3 INSANE new ways to blame MEN! (Plus 6 SHOCKING INCEL Emojis!)

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian.
I'm here with Allison and this is three insane new
ways to blame men plus six shocking in cell emojis,
where we're going to be looking at a couple of
misinterest things on the internet again and we hope that

(00:20):
you will join us. So yeah, in.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Our ongoing efforts to prevent people from internalizing this crap, Yeah,
we shall market thoroughly.

Speaker 1 (00:33):
Yep. Sound that sounds like what we're doing. So before
we get into that, we're gonna be looking at at
least two things. I guess it depends. First, we have
this article from the Times which is acknowledging the existence
of a crisis with men, the problems that men are

(00:53):
facing and how little support they're getting. But like whose
fault is it? Though? And this is the important question,
not like how do we fix it? But who's who
do we blame? And this is important because there's one
thing you can never blame. But we'll get into that
when we get to the article. If there's time, we
have well, there's a Inceel emoji newsletter warning something going

(01:20):
out we're going to look at this as well. Post
it on the school in the Yeah, in a school, Well,
you got to look out for those.

Speaker 2 (01:27):
Emojis, right, yes, you got to. You gotta learn the
signs so that you can intervene before your your son
becomes involuntarily celibate. And you need to do that young,
So make sure your son is not involuntarily celibates, making.

Speaker 1 (01:45):
Sure he's out there crushing puss at fourteen so that
he doesn't start hating women.

Speaker 2 (01:50):
Yeah, exactly, thirteen Yeah, thirteen thirteen. That's generous. I mean,
really really involved parents should be making sure their sons
are doing that at sex right seven? Like god, why
even wait? No, no, god, damn human.

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Speaker 2 (04:14):
Yeah I did.

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I did.

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Indeed I did not forget that.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
Yeah, all right, okay, so we're gonna start with this
Times article then, mm hmm, oh good. All right. So
this article is from the Times and it is entitled
men are in trouble, But whose fault is it? A
survey has found that the demands being placed on men
by women in society has pushed them to a breaking point. Okay,

(04:43):
I like how they say women and society like what's left?

Speaker 2 (04:48):
Hmmm? All right, this is all three creatures from Alfred Centauri.

Speaker 1 (04:52):
I suspect Yeah, this is by Helen Rumblo. Well then,
but like, but those creatures aren't aren't society, They're in
our for centuries. So there's like people here on this planet.
When you say women in society, I feel like you're
just trying to spread because like, okay, so men are
dealing with it and women are the other half of

(05:15):
the population. Right. Survey has found the demands being placed
on men, on men, by women and society. So who
else is there besides women except men? But the demands
are being placed on men, so can it be men?
I think you're just trying to like spread the blame

(05:37):
a little bit, like you're trying to say, well, you know,
it's society. This is like a really tricky word society.
But anyway, Yeah, for all the time, oh, fretting over
the Battle of the Sexes, the outcome no one seemed
to worry about, is this one. The battle is over.
The Battle of the Sexes is over. Guys, we can

(05:57):
all go home.

Speaker 2 (06:00):
It's done.

Speaker 1 (06:00):
It's solved.

Speaker 2 (06:02):
Why did we have to have a battle in the
first place.

Speaker 1 (06:06):
It's a good question, like.

Speaker 2 (06:07):
What why why was this arranged, like who decided?

Speaker 1 (06:12):
It's just like one side picking on the other side.
Is it even a battle?

Speaker 2 (06:17):
Not really? Not really, that's that's that's there there. I'm
pretty sure there are words for that, but battle isn't
one of them, because I think both sides have to
start being I guess you could argue that the Manisphere
has gotten slightly irate, but that's not the same as
wholesale denying services for male victims of domestics, domestic assault

(06:40):
and sexual assault, and not allowing fathers to see their children,
among other things like that. That feels more like the
actions of somebody at war as opposed to I don't
like that, which is basically what the Manisphere is doing.
I don't like that. M M yeah, I guess you're right.
The battle is a bit and but again, who started

(07:02):
the battle? And why do we have to have one?

Speaker 1 (07:05):
Right?

Speaker 2 (07:05):
And I hear a lot of people like on Twitter
when I when I call out feminists that they're like
both sides like I, why do we have to have
this fight? I'm like, well, as much as I don't
want to have this particular fight, I suspect you're looking
at this from a perspective that men are the enemy,

(07:26):
that men oppress women, which you know, it's it's really
hard to step away from a fight in when once
it's started by the other party, once once the other
party has framed the other side as the enemy. Like it,
we gotta go back before we did that, right, we
gotta we gotta go back before we did that and

(07:48):
get rid of that. Otherwise we're still going to be
What what they really want when they say is don't fight,
is they want one side to be have one which
doesn't seem fair, you know, get what I'm saying, Like
feminists started the fight. Let me just let me stop
using euphemisms. They started the fight. They started the fight
when they framed the relationship between men and women as

(08:09):
one of enemies at war with the whole oppression narrative.
All right, that's that's that's the fund. And we won't
still be at war as long as we have feminists
framing men as the enemy. And that's what that whole
narrative does. Men oppress women? Well, what does that mean?
It means men are the enemy. Well, if you don't

(08:32):
want to have a battle of the sex is, you
got to stop calling men the enemy. All right, But definition,
because once you do that, there is the battle. There
is the perceived battle, right, you get what I'm saying.
It's it just comes right out of that.

Speaker 1 (08:47):
It's just.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (08:51):
Yeah. And also a second here, uh, and also the well,
it's interesting how it's framed, so let's go back up here.
So I just want to look at how this is
being framed. I don't know if the author knows this
or not. A survey has found that the demands being
placed on men by women in society has pushed them
to a breaking point. So we're already seeing that men

(09:12):
are in a they're they're being pushed to a breaking point.
The men okay because the demands being placed on them.
And then it says the battle is over, so they're
saying women won. But I want to know that I
haven't finished this. I did read some of this article.

(09:32):
I want to know how they're going to be able
to pull victimhood from the jaws of victory when they've
already in the first sentence they have already called victory
right in a way, it's in there but there. But
on top of that, it's like, uh, the battle is over,
but there's no jubilation because the men have retreated back.
Each sex went to their respective trenches to live a

(09:56):
life alone and without love. So now now men have
retreated and both parties have returned to their respective trenches.
It is that interesting?

Speaker 2 (10:15):
And why did this have to begin? Like, why was
this necessary? And I know why. It's because in the
nineteen well even before the Declaration of Sentiments, but building
off of that particular sentiment, you know, in the nineteen sixties,
feminists decided to colonize the entire concept of the relationship
between the sexes and make it whatever or define it

(10:37):
in such a way that it benefited feminism. So now
we're in the midst of this wretched war, right that
apparently women have won. Well, hallelujah, halleluju, hallelujah, women have
won the war. But you're right, they're no doubt groping
towards finding some way of once again labeling women victims

(11:00):
of the war against the sexes, which feminism started. Yeah,
proto feminists started with the sentiment the Declaration of Sentiments.

Speaker 1 (11:09):
Okay, all right, So a new study that survey two
thousand British men and women ages eighteen to forty five
revealed that men are at an unprecedented crisis point. They
have rejected old ideas about masculinity. They desperately want to
care for their community and aspire to be tender involve fathers.

(11:29):
Yet they despair of being able to fit into the
seemingly contradictory demands made of them by their female romantic
partners and society at large, with nearly half considering giving
up on love entirely. Okay, so yeah, go ahead, I
know what you're gonna say. Go ahead, I think I do.

Speaker 2 (11:49):
Men routinely lose access to custody of their children, they
routinely lose a significant portion of their assets and divorce,
and this is what we decided to do. And now
we're saying, well, they seem to be having an issue,
do it? Well, yes, because you did this to them.

(12:12):
This was feminist jurisprudence. And it was put in place
because because feminists insisted that the marriage was a horrible
battle field for women and they needed to have an escape,
and there couldn't be any kind of fairness and divorce

(12:33):
equitability in divorce. It had to go all to the
woman because otherwise she might be dissuaded from leaving the
battlefield in which she was always the one who was
most abused and battered and taking advantage of right. And
so you did that. You created a system that's highly

(12:53):
slanted towards women in divorce in order to under the
guide of feminist policy. And now you're saying that men
seem to be behaving like they're going through a very
slanted system that is intended to destroy them. Well, yes,

(13:18):
that's what you did. Congratulations, you have won. You're successful, right,
Like this was successful. This was a successful intervention into
family law in terms of we are going to create

(13:38):
a system that's highly slanted towards women that destroys men,
routinely removes them from their children's lives, you know, takes
away their assets under the logic that their wife is
owed half their assets, but for some reason he isn't
owed half the time with the children regardless. You know,

(14:00):
like you created the system. It's destroying men. Like literally,
they're like, let's build the destroy men's system. Oh my,
it's destroying men. Huh where did that come from?

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Like, okay, so here's what I noticed in this paragraph.
They have rejected old ideas about masculinity. Then immediately follow by,
they desperately want to care for their community and aspire
to be tender involves fathers. So are these things opposite

(14:35):
in the mind of the person who wrote this, because
what you're saying is that men are trying to square
a circle that can't be squared because they desperately want
to care for their community and aspire to be tender
involved fathers, which is what This is not a new phenomenon.
Men have always wanted to be, by and large, caring

(14:58):
fathers and involved with their family and be a pillar
of their community or be like looked up to in
some way, be live an aspirational life. Right, that's not
a new idea. But there's also old ideas about masculinity
that they have to reject. But they're not actually doing
that because they still want to do things that are

(15:19):
considered masculine, caring for their community and being involved fathers.
So these are there. The author is presenting these as
though they're opposite. It's like, oh, well, they got rid
of those nasty, old old ideas about masculinity, but now
and now they want to be involved dads and be
involved in their community and protect people and stuff. Oh

(15:41):
you mean, like men have always done throughout all of time,
Like they just want to do the thing they've been doing.
But you guys won't let that be because you don't
like what that means. You don't like that it is masculine. Well,
you don't like the idea that it is a positive
trait associated with masculinity, let's be honest. So yeah, so

(16:01):
it's just interesting how contradictory it is. And then they
acknowledge it as contradictory by saying, yet they despair of
being able to fit into the seemingly contradictory demands made
of them by their female romantic partners. I'm gonna ignore
the society at large because that's not that's made up,
Like there's there's just women. There's no there's no society
doing this. Like most men are doing what they want

(16:22):
to do. And some men are like, you know, struggling
with it because they're trying to like please women basically,
but they're just like having a hard time with it
because they're trying to give them what they want but
also be who they are at the same time. And
then there are men who say fuck that and they
just do what they want. So that's not the part
of society. That's that's feeding these guys contradictory demands. It's

(16:43):
just women doing that, so that this is the truth
of it. Right, Yet they despair of being able to
fit into the seemingly contradictory demands made of them by
their female romantic partners. That's all you need to say,
which is true because women say one thing like I
want this because I was told I should want this
from men by like my peers and my teachers and

(17:04):
TV and movies and you know, advertisements. But actually I
don't want those things. You know, I'm whatever. I want
a man who is a man I don't want or
whatever that is right, I want a masculine man. I
don't want like the a New Man and U m
a n I don't want Pedro Pascal, you know, I
want Kurt Russell or you know, young Russell Crowe or

(17:28):
whatever and so like. So, yeah, I think that's interesting.
And it says with nearly half considering giving up on
love entirely, Yeah, because it's too much work. So that
that's the that That's what I thought about that paragraph.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Yeah, it's those are some good thoughts. Let's let's move
to the next one.

Speaker 1 (17:48):
All right. This fits with a demographic shift towards men
and women remaining single. The proportion of Americans age twenty
five to thirty four living without a spouse or a
partner has doubled in five decades to fifty percent for
men and forty one percent for women. In the UK,
the Office for National Statistics last month predicted a twenty

(18:09):
percent rise in single households by twenty thirty two, with
the steepest surge in the thirty five to forty four
age bracket. Then we have these stats here. Fifty percent
of men have interacted with an AI partner. Fifty percent
endorsed red pill misogynistic ideology. That's though those numbers need
to get up more. Sixty two percent of men believe

(18:31):
women expect too much from a relationship. Those numbers are
very conservative.

Speaker 2 (18:39):
I'll say, yeah, yeah, although it's interesting, like a red
pill misogynistic content with the okay, operationalize that for me,
because I'm pretty sure that you put us in there.

Speaker 1 (18:52):
Yeah, it just means thying women could be part of
the problem. And I mean that's that's really the most
charitable way I can put it, yep, is that there
are people who say, yeah, women are part of the problem.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (19:06):
They don't even say the whole problem. And I you know,
but that's still misogynistic ideology because the last thing or
or they'll say feminism is the problem and they they
can't have that. That that cannot that cannot be like
that's like that's the thing they're caping for in this article.
I guarantee it. It's not even women. It's just feminism

(19:26):
itself has to be protected. It's not we didn't do it.
We just believe in equality. Guys. H So.

Speaker 2 (19:36):
I don't want to say, like, yeah, these are rookie numbers.
Get those numbers up.

Speaker 1 (19:41):
Yeah right, youna, you need to be more suspicious of
women today, guys. The research goes some way to explaining
why men are turning humans into a species of panda.
More men, Why men are.

Speaker 2 (19:54):
Turning, why men are turning.

Speaker 1 (20:01):
This?

Speaker 2 (20:02):
This is how men are suffering, guys, and this is
why they are doing this. Like that was really did
you notice that?

Speaker 1 (20:10):
Yeah? Why men?

Speaker 2 (20:12):
We go back up a bit, like just let's let's
go back up. Okay, let's do I mean, let's let's
just really summarize this. Okay, all right, So they are
now blaming men for this situation. Is it possible that
the men are right and the average woman no longer

(20:32):
thinks that the average man is an acceptable partner, right,
Maybe maybe they're right. Maybe that's sixty two percent of
men believe women expect too much from relationship. In other words,
women are no longer accepting the fact that an average
woman is deserves an average man, right, that that's that's
how it works, that how it be. But now women

(20:55):
are not accepting that because they're they're expects are out
of this world, like they're ridiculous, and men are noticing that,
and they're saying that. But somehow the fact that men
are noticing is the reason why it's happening. This is

(21:15):
some serious three year old logic. Is this like what
the kind of logic that you have when you don't
you don't understand object permanence yet and you think that
if you can't see the monster, the monster can't see you,
like it's it is. This is absurdity like this, this

(21:36):
is a thought that shouldn't come out of an adult's head.
And yet here we are. Here we are. It has
been written down, It has gone through the editorial staff
at the Times who put a check mark in their
checkmark column and said, yeah, this is good to go everyone,
the thought process of a three year old right here, Yeah,

(22:00):
this is happening because men noticed it happening. If they
hadn't noticed it happening, it wouldn't be happening. So it's
men noticing it happening. That's the real misogyny. Okay, I
have to.

Speaker 1 (22:17):
That's all right. More men were willing, sorry, more men
were unwilling to undertake the compromise or self improvement relationships require,
so they're just not willing to put to do the
work that Like, again, we already established that the landscape
is an absolute disaster and that women are, you know,

(22:38):
at least putting out absolutely mixed signals, contradictory cultural demands
are being made, and it's not by men. It's only
by women. It's not even by men in society, whatever
that means. And men are like, yeah, you know what,
it's not worth it. It's too dangerous and it's not
that's like not even taking into a the amount of

(23:01):
cultural damage that me too has done, and they're just like,
why aren't men trying to fix this? Like that's that's it.
We remember when we were at the we have all
the good men gone stage. Now we're at the Why
aren't men fixing the thing we broke? Yes, we're the past.

Speaker 2 (23:21):
Yes, but he has a problem. We just asked men
to fix it or just the.

Speaker 1 (23:25):
Man that they do, and blame them for it being broken.
Why did you break this? No more? Why did you
let us break this?

Speaker 2 (23:32):
Why did you let us break this?

Speaker 1 (23:34):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (23:34):
This, like I said, three year old logic?

Speaker 1 (23:37):
Yep. Okay. So, when faced with the idea quote, I
would have to change too much about myself, such as
my values or behaviors to make a serious relationship work
long term quote forty end quote, forty four percent of
men agreed, compared with thirty three percent of women. A
quarter of men bleakly said that they believe no one

(23:59):
would fall in love with them. A serious relationship was
too big a financial commitment, said forty one percent of men,
significantly more than women. It comes as no surprise if
fifteen percent of men have interacted with an AI or
virtual partner.

Speaker 2 (24:13):
Okay, so the research goes some way to explaining why
men are turning humans into a species of panda. That's ridiculous. Okay,
So now we've basically just pivoted men. Is anyone surprised
we're blaming men? Women expectations and relationships are insanely high? Why? Well,

(24:34):
obviously because of men. Men did that, you know, and
women think that men are a poor choice in a
relationship partner. Obviously because of men, Not because of the
trillion dollar media narrative that basically describes men as the
worst possible option for women in their lives. No, it's

(24:55):
because of men. Did men change that much? Really? In
last couples? They're still doing the things that keep society running, right,
There's not a heck of a lot that men did
are doing differently. Maybe there's more unemployment, but hell, go
back to the Great Depression. There was a lot then.
So what's really going on here? Well, obviously, the thing

(25:18):
that we can't say is going on, which is really
astounding with that subtitle, is that women might be to
blame for some of this. Mm hm. I would have
to change too much about myself, such as my values
or behaviors to make a serious relationship work long term.
Forty four percent of men agreed, maybe it's because of

(25:39):
women's mad dash leftward? Yeah, like you like men are
noticing they now have to be an extreme leftist to
even be able to be considered as relationship worthy by women.
Except even if they did become an extreme leftist, they

(26:00):
would have to actually allow things potentially like she gets
to step out on him, you know that kind of stuff.

Speaker 1 (26:08):
How much of his personal life would he also be
expected to give up because he says, I would have
to change too much about myself. It's just it's not
just your values, which we are kind of covering there,
but also like, you know, like I want to hang
out with my friends. Can I do that? I want
to you know, I have hobbies. I want to engage
in them. Whatever are those going to be like a problem? Like,

(26:32):
because the thing is is that a lot of guys
do worry that women, if they get involved with them,
will kill their social life outside of a relationship, right
not let them hang out with their friends. Women often
meddle in that stuff. And it's interesting that only thirty
three percent of women are worried about that, and like

(26:53):
it's a much lower number because they're probably like in
the let's say the driver's seat in terms of options,
so they're like, well, he's just gonna have to deal
with the fact that I'm going to have my girlfriends
and I'm going to go to the club and I'm
going to do this, and most men will just be
okay with it, so they're generally not concerned that, Like
basically women are not actually going to be expected to

(27:16):
change as much as men, which is why your women
are worried.

Speaker 2 (27:20):
Yeah, and doesn't that sort of say something about expectations
in the relationship for men and women right, Like, and
nobody's saying the obvious. Maybe there's an issue with controlling
abuse among women in order to be engaging in it
or perpetuating it with their male partners, and men are
noticing that. And also they're noticing that there's an asymmetry

(27:43):
in the amount of hand like the amount of control
men versus women wheeled over the relationship. Like in the UK,
they just passed the law that it's no longer considered
like this is this like the precise opposite of shared custody.
It's no longer considered to be in the best interest

(28:04):
of the child to maximize his or her time with parents.
That's no longer considered in the best interest of the child.
So if men had a shot in the UK, of
seeing their kids after divorce. So that's gone like that,
that's it's like the exact opposite of shared custody, which
has been rolled out in Kentucky and now a few

(28:26):
more states, which is the presumption is that both parents
should have equal parenting time after divorce. Now in the UK,
the presumption is that it's not even a good thing
if the child sees his father after divorce. That's not
even and that's not even, that's not even something you
really want to aim for. Ah, And the men in

(28:48):
the UK are like, I feel like I'm gonna have
to abide by another person who gets to make all
the major decisions for me in the relationship, because literally
they are relationship and the woman is unsatisfied, she leaves,
she takes the kids, she gets half the stuff. There
you go. She's the one who's got the eject button,

(29:09):
you know, and you're you're basically trying to have a
relationship with somebody who's you know, got the eject bucking
right here. It's always like, hmmm, are you good enough?
Is your behavior good enough? Maybe I'll hit that button,
Maybe you can, maybe you can step up, you know, constantly,
and the fact is that men are mentioned or noticing this,

(29:31):
and they're saying, hey, I got this pressure on me
and I don't know if I like it. And then
they're like, oh my god, there are a bunch of
masogyness for noticing.

Speaker 1 (29:41):
And so it's again it comes at no surprise. Oh yeah,
one other thing about this paragraph too. She said a
quarter of men bleakly said that they believe no one
would fall in love with them. And then it follows
a serious relationship was too big a financial commitment said
forty one for percent of men, significantly more than women.

(30:02):
So they don't give you the women statistic. And do
you know why men are concerned about financial commitments a
lot more than women are? For their part? Do you
guys know why? Can you guess? You guess what it
might be? Why men are more worried that they're not
making enough money to enter relationship and women are not
as worried, not even it's actually so so much less

(30:26):
that the person who wrote this article didn't even feel
the need to put down the statistic for women. Can
you guess? I'll give you guys a guess. I'll wait,
but anyway, put it in the chat. Yeah, yeah, I
think I think we know, but I think we got.

Speaker 2 (30:46):
Yeah, a slight impression, a possible thought of thought.

Speaker 1 (30:54):
Yeah, all right. Some sixty two percent of men agreed
that quote women have too many expectations of how men
should be in relationships these days. End quote, they're not wrong.
Most surprisingly, nearly half of women agreed with that one. Oh.
Even women are like, yeah, we do and it's fine.

(31:18):
Possibly related to this messy disconnection, almost a quarter of
young men age eighteen to thirty five admitted that they
actively sought out pornography that depicted strangulation or other violent content.
Second way much, that's a strange sidetrack or digression. So
they're just possibly related. This is a stretch. Are you

(31:41):
are you getting this?

Speaker 2 (31:42):
Yeah? I'm just I'm like looking at this, I'm just like, oh,
they did that? Did they? So? Some sixty two percent
of men agreed that women have too many expectations of
how men should be in relationships these days. Most surprisingly,
nearly half of women agreed with that one. Okay, so
women are noticing too. Must be the internalized misogynies. Possibly
related to this messy disconnection, Almost a quarter of young

(32:04):
men age admitted they actively sought out pornography. That depicted
strangulation or other violent content. What does that have to
do with women having too many expectations? Are they amplying
that the expectations that women have is not being strangled.

Speaker 1 (32:19):
Like no, I think the expectations might be that they
do strangle them. You know, women are into that, So
like it could be it could be that women want
more violent sexual con you know, like experiences, and men
are like not comfortable with that. And I get it,
Like it's not just because they're not a turn on,

(32:41):
but also because like, dude, are you trying to get
me killed? Are you trying to get me thrown in
jail forever? Like what? So, Yeah, it's weird that they're
that they're they're they're trying to suggest about these things together. Yeah,
they're smashing things, yeah for sure.

Speaker 2 (32:57):
Yeah, because they're trying to say that the values and
behavior is that men have to let go of are violent.
They're really trying to pay a picture, desperately trying to
paint a picture. And what was the amount of women
who sought out violent violent content in their pornography or

(33:18):
romance novels like this is this is this is a
completely orphan statistic here, and it also, like, what, how
does this relate at all to women's expectations in a
relationship unless they're trying to say that women having high
expectations is related to violence in sexuality, So men are

(33:39):
failing to live up to women's expectations that they not
be violent, or alternatively, because men aren't living up to
women's expectations, they're becoming violent. Like this is just like
it's just like, you know, you go and there's some punch,
you know, you're at a party and there's a punch,
and there's a ladle and the cups and there's a
big fucking turd in there. That's what that sentence is.

(34:02):
It's like that I was no, this is this is
this should This sentence is repulsive and it has nothing
to do with men. It has to do with what
these people are trying to slip into you in terms
of your conclusions. Yep, all right, let's get past the
turd in the punch bowl, all right?

Speaker 1 (34:24):
Uh. Gary Barker, CEO and founder of Equimundo is an
American developmental psychologist who, after witnessing a boy murdered by
another boy while sitting in their high school cafeteria in Texas,
decided to spend his life working to help men to
become safer, healthier, and happier again a weird thing that
a turd in the bowl again. He has advised the

(34:48):
un okay on male violence and Equimundo is a nonprofit
organization based in Washington that offers international research and policy
ideas in this field. Lots of flags in that sentence.
This is the first time and as research British men.
What surprised him the most, Well, it was both surprising

(35:08):
and Barker replies, that state of lovelessness. So the world
of dating apps combined with porn, combined with I can't
say you're going too far.

Speaker 2 (35:19):
We gotta commentary otherwise we don't get much in the
way of some decent shorts. Okay, So what was both
surprising and sad was the state of loveliness, lovelessness. I
didn't actually say anything about the twenty five percent of

(35:41):
men think they will never be loved. Well, yeah, I'm
actually surprised it's that low considering what men are bombarded
with day in and day out. Right, Like if you're
if you're constantly telling and showing men things like adolescents
and destroying their prospects in relationship and destroying fairness in

(36:02):
family courts and also destroying their ability to have redress
when their partners are abusive. Well, you know what, that
stuff actually isn't relevant when they're taught constantly telling men
that they're the worst possible option for women and that
they are horrible people that are responsible for a systemic

(36:23):
targeting of women throughout all of human history, and they're
that awful, why would men think that they're Like, why
would you think that men would think they're lovable, that
they deserve love or they can be loved? Like, why
would you promote these narratives implicating men as responsible for
the longest running alleged atrocity in human history and then say, well,

(36:50):
these men don't think that they feel they don't feel
like they're lovable, Yes, because you called them a pressors
for seventy five years. What do you think that's going
to do?

Speaker 1 (36:57):
It is someone's.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
Psychologically And then for some reason, men are once again
being blamed for being called oppressors for seventy five years
and coming out the other end and saying I don't
think I can be loved?

Speaker 1 (37:10):
Like what.

Speaker 2 (37:13):
Delusion?

Speaker 1 (37:16):
Yep?

Speaker 2 (37:18):
Okay, Now.

Speaker 1 (37:22):
The world of dating apps, combined with porn, combined with
I can't be interesting to a woman until I have
a high income, combined with men spending more time online
and becoming socially isolated at higher rates than young women,
Barker says, summarizing the survey, So this is okay. I
think we have a generation of young men who in
some ways have atrophy relationship muscles. Listening to young men

(37:45):
in the UK, we hear some of that struggle that
leads to retreat. But I mean, like, are we going
to address these these issues that they say they have.
You're just saying, well, they've given up. I guess he's like, well, look,
I don't make enough money for women, you know, and
I feel like I'm socially isolated than higher at higher rates,

(38:07):
so I'm more poorly socialized than women are. I think
this is a problem. And he's like, well, I guess
you guys are just like, why are you so acropheed?
Why are you giving up? Why are you retreating from this?
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:24):
It's well because they're recognizing the problem, but they have
to immediately pivot to we don't have to care about
this problem. This is actually men's fault. Therefore, nobody has
to care. You know, pack up the carrying you know,
carring vans, pack up all the carrying boxes. We don't
have to care. Now, take them back to the care factory.

(38:44):
No need to care here. They're doing it to themselves.
The men are doing it to themselves. No need to
care here. Okay, all right, we'recoming socially isolated at higher
rates than women. Okay, well, can we go back to
that paragraph. I'm going to go specifically into that. So
seventy five years we've said that men are horrible people

(39:06):
who have participated in the largest, longest running atrocity ever
inflicted upon humankind. Feminists conjectures about oppression which have never
been proven guys never been proven true. Right, And we've
said to young men, young boys and men, you need
to take responsibility for rape, you need to take responsibility

(39:27):
for domestic violence, because you are the ones who use
these things to uphold your privileges. You are horrible, horrible people.
You are horrible, nasty, nasty ass people. And now at
the end of all that, we're like, well, why are
they having trouble socializing? Why do they have problems with
social confidence? Why did they feel like nobody wants them?
I wonder where that came from. Hm hmm. It's like

(39:55):
watching nematodes with no understanding of cause out just sort
of squirming around in their slurry. Oh god, damn, yeah, yeah,
shitting up the place, and then wondering why everything smells
like shit.

Speaker 1 (40:12):
Okay, all right, um, okay. This chimes with many of
the survey's other findings. When asked about the statement no
one cares if men are okay these days, which we
were just talking about stick to, sixty three percent of
men agreed, compared with thirty nine percent of women. After

(40:33):
the Me Too movement, men were often nervous about the
new norms. Now, that's a weird segue again with that,
like men when asked whether or not. When asked about
the statement no one cares if men are okay, the
majority of men agreed. And I don't think there's anything
wrong with that. That sounds correct like that that perception

(40:53):
at least, and they're just like, well, I guess they're
just nervous about the Me too movement. I mean that's
just women getting theirs, women standing up and speaking out.
I guess if you're nervous so it says more about
you than it says about us. Ha ha ha. I
don't know what the point of that is. We don't
think there's a huge amount of men who are being
falsely accused, Barker says, But you know, fear does not

(41:16):
work in rational ways. Do you want to say anything
to that.

Speaker 2 (41:22):
We don't think there's a huge amount of men who
are being falsely accused, but you know, fear does not
work in rational ways. Okay, So men have just decided
to be afraid irrationally, right, And you know what, for
something like this, it doesn't have to happen to a
lot of people for.

Speaker 1 (41:41):
Their to be completely rational. Yeah, it's completely irrational.

Speaker 2 (41:45):
There doesn't have to be a lot of situations where
a woman destroys a man's life for no reason, for
a false accusation. Because women are petty, they are vindictive,
just like any other human. Right, And if you give
women who are petty and vindictive like any other human

(42:06):
a weapon to enact their petty vindictiveness without any oversight,
they will use it. And that's what me too was right.
It was just increasing the scope of the harm that
women were able to inflict on men and they've been
able to do that. I mean then a freaking seventeenth
century I read a legal treatise about how easily it

(42:27):
was to accuse a man of rape and how difficult
it was to actually defend themselves against it. And that's
actually I've looked at the statistics from that time. If
you were a peasant woman who alleged that she was
sexually assaulted, you had the odds, the same odds as

(42:50):
any woman today of getting a conviction. People don't know that.
But if you were a lady.

Speaker 3 (42:59):
Whoever whatever, men you accused of sexually assaulting might as
well just have been blasted from the face of the
earth by a space laser.

Speaker 2 (43:11):
He was gone. And that was like two hundred years ago.
So yeah, this has been a problem for a very
big time. But now me too has weaponized social media
and corporations and men's own careers to be used to
destroy them. And it doesn't have to happen to a
lot of men for there being to be a significant

(43:34):
chilling effect on men, particularly since men are very much
defined by what they do by their careers. That's where
their value is invested by our society and women right where,
that's where the value is placed. I see that a lot.
I see that a lot of snide statements that people
make about men, right, that's where they put their value.

(43:58):
So if a man loses his career because he said
hi to a woman when she I guessed she didn't
want to speed said hi to by a man who
was about approximately his attractiveness, Well, other men are gonna notice,
and they're going to be like, Nope, that's that's it. Okay,
I guess socialization is off the table. And then this

(44:19):
guy is saying, oh, it's rational fear. No, it isn't. No,
it isn't, especially when you consider the benefit that men
get from socializing with women. At this point, is there
any like have women asked themselves that, is there any
benefit that I give to men for socializing with me?

(44:43):
Do women ask that? Do they do they ask themselves?
Is there any benefit to socializing with me in the workplace?
Do men find any benefit in socializing with me in
the workplace? If they don't, why would they take a risk?
Like the more you increase the power that you bring

(45:05):
to bear against men, if they you don't like anything,
something bugs you, or you're just you want their promotion
or whatever else, the more they're gonna say, you know what,
I don't get anything from socializing with women in the
first place, So why would I do it? Why would
I risk my life, my livelihood, the career I've built,
and the thing that defines me as worthwhile to everybody

(45:26):
around me to socialize with Susie in accounting When all
I'm going to get from Susie accounting if I don't
get a false accusation or rumors spread or them cackling
behind their hands at me, is some vapid bullshit about
a Tyler Swift concert and astrology. Like just just I'm

(45:54):
putting it out there. Maybe you priced yourselves out of
the market. And where did the whole thing that men
were socially atrophied come from?

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Well in this article?

Speaker 2 (46:08):
Or yea, was that another thing that was asked?

Speaker 1 (46:11):
Yeah, it was. They don't he doesn't answer, like why
they're socially just that rather, you know, them checking out
is is a product of social apathy. He's basically like,
assuming it's got to be anything except men are tired
of women's shit. It's got anything but that, you know.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
So yeah, yeah, okay, all right, let's see another article.
What's the problem with young men, my descent into the matosphere.

Speaker 1 (46:43):
Yeah, that's we, that's old, that's somebody else. But yeah,
I think that we covered this one a while ago.
It was June fourth of this year, and yeah, it
was some guy who infiltrated the manisphere. I think he
just went to like some Reddit posts, so watched like

(47:06):
some interviews, some secondhand information. Okay, So modern masculinity in
Britain emerges from as an absurdly chaotic bundle of contradictions.
First the good news. When asked to rank eighteen traits
that meant being a man, the results were touchingly wholesome.
The top ranked, descending in descending order for men and

(47:26):
for women, was first being a friend, then helping those
who need it, and third providing for the family. Okay,
so is that like some leap forward or is that
just what it meant to be a person for like
I don't know all of time? Like, like, are is
modernity taking credit for these top three answers that men

(47:47):
are giving. Yes, feminism taking credit for this. We did this,
We did.

Speaker 2 (47:51):
This of course, of course, is taking credit for that.
Even though they've been these, these have been this has
been the top ranked choices since time and memorial, like, yeah,
this is this is what has actually happened. And I
wonder if they'll go into this that these aren't actually
mask aren't considered masculine traits. This isn't really because you're

(48:12):
saying being a man, Well, then you're saying this is
not being a woman. And you can't do that. You
can't associate positive traits mostly or solely with masculinity and
being a man that women aren't supposed to have equal
access to, right, And that's the I wonder if I'd
be surprised if they don't mention that, but they might not.

Speaker 1 (48:34):
Let's see, maybe, Okay.

Speaker 2 (48:37):
The bottom four what the bottom fours, that's where we stopped, right.

Speaker 1 (48:43):
Yeah, the bottom four ranked were being in charge, making
lots of money, managing conflict with violence, and having many
sexual partners, all of which rated higher for men than
for women. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:55):
Well that's that is literally the feminist toxic mask, which
is the only form of masculinity that they allow, because
they don't associate any positive traits with masculinity the way
they associate negative traits with masculinity. And I know this
by inference, but also because I have asked this question

(49:16):
for fifteen years now and have never received a response.
The closest they've gotten is to refer to traditional positive
traits of masculinity. But then I say, do you believe
that these traditional positive traits associated with masculinity are genuinely
truly associated with masculinity or do you think it is

(49:38):
bias against women by people who adhere to traditional masculinity
norms by saying that these are masculine traits rather than
universal human goods that women not only are equally capable
of doing, but even do more of, you know, like
this is and they never so this when they say
TX that is toxic masculin the lower four traits, that

(50:02):
is the masculinity that feminism associates with men and manliness, right,
what would you? I'm actually surprised it's that low that
that people aren't just you know, saying what feminists want
them to say, which is that being a man is
making lots of money, being in charge, managing conflict with violence,

(50:24):
and having many sexual partners. Surprised because that's the last bit,
but that's what feminism says masculinity is.

Speaker 1 (50:32):
Well, the other thing is if women have those traits,
are those considered bad traits. So a woman is being
in charge, making lots of money, and managing conflict with violence,
and having many sexual partners. I can I know at
least three of those four when women display them, are

(50:53):
not just like, not bad traits, but they're girl boss traits,
are they not? Yeah? Okay, just making sure all right.

Speaker 2 (51:04):
However, while men collaborating on the hypocrisy.

Speaker 1 (51:07):
Yeah, well, I just want to add to it because
I think it's important that they only see this as
a problem when men display it. So, However, while men
said the key part of their identity as men was
being a good friend, they found this hard to put
into practice. Nine, I don't know if this was this
other thing too, is that I don't know if this
study has like the answer like a multiple choice answers,

(51:31):
So one of the answers is being a friend, or
if that's literally what men said. I don't think that's
what men would say. But because I don't know, friend
is like that that sounds a little genderless, like you're
just like like we're all we all want to be
good friends, right, But I don't know, it's just I
wonder if that's not a multiple choice question and that

(51:53):
was the closest thing to you know, being like a
loving husband or something that they could pick on. No, yeah, anyway,
so some fifty nine percent of men agreed, I have
to look out for myself, No one has my back
compared with a minority of women.

Speaker 2 (52:08):
What they're doing here. However, while the men said the
key part of their identity as men was being a
good friend, they found this hard to put into practice,
throwing shade like this. This entire article has been throwing
shade and blaming men me which attempting to grapple with
the concept of them having problems.

Speaker 1 (52:27):
Same.

Speaker 2 (52:28):
Yeah, some fifty nine percent of men agreed. So what
they're saying is that men say they're good friends, but
they're terrible friends in practice.

Speaker 1 (52:36):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (52:38):
I have to look out for myself, No one has
my back compared to a minority with a minority of women.
All right, keep going, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:52):
Men were twice as likely as women to agree with
quote men should figure out problems on their own rather
than ask for help, and.

Speaker 2 (52:59):
Quote, well did did did the women agree with that?
Or did the women agree with women should figure out
problems on their own rather than ask for help. That's
a little bit obscure. Yeah, men or twice as likely
as women do.

Speaker 1 (53:13):
Grow.

Speaker 2 (53:13):
Yeah, because women are going to say what they think
is socially appropriate.

Speaker 1 (53:17):
Yep, it's true.

Speaker 2 (53:20):
Okay, let's and the other thing is that this article
is self demonstrating, right, Like, this article is demonstrated, says.
It talks about men's issues, but then reframes them as
things that they need to what is it figure out
on their own? Like, yeah, so a lack of self awareness.

(53:44):
My name is the times. Okay, I'm gonna squeeh, you
gonna squishm gonna be squished, all right, all right.

Speaker 1 (53:51):
It is a contradiction. We know boys and men are
crying out for that, Barker says, a close friendship. But
I think we have to take it as aspirational again,
like I think that men want to form bonds with
other men and friendships, but I don't know that. I

(54:12):
don't I don't know if that's like an environment that's allowed,
because whenever men try to create a space of their own,
you know, it gets it gets essentially overturned by the
cultus China, the sisterhood. Yeah, all right. The saying goes

(54:34):
for the mixed signals men get from women when asked
whether being a parent is the most important job in
the world, eighty percent of men agreed, more than women. Yet,
when presented with the idea that men who are full
time fathers are not seen as real men, a third
of women agreed, not far off from the forty two
percent of men.

Speaker 2 (54:52):
Did these people understand under their own results? The individuals
responding this survey may not I agree that men who
are full time fathers are not real men. They may
not agree with it, but they may recognize that it
is a commonly seen attitude towards men. Like so, I

(55:17):
don't know, this seems like it's it's badly interpreting the results.

Speaker 1 (55:22):
Yeah, okay, all right, uh no, I mean again, like
being okay, you can. I don't think these things are contradictory.
You can. You can understand that being a parent is
the most important job in the world without necessarily believing
that men who are full time fathers are not seen

(55:42):
as real men or what. And I also agree with
that because well, because men who try to do the
full time father thing often become less attractive in the
eyes of their wife. And look, if you worked it out,
then that's fine, but it's not it's not like you
can just normalize it with a statement. I don't know

(56:03):
if you know what I'm saying. Right, So they're trying
to present these things as contradictions, but I don't think
they are. Okay, so they went for the questions that
we're trying to but yeah, sorry, go.

Speaker 2 (56:17):
Ahead, No, they're not contradictions. But they're also even even
if the men, hello, can you hear me?

Speaker 1 (56:28):
Yeah, I can hear you.

Speaker 2 (56:29):
Even if the men eighty percent of the men agreed
that being a father was important, they eighty percent of
the men could also agree that men are seen men
who are full time bothers are not seen as real men.
And yet they may say they should be seen as
real men, right, because that's not like. So the way

(56:53):
that this article is juxtaposing these two statements is absurd,
and it's like, I I think that this this article,
this paragraph just nullifies itself into complete noise. Just move
on to the next paragraph. My autistic brain cannot handle.

Speaker 1 (57:13):
This, Okay, m for the questions that we're trying to
tease out, how far men agreed with so called red there, Yeah,
can you not hear me? Hello?

Speaker 2 (57:26):
Have I dropped out?

Speaker 1 (57:27):
No, I'm here to the next paragraph. Can he hear me, Alison?
Can you hear me? Hello? What's going on? Video packet
lawsy indicator? Greed is good? Yeah, it's green, it's good.
Flames Alison, are you I can't hear you if you're talking?

Speaker 2 (57:49):
Yeah, I can hear Okay, Wow.

Speaker 1 (57:50):
There it's a delay. Yeah she dropped. I'm going to
read the next paragraph in the meantime. Okay. So the
same went for the questions that we're trying to tease
out how far men agreed with so called red pill
ideas about masculinity expoused by manosphere influencers such as Andrew Tate.

(58:14):
Here we go again, so a notice what they do
here is they say red pill ideology or red pill ideas,
and then they mentioned manosphere influencers, and then they drop
Andrew Tait as the name, as though he is the
face of the manosphere. And I just want to like,
for the record, we've been doing this for over ten years,

(58:38):
Andrew Tate, we have only heard about Yeah, I think
you are. Andrew Tait only like surfaced a couple of
years ago. So he's just become the face of it,
and I don't even know that he's done anything lately anyway.
But it doesn't matter because he is the useful sort

(58:58):
of like you know boogie man that they like to
trot out. I don't even know what the guy believes.
I don't care. Because we've been doing this longer. We
have a better understanding of what's going on. We're looking
at the law and the policy and we're discussing it.
You know, calmly. I'm not flashing a bugatti, I'm not
smoking cigars. I'm not creating a character and playing it.

(59:19):
I'm just being me. And we have been super effective.
You know. There's like making a difference in the military,
making a difference in the government, making a difference in
certain states on policy, having conversations. But I've like raised
awareness on this stuff for a long time. But I'm

(59:40):
not useful to them. I'm not like the face of
misogyny that they want to put out there. So they
just say they just invoke Andrew Tate. They invoke him
like a spell, and then it's supposed to just make
people go, oh my god, he is so scary. I
don't want to be like that, and I'm sorry, but
if you fall for that, then you're easily manipulated and

(01:00:01):
that's that's a that's too bad. So but anyway, it's
kind of it's meaningless at this point because that's what
they're gonna do. So roughly half of men endorsed thumb
regressive or red pill ideas, but in many cases it
was women's support for these views that was the more surprising.

(01:00:23):
So there were some women that were Okay, So again,
let's let's look at this. There they said manosphere influencers
like Andrew Tate, so they're not actually in the questions.
It may not have mentioned his name, It may not
have even used the terms red pill or manisphere at all.

(01:00:46):
It may just have just said, you know, like I
don't know, I like traditional masculinity, or maybe like men's
rights activists, content, you know, uh, stuff like child custody,
false allegations, paternity fraud, wrongful paternity, circumcision, you know, domestic violence.

(01:01:12):
Like that's sort of like you know, bi directional, and
and I'll countless other issues that are male issues specifically
that are either ignored or underserved or whatever. And maybe
that's how the questions were asked. I doubt that, but
I don't think that they necessarily said Andrew Tait. But

(01:01:33):
if these guys responded in the affirmative for you know,
like essentially supporting any ideas about masculinity of some kind.
Alison's trying to fix her computer stuff, then if they
they that might count towards it, even if they weren't
necessarily supporting it explicitly. So all right, let's see. So yeah,

(01:02:03):
but it is interesting. So they're shocked and appalled by
the fact that there are some women who also acknowledge
these problems exist and that men have issues, and that
feminism is not was not a necessarily positive thing for society.
I mean, that's an understatement. I know I'm downplaying it
quite a bit, but I'm trying not to make the
people in the special Chat blow a gasket by saying

(01:02:24):
feminism was absolute cancer for everything, and it's basically put
us in this position so where we're basically losing our civilization.
All Right, Women and men are swimming in the same
water about these ideas about manhood, Barker says, young men
will tell us women want a guy who looks a

(01:02:45):
certain way and is a breadwinner. We are very aware
that for men in heterosexual relationships there are huge expectations
that can be quite traditional among women, even as women
are telling us we don't want to depend on a man,
and it's even unfashionable in some circles to say you
have a boyfriend. These days, we hear young men talk
about how complex and difficult that is. And quote again,

(01:03:06):
though a lot of women do want a you know,
a guy who looks a certain way and is a
breadwinner and is very traditional. And what's interesting is is
that feminists will tell men that they have to change
their ways, they have to like disregard their toxically masculine
behaviors and ways of being and so on, and that
they have to like adopt a new kind of masculinity

(01:03:27):
that's more social, ie, become a socialist man, because that's
really what it is about. And yet they won't ever
tell women that they have to accept that because they
know they can't. And I've been saying this since I
started doing this, is that if you really want to,
if feminists really want to change like generals and dating
expectations and all, that they also have to tell women

(01:03:50):
what they have to want as well. And the truth
is they won't do that because women are not going
to change their preferences generally, and so that this is
a double bind that they're in. So all right, let
me see what you guys are saying really quick. While
I'm waiting for Alison because I don't want to read
too much into this. While she's like fixing her computer,

(01:04:12):
we're we're just doing some like spur of the moment
computer repair now. So I was wondering about this because
my streams seems really stable now, but when she was on,
it was like I was getting CPU overload and stuff,
and uh, hold on, I'm sorry Alison is saying that's

(01:04:36):
something wrong with her computer or she thinks that there is.
All right, so let's see what you guys are saying.
Murder of Crows says every male space that's ever existed
has been smashed decades ago. There's nothing left, not even
a peaceful men's only tavern to suck back a cheap beer. Yes,
they can't. They don't let them. They can't. They won't

(01:04:59):
let them have their own spaces. They don't trust men
with other men. That I mean, like and and I
think that it's been a like it's been problematized like
socially so that women think that when men get together
and talk to each other like bad things happen, so
they feel the need to meddle. And they also are
very like, let's say, insecure about men hanging out with

(01:05:22):
other men. So yeah, they tend to break it up.
So let's see, Merlin, you guys are having a conversation there.
I don't I don't know what that's about. Let's just
look in the in the main chat here I've been,

(01:05:46):
Allison says. I think waiting until the computer restarts will
be quicker potentially either way. Continue, Yeah, I am continuing.
Allowing men to talk to each other would lead them
to start noticing too much. Yeah, that's that's true. Tate
is a turd, a poostate on the underpants of the manisphere. Well,
I mean, you can say whatever you want about him.

(01:06:06):
It doesn't change the fact that he's out there and
he's popular. So I don't I don't really see the
utility and calling him a piece of shit, unless you know,
you just want me to signal that I'm not on
like on his side or something. But I hate doing that.
I'm not gonna do that. Like, he's out there, he's
doing his thing, so you know it, Like, honestly, if

(01:06:29):
we if we had our shit together, and men and
women were like getting married and they were having kids,
and there weren't all these problems with single motherhood and
you know, homelessness and mental health issues and like children
being abused and boys getting their penises sliced up for
circumcision and all these other things. Then Andrew Tate wouldn't

(01:06:50):
exist because there'd be no demand for the guy like that.
So he only exists because things have gotten this bad,
and if things get worse, somebody worse than him is
gonna come. And I don't really want to waste my
energy saying, well, I'm not with that guy. I'm not
gonna do that. I'm not gonna do it because y'all,
not you guys watching, but the people at home or

(01:07:11):
the people in the media, and the part of the
cathedral that put out these threat narratives about men and
women are the reason why he exists. So you get
what you fucking deserve. And this is why we are
in a position we're in. And I don't feel a
damn thing about that. No shame, So I'm not going
to condemn anybody. Do what you gotta do, will What
I want is the truth, and I'm willing to let

(01:07:32):
anyone who wants to have a conversation, have a conversation
to get there. And if you don't like that, well,
you know, I guess just suck it up, Buttercup, So
all right, uh tango, hierarchy is in the special chat,
being very special. He's like completely obsessed. Computer appears dead

(01:07:52):
else it says, oh my god, is Jonathan there? Or
are you just like being a woman on this thing?
It'll take me ten minutes to walk home. Okay, go
all right, let's see. And then you wonder why feminism
is a thing. Well, it was a thing so that rich, entitled,
elite women could like redirect funds from common people to

(01:08:16):
themselves ultimately, So congratulations, you're with the establishment. That's really
what it is. I'm on your side, Brian, I know
who you are. Peter Houston uh Kinoko says women have
the power to destroy men's reputations with mere words. Once
your reputation is shattered, it's very difficult to recover and

(01:08:37):
never back to where you were before you were sabotaged
by a bad woman. Betty doesn't engage just insults. What
do you mean insults? Do you know your wife in
real life? Yeah? She lives with me, Like, what do
you want me to prove? It? Want me to prove
I have a wife? That's so silly. How old are
you ten? Like it's not even relevant. How about this.

(01:09:02):
I make arguments and then you give me arguments that
counter those arguments based in facts and logic, and then
we'll go forward from there. Okay, you're eleven, yeah, okay,
and well I'm gonna ignore. You shouldn't be watching this.
This is not for kids. This is like hard stuff
to digest. You could just regurgitate feminist talking points if
you want to, but you don't even know what they mean.

(01:09:24):
So all right, anyway, let's see women and men are
swimming in the same Okay, so yeah, so women are
asking for these things too because they do ultimately want
a more traditional many. That's what they want and they

(01:09:46):
but they're getting mixed messages because they're told they're not
supposed to want that, even though that's what they want,
and that comes out in the media they consume and
in the things they that they respond to, the things
that they ask for and expect, So like they're expecting traditionalism.
Feminism is telling men that they're not allowed to be
traditional and that's creating the conflict because feminists will never

(01:10:09):
tell women that that's not what they should want unless
those women go against feminism and they criticize it in
some way, like Kristen Dunst did so. All right, Sure,
many men have had views that align with the more
hard right online influencers, which was perhaps informed by the
greater time they spent online on average a couple of

(01:10:30):
more hours a day compared with women. A third of
men compared with a quarter of women, said their online
social life was more rewarding than real life. A third
of men compared with the quarter of women. Yeah, well,
I guess they're not like I said. And that's another
thing too, is that if they're younger. You have to
consider that we were all told to stay in our

(01:10:51):
homes for about a year or two, depending on what
part of the world you were in, and it may
have had an effect on people's ability to develop their
social life skills during that time. It's if you were
really young, right, So we're talking about kids that were
in school that had to stay indoors for like a
year or two, and then they're there, they come out
and they're older and maybe even post pubescent and they're like,

(01:11:14):
you know, how, like how do you even navigate? And
everyone's on social media and stuff, so it's it's more difficult.
And again this is I say this with a lot
of sympathy. I couldn't imagine what that would be, like,
I'm I feel blessed to have been growing up in
a time before the internet. So I had to actually
go out, go outside, touch grass. Right, So let me

(01:11:39):
see Allison's walking home, so she's gonna be jumping on
a little while. But murder of Crow says, at this point,
some suspect the women ultimately desire a comatose corpse of
a man with an erect fecundity Pallas with a magic

(01:12:01):
infinity wallet attached. I don't. I mean, I think I
don't think women really want that. I think they do,
like most of them do want a man, but they're
just being sold a bunch of lies about men. And
if anything, you know, the supposed gender war is something
that feminists perpetrated like over one hundred years ago. And

(01:12:23):
the truth is, you know a lot of people talk
about traditional men or conservatives or whatever, but there are
no conservatives that like, they don't exist, they don't there's
just feminists of today, and then there's feminists of ten
years ago, and then there's feminists fifteen years ago. And
if you really want to look at something from a
conservative perspective, you have to go like pre Victorian era.

(01:12:45):
That's the only way, and there aren't many of those,
which is why there is a class of conservative I
guess they call themselves paleo conservatives, but even a lot
of those guys and gals are pretty like feminist in
their own way. I think that there is a relationship
between feminism and gynocentrism that it benefits, like a symbiotic

(01:13:06):
relationship that is beneficial to itself. It's self serving, which
is why we have well, like I said, like, we
have people who are feminists of today and feminists of yesterday,
but they're all feminists. Like there are no like I mean,
if you really want to get like truthful about it,
there hasn't been anything truly conservative since the fucking Enlightenment,

(01:13:29):
so like, but I'm willing to give that we can
look back at least as far as you know, like
the Victorian age, but I think anything after Mary Wilson
craft is basically cooked. So we're like living in a
you know, definitely a post feminist time. But anyway, Sherlock

(01:13:52):
Holmes is popular. Merlin says, we started and funded the
woman's movement so we could tax both sexes. That way
we could put women to work and take their children
to control. David Rockefeller. Yeah, but it's older than Rockefellers.
It's older than the Rothschilds. It's older than it's like
I said, it was like when Well, I mean, there's

(01:14:14):
probably something that looked like it during the time of Rome,
but I'm guessing that that. I think that the reason
why I bring it up is I see a lot
of people talking about, like, you know, the right, and
how they're just as bad or worse or whatever. The
truth is, Like I said, it's the when we describe

(01:14:35):
the bluepill world, we're talking about a world in which
a form of feminism is normal, and people wouldn't even
call it that. They would call it just like you know,
the world. They wouldn't even give it and give it
a name. They wouldn't say it's feminist. They would just
say it's the normal world. But it is ultimately a
product of a liberal world order that has existed for

(01:14:56):
dec like centuries probably, and we're in that and we're
embedded in that and there's no real escaping that, right, So,
like there's no point in the distinctions because that's the
world we live in. But anyway, kinocentrons and roots are

(01:15:20):
largely borne from mistakes by conservative It's it's but it's
an elitist thing. It comes from the elite. Like it's
an elitist perspective on courtship and romance, and it was
it's a twisted version of chivalry. Chivalry is real and
it's a good thing. It's like honor and stuff, but
it's it's not necessarily meant to be what it is today,

(01:15:43):
and it was created by people who have too much
time on their hands because they lived a good life
and they wanted to normalize it everywhere. And it just
doesn't work. I mean, it shouldn't have worked for them,
and it's not working. Sometimes things don't break over like
right away. They take time. So all right, anyway, Allison

(01:16:09):
should be on in a little while. I'll try to
read a little bit more of this, but uh, I'll
just keep an eye out in the meantime. So all right,
men sixty eight percent of them were more likely than

(01:16:29):
women forty five percent of them to agree that they
could have their reputations destroyed just for speaking their minds. Okay, yeah,
well I think women are generally a little bit safer
from cancelation. This is not now, this is about cancel culture.
Not necessarily me too, because the statement is they that

(01:16:52):
they could, that they agreed that they could have their
reputations destroyed just for speaking their minds. So women are
a bit naive if they think that that they're immune,
because I don't think they are, but it certainly can
happen to them. They're not immune, they're more resilient. I

(01:17:13):
suppose because they're women, there's like generally like more consideration
for them, a little bit more charity to what they say.
But I don't think it's true. Look at what happened
to Sidney Sweeney. He did a commercial for jenes and
everybody wanted to destroy her life. Now they didn't succeed
because it was just like flailing online and stuff, but

(01:17:35):
you know, they're still trying to destroy her life. And
chall she did was an ad But I think men
would definitely like have more to deal with. Let just
look at a disease. I'm sorry who just went on
an awkward date. With a girl, and he has basically
disappeared from public life it seems anyway. Also, men have

(01:17:56):
it harder than women when it comes to new opportunities
and are more likely to support getting rid of diversity
hiring programs. Yes, because it excludes them, because it's not inclusive,
it's exclusive. Men know that DEI programs are not for men,
even men of like say, minority group status like black men,

(01:18:19):
brown men, whatever, Even those guys are not considered when
there is a woman applying. So they there and they're
interested in meritocracy. Ultimately, they're more interested in that in
this context. Men's strong opinion that people take jokes about
typical men and women's stereotypes too seriously these days is unsurprising. Well,

(01:18:41):
they do, but I don't think take I don't think
men care about jokes about men, because there's all kinds
of jokes about men. It's actually normalized. Like the whole
twenty twenty four Kamala Harris presidential campaign was based on
stereotypes about men, and so was a U. The attempt
at bud Light to course correct after that disastrous campaign

(01:19:06):
with Dylan mulvaney where they tried to say, oh, look
this is a beer for men. Let's let's bring let's
bring men back. And they put like guys barbecuing and
beer bellies and stuff, and they thought that would work,
but it was so like cartoonishly on the nose. So yeah,
they're they're basically embolden to do stuff like that when
it comes to men, but not women. You can't do that.

(01:19:28):
I remember with women, all they did was they had
a campaign. It was like the Beach body Ready campaign
that was years ago, and all it was was a woman,
a fit woman in a bikini for some kind of
protein product or some something. I don't even remember what
it was about. And women lost their shit over it,

(01:19:50):
and I don't even know like they got taken down
or whatever, but I do remember there was a period
in time where all these like soap like uh was
the oil of Olay soaps and stuff, We're all like
featuring like fat women and brown women and women with
hairy armpits, and it was just to like say, man,
all bodies are beautiful, you know, don't uh, don't come

(01:20:12):
after us because they were scared. So there is definitely
like some people you can do that too, and some
people you cannot do that too. There's definitely two sets
of standards there. So does Barker feel more or less
optimistic about men finding love after this research. I'm very
excited my friendship coming out what I'm very excited by

(01:20:36):
friendship coming out top of what it means to be
a man. Okay, he says, that feels to me like
a gain in the world. That and the men saying
fatherhood is the most important thing in their life. They're
beating the there's a beating heart of men needing to
be connected, caring humans. So I feel panic, but panic
with a deep hope that men actually can and do love.

(01:20:57):
So there's okay, So there's no there's no solutions. They're
just like, well, maybe this is like typical New York
Times clicked bait, bullshit, no answers, no nothing. Theo Vonn interviewed,
I'm sorry in October. By the way, oh that's cool.
Is he doing okay? Treat yourself. Alison's still not back yet.

(01:21:21):
I don't know what's going on there. So anyway, I've
read the article, and I guess what I'll say is
as usual, these people don't offer any solutions. They do
studies and then they like they infer conclusions like, oh, well,
men do they do apparently want to have friends and
be dads. It's like, yeah, like do you need to

(01:21:44):
study for that? You need to do a study so
you can figure that out? So obvious. I mean, how
about just let them? How about we encourage and support
men and forming like friendships and brotherhood with other men
and then leave them the fuck alone. How about that?

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
Is that?

Speaker 1 (01:22:07):
What do you think about? Is that a good idea?
Maybe stop getting on their ass and hey, if they
like watch some Andrew Tait videos or some red Pill content,
stop freaking out and don't worry about it, because the
worst thing that will happen is well, I don't even
think that there it's gonna become anything bad. Like they
find somebody and that person wants to be with them.

(01:22:27):
Like even a lot of men who like get into
the whole pickup artists thing, they're not doing it so
they can, like, you know, run through a bunch of women.
Most of them are just trying to find a woman
and they're looking to get their foot in the door.
All right, Alison's back. I just got to connect to
I got to connect to your thing. Hold on, all right,

(01:22:49):
give me a second they can't hear you talking, so
don't say anything. No, not yet. All right, it should
be coming up here in a second. Yeah, there you are. Okay,
so you've got some misplaining to do. I guess.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
My laptop blew up with the badger kid. I don't
know what else to say.

Speaker 1 (01:23:15):
It was heating up. It was heating up. Yeah, I
noticed that. Well, when I was doing my stream, I
was looking at you know, like in the video Ninja,
I can look at the uh the upload bit rate
and a bunch of other like statistics, and I saw
that it said the CPU is overheated. And I thought
it was my CPU. So I was like trying to

(01:23:36):
like figure out, you know, moving things around. But then
when you dropped out, it was fine. So I guess
my my back room is looking at your computer too,
so I guess it was. It was overheated.

Speaker 2 (01:23:50):
That's slightly creepy, but yeah, a little bit. And how
much more did you get done?

Speaker 1 (01:23:55):
I finished the article? Oh yeah, I did. I just
finished it. I'm going to give you the summary.

Speaker 2 (01:24:04):
Sure, sure, okay, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (01:24:07):
Well there's no solutions and they're not blaming anybody. But
the guy says at the end, the guy who conducted
the study, He's basically like, well, I'm very excited by friendship,
coming out of coming out top of what it means
to be a man. So he's excited by the fact
that men are like, hey, I want to be a
friend and that feels to me like a gain in

(01:24:30):
the world. That and the men saying fatherhood is the
most important thing in their life. There's a beating heart
of men needing to be connected carrying humans. So I
feel panic, but panic with a deep hope that men
actually can and do love. So I feel like men
are capable of love, and it's a little bit encouraging. Yeah,
but that wasn't.

Speaker 2 (01:24:50):
Really the question, was it. It was whether or not society
And by society, I mean women can love men. That
was the question, Like where where was it in question
that men did want love and we're capable of love.

(01:25:10):
I think the real sad stat there, which I'm actually
surprised at and hire, is that twenty five percent of
men felt like they couldn't be loved. How did it
become about men being loving again? You see what It's
like a reversal of men being loved. But I take
heart the fact that men are still capable of love.

Speaker 1 (01:25:34):
Yes, that's yes.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
That's that's not the stated problem. That's like, then that's
not even addressing the stated problem. Like that's what was.

Speaker 1 (01:25:45):
That men want to love despite thinking that they can't
be loved, that they are unworthy of love, but they
want to And I'm encouraged by that. Nothing about women
though there's nothing about women. There can't we can't talk
to them, that we might have to hold them to

(01:26:06):
some kind of standard, like you know, because that ultimately,
if most men don't feel like women give a shit
about them, because that's what that's what comes up more
and more and more, is that they're really good for
what they can provide, what they bring to the table.
They're not expected to be cared for, They're not expected
to get support. That's what the all of the questions
are leaning towards. Right. Men don't think they have a

(01:26:29):
support network. Men don't think women are capable of loving them,
or at least some of them don't. Men don't don't
feel like they can make enough money, that they can
check enough boxes all this stuff, and yet and yet
they still want to love them. They still have it
in them to be fathers. They still have it in

(01:26:50):
them to want to have friends in their network. And
so you see what where men are at. It's laid out,
and they're still like, gosh, I don't know what are
they doing wrong? Like it's just what are the men
doing wrong? They must be doing We got to figure
out what they're doing wrong. So, yeah, whose fault is it?
It's men's fault. According to the Times.

Speaker 2 (01:27:14):
Like this paragraph, does Baker feel more or less optimistic
about men finding love after this research? Okay, let's count
how many ways he actually addresses the question. I'm very
excited about friendship coming on top of what it means
to be a man. That is not addressing the question,

(01:27:34):
and in fact, it's throwing shade about men in the
past and saying, oh, they've finally evolved. Oh look, modern
times has made men human. That feels to me like
a gain in the world. Why would that be a gain.

Speaker 1 (01:27:50):
That?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
And the men saying fatherhood is the most important thing
in their lives. So the fact that men now probably
they always thought that being a friend was important, but
now they put it out on top, and they put
fatherhood out on top, is a gain for the world.
Why would that be a gain for the world if
men can't be friends or fathers no matter how much

(01:28:11):
they want it. You see what I'm saying, Like it's
reframing it that that is blaming men again, right, it's
refocusing it on men are the reason why this problem is. Right,
it's not men have problems. They are the problem. Yes,
it's good, like they're making progress to solving the problem.

(01:28:32):
Because now, unlike in all of human history, where the
top of the list were meant for men was enslaving
I don't know, driving their enemies before them and hearing
the lamentations of their women. You know those fifties fathered,
you know your fathers, that was their prime. You know,
that was the first thing on their list. The Victorian

(01:28:52):
dads who wrote really eloquent letters about how much they
love their children, the first on their list was driving
their animal is before them and hearing the lamentations. That
has been the first on men's list time immemorial. Don't
don't listen to all the letters and epitaphs and songs
that men have written. It's always been violence and sex
that have been the first things on their lists that

(01:29:14):
have defined them. Because get to help the epic of Gildash,
you know, and how it was a long poem about
a callo and feckless young man learning to be a
proper king. No, that's nonsense. He was always good when
he was just aggressive. That's what men have always wanted.

(01:29:34):
But now now we have optimism because men have finally
become sort of human, you know, they want to be friends,
they want to be fathers. They're sort of human now
for the first time in human history. And then and
then that to me feels like a gain in the world.
That and men say, Okay, that's a beating heart of
men needing to be connected, caring humans. Okay, so how

(01:30:00):
did men? How does that help the problem about men
finding love? Okay? How does saying that men want to
find love solve the problem of them finding love? So
you see that this is blaming men here, right, it's
saying the reason why they're not finding love was sometime

(01:30:22):
in the past they didn't want to be friends and fathers.
Right there, you go, that's one man. And then there
was that that blaming men that was so baffling. Where
was that it was? It was up ahead. But research
goes some way to explaining why men are turning humans

(01:30:42):
into a species of panda.

Speaker 1 (01:30:43):
You remember that, yes, yes, yes, it was like early.

Speaker 2 (01:30:46):
On, women's standards are too high, the average woman doesn't
think that the average man is worthy of her. And
then suddenly we pivot from that to research goes some
way to explaining why men are turning humans into a
species of panda, Like, what would what would it take
for this through this writer to realize it's not men

(01:31:07):
choosing not to have relationships. Men are like, we want
to have relationships. Women are like, fuck no, we hate
those fuckers. And this research is why how is it
that men are to blame for the lack of relationship formation? Here?
What's going on? That's the second way, Like, actually, that's
the first bizarre way of blaming men for everything. And

(01:31:29):
then in here somewhere is I'm pretty sure blaming men
for everything because they're far right.

Speaker 1 (01:31:35):
Well entertate the manisphere? Manisphere? Do you want to hear
that bit about the manisphere? All right, let's see if
I can find it here. Okay, The same win for

(01:31:57):
questions that we're trying to tease out, how far are
men agreed with the so called red pill ideas about
masculinity espoused by men as fear influencers such as Andrew
Tait Tate Tate Tate. Roughly half of men endorse some
regressive or red pill ideas. Yes, red pill ideas are
totally regressive? Do you even know what they are? But
in many cases it was women's support for these views

(01:32:19):
that was the more surprising. What so, yeah, there are
women and men are swimming in the same water about
these ideas about manhood, Barker says, young men will tell
us women want a guy who looks a certain way
and is a breadwinner. We are very aware that for
men in heterosexual relationships there are huge expectations that can
be quite traditional among women, even as women are telling

(01:32:42):
us we don't want to depend on a man, and
it's even unfashionable in some circles to stay you have
a boyfriend. These days we hear young men talk about
how complex and difficult that is.

Speaker 2 (01:32:53):
Yes, because women want them to be providers, but they
don't want to be provided for because that feels icky.

Speaker 1 (01:33:00):
Men, Yeah, good luck, good luck with that one. Well,
because it's it's like do I do I get what
makes me happy? Or do I get what will what
will make my girlfriends happy?

Speaker 4 (01:33:17):
You don't understand women want to be provided for, but
they don't well sorry, yeah, women want to be provided for,
but they don't want to feel like it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:28):
Okay, they feel independent while men are providing for Why
can't you get this? Why don't you do why can
you not do this? Just have to provide for women,
but don't make them feel like they're being provided for.
Don't you get it? It's so simple? Why can't men
do this? Experience? What? What is wrong with men? Why
are you failing men? Why can't you handle this?

Speaker 1 (01:33:51):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:33:51):
Why can't you provide for women? And then and then
just not make them feel like they're being provided for?
God damn?

Speaker 1 (01:34:01):
And this is when what happens when feminism does not
It tells men what they should be doing, but it
does not tell women what they should be doing, or
it doesn't.

Speaker 2 (01:34:11):
It basically inculcates in women a horrible feeling of being
provided for. And yet women feel like if they aren't
being provided for, if the man isn't bringing something to
the table, they're being a taken advantage of. It is
an endless cycle of fuck yes, And for some reason,
I think we're the only people who can see it.

(01:34:34):
The people well manisphere adjacent human beings like us. It's like,
how are you? How are men? What role can men occupy?
If men don't provide for women, they are not demonstrating
that the woman is the table, right. But if they
do apply for women, they're making women feel provided for

(01:34:57):
and not independent, which is also bad. So why can't
men do both? Surely it's simple?

Speaker 1 (01:35:09):
Yep, good agree?

Speaker 2 (01:35:15):
Why do men feel like they can't win?

Speaker 4 (01:35:18):
Brian?

Speaker 2 (01:35:19):
Why do men feel like they can't win?

Speaker 1 (01:35:22):
Yeah, I don't know, because they're not trying to feel it.
I guess I don't know. Good question.

Speaker 2 (01:35:29):
And it's funny because feminists have given women this insecurity
about being provided for. They have made them think that
they are being taken advantage of by men when they
provided for. But at the same time is if men
don't provide for them, then they are also being taken
advantage of by men. It's like, and this whole article

(01:35:52):
of course refuses to acknowledge this, that we have built
a trillion dollar industry just induces neurosis in women.

Speaker 1 (01:36:03):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:36:04):
And you can't question it because if you question it,
you're a misogynist. You're like, well, maybe maybe women shouldn't
listen to corporations for their ideas about their lives. Maybe
corporations don't. I you're a misogynist. You just hate women.
You can't question the corporations. They have their best interest

(01:36:28):
in mind. But also I'm a socialist who hates rich people, right, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:36:34):
Yeah, all right, so yeah that was the article. Basically,
it's yeah, no solutions or anything like that. So do
you want to look at in cell emojis?

Speaker 2 (01:36:45):
And then in cell emojis, I'll try to make it
so that shaky cam isn't quite so shaky?

Speaker 1 (01:36:52):
Okay, all right? Sharing that? No this I can't read that?
Cunny do drukpa? I guess? Share this scene at a
school in the UK? So speaking of UK, let me
open this in a new tab. Maybe can zoom in?
Really nice and tight? There we have in cell emojis.
Do you know what it means? This is on like

(01:37:14):
a board in a school, like a in cel emojis. Let's go,
all right, what do we got here? Mocking women, coffees
and coffee? You guys can you guys can play along
in the chat if you have access to emojis on
the live stream Mocking women, coffee, beans or coffee zip loll.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
How did how did the coffee meme become mocking women?

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
I love that. I think it's it's a meme from
is it kermit? No? No, no, that was tea, But that
was a different that was like the none of my
business thing. I saw a video it's like Team Fortress,
two guys and they're like SIPI coffee. But I don't
know if they're the originators of it. So drop your
hottest in sell emojis. Yes, this is these, this is like,

(01:38:13):
this is the important stuff that we got to be
dealing with in school. Guys. Forget the reading, forget the
reading level plummeting and like you know, kids like operating
at a math level that's like four grades lower than
it should be, and we're just letting people get college
degrees that don't know how to read or write. That's
not important. We have to know what the in cell
emojis are so that we know when what to look

(01:38:34):
out for. So all right, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:41):
The beans, they're coffee beans and a coffee Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:38:46):
I think that you can use either one. You can
either use coffee beans or the coffee cup.

Speaker 2 (01:38:50):
So did you guys know that the coffee emoji is
now dread misogyny.

Speaker 1 (01:38:54):
Oh yeah, I'm sure that we did. I did. I
see it all the time. Look at Mangoka dropped a
bunch of coffee cups.

Speaker 2 (01:39:00):
That my life will be I'm sure my life will
be enriched by being triggered by coffee beans enrichment as
a woman. I'm feeling the enrichment just radiate into my soul.

Speaker 1 (01:39:15):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:39:16):
Next, horrible.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Radicalized in cell looks like an explosion and a red
and yellow pill and a red firecracker. I don't know
what that. I've never heard of that one before, but
I don't travel in those circles. But yeah, I mean
what does that mean? Oh, like like he's gonna blow
something up? Yeah? Yeah, I feel like that one doesn't
get used a lot because there isn't that much it's radicalizing.

Speaker 2 (01:39:44):
It's rare, remember that.

Speaker 1 (01:39:46):
Yeah, that's that's a rare pepe. Yeah, it's a rare,
a rare meme. I'm guessing I don't even know, like who, look,
who did the research on this? Who did the research
on this? So all right, if you ever a one hundred,
this is kind of a large umbrella. If you've ever
used the one hundred mean you are actually saying the

(01:40:07):
eighty twenty rule. Did you know that eighty that the
top twenty percent of men get eighty percent of the women?
Just any time you've ever used the one hundred, and
I've used it, I didn't know I was actually signaling,
signaling to the in cell brosh Sorry guys, it was
I was just I was agreeing with something and I
put one hundred percent after you do you put a

(01:40:29):
you know, one hundred?

Speaker 2 (01:40:31):
What did they?

Speaker 1 (01:40:32):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:40:32):
Oh, oh, I see when we use the one hundred,
we're signaling that eighty percent of women want twenty percent
of men.

Speaker 1 (01:40:39):
Yes, well, even one hundred means.

Speaker 2 (01:40:42):
Sort of statistically, that's that's actually pretty accurate. And they
would say that they have a right to want eight
twenty percent of women or twenty percent of.

Speaker 1 (01:40:53):
Men, Like, well, yeah, that number might even be higher now, yeah,
it might even I think it is actually like a
lot of women are are with the same guy.

Speaker 2 (01:41:04):
Yeah, I do matter if you are qualified by saying, oh,
we all want I don't know a highly emotionally or
spiritually uplifted man. Well that's still a tiny minority, and
I highly doubt that you are equally spiritually uplifted. I
don't think you ladies are out there levitating. Okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:41:30):
So one hundred is actually an in cel meme that
this is an in cel emoji. This is gonna be
there's a lot of in cells out there. If you've
ever used it, you're an in cell basically, if you've
ever hit one hundred. All right, Next, an eagle emoji
is far right nationalism. What does that have to do

(01:41:50):
with in cells? What? And also this is in the UK.
You guys don't have eagles there, you don't have freedom.
Why do you have a far right nationalist symbol? I
feel like that's a stretch. Nothing to do with in cells,
nothing to do with Britain or the UK. It's just

(01:42:13):
an eagle. Like just I guess eagles are just triggering.
I'm gonna start using them. I'm gonna put an eagle
emoji in the live chat right now. I didn't know
it was it was in there, so eagle, Yeah, there
it is. There's a bunch of them, all right, send
them through because they'll bounce around in the chat too.

Speaker 2 (01:42:33):
What happens when we signal the in cells?

Speaker 1 (01:42:37):
When when you signal them, they they come, they come
running I think yes, then what happens I don't know.
They probably asked, if you want to play some video games.

Speaker 4 (01:42:48):
Yeah, we'll find out what happens when we get a
critical massive insults.

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
Let's let's do the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:42:54):
Yeah. Yeah. The next one is I don't know what
that is. It's impression homeless Is it a black hole?
Is it a whole depression hopelessness? Mmmm mmmm well, I
mean is I uh, I don't think we should be

(01:43:16):
making light of that. I mean, if that's what it means.

Speaker 2 (01:43:19):
Yeah, I don't think you should either. I'm just I'm curious.
What happens. Do you call, like you're in the UK,
if your son shows you a meme that indicates he's depressed,
you call the police, send him to jail or something.
This man's this boy's an insult. He has depression.

Speaker 1 (01:43:35):
Yeah, get him, get him. He's one of them. Uh yeah,
I mean depression makes you an insult. Yeah, maybe you're
just depressed.

Speaker 2 (01:43:45):
Yeah, and now we see the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:43:51):
All right. The next one is the next one is
alt right meme symbol and it's a frog topkck. He's back, guys,
it's Pepe. He never left us. He never left us,
he just laid low for a while. Alt right means simple.

(01:44:11):
So we have far right nationalism, which is an eagle,
and then we have the pepe or a frog. Good lord, guys,
this is like it's threading over nothing.

Speaker 2 (01:44:24):
Really yep, well, I mean the depression one. You could
be fretting over the mental health problems of your son.
But I'm guessing in the UK, they're just gonna get
him arrested. My son seems to be listless and doesn't
want anything to do with anything at rest him. He's
an insult. I can't do a British accent.

Speaker 1 (01:44:48):
I can't either. I thought about it and I changed
my mind.

Speaker 2 (01:44:52):
Yeah, I don't even Okay, next one, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:44:56):
So next one is a tornado and it says chaos
overwhelm mental illness, of mental distress, actually mental distress. So again,
if I guess if you are worried about your mental
health or you're going through a hard time and you
post a tornado as an emoji, I guess you're an

(01:45:16):
insul now. And also, like again, this stuff with depression
and hopelessness and mental distress, it sounds like something that
is a cry for help, and maybe you should be like,
I don't know, supporting those people as opposed to trying
to figure out a way to single them out by

(01:45:37):
like the way that they post on their phones or
text to their friends or in discord or whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (01:45:43):
Ryan, when adults see these symbols, they should immediately call
the police on their children. And then if the kid
at the school sees these symbols, they should immediately start
bullying them, because that's how we're going to improve boys

(01:46:03):
mental health.

Speaker 1 (01:46:04):
Right, Yes, we should be bullying them harder. Yes, yeah,
makes sense, makes sense, all right. Next emoji is it's three.
I guess it's like a finger pointing and then a
like a sad face or like a face and then
another finger pointing and it says simps begging women. So yeah, simps.

(01:46:30):
I mean again acknowledging these distance of simps not unique
to in cells actually, And it's you know, it's funny,
like I think that if you are trying to like
prevent a guy from simping, you're doing him a favor,
you know, like you're preventing him from putting himself in

(01:46:52):
a vulnerable position over someone who might hurt his feelings
or hurt him in some way. And you're trying to
protect him. And yeah, I mean maybe it comes across
as like, you know, harsh or whatever, but I think
that it's necessary and it does come from a good place.
But it's like these people want simps to exist, so

(01:47:13):
they they basically just protect simps by calling out people
who call them out for simping. Do you know what
I'm saying?

Speaker 2 (01:47:20):
Yeah, no, I got you.

Speaker 1 (01:47:23):
I don't know. So yeah, here's the one that you
may not have known. Simps simps begging women point. I
don't know what that face is described.

Speaker 2 (01:47:32):
It's another way of saying a simp a sex past
isn't aren't men supposed to? No? But seriah hear me out. Okay, okay.
You remember that Budweiser commercial where the guy was going
to hit on the woman in the street and the other.

Speaker 1 (01:47:49):
Guy was the gellet commercial and he's like, not cool,
not cool, jellette.

Speaker 2 (01:47:53):
Yeah, this emoji, they're just saying, don't don't, don't interfere
with her girl bossing heel Yeah, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:48:02):
Another way, like if you think of a in that framework, Yeah,
I mean I think ultimately the simps can be bad
for a couple of reasons. One they they make themselves.
They put themselves in some kind of danger because maybe
they overinvest in someone who doesn't have an interest in

(01:48:23):
investing in them but doesn't have a problem exploiting them.
But also they have They also run the risk of
inflating that girl's ego to the point where she becomes
sufferable because she thinks that she's worth more than she
actually is. He gives them like an artificial sense of
her own sexual market value because there's all these like

(01:48:44):
dudes that are simping for her. And this is the
thing with with girls online, like they'll they'll share, you know, selfies.
Let's say you're a young girl. You're like a teenager
and you're you know, you're hitting puberty. You feel good,
but you feel like you're cute. You post pictures online
and you get like thousands of dudes in your comments. Thousands, right,

(01:49:07):
they're all like, oh my god, you're so beautiful. And
they're from all over the world too. You don't know
where you're getting them from. It could be dudes from
like the Middle East or India or whatever. And then
like you love this, like you eat it up. You think,
oh this means I'm hot or whatever. And then you
post more pictures, you get more reactions, You take a
little bit further, maybe you show some more skin, whatever,

(01:49:28):
wear tighter clothes, you start wearing outfits specifically for the
for posting online. And then after a while, when you
used to get like ten thousand likes, you get like
one thousand likes. And it's still a lot by normal standards,
but that girl feels like something is wrong, like they're

(01:49:48):
losing something. And then so like the high that they
got initially is disappearing and they start getting fewer, like
and it's not even like they're hitting the wall or
anything like that. It's just that, you know, maybe people
have moved on to something else or whatever, or you know,
or she's putting a little bit less effort in or
whatever it is, doesn't matter. And I think that it

(01:50:09):
the simping early on sort of puts them in a
state where they expect, you know, that the amount of
attention they were getting as the normal. So the problem
with this is that there it's harder for them to
build a real relationship with real people because they were
so like like say, experiencing this like overblown parasocial relationship

(01:50:33):
with online strangers. So I think that that's another aspect
of like the way simping hurts girls as well, you know, yeah, so,
and then they'll go on to hurt other men, like
a lot of the women who hate men the most
online are women who stop getting as much attention from
them when they were younger online, so they start to

(01:50:54):
resent men for abandoning them or whatever.

Speaker 2 (01:50:58):
Hmm, okay, let's do the next.

Speaker 1 (01:51:01):
One, all right, next one. Sorry, No, it's okay. Sorry, pills,
We have the pills. So the red pill misogynistic truth.
So the person who made this is obviously like looking
at this from their perspective, so describing the red pill
as misogynistic, and they put truth in quotations, so the

(01:51:22):
blue pill blind to dating truth. I'm sorry. So we're
gonna say something misogynistic truthistic truth?

Speaker 2 (01:51:29):
What do they mean by that that women are actually
also to blame for stuff like it's not always just men,
you know, or things like, oh, women are capable of
sexual violence? Is that another misogynist truth? And in fact,
the studies that we're seeing coming out now suggest that
women are doing their fair share of raping out there, right?

(01:51:52):
Is that a misogynistic truth? So what misogynistic truth is truth.

Speaker 1 (01:52:01):
Yeah, yeah, misogynistic truth is just truth exactly. Blue pill
blind to dating truth, Black pill, unattractive men are doomed.
Pink pill unattractive women. I never heard of that one.
So it's like a pill with a heart next to it,

(01:52:22):
a pink heart. So I've never heard of that one.
Unattractive women.

Speaker 2 (01:52:27):
Mhmm.

Speaker 1 (01:52:29):
Yeah. And then there's a bunch of emojis for drugs. Again,
I don't think this is an in cel thing. I
think this is a drug addict thing. I think I
think people are posting this stuff like they're probably just
stoners or something.

Speaker 2 (01:52:47):
Yeah, that's a little confusing there, Yeah, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:52:53):
I don't know why the drugs are even there qualifying
So yeah, I guess ketamine is like a horse, a
couple of horse ones, and there's like a pill for that.
And there's cocaine, which is like a snowflake.

Speaker 2 (01:53:06):
Coconut crossover with the stoners.

Speaker 1 (01:53:11):
Yeah, some reason stoners are also.

Speaker 2 (01:53:19):
Yeah weird, go ahead, who compiled this?

Speaker 1 (01:53:26):
Yeah? And like this is in a school, like, man,
this is this is crazy in a school. I want
to see what what what? Oh? And there's also in
cel slang apparently. I guess we can look at that
really quick too. Being words that you've coined is strange

(01:53:49):
Becky created those posters. I'm just gonna have to chat
the comments under the Yeah, I don't I don't know,
like drugs. I don't see how that's an insult thing.
And so that's just like for for drug dealers, this
is like drug dealing language. It's not you know what
I mean, Like you can send it to your dealer,
like I want to get high, send him an alien

(01:54:09):
and an eight ball and he'll bring you some cocaine,
I guess, or one of these drug deal things like
a cookie, like a dollar bag.

Speaker 2 (01:54:18):
What before the court is why are there now drug
emojis on our list of in cell? This generalized parent
parental anxiety over the behavior of children that they don't
spend any time with.

Speaker 1 (01:54:37):
Uh yeah, a product of single moms and broken families
where the children or or even families where both parents
are working and they don't have time for their for
their kids and they give them a phone and they
let them go to school, and like I mean, there's
no oversight, there's no authority, so like things like this

(01:55:00):
going to happen. I don't know. I mean it's bad,
but anyway, thanks. One hearts, well do you want me
to do with all the drugs or because I don't
think I can add much to that, so hearts. A
normal heart is love, an orange heart is you're going
to be fine, So it's like coping again. I don't

(01:55:22):
know what these have to do with incells. I don't
think the hearts are relevant to that. A purple one
is horny. This should be a baseball bat bonk. A
pink one, I guess I'm interested, but not in sex.
A blue one something is cute or friendship. A green
one jealousy or envy. A yellow one I'm interested, are you?

(01:55:43):
A white one cold love, emptiness or fake purity? A
black one alternative for red in love, and a gray
one numbness, no love. Uh okay, I don't know what
these like. I don't think most of these are not
cell emojis though, mm hmm. It's weird.

Speaker 2 (01:56:04):
Yeah, that was weird. It just seems like generic parental
anxiety emojis.

Speaker 1 (01:56:10):
It's it's teacher like maybe a teacher and a student
made this together and neither of them really know what
this is. Like a student, you know, there's actually a
few things here. So here's another. So yeah, it's all over.
Now here's here's a whole sheet of inceel slang. Do
you know what it means? Again? I bet a lot

(01:56:32):
of this stuff isn't even uh specific to incels. It's
probably just zoomer talk, you know, or or alpha talk
whatever whatever the current gen is.

Speaker 2 (01:56:43):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Yeah. Halo effect bias, where attractive people are seen as
better or more innocent. That's true. It's unfortunate, but it is.
We tend to be more charitable to better looking people.
Becky average looking women with lower status than a Stacy
states the attractive, high status woman who dates Chad's often

(01:57:06):
resented by in cells Chad attractive dominant man idealize for
looks cat fishing, pretending to be someone else online Alpha
a confident dominant man seene as a leader socially or
with women. A walt All women are like that. Hey,

(01:57:26):
remember when we used to talk about in a walt
like a long time ago. The ship's gone mainstream.

Speaker 2 (01:57:33):
Hmmm, I like that.

Speaker 1 (01:57:36):
Yeah, pink pill believe some women are hopelessly unattractive and unlovable. Wow,
is that like men saying this stuff or.

Speaker 2 (01:57:47):
And also if it's if women are saying that they're
hopelessly unattractive and unlovable, does that make them in cells
potent and you know, like terrorist adjacent.

Speaker 1 (01:57:58):
M Yeah, interesting thought. Indeed, yeah, yeah, halo effect is
a psychological term. Somebody in the chat asked if it was,
but no, it's in cel slang. Now that means that
the psychologists they have to stop using it because they're
just participating in manosphere drivel and they hate women. By
the way. Indeed, bone smash theory hitting the face to

(01:58:23):
reshape bones for looks. I hope you guys.

Speaker 2 (01:58:27):
Aren't doing that plastic surgery.

Speaker 1 (01:58:30):
No, it says hitting the face to reshape bones for looks.
So actually smashing your face to reshape it.

Speaker 2 (01:58:38):
That sounds like a TikTok challenge. It's terrifying, okays.

Speaker 1 (01:58:43):
Oh good wage cock man who works in a society
scene as anti male, so basically men who work.

Speaker 2 (01:58:52):
Yeah, like, you can say a lot of things about
this society, but you can't deny that it's anti mail.

Speaker 1 (01:58:58):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:58:59):
I like, honestly, yeah, people in this society think that
men oppress women. That's anti mal you and he got
no alibi for it, all right, let's.

Speaker 1 (01:59:12):
Uh land whale in cell term for an overweight woman. No,
land whale has been around for a long time. It
was just what we call fat people, not even women specifically,
just fat people. We call them land whales. What are
you talking about. They're trying to reappropriate this and give
this to in cells. They didn't make that up, guys.

(01:59:33):
The wall point age twenty five when a woman's value
starts to decline per in cells. No, No, it's real.
It may not be at age twenty five. But I'm
a little I'm a little uh, I'm chuckling a little
bit at this wall thing because I don't know. I
just think it is kind of funny that it's out there.
So it is undefeated. There's no winning, okay game pua

(01:59:59):
tactic to manipulate women into sex man lets a short
or small framed man, short king, I like short king.
Rage fuel acts events or information that make in cells angry.
I don't see how that's in cell.

Speaker 2 (02:00:17):
Stuff that's in cells.

Speaker 1 (02:00:19):
No, that's anybody. It looks like they're trying to like
control internet slang and then just say it's all in
cell slang.

Speaker 2 (02:00:28):
Yeah, because it was the big scary word.

Speaker 1 (02:00:30):
Now, yeah, yeah, in cell's the big scary boogeyman word.
That and Andrew Tate, which apparently they're the same thing,
even though they're literally opposites. So Omega socially lowest ranking man,
no chance with women? Was it? Beta didn't make the list?
Why didn't Beta make the list? Beta NPC conformist thinker

(02:00:56):
blindly follows mainstream beliefs. Okay, oh yeah, sure, again that's
Internet stuff, though that's not in cell stuff. Theem cells
female inceel often rejected by the in cell community. Also
like a unicorn and Manisphere online community for men with
anti feminist and misogynistic views. Notice they have to put

(02:01:19):
that in there. They have to say anti feminist, and
then they're like, wait a minute, maybe that's not saying enough,
Like obviously, if you're anti feminists, you hate women. But
let's drive it home by also saying misogynistic. Yeah, that's
what we'll do, because that's what the manisphere is. Yeah. Sure, Oh.

Speaker 2 (02:01:36):
Is feminism a scientific observation about reality, in which case
you should be questioning it or is it an absolutist
belief that cannot be questioned? And if you do, you're
an unbeliever and thrown out of society because it can't
be both, guys, it can't be both. No, all right,

(02:02:01):
A clown cell.

Speaker 1 (02:02:03):
Oh god, there's different in cell types. There's clown cells,
joker cell, irony, fake cells, pretends to be in cell. Yeah,
because that's the one I want to fit in with
the in cell cry So I'm going to be a
fake cell. That's what I want, That's what I aspired
to be them cell claimed female in cell, any cell

(02:02:25):
in cel due to acne. So there's like specific sub
incel groups. Old cell in cell due to age, wizard
cell virgin past age thirty, wizard cell pondering the orb

(02:02:47):
bald cell in cel due to baldness, gym cell exercises
to cope. Height cell in cell from height meant to
sell in cell. Mentally ill, true cell zero opposite sex contact,
poor cell in cell due to poor finance. But like

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all of these things, a lot of them, they sound
like legitimate obstacles that women are like less they're going
to consider it a deal breaker. We all height, you know,
mental illness, being poor, you know, being too old, being

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having bad acne. There's plenty of women that would like
say that that's.

Speaker 2 (02:03:34):
You know, a deal breaker.

Speaker 1 (02:03:37):
Yeah, it's a deal breaker for them.

Speaker 2 (02:03:39):
Yeah yeah, Well, certainly we can't accept that women have
any standards at all, no relationships. We can't even listen
to women when they say that they do. Yes, it's
all in cell talk, you see. Guys, you've invented a
world in which the average woman considers the average men

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beneath her. You've invented this, and because you've invented it,
you've live in it. But we don't actually live in
that world. We don't. It's just an invention of men.
You're not actually observing the truth. Guys. You're not actually
observing that women's standards are higher than the average man,
so the average woman considers herself far above the average man.

(02:04:26):
That's not the case. You just decided to pretend that
women had standards like this, and thus you constructed the
world in which they had those standards. But they don't
have those standards. You are just preemptively selecting yourself against
approaching women who don't have the standards that you think
they have that you've ascribed to them. It doesn't make

(02:04:51):
any fucking sense. But why would men choose a world
in which the average woman finds them unattractive? Why would
men have chose this? Just explain that to me. And
because men have chosen this, apparently that's made it so okay,

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But I think it's just another it's another reducing our
desire to blame men for everything down to its most
absurd quantity. Quantity okay, mm hmmm, all right, this has been.

Speaker 1 (02:05:27):
Yeah, this has been nice. I'm sorry that you had
to like walk all the way home, but I mean
got to some of your computer. I guess, are you
on like another laptop right now, or.

Speaker 2 (02:05:39):
Yeah, I'm on another laptop with the shaky cam.

Speaker 1 (02:05:41):
Look see, I see it's not very.

Speaker 2 (02:05:44):
Well, but yeah, I am on a different laptop. I
had to walk home in the snow and the cold,
and I don't know what my computer is doing. It's uh,
it just looks like it might be bricked. I uninstalled
Elgado cam because it was useless and apparently it was

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claiming some extensions and I was like, yeah, just get
rid of it, and then then my computer bricked. I
don't know, I don't I don't know what's going on.
I'm sorry, Brian, It's.

Speaker 1 (02:06:18):
Sorry it happens. The special Chat's going crazy, right now yeah,
really just unhinged, unhinged comments saying that we should like
enter the room together. We're like literally on different parts
of the world.

Speaker 2 (02:06:34):
Yeah, he's in Virginia and I'm in the middle of Canada.

Speaker 1 (02:06:40):
So yeah, that's that's not happening.

Speaker 2 (02:06:42):
Yeah, so yeah, it's not gonna happen. We do occasionally
walk into the same room, like once a year, and
then we do a show from a place in Calgary,
which I'll try. We'll be trying to do it next
year again. So there you go. You got to stick
around for our once yearly appearance in public and then

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uh oh, yeah, he's just being obnoxious.

Speaker 1 (02:07:09):
Are you looking. Yeah, we're not married to each other.
Where we have our respective partners spouses. Yeah, I got
work together. We're not married to each other.

Speaker 2 (02:07:22):
Yeah, Like what what the heck?

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
I think my husband's assumed too much. You see a
man and a woman in the same space and you're like, oh,
they must be together. That's a huge problem. That's not
an US problem.

Speaker 2 (02:07:36):
I think my husband is in the other room taking
a nap.

Speaker 1 (02:07:39):
Possibly Lindsay's in the other room with Jojo. I think
she's eating.

Speaker 2 (02:07:44):
Yeah, there's my dogo having a snooze.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
You see him, Yeah, I see him.

Speaker 2 (02:07:55):
Yeah, just having a snooze and uh yeah, this is
I actually had to go home to continue this freaking
uh what is this interminable podcast? Yeah, it's is yep.

Speaker 1 (02:08:17):
All right, well that's it. That's it for me. I
have done I've done my duty.

Speaker 2 (02:08:22):
Yep. I've done my duty as well. All right. So
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you want to support us or send us a comment
that you can also give us a tip that way,
so it is support. But feed the Badger dot com
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Feed the Badger dot com slash support for that before

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helping us out. I will put keep slash Dash Alison
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You'll figure it out and uh well hand it back
to you, Brian.

Speaker 1 (02:09:02):
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