is being chipped away brick by brick,
and he's doing it by himself. So you would think
that a guy likes Springsteen would never go to the
full Dixie Chicks, but he did. But then again, Bruce

(09:05):
Springsteen doesn't even know his own brand. That's just a shame.
Say what you will about NPR, and there is a
lot to say about it, from please dear Lord defund
it right now, from the government's teat to the fact

(09:27):
that they don't really cover the news in a fair fashion.
But boy, that programming sounds amazing, those soothing voices, the
great production values, it's a first class operation. Without getting
into the actual meat and potatoes or the content. Now,
for years, the right had nothing of the kind, nothing
NPR esque that they could share, that they could talk about,

(09:50):
that they could enjoy either on radio or in podcast format.
But of course along comes red Filt America and changes everything.
They have an NPR presentation, great production values, thoughtful programming,
and it is a right leaning podcast, no doubt. And
you know what, the storytelling has the truth behind it,

(10:10):
it has honesty behind it. It's good stuff, and it's
unlike anything else in the podcast space, especially from the right.
We've got great broadcasters, the Ben Shapiro's of the world,
chicks on the right, so many people you can enjoy
on the podcast format. But boy, there's nothing quite like
Red Piled America. Still, they're all alone, and boy, they're
good enough to kind of hold the fourth down, that's

(10:32):
for sure. Of course, the podcast is co hosted by
Patrick Carelchi and Adriana Cortes, the husband and wife duo
who swapped duties on air. And of course they've got
their fam Boogie section, which is a secondary show where
they talk about the news of the day and they
get a little more personal on that program as well.
But the meat and potatoes of Red Pilt America is
the storytelling, the narratives, programming that often comes in multiple

(10:54):
parts that really digs deep into the issues in question,
reveals stories that you've never heard before. Four offers perspectives
you don't get in the mainstream media. It is essential listening.
If you're not listening right now, if you haven't subscribed,
oh please go do that, even before you listen to
the conversation. Now. I know Patrick is a busy guy.
We've kind of known each other kind of behind the

(11:14):
scenes for years, and I know he's just working around
the clock to make a show like this possible. It
is intense operation to get the sound, to get the facts,
to get the research, to make it sound as beautiful
as Red Pilt America does sound. So I've just grabbed
to kind of wrest him away from the microphone his
microphone and get him on this show because he, like
few others on the conservative movement, understands pop culture, the media, Hollywood,

(11:39):
and many more adjacent issues. So hope you enjoy the
conversation with Patrick. He has some great insights into the show,
how it's grown, thank goodness, and what could be coming
next at Red Piled America. Hope you enjoy the chat.
I know I do, and boy, just go and subscribe.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
You will regret it.

Speaker 1 (11:54):
Patrick, welcome back to the show. You know I've been
following your work for years and I know just surviving,
let alone thriving in the podcast landscape can be brutal.
So let's get a state of the Union type update
on Red Pilled America. How you've grown, how it's expanded,
what's different today? I mean to me, it's the same,
great storytelling. I love the theme song. It's the same,

(12:17):
really dense narratives that have a lot of information, which
I'm sure is tortures put together from a production point
of view. But you tell me how things have changed, grown,
what's different, what's new? You know this is your baby.

Speaker 3 (12:31):
Thank you so much, Christian, And you know what, I
have to thank you. You've probably been the single media
personality that has been with us from the beginning and
promoted the show. You're a rare breed out there, so
I want to thank you for that. We need more
of you.

Speaker 1 (12:50):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (12:51):
We launched in November November one, twenty eighteen, and I
initially thought we were you know, I thought we were
almost dead on arrival. Within our first couple of months,
I just was was disheartened by how difficult it was

(13:12):
to break through all of the media landscape that's out there.
There's just so much going on. But we at the
very beginning, we got a very nice following, very devoted following,
and they came to our rescue. At one point we

(13:33):
thought we were going to have to stop the show.
I think we were about maybe three or four months
in and turned them and said, we need you guys help.
We're going to do this series on that tells the
story of American manufacturing, and we're going to do it
by telling the story of the American baseball cap. And
we made a baseball cap and they came to our

(13:56):
they saved us, and so from there we can kind
of just continued on. And I think when we initially launched,
the cancel culture thing was really big and that ended
up taking up so much of our content at the time.
A lot of our storytelling was around that, and I'd say,
you know, that has changed over the course of the

(14:18):
last couple of years thanks to you know, people like
Elon Musk, who who got X has kind of led
the charge on that. And I think even platforms like
YouTube have gotten better. I think a lot of people
dis YouTube, but they have definitely gotten better about allowing
the Overton window to open up a little bit.

Speaker 1 (14:40):
I agree it was pretty bad for a while, though,
I will.

Speaker 3 (14:42):
Say, oh it was. It was horrendous and you just
saw you know, left and right people going and and
so you know, but but I think the show got
has gotten a lot better. We've you know, I was
told by one of the founders of Friends of Abe,
which is a kind of that secret Hollywood group that's
no funk now, but it was kind of big when
in two thousand and nine to let's say, I don't know,

(15:05):
maybe around the time Trump, you know, came around and
I was told by him, you know, in order to
get good at writing, you have to do it every
single day. And I didn't quite I didn't even really
ask him that question, but he he that was the
answer that he heard quite a different question, and he
answered that question. And I really took that to heart,

(15:27):
and I learned that every day it's an everyday thing
you really have to be committed to. It's like running,
and it never gets easy. If if you're any oldest
runners or joggers out there, every time you put those
shoes on and you lace up and you go out
and run, it's hard every single time, but it's so
rewarding at the very end. So you know, luckily I

(15:50):
learned that from Lloyd chetwynd very early on and kind
of stayed committed to it. So you know, now we
do a lot of We still do that at the time.
At the very beginning, we did a lot of like
one episode, one off episodes, and we still do that,
but we've kind of started leaning more towards the series
type of episode series kind of format where we're telling

(16:13):
a doing a deeper dive into series or into into topics.
We've done that with during the election we started you
know Which Way America kind of a series that we're
probably going to be doing every election cycle where we
kind of look at both candidates and kind of give
an overview of what they stand for, and then tell

(16:37):
the story behind each candidate. We've we did one behind
the La Fires that happened at the beginning of this year,
and now we're on this series What's an American that's
kind of looking into American citizenship, and we're doing a
deep dive into American citizenship and trying to kind of
as easy as that question sounds, what's an American, it

(16:57):
was so much harder to answer it when you're actually
sit there and look at it.

Speaker 1 (17:02):
And so it's a fascinating journey, I mean, but it's
also so instructive. I'm listening to it now, and you know,
that's the kind of thing. Honestly, that's what sixty minutes
should be doing. That's what some of these longer form
news formats these August with all these resources at their disposal,
they should be telling that story. And the fact that
you know, a fairly new media enterprise like Red Pilled

(17:23):
America is doing it in a way maybe it speaks.

Speaker 3 (17:26):
Volumes yeah, you know, I think Frontline does do that.
Sometimes they are one sided. I have enjoyed the Frontline
series on PBS throughout the years, but yeah, I agree
with you. They should be doing more of it, especially
when they're taking taxpayer dollars. They have the funds to
do it. And that's been one of the things that's
been so surprising to me is that we thought, initially

(17:50):
after the first six months, we were going to have,
you know, a bunch of copycats of the show, and
you know, here we are now six and a half
years later, and there's.

Speaker 2 (18:00):
Almost there's nothing.

Speaker 3 (18:01):
I mean, there's a few, like you'll have guys like
Andrew Claven will do a series and you'll have you'll
have a guy Wittle.

Speaker 1 (18:09):
I think maybe he's done something.

Speaker 3 (18:11):
I'm sorry, yes, I don't, no Wittle exactly, that's what
that's the name I was thinking of. So he's done
some series as well as well. And so there has
been some out there, but nothing on a consistent basis
to where you're constantly putting it out And I understand why.
I mean, there's a reason why, you know, sitcoms do
like twenty two episodes a year, you know, and then

(18:31):
have to take a huge break is because it's incredibly
hard to write a script like in the way that
we do. It's not just kind of getting on and
kind of speaking off the cuff. We're having to do research.
You're having to you know, find archival stuff, and there
are audio documentaries, that's what we call them. And so
it is very difficult to do. And I understand why

(18:51):
now we didn't have a bunch of copycats doing it.
I think we will, you know, in the course of
the next couple of years, once people kind of catch on.
We're kind of this kind of a almost like a
little secret still, you know we are because.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
We're audio only.

Speaker 3 (19:08):
We're not on like the kind of video heavy platforms,
and people don't. I don't think people understand the success
that we've been having. We've been able to make a
very good living doing this and it's only gotten better
over the years, and it's going to get better.

Speaker 2 (19:25):
We're actually going to start.

Speaker 3 (19:27):
Busting out into YouTube and into video within the next
couple months and so, but I think because we've only
been audio only, I think we've been kind of a
little kind of one of those best kept secrets to
a lot of the media.

Speaker 2 (19:39):
People that are out there well.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
I think also podcasts and radio before it, there's a
loyalty that's built in. I mean it sounds like you
established it pretty early, which is rare and wonderful. But
also you know, it's the reason why you have no
imitators is because it's really hard, because you have the
chops and you've got the determination and listen I crack
wise on a video podcast now the war. I mean,
I listened to your shows and as much as I

(20:02):
enjoy and there's a little part of me that is
the producer's side, thinking, oh my gosh, the work, the research,
the I mean, I could just sense it, and you know,
I've spoken to you behind the scenes, so I got
to know what's going on. Give us a little peak
at the What's an American series as far as maybe
what people would be surprised to learn throughout that three
part saga, because I mean there's so much information. I'm

(20:23):
not going to spoil anything because you have to listen
to it all. Give us a little teaser of what
maybe you were surprised by when you dug deep into
the research.

Speaker 3 (20:31):
You know, it's one of those things where so we
were kind of inspired by the events that happened at
the end of Christmas of twenty twenty four where there
was this big kind of discussion on H one B
visas and it's the question of what's an American came
out of that, and so we decided to dig deep
into it. And one of the things that kind of
has popped out is is this the fact that when

(20:55):
we spoke to a lot of our listeners, they were
very opened about what American citizenship meant. A lot of
them were actually I'd say a lot of them aligned
with more of my view of of kind of like
very protective and America kind of focused and you know,
one hundred percent allegiance to America, but there was a

(21:17):
lot of openness to kind of dual citizenship and and
and you know, and even like you know, professing allegiance
you know, out there to other countries. I don't think
people quite understood the aspect of what dual citizenship means,
the fact that that that a congress can be can
be dual citizens Can you imagine you know, congressmen in Washington,

(21:40):
d C. Actually being a citizen of another country and
having allegiance within the country and at the same time
developing policies that affect are both domestic and foreign policy.
I thought that was kind of a surprising thing, and
so we we dug into that topic a little bit
and learned that Congress does not have to divulge whether

(22:03):
they are a citizen of another country, which was very
surprising to me. And there's no real way to kind
of get a gauge of how many congressmen have a
dual citizenship. So what you have to do is look
at dull citizenship eligibility. And I was actually really surprised
a lot of people, you know, kind of knock Israel

(22:23):
and say, oh, they have too much power in Washington,
D C. It was surprised to learn that it was
actually Mexico that had more representation in Washington, D C.

Speaker 2 (22:35):
Than Israel.

Speaker 3 (22:36):
The European Union had more representation than Israel. And that's
not to say that they're you know that some of
these you know, foreign entities don't have you know, sway,
And I'm not saying that in Washington, D C. And
I'm not saying that about Israel as well, But so
many people are so focused on that and they're looking
and they're missing all these other things we're out there.

(22:58):
So that was one surprising that we found. Another surprising
thing we found is just the founding of America. I
think so many of us have learned, and this is
really kind of looking at the education system and how
so many kind of on the writer conservatives or Republicans
have kind of exited the institutions and allowed these kinds
of leftists to come in and take over the institutions

(23:23):
and define our history. And so what you learn is
when you look at the history of America is that
a lot of people say that it was based on racism,
and there was definitely some race aspects to it, but
people forget the context of what was happening at the
time of our founding in regards to why they were

(23:43):
focusing on a certain inspiring or i should say, incentivizing
a certain group to immigrate in the United States. And
that was because they were persecuted in Europe and they
were concerned with their survival. They in the same way
that let's say the Jews are concerned with their survival

(24:04):
and wanted to create a state for the Jews in Israel.
Americans and Protestants in particular, we were almost ninety or
over ninety eight percent Protestant country. At our founding, they
were concerned they have the memory of their ancestors being
burned at the stake in Europe, and they wanted to
have people that immigrated in the United States that matched

(24:26):
with them fit in culturally, which is why the language
was written a certain the way that it was. So
that was kind of a very surprising thing to learn
because I was always told and I have some Mexican heritage.
My parents are from my grandparents are from Mexico City
and Durango, and so I was kind of learned at

(24:47):
a very young age that that so much of the
foundations of America was built on racism, But I think
it was more built on survival and a desire to
create a culture that didn't persecute them in the way
that they were persecuted in Europe through these kinds of
you know, religious conflicts that were happening.

Speaker 1 (25:08):
And I think that's the kind of thing that would
never ever make a feature film. So we kind of
need alternate resources to find out these kinds of information.
By the way, over the years, and maybe even thinking
more recently, what are the episodes or themes that have
ruffled the most feathers or gotten the most reaction, and
is that something you lean into or is it just
impossible to predict.

Speaker 3 (25:27):
You know, it is kind of hard to predict, but
you do get a gauged I'd say the biggest thing
that we've had that we had that was kind of
that got caused the most noise, that was a kind
of a surprise to me at first was when we
we did a deep dive into the Sound of Freedom.
I was very surprised to learn about the.

Speaker 2 (25:51):
Something that's probably gonna upset some of your listeners.

Speaker 1 (25:53):
No, it's okay, go go go.

Speaker 2 (25:55):
Yeah.

Speaker 3 (25:56):
So it was one of those things where we started
off as a friendly review, just try to do like
what you do. We're trying to promote a movie, and
we're really excited about this Christian themed kind of film,
that kind of subtly Christian themed film, and so we
started doing a deep dive into it to do a
almost kind of a puff piece, you know. And and
when we started to dig into it, we learned that

(26:19):
about the about Tim Ballard and his past and that
some of the story that he was telling was fabricated,
and it was very kind of it wasn't just little
minor things that like with every kind of television and
mavor movie thing, it was major things like this, like
the kid that gave him the dog tag was that,

(26:43):
according to court documents, never happened. And so we kind
of took it from there and dug deep into that.
And it was one of those things where like, Okay,
if we are supposed to be one of the things
that we promised, the only thing that we promised for
the show is to tell the truth. And so if
we're digging into this thing, how do we and we
find it? How are we not supposed to kind of

(27:04):
dig deep into it? And that one was a very
tough story because it started to touch on people that
I respect, like clam clam Beck who'd close association with
Tim Ballard, and we kind of were having a very
hard time finding a single person that this man has
saved or excuse me, I should say child, that this
man has saved. And so we started to divulge that

(27:26):
information and show court documents and get very like, you know,
we got a Freedom of Information Act and found documents
that he authored Tim Ballard while he was at while
he was working for the federal government and in his
own writing would say that he didn't speak to the
person that he this child that he said that he
had this you know, very emotional moment with the audience

(27:48):
was was it was almost like I we stung them by,
you know, it was like they couldn't believe that. And
they at first they were like, oh, you guys are jealous.
You know, we're just jealous of the success of this movie. No,
we actually started off to being a puff piece on
this show. And so you know, we've had people we've

(28:09):
had before we start doing the show.

Speaker 2 (28:11):
We've had a lot of success.

Speaker 3 (28:12):
In Hollywood, so it was not something that we were
you know, we've done shows on other movies that have
that we've promoted, you know, throughout the years, whether it
be Nick Sears's movie or whether it be unplanned or
I mean just you can go down the line of
movies that we've promoted, Mel Gibson flicks and what have you. So,
but the reaction to that was very surprising. But I

(28:33):
will say that once we got through it all and
we gave all of the information, we had so many
people come back to us and say, you know what,
We're sorry. Our audience got so much more solid after that.

Speaker 2 (28:46):
I mean, we have like some real we call it
the fan Bam.

Speaker 3 (28:48):
We have a very like devoted audience because of that moment,
because so many people felt like, oh God, we were
fooled by this and thank you for sticking to your
guns on this. So that one, I would say, is
probably the biggest one, the rough the most feathers.

Speaker 1 (29:00):
I want to share a couple of thoughts. One is
I know Andrew claven was he chased some people away
after twenty twenty twenty election when he didn't think there
was enough facts to say that Trump had really won
the election, And he's openly talked about how he lost fans,
and he think they he thinks a lot of them
came back after they realized he was just telling from
the best of his perspective of the best facts at
his disposal. But also, I was fascinated by your show's

(29:23):
journey in that regard. And by the way, I'm going
to imagine you have to be a subscriber to go
back to those old episodes. Is that correct?

Speaker 2 (29:29):
Yeah, we do.

Speaker 3 (29:29):
We play a rerun every week. We have over two
hundred and yeah, closing on two hundred and ten episodes.

Speaker 1 (29:35):
So yeah, But was so fascinating about that particular moment
in time from a journalistic point of view, is that
the press was so eager to ransack that movie in
any way possible. They beclown themselves so aggressively by taking
these silly attacks, when all he needed to do is
to dig into what you did and maybe build upon it,

(29:55):
share it, do their own research based on the nuggets
you found. I never did it, so that was fascinating.
And again, because your team has the ability to go
through court documents, and I'm not an investigative reporter, right,
I just couldn't do it, but you can. That's a
critical moment, and it's I met someone recently who works
in this conservative media space and it was a New

(30:17):
Year's party and he said to me, punch up. That
was his advice to me. And I think you did that,
and I think you came out stronger for it. So
kudos on that. And again, you can like the movie
and appreciate the fact that it had certain values, but
there's a story behind the movie and the fact that
you investigated it with courage it means something. I'm curious
from your perspective, You're you're not a new journalist, you'd

(30:39):
be doing this for years, even before Red pilled America.
What have you learned either about journalism or about the
culture at large through this whole journey? Because I feel
like you're in the belly of the beast, you're making
these shows. But can you step back and think, what
have I learned about about life or culture or something
just because I've been through this journey?

Speaker 3 (30:59):
Well, you know what I have seen as the change
in media over the course of say the Andrews early days.
You know, I for your listeners that don't know me.
In two thousand and nine, I wrote a piece for
Breitbart News that was their first national national story. It
was a story about the National domit for the Arts,

(31:21):
and Obama's attempt to use it to change the change
the narrative on his Obamacare. And I caught the National
domat for the Arts kind of getting all these artists
together and trying to get them to create art to
help change that narrative. And that was a yeah, and
it was a violation of the Hatch Act, and it

(31:43):
forced the story that we did with brip Art. It
forced the resignation of Obama appointee, and at that point
in time, it was set conservative media was so it
was burgeoning.

Speaker 2 (31:58):
It was really trying.

Speaker 3 (31:59):
To take on the the the legacy media and trying
to force them to tell the truth and not be
so tribal. Fast forward to today, and what I've seen
with social media is that the rise of conspiracy theory
has been so prevalent now and you have these major

(32:22):
conspiracy guys like Ian Carroll who have gotten have made
a huge platform for themselves questioning everything. And I put
a lot of the the this on the the legacy media.

Speaker 1 (32:39):
They have.

Speaker 3 (32:40):
They have made it such that it we want to
question everything that's ever happened. But there is the there
are people out there like Ian Carroll who have taken
advantage of that. Now now they've taken advantage of this
distrust in the legacy media and go out like I
saw him on on The Rogan Show basically arguing that

(33:03):
that Andrew Breitbart was assassinated and that and hasn't done
very much, you know, research into it, obviously, because the
people that are probably the biggest protectors of Andrew would
have dug into that question. Everybody that was close to
Andrew knew that he was having heart problems, he was
having health issues, and that is why he passed. But

(33:27):
you have a guy like that stepping through. So to
get to your point, there is a huge amount of
conspiracy theory media out there now that used to be
kind of left to the Alex Joneses of the world,
but are now have become these mainstream kind of are

(33:47):
they're they're entering the mainstream of social media. That has
been troubling because it kind of goes against everything that
Andrew Breitbart worked for and that all of these early
conservative kind of investigation of journalists have fought against. And
it's become more performative and less informational. And I think

(34:08):
that that is a big, big problem that we're having
to deal with now. I don't you know, by saying this,
I'm not saying that these people should be canceled or
or be deplatformed, but when they come out with this crap,
they should be directly argued against and directly refuted and

(34:28):
point by point, you know, tackle each one of these
falsehoods that they put out there into the public. But
it's become this kind of a thing where you it's
become so prevalent now and I don't know how we,
you know, put that toothbassee back in the tube.

Speaker 1 (34:45):
Yeah, I mean, Alex Jones must be kicking himself because
he's no longer. He's no longer than guy in this arena.
He's got a lot of company. I don't know if
it's an exact quote. I think Andrew Breitbart. One of
the things he said was more voices, not less. So
that's the answer to that situation for sure. But I
agree and listen, I am lead least conspiratorial person on
the planet, and even I am looking around and learning

(35:05):
what I've learned over the last five years and thinking,
wait a minute, so I get the atmosphere we're involved with,
but we do have to stick to the fact why
it's so important. One last question, and actually I listened
to a recent episode of your fan Boogie sort of
I guess, I don't know. You call it a sidebar,
a sort of self a metal show, but you were
naming some conservative pundits and your level of trust to them.

(35:26):
I thought that was so interesting. I talk about fam
Boogie and how to me it's like going behind the scenes,
and I love that because sometimes I'm in a car
for an hour then I'll put on your show show.
But if I don't have enough time, I'll put on
like a fan boogie episode and go, okay, quick bites.
Talk a little bit about sort of that newer endeavor.

Speaker 3 (35:44):
Yeah, we know, we started doing We did it early
on where it was just purely backstage. It was kind
of like a behind the scenes for every episode, and
then the show kind of the production for the show
got so overwhelming that we couldn't do it on a
regular basis. Now we've decided, you know what, we need
to do it more often, do it consistently. So we
do it every Friday, and it's kind of touching on

(36:04):
cultural topics or things that kind of the narrative that's
out there in media, and it's kind of a way
for people to hear us outside of the show. The
show is very you know, our regular audio documentary series
is very regimented, but this gives us and we also
get a lot of times where people want to just
hear our take on things and so, and I think

(36:26):
that is kind of the the the standard form of
media within conservative media is kind of kind of you know,
topic looking at these topics and commenting on these topics.

Speaker 2 (36:36):
So yeah, we've we've.

Speaker 3 (36:37):
Been trying because We've been seeing so much of this
conspiracy theory stuff happening on the right, we almost felt
an obligation to come out on a weekly basis and
kind of address these things. So a lot of times
people will say, oh, man, you're only punching conservatives and
and you're only coming out because well, we already know
about the left. We already know about MSNBC, we already
know about CNN. There's plenty of people doing that. The

(36:58):
only way to really create an ecosystem that's healthy and
to solve the problem of the legacy media is to
make sure that we keep our side on check. And
when you have these figures that come forward and either
make mistakes and don't correct them, and that's really all
we're asking to do.

Speaker 2 (37:18):
It's like when people make mistakes, correct them.

Speaker 3 (37:21):
That's the biggest I mean, none of us would exist
if CNN, MSNBC, ABC News, CBS News, NBC News, if
they just corrected the record when they made a mistake.
Now this whole alt media would not even be alive.
So but at the same time, we can't replace that

(37:41):
with all of these conspiratorial figures. We feel an obligation
as kind of disciples of Andree Breiitbart to call it
out when it happens, and so that's part of the
I'd say that's one of the main emphastus behind impetus
is behind this behind famboogie to kind of to keep
Andrew Breitbart's legacy alive and to make sure that if

(38:07):
we're going to replacing replace legacy media, we replace it
with something that is a solution and is something better
than what's been out there for the course the last
couple of decades.

Speaker 1 (38:19):
Yeah, and of course you're and your great wife. What
I love about the show is that you don't have
all the answers. It's almost like you're searching. You're going
back and forth, you're kind of thinking on the fly,
you're developing your ideas, like like okay, it's this and
it's this. No, it's actually more complicated than that, and
a lot of the issues do have significant nuance. So
it just makes it all the better. And I also

(38:40):
think if you listen to your more traditional show, it's
just a great way to get to know you guys,
I mean, just to kind of see and the fact
you've been married so long and you've got a daughter,
and they's just everything about it is sort of icing
on the cake. But yeah, well, of course the show
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(39:24):
that make the things happen and make things thrive and survive.
So please consider that as well. But Patrick, thanks so
much for your help. And I love the fact that
you're policing our side. We have to do more of that.
You're doing it with from a good place and I
think that matters as well. And of course you bring
the receipts, which is always the most important factor.

Speaker 3 (39:42):
Thanks Christian, I appreciate it. Hey call us out too
when we make mistakes.

Speaker 1 (39:46):
I'm looking. I can't find any yet, but I'll get
up my finger wagging as soon as thanks.

Speaker 2 (39:52):
Thanks An.

Speaker 1 (40:03):
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