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Speaker 1 (00:00):
This is HBr News number five eighteen, Another day, another
far right transmass shooter, upholding patriar, where we discussed the
news of the week and give it the Badger treatment.
Hello everybody, and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio because
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(00:20):
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and from a vehicle en route to the airport, Mike,
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show up, which I think is awesome and I appreciate
that quite a bit. Yeah, and Lauren's Lauren is there,
like it disembodied. Lauren is there, so she might she

(00:41):
might say things.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
You might hear me.

Speaker 3 (00:44):
Yet other drivers, That is right, you guys are in
New York.

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So anyway, please consider we have a lot to talk
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on this week's news show. We're gonna be talking about,

(01:08):
well basically what we kind of have to talk about,
which is this Minnesota mass shooting that happened. Everyone's got
their hot takes out and so I thought we would
throw our coals onto the fire as well. Emma Watson
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So with all that said, let us get into today's stories.

Speaker 4 (03:12):
All right.

Speaker 1 (03:12):
Well, we got to start off with this one. There's
a lot to unpack here, so on August twenty seventh,
twenty twenty five. You might have heard, because it's everybody's
been talking about it. A mass shooting occurred at Annunciation
Catholic Church and School in Minneapolis, Minnesota, during a morning mass.
The shooter, twenty three year old Robin Westman formerly Robert Westman,

(03:36):
a former student at the school who identified as transgender,
killed two children aged ten and eight and injured eighteen others,
including fourteen children, before dying by suicide. Westman, who legally
changed their name from Robert in twenty twenty, used legally
purchased firearms and fired over one hundred rounds targeting the

(03:56):
church in a brief but chaotic attack. Police recovered extends evidence,
including weapons, a smoke device, and writings expressing hatred towards
everybody which is Catholics, Jews, and others with no clear
link to their transgender identity. The attack took place at
approximately eight thirty am in a South Minneapolis neighborhood, with

(04:16):
Westman barricading doors and firing through stained glass windows. The writings,
including a manifesto and videos posted on YouTube by I
wasn't able. I know you can get clips on X
and stuff revealed an obsession with past mass shooters, a
desire for notoriety, and personal struggles like depression and regret
over transitioning, though these are difficult to tie directly to

(04:39):
the motive. The FBI is investigating the incident as domestic
terrorism and a hate crime, citing pure indiscriminate hate aimed
at Catholics. Authorities emphasize the motive appears rooted in a
fascination with violence, rather than a specific grievance against the
church or school. Media coverage has been polarized. Mainstream and
left leaning outlets like The New York Times and the

(05:01):
BBC focus on gun control and the tragedy's impact, warning
against gapegoating the transgender community, noting trans individuals are not
disproportionately involved in such acts. Conservative media like Fox News
and The Daily Wire highlighted Westman's trans identity and manifesto regrets,
linking the attack to mental health issues or gender affirming care.

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Politicians reflect this divide, so I don't really have to
get into the details of that. Public responses include vigils,
gun control rallies, and anti trans protests, or commentary on
platforms like x, with trans Minnesotans reporting fear or hate
crime or fear of hate crimes. Rather, the investigation continues,
with police analyzing Westman's devices and residences. Community responses emphasize

(05:47):
support for victims and calls for unity, though debates over guns,
mental health, and identity persists. Official sources like the Minneapolis
Police Department provide the most reliable updates as of September second,
twenty twenty five. So I got something to say about this,
but I'm gonna wait until you guys say what you
want to about this unfortunate tragedy.

Speaker 2 (06:10):
Before I jump in. You have anything like.

Speaker 5 (06:14):
Well, I just like to point out mental illness is
a thing and hate is also a thing, but they
are not necessarily the same thing. I'm not saying this
guy wasn't mentally ill, but I reckon he's been taught
to hate some people because he knows quite.

Speaker 4 (06:31):
A whole bunch of them.

Speaker 5 (06:32):
In fact, it's a random selection of people he seems
to hate, including Catholics and Jews and Trump and but
mainly Catholics. I mean, you can kind of tell because
they're the ones he killed. And by the way, it's
okay to call this one he I mean, it's it's
always okay to call them what they are. But this

(06:52):
guy in particular wanted to be a woman. But he
expressed in his manifesto thing the reason he started depressed
is that he realized he'll never be a woman.

Speaker 4 (07:03):
So it's kind of.

Speaker 5 (07:06):
Half transitioned and then half transitions back and now he's
quartered something. And yeah, this is more evidence that that
kind of shit will mess you up in all manner
of ways. A messes you up even more than it
messes up the average male. It's now highly disproportionately. You know,

(07:26):
they are overrepresented in math shootings, like more than any
other demographic.

Speaker 4 (07:32):
You could do it, you could think about.

Speaker 5 (07:34):
And yeah, to conclude, I think this is more to
do with hate than mental illness.

Speaker 4 (07:41):
But it's not all one and none of the other.

Speaker 5 (07:42):
I think it's three parts eight to one part. I
think the mental illness is caused by the hate. To
be perfectly honest, and probably a ssries it's that there's always.

Speaker 4 (07:53):
A SESSR Eyes involved.

Speaker 5 (07:55):
But yeah, people get in such crazy headspaces because they
go through the school system which teaches them who to hate.
And it's you know, especially men, especially white men, especially
straight white men.

Speaker 4 (08:10):
So on.

Speaker 5 (08:11):
So it's no wonder that this results in mental illness,
and quite a lot of straight white men, if you
can call him straight properly, is that he's been taught
to hate straight men and that, yeah, that results in
muntal illness. Or maybe it's not mental illness at all.

(08:32):
It's just hate piled on top of hate, piled on
top of hate, and it gets so bad that it
looks like mental illness. But it's it could just be
learned hatred, because that's what people learn in school.

Speaker 4 (08:44):
Now, oh yeah, that's all I can think of.

Speaker 3 (08:46):
Really my experiences, there's only a small amount of difference
between learned hatred and some types of mental illness, especially
the obsessive types. But I will say this, it's not
in this discriminate. If the only religion they mentioned hatred
for was Catholic, that's not indiscriminate. That's quite discriminate. Nobody

(09:09):
else gets the hatred but Catholics in terms of religious beliefs.
That doesn't necessarily lead to a conclusion about this individual
in particular, especially considering all the other issues. But it
is something that I've noticed previously. The media on both

(09:32):
sides seems to have an issue saying it's not indiscriminate
hatred if you name a exclusively among other groups of
its type and say just these people. It's just that
you're allowed to say that about any denomination of Christianity,
Whereas if you say that about any other religion, well

(09:54):
then it's religious prejudiced. You're not considered to be prejudice
if you say it about Christians. It's just a point,
just something that people should be thinking about because a
lot of times there's violent rhetoric influencing people, like the shooter.
And if you're going to do something horrible and violent

(10:15):
that you know people are going to disapprove of, and
you want at least some form of lenience, and you're
going to target the people that you're allowed to hate,
You're not going to target the people that you're not
allowed to hate.

Speaker 2 (10:27):
Aside from that, and.

Speaker 3 (10:28):
The other thing that needs to be noticed here is
how how fault is treated in this situation. Yeah, when
I worked in food service, if I made a mistake,
you know, or just was deliberately careless with what the

(10:50):
things I was handling, and as a result, a bunch
of the people that I was serving food to got sick.
Even if they didn't get sick and die. If they
just got sick, nobody would come back.

Speaker 2 (11:01):
And say we need cheeseburger control.

Speaker 3 (11:03):
And nobody would come back and say we got to
ban beef. Beef causes people to get sick. They would
have penalized the restaurant or in my case, the gas station.
They would have you know, they would have penalized me.
And if you know, anybody did die, then there would

(11:24):
have been serious repercussions for me and possibly management as well,
depending on whether I was following policy or not. And
when it was a fast food chain, not one that
I worked.

Speaker 2 (11:35):
For, but.

Speaker 3 (11:38):
Gosh, I think it was the eighties when Jack in
the Box had the incident. They had E Coli in
their beef due to no fault of their own, and
they actually killed five kids. When you're under the age
of five and you eat beef that has E coal
I in it, it's E coal i does terrible things

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to it To a kid under the age of five,
beyond what it does to other people. You cannot handle
being dehydrated when your body is that little, right, and
their restaurant chain almost went completely out of business. They
closed all across the country and they just started coming
back in the last few years in areas like mine,

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which are far away from where the original store is.
And you know a lot of times in restaurants when
that happens, it gets blamed on an individual, or it
gets blamed on individuals at a supplier, or it gets
blamed on individuals in the meat packing industry. But you
never hear it just getting blamed on the food. Nobody

(12:42):
wants to ban lettuce, even though you can get salmonilla
from lettuce. Nobody wants to ban any kind of pet
that carries salmonilla, Like there's different lizards that people own
that can carry it, Frogs carry it. Nobody even wants
to ban living creatures that another person might control. But

(13:03):
when it's something that primarily menus, a tool that primarily menus,
and women don't see a direct benefit to them from
that tool, like guns for video games, for certain types
of music, movies, porn, anything like that. Drinks that are

(13:26):
considered more manly like beer. All of a sudden, there
is a hue and cry. It's the inanimate object. It's
the unintelligent animal, right, this particular type of pet, that
particular breed of animal, and so on. We got to
get rid of it. We got to ban it. We
can't say that people might be responsible for how they

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use it. We have to say that people can't handle
having access to it. If you look at statistics on
violent crime in the United States, opposed to the statistics
that you are handed about who engages in gun violence,
for how many incidents there are in a year, which

(14:11):
may number in the hundreds but are not as high
as people think, you find out that less than one
percent of the population commits violent crimes, all violent crimes,
including mass shootings, including all gun crimes, including all sex crimes,
including any kind of violent assault, any kind of violent

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theft that includes an assault. It's all lumped in there together.
Less than one percent of the population is responsible for
all of those crimes. So to demonize a particular group,
even if even even in you know, well this this
group is overrepresented among that less than one percent of

(14:55):
the population. To demonize a particular sex, to demoni as
any demographic on the basis of an incident like this
irrational and useless. And yet what do you have gun
owners demonized? You have men demonized, You have men's tools

(15:19):
suggested to be banned, you have men's interests being blamed
on this, blamed for this, and you have both sides
of the political fence pointing fingers at each other about ideology,
and nobody is bothering to consider how did this person

(15:41):
get from getting born into the world from the moment
that he took his first breath in the world. Two,
I want to kill people? What happened in his life
that changed him from somebody who just wanted to be

(16:03):
picked up when he didn't feel good and fed when
he was hungry, and changed when he was wet to
wanting to kill people if you want to look at that,
instead of blaming inanimate objects or blaming ideology, or suggesting
that it's because he's male, or suggesting that it's because

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he's trains, or suggesting that it's because of who he
likes or doesn't like, and all of that, everybody with
an agenda will smack you down for talking about it,
because nobody wants to consider the fact the huge portion
of how this individual ended up making the decision to
walk into a place where there were people with a

(16:46):
deadly weapon and start firing.

Speaker 2 (16:48):
One of the.

Speaker 3 (16:49):
Biggest influences is somebody that you're not allowed to criticize mom. Dad.
We're allowed to criticize d right, but not mom. We're
not allowed to suggest that maybe the people who were
responsible for raising this individual should have noticed something was
wrong and gotten help. We're not allowed to suggest that maybe,

(17:13):
if this individual was talked into transitioning at school, maybe
the people that were responsible for that should have considered
his needs instead of using him as a political football.
We're not allowed to consider that maybe he should have
had medical attention ten years ago instead of waiting to

(17:38):
discuss his mental health until after he decided to shoot
a bunch of people, because you know, we might be
blaming some women. We might be suggesting that the individuals
who were responsible for his upbringing and his education might
have been wrong the idea that he was far left
or far right or somewhere in the middle or up down.

Speaker 2 (18:01):
No, man, this dude with sideways.

Speaker 3 (18:03):
That's why he killed people, and somebody, some person in
his life should have noticed that before he got to
this point and done something about it, and nobody did.
And that's probably the biggest shame in this whole situation,
because those people would still be alive and now they're not.

Speaker 4 (18:24):
Well.

Speaker 1 (18:24):
Those were children, Yeah, well, be more specific.

Speaker 2 (18:28):
That makes it even worse. You know, even was.

Speaker 1 (18:31):
Targeting a classroom of children, was.

Speaker 3 (18:34):
That they never even got to grow up, you know.

Speaker 1 (18:36):
Yeah, it was like an eight year old and a
ten year old or something like that.

Speaker 3 (18:39):
And so there's a dead eight year old and a
dead ten year old, and based on normal classroom sizes,
somewhere between eighteen and twenty eight traumaized, traumatized eight to
ten year old children who will have nightmares about this
for the rest of their lives if they and and
the rest of the school will too. They'll be traumatized

(19:00):
as well, even if they didn't see their classmates die
in front of their eyes. But yeah, you know, this individual,
at some point there was a point of intervention that
could have happened, and nobody did it. Every adult in
this guy's life failed him when he was growing up.
Every single one is at fault for this just as

(19:21):
much as he is.

Speaker 1 (19:22):
So I just wanted to add some of my thoughts
to this, first of all, and I pointed this out
when Alison and I talked about this before. What I
think is probably a very relevant detail about his life
is that his parents divorced in twenty thirteen, and his
mother at least was very supportive of him transitioning, despite

(19:43):
the fact that she attended the Catholic church. By the way,
that's not a Catholic teaching at all. So I think
there's some issue with his mother supporting him transitioning, which
he'd later regretted, and he said so in his note.
And I don't know how much, like if there was,
because we're there's still things we don't know about, like,

(20:04):
you know, whether he actually like took any hormones or
started any hormone therapy to be transitioned. But let's just
back up to the divorce. His parents got divorced in
twenty thirteen. He is twenty three. He was twenty three
years old when this happened, and it's twenty twenty five.
That means that he was about ten years old when

(20:25):
his parents divorced. I think that it's worth pointing out
that that could have an effect on a child. On
top of that, the mother was supportive, at least, I
don't know if the father was. Maybe he was too.
I don't know of his you know, desire to transition
wherever that may have come from. I don't think it
came from the school but I can't speak to that

(20:47):
because I don't know for sure. And there's another thing too,
is that if you are starting on hormone therapy, it
will have an effect on your mental state. So that's
just something that nobody wants to talk about. And add
on top of that, if he was on any medications,
any drugs for you know, any of his any number

(21:08):
of mental issues, I don't know if he was on
the spectrum or what. I know that he had, Like
his video suggested some condition because he was like constantly moving,
like fidgeting in the video. I don't know if that
suggested anything. I'm not a doctor, so I'm not going
to speak to that. But there's there's some there's some
evidence that he was being medicated in some way, whether

(21:30):
it was for the transition or for mental health or both.
And I think that when you mess with your hormones,
it's it's I don't think that the science is settled
on that, and I think that there are going to
be problems. And I think that when you take that
and you add on top of that that this whole
like gender confusion phenomenon is more of a social contagion
than an actual like you know, anomaly of that has

(21:54):
like a you know, like some basis on. I mean,
there are some people who legitimately have you know, generdysphoria whatever,
and they find ways to cope. They either try to
like live as the general they were born, or they transition.
But I don't think that's what's happening, especially to the
young people like zoomers and maybe even gen alphas. They
are they're just jumping on board with this whole thing, right,

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and a lot of them are men, or their parents
push it on them, or their teachers push it on them,
or media does it. You know, they make it trendy,
they make it like a fad. And a lot of
men that are especially young guys, that are looking for
a positive identity to associate with masculinity because we demonize
it so much everywhere. Some of them go down this road.

(22:38):
They're like, well, if men suck so much, I think
I'll live as a woman. And that's something that legit happens.
And then it turns out that that's worse for them.
It's probably a living hell, and maybe they lash out
at the world for it, And you know, I think
that that's entirely possible. There's also a trend of well,
there was a pattern of like transgender shooters, right that's

(23:03):
been coming up. If you guys remember we've covered a
couple of these. And I think that some people try
to connect the dots to say, oh, that there's like
some sort of concerted effort or that this is some
kind of inevitable outcome of transitioning. I think we can,
you know, safely say that that's not the case. It's
this guy in particular, is you know. I think that

(23:24):
he put together a pretty schizophrenic manifesto in so that
people will be talking about this for a long time
and trying to figure out motive and all of that.
And I don't know that we're really gonna know anytime
anytime soon, at least anything very specific. But I did
talk with BX, who's Be's on X and BES is

(23:47):
a basically like a pro Second Amendment advocate that also
does a lot of research into extremist networks. She reached
out to us once. Some people call her son dress
Mom or something like that. I don't know, but she
shout out to us once a while back to talk
about how she found out that a lot of like
manisphere people or manisphere adjacent people like us were being

(24:09):
essentially on a watch list from the FBI and the
CIA and various other three letter agencies. And she brought
that to our attention because she, you know, thought we
should know because she doesn't support the government essentially surveilling us.
And since then, I've had her on the show and
she's talked about, you know, these sort of satanic cults.

(24:30):
There are these satanic cults like seven six four, which
is a thing that since she's talked to us, she's
actually been on mainstream news. I think she was on CBS,
and she's appeared on you know a number of other
sort of higher profile, you know, channels, so talk about
this stuff. And so since Beck's has been like kind

(24:51):
to us, I occasionally reach out to her and see
how things are going. And I messaged her and I said,
what do you know about this recent shooting? Because she
has a rule, it's the forty eight hour rule, where
she doesn't report on anything until forty eight hours and
then like you know, usually by that time, you know,
people have calmed down a bit and you can like
get the misinformation or the gun jumping sometimes literally out

(25:15):
of the way, and like get to what's going on,
and this is what she a summary of her substack
where she goes into this. So she said that she
contrasted the rapid spread of misinformation linking Westman to groups
like seven sixty four, which is a child exploitation network,
and O nine to a Order of the Nine Angels,

(25:36):
which is set a Satanic accelerationist cult. And there are
accelerationists all over the internet. We talked about this with
other people like Namakates and some of the insell forums.
They have people that go there. They're looking for men
who you know, don't feel like they have a purpose,
they have no place to be a part of there,
they're isolated, their atomize and they use them to do

(25:58):
like extreme like get them essentially gives them a sense
of purpose. Hey join Antifa, Hey join an Islamic you know,
like an Islamic nation, or join this neo Nazi group.
And a lot of them will join multiple groups because
they're just looking to see where they can fit in
and it doesn't even have anything to do with their
necessary ideological belief system. They just want to be a

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part of something. They want their heroic narrative. As I say,
a lot of men want that, and especially men who
don't have fathers in their life, because they're like rudderless
and they're looking for something, and nobody in the mainstream
cares until they like shoot up a school or you know,
kill themselves in some spectacular fashion. Then they become you know, important.

(26:42):
And that's why I think some of this stuff happens.
So she said that as as we know, let me
just read what the summary I have here in group
now and Henderson's cases. These are two other mass shootings
that I believe were connected to these cults, like seven
to six four and the Order of Nine Angels. The

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author struggled to highlight these connections with amid partisan noise,
but by Westman's incident, public assumption of ties to such
networks was immediate, fueled by viral but unverified claims like
a false givity farms account or misidentified a symbols that's
an Order of Nine Angels. The author debunks these, emphasizing
the need for verified evidence to avoid derailing investigations, while

(27:27):
noting Westman's manifesto and gear featured obvious satanic imagery. So
there were you know, pentagrams, and I think in the
notebook there was a drawing of I think it was
the person buying a gun from Satan again, who knows
what that means, like if they're legitimately a Satanist or not.
Cyrillic esthetics and true crime community references like a KMFDM

(27:49):
shirt and Columbine nods, but no direct seven to six
spore or a links. Westman is compared more to the
twenty twenty three Covenant School shooter Audrey Hale, both transgender
with anti Christian grudges, minimal online footprints, and long planned attacks,
then to comm network cyber criminal influenced shooters. The authors

(28:11):
bx's conclusions are that as of forty eight hours post shooting,
no concrete evidence ties Westman to order of nine Angels
seven to six four or LARPer core groups. Despite her
CALM adjacent TCC involvement and nihilistic violent extremist traits, this
person was definitely a nihilist. Like shooter obsession and anti

(28:32):
Christian taunts, Wesman likely drew from broader online fringes glorifying violence,
but rush speculation harms truth seeking. The author will report
any FBI confirmed links solutions to online radicalization lies in education,
mental health support for vulnerable youth and awareness, not censorship
or gun control. Gun rights must remain universal, rejecting calls

(28:55):
to restrict them for transgender people or SSRII users as
dis blaze demographics and tools rather than untreated mental illness
and subversive influences. Monitoring sites like scivity Farms is crucial
to preempt future threats. And I would add to that
as well. There's a lot of feminizing chemicals and elements
in our water, our air, our food and everything. And

(29:18):
I think that for it's hurt men and women across
the board. But I think that certain people who alter
their hormones or their brain chemistry further, it can actually
have more deleterious effects. I believe. So I think that
you know, we should be talking about, like Hannah said,
root issues, like you know, what was up with his

(29:40):
kids upbringing? What did his mother teach him? She was
the one around him all the time. Why did they
get divorced. I couldn't get information on what the divorce
was about, like whether there was abuse or what. You know,
maybe allegations were made. I have no idea and where
I don't know if anything new has come out. If
you guys know anything, you know, leave a comm or
say so in the live chat, and then there also

(30:04):
should be a conversation about, you know, what are the
what are the drawbacks of these mind altering drugs? You know,
I think a lot of people have tried to warn
us about this many years ago. I remember a really
viral Tom Cruise clip where he talked about this and
he was dismissed as crazy. And I'm only at this
point in my life. That only makes me think that

(30:24):
he was onto something and they didn't want him to
talk about it. And I think that we're looking at
you know, we're sort of reaping the spoils of our
let's say, you know, desire to blind ourselves to that.
And I don't think that you know, it also just
kind of starts from one simple premise is that you know,
men have a makeup, we have a hormone profile, we

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have a certain biology that is not what women have,
and we have been just like you know, damaging that
a lot. And that's why I often say, you know,
if you can guys, and I know this is like
maybe a little bit personal or maybe a little bit
I don't know, Like I don't want you to see
this shameful but you should check your testosterone levels because

(31:05):
if your testosterone levels are low, you're gonna be Not
only is it gonna affect your mood and your personality,
but it's also gonna affect your your immune system and
your ability to resist sickness. And I think that our testosterone,
like on a chemical level, like down to the bottom,
has been under attack for a long time. So that's
what I would say about that. And thank you to

(31:27):
BX for sending us the substack and like turning me
on to that. So anyway, that's all I gotta say.

Speaker 5 (31:34):
I just want to reiterate how much the school system
is to blame for this, even though a school got
shut up. Am I victim victim blaming the school? No,
the victims are children. I'm blaming blaming the school system
for reasons that should be quite obvious. Why do you
think there are so many school shootings, especially kids shooting
up their own schools. You don't get shootings in amusement

(31:55):
parks or bowling alleys or oh kate, it's so shit
like that. These are fun places to be. People don't
resent fun places, but they grow up resenting their school
because they have a really bad time lots.

Speaker 4 (32:09):
Of us too.

Speaker 5 (32:10):
Even back when I was in school, it was a
freaking nightmare because it just shoved in a prison with
a load of kids who don't give a shit about you.

Speaker 4 (32:19):
And so people.

Speaker 5 (32:20):
Grow up never well, a lot of people grow up
resenting schools. Kids say all through their time in school,
I hate this. I don't want to go to school.
Why do I have to go to school?

Speaker 4 (32:30):
It's shit. Everyone hates me. And in some cases it
gets so bad.

Speaker 5 (32:35):
That when people get filled with all this hate, the
first place they think have taken out on is that
hideous building that I was forced to go in. And
they even resent children and even hate children because they
had such a bad time in school. So, yeah, it's
never been a better time to your homes. School your kids, folks,

(32:56):
not just because it's the best way to keep them
safe from school shoot is because it's the best way
to prevent them from becoming school shooters.

Speaker 1 (33:05):
Yeah, I think I'll all right, Well, let us know
what you guys think about this one in the comments.
I looked forward to your thoughts on that, and we're
gonna move on. Oh, I want to show you something
else there is. There is also like an element of
I think it. I don't know how big it is,
but there is a radical, violent element of the trans community,
and it's really hard to tell like how much it is.

(33:28):
And because the lines around when someone is legitimately trans
or whether the LARPing or whether they're just a drag
queen or whether they're just gay, that that's all just
becomes so blurry at this point, or if they're a
pedophile that you can't really like pin it down. And
I think that's part of the point, is this confusion
and this ambiguity. But there are definitely, uh, some that

(33:52):
would call themselves transactivists, I guess that are legitimately like
you know, okay with violence. They maybe they don't engage
in it, but there's definitely like a lot of let's say,
antagonist antagonizing behavior and rhetoric that comes out of there.

(34:12):
People people in the vertical which had are really confused.
I just want to clear up, guys, I am joking
when I say this is a joke. When I say
this is another far right trans mass shooter, uh holding patriarchy.
I think that that should be obvious, but apparently you
guys need me to spell it out.

Speaker 2 (34:31):
So, yes, people don't sarcasm anymore.

Speaker 1 (34:33):
No, they don't understand. Yeah, they can't, and.

Speaker 3 (34:35):
It might even be because of that blurring of lines,
which I think that blurring of.

Speaker 2 (34:39):
Lines was quite intentional.

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Yeah, for sure.

Speaker 2 (34:42):
You mean gen xers.

Speaker 3 (34:43):
Will remember when both uh, transgendered people and drag queens
would get upset if you didn't know the difference. They
would actually get really upset if you didn't know the difference.
And you know, they really would get upset if you
didn't know that not all people who are drag queens

(35:05):
or transgender are gay, you know, as in comparison to
their their biological sex, like they would be. That was
really an offensive assumption to make. And then then you
also had you know, very sort of strict like if
you're not if you haven't gone through the procedures, the surgeries,

(35:28):
if you're not on hormone therapy, don't call yourself trans,
you're you're just you're you're just drag. And that was
very it was very offensive to indicate that somebody who
just dressed up and called themselves trans and didn't use
hormones and didn't have surgery, like even if they didn't

(35:51):
always have the bottom surgery because the bottom surgery is
very complicated and does leave somebody, uh would really injured
body parts, and especially if they ever want to e trans.

Speaker 2 (36:03):
But yeah, it still was considered.

Speaker 3 (36:07):
You know, you're you're you're LARPing, You're not really you know,
one of one of and uh And now all of
a sudden, you can't suggest that somebody isn't trans because
their characteristics are descriptive of somebody who is who is
a cross dresser as opposed to being trans. And you

(36:28):
can't suggest that somebody isn't trans because they're kind of
just LARPing. And you can't suggest that there's anything wrong
with pretending to be trans for a little while and
then not being trans and saying you're the same as
somebody who's actually suffered gendernice for you, and the medical

(36:49):
profession has told them that this is the best way
to treat it, which you know, even even now it
used to be you could at least acknowledge.

Speaker 2 (36:58):
That maybe this isn't the best way to try.

Speaker 3 (37:00):
Maybe if somebody has gender dysphoria, there might be less intrusive,
less dangerous, and more mentally healing ways to treat it
than changing their body. But because of all of the
political activism involved, we now have this situation where a

(37:21):
person can go full on past everything that people have
ever been comfortable with into some strange area of like
wearing a dog mask and parading around in bondage gear
in public in a place full of children, and say,

(37:42):
you have a prejudice if you think that that behavior
is inappropriate crossing boundaries, Crossing lines shouldn't be inflicted on
the people around them. The same thing that you would
say to a straight couple that paraded down the street
in bondage spank in each other's butts and stuff like that.
Nobody would accept that.

Speaker 2 (38:01):
But because it is.

Speaker 3 (38:03):
Politically an incorrect to criticize somebody for being gay, or
criticize somebody for being trans, or criticize somebody for cross
dressing or anything like that, you now get to use.
You're just saying that because if they do something that
anybody would not accept if a if a straight couple

(38:26):
did it.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
Yeah, sure, so yeah, that's the situation.

Speaker 3 (38:32):
I'm sure this person had that going on as well,
And probably the last few shooters that have been trans
have had the same thing where they they did things
that anybody else would have been called out for or
somebody would have maybe suggested that anybody else needed help
because of those symptoms, and particularly in their school, the

(38:52):
adults probably did nothing because you can't say anything about
them because they're trains.

Speaker 1 (38:56):
Yeah, all right, well let us know what you guys
think about this one in the comment's gonna move on
to the next story. But I did get a super chat,
so I'm gonna read that one really quick. Master Rowe
gave us five dollars. Thank you. Master Rogan says, if
they caught me, then they put me in a cell
with twenty locks. Unless I can pin it on Jack
in the Box. I guess that's a song lyric. I
don't really know, all right. I don't know what you

(39:18):
kids listen to these days. So we're gonna move on
to the next story. Thank you guys so much, and
I look forward to your comments on that story. And
if we get like more information out of BX or something,
I'll follow up. But I you know, I don't know
what we're gonna learn, so we'll see, all right. So
this created a stir in the let's say the Left side.

(39:40):
A Wired article published on August twenty seventh, twenty twenty five,
by Taylor Lorenz no Less exposed the Chorus Creator Incubator Program,
which is a secretive initiative funded by the sixteen thirty Fund,
a major liberal dark money organization. The program offered democratic
leaning social me media influencers payments ranging from two hundred

(40:02):
and fifty to eight thousand dollars a month to bolster
progressive messaging online, with over ninety creators involved, boasting a
collective audience of more than forty million followers. Contracts reviewed
by Wired require participants to maintain secrecy about their funding
and involvement, prohibit using program resources for unauthorized political content

(40:24):
without prior approval, and mandate routing interactions with politicians through Chorus.
High profile influencers such as Olivia Juliana. You guys, remember
Olivia Giuliana was supposed to be the what was she like,
the queer woman of size or something that was supposed
to be talking to like men and trying to get
them to vote for Kamala Harris or something. David Packman

(40:48):
who claims to be a centrist but obviously is not.
Leigh McGowan politics Girl never heard of her, and others
who must attend advocacy training messaging, check ins, and events.
Seen thirty five, founded in two thousand and nine as
a counter to conservative dark money like the Cook Network,
has funneled hundreds of millions select leaning causes without disclosing donors,

(41:10):
allowing it to bypass Federal Election Commission reporting requirements. The
response has been sharply divided and polarized. Conservative outlets like
The Daily Caller and Headline USA amplified the story as
evidence of hypocritical democratic astroturfing, while Reddit communities such as
Our True Reddit and our Politics debated its implications, with

(41:31):
some viewing it as a necessary catch up to republican
media strategies and others decrying it as manipulative. Progressive influencers
and co founder Brian Tyler Cohen issued strong rebuttals, with
Cohen releasing a video on August twenty ninth calling the
article misleading and riddled with factual inaccuracies, framing Chorus as
a nonprofit scholarship and mentorship program for independent creators rather

(41:56):
than a partisan pay to play scheme. Corus itself disputed
the secrecy claims, of course they did, stating creators are
free and encouraged to discuss their involvement and face no
content restrictions, though it did not address specific contract clauses.
Wired added an editor's note on August twenty eighth clarifying
details after feedback from a lawyer involved in a zoom call. Yes,

(42:20):
these claims are heavily contested, particularly by those directly involved
interestingly enough, who argue the reporting sensationalizes at a legitimate
support program for creators while ignoring smaller practices or similar
practices on the right. Critics like Cohen accuse Lorenz of bias,
noting her funding ties to similar dark money sources, so

(42:41):
that's great expose her connections like the Amadiar group, which
supports Wired and highlighted that creators can and do criticize
democrats freely. Some influencers, like the Spehar and cat Abu
Oh My God Abu Gazella complained about an offer Rai's
use of their images in fundraising materials, lending credence to

(43:04):
ethical concerns, but others such as Lauren Pietra, defended the
payments as fair compensation for unpaid work. Broader discussions on
platforms like slash dot and r slash Neoliberal question the
ethics of non disclosure agreements and FFC evasion, but acknowledged
dark moneies by partisan prevalence, with no formal investigations announced

(43:26):
as of September two, twenty twenty five. And I just
want to add to this as well. I think Taylor
Lorenz may have like there might be a little bit
of like you know, inviting going on there on the
left with the progressives. I think Taylor Lorenz because she
wrote for I think the New York Times, and she
is like kind of notoriously disliked by everybody, and I

(43:48):
think that she's just sort of like lashing out and
you know, trying to start shit. But the other thing
I'll say too is that while I know that these
people were coached on you know, talking points, I don't
think they were let's say, people who didn't believe what
they were supporting. So I think that's a misleading thing
that I think a lot of like people on the
right are doing wrong when they say all these people

(44:09):
don't really believe it, because I think they do. I
think that if you're if you're going to invest in
people to like, you know, send out your message or
blow your horn for you, they it's probably a lot
easier if they're people who are already inclined to support
you know, you your sort of side of the political aisles,
so to speak, like if they're already feminists, which is
why I picked this story, because we've talked about at

(44:32):
length how many astroturfed activist feminists there are on the
Internet that are paid by dark money to like, you know,
engage in debates on larger platforms like the Whatever podcast
or something like that. And they even come out later
and say, yeah, you know, I got paid by Biden Harris,
I got paid by USAID, I got paid by these NGOs.

(44:53):
So to learn this is not really shocking, but I
thought it was, you know, worth pointing out because I
think more and more people are are learning this. So
that was basically my the thing I wanted to to share.
And just real quick, for you guys that are watching,
if you want to send us a message, be sure
to do so. Feed the badgel dot com, ford slash,
just a tip or super chat or rumble rant. I'll

(45:13):
be sure to read it after we're done talking about
the story. Okay, So anybody else got thoughts on this?

Speaker 2 (45:18):
Sorry, jump in Mike, you got anything?

Speaker 4 (45:20):
Nothings? Me and I want to die.

Speaker 3 (45:23):
So with regard to the whole dark whenny thing I
happen to recall, uh, you know, recently there was that
allegation against right wingers from with this this Russian money and.

Speaker 1 (45:33):
Yeah, RT was like Tim Poole Lawrence and yeah.

Speaker 3 (45:37):
And and when people started talking about it, and and
it came out that the people involved, the people who
were accused, didn't even know that they were being funded
in this manner like it was. It was it was
running away that they didn't know the money came from Russia,
and they didn't really have any connection to the funders,

(45:57):
and they weren't asked to say anything or told to
say anything, and it didn't seem to be reliant.

Speaker 2 (46:03):
On what what they said. The left still went ballistic
with oh, they're being bought off, they don't believe any of.

Speaker 3 (46:09):
This, they're just paid, paid propagandists, and they're they're breaking
the law, they should be arrested for violating election laws,
and just everything they could think of to accuse present
this as some sort of nefarious like the right is
is is a the whole right wing is a Russian conspiracy,

(46:31):
like any and anything that's not super far left is
part of the right wing, and no matter what was
said in terms of you know this, this wasn't even direct,
this wasn't even there was no communication. There was no
way for them to be like, oh, we need to
say these things because we won't get paid if we don't.
You know, nobody would take that seriously, nobody would accept that,

(46:55):
and the upshot ended up, you know, being that there
was this consensus among the left. You know, we just
proved the whole Russian conspiracy, the whole debunked Russian conspiracy claim,
blah blah blah.

Speaker 2 (47:07):
Right.

Speaker 3 (47:08):
In the meantime, they've been accusing the right of all
kinds of dark money shenanigans for years without evidence, and
assumed that that proved all of that as well. But
when anything is brought up about a left wing dark money,
even sort of gray money like comes from George Sorows

(47:33):
that everybody knows about because it's done in public, there
are pathways you can trace if you actually feel like it.
Plus the establishment money that goes into all things left wing,
including banks donating to feminist organizations and so on. Oh,
you're a conspiracy theorist for talking about that. What is
wrong with you thinking? That that has any influence or

(47:57):
you know, means that the feminists them, or that the
the feminist establishment is part of the political establishment, and
part of the business establishment, part of the economic establishment, right,
the financial establishment.

Speaker 2 (48:13):
No, no, it's all bullshit.

Speaker 3 (48:14):
They just merited that money because what they're doing is right,
and you're a conspiracy theorist for even bringing it up.
And here we have what is essentially another Patreon for
just people in the left wing, and it is filled

(48:35):
with examples of what they would call dark money if
the right was doing it. And the reality is, any
time one side has any flow of money related to
any discussion, any talk, any news reporting, any commentary, any anything,

(48:56):
the other side is going to accuse wrongdoing.

Speaker 2 (48:59):
They're going to.

Speaker 3 (49:01):
Make all kinds of claims about conspiracies, and back and
forth will happen about oh, you're just a conspiracy theorist
and bullshit. And when you get to the truth at
the bottom of it, there are people on both sides
who are heavily funded by the establishment, and then.

Speaker 2 (49:18):
There are people like us.

Speaker 3 (49:21):
We don't make a lot get we get a little
bit of help from individuals who are fans who are
not part of the establishment. They're just regular folks. They
work together by each person, you know, helping out with
a dollar or a five dollars or a regular small

(49:43):
payment through Patreon or through Honeybadger Brigade dot com, through
feed the Badger dot com. But aside from that, like
we are pretty much ignored by the establishment in terms
of and we don't really go seeking funding from banks

(50:04):
and the Ford Foundation and the Carnegie Foundation and all
those guys who do fund some of these other people.
We look for listeners. We don't have ads, right, We
look for listeners. We look for people who really believe
in what we believe in. And we've been able to
keep our nose clean because of that. So, you know,

(50:25):
you just kind of have to. Anytime you see an
influencer out there that's big, that has a huge audience,
that gets promoted by establishment media, especially if you see
them guest starring on any kind of mainstream establishment commentator
show or anything like that. Everything they say, take it

(50:45):
with a grain of salt. Research it and maybe consider
that it might be either promoted because of the ideology
that it's attached to, or stated by the individual because
of the dollars that it's attached to and listen to

(51:06):
smaller creators like us. Share our stuff, all right, boost
our our reach, and uh, you know, don't don't necessarily
make us gospel either. Question everything, independently, verify, read everything
you can get your hands on about these subjects, and
inform yourself. But definitely never trust a big platformed, you know,

(51:32):
establishment fed establishment featured commentator, because frankly, you're you're dealing
with somebody that's not trustworthy.

Speaker 2 (51:43):
And that's true.

Speaker 3 (51:44):
That's not just true on the left, it's it's obvious
on the left, but it's also true on right.

Speaker 1 (51:50):
Yeah, all right, so I got a super chow read
that out mereth g thank you, gives us five bucks
and says HBr News number five one eight. So we
have a situation where a young man's family breaks apart
due to divorce. The SSRI problem only brings up the
issue that this young man was pill milled. Don't deal
with the problem, but push medication on him so he

(52:10):
will behave. But this is the second incident where there
is evidence of a shooter being interested or obsessed with
other mass shooters. While his target was a Catholic church.
It's an easy target when the media and culture demonizes it. Yeah, yeah,
we don't get as upset unless it was like a
black church. And then you know that because they try
what they wanted to make this like about the kid

(52:32):
being white, you know, or whatever, but they couldn't really
make that stick.

Speaker 3 (52:36):
So the Columbine shooters, by the way, were all so
obsessed with other mass shooters, and I think if you
look at some of the other mass shooters' histories you
find that actually they were, if not obsessed, at least
fans of other mass shooters. That's a thing that was

(52:57):
noticed clear back in the eighties, and it's there was
a young lady who had a particularly fucked up youth
who thought of as the first school shooter. There were
school shooters before her, but she was the first school
shooter to be widely reported in the in the media

(53:19):
as a school shooter. They sort of coined the phrase
because of her and kids like her who was the
reporting was so widespread. I don't remember her name, but
I remember the name of the band that made a
song about her. She was asked why she did what
she did, and she flippantly answered to the reporter, I

(53:43):
don't like Mondays and the Boomtown rats in the UK.

Speaker 2 (53:47):
The school shooting shooting happened in the US.

Speaker 3 (53:49):
Right, She stood in her bedroom across the street from
a school that she didn't even attend and just shot.
She just picked off kids at the school. Yeah, but
in any case, the boomtown rats made this song out
of out of her her statement, and the title of

(54:09):
the song was I don't like mondays and that reporting
led to it wasn't something where they've blamed other school
shootings on this, right, Oh, these people would never have
thought of this if this girl hadn't been widely reported on.
But it was encouragement when you have notoriety for something
like that. People who are similarly disturbed with similar violent

(54:34):
impulses due to similarly dysfunction caused as anger, they may
decide to manifest it in a similar manner, especially if
they are seeking fame. And I think that's that may
have been like this, This guy may have still been

(54:55):
you know, he may have exploded in some other way
if not for the fact that he knew this was
a pathway to fame.

Speaker 4 (55:03):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (55:03):
I mean, most people who are struggling with this kind
of stuff, most men just kill themselves and we don't
really pay attention until they kill a bunch of other
people and then themselves. Then it becomes a problem that
we have to address. And it's usually misdiagnosed and the
and it's the cure is also wrong. It's usually like,
you know, ban the guns, ban this, ban that, ban

(55:26):
the video games, you know, and there's no like, wait
a minute, how did we get here? And that's like
the most important question that people should be asking. But anyway,
we have to move on. Let us know what you
guys think about this one in the comments. I look
forward to your thoughts. Thank you, Meredith for the super child. Okay,
a little bit lighter news also, real quick, I think

(55:47):
it's funny that Tommy not Tommy what's her name Lorenz?
So almost say Tommy Lauren and then I said Sophia Lauren,
which is no, Sophia Lauren is like a bombshell. But yeah,
that Taylor Lorenz like did this. I think it was
just like a spiteful, mean girl thing and it just
created the shit storm and I think it's hilarious. So like,

(56:09):
you know, let's make some popcorn and watch the fireworks.
But anyway, Emma Watson, this is a little one, but
I thought it was funny, and there's something about it
that's kind of interesting too, because this is like a
kind of cope that nobody really wants to fess up to.
So I'm gonna like bring this up, okay. Emma Watson,
you might know, actress best known for her role as
Hermione Granger in the Harry Potter series, first introduced the

(56:32):
term self partnered. So she has come out as self partnered.
In an interview with British Vogue ahead of her thirtieth birthday,
she explained that she had struggled with societal expectations about
milestones like marriage, children, and career, which caused her significant anxiety.
She rejects the conventional happy single label as insincere, for her,

(56:55):
stating it took me a long time, but I'm very
happy being single. I call it being self part The
phrase quickly went viral, sparking discussions on redefining singlehood and
challenging stigmas around women being unmarried notice it's women specifically.
In a follow up Vogue interview, she clarified her meaning,

(57:15):
emphasizing that self partnered isn't solely about celebrating singleedom. At
thirty three, she reflected on personal growth post thirty, saying
getting to the point when I was thirty, I was realizing,
oh maybe I figured out some things about how to
care for myself better, maybe quite well actually, and taking
pride in that. She highlighted the value of self care
and building community, especially after COVID nineteen, noting quote coming

(57:39):
out of COVID, I really understood the importance of building community,
having community, and investing very intentionally time and energy into that.
Recent articles, such as those from Times of India and
lad Bible have revisited the term in light of ongoing
cultural conversations about independence for women, often tying it to
Watson's advocacy for women's autun So, what is self partnered?

(58:04):
It's female in cel, but I'll read this definition anyway.
But that's what it is. Self partnered refers to a
state of fulfillment and self reliance where an individual prioritizes
their relationship with themselves, viewing it as a primary partnership
rather than temporary or deficient status like single. Because it's
not icky that singles ikey right. It emphasizes personal development,

(58:24):
emotional independence, and contentment without needing a romantic partner to
feel complete, while still allowing for dating or relationships. Clinical
psychologists Carla Marie Manly Ironic describes it as investing time
in self growth to achieve wholeness, applicable to both singles
and those in partnerships. Watson's use of this term challenges

(58:45):
traditional narratives that equate women's value with romantic coupling, promoting
self love as empowering and provocative. Critics have noted it
as a nuanced evolution from terms like sologa made Did
you know it's sologamy? Do you know what that is?
That self marriage reflecting bonder shifts towards individuality and younger generations,
though some may view it as overly semantic or evasive

(59:08):
of basically just being single. And I also want to
note that there were other people who have come out
as self partnered. Lizo, for example, not a joke, It's true.
Lizzo is self partnered. There is Selena Gomez was self
partnered after she broke up with Justin Bieber, and Anita
Sarkisian is self partnered. If you guys don't know who

(59:29):
Anita Sarkisian is, I will not bore you with the details,
but so there you go. Take that patriarchy. I'm alone
and it's okay. That doesn't make me a loser.

Speaker 3 (59:39):
So okay, so this is something that I gotta jump
on first. There is no such thing. None of the
celebrities that are saying this mean it. It has absolutely
nothing to do with their lives. They don't give a
rat fass about whether they're partnered with somebody or not,
because they're all narcissists. But it does put somebody whose

(01:00:01):
name hasn't been in the news cycle for a while
back up into the top of the reporting circles so
that you will hear their name. And the evidence that
I have that that is what she is doing is
the fact that in nineteen before COVID, NBC published an

(01:00:23):
article Emma Watson says she's self partners partnered. Here's what
that means and why it's not a bad idea. So
five years ago, six years ago, six years ago, she
did this, yeah, right, and then if I remember right,
the next year she got the part as Beauty and

(01:00:44):
the live action.

Speaker 2 (01:00:45):
Beauty and the Beast.

Speaker 3 (01:00:48):
Thereafter, like she did it, and then she got shortly
thereafter she got a movie part. Right, So she's putting
her name out there to get people to see, oh, look,
Emma Watson made the news. And I mean she's done
this with other things, like getting involved with feminism, doing
the whole heat for shea thing and blah blah blah.

(01:01:09):
But it's really being able to, you know, do something
that is not supposed to be all that controversial. People
are like supposed to just kind of look at it
and go, yeah, whatever, I mean, right, And it sounds
it sounds like something positive to say that you are
focusing on personal growth and blah blah blah. So it's
not getting half the country angry.

Speaker 1 (01:01:30):
Yeah, is the kind of thing you'd say in the
Impulse Atyle, like on US magazine at the Preatry store,
you know, like somebody some actress you haven't seen it
in a while, and be like so and so on
on focusing on the self and like personal growth and
their struggle. It's supposed to get you to buy the
magazine basically, right.

Speaker 3 (01:01:48):
So essentially, folks, this is an ad and she got
she got MSN to run this ad for her, She
got Upworthy to run this ad for her, She got
Instagram to run this ad for her, she got Facebook
to run it for her. She got x to run
it all over the place. If if she's really lucky,

(01:02:09):
it'll trend right, it'll really really.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
Get her some some press.

Speaker 3 (01:02:16):
She got Reddit to run this ad for her by
people talking about it, she got every major news outlet, ABC, NBC,
I think I already mentioned ps pms.

Speaker 2 (01:02:28):
NBC, CSC, MSNBC, MES, n PC.

Speaker 3 (01:02:34):
But she got Yahoo, she got people to write blogs
about it, she got us to talk about it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:40):
Uh, it's it's a pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:02:42):
Effective ad and she didn't have to pay a dime
for it, not one thin dime. Everybody that's posted about
this on social media, y'all are posting an ad like
that's that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:02:54):
That's all this is.

Speaker 3 (01:02:55):
It's not even ego, it's not even cope. It's an ad.

Speaker 1 (01:02:59):
Yeah, for sure, all right, should we? I got a
super chat from ZARAANX. He gives us five and says
Watson is not the first to do the self partnered bit.
Don't know why it's news. A number of women have
married themselves, some married their pets too. Yeah, well on
the point, I'm just I thought it was funny because again,
like you know, not that I think it's there's anything

(01:03:22):
I don't know worth celebrating to just be like alone.
But it's funny that when women are in basically going
MiG tao, there's like all of this press around it,
and when men go migtow, they're shame. They have to
go back to the plantation. Like they don't even like
that migtow avoid relationships and marriage. They can't stand that

(01:03:45):
even though they don't really want them around, they don't
want them in their lives. But you know, women like
this or Anita Sarkisian, who I said, you know, she
married herself for her birthday, and it's just like, yeah,
that's just kind of sad, Like it's sad that you're
creating fake press so that you can be relevant, because
that's ultimately all it is. And I think it's kind

(01:04:06):
of sad. That's that's what I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:04:09):
I don't think. I don't think it's sad.

Speaker 5 (01:04:11):
I think, well, that's what you said, she's a female insult.
I mean, if a man said any of the ship
that she's on about, everyone would just.

Speaker 4 (01:04:20):
Go, you're anitzt pro. Yeah, it's just we're go dressing him.

Speaker 5 (01:04:23):
Even I would go, bro, you're just pretending not to
be an insult but the mental gymnastics women will do
to just avoid the notion that there is such a
thing as as a female insert and she's not. Well,
she's not really an insult because she she could very
easily find a man, She could fight one anywhere. She

(01:04:45):
just can't find one who's good enough for her. Expect
that's what I think it is. He always has and
the richest, most handsome guy in the world would never
be good enough for her. And there's a male loneliness
epidemic for the same reason because men can't find women

(01:05:05):
who who can find a man who is good enough
for them. Sort of thing is all over the place now.
That kind of the the female equivalent of an in cel,
although as I've often said, it's not them cell. It
sucks cell, because the female equivalent of an incubus is
a soccu person, so.

Speaker 4 (01:05:27):
Is a suck cell.

Speaker 5 (01:05:28):
In fact, I think she's just a succubus, and so
I'd like to thank her for staying away from men,
for staying away from my precious gender, because if she
did have a boyfriend or her husband, she'd ruin his
life and make him miserable and probably kill himself. So
it's not sad. I think I'm glad. I'd like to

(01:05:49):
thank her, and I'm happy for her, and I'm happy
for a man whose.

Speaker 4 (01:05:53):
Life he has.

Speaker 5 (01:05:54):
She has not ruined all the men's lives. She has
not ruined. Thank you, Emma for a everything, Stay stay
the away she for.

Speaker 1 (01:06:03):
She all right, Well, let us know you guys think
about the Emma Watson. Are you are you happy for her?
Are you gonna tell her to go queen? Let us
know in the comments. I think I've read everything.

Speaker 3 (01:06:14):
Story to be announcing a movie part sometime in the
next couple oh, probably for the next year, because I'm
sure that that was this was angling for attention.

Speaker 2 (01:06:27):
And then you know.

Speaker 1 (01:06:28):
You know, we have yeah friend of the channel, Lisa Brighton,
who posts a lot on x about men's issues. She
used to work in journalism for like these kind of
Hollywood magazines, and she told us that everyone who's a celebrity,
you know, they they intend, they call paparazzi to get

(01:06:52):
pictures of them and to like put them in various
you know, expose a's or whatever and allow them to speculate,
because sometimes they just get a picture of somebody and
they'll photoshop it and then put it out and say
is so and so you know struggling with cancer? Are
they are? They have like a love child, and the
point of it is to essentially kick them in the
news so that they might get a part. Oh yeah,

(01:07:13):
that's that's all it is. Actors are the biggest like
they can be some of the biggest sluts when it
comes to looking for work. I've known actors I worked
in theater, and you know, I mean, they can be shameless,
and I think the Hollywood people are probably the worst
of that. So yeah, I wouldn't be surprised. Anyway. Let's
know what you guys think about this one in the comments,
and we're moving on to the last one. Okay, So

(01:07:34):
this this was an an Atlantic article which I thought
was interesting. So there's an Atlantic article called the New
Marriage of Unequals that was published in March, so it's
a little older, and it examines the growing phenomenon of
hypogamy hypogamy or hypoga hypogammy, I don't know, in heterosexual marriages.

Speaker 2 (01:07:56):
Right, because hypergamy is it's.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah, yeah, hypogamy in heterosexual marriages where women are increasingly
partnering with men who have less education than they do
marking a reversal from mid twentieth century trends towards educational
equality homogamy in couples, whether that's we're way past that now.

(01:08:19):
Drawing on sociological and economic research, this piece argues, so
this is contestable, okay, that this shift is largely driven
by demographic imbalances. There are now significantly more college educated
women than men in the US, rather than deliberate preferences
for marrying down. For instance, data from sociologist Christine Schwartz

(01:08:40):
shows that in twenty twenty, sixty two percent of educationally
mismatched marriages or hypogamus, up from thirty nine percent in
nineteen eighty. All Yale researcher Clara Chambers notes that stable
marriage rates among educated women indicate their adapting to partner availability.
Historical contact highlights how post World War Two, rising female

(01:09:03):
college enrollment pushed towards homogamy, but recent stagnation in male
education has tipped the scales, with economists like Benjamin Goldman
estimating that only nine point six percent of Americans born
in nineteen eighty ended up in such unions where the
woman holds a four year degree and the man does not.

(01:09:23):
The article delves into the dynamics of these relationships, using
anecdotes to illustrate persistent gender roles and economic realities. Examples
include Mary, a geospatial studies graduate who became a stay
at home mom while her less educated husband runs a
welding business and out earns her and Sonia ben Hedia Twomey,
a PhD holding linguist who is the breadwinner with her

(01:09:46):
auto industry husband as a stay at home dad, facing
societal awkwardness like assumptions he's stolen their child. Research supports
that in hypogamous couples, women often still shoulder more childcare
and de domestic labor, experiencing a post childbirth earnings penalty,
though less severe than in equal education pairs per studies

(01:10:08):
in Austria and the World Value Survey. The author concludes
that while hypogamy may signal women's empowerment amid a shortage
of suitable male partners, it also underscores broader societal tensions,
including political divides between genders, declining marriage rates, and narratives
from the manosphere blaming feminism for men's economic woes, Ultimately

(01:10:30):
questioning whether this new marriage of unequals fosters true equality
or reinforces imbalances. And before you guys jump on it,
I wanted to point out that this isn't actually measuring
how much they earn, but just their education. And I
did a firesight chat yesterday with this is Shah. We
talked a little bit about dowry laws of the past

(01:10:53):
and how a lot of the stuff that we're talking
about now is very recent history in terms of, like,
you know, the way that marriages, dating, wooing, courtship, all
that worked is very recent in the grand scheme of things.
And what is happening now is I believe that this
is trying to some degree to like cope with what's

(01:11:15):
really on the ground occurring, which is that you have
women who are getting every possible opportunity to get a
higher level of degree in colleges, but they're most of
the time not actually finding a job that you know,
like essentially pays that degree off. Like they're not starting
a business. They're not like you know, like really let's say,

(01:11:37):
ambitious in that particular field, and a lot of them
just end up with regular jobs and a lot of debt,
which the that's what they usually bring to a marriage
or relationship. If they can't pay it off. And so
for example, in that example they gave where you had
a geospatial studies graduate who became a say at home mom,
while her less educated husband runs a welding business and

(01:11:59):
now earns her. That sounds exactly like what I'm saying.
So essentially he is picking up the bill for her
for her you know, student loans, and but he happens
to have like a functional job that's actually practical, like
we know, welding, which people need, as opposed to her
geospatial studies degree, which I don't even know where, Like

(01:12:21):
I'm sure there are places where you can use it.
But you see what I mean, So that this is
not really about women dating down unless they see the
education difference as a status difference, which is possible anyway.

Speaker 3 (01:12:36):
That's what I mean when she works in her degree,
even if her degree gives her an income, Like it
takes two to four years to become a nurse. If
you if you go for our INN instead of LPN,
you need a bachelor's and it can even take five
years to get that bachelor's if you are planning on

(01:12:56):
specializing in anything, like you want to be an r INN.
But you specifically want to work in mental health care,
you specifically want to work in obigen or anything like that.
That usually adds like, here's what your electives are going
to be, and you might want to take some extra
you might want to have a minor. Right, but your

(01:13:16):
your average pay just for an R in a regular
RN is between forty and fifty an hour.

Speaker 1 (01:13:24):
Right.

Speaker 3 (01:13:24):
It takes minimum seven months to become a welder, and
it's fifty to sixty per hour, So you earn ten
dollars more per hour to be a welder than to
be a nurse. And it takes you less time to
become a welder than it does to become a nurse.
Now that's just basic education in welding, Like you can

(01:13:48):
again specialize and it might take longer. And there are
other welding programs that can lead to things like underwater welding,
which is incredibly diffangerous but does.

Speaker 2 (01:14:02):
Care pay quite a bit more. But even then, it's pretty.

Speaker 3 (01:14:05):
Common to have a certificate or a degree in like
two years one to two years you can get a
bachelor's but for for the most part you don't have to.
So yeah, you could you could even be working in
your field as a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:14:21):
And depending on what your what degree you go to.
If you if you go.

Speaker 3 (01:14:25):
For a degree in early childhood education or early childhood
care and say you're going to be a daycare professional
or a preschool teacher, you do not earn nearly as
much as as a welder. The amount in fact that
you earn teaching at preschool is almost the last I heard,

(01:14:48):
it was barely over what people earn if they're working
as a barista. So it's it's and you might spend,
you know, a huge amount of money to get there,
so you have all this debt, and if you don't
work for the same school for long enough, they won't
pay it off.

Speaker 2 (01:15:08):
You are paying it off.

Speaker 3 (01:15:09):
And so yeah, it's not just in terms of money.
Having a degree is not a guarantee of anything. That's
if AI doesn't kill your job or there isn't some
other thing that keeps you from getting your job.

Speaker 2 (01:15:24):
If you study to do something.

Speaker 3 (01:15:27):
That relies on hand and arm strength and being able
to work on patients, you know, in a way that
involves moving their bodies and lifting and applying pressure to
their bodies and things like that like chiropractic care or
being a massage therapist or even sports medicine, and you're tiny,
you might not.

Speaker 2 (01:15:47):
Get hired for that job.

Speaker 3 (01:15:48):
It's just the same as if you're you know, it's
it's something that they shouldn't involve large men to get
into either, because a lot of people will be like, no,
I don't want want that guy working on me. And
it is a waste of the student's money to advise
them to study something that they're not going to get
a job in, like in that. We've seen that firsthand

(01:16:10):
in my house. But in any case, Yeah, this this
whole thing of hypo I don't know, hypogamy, hypogamy, hypogamy,
whatever you want to call it. I am am pressing
X on that one. Yes, I think most of the

(01:16:30):
time when women get married, they have seen something that
they think that they can benefit from.

Speaker 2 (01:16:37):
You know, they're not.

Speaker 3 (01:16:39):
Women will say romance is the most important thing to them,
but they're not romantic. They don't do romantic things for him.
They just expect him to do romantic things for them, right.
They don't even engage in a whole lot of gestures
to indicate that they care at all, especially if they're

(01:17:01):
working all the time. So it's bullshit. I'm calling bullshit
on this.

Speaker 1 (01:17:07):
Now.

Speaker 3 (01:17:08):
That said, there is something that I would call hypogamy
or hypogamy or whatever you want to say. This needs
to be pronounced as and that is when look at
some dude who has no job, no prospects, no education,
no interest in any of those things. You know, the

(01:17:29):
kind of guy that back in the seventies you would
have seen him standing around on a street corner smoking
a cigarette and making comments about the people walking by. Right,
and they decide that's the guy they want to date.
He's what every person around him would call a loser,
and they haven't seen something in him. Well, this guy's

(01:17:49):
going places. He just hasn't done it right now, and
they haven't seen something in him that well, this guy's
especially nice or awesome. I love this thing about him,
this character aspect, you know, none of that. It's just
he's he's a rebel. He looks like maybe he's handsome,
you know, he's like that James Dean character. But he's

(01:18:11):
you know, completely as far as the rest of society
is concerned, completely useless to the community and maybe even
an inconvenience to the people around him. And his only
redeeming quality might be that this girl has some interest
in him, you know, or they look at the mugshot

(01:18:31):
of the guy that has the pretty eyes and then
I want that guy. That's that's what I would consider
to be hypo gammy. Yeah, you can and unless you
know she's a moron, in which case then she can't
do better.

Speaker 2 (01:18:48):
But you can do better. And you're not going to
fix that guy.

Speaker 3 (01:18:52):
The only thing that could possibly fix that guys if
he decides he wants to be better and has some
life experience that helps him him figure out how right.

Speaker 2 (01:19:03):
But that's not going to be you.

Speaker 3 (01:19:05):
In fact, anybody that gets gets into that guy is
basically going to enable him. Women will do that, right,
and then they'll they'll enable him for five or ten years,
and then they'll they'll get mad.

Speaker 2 (01:19:21):
They'll be like oll minner pigs. All men are this,
All men are that.

Speaker 3 (01:19:24):
Because they scraped the bottom of the barrel and then
they took the thing they found in the bowl of
the spoon underneath the rest of what was at the
bottom of the barrel, pulled that out and went I'm
gonna marry that guy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:40):
And I'm sorry, ladies.

Speaker 3 (01:19:42):
But you cannot turn a dipshit into a diamond by
polishing his knob. That's just not the way it works.
So I'm you know, I don't believe this this story.
I think the story's bullshit. But the the status exists,
the behavior exists. It just doesn't look the way that

(01:20:03):
they're making it out to look.

Speaker 1 (01:20:04):
Right, it's another twisting of the narrative to suit them.

Speaker 3 (01:20:08):
No, that's the reality is, that's status quo. The reality
is the way that the reason they want to make
it look that way. So they want to put pressure
on guys to start spending their money on university again.
But you should be very careful doing that. Like if
you're thinking about going into medicine, yeah, that's not a

(01:20:29):
bad idea.

Speaker 2 (01:20:30):
You know, if you're thinking.

Speaker 3 (01:20:31):
About going into any any area that is you're seeing
it replaced by AI right now, you might want to
think twice. I wouldn't get an art degree today, for sure.
I wouldn't have gotten an art degree ten years ago,
for sure. And think about whether or not you're likely
to get hired in the thing that you're going to

(01:20:51):
school for, and if not, get ready to open up
your own business when you get out, because those that's
really your only other option. And that's in medicine. A
lot of gender difference in pay is because of that.
Women get out of med school and they go find
a hospital or a clinic to get hired at or

(01:21:13):
partner with or whatever. Men get out of med school
and they might do that for a few years, but
a lot of times they'll start their own private practice
and then also work with a clinic or a hospital
or whatever, but their primary practice is one that they control,
and you set your own prices.

Speaker 2 (01:21:35):
When you do that.

Speaker 3 (01:21:35):
Now, insurance companies can negotiate, and Medicare can negotiate.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
Medicaid gives you.

Speaker 3 (01:21:41):
An amount and that's all you get from them. But
this is pretty much across the board with various different
ways of working. Women go look for a job when
they get out of school. Men might work for someone
else for a while when they get out of school,
but if there's a chance that they can run their
own business, they will and they end up making more

(01:22:02):
money in part because of that. So I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:22:07):
This this whole thing.

Speaker 3 (01:22:09):
I don't want to say it's another ad, but it's
pretty damn close, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:22:14):
Mike, do you have anything to add about this plan? Intended?

Speaker 4 (01:22:18):
Not much really, Yeah, I agree.

Speaker 5 (01:22:20):
I don't think women are aiming down in terms of
education level.

Speaker 4 (01:22:24):
It's just that there are more.

Speaker 5 (01:22:27):
University educated women than there are men, because there's more
women in university than men almost across the board, at
least in the West. So they really have no choice
but to to find a man who hasn't gone through that.
And in any case, the education system turns you into
a work leftist feminist. I mean, the further you get
into it, the more of a simp you become. And

(01:22:48):
women will claim that they want a work leftist feminist guy,
but in practice they lived from drier than the Gobi desert,
so they kind of subconsciously know.

Speaker 4 (01:23:01):
I think that educated men are.

Speaker 5 (01:23:04):
Largely pricks and wankers, and uh, they go leave it there. Yeah,
stay away from universities and stay away from university students.

Speaker 4 (01:23:12):
Everyone they're all wankers, including me. Sure, we're just putting
it for our destination.

Speaker 1 (01:23:16):
So this is good timmy, All right, Well that's yeah,
that's that. Uh, that's it. Then that's the last story.
So we're going to go into the Patron show now
and we're gonna look, we're gonna try to go through
this article. Maybe we won't. I don't know. There's lots
of other stuff we could talk about. It all depends
on whoever is in the after show chat with us.
So if you want to come join us in the

(01:23:37):
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(01:24:00):
I just want to say to the people in the
vertical chat, because I guess I probably should have picked
my title more carefully. I was kidding, obviously, not a
far right white supremacist, transgender mass shooter. The idea is absurd,
That's why I put it. I thought it was funny
and sarcastic. But a lot of people don't seem to
get that. Maybe we've just become way too like, I

(01:24:20):
don't know, like the sensitivity around these topics has gotten
to the point where everyone takes everyone literally all the
time and you can't make a joke. So yes, obviously
not a far right like white nat I think Rosie
O'Donnell was literally saying that the mass shooter was like
a maga white nationalist guy and she's like in did

(01:24:41):
she move to Ireland or something? So anyway, yeah, you
got you got a pode, I guess so, but it's fine.
I'll just I'll just try to consider that the vertical
chat is special and alter my titles accordingly so that
I don't like confuse you guys too much. So anyway,
thanks guys for coming on the show, Thank you to

(01:25:02):
Mike for taking the time, and have a good flight
to England. You're going to Scotland. Scotland, right Mike, Oh
he'd left, all right? Well uh yeah, so anyway, we're
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Speaker 6 (01:25:32):
Men's right activists are machines, dude. Okay, they are literal machines.
They are talking point machines. They are impossible to fucking
deal with, especially if you have like especially if you
have like a couple of dudes who have good memory.
On top of that, too, holy shit, you're fucked

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