August 25, 2025 • 62 mins
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Speaker 1 (00:00):
H m hmmm, talking about.
Speaker 2 (00:27):
Everybody, my goodness, gracious alive.
Speaker 3 (00:36):
You know Bill's still write in that song. Everybody needs homebrew.
Speaker 2 (00:40):
Everybody, everybody does need homebrew. We needed homebrew because it's
been like a month, yeah, if not a little bit
longer since we've talked.
Speaker 3 (00:50):
Last it has. It has been a rather busy last month.
Speaker 2 (00:54):
You know, it's been even longer. Yeah, I haven't talked
to you since June.
Speaker 3 (00:59):
Yeah, probably so, probably so. I know.
Speaker 2 (01:06):
Homebrew listeners, you've listened to a month long series and
we've done.
Speaker 4 (01:14):
Nothing.
Speaker 2 (01:14):
No, we've done a lot.
Speaker 3 (01:15):
Yeah, we definitely. I went on vacation one week in July,
I know that. Well, and my wife Kayley actually just
got a brand new job, so we've had to set
up a home office for her because.
Speaker 5 (01:30):
The good news is that she mostly gets to work
from home, which is great considering that, well, she used
to have to travel to Baton Rouge, arguably one of
the most crime ridden cities in these forty eight contiguous dates.
Speaker 4 (01:45):
To do it.
Speaker 3 (01:46):
Yeah, wonderful like the thrill. Yeah, some of us. Well,
I lived in it for the past four years, and
I'm as hardened as I'll ever be. Wait, pausible anyway,
this is a late night episode.
Speaker 2 (02:00):
Well, ask me if I like because I go for
a walk, I could just a little stretch walked out.
Do you feel safe walking around and downtown Benton? Like, no,
but that's part of the thrill.
Speaker 3 (02:10):
No, but it does get my heart rate up.
Speaker 2 (02:12):
Yeah, I'm putting like one sixty in.
Speaker 3 (02:16):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (02:16):
Es. Actually, I have a really good, steady walking heart rate.
And when I went to the doctor last week, my
doctor was like, your resting heart rate is fifty. I
said yeah, and she goes, I hate you. That's not
what I wanted to hear from my doctor.
Speaker 3 (02:31):
But I tell you why. Thank goodness, neither one of
us were walking outside today, and folks, we are okay.
I'm sure you've seen, or maybe some of you have seen,
maybe not our international but maybe some of our local
listeners have seen that there was an explosion in Tangibahoa Parish,
(02:52):
the parish in which Joey and I both reside. There
was a petroleum oil producing company that went a.
Speaker 2 (03:01):
Light not us. Looked a lot like Wele's the oil field,
but not us.
Speaker 3 (03:09):
I've seen some of the pictures, uh. And there are
some people whose cars have a shiny oil slick on
top of them. Some people's pools are just looking like
the BP oil spill.
Speaker 2 (03:22):
M It's almost like we should switch to clean energy,
green energy and stop relying on oil. And well, well
let's where I go again with my milk toast liberalism.
I can't believe that what I just agree line, come on.
Speaker 3 (03:42):
I almost as a badge of honor. I don't know,
I'll drink that. Mhm.
Speaker 2 (03:53):
Like where do you even how do you come? How
do you just you just wake up in the morning,
like you know what. The first person that said I
want I want, I want, I want goodwill toward man
calling the milk toast and.
Speaker 4 (04:06):
Yeah, you know what, No, I through me for a
real move.
Speaker 2 (04:15):
So I've been on the road. You've been, You've been.
You went to the beach. Yeah, you had a good
beach trip, set up everything else. Yeah, seemingly I'm just
happy to be in my own house for like forty
eight hours.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That long ago. You were over there at uh where
where they host the uh the Civil War conference?
Speaker 2 (04:45):
Where did they have the Civil War? Well, David mccaulliffe
tells us all ten different places from Alfardy, New Mexico,
all the way in to Maine. Uh so, let's see.
Let's let's rewind, do you I talked to the Batano
Civil War Roundtable, and then July we spent a lot
(05:09):
of time moving getting her house settled in. Finally have
the office set up the way I like it. We've
got World War two behind the Civil War to the left,
post war memory politics there, memory slavery and research files
right here, race riot material.
Speaker 3 (05:32):
So this.
Speaker 2 (05:37):
Down and then let's see what do we do. First
went to Emerging Civil War and Stevenson's Ridge. Some of
the listeners will have heard that episode with our friend
and sponsored. Did you know that homeber History is sponsored
by Civil War Tress? Did you believe? Could you believe it?
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But we had Chris and our friend Richard Lewis on
the show. Not to be confused with the comedian who
is dead. Richard Lewis is Virginia tourism and very much alive.
Some might even say the life of every party. But
Chris and Richard came up. I thought that was a
fun little, you know, little bonus episode in there, and
(06:23):
it was fresh takes. It was a late night I know,
because they kept me up until like two in the
morning recording that so that that was a great time,
and then came home here for a week and then
up to Nashville for a fundraiser for Finley's Touch charity
for children battling were blood cancers with Al Murray and
(06:43):
that whole gang. So headed up to Nashville, did that,
and then now we're back. Hopefully that was it for
a while. I could just stay put. Jeez.
Speaker 3 (06:59):
Actually this is Friday. So yesterday was my first day
of my fifth year of teaching, which is older. That's insane,
uh to even think about.
Speaker 2 (07:11):
For me, old.
Speaker 3 (07:13):
Old, old with a capital but not not old enough,
though I I do. I do make the joke. I
was like, you know, because I always introduce, you know,
myself to my students, you know, and kind of give
them a little bit of, you know, information about who
I am, you know. And I'm like, you know, I
love my colleagues to death, you know. But some of
(07:36):
them were around during the Missouri compromise, and some of
them wrote it, uh, and I'm like, yeah, uh.
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But in one word or less. With the Missouri compromise,
the good the.
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Seven years ago. It's funny we had. So there's been
a lot of changes at the university that I work at,
at Southeastern. Doctor Karen Fontano, God, she's probably been there
for twenty five years or so. She was actually named
professor emeritus and Dean emeretis from Southeastern, which was really cool.
(08:57):
But we've a lot to him in Americas. Yes, she's
all the Ameriti. I think is the right plurality of athi.
Speaker 2 (09:05):
I think it's a maritising, likely a plural.
Speaker 3 (09:08):
Yeah, something like that. Emeritis.
Speaker 2 (09:10):
This is.
Speaker 3 (09:12):
Terrible, I'm sure somebody on YouTube will correct my.
Speaker 2 (09:16):
Pronunciation of yeah, just because you said one one letter
out of place, it's going to be over for.
Speaker 3 (09:22):
God forbid. Line me up with a cigarette and a
blind pold. But we have some new leadership changes, and
we actually had the provost uh come and have lunch
with our department, which was kind of interesting. But it
was funny because he was talking about the importance of
history and and political science, you know, and he's like,
(09:43):
you know, because anybody with a podcast could just get
out there, and I'm just I'm sitting there and I'm like, yeah,
those podcasters.
Speaker 2 (09:50):
Man, both podcast historians, that they're the scum of the earth.
They suck history is really important, and and you know what,
we want to be political. We want to be political.
But let's just let's just tap our little toe into it.
Can we tap a little toe into it? You will
(10:10):
permit me to tap my toe into this one?
Speaker 3 (10:12):
Cheers.
Speaker 2 (10:14):
The executive branch has no business reaching into the Smithsonian. Yeah,
just a general assault on the field of history and
public history as it stands. I mean, this has been
a battle with the National Park Service all summer and
(10:35):
now this is just.
Speaker 3 (10:39):
In the same Smithsonian alone. Because here's the thing is
that the people who are there, people who are doing
the work for the Smithsonian, are insanely qualified to be
doing what they're doing, but some people are not. So
we'll leave it be, but leave the Smithsonian b is
(10:59):
the point.
Speaker 2 (11:00):
Yeah, I mean, this was I thought the best response
to it all came from the aaslh SO, the American
Association of State and Local History. I mean, I just
thought they killed it here. The administration claims that it's
(11:21):
interference with the Soonian National Park Service, another federal culture
and other federal cultural agencies is rooted in a commitment
to historical accuracy. This is false. Though speciously worded executive orders,
in sceniory speeches, mass layoffs, funding cuts, and more, the
White House has launched a steady campaign to break down
our nation's historical infrastructure and remake it in the service
(11:44):
of an exclusive, inaccurate vision of America's past and present.
We urge both our field and our audiences to reject
this effort and stand up for a full and honest
approach to our shared history.
Speaker 3 (11:58):
Couldn't said it better myself.
Speaker 2 (12:00):
Yeah, this is I mean, to me, this is a
simple thing, because this is this is the playground that
we had to run around in, right, this is this
is a historical memory. How we interpret the past, why
we interpret the way we do?
Speaker 3 (12:16):
I mean, I mean, that's a major thing that both
you and I talk about on the show all the time,
you know, is how not only how do we remember
the past, you know, I mean, because it's it is
one thing to remember, you know, just a variety of
just fact things, you know, but everybody has different interpretations,
(12:40):
and some of those interpretations just frankly aren't correct.
Speaker 2 (12:44):
Yeah, I mean, you know, just coming right out the
gate and saying, you know, they talk too much about slavery,
and they say, you know, slavery, it wasn't that bad.
Speaker 3 (12:52):
It's like, oh my yeah, god, yeah, and.
Speaker 2 (12:56):
We're playing with fire.
Speaker 3 (12:57):
And unfortunately we are in twenty twenty five seeing the
rise of anti Semitism, especially amongst you know, young men.
So that's kind of in the same school of thought, uh,
sort of slavery apologists. It's not I don't think it's
it's shocking that those two kind of worship at the
(13:19):
same church, if you will. Yeah, but it's a problem.
Speaker 2 (13:24):
Yep. Well, here we are to do our due diligence
and try and make a more informed electorate.
Speaker 3 (13:30):
Yes, we we're avoiding being those podcasters.
Speaker 2 (13:35):
Someone asked me the other day, They're like, why do
you Why are you into history? Why why do you
why do you teach? Why are you so dedicated to history?
And I said, because I want to make a more
informed electorate. And they're like, you say that about everything,
so they do, and it really is just my goal
at the end of the day is to make at
least one voter, one citizen of the United States just
(13:56):
a little bit more informed.
Speaker 3 (14:00):
Stop and think a little bit, you know.
Speaker 2 (14:02):
I try to present things that make you stop and
go hmmm, and not go oh, he did his own research, Like, yeah,
I do my own research. Yeah, I research binders full
of crap here, but you know, not in like the
weird nutty professor way.
Speaker 3 (14:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (14:20):
Anyways, not what we're here for. So we've been understandably
a little bit busy. But while we kind of pine
over the fact that we've had a lot going on
in the last couple of days and weeks, why don't
we hit a quick, little two minute commercial break and
we come back and we, uh, let's talk about this
(14:40):
is a fun topic. Right, Let's talk about Huey p
and Lolong and the coup that almost possibly maybe could
have been and was for a minute and then wasn't
or maybe it was anyways. Uh, let's let's hit a
quick little commercial break and we'll be right back with
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I have? And yeah, that is the question.
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Speaker 2 (18:18):
So let's dive into this because this is a fun one.
I don't know, I stumbled across. I stumbled on this
while stumbling on something else. Yeah. I was doing my
eighteen seventy four research and I was like, who's in
Louisiana or I think I put it something like governor overthrown.
(18:42):
It was one of my newspaper newspaper archive searches governor
overthrown Louisiana. And I didn't narrow my date search, which
I guess flolk. But great news for me. I found
a funny I don't know if it's funny. It was
a real, actual threat, but it's a cool story. So
let's dive in. Of course, we know nineteen twenty eight,
(19:03):
hewing Long is elected governor in the state of Louisiana.
Hewe Long comes from hard scrabble beginnings. Now I'm putting
quotes because those are doing a lot of work. Wasn't
really that hard scrabble. His mom's family was very wealthy.
His father's family was kind of run of the mill,
but they always scraped by. I mean, this is not
(19:26):
the time to do favorite hewing long stories, but what
the hell, here's a fun one. While he was campaigning,
he would, you know, he would do like nineteen twenties
code switch. So if he was talking to Baptist in
North Louisiana, he'd say like, I used to bring my
grandparents with a horse and wagon all the way to
the Baptist church services every Sunday. And then if he
(19:48):
was down in South Louisiana with all the Catholics, he'd say,
I bring my grandparents to the Catholic Mass every Sunday
with a horse and buggy and they get in a
car to go back to you know, Winfield or whatever.
I'll be like, damn, Huie, I didn't know you were
so religious, and he said, shit, didn't even on a horse.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Louisiana politicians have lost that ability to have that kind
of charisma, And I really do think that some people
try to be the new Hue Belong.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, he rasponi, I do full of bologna responi.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, like he tried, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And it just came out as like a fog Gon
way worn.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, it wasn't Hueie, and that was a very specific
brand at a very specific time, and it worked for
certain people, it did, and Hugh he's elected in nineteen twenty.
Of course, by nineteen twenty nine state legislature tries to
impeach him. But this story actually takes place after he
has solidified Longism in Louisiana. He has made it the
(20:55):
governing force of the state. So he's gotten rid of
all of his opponents. He's brought in his own kind
of patrons in a way he's brought he's basically made
a self styled patronage system across the state. If you
helped him on his campaign, great, you got a job.
(21:16):
And he's sort of systematically replaced some of the highest
seats in the state legislature, including the President pro tempore,
a man by the name of Alvin Ollen King. Now
he's important a little bit later on in our story.
So right now as it stands, in nineteen thirty two,
(21:38):
Huey Long is posed to enter in on the national scale. Right,
he is going to head up to the big, big stage.
Nineteen thirty two is the same year we elect Franklin
Roosevelt as President of the United States, and it is
the same year that Louisiana elects to send into the
United States Senate none other than Huet P. Long Well.
(21:59):
In the November election, long is elected to the Senate
and the new governor, Governor okay Oscar Kelly Allen is elected,
but Alan can't take office until March when he's inaugurated,
and Hughey's on the outgoing governor so bo. According to
the constitution, who should become the governor.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
The lieutenant governor, the lieutenant.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Governor, the lieutenant governor. Man named Paul Seer. That's a
fun name, Seer, sr Cy Paulser. Paulseer comes from the
booming metropolis O Jeannerette and Louisiana. Ever been there, neither
of I. But Paul Seer thinks, well, this is it.
I get to be the governor because he's vacated the office,
(22:43):
he's become the Senator. So then comes January. This is
supposed to be big, the big day. Hughey gets ready
to leave for DC, but he wants to make some
changes because he absolutely hates Paul Syr won't stand him.
(23:05):
With the way that elections work in Louisiana and the
way that the ticket is broken up. You don't vote
for a ticket as a lieutenant governor. You vote for
the governor, and then you vote for a lieutenant governor.
And they could be from different parties, they could be
from the same party. They could like one another, they
could hate one another. This is one of those instances
where they kind of got along in the beginning and
(23:27):
then by nineteen thirty two they absolutely hated one another.
So Seyr thinks that's it. I'm a big governor. Hughey says,
not so fast. We decides to do and this is
just like so perfectly in fashion, right. He decides to
remove Seir from office and replace him with the President
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pro Tempore of the Senate, Alvin Olwen King. So he
replaces Syir with King. At the same time, Sear's back
home in Generette. He hears about this, and he goes
to a notary public and he does the only thing
that he can think to do. He takes the oath
of office as governor of the state of Louisiana. Amazing
because Yui has vacated it and Alvin Olan King's only
(24:12):
lieutenant governor, so Sear's like, I'm not letting you take
away what's rightfully mine. And you know, when you look
at it, constitutionally Sear has every single right to this office.
So Hughie gets word that Sears just registered an oath
for the governor, and he grabs a pistol, shoves it
(24:33):
in his waistband, and he gets his armed bodyguards to
drive him from New Orleans to the Capitol and baton rouge.
He stops along the way, makes a phone call. He
calls the state police, and he calls the Louisiana National
Guard and mobilizes them. He puts a guard cordon around
the capitol building and around the governor's mansion with orders
(24:54):
to shoot Paul Sear if he shows up. Sewar needs
a It's just wild.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That is as Louisiana politics as you can get as
our old mentor slash colleague, slash old professor, doctor Ronald
treylor one set. If you want a degree in political corruption,
go to Texas. If you want a master's degree, I'm Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And little known fact, Huey P. Long What does p
stand for? It's not Pierre, it is Petty Huie. Petty
Long Madman is there's a reason to call him the
team fish.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He pierced the hopes and dreams of paulse here. So wait,
so this gets even better. So Seyr gets to baton Rouge.
He shows up at the capitol and the adjut in
General of the National Guards, Hey, I just want to
let you know you're supposed to like shoot you see you?
(25:58):
So he decides to do. He takes his car, he
goes over to a hotel. I think he goes not
to the Heidelberg, but to the one across the street
from remember, but he goes there and he's waiting. He
sets up an office and we decides is like, all right,
that's it. I'm going to put together my cabinet. So
he starts picking politicians and aids. He starts appointing people
(26:21):
to hold these positions within his executive branch. As he
deems it he is the governor. Huey sets up his
office right across the street at the Heidelberg, and what
he starts doing is essentially tit for tat right, and
he arranges Seer decides, I'm going to take this to
the Supreme Court, because ultimately the highest court in the
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land should be able to rule in this case, and
they will rule, of course in my favor. They don't
know Huie that well, I guess. Hue goes to the
Supreme Court and he actually tells, Syr you, actually you
don't have any inequal standing to bring in this case
before the court.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So he brings the case to the court and argues
it for himself, and if we know anything, he wins.
He wins, and Alvan Owen King gets to become governor
only because Hugh he essentially goes and threatens all the
support all the Supreme Court justices and threatens se here
(27:26):
with basically death and here for the rest of his life.
Never forgave Hugh ay long for this moment and would you?
I mean, it doesn't make any sense to just move
along after this. So King becomes governor for you know,
a hot minute. He's governor from January until May when
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the inauguration comes along. And then okay, Allen his governor. Well,
Alan gets in and okay Alan, the joke right, the
old earl long joke is okay Alan. You know he'd
sign anything. If a leaf flew through the window, he'd
sign it because he thought my brother sent it. You
know he is the ultimate Hueing along, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
So we.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Get allan in power from nineteen thirty six to nineteen
or excuse me, nineteen thirty two to nineteen thirty six.
Same time, Hugh, he's off in the United States Senate,
and this is thirty three. He breaks away from Roosevelt
and starts reeling against the New Deal. Same time frame,
(28:31):
drafts his own ideas to share our wealth society, and
that plan and that kind of national duel launches him
into the minds and hearts of the whole country. Between
him and Father Coughlin, they're preaching this kind of like
America First, and like this is the og America first,
(28:51):
so isolationist, ultra right wing. But these are two very
different polytical entities between Father Coglin very much to the
right and Huey Long very much to the left.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
And then there's FDR somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And then there's the FDR who's painted by so many
as like this ultraliberal, progressive leftist, and he's actually pretty
much dead down the middle when you put him in
that room, right.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And FDR is very unique, you know, because he's doing
things that you know, the American executive branch had never
done before. So in that way, that kind of makes
him radical, but not in like the you know radical sense,
like oh, he's, you know, this crazy socialist individual.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Which is the same argument you could make about some
of Huey Long's efforts in Louisiana. He was doing something
that no Louisiana governor had done before, which was put
the power right into the hands of Okay through his
political machine.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, but the Long Brothers definitely are both unique and
symbolic to Louisiana politics.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh, don't worry, Earl makes an appearance.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank goodness, I can't wait to talk about Earl.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So this is like a long this is a long
standing thing.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So we have the initial coup, the failed attempted coup,
and that moment alone is enough for Huey to start
traveling with a bodyguard. No matter where he goes, he's
usually got four men armed with forty five handguns or
Thompson submachine guns. You kind of get your pick of
the letter on that way. So he's traveling with the bodyguard,
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traveling all across the country. Nineteen thirty five rolls along,
comes to Baton Rouge. He's in a legislative meeting, which
is very strange for US senator to come to a
state capitol and try and lobby for votes on the
floor of the state House. But it's not out of
normal for him. This is very much a routine thing.
(31:02):
So he starts tapping legislators trying to get their vote
to impeach him, and named Benjamin Pavey as a judge,
district judge. He's opposed along long hates him. Kind of
long story short, you see what he did there, story,
I'm just good in those puns. He secures the votes
(31:22):
to impeach Bavy, he walks out the state Legislature, out
of the state four and of course we know how
this story ends. Pavey's son in law of Carl Austin
Wis is standing there, shoots him a point blank range
with a pistol, tears through He longs Adam and bodyguards
then cut Carl Austin Wis down. We return now to
our friend, our old pal Oscar Kelly Allen. Okay, Allen
(31:46):
comes barely out of his office, swings the door open,
draws a revolver of his own, and he says, hold,
it doesn't go any more. Damn shooting, not one in
on it, which is the coolest thing that you say,
Adam murder scene, right, Yeah, So the Hughey's taken away.
Of course, he died the next day, buried in the
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short election, like the spot election that's held, Alan gets
the votes to take over in the short term as
US Senator and for the long rest of for the
rest of the Long's term, it'll be Alan Ellender, which
is the weirdest name in the world because you want
to say Allen Ellender or Ellen. Anyways, Allan Allander will
(32:31):
take over for the long period. So we get to
January again. Okay, Alan's on his way. He's about to
give batners to go to d C Bran andwsn't dead
in two hours, collapses on the front step with the
governor's mansion. He's out. Who should step into the role,
but James A no.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Basically was just a machine hack. He was just involved.
He was part of the hot oil sales that have
been going on within Long's henchmen. So they were making
money handover fist over unregulated, untaxed oil. I mean, you
want to know where the d duck box is. They
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didn't worry about the d duck box. They had oil
money to burn. They didn't care. But no becomes governor,
and Noah was thinking, like, all right, I'm the governor.
Now clearly I would be elected and I should remain
the governor. So he fought tooth and nail to try
and nullify the November election result, which saw Richard Lesh
(33:38):
become the governor of the State of Louisiana. Ultimately, can't
win this battle, can't maintain his seat, so he's out.
In May, Lesh takes over. He's an interim governor, and
nobody really remembers James a no. But no decides that
he's going to spend next four years trying to find
a way to destroy the Long Machine from the outside in,
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even if it means slashing and burning all of his friends.
So he goes after Robert Maister, he goes after James Smith,
president of LSU. Most notably, he goes after Richard Lash.
And it's in that mint that moment where Lesh opens
up the door to federal money starting to come into Louisiana,
starts allowing the WPA projects and the CCC projects and
(34:21):
the Public Works Administration project. So we start to see
a lot more of Harold Ickis. We start to see
a presidential visit to New Orleans where President Roosevelt sits
with the Governor of Louisiana, which neither Long or okay,
Allen wouldn't have ever done in a million years. And
(34:41):
of course it's where the coolest line that comes from
Malanian to a president comes from. That's the mister president.
How you like the mercers? I mean, that's just great.
Come on, come on, serve me that all day long.
But this is it looks things are looking up. Money
starts pumping into the state, and all of a sudden,
(35:04):
Richard Lesh becomes a popular name as a potential vice
president for Roosevelt in nineteen forty and then along comes
the nineteen thirty nine Do you remember nineteen thirty nine
Pepbridge Farms Remember Peppridge Farmers remembers when Richard and Lesh
embezzled the state of Louisiana out of a million dollars
(35:28):
and like people do that all the time these days. Yeah,
this was in the middle of the Great Depression, in
a hard hit Louisiana economy, and what they found out
was that Lesh was using these federal funds to buy
state vehicles and then use those state vehicles to do
(35:50):
private projects, like say, construction on a friend's house at LSU.
Remember James No. He hired a bunch of private investigators
and had them photograph all these trucks. Wherever they went,
they tailed them followed him. It's like a great classic
nineteen thirties noir film, Like there's just a pi and
(36:11):
he's like, I'm going to get that sound of a
dread hand exactly what happens here, and then he takes
a bite of like a shrimp poboy or something, or
they have a cup of gumbo. I don't know. We
have to louisianafy this classic. So this picture just happens
to show up in the New Orleans Times, picky you
and people go buistic. There's a state investigation to the
(36:36):
state House decides that they want to hold an impeachment
trial unless gets sick. He resigns because of illness, and
our friend Earl K Long becomes the governor for about
ten what eight nine months? He finishes out Lash's term
(36:58):
in then Welcome nineteen four and Sam Houston Jones as
the Reformers in but No believed ardently that this was
enough to destroy Lash and destroy the Long machine so
that when eventually he wanted to run for governor again,
there'd be no opposition. And of course all he does
is fan the flames of this already like tightness fireball.
(37:26):
So we lose, lose Maystreet. James Smith is gone, so
that really kind of leaves just Earl Long and it's
the face of his brother's old political machine. By nineteen
forty eight, it doesn't look like anything's going to happen.
Whole thing's kind of caved in while it's looking unpopular,
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and Earl gets back on the stage and No tries
to get back into the governorship. And this is when
Long effectively cuts the legs out from under James Now
and this long, storied coup that began all all the
way back in nineteen thirty two finally reaches its end
(38:07):
by the middle of the nineteen fifties, when the Long
machine essentially just collapses in on itself. We see one
last bid for power by Prolong in nineteen fifty six.
Outside of that, long Ism is dead. But it's funny though,
like even today, like you said, people try and emulate
(38:30):
brothers Long. Yeah, they try to tap into that same
vein of like that folksy kind of like do good
for one another.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
It definitely reminds me of like, oh brother, where art Thou?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know, O'Daniel?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Which yes, which honestly, oh oh coma brother where Art
Thou is? Definitely some Louisiana political stuff because earlong. It's
funny because in the late nineteen fifties, like nineteen fifty nine,
right before he dies, he's actually committed to a psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I love that story.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I love it. I think it was like a Washitaw
Parish psychiatric hospital Manville. Yeah, against his will, and well
he had.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Already been in Houston and he got transferred from Houston
to Mandeville. Yeah like that, then does the most wacky
doodle shit fires the administrator of the mental institution and
then pardons himself.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, like that's that's so Louisiana. Like that's that's his Louisiana,
as as Beignet's gumbo shrimp po boys and drive through
dagery shops.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It actually kind of makes red beans and rice look
like a Texas dish.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
It does almost.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That's how extremely I like the Oh brother are atout
comparison though, because like there's so many things in that
movie that's so spot on.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It makes sense if you haven't seen that movie, do
yourself a favor.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, but Pappy is I think certainly. I don't think
he's supposed to be Huey. I mean we talked about this.
He actually is a real person politician. Yeah, he's a
real person from Texas, powerful Texas Democrat. But in the
movie he's this kind of Mississippi productician and he talks they.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Ish, which is it's so funny what people like think
of the even still today.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But it works because it is accurate in so many ways.
It is just this perfect snapshot of depression.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
You're a.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Louisiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. It kind of covers it all.
And that's I didn't think we were going to switch
into this, but this is this is a good discussion
because the movie, I feel like, is a it's like
a perfect exploration of race and class and justice in
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the mid twentieth century or the early twentieth century in
a way that they don't think we ever really look
at it because it's a comedy and it's a play
on Odysseus, and it's all these things, but it's also
really hard look at Jim Crow South because we see
that in Hitchhiker and all these things, right, and then
(41:39):
we also see the Klan make an appearance in the
eighteen twenties, and then there's this idea of democratic control
and refall, and then there's the justice system in you know,
chain gangs and like this involuntary sort of servitude thing
that it's just amazing exploration. I've I love the movie,
(42:04):
and like when you think about it on a deeper level,
you love it even more because it's just so much.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
More to think about. If you haven't seen that movie,
do yourself a favor. Uh. It is funny and and
there are parts that are definitely gonna make you say.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Hm, remember well, I don't want God, damn it. I'm
a dapper Dan.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I'm a napper Dan.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
So you're reading something because I know we digressed a lot. Yes,
I feel like that's a cool little story.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It is, and and funnily enough, before I get into
what I'm reading, because it's been difficult for me to
put this book down. But you mentioned it earlier, you know,
you talked about doctor Carl Weiss getting turned into Swiss
cheese because he had attempted to assassinate Huey Long. And
(42:55):
I say attempt because I like to bring this story
into my classes when I talk about the assassination of
our student.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Sorry, yes, you know your cinnamon toothpaste in the wind. Yes,
Chris Brown offered another one. Okay, Chunky marinera ew works.
Carl Austin Weiss was Chunky Marinara.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. He's definitely holier than now. Yeah yeah, yeah.
So doctor Carl Weiss, he attempts to assassinate Huey Long.
But and I bring up this story because I try
to relate Louisiana history with world history. Uh.
Speaker 8 (43:45):
And again, if we know anything, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the
heir to the Austro Hungarian throne, is in the town
of Sara Jevo uh.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And he is assassinated by a man by the name
of Gabriell Little Printkipt and he is armed with an
fn FN model nineteen ten, which chambers a three point
eighty round which is also the same pistol that doctor
Carl Weiss is also armed with. And when they were
(44:17):
doing the bullet removal from Huey Long, Huey Long is
struck in the side left or right side, I don't
really remember, it doesn't forty five struck in the hip,
and they dig this bullet out, and it is a
forty five caliber bullet which is chambered in the Thompson's
machine gun or the call forty five handguns of his bodyguards. So,
(44:41):
as it turns out, Huey's marble house of the New
State Capitol probably wasn't a great idea because one of
those bullets ricochet and lodged in the hip of Huey Long,
which he dies from due to an af medical care.
And of course Huey Long's inability to sit well. I mean,
(45:03):
I'm like, I'm reading like some of the doctor's reports
about Huey Long's assassination and they're like, you know, Hughey,
please like sit like there's a you are bleeding out
of your leg, please sit down. And he's like, no, no, no,
I've got to do. You know.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I have no time online.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I have the Jerry mander A guy out that I
don't like.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I have to go fix a vote real quick.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah ah his spleen. Yeah, So what are you reading?
What am I reading. So before I say that unfortunately
one of I say unfortunately, I mean great for him,
he deserves it. One of our colleagues, doctor Craig Associate,
(45:47):
is retiring in December and he has plans to move
to Spain, to which I asked Doctor Saucier said, how
is your Spanish, to which he replied those survey I said,
my man, I said, and in case you want my knowledge,
(46:09):
you know, passed on to you. Don de los Banos
find the bathrooms, because I guarantee you you're probably going
to need that and beer for when you're done. But
the good news, silber lining of that, is that he
is downsizing his books. One of them I obtained recently
(46:30):
and it caught my eye. It is Alex Kershaw's The
Few the American Knights of the Year, who is everything
in the Battle of Britain.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah right over there.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, it is is so good because the book itself
and I want our listeners to read the book, but
I mean, I mean seriously, in the first three chapters
it tells like five different stories and it helps it
move along, you know, and it's I don't know, it feels,
(47:04):
you know, because it's following these these two guys, these
two American well one of them is American, one of
them is actually from Russia. But these these two guys
in the United States that are trying to make their way,
you know, to fight in the French Air Force. But
(47:25):
as Joey probably already knows, is that the Neutrality Act
of nineteen thirty nine actually forbid Americans from enlisting in
other air forces to fight on behalf of you know whomever.
Which came with a flame. It came with a fine
(47:45):
of ten thousand dollars and also a possible revoking of
your passport, but also talks about Churchill in his finest hour.
I don't know. It's it's really good. Reed Kershaw's Few book.
It's really good.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
That's a lot how his Tang book is that I
forget the name of it, but it's about the Uss
Tang that he's got like three different stories in the
first chapter. That way, you're constantly weaving back and forth
between the three. It's just a great writing device. I'll
be very honest with you. I've been struggling to actually
(48:21):
hold a book open the last few weeks because there's
just been so much going on. But I think I
have finally settled, and I think I know what I'm
reading for a little while. I picked it up back
in April, brought it home and just left it sitting
on my bookshelf for the last several months. But I'm
(48:42):
reading Zeno as the Cauldron, about his experiences as a
paratrooper at Margaret Garden. I feel like, you know, it's
close enough or almost the anniversary, probably finishing around the anniversary.
I'm knocking out like a chapter a night, which is
a terrible but you know, I picked up a couple
of different books, and no offense to some of my
(49:05):
friends that wrote them, but I couldn't do it. I
just wasn't holding my uh wasn't holding the old attention span.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
I have very unique taste.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, and I'll be I'll be right there too. It's
like I've been working on so much stuff for a
murdering civil war the last month, because August was like
a hot and heavy month for me. I did a
little biography on General Thomas Williams who was killed in
Baton Rouge, and did another story about the seventh Vermont
and then of course John Bohood's anniversary of his death
(49:36):
is next week. When you hear this, so it'd be
the thirtyth of August. So I put together some newspaper
stories about that, and I was like, okay, now look
at doing something in September. Okay, well all right, let's
see seventeenth. I could do Antietam. I could do antim.
I could write about Antietamy, write a little bit pity
boppity boop about Antietam. I could do that. And then
(49:56):
I was like, oh, oh, but there's Chickamauga on eighteen,
nineteen twenty. I can own chick Asaug. So I've just
been trying to narrow in on a focus and then
I want to read World War two stuff. And then
I've been doing a lot of gaming, and you know,
trying to be a dad, and I've been trying to
remain physically active, and I'm trying to hold down in
(50:18):
nine to five and I mean, please give me just
a minute different hat. Yeah, how many hats can I wear?
And I'm trying to produce homebrew history. I'm running out
of hats.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Which and this is something that and if you've made
it this far in the episode, good for you, first
of all. Second of all, to it.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
This was supposed to be twenty.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Minutes it was supposed to be and look at us.
We did that thing again. Well, Joey and I as
old alma mater and my current employer just opened up
the old d Vickers Hall.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
It looked very nice, which is.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Now home to the five million dollars Robin Roberts Media
Center and supposedly, supposedly, uh, there are some works in
which the man who produced our uh intro and outro song,
(51:16):
doctor William guitar slinging Robison uh and one doctor Joe Burns,
the man who is seemingly the voice of Southeastern Radio,
wants to get us a little upgrade. So that might
be in the work. So we shall see.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
We do like, we do like the idea of the
whole upgrade.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
We do. I do like that especially it's like, you know, free,
because we're alum. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Hard to pass up free. Also hard to pass up
an actual editor and producer, because uh, I thank you, boy.
Boy's tired.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
I'm tired, Bos.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
To go edit another episode of over Sack of Shit.
That's how I feel. I feel like. That's what you
tell me. It's like, oh, you're tired. We get.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
Well, I'll tell you what before before we get into
what we've been drinking on tonight. Uh, there is one
thing that we have to discuss. Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Okay, so you fire away.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Our friend j D hewittt over there at the History Underground.
First of all, we cannot recommend.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Him enough, but his page two please do you know whatever?
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yes, JD has a knack and I think he understands
the Internet a lot better than most people do. But
he mentions something like that, and when I I saw,
because I want to say that was probably maybe the
second second time that I saw that Cracker Barrel had changed,
(53:09):
you know, their logo. So I commented on JD's Facebook post.
I said, you know, this is a lot like putting
shag carpet over hardwood floors. And apparently that just resonated
with the boomer community that lives on Facebook, and I'm like, eh, okay,
I'm invited to the boomer cook out.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Then I got hit with being a communist in our
comment section. Yeah, because all I said was it was
like I was like, well, JD, this is actually very simple.
What's happening. This is what happens in late stage and
stage capitalism is when we start building these chain restaurants
to all kind of look the same, all kind of
(53:47):
feel the same, all kind of be priced the same.
That way, when one closes, it can be replaced with
another one by private equity firm in a matter of weeks.
And some guy was like, that's what a leftist thing
to say. You're so woke, and I was like, I'm
wide awake. That just made a general observation. Yeah, how
(54:09):
businesses are operating in the year twenty five. Oh boy, Yeah,
that was a fun comment section. Did you see the
Taylor Swift one too?
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I did.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That was another fun one where he was like, I
get it, some of you don't like her.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Like I commented, I was like, much love to my girl,
Teas Whizz. I can't wait for the I can't wait
for the new album.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
It's gonna be exciting, ye know. And people have mixed
opinions about Taylor Swift. But here's here's the thing is
that when you when you become such an economic driver
that the American economy, and like American economists can base
(54:57):
how the American economy is doing based off of ticket sales. Yeah,
Taylor Swift guns last summer.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Two summers ago, she was the number one US export.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah, just her, just.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Just your music. I'm gonna be honest with you. I
don't listen to all of it. I like some of it.
I like some of her eras, not all of her eras.
You can paint me as a Swifty, I don't care.
I've been painted as a lot today, a liberal communist swifty.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Throw all the hats on.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
I don't know that I'm any of those things.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Here we are, we are.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
No one has said, has said what I am? A child?
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (55:47):
God, who's whose quote is that? That's a Satuais cardinal player?
Back in like the fifties, Kurt Charlie Flood, Yeah, Flood said,
he said, they called me every name but a child,
a gird.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
It's so right.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
So homber History takes on the Taylor Swift haters by saying,
we love you t Swift.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I can't wait for the comments on that one. I
might actually label the video like hombrew. History defends Taylor
Swift over cracker Barrel.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
And then.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Huey Long Taylor Swift, cracker Barrel.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
We do it all, baby, And what's even what's even
more terrifying. Is that again? I'm I'm kind of uh
dropping hints to what will we will be doing in
the not so far future. Joey and I have been
invited to talk to a graduate seminar.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Which is kind of terrifying that we're going to influence
young minds.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
It's true. Uh, that is terrifying.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Who let us do these things we did by you know,
grabbing a microphone becoming podcast host?
Speaker 3 (57:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. We were two white guys in
the middle of a COVID nineteen pandemic with nothing else
to do, so that beard is perfect. Of course we did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Oh, I would also just like to put in for
the record, my thirtieth birthday is just a few months away,
and I've already made my decision. Oh you know, the
we can go ahead and did.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Do do do?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
The pick is in with the first pick in the
Joseph rg A selected World War two guy, I got,
I got rid of my smoker. Just cion are gone.
I've chosen. I will not be I will not be
(57:49):
purveying meats anymore. I shall become World War two guy.
Mister w Yeah, but don't look for any like the
the Weird World War two guys like the wear a booze.
Did you see those pictures from the Living History in England?
Everybody's dressed up like an SS guy. I don't know
(58:12):
Taylor Swift, I feel like she hates that.
Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, well mostly red blood American probably hates SS Nazis.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Well, you would hope, but you know, these days hard
to tell. I'll kin't that the truth? All right, we've
done this now? Oh my god, an hour? What's in
your cup so we can go home?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yes? I have been drinking on a local ale, some
hard hide strawberry whiskey. It's been pretty good. Has made
local here in bunch ju Law really produce right up
the road.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Well, that's actually sounds delightful. I don't know if I
can do it.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
I don't know if I can do I.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
Will say I have found my new favorite drink thing.
I've been trying the the muck cools or mucked cools.
I don't know what they're called. How to cool, mock
mock cool, that's it. They're mocktails, but they're pre made
so you get like a peint colatta margarita. The one
(59:21):
I've been drinking lately is like a blueberry hibiscus mohido,
and I was like, that sounds terrible. Drink it delectable.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
You me have a snack for me, don't you. I do.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
I have Jimmie Dodgers for you in my pantry.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
You know what, see you tomorrow. Yes, Joey knows what
kind of stuff I gotta do tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
That's a good way to come home.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Joey has pre prayed for me. Okay, liberty, I'm not
a liberty to discuss that, but just no prayers have
been sent.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I got the mission briefing briefing tent. Talk to the
guys in the quadset hut. I'm heading out to the
aircraft now. Yeah, we know what the mission is.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
You know we're gonna have to like do an unboxing
and like a have you had Jamie Dodgers before?
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, okay I have.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I'm gonna be honest with you. It's not my favorite cookie.
I am more of a of a digestives, like chocolate
covered digestives. Guy, I like those a lot more.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I'm so scared of anything named digestive.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It's just a cookie.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I don't know, It's not like a laxative thing.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Is no, No, I wish it was because you know
that's always helpful old stuff. No, not that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I feel like we're gonna have to like tag Norma
and and maybe Paul. Uh what we do that an
unboxing Jamie Dodger video.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
We have the technology to just make one.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
We do.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
So I'm feeling like you're coming over tomorrow and we're eating.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Cookies anyway if that's the case, and I better get
to sleep because that means tomorrow I can get cookies.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I have to go move things. So you're having whiskey,
I'm having tea. Uh for all of us here at
Homebrew history, history, good night, and good luck.
Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
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Last it has. It has been a rather busy last month.
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You know, it's been even longer. Yeah, I haven't talked
to you since June.
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Yeah, probably so, probably so. I know.
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Homebrew listeners, you've listened to a month long series and
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Nothing.
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No, we've done a lot.
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Yeah, we definitely. I went on vacation one week in July,
I know that. Well, and my wife Kayley actually just
got a brand new job, so we've had to set
up a home office for her because.
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The good news is that she mostly gets to work
from home, which is great considering that, well, she used
to have to travel to Baton Rouge, arguably one of
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To do it.
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Yeah, wonderful like the thrill. Yeah, some of us. Well,
I lived in it for the past four years, and
I'm as hardened as I'll ever be. Wait, pausible anyway,
this is a late night episode.
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Well, ask me if I like because I go for
a walk, I could just a little stretch walked out.
Do you feel safe walking around and downtown Benton? Like, no,
but that's part of the thrill.
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No, but it does get my heart rate up.
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Yeah, I'm putting like one sixty in.
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Yeah.
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Es. Actually, I have a really good, steady walking heart rate.
And when I went to the doctor last week, my
doctor was like, your resting heart rate is fifty. I
said yeah, and she goes, I hate you. That's not
what I wanted to hear from my doctor.
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But I tell you why. Thank goodness, neither one of
us were walking outside today, and folks, we are okay.
I'm sure you've seen, or maybe some of you have seen,
maybe not our international but maybe some of our local
listeners have seen that there was an explosion in Tangibahoa Parish,
(02:52):
the parish in which Joey and I both reside. There
was a petroleum oil producing company that went a.
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Light not us. Looked a lot like Wele's the oil field,
but not us.
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I've seen some of the pictures, uh. And there are
some people whose cars have a shiny oil slick on
top of them. Some people's pools are just looking like
the BP oil spill.
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M It's almost like we should switch to clean energy,
green energy and stop relying on oil. And well, well
let's where I go again with my milk toast liberalism.
I can't believe that what I just agree line, come on.
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I almost as a badge of honor. I don't know,
I'll drink that. Mhm.
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Like where do you even how do you come? How
do you just you just wake up in the morning,
like you know what. The first person that said I
want I want, I want, I want goodwill toward man
calling the milk toast and.
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Yeah, you know what, No, I through me for a
real move.
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So I've been on the road. You've been, You've been.
You went to the beach. Yeah, you had a good
beach trip, set up everything else. Yeah, seemingly I'm just
happy to be in my own house for like forty
eight hours.
Speaker 3 (04:36):
That long ago. You were over there at uh where
where they host the uh the Civil War conference?
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Where did they have the Civil War? Well, David mccaulliffe
tells us all ten different places from Alfardy, New Mexico,
all the way in to Maine. Uh so, let's see.
Let's let's rewind, do you I talked to the Batano
Civil War Roundtable, and then July we spent a lot
(05:09):
of time moving getting her house settled in. Finally have
the office set up the way I like it. We've
got World War two behind the Civil War to the left,
post war memory politics there, memory slavery and research files
right here, race riot material.
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So this.
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Down and then let's see what do we do. First
went to Emerging Civil War and Stevenson's Ridge. Some of
the listeners will have heard that episode with our friend
and sponsored. Did you know that homeber History is sponsored
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But we had Chris and our friend Richard Lewis on
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Some might even say the life of every party. But
Chris and Richard came up. I thought that was a
fun little, you know, little bonus episode in there, and
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it was fresh takes. It was a late night I know,
because they kept me up until like two in the
morning recording that so that that was a great time,
and then came home here for a week and then
up to Nashville for a fundraiser for Finley's Touch charity
for children battling were blood cancers with Al Murray and
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that whole gang. So headed up to Nashville, did that,
and then now we're back. Hopefully that was it for
a while. I could just stay put. Jeez.
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Actually this is Friday. So yesterday was my first day
of my fifth year of teaching, which is older. That's insane,
uh to even think about.
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For me, old.
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Old, old with a capital but not not old enough,
though I I do. I do make the joke. I
was like, you know, because I always introduce, you know,
myself to my students, you know, and kind of give
them a little bit of, you know, information about who
I am, you know. And I'm like, you know, I
love my colleagues to death, you know. But some of
(07:36):
them were around during the Missouri compromise, and some of
them wrote it, uh, and I'm like, yeah, uh.
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But in one word or less. With the Missouri compromise,
the good the.
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Seven years ago. It's funny we had. So there's been
a lot of changes at the university that I work at,
at Southeastern. Doctor Karen Fontano, God, she's probably been there
for twenty five years or so. She was actually named
professor emeritus and Dean emeretis from Southeastern, which was really cool.
(08:57):
But we've a lot to him in Americas. Yes, she's
all the Ameriti. I think is the right plurality of athi.
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I think it's a maritising, likely a plural.
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Yeah, something like that. Emeritis.
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This is.
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Terrible, I'm sure somebody on YouTube will correct my.
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Pronunciation of yeah, just because you said one one letter
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God forbid. Line me up with a cigarette and a
blind pold. But we have some new leadership changes, and
we actually had the provost uh come and have lunch
with our department, which was kind of interesting. But it
was funny because he was talking about the importance of
history and and political science, you know, and he's like,
(09:43):
you know, because anybody with a podcast could just get
out there, and I'm just I'm sitting there and I'm like, yeah,
those podcasters.
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Man, both podcast historians, that they're the scum of the earth.
They suck history is really important, and and you know what,
we want to be political. We want to be political.
But let's just let's just tap our little toe into it.
Can we tap a little toe into it? You will
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permit me to tap my toe into this one?
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Cheers.
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The executive branch has no business reaching into the Smithsonian. Yeah,
just a general assault on the field of history and
public history as it stands. I mean, this has been
a battle with the National Park Service all summer and
(10:35):
now this is just.
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In the same Smithsonian alone. Because here's the thing is
that the people who are there, people who are doing
the work for the Smithsonian, are insanely qualified to be
doing what they're doing, but some people are not. So
we'll leave it be, but leave the Smithsonian b is
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the point.
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Yeah, I mean, this was I thought the best response
to it all came from the aaslh SO, the American
Association of State and Local History. I mean, I just
thought they killed it here. The administration claims that it's
(11:21):
interference with the Soonian National Park Service, another federal culture
and other federal cultural agencies is rooted in a commitment
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in sceniory speeches, mass layoffs, funding cuts, and more, the
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Couldn't said it better myself.
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Yeah, this is I mean, to me, this is a
simple thing, because this is this is the playground that
we had to run around in, right, this is this
is a historical memory. How we interpret the past, why
we interpret the way we do?
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I mean, I mean, that's a major thing that both
you and I talk about on the show all the time,
you know, is how not only how do we remember
the past, you know, I mean, because it's it is
one thing to remember, you know, just a variety of
just fact things, you know, but everybody has different interpretations,
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and some of those interpretations just frankly aren't correct.
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Yeah, I mean, you know, just coming right out the
gate and saying, you know, they talk too much about slavery,
and they say, you know, slavery, it wasn't that bad.
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It's like, oh my yeah, god, yeah, and.
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We're playing with fire.
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And unfortunately we are in twenty twenty five seeing the
rise of anti Semitism, especially amongst you know, young men.
So that's kind of in the same school of thought, uh,
sort of slavery apologists. It's not I don't think it's
it's shocking that those two kind of worship at the
(13:19):
same church, if you will. Yeah, but it's a problem.
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Yep. Well, here we are to do our due diligence
and try and make a more informed electorate.
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Yes, we we're avoiding being those podcasters.
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Someone asked me the other day, They're like, why do
you Why are you into history? Why why do you
why do you teach? Why are you so dedicated to history?
And I said, because I want to make a more
informed electorate. And they're like, you say that about everything,
so they do, and it really is just my goal
at the end of the day is to make at
least one voter, one citizen of the United States just
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a little bit more informed.
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Stop and think a little bit, you know.
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I try to present things that make you stop and
go hmmm, and not go oh, he did his own research, Like, yeah,
I do my own research. Yeah, I research binders full
of crap here, but you know, not in like the
weird nutty professor way.
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Yeah.
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Anyways, not what we're here for. So we've been understandably
a little bit busy. But while we kind of pine
over the fact that we've had a lot going on
in the last couple of days and weeks, why don't
we hit a quick, little two minute commercial break and
we come back and we, uh, let's talk about this
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is a fun topic. Right, Let's talk about Huey p
and Lolong and the coup that almost possibly maybe could
have been and was for a minute and then wasn't
or maybe it was anyways. Uh, let's let's hit a
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So let's dive into this because this is a fun one.
I don't know, I stumbled across. I stumbled on this
while stumbling on something else. Yeah. I was doing my
eighteen seventy four research and I was like, who's in
Louisiana or I think I put it something like governor overthrown.
(18:42):
It was one of my newspaper newspaper archive searches governor
overthrown Louisiana. And I didn't narrow my date search, which
I guess flolk. But great news for me. I found
a funny I don't know if it's funny. It was
a real, actual threat, but it's a cool story. So
let's dive in. Of course, we know nineteen twenty eight,
(19:03):
hewing Long is elected governor in the state of Louisiana.
Hewe Long comes from hard scrabble beginnings. Now I'm putting
quotes because those are doing a lot of work. Wasn't
really that hard scrabble. His mom's family was very wealthy.
His father's family was kind of run of the mill,
but they always scraped by. I mean, this is not
(19:26):
the time to do favorite hewing long stories, but what
the hell, here's a fun one. While he was campaigning,
he would, you know, he would do like nineteen twenties
code switch. So if he was talking to Baptist in
North Louisiana, he'd say like, I used to bring my
grandparents with a horse and wagon all the way to
the Baptist church services every Sunday. And then if he
(19:48):
was down in South Louisiana with all the Catholics, he'd say,
I bring my grandparents to the Catholic Mass every Sunday
with a horse and buggy and they get in a
car to go back to you know, Winfield or whatever.
I'll be like, damn, Huie, I didn't know you were
so religious, and he said, shit, didn't even on a horse.
Speaker 7 (20:08):
Louisiana politicians have lost that ability to have that kind
of charisma, And I really do think that some people
try to be the new Hue Belong.
Speaker 3 (20:22):
Yeah, he rasponi, I do full of bologna responi.
Speaker 2 (20:26):
Yeah, like he tried, you know.
Speaker 3 (20:28):
And it just came out as like a fog Gon
way worn.
Speaker 2 (20:31):
Yeah, it wasn't Hueie, and that was a very specific
brand at a very specific time, and it worked for
certain people, it did, and Hugh he's elected in nineteen twenty.
Of course, by nineteen twenty nine state legislature tries to
impeach him. But this story actually takes place after he
has solidified Longism in Louisiana. He has made it the
(20:55):
governing force of the state. So he's gotten rid of
all of his opponents. He's brought in his own kind
of patrons in a way he's brought he's basically made
a self styled patronage system across the state. If you
helped him on his campaign, great, you got a job.
(21:16):
And he's sort of systematically replaced some of the highest
seats in the state legislature, including the President pro tempore,
a man by the name of Alvin Ollen King. Now
he's important a little bit later on in our story.
So right now as it stands, in nineteen thirty two,
(21:38):
Huey Long is posed to enter in on the national scale. Right,
he is going to head up to the big, big stage.
Nineteen thirty two is the same year we elect Franklin
Roosevelt as President of the United States, and it is
the same year that Louisiana elects to send into the
United States Senate none other than Huet P. Long Well.
(21:59):
In the November election, long is elected to the Senate
and the new governor, Governor okay Oscar Kelly Allen is elected,
but Alan can't take office until March when he's inaugurated,
and Hughey's on the outgoing governor so bo. According to
the constitution, who should become the governor.
Speaker 3 (22:19):
The lieutenant governor, the lieutenant.
Speaker 2 (22:20):
Governor, the lieutenant governor. Man named Paul Seer. That's a
fun name, Seer, sr Cy Paulser. Paulseer comes from the
booming metropolis O Jeannerette and Louisiana. Ever been there, neither
of I. But Paul Seer thinks, well, this is it.
I get to be the governor because he's vacated the office,
(22:43):
he's become the Senator. So then comes January. This is
supposed to be big, the big day. Hughey gets ready
to leave for DC, but he wants to make some
changes because he absolutely hates Paul Syr won't stand him.
(23:05):
With the way that elections work in Louisiana and the
way that the ticket is broken up. You don't vote
for a ticket as a lieutenant governor. You vote for
the governor, and then you vote for a lieutenant governor.
And they could be from different parties, they could be
from the same party. They could like one another, they
could hate one another. This is one of those instances
where they kind of got along in the beginning and
(23:27):
then by nineteen thirty two they absolutely hated one another.
So Seyr thinks that's it. I'm a big governor. Hughey says,
not so fast. We decides to do and this is
just like so perfectly in fashion, right. He decides to
remove Seir from office and replace him with the President
(23:49):
pro Tempore of the Senate, Alvin Olwen King. So he
replaces Syir with King. At the same time, Sear's back
home in Generette. He hears about this, and he goes
to a notary public and he does the only thing
that he can think to do. He takes the oath
of office as governor of the state of Louisiana. Amazing
because Yui has vacated it and Alvin Olan King's only
(24:12):
lieutenant governor, so Sear's like, I'm not letting you take
away what's rightfully mine. And you know, when you look
at it, constitutionally Sear has every single right to this office.
So Hughie gets word that Sears just registered an oath
for the governor, and he grabs a pistol, shoves it
(24:33):
in his waistband, and he gets his armed bodyguards to
drive him from New Orleans to the Capitol and baton rouge.
He stops along the way, makes a phone call. He
calls the state police, and he calls the Louisiana National
Guard and mobilizes them. He puts a guard cordon around
the capitol building and around the governor's mansion with orders
(24:54):
to shoot Paul Sear if he shows up. Sewar needs
a It's just wild.
Speaker 3 (25:02):
That is as Louisiana politics as you can get as
our old mentor slash colleague, slash old professor, doctor Ronald
treylor one set. If you want a degree in political corruption,
go to Texas. If you want a master's degree, I'm Louisiana.
Speaker 4 (25:20):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (25:20):
And little known fact, Huey P. Long What does p
stand for? It's not Pierre, it is Petty Huie. Petty
Long Madman is there's a reason to call him the
team fish.
Speaker 2 (25:34):
He pierced the hopes and dreams of paulse here. So wait,
so this gets even better. So Seyr gets to baton Rouge.
He shows up at the capitol and the adjut in
General of the National Guards, Hey, I just want to
let you know you're supposed to like shoot you see you?
(25:58):
So he decides to do. He takes his car, he
goes over to a hotel. I think he goes not
to the Heidelberg, but to the one across the street
from remember, but he goes there and he's waiting. He
sets up an office and we decides is like, all right,
that's it. I'm going to put together my cabinet. So
he starts picking politicians and aids. He starts appointing people
(26:21):
to hold these positions within his executive branch. As he
deems it he is the governor. Huey sets up his
office right across the street at the Heidelberg, and what
he starts doing is essentially tit for tat right, and
he arranges Seer decides, I'm going to take this to
the Supreme Court, because ultimately the highest court in the
(26:43):
land should be able to rule in this case, and
they will rule, of course in my favor. They don't
know Huie that well, I guess. Hue goes to the
Supreme Court and he actually tells, Syr you, actually you
don't have any inequal standing to bring in this case
before the court.
Speaker 4 (27:00):
I do.
Speaker 2 (27:02):
So he brings the case to the court and argues
it for himself, and if we know anything, he wins.
He wins, and Alvan Owen King gets to become governor
only because Hugh he essentially goes and threatens all the
support all the Supreme Court justices and threatens se here
(27:26):
with basically death and here for the rest of his life.
Never forgave Hugh ay long for this moment and would you?
I mean, it doesn't make any sense to just move
along after this. So King becomes governor for you know,
a hot minute. He's governor from January until May when
(27:47):
the inauguration comes along. And then okay, Allen his governor. Well,
Alan gets in and okay Alan, the joke right, the
old earl long joke is okay Alan. You know he'd
sign anything. If a leaf flew through the window, he'd
sign it because he thought my brother sent it. You
know he is the ultimate Hueing along, yes, ma'am.
Speaker 3 (28:08):
So we.
Speaker 2 (28:10):
Get allan in power from nineteen thirty six to nineteen
or excuse me, nineteen thirty two to nineteen thirty six.
Same time, Hugh, he's off in the United States Senate,
and this is thirty three. He breaks away from Roosevelt
and starts reeling against the New Deal. Same time frame,
(28:31):
drafts his own ideas to share our wealth society, and
that plan and that kind of national duel launches him
into the minds and hearts of the whole country. Between
him and Father Coughlin, they're preaching this kind of like
America First, and like this is the og America first,
(28:51):
so isolationist, ultra right wing. But these are two very
different polytical entities between Father Coglin very much to the
right and Huey Long very much to the left.
Speaker 3 (29:10):
And then there's FDR somewhere in the middle.
Speaker 2 (29:12):
And then there's the FDR who's painted by so many
as like this ultraliberal, progressive leftist, and he's actually pretty
much dead down the middle when you put him in
that room, right.
Speaker 3 (29:26):
And FDR is very unique, you know, because he's doing
things that you know, the American executive branch had never
done before. So in that way, that kind of makes
him radical, but not in like the you know radical sense,
like oh, he's, you know, this crazy socialist individual.
Speaker 2 (29:43):
Which is the same argument you could make about some
of Huey Long's efforts in Louisiana. He was doing something
that no Louisiana governor had done before, which was put
the power right into the hands of Okay through his
political machine.
Speaker 3 (30:00):
Yeah, but the Long Brothers definitely are both unique and
symbolic to Louisiana politics.
Speaker 2 (30:10):
Oh, don't worry, Earl makes an appearance.
Speaker 3 (30:12):
Thank goodness, I can't wait to talk about Earl.
Speaker 2 (30:15):
So this is like a long this is a long
standing thing.
Speaker 3 (30:18):
Right.
Speaker 2 (30:18):
So we have the initial coup, the failed attempted coup,
and that moment alone is enough for Huey to start
traveling with a bodyguard. No matter where he goes, he's
usually got four men armed with forty five handguns or
Thompson submachine guns. You kind of get your pick of
the letter on that way. So he's traveling with the bodyguard,
(30:41):
traveling all across the country. Nineteen thirty five rolls along,
comes to Baton Rouge. He's in a legislative meeting, which
is very strange for US senator to come to a
state capitol and try and lobby for votes on the
floor of the state House. But it's not out of
normal for him. This is very much a routine thing.
(31:02):
So he starts tapping legislators trying to get their vote
to impeach him, and named Benjamin Pavey as a judge,
district judge. He's opposed along long hates him. Kind of
long story short, you see what he did there, story,
I'm just good in those puns. He secures the votes
(31:22):
to impeach Bavy, he walks out the state Legislature, out
of the state four and of course we know how
this story ends. Pavey's son in law of Carl Austin
Wis is standing there, shoots him a point blank range
with a pistol, tears through He longs Adam and bodyguards
then cut Carl Austin Wis down. We return now to
our friend, our old pal Oscar Kelly Allen. Okay, Allen
(31:46):
comes barely out of his office, swings the door open,
draws a revolver of his own, and he says, hold,
it doesn't go any more. Damn shooting, not one in
on it, which is the coolest thing that you say,
Adam murder scene, right, Yeah, So the Hughey's taken away.
Of course, he died the next day, buried in the
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short election, like the spot election that's held, Alan gets
the votes to take over in the short term as
US Senator and for the long rest of for the
rest of the Long's term, it'll be Alan Ellender, which
is the weirdest name in the world because you want
to say Allen Ellender or Ellen. Anyways, Allan Allander will
(32:31):
take over for the long period. So we get to
January again. Okay, Alan's on his way. He's about to
give batners to go to d C Bran andwsn't dead
in two hours, collapses on the front step with the
governor's mansion. He's out. Who should step into the role,
but James A no.
Speaker 1 (32:53):
No.
Speaker 2 (32:54):
Basically was just a machine hack. He was just involved.
He was part of the hot oil sales that have
been going on within Long's henchmen. So they were making
money handover fist over unregulated, untaxed oil. I mean, you
want to know where the d duck box is. They
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didn't worry about the d duck box. They had oil
money to burn. They didn't care. But no becomes governor,
and Noah was thinking, like, all right, I'm the governor.
Now clearly I would be elected and I should remain
the governor. So he fought tooth and nail to try
and nullify the November election result, which saw Richard Lesh
(33:38):
become the governor of the State of Louisiana. Ultimately, can't
win this battle, can't maintain his seat, so he's out.
In May, Lesh takes over. He's an interim governor, and
nobody really remembers James a no. But no decides that
he's going to spend next four years trying to find
a way to destroy the Long Machine from the outside in,
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even if it means slashing and burning all of his friends.
So he goes after Robert Maister, he goes after James Smith,
president of LSU. Most notably, he goes after Richard Lash.
And it's in that mint that moment where Lesh opens
up the door to federal money starting to come into Louisiana,
starts allowing the WPA projects and the CCC projects and
(34:21):
the Public Works Administration project. So we start to see
a lot more of Harold Ickis. We start to see
a presidential visit to New Orleans where President Roosevelt sits
with the Governor of Louisiana, which neither Long or okay,
Allen wouldn't have ever done in a million years. And
(34:41):
of course it's where the coolest line that comes from
Malanian to a president comes from. That's the mister president.
How you like the mercers? I mean, that's just great.
Come on, come on, serve me that all day long.
But this is it looks things are looking up. Money
starts pumping into the state, and all of a sudden,
(35:04):
Richard Lesh becomes a popular name as a potential vice
president for Roosevelt in nineteen forty and then along comes
the nineteen thirty nine Do you remember nineteen thirty nine
Pepbridge Farms Remember Peppridge Farmers remembers when Richard and Lesh
embezzled the state of Louisiana out of a million dollars
(35:28):
and like people do that all the time these days. Yeah,
this was in the middle of the Great Depression, in
a hard hit Louisiana economy, and what they found out
was that Lesh was using these federal funds to buy
state vehicles and then use those state vehicles to do
(35:50):
private projects, like say, construction on a friend's house at LSU.
Remember James No. He hired a bunch of private investigators
and had them photograph all these trucks. Wherever they went,
they tailed them followed him. It's like a great classic
nineteen thirties noir film, Like there's just a pi and
(36:11):
he's like, I'm going to get that sound of a
dread hand exactly what happens here, and then he takes
a bite of like a shrimp poboy or something, or
they have a cup of gumbo. I don't know. We
have to louisianafy this classic. So this picture just happens
to show up in the New Orleans Times, picky you
and people go buistic. There's a state investigation to the
(36:36):
state House decides that they want to hold an impeachment
trial unless gets sick. He resigns because of illness, and
our friend Earl K Long becomes the governor for about
ten what eight nine months? He finishes out Lash's term
(36:58):
in then Welcome nineteen four and Sam Houston Jones as
the Reformers in but No believed ardently that this was
enough to destroy Lash and destroy the Long machine so
that when eventually he wanted to run for governor again,
there'd be no opposition. And of course all he does
is fan the flames of this already like tightness fireball.
(37:26):
So we lose, lose Maystreet. James Smith is gone, so
that really kind of leaves just Earl Long and it's
the face of his brother's old political machine. By nineteen
forty eight, it doesn't look like anything's going to happen.
Whole thing's kind of caved in while it's looking unpopular,
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and Earl gets back on the stage and No tries
to get back into the governorship. And this is when
Long effectively cuts the legs out from under James Now
and this long, storied coup that began all all the
way back in nineteen thirty two finally reaches its end
(38:07):
by the middle of the nineteen fifties, when the Long
machine essentially just collapses in on itself. We see one
last bid for power by Prolong in nineteen fifty six.
Outside of that, long Ism is dead. But it's funny though,
like even today, like you said, people try and emulate
(38:30):
brothers Long. Yeah, they try to tap into that same
vein of like that folksy kind of like do good
for one another.
Speaker 3 (38:41):
It definitely reminds me of like, oh brother, where art Thou?
Speaker 2 (38:44):
You know, O'Daniel?
Speaker 3 (38:48):
Which yes, which honestly, oh oh coma brother where Art
Thou is? Definitely some Louisiana political stuff because earlong. It's
funny because in the late nineteen fifties, like nineteen fifty nine,
right before he dies, he's actually committed to a psychiatric hospital.
Speaker 2 (39:13):
I love that story.
Speaker 3 (39:14):
I love it. I think it was like a Washitaw
Parish psychiatric hospital Manville. Yeah, against his will, and well
he had.
Speaker 2 (39:25):
Already been in Houston and he got transferred from Houston
to Mandeville. Yeah like that, then does the most wacky
doodle shit fires the administrator of the mental institution and
then pardons himself.
Speaker 3 (39:39):
Yeah, like that's that's so Louisiana. Like that's that's his Louisiana,
as as Beignet's gumbo shrimp po boys and drive through
dagery shops.
Speaker 2 (39:51):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (39:52):
Yeah.
Speaker 2 (39:53):
It actually kind of makes red beans and rice look
like a Texas dish.
Speaker 3 (39:56):
It does almost.
Speaker 2 (39:58):
That's how extremely I like the Oh brother are atout
comparison though, because like there's so many things in that
movie that's so spot on.
Speaker 3 (40:10):
It makes sense if you haven't seen that movie, do
yourself a favor.
Speaker 2 (40:13):
Yeah, but Pappy is I think certainly. I don't think
he's supposed to be Huey. I mean we talked about this.
He actually is a real person politician. Yeah, he's a
real person from Texas, powerful Texas Democrat. But in the
movie he's this kind of Mississippi productician and he talks they.
Speaker 3 (40:37):
Ish, which is it's so funny what people like think
of the even still today.
Speaker 2 (40:46):
But it works because it is accurate in so many ways.
It is just this perfect snapshot of depression.
Speaker 3 (40:52):
You're a.
Speaker 2 (40:54):
Louisiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Alabama. It kind of covers it all.
And that's I didn't think we were going to switch
into this, but this is this is a good discussion
because the movie, I feel like, is a it's like
a perfect exploration of race and class and justice in
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the mid twentieth century or the early twentieth century in
a way that they don't think we ever really look
at it because it's a comedy and it's a play
on Odysseus, and it's all these things, but it's also
really hard look at Jim Crow South because we see
that in Hitchhiker and all these things, right, and then
(41:39):
we also see the Klan make an appearance in the
eighteen twenties, and then there's this idea of democratic control
and refall, and then there's the justice system in you know,
chain gangs and like this involuntary sort of servitude thing
that it's just amazing exploration. I've I love the movie,
(42:04):
and like when you think about it on a deeper level,
you love it even more because it's just so much.
Speaker 3 (42:09):
More to think about. If you haven't seen that movie,
do yourself a favor. Uh. It is funny and and
there are parts that are definitely gonna make you say.
Speaker 2 (42:21):
Hm, remember well, I don't want God, damn it. I'm
a dapper Dan.
Speaker 3 (42:25):
I'm a napper Dan.
Speaker 2 (42:29):
So you're reading something because I know we digressed a lot. Yes,
I feel like that's a cool little story.
Speaker 3 (42:35):
It is, and and funnily enough, before I get into
what I'm reading, because it's been difficult for me to
put this book down. But you mentioned it earlier, you know,
you talked about doctor Carl Weiss getting turned into Swiss
cheese because he had attempted to assassinate Huey Long. And
(42:55):
I say attempt because I like to bring this story
into my classes when I talk about the assassination of
our student.
Speaker 2 (43:03):
Sorry, yes, you know your cinnamon toothpaste in the wind. Yes,
Chris Brown offered another one. Okay, Chunky marinera ew works.
Carl Austin Weiss was Chunky Marinara.
Speaker 3 (43:22):
Yeah, yeah, definitely. He's definitely holier than now. Yeah yeah, yeah.
So doctor Carl Weiss, he attempts to assassinate Huey Long.
But and I bring up this story because I try
to relate Louisiana history with world history. Uh.
Speaker 8 (43:45):
And again, if we know anything, Archduke Franz Ferdinand, the
heir to the Austro Hungarian throne, is in the town
of Sara Jevo uh.
Speaker 3 (43:56):
And he is assassinated by a man by the name
of Gabriell Little Printkipt and he is armed with an
fn FN model nineteen ten, which chambers a three point
eighty round which is also the same pistol that doctor
Carl Weiss is also armed with. And when they were
(44:17):
doing the bullet removal from Huey Long, Huey Long is
struck in the side left or right side, I don't
really remember, it doesn't forty five struck in the hip,
and they dig this bullet out, and it is a
forty five caliber bullet which is chambered in the Thompson's
machine gun or the call forty five handguns of his bodyguards. So,
(44:41):
as it turns out, Huey's marble house of the New
State Capitol probably wasn't a great idea because one of
those bullets ricochet and lodged in the hip of Huey Long,
which he dies from due to an af medical care.
And of course Huey Long's inability to sit well. I mean,
(45:03):
I'm like, I'm reading like some of the doctor's reports
about Huey Long's assassination and they're like, you know, Hughey,
please like sit like there's a you are bleeding out
of your leg, please sit down. And he's like, no, no, no,
I've got to do. You know.
Speaker 1 (45:18):
That's it.
Speaker 2 (45:18):
I have no time online.
Speaker 3 (45:20):
I have the Jerry mander A guy out that I
don't like.
Speaker 2 (45:24):
I have to go fix a vote real quick.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Yeah ah his spleen. Yeah, So what are you reading?
What am I reading. So before I say that unfortunately
one of I say unfortunately, I mean great for him,
he deserves it. One of our colleagues, doctor Craig Associate,
(45:47):
is retiring in December and he has plans to move
to Spain, to which I asked Doctor Saucier said, how
is your Spanish, to which he replied those survey I said,
my man, I said, and in case you want my knowledge,
(46:09):
you know, passed on to you. Don de los Banos
find the bathrooms, because I guarantee you you're probably going
to need that and beer for when you're done. But
the good news, silber lining of that, is that he
is downsizing his books. One of them I obtained recently
(46:30):
and it caught my eye. It is Alex Kershaw's The
Few the American Knights of the Year, who is everything
in the Battle of Britain.
Speaker 2 (46:39):
Yeah right over there.
Speaker 3 (46:43):
Yeah, it is is so good because the book itself
and I want our listeners to read the book, but
I mean, I mean seriously, in the first three chapters
it tells like five different stories and it helps it
move along, you know, and it's I don't know, it feels,
(47:04):
you know, because it's following these these two guys, these
two American well one of them is American, one of
them is actually from Russia. But these these two guys
in the United States that are trying to make their way,
you know, to fight in the French Air Force. But
(47:25):
as Joey probably already knows, is that the Neutrality Act
of nineteen thirty nine actually forbid Americans from enlisting in
other air forces to fight on behalf of you know whomever.
Which came with a flame. It came with a fine
(47:45):
of ten thousand dollars and also a possible revoking of
your passport, but also talks about Churchill in his finest hour.
I don't know. It's it's really good. Reed Kershaw's Few book.
It's really good.
Speaker 2 (48:01):
That's a lot how his Tang book is that I
forget the name of it, but it's about the Uss
Tang that he's got like three different stories in the
first chapter. That way, you're constantly weaving back and forth
between the three. It's just a great writing device. I'll
be very honest with you. I've been struggling to actually
(48:21):
hold a book open the last few weeks because there's
just been so much going on. But I think I
have finally settled, and I think I know what I'm
reading for a little while. I picked it up back
in April, brought it home and just left it sitting
on my bookshelf for the last several months. But I'm
(48:42):
reading Zeno as the Cauldron, about his experiences as a
paratrooper at Margaret Garden. I feel like, you know, it's
close enough or almost the anniversary, probably finishing around the anniversary.
I'm knocking out like a chapter a night, which is
a terrible but you know, I picked up a couple
of different books, and no offense to some of my
(49:05):
friends that wrote them, but I couldn't do it. I
just wasn't holding my uh wasn't holding the old attention span.
Speaker 3 (49:13):
I have very unique taste.
Speaker 2 (49:14):
Yeah, and I'll be I'll be right there too. It's
like I've been working on so much stuff for a
murdering civil war the last month, because August was like
a hot and heavy month for me. I did a
little biography on General Thomas Williams who was killed in
Baton Rouge, and did another story about the seventh Vermont
and then of course John Bohood's anniversary of his death
(49:36):
is next week. When you hear this, so it'd be
the thirtyth of August. So I put together some newspaper
stories about that, and I was like, okay, now look
at doing something in September. Okay, well all right, let's
see seventeenth. I could do Antietam. I could do antim.
I could write about Antietamy, write a little bit pity
boppity boop about Antietam. I could do that. And then
(49:56):
I was like, oh, oh, but there's Chickamauga on eighteen,
nineteen twenty. I can own chick Asaug. So I've just
been trying to narrow in on a focus and then
I want to read World War two stuff. And then
I've been doing a lot of gaming, and you know,
trying to be a dad, and I've been trying to
remain physically active, and I'm trying to hold down in
(50:18):
nine to five and I mean, please give me just
a minute different hat. Yeah, how many hats can I wear?
And I'm trying to produce homebrew history. I'm running out
of hats.
Speaker 3 (50:29):
Which and this is something that and if you've made
it this far in the episode, good for you, first
of all. Second of all, to it.
Speaker 2 (50:38):
This was supposed to be twenty.
Speaker 3 (50:39):
Minutes it was supposed to be and look at us.
We did that thing again. Well, Joey and I as
old alma mater and my current employer just opened up
the old d Vickers Hall.
Speaker 2 (50:52):
It looked very nice, which is.
Speaker 3 (50:53):
Now home to the five million dollars Robin Roberts Media
Center and supposedly, supposedly, uh, there are some works in
which the man who produced our uh intro and outro song,
(51:16):
doctor William guitar slinging Robison uh and one doctor Joe Burns,
the man who is seemingly the voice of Southeastern Radio,
wants to get us a little upgrade. So that might
be in the work. So we shall see.
Speaker 2 (51:35):
We do like, we do like the idea of the
whole upgrade.
Speaker 3 (51:38):
We do. I do like that especially it's like, you know, free,
because we're alum. That's cool.
Speaker 2 (51:46):
Hard to pass up free. Also hard to pass up
an actual editor and producer, because uh, I thank you, boy.
Boy's tired.
Speaker 3 (51:55):
I'm tired, Bos.
Speaker 1 (51:57):
I'm tired.
Speaker 2 (51:59):
To go edit another episode of over Sack of Shit.
That's how I feel. I feel like. That's what you
tell me. It's like, oh, you're tired. We get.
Speaker 3 (52:13):
Well, I'll tell you what before before we get into
what we've been drinking on tonight. Uh, there is one
thing that we have to discuss. Cracker Barrel.
Speaker 2 (52:26):
Okay, so you fire away.
Speaker 3 (52:30):
Our friend j D hewittt over there at the History Underground.
First of all, we cannot recommend.
Speaker 2 (52:38):
Him enough, but his page two please do you know whatever?
Speaker 3 (52:45):
Yes, JD has a knack and I think he understands
the Internet a lot better than most people do. But
he mentions something like that, and when I I saw,
because I want to say that was probably maybe the
second second time that I saw that Cracker Barrel had changed,
(53:09):
you know, their logo. So I commented on JD's Facebook post.
I said, you know, this is a lot like putting
shag carpet over hardwood floors. And apparently that just resonated
with the boomer community that lives on Facebook, and I'm like, eh, okay,
I'm invited to the boomer cook out.
Speaker 2 (53:26):
Then I got hit with being a communist in our
comment section. Yeah, because all I said was it was
like I was like, well, JD, this is actually very simple.
What's happening. This is what happens in late stage and
stage capitalism is when we start building these chain restaurants
to all kind of look the same, all kind of
(53:47):
feel the same, all kind of be priced the same.
That way, when one closes, it can be replaced with
another one by private equity firm in a matter of weeks.
And some guy was like, that's what a leftist thing
to say. You're so woke, and I was like, I'm
wide awake. That just made a general observation. Yeah, how
(54:09):
businesses are operating in the year twenty five. Oh boy, Yeah,
that was a fun comment section. Did you see the
Taylor Swift one too?
Speaker 3 (54:20):
I did.
Speaker 2 (54:21):
That was another fun one where he was like, I
get it, some of you don't like her.
Speaker 3 (54:27):
I get it.
Speaker 2 (54:28):
Like I commented, I was like, much love to my girl,
Teas Whizz. I can't wait for the I can't wait
for the new album.
Speaker 3 (54:34):
It's gonna be exciting, ye know. And people have mixed
opinions about Taylor Swift. But here's here's the thing is
that when you when you become such an economic driver
that the American economy, and like American economists can base
(54:57):
how the American economy is doing based off of ticket sales. Yeah,
Taylor Swift guns last summer.
Speaker 2 (55:07):
Two summers ago, she was the number one US export.
Speaker 3 (55:10):
Yeah, just her, just.
Speaker 2 (55:14):
Just your music. I'm gonna be honest with you. I
don't listen to all of it. I like some of it.
I like some of her eras, not all of her eras.
You can paint me as a Swifty, I don't care.
I've been painted as a lot today, a liberal communist swifty.
Speaker 3 (55:32):
Throw all the hats on.
Speaker 2 (55:33):
I don't know that I'm any of those things.
Speaker 3 (55:38):
Here we are, we are.
Speaker 2 (55:40):
No one has said, has said what I am? A child?
Speaker 3 (55:45):
Yeah?
Speaker 2 (55:47):
God, who's whose quote is that? That's a Satuais cardinal player?
Back in like the fifties, Kurt Charlie Flood, Yeah, Flood said,
he said, they called me every name but a child,
a gird.
Speaker 3 (56:08):
It's so right.
Speaker 2 (56:09):
So homber History takes on the Taylor Swift haters by saying,
we love you t Swift.
Speaker 3 (56:16):
That's right.
Speaker 2 (56:18):
I can't wait for the comments on that one. I
might actually label the video like hombrew. History defends Taylor
Swift over cracker Barrel.
Speaker 3 (56:26):
And then.
Speaker 2 (56:30):
Huey Long Taylor Swift, cracker Barrel.
Speaker 3 (56:34):
We do it all, baby, And what's even what's even
more terrifying. Is that again? I'm I'm kind of uh
dropping hints to what will we will be doing in
the not so far future. Joey and I have been
invited to talk to a graduate seminar.
Speaker 2 (56:52):
Which is kind of terrifying that we're going to influence
young minds.
Speaker 3 (56:56):
It's true. Uh, that is terrifying.
Speaker 2 (56:58):
Who let us do these things we did by you know,
grabbing a microphone becoming podcast host?
Speaker 3 (57:04):
Yeah, yeah, that's right. We were two white guys in
the middle of a COVID nineteen pandemic with nothing else
to do, so that beard is perfect. Of course we did. Yeah.
Speaker 2 (57:13):
Oh, I would also just like to put in for
the record, my thirtieth birthday is just a few months away,
and I've already made my decision. Oh you know, the
we can go ahead and did.
Speaker 3 (57:25):
Do do do?
Speaker 2 (57:27):
The pick is in with the first pick in the
Joseph rg A selected World War two guy, I got,
I got rid of my smoker. Just cion are gone.
I've chosen. I will not be I will not be
(57:49):
purveying meats anymore. I shall become World War two guy.
Mister w Yeah, but don't look for any like the
the Weird World War two guys like the wear a booze.
Did you see those pictures from the Living History in England?
Everybody's dressed up like an SS guy. I don't know
(58:12):
Taylor Swift, I feel like she hates that.
Speaker 3 (58:14):
Yeah, well mostly red blood American probably hates SS Nazis.
Speaker 2 (58:20):
Well, you would hope, but you know, these days hard
to tell. I'll kin't that the truth? All right, we've
done this now? Oh my god, an hour? What's in
your cup so we can go home?
Speaker 3 (58:34):
Yes? I have been drinking on a local ale, some
hard hide strawberry whiskey. It's been pretty good. Has made
local here in bunch ju Law really produce right up
the road.
Speaker 2 (58:53):
Well, that's actually sounds delightful. I don't know if I
can do it.
Speaker 3 (58:59):
I don't know if I can do I.
Speaker 2 (59:00):
Will say I have found my new favorite drink thing.
I've been trying the the muck cools or mucked cools.
I don't know what they're called. How to cool, mock
mock cool, that's it. They're mocktails, but they're pre made
so you get like a peint colatta margarita. The one
(59:21):
I've been drinking lately is like a blueberry hibiscus mohido,
and I was like, that sounds terrible. Drink it delectable.
Speaker 3 (59:29):
You me have a snack for me, don't you. I do.
Speaker 2 (59:35):
I have Jimmie Dodgers for you in my pantry.
Speaker 3 (59:39):
You know what, see you tomorrow. Yes, Joey knows what
kind of stuff I gotta do tomorrow.
Speaker 2 (59:48):
That's a good way to come home.
Speaker 3 (59:50):
Joey has pre prayed for me. Okay, liberty, I'm not
a liberty to discuss that, but just no prayers have
been sent.
Speaker 2 (01:00:00):
I got the mission briefing briefing tent. Talk to the
guys in the quadset hut. I'm heading out to the
aircraft now. Yeah, we know what the mission is.
Speaker 3 (01:00:10):
You know we're gonna have to like do an unboxing
and like a have you had Jamie Dodgers before?
Speaker 1 (01:00:16):
Oh?
Speaker 3 (01:00:16):
Yeah, okay I have.
Speaker 2 (01:00:19):
I'm gonna be honest with you. It's not my favorite cookie.
I am more of a of a digestives, like chocolate
covered digestives. Guy, I like those a lot more.
Speaker 3 (01:00:28):
I'm so scared of anything named digestive.
Speaker 2 (01:00:31):
It's just a cookie.
Speaker 3 (01:00:32):
I don't know, It's not like a laxative thing.
Speaker 2 (01:00:35):
Is no, No, I wish it was because you know
that's always helpful old stuff. No, not that.
Speaker 3 (01:00:42):
I feel like we're gonna have to like tag Norma
and and maybe Paul. Uh what we do that an
unboxing Jamie Dodger video.
Speaker 2 (01:00:50):
We have the technology to just make one.
Speaker 3 (01:00:53):
We do.
Speaker 2 (01:00:54):
So I'm feeling like you're coming over tomorrow and we're eating.
Speaker 3 (01:00:57):
Cookies anyway if that's the case, and I better get
to sleep because that means tomorrow I can get cookies.
Speaker 2 (01:01:04):
I have to go move things. So you're having whiskey,
I'm having tea. Uh for all of us here at
Homebrew history, history, good night, and good luck.
Speaker 4 (01:01:23):
Let me give us out of here.
Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
Talking about home.
Speaker 7 (01:01:46):
Everybody history, pot past, go back to the past.
Speaker 1 (01:01:55):
When the past get.
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