Ho Ho Ho! Merry Badgermas! | Thanksgiving Day X-Mas X Space

Merry Christmas! Call in and join us on X tomorrow at 1pm Eastern! This just might become a little heated depending on who joins in.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Okay, all right, hello, we're live. We're figuring things out
right now. I just got like.

Speaker 2 (00:07):
Complexity complexities, complexities upon complexities, menus nested within menus. It is.

Speaker 3 (00:16):
Difficult.

Speaker 1 (00:19):
Yeah, as is typical.

Speaker 3 (00:23):
Yeah, as is typical.

Speaker 1 (00:26):
All right, But Alison's trying to log into the X space,
but she's got a log out of her account because
I'm using it to host the X space. But we
are live. Merry Christmas, everyone, and welcome to the Special
Christmas Stream. So if you want to talk to us,
you can go. You have to have an X account.

(00:46):
There is an X space that is currently live. I
think I can get the link to it and put
it in the description. It's something I meant to do
and I kind of forgot to do, so let me
do that really quick. All I gotta do is copy
the link and I'm gonna put it in the description

(01:07):
of this video so that you guys can go there
if you have an X account. You have to have
an X account, But why don't you? They're free? Why not?
I mean, yeah, Elon Musk owns it. It's probably a
safer online space than most, so I say go for
it and join us in the space. What was that

(01:28):
it's free.

Speaker 3 (01:29):
I said, it's free, and the speech is free.

Speaker 1 (01:31):
Yeah, it's speed, it's free, and the speech is relatively free.

Speaker 3 (01:36):
Yeah, relatively. Okay, see if I can manage.

Speaker 1 (01:40):
This all right? Yeah, Allison's trying to figure this out,
so we will. But I did put the link to
the space in the description. You'll have to do a
quick refresh and then you should be able to access
the space and then what you want to do? Huh what?

Speaker 3 (02:01):
Well, oh you.

Speaker 2 (02:02):
Know what finish off?

Speaker 1 (02:03):
Ears thought, Well, I'm just saying, once you join the space,
then what you want to do if you want to
talk is if you've never used x spaces before, there's
should and you can do this on your phone or
on your PC. There should be a request to speak
and you sort of raise your hand and we can
see it in the chat and then we'll like, I'll

(02:25):
I'll basically give you, guys permissions. I'm currently using the
Honey Badger Radio X account to talk. So yeah, we're
just waiting for Allison to get in here. So hello
to Jim Bottle, Filler Banski, Richard Bierre, Gabriel Felan Lucas
and Murder of Crows. Also open your Mind's Eye, Mind

(02:48):
and I and Gemini lyon, Hello, Hello, and Merry Christmas
to you guys. Did you guys get everything that you
were hoping to get? Did Santa Claus take care of
you guys? No? Nothing. Oh I got a I got
a gaming mouse, which I'm really happy with because it's

(03:11):
like my mouse before it was. I didn't realize how
bad it was until I plugged this one in like
I was working with the other one. But it did
occasionally the clicks were like off, you know, like they
wouldn't happen or I couldn't tell they were happening, and
it caused some issues. But this one is really really clean,
although it came with something really weird. I got this

(03:31):
hexagonal thing with metal, like I don't know, just like
a weird thing that came with it that I guess
you put inside the mouse. I guess them. When the
mouse wears down, you put something in it and it
does something.

Speaker 4 (03:44):
I think.

Speaker 5 (03:44):
I think it's waits waits waits.

Speaker 6 (03:48):
Yeah, people like the mouse to uh you can adjust
to wait to the mouse.

Speaker 1 (03:52):
Oh. I see all right, Allison's in here now, So
I'm gonna make you into I'm gonna make q into
a speaker see, so to speak and now accept the invite,
and then you can talk in you can talk in
in here. You'll have to do them both at the

(04:15):
same time so that people can hear you when they talk. Now,
what were you saying?

Speaker 2 (04:20):
Well, what I was saying is, first of all, okay,
so I need to request to speak.

Speaker 1 (04:25):
Yeah, I already no, I already I saw you and
I already made I'm also.

Speaker 2 (04:28):
Already well, I have it all muted on Twitter, so
all I'm talking to you is through this.

Speaker 1 (04:34):
Now through discord.

Speaker 2 (04:35):
Yeah, yeah, through discord. So I don't know if the
people in the Twitter space can hear. But nobody's in
the Twitter.

Speaker 1 (04:41):
Space, nobody can hear you. So I'm gonna I'm gonna
invite you as co host. Just accept it for now
because people don't usually jump in immediately, and I mean
we may not see anybody. It's possible, but in the
past when I did this, I have had a few
people jump on. I just don't know if everyone's doing
and Christmas things right now. Yeah, Philip Williams says, Merry Christmas,

(05:07):
Merry Christmas to all, hoping you all have a great
new year. Unfortunately, can't stay and watch, hopefully get to
catch up with Badgers and company during Lives again soon.
Thank you, Murderer, Crow says, I get I gotta much
anticipated and welcome visit A you mean, visitor? Is that
what you meant to say? Peter Houston says, Merry Christmas,

(05:28):
Merry Christmas. Peter Houston doesn't feel good to just say that.
Merry Christmas.

Speaker 2 (05:35):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (05:36):
Jim Bottle says, the good news is honey, Badgers are
immune from scorpion poison. Simple symbolism. Okay, Saturn and retrograde?
Is that what we're talking about.

Speaker 3 (05:49):
I don't think Saturn goes into retrograde.

Speaker 1 (05:51):
I just said that. I don't know what that means.

Speaker 2 (05:55):
If my astrolom astronomical knowledg isn't failing me, does Saturn
go into retrograde?

Speaker 3 (06:07):
I know I'm being totally autistic. Retrograde every year for
about four to five months, appearing to move backwards from
Earth due to the orbital mechanics. Okay, so I apparently
I am full of shit. I wonder how much I'm
full of shit? Is there any difference in retrograde motion

(06:31):
between inner and outer planets? I want to be right
on some level you know. Yes, there's a differences in
the parent retrograde motion of inner and out inferior and
outer superior planets. Oh, even astronomy is hierarchical as observed
from Earth, specifically in the mechanism, frequency and duration. The

(06:52):
key different stems from their orbital speeds relative to Earth.

Speaker 7 (06:56):
Okay, so feature occurs inferior junction of the planet is
between the Earth and the Sun occurs around the time
of opposition, and the Earth is between the planet and
the Sun. Are difficult to observe during retrograde because they're
close to the Sun. Frequency the curse more frequently but
for a shorter duration. So when when Saturn is in retrograde,

(07:18):
it's really in retrograde.

Speaker 3 (07:20):
It commits. Okay, fair enough, But.

Speaker 8 (07:23):
So the inner planets are more frequent, the outer planets
are in retrograde longer. This is trivia that I assume
nobody thought they would get when they opened up this stream.

Speaker 1 (07:35):
Yeah, yeah, I don't know how we got onto that,
like first thing.

Speaker 7 (07:39):
But.

Speaker 2 (07:41):
Well we could since uh it's it's quiet, and uh yes,
I'm just uh okay, because it's quiet, we could, uh
we could talk about.

Speaker 3 (07:55):
The things that we have been doing Okay, what.

Speaker 1 (07:58):
Are the things that we've been doing.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
How did your Christmas go so far?

Speaker 2 (08:03):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (08:04):
It's good. Like like I said, I got a gaming
mouse and I went to christ Mass this morning. That's
what Christmas means, christ Mass. It's it's it was church.
And but I didn't really want to, but I did
anyway because I just wanted to sleep in and Lindsay
did too, but we went anyway, and we had a

(08:26):
wife saver. Have you guys ever had heard of wife
saverr W I f ees s a v e R
wife saver? You ever had that? You ever heard of it?
So my mother in law makes wife saver, used to
make it for Lindsay when she was a kid all
the time, and Lindsay wanted to make it this year,
so she did. And since we were breaking a fast

(08:48):
this today, today's the day we can eat like a
normal person, she made wife saver And so, like you
what it is. It's basically like a casse role. You
take like bread slices, a layer of bread slices on
the bottom, and then on top of that you put ham,

(09:08):
and then you put another layer of bread, and then
you put like a bunch of eggs mixed with various
like you know, vegetables like green onions and things like that.
So it's sort of like a layer that is an omelet,
and then on top of that you put like you
crush a bunch of cornflakes, you sprinkle it on top,

(09:30):
and then you put it in there and it doesn't
sound good, but you put it in the refrigerator. We
did it the night before, cover it with seran rat,
put in the fridge, and then when we got home,
we put it in the oven. Put it in the
oven for an hour. And it's essentially like a giant
breakfast cake. It's a cake that's full of breakfast food
and it's delicious. Oh yeah, cheese. I forgot the cheese.

(09:51):
Lots of cheese, whole bunch of shredded cheddar, so yeah,
it definitely cheese on there. So it's like a ham,
cheese egg omelet with bread and some cornflakes. Wife Saver.
It was good, but it was a lot. So we're
gonna have steak later because again we were breaking the fast.
We didn't have meat since I think it was like

(10:14):
since before Thanksgiving. It was like the right after Halloween,
so almost almost that long. So yeah, it was. It's
gonna be good as far as gets go. I also
got a new mug for coffee, which I'm gonna need.
And you got some stuff for the house. Nothing major tablecloth,

(10:38):
you know, when you get older, like these things are
not as exciting. Although somebody got me a game, and
I want to give a shout out to Master Goa.
I believe it's the guy who got it for me.
He got me a Steam game Castlevania. Let me look
at the name again, Caslvania Lords of Shadow to audition.

(11:02):
So we're gonna go ahead and install that while we're talking.
Uh yeah, So that's that's been my Christmas. I'll talk
to my mom and my dad like later today. I
guess after this is over. What about you?

Speaker 2 (11:18):
It reminds me I probably should call my dad. We
haven't done anything that yet because we're going to be
doing that in the afternoon.

Speaker 1 (11:28):
Yeah. Jo Jo got a bunch of stuff too. Yeah,
but he doesn't know it's Christmas. He just he just
knows he's getting ship.

Speaker 2 (11:36):
So okay, I've got those things working. So I'm gonna
quit here and I'll be hearing you in.

Speaker 1 (11:46):
What are you all right?

Speaker 9 (11:47):
What?

Speaker 1 (11:48):
What things working? Okay? Elson just left. All right, she's
gonna talk to me in the Twitter space now, I
guess I thought she was gonna play. Yes, you're there,
I can hear you.

Speaker 2 (11:58):
Okay, there there it works. Yeah, all streamline.

Speaker 1 (12:01):
You're slightly lower volume, but I think still fine.

Speaker 2 (12:06):
Okay, we'll you just give me a sec I'll move
this around. Can you is this? Does this better?

Speaker 1 (12:10):
Yeah? Let me just are you gonna be playing Beat
Saber two or no?

Speaker 2 (12:16):
I'll probably play synth Riders so you can. You can
probably silence the music because I'm not speaking through.

Speaker 1 (12:24):
The you're not speaking through Discord.

Speaker 2 (12:29):
No, I'm not speaking for Discord. I'm just gonna be
in Discord displaying the game. Maybe for New Year's we could, uh,
we can do the game that you were talking about, Repo.

Speaker 1 (12:42):
Yeah. I think would be a lot of fun. Yeah,
all right, let me just make this a bit smaller.

Speaker 2 (12:51):
Oh, the virtual space is all distorted, so what Oh no,
it's just it. I I came into the virtual space
under the floor, which was kind of sickening.

Speaker 1 (13:04):
Oh, oh, I see what you mean. Yeah, go live
on there too so that I can.

Speaker 2 (13:08):
Yeah, I will. I just want to make sure i'm
getting something up.

Speaker 1 (13:11):
No, problem. Let me see what you guys are saying
the chat. I'm gonna try and engage with the chat
more often. I've been doing that since the news show,
so let me see.

Speaker 2 (13:24):
Otherwise, I'm just gonna bitch about J R. R. Martin's book. Yeah,
a song of Iceland Fire? Yes?

Speaker 1 (13:31):
Did he finally release a new one? Are you just
like watching?

Speaker 2 (13:35):
No? Okay, it's just that getting that.

Speaker 1 (13:37):
Story is never going to be finished, Guys, I hate
to break it to you.

Speaker 2 (13:40):
No, it's never gonna be He's gonna.

Speaker 1 (13:42):
Die before it's over because he doesn't know what.

Speaker 2 (13:43):
To do with it. And all of you, all of you,
all of you should have realized because there there were
some there are some warning signs well before, well before
the man started to get into an advanced stage of
per procrastination dementia. No, I don't think he's got dementia.

(14:07):
I think he's just so this this this one is
synth riders. There. There's no ability as far as I know,
to do request you know I could do.

Speaker 1 (14:24):
Maybe they probably haven't monitored yet. All right, So let
me just move the Let me see where is the
chat that we were just doing. Move it on top
of this?

Speaker 2 (14:38):
Do it do what? Well? Search it. I'm trying to
find Christmas songs. No tracks found, of course.

Speaker 1 (14:49):
Oh hey, somebody joined the chat Edgar Green, Welcome to
the Christmas stream of the Christmas Special.

Speaker 2 (15:01):
To find like Christmas music?

Speaker 1 (15:04):
Well, there's no are there mods for this? I have
have that has because I don't know if if you're
not getting mods, you might not get any Christmas songs.

Speaker 2 (15:14):
Yeah, so I need to turn the music down. I
don't even know how to turn the volume down with this.
Oh right, right, what am I doing? Huh? Okay? Audio, yeah,
a little bit. I don't know. We don't want that
master volume, sex volume okay, no, okay, so music is

(15:39):
like at the minimum, and yet it's still horrifically loud.

Speaker 1 (15:43):
I don't, I don't. I lowered it on my end. Yeah,
it's almost it's almost like an audible.

Speaker 2 (15:50):
Yeah, it's like, what are you doing? Beats? No, not
beat savers, synth wave.

Speaker 1 (15:57):
You should be able to do it in the in
the option in the Uh, well, unfortunately I'm not really.

Speaker 2 (16:04):
I'm actually really terrible with this interface. I understand nothing.
Headset okay, how about the volume, it's a headset volume? Okay?
Audio output? Oh, thank god, I can hear myself think again.

(16:26):
All right? Okay, good lord, this is a loud game. Uh.
I guess he didn't find our Well he probably just browsing.

Speaker 10 (16:37):
Eh.

Speaker 2 (16:37):
Okay, if we can find Lindsay Sterling, let's do Lindsay Sterling.

Speaker 1 (16:43):
Sure, some Linds Sterling.

Speaker 2 (16:45):
Sorry sort of, you know, Christmas Eve. She can be okay,
so this is shatter me.

Speaker 1 (16:54):
Okay, all right, can you guys hear everything? Okay, it
looks like it. Yeah, it's everything should be fine. You're
not gonna yeah, Ellison's coming out of the discord here.

Speaker 2 (17:04):
So yeah, I'm not coming out of the discord.

Speaker 1 (17:06):
No, no, no, I know. But like from in my setup,
I have an audio output source that I call discord.
It's basically like browser whatever I'm using the chat.

Speaker 2 (17:17):
So Jesus, good lord, my dog just sounded like a
human being.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
Mm hmm. Okay, so let me see what you guys
are saying in chat. Well, I'm trying to engage with
the chat. Yeah, he does. Sometimes he makes how he
noises that sound like, you know, like he's saying woohoo.

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah. I think my dog said na at one point, like.

Speaker 1 (17:50):
An Australian person disagreeing.

Speaker 11 (17:53):
No, ne'er.

Speaker 1 (17:56):
That's how Australian people say no, no. Uh okay, so
let me see that's tickety Boo says, who's a random
person from your past? You will never forget random person? Hmm,

(18:17):
I don't know, man. I have a lot of people
that I won't forget, like my old bosses. Like my
old bosses. Those are a couple. One guy I worked
with when I had a job at a paint store.
He was fifties. He was a fifty year old guy.

Speaker 2 (18:33):
Huh No, sorry I'm talking because okay, so we have
a German shepherd who has decided to okay, fuck, I
can't do this. Sorry, I have to think. We have
a German shepherd who has decided to lick a hole
in his front leg, and we have had to put
like a.

Speaker 1 (18:56):
Yes, he's just not.

Speaker 2 (19:01):
It's a complicated story.

Speaker 1 (19:04):
And you're not gonna be able to tell it while
playing this game.

Speaker 2 (19:06):
So no, I'm not gonna be able to tell it
while playing this game. I apologize everyone, Yeah, for starting
something I couldn't finish. He's very sensitive. We'd have to
put a muzzle on him. He's sensitive about the muzzle. Well, no,
he's not sensitive, but he's actually been very good about
the muzzle.

Speaker 1 (19:21):
Why don't you give him a cone?

Speaker 2 (19:24):
We don't have a cone and we're in the middle
of nowhere. Brian.

Speaker 1 (19:27):
Yeah. Yeah, Well my first well not my first ball,
but the dog I had before Jojo, her name was Leslie.
She when I first got her, she was like six
and a half years old when I got her from
the shelter, so it was already like pretty much an
older dog, and she had this really like nervous habit.

(19:48):
She basically was a stressed case because she couldn't stay
anywhere because like everywhere she went, they would like send
her back to the shelter. And it was a no
kill shelter fortunately, but the people that were like, yeah,
we were not gonna be like she's basically like you know,
living in and out of shelters, so she's like a
nervous wreck. And she would lick this part of her

(20:08):
paw raw to where like the fur would come off,
and she would have like a spot that was almost
like you know, bloodied, right, like she wasn't breaking the
skin per se, but it was like really thin there,
so you'd get like it was like a soft spot
They used to call that a hotspot dogs would get
and it was like their way there. They're basically stressed.
So I had to basically just stick it out with

(20:30):
her and keep her chill and like make sure that
she knew that I was not going to abandon her,
because I think that's where it came from. She thought
she's not gonna stay here long. She's gonna end up
back in the shelter or something. And even though she
had problems with dog aggression, like that was the reason
why they she kept coming back was because she would like,
you know, go after other dogs. I just kept her,

(20:53):
you know, indoors, and I slowly socialized her so where
she was able to hang out with some dogs like
my brothers. When I lived in Chicago, my brother had
a Chihuahua named Prince, and Leslie was a dog about
the size of Jojo. She was like seventy pounds, you know,
kind of like part pitbull, part lab or something like.

(21:13):
She was part hound, like she was a mutt. But
and I would get them to hang out with each
other and they were fine. And that soft spot, that
spot that she would lick it disappeared after I had
her for about a year, So it might he might
just be going through a stressful period for some reason,
and you just work, you know, keep him reassured. And
I'm sure that he'll he'll stop doing that, I.

Speaker 2 (21:35):
Guess, because what's happened, and I think it might be
multiple things, is Jonathan got really bad cases of shingles.

Speaker 12 (21:44):
Yeah, you know what that.

Speaker 1 (21:46):
Yeah, it's not fun.

Speaker 2 (21:49):
No, have you had them?

Speaker 1 (21:51):
No? No, I mean not that I know of. I
don't think so.

Speaker 2 (21:54):
No, Well, they're just basically what happens is your nerve
endings have chicken pox. It's the same like the same
virus that is chicken pox basically and hides out in
your nerve endings. And it's just is sort of a
resurgence of that. And Jordan got that and he's been

(22:18):
wiped out for weeks now. So Scipio has had far
less stimulation. And I think he injured his leg and
there was this little patch of like you know how
dogs when they get an injury, sometimes they get like
a little patch of pigmented skin, and he'd been licking

(22:39):
at it and licking at it, yeah, and I was
trying to stop him to do that, and then he
redirected to another part of his skin and a licked
a hole in the fur. So I've had to like
wrap his leg put on a muzzle and thankfully he's
not doesn't seem very stressed by the muzzle. Yeah, but

(23:02):
we don't have a cone. I had to make a
cone out of a two toilet paper, not toilet paper,
two towels rolled together, which isn't really ideal, no at all.

Speaker 1 (23:13):
No, you could probably just get something online. I haven't said.
I did get one for Leslie when I first brought
her home. They gave me a cone at the shelter,
but I stopped using it after a while because it
was like I didn't need it, like she basically like
once she became comfortable and she thought, oh, I'm going
to live here now, then she was good.

Speaker 2 (23:35):
I wonder if we should maybe go back to the
the coll In server since this is really slow.

Speaker 1 (23:43):
We could do that too, I guess, But like, just so,
the thing is, like I think that we have to
like keep at it to use this, okay, because more
people are just on X right but there, but like
we're doing it on Christmas Day, for one, so people
are probably taking a break from the Internet, and I
don't blame them, but like, you just do this regularly

(24:04):
enough and you'll see more traffic. I think that the
problem with the discord server is it's a little it's
it's very corralled, like only people who have discord are
going to be able to access it. And then it
within that is a subset of people who are interested
in coming on our show. And then within that is
a subset of people who are actually able to make

(24:25):
the time to come on our show. And then there's
a sub within a subset of that, there's only the
people who actually have something to say. And I don't
have a problem with the discord thing, but the problem
is that we have like every time I do it,
it's like the same, you know, like half a dozen people. Yeah,
because they're the only ones that want to do it.
I think that if you do it this way, you're

(24:46):
opening it up to anyone, and that that means, you know,
people who hate us. I mean, I'd rather have that
than the same guys coming on saying so what are
you guys doing?

Speaker 5 (24:58):
You know?

Speaker 2 (24:58):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (24:59):
So, And if Edgar wants to say anything, all he
has to do is raise his hand. I'm watching. I
think there's a way to request, you know, to speak,
if you want to speak, if you just want to listen,
that's okay. Anyway, let's see what just talked to the
chat And look we've only been live for about like
just under half an hour, so we may not get anyone.

Speaker 2 (25:23):
Yeah, that's true.

Speaker 1 (25:23):
There's there's a guy, Carl T. Boilin just joined and
if you want to talk, Carl, feel free to raise
your hand or request to speak, and I'll give you
a Yeah, I do have a request here? Who is it? Approve? Okay,
here you go, Carl, Welcome to the stream. How you doing?
See look Alison, people are jumping in.

Speaker 2 (25:43):
Yeah. I just did a message through discord. That might
be one. It might also be that it's finally propagated
through Twitter.

Speaker 1 (25:50):
Yeah, okay, Carl, you have the you have the floor.
Merry Christmas, married Christmas?

Speaker 4 (25:58):
My friend has a devil? Are you what a bunch
of retrobates to gather?

Speaker 2 (26:02):
So far? Retrobates? Is that a Is that a cult
reference to the astronomy debate we had her like.

Speaker 1 (26:13):
No, I don't know if you've saw for that.

Speaker 2 (26:16):
Well, we were talking about the inner and outer planets
in retrograde, so retrobrates.

Speaker 1 (26:22):
No, I think retrobate is like saying that we're cads, right,
ca cads cads and bounderis.

Speaker 2 (26:30):
Yes, this is new lingo for me.

Speaker 1 (26:33):
Oh no, it's actually very old lingo. Really, So, Carl,
what's up? Did you want to say anything? I have
like somebody else requesting too, and.

Speaker 4 (26:47):
Now I just type you're all having a wonderful diet.
I hope you loved ones around you and you're enjoying yourselves.
And you've not got to marry yet.

Speaker 1 (27:01):
Oh no, not too merry, No, no, no plans on
getting overly merry, just merry enough.

Speaker 2 (27:08):
I never get married. I only get angry.

Speaker 1 (27:12):
So you know, actually, Carl, you you host like an
x spaces basically every morning, right, It's like, well, at
least it's morning for me. I don't know if it's
like later for you. And you get like a decent
number of people. But it takes a little time to
get an x space going, doesn't it.

Speaker 4 (27:30):
It does? Indeed? Yeah, as you know, I used to
co host along with a gentleman called Bill Corbett.

Speaker 1 (27:38):
Oh yeah, coffee or Bill?

Speaker 4 (27:40):
Yeah yeah, And let's just say we came to an
impasse and I've moved on since to doing my own
little spaces, which are generally called campfires, and the idea
is is just to get people to chat about any
think which normally gets around to mail rights some stages.

(28:05):
Obviously it will.

Speaker 1 (28:06):
In some way. Yeah, is that because you bring that
with you like, like you like. It's what you're known for.
So the people you surround yourself with are already interested
in that topic.

Speaker 4 (28:16):
I think to some extent. Yes, Well, I try to
encourage open debate, truthful and honest debate, and a very
very debate. We get on multiple subjects, sometimes of which
I know absolutely nothing about, and I'm getting educated by
the other people that come into my spaces.

Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay, whoops, do we just lose in?

Speaker 1 (28:43):
No, he's still no, he's just done talking. Do you
know what that's like, Alison? They finished the sentence and
then they're done. It's crazy.

Speaker 2 (28:52):
It's well only mildly decreases, it never never completely stops.

Speaker 1 (28:56):
All right, I'm gonna let Edgar wants to talk, so
I'm gonna give him the floor. Are now you can
feel free to stick around, Carl. All right, Edgar, you
can talk now, what's up? Merry Christmas? Let me see
if he can get his audio working sometimes you gotta
give it a second. Hi, Merry Christmas, Merry Christmas? What's up?

(29:19):
Just want to say, Merry Christmas.

Speaker 13 (29:21):
I keep up with you guys's streams pretty regularly, do.

Speaker 1 (29:24):
You do you do? You watch them on YouTube x
or rumble YouTube, usually on replay. Okay, so like after
we've done that, yeah, I usually catch him the next
morning my go to wake up. Oh okay, yeah that's cool.

(29:46):
So what what's how's your Christmas been so far?

Speaker 13 (29:50):
H excellent?

Speaker 2 (29:52):
Uh?

Speaker 13 (29:53):
Got up early play Santa.

Speaker 1 (29:56):
And oh got up early to place cool? And how
many do you have? Little ones?

Speaker 2 (30:05):
Then?

Speaker 1 (30:06):
Just just the one? Just the one? And what did
Santa have for that person?

Speaker 13 (30:12):
Oh she got a stuff tiger and a bunch of
stuff in her talkings and stuff like that.

Speaker 1 (30:20):
Yeah, very happy.

Speaker 13 (30:21):
She wanted the stuff tiger very bad.

Speaker 1 (30:23):
Mm hmm. What do you think about this idea that
a lot of people criticize Christmas as just kind of
like this consumerist holiday that's just an excuse to buy junk?
What do you what do you think about that? Do
you have an opinion on that that kind of like
I don't know, statement.

Speaker 10 (30:45):
Candy.

Speaker 13 (30:46):
I think it goes into how people approach it and
what their intent is. Like we we had a bunch
of discussions on you know, the meaning the story and
the purpose of the gifts and where the tradition came from.

Speaker 1 (31:00):
And yeah, there are some of our I guess.

Speaker 13 (31:05):
End up being religiously themed and what not between each other.
And I think that if you if you go into
it is this is about getting stuff and not about
the love and that you're sharing between your family, then
you might end up that way.

Speaker 1 (31:19):
Yeah, yeah, no, I mean, yeah, definitely, it's a it's
a mindset. Definitely. Companies are going to take advantage of
the holidays to sell stuff. But at the end of
the day, you decide, like if you're gonna you know,
it's your call, right.

Speaker 2 (31:40):
What exactly I'm agreeing with you?

Speaker 5 (31:43):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (31:43):
Yeah, all right, Well, Edgar, you feel free to hang
out if you want, and Merry Christmas? Does anyone else?
I see a couple of other people here horror cocktail
and be real, truth of or objective, welcome and Merry Christmas.
If you want to speak, just give us a shout out. Meanwhile,

(32:04):
I'm gonna look at what the chat is saying. I
did get a superchow that I should read. So a
voidcat gave us ten dollars and says have a very
MIOI Christmas. Well, thank you. Voidcat had no idea that
boycat knew how to use a credit card. I guess
to put in a super child. So I guess, Alison,

(32:26):
you are Jonathan got to check your accounts and see
if voycat has found access.

Speaker 2 (32:31):
Has hacked it.

Speaker 1 (32:32):
Yess hacked if you've been hacked by the black cat. Anyway,
black cat that steals not at all shocking. Murder of
Crows what sorry, just kidding, I'm just kidding. Murder of Crows,
says Salt the steak an hour beforehand. It's as it's

(32:54):
resting and warming on the counter. It's not the steak
that we're having. Oh no, we did it yesterday. Lindsay
knows how to do this. Then we get we got
a whole rib roast. It's gonna be a maze balls.
I haven't had steak since fuck since well, technically we
had one on our anniversary, which was last week. We

(33:14):
did have a little We did cheat that day because
it was our anniversary, but but that was not much.
It was like a little strip. So okay, Peter Houghston says,
I can hear you and Allison talked as no dog
or music sound. Yeah, Alison asked me to turn the
music down. That's why.

Speaker 2 (33:31):
And well, I'm what because I probably probably because I
goddamn yeah, no, I mean I referenced the dog talking.

Speaker 1 (33:43):
Oh oh.

Speaker 2 (33:44):
He had like an extended series of syllables that he
was like a howling out not howling but you know
the whale song that really vocal dogs do.

Speaker 1 (33:55):
Yeah, I know.

Speaker 2 (33:56):
It was like a really vocal dog.

Speaker 1 (34:01):
He is very vocal JoJo's but he lets you know
he's around. Let's see. There was somebody else who said
something interesting night motorcyclists said something is I actually really
like relate to this? He said, Ever since my mom passed,
the family splintered. You know, it's interesting that my family

(34:24):
when I was growing up was very tight knit, like
we and it wasn't just like me and my mom
and my father and my brothers. It was like everybody
like I had uncles and I had aunts. I had
my grandma on both sides, and I had my cousins,
and we would go to barbecue's and everything, and the
person who held everyone together, and I could bring this

(34:44):
to men's rights if you guys want. But the person
who held everything together was my grandmother on my father's side,
who was this Puerto Rican lady, you know, in her sixties,
literally had one leg. She would hop around the kitchen cooking.
She had one leg. Okay, it's okay to laugh, it's funny.
She had one leg. And she would organize every single

(35:06):
family event. She memorized everyone's birthdays, everyone's births, everyone's anniversaries,
every holiday, Eastern Christmas, you know, and summer barbecues. And
she would put together big bashes for the family, the
extended family, and even friends of the family, like if
there were you know, people that have known each other

(35:27):
for a long long time, they would be considered part
of the family as well. Like I remember when I
was very young, my mom went to a babysitter who
was a friend of my aunt's and she would watch
me when I was like four years old, and that
woman was so like involved that she was going to
all the parties too. And then when my grandmother passed away,

(35:50):
and I don't know what it was of because I
was pretty young. I was probably like fourteen fifteen years old,
And when my grandmother passed away. The family like couldn't
keep it together. My uncle tried to like continue this
tradition that my grandma had, but it just it just
fell apart and everyone sort of like you know, became
atomized over time. And now I don't I don't know

(36:13):
where what half of the people in my family are
are up to. And it's it's like the problems of
what's happening now. It's like a microcosm of what's happening now.
Like people are not connected to their their family or
their ancestors or whatever, and it doesn't matter what the

(36:34):
culture is. It's just sort of like disintegrating. And I
think my grandma was definitely not a modern woman, Like
she was not like a feminist woman, right she was,
and but she was tough, like she like both of
my grandmothers on both sides, they they were you know,
roughing it, like like in Puerto Rico, most people are

(36:56):
pretty poor, and they would you know, they had chickens
and they grew their own food and all that, so
they were like still kind of living a I don't know,
like a farmer's life, I guess. But when my grandma
came to the city, she she made it like a
point to like try to do that. So I think
it's interesting that you said that because I think of
my grandma when I think about like what happened with

(37:17):
my family, and it's not terrible, Like I still can
like I talked to my mom and stuff, you know,
but it's not the same.

Speaker 2 (37:26):
Yeah. Well, anyway, one of the things that women just
stopped doing.

Speaker 1 (37:31):
Yeah, yes, but exactly.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
They will say it with something like nobody appreciated. Well,
you're the ones who stopped doing it. Yeah, Like the
appreciation is in seeing what you've created become, you know,
like brought together. M hm, right, and you didn't appreciate that,
so you sacrificed it for a cubicle job.

Speaker 1 (37:57):
Yeah. Yeah, although I see a lot of that on X.
But I don't know if you guys notice that, Like
whoever's listening in here, I have been looking through X
every morning or whenever I get a chance. I'll scroll
through X randomly, and I'll look for like misandress posts,
of which there are many. There's a lot of anti
male posts on X, and but what I'll do is

(38:20):
I'll look to see the posts, and then I'll go
to that person's page and ever since Elon Musk has
basically made it to where you can look at where
the posts are coming from. I see a majority, not totality,
but a majority of those posts are coming from women
not from the West at all. They're like in Nigeria

(38:41):
is for some reason a lot of Nigerian women, the
Middle East of some kind like in a subscure way,
the United Arab Emirates, Israel. They're always like somewhere like
not America, East Asia, South Asia, India, a lot of
Indian women women are saying some really like anti male stuff. Yeah,
I think it's like a majority India and and Africa that.

Speaker 2 (39:06):
The places also have some bureaulents.

Speaker 1 (39:08):
Yes, I know, but they're but they're but they're if
you're an American and you see it, they're yeah, just
so they're they're kind of pretending to be American. It's
they're not. Because like the thing is that there's some
posts that you'll see like on the front page of
the profile, it'll say something about like it'll have like
a place in America in their name, like New York

(39:29):
or something, or they'll tell they'll they'll have like the
location icon, you know, that arrow thing, and it'll be
like you know, it'll be like be like New York
City or LA. But then you click on their location
and it's like India or Israel and they pick the
photo will be like a cartoon drawing of a woman
or like a white woman or something. So I there

(39:49):
is I think there's a degree of deception going on,
Like there's a degree of scheming going on. What was that, Edgar?

Speaker 13 (39:56):
And they're already in English.

Speaker 1 (39:58):
Yeah, And they're already in English with English with American slang,
like they're like, you know that exactly, Carl, go ahead,
Do I have to like give you permission again?

Speaker 5 (40:10):
You don't want to do that?

Speaker 2 (40:13):
Paid subvertive maybe, although I seem to find the homegrown.

Speaker 4 (40:18):
Ones, Ye, have plenty of homegrown ones. But I think
given the type of organization that we are talking about
that a lot of them claim to be a member
of or claim to be part of, which they don't
generally speak and understand anyway and know sod all about,

(40:39):
they're more likely to be paid subvertives if the description
of where they are is entirely different to where they
in fact are. Yeah, seems logical to me.

Speaker 1 (40:55):
Yep. These are all places where you could get the
cheap labor. Do that true people do?

Speaker 2 (41:02):
I think the Israeli ones are probably legit. Oh good lord,
I just talked once Scott.

Speaker 1 (41:12):
I yeah, and some of them, look, some of them
are not. Like like I said, it's just like it's
just remembering that these people are. They could be from anywhere,
And I think what as as Westerners, we might see
it written in perfectly English and think that's an American
because it's in English and I'm getting it in my feed.
But then you look and they're like, oh no, that's

(41:33):
that person is in Like I just saw one now,
uh that said first point of four B is no
sex with men. This male implied that four B would
cease to exist if men so wished, So males will
resort to coercion and rape because somebody. They're responding to
somebody who said friendly reminder that the so called for
B movement only exists because men allow it to exist

(41:55):
and would cease to exist if men so wished, which
I mean, I don't think that's an true claim. But
when I clicked on that person, they are from South
Korea or at least well East Asia and Pacific, so
like that. Yeah, So probably that's m.

Speaker 2 (42:11):
Yeah, oh, I was treating the content seriously. Go ahead,
what do you mean, Well, it calls out the feminist framing,
which is men have control over everything. Well then yeah,
if if you accept that, then the reason why the
four B movement functions is because men have chosen to

(42:33):
allow it to by not using the principal tool of
the patriarchy that them to say men use in order
to uphold society, which is rape.

Speaker 14 (42:45):
Yeah, collective membership card, my patriarchy card is a is No.

Speaker 2 (42:58):
That's the thing. The feminists proposed that the functional tool
of patriarchy is rape. That's how men uphold the system
that benefits them expensive women. And yet here we have
all of these sex strikes indicating like a rebellion against
the world order, and patriarchy just sits there like Oculus

(43:21):
on his throne.

Speaker 4 (43:23):
We wait, so when they give us the explanation, Aliston,
what's their explanation for force penetration?

Speaker 2 (43:34):
What surprise sex that he didn't really wanted? Yeah, this
is why I love those stats. It's like they love
to argue that domestic violence that women engage in is defensive,
but it's really hard to argue defensive rape.

Speaker 1 (43:57):
Yeah, so they have.

Speaker 2 (43:58):
They have very few why they hate them so much?
I love how long.

Speaker 4 (44:03):
It's pretty difficult to have a defense for well, I
was abused for years. My husband invited me around with
the rest of the family for a male I just
went to the hardware store and bought a hammer and
put it in my hat back and repeatedly struck him
on the back of the head with my handbag. Yeah,
that's a hard one to cut away as well.

Speaker 2 (44:25):
Pretty sure they have though.

Speaker 1 (44:28):
You know what else is weird? Not only is it
weird that we get like on X at least so
I'm just talking about X because X is the only
place where I can look up a location. Another thing
that's weird is the number of women who make like
really misinterests uh anti male posts and then in their
replies because they're using it as rage bait, I guess

(44:49):
they put their only fans link they they linked to
their only fans right underneath their anti male tirade, Like
this person named Jinx said on I stop asking me
for relationship advice. If it was up to me, all
these men would be locked in my basement eating milk
off a fork. So essentially, like just like it's straight

(45:10):
up and then.

Speaker 2 (45:11):
Underneath that, by the way, here's my only fans.

Speaker 4 (45:18):
If you guys are in the major industry, you should
understand that.

Speaker 2 (45:25):
Yeah, yeah, there is no bad press, right, you know,
I just can't believe men.

Speaker 1 (45:29):
Would stoop that low, well.

Speaker 2 (45:34):
Would sign onto an only fans.

Speaker 1 (45:35):
There are definitely men that would. But but the thing is, well,
a lot a lot of that is also like not
Western guys. But we but again we don't we do
you know, we don't know that, like we just go
with the Okay, not wanting to trans date trans women

(45:56):
is transphobia.

Speaker 13 (45:59):
As the effectiveness of that marketing strategy, it's probably non zero, but.

Speaker 5 (46:05):
Not necessarily as effective as other avenues.

Speaker 1 (46:07):
Yeah right, I think actually I think that maybe I'm wrong,
but I think that the women who are probably do
best with OnlyFans, or at least the ones who pretend
to like men. But I don't know.

Speaker 4 (46:24):
I think there's a large market of men that like
to be dishpiked.

Speaker 5 (46:27):
M h.

Speaker 2 (46:31):
Yeah. So Stacy Carlton says most of the countries he
named have active extreme feminist groups anyways, plus the languages
they teach tim to include English, and when you consider
how popular American culture is there it actually makes sense. Yeah,
I mean it's probably a combination of people who are
rage baiting in order to get engagement funds and genuine articles,

(46:52):
especially when you're talking about India. Holy people in Nigeria
are probably just more likely to be after the funds,
I think, yeah, because I'm not sure if feminism is
quite as strong, but I could be corrected.

Speaker 1 (47:12):
Maybe you know this thing where they've been paying people
on x for like basically getting enough engagement of their posts.
I think it invites this stuff, this rage bait, because
it's a good way to go viral to say something.
So if it is rage bait, at the very least
there's an acknowledgment that this is not that this is
something that if you said it it would get a
negative reaction. Souse. I think if people were indifferent to

(47:36):
miss injury online, then it wouldn't be something that could
make you some money as someone who's engaging in you know,
I guess you know rage bait.

Speaker 4 (47:46):
So I don't know your points about your points about
it spreading to Nigeria or anywhere else. There are certain
conscious that once they stopped spreading in an ever.

Speaker 1 (47:56):
Stop Yeah, m all right, let me see what the
chat is saying here.

Speaker 13 (48:08):
The Reality, the Honey Badger Radio, Chuch of Gold, You're
good luck, Chuck.

Speaker 1 (48:15):
Of people you've had on as guests, seems to work.

Speaker 13 (48:22):
With the Collins.

Speaker 1 (48:24):
Yeah, it's somewhat viral.

Speaker 2 (48:26):
What I mean, the Colins, the Malcolm.

Speaker 1 (48:31):
Yeah, which ones? Wait, I'm I'm I missed it Malcolm
and oh yeah, Malcolm and Simone went viral. Yes, I
saw that. I actually they they were. I mean, I
don't know if they're really big, but they were decent
signs when I found them. And I'm actually going to
talk to them again in January. We're gonna have them

(48:52):
back on because they made a video saying the men's
rights movement was right, and you know, and I knew
that we were, but but they acknowledged it. And they're
because they're like their primary focus is pro natalism, right,
but they're also interested, like they're really nerdy, Like these
are really nerdy people. But I like them. But yeah,

(49:14):
they went viral for different reasons, so which I think
are pretty funny. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (49:20):
Yeah, well you I remember you predicted it on the
actual show or after during the after show You're like, yeah, well,
enjoy being launched. Into the stratosphere now, something like that
after the after the show at the Yeah, I think
it was in the after show. Yeah, and yes, Yeah,

(49:41):
it's interesting, isn't it.

Speaker 1 (49:42):
Yeah? You ever played you ever played a video game
where it's like two player co op, right, and there
are sections where or maybe there's like a player an
and an NPC that you're escorting, and there are sections
where you need to get up to like a high
place or across something and you have to like assist
the other player to go to the other area. That's
what we do. Only we just are the person that

(50:04):
gives you a boost. You know, where Chris at the
bottom and Sheva is everybody who comes at our show
and you give him a boost up. That's I don't
know if you recognize a reference, but basically there, it's
multiple you know, video games have that mechanic, and that's
what we do. We give you the boost, We throw
you over the gap, you know, we build the bridge

(50:25):
and then you go across it. Yeah, I guess it's something.

Speaker 2 (50:29):
Probably people probably don't remember this, but we had shoe on.
I think this was prior to you.

Speaker 1 (50:34):
Oh yeah, yeah, no, I was around. No, I was
around for Shoe. I was around for Shoe and Sargon.

Speaker 2 (50:41):
She was under I think she was.

Speaker 1 (50:44):
She was like at yeah, I think she was, yeah,
under twenty thousand for sure.

Speaker 2 (50:49):
Well I know that she was under Karen at that point. Yeah,
and Karen probably was around one hundred thousand or so.
And Sargan came on a yeah, sar gon on.

Speaker 1 (51:01):
We used to have Blair White on all the time.
Blair White was on all the time, and she was
a regular, like like we were, you know, we would
just do shows with her. And now Blair White hangs
out with Roseanne Barr and shit like she so and
that's cool, you know, but like I said, you know,

(51:22):
it's just it. I guess we all have our part
to play.

Speaker 2 (51:25):
Yep. And uh, we had Jordan Peterson on Jordan Peterson, Yeah,
but he was he was starting to blow up at
that It was after the it was after the free speech.

Speaker 1 (51:36):
Thing at that college campus, but it was still we
got even higher.

Speaker 2 (51:41):
Yeah, so I don't I don't think that we necessarily boosted.

Speaker 1 (51:44):
Him, but we we also like, well, yeah, there was
a number of people. Definitely a thing that happens.

Speaker 2 (51:52):
So as long as you're not into men's issues, primarily,
we'll give you a huge boost. Yeah, if you are okay,
you're gonna be with us, uh, you know, sitting in
the sitting on the beach watching everyone else surf.

Speaker 4 (52:09):
Basically, Hey, check here directs.

Speaker 1 (52:15):
Are you sending? Did you send one?

Speaker 2 (52:17):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (52:18):
I have to like open it up over here. Hold on, okay,
hold on? Oh I need a pass code out and
I can't look at it. For some reason, it's telling
me I can't. I can't. You you protected the ship out.

Speaker 2 (52:31):
Of it, corrected the No, I didn't demand it, I do.

Speaker 1 (52:35):
All right, all right, let me let me look it's
in discord.

Speaker 2 (52:40):
Yeah, just don't read it out loud.

Speaker 1 (52:44):
I'm kidding.

Speaker 2 (52:49):
I think that might work.

Speaker 1 (52:50):
Nope, that didn't work.

Speaker 2 (52:52):
What the hell? Okay? Oh wait.

Speaker 1 (52:59):
That one? Okay, yeah that worked? Yeah, all right, I
go to the bottom here. I had to make it funny.
Is this what you sent? Oh? Yes, yeah, I guess so. Yeah, okay,

(53:24):
I'm not gonna say it on on stream, but yes,
you're right. I see that we have another person that
joined us, Brian Botch TV. Welcome and Merry Christmas. All right,
let's see who's this.

Speaker 2 (53:46):
Oh, if you guys want to send us a message
to the Badger dot com slash just the tip. I
guess I'll poke the boles and see what comes out.

Speaker 1 (53:54):
Yeah, do it?

Speaker 4 (53:55):
Okay, I do apologize. I couldn't help myself. I have
a terrible sense of humor.

Speaker 1 (54:08):
That's all right.

Speaker 2 (54:09):
I didn't even get to see it.

Speaker 1 (54:11):
It's still there.

Speaker 2 (54:13):
Okay, Well, I guess i'll see it afterwards.

Speaker 1 (54:17):
Did you use AI to make that? Hello? I have
something important to Oh? Yeah, never mind.

Speaker 4 (54:27):
Sorry, we'll be choking at a I shall make well.

Speaker 1 (54:31):
Oh, I never mind, that's old. There was another private
message from the sixteenth, but I got the I got
the later one. It was like some guy talking all right,
so no sweat, Yeah, let me just go back to well,

(54:53):
I'll just leave that open. That's fine, all right. So
let's see what else you guys are saying here. So
Stacy Carlton said, for we started in Korea. Yes, yes,
we know. And the comment I believe it doesn't say Korea.
It says like, uh, East Asia. But I assume that's

(55:15):
Korea because I know the Forbi movements from Korea. Although
it it's just what they call it. I mean, it's
basically just another feminist movement. It's just catered to that
particular culture. But it's actually not that different from feminist
movements anywhere else because they all have the same criticisms
or like claims at least so before Yeah, the Forbi

(55:37):
movement isn't I don't like they say it's like really radical.
I think it's just typical. Maybe it's radical to the
Korean culture like they see it that way. Maybe, but
I don't know. I hear the dog, all right, anyone
requesting to speak, stop your hand or let me know.

(56:03):
Let me see what you guys are saying in the chat.
Let's see, says Carlton. Most of the countries he named
have active extreme feminist groups anyways. Plus the languages they
teach tend to include English, and when you consider how
popular American culture is, this basically makes sense. Yeah, But

(56:25):
I think that there is another way to look at
it too, though. It's possible that if you see feminism
as not just like something that's isolated to certain countries
or certain cultures or languages, but rather a global project,
then and that's how I think it is, then it's
actually pretty easy to see that why wouldn't they collude

(56:47):
with each other to like basically try to spread the
same message everywhere at the same time, and then they
just use whatever language works. So like if because like
I think China, for example, and there are some people
who show up as being in China that also make
misinterests posts. But countries like China have their own version

(57:07):
of X, right, or I think Russia has a version.
Like certain countries might have their own social media that
is sort of like separate from our social media, and
they probably speak their own language, or there are just
parts of social media that are that language, Like if
you there's probably a Japanese part of X where everyone's

(57:29):
writing in Japanese, just like YouTube. But I think that
like I remember I watched a documentary a couple of
years ago and it was on a streaming site. I
don't remember which one, it was, either Amazon or Netflix,
and it was essentially talking about the new wave of
feminism that like the upcoming wave of feminism, and it

(57:52):
was basically a global project. It was a you know,
we're gonna bring women feminists of all nations together, So
like I could see them doing that because it is
a globalist thing. And if that's the case, then perhaps
there are social media sites or other sort of Internet

(58:13):
spots that are where they're doing the exact same thing
in those languages, and they're targeting those men in those
parts of the world and they're spreading that propaganda over
there as well, so that it looks like male man
hatred is or at least like you know, I guess

(58:33):
framing men as criminal is sort of like so ubiquitous
that a woman couldn't possibly ignore it because all the
women are saying it, and I think that's how that's
what it's designed to do. So it might just be
an ad for the only fans to come get whooped
by Sumara. Sure. Yeah, well, I think that women who

(58:57):
say like anti mail shit and then like posts are
only they're probably not part of a plot. They're probably
just using you know, marketing techniques. Let's see.

Speaker 6 (59:15):
Uh.

Speaker 1 (59:17):
Stacey Coulton says, Oh, No, Nigerian's especially probably tie with
Indians when it comes to that particular extreme. Yeah, I
found Nigerian. Nigeria is a relatively Christian country, but maybe
I'm thinking about the wrong one. It could be Ethiopia.
Murder of Crow says a fine two player co op
about a divorce couple. Is it takes two very fun.

(59:39):
Another one that's about to come out in February is
Re Animal. Yeah, I played it takes too. They're not divorced,
but they're planning on getting divorced, but I think by
the end of the game they get back together. So
it's pretty sweet.

Speaker 5 (59:53):
Britain is a Christian country as well.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Where the church for now? Where that is? Yeah, right
night motorcyclist says Iran is becoming progressive among the populace,
which is why they have constant riots. Iran used to
be pretty like modern, right, pretty like? Am I remembering

(01:00:20):
that right? Or am I thinking about a different country?
I think it was Iran in like the sixties looked
like you know, any Western country or modern Israel. Basically,
let's see, does anybody else have anything to say? Alison,

(01:00:40):
what are you doing? You're not playing the game? She's
just like, oh, well, I don't know. I mean, we're
doing the show. I feel like I'm the only one here.

Speaker 2 (01:00:51):
Yeah, I mean, oh no, I was, yeah, I was
supposed to interrupt you, just like earlier. You're like, yeah,
you never shut up.

Speaker 1 (01:00:58):
I got a request the rooster, rooster, go ahead, What
Merry Christmas? What's up? What's on? Your mind. What's your take?
I gave you permission. You should be good to talk now.

Speaker 4 (01:01:18):
Sometimes it's delayed, sadly.

Speaker 1 (01:01:20):
Yeah, it might depend on your ping.

Speaker 2 (01:01:28):
But I can't go back and do more more synth wave.

Speaker 1 (01:01:34):
But oh well he left me. Oh no, he's there,
he's can you can speak? You have to unmute. I
don't know if you've ever used this before, but you
should be the talk rooster.

Speaker 2 (01:01:44):
This is sort of a nice background though it's very
appropriate to the layout.

Speaker 1 (01:01:50):
Yeah, oh, I forgot to put the Christmas theme background.

Speaker 2 (01:01:57):
Uh better call camp ran bands Burger?

Speaker 1 (01:02:10):
Are you? Are you? Okay, let's do it. Let's he's
requesting again. All right, you've been approved, approved, go ahead.
Then you have your audio working, your microphone settings.

Speaker 5 (01:02:23):
You know?

Speaker 1 (01:02:24):
There you go?

Speaker 15 (01:02:25):
No, Twitter just hated my life. Oh okay, okay, Mary Christmas?
You guys, how y'all doing it good?

Speaker 1 (01:02:31):
How are you?

Speaker 2 (01:02:33):
I'll do Melancholy Hill by Gorillas?

Speaker 1 (01:02:36):
Okay, do you have any uh, what's up?

Speaker 5 (01:02:38):
It's just fixing to ask you?

Speaker 15 (01:02:39):
Could you could you revisit the last couple of sentences
you finished up with there, because I did have something
and all that technical ship went away and so the
thought kind of got fluttered.

Speaker 1 (01:02:51):
All Right, I forgot what I was talking about. We're
talking about Iran. Is that it all that?

Speaker 5 (01:02:56):
You were? Correct?

Speaker 2 (01:02:57):
Yeah?

Speaker 15 (01:02:57):
Yeah, when you said the ran in the seventies, Yeah, no,
it was fantastic. The chicks were hot, everything had color
to it, they had smiles on their faces, they drove
really cool cars, and like it was great. And then
the I think I believe it was the Ayatola overthrew
the shaw because Jimmy Carter said, bucket, we ain't gonna help,

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and then that was the end of all the cool shit.

Speaker 1 (01:03:20):
Yeah, so I guess I ran as seeing a resurgence
of that. So some people there haven't forgotten. That's what
somebody in the life chat said and I was just
remarking on that. But all right, are you familiar with
our content?

Speaker 15 (01:03:38):
I know, I know, honey Badger. I followed that and
I enjoyed that content quite a bit.

Speaker 2 (01:03:45):
Oh.

Speaker 1 (01:03:45):
The the X the post that Allison makes her arguments
with feminists.

Speaker 15 (01:03:49):
Online, Well, you know, always amusing to make their heads pop.

Speaker 2 (01:03:59):
Yeah, dude, a girl a lot of anger.

Speaker 1 (01:04:02):
Well, how are you gonna gotta get you gotta get
shipped done? That's what it takes.

Speaker 15 (01:04:08):
Well, you know, it's God's good for them, because Bonhopper
said that they have to feel that moment to have clarity, right,
because that willful blindness. It's not a lack of intelligence,
you know, they can obviously read and digest things and
understand them. It's a lack of moral clarity on even
how to look at the situation. So they gotta feel it.
We gotta piss them off a little bit and make

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them feel it.

Speaker 2 (01:04:30):
Mm hmm, God, I guess I'm a little bit of
a saddest. I do enjoy the triggering, the cognitive dissonance.

Speaker 1 (01:04:42):
Do you think that it's a good use of your
time or do you think it's a waste of time?

Speaker 2 (01:04:48):
Well, it satisfies me, so it's a good use.

Speaker 1 (01:04:52):
Yeah.

Speaker 4 (01:04:54):
The thing often it's not all the passion that your responding,
it's the high lights to those reading the threat.

Speaker 2 (01:05:04):
Yeah, when you humiliate people for their beliefs, the normal
the normal people take note of that because it really
is humiliation, humiliation that drives people's behavior in many cases. Yeah,
so they'll say, you know what, I'm not going to
even attempt to to these to make these arguments, and

(01:05:25):
then they have to resolve the cognitive dissonance, so they
start just figuring it out for themselves. I mean, bearing
is right to a degree.

Speaker 13 (01:05:35):
Hannah's tends to go until the person breaks internally.

Speaker 2 (01:05:40):
Yeah she's great.

Speaker 5 (01:05:42):
Well yeah, no, that's that's that's a very good thing.

Speaker 15 (01:05:45):
People think a psychotic break is a bad thing, but
it's literally a prerequisite.

Speaker 5 (01:05:49):
To having clarity and understanding it.

Speaker 12 (01:05:50):
Knewing.

Speaker 15 (01:05:51):
You have to have that moment in order to move
past it. So get them there as quick as you can.

Speaker 2 (01:05:56):
Yeah. I don't think I have Hannah's patience.

Speaker 1 (01:06:00):
Mm hmmm.

Speaker 2 (01:06:03):
So I just get them to argue with Grock.

Speaker 4 (01:06:09):
I tend to just slip held in Amerish right of them,
and they find that very annoying.

Speaker 2 (01:06:17):
Yeah m hm, Wow, this was not too difficult. There
we go. So that was although you guys couldn't hear
it because.

Speaker 1 (01:06:30):
I heard it. It was very low.

Speaker 2 (01:06:32):
Yea the sound so that we don't get hit by
the copyright, right, mm hmm you did. Okay, so they
can't the audience can't hear it unless you can pipe
it through X. But no, no, do you feel good.
I don't think that there's anything Christmas. Y.

Speaker 1 (01:06:54):
Let's see what else you guys are saying, do you
guys have any any any I don't know any thoughts
on like, uh, do you watch our videos at all?
Or do you just like see Alison stuff on X.

Speaker 5 (01:07:06):
I didn't. I was unaware of your video content.

Speaker 12 (01:07:08):
Bro.

Speaker 5 (01:07:09):
All of my social media is X and then I
do YouTube.

Speaker 1 (01:07:13):
Yeah, we're on YouTube. Our streams are long, but yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:07:17):
We're We're on YouTube. And I'm also the shorts. If
you ever watched the shorts that go through Twitter, they
are from the streams that we do. Yeah, where I
go through and destroy arguments at length.

Speaker 1 (01:07:34):
There you go.

Speaker 15 (01:07:36):
Yeah, oh well I just followed your YouTube. Fuck, I
was unaware of my apologies.

Speaker 1 (01:07:42):
No, I don't apologize. I appreciate it. Thank you. This
is an opportunity.

Speaker 5 (01:07:47):
Yeah, I was checking out.

Speaker 4 (01:07:49):
Yeah, I like that content, Brian, some of them along Chicken,
but they with it because I just have a habit
of destroying the arguments and great detail and.

Speaker 2 (01:08:02):
Getting really pissed. Yeah, shouty to.

Speaker 13 (01:08:10):
Follow between rainbows and all of them they destroy them. Well,
but death you have a degree of listening to some
of the worst tastes possible.

Speaker 1 (01:08:20):
Oh yeah, bring you some a rainbow shype?

Speaker 2 (01:08:24):
Yeah, But here's the thing. People constantly have this argument
that there exists some kind of academic feminism that isn't
absolut fuck my left hand screwed up because I hit
it's on the the the controller. Anyway, they have this
idea that there is some kind of academic feminism that

(01:08:47):
somehow not stupid. It's like, no, these these the logic
that the lay feminist is bringing to her arguments is
indistinguishable from the logic of acad feminism, which is just
as stupid and lacking in any kind of academic rigor.

(01:09:07):
Like literally, feminism is the deranged, lunatic ramblings of tumbler
mis interests with a academic patina. Sorry, hard to talk
while doing this, mm hmm. If you go to my

(01:09:28):
are the stream that me and Brian are doing on YouTube,
you'll see what I'm actually doing while I'm talking here. Yeah,
just failed again.

Speaker 15 (01:09:39):
If I do that, it'll kick me out of spaces
because excites my life.

Speaker 5 (01:09:43):
But the left hand thing, I'm sure it'll start working eventually.

Speaker 2 (01:09:50):
I'm actually able to do my level. Essentially, it's like
a form of VR aerobics, but to a beat with targets.
And when I talk I screw myself up.

Speaker 5 (01:10:09):
Yeah, as a dude, I don't know jack shit about aerobics.
I'm more of a strength guy.

Speaker 2 (01:10:14):
Like it's a feat like what is it called a
rhythm game?

Speaker 1 (01:10:20):
Yeah, it's a rhythm VR game that she's playing. Okay,
so let's see what you guys are saying in the
live chat over here. The Butterscotch Wolve says, I'm still here,
by the way, I'm just busy playing Pokemon Legends. Murder
of Crows says it's low and the conbo is up top.

(01:10:43):
The whole soundscape is just fine, as is Jim Bottle says,
I like Alice's passion. Karen is undisguisedly board these days,
but I think she said everything that she needed to say.
So yeah, and you know, I think that that Karen
is like getting to the point where she's like repeating

(01:11:03):
herself and I understand, like, you know why that that
gets exhausting. But the problem is, of course, the arguments
are not evolving, like they're making the same ones, and
people are buying into it. And I know that what
it comes down to is what feminists are making arguments
for are not things that are true, But there are
things that they really really really really really want to

(01:11:25):
be true. So they're just gonna keep believing it and
trying to will it into being or manifest it or whatever. Right,
and that Unfortunately that's just feminine thinking, but that is
what they do, so and that's why we have to
wrestle with the fucking.

Speaker 2 (01:11:42):
Wrong there.

Speaker 1 (01:11:43):
So let's see.

Speaker 2 (01:11:49):
I think our arguments are evolving, even if the feminist
arguments aren't.

Speaker 1 (01:11:54):
Yeah.

Speaker 15 (01:11:56):
No, I definitely think we're getting better loose edating reality.
I think we used to just assume that these things
were so self evident.

Speaker 12 (01:12:06):
That we were baffled by how.

Speaker 15 (01:12:08):
They perceived them. But I think we've come to a
point now where we talk about.

Speaker 5 (01:12:13):
Them a lot more clearly now that.

Speaker 15 (01:12:14):
They can't poke holes in that, which is why their
head is shorting the way it does so quickly.

Speaker 11 (01:12:23):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 2 (01:12:25):
It's also again they're also engaging in more and more
overt movement. Yeah, guessing I'm hitting something, dude.

Speaker 15 (01:12:39):
You know, I got to thinking, was there ever a
positive to feminism?

Speaker 5 (01:12:44):
And I thought about it. No, No, listen, I get it. No, no,
no outward positive.

Speaker 15 (01:12:49):
But okay, so if you've ever done any lifting, you
understand a negative resistance training and how that builds and
grows your muscle as well. And so I actually started
to think about it, like, well, what is the negative
resistance training of feminism? And you know what it is
is we always had the misconception that women were better

(01:13:12):
nurturers for the family, better at taking care of the children,
and all of these things.

Speaker 5 (01:13:16):
What feminism actually did.

Speaker 15 (01:13:18):
Was it gave us a second to see because we
were scrutinized as dad's like to be a single parent dad,
you were one hundred percent scrutinized. And so the light
was really shined on the fact that single parent dad
households actually turn out better children than single parent mom households,
and we really haven't had in history to get that contrast.

(01:13:42):
So it almost destroys that myth of female parental nature
that would some way be automatic positive by the sheer
gender dynamics.

Speaker 2 (01:13:55):
Yep, well, there is one thing. I mean, feminism did
open up a lot of questions about our identities that
were otherwise hidden in these sort of traditional structures. But
that's not really a like, you know, breaking the vase

(01:14:19):
so that you can, I don't know, see the secret
message on the inside. I mean it's probably something that
had to happen, But like, I don't think that the
amount of grift and lying and destruction, it's hard to say.

Speaker 15 (01:14:38):
Well, the magnitude of destruction on the reflection, like one
hundred years from now, when we reflect on this, that
the magnitude of destruction will be such a holding fort
against moving back to those ideologies that I think it
might do us some good for at least a few
hundred years.

Speaker 4 (01:14:55):
Couldn't you liking it to opening Pandora's Box?

Speaker 10 (01:14:59):
Yeah, definitely, because what it tore down were the superstructures
that were underlying all of the Western democracies. Uh, the
the concepts of democracy have a lot of assumptions of
how the people interact and how the people operate in
the world, the rational man, and the superstructures that are

(01:15:22):
supposed to be there, the identities that people have and
the you know, carrying abouture community and whatnot, that it's
all assumed.

Speaker 13 (01:15:29):
Without those torn apart, It's part of the failure that
we're seeing is there's nothing to redrive those things without
that inherent structure there.

Speaker 1 (01:15:41):
Yep, I just gave Box TV permission to speak, So
go ahead, Brian.

Speaker 9 (01:15:51):
I wanted to ask you guys, actually, what was like,
now that we're towards the end of the year pretty
much there already, Uh, what was like one of your
favorite like things to cover in terms of maintaining frame, Like,
what was one of the most outlandish ones? I mean,
you guys cover some pretty outlandish takes from you know,

(01:16:12):
Rainbow Kiwi and Drama Clean and all these other weird
people that have all these just outlandish takes on men
and life and stuff.

Speaker 5 (01:16:23):
So what was one of.

Speaker 2 (01:16:24):
The ones landish? Honestly, it would be the recent UK
initiative and it's not really outlandish, especially irresponsible, like what
you guys probably well, I don't know if anybody went
to our actual in person event in Calgary this year,
but unfortunately I was playing. I had Prim. You don't

(01:16:51):
you guys know Prim Many of you may not. She
she's actually a men's issues sympathetic therapist who works with
the the Canadian Center for Men and Families, And we
had her and a Monique, who is the head of
the Parental Alienation Organization in Canada, so she's fighting to

(01:17:14):
get parental alienation recognized as a legal harm or a harm,
and had them both watch adolescents and it didn't occur
to me at the time, but Monique was severely like
triggered by it in a legitimate way because she has
an issue with the sexual exploitation of children, which or

(01:17:41):
or that that kind of institutional plus over sexualization of
children as potential like as something harmful, and she unfortunately
had she really struggled with adolescents and those scenes with
the therapist a using the the the boy and of

(01:18:03):
course it's supposedly all justified because he is a murderer, right,
and yet this what we're depicting is institutional abuse of
a boy, and it has a very sexualized connotation in
the story. So it's it's a it's a situation where
an adult is manipulat over exposing a child to sexual

(01:18:24):
content and sexual innuendo and sexual questioning, plus abusing her authority,
plus being emotionally abusive and manipulative.

Speaker 4 (01:18:34):
And.

Speaker 2 (01:18:36):
The presentation of the boy as an adult threat is
really to justify all of the abuses being heaped on him.
Is disturbing to stay the least. And unfortunately, like I said,
Monique was having trouble with that, and I feel bad
because I exposed her to it, not realizing I should
have realized that. But yeah, that that whole sequence adolescence

(01:19:00):
is profoundly institutionally irresponsible and on a therapeutic level, it
is horrific to see something like that, on a level
where you actually recognize that children deserve protection by adults, Yeah,
that's just grotesque. And it's basically institutionalizing a form of

(01:19:20):
aggressive smothering, sexualized oversight over boys. And what they're doing
in the UK is they're formalizing it, they're turning it
into policy, and that's just it's sickening and it's such
an insane thing. And the other thing is that there's

(01:19:40):
a whole bunch of parents of girls in the UK
that are for this. I think the UK really has
a problem with garnocentrism. But regardless, the thing is that
the interventions that these bureaucrats are advancing have no basis.
They don't do anything. In fact, they probably do worse.

(01:20:03):
Like if you didn't do them, girls would probably be
more protected, boys would be less likely to engage in
anti social violence against girls if you didn't do them,
if you just let the boys alone. So these programs
are not just not doing anything to solve the problem.
Probably making it worse, and these bureaucrats are pushing it
because they're make work jobs. So these UK parents are

(01:20:27):
applauding throwing money down a drain for something for interventions
that will probably make the problem worse, not better, if
it does anything at all. So even on the level
of do you care about your you know, you don't
give a crap about your sons. Do you care about
your money because it's being flushed down the toilet And

(01:20:50):
that was probably the most outrageous thing this year. Do
you have anything, Brian, I.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
Think you cut well. My answer was gonna be everything
to do with the adolescent thing, the only thing I
would add to it. It wasn't just that the show
itself was I don't know if the show itself was awful,
and what was putting out there was awful, and it
was put out there by a guy who clearly had
some kind of like unresolved trauma that he wants to

(01:21:18):
blame on men everywhere instead of addressing it personally. And
it's causing governments all over the West to like start
programs specific to address this issue which doesn't exist, and
it's going to end up attacking you know, people who
are obviously like innocent yeah boys, Yeah, like innocent boys.

(01:21:42):
So I'm even more concerned about what Okay, I just
gave permission to sun Archer to talk. I'm more concerned
about what this is going to mean legislatively. And the
other thing too, is that you know, people who are
who want to be abusive are going to be abusive.
Like you're not going to be able to teach them
to be that. That's just not how it works and

(01:22:02):
it was never that way. So the only people you're
gonna punish are innocent people who had never had any
intention of harming anyone. And it's gonna cost a lot
of taxpayer dollars, which is gonna come out of the
pockets of men. So like it's just like, yeah, that's
probably the most ridiculous thing that I think, and I
guess most infuriating because it's actually going to im And

(01:22:24):
the one thing about the show that really pisses me off, okay,
is that the actual if you guys have heard of
the show, is called Adolescence and it's supposedly like how
you know, rape culture is created through social media and
it and it all goes back to these like Manisphere
influencers like Andrew Tate, which is who they use as
their stand in. Like, if Andrew Tate died tomorrow of

(01:22:46):
a heart attack, they've just replaced him with some other
guy that's vocal and has an opinion online, So it
doesn't matter who it is. So like, if you have
a problem with Andrew Tate, I would say, stow it
because it's irrelevant, because it doesn't It's not about that.
It's about stopping sensible people like us who are trying
to talk about this stuff from like an actual productive perspective.
But because our position criticizes the status quo, which is

(01:23:08):
their position, which is the feminist position, which is the
default position for every country, then yeah, they have to
go after the straw man, whatever it is, and then
use that as the pretense to essentially, like, you know,
go after boys and try to like re educate them
and weaken them and hobble them, and which they're already
doing in a number of other ways, you know, with

(01:23:30):
the way that they've torn the family down and everything.
And then the framework of the show, that is what
I was trying to get at before it pisses me off.
The framework of the show is literally taking the ideal situation,
which is a boy growing up in a house with
a mother and a father that love him, and they're
making that the problem. So the way that they conclude
is it's the father that is the problem in the series,

(01:23:53):
which is literally the opposite of reality, Like if you
want a dysfunctional child, then take the father out of
the home and that's what you get. But that they
don't want that to be the reality because they like
the idea that there's an entire population of young men
and girls who don't know who their father is and
are therefore become dependent on the state, so that the

(01:24:14):
state becomes more powerful, and that's what they want to push.
That's the narrative, right. So that's the other thing about
adolescents is that it is based on a lie. It
is it is pathologizes and criminalizes normal boyness, it criminalizes fatherhood,
and then they use these lies and this misrepresentation to

(01:24:36):
write and create legislation in various governments everywhere, like Australia
is starting to change things to like, you know, address
and I'm sure that they already had programs for this shit,
but they're going to try to tackle you know, violence
against girls in school, you know, and of course they
can't look at like what might actually be causing any issues,

(01:24:57):
but instead, no, no, no, let's not do that. Let's just
blame men. Let's just men whole cloth, because no one's
gonna take an issue with that. You can't get upset
about it. You can't call it an ism or a
phobia because it's just men. Right. Fuck those guys. They
did this, and so you can just pass new laws everywhere.
And they've done it the UK, in Europe, in Australia
and New Zealand, Canada, you know, I mean, hell, the

(01:25:21):
United States has it in a soft way, and the
only reason why they haven't gone as hard is because
we have the First Amendment. But even then, you know,
it doesn't really matter. If you go to schools as
a boy, you're going in a hostile territory. So maybe
box TV wanted something a little bit more humorous, But
you asked us for the most ridiculous thing, So that's
my answer.

Speaker 9 (01:25:40):
No, Nah, you guys definitely answered it. I guess. I
guess the reason why I asked it is because some
of the stuff, especially the stuff that Allison has to
deal with, you know, being on Twitter and arguing with
god knows what, it just it just mind boggles me
that people can take an entire population, whether it's men

(01:26:01):
or women, and take it and like label it as bad.

Speaker 5 (01:26:08):
Entirely, you know.

Speaker 9 (01:26:11):
And I remember there was one person in a special
chat that was trolling you when you were talking about
I think it was I don't remember, yeah, yeah, And
the person was like, oh, well, the only people that
are worried about being me too are people that are
actually going to commit crimes and going to do those things.

(01:26:34):
And I'm like, well, technically, those people that we're going
to commit crimes were going to do it anyway. You're
not going to teach them not to because they're going
to do whatever the hell they want. Stuff like that
only hurts, you know, people who have no evil intentions, right,
you know. So it's it's I love it how they
kind of resort to that argument, Well, are you a.

Speaker 5 (01:26:57):
Person that likes to hurt women or you?

Speaker 15 (01:26:59):
Like?

Speaker 1 (01:26:59):
Yeah, And I'm like, why aren't you I'm going after
bad guys. Aren't you going after bad guys? Oh? You
must be like for the bad guys, because I go
after bad guys. I am adult, I go after bad people.
You are not going against bad people you go after.
You must go after good people. You must go after
the good people. These people are fucking morons, Carl and

(01:27:20):
the root the rooster has. The only way it works, Okay,
go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:27:26):
The only way it works is if you don't acknowledge
that women are capable of using these powers for bad intent. Yes,
like literally, that's the only way. So what they're really
saying is you are questioning my deification of women and
my refusal to see that they are human beings, and

(01:27:46):
human beings have evil intent. So you know they have
the same amount of evil intent as men, Which is
why I always share the studies that I share is
that millennial women use weapons three two to three times
times more often than any other generation or millennial men
to force sex. Shall we say that's astounding, ye, But

(01:28:09):
regardless that that that pushes at this whole idea of
the deification of women as saints or or morally blameless.
And so when when somebody says, you can't, we have
to just we can't. We can't when you when you
question me too, or you question giving even more powers

(01:28:32):
to remove due process for men accused of rape and
sexual assault, when you question those things. They can't acknowledge
that these are powers that could be used in bad ways,
that you're granting people who are potentially rapists, false accusers,

(01:28:53):
people who will use false accusations for political reasons or revenge,
that you're handing them a weapon, because in order to
do so, you would have to recognize that women will
use things as weapons, and of course they can't do it,
so they default onto you will. Well, you you just
you just want to defend yourself because you are a

(01:29:16):
bad man.

Speaker 1 (01:29:18):
Yeah, it's like, okay, So be Real had requested to speak.
I'm gonna let him talk and then I'm gonna let
Carl and the Rooster talk, So go ahead, be Real.
Is your microphone working?

Speaker 2 (01:29:32):
I'm gonna have to get going here for because I
got a few things I need to do before.

Speaker 1 (01:29:37):
Yeah, we gotta wrap it up soon. I'd like to
get back to my life, but I'm gonna let you
guys have your say, So be Real? Can you talk?
Can I talk? Can you hear me? Yeah? Yeah we
can hear you. Have you guys heard.

Speaker 6 (01:29:50):
About the Green Party in England had introduced a law
that if you argue or talk, talk down or man
spleen Uh to the other vendor that you might be
prosecuted or fired.

Speaker 1 (01:30:08):
I covered it. It was a it was a Green
Party internal policy that they had we covered on the
New Show like two weeks ago, where if you disagreed
with a woman, you could like lose your position within
the party. Like it's sort of like getting fired or
kicked out. Yes, like you couldn't you You literally couldn't
disagree with a woman. That's the rule. If the Green

(01:30:31):
Party could make it a law, they probably would.

Speaker 2 (01:30:35):
Oh.

Speaker 12 (01:30:36):
I had a conversation with Grok, right, you guys know
the AI Gronk.

Speaker 5 (01:30:39):
Yeah, ask Grock if it's possible.

Speaker 6 (01:30:41):
If that can come out of the inside party and
be voted on to go through system wide, and it
said it is possible with a couple of votes in
a couple of past motions.

Speaker 1 (01:30:52):
Yeah, of course.

Speaker 6 (01:30:55):
Yeah, especially when it comes to the UK and uh
and that new law teaching boys about misogyny mm hmm.

Speaker 16 (01:31:03):
It's just adding on top of the what can boys
do nowadays?

Speaker 1 (01:31:07):
Like what can men do?

Speaker 2 (01:31:08):
Uh?

Speaker 1 (01:31:09):
Approach, can't see, can't look.

Speaker 16 (01:31:15):
It's just the list goes on, like, were there any
communication that a boy or a man is able to
or trying to do that happens to do with anything,
if anything, without being accused of anything.

Speaker 1 (01:31:27):
No, yep, Okay, So I'm gonna.

Speaker 2 (01:31:33):
Let what well, yeah, let's let the next person talk.

Speaker 1 (01:31:37):
I'm gonna let I'm gonna let people get their last
words out and then we'll we'll uh wind it down. Okay, Carl,
go ahead, you have your handout.

Speaker 4 (01:31:47):
It was probably more relevant earlier on, but it kind
of speaks to everything. Statistically, we have to conceive that
as individuals, men and women are abuse. The studies, even
the things where people have confessed in surveys to things
that they've done, speak volumes. I always liken it to

(01:32:11):
the fact that if you break your leg or multiple
bones in your leg and you go to the doctor,
the doctor doesn't just fix one of those bones because
your legs still eate going to work. He fixes both
of them. And when they tried to bring all this
legislation into the UK ages and ages ago, when the
Istanbul Convention was being read and they were trying to

(01:32:34):
pass that, my expression was, it's va all or nothing
at all. You've got to protect all victims because if
you don't protect all victims, you create more victims.

Speaker 15 (01:32:50):
M m m.

Speaker 2 (01:32:52):
Yeah, that actually is pretty much born out by what
the nonsense that they're trying to push in legislation and
policy around domestic violence and sexual assault. These interventions don't work,
they're just ideological noise. And we actually have interventions now
that are showing greater and greater levels of reducing recidivism.

(01:33:16):
So for example, the ACTV intervention, which shows something like
a fifty percent reduction in recidivism along the tightest parameter,
which is victim reports, and we are not pursuing that
like institutionally, we don't have the will to actually protect

(01:33:37):
and all right now I'm just talking about female victims
of domestic violence because of feminism, we don't have the
institutional will to properly protect female victims of domestic violence. Now,
this is not the most astounding thing like you were
talking about, like the one that just floored me, because
I think I figured this out in the Johnny Depp

(01:33:57):
versus Amber Herd case, which I think was in two
was it or is it twenty three?

Speaker 1 (01:34:04):
I think it's twenty.

Speaker 2 (01:34:05):
Twenty three, twenty three so or something like that, and
I realized there was like a like just this moment
where all the pieces came together, and I realized feminists
don't care about female victims of anything. They just care
about how they can use them to make money.

Speaker 1 (01:34:26):
Yep.

Speaker 2 (01:34:27):
And they're literally sacrificing female victims. They're looking at this
information the ACTV intervention, which is non feminist, and it
works because the non feminist basically said, okay, well, let's
look at all the potential interventions and figure out which
one actually works, and then we we'll pursue that and

(01:34:47):
we'll refine it. And that's what they did. So it
was an iterative, actually empirical process that they followed, and
now they have an intervention that works really well, like
fifty percent reduction and recidbus is an incredible result. And again,
no institutional will to pursue this and actually protect female

(01:35:09):
victims of domestic violence because it would require challenging feminist orthodoxy.
So right now, feminism has no claim to moral authority
in any capacity, not even along the line of protecting women.
And again these interventions are being proposed. Variations on the

(01:35:35):
feminist interventions that have already been shown to fail to
produce any significant reduction in recidivism for adult perpetrators are
now being proposed to be applied to boys, and they
won't work. They're a waste of money and they'll most
likely make things worse if they don't if they do

(01:35:56):
anything at all, Like there's two options. They do nothing.
They make things worse. That's what you get. And all
they do. All they benefit is bureaucrats by creating make
work projects that have absolutely they have absolutely no oversight.
So they're just gonna spend money on consulting and research

(01:36:19):
and they're not gonna do fucking all. They're just gonna
consume their salaries while producing nothing because they can't produce anything.
They can't produce the results. They were saying something like
a fifty percent reduction in violence against women. Bullshit. Nothing
that they're proposing is gonna move the needle even one
iota in the direction that people wanted to move. It's

(01:36:43):
completely fun, it's completely fraudulent science. And yet they're going
to get this is what this is what it helps.
He gets feminist bureaucrats jobs. That's what this entire apparatus
is for, is simply to make sure that feminist beuer
demaucrats get jobs. It that's all it does. It's like

(01:37:04):
a yes, minister, or yes, yeah, yes minister. The uh,
the the the hospital that exists only to give hospital
administrators jobs because it's never seen a single patient. That's
what this entire boondoggle is, and nobody wants to call
it out because what feminism is good at is describing

(01:37:28):
eddy form of critique of feminism as some kind of
moral failing, which is astounding if you think about it,
and blaming the victim. So if these interventions don't work,
which they won't, feminism will simply blame the next iteration
of Andrew Tate that comes around, and like, I don't know,
he's getting a bit past his expiry date, so probably

(01:37:48):
two or two years, two three.

Speaker 1 (01:37:50):
Years next or somebody else. They're just gonna they just
pick a new boogeyman and it may be a real person,
but it doesn't matter that the purpose of it is
to basically make it to where people like gals can't
get anything done.

Speaker 2 (01:38:03):
So, yeah, because we have to constantly answer for people
we didn't create, we didn't platform, and we are actively
campaigning about against the conditions that make them. Yes, so
oh oh I got a answer for that? Well, no,
no intention of answering for that because it's not my
monkey's not my circus, right, But anyway, that's uh.

Speaker 1 (01:38:25):
That is I got another request to talk, so I'm
going to give it. And then.

Speaker 4 (01:38:32):
Logic and critical thinking are sadly dying. If not that very.

Speaker 1 (01:38:38):
That's very true, they're very rare. Uh, shadow Claw, you
wanted to say something, Yeah, I just wanted to ask
you guys a quick question.

Speaker 11 (01:38:48):
Uh, there's a Republican some woman who's trying to pass
a law that only requires a woman to name a
suspected father, so he has to pay for literally everything
including all medical expenses leading up to birth and afterwards.

Speaker 12 (01:39:05):
Men need to be heard.

Speaker 11 (01:39:06):
Did a video on this, and he even posted the
number on his screen so people can call over, and
and he told people not to be angry, but to
be calm and explain why this is bad, why it
harms men, and create some resistance against this and make

(01:39:28):
sure our voices are heard. And I can't remember the
name of the law she's trying to pass or the woman.

Speaker 12 (01:39:35):
Did you hear about this?

Speaker 1 (01:39:36):
Yeah? So I actually saw the video and I like
did some little bit of digging, and this is what
I learned. So you're talking about Congresswoman Ashley Hinson. It
appears that this is a mischaracterization or exaggeration of a
legislation introduced by Representative Ashley Hinson, a Republican representative of Iowa.

(01:40:00):
In early December twenty twenty five, she introduced the HR
six four four to two, titled the Supporting Healthy Pregnancy Act.
This bill amends federal child support laws to require biological
fathers to pay at least fifty percent out of pocket
medical expenses related to pregnancy and delivery, including health insurance premiums, deductibles,

(01:40:21):
and similar costs. The goal is to provide financial support
to pregnant mothers earlier than current laws allow, as child
support orders typically begin only after birth in most states.
Key points from the bill and hints and statements It
explicitly targets biological fathers, not presumed or legal fathers in
cases of disputed paternity, such as paternity fraud scenarios. It's

(01:40:45):
framed as a pro family and pro life measure to
promote responsible fatherhoods, help single mothers with pregnancy cause, and
encourage men to be involved from the start. Similar versions
of this idea have been part of her broader family
support packages. In previews is years, often co sponsored with
senators like Marco Rubio. There is no evidence in her
legislative record or public statements that she has pushed for

(01:41:08):
holding non biological men responsible for child support or for
policies that would force men to pay for children who
are not theirs. Her other bills focus on things like
expanding child tax credits, including for unborn children, maternal health care,
still birth prevention, and resources for pregnant students, generally aimed
at supporting mothers and families.

Speaker 2 (01:41:29):
So, yeah, it's still stupid, It's.

Speaker 1 (01:41:31):
Yeah, it's not perfect, but it doesn't sound like it's
as bad as this guy was making sound.

Speaker 2 (01:41:36):
Yeah, well, the problem is the more protections you give
women when they make these mistakes, which, incidentally, I keep
hearing from the majority of women that sex is horrible
and men are bad at it, So why do they
need so much access to it? Like, seriously, just close
your legs, stop doing something you don't find entertaining in
the first place. Go spend that money on, I don't know,

(01:41:58):
going to the fair or going to an amusement park,
because obviously, if you're gonna complain about sex this much,
it's not that important to you. Why do other people
have to fund it. And this is the other thing.
We need to stop babying women because of their choices,
like you need to feel the consequences of their shitty

(01:42:18):
choices so that they stop making them. Because this is
the problem. This isn't going to.

Speaker 4 (01:42:25):
Help Alison Alison accountability. It's a terribly dirty word.

Speaker 2 (01:42:30):
This isn't the problem because these women are most likely
having children with men who can't even pay these bills
like they're they're having children with these pookies who have
absolutely no income or all the income is fucking illegal.
And they have what how many mommy baby mamas.

Speaker 5 (01:42:51):
Like four or five?

Speaker 2 (01:42:53):
How are you going to get blood from a stone?
And the only way to stop that is not to
constantly underwrite it, but let women take it on the
fucking chin. You want to have a child baby with
a psycho? Fuck who's just making the world worse for
everyone else? You pay for it? What everybody have to
underwrite this these shitty guns. And the problem Okay, no offense.

(01:43:17):
The problem with Republicans is they have an absolute infactuation
with single mothers. Just like bure Democrats. They think that
making the world better is making the world better for
single moms. It isn't all of these. We refuse to

(01:43:37):
give single mothers anything, but you can go to a
nunnery and give birth and the kids will go up
for adoption. There wasn't that many of them, and now
we have an absolute explosion. And this is not just
a moral issue, this is a logistical issue. We can't
afford this. The number of single mothers increases year after

(01:44:00):
year after year. Stop incentivizing them with this kind of bullshit,
because if you what you incentivize, you get more of.
And what's decreasing is dual parent households who pay for
the single moms. And what's decreasing is young men, like
bachelor men with good jobs, who pay for the single moms.

(01:44:24):
So we are imploding based on the priorities, the financial
priorities that we have, which are destructive. Stop. Single moms
do not deserve your compassion or sympathy. How did okay? Again?
If you if there is a single mother okay who
got a commitment from a man who didn't have other

(01:44:45):
baby mamas, there was no establishment of the behavior prior
to doing this, If she'd got commitment from him, married
her said yes, I want children, and then some time
in like year five, he focks off for no apparent reason. Yeah, yeah,
she got screwed. She got royally screwed. How many single

(01:45:06):
mothers does that describe?

Speaker 9 (01:45:08):
Probably my mom and that's it.

Speaker 2 (01:45:12):
Yeah, yeah, you can give sympathy to women like that.

Speaker 12 (01:45:17):
Now, my mom, she fucked a married guy.

Speaker 2 (01:45:21):
But what about the women? What about the women? Every
other single woman who a single mother, who ends up
in the situation because of retarded choices that she would
have reconsidered if she didn't have a safety net, the

(01:45:43):
safety nets that we give women. And then and again,
this is a logistical thing. Eventually, once the uh single
mother uh number of single mother is unsustainable because the
people that are underwriting them, Like, our society has literally

(01:46:03):
declared war at stable two parent households and the formation
of relationships that result in that. Our society has decided
doesn't like that, and we're gonna declare war. So we're
basically have declared war on our plow horse. Like we're
a farmer that has a plow horse that works its

(01:46:24):
fields and we're out there in a fucking blind taking
potshots at it. We're declaring And then for some reason
we think the world is gonna be so much better
once we kill that damn plow horse. Right, That's how
stupid we are. And this is another manifestation of that stupidity.
We are focusing on incentivizing the wrong thing. We are

(01:46:44):
not focusing on incentivizing the thing that maintains our society
with a level of at the level that it is.
We're focusing on something that is an indulgence. Believe me,
all of that shit's gonna go if the if the
US finally destabilizes enough that nobody uses it as the

(01:47:06):
world reserve currency, that's gonna be gone instantly, Okay. And
so we can only do this because we can afford
to do it, and that's becoming more and more difficult
as the number of two parent households declines, number of
married men declines because they're the big plow horses. And
then after that it's single men, you know, as that

(01:47:31):
number gets squeezed and squeezed and squeezed and removed with
all of the rhetoric around how the average man is
not sufficient for the average woman. Okay, our actual tax
base and our ability to pay for single mother's declines,
and that's why they're bringing in to HB ones H
one b's because that's the other tax category that adds

(01:47:54):
significantly to the income tax. If you want, if the
Republicans want to keep powdering the asses of single mothers,
eventually you're just gonna have to import. You're gonna have
to import highly skilled immigrants because after married fathers, which
you have declared war on and you won't do anything

(01:48:16):
about in a legitimate significant manner, like I don't see
Republicans making this an issue a central issue. You gotta
to stop declaring war on the men who support your
entire society on a fundamental level. They need to start
kicking all of the feminism out. It's not happening a

(01:48:39):
little bit, not enough, not to the degree that we
do this. And if you don't do that, eventually you
will have to concede on immigration, because the only way
to pay for the single mothers that both parties are

(01:48:59):
fucking in love with is HB one H one bes.
If you're if you are destroying your actual productive engine,
which is married married married men. Okay, Okay, that's my rent.

Speaker 11 (01:49:20):
I'd like to take just a quick moment to tell
you about what happened because of the choices of my
single mother. She chose to get banged by a man
having marital issues. Uh, then she chose to eliminate him
out of my life. Then she became so overwhelmed she
held a knife to her chest and threatened to kill

(01:49:42):
herself if I didn't behave then chose a narcissistic asshole
as my stepfather who systematically tortured me for the rest
of my life.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
I'm sorry to hear it.

Speaker 12 (01:49:56):
That's a consequence of these single mothers.

Speaker 9 (01:50:03):
Yeah, it's it's really it's really unfortunate. And the one
argument that you always get is, well, stop having men
turn turn women into single moms. And it's like, well,
don't you have agency over your own body? Can't you
say no, I'm not going to have sex with this
dude that has no income, no, no, nothing, no no

(01:50:24):
anything like you know, but oh, of course that would
mean taking accountability for your own choices. I mean, it's
takes two to have sex, so you know, don't have
sex with somebody who's a bum.

Speaker 2 (01:50:38):
So how are how are men who are responsible supposed
to take make men who are irresponsible but highly attractive
to women? How are they supposed to stop that? Like
the men who you can't.

Speaker 1 (01:50:53):
You can't. You can't.

Speaker 2 (01:50:57):
There's no mechanism to stop it.

Speaker 1 (01:51:00):
You can't.

Speaker 9 (01:51:01):
I mean, that's it's just you just have to make
you as the woman and you as the man, both
of y'all have to make better choices on who you
end up getting into bed with.

Speaker 5 (01:51:10):
Category.

Speaker 2 (01:51:12):
It's a category area because they're basically saying, well, why
can't men. It's like, no, men as a group can't
have They have no ability unless you're saying that they
should be able to stop women from having sex with
men they find attractive. But are bums right? They have
the ability to prevent this. So they're saying that that

(01:51:32):
somehow men as a group bear responsibility for the decision
of Pooky and his baby mamas, Like, no, I don't.

Speaker 9 (01:51:43):
I don't have the control of other men. I have
the control of what I do with my what what's
in my pants?

Speaker 1 (01:51:49):
And that's it. Respon.

Speaker 2 (01:51:51):
Men aren't the ones going out and getting all of
these women pregnant.

Speaker 9 (01:51:56):
Right, have three or four different baby mamas and child
support and all this other crap benefits and all this
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (01:52:08):
But this has to be you have to acknowledge the
fact that women are capable of doing bad. Okay, I
gotta Brian, did you want to add anything? I did want?
I know, I went after the Republicans.

Speaker 1 (01:52:22):
I don't care. That's fine whatever, Now go after on please.

Speaker 9 (01:52:26):
That's that both parties are doing things that are probably
not good. So it doesn't matter what party it is.

Speaker 6 (01:52:35):
Yeah, they're all in the same boat and they're all
doing the exact same thing.

Speaker 12 (01:52:40):
Well, Alex a really good point.

Speaker 11 (01:52:42):
She pointed out the fact that the left is supposed
to be is there supposed to be a balance going on,
but now the left is so radicalized and tribalized that
there's no balance anymore, and both sides have lost their way.

Speaker 12 (01:52:55):
That's the way I see it.

Speaker 4 (01:52:57):
Well, Pop, so you just I've tried to get everybody
to realize that labor in the United Kingdom is no
longer called labor, It's now libel. How I e B
How you are m hmm?

Speaker 12 (01:53:15):
I feel sorry what's going on in UK there?

Speaker 1 (01:53:17):
That just messed up? Yeah, all right, so we're gonna
wrap it up then, because this is like two hours.
No go ahead, shout out.

Speaker 2 (01:53:36):
Yeah, shout out to at Crafty Ringtail. Could you put
up the artwork that at Crafty ringtail.

Speaker 1 (01:53:43):
Did Yeah, hang on a second, let me find.

Speaker 2 (01:53:49):
It crafty ringtail mm hmm. Twitter, so on X so
if you're interested, that's where you would find him. See
if it's up yet.

Speaker 1 (01:54:05):
Uh yeah, I just need to Uh oh shit, that's
not gonna work. Let me see. I can do this
another way. I'm gonna put it. I will share it
in X and show it. So give me a second.

Speaker 5 (01:54:21):
Here.

Speaker 1 (01:54:22):
Okay, l la la la la la la. Where is it?

Speaker 2 (01:54:29):
Do you guys still talk to your single mothers.

Speaker 9 (01:54:35):
I live with my mom, so I have no choice.

Speaker 12 (01:54:39):
I talk to my mom every day.

Speaker 5 (01:54:41):
But but I will.

Speaker 9 (01:54:43):
But I will admit, like you know, ever since ever
since well my father's been dead for twenty some years,
so you know, it's ever ever since then, we have
a we have a close relationship. But I wouldn't say
that I turned out horribly. Yeah, yeah, you know, I mean,
I mean, she's the she's the exception of I mean,

(01:55:07):
you know, she's definitely had her fair share of you know,
not so good relationships. But I would say that I've
turned out to be where I'm not making the same
mistakes that she's.

Speaker 1 (01:55:17):
Okay, I'm sharing it now. Okay, I'm sharing it in
discord and then like capturing it and on obs.

Speaker 11 (01:55:26):
You know, that came dangerously close to happening to me.
This girl I went on a date with tried to
convince me, really manipulatively to have sex with her and
get her knocked up. And I said, no, good on you, brother,
I'm not in a relationship with you. I do not
love you. I'm not going to do that.

Speaker 2 (01:55:45):
Yeah, good, good for you.

Speaker 9 (01:55:46):
Good on you, brother.

Speaker 1 (01:55:47):
I mean me me.

Speaker 9 (01:55:49):
I've only dated once and I was probably fourteen fifteen
and I'm about to be twenty seven in like two weeks.
So I'm good, brother, I'm good. I'm the only time
I would ever considerate as if it's if it's actually
long term and like what a relationship should be, you know,
a long term marriage, you know all that kind of stuff.

Speaker 12 (01:56:09):
Okay, some boundaries.

Speaker 11 (01:56:11):
I said, if you want to have some a little
bit of fun, it's more safe, that's fine.

Speaker 12 (01:56:15):
But I'm not going to go all the way with you.

Speaker 9 (01:56:17):
Hell now, no, exactly no, because then that's how you
get trapped. Don't do it, don't do it.

Speaker 2 (01:56:26):
Yep. All right, So I want to do a big
thank you to at crafty Ringtail the artwork for for Christmas,
So thank you and if you're interested in his art,
you can find it at Crafty Ringtail. And thank you
Brian for sharing it.

Speaker 1 (01:56:46):
Sure yeah, and.

Speaker 2 (01:56:49):
Uh yeah, I mean I gotta I have to go
walk the dog before we do the Christmas event for
the family, so I'm going to uh thank you uh
for joining. If you want to send us a message,
you can do so at fee the badger dot com
slash just the tip. I know it's really quiet right now,
but I guess it's because everybody's off doing Christmas e things. Okay,

(01:57:10):
so I'll hand it back to you, Brian.

Speaker 12 (01:57:12):
All right, well Christmas Tree, Sorry, Christmas Tree.

Speaker 2 (01:57:20):
They aren't getting kicked out.

Speaker 1 (01:57:23):
Void cat.

Speaker 2 (01:57:25):
Oh, voidcat just wants kibble, so we'll give her some
extra kibble. And I'm sure the dog just wants to
not have the muzzle on to stop him from licking
his foot. I mean, I did get something, but it's
like a.

Speaker 9 (01:57:42):
It's like a well, I know, they hate those stupid
comb things on their faces, so probably the muzzles easier
than having the stupid comb thing.

Speaker 2 (01:57:51):
Yeah, I think so too. Well, at least he's it's
easier for him to sleep and relax on in a
in a more comfortable position. I did get like a
kicksled thing so that I could actually take him out
because it's so the snow here is so deep. But
other than that, I don't know, you know, being able

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to destroy the Christmas tree is the cats, the Cat's present.

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