7 Ways Hollywood Wages War On Men (You’re Not Crazy)

Join us on Red Pill Cinema as we discuss the war on men in our culture and entertainment. Might there be a push back against this in the normie space?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be.
My name is Brian Allison, and this is seven ways
Hollywood wages war on men. You're not crazy. Well, we're
going to be looking at the absolute state of men
in media and uh, some normy reactions to it, actually, which.

Speaker 2 (00:25):
Some ineffectual Norman reactions.

Speaker 1 (00:27):
I would say, what was that?

Speaker 2 (00:29):
I would say there were ineffectual normal reactions. They're just
the usual. This is the problem, so we should do
more of the thing that creates the problem.

Speaker 1 (00:38):
Oh, I'm not talking about the article. Oh okay, who
made a video? I think she's like grasping at the problem.

Speaker 2 (00:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (00:49):
I won't. I won't spoil anything for you, guys, because
we're all set on the video. But yeah, but yeah,
I mean what I'm saying is is that it's getting
to the point where, you know, normies are noticing.

Speaker 2 (01:01):
So yeah, yeah, I wasn't referring to Jester Bill either.
It heads up, guys, just a bit of a spoiler.
We are going to be responding to someone, but you
should probably hold off the rage because she she's groping
towards an eventual conclusion that makes sense. Shall we say

(01:23):
she's not. She's not she's on the right path. So
this isn't We're not presenting another crazy feminist, which you
might notice by the fact that she doesn't have crazy
hair or makeup. But yeah, so the the woman on
screen that we shall have on screen, just stow your
stow the rage, don't don't don't no friendly fire today,

(01:44):
shall we say? Okay, so did you want to introduce
or did we did you already introduce? It? Was that
the introduction?

Speaker 1 (01:54):
Well, well, we have an article talking about you guys
understand that, like, you know, our media, our stories are entertainment,
they are important. They sort of like help shape our
like it's like a language that we all speak, you know.
And they've been attacking men for a long time in

(02:19):
that in that medium, to the point where there was
a channel back when I started watching men's rights content
called missonry in the media, and it was a pretty
good channel. I don't know whatever happened to it, but
the guy would show commercials and TV shows and stuff
and movies. So these days, you know, boys are left

(02:42):
between choosing choosing between identifying with Moron's monsters or nothing
at all. And uh, you know, men have been portrayed
as abusive week or absent fathers or lectures or whatever,
but certainly not aspirational, especially lately. And yeah, so we're

(03:07):
going to be looking at an article here from the
Telegraph that is actually starting to like recognize at least
that people are really sick of this. And it's basically
become like, I don't even want to say a cliche
or a trope, because saying it's a cliche is kind

(03:29):
of like giving it a pass because you're saying, well,
it's just overdone. But I think that it's it's just hostile.
It's like anti male propaganda in everything. You know, it's
it's and I think people are sick of it and
they just want you know, regular stories, yeah that that

(03:51):
celebrate men when it's you know, when it's appropriate, and
we're just not getting that so with and you know,
I don't know, this is just something that I learned
happened today, and I think this is part of the
problem too. Do you know that Netflix recently bought Warner
Brothers Studios, So yeah, Netflix owns Warner Brothers now, and

(04:18):
I think they're gonna keep buying studios. So like, you know,
there's only a small number of large studios. I think
it's gonna come down to two. Excuse me, It's gonna
be like Disney and it's gonna be Netflix. Mm hmmm,
let me turn on the advanced scene switcher. And so

(04:41):
what that means is creativity is going away because Netflix. Yeah. So,
like the reason why Netflix is is crap, Like there's
like these memes about the Netflix adaptations of stuff is
because unlike film, Netflix does don't have to sell you

(05:02):
on the movie, Like they don't have to get you hyped.
Because the only thing that you need to validate them
is to have a subscription. And so if you have
a subscription, even if it's for let's say you have
a subscription to watch something else, like some old movies
that you want to watch that are on Netflix. Maybe
you're really really into you know, I don't know all
the Star Trek films or something. I mean Paramount owns that,

(05:24):
but you know, whatever it is, you might like, like
maybe there's just a bunch of old movies, or you
don't you want to watch reruns of Friends or something,
and so you get a subscription for that. But Netflix,
because you're giving them money, they use the money to
make their own projects, and all their projects are like
these you know, activist projects where you know, where you

(05:46):
get all this feminist stuff. Do you remember when we
watched uh, the Mask You Live in mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (05:53):
That that was six That was like ten years ago. Yeah, yeah,
though actually it's like nine years ago. We all got
got into the Badger Cave on the couch and we
watched it and it was abs. It's one of the
ones that got yeated off of YouTube. Yeah, I remember.

(06:14):
I think that was the Michael Flood. He periodically floods into.

Speaker 1 (06:17):
My Michael Flood and Michael Kimmel were both in there.

Speaker 3 (06:20):
Yeah yeah, oh good lord.

Speaker 2 (06:21):
Yes, the dynamic duo of Dipshittery.

Speaker 1 (06:25):
But that's exactly the kind of thing that it's that
gets on Netflix. That and and the other movie made
by the same director called Misrepresentation, Yeah yeah, yeah. And
there was another documentary that was on Netflix called Are
All Men Pedophiles? Like, I'm serious, that's a real documentary
they had on Netflix. So you get this, like the Netflix,

(06:47):
the people that work there, they have a worldview and
it comes out in all of the work. Now, originally
all they were was sort of what's the word, I'm
looking for They were just like middlemen, right, they just oh,
you want to watch you know big, then we'll put
it on here. But now they make their own content.

Speaker 2 (07:07):
So yeah, anyway, yeah you have to you have to
wade through that. They've been sorted a middle as middleman,
they've been sorted the middle of ideologically corrupted content, shall
we say? Yeah, I gotcha. So it's just gonna get worse, guys.

Speaker 1 (07:23):
Yeah, and uh yeah, streaming is like theaters are probably
gonna die, like I mean, they they weren't doing well.
But if the streaming service owns one of the largest
studios in Hollywood, like Warner Brothers owns, you know, all
the Looney Tunes, all of d C comics, all of
Harry Potter, all of Lord of the Rings, all of

(07:45):
Game of Thrones, like they own all of that. Warner
brother they own the Matrix, like they own all of
the major all those major franchises.

Speaker 2 (07:53):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
And so and they're and they're probably just gonna keep
growing and they're not going to put stuff in theaters.
But my point is is that, uh, this ideological rot
is going to grow and so but the but people
are not interested, or at least there seems to push back,
and I think the Telegraph is trying to address this

(08:16):
by recognizing it. And I just want to point out
before we get into this article that I'm pretty sure
I'm going to make a prediction. I haven't read this yet.
I want to make a prediction. Everything they're going to
bring up. We've been talking about it for years, like.

Speaker 2 (08:30):
Yeah, yeah, no, everything that you bring up. But then
they won't have our our particular chutzpah of actually embracing
the the actual solution to the problem, which is to
stop doing the problem. Because you'll notice that every time
we have these articles, they'll say, oh, yes, we men

(08:50):
have this problem, boys have this problem. There's this problem, this, this, this,
and then the end is and they all need to
man up. Don't blame women, ya, and men need to
man up.

Speaker 1 (09:01):
And it's just ing now men are losing power.

Speaker 2 (09:05):
Yeah, so more of the problem. They're just going to
apply more of the problem and uh, and they think
that solves it because that's always solved something or other
in the past. It Yeah, to get to say that
they talked about we made an attempt, was made?

Speaker 1 (09:25):
An attempt was all right. So before we get into
the article, why don't you do the things?

Speaker 2 (09:29):
All right? So I'm going to do something a little different.
For those of you who are long runners, you probably
remember this. If you are able, that is, you have
the means to support Honey Badger Radio, but you're not
currently doing so. Could you just take a moment and
think about why that is? And if you're if you
believe that we're saying things that need to be said,

(09:51):
We're talking about things that need to be talked about,
and we're doing it in a way that most people
seem to be incapable of, which is we can stow
the blame of men and we can actually place some
blame on women. You know, it's possible, we are able
to do this fantastical thing. If you think that's important
and you have the means, just ask yourself why you
don't support and please tell me the answer to that.

(10:14):
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(10:34):
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And I know part of the reason why is because

(10:56):
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let's get into it.

Speaker 1 (11:32):
Okay. So the telegraph men portrayed as either frightening or
pathetic in film and TV calls for a masculinity reset
to provide boys with positive role models in popular culture.
So now, okay, they're already so this they're setting it up.
Why is this happening because men don't aren't They're basically

(11:55):
not making as much money. I mean, that's what I
think is going on. So all right, um, by Charles
heimus Home Affairs editor, Men are being portrayed negatively in
popular culture as either pathetic or frightening. Most people believe, God,

(12:16):
people have it in them to actually say that what
they're this is how other people feel.

Speaker 2 (12:22):
Yeah, all right, right off the bat. That is the
most mealy mouthed statement. Why not just do a Why
just do an investigation on how men are portrayed in
media and give us the real facts, not this like
oh people think. Because the thing is that they can
reframe it as the people are wrong and we need
to correct them, as opposed to taking responsibility for how

(12:46):
much of this bills they have injected into the media landscape. Okay, Yeah.

Speaker 1 (12:56):
A poll of more than two thousand people found that
most believe that films, televison and adverts are failing to
provide boys with proper role models, such as the strong,
silent but kindly hero of previous generations, You want to
say anything to that right off the bat.

Speaker 2 (13:14):
That are failing to provide boys with proper role models. Yes,
this is two thousand people said, you know, this is
not just you know, like a bunch of a bunch
of Hickey reprobates somewhere in Alabama que the banjo twang

(13:36):
a bunch of idiots said this. No, this is an
observation of fact. And we even have executives, media executives
saying that this is what they're doing, right this, this
is an intentional thing that they're pursuing. I have my
own experience. I go on Netflix and it keeps sucking
me into like Netflix. I have a Netflix subscription, so

(13:59):
I can plain about things on Netflix, but they keep
sucking me into things like I go on Netflix and
I see and I also watch anime on Netflix, so
I can I guess.

Speaker 1 (14:12):
Yeah, it's like I was saying before, like there might
be like something genuinely good that you want to watch. Yeah,
that was that. There's the stuff that Netflix makes for Netflix,
and then there's the stuff that Netflix hosts for like
people who are doing you know, like like anime, like
foreign films, things like that.

Speaker 2 (14:32):
So yeah, yeah, so I'm I apologize to everyone, but
I do have a Netflix account, and like I said,
I watch anime and I watch things, and then sometimes
Netflix managed to pop up something that looks like it
could be okay. Right. Recently it was Nero the Assassin

(14:52):
and they had like a like a an image of
him as the main character, you know, you do the
like a Han solo thing, like a dissolute sort of
anti hero. And I was like, okay, that looks like
we could have some ourselves, some adventures with this dude.
And then I click on it. And the first thing
I noticed, and the first thing that sort of made

(15:14):
me go, hmmm, something is something stinks here is that
they had for the actual splash page of the video
or the show, this one eyed female character. And I'm like, okay,
who's what, Okay, what are the odds that this is
gonna be the that was the decoy? Protagon is sucking

(15:34):
people like me into this stupid But I said, okay,
maybe I'm being maybe I'm being paranoid, you know, maybe
I'm slightly paranoid. So I watched four episodes of this,
and every single man in it was a horrible shit
stain of a person except for the black dude who
was a noble knight, and maybe the assassin, who is

(15:57):
like a typical extremely dark anti hero, but he's just
on the edge of villainous and you're like eh, and
then maybe the priest. But the priest turned out to
be tainted because he's willing to kill a kid. So
it's like, I'm like watching all this play out, and
the woman that I saw on the splash screen, the
one eyed woman, ended up being a villain up to

(16:17):
the fourth episode, when suddenly she switches to being the
in the right and.

Speaker 1 (16:22):
I'm like click, like I'm misunderstood.

Speaker 2 (16:26):
Yeah I misunderstood. Yeah, tragic kind of kindna maybe yeah,
may probably victim. And then I'm like yeah, yeaked, no more.
I was like they sucked me into that. And then
they did a splinter cell one where I got to
see like this cool older spy guy doing a spy
stuff and I was like, Okay, well this is gonna

(16:47):
you know, like I can watch this and enjoy a
male protagonist being awesome. That's all I freaking want. Just
let's have some adventures. And then I got the rising
feet because there's like a a acceptably mocha female character
who's just really really awesome spy, you know.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
And I'm like, oh God.

Speaker 2 (17:11):
So I'm like, okay, all right, I'm gonna I'm gonna
I'm not gonna yeat this immediately. I'll watch the final episode,
and I swear to god, the really cool older spy
dude does nothing. He's absolutely useless in the final episode.
So I'm like, no, yeaked, And it's they keep doing this,

(17:31):
bet Netflix keeps And I think they know that audiences
have this problem because I because they're framing these new
releases in terms of, hey, hey, audience, Hey, lover of
action heroes. You know, somebody who really likes Hans Solo
and uh, Indiana Jones and and I don't know, maybe

(17:53):
Rocky or or all of these these kinds of cool
action heroes. Wait, who who did have a little bit
of you know, they weren't completely in vulnerable slabs of
muscle Luke and uh and all of that.

Speaker 1 (18:07):
The mostly ones that they claim were you know, acting
heroes were actually very interesting and complex characters.

Speaker 2 (18:16):
That yes, exactly, Yeah, but they're doing this thing. They're
doing these splash pages and they're like, you know, you're
you're a person who enjoys the swash buckling hero look
at this, and then they bait you into it. And
Nero the Assassin has to be the most clever one
because they they actually kept me on for four frickin'
episodes before they shoved their fucking flapping girl Boss bullshit

(18:42):
into my face, and I was like, but you know,
they're sucking you in. So they have to know that
people are rejecting the ship they're presenting because now they're
putting like a skin of an actually interesting character on
this girl Boss slop like they're they're they're they're throwing
a hologram of an actually you know, like from Blade

(19:03):
Runner for twenty forty nine, and you have a hologram
over the green slop that he was eating or whatever.

Speaker 1 (19:10):
Yeah, but yeah, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:11):
Yeah, yeah, So that's what they're doing. They're throwing a
hologram of an actually cool male character over the girl
Boss slop that they're offering. And so they have to
know that people are rejecting it because now they're trying
to disguise it. They're they're learning, but it's still shit.

(19:32):
It's still like I'm like, I'm I eat it that
like I don't want to watch it, right, And not
only that, but I so don't want to watch this
stuff that I've started to become irritated at classic more
action hero women action heroes like Ripley and Sarah Conner,

(19:52):
Like I'm starting to be like, I don't even know
if I want to watch that.

Speaker 1 (19:57):
Go Back. I mean, it has a yeah, it has
a way of like corrupting everything like he didn retroactively. Yeah,
it's I mean, you can. You just have to appreciate
it for what it was. But I think, I mean,
I don't. I don't think you could. I would argue
that those movies were trying to be a bit feminist,

(20:18):
but they were good enough movies that you just kind
of like were like, eh okay, like it was still
like a good story, right, like Interminator two. Everyone remembers
in Terminator two when Sarah Connor and the Terminator and
John Connor confront Miles Miles Dyson, I think, the guy
who ultimately will in the future create the Terminators and

(20:39):
Skynet and everything, And Sarah Connor gives him this like
you know, writes him the riot act, like, gives him
this speech about men like him built the atomic bomb
and all that, and and a lot of people bring
that up. It's like, oh see, like it was like,
you know, it was really bad, and it was like, yeah,
but she's a crazy person in the movie and like
she was like on meds and stuff. But I get

(21:01):
that there was a little bit of a nod to that.
But I think that if we I guess I'm just
not in favor of letting the perfect be the enemy
of the good. Like I think overall, like that's a
small thing. Terminator two is awesome. That part is a
bit of an eye roll moment, and there's lots of
eye roll moments in cinema and in television and in

(21:22):
literature probably like for as long as those things have existed.
So some of it I think you can just sort
of say, eh, okay, like, you know, that's dumb because
men didn't just make the atomic bomb and war. We
also built like civilization, you know, and modern conveniences and
all of the things that you know, we benefit from.

(21:44):
And this kind of like this whole attitude is kind
of weird, like this anti you know, I don't know
it anti present day stuff because it's very much cherry
picking things, you know, but anyway, I think there might be.

Speaker 2 (22:02):
I think there might be an error being thrown up. Okay,
so yeah, there's an error if somebody tried.

Speaker 1 (22:08):
To act that.

Speaker 2 (22:09):
Yeah, no, not on on the the uh, it's on
word press. So it's an error accessing the actual like
the mini funder.

Speaker 1 (22:18):
So I'm gonna have.

Speaker 2 (22:19):
To fix that, guys. So I'm not sure if i'll
I can see if I'm able to fix this, it's
gonna be very difficult. With my cat making a nuisance
of herself. There was something I wanted to add to
what you had to say in terms of the historical

(22:40):
what's happening historically, Well, there was there's a shift that
happened in depiction of female characters. So you have ripley
of Sarah Connor. You also have like a plethora of
interesting female characters in science fiction. I'm thinking, for example,
Signey Mallory Uh from CJ. Sheryl's Down Below Station, Like

(23:02):
she was a really interesting character. However, what was different
was that they were dealing with external forces, so they
were held being held to external standards, and they didn't
imbue the moral arbit arbitration of the story. So in
other words, they weren't the ones acting, and then also

(23:24):
judging the worth of the acting of of of the
actions taken. So in in stories, you usually have somebody
who's taking action, and then you have a standard that
you judge that action be by. Now, the classic would
be like a shown in sports story, So that's an
anime that that covers like sports teams competing, and the

(23:47):
external standard is, of course winning the cup, right, the
season cup or whatever, you know, winning the finals, the
game of the season. But if you're having more com
women when winning the championship, and if you have a
more complicated morally complicated story where things like actions have
effects on a greater world, then you would have the

(24:10):
people taking those actions, and then you would have something
that reflects the worth of those actions. So you might
have the town that needs to be saved, the world
that needs to be prevented from being swallowed by the
held dimension or whatever. So you have this external stakes,
and the external stakes would usually be embodied by vulnerable
people being victimized by whatever the big bad is, not

(24:34):
the heroes themselves, So there's this separation between the heroes
and what they save, right, And in a lot of
new feminist fiction, there is no separation. So the woman
is both the hero and the person who's the actions
are judged by. So she's the hero and the one

(24:56):
being saved. Right, she is the hero and the one
who judges her own heroic actions as appropriate or valuable.
So women are both the heroic agent and the moral
arbiters just and when they do that, they collapse the narrative,
the tension. The narrative tension to nothing because it's like

(25:17):
watching somebody who's playing a sport but also refereeing the
sport and deciding when they're getting a goal, and the
only purpose of the opposite team is to cheer them on,
So there's no narrative tension. So these former I guess
you could say somewhat feminist characters were still playing by

(25:37):
old narrative rules that you don't embody the person taking
action and the person judging that action in the same person. Ever, Right,
you don't do that because that kills any kind of tension.
So they still have that in those stories, and that
created interesting female characters. For example, one of the ways

(26:00):
that C. J. Cheryl is establishing stakes and down below
station as Mallory, who is part of this intergalactic war
has actually engaged in some very well war crimey behavior
towards a prisoner of war from the other side, and
there is some contest over who gets ultimate custody of

(26:21):
this guy, and she's she's done some very unsavory things
to him. So part of the whole stakes of the
story is whether or not he's going to be able
to escape her, or whether or not he's going to
be permanently damaged by what she did to him. So
you can see that this is this this is not
the same thing that they do today at all. Even

(26:43):
having a female character be have her morality be judged
by its effect on a male character. They don't do that,
and it's they make much poorer stories because of it,
all right.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
It's yeah this thing, Yeah, no, it is. That's why
I'm saying it is definitely different. That's that's the reason. Okay,
So instead those questions say, men are presented as either hapless,
ineffectual people characterized by Daddy Pig from Pepa Pig, Homer

(27:16):
Simpson and family guys Peter Griffin, or monstrous figures such
as Jamie Dornan, serial killer Paul Specter in The Fall,
I don't know what that. I don't know what that is.
Is is this the what is this the Independent? The Telegraph?
Is this is an English thing? Right? Yeah? I think so, okay,
maybe that's maybe the fall is like something the show

(27:37):
because I don't watch anything anymore serial killer show or
serial thriller. Sorry, all right. The study by Center for
Social Justice calls for a masculinity reset. So the study
by a center by the Center for Social Justice calls

(27:57):
for a masculinity reset in which male and female equalities
are treated positively and equally by the mass media. I
don't like that. This doesn't sound at all like it's
encouraging creativity. So they got like some group. Let me

(28:19):
see who the Center for Social Justice is. The Center
for Social Justice, I'm just gonna look it up. Is
an independent award winning would it? I'm curious about Let
me share this screen real quick. An independent award winning

(28:42):
organization that puts social justice at the heart of British politics.
The CSJSON is for those living in the poorest and
most disadvantaged communities across Britain to be given any opportunity
to flourish and reach their full potential. We bring this
vision to life by seeking it influence the policy the
governm creates and the laws it makes such that it

(29:03):
does all it can to address the root causes of poverty.
What what does that have to do with men in media? Okay,
so they have a men in culture publication. Let me
see csj's Lost Boys State of the Nation report launched

(29:24):
a nationwide discussion on why so many boys are filling
at school and dropping out of the workforce. It asked
questions of how we mentor role model young men, both
in our homes and wider communities. It asks why so
many men are dying young and filling our prisons? Okay,

(29:44):
so I don't am I? Am I going too far afield?
Should I go back to the article?

Speaker 2 (29:50):
No, you're fine? Okay, So I gave you all a
link and apparently the well that explains why nobody was
putting anything through. Currently, you can't actually select an option,
So I got to fix that. So I'll fix that
and then we'll do that over again on a future date.

(30:11):
If I can fix that, I might have to actually
call contact dream host and say something is wrong. What
is going wrong? Please please tell me? All right, So
I'm going to set that aside because I gotta focus
on this. But no, let's just get back to the
get back to I don't think that you went off
topic too much. Let's get back to the article though.

Speaker 1 (30:34):
Yeah yeah, oh yeah, I mean I I just wanna okay,
I mean, this is the These are the people that
are calling for change, so they're getting like an organization.
It does, it's it says it's independent, but doesn't sound
independent to me to step in and say we need

(30:56):
to have mail, we need to call for a vascularity
reset in which male and female qualities are treated positively
and equally by the mass media. Now, of course, I
guess it makes sense because Britain's media is government media,
isn't it. I mean it's BBC and stuff like that,

(31:18):
and I believe that's a government organism, you guys. Let
me know. I don't know how British media works, but
that's what I think. But anyway, okay, in uh, let's
continue with the next paragraph. The research is part of
the think tank's Wider Lost Boy Study. Oh that was

(31:39):
what I was just looking at, which published in its
first report in March twenty twenty five. This found women
and girls age sixteen to twenty four in both white
collar and blue collar jobs were earning nearly ten percent
more on average than their male peers. The number of
males aged sixteen to twenty four who are not in education,
employment or training that's neat, I guess, increased by compared

(32:01):
to just seven percent of female since the pandemic.

Speaker 2 (32:04):
Yeah, well, we all said that we wanted this, right,
We're all like girl power, the future is female. Go
girl boss. Let's give them female only scholarship and educational
opportunities and also job opportunities. And suddenly women are earning
more that that is what you wanted to have happen. Okay,

(32:29):
this is this we are now at that we have
arrived at the stated goal. Okay, we've arrived at the
stated goal. And the only way to stop this can
to continue from happening, is we've got to stop it.
You know, like we're we're we're doing something we are
I don't know, I don't know. We're stacking bricks, right,

(32:51):
We're stacking the girl power bricks, and we're stacking those bricks.
And now we have a gigantic wall that boys are
are unable to get through. And then we're sitting there
and we're saying, well, what do we do? How do
we fix this? Well, you stop stacking girl power bricks,

(33:12):
and in fact, you may want to consider pulling some
of the bricks down right, getting rid of them. That's
how you do. But that's not I don't I haven't
read this article all the way through, but I suspect
that's not going to be identified as a potential solution.
Stop doing the thing that we're doing that's causing the

(33:32):
problem is not going to be identified as a solution.
Don't spoil it for me, Brian, I just haven't.

Speaker 1 (33:40):
I don't know. I haven't read it. I don't know,
I haven't ready. All right, so I'm going in blind.
I know it exists, that's all.

Speaker 2 (33:48):
Yeah. I mean, when we conjecture these things, we often
don't know. We're giving you the opportunity to attest our
the predictive abilities. I guess, but I'm predicting that this
never ever, in this entire thing, will they say, Hey,
there's a problem as a result of the things we're doing,
let's stop doing those things. Let's try that. It's too obvious.

(34:12):
It's a trap.

Speaker 1 (34:14):
Okay, Okay, So the number of males, the number of
males who are not in education. Employment of training increased
by forty percent compared to just seven percent of females
since the pandemic. The CSJ argues that a generation of
young men are facing far worse outcomes than young women
in education and beyond, falling further behind by virtually every yardstick,

(34:39):
while changing social attitudes leaving leave them feeling isolated.

Speaker 2 (34:44):
Okay, okay, changing social attitudes? What attitudes have changed?

Speaker 1 (34:52):
Yeah, I wonder what that mean.

Speaker 2 (34:55):
What attitudes have The attitudes around men's worth in relation
to achievement and money making money? Have those changed? The
answer is no, they have not changed. What's changed is
we no longer we are now actively we're actively privileging

(35:17):
girls in those situations while handicapping boys while still holding
them to the same standard of the yesteryear. So, while
they are handicapped, these boys are still expected to take
the lead in terms of protection and provision for girls.
That social attitude hasn't changed. Everything else has changed, but

(35:38):
that one hasn't. Boys are still expected to perform their role.
They just get no assistance from nobody from doing so.
We won't even tell girls, Hey, maybe you should update
what you desire in boys. Maybe you should make it
a little bit less onerous in terms of protection and provision. No, no,

(36:00):
and we're just gonna add something that we didn't have
in the past, he said. This is the thing, like,
there's nothing has changed about women's desires. They still want
to be taken care of, but somehow they want men
not to take care of them while not making them
feel like they're being taken care of. Good luck, And
that that is the vaunted what I keep hearing from
from women is that's the emotional the the emotional evolution

(36:25):
that they want in men that men have failed to achieve,
which is to be able to provide fully for a
woman but make her feel independent at the same time.
Why can't you do that, guys? Like, and we don't.
We don't look at that and say, hey, maybe at
some point we got to stop judging men by by
living up to standards that are insane, and maybe judge

(36:48):
women a little for not living up to standards that
are actually quite reasonable. Like but no, no, no, let's
keep doing the problem. Let's keep doing the things that
create the problem. Surely that will fix the problem. Surely, Okay,
yeah it won't.

Speaker 1 (37:06):
And don't call me. Surely Okay, so I thought I
would look at well, let me read more of this,
but I think that it's interesting that they're calling for
a kind of like think tank slash state intervention for
a social problem. Yeah, that's that. I'm just it just

(37:29):
sounds like a let's say, ah, like a placebo seeking
a sickness, and the sickness is itself needs to be
addressed a different way, but no one in the UK,
apparently at least not the government, wants to address it.
So they're just changing the media around. It's like, okay,

(37:52):
rearranging the rearranging the furniture on the sinking Titanic, I
guess is what we're doing. But anyway, the phenomenon was
highlighted by a Less, the award winning drama that told
the story of Jamie, a thirteen year old boy who's
fall into the online, misogynistic world of the so called
manisphere led to violence and murder of a girl. The
poll found that three fifths of people felt that the

(38:14):
media tendant to portray men at extremes as either wimpy
or excessively masculine. Not o king.

Speaker 2 (38:20):
We should probably we should. Probably I haven't been telling
you this, but we should probably stop in between paragraphs. Okay,
adolescence was a complete fiction again, and I know it
was fictional, but it was complete fiction. At the same time,
there was nothing factual in adolescence. He came from the

(38:42):
demographic least likely to engage in violence at least likely.
And I don't mean white. I mean he had a
father who cared about him. Like that is not where
the problem lies in society. It's not where the problem lies.
The problem lies with another configuration of family, which actually

(39:05):
isn't something that's possible in the natural world, which is
a single mother. Humans were not meant to be single mothers.
That's why we're so useless at it. Like there, which
just doesn't work for us. And in the wild, there's
no way a woman would even be able to get
the nutritional quality, the nutritional amount to actually become fertile

(39:30):
without an extended kin network. People don't know that, Like,
it's actually extremely difficult to keep women in a condition
where they are fertile, and there's probably a reason for it,
and that reason is you don't have children outside of
extended kin networks like we're doing right. We don't have

(39:51):
children without an involved father and usually that doesn't work
really well either. Usually need an involved father and his
family to provide real but unfortunately we don't have those
natural conditions limiting how many fertile females they are, so
we have this completely artificial scenario where kids are not

(40:12):
being raised with sufficient social resources to actually attain a
cognitive adulthood, like a real cognitive adulthood, pro social cognitive adulthood.
So instead they remain morally immature, and then you get
the high volume of murderers, rapists, thieves, general miscreants, and

(40:36):
also radicals who want to destroy society, all from that
lack of socialization, which single mother is. That's the primary
that's the primary harvest. That is the primary product of
single mothers is dysfunctional children. And no, I'm not going
to qualify that. I'm tired of flattering when and making

(41:00):
them feel good about themselves. This is a very toxic
way of raising children. Now, if you had a man
who said who married you and then was like, yes,
let's have children, I will totally be part of those
children's lives, and that man just disappeared like a fart
and hurricane someday, you know, yeah, sure, I feel bad

(41:24):
for you. How many single mothers does that apply to?
How many single mothers had had somebody who didn't just
say one day, you know, like in a drunken fit, hey,
I really like you, but actually was like, yes, let's
go to the courtroom and sign on the dotted line.
Let's make this official. Yes, I want children. I'm gonna

(41:45):
go out there and buy a little baby baby booties
with you. And then suddenly, I don't know, year three,
he just disappears. How many of you can say that
you are the ones who deserve sympathy the rest of you,
And the fact is that we are. We are dealing

(42:06):
with serious problems as a result of giving women this choice.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Okay and uh not, and and celebrating no matter what
they choose. Right, So this is the thing I wanted
to I was gonna bring up what you brought up.
You will. Divorce rates in the UK are trending down,
but they were.

Speaker 2 (42:32):
What I accidentally poked her in the eye. Well, I
mean she I had my thumb out like this, right,
and then she turned into it.

Speaker 1 (42:42):
Yeah, they they so divorce rates are trending down. They
were higher, but they've they've been trending downward. However, the
you know, we know the fertility rate is down as
well for let's say, well for the native British population,
not the newcomers. And also fotherowlessness is a big problem

(43:06):
in the UK as well. There is a the breakdown
in family is a big problem. So, like, the thing is,
you have boys growing up, they don't have a person
in their life to model their their let's say, behaviors on.
They don't have a father that's involved. It also affects

(43:28):
the girls too, they don't have a model to look
at in other men. And this is something that could
be solved if you know, let's say, I don't know,
they they worked on shared custody or some other laws
to sort of reform so that, you know, single moms
are not as prevalent. And granted in the UK, it's

(43:50):
not as bad as it is in I don't think
it's as bad as it is in the US, for example,
but it's still I think an issue that is creating
these troubled kids, especially boys. Yeah, man deserts exactly. And
so like the the thing that is interesting about this
is that the show Adolescence takes the scenario that is

(44:14):
the least likely likely to produce a murderous boy, and
they make it the case like that, like it basically becomes, oh, yeah,
you want your your son to like become a misogynistic
red pillar and kill a girl in school while put
a father in the home, like they've literally the opposite
is true. And and that's interesting because the person who

(44:37):
wrote that story could have picked any kind of family
arrangement he wanted, and he chose that one. Mm hm.
And so like the I think that that the problem
isn't even so much that I don't know, like there's
only a few different archetypes of men, and yes they're
not positive. I mean that is a problem, but maybe

(44:58):
like just you're literally just creating, you know, war propaganda
against men in your content, like that show which was
showed in parliament and Cara Starmer talked about it, called
it a documentary. The Prime Minister called it a documentary,
said we got to act on this like that's that's

(45:19):
propaganda actually doing what it's supposed to do. And then
the government gets behind it like it's real. So like
this is like extremely anti mail and anti family what's
coming out here? And so I don't see if the
if the CSJ is saying that we need some balance.

(45:41):
Are they going to say, like, go out and make
a statement saying the content like this is is absolutely
anti mail, like one hundred percent. This isn't even real.
The truth is the opposite of this, like you know, no,
of course they're not.

Speaker 2 (45:57):
Yeah, no, of course not. But I will you know,
I for whatever reason, the that particular fundraiser is not working.
But please go to feed the Badger dot com slash
just the tip and send us a tip. Come on, guys,
send us a message. We want to hear your your
interesting thoughts.

Speaker 1 (46:14):
I did get there.

Speaker 2 (46:14):
They're very interesting.

Speaker 1 (46:16):
That one Albatross, thank you. Albatross just gave us five
dollars and says these media depictions will never change until
a large portion of people see that much of critical
intersectional theory is anti mail and anti relationship and anti heteronormativity.
They're trying to fix the problem without actually addressing what
that's what's where these attitudes come from. Uh yeah, well

(46:39):
they're not what they're doing now. I think what they're
going to call for is another prediction I'm making based
on how far I've read into this article. They're basically saying, well,
we do a lot of you know, anti male propaganda.
We need more fairness. How about we do like some
neutral mail propaganda. Maybe maybe not all the men are bad.

(47:00):
Maybe some of the poor men, the gay men, the
black men. Maybe those guys will be better guys because
they they've already been doing that, even though a lot
of times those men end up getting shit on for
a different reason. So maybe they're just gonna like pump
the brakes a bit. But I don't think they're going
to actually say, you know, none of this is authentic.
That's the problem with it, Like none of it feels real,

(47:24):
you know, like stories can be untrue, not like fictional
in terms of like their actual like I don't know realism,
but can say something true about like us, about our
lived experience as humans. And these don't do either of
those things. They're just agit prompt.

Speaker 2 (47:45):
So yes, exactly, all right. So I want to give
a big thank you to Ajax because he managed to
get through. I don't know how he did it, but
he managed to get to the actual fundraiser and puts
some think through. Congratulations. Not only did you give us
twenty five dollars, you also managed to navigate my mess,

(48:09):
So thank you double kudos to you, Ajax. You certainly
live up to your name. So yeah, that that and uh,
I guess we'll read a bit more or I could. Yeah,
we'll do read a bit more.

Speaker 1 (48:25):
A similar fifty seven percent said that the male role
models in popular culture were less masculine than those in
past generations. Two thirds said that boys lacked proper role
models across popular culture. So yes, I mean I think that, like,
first of all, in a way, we don't have the

(48:46):
same stars that we used to have, like we have
like today we have like what Ryan Gosling, Chris Pratt
and all the in these MCU guys, Chris Helmsworth, Chris Evans,
the Chris is right. I like Chris Pratt, but but uh,
but the thing is he's more of a comedy guy.

(49:07):
You know, he's always he was always a comedy guy.
He just happened to be like getting good shape for
a movie. And so they were like, you're an action
guy now. But a lot of these guys are not
the greatest actors or they're getting really old. So like
when I was growing up, like the people that people like,
people like Bruce Willis and Kurt Russell and Schwarzenegger, and Stallone.
They were like really charming though, right, and and also

(49:30):
at like every guy who played James Bond, which of
course they've This is another thing. This is this is
the UK, right. They have just thrown James Bond out completely.
I don't even blame Daniel Craig. It wasn't his fault,
you know, and they just they just hated him and
so they got rid of it. It was like the one
guy that they had, you know, and they won't they

(49:51):
won't tell good stories about like some of the rich
cultural properties that the England has, like Robin Hood or
King Arthur and his Knights, you know, Sherlock Holmes. Like
everything's been distorted. They've done like Robinhood of different versions,
but it's not it's not authentic, Like it's just some

(50:13):
weird I don't know, copy or parody and those are
those are those stories? I think boys like they draw
from that stuff, you know. So I don't know, but like, yeah,
I think it's true. I think the attack on James
Bond is a big one though. That was like he

(50:33):
was an icon for the UK. So okay, all right,
I got a super a rumble rant, sorry rumble rant
from Noble twenty one. Yeah, and he says it's the UK.
They would rather throw their own men under the bus
while letting their women get grape by the Third world
and then play dumb when it's too late. Rumble hates

(50:55):
grape without the g Thank you, Noba fan appreciate the
rumble rant. Okay, let me see the poll found that.
Oh wait, no, I'm sorry, Yeah, I already read that part.
A similar set fifty seven percent said that male role
models in popular culture well, and I already read that

(51:15):
part too. Sorry. When asked an open ending question about
which characteristics they would enjoy seeing in male characters on
film and TV, fifty seven percent said, honestly, respect and
family values substantially higher than any other attribute. So okay,
so they pulled people and they wanted family like they

(51:38):
wanted like family values in their shows.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Well, you're not going to get it because that would
require actual fathers. Yeah, father patriarchy. So you didn't think
it was you didn't think that, you like, people didn't
think that when feminists went after fathers or patriarchy, they
actually meant fathers like that that was the end game, guys,
No fathers, all right.

Speaker 1 (52:02):
It is an interesting that they go after like this
kind of like you know, extra machiese mo, like, I
don't know, muscle action dudes that smoke cigars and explode
buildings and walk away cool, And they think that's what
they're attacking. But when they ask people what they want,

(52:22):
they're just like, yeah, i'd like a dad in the story.
And a lot of these action hero guys I just
talked about were dads. Like die Hard a Christmas movie.
By the way, Bruce Willis's character is a father and
he's basically just going through a separation in the movie

(52:43):
and at the end he gets back with his wife.
That's like the heart of the story. So like they
they attack a cardboard stand up straw man of what
they think men like, and it turns out that men
just want to see involved dads. Yeah, and family values, right,

(53:05):
mm hmmm. I don't know. It's a no, it is.

Speaker 2 (53:08):
It is interesting, mm hmm. But that's the problem. In
order to have family values and that kind of masculinity,
you actually have to have a father in your story.
And guess what they're not going to do.

Speaker 4 (53:19):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (53:20):
Also, they want honesty and respect too, and that's another
thing that I don't think a lot of modern media has.
It's kind of like what men like to see, like
you know, a sense of honor, merit, hierarchy to some
degree in the story. And they don't get that like that.
You know what the hot show is right now? I

(53:40):
don't know how popular it is, but there's this show
with Kim Kardashian in it. Have you heard about this?

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Don't?

Speaker 1 (53:50):
Yeah, it's bad, Like I forget. I think it's called
All's Fair and there it's like a bunch of girl
boss lawyer women that they basically the whole show is
women just backbiting each other and like you know, blackmailing
each other and like you're just like screwing each other over.
It's like mean girls, but like high flying, like insane. Yeah,

(54:13):
it's on Hulu, which unsurprisingly is Hulu is owned by Disney.
But it's like the most it's like the most unlikable
evil women and they're just going and they're the main
characters of this and all the men are like scumbags
just like completely worthless and that and that's like men
don't want to watch that. Men. Men want to watch

(54:34):
stories with like you know, like like Showgun that that
was the last big thing I got into.

Speaker 2 (54:41):
Yeah, Showgun was good and that actually interestingly enough, you
could argue that they made the one woman sammar like
from the samurai class. Yeah, but they made her more
of the protagonists. But it worked because again, she was
fighting for something larger than herself. Yeah, and she was

(55:03):
willing to sacrifice for it for her lord, so that
that's not what you're allowed to do in in Western
like in a lot of Western fiction. So she was
an interesting character just because of how far she took
her loyalty to her lord and and yeah, and and

(55:24):
the dynamic between the two. But uh, but it was
a really good movie because of that, because they didn't
make her both the ultra powerful actor and the moral
arborator all.

Speaker 1 (55:40):
She was a very complex character.

Speaker 2 (55:42):
That very believable. Yea, yeah, okay, let's uh, let's yeah,
they were were And they even made the guy who
was dealing with I think PTSD. But he was also
very abusive, like he was explosively abusive. Yes, yes, yeah,
they even made him sympathetic, which was really he was.

Speaker 1 (56:03):
He was the husband's yeah, like it was an arranged thing. Yeah,
that guy, he was an arranged I thought he was
going to be a rival, but he turned out to
be very likable, you know, yeah, fight his flaws you well.

Speaker 2 (56:18):
But there was also a strong implication that his flaws
were as a result of post traumatic stress syndrome.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
Yeah, yeah, he was.

Speaker 2 (56:26):
He was struggling with some stuff, but he was. Yeah,
he was very sympathetic, and I think there are some
scenes with him that people misinterpret entirely. But that is
that is a off topic.

Speaker 1 (56:38):
Okay, digression question. Uh No. I read that David Gandhi,
one of the world's most successful male models, said, I
noticed when my daughter started watching Pepa Pig how the
father treated like a bungling fool who gets it wrong
while the mom gets everything right. I've never seen Pepa Pig,
but I don't. I'm not, and it's sad because it

(56:59):
is like a kids show, right, so this is about
early they put this stuff in. I don't think it
was like I remember in the past. Hell, even Steven Universe.
I think the dad on there wasn't like, wasn't garbage.
But yeah, all right. I like to empower my girls
and teach them about powerful women and what they have achieved.

(57:21):
But men are just as important, and we have to
shout about what's being achieved by them too? Wow, very
safe answer. But first of all, guys, allow me to
do a land acknowledgement. Women are awesome. They're great. I
have a couple of dog I think women are the
bee's knees. But do you mind if we also kind
of treat men a little better? That's okay? But oh women, though, women,
I know, we we gotta we gotta, I know, we

(57:42):
got we got a lot of problems. We gotta address that.
We gotta talk about it constantly. As a matter of fact,
even now, as I'm talking about men, I'm gonna talk
about women a little bit just so that we're all clear.
I don't hate them. Okay, all right, women are awesome.
Let's also talk about but women are awesome. I'm sorry.

(58:03):
I know that he's just being like again, I think
it's just it's not even fear. I think it's just
people are just programmed to have that reaction, like they
just immediately just go into you know, like the programming
just says, acknowledge women first, and then you can get
to the thing you want to talk about. You know.

Speaker 2 (58:23):
Yeah, it's ridiculous. And also women are not awesome. No, no,
I gonna I'm just gonna sit here and just not
qualify that. I'm just gonna stay here, make everybody. I'm
just gonna sit here and stare and just make everyone
feel uncomfortable.

Speaker 3 (58:42):
I just gotta do it.

Speaker 2 (58:43):
I could just feel everyone cringing right now. All right,
let's move on, all right.

Speaker 1 (58:49):
Baroness Nicky Morgan, the former Culture Secretary and new chair
of the Advertising Standards Authority, said quote, if people only
ever hear about misogyny, sexualists and violence by men towards women,
no doubt it's going to affect how boys are seen.

(59:09):
Are you kidding? Have you considered that? Have you guys
considered that that? Then people might start perceiving people a
certain way if you keep telling them this.

Speaker 2 (59:20):
I have a solution for you. Of course, it doesn't
work in the UK because you've got like archaic laws
around rape.

Speaker 1 (59:29):
Yeah you could literally, yeah, there's that.

Speaker 2 (59:31):
Yeah, you could just be transparent and tell everyone about
how high the rate of women and girls engaging in
sexual assault actually is. Right, you could actually accept those numbers, right,
because it's it is. Let me put it this way,

(59:54):
it is impossible for the CDC that is the center
of disease control to find three years in a row
parody and sexual assault victimization with significant amounts of that
victimization done by women to men. It is impossible for

(01:00:14):
that to have happened and there to be an actual,
significant asymmetry in perpetration between men and women. It's impossible.
This reality is one in which men and women perpetrate
sexual assault at roughly the same amounts on the opposite sex.

(01:00:37):
That is reality. That is the reality we live in.
What you guys could do is acknowledge that, stop pushing
ideological science, and then boys won't feel like they're singled
out and we would actually be embracing a truth about
our natures. But you're not gonna do that because making

(01:00:58):
boys scapegoats may makes you money, which is why we're
at where we're at. Oh yeah, all right, Oh, I
wanted to give a thank you to somebody I forgot.
Spiky helmet Badger has put fifty dollars through So thank you,
spiky helmet badger.

Speaker 1 (01:01:17):
Thank you, spiky helmet badger.

Speaker 2 (01:01:20):
You can call them spiky.

Speaker 1 (01:01:21):
Spikey, Thank you spikey. Maybe I can call them helmet.
How people are portrayed in the media undoubtedly shaped society's
view of them. The challenge has been getting online platforms
to accept they are publishers with responsibility for content in
a way that TV, radio, cinema, newspapers and magazines accepted
decades ago. The challenge is getting online platforms to accept

(01:01:45):
they are publishers with responsibility. See, I don't know. There's
something about this whole ministry of media thing. I don't
like it. Even if they're claiming that they want to
give us something that I'm in favor of, I really
just want people to do it organically, and I think
that it's actually got more let's say, staying power if

(01:02:07):
it does come from the bottom up from people who
like genuinely make content. That's you know, that because they
they want to make it because they think it's good,
because they like the authenticity of whatever the story is,
whether it is you know, I don't know, Like I
don't even want to say pro mail, just kind of

(01:02:27):
like aspirational, you know, or something like something inspiring. I
don't think that you can get that from a bureaucracy.
That's that's my only issue with that.

Speaker 2 (01:02:42):
Yeah, yeah, okay, So I want again thank you Spikey
for for getting through that maze. I can actually give
you a link that you can put in the low bar,
so if you, if you guys want to go directly
to it, it is keep Dash Alison Dash. Sane. Oh,

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thank you to Spicy and Ajax. I know, Spicy Spicy Ajax.

(01:03:24):
Thank you you guys. You guys went the the over
and above there, over and above to try to locate
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All right, Yeah, I just sent it to you, so
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It's in the chat.

Speaker 1 (01:03:52):
Oh, I see it. Yep. Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:03:55):
I won't bother putting it in the special chat because
you guys are too special for that.

Speaker 1 (01:03:59):
Okay, everybody in there let me see.

Speaker 2 (01:04:01):
Yeah, yeah, there's only a few people. For some reason,
YouTube has decided that it doesn't want to give us,
make us viral anymore or whatever it was doing well.

Speaker 1 (01:04:12):
Sometimes it happens. You just don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:04:13):
So it's yeah, it's just like lightning. Yeah what, it's
just like it just like it hits like lightning. Like
you're just like, oh, okay, well today your show is
going to be super popular for no apparent reason that
you can ever actually reverse engineer into anything. The algorithm.

(01:04:34):
God has blessed you, bless you, my child. You shall
have some shorts popularity.

Speaker 1 (01:04:39):
Okay, all right, so uh no, it's fine. Neil Brand,
a playwright, composer of film scores and radio for Film Critics, said, quote,
there is a sense that men and boys are growing
up with a society that is disempowering them. I think
cinema has led this charge, even if it's only reflecting
what society is doing a okay, yeah, I think that's

(01:05:02):
Some people say this is like ever since me too
or whatever. I think that it is the cinema or
like our culture is trying to reflect what it thinks
is happening in the real world. But I think it's
actually perpetuating it. And they and they get it from,
you know, what they learned in their when they go

(01:05:23):
to film school, they learn it from their teachers. You know,
they get it from the media that they're that they're
kind of like, uh, trying to like take inspiration from
like if oh, I grew up and I loved Mary
Tyler Moore, and you know Mary Tyler Moore was a
big old feminist in her day. But I'm gonna emulate
her because you know, she's my hero or whatever it is, right,

(01:05:44):
So it's kind of like a self perpetuating machine. And
so it's hard. It's like a chicken or an egg
argument in a way. But yeah, it's been going on
for a while. Okay, feminism and the hashtag me too
movement of the last twenty or thirty years has been
incredibly important and necessary. Here's more of that land acknowledgement.

Speaker 2 (01:06:06):
You know, I just I just like it's like, oh,
the last time that feminists stabbed men, you know, that
was absolutely important and necessary?

Speaker 1 (01:06:15):
Yeah, right, bab men again?

Speaker 2 (01:06:18):
And then you know instantly they go that what's the
next hash to tag men dead? Men dead? Was absolutely necessary.
It was absolutely necessary to tell all men that they
should all be dead in the world would be better off.
But can we stop now? Can feminists stop stabbing men? Now? Uh?

(01:06:39):
Men should have been dead? Yesterday was absolutely necessary, but
men's remaining. Ye, well, he's not saying that. These individuals
who say the last time that feminists stabbed men was
absolutely necessary, are gonna say the same thing even if

(01:07:01):
they say, well, but feminism should stop now, right, this
is this is going, it's now, it's too far. The
next time feminism goes even further, they're what they're what
are they gonna say, guys, They're gonna say, that was
absolutely necessary, but let's not go any further. And then
when feminism goes a step further, they're gonna say that
step was absolutely necessary, but let's not go any further.

(01:07:23):
And then when feminism goes a step further, what are
they gonna say? That step was absolutely necessary, but let's
not go any further. So they're always caping for feminists,
even though people who say that they're criticizing feminists, they're
caping for feminists because they're always signing off on the
last thing that feminists did you know me too? Oh

(01:07:44):
that might have been, that was good, that was port
and that was vital? Really was it? It wasn't not
if it didn't include an acknowledgment of how much sexual
harassment and abuse women were also doing. Right, that's the
that's the conversation we need to have right now. That
wasn't being had, was it. It was just another way

(01:08:06):
of scapegoating men and boys to make money, which these
these people who are part of these feminist NGOs are
openly admitting. They're openly admitting that this narrative makes them money.
They're saying it, and then these people are signing off
on it, like the way the feminist NGOs are like

(01:08:27):
out there saying things like yes, a good year, it's
a good year for our wallets, good year, good crop
of me too, accusations and people like this, they're like, oh, yeah,
that was really important. It was really important that those
feminist NGO board members get their million dollar fricking kickbacks

(01:08:48):
from all their NGOs that they're part of. That was
really important. And then the woman on the ground has
a worse time in business, but it was really important
to do that, really important, and men are suffering, of course,
everyone is suffering, but it was really important to make
sure feminist feminist NGOs CEOs of NGOs got their money

(01:09:11):
at the end of the year. That was really important.
That was yeah, feel edified, Okay.

Speaker 1 (01:09:18):
All right, what it has meant is that the less
able and less socially responsible writers and filmmakers have gone
for the obvious story. If you're talking about women being empowered,
which is that the men have to lose that power
and that the balance can't be struck between the two.
Well yeah, gah, like yeah, I mean like this guy.

Speaker 2 (01:09:42):
But here's the thing. Yes, you're gonna have to take
well power away from men, or at least the you're
gonna have to take positive regard and media away from
men to make women look better by comparison, because you're
always wanting to make women better by comparison. Like, anything

(01:10:02):
you can sacrifice of men, you put on women. Because
that's the point. Everything is judged by supposedly benefiting women,
even if it doesn't according to feminist conjecture of what
benefits women, right, even if it doesn't benefit women, We're
gonna do that because it makes women look better relative

(01:10:23):
to men. So ultimately, you're gonna sacrifice everything, every positive
depiction of men in service of raising women up. That's
what's gonna happen. That's what we chose to do, and
that is what we have done. Oh okay, and then
the last line is just Okay, if.

Speaker 1 (01:10:43):
You have somehow or other, it requires shitty men for
women to be shown achieving what it is they should
be achieving what. Oh I see. So he's saying that
we can like empower women without shitting on men. No,
but that's you can't because.

Speaker 2 (01:11:01):
Everything that you give men is something you could have
given women. Right. Let's imagine like we're in a fantasy
epic and the man gets the green sword of Ultimate Truth. Well,
that's wrong because it could have been given to a woman.
A man has this particular skill set, Well that's wrong
because it could have been given to a woman. A

(01:11:22):
man fulfills a particular role, Well, that's wrong, it could
have been given to a woman. That's how it works.
Everything goes to women. What does that leave men being nothing,
being an idiot, or being the villain? Yep, right, that's
if everything goes to women. And that's the thing. Like,

(01:11:44):
it's if you want to show women being the future,
if you want to show women being the sex that's
unencumbered by human evil, because you know, toxic masculinity is
basically just human evil and only men do it. Right,
If you want to show women as the superior sex,
there has to be an inferior sex. So what the

(01:12:04):
hell is he talking about? Like, you cannot empower women
in this way without making men inferior. But you know,
the next thing that feminists insists have to be taken
for men, that's okay, But the thing after that, that's
where we're gonna We're gonna be drawing the line for

(01:12:26):
real this time, guys. We're not just gonna sign off
on the next thing that feminists do, where we're for
real gonna draw the line this far and no further.

Speaker 1 (01:12:39):
Yeah, well that's the end of that article. So yeah,
no solutions are offered. And even when I went to
the website and I looked at the uh that that
group Center for Social Justice, and all they said was
basically what this um government. They're just like, well, we well,

(01:13:01):
I guess this is a thing we should probably look at.
We're going to look into it. You know. That's what's
where they are right now. We'll look into everybody.

Speaker 2 (01:13:08):
Give them two hundred million or twenty million, and they'll
look into it, and they'll write up a report and
they'll put it on the desk of a of a policymaker,
a politician, and that politician will look at it and
say I looked at that and an attempt, yeah, twist made.

(01:13:32):
Or you could support us and we will do whatever
we can to try to grassroots this sucker. All right,
let's let's do Jester Bell.

Speaker 1 (01:13:45):
Yeah, let's look at Jester Bell. So there's only like
a little.

Speaker 2 (01:13:50):
Positive what she's it's positive because she's enormy and she's
she's getting it. She just doesn't. I don't think she
has like I don't. She's not like us. You know,
we've been in the trenches for how long we've got
our PTSD has PTSD. You know, we've been fighting this

(01:14:15):
for a long time, and we know what it takes
to actually change this situation. I don't think normanis no.
For example, you can't keep giving feminists infinite passes to
do whatever the hell they want, you know, and you
and that starts by questioning everything they said from the

(01:14:37):
very start, which I can tell you is wrong. Feminist
premises were wrong from the very start. All right. I'm
not saying anything about women going into the workplace because
let's be frank, women have always been in the workplace.
I'm not gonna say anything about that. I'm not gonna
say anything about women's influence on the political landscape, because

(01:15:00):
women have always had influence on politics. Even before the vote,
they had significant influence on politics. Right, I'm not gonna
say any of that stuff because it's irrelevant. What's relevant
is feminism proposed a particular arrangement of the sexes, a
relationship between the sexes, which was absolutely degrading and wrong.

(01:15:25):
Men don't oppress women, and they've never oppressed women. Men
actually have instincts to provide and protect for women, and
it's those instincts that feminists are manipulating with their rhetoric,
which has never ever passed any level of scrutiny, any
level of evidentiary or logical scrutiny. Their premises were never

(01:15:50):
proven before. They were just assumed true, and they don't
pass any basic tests of scientific like very veracity of
scientific correctness. They don't predict anything. In fact, they have
negative predictive value. They don't explain anything, right, they don't.

(01:16:10):
The evidence isn't there, it's contradictory, and it's thin. If
it is even there, they have to actually cherry pick.
So it's an entire edifice of corruption. That's what I'm
put to putting. Taking aim, ady, you don't even have
to talk about women having say in a political process

(01:16:32):
or what do you think prohibition was? Women didn't have
the vote and they push prohibition. They created policy, right,
they always had to say in it, and they always worked,
and they were always materially providing for their families. So
all of that is a red herring. Feminism has nothing
to do with that. Feminism has always been and is
solely a way of framing the sexes and their relationship

(01:16:57):
in a way that benefits feminism, not women, not men,
just feminism. And by feminism, I mean all those aforementioned
CEOs of non governmental organizations that all seem to be
on each other's boards, taking about forty fifty thousand a
year from each other's boards, right, like that nest of nepotism.

(01:17:22):
That's what this benefits. Okay, and it's good to see
normanis waking up to it. But like I said, I
don't think they have the chops, Like, they don't know
the level of fight you have to have to actually
turn this tide.

Speaker 1 (01:17:38):
Okay, Well yeah, but I mean again, like you're talking
about people who this is not something that they were
even thinking about. Yeah, they were just like, I'm just
watching my movies and making videos about things I like,
and I'm noticing a pattern, you know, after like failure
after failure after failure, and I see the same thing

(01:18:00):
going on, and I'm like, what's going on here? What
is this? And so they start to talk about that,
and I don't have I mean, I encourage it. I'm like, well,
this is great, like she yeah, no, I encourage it. Again.
She's not gonna say everything you guys think she should say.
But you're being ridiculous if you think that she should
be saying exactly what you believe, because she is a

(01:18:22):
normal person that hasn't been doing this for ten years.
She's just a comic book fan. She's just a video
game nerd that just saw this and is like what.
And of course when she started talking, she's been talking
about these things for a little while. Whenever she does,
she gets lamb bassed in her comments by actual ideologues

(01:18:42):
that are like, no, you can't. You sound like one
of those pill mans for your guys, what are you
turning into a chud? And you guys have to be
like supportive of this, Like when these people do this,
you have to show them. Look you're gonna get a
lot of hate, You're gonna get a lot of pushback
because you're going into tarry that is going to lose
you friends because you are exploring a concept that is

(01:19:05):
very unpopular. And I want to encourage you to continue
to do that, because if you keep going down this road,
you're going to piss people off, you know, people who
have money to lose, people whose entire worldview. Remember in
The Matrix when Morpheus told Neo that if you're not
one of us, you're one of them, you know, And
I know that sounds like a f an enemy distinction

(01:19:27):
and we're not supposed to do that, but he's saying
that there are people who are who are not ready
to be unplugged, and they will react hostile if you
like show them that basically they have at least part
of their worldview is a lie, and they're going to
become aggressive. And you know what, you have to understand that,

(01:19:47):
and you have to be sympathetic to that because you
can't change that. And so, like you, what you do
is you say, look, I hope you figure this out whatever, right,
and just remain I don't know, like with love in
your heart for those people, because that's what you're going
to get. And I think that, you know, oh my god,
I mean yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:20:08):
No, yes, What I meant is that she's she's on the.

Speaker 1 (01:20:12):
Path, but I know you're not attacking her. I'm just
I'm just explain, he's going to talk about this stuff,
and she's gonna say stuff that's going to piss people
off because she's still contending with it.

Speaker 2 (01:20:28):
Yes, exactly, yeah, yeah, no, I mean she's it's just
a hard path. And then you really have to accept
that people are going to get pissed at you and
just hold on put you know, screw your courage to
the sticking plate, which I don't even understand what the
hell that means. But anyway, hold on to your moral courage,

(01:20:48):
and don't forget that you're on the side of right,
because this is all nonsense, all of it. You don't
sacrifice men to benefit women. That's that's not how it works, friends. Okay,
let's do it.

Speaker 1 (01:21:03):
Okay, So first I guess I'll just let her do
the intro.

Speaker 2 (01:21:08):
Hello, everyone es is here, Echo echo star echo.

Speaker 1 (01:21:13):
Yeah, echo Yeah, I think I'm okay.

Speaker 3 (01:21:17):
Yeah, so Baggins, and this year I've done a.

Speaker 2 (01:21:21):
Hand fill echo of let me put my headphones on.

Speaker 1 (01:21:27):
I don't know why this one is like reverberating hm,
but this will be better. Yeah, and you won't hear it.

Speaker 2 (01:21:39):
Okay. I noticed that Tangled has found the the uh chat. Yeah,
I mean you're not gonna you're gonna you're gonna have
You're gonna be a little bit more outnumbered there, Tangled,
So good luck to you.

Speaker 1 (01:21:53):
He's gonna see it as like he's like one of
the three hundred Spartons, So that's all right. He doesn't
feel like she does, is like insult people and doesn't
actually make arguments.

Speaker 4 (01:22:03):
So yeah, I have noticed that, yeah, men in movies
the negative depiction. Back in late September, I did a
big video just really lambasting it more than ever before,
especially with the release of tron Aries and doing another
the male character the lead from the franchise failed off
screen and was never seen again trope, and that got

(01:22:25):
a ton of attention, Thank you so much. And I
also did a parody video a couple of weeks ago
about the whole matter. And you know what it must
sound like from Hollywood continuously blaming men for these failures
of these movies.

Speaker 1 (01:22:39):
Basically, yeah, so I'm just the laying it out. She's
done a couple of videos on this. She made a
parody video where she pretended to be Hollywood saying our
movies failed because of men because they made anti mail
content and then men were like, like they were told.
They told men, don't watch your stuff stuff if you
don't you know, if you don't like it, and men

(01:23:00):
were like, okay, and they didn't. Even though, like even
the failed movies, if you look at the the data
on on like who went, it was still majority men
that went to watch them. Of the few that did so,
it was still men that gave you money, just the
simps that were willing to give you money regardless of them,
you know you shitting in their mouth or in their

(01:23:23):
eyes for a movie.

Speaker 2 (01:23:24):
They thought, okay, let's be fair, Like I bet those guys,
the more liberal guys, they thought they were doing something
for women. And let's be frank, if you say to men,
this is for women, you know, ninety nine point five
percent of men will be like, oh I will do that.

Speaker 1 (01:23:40):
Yes, yes, so it's that's still simping, but yes, that's
what they're doing.

Speaker 2 (01:23:46):
Yeah, that's what they're doing. But it's like I have trouble. Yeah, okay,
guys don't do that. Have some self respect. But I
understand why you do it. Like I'm not going to
be like, oh, that's that's a horrible you are horrible people.
Just respect yourselves. In fact, why don't you just look
in the mirror and say, I'm a person who does

(01:24:08):
actually care about men. I should stop listening to people
who say I don't or sorry, I am a person
who just who cares about women. I should stop listening
to people who say I don't right, who start the
conversation by presuming the worst of me as a man.
Let's just just do that. Just allow your desire to

(01:24:30):
help women inform your understanding of who you are, and
stop listening to people who say, because you're a man,
you hate women. Just just do that. Try that.

Speaker 1 (01:24:41):
Okay, mm hmm, all right. So she mentions the article
we just read in this.

Speaker 4 (01:24:49):
Video, so about just how many times men in movies
these days are portrayed as abusive, weak, or absent as
this brand new stereotype, and how they even do a
chart about how disproportionated is the amount of times that
men have been portrayed this way.

Speaker 1 (01:25:07):
So here's a here's a chart. Do you see it,
Alisonative portrayals of men in cinema versus reality ninety five
percent in films, ninety five percent of men's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:23):
That's quite a change from what I remember.

Speaker 1 (01:25:27):
And then in reality it's like two percent in workplace
workplace complaints and four percent survey self admission, and women's.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
Numbers are similar, honestly, So it's yeah, so we're basically
just portraying men as being defined in these very negative
ways by human evil. And then we're also saying that
human evil isn't human evil, it's actually men men's evil.
So it's it's a double whammy. But yeah, yep, okay

(01:26:01):
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Speaker 4 (01:26:45):
All right, the actual statistics behind how many times men
are guilty of crimes or abuses in real life. And
they also showed like how movies with these kinds of
depictions of men are actually more likely on a scale
to get awards.

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
At Yeah, so there's male villainy. There's a correlation between
male male villainy in stories and winning awards.

Speaker 2 (01:27:12):
So that's not just true in in video and movies.
It's it's in TV and movies. It's also true in writing.

Speaker 1 (01:27:20):
Yeah, literature, right, maybe literature is too charitable writing.

Speaker 2 (01:27:27):
Actually I call it like mood text.

Speaker 1 (01:27:30):
Is mood text? Okay, but yeah, you can see the
more villainy, the more awards. So there's some examples. Well,
I know Barbie, which is yeah, it's up there, But
I don't know about these other things, poor things. I
don't know what that is, anatomy of a fall triangle sadness,

(01:27:52):
but yeah, there you go. Portrayal of males as villains,
the more likely you are.

Speaker 4 (01:27:58):
To win an award seas, So now there's incentive to
do these stereotypes in films because you're more likely to
have a chance to get into award season over it.
But it's like this year, this year especially, it's just
cropped up. When I see the same stereotype that people
said happened in Star Wars and all these lucasfilm projects,

(01:28:18):
when I see that exact same stereotype happen in Tron
and that is significant because you buy me saying oh yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:28:26):
So she's basically saying that, like just to cut it short,
because her videos are a little and they're unscripted. She's
a bit rambly, so she basically says that there was
this trend or this this stereotype. She calls it a
stereotype of you know, a hero from a franchise from
you know that was a male main character from a

(01:28:47):
franchise that's kind of old, going back to the seventies
and the eighties, and they make a newer property or
something that's related to the character in some way in
the same you know, fictional universe or whatever. But that
Matt male character is completely like just either lost or shit,
you know, like Louse, sky Walker's a bum, Han Solo's

(01:29:08):
a bum, Indiana Jones, the bum Decker from Blade Runners
of Bum. They're all they're they all are are absent fathers.
They're all of them. I mean, Luke doesn't have kids,
but like all the other ones are like absent fathers. Yes,
expanded universe that we're never gonna get. Yes, But like

(01:29:30):
in the in whatever, JJ Abrams and Ryan Johnson came
up with, Yeah, that was just thrown out, and and
they just they've just been doing this, you know, and
it's like everywhere. It's like she's seeing it so often.
They even I guess in this new Tron movie that
I didn't watch. I was I wanted to because I
like Tron, uh the first two, but apparently they just

(01:29:52):
that was just trash and did the same thing that
the male main character and all the other characters from
the original Tron film and these aren't even like big film.
He's a kind of like lower budget or at least
like like Culty followings. They threw that all out and
they tried something new with a girl boss main character,
and you know, it was just shit. And she was like,
you know, this is happening too much for it not

(01:30:13):
to be something intentional, and that's kind of where she's
getting at. So okay, so walk, he's not a bum
well at the beginning, but then he wins, So go ahead.
What was that?

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There you go, there you go, tangled.

Speaker 1 (01:31:08):
I guess yeah. And if you.

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Speaker 1 (01:31:32):
All right, somebody's mad, Yeah, all right, next time Code. Well,
it's just like the last thing I wanted to talk
about is where she drops a word that I really
wanted to hear because I thought she was building up
to it.

Speaker 3 (01:31:52):
But frankly, it makes what.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Tangled's latest message. I fucking hate it. Where do you
give these you guys give them money? Or maybe I
love it? How can you know? I don't know. You're
you're sticking it to something. Tangled may like it, though
Tangled man like having it stuck to him.

Speaker 1 (01:32:12):
Well, you know, we're single handedly creating the gender war.
I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:32:15):
Yeah, exactly right here, manufactured.

Speaker 1 (01:32:19):
It's being manufactured, artificial. My two people in their in
their bedrooms or spare room, uh, talking online. We're the one,
not the multi billion dollar industry that is in every
asset of our of our institutions, and our in our
political class, and our media class, and our education and academia.

(01:32:40):
You know, not fellows people. No, No, it's us. It's
me in this room, yes, talking into a webcam. I'm
the one doing this I'm the one creating all the antipathy.
All those girls on TikTok saying they want men with
the four sixes, that's because of me. They saw me
and they were like, well, I'll show him. I'll demand

(01:33:01):
that men hav insane standards they couldn't possibly meet, and
I'll do it online to spite Brian because he's like
creating problems.

Speaker 2 (01:33:13):
This reminds me. This reminds me of that one feminist
shelter operator who act or like CEO in some place
in some state in the US, and she basically talked
about how she opened the shelter and at the end

(01:33:33):
she's like, I did this just to spite those men's
rights activists to say there are no shelters for men.

Speaker 1 (01:33:43):
And I'm like, well, you showed me, you showed me.

Speaker 2 (01:33:48):
But also, you guys that shelter exists because of us. Yeah,
I'll take it. You're gonna do it to spite me,
Just do it. Fine. You think that that spites me,
the fact that there now exists some kind of shelter

(01:34:08):
for men somewhere in the US when they're abused, and
you did it to spite people like me.

Speaker 1 (01:34:15):
Well, they think that you're like them, and you actually
don't want to solve problems. You just want to make money.
That's why we're being accused of that. I'll take it
because you know that's obviously I chose the most, like,
the least popular thing to advocate for because I want
to get rich quick. I'm playing this on hard mode.
I think I'm doing this all wrong. I should advocate

(01:34:37):
for I don't know brown people. I could probably make
a killing if I did that, I wouldn't even have
to prove shit. But anyway, let's get to this last
time code.

Speaker 4 (01:34:49):
All of these things unenjoyable to me because I liked
that masculinity in these projects. I want to see strong
male heroes, and I liked these projects as you know,
male stewing franchises, as a world's where the tone would
be more masculine. That is what I enjoyed about it.
You know, sometimes people say, you know, we just need

(01:35:10):
to have more men working on these projects, and I
would say, I'm more than willing to have more men
work on these projects. Again, I just think that it's
the type of person though, because I think if I
was doing like say, I had an idea for a
hope versus Wolverine movie, it'd probably be more masculine, because
that's just what I enjoyed about those original worlds.

Speaker 1 (01:35:32):
All Right, I'm just pausing it there. You know, there
was there are some female directors that can do stuff
that men like. I believe that. Oh I'm getting her name. Huh.

Speaker 2 (01:35:44):
Romancing the Stone was that was?

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
That? Was that directed by the director.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
I'm pretty sure that there's a lot of guys who
like that. It's it's sort of our romance.

Speaker 1 (01:35:53):
But it's also I think Catherine Bigelow she did she
did like she did she does the military movie Zero
Dark thirty. I think that's a that's a woman, the
director of Zero Dark thirty. And yeah, there's definitely some
women that can do that stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:36:12):
She wrote. There was a woman who wrote Romancing the stroone.
I think she also was also a woman who directed it.
I'll find out in a moment.

Speaker 1 (01:36:19):
All right, all right, Romancing the Stone is good. Kirk Douglas, right,
Michael Douglas rather Michael Douglass. Yeah, all right, anyway, you
I would have looked that up right now.

Speaker 2 (01:36:31):
The director was Rubert Demchis, and the screen was written
by Diane Thomas. There you go Malibill waitress, whose script
was discovered and bought by producer Michael Douglas. Romancing the
Stone was her only produced screenplay. She tragically died in
a car accident in nineteen eighty five, shortly after the
film's success. Yeah that isn't awe.

Speaker 1 (01:36:57):
Yeah, it's always sad when that happens.

Speaker 2 (01:36:59):
Yeah, there was a time when women could do really
good writing and directing and writing in novels too. It
was a time when publishing and Hollywood wasn't just a
boys club. It was also upholding the standards of good craft,

(01:37:21):
which was something that again I hate to tell you,
but feminists came out against good craft. I have a story,
a personal story. I've said this before. My mother used
to help edit or twas the editor of a feminist
zigne in the like the seventies, and she insisted that

(01:37:43):
people who were submitting stuff to the zign, would you know,
have to abide by grammar, punctuation and rules of contents,
not meandering stuff like that. Oh my, I see, I
think I have died. My phone has.

Speaker 1 (01:38:04):
I can still hear you, but.

Speaker 2 (01:38:09):
I can I can change to this maybe.

Speaker 1 (01:38:16):
All right?

Speaker 2 (01:38:16):
So anyway, so I was talking about it's like shaky Cam.
It's a little bit worse, but I'll step back so
I'm not touching it. But so, my mom was an
editor of a feminist sign and she insisted on like
good grammar and other aspects of writing craft, and she
got drummed out because that was patriarchal. So if you're

(01:38:39):
wondering where writing craft went, it also went when feminists
started to take control of this because they don't want
to have any standards that they have to be held to,
any external standards. Everything that a woman does, or at
least a feminist woman, want out all women because obviously
the things that I do are wrong, But anything that
a feminist woman does is perfect. She shits diamonds, she

(01:39:05):
cries pearls. Her menstrual blood is rubies like shid. Everything
that comes out of feminist women is absolutely perfect, exactly
the way it is. And if you disagree, you're a
misogynist and you hate women. Even if what's coming out
of a feminist woman is a fist in her girlfriend's face,

(01:39:26):
you hate women. If you're saying that's bad, you just
gotta let it happen. You just gotta let them abuse
their girlfriends. Right, because because otherwise you'd be you'd be
criticizing women feminists, which are synonymous, you'd be criticizing them. See,
this is why it would terrify me to live in

(01:39:47):
any kind of feminist run hell hole, because you wouldn't
be able to criticize the abusers. If it was all women,
you wouldn't be able to criticize the abusers because you'd
be criticizing women. You'd be saying that women things that
patriarchy does, right, and you can't do that. All right,
all right?

Speaker 1 (01:40:07):
So I got a superchow and then I got a comment.
Oh I got a couple superchows. So Richard Bierre gives
us twenty dollars on superchow or fifty I'm sorry, fifty
dollars and says this is per Tangled hierarchy because Tangled
is too cheap to donate. By the way, do you
know the significance of December twenty, twenty twenty seven?

Speaker 2 (01:40:29):
I do not please.

Speaker 1 (01:40:31):
I don't know if that seems like a weird rare
reference out, yeah, really obscure. And then laptop two fifteen
for some reason, it didn't show up in my life thing.
But that's okay, gave us five dollars and says at
tangled hierarchy, they're allowed to ask, we are allowed to give,

(01:40:51):
they are allowed to make their pitch. Thank you, laptop,
appreciate it. So the person that I was thinking of,
the female director. She's done a lot of pretty manly movies.
And then Jesser Bell is basically saying that, yeah, it'd
be great, you know, like I'm fine with men making movies,
but like it's more of a mindset thing that she's saying,

(01:41:12):
you know, And I think that's true too. Actually, I
think that's more true. So there's the director I'm thinking
of as Catherine Bigelow. And Catherine Bigelow has done a
lot of really good movies. She's made The Loveless, which
came out in nineteen eighty one with Willem Dafoe. She
made Near Dark, which is a vampire western horror that
sounds cool to shit. I have to look that one up.

(01:41:33):
Blue Steel with Jamie Lee Curtis. You guys may have
heard of that rookie cop stalk by a killer point Break,
one of my favorites with Kenna Reeves and Patrick Swayzee,
where you know Ken Reeves is an FBI agent and
Anthony Key. It is of the Red Hot Chili Peppers
is in that movie as well. I don't know if
people know that, but he totally is one of the

(01:41:53):
He's in the movie Strange Days, which was written by
James Cameron but directed by Catherine Bigelow with Ralph Fines
and Angela Bassett. That's another good movie. The Weight of
Water K nineteen, The Widow Maker, cold war submarine thriller
with Harrison Ford and Liam Neeson. The hurt Locker, which
is the one it won I think Best Picture and

(01:42:16):
Best Director, but that was an Iraq war drama with
Jeremy Renner from the Marvel movies. And Zero Dark thirty
which I mentioned. So yeah, that's a woman and those
are all pretty like Point Break is a pretty badass movie, man,
So just throwing it out there. Well, okay, let me

(01:42:39):
get back to this m now.

Speaker 4 (01:42:42):
I want people to understand and be clear about this.
This is miss Sandry. What is happening in these movies.
This is deciding. This is following the ideology that every
man is guilty from the day he is born of
all these awful things.

Speaker 3 (01:42:59):
He has a mess ulity to him that is dangerous that.

Speaker 4 (01:43:01):
Needs to be quelled, that needs to be subdued, like
even in film industry, watch at art.

Speaker 1 (01:43:06):
So there she said to miss injury, she says miss andry.
But she said it. I think that's awesome. Don't you
guys think that's a win?

Speaker 2 (01:43:18):
Yes, it is. It is a win. No, I'm you know.
I don't expect her to be a hardened warrior. Although again,
if she really wants to stick to her guns on this,
it's gonna be hard. She's gonna get a lot of shit.
It is not something that is popular.

Speaker 1 (01:43:38):
I mean, she just I think she just wants entertainment
to be good. Yes, yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (01:43:46):
That's the thing. Like, you're not allowed to even want that. Like,
that's what my story is about. What the hell does
good grammar have to do with patriarchy. You're not allowed
to want good things, You're not allowed to expect good
for yourself. We're in the feminist era. Now. Feminism is
going to take away everything that makes you happy, and

(01:44:07):
you need to thank feminism for it.

Speaker 1 (01:44:12):
Mm hmm, Okay, it's the it's the air we breathe
mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (01:44:17):
Exactly, all right, charcle I was talking about They talked
about some reviewers who have spoken about these movies that
are stereotyping men in a negative way and talking about
how this is what every man in real life needs
to learn that he is guilty.

Speaker 1 (01:44:32):
In the message is that every man is guilty, if
not of rape, then of complicity or wilful ignorance. And
it's the women who bear the pain and seek justice,
writes one reviewer in summary of a I don't know
what film, but a film is all of them, provocations, all.

Speaker 2 (01:44:48):
Of them at this point, all all of.

Speaker 1 (01:44:49):
Them, all of them.

Speaker 2 (01:44:51):
Yeah, yeah, And again, as I always like to bring up,
this is a lie. There is no way you can
assert this now. The CDC has blown this out of
the water. There is no way they could have found
parody three years in a row for the last year numbers,
and they're actually to be significant asymmetry and perpetration of rape,

(01:45:14):
sexual assault, even probably harassment. So this is not a
man's issue. This is not a male ill. This is
a human ill. And this is an astounding finding because
it totally changes what we understand of ourselves. And we
can't embrace this new knowledge of what it is to

(01:45:34):
be human because somebody wants to scapegoat boys and men
to make money. And the collateral damage people like Jestre
Belle is feeling because the collateral damage of this scapegoating
is good fiction, good stories, right, But that's just collateral,

(01:45:56):
your collateral damage in this war that we have been
fighting for several decades now, some of us, right you are,
this is collateral damage. And if you want to ever
get to the point where you have good stories again,
you got to stand up at this point, like there's
no two ways about it. You got to stand up

(01:46:17):
for your right to be entertained.

Speaker 1 (01:46:22):
All right, all right, last time, Code, I want to talk.

Speaker 4 (01:46:27):
About the real world implications of it. And I was very,
very affected by this a couple of years ago. But
you know, for a couple of years past, I've seen
more and more of a rise of men out there
who are becoming openly misogynistic, and they're becoming, you know,
more comfortable with saying very negative things and very negative

(01:46:48):
stereotypes and caricatures about women. And once again I was
very affected by that and defensive about that as I
saw it rise.

Speaker 3 (01:46:56):
But here's the truth about that.

Speaker 4 (01:46:58):
There is a reason why men are being pushed in
that direction, and I'm not.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
So okay, she started off with that, but she's she's
before you freak out, listen more.

Speaker 4 (01:47:13):
I'm not saying it's right, but I am understanding what
is the effects of it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:17):
Now.

Speaker 4 (01:47:18):
The more that you push these negative stereotypes and caricatures
about men, the more effect that it is going to take.
And the more that you remove these positive mail icons,
the more effect that it is going to take. Now,
obviously it's going to be more of an influence on
a person of what is happening in real life. What
relationship did they have with their parents, what kind of

(01:47:40):
friends did they have, you know, what is their relationship
and influences in real life. But make no mistake, media
and entertainment definitely have an effect on it.

Speaker 3 (01:47:49):
So what I see happening is.

Speaker 1 (01:47:52):
That I'm just pausing it there because I know that
you know, comment on things.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
So we also got more super chows, I.

Speaker 1 (01:48:00):
Think we do? Why are we getting them in here? Oh? Okay?
Art Force gives us three d and thirteen dollars and
thirty seven cents. I see what you did there and
says long Cow Preservation Fund. There it is, and now
it showed up a little bit late. It was a
little delayed, but I'm not sure.

Speaker 2 (01:48:19):
What Tangled is doing at this point. I'm like, you
keep I thank you, Tangled. I really appreciate it, Like
I don't know why you're doing this for us, but
it's awesome. Big big thank you to Tangled. Tangled hierarchy
one of our big haters today. It appreciate that an

(01:48:42):
hour hilling us in the chat. So just big thank
you to Tangled. Good luck to you out there, sir.
And you're very strange meanderings. I hope you're walk about,
does you good? Okay, let's next next one.

Speaker 1 (01:49:00):
All right, well this is the last one, but let
me play a little bit more of it.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
The more that.

Speaker 4 (01:49:05):
These kinds of poisonous ideas have been pushed out there,
and these negative stereotypes and caricatures about men and this massandry,
like whenever you talk down to someone, whenever you put
down somebody for just how they were born or whatever
group they were a part of. Whenever you do that enough,
eventually that group is going to want to revolt. And

(01:49:26):
I see three outcomes for this this.

Speaker 1 (01:49:33):
Okay, I'm just bothering it there. So she's I think
rightfully noticing that this could be a problem. I think
she's late to the party. But that's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:49:44):
Well, you know whatever party, right, It only happens once
you go into the pain. This is what I'm talking about, guys.
I remember, like six years ago, I talked about the
pain that every one of us has had, some kind
of pain that's gotten us to this side of the
chasm of men's issues. Now it's not it's different for everyone.
For me, it's the pain of the absolute state of

(01:50:07):
lying that feminists engage in. I absolutely hate deception, you know.
That just bugs the hell out of me. I can't
live with it. That's the pain that got me, you know.
And other people have different pains. It may be intellectual,
it may be emotional and maybe having lost your kids,
but that's what gets you on this side of the chasm. Now,

(01:50:29):
people like Jester Bell are feeling the pain because feminism
comes for all. It comes for all life and love
and goodness and craft in the world. It comes for
all of it. It wants to turn everything into escapegoating
men to make money for feminism. And you look, that

(01:50:50):
sounds like hyperbole, but look at what it's done. It's
turned academia into escapegoating men to make money for feminism.
It's turned movies and too escape goating men to make
money for feminism. Me too, scapegoating men to make money
for feminism, cartoons scapegoating men to make money for feminism,
On and on and on. It consumes everything into itself,

(01:51:13):
like a black hole, and it and it leaves nothing
for anybody else. Okay, mm hmm, all.

Speaker 3 (01:51:21):
Right, eventually wrote aganda against men?

Speaker 2 (01:51:24):
What actually tangled hierarchy? I think he just left himself.

Speaker 1 (01:51:28):
No, he's been No, he got timed out by Seaman King.
Oh did he Yeah, he timed him out, So I
guess he'll be back.

Speaker 2 (01:51:36):
Yeah, well, depending on how long the timeout is. Oh
looks like nobody's gonna miss him. Ah Oh well no, no,
actually miss him.

Speaker 1 (01:51:48):
Okay, So she's saying, she's saying that there'll be three reactions, Okay,
that from men. Let's hear. Let's hear those, and that'll
be it.

Speaker 4 (01:51:56):
Maybe you get men who buy into this, Maybe they
become like Mescal who's just bought into this idea that
subdued masculinity is good. Maybe you get some of that.
Maybe you get some men who are tired of being
put down and made the bad guy, and they just
want to check out out of everything.

Speaker 3 (01:52:14):
Or maybe there's the third option where you get.

Speaker 4 (01:52:17):
Men who are so fed up with being made the
bad guys and being told that they are failures and
having you know, and that they will become failures. And
once again, this is even affected by having these male
icons be torn down and having masculine heroes be taken away.
Then that's how the promotion of actual toxicity can become appealing,

(01:52:38):
because once again, when a group gets put down enough,
they want to revolt. The end goal of a lot
of this might not be that men's merely become subdued.

Speaker 1 (01:52:46):
All right, all right, she's repeating herself so basically, and
I think these are these are three conclusions. One they're
gonna like try to go along with it. They'll be
those guys that paid for the marvels because they want
to please women, because they want to reinvent their masculinity,
because they're like Pedro Pascal, and that's it. Those guys

(01:53:06):
exist there, and that's gonna be a part of it.
I think it's gonna be a minority though, because even
those guys are gonna have their limits. Then there's gonna
be the guys that just check out. I think that's
most of them. They're just gonna be like, no, I'm
not doing this, I'm gonna do my own thing. I'm
gonna go over here. Of course, they're not really like
if they go into something else, they're not necessarily safe
from this. So they're gonna have to like take a

(01:53:27):
stand at some point because if you're like, well, I'm
not watching movies, I'm playing video games now, well, guess what, buddy,
they're in your video games. I'm gonna read books. Guess what, buddy,
they're in your books. Like, there's no I want to
listen to music unless you're gonna go by like classic
rock or something, or you're only gonna read old books,
or you're only gonna play retro games or something. You know,

(01:53:49):
watch old movies. You're not getting away from this and
that even then, you know, they can always go back
in and be like, you know, like what film. I
believe that Netflix and Disney Plus have already taken movies
and they've altered them like old movies, and they've altered
them for modern audiences. Right. They change the language around,
they cut scenes out. I watched Legend the other day

(01:54:11):
with Lindsay, you know, legend with Darkness and Tom Cruise,
and it was like it was edited so badly. I
didn't know what the hell was going on. I had
to explain, Oh, there was a scene that was supposed
to be here, but it's not here for some reason.
So you know, yeah, that that checking out is gonna
be the second group and the third group are are
guys that are just gonna be you know, they're just

(01:54:32):
gonna be assholes. So this is what you think I am. Okay,
that's what I'm gonna be, and that's where you're gonna
get your you know, Genghis Khan types, and I'm frankly
okay with it.

Speaker 2 (01:54:42):
So I'm gonna just drop out and come back really
quickly because I'm gonna see if I can get my
camera working properly because this shaky cam is a little
bit annoying.

Speaker 1 (01:54:52):
Okay. So anyway, that was basically the last time code.
So I don't know if else is going to come
back or or not, but let's see look at what
you guys are saying as that was the last time code, Allison.

Speaker 2 (01:55:15):
So okay, okay, all right, So the title promised seven
ways that what what what what is our freaking title?
Tell me?

Speaker 1 (01:55:29):
The title was seven Ways Hollywood Wages Wore on men.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
Okay, so I have a list a listical. That's a
horrible word. Who invented listical?

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
That's like, I don't know, BuzzFeed, I assume.

Speaker 2 (01:55:51):
Yeah, okay, why is this not working? I had? I
had a whole freaking list.

Speaker 1 (01:55:58):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:55:58):
Here we go, hopefully it comes up. Yep, I see text? Good?
All right? Okay from here one? Actually should I go
from seven to one? By the way, guys, if you
were in the chat, I have a poll. Will you
miss Tangled Hierarchy? Actually I think it's done? No? Is

(01:56:19):
it done?

Speaker 1 (01:56:21):
It stays up to you end it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:23):
Oh okay, I don't know how to end it, but
oh oh just just click it out. Yeah, no, I
got it so far. It's no. It's seth sixty one.
Mm hmm. You you are. You've got a loyal but
small fan base here Tangled. So there you go. Also,

(01:56:44):
I thank you. Not sure what you're proving by chilling
us so desperately, but thank you and thank you to
everybody who participated with that. And here we go. I'm
going to do the listicle once I get it back up,
All right, Should I go out? Oh? You have it?
You want? Do you want to do it? Sure, my

(01:57:04):
squeaky squirrel voice, you can do it? Should we go
seven ways?

Speaker 1 (01:57:07):
Yeah? So? Uh? Seven ways? Hollywood wages war on men
number seven, creating the toxic men they fear. So when
men are constantly told their failures, mocked on screen, and
stripped the heroic models, they don't all become gentle saints.

(01:57:31):
They either check out, submit, or get angry and lean
into the very toxic behavior the culture claims to fear.
The same media that preaches against toxic masculinity is in
practice pushing boys into bitterness and resentment by removing positive
masculine icons and replacing them with caricatures and accusations. Of course,
once they do, if they do embrace that, then feminists

(01:57:53):
get to say, look, see, we told you so. It's
kind of like creating the problem so that they can
point at the problem them.

Speaker 2 (01:58:02):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Number so that's number seven. I don't know if you
want to say anything about that, or I'm going to
just go out to number six.

Speaker 2 (01:58:09):
Let me see. Uh. I think that that's a very
unlikely occurrence.

Speaker 1 (01:58:14):
But yes, but that's why it's at the bottom of
the list.

Speaker 2 (01:58:16):
Oh yeah, it's a number seven. Yeah, it comes in
at the very bottom because it's really unlikely. The the
greatest likelihood is that men will opt out of they'll
they'll take the Canadian health care route, shall we say,
And very few men will actually become violent, and significant

(01:58:40):
but not very sizeable number of men might get a
bit irate on social media. They might actually gasp, blame women, gasp.
Oh my god, Saints Preservice. It's the it's the it's
a sign of the end times.

Speaker 1 (01:58:57):
Yeah, number six. Masculinity equals guilty by default. A lot
of current storytelling treats maleness itself as something dangerous that
must be subdued. The message is that every man carries
built in guilt that needs to be re educated out
of him. Reviewers even praise films as stereotype men harshly,
as lessons all men must learn, turning masculinity from a

(01:59:21):
potential strength into an automatic indictment. Yep, yep, you're born male,
Therefore you are a problem to be fixed. Men, What
is it? Men are the problem? Men don't have problems.
Men are the problem.

Speaker 2 (01:59:34):
Which is really interesting because I remember a while back
I was trying to watch this like western noir show
which was about like some kind of satanic ritual abuse cult,
and it was really bothering me that all of the
men in the story were either evil or anti heroes.

(01:59:56):
And I actually brought it up in the discord, and
the guys I brought we're like, no, it's okay, I'm
fine with that. And the reason why was because it
was the men punishing the men who were evil, and
the women were mostly like victims and they were seen
as being less capable, I guess or something. So even

(02:00:16):
though the men were anti heroes, they were the only
ones who could really go toe to toe with the
male villains. And it's like, men seem to be okay,
but they're okay with these very harsh depictions of men
as long as it's also depicted that men are the
ones who police the evil men, if that makes sense.

(02:00:40):
So I was like, that's interesting. So it's it's it's
an interesting thing that says something about men because they
are interested in stories, even if even if they're villains
in these stories. Men are depicted as villains in these stories,
they're interested in watching the process of those villains being
held accountable. By other men who are and that that

(02:01:01):
appeals to them, whereas I don't think that appeals to
women at all. It doesn't appeal to women in the
story of a woman holding a bad woman accountable. The
only story that comes to mind is actually a a
Glenn Close like that's a that's an actress, right, and no,

(02:01:23):
not fatal attraction. It was actually a recent story where
she was a British general of some kind and she
was dealing with doing a hit on a female terrorist,
like a former British national who'd become a female terrorist
in the Middle East, and she had to make accommodations

(02:01:44):
for potential civilian casualties. But she was weighing all of
the moral costs of basically killing another woman who was
a villain, and she eventually did did actually kill her,
but at the cost of killing a completely innocent girl.

(02:02:06):
And that was an interesting story. But you don't see
a lot of stories like that because it's not stories
that appeal to women for whatever reason. For whatever reason,
women don't like the thought of holding other women to
account in these kind of moral passion plays. That altruistic
punishment is not something that interests them. It's something that

(02:02:27):
interests me, Like, I really like that movie. I'll never
forget it. But it's not something that interests a lot
of women apparently. Anyway, that's my little segue. Let's uh,
let's go on to seven.

Speaker 1 (02:02:38):
Number five. No heroes for boys. Past generations of boys
that clear male lead adventure series built around virtue and courage,
animated heroes, action leads, and science fiction protagonists they could
latch onto. Today, the big corporate brands have systematically torn
down those figures without replacing them, leaving a vacuum where
an entire generation of boys has no man extreme masculine

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hero aimed at them at all. And by the way,
it's not just about just to add to this really quick.
It's not just about seeing a character and then just like,
you know, wanting to just be like them or feeling seen.
You know, that's not really the thing. I think that
the reason why these matter to boys is that it's
actually because they share them with their friends, with their

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peer group. All the boys like the same things, and
they all talk about it, and they all you know,
examine it, and they speculate and they compare and they
like they get into like the systems you know, involved
in stuff and and you know it's a girl brand
because it doesn't do that. It gets into like, I
don't know, the relationship dynamics instead, And that's just something

(02:03:46):
I noticed, you know, like one of the reasons why I,
I mean, I was too old for Harry Potter, but
I knew a guy who his wife and him read
the books and he was like, I couldn't get into
Harry Potter. And I was like why. He's like, because
I don't understand and the magic system. And you know,
even though Harry Potter was probably written not with girls
in mind specifically, but it was popular with boys and girls.

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But he was more of a systems thinker. He he
liked shows like Star Trek, where you could talk about
the science, even if it was a little far fetched, right.
He actually didn't like Star Wars because it was more fantasy,
and he didn't like the fact that none of this
stuff worked. And so he would sit with his buddies
and they talk about like all of the you know,

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interesting lore and mechanics going on that made the stories
feel real. And that's the thing about the way boys
absorb media that's different from girls. And so when they say,
you know that you're not getting any heroes. It's not
just the characters. It's like the world itself, you know,
is made with boys in mind, so that there's a

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lot that can talk about and analyze. It's how it's
how boys get lost in worlds, is how they get
lost in comics because they look at like how do
the powers work? And like what what would happen in
this scenario? Like what's the science behind that? Right? And
I mean, yeah, obviously there are girls that can do
that too, but I think it's like a boy thing

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just adding to that. So, yeah, I'm sorry it distracted.

Speaker 2 (02:05:23):
Yeah, I'm distracted by Tangled in the in the well.

Speaker 1 (02:05:25):
I'm gonna I'm gonna try and get through this list
because I want to eat. So yeah. Number four Missonry
wins awards. Critics and festivals increasingly reward films that show
men as abusers, cowards, or absent fathers at rates that
don't match real world statistics but do match current ideological fashion.
When motives that humiliate or vilify men are more likely

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to pre praise and win prizes, studios get a clear
message keep stereotyping men negatively if you want prestige and
forget about balance aspirational male heroes.

Speaker 2 (02:05:55):
Okay, ok I gotta get in here. I gotta give it.
Thanks thank you to hyper Chicken for one hundred dollars
to the fundraiser. We're now at four hundred and twenty five,
which we were at zero when this started.

Speaker 1 (02:06:09):
Wow.

Speaker 2 (02:06:10):
Yeah, like I'm not exactly sure what Tangle thinks he's doing, but.

Speaker 1 (02:06:16):
Yeah, all right, not sure. I think he's helping.

Speaker 2 (02:06:19):
Yeah, he's helping people he apparently hates so or maybe
he doesn't hate us, maybe he secretly really likes us.
You know who knows. No, Brian doesn't believe that. Too
many insults from Tangle to believe that.

Speaker 1 (02:06:34):
But no, yeah, he's he's I mean, he's just impotently
screeching in the chat. So yeah, I know, I'm not
really I'm not really distracted by that.

Speaker 2 (02:06:44):
No, I'm actually finding it hilarious. Like I'm not sure
what he's trying to accomplish, but he is accomplishing it.
So anyway, that is. Uh, we have another like five
hundred for this fundraiser, so if you want to help out,
it is feed the Badger dot com, slash Jack Slash
keeps Dash, Alison Dash saye, and you can join our

(02:07:05):
very generous supporters and tell to do what Tangled is
trying to tell you to do in the chat for
some reason. Okay, let's let's do it.

Speaker 1 (02:07:16):
Let's go three men, idiots or monsters. Research shows audiences
overwhelmingly field men are pushed to two extremes, the bumbling,
useless dad or the hyper violent predator instead of the competent,
decent male lead. Boys are fed a steady diet of
male characters or either pathetic punchlines or dangerous threats, with
almost nothing in between that they can actually respect or

(02:07:38):
want to grow into.

Speaker 2 (02:07:41):
Yep. Yeah, and I'm really like, I'm with Jester Bell.
I'm tired. I want to watch I want to watch
some heroes, male heroes or male anti heroes kicking ass.

Speaker 1 (02:07:54):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:07:55):
I don't want to see any more girl bosses, I am.
It upsets me that I am now paranoid about uh
the interesting female characters who did stuff in previous eras
like that. That annoys me, And I would like I
would like Hollywood to go back to cool male characters

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that do stuff that is cool.

Speaker 1 (02:08:19):
Okay, yep, all right, all right. Number two deleting masculinity
modern films don't just change bad masculinity, they flatten masculinity
all together, so they may so every male lead feels
soft and secure, unsure, and strangely weightless. Even stories that
should drip to sosterone, like gladiators, superheroes or space warriors,

(02:08:40):
now treat masculine strength as inherently suspicious, so the men
feel neutered and the worlds around them lose that old
energy boys and men used to connect with. Yeah, I
heard that the Gladiator two movie, which I had like,
I don't even know why it exists. I heard that
it like did that to the masculinity of that original

(02:09:00):
Gladiator was manly as And.

Speaker 2 (02:09:07):
We watched Gladiator one and then we watched Gladiator two
within two days of each other, and yes it is.
She also is upset at Gladiator too, like she would
I think she would go even further to say it
was completely stripped of all masculinity. I don't necessarily think it.

Speaker 1 (02:09:23):
Was Pascal in it. I mean, that's that's all I
needed to know. I mean, when I heard he was
going to be in it, I was like, nah, yeah,
old ass Denzel Washington. No, I'm good.

Speaker 2 (02:09:37):
Yeah, Well I did watch it and I would say
that the real problem is that they don't understand the original,
Like the original story was.

Speaker 1 (02:09:47):
Basically the same, but like it's really stott. How could
he not know his own work. I don't know, he's his.

Speaker 2 (02:09:55):
Brain has been infected by a parasite. But yeah, okay,
So the original story, you know, you have this Roman
general who's at the top of his game, okay, and
he's about to go home to his family. It's like
the tempting fate right there. And he has this interaction
with his emperor and you know, Marcus Rulius, the classic

(02:10:17):
Stoic good emperor, and Marcus is telling him about his
fears for the future of Rome and his vulnerabilities around
his own legacy. And during this interaction, Marcus Rulis also
says he wants he wants Maximus, that is Russell Crowe's character,
to inherit the throne of Rome. And you know, Commodus,

(02:10:42):
his son, finds out about this, goes and killed attempts
to kill Maximus, fails because Maximus is that badass, and
then he goes and kills Maximus's family and that starts
the process. Maximus nearly dies, gets captured by a bunch
of slavers ends up as a gladiator, but when he's
initially in part of the in the gladiator school, he

(02:11:04):
doesn't want to fight because he's deep within his own
misery about having lost his family. And it's a hero's journey.
He has to actually learn to live up to the
vulnerability that Marcus Errulius gave him and that desire of
Marcus Rulius for him to write what went wrong in

(02:11:24):
Rome right, and so he has to live up to
that call to adventure. So it's a proper hero's journey.
And so his motivation sort of changed throughout the story
based on the hero's journey. First, he's like again on
the top of the game. He wants to defeat the Germans,
and then he loses. He wants to save his family.
He loses his family, he becomes apathetic, and he goes

(02:11:45):
through a process of relearning that sense of honor and
justice and service to something higher than himself. And then
he goes back and he kills Communists and is killed
by commonists, and you know, Marcus Erulius is his justice
is done and his honor is re established. That's nowhere
in the original story, nonewhere Nowhere in the sequel is

(02:12:11):
there is that kind of sense of honor and living
up to a standard beyond yourself. The man is because
a girl boss wife. He takes her to war against
the Romans. The inevitable happens, and she dies because she
looks like a nail technician. Let's be honest, she'd like

(02:12:33):
these these these bows at that time drawback weight well,
for in the Roman army, the drawback weight was eighty
pounds and that's light. For other armies it was like
one hundred and twenty. There's no way a woman can carry,
can do that bow, can function with a war bow,
There's no way. And she's she doesn't. She has toothpicks

(02:12:54):
for arms. So she dies. He doesn't even mourn. It's
like two minutes later and he's laughed with the other
glass slave gladiators and it's like, what is this? And
then he just sort of floats through the story and
they sort of try to re redo the original beats

(02:13:14):
of Gladiator, but none of them hit because it doesn't
have the spine of the of that emotional journey that
Maximus went through. Because they don't, like, I don't know,
the director lost his brains between then and now. He
doesn't understand the hero's journey anymore. He doesn't understand mentorship
between men and honor between men and respect between men.

(02:13:37):
He doesn't understand any of that. The guy just floats
and then eventually he's like, Oh, I'm a sort of Rome.
I guess I need to champion this thing. I've been
fighting this entire time. No values, no principles. And this
is something I've noticed with these these male characters. When
they have to have one, they go back, they're like, oh, wow,

(02:13:58):
we gotta we gotta have a male character because people
are pissed off and they want male characters. And what
they do is they create these male characters that there's
nothing in them. They're completely hollow. There's no understanding of
sacrifice and justice and honor. There's no sense of, you know,

(02:14:19):
like earning things like Randon in the Wheel of Time
ran out four in the Reel of Time TV show,
he doesn't earn anything, and he's completely insulated from consequences.
It's like nothing really happens to him or nothing really
affects him. And it's like you when they when they're
forced to make a male MC, they're starting to write

(02:14:40):
them the way they write their female mcs that they're
completely insulated from consequences and they have they don't earn anything,
and they don't have any logical emotional interior arcs based
on honor and sacrifice and justice and higher principles like
the Dream of Rome. It's infuriating, yep. So they're just

(02:15:04):
man in name only.

Speaker 1 (02:15:07):
Yeah, it's a good way to put it, all, right.
Number one, From hero to failure over and over. Legacy
male leads are rewritten as failures so a brand new
character can walk in and take their place, usually a woman,
a replacement that inherits the story without earning it. This

(02:15:28):
isn't one or two franchises from space operas, the science
fiction reboots. The old male hero is killed off or
sidelined or turned to a loser, so the new lead
can look strong by comparison, not through real heroism but
through his humiliation, and they literally just pick up the
mantle and they just carry on with it. They don't

(02:15:48):
earn it, nothing like that. And there's countless examples, and
I think it's killed franchise. Like people are talking about
trying to bring back Bond, but they killed him last.
And they replaced with a woman in the last movie,
So they're gonna have to literally pretend like that never happened.
And do you think you're gonna piss people off that
like like the idea of killing bond off and replacing

(02:16:10):
with a woman. That's just one example. There's countless examples.
So yeah, that's like, that's really big because I think
that is number one, because it's like it was in
the substrate, it was in the it was in the
foundation of our culture. These these these characters, you know,
and I mean there are obviously there were women characters

(02:16:30):
in there too, but the female ones get to remain.
The male ones are the ones that are excavated, uh
dug up and replaced.

Speaker 2 (02:16:38):
Well, the female characters also don't have these principles.

Speaker 1 (02:16:42):
Like they're like, no, they don't because they they're altered
by extension. But they weren't. I don't know if it
was intentional to sort of like flatten the female characters.
But when you do this to the male characters, you
affect the female ones.

Speaker 2 (02:16:56):
Yes, yeah, that's don't benefit women by throwing men under
the bus. You only benefit feminism. Let's be honest, right, Okay,
So this is yeah, she started by complaining about female characters,
and her complaints about female characters are spot on too,
because what's happened is female characters and stories are no

(02:17:17):
longer allowed to endure stakes like to suffer, to earn,
to be judged, to do things wrong. So they're so boring.
It's why all the male characters when they are written,
are actually more interesting when they are present. Even the
male villains are more interesting. The only way they can

(02:17:39):
get rid of the fact that men are more interesting
is to make them completely incompetent, and even then they're
often more interesting in their incompetence because things happen to them.
But yeah, so this is I'm a little bit worried
about tangled, Like how are you writing so fast? It's

(02:18:00):
a little obsessive. But anyway, so it's like, this is
even the female characters are just I honestly, I think
they're worse. And the worst thing that's happened is they've
taken the same problems that they have with the female characters.
Now they're hallowing out the male characters and injecting those
problems into them. And it's like, this is this is

(02:18:21):
just unbearable. Oh, because it is. It is like the
writing itself is so lacking in anything any depth. It's
all just and and again, like it's like they they've
they've constructed these characters. They judge their own actions, which

(02:18:44):
creates a narrative black hole. And then when they when
they put that on it, then then when everybody's like,
we need male characters, they do that to the male
characters and they destroy them too. Okay, Just I think
I think whoever's writing these stories just needs to stop.

(02:19:05):
Just stop.

Speaker 1 (02:19:06):
That would be my suggestion. Just stop doing that, just.

Speaker 2 (02:19:10):
Stop doing it. Just you don't know how to write.
You need to stop. You need to spinge the the
ideology out of your brains. That'd be a good start
learning how to write. And then uh, and then come
back to it with some some uh you need to
practice for a while then maybe come back. You need

(02:19:32):
like a montage.

Speaker 1 (02:19:36):
All right, all right? I got a super Child from
Richard for one hundred. Yeah, Richard Pierre gives one hundred
and says tangle hierarchy. If you put a penny in
a jar every day for a year, you'll have thirty
six dollars to donate to HBr. If you put a
quarter in a jar, every day for a year, then
you could have ten thousand dollars to give to HBr.

Speaker 2 (02:19:59):
What.

Speaker 1 (02:20:00):
Well, thank you for that. I'm not going to think
about it too hard.

Speaker 2 (02:20:04):
No, it's I'm sure Tangled is really going to think
hard about the logic though. All right.

Speaker 1 (02:20:11):
Richard Bierre gives us fifty dollars and says.

Speaker 2 (02:20:14):
S p q R, Yes, s PQR, all.

Speaker 1 (02:20:20):
Right, I'm I'm ready.

Speaker 2 (02:20:23):
Yeah, I'm good too. I'm hungry already. I'm just going
to make sure we've thanked everybody. Uh, okay, no, this
is all right, Okay, this is it's it's gotten a
little confusing because we got up quite a bit of
stuff coming in. Yeah, I think we should. I think

(02:20:46):
we thanked everyone. Yes, I'm pretty sure. So anyway, if
you want to join our very generous supporters, it is
feed the Badger dot Com slash project slash keep Dash
Alison dash s. I will fix the support link. I'm
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(02:21:09):
I'll try to fix it. And if you want to
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Com slash just the tip. Very much appreciate for everybody
who kept this long and tangled. Just go take to
go take a nap, maybe have a have a sippy
cup and some ten d's. You need to calm down,
Go get you blanky. All right, but thank you, I

(02:21:31):
mean very much appreciate it. I'm not exactly sure what
you were proving to yourself. At one point you said
you you have more principles than to do what we do.
But what is it you're doing here. Your principles have
led you to to shill for a show that you
think is unprincipled. So I think you need a nap
to untangle that. All right, back to you, Brian.

Speaker 1 (02:21:54):
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