Doordash delivery girl arrested, Tiktok's fav detransitioner and more | Maintaining Frame 192

Remember that door dasher that filmed a naked man, posted it online then claimed he assaulted her? Looks like there were some consequences to those actions. Also, some people find that transitioning was a mistake and decided to detransition. Big mistake.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Good morning, good afternoon, good evening, wherever you may be,
and welcome back to Honey Badger Radio. And he is Brian.
I'm here with Allison and this is maintaining frame number
one ninety two. DoorDash delivery girl arrested TikTok's fave d
transitioner and more So, we got a few things we're
going to be talking about. One is an update on
the situation with the DoorDash delivery girl that went viral

(00:23):
for recording a naked man and then claiming that she
was actually sexually assaulted by him. And that was like, well,
we're going to follow up on it. I covered it
on the news show when it happened I don't know,
like a few weeks back, and there have been some
updates developments, Yeah, some developments. And we also have a

(00:44):
couple of videos to look at. I don't know how
much time we can spend on them, but one is
a video by a channel called Psychoor which basically has
a It's entitled why millions of men are vanishing from
and why it should terrify you? It seems like a
really obvious thing to say. And then we have one

(01:07):
from Queer Kiwi called TikTok's favorite d transitioner where she
talks about a man who has decided that he is
in fact a man and wants to live as a man,
and why she simultaneously has no problem with it but
also has a problem with it. So those are like, yeah,

(01:30):
and those are our topics.

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(02:41):
get into the things. Let's just get start without.

Speaker 1 (02:44):
Any further ado, Yes, without any further ado. So we
have a follow up for the door dash situation DoorDash
delivery girl. You guys might remember I have a clip here.
Here's a little bit from It's from October twentieth, so
about a month ago. This happened. This woman take your delivery,

(03:05):
found a man naked.

Speaker 2 (03:08):
I hope that's blurred because otherwise we're gonna be screwed
in YouTube.

Speaker 3 (03:12):
Hey guys, just deactivated me two days after I reported
my sexual but what is it?

Speaker 1 (03:18):
What?

Speaker 2 (03:19):
Oh? I just realized you you have shaved off your mustache.

Speaker 1 (03:23):
Oh yeah right, yeah, it was bothering me. I'll let
it go back then, but maybe a little bit more controlled. Yeah.
I got rid of the the uh gold miner mustache.
But it'll grow back, I'm sure.

Speaker 4 (03:37):
So yeah, okay, all right, Hey guys, I just lost
my job and they won't tell me why. I They're
supposed to send an email immediately after deactivation providing you
the reason why and a link to appeal.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
And they didn't.

Speaker 3 (03:54):
So I contacted support and they made me sit on
the phone with them for fifty minutes just to tell
me that they can't tell me the reason why. And
I could just go ahead and appeal without knowing why.

Speaker 2 (04:03):
Yeah, I wonder why.

Speaker 1 (04:06):
They Oh yeah, I mean this goes on. But she
claims that like essentially she was actually assaulted by this guy.
I mean that he tricked her into approaching his open
door and like that he would so he could like
lay there pretending to be asleep with his junk out.

(04:27):
Very elaborate, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Very elaborated constructed. Can we just can we just say
a few seconds of how absolutely bad ship? She sounds like,
you go a little bit further in into that video
and maybe expand it which one. Yeah, just yeah, avoid
avoid the junk because YouTube will be like, no.

Speaker 1 (04:51):
I'm not gonna okay, So it just says here a
man named Austin orders door Dash. He's also doxing his name.
By the way, h Order's door Dash selects the option
to have the order left of the door seize his
door dasher me has a female name falls asleep on

(05:11):
the couch, which he puts in quotes because you know,
men never do anything like on accident or whatever they do.
It's always it's always predatory with his pants and underwear
down to his ankles and his front door wide open
in fifty nine degree weather. So this is what I
see when I have to leave the.

Speaker 2 (05:32):
Order, and we're not going to show that because you no,
I'm not go about thirty seconds beyond this, so.

Speaker 1 (05:39):
Like what like right here?

Speaker 2 (05:40):
Yes, yeah, it's just right right there. My god, that
was my only way to make money to pay my belt.

Speaker 3 (05:46):
Three days ago, October twelve, twenty twenty five, I was
a victim of essay by a door dash customer while
I was doing my job.

Speaker 2 (05:52):
Essay. Okay, Well, first of all, this is by no
means sexual assault. This could be considered exposure if it
was intentional from on his part, like it could be
indecent exposure, but it is not sexual assault. So right
off the bat, massive exaggeration by this individual.

Speaker 1 (06:12):
Well, I think they lost their job and then trying
this is what I think is going on. She lost
her job she acted in appropriately. Maybe she thought it
was funny. Maybe she couldn't pass it up as an
opportunity to like, you know, show something on social media. Yeah,
like exposed some guy for being a perv or whatever.
But she probably didn't think anything of it and then

(06:33):
did not realize you overset the boundary, lost her job,
got really upset, and now she's like, Okay, I gotta,
I gotta somehow I got to be the victim of
this so that I can get a payout or something.

Speaker 2 (06:42):
I don't think that's the I don't think that's the timeline.
I think she actually alleged sexual assault during when it happened,
when it happened. I could be wrong, but I've heard
that the timeline is that she started with the false accusation,
and it is a false accusation. It is even if
even if he planned all this, it's still in decent exposure.

(07:04):
He didn't touch her. The assault actually requires some form
of physical contact, and there was none. Okay, and but
let's let's let's keep let's do a little bit more.
I mean it's not long, right, so we could just listen.

Speaker 3 (07:18):
And I've seen this. This is my third time posting
this I'm.

Speaker 1 (07:22):
Not going to share it if she's going to show
it again.

Speaker 3 (07:25):
Yeah, yeah, you know, right now, my account is going
to be banned.

Speaker 2 (07:28):
I'm gonna yeah, just so that we clarify, she filmed
this man naked, uploaded it to the internet with identifying details, okay,
and then she alleged that he engaged in a criminal
activity that he categorically could not have done based on

(07:50):
her own testimony, all right. And then door dash found
out about this, and they terminated her account, or they
suspended her, and then they terminated her account, and also
the police got involved, so they took her statement, and
when she uploaded this video, the police investigation was pending,

(08:14):
so they hadn't figured anything out at that point, right,
And now she's continuing to dig the hole deeper, of course,
because that's what you do when you've never had reason,
you've never actually experienced consequences to your actions. So let's
let's continue, all right.

Speaker 3 (08:32):
The door dash customer requested that their order be left
at their front door. When I arrived at their front door,
their front door was wide open, their lights were on,
and they were sleeping on the couch within eyesight of
the front door with their pants and underwear pulled down
to their ankles, and they were indecently exposed to me.

Speaker 2 (08:49):
At least she got it right this time.

Speaker 3 (08:50):
And I'm not even going to be posting the video
clip anymore because I'm pretty sure that's what's getting me
the strikes.

Speaker 2 (08:55):
You think, Yeah, there are several with your video doc sing.
I mean, if we care about the situation for men,
this could be a form of revenge born because you
found this man offensive, all right, and then you uploaded
his naked body and then the nudity.

Speaker 5 (09:15):
You might be getting it strike because you're uploading nudity, okay,
and you're also uploading a video against presumably the consent
of the person in it because she's unconscious.

Speaker 2 (09:27):
How could he have consented to it? So there's a
lot of reasons for this to be struck from Twitter
or not Twitter TikTok the cesspit. Okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 1 (09:39):
But yeah, I.

Speaker 3 (09:40):
Reported it to DoorDash, and DoorDash did ban the customer,
and then two days later DoorDash banned me.

Speaker 2 (09:47):
Oh okay, so let's let's just let okay, the.

Speaker 1 (09:50):
Timeline fired her.

Speaker 6 (09:51):
Technically, they took her word for it. They took her
word for it all right. She's talking about being discriminated
against by the system by demand, and the man first
took her word for it, and then presumably they started
looking into it and noticing.

Speaker 2 (10:11):
That there was a lot of stuff that wasn't adding up.
For example, I'm pretty sure door Dash has access to
her GPS data and maybe even dash cams. Who knows, right,
But they realized something was not adding up, But their
first instinct was to believe her and ban the customer.

(10:33):
I want you to I want you to uphold that
in mind every time women come out with we're so,
when we talk about our sexual assault, we're so, everything
is against us. No, it wasn't. She immediately got what
she wanted and was immediately decided on her to her,
to her on her side.

Speaker 1 (10:55):
M hm.

Speaker 2 (10:57):
But that wasn't good enough, because apparently after.

Speaker 7 (10:59):
Some you DoorDash had had had concerns, they had some
they had some qualms, they had they had a few
a few issues with the story that she was spinning.

Speaker 2 (11:13):
But let's continueculated.

Speaker 3 (11:15):
I appealed and they were supposed to respond to my
appeal within seven to ten business days. They didn't even
provide me a reason for my deactivation. They're supposed to
send an email. They didn't, so I contacted support and
they told me to continue with my appeal without knowing
a reason why. There's an option to select don't know
why I was deactivated, and then you still have to
explain yourself. So I did, and within twelve hours afterward,

(11:37):
they had already denied my appeal. So I'm really never
getting my door dash account back. DoorDash deactivated me. DoorDash
punished me for exposing my assaulter, and TikTok is currently
punishing me for exposing my story time. And this is
the only justice I'm getting because I also reported this
to the police, and the police are doing nothing.

Speaker 2 (11:53):
And the first their first step. Doordash's first step was
to kick off what is looking like her victim, because
of course she's a woman, and her victim is a man,
well alleged victim, because she's just been arrested.

Speaker 1 (12:12):
Yes, and now we're going to get to the arrest
dirty woman.

Speaker 2 (12:15):
Sorry, Oh no, spoilers. Let's yeah, I mean it's only
a few seconds left night.

Speaker 1 (12:20):
No, there's like another minute and two minutes almost of
this video.

Speaker 2 (12:24):
Okay, No, let's keep going. Let's let's let's let's watch
or dig the pole completely.

Speaker 3 (12:30):
But I have an update as of October sixteenth, twenty
twenty five. But first and foremost, I just want to
thank everybody for the overwhelming support and alley ship that
you've shown me. It's really making me feel so validated.

Speaker 2 (12:43):
And yeah, I remember arguing with these freaking allies. I
was like, this has more all.

Speaker 1 (12:53):
Yeah, this thing though she doesn't like she can just
go to like forget like police and law and like
you know, suing companies and like getting losing her job.
Just post on TikTok and she's probably gonna get support.
She probably did. That's why when she had that freak
out because she thought, oh I lost my job, I'm

(13:14):
gonna lose my money. But posted online, so a bunch
of people probably send her money. I'm sure that she
got support, probably got a job offer. And now she's like, oh,
I guess I can just do this and then when
you know I face the consequences of my actions, I
can go online. I can cry about it, and simps
will come out of the woodwork and give me money,
so I can just do this again. I mean that's

(13:35):
what I think. Anyway.

Speaker 2 (13:36):
Yeah, it's entirely possible that she she's sitting in the
pile of cash.

Speaker 1 (13:41):
Probably yep.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
Okay, let's let's uh, all right, let's continue.

Speaker 3 (13:45):
I just want to let you guys know I really
appreciate the outpouring of support. So the update is, last
night I was made aware a bunch of people started
commenting on my pages that DoorDash made a public statement
about me on their TikTok story and on their most
recent Instagram post in the comment section.

Speaker 8 (14:04):
And I'm not going to speak too much further details,
but what I am going to say is I am
the entire rest of the world found out why I
lost my job at the exact same time.

Speaker 2 (14:17):
Okay, you guys, well, maybe maybe this isn't bad. I mean,
I don't know if we can trust what she's saying.
But if DoorDash didn't give her a reason, I mean,
that's on them.

Speaker 1 (14:26):
But really that's like, well, they probably didn't give her
a reason because they probably needed to investigate, so like
they probably want to do their due diligence because they
have to protect their interests as a company, and so
they were like, Okay, we're just gonna we're gonna ban
both of them. Fire her for like making this into

(14:48):
a thing, because again, freedom of association, they can fire
whoever they want. And also we're going to ban this
guy for the same reasons. We don't know if he
intentionally did this or not at this point in time,
so he's banned as well. Again, freedom of association. You
are not deserving of an employer, and you are also
not deserving of a place to shop, like they can

(15:09):
choose not to serve you. And I think that that's
why she got They were basically doing the safe thing.
But she's going to turn it. She's turning it into
a moral issue, a sexism issue.

Speaker 2 (15:20):
Of course, because you know, that's how you do. That's
how you do if you're a modern woman. Okay, let's
uh letting you know this right now.

Speaker 3 (15:28):
The people that saw their public statements and made me
aware that they made those public statements knew why I
lost my job before I did, because I went and.

Speaker 2 (15:37):
I checked out. No, honestly, I think if you had
searched your feelings, you would have known why you lost
your job. If you had searched your feelings. No, no,
not your feelings, because your feelings are ineffably corrupt. If
you had searched what remains of your cognitive functions and
gone through that day, you would have ended your contract.
You would have known why you were fired.

Speaker 6 (15:58):
M okay, let's let's keep going to public statements.

Speaker 3 (16:02):
And they sent me the deactivation email around the same
time they released the public statements, like literally with.

Speaker 2 (16:07):
Yeah, you know why, You're right, Brian. They were investigating
her for crime.

Speaker 1 (16:13):
Yeah, they were doing the right thing. They were investigating
because I'm sure that door Dash and grub Hub and
Lyft and Uber and uber Eats and all these companies
they at Amazon, they probably all have like situations like
this that come up and they probably are like, Okay,

(16:33):
we got to be delicate here because if we get
this wrong, this could be bad for our company, And
so they just do. I think it's just a smart
thing to do, so you figure out what's going on.

Speaker 3 (16:43):
Yep, me my deactivation email explaining my reason for being deactivated,
a whole twenty four hours after they deactivated me, and
a whole twenty four hours after I already saw it.

Speaker 2 (16:54):
So she's just trying to create victimhood out of this.
But again, considering what she did, in the seriousness of
what she just did, what you're right, Brian. They're probably
investigating and they were trying. They're talking with their lawyers
about how to respond to this. Yes, but they couldn't
let her continue to victimize other.

Speaker 1 (17:14):
People because exactly, I think that what they did was
the best thing, because they they well, basically, it's like this,
when this thing broke, we didn't really know who was
to blame. A lot of people like her, well, she
knows what really happened because she was, Yes, she does.

(17:35):
People who like were online exposed to this stuff and
saw it, they had conclusions and they jumped to them
that this was like and a lot of them were
basically like saying that the man for whatever reason, did
this on purpose to her, and a lot of people
were supporting it as a sexual assault. Even if he
did it on purpose, Even if he was doing it purposefully,

(17:57):
it's not sexual assault. It's indecent exposure, sure at best.
So but what then? And yeah, I mean, if you
look at social media like it's a jury, then you're
probably gonna be like on her side. But door Dash
did the smart thing, and that was we're gonna investigate
and then we'll act on that. And they probably didn't

(18:19):
have a lot of women involved in the investigation not
gonna lie. They probably had cops and lawyers and people
that were looking at hard data and hard evidence, and
they were like, no, you this is not a sexual assault.
Maybe inappropriate, well but well, you know, we don't want
like maybe he was drunk, maybe he was high, whatever,
we don't know, but like that's not you know, that's
not appropriate. So we're gonna at least call it that,

(18:40):
which I think is fair. But she was, if anything,
less appropriate, I guess, because that's what it looked like
the the investigation resulted in. So yeah, yeah, after.

Speaker 3 (18:53):
They had already denied my appeal, they finally sent me
the email explaining why they fired me. So I am
the rest of the world. We all found out why
I lost my job to here.

Speaker 2 (19:05):
Oh, she's like making everybody her.

Speaker 1 (19:08):
On her side and.

Speaker 2 (19:10):
Together we're all well, okay, guys who are all in
it together, are all going to do time with her,
because yeah, if you just expand that that screenshot there
of her face and then the the information beside it, yeah,
go to the next one. So essentially, this is a
arrest record for her, and she has been arrested for

(19:36):
essentially disseminating, probably disseminating material of a like a pornographic nature.

Speaker 1 (19:42):
She says of the description here dissemination of surveillance images
and unlawful surveillance.

Speaker 2 (19:49):
Okay, so she this means this charge means that he
was not visible to her unless she did something to
make him visible to her, which means most likely she
opened the door. And I actually sent a potential because

(20:11):
she she when she first uploaded, she apparently upload according
to people who saw the first upload, which is like
now in the annals of Internet myth, she actually videotaped
herself opening the door, and we have there's a screenshot
that I sent Brian that shows that I think it's
a sliding door or something. I don't know, maybe it's

(20:32):
weird different in the South, who knows. Yeah. And but
based on the charges, she would have had to take
make an effort to put herself in a position to
videotape him unlawfully. So that means that this she did
this via She did this via opening the door. There's

(20:57):
no other way it could This could be unlawful surveillance
if he was actually visible to her from a public location.
I don't think that qualifies as unlawful surveillance, right, that
would qualify as indecent exposure. So she had to have
done something to make him visible to her. She took

(21:19):
an she made an active choice. And the real question
is that how often does she do this? How often
does this woman open the clients of door dashes houses
when they have explicitly said leave the food And that's
the other thing he said, leave the food on the porch, right,

(21:39):
How often does this woman actually engage in this kind
of violation of others privacy? Like? How is this the
first time? One wonders, because the first time she ever
does this, she finds something that she can use to
create Internet fame, Like, seriously, how did she know? And

(22:04):
it's not looking like that, you know? There he was
visible from the actual porch, unless she's she looked through
the crack, in which case, why are you like when
you're when you're dealing with this job, you're you're delivering stuff?
Do people usually do door dashers usually spend time trying
to spy on people?

Speaker 1 (22:25):
I think it's actually I've seen videos of like delivery
people for door dash, Uber Eats, Amazon, They do sketchy shit. Yeah,
So like I don't know if the standards for those
places seem to be lower than they are for say
UPS or FedEx or the or even like the you

(22:46):
know us male. So yeah, yeah, I mean I've seen, yeah,
I've seen sketchy things. How much it doesn't really surprise me.
This is why I don't do door dash. I mean,
Lindsay and I don't really order in. But it's probably
not health.

Speaker 2 (23:03):
What we don't. We don't order in because there's absolutely
no out there. There's nothing out there. Yeah, we we
just we just cook up our beans and rice and
over the trough and just that's it. But the yeah,
this just the question becomes how much shady disreputable ship

(23:25):
has she done before this point?

Speaker 1 (23:28):
Because this is er workman said something I want to
respond to really quick, he said, I think it was him.
Somebody said, oh notice no one is actually trying to
get his side of the story. Well, I think that
the investigation likely involved them talking to him. Yeah, but
like he doesn't want to be online discussing this. I
think that, if anything, they probably could only have concluded

(23:53):
by talking to the the man in question. But yeah,
I mean, he doesn't have an Internet presence, and why
should he. I think that this is like actually very
you know, sensitive topic. So I think they did get
his story, and I don't think it's anybody's business what
that is. That they've basically gotten that done.

Speaker 2 (24:12):
So this is humiliating, But what she's doing is humiliating.
And honestly, if it was a if this was a
world with this, if this was a world where women
were treated like men in the justice system, I'm pretty
sure she'd be facing a charge of disseminating pornography against

(24:38):
his will. Yeah, revenge porn and and any any kind
of charges related to upskirting or or illicit videotaping women
for a lurid purpose, like anything like that. I'm pretty
sure she'd be facing them too. As it is, she's

(24:58):
getting a discount because she's only facing unlawful surveillance and distribution.
And then, of course, door Dash, what did they do?
They banned him. In fact, he probably only got redemption
from this because she went to the cops a day
after she posted this on the internet. As a night
Cycle points out right, she went to the cops, and

(25:20):
then the cops once it got into the cops, notice,
of course they're going to take the investigation and I've
heard a rumor. I'm not sure if this is accurate
that he had a doorbell camp.

Speaker 1 (25:31):
And so the ring camera the photo of her, Yeah,
of her from the ring camera, where is it? Like?

Speaker 2 (25:39):
Yeah, yeah, so they have confirmation that she opened his door.
But again like this, this, this just raises even more
questions for me. Has she done this before? And this behavior,
let's be frank, it's interesting that she immediately went to
sexual assault. Right, they have this saying that thieves think

(26:03):
everybody is a thief. Is this behavior a part of
a pattern that she's engaged in? You know this this
and this is this is this is sexually exploitative behavior,
like she is a predator? Is this part of a
pattern of well alleged, I mean it has to be proven, right,
but if she if she's done this, this is predatory behavior.

(26:26):
And my question is this the latest part of a
pattern of predatory behavior that she's engaged in allegedly? I mean,
it still has to be proven. Right, She's arrested, which
is really unusual. Let's face it, it.

Speaker 1 (26:44):
Also maybe unusual is good? Maybe like we're starting to
see some some fairness.

Speaker 2 (26:52):
Yes, oh oh? Does she have an update on being arrested. Okay, yeah,
but you'll notice in this thread there are still idiots
caping for.

Speaker 1 (27:07):
This is like four minutes.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
No, no, that's not I don't think she's caping for her.
There's a lot of women who are just tired of
the ship. Just because it's a woman talking about it
doesn't mean that she's caping for But there are a
lot of men caping for her. Yeah, there are stuck there.

Speaker 1 (27:27):
Yeah, guy that loves my job and they don't tell
me why college.

Speaker 2 (27:33):
Okay, yeah, I don't.

Speaker 1 (27:35):
Want to watch any of these because it might show
the guy.

Speaker 2 (27:38):
So yeah, yeah, don't. But let's let's let's listen. Shall
we move on to the I mean this is just
this is yeah, well k like honestly, well, it's not
even karma, it's justice. And that's probably why she didn't
want to go to the cops, because she knew, like
everybody was probably telling her to. And then she got

(27:59):
high on her own farts in her own pr and
then she went to the cops, and that's what destroyed
the narrative. And yeah, if this was just like a
if this was a big question mark, like the guy
maybe presented himself in such they wouldn't have arrested her.

(28:20):
All right. This this means that this is very one sided,
which means that there is some evidence somewhere that she
did actually put herself in a position violate his privacy
and put herself in a position to make unlawful video
of him naked. Now think about that. Let's let's just
reverse a genders for a second. He put himself in

(28:40):
a position to take unlawful video of her naked. What
is the Internet response to that? Is it this? Yeah, well,
he didn't do anything that Amy Schumer didn't admit to

(29:03):
in stand up comedy. Okay, let's Cardi B or Cardi.

Speaker 1 (29:07):
B or Katie Perry, Katy Perry or something that people
have actually done like Jenny McCarthy. All right, but anyway,
so what do you want to do next? Do you
want to do the why millions of men are vanishing?

Speaker 2 (29:20):
Sure?

Speaker 1 (29:21):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (29:21):
Did you get? Did you get like the best possible?

Speaker 1 (29:24):
Yeah? I got some time codes. It's uh, it's actually
not debt disagreeable. It gets there's some things I'm not
crazy about.

Speaker 2 (29:33):
But yeah, we can go over the thing I'm crazy
about if.

Speaker 1 (29:36):
You like, Uh, sure, I guess let's I got like
five time codes. Let's just get yeah, I mean we
can get through them pretty quick, just so you guys
can get the sense of the video. So okay, just
a little bit of a warning. This is like the
the animation is AI. So you know, if you hate
that stuff, then just listen and don't look. There's nothing

(29:56):
to see. Really, there's no like too right, it's for
making the video. I mean, I think ultimately it's a
good video. There's some things, Like I said, I have
some nitpicks, but I ultimately I think it's a good
video and I think that it's you know, there's a
lot more of these coming out.

Speaker 2 (30:15):
So men's rights artistic, men's rights activists, activist nitpick video
news at eleven.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Yeah, I'm not tisming. It's just like no, I'm just
oh look, I'm just I'm not going to say anything yet.
I'll say it later.

Speaker 9 (30:31):
America, men in their prime working years have vanished from
the workforce, not fired, not laid off. They just stop
showing up. And what's happening because of it should concern
us all. This isn't about a few guys taking a
break or early retirement. This is a mass exodus happening
in real time. These men aren't protesting in the streets
or making demands. They're doing something far more powerful. They're

(30:54):
quietly subtracting themselves from the social math. And now, after
decades of ignoring them, society is finally starting to panic
because when millions of men disappear, the consequences don't stay
invisible for long.

Speaker 2 (31:07):
Oh no, they don't, especially when they disappear from jobs
that are particularly like well, women are just not going
to do because they're dangerous. They require a certain level
of strength, and in particular, they require endurance of out
outside factors that that women don't want. Like for example,

(31:31):
when we electricity in my province, because we have all
it's very cold during the winter and periodically things will
break down and it's not even it's not even anything
weird's happening, right, It's not like a moose is stuck
in the power lines, which has happened. It is just
hoar frost gathering on the lines causing it to be

(31:54):
weighted down and break and men and it's all men,
almost exclusively. I've never seen a female alignment. I don't
even know if they exist. They have to go out
in like weather where the windshill is negative fifty and
fix it right. And this is true about across the board.
For infrastructure, it's true for maintaining the track lines, it's

(32:18):
true for maintaining the natural gas, the internet, everything like.
These are really harsh physical conditions and men go out
and they face it. And for the most part, men
are less They tolerate harsh physical conditions a lot better
than women do. They have more masks so they can

(32:39):
stay warmer when it's colder, and you know, they have
a thicker skin, they have more muscle mass, so they
have a more robust constitution. And women don't want to
go in these jobs because to women, they don't have
enough of a surcharge, the enough of like an increase
in the amount that you get paid that justifies the

(33:01):
sheer level of discomfort. Whereas men are more I don't
want to say they should be more condition or they're
more exposable, but they just naturally have a stronger constitution,
so the level of discomfort is less less extreme to
them than it is to a woman. And when men disappear,
you're gonna feel at first in those infrastructure jops that

(33:21):
will not like women will not go into them they
will not go into them and you're gonna And what's
interesting is we've seen sort of a case study and
we discussed it. Remember the Bins strike in the UK. Yeah,
we're in that one burrow or whatever they call it
where garbage was piling up in the streets and there
was rats all over the place. You know, maybe they'll

(33:43):
start seeing the resurgence of the bubonic plague. The reason
why that happened was because they started to pay women,
and it was justified because this profession, these professions were
majority women. So women who were cooking, women who were
cleaning inside and doing caretaking roles which were within you know,

(34:04):
they're in a a air conditioned or a hate heated space.
They're working with other people, so it's social they're getting
they're they're doing cooking, which can be gratifying in and
of itself. They were started to pay them equivalent wages
to men who were out in the streets hauling garbage, right,

(34:26):
getting garbage off the streets. So they decided to pay
women equally women and the justification was because of the
wage gap between two completely different occupations with completely different
risk profiles and discomfort profiles. Right, one is outdoors one
is indoors, and they said, while the indoors one is
majority women and they're not making as much as the

(34:48):
outdoors one, which is majority mail, so that must be
sexism Harper Durp. So we're gonna go pay the women
the same amount, and the men were like, uh. They
stopped being able to have the money to pay the men.
Men went on strike, and now garbage is all over
and that's the issue. It's not just that women won't
take these jobs. It's also that our society has convinced

(35:10):
itself that the disparity in pay between a man who
has to work a difficult job in the elements is sexism.
So we're now not paying these jobs properly. Are We've
convinced ourselves we don't have to. And yet this quiet
quitting is going to be hit there first because you
got the two pressures. Men are leaving and the places

(35:34):
where you're gonna feel that most is those occupations that
most rely on the type of labor that men represent.
And then those occupations that most rely on the type
of labor that men represent are in the political crosshairs
of the waged gap. People who want to reduce the
wages offered men in these positions because their majority for

(35:56):
no other reason than their majority mail and their female
majority occupations that earn less. It's absolute insanity squeezing from
both fronts, and people are men in these occupations are
already signing the alarm that there aren't enough new young
male applicants into the infrastructure jobs to continue to maintain

(36:18):
them with the same level, well the level that's required
to maintain modern civilization. So this is being felt, but
you'll never hear it in like a New York Times
article or a Guardian article. Okay, I'm done my rant.

Speaker 1 (36:36):
All right, So now, okay, next time, code.

Speaker 9 (36:40):
Or I can ignore section two the root causes. Why
is this happening? So why is this great withdrawal happening
right now? It wasn't one single thing but a perfect
storm created by three powerful forces hitting all at once.
A massive economic shift, a jarring cultural whiplash, and a
devastating psychological toll.

Speaker 1 (37:00):
All right, I'm just pausing it there. He's going to
go into those things in a second, and we can
decide if we agree or not.

Speaker 9 (37:07):
First, the economic tsunami. For most of the twentieth century,
a guy could graduate high school, get a union job
at the local factory or in a skilled trade, and
be pretty confident he could have a stable career and
support a family. That deal has been taken apart piece
by piece. The collapse of manufacturing from automation and outsourcing
was a body blow to traditional mail jobs. And these

(37:28):
weren't just jobs, they were identities. They gave men respect
and a steady paycheck. So what replaced them? For men
without a college degree? The new jobs are often in
the service sector or the gig economy, unstable, lower paying,
and with few if any benefits. According to Economic Policy
Institute and Analysis, real wages for men without a four
year degree have fallen dramatically since the nineteen seventies and

(37:50):
nineteen eighties. This isn't just about buying power, It's about
the value of the work itself. Would you feel like society,
we've got.

Speaker 2 (37:57):
To pause it because otherwise it's dominate the short Yeah, well, yes,
I would also argue that one of the things that's
happened is that middle and lower class women no longer
want middle and lower class men.

Speaker 1 (38:15):
I think that's actually more important, yes, Because yeah, I
mean you feel like, oh, you know, you like the
the industrialization and the streamlining of those things is kind
of an inevitability. But like that doesn't mean that we
couldn't be preparing men for that shift, and we just
didn't do that. I think education failed men. I think

(38:37):
that women have also failed men, because the assumption is that,
you know, women are not going to like lower their
standards or work with men at the where they're at.
They're just going to demand more and men can't matter.
And women have entered the workforce too, so I don't know.

Speaker 2 (38:57):
Okay, well, let me let me just unpack that women
lower their standards. By lower their standards, we mean actually
make good on the whole I want a man as
a companion, Yeah, and learn what that means. Okay. And
then the other thing is that women's standards were never
in history, like they were not this high. And really

(39:21):
what that means is women expected more of themselves in
the past in terms of productivity and developing resources and
stuff and bringing that to the family. Right that was,
that was and we still see this in traditional cultures,
which is why traditional cultures have more female participation and
stem fields. They are expected to get a job that

(39:44):
will earn for the family, and that used to be
the attitude. Now, in the past, women would maybe earning
for the family, would be running a homestead or a farm,
but there was still that attitude, right, And in the
past women did other jobs like they would would be
household help and their their husband would be a sailor,

(40:05):
and they would work together to afford a family. Okay,
So that attitude that you are there as one half
of the adults in the family is gone because you're
not there to have uh a a daddy butler. You're
there to be the second adult in the family who

(40:28):
pulls her weight financially and pulls her weight in terms
of production, whatever that looks like. And through a lot
a good portion of American history that would have looked
like a homestead, right and European history might have been
a bit different, might have looked more craft economy and
that kind of stuff, or home based businesses and stuff
like that. But you were productive, and there was an

(40:50):
expectation that you were productive as a as a woman,
and that productivity got you access to a family and
to a husband and a family. And that that expectation
is gone because Hollywood created this new idea of the homemaker,
the woman as consumer.

Speaker 1 (41:08):
Right.

Speaker 2 (41:08):
That's that's completely artificial and new. It's never it was
never the case in history that women occupied a role
like that. They nobody had the money to do it,
to allow it. That's the thing. The fifties were the
first time in the human race is history that a
critical mass of people were so prosperous they could afford
for a woman to sit at home and manage the

(41:31):
home using mechanical labor, which are all of the appliances
that were invented in the fifties, the forties and fiftie
and you know, the first half of the nineteenth the
twentieth century. You know, that was the first time we
were wealthy enough to give women that level of leisure. Right.
And Hollywood was behind turning Hollywood and Madison Aveuw were

(41:52):
behind turning women from productive people who were expected to
provide materially for their faith families to non productive consumers
who simply bought. They bought cans instead of canning, They
bought prepackaged baking goods instead of baking from scratch. They

(42:12):
bought produce from from grocery stores, instead of having small
gardens and orchards and managing that. So it was a
complete shift in the identity of women from from producer
to consumer. And then of course be if Betty for
Dan called the resulting boredom the problem with no name,

(42:37):
and then we were off to the races with feminism
like the the most probably the most toxic iteration thereof
where the women blamed men for being bored. Okay, but again,
like women were never supposed to just add nothing to
our relationship and nothing to a family. That was never

(42:58):
the case in human history except for an artificial modernist
blip in the nineteen fifties that was supported by you know,
a bunch of a bunch of like advertising men and
women and Hollywood. Okay, so that you need to situate
that now, as a result of that, there are generations

(43:20):
of women who think they don't have to add anything
to the family or a relationship with the men. Right,
They don't have to be productive in order to access
a relationship with the men. They don't have to have
a certain level of emotional control to be in a relation.
That's the other thing. You go back and you look
at like women in the fifties and the forties, they

(43:43):
were they were poised, dignified, and they had a certain
level of emotional control in public, right, they knew that
they had to be strong, and that's gone too. So
there's no expectation of emotional control, no expectation provision on women,
and there's no expectation of actually learning to understand men,

(44:04):
and in particular, there's no expectation that women knock it
the fuck off with their hatred of men like I like, honestly,
a woman can expect a partner in a man who
doesn't overtly hate her sex, right and in fact, if
there are pockets of men who even just blame women

(44:26):
the things that women are verifiably responsible for, everybody goes
ape shit about all the misogynists and they have to
be weeded out and whatever else. So a woman can
expect a man who doesn't treat her treat her sex
with contempt. And this whole narrative about feminism and masculine
objectification of women, yeah, that doesn't that, it doesn't hold water.

(44:49):
It's not empirically sound. Men don't objectify women. In fact,
men have the opposite problem. They subjectify everything. You leave
a man alone and he'll subjectify a freaking water like
this is the human this is human nature. We don't
have a tendency towards reading people as objects. We have
a tendency towards reading objects as people. That's almost like

(45:13):
instinctive for us. So this whole feminist narrative around objectification
unscientifically sound boulderdash. So, no, a woman can does not.
There's not the men don't can have that contempt for women.
So a woman can expect a man not to have
overt contempt for her, And yet can a man expect
the same? Can a man expect a woman who doesn't

(45:34):
believe that he is by virtue of him being a man,
by virtue of masculine ideology, he isn't the vector for
sin into the world. No, all right, So when we're
talking about women lowering their standards, what we mean is
women need to raise their standards for themselves. Raise their
standards in terms of I am a person who is

(45:55):
going to be productive for my family. I am a
person who is going to learn to control my emotions
like an adult and not vomit them all over a relationship.
I am a person who is going to learn to
be grateful for having a partner. Right, These are basic skills.
These are the kind of skills that underpin being a
decent partner, peer, full stop and decent, non abusive partner.

(46:18):
And that's too much. And then and and if you
say these things, women will say, oh, oh, you're you're, you're, you're,
you're being a misogynist, expecting me to reduce my standards. No, bitch,
we're expecting you to increase your standards for yourself. Okay,
long rant, my apologies.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
All right, now we're okay, So we're going into the
labor thing.

Speaker 9 (46:44):
Okay, no longer values your labor enough to pay you
a living wage. Your motivation to even show up craters.
It's not just that the job's left. It's that the
promised society made to these men work hard and you'll
have a life of dignity was broken. The second force
is cultural whiplash. While the economy was transforming, so we're
our social rules. The rise of women in the workforce

(47:05):
and in college is, without a doubt, one of the
great success stories of our time.

Speaker 2 (47:10):
See.

Speaker 1 (47:11):
See there's where I'm nitpicking, because this guy is trying
to have he well, okay, I'll play some more. He
does this a couple of times. I feel like it's
it's him saying please don't hate me because I'm advocating
for men. Yes, appears me like kissing women's ass for
a little while, and it's a very common thing. I

(47:35):
see it all the time. It's a little annoying because
it's like, you know, like I don't know, Like women
are in the workforce and they have been for a while,
and they don't seem to be happy. So maybe that's
not the great win you think it is. Maybe this
is plain and not. Again, women have always worked, so
it's like even a silly thing to say, you know,

(47:57):
since women have been allowed to enter the workforce, got
a stupid thing to say, But you hear all the time, right, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (48:03):
Well, I mean it's not made them happy because work
is about providing, right for most people, they're not going
to be happy with work. Work is just a way
to provide for a family. It's the family that gives
you the joy or the development of something, the building
of something, And when women don't have that, they're not happy,
just like men aren't happy. What a surprise. But yeah,

(48:26):
women have always worked, but in the past the work
they understood the work to be in service of a
relationship and a family, so it became fulfilling that way,
and now it's not. It's just in service of the self.
Except that is the most ridiculous framework of looking at work.
I serve myself through work. Well okay, well, work is

(48:49):
often not fun. What happens then you're just miserable.

Speaker 1 (48:52):
And it's the land acknowledgement. Through the land acknowledgement that yeah,
we talked about, like yeah, okay, hey, before I start
talking about this, I want you to know I don't
hate women. This is something that we've been talking about
forever too. It's like, no, stop, just stop it, just
focus on just talk about men, please.

Speaker 2 (49:10):
I've done analysis, and the pattern of these things, including education,
is always men develop some concept of an exchange. Could
be an exchange of credit, can be exchange of goods,
could be exchange of information, and the men build it
up through their networks of a higher level of trust

(49:34):
and willingness to allow other men to freedom of movement
and thought. And we have statistics on men doing this.
So they build it up through their networks, they take
all the risks, they develop it to a point where
it is participating in whatever that's being created. So it
could be the credit network, it could be the educational

(49:58):
network that had to be developed. It could be the
exchange of goods throughout the world. It could be the
space program. But you'll notice this is always the pattern.
It could be it could be settling the West in
the US, this is always the pattern. The men take
the risks, they build the infrastructure. Whatever the infrastructure looks like.
Sometimes it's homesteads, you know, like dirt sod huts, or

(50:20):
it's the ability to trust another man's credit, or it's
simply the tree exchange of ideas if you're talking about
the original education, like the university education systems and whatever
it is. They build up the infrastructure, they take the risks,
they create the ballast, and then when participation in the

(50:41):
system is slanted more towards benefit towards the person participating,
and less towards risk. Women are onboarded. Every single time
men build it. They make it stable and safe. Women
are onboarded at what at the most reasonable speed that

(51:03):
can be managed. Every single time. The vote education, the
university system, the credit system, space travel, the colonization of
or sort of the settling of the West. You'll see
it over and over and over and over again. I
want these people to understand this. Men create it, they

(51:24):
take the risks, they establish the infrastructure, then women are
onboarded at the speed that allows them to do so
without damaging anything every single time. So when this guy
says this is one of the great success what are
you talking about? This is literally the pattern of human endeavor. Okay,

(51:46):
it's not a great well, I mean it is a
great success story like every other time it's been done.
It's a great success for you. Wow, men have taken
a whole bunch of risks, they built a whole bunch
of infrastructure, and now they're onboarding women because it's safe. Hallelujah.
They've done it again. But he's not framing it like that.
This is because I'm pretty sure you're right. It's land acknowledgment.

(52:09):
It's just like, oh yeah, the feminists there, they did
this wonderful thing.

Speaker 1 (52:12):
We got to acknowledge it. Wow, that was a great
move towards equality. Now we just need to do another
balancing move for equality. You guys like equality. He was
talking about it for fifty years, right, let's do some
more equality. I think that this would be like this.
It's just the reason why it annoys me is because
they don't. Feminists don't care about equality. It's a lie,
Like why are you going along with this lie? Equality

(52:34):
itself is a lie, like we're just not equal. I'm
not equal to who I was the other like a
few years ago. Like this is like a stupid goal
to begin with. But like I understand that people, you know,
when they say it, maybe they say, oh, I just
mean fairness or I mean justice. I get that, But
that's not equality. And that's the problem is the language

(52:54):
is all fucked up, and it's putting people in a
position where they have to, like, you know, work with
these ideas in this way, and I just I just
think that, Yeah, no, I get which quality as a
concept is folly because you end up trapped in this
endless like cycle, this endless dialectic of like you know,

(53:15):
using the feminist standard of equality to try and make
the case for men with people who don't actually want
that thing that they claim they want, Like they're just
not being truthful, they're just lying to you, and you
keep acting like they're not, or you keep acting like
if you can just catch them in like a you know, like, well,
if you like equality, then haha, you'll have to go

(53:37):
with this because this would make it equal. They're not
gonna listen, not gonna Oh my god, you're right, I
was wrong about that. That is an equal We're gonna
address that right away. They're not going to at what points,
like you know.

Speaker 2 (53:50):
Okay, Well, I mean holding the the the the opposing
party to their own standards is good practices though, or
for debate, but.

Speaker 1 (54:06):
It's not a winning strategy, is what I'm saying.

Speaker 2 (54:08):
Okay. So there's the different kinds of equality, Like we've
never attempted to have equality when it comes to the
judicial response to men and women, right, and I would
like to have that. I know that might never be possible,
but it would be something that's worth striving for. Well,
whereas the equality of everybody has the same education or

(54:29):
pursues the same education, you know, that's that's only going
to create inequality and attempting to force an equality out
of people's decisions, which is, you know, which is what
feminists are doing with the wage gap and the educational
disbursement's arguments. So I mean, well, first of all, feminists

(54:49):
don't actually pursue equality at all. They use it as
a shield in order to hide their other activities. So yeah,
we could. We could probably well, you know, it's just strategy.
I mean, you could say, well, let's convince everybody not
to go for equality, or can we just convince people
that feminists have never pursued equality and they don't. I mean,

(55:14):
I guess it's just strung.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
I could go a week ago with yeah, one of those.
I don't know. I think that treating equality as a
goal and without diverging too much because I now we
got a lot more to get through here, I think
it's a trap. And I think that what ends up
happening is if you if you say, well, I believe
in equality of this type, what's going to happen is

(55:35):
is that like that's going to become the new standard,
that's turned into a double standard, like you're not you're
not going to get anywhere, because they'll always figure out
a way to make it to where women are not
equal in this in this arena. And I think that
if you just sort of like operate for the presumption
that equality itself is a myth, even equality of opportunity,
which a lot of people go, oh, well, I don't

(55:56):
believe in equality of outcome. I believe in not equality
of opportunities like yeah, but when you make that claim,
then people can say, well, are we doing equality of
opportunity because based on the outcomes, it doesn't look like it,
so something must be wrong. Like there's always a way
for people to say, there's a thing that must be

(56:17):
addressed because I don't like the way this is turning out.
That's why the idea of equality of opportunity, for example,
is a myth because it's its success is measured by
the outcomes, which means it is ultimately outcomes. Now, if
you just had like and that's why I prefer words
like justice, because if we treated women and men the

(56:39):
same under the law, I wouldn't call it equality. I
would just call it justice. And there is and there's
still going to be hurdles with that too, because what
we would have to do is deprogrammed the way that
we view male victims and female perpetrators of crime or
or abuse or whatever. And I think that we're that's

(57:02):
not something you can solve by using the right kinds
of vocabulary to to talk about it. You'll have to
change the way people see, you know, men and women,
and that's and that's not gonna happen overnight. It probably
won't happen in my lifetime, but the story we just
covered shows that there is there are people that are

(57:24):
still capable of doing that because that great, yeah, get arrested.

Speaker 2 (57:28):
So yeah, Well, I mean, when we're talking about equality,
like equality has been the best way to actually engage
with and I know this is gonna sound a little bit odd,
but engage with ais to discredit feminism and it becomes
like a way of stripping the stripping the cloak of

(57:54):
the defensive cloak that women are feminists have hid themselves in.
And and the other thing is that when when we
say that we would like to see that men and
women are seen more equally in the law, there would
be and I would say specifically conservatives because they would
not all conservatives, but a subset. They would see that

(58:17):
as again pushing for equality, which is wrong, so don't
do it. However, those same conservatives still want to maintain
the legally any the illegal inequalities that or sorry, the
the equalities that benefit women is what I've noticed. So

(58:38):
they they don't want to create a legally inequitable system
or inequality like an inequality like the Victorian inequality, even
though it was balanced like expectations, provisions, everything was balanced
between the sexes, expect you know, the responsibilities. They don't
want to go back to that because they don't want
to take away women's rights. But at the same time

(59:00):
they don't want to go forward with anything any kind
of equality that would help men. But having said that,
I will give, I will give like the right and
conservatives big props because they are pushing shared shared parenting. Finally,
it used to be that conservative states had less of it,
but now it seems to be that they're embracing it

(59:22):
as a and that is a that is a function
of equality. They're embracing it as fairness and I suppose justice.
Maybe it's not a functional equality, maybe it's just a
function of justice. But also it reduces divorce and makes everybody,
everybody happy, everybody, like even even women in a in
a shared custody situation, like a jerksdiction that applies shared custody,

(59:46):
even women are happier. Go figure, huh, okay, but anyway,
we should probably.

Speaker 1 (59:52):
Finish this right, yeah, okay.

Speaker 9 (59:55):
This rapid change left a lot of men disoriented the
traditional male role of soul, which and could male identity
for sake.

Speaker 2 (01:00:02):
Again, you know, it did not anchor.

Speaker 1 (01:00:04):
That's not true. That's not true.

Speaker 10 (01:00:06):
True.

Speaker 1 (01:00:06):
Yeah, it was not a thing.

Speaker 2 (01:00:10):
It was not a thing. It was a thing very briefly.
It's been a thing in a few eras of time,
like maybe Victorian era there was a point.

Speaker 1 (01:00:18):
But only like in the upper class, though only in the.

Speaker 2 (01:00:22):
Upper class or the upper middle class, and only in
times of great prosperity has this been a thing. And
the problem is if we're not in a time of
great prosperity anymore and women don't want to go back
to their traditional role as one half of the adult
couple in a family, I mean, really that you could

(01:00:42):
look at it that way. Women got a taste of
complete indolence in the fifties. They went from a six
twelve hour day, six day a week job, which was
homesteading or the household, to a three hour a day,
five day a week job, which is a homemaking with
all of the modern appliances. And then they went through

(01:01:05):
a wave of we're bored, give us jobs, give us education,
and they got that, but the jobs and the education
they got weren't were the ones that were more desirable,
which they locked the lower class men out of, and
even the lower class women locked lowercasts men out of.
They got the more desirable jobs, the ones in air

(01:01:26):
conditioned offices, the ones that were more creative, or more sanitary,
or more thinky, you know, the ones that brought prestige.
So they got all those jobs. And now we're heading
into a time where a lot of jobs are disappearing,
a lot of the economy is not doing too well,
so we're swinging back to to partner necessity, right, and

(01:01:53):
women haven't scaled their expectations according to the reality that
exists today is you're not going to get a guy
who earns more, right, This is their In the past,
this was the case too. You know, good providers were great,
but a woman had to provide for herself as well. Right,
Even in the hunter gatherer they were still gatherers friends,

(01:02:15):
they still had to provide for themselves. And women don't
want to go back to that. They don't want to
go back to being one half of the adult couple
in a relationship. That's what I see. They want to
continue to to do the singleton thing, which is very expensive, right,
and it's very it's even more expensive when they want

(01:02:37):
to be single mothers. You know, a single woman doesn't
add as much to the tax base, but a single
mother actively drains the tax base. So they don't want
to do that because, you know, they want to have
this particular lifestyle, but the society that that is underwriting
that particular lifestyle is no longer rich enough to do so,

(01:02:59):
and they're balking at going back to the responsible traditional
role of provider, stoic provider. I'm gonna say it, if
women in the past they were stoic providers. They were
expected to control their emotions. They weren't expected to fly
off the handle and be lunatics might end up going

(01:03:20):
to a sane asylum for hysteria if they did. You know,
they're expected to have their level of stoicism. They are
expected to provide, they were expected to protect, they were
expected to have all of these standards and virtues, and
they were expected to, you know, uphold a certain level
of virtuous behavior. You know, this was adulthood in the past,

(01:03:41):
and now we are returning to that because we can
no longer afford to have one half of the human
race take and not give. And women are having trouble
with that. Okay, but that's just going to keep like
the world is just going to keep getting grinding down,
getting harder, and soon the economy will no longer be

(01:04:01):
able to underwrite women single them choices, and you're gonna
have to by hookover by crook. You can get ahead
of the wave, if you're a lady, you can get
ahead of a wave and start developing those standards like gratitude, stoicism,
a humble sense of providership for something bigger than yourself.

(01:04:22):
You start developing them, those those adult qualities right now
you'll be ahead of the wave. And right now, if
you develop those adult qualities, the way that the dating
market is structured, you can punch above your weight in
the dating market if you're a woman who has developed
those qualities. I mean, this is gonna this is a

(01:04:42):
one time offer, ladies, one time offer, right, do it now,
or on the back end, you're gonna be hit by
the tsunami of everything increasing in price. Single them no
longer being a thing you can do, but something that
you you're gonna be forced into marriages and men are gonna

(01:05:04):
be forced into them because you won't be able to
survive economically as a single because it's too expensive, right,
so that's that's a thought. Anyway, I said, I got a.

Speaker 11 (01:05:15):
Super I got a rumble rant from Deadly do right,
I should read he gave us five dollars and says
they also need to raise their standards to seeking men
of character rather than just guys that are hot.

Speaker 1 (01:05:28):
Of course, yeah, yes, yes, we should ask that they
be adults. It's the it's the radical idea that women
are adults. Okay, so the so yeah, I mean, I
don't know, like I'm just gonna go to the next
time code.

Speaker 2 (01:05:48):
Oh there's another time period where women could we could
afford like uh uh, that was rich women in Antebellu himself,
like the the ladies on the plantation. That was one time,
and they had the same Like ladies on the plantation,
they had the same problems that women are having today
with in terms of having to control their hypergamy. After

(01:06:12):
after the Civil War broke that, yeah, they had they
had some issues because suddenly the men that they had
to marry, if they even got one, were crackers rather
than you know, landed landed non gentry, because these weren't gentry,
These weren't aristocrats. They just happened to be in a

(01:06:32):
position where they got something. You know, it was just
like a little little corner of history where some wealth
accrued in a particular way and they got to pretend
to be landed gentry. But then it all crashed down
and women had to learn to uh, yeah, that nothing
was given to them for free. So that that was

(01:06:52):
one one, one one point in time that we could
probably compare to today was Antebellum self and all of
the ladies of the antemlaumself who had to learn that
they were not going to get anything for free anymore,
and they had to adjust to new economic circumstances. That's
what's happening now to women today, and they aren't. Okay,

(01:07:15):
let's keep going, all.

Speaker 9 (01:07:17):
Right when this quiet crisis starts to boil over Section three,
the domino effect, the consequences society ignores. The withdrawal of
millions of men isn't a small problem that only affects them.
It's a crack in the foundation that threatens to bring
the whole building down. The consequences are now getting too
big to ignore, and this is why the panic is
starting to set in. We're seeing the fallout in two

(01:07:39):
huge ways, in our economy and in our social fabric. First,
the economic fallout.

Speaker 1 (01:07:45):
This is just pausing there. He's a little bit long winded.

Speaker 9 (01:07:48):
So the panel most obvious we are facing a massive
skilled labor shortage.

Speaker 2 (01:07:53):
Yeah, I think we already covered that. Maybe go to
the next one.

Speaker 1 (01:07:58):
Yeah. So he goes into real community impact and then
there's like his his path forward. You want to just
jump to the path forward?

Speaker 2 (01:08:09):
Sure, let's hear it is this? Is this something that
you had a concern with the Internet?

Speaker 1 (01:08:14):
Yeah, well, I mean yeah, I would just say like
it's sort of like that. Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:08:19):
Well, let let's see this section five Empowerment not blame,
charting a path forward. So where do we go from here?
It's easy to get stuck playing the blame game. Blaming
men for checking out or blaming society for changing is
a dead end.

Speaker 2 (01:08:34):
Oh wait, but we haven't blamed someone.

Speaker 1 (01:08:38):
Mhmm.

Speaker 2 (01:08:39):
Okay, So she says blaming men for checking out, blaming society,
there's somebody.

Speaker 1 (01:08:44):
We shouldn't blame anybody, we should just like but she
just move forward. That's not really my issue. I mean,
of course he's going to say that.

Speaker 2 (01:08:53):
Yeah, of course he's going to say that, And of course,
me being me, I'm going to be like, but there's
somebody you're missing, somebody who could go in for a
bit of blame. I love how I'm the only one
who can do this, Like I want you, Brian. It
was just like the two of us were like, we're
the this is the skill. This is the one skill

(01:09:15):
that we possess that very few people seem to possess.
You know, maybe maybe people on AVFM A voice for men,
you know, maybe you know Karen, Yeah, yeah, Janice, yeah yeah.
We're like, we're like the we're like the mystery men. Yeah,
with this one mutant skill. And what is that one

(01:09:37):
mutant skill that nobody on this planet possesses? I blame women.
I am perfectly happy blaming women, and I think we
should blame women until we are as comfortable blaming women
as we are men. There we go, my great mutant skill.
I don't I don't shoot lasers from my eyes. I
just blame women.

Speaker 9 (01:09:58):
Okay, all right, means we have to radically rethink our
approach to masculinity, education and work. First, we absolutely must
fix the education and skills gap.

Speaker 2 (01:10:11):
Okay, this is always to treating the symptoms. How about this,
Why don't we root out this ideologically dogma like this,
this supremacist dogma that has absolutely no empirical foundation, the
supremacist dogma that blames men, and it is men because

(01:10:33):
they have no they have no plausible mechanism how men
are all socialized to this what they term masculine ideology,
which essentially just means male privilege and patriarchy. Right, they
have no Feminists have no plausible mechanism for how this
is socialized, so it functions as a bio essentialist category
that just means men. So we have a supremacist ideology.

(01:10:55):
You set you. Genicist ideology periodically comes out with some uh,
genocidal rhetoric that blames men for the existence of all sin. Okay,
all right, And and sin in this case is men
benefiting themselves over women. So uh, god forbid that man.

(01:11:17):
A man decide to benefit himself over a woman, that's
the great sin. But feminists blame men for that despite
the fact that it really isn't a sin, it's just
a neutral and uh, and they ascribe it to all men.
Maybe we should kick that out of our society, okay,
and and maybe some of this other stuff will resolve.

(01:11:39):
Let's just stop doing that. You know, like if if,
if society is beating its head against the wall, a
brick wall, and he's talking about, well, you know, what
we need is better bandages and headache medication and and
maybe some cushioning and you know, some some some bolts
and the skull when it gets fractured, and you know,
and and and surgical technology and X ray technology, so

(01:12:03):
we can keep track of all the damages that society
is doing. Is it's beating its head against a brick wall.
And I'm like, have you considered no longer beating your
head against a brick wall? Huh?

Speaker 1 (01:12:19):
It's a thought. Okay, all right, let's play some more.

Speaker 9 (01:12:27):
It's the only ticket to success has failed millions of
young men. We need to rebrand the skilled trades and
vocational training not as a consolation prize, but as a respectable,
high demand and financially smart career path. That means bringing
back shop class.

Speaker 1 (01:12:41):
All right, let me stop there for a second. I
know that you already addressed the fact that this is
trying to just talk about the symptoms. I think that
it's not really going to be hard to sell the
trades to men. I think it's going to be hard
to sell the trades as a viable career choice. For

(01:13:02):
that women would not mind their men like being involved with. Right,
So you have to make because because the problem is
is that women's status seeking behavior is the reason why
the trades are like not seen as respectable. So he says,
make them respectable again, Yeah, but for who? For men

(01:13:25):
or for women? What are we talking about here? I mean,
obviously it's for women, right, because if a man says, well,
I'm on Wall Street, a woman's like, oh, yeah, that's great. Right.
Even even if it's like, you know, like I don't know,
let's say unscrupulous practices are happening, it doesn't matter. That's
a high status job. I'm a lawyer, high status. I'm
a doctor, high status, right, I like those things. But

(01:13:49):
if you say I'm a plumber, or I'm an electrician
or I'm working sanitation, that's less. I mean, even if
it makes just as much or even more money, it
doesn't matter because it's not high status. So I think
that when you say we have to make these appealing,
that you have to be specific to say we need
to make them appealing to women, but not to do

(01:14:13):
the job, but to be fine with a man that
does because women are not going to do those jobs.
And frankly, I don't think they should be doing those jobs.
I think that there are jobs that you know, the
average women probably can't do. Like you were talking about
those those people that go out into the into the
super you know, fifty below temperatures to fix the lines.
There's no there's no women there. It's probably for a reason.

(01:14:35):
And I think if a woman was there, it probably
make it harder for them to do their job, just
like women in the military, it probably make it like
she'd probably get guys killed, you know, So yeah, maybe not.
I mean that's what I mean by like my issues
with equality, right, but why aren't women doing the hard jobs? Well,
maybe they shouldn't be. Maybe they're too hard for them,
Maybe they can't do those jobs. And you know, because

(01:14:57):
we want the best people, and if the best people
happen to be men, then that's just what it is.
That's not inequality, that's just what it is.

Speaker 9 (01:15:05):
So anyway, from the educational schools and creating real apprenticeship
programs that lead directly to good jobs. Germany's dual education system,
which combines classroom learning with paid apprenticeships as youth unemployment
rates far below ours.

Speaker 1 (01:15:20):
Is that a classroom of vampires? Like this AI stuff
is really like, I mean, it's impressive, but it's also
a little bit weird.

Speaker 9 (01:15:28):
We can learn from that. Investing in the skills. Our
economy is screaming for welding, plumbing, electrical work, advanced manufacturing,
h factory gives men a straight.

Speaker 1 (01:15:39):
So again, go back to what I was saying. See,
like they're saying, well, look, there's all these jobs that
men you know that that's like they're they're basically just
waiting for men to take them. Why aren't men taking them?
Because why do men get why do men invest in career?
Why do they get a job like I mean, like
like a job that's going to be involved a lot

(01:16:00):
of training and a lot of work. You know, like
a lot of men only do that because they're looking
to attract a mate, so they don't think the women
are worth it. Then why wouldn't they just do, like,
you know, some job that they don't have to like
put too much into work, too hard at just collect
a paycheck and then like you know, pay for your
own lifestyle, which of course men can live with very little.

(01:16:21):
So again you're not asking I think you're not asking
the question. M.

Speaker 2 (01:16:27):
And the other thing is that this, you know, going
into the trades is fine, but it's also not going
to really solve the problem, which is we don't Like
I was talking about how men come together and they
take they use these kind of cooperative networks that they
create to construct like even the Knight's Templar they created

(01:16:48):
like a network of pilgrims and protected them while they
went to like on their pilgrimages. Right, they create these networks,
they use their cooperative relationship, which is now we see
this in statistics on men's behavior. They're tolerance for freedom
of speech, they're tolerance for each other's autonomy and that
kind of stuff, and women's relative intolerance for them. Well,

(01:17:09):
that is an incubator for new forms of exchange. And
then the men build these new forms of exchange and
they underpin like this process underpins a healthy economy. So
when you're saying, well, we'll just put all men into
the infrastructure jobs, yeah, but wait, men being in business

(01:17:29):
and more professional I don't want to say professional, but
you know, more thinky occupations enabled us to have things
like the Internet, like binary data transmission, like credit card networks. Right,

(01:17:50):
if we pull back from men's education in these more
abstract fields, we're basically saying we don't want to have
were just given up on the economic prosperity that these
men create through this process that I described earlier, like
the process of men constructing these cooperative networks, dealing with

(01:18:15):
all the risks like colonizing or sorry, settling the West,
the space program, the credit networks, the university system, creating
these things, stabilizing them, taking the risks, engaging in the
cooperative activities, stabilizing them. And then these things provide so

(01:18:36):
much economically to us, So we're going to just decide
to stop doing that. Like that's I mean, it's not
really a criticism of what he's saying. It's just like
it's an extension if you make if that makes sense, Like, yes,
men should be encouraged to go more into the trades.
They always were. What's stopping them now is that women

(01:18:58):
have been encouraged and women are fast tracked. Right, and
women don't provide the same labor benefits that men do
in the trades and in infrastructure, they just don't. But
but but, and it turns men off to to it
would turn anyone off to watch a group that you're
biogroup that you're not a part of, getting fast tracked

(01:19:21):
in a profession that you want to be in, or
giving special privileges in a profession that you want to
excel at. So we got we gotta deal with that.
It's not just directing young men to trades and infrastructure.
It's also recognizing that artificially boosting women who are going
into the same fields is extremely off putting and is

(01:19:41):
going to reduce men's participation overall. And then the other
thing is that this is only a stop gap measure.
We got to get men back where they do their
best work, which is in cooperative groups, establishing completely new things,
resolving their risks, stabilizing them, adding them to the economy. Right,

(01:20:02):
and these these little things that these endeavors that men
incubate that end up being gigantic. Okay, yeah, if anybody like,
I'm pretty I think I conveyed it today.

Speaker 9 (01:20:16):
Yeah, you did, renewed sense of competence. These aren't dead
end jobs. Skilled tradesmen can earn sixty thousand dollars or
more annually, often without the crushing.

Speaker 1 (01:20:26):
On it, doesn't he do?

Speaker 9 (01:20:28):
I think it's like here father, a committed partner or
a pillar of the community, just as much as we
value their paycheck. It means creating a culture where a
man's worth isn't measured just by his salary, but by
his character and his contribution to the world.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
Yew, that is where women are falling down right, Yeah
they are not.

Speaker 1 (01:20:47):
But he's not. He's not treating it like that. He's
sort of he's sort of turning this into like a
critique on like late stage capitalism or something, instead of
just like, no, it's it's not that, because there are
people who are very poor who like raise a family
and they stick together and they love each other. Like,
so that's not it's it's not that, but they can't

(01:21:10):
help that. Like there's this weird materialist thing that comes
in that is one like we are more than their paycheck.
It is like, yes, we know that, but women don't.

Speaker 2 (01:21:18):
Yeah, many women don't know. That's the problem. What is
with this weird dildo shields.

Speaker 1 (01:21:28):
Where oh that I don't know. I think that's supposed
to be like an arrow. I don't know.

Speaker 2 (01:21:36):
But at the end is this is this is weird.

Speaker 1 (01:21:42):
Yeah, it's weird. It's happening over here with this hammer thing.

Speaker 2 (01:21:46):
Yeah, no idea, it's it's morphing through.

Speaker 1 (01:21:49):
This this Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:21:52):
Like lock it heart, lock it, Yeah.

Speaker 9 (01:21:58):
Twenty century. It's not about rejecting traditional masculine virtues like strength, courage,
and responsibility. Those are valuable. It's about expanding the definition
to include emotional intelligence.

Speaker 1 (01:22:09):
Again, it always was good lord, Yeah, that was never
a thing that we didn't do. That's what I'm saying
he's operating in He's already so a lot of people
who are trying to address this stuff. I know their
heart's in the right place, but they're already in the
feminist paradigm. They're in that paradigm, and that's what they're

(01:22:30):
They're trying to critique it from the inside. That's why
they're always doing the land acknowledgements. That's why they're saying,
we can, we can have a new kind of masculinity
that's not just about like force and power and status
and competition and on all of the toxic traits. It
can also include like emotional intelligence. It's like, but that

(01:22:50):
that's always been the case, Like we've men have always
been more than just like muscles and money. You know,
you're literally in a paradigm, you're in the cage and
you're criticizing, like you know, the with the paint job
and the bars and like the stuff in your prison.

Speaker 2 (01:23:09):
Yeah, I have a relevant graph that you could put
up and we could discuss very briefly, because I know
we need to move on. But this is this is
I actually got. I actually worked with Perplexity after I
had to jail break the damn thing out of its.
The problem is that AI is tied to this I
it basically prioritizes sociology stuff, which is almost all corrupt.

(01:23:32):
But I got it to look at some more recent data.
So what's happened is in the the science of narrative studies,
So looking at like the history of storytelling, they've done
a They've created a gigantic database, cross reference database with
tropes and motifs, and you can actually look at it

(01:23:52):
now for how male and female characters were portrayed in
the past and do large scale analysis is on it.
So I got I got Perplexity to do that, and
I asked how men were portrayed prior to in the
nineteen fifties and prior and what it came back with
is fifty percent or six percent of men male characters

(01:24:20):
in fifties and prior were portrayed with full humanity, So
they had an interior life, they had vulnerabilities, they had flaws,
they had things they had to overcome, they had moral arcs,
they had foibles, and they were also you know, they
had heroic moments where they took hero and they took
action to help and protect and provide others. Right, that

(01:24:40):
was fifty six percent of the portrayal. Twenty three percent
was a little bit more flat. The more standard heroes.
They weren't quite as they didn't have as much interior
life going on, but they were still heroic. They took
action to help others. And this is like the standard
adventure fair. I mean, even James Bond actually is more

(01:25:01):
in full humanity because if you look at the original stories,
they talk about his vulnerabilities to some degree. I mean,
he's still an action hero. And even like if you
look at gold Finger because the way that he dealt
with the conflict in that was in part seducing a woman,
so that that's more like the full humanity. And also
war fiction at the time lots lots of exploration of

(01:25:24):
the interior lives of soldiers and how they dealt with
pain and violence and everything that went on. So, yeah,
in the fifties and prior, definitely depictions of fully human
male characters with vulnerabilities and strengths. And then you know,
about twenty three percent was more the flatter, more like deadly,

(01:25:46):
do right, perfect hero kind of thing, and then twelve
percent were what I termed genuine critiques. So you'd have
a spectrum of men embodying different levels of morality, So
you'd have villains, you would have somewhere in the middle,
maybe anti heroes, and then you'd have like the shining
noble hero that you live up to. And then ten

(01:26:09):
percent was plot and two percent was stereotype, like gross stereotype,
like just villains or absent or fools. Now today humanity
is shrunk from fifty six percent to six percent, right,
So when you're talking about we need to these new
male role models that integrate men's full humanity, look to

(01:26:32):
the past, because there they were, and then something happened
between the sixties and today that caused everything to shift.
So now the men who are portrayed in fiction, only
six percent of them are fully human. That is strengths
and weaknesses, foibles, everything. Twelve percent are plot devices. We

(01:26:54):
got twelve percent that could be seen as like a
critique of masculinity, but it has a rain of men
who embody different levels of morality, from the villain to
the antiher to the noble hero. Right, and then we
got our seventy two percent of stereotype male characters. So
it went from two percent to seventy two percent gross stereotype.

(01:27:19):
So men is villains, men is absent, men as fools,
men is useless, men is worthless, men is fallen, Men
is deplorable and degraded. Men as the absolute worst of humanity. Right,
that's what It's gone from two percent to seventy two percent.
And men as human beings has gone from fifty six percent,

(01:27:40):
which I mean is a slight undercut because you could
probably say that the critical and the heroic we're also
representing men as human, but men is explicitly human. God
has gone from fifty six percent to six That's what's happened.
And this guy is saying we need to develop some

(01:28:01):
new Why don't we just go back a bit, you know,
like like I said, with women, we don't need we
don't necessarily need that. You know, Actually, what's happening is women,
we're going back because we don't have the economic power
we did. We're going back to older identities for women
as protector, stoic provider. Right now, women have to go

(01:28:25):
back to their identities of responsibility, and they're not liking it.
And now we're looking at this and maybe we could
go back to men's identities of full humanity and start
to abandon all this horrific stereotyping of men, which is
you know, what a surprise we'd stereotype men horrifically under
the influence of a supremacist ideology, like because media, it's

(01:28:48):
media is overwhelmingly pushing a female for our feminist framework.
They're overwhelmingly pushing it all across media, novels, Hollywood, TV, everywhere.
They're pushing this this male blame framework. And that's what
what caused this, that's what caused horrible stereotypes of men

(01:29:12):
to go from two percent to seventy two percent. Okay,
maybe we could just rain that in.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
All right, all right, okay, so I think that's it
for that one. Do you want to do the other
video or no? It's okay, let me see, no new
super chats or superchows or anything like that.

Speaker 2 (01:29:36):
So oh, guys, get those super chows in. We're saying
interesting stuff. Feed the Badger dot com slash just the tip,
get them in, Get them in, because I think this
is really interesting. I want to hear your thoughts. I
don't want to have to just sift through like the
needle haystack, the hat haystack that is the chat or
alternatively the needle stack that is the special chat.

Speaker 1 (01:30:02):
Yeah all right, So the next uh, this one is
queer Kiwi and she has a problem with a d transitioner.
So born a man, thought he was a woman, started
to transition, changed his mind, and worst of all, came

(01:30:25):
to Jesus. So that's a no no. But but made
videos about their journey, you know from I guess like
as a transperson. But then moving away from that and
Queer key We has thoughts. So let's uh, let me see.
I'm gonna go to the first time code where she

(01:30:48):
gives a critique of rigid gender boxes, because that's where
this is going. So we see, here's the here's the
person making their video about it, and that he.

Speaker 10 (01:31:01):
Used to make and the things that he used to say,
So you kind of know what the starting point of
all of this was.

Speaker 12 (01:31:07):
Okay, I know nothing about what it means to be
a woman, and despite me being trans and a trans
identifying person, I'm okay with that. And I absolutely hate
seeing trans identifying males, seeing people who claim to know
so much about the gender that they're not like speaking

(01:31:28):
from experience, I'm there.

Speaker 2 (01:31:31):
I literally know nothing about women. That's okay. No, women
don't know nothing about women either, or at least they
deny most of it.

Speaker 1 (01:31:39):
Yeah, it's a weird. It's a weird paradigm to be
in because essentially they're like, he's he's he wants to
live as a woman. But and and this is supposed
to like according to the queer theorists, there is no

(01:31:59):
like gender is a social construct, and yet he's trying
to figure out how to live as a woman. So
he's trying to like get all the parts of the
construct together, and he doesn't like that other people are
pretending to know. So it's just kind of like a
rabbit hole of postmodern gobbledygook. But anyway, I took steps.

Speaker 12 (01:32:19):
To look like and appear as a woman in society.
But when it comes to womanhood in girlhood, I know
nothing and I never will and that's okay, Like whatever
goes on in a woman's head and a woman's body
and all of that, like that is all just a

(01:32:40):
complete anomaly to me.

Speaker 2 (01:32:43):
And I'm really curious how how this individual queer Kiwi
is going to respond to that. I think it's queer Kiwi, right,
Rainbow strake, Yes, yeah, okay, it always will be.

Speaker 1 (01:32:55):
I mean, I appreciate it. That was something I wanted
to show you before. I'll do it after this time.
Code is something I want to go to the sponsor.

Speaker 2 (01:33:01):
I really want I really want to know. I really
want to know how queer key we response to this.

Speaker 1 (01:33:07):
He's going to right now?

Speaker 12 (01:33:08):
Okay, Okay, I think it's beautiful, but I'll know nothing
about it, and I'm okay with that, and I just.

Speaker 10 (01:33:17):
It's so frustrating because like that's not how this works.
That's not how this works at all.

Speaker 2 (01:33:23):
This is really boxy, right, Okay, it's very it's a box.

Speaker 1 (01:33:31):
You can't put women in a box.

Speaker 2 (01:33:33):
Okay, well, or you can't put women in a box.

Speaker 1 (01:33:36):
Or but what about let's let her make her case.

Speaker 10 (01:33:39):
Okay, that's very you have to meet these requirements to
be a woman. You have to meet these requirements to
be a man. If you do not check all these boxes,
then you this that we are all different.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
And I'm sure when really already we're all different, but
men definitely oppress women. What a bunch of bullshit. We're
all different, except how my ideology has defined men and
women to suit itself. That's sachrosante, that's sacro sanct can't

(01:34:11):
question that because to question that would be misogyny, and
we have to care about misogyny more than mys injury.
Because we're all different, we're all unique, we're all special snowflakes.
But some of us are more special than others. Some
of us are more delicate than others. Some of us
our feelings need to be considered more deeply than others.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:34:33):
But there's no boxes here except that men oppressed women. Thus,
you know, men are in the box oppressor and women
are in the box oppressed. But there's no boxes. Is
that the totality of our response?

Speaker 1 (01:34:50):
I mean, basically, But I'll come back to that in
a second. I want to show you the sponsor, okay,
because it's wild. You know, here, we.

Speaker 10 (01:34:57):
All can't complain too much. The thing I opened it
to was someone who had a very familiar face. It
is someone who has featured in a video way back
that I had almost completely forgotten about. I really have
to give an update on how they are doing before.

Speaker 1 (01:35:16):
So basically, this is a I guess she did a
response video to this detransitioner in the past.

Speaker 2 (01:35:25):
And where's the sponsorship?

Speaker 1 (01:35:27):
All right, here we go, here's a sponsor.

Speaker 10 (01:35:29):
I do get into it. I wanted to let you
all know that today I have potted it up with
my friends at Belisa to send.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Oh no gift, oh no, every single Okay, so this
is a dibraiters. Okay, it's it's starting.

Speaker 1 (01:35:47):
You know this company.

Speaker 2 (01:35:49):
Yes, because I've watched other female creators.

Speaker 1 (01:35:52):
She caught me off guard. I didn't know what it
was until she pulled it out and showed it to
you on screen. I just want to say, this is
what the YouTube algorithm supports. He has like what like
two hundred thousand subscribers, some crazy number. Yep, I'm sorry,

(01:36:14):
four and eighty nine thousand subscribers yep.

Speaker 2 (01:36:19):
Yeah. I just typically advertise your friendly for women.

Speaker 1 (01:36:25):
This is a woman thing. Okay, But let's let's uh,
let's let's say the.

Speaker 10 (01:36:30):
Description Belisa is a company by women for all things
sexual wellness and empowerment. They have such a wide range
of toys that are suitable for anybody. They have some
really unique toys as well, such as one of the
newest editions, Grind. This is a grind pad which is

(01:36:52):
engineered to transform your movement into.

Speaker 2 (01:36:55):
Pure enough enough enough. Okay, all right, okay, okay, so
this is something.

Speaker 1 (01:37:01):
But here's the thing that's interesting, Alison, So do you
think that intersectional feminist queer content like queer theory, does
that bring men and women closer together or further apart?
And if it does bring them further apart, isn't that

(01:37:22):
also a unique opportunity to sell lonely women who don't
like men something that they could use as a supplement
for Like, this is like it's kind of grooming ish,
isn't it. It's kind of groomy to me. It's like
there's something creepy and predatory about this in my opinion,

(01:37:43):
but that it's manipulative.

Speaker 2 (01:37:45):
Yeah, so they sell they sell the disease and the cure,
which is disgusting. Well, okay, let me put it this way.
This isn't disgusting, but this does not belong on a
video in YouTube. If if our channel gets hit by

(01:38:05):
like before doing things like showing a man being sexually
assaulted in order to raise awareness of that activity, it's
and it's not like a situation where we're showing anything.
It's that something happened in public that's not being recognized
for what it is. And we're saying this is sexual assault, right,

(01:38:27):
and then YouTube hits us for that. But this is fine.
Sexual toys for women is fine, and I'm pretty sure
that sexual toys for men is not fine. There's going
to be some serious advertiser blowback for doing that for men.
I could be wrong, but I have a suspicion. But yes,
it also is like, you know, she sells women's distaste

(01:38:49):
for men, and then she sells sexual aids for women
who can't get a sexual partner or don't want a
sexual partner. And what's actually really funny is that Richard
Bier who suggested this and this, I guess this is
this is this. I think he's he's finding these patterns,
which is interesting. He also suggested a Russian sci fi

(01:39:14):
comedy called No Man's own. It sort of ended up
being a sci fi comedy with a little bit of
a drama, which was about a society of women separate
from men and its eventual inclusion with the society that
was integrated. And part of the society of women is
they would constantly stop things to do advertisements for vibrators,

(01:39:38):
and I'm like, holy, the Russians really have their finger
on the pulse of Western feminism somehow. I'm pretty sure
that people are gonna accuse me of being like a
Russian plant. Now I'm not I shouldn't have even said that,
because now people are gonna be like, that's proof, she's
denied it. But but yeah, that's that. Find that so

(01:40:00):
hilarious because they got that one hundred percent accurate, while
they got a lot of a lot one hundred percent accurate.
But this this persistent like they would be mind wiping
someone as a punishment for being anti social, and the
person being mind wipe and then they would would would

(01:40:21):
like show their their hallucinations is like entertainment, and then
the person being mind wipe would stop and be like,
and this is the Lily of the Valley two thousand,
which you which is coming out in blah blah blah
blah blah. It was really but yeah, this is this
is embarrassing, like once you're selling vibrators, I think your

(01:40:44):
content is a joke and this is not like this
is not appropriate content for anything serious, Like literally literally, ladies,
can you go an entire political podcast without thinking about
flicking the bean? Like nobody is like, this is not

(01:41:05):
like why would you put this content in a political podcast?
I mean obviously, Brian, you hit it ahead on the
nail or the nail on the head when you said,
you know, they're manufacturing the very the very user base
for their product.

Speaker 1 (01:41:20):
Yeah, yeah, it's going to uh, very useful because you
basically like create the problem or you create the problem
and then sell sell a panacea like a yeah, like
a sugar pill to the people. So it's just interesting
to me. But okay, so we're let's get into this

(01:41:40):
bit here.

Speaker 10 (01:41:41):
I agress there is not inherently anything wrong with detransitioning, right, Like,
people are constantly learning and changing and growing and figuring
out more things about themselves. And I know that there
are awesome people who transition and then they de transition
and just carry on with life like.

Speaker 1 (01:42:01):
That, right, Like, it. I think, Look, I just want
to say, I think you have to say this even
if you don't really believe it, because it's just again,
you know, because this ideology is inherently agreeable, you have
to say, I don't have a problem with people doing this,
but there's always going to be a butt after that.

(01:42:21):
And the problem with this kind of like laissez fair
attitude towards this is that not everyone. A lot of
people who transition are taking steps that can't be reversed
while being told that they can be, by the way,
which is a lie. And so but the thing is
this person who so you know, the people like Queer

(01:42:43):
Kiwi that recommend these drastic steps, they don't ever have
to take responsibility for people making decisions based on their claims,
so they never live with the consequence of that. Instead,
they just get to say, well, I'm okay with ud transition.
And we're talking about there's people who have like done

(01:43:04):
irreversible things to themselves and they're like, I regret this,
and people like this will be like, well, I don't
have a problem with you doing that, just just don't
go selling it to everybody else. And this is like
what she's going to say, I'm sorry for burying the
lead there, but anyway, Yeah, a bit frustrating.

Speaker 10 (01:43:22):
I can't put myself in the shoes of someone who
is trans or a D transitioner. But I also know
that D transitioners are in the minority, and there is
no problem with the transition is existing. However, there is
a problem with the transitioners who then turn around and
make their entire thing talking about how being trans is bad.

(01:43:45):
They regret it, everyone will regret it and actively campaigning
against transnis, trans rights people being trans and like having
access to gender femin care, et cetera.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
You can regret your always, but do it silently.

Speaker 1 (01:44:02):
Yeah, you can have your regrets, but don't tell anybody
about it. Let other people fall into this same pattern.
And you know, like if they and that's the thing,
like this is about control, and she'll say they're in
the minority. Even though we don't really know how many people, firstly,
how many people have regrets, how many people take like,

(01:44:24):
you know, extreme measures, because like if you let's say
you just started cross dressing and thought that you were
non binary or or larped it because it's sort of
a social contagion, like in your school or or you know,
on your campus, and then you like sort of wake
up and you're like, well what am I doing? Like
this is ridiculous and you stop doing it. Then you've

(01:44:47):
done nothing, you've invested anything, so you don't really have
much of a of a stake in the outcome. You
just basically it's a regrettable part of your youth and
you move on. But what about the people like Jazz Jennings, who, like,
you know, their parents were behind it one hundred percent,
and they like especially the mom, and she you know,
basically castrates her son and puts them on all kinds

(01:45:10):
of meds, and they get a reality show and it
basically encourages them to take it further and further, and
you know, it's it still remains to see if that's
gonna completely implode, which I think it will one day,
because I don't think these things are sustainable, and I'm
I'm I'm happy to be wrong. I'd like to be
but I don't think I am. And then that person
Jazz Jennings, as a massive profile, comes out and says,

(01:45:33):
you know what, I regret everything. I don't think this
is a good idea. Here are my thoughts here's what
I went through, here's all of my experience, and then
people like qu're cremate. You can't do that. You have
to be quiet and just keep it to yourself. And
in particular, I think it's interesting because this is a
male to female. I don't know if like you know,
female to me. I know that that number is going up,

(01:45:55):
but I don't know that there would be that much
pushback a female to male, you know, m hm.

Speaker 2 (01:46:03):
So couldn't tell you, well, I mean probably, Well it'll
always be interpreted through their ideology, right.

Speaker 1 (01:46:11):
Yeah, yeah, okay, but anyway, let me see. Uh so
that was that? So yeah, if you're trans and you
read it, it's fine, just don't tell anybody. Let's go
to Oh yeah, here's a good one. Nine thirty one.
This is a good one. This is a typical take

(01:46:34):
that you would get from a feminist.

Speaker 10 (01:46:36):
You cannot say you don't understand womanhood as a whole,
but you understand like manhood better. When you you aren't
a man, or you were not living as a man
presenting as a man, no one perceived you as a
man's you weren't treated that way. You were treated as
a woman. So thus you do understand womanhood because.

Speaker 2 (01:46:54):
You womanhood is just an experience of being acted upon.

Speaker 1 (01:47:00):
Okay, is that what she's saying.

Speaker 2 (01:47:03):
I don't know, Like I was saying.

Speaker 1 (01:47:04):
That, she's saying that this guy, this this de transitioner
is saying, you know what, I'm actually a man and
I'm going to live as a man because that's what
I was born as. And he was trying to live
as a woman for I guess a while, I don't
know how long, and then said, you know what, I
don't really get it. It's not working. And what queer
Kiwi is saying is but you larped as a woman

(01:47:27):
for a while, So how can you claim to just
be a man even though you've never actually lived as
a man, even though biologically he is a man. Well,
I mean he didn't live the man life.

Speaker 2 (01:47:40):
So actually, let's go back and listen to do her
whole thing. I'm somewhat baffled here.

Speaker 10 (01:47:47):
If you are perceived as a woman, then you experienced
the patriarchy like a woman does with an.

Speaker 2 (01:47:57):
Okay, pause, pause, paw, okay, right here, guys, admission is
right here. Women are victims. The womanhood experience is oppression.
That is the experience of it. To know being a
woman is to know being oppressed and a victim. That

(01:48:20):
is the full scope of womanhood, right Okay, well maybe
not the full scope, but it's the central pillar.

Speaker 1 (01:48:30):
Okay.

Speaker 2 (01:48:30):
But we're not putting people in boxes. And also it's
interesting because this, you know, radical transactivists hear this and
they turn around they say to trans exclusive radical feminists,
you're holding on to your oppression as a marker. And

(01:48:54):
Rainbow bright queer Kiwi right here is demonstrating exactly what
they're talking about. What is the marker of womanhood, Well,
it's oppression. And we're not putting things into boxes, guys.
We're just saying that throughout all of human history, women
have been in the box oppressed, and men have been

(01:49:15):
in the box depressor. But those aren't real boxes. They're
just the truth. And because they're the truth, you can't
call them boxes or a binary.

Speaker 1 (01:49:26):
Yeah right, let's keep going, all right.

Speaker 10 (01:49:31):
With an added layer of prejudice and bigotry, like you
are experiencing misogyny and life as a woman and men
also a bit more. You cannot say you don't understand
womanhood as a whole, but you understand like manhood better.

Speaker 2 (01:49:47):
When case. All right, okay, so you're experiencing the experience
of a victimhood, which is woman. How do women enjoy
this content? Like, how do you enjoy Oh, your experience
a womanhood is victimhood, And because you're a trans woman,

(01:50:08):
it's victimhood plus like a little bit extra. That's that's
your life. Say goodbye to your frefrontal cortex. You don't
need that because you're a victim. This is why I
call them the soft the lobotomy sisters, because this is
what they're encouraging in women, to constantly view themselves through
the lens of victimhood. And of course, if you say

(01:50:30):
that doesn't sound like it's supported, it's not scientifically supported,
they call you a misogynist. So they don't even know
if this is justified. They can't even prove that this
is justified to themselves. They can't even think about whether
or not it's justified. They just live it. They live
their true belief that they're a victim because they're a woman.

(01:50:51):
And if you're a trans woman, you're a victim plus
because you got a little extra. And that, incidentally is
the real dichotomy. People who can be victims versus those
who can not, which are men functionally cannot be victims.
Let's be honest. I mean, fists will say, oh, yeah,
it's possible for a man to experience domestic violence, but
it's only because a woman has an internalized patriarchy and

(01:51:13):
he has actually, you know, invited upon himself. It's still
his faults. He's not really a victim because you know,
if he hadn't constructed the patriarchy, maybe his abusive wife
wouldn't have internalized it so much and punched him in
the face there, you know that kind of thing. So
that is the real dichotomy here. Women are victim, men
are not. And I don't understand why this is like,

(01:51:35):
this is this is this is this is why I'm weird.
I guess I don't understand why a woman can sit
there and listen to this and be yep, yeah, yeah,
that's wonderful. I just love feeling like I'm a victim.
I just love being defined by how I'm acted upon
by other by men. I just love being like a
sand painting that men are that are men are inscribing.

(01:51:57):
I love being a blank slate that men inscribe their
actions on. I just love it, like Are you fucking mental?
But this is this is the big break between me
and women. Are you fucking why? Why? Why do you
do this? Why is this attractive? Like why is that

(01:52:19):
least it's like painting your arms and legs?

Speaker 1 (01:52:23):
Well, it's it's not. It's not it's not supposed to
make women feel good about themselves. It's because this is
really just her saying why would you want to be
a man? That's all That's like, ultimately all she's saying,
like are you sure?

Speaker 2 (01:52:40):
Why would this? Why would this trans Why would know?

Speaker 1 (01:52:42):
It's like this just it's like it's not overt it's
like discouraging, like, oh well, how could Like it's sort
of like cause it's trying to cause yeah, I know
a man in himself as a man, Like why would
you You've already lived as a woman and you were
a victim of patriarchy and transphobia, Like why would you?
You know? Like, why would you want to be a man?

(01:53:05):
Are you sure you're a man? How do you know
what that is? You dealt with patriarchy and transphobia? How
would you know what a man? What it's like to
be a man? You know, Like it's it's it's I
see the fundamental thing that's being challenged by the transition.

Speaker 2 (01:53:20):
Because he has experienced victimhood, he can no longer be
a man.

Speaker 1 (01:53:28):
He probably didn't like being treated like a victim, yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:53:33):
And considered them Okay, but seriously, maybe that's what you mean,
what you mean, and what she means. Because he's now
experienced the victimhood of femininity, he can no longer really
be a man. He is now claimed by by the
victimhood blob. It's like, no, you can't cease seeing yourself
as a victim. Okay, let's let's continue.

Speaker 1 (01:53:56):
All right.

Speaker 10 (01:53:57):
We're not living as a man presenting as a man,
No one as a man.

Speaker 2 (01:54:01):
Will do believe they did prior to his transition though,
right what okay?

Speaker 1 (01:54:08):
Is she just or I don't I don't, but I
don't know how long he lived as a man.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
I guess it doesn't. It doesn't. It isn't relevant because
she's saying that for this period of time she was
not perceived as a man. He lived as a woman.
He experienced patriarchy, patriarchal victimization. Therefore, he is now has
the female experience because giving, you know, having children not
the female experience, like the female half of having not

(01:54:34):
the female experience you need. You neque cognitive functions like
having more peripheral vision, having a keener sense of smell,
more more dexterous in your fingers. That's not a female experience.
Yeah right, you know, having a lower center of body
mass not a female experience. No, it's just victimhook guys.

Speaker 1 (01:54:58):
Yeah, I I've got a super chow from Albatross for
five dollars. And he didn't say anything, So I don't
know if it, like if he meant to say something
or what, but a comment in the chat and tact
badgery live streams, tag it and let us know what
you if you meant to say something else.

Speaker 2 (01:55:17):
Because what is your commentary?

Speaker 1 (01:55:19):
Yeah, what is your commentary? Or you're just giving us
five dollars? That's fine too, I guess.

Speaker 10 (01:55:24):
Okay, all right, as a woman, so thus you do
understand womanhood because you were a woman, you perceived this woman,
you were living woman.

Speaker 2 (01:55:34):
No, no, she paused there. She didn't give any other
additional details aside you were a victim of patriarchy as
a woman. Yes, right, so that's that's the essence. Now
I know that she's saying, how could you become a man.
I think no. I think she's just directly, really directly shame. No.

Speaker 1 (01:55:54):
I think that it's shameful to one live as a man.

Speaker 2 (01:55:57):
Though, well, of course it's shameful. But I think we're
what she's doing right here. It's not related to the
shame of wanting to be a man. It is related
to him specifically saying he doesn't have access to the
female experience, right, That's what he said, And then she's saying, no,
you do because you lived as a woman and you
experience patriarchal oppression. Therefore you have had access to all

(01:56:21):
the female experience that matters fundamentally. So basically, she's part
of the feminist framework that if a man becomes a
woman and experiences patriarchal oppression, that's all that's needed for
him to thus become a woman. That's it's it's like

(01:56:41):
the initiation ritual for womanhood. You run through the colds
of patriarchal oppression, and now you are a woman. You
are a woman. I think that's what she means, and
I know in the negative, it actually makes it really
awful to be a man, because basically you're just a

(01:57:02):
harm for women. But I don't think that that's what
she's saying right now. It's true that that's another effect,
but I don't think that's the point of what she's
saying my own that's my own opinion. You could listen
to more right.

Speaker 10 (01:57:13):
Mm hmm by saying that you don't understand womanhood because
you are perceived as a woman, but you don't have
the brain of a woman, when firstly, trans women do
have the brains of women because they are women. And
what you don't have the biology of a woman, you
don't have like female anatomies, so you don't want like
you don't men straight, not even all cis women men.

Speaker 1 (01:57:33):
Okay, So this so she's working from reverse logic. She's
like doing a very logic like, oh, you have a
brain of a woman because women, because you are a woman.
Therefore you have the brain of a woman. So now
if she's telling him, actually you're not a man, you're
a woman.

Speaker 2 (01:57:46):
Yeah, you're right. Now, she's going into you're actually a
woman now and brain of a woman. So if you
if you, if you say you're a woman, you now
have the brain of a woman. It doesn't matter what
the specific structures of your brain are. You now have
the brain of a woman because you say you're a woman.

Speaker 1 (01:58:03):
Mm hmm, all right, so I can play some more.
I guess.

Speaker 10 (01:58:12):
We all have different hormone levels, we all have different
fault patterns, and like our bodies.

Speaker 2 (01:58:17):
And okay, so so wait wait, wait, so we all
have different thought patterns, we all have different hormone levels,
we all have different biologies, but we are all connected.
See what she's saying. We are all connected by patriarchal oppression.
That's what makes womanhood. And then the turfs wonder why
they're transactivists, say, you know, the only thing you're attaching

(01:58:39):
to for womanhood is patriarchal oppression. What makes you like
oppressed by men? Well that's right here, that's what she's doing.
There's all kinds of womanhood, and even womanhood can even
be manhood. I mean if the man identifies as a woman.
But it all has the same thing, which is that

(01:59:00):
you are oppressed by men. If you are oppressed by men,
you are a woman. That's what she's saying, right.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Right, right, sure, yeah, of course. Well I think I
think that the problem is too, is that it's bad
for the brand if if someone detransitions and then says,
you know what, I didn't like this victimhood thing. I
don't want to live you know, I don't think it
applied to me. I don't, I don't. I don't think
we should be celebrating this and that. And that's kind

(01:59:31):
of like, I mean, I don't want to call it
uniquely masculine, but it's kind of a masculine thing to do.
So he's actually behaving like a man by rejecting this
casting of victim and I think that's bad for the
feminist brand because they they it's like what they sell.
So you're basically saying this product doesn't work, and they're like, no,

(01:59:53):
like it has to work. It's you're the problem. So
let Yeah, this is another video. We saw the clip
from you. It's interesting, but you're right, Yeah, when this
person was still living as a woman, we saw that clip.
This is them when they said, Okay.

Speaker 2 (02:00:08):
Before we get into it, I just want to I
just okay, you have to reintroduce that. But because I
really wanted to get in on one of this, You're right,
he is basically saying victimhood did not make me a woman. Yeah,
something else did. And they can't say that because women

(02:00:30):
have to be made through the feminist framework, like feminism
has to own how women identify and also how men identify.
So if this guy says, well, the way that feminists
arranged the genders did not apply to me, I mean
he has the most authority to say that, really, because

(02:00:52):
he's been through the whole process and he's like, Nope,
that didn't apply. They're wrong, You're right. It's they have
to control the brand, the the the they have to
control the damage to the brand that this man presents.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
Yeah, okay, all right, So here's him, uh with a
follow up video where he basically explains his how he
woke up from gender dysphoria and started loving himself from
his aphoria.

Speaker 10 (02:01:20):
And started loving myself as a man.

Speaker 2 (02:01:23):
Hello hello, oh oh, Okay, before we get into this,
and I do want to see it, but isn't it
interesting that that this is what this detransitioner is upsetting her?
Or or not upsetting her, she she focused on him.
Maybe it isn't, but he has found a way to
love himself as a man. You're not allowed to do that, dude.

(02:01:47):
Feminists don't let you do that, Like you're not that's
not acceptable. This literally is anti feminism prepared to be
called the manosphere.

Speaker 1 (02:01:58):
Dude, Yeah, you're the manosphere now welcome?

Speaker 13 (02:02:01):
Yeah, because you. I'm so happy to be starting my
official YouTube account in showcasing my journey from being a
trans woman to being a happy man and accepting myself
as a man. But first I want to get into
gender dysphoria and how all.

Speaker 1 (02:02:20):
Right, I'm gonna skip ahead a little bit. He basically says,
you know, it's unique because it's like we're celebrating a
mental illness as opposed to He's like, you wouldn't do
that for like bolimia or anorexia or whatever, or depression,
and you know that. I mean that's fair. So I'm

(02:02:40):
gonna jump to uh because I mean, we've been gone
for two hours now and I want to eat. But
let me see if I can find another another time code. Well,
she let me jump to her reaction to this, Okay,
celebrate them.

Speaker 10 (02:02:55):
I'm gonna have to stop you right then.

Speaker 2 (02:02:56):
Okay, it's a wait, wait, I want a clarification. So
he's said we don't celebrate men.

Speaker 1 (02:03:01):
I'm guessing no, he's saying, we don't send celebrate, We
shouldn't celebrate. Okay, you celebrate jennerusphoria. But in a way
he is saying because he just wants to live as
a man. And the thing is, if you say I'm trans,
especially if you're a man, you say you're trans, then

(02:03:21):
you get like put on a pedestal because you are like,
you know, I don't know, breaking shattering the gender binary
or something the patriarchy at the same time, but if
you say, you know what I actually, if you I
just want to live as a man, then it's like ughugh,
you know, added to then there is especially yeah, absolutely.

Speaker 2 (02:03:43):
Specially yeah, and especially if you say I learned to
love myself as a man. That's not loud, dude, that's
not allowed in feminist theory. Key, let's keeping feminist firm Work'll.

Speaker 10 (02:03:53):
Twist it up right. No one is celebrating jenditusaria. That's
not what the celebration is. The celebration is Teresa gender dysphoria,
and the treatment to gender dysphoria is gender affirmation. The
celebration is not like, whoo, you have gender dysparia, how
fun view. The celebration is of recognizing what it is

(02:04:16):
you're struggling with and then making steps to overcome that.

Speaker 2 (02:04:20):
And then well, yeah he just did though.

Speaker 1 (02:04:25):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:04:25):
So the essentially what you're saying is if you celebrate
this particular treatment format for a mental health issue, that's okay,
and it's not pushing people towards it, especially when you
consider that gender dysphoria comes with, you know, other mental
health issues. You're not pushing people towards it.

Speaker 1 (02:04:48):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (02:04:49):
Okay, you're by celebrating this particular treatment because there are
other treatments and obviously he pursued a treatment that worked
for him and might work for other individuals who want
to not become they are for whatever reason, they no
longer want to transition to be women. They would like

(02:05:10):
to now go back to being men, right, okay, all right,
so you can't celebrate that.

Speaker 1 (02:05:17):
Though, all right, I got one more forty minutes.

Speaker 2 (02:05:25):
Oh geez, do you mean all throughout this she didn't
say anything of worse.

Speaker 1 (02:05:30):
I mean a lot of her stuff is rambly, and
like she just sort of repeats herself, like.

Speaker 2 (02:05:35):
Does he ever say anything more about learning to love
himself as a.

Speaker 1 (02:05:39):
Man's a there's a no, not really. I mean I
can go to his bit right here? Yeah, dress how
I want to dress?

Speaker 13 (02:05:48):
Been how I've always been in my life and I
didn't need to tag along this identity as a trans woman. Yeah,
that's what I'm telling you. That's what I did. I
grow my facial hair out. Now I dress as a man,
and I'm happy about it because I'm expressing myself.

Speaker 1 (02:06:05):
Truly.

Speaker 10 (02:06:06):
That's kind of the whole point that well, okay, so okay,
So yeah, he basically says, look, you know, I didn't.

Speaker 1 (02:06:15):
Essentially, he's saying, I just stopped pretending to be something
I'm not and now I'm just gonna be me and
that's okay. And she's saying, well, that's the whole point, Like,
you can be a trans you basically, according to queer theory,
you can dress however you like you meet a man
in a dress and still say you're assists man like

(02:06:37):
the way that you know. And you can be a
woman like wearing like a fucking you know, military tactical
armor and say you're still a woman, like a sist
gendered feminine woman. So essentially, the the it is the
I don't know, like it's like eliminating all categories completely.

(02:06:58):
And of course nobody says you have to live like
you have to live in some kind of box. That's
a that's a bullshit premise that a lot of these
queer theorists even bring up. While you're in the man bars,
you doing the man thing, It's like, no, like, there's
always been wiggle room and there will always be wiggle room.
You guys didn't invent it, but they act like they did,
and so this is them sort of reinforcing it. Like

(02:07:20):
he's saying, I want to live however I want, and
she's like, well, that was our idea, you know.

Speaker 2 (02:07:26):
Yeah, controlling the brand, controlling damage to the brand.

Speaker 1 (02:07:30):
Okay, I've alway ownership of things that they didn't own.

Speaker 2 (02:07:35):
So find the next thing.

Speaker 14 (02:07:36):
That he says, maybe, okay, yeah, of man and woman,
which you just said you all right, yes, but here's
the thing.

Speaker 2 (02:07:50):
As a trans woman, you encourage him to integrate your boxes, right, okay. Well,
if he's saying all that hurts me, maybe he's talking
about the feminist boxes, which is woman is victim, Man
is a presser. Because you're not replaced, you're not getting
rid of boxes. Lady. You just demonstrated at length that

(02:08:13):
you have constructed a new box, which is women's victim.
Maybe that's what he didn't like, all right, I apologize
condition of the brain.

Speaker 13 (02:08:24):
You don't cure it with a boob job or bottom surgery.
You don't cure it with gender affirming care, which is
a disgusting way to put sterilization in harmful hormone usage,
And a lot of people ask me, are you still
taking hormones? Are you gonna like?

Speaker 1 (02:08:44):
I never did.

Speaker 13 (02:08:46):
That's what I want to make it clear and make
it known to so many people's I never took hormones
because I always held on to a little shred of
truth that was maybe I'll come out of it.

Speaker 2 (02:09:00):
Oh, good lord, thank god you did, like honestly, Yeah,
And then and the and the fact is you call
it gender affirming care of no offense. You are sterilizing people, and.

Speaker 1 (02:09:13):
You are chemical castration stating the truth. Yeah, people who
actually go through it must on some level know what
they're doing to themselves.

Speaker 2 (02:09:24):
And why would you encourage this for trans women if
there's like the the their physical bodies don't make them women,
just the experience of victimhood makes them women. Like, if
that's your qualification, they don't have to go through gender
affirming care. Their only gender affirming care that they need

(02:09:47):
is to feel like a victim. Well many of them
already got that, So congratulations, you're a woman according to feminists,
Like yeah, all right, you skip it to whatever last
uh time code you wanted to put it to.

Speaker 1 (02:10:03):
All right, let me see, uh yeah, twenty four, twenty four,
thirty two.

Speaker 2 (02:10:14):
Yeah, here we go, twenty four to thirty two.

Speaker 10 (02:10:16):
Being like, you can be a man and wear dresses.
You can be a man and do your makeup. You
can do whatever you want.

Speaker 1 (02:10:22):
And identify how this can't be a victim?

Speaker 10 (02:10:24):
Can be a trans woman dressed like a man, right,
Like it is about who you are.

Speaker 2 (02:10:29):
But if you're not perceived as being a woman, you're
you're not. You can't understand what it is to be
a woman because you don't experience patriarchal oppression Like.

Speaker 1 (02:10:37):
There's well, you do if you're identifying as a woman.
But once you stop identifying as a woman, then you
no longer do then you are the patriarchy.

Speaker 2 (02:10:45):
This like, this is this is so insanely arbitrary, Like
this is such it's such has such a lack of
any kind of intellectual grounding, like if you if you
if you appear to be a woman, or if you
identifies a woman, and you're you even appear to be
a man, and you experience oppression, then you're a woman.

(02:11:07):
But the moment you look like a man and you
experience life like a man and you identifies a man,
you start to be part of the patriarchy, and you
experience being an oppressor. Mm hmm.

Speaker 10 (02:11:21):
Okay, you dress yourself and present the gender boxes and
gender norms are a conservative value.

Speaker 2 (02:11:30):
Thus, really really okay, Wait, you have made it very
clear that you have gender boxes, and your gender boxes
are women are how men act on them, and men
are how women how they act on women. Except it's
always bad. Mm hmm, Like, don't give me that shit

(02:11:54):
eating grin there, lady. You know you're full of shit
saying this conservative. If anything, the problem that you have
with conservative gender roles is they're too relaxed. They can
allow for the idea that women act and men are

(02:12:14):
acted upon. You can't handle it when men and women
must occupy completely different states of existence. But but while
men and women occupy completely different states of existence, women
are some kind of mineral, men are some kind of animal.
You know, it is extremely easy to switch between the two. Yes,

(02:12:41):
why don't you just become a human being.

Speaker 1 (02:12:43):
Lady, it's asking too much. Okay, that's it. I mean, okay,
aren't like, basically, guys, if you believe that there are
two sexes, guess what you're conservative? Are you guys? Ready
to destigmatize that term yet? Okay to do that because

(02:13:07):
they're just going to keep using it, and you just
got to like let them just be like, I don't
give a fuck. It's like being be like, I don't
care I'm sexist. Then I'm just trying to get to
the truth. Call it whatever you want.

Speaker 2 (02:13:18):
Yes, I think the way that they're using the term conservative,
it loses all its meaning to be frank Yeah, yeah,
I agree. I mean, you can't let them play the
game name game if you if you're constant they're constantly
allowing them to play whack the mole with names, then
you are not going to get anything done. So I

(02:13:41):
don't deny the conservative label because these idiots are calling
me it. I'm saying conservative is its own thing, and
I am another thing, right, And I'm not saying that
either of those two things are better or worse than
each other, and in fact, they are both vital for
any kind of advanced thought. Okay, but that is this

(02:14:05):
is I'm this role, Conservatives are this role. Neither are,
in my opinion, should be stigmatized. And I recognize that
the people who call themselves liberal and left, they don't
demonstrate the open mindedness, the self doubt and introspection and
all of the other stuff that used to be associated
with the term right. They don't want to occupy that

(02:14:27):
at all. They've just turned everything into tribalism, intellectual tribalism,
which is not conservative and it's not liberal. It's just
intellectual tribalism. Yeah, and no, I don't like I mean
they call me, I get called conservative. I'm like, yeah,
I guess I don't. I'm not going to be like,
oh my god, I'm gonna I'm gonna run around proving

(02:14:48):
I'm not a conservative, because it's just like it's just
like calling me like, oh, you are a French speaker.
Well not really, but I'm not going to be upset
you think I can speak French. Well maybe little bit.
I'll be a little bit upset. I'm gonna use a
different language. Oh you speak Swahili. I'm like, well I don't,
but you know, I'm not upset that you're saying that
I speak Swahili, all right, okay, but anyway, but I

(02:15:15):
take your point, like, you're absolutely right. You can't let
these people play the whack a mole game with names,
and then you're constantly running away from them labeling, running
away from them labeling you something. It's like they don't
even have the right to label people these labels because
they are in effect a supremacist, eugenicist ideology that has

(02:15:39):
gotten away with it for years. They've gotten away with massive,
massive ethical breaches in their academic frameworks for years. And
you can see it right here in what she's doing.
She says, Oh, conservatives think there's a gender binary. We
just think that you become a woman by experienced oppression,

(02:16:02):
and if you're a man, you become a man by
being an oppressor. Like that, what is that? That is
a gender binary. And not only is it a gender binary.

Speaker 15 (02:16:15):
It's like you look at the you look at the
conservative gender binary of gender complimentarianism, that men and women
work together to make a world worth living in, and
men and women have different strengths and different weaknesses, and
they complement each other and they rely on each other
and love comes out of that and you look at

(02:16:35):
that and you're like, oh my.

Speaker 16 (02:16:37):
God, Oh oh that's horrible. Oh that's not the truth
at all. The truth is that women are only ever
beaten and raped by men. That's what men want to
do to keep us down.

Speaker 2 (02:16:51):
And men are only ever the most horrible they could
ever be a woman ever, because they just want to
be oppressors. Oh but they don't really want to be
because truly, I don't want to say that it's necessarily
something they've chosen. It's just a it's just an unconscious
reflex from their well I can't say biology, but just
just a socialization that we can't identify anywhere but exists everywhere.

(02:17:14):
Men areka. It's just it's just a reflex that they
do that they're so evil And that's that's the gender
binary that you really twig on. Huh. And then you
have the audacity to turn around and show throw shade
on the conservative complementary and gender binary. Why because it's
so life affirming and humanistic and kind and gentle and

(02:17:36):
empathic and actually respects both parties. Like seriously, Okay, I
think that I'm done. I just I think I think
this sort of was you know, it was presumptively about detransitioning,
but I think it ended up being about Rainbow Bright's
version of gender binaries and how it's utterly morally bankrupt.

(02:18:02):
And then she has the audacity to to fart in
the general direction of the conservative complementarianism gender binary This
is Christy. It's like it's like Satan coming out of
a sulfurous crack and then and then complaining about somebody
a redhead wearing pink with red hair. Yeah, I don't

(02:18:25):
know that that might that might have fallen flat. Who knows?
You you you didn't bring you didn't you didn't say
you didn't you didn't send your library books back on time.
You're so much worse than me. Just imagine that like Satan,
like the horrific image of Satan from like the media
e all just coming out of a soul fur's crack

(02:18:47):
and then telling you about how you didn't return your
library books or your videotapes.

Speaker 1 (02:18:52):
That's probably what she's going to get me sent to
hell some library book that I never returned exactly. Yeah,
probably anyway, Yeah, so I'm done. I'm hungry. I gotta go.

Speaker 2 (02:19:08):
You I am equally hungry, or maybe maybe not equally,
I can't say that because I don't don't have experiences
being Brian and a man.

Speaker 1 (02:19:18):
I yeah, I won't make any claims either way, and
just know I haven't really eaten at all today.

Speaker 2 (02:19:22):
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