I regret belittling men; at 63, I’ve ended up alone | Red Pill Relationships

I had always imagined I would end up married with two wonderful children and living in a house in the countryside. I have paid a hefty price for my so-called liberation. Is it too late to help other women change course? How are men to blame?

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, hello everybody, and welcome back to Honeybatcher Radio.
My name is Brian. I'm here with Alison. I know
you can't see it. She's just getting the water and
this is red fill relationships. I regret belittling men at
sixty three. I've ended up alone where we are going
to be looking at this article that's been doing the rounds.

(00:22):
So we're not the first to talk about it, although
it might be brings something unique to the table with
regards to it. I know that I've seen it going
around multiple people. I think Baldos Watson talked about it.
Goodfella talked about it, Sargon talked about it, and probably others.

Speaker 2 (00:43):
So we we'll find a new angle.

Speaker 1 (00:45):
See well, yeah, I mean so this is an independent Well,
this is a thought piece from the Eyepaper, which I
think is I don't know what it is. It's intellectual
website and it's written by Kate Mulvey and Kate Mulvey
is realizing at sixty three that she is unhappy with

(01:09):
her life and that she basically feminism destroyed her love
life and by extension it turned her into a nihilist.
And I'm not bringing the lead here it's basically right
there in the headline. But we could know, maybe we'll
look at the article and find out, like if there's

(01:30):
some way to salvage something and get like some satisfaction
out of your life even at sixty three. This is
something that I don't think people have talked about. So
with that Alson knew, we want to do the things
and then we'll get into the article.

Speaker 2 (01:46):
All right, Well, I think it's uh, I think I
know why we're all here. I think we know why
we're all here. We're here to gloat and feel a
suitable out of Shoden Frauda at this individual. Let's be frank.

Speaker 1 (02:07):
I mean, I guess we could go in.

Speaker 2 (02:08):
And say, oh, well, maybe it's not too late. But honestly,
at sixty three, it probably is too late to dig
yourself out of this hole. But I mean, it's not
like she's in dire poverty or misery. It's just an
existential crisis really, which she could fill with other things perhaps.
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I think I've done the thing sufficiently, so let's get
into it.

Speaker 1 (03:42):
All right. Before we get started, I'm gonna ask you
a question. Don't freak out, but are you intentionally using
your MacBook pros built in microphone or are you supposed
to be using it.

Speaker 2 (03:56):
Oh uh oh, how's that?

Speaker 1 (04:00):
Yes?

Speaker 2 (04:02):
Okay, am I, am I. I don't want to say chocolatey.

Speaker 1 (04:04):
Am I A lot better, a lot better chocolatey is
the way. Nope.

Speaker 2 (04:17):
Like my voice is hardy, like not squeaky, not squeak
potatoes and carrots.

Speaker 1 (04:23):
Yeah, stelery perhaps.

Speaker 2 (04:27):
But doesn't have like a butter bass.

Speaker 1 (04:29):
It's not roboting. It's just sounds like the acoustics on
the MacBook are not good. Also sounds a lot better.

Speaker 2 (04:37):
Okay, but also there is still going to be sounds
of construction in the background because the roof is getting fixed.

Speaker 1 (04:44):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (04:45):
And the roof is getting fixed because if we don't
fix it in our climate, everything goes to hell pretty quickly.
And then the raccoons, the raccoons, they move in. And
those those raccoons they're not they're not like the they're
not like the friendly racoons from TikTok shorts. Those raccoons
that up here, they mean business. Well, raccoon cartel starting

(05:08):
up in our in our the crawl space in our attic. Yeah, okay,
let's going.

Speaker 1 (05:14):
All right, So now we're gonna get into the article.
Let me just adjust this a little bit here my
camera it's crooked. Why sorry?

Speaker 2 (05:29):
Is oyah? I do this all the time too.

Speaker 1 (05:32):
Okay. So this is from the ipaper Orinews dot co
dot uk and the headline reads, I regret belittling men.
At sixty three, I've ended up alone. I had always
imagined I would end up married, with two wonderful children,
living in a house in the countryside. I have paid

(05:52):
a hefty price for my soul. Called Liberation by Kate Mulvey.

Speaker 2 (05:57):
Does any consider Does she have like a little feeler
of consideration for the men that she harmed by belittling them?

Speaker 1 (06:06):
I mean, I don't want to like she does get
into it, but I I think that she's legitimately remorseful
for essentially what she did with her life, which I say,
well again, I'm not gonna I don't want to get
ahead of myself. But let's let's get it because it's
not it's not a long article, so I'll read a paragraph.

(06:28):
He give you give some thoughts, all right. A few
years ago I went to Italy with my then boyfriend James.
We sat tucking into a plate of fruity damar at
a seaside restaurant. I struck up a conversation with the
waiter in Italian while I was enjoying myself. James sat
glumly and fiddled awkwardly with his phone Back in the

(06:48):
hotel room. He asked why I had ignored him by
speaking in a language he didn't understand. He said, I
had managed to make him feel small.

Speaker 2 (06:59):
Uh, yeah, why would you do that? Also, what she this?
This is a sixty year old she still has boyfriends? Oh? Man, yeah,
good lord, oh god. I mean, I don't like, I'm
not I'm not throwing shade on the millennials or the
millennials or whatever you're calling yourselves, not throwing shade on

(07:20):
the younger population because your courtship has been irrevocably screwed
by all of the bullshit ideology that has come down
the pike since the sixties. So I'm not, I'm not
throwing shade on you. But if you're in your sixties
and you still don't have a partner, not even a partner,

(07:44):
just a boyfriend, good lord.

Speaker 1 (07:49):
Okay, but yes, you didn't keep a man, so yeah, man, yeah, yeah.
So it's it sounds like but just based on that
first paragraph, this woman is she lives a life of
let's say, well, look, let me just read it again.

(08:09):
I want you to think about this because I've never
had experience like this. Okay, as we sut tucking into
a plate of fruity DeMar at a seaside restaurant, I
struck up a conversation with a waiter in Italian, So like,
this is like pretty hoity toity. That's what it sounds
like to me. Right, Maybe maybe I'm not cultured, but

(08:32):
it sounds like if you're basically, like, you know, talking
to waiters in Italian at a seaside restaurant, eating something
I never heard of, fruity damar. It sounds like a
dessert maybe I don't know, something fruit fruey with very
small portions and really fancy forks. And it sounds like
what she's pursued, a life of material excess, and yet

(08:59):
she can't connect with a human being. You know what
I'm saying. That's my that's that's my guess.

Speaker 2 (09:06):
And this guy had to actually explain to her how
being in that situation and striking up a conversation with
another man while you're with your boyfriend, dining with your boyfriend,
which should be sort of about the shared experience between
yourself and your boyfriend. God, so juvenile? Could you'd be

(09:32):
about that shared experience? And instead she is alienating him
and he has to actually explain this to her because
you know, women are so good at emotional labor. All right, Eh,
how would you have felt? Okay, how would you have
felt if your male partner and you and you've got

(09:54):
maybe let's say, let's say you went to like Bali
or Thailand or something and he's started talking tie to
the cute waitress and the little like the bautique skirt,
how would you have felt?

Speaker 1 (10:10):
Like?

Speaker 2 (10:10):
Can you? Can you? Can you engage in this empathy
exercise before you alienate your supposed partner or someone who
I would hope you'd be evolving from boyfriend to partner?
Husband is you know, I'm pretty sure that's completely out
of this woman's universe at this point. But maybe you
could evolve him from boyfriend to partner. And you're trying

(10:32):
to do that presumably through these shared experiences, like and
you cannot open your mind to consider his experience, Like,
just just do walk through the steps in your own
mind of how you would feel and say, hmm, maybe
I shouldn't do that. Maybe I shouldn't, okay, but let's

(10:54):
I'm curious how she responds to him telling her that
she's alienating him.

Speaker 1 (10:59):
Yeah. Plus, fact, sitting back in the hotel room suggests
that they were traveling as well. So they traveled to
a seaside well, a place that had a seaside restaurant.
All right, so anyway, I could see his point. I
spent quite a while chatting away, oblivious to how he
must be feeling, and then went on to joke that
this is the Italian speaker I would order for us.

(11:22):
After all, he didn't know what osso Buco meant. I
was showing off.

Speaker 2 (11:27):
Okay, so wait, no, no, no, this is more than
being oblivious to how he was feeling. Listen to the judgment.
Listen to the judgment. As we sat talking into a
plate of pretentious fruit, well.

Speaker 1 (11:44):
Apparently it's fish. People are saying it's seafood. But yeah,
I guess so it's Italian dish at a seaside restaurant.
Sounds really expected.

Speaker 2 (11:55):
Seafood, Okay, a pretentious way of saying seafood pasta? How's
that a pretentious way of saying seafood pasta? She struck
up a conversation while I was enjoying myself. James sat
glumly and fiddled awkwardly with his phone. No shit, bitch,
and no, at no point did you stop and say, oh, hey,

(12:16):
I'm excluding you. I'm sorry. Like you, you saw his
signs of distress and you're just like observing him. You
look like you're distress my boyfriend, and you didn't stop
and saying maybe I shouldn't continue this, maybe I should
include him. And I'm guessing you don't even have the

(12:37):
benefit of being an utter fridge brained autist like me,
like I, you know, like I, I could see this
if you were a complete autist lady. But the fact
is you're you're putting a lot of emotional judgmentalism into
your observations of your partner. I'm just saying he's not

(12:59):
just she's not. She's not just oblivious. She's reading into
So which is it? Is she aware of how she's
feeling and reading into it and being slightly judgy about it,
or is she oblivious to it like a fridge brained
autist like me. Seems like more it's more from column
A here.

Speaker 1 (13:18):
Probably, Yeah, so fruite de Mari is essentially a seafood
pasta dish. It can range anywhere from ten bucks to
fifty bucks, although there are some Greek places that I
guess where it's so good, it's so fancy or rare
in its ingredients, it can go into the thousands. I'm
guessing it was probably like a fifty dollars m serving that.

(13:42):
That's just for that part portion.

Speaker 2 (13:44):
But anyway, I will say this, I did go to
Rome when we when we went when I went to
Europe to go to the Messages for Men and then
also the Norwegian conference, which was really interesting for men.
That was back in the twenty nineteen. We were doing
a lot of meetups related to men's issues, which we
really need to get back to guys. And when I

(14:06):
went to actually going to Rome was a relief because
the food prices in Norway are were absolutely insane. Sixty
bucks for a burger, yeah, well that was that was
Canadian pesos, so like forty bucks for a burger American
like Jesus, oh god. And when you go to go

(14:30):
to Rome you could get like an actual authentic Italian
pizza two for like twenty dollars, you know. So it
was the food prices just were substantially less. The food
was better too, Sorry Norway. Also, your Sammi beef jerky
is absolutely repulsive. I'm never eating whale meat again. But anyway,

(14:54):
rome really good, really really really good food. Really annoying
h third world immigrants trying to sell you stuff that's
that's not fun, but really good food, very cheap. So
I mean, she could could be a cheat, like she
could be in like a little little mom and pop
bistro on the seaside. And this doesn't necessarily have to

(15:16):
be expensive. I don't think that's the point. The point
is she's obnoxious, all right.

Speaker 1 (15:26):
Next paragraph, Yeah, it wasn't the first time something like
this had happened to me. I have always taken the
driving seat, been determined to get the last word, and
was too busy with books to master the art of charm.
So I guess there's a bit of an admission there.
I think that you know, to mention that they were

(15:48):
too busy with books to master the art of charm
and have always been like basically combative, like taking the
driving seat, determined to get the last word. That's just
a quarrelsome woman, let's put it that way.

Speaker 2 (16:05):
Yeah, and I think that she's still deflecting because she's
sowing a lot of judgment of the emotions she says
she's oblivious of, so she's picking she's obviously aware of
the emotions she subsequently says are she's oblivious too. So
even in this kind of confessional, I think she's still
holding something back, which is, did you actually revel in

(16:29):
his discomfort? Did you enjoy it right? Or did you
recognize it and you just didn't care? Because you don't
sound like you're oblivious, So it sounds like you're lying
to yourself when you say, oh, I was oblivious to this,
to these emotions that I can correctly identify and describe.

(16:50):
Obviously you weren't. So already we're starting off not very good. Yeah,
you're lying to yourself here.

Speaker 1 (17:00):
I'm convinced that the reason I'm sorry.

Speaker 2 (17:02):
Go ahead, no, I mean, I think she's trying to
hide behind pretending to be a fridge brained autist. But continue.

Speaker 1 (17:09):
I'm convinced that the reason I'm still booking a table
for one at the age of sixty three instead of
having settled with a significant other is because, like so
many women of my generation, feminism has ruined my love life. No,
you did have him? Huh?

Speaker 2 (17:26):
I said, no, you did.

Speaker 1 (17:29):
Huh. Feminism has ruined my love life. Instead of empowering us,
those ideals of the second way, feminists made us believe
marriage and domesticity were to be avoided like the plague,
and that men were competition rather than partners.

Speaker 2 (17:43):
Okay, When she says so many women of my generation
feminism has ruined my love life, that's like saying, you know,
you take a hammer to a wall and you start
hammering holes in it, and then when someone says, why
are you hammering holes in your wall, you say, the
hammer made me do it. No, you did it. You see.

(18:08):
Do you see how she's deflecting agentcy like the second time?
Do you need a moment to cough?

Speaker 1 (18:14):
Yeah? No, I'm fine, wrong, tube, that's okay?

Speaker 2 (18:21):
Are you okay? Yeah?

Speaker 1 (18:23):
It was just some drinking, some liquids and sometimes it
you know, uh okay, No, I think essentially yeah, when
you say, I mean, look, I agree that that ideology
probably did ruin your life, but I don't think that
it was something that was affecting so many women of
your generation. Some sure, but a lot of women they

(18:45):
did end up having kids, and a lot of them
were actually like feminists too, or feminists who basically said, well,
I'm gonna hold you to this standard, but I'm not
holding myself to this standard. And they they got married
to a guy and they had children. I mean, like,
freaking what's her name, didn't she get married? Gloria Steinem
was like, yeah, feminism, or at least one of them, yeah.

Speaker 2 (19:08):
And it's because then then the feminism becomes more about
a relational aggression. So you are destroying other women's ability
to partner because that will increase your own market value
and reduce any kind of defection threats, which would be
defection threats, so that would be threats of cheating. Right,

(19:31):
So if you reduce women's ability, because feminism really does
reduce women's ability to partner with memen in a permanent setting,
you increase your overall market value. So a woman who
has any eye to commitment can punch way above her
weight in a in a seller's market. Essentially, that constructs
a seller's market, and when you have a partner, it

(19:55):
also makes it less likely that he is going to
have the option to cheat. So this is all interrelational competition.
I remember saying this like two years ago on one
of Pearl's Secondary channel podcasts where she puts like the
the c Listers, And I remember that I was on

(20:16):
the podcast with a black dude who was like a
more of like a on the line of a pickup artist,
And when I mentioned that people underestimate the effects of
female female competition, I remember he really pushed back on that,
you guys can find it. It was an interesting conversation.
And what's what's interesting to me now is two years later,

(20:38):
female intersectional competition is on everyone's lips. Have you noticed that.

Speaker 1 (20:44):
Yeah, everything is mate suppression, like ye, mate suppression? Yeah, yeah,
but yeah, And that's the thing, Like, I think that
she'd probably be really sad to hear that prop. A
lot of the people that she hailed as heroes successfully
engage in mate suppression against her, even even if they

(21:08):
had no chance with like you know, in terms of
proximity or opportunity or whatever with men she could have had,
but they took her out of the dating pool while
they stayed in the dating pool.

Speaker 2 (21:17):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (21:18):
So plus, I think that if you're a feminist with
a man, even if that man is on a leash,
it looks better for feminism then if you're like alone,
because women will look at that and they say, oh, yeah,
I guess you can have it all and that guy
does whatever she wants or whatever. Right, So then yeah,

(21:41):
Gloria Sangem can better sell her brand of feminism. Yeah.
Or Clementine Ford. I think she's got a man.

Speaker 2 (21:48):
She's Claire, right, who Branny claireny Claire.

Speaker 1 (21:54):
Yeah, she's got a man, right, So it looks better
for branding feminism because you can say, look, I don't
hate men. I'm married to one, right, Yeah, I have
male friends.

Speaker 2 (22:06):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (22:07):
Well, anyway, so yeah, this, I guess this woman took
it really to heart and she really like just like
lived that life, and now that it's blown up in
her face, she's trying to blame the ideology without even
observing the fact that, again, the people who led the
movement weren't doing the same thing that she did. So anyway,

(22:29):
all right, I might have a successful career as a
writer and broadcaster, but I have never had children or
been married, and my longest relationship lasted eight years. I
regret this. I had always imagined I would end up
married with two wonderful children, and living in a house
in the countryside. I have paid a hefty price for
my soul called liberation.

Speaker 2 (22:51):
There was another thought that I had. I mean, you
talked about some feminists actually getting into relationships and managing
to maintain them. So she's feminism when there are counterexamples
to even feminists managing to maintain relationships. And then there's
also me, because when I got involved with feminism, eventually

(23:14):
the only thing that's stuck or the focus that I
had was on equality. So I would ask myself what
would be expected of a man in this circumstance towards
a woman, and I would try to embody that. I
know that sounds absolutely crazy, but that was my takeaway.
That was my ultimate takeaway after years of contending with

(23:34):
feminist philosophy, and then I realized that there was absolutely
no other feminist in existence ever who actually interpreted feminism
that way. But she could have, Like on my point
is that she could have interpreted feminism that way, which
would have meant that when she had this urge to
belittle her partner, she would have walked through it in
her mind and said, how would that make me feel?

(23:57):
I'm not going to do it. She would actually have
an attitude of wanting to protect her partner's emotional their
feelings in this circumstance, which would have prevented her from
engaging in this kind of callous dismissal of how he
was feeling. Or maybe if she did pick up as

(24:19):
her his emotions, which is obvious that she did, she
would recognize that she needs to take something, take action
to make him feel better. Based on my interpretation of feminism,
which again I recognize is absolutely apostate and completely eccentric
and anomalous, But it's possible, like it's possible that she

(24:41):
could have interpreted this situation based on professed desire for
equality and said, you know, a man would be seen
as bad if they didn't, if he didn't consider the
emotions of their partner, if he was alienating her. You know,
then I will, I will take consider of his emotions
the way he is expected to take a consideration of mind.

(25:04):
But she didn't do that either, Okay.

Speaker 1 (25:09):
Yeah, all right.

Speaker 2 (25:11):
Um.

Speaker 1 (25:13):
I was seventeen and a pupil at Godolphin and Late
Mr Latimer Latimer sorry, one of Britain's most academic institutions,
and when I was introduced to the women's liberation movement.
It offered such hope and excitement, and we spent our
lunch breaks soaking up the feminist mantras of Jermaine Greer
and Betty free Dan. Act like men, they cried as

(25:35):
they burnt their bras and demonize housework and the family.
And you didn't even think to question it, probably because
if I had to guess, there is if you sound
like somebody who is constantly looking to demonstrate their status,
like it's like it's important, and if you're in a

(25:56):
big university, apparently it's a the most academic institution, one
of Britain's most academic institutions, go Dolphin and Latimer. I
hope I'm not butchering that pronunciation, but I'm sorry. And
you were like, oh, well, this is like where the
smartest and best people are. So I got to be
one of the smartest and best. So I'm gonna I'm

(26:17):
gonna read the feminist stuff and I'm gonna basically say
this is me. Now, this is my new like not
question it and not ask myself if this is correct,
but I'm just gonna do it because this is what
you do. This is the popular thing to do. It's
the trend whatever, right, and I guess it was at
that time, Like being a woman, didn't you imagine being

(26:38):
a woman in the sixties when this was going on
and you're young and you're in and you're going to school,
like could could you imagine how much pressure there would
be to like adopt the women's liberation movement? I mean,
it would like I don't know, you know what I mean.

Speaker 2 (26:57):
Well, she certainly didn't resist the pressure, which doesn't speak
much to her critical thinking. But what I wanted to
point out is she was living a life of intense privilege,
and feminism offered her such hope and excitement. Not the
fact that you are in uh, one of Britain's most

(27:19):
academic institutions, which feels like it's missing an adjective, most prestigious,
perhaps academic institutions, because it sounds like that meme, this
is one of Britain's most academic institutions, academic academies. Yes,
this is an institution of all time. I think that

(27:39):
she's missing an adjective like prestigious. But regardless if she
assuming that that was what she was intending to say,
so she's in a position of incredible privilege, and feminism
is offering her hope and excitement like double privilege, Like
feminism is the extra you know, f vanilla double cream

(28:03):
ice cream scoop on her on her cone, Like. I
just find that really, really sort of hilarious. And the
other thing is that you say that you wanted to
act like men, you're not. You know, if you actually
walked through that initial scenario with your boyfriend in your mind,
you'd realize that men would be instantly condemned for doing

(28:25):
what you did.

Speaker 1 (28:27):
Also, Jermaine Greer and Betty fri Dan are saying act
like men. They're basically saying, act like the version of
men that we have constructed. It's not like real men, right,
It's not Jermaine Greer slash, Betty free Dan slash Andrea
Dwarkin slash or Bell Hook's version of what a man

(28:51):
acts like, which is probably yeah.

Speaker 2 (28:55):
So yeah, yeah, it's probably exactly what she thought she
was doing with this dude. But if she actually used
some critical thinking, she'd realize that it's nothing like that,
that he would have been condemned for treating her in
such a disreputable manner. And the other thing is that
I didn't realize that men demonized housework in families.

Speaker 1 (29:19):
Yeah right, yeah, like.

Speaker 2 (29:22):
Men' spend their lives sacrificing to maintain a household and
a family, but they demonize them even today, Even today,
after all this time, men still want a family and
presumably a house to put the family in. So they
still they don't demonize family. They absolutely don't. And I

(29:43):
don't think they did seventy years ago either or not.
I guess it would be more like forty years ago,
forty years past, twenties. Oh good, that's the eighties. Like,
what the heck is she even talking about? All right,
so let's I'm good.

Speaker 1 (29:59):
Yeah, okay. So by the time I was twenty five,
clutching a degree in French and Italian, I was a bright,
confident feminist, keen to flex her intellectual muscles and to
never let a man get the last word. I read
Nietzsche for fun, and my bedside table has always buckled
beneath the weight of substantial, intellectually challenging books. At first,

(30:20):
men love my wit and intelligence. You're such a breath
of fresh air. I love talking to you. You're the
first woman I've met who stimulates me. They trill trying
to get you to sleep with them. No, I'm just
added that at the end. I don't know if that's true,
but uh like, well, yeah, so she is boasting about
her her education which probably turned her into the person

(30:44):
that she is, or at least contributed to it, and
that she read Nietzsche for fun and the men were
flattered her, right, her wit and intelligence at first? Okay,
oh that was.

Speaker 2 (30:58):
Until the quest can I Betty over analyzes said that
she's she's humble bragging about how booksmark. She was, Well,
it's no longer humble brag.

Speaker 1 (31:09):
Yeah right, I feel like I got to take.

Speaker 2 (31:11):
A shower over all of this slicking. Well yeah, the
mental masturbation. I feel like the body.

Speaker 1 (31:22):
Yeah, she said, I'm success. I have a successful career
as a writer and broadcaster. And I've never heard of her.
So but okay, I mean, I guess that doesn't mean
it's not successful. I just don't know who that is.
So that was I lectured them what they trill?

Speaker 2 (31:38):
Also, men don't trill? What the hell are you freaking
talking about?

Speaker 1 (31:42):
You just wanted to use that word in a sentence.

Speaker 2 (31:47):
Categorically incapable of trilling, even the gayest of gay men
does not trill. He made burbal. He may use a
false set, but they can't like men cannot fucking trill.
Your vocal cords just do not produce such a sound
like that.

Speaker 1 (32:06):
Trill. I've never heard that word before. Hold on a second,
lottering or tremulous sound, as they're made by certain birds.
A warble, oh yeah, sure, A vibrato, a flirt, a.

Speaker 2 (32:19):
Flutter, a vibrato. Okay, okay, So who creates who creates
a vibrato sound? Just ask ask it?

Speaker 1 (32:27):
Yeah, I don't know what kind of man you're.

Speaker 2 (32:29):
No, no, he's not even even the gayest. I'm not
even gonna say femboys because they can be interesting. But
even the gayest of of of gay dudes does not trill. Okay,
because he still has his testicles, right, he may. He

(32:50):
may make other sounds, but not that.

Speaker 1 (32:54):
Okay, all right, So that was into I had lectured
them for the umpteenth time on the virtues of modernism.
You'll never win an argument against Kate, one man said,
as he watched me out smart yet another potential lover. Subtext,
don't bother men have called me intimidating, scary, and opinionated.

(33:17):
I now see that not only was I trying to
prove I was their intellectual equal or superior, I was
treating every encounter with a man like he was my adversary. Yeah,
where'd you get that from? Yeah? That would drive men away,
and that's how men are gonna respond. They're going to
walk away. Yeah, I'm sorry, Alison. Did you want to
say anything about that?

Speaker 3 (33:38):
Well?

Speaker 2 (33:38):
Yes, Generally, treating someone as your adversary will either cause
them to submit or avoid you, or attempt to make
you submit, which is maybe the real point. I wonder
if she in amongst all of that groaning pile of
philosophical treatises that she has on her side table. There's
the entire series of Gore novels. You know, Gore. Gore

(34:03):
is basically dark, romanticy. It has a gigantic female fan base,
and it's just a society of men that treat women
like slaves. She is a woman of cultures. When I'm saying,
all right, let's ski all right?

Speaker 1 (34:25):
Uh, if a date ever brought me a bouquet of flowers,
instead of smiling and putting them in a vase of water,
I would bite their head off. Can't you buy me
some nice olive oil or balsamic vinegar, I said, with
an eye roll to one hapless suitor as he stood
wilting faster than the fragrant offering he held in his hand.
He had bothered to think about making me happy, and

(34:47):
I crushed him for it.

Speaker 2 (34:49):
Oh, somebody is in the special chat is saying you
don't know what you're talking about. Trilling is a slight
role of the art. She's in Britain, not in Rome,
all right, when she's talking about these men trying to
seduce her unless she spent all.

Speaker 1 (35:07):
The definition of trill is a fluttering or tremulous sound,
as that made by a certain birds, or a warble.
As a verb that says a noun. As a verb,
it says to sound, sing or play with a trill,
to produce or give forth a trill, which is a
vibrato sound.

Speaker 2 (35:27):
Yeah, it's a fluttering sound, right.

Speaker 1 (35:31):
It's Look, you can probably make that noise by rolling
your rs. But I don't think I think that she
was just using like, let's say, extra language to sound smart.
That's it. That like she's still trying to demonstrate her
intellectual prowess while writing this thing by putting in extra

(35:52):
words nobody needs. And like Alicea said, men don't trill.

Speaker 2 (35:58):
Not commonly, even even Italian. I could we could ask
Pepito if he trolls. I don't recall that, all right.

Speaker 1 (36:09):
I'm not saying that you can't do it, Reuben the imitator.
I'm saying that, like again, you guys are spurring out
on this word. It's hot. It's the context of which
she's using it in. It's extra, that's it. She's just
being really extra. Okay, But anyway, I play so much

(36:30):
more importance. I'm sorry. I placed so much importance on
finding a strong man who could match me that I
forgot men or people with feelings. Instead, I forgot I
had feelings and hit my soft I forgot I had feelings.
It hit my softness. I now see that I longed
to be loved, but I was too scared to be vulnerable.
I was using my sharp mind to protect my all

(36:52):
too soft heart against yet further rejection.

Speaker 2 (36:55):
Your heart is not soft. If your heart was soft,
you would have seen your boyfriend looking comfortable and imediately
said I gotta do something about it, not been oblivious.
And I think that you you're lying about being oblivious
to your your boyfriend's emotions because you correctly identified them
and used sort of judgmental language to describe them. I

(37:19):
think you are lying to yourself when you're saying feminism
did this to me. And I think you're lying to
yourself when you say you have a soft heart. A
soft heart isn't like, do you honestly think that people
who constantly pity themselves have a soft heart? Right? No,
A soft heart means that other people's displays of discomfort

(37:40):
move you, and you have not demonstrated this. Good Lord,
I don't even want to spend time with her freakin article,
much less her. All right, let's let's continue so again.

Speaker 1 (37:56):
Well, going back back to the other part of this paragraph,
where she says I placed so much importance on finding
a strong man who would match me, who could match me,
that I forgotten men are people with feelings. Well, I'll
give you credit for that part, But but don't you
think it was weird that you thought like it was
like this, Like I don't know, like you're this Amazon
warrior queen. That's like if I will only marry a
man who can defeat me in combat, don't you think

(38:18):
that's kind of silly and you're sixty two, Like, when
did you figure this out? You still don't have a boyfriend. Well,
she lost three.

Speaker 2 (38:28):
I'm guessing. I'm guessing that was the last one. That
was the last That was the last boat out of Haget.
It was the last one and you missed it.

Speaker 1 (38:39):
Out of hag Hood. Is that what you said? Yes,
all right, it.

Speaker 2 (38:48):
Was the last train at a crone station and you
you just missed it.

Speaker 1 (38:54):
Ron Croneville. Here you come, all right. Another thing I
regret deeply is my halley of one night stands. When
I was younger, ooh, the body count. I distinctly remember
thinking it would be uncool to say no to the
men I met at parties or dated. But I struggle
to enjoy it. There was always a disconnect. This was
abundantly clear the morning after, as I lay there waiting

(39:16):
for a sign of affection, he would be singing the
triumphant had her song in the shower, A quick cheerioh
and he was gone.

Speaker 2 (39:23):
Okay, yeah, but you don't offer anything like Honestly, it
sounds like you, as a person offer nothing to another
human being. You are egotistical, you are selfish, You deflect blame,
You don't take responsibility, and you turn relationships into combat.

(39:45):
Why would a man stick around? And that this feels
like you're putting it on men. But maybe maybe, okay,
maybe she doesn't. Maybe she has an insight. I'm looking
for an insight here, Brian, I'm not seeing much. I'm
seeing deflections away from insights and not true accountability. What

(40:06):
the hell like? Yes, lady, consider what was on offer.
If the only thing of value that you're offering to
your partner is your body, because your personality is abusive
and corrosive, that's what men will do, and it's not
their fault. You will attract men who are just interested

(40:29):
in the one thing because they know they're not going
to get anything else from you. You will not attract
the men who are interested in a partner, a mutual partner,
who will try to understand them, okay, and try to
help them or recognize their emotions and how those emotions

(40:51):
should affect their actions. You're not offering a partner, so
you're getting men who aren't interested in one What a shock.
But it seems to be that you're you're you're you're
deflecting blame onto men. So what what are the things
that she's blamed so far, men, feminism, not her responsibility

(41:12):
for assuming it. And uh, she's blamed her alleged obliviousness,
which which really is a it's actually a backhanded compliment, Brian,
because she's so much in her books, she just doesn't
she just doesn't understand the emotions of the lesser apes.
You know that that's the backhanded compliment that she's given

(41:32):
herself in that and uh and uh now now once
again blaming men. All right, let's let's see. Let's see.
This is my prediction. I could be completely wrong. There
will be no true accountability to be found in this article.

Speaker 1 (41:49):
Yeah, well it is a woman that wrote it, So
all right, I'm just saying I trill. I'm trilling that.

Speaker 2 (42:00):
I wanted the trilling thing. Okay, do you honest? This
woman did not use trilling because she wanted to talk
about Italian men rolling their rs. She used trilling.

Speaker 1 (42:12):
Because I read that sentence again so that we're all
on the same page.

Speaker 2 (42:15):
Colloquially, it had a way of shaming men.

Speaker 1 (42:18):
I'm gonna read this. I'm gonna read this this section
so you guys get the context of her usage of
this word. Okay, I read Nietzsche her fun, and my
bedside table was always buckled beneath the weight of substantial,
intellectually challenging books. At first, men loved my wit and intelligence.
You're such a breash of breath air, a breath of
fresh air. I love talking to you. You're the first

(42:41):
woman I've met who stimulates me. They trill.

Speaker 2 (42:45):
Okay, she's using the word wrong. Guys. She's not saying
these guys are rolling their ours. She's saying that they're
pronouncing these entire sentences in a trilling manner. Right, what
does that mean? It means tremulous and fluttery, which which
is an insult to their masculinity. She's using her feminine
prerogative to shame men for not being man enough. To

(43:10):
shame these men for not being man enough. That is
the context we can start looking at. Well, technically, trilling
means rolling their art. That's not how she's using it.
She's using it wrong, and that's what we're commenting on.
And men don't trill. They trill, yes, they can roll
their rs, they don't trill the way this woman is
using the word.

Speaker 1 (43:32):
Okay, okay, Now that we're finally past that while I
pretended to enjoy it, I felt uncomfortable about sex, so
early on I felt empty and used. My generation of
women were encouraged to have sex like a man, in
other words, have casual sex. But if backfired fast forward

(43:52):
to now, the idea that women are different from men
and that casual sex can be harmful to us is
gaining traction. First of all, you still chose to do
that even if it didn't make you comfortable, So why
did you do it? And you're secondly, you're still passing
the buck because you're saying we were encouraged to have
sex like a man. So basically, you don't have accountability

(44:15):
when you're a feminist because everything is the fault of patriarchy.
And now that you've looked back on your life and
you realize you have regrets, you still don't have accountability.
And now feminism is to blame for your mistakes, Like
when when do you say I was stupid and I
should not have done that? Full stop.

Speaker 2 (44:34):
Honestly, I wonder if she's gonna go with Patriarchy is
still to blame because I tried to be a man
by the patriarchal definition and I found it dehumanizing herp
a dirt patriarchy hurts men too.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Yeah, well, yeah, that's I'm just saying.

Speaker 2 (44:52):
I don't know if that's where I don't no spoilers.
I'm just saying that's a possibility. I'm not sure. Maybe
she isn't that ideologically flexible. She's not going for the
Oppression Olympics gold medal and oppression Olympics Olympics. But again,
I hope by my prediction that there will no accountability

(45:16):
will truly be taken on this day in this article.

Speaker 1 (45:20):
Yeah, all right, all right. In her latest book, A
New Guide to Sex in the twenty first Century, the
young adult adaptation, Louise Perry explores how the sexual revolution
impacted women negatively and led to unwanted consequences. So that, okay,
So yeah, Louise Perry's been like a very vocal anti

(45:43):
sexual liberation or second wave femine. I wouldn't say second
wave feminist, because she is a feminist, but she's she's
basically like playing catch up on everything that's happened. And again,
this is like unwanted consequences. Like I'm not sure if
they were unwanted sexual Revolution. I think I think that

(46:04):
maybe the people who participated didn't know like how I
was going to pan out for them. But I feel
like the destruction that's come from all of this stuff,
feminism especially, was intentional, and I think that's why they
always double down on it, because they want to keep
pushing it through.

Speaker 2 (46:24):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (46:25):
I mean, and.

Speaker 2 (46:28):
Uh, John, let me see in the special chat John Johnny,
nobody knows. Doe says, is it like a man or
like a salute? Why is it like a man? It
isn't It isn't like a man.

Speaker 1 (46:40):
That's what she's claiming. I think he's just sort of rare.
He's claiming that this is the way men are. But
it's based on the feminist interpretation of how men are,
which is why I said earlier, Well, what kind of
man does you know? Betty free Dan meant what kind
of man is she talking about when she says have
sex like a man or be like a man? It's

(47:02):
not like a normal man. It's like their version of
what a man is. It's like their version of masculinity.
What do they think masculinity is? Look at look at
look at the way they presented in our media. It's
like guys crushing beer cans on their foreheads, and like,
you know, raping women in public. It's you know, being
really violent for no reason. Exactly how they view masculinity.

Speaker 2 (47:25):
Yeah, well they literally it's in their theory. Is they
say that men use rape and domestic violence to uphold patriarchy. Yes,
that's not just not just an ignored action, it is
a supported it is a celebrated action, not particularly anywhere.

(47:47):
But we're just gonna we're just gonna go with that
because theories matter more than conjecture, matters more than reality.
We don't have to actually look at our conjecture and say, hey,
does this map to reality? Not one we're dealing with
feminist science maps to feminism, don't you know.

Speaker 1 (48:03):
Okay, all right, I got a super chow I should
read out that's been here for a little while. Richard
Bierre gives us five dollars and says, there is that
one TikTok video that I think Emily W. King responded
to where the woman got her husband to agree to
take care of sweeping the floor. He bought a rumba
and she was complaining about him doing that instead of

(48:24):
him sweeping manually with a broom and dustban Evidently she
had a fetish that he didn't indulge. I recall another
story about a certain feminist who died alone in her
apartment after a network of women who were helping to
look after her in her schizophrenia dissolved after her psychiatrist
moved away. Then he issued an addendum the feminist may have

(48:46):
started the death in her apartment because her condition was
so severe that she was terrified to go outside of
her apartment even to obtain food, so her food may
have run out and the network of women looking after
her welfare had fizzled out after the psychiatrist moved away.
Some sisterhood. Yikes, that is a level of paranoia that
I I don't I just don't think that's healthy. No,

(49:09):
I've just fall in here. I'm just gonna put it
out there. You guys take it or leave it. I
don't think that's healthy to be that paranoid. I know.

Speaker 2 (49:19):
I'm not surprised, though I've been. I've been having fun
with grok because I get Grok to do a meta
analyses of the people who come at me, like I
did this post, which was basically a meme. It was
the It was the dommy mommy meme, and the dommy
mommy says, uh, there shouldn't be any victim blaming, and

(49:40):
then her her her downtrodden, overworked sub says what about
men who commit suicide? And uh, and and she says,
it's their fault because of the patriarchy. And I put
this meme out, and I've had a whole bunch of
feminists swan in to tell me how actually it is
their fault. It is men's fault because of patriarchy. And

(50:03):
so I did get GROC to do meta analyzes on
their Twitter content. And there is a lot of paranoia
right now. These women are probably mostly functional, but I
could see how that level of paranoia and over inflation

(50:25):
of men's agency and bad intent towards women could tip
someone over who with a pre existing mental disorder, tip
someone over into this kind of extreme and self destructive isolationism.
It is like they are really fucked up people. And

(50:48):
another thing that I got did is I would get
GROC to visualize they how they diminish men or women's
consequential agency relative to men. So what that means is
the consequences of your actions and how meaningful they are

(51:08):
in the greater world and how they diminish that relative
to men. And Rock would use these visual metaphors like
men are atlass striding upon the earth, throwing lightning bolts
at his command, bringing up earthquakes. In these women's psychology,

(51:29):
that's men. And they are tiny, tiny figures hiding in
the shadows, always fearful, minuscule in comparison. And another comparison
he used was they're like one of those little fishes
that attached to a shark, which that they can't really
they can't really swim very far on their own, so

(51:50):
they're completely dependent on the movement of the shark and
they have complete incapability that level of helplessness. They're constantly
breeding in each other and reaffirming in each other, and
I can totally see that with a with a confound
of a mental health issue turning into a negative spiral

(52:12):
that led to this woman's death through isolation. Like that's it,
it is. These people are fucking sick. They and they
and like I've been outsourcing arguing with them with groc
because I know that there's no point to it because
they're just everything. They regard as a threat to self,

(52:34):
They regard any kind of criticism of their religion, of
their cult as a threat to themselves personally. So that's
why I was trying to get GROC to do these
visual metaphors so maybe jar them into thinking what they're
doing to themselves. But you know, all I do is
get blocked.

Speaker 1 (52:54):
Really yeah, Okay, all right, so thanks, thank you for
the super chow Richard. Okay, back to the article. So
she argues the casual sex stating apps, pornography, and the
normal of sexual kinks.

Speaker 2 (53:11):
What it was a remorra that the GROC said that
feminists see women as remorras. They're just they just attached
to a host, and they just they have no agency
of their own. They just go wherever the host, they do,
whatever the host does. They live off of the host.
That's it. So feminism turns women into remorras. And the

(53:33):
other thing, the other good one was feminism turns women
into footnotes, historical footnotes, like compared to men. And then
the other one is in relation to Afghanistan. Grok was
also like, yes, this is like an internal burka, a decision,
not an external decision to restrict your agency, but an

(53:56):
internal one to embrace learned how blesseness so it's like, okay,
I mean, and the thing is that once there's like,
once you have somebody who spent their entire or good
portion of their lives refusing to use their legs, how
do you rehabilitate them, especially when they say stupid shit

(54:18):
like using my legs is patriarchy, it's patriarchal enablement. I'm like, yeah,
where do I even start with you? Like your legs
are shriveled toothpicks now because of your chosen bullshit, Like,
where do you even start? Okay, let's keep going. Let's
start by continuing.

Speaker 1 (54:40):
Okay. So, she argues that casual sex, dating apps and
pornography and the normalization of sexual kinks are putting women
at risk. Although contraception has reduced the chances of pregnancy,
she points to the risk of contracting diseases or being
a victim of violence. In a culture where premarital sex
is the norm.

Speaker 2 (55:01):
Don't do it, it's not enforced.

Speaker 1 (55:05):
Like yeah, but I mean, women are not the only
ones at risk. Also, everything is like risking women to
you know that women are are at risk of violence
and being victims and catching diseases and being used sexually
and so on. But it's also true of men, like
it just has to be you know, so.

Speaker 2 (55:27):
Yeah, exactly, like this is ridiculous. This is like, yes,
men are just is at risk, although for some reason
men have managed to not have the level of STDs
that women have in today's age. But also this, there's
no compulsion there, but there's no expect You don't have
to be promiscuous, Like, lady, you don't have to you

(55:50):
just don't, Like this is not a necessity. Nobody's expecting
you to do this to pay the bills. Just get it,
you know, like unless you're you know, a prostitute. But
that's a different can of worms, Like you don't have
the presumption here is that women have to be promiscuous.
Who's no, no, you don't. And if your friends are

(56:16):
enforcing this, get new friends. This is this is a
non issue.

Speaker 3 (56:23):
Why, like what how is it?

Speaker 2 (56:26):
The feminist can say, well, the pressure for women to
be promiscuous is a women's rights issue, but conscription, that's
just patriarchy backfiring, Like I know how they can do
this the same reason how a feminist with schizophrenia can
end up in a helplessness spiral that leads to her

(56:48):
never leaving her house or any other mental illness, depression,
anxiety in combination with feminist the feminist helplessness death spiral.
And this is just more of it.

Speaker 1 (57:01):
Okay, yep, okay Uh she believes that society. Yeah. And
also again like she's argues a casual sex dating apps pornography.
I was gonna mention about pornography. She's specifically, I know
because I've seen Lewis Perry talk about this stuff. She
only talked about the pornography that men consume and how
it affects men. But maybe she should look at what

(57:24):
women are reading. I'm just saying, we talked about it
on the show, but it might be a good idea
because people are waking up to the female gooner epidemic
and like the what the potential social consequences or cultural
consequences are for that. And I think that we can't
have a conversation about pornography if we're not looking at

(57:44):
the pornography that women consume, because it's it's it's not
going to work out, like you can ban all if
you somehow managed to ban all the porn for men somehow,
which I don't think is possible. But if you managed
to do it, you would only create a lopsided problem
because now women will still have access. And it will
if even if all the data about porn is true

(58:07):
that you know what the like, the negative consequences, the
negative side effects of porn consumption, even if those are true,
let's say, and I'm not saying they are not. I
just think that the that we should do some studies
and I'm open to that. But even if it is true,
then yeah, especially that more so than than ever, we
should be looking at was how it's affecting women. Yeah,

(58:30):
we're not. We don't even consider what they do, like
that that's what they consume portographic It's like you can
get it at you know, the drug store Walmart and
get it at Walmart.

Speaker 2 (58:39):
So if if, even if we address men's what do
they call it, porn sickness or you know, and the
porn men refusing to have relations Yeah, porn addiction. Relating
the men refusing to have relationships. Yeah, you don't address
women's porn addiction. And women are also going to continue
to refuse to have relationships unless men is an eight

(59:00):
foot tall.

Speaker 1 (59:02):
Cowman with a gigantic mythical beast. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (59:07):
Yeah, some kind of mythical beast, you know, like impossible hill. Yeah,
a swan, you know, that's that's what I'm holding out for.
My hypergamy will only be satisfied by Zeus in the
form of a swan. Yeah, that's gonna be a problem.
That's gonna still stop people from forming families. And yeah,

(59:30):
it's it's often.

Speaker 1 (59:33):
Yeah, I'm just thinking of female female porn books basically.

Speaker 2 (59:36):
Okay, let me let me put it this way. It
is often, it is often conservatives that have this dichotomy,
and they need to heal it. They need to recognize
it and deal with it. That porn for men is
bad and porn for women just doesn't exist, isn't even
on their radar. Well, put it on your radar, Okay.

Speaker 1 (59:56):
Yeah, all right. Anyway, she believes a society would benefit
from returning to traditional values about sex. Don't get me wrong,
I am not advocating a return to the nineteen fifties,
when women were on the shelf by thirty and getting
a suitable husband was their golden life. But I wonder
if by refusing to show any chinks in my intellectual armor,

(01:00:19):
I'm the one who is losing out.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
How are you go to get laid without a husband
and getting rid of promiscuity. Like maybe they wanted to
get a husband because they wanted to have sex, and
that is how you have sex with a husband in
a society that does not encourage promiscuity. Like think about it, Like,

(01:00:42):
if a teenage boy could only have sex when he's married,
wouldn't he also want to be off the shelf by
the time he hits thirty? Why do you think teenage
girls are any different. They want to get laid too,
And if marriage is the only way you get laid,
then there'll be a lot of pressure to take get

(01:01:03):
off the shelf by the time you're thirty. You know,
get off, get off the shell, Get off the shelf.
While your sexuality is really high. In fact, you don't
even need to appeal to shaming or you know, spinsters.
The fact that a society says to a young hormonal girl,
you cannot enjoy your sexual instincts unless you're married, that

(01:01:28):
itself is gonna put way more pressure on her to
get married than anything else. Okay, Like the aunt is
only putting pressure on her to express herself in a relationship. Okay,
that's the pressure not to want to have sex. I
hate to tell you feminists, but horny teenage girls want

(01:01:52):
to have sex, and if society tells them you can
only have sex in a marriage, that is going to
put the pressure on them to get married. All right,
They're gonna want to get married because they want to
fuck because they are horny young bisexual. But bye bye bisexual.

(01:02:14):
I mean two sexes that come together to reproduce mammals.
There you go. And the the cultural pressure on that
isn't to create the desire to get off the shelf.
It's to create the desire to get off the shelf
in a way that doesn't damage yourself and doesn't damage
others and doesn't damage society. Aka, don't don't, don't, don't

(01:02:36):
have sex outside of marriage. I mean, what the hell
is this? Like, Oh my god, it's so much pressure
on teenage girls to do to do what they have
to get laid. Yeah, no shit, it's called biology. Yep,
good grief, Okay, all right, I gotta.

Speaker 1 (01:02:56):
I gotta. I guess. It's like a membership comment from ZARANX.
So it's yeah, it comes up as a spore. He's
a spore, I guess. And he says Luise Perry comes
off like Phyllis Schlaffley and Christina hoff Summers. That would
make her more of a second wave feminist, if she's
to be categorized. Well, yeah, I know, I remember we

(01:03:19):
we didn't finish it, but we were watching that debate
on Diary of a CEO a while back, and it
was about whether or not, like you know, feminism is
anti male or something like that, and they and it
turned into a discussion about abandoning feminism. Of course, no
one on the panel is, including the man who's you know,

(01:03:41):
whose channel it is Diary of a CEO himself. None
of them were against feminism like they were all they were,
you know, well one of them was like a diehard
like you know, all the way progressive feminist. But the
other women who were more critical were still okay with
you know, second wave femanism or whatever, or even like

(01:04:01):
third wave like the nineties there a nineties resurgence. They
didn't want to give any of that up because they
were too I think that they're afraid. I think that
they fear men still, and I think that to completely
back away from that ideology for them puts them at
a risk of you know, losing their rights or something,
which is just like again it's it's like, uh, it's

(01:04:23):
it's mythological, like that's not gonna happen, you know. And
but yeah, Louise Perry was on that panel. She was
one of the women on there. There were there was
I don't remember everybody, but I know Louise Perry was
one of them. So it was a diary of a
CEO and uh, and there's a great video actually I
think it was. I know that Janie Fiammengo was one

(01:04:46):
of them, but there are a few other MRAs that
responded to that video. And Janet's had a nice rant
at the end where you know, she was basically doing
the whole I'm you know, all of it's got to go,
like basically like there's no there's no good wave that
we need to preserve women are not in danger of losing.
Like the assumption that if we got rid of feminism

(01:05:06):
tomorrow that women would immediately be put into like the
slave camps. It's based on a fear and hatred of
men that they would just do that. They could do
that now if men wanted to, they could do it now,
but they won't do it. So like why do they
what are they afraid of? Why do they think this
like illusion of like rights and freedoms and liberation that

(01:05:30):
they have. They get to say, well, I have feminism,
so I'm safe right now. That's like saying, you know,
like remember when you played tag and there was like
a place called we called it glue where you can
go there and they can't tag you because you're on glue.
Like that's what. That's a complete illusion, But that's what
they do. And it's like, so for you to even
assume that feminism is the only defense against male oppression,

(01:05:55):
which is it, Like that is absolutely delusional and absurd
because you don't actually have it, Like it only exists
because men protect you because they're.

Speaker 2 (01:06:07):
What yeah, and that well, the thing is that this
only exists because of inherent male benevolence. Yeah, I mean,
I would say, I would argue that men can't really
change this because women have this prerogative to define the
moral weight of men's actions. And so essentially what happens

(01:06:30):
if women define more men's actions is wrong. Other men
will then punish them because of altruistic punishment. So, but
the problem is that feminism in the feminist framework they
say men have all of this power, and they say
they have all of this ill intent towards women. And

(01:06:51):
in that feminist framework, feminism doesn't work. No, right, it doesn't.
That your location of this is glue. Therefore, I'm safe
doesn't work unless men are agreeing to the rules that
you're setting. And if men are agreeing to the rules
that you're setting, that means that they're ultimately benevolent, which

(01:07:13):
means your accusations of ill intent are false. So, like
I said, I think that there is much The dynamic
between the genders is much more complex because of evolutionary
and reproductive pressures placed on men to ensure that their
actions maintain women's benefit. But in the simplistic feminist framework,

(01:07:35):
feminism is useless. If feminism's premises are correct. Yeah, okay,
all right, let's all right. Are are we close to
the end?

Speaker 1 (01:07:46):
Yeah? This is almost over and one.

Speaker 2 (01:07:49):
Freaking actual So far, I haven't seen the one thing
I've been looking for, which is actually taking responsibility.

Speaker 1 (01:07:59):
Yeah. Interesting, all right, let's see. So, Jess, I'm not
advocating to return to the fifties. I was gonna say
about this. This nineteen fifties, The Specter of the nineteen
fifties that they keep bringing up. And I know we've
already debunked the nineteen fifties, but like, are are they
going to be bringing up the nineteen fifties in the

(01:08:20):
year like twenty thirty or twenty forty? Are we still
going to be talking about the nineteen fifties? Like how
far away from that era do we have to get
before feminists can no longer use it as like a
woozle to scare people, even though it's there, it's all
a lie anyway, But like, how far away do we
have to get? Like what about in one hundred years,

(01:08:42):
are we still going to be referencing the nineteen fifties.
I mean, we're rebably not gonna be here in one
hundred years, to be honest, but we'll see. I don't
know anyway, just something to think about.

Speaker 2 (01:08:52):
It remains comes to the eighties. You notice that now
it's going into the nineties now, because it's always usually
a generation before the great suffering, the great women's the
great era of women's suffering is always about a generation
before the current day. I actually said that in the
late in the early naughties, like in the early two thousands.

(01:09:14):
I pointed out that the great generation of women's suffering
is always the great era of women's suffering is always
a generation before the current era, because at that point
in time it was moving from like the the fifties
and sixties into the seventies and eighties, and now it's
moving into the nineties. And yeah, it's always like about

(01:09:36):
a generation before the current the current era. And but
what also of the fifties. For some reason, the fifties
are always always singled out as some horrible era of
women's oppression, which is interesting because that was the about
the era that Hollywood removed women's traditional role as a

(01:09:59):
home instead and replaced it to be your consumer, so
which which led to women's the greatest reduction in women's
in women's labor in human history, go from six days
a week, twelves hours a day to three days, three

(01:10:20):
three hours a day, five days a week. That was
the reduction in women's labor. Guys, that happened in the fifties.
And yet the fifties remains like the the the ultimate
vortex of anti women sentiment. Even though that society literally
that literally like it didn't it gave women an entire

(01:10:42):
extra lifetime of leisure to enjoy. That's what the fifties
society did, and women are never going to forgive men
for it. So I'm guessing that it will always be
it will always be the specter because of what happened,
what men did in the fifties. Yeah, what men did,

(01:11:05):
and what men did was he They took women's role
from a massive job of twelve hours a day, six
days a week, and they gave them so much free time.
How dare those patriarchal oppressors?

Speaker 3 (01:11:25):
How dare they?

Speaker 2 (01:11:26):
We will never forgive, never forget, never forgive, never forget
ladies never. It's the problem with no name, they can
I'm bored because I can't entertain myself.

Speaker 1 (01:11:41):
Okay, all right, I got a rumble ran from Novah
Pan twenty one, who says for a dollar, Notice how
they never denied the success of the nineteen fifties. They
hate it, but they'll never fix it because they know
the nineteen fifties work on women. Oh they like as
a narrative. Yeah, well that's what I'm saying. Like they're
going to be bringing this up for years and years,

(01:12:03):
no matter how far away we move from what moved
from there. It will always be like this, this specter,
this shadow that haunts women because it could it could
come back at any minute. That's why they always say,
I don't want to go back to that. Like you
weren't even alive then, how do you know, Like.

Speaker 2 (01:12:17):
You had all the same rights you have today, except socially,
you were in a situation where you mostly didn't have
to do anything. Yep, I mean you even had at
that point in time, they even had widespread schooling.

Speaker 1 (01:12:36):
Well except for emotional labor.

Speaker 2 (01:12:37):
Obviously I do that, Yeah, a little bit emotional labor,
but you.

Speaker 1 (01:12:42):
Know, aside from that, the worst kind of labor. Apparently.
Whilst I will never be a giggly man pleaser and
have no intention of playing second fiddle to a man,
the confidence signals I've been giving out all these years
were at odds with what's going on in.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
And also you're you're done, like you just lost you
just got off the last train out of Crownsville, your tongue.
It doesn't freaking matter what you are going to do,
because you're probably not going to get another partner. I mean,
you're at the point where you actually have to This

(01:13:25):
is really what's happened. This is the wall for this woman.
And I know this sounds strange. The wall for this
woman is when her body is in such a state
of decrepitude that she can't even offer it, like men
aren't even that. Men are at an age where they
don't even they're not even as driven. They're not driven

(01:13:46):
enough by sexuality to want to be around her, even
to have access to her dusty bat cave. Or they're
just like nope, I'm you know, like that whole joke
where the old guys and the in the home and
he gets visited by as a prostitute, you know his

(01:14:06):
and and she uh, and she says to him, and
she's all decked out, you know, boobs all seven ways
to Sun with Sunday and and she goes over to
him and she says, are you ready for some super sex?
Super sex? And he says, I'll take the soup. That's

(01:14:31):
that's that's that's your problem there, lady. You're now in
an age group where the men would rather have the soup,
which means your body is worth nothing. It's not just
that you're physically decrepit. You're an old woman now you're
also you're also swimming in the pool of old men,

(01:14:54):
and they are there is driven by your what the
one thing you have on offer, because every something else
is corrosive, Like you're a corrosive human being. So yeah,
I imagine that you you you're that last boyfriend was
your last train out of Cronesville, and there ain't gonna
be another one because the goods you have on offer

(01:15:17):
men don't want anymore. They're too old. And maybe maybe
maybe maybe an insult you could you could fish in
those waters, perhaps, but you're not going to because you're hypergament.
Likely even requires that your boyfriend brings something to the table.

(01:15:37):
Oh good lord, yep, okay, all.

Speaker 1 (01:15:42):
Right, last paragraph. Well, yeah, huh. I have learned to
step back and let things go and have realized that
things mustn't always veer towards the satisfaction of the self.
I am struck by how easy. Yeah, that is revelation.
At sixty three. I came to the realization that it's

(01:16:02):
not about me.

Speaker 4 (01:16:04):
I came to the realization that a relationship has two
people and it not just me.

Speaker 2 (01:16:09):
Sixty three. I don't honestly, at this point, I don't
think it was feminism that that that's that screwed this woman. No,
this is this is some new level. This is some
new level salopism. Sorry, solypism, sollpism. You see, my dyslex

(01:16:32):
is real, real word.

Speaker 1 (01:16:33):
That's actually appropriate in this in this context. Oh was
that shade a little bit her for using trill? Like?

Speaker 2 (01:16:44):
Oh?

Speaker 1 (01:16:45):
God?

Speaker 2 (01:16:45):
Well, but but but it could also be shade at me.

Speaker 1 (01:16:49):
Admittedly, No, I think solism is just fitting. I wasn't
drying through shade you.

Speaker 2 (01:16:54):
No, my inability to pronounce things and use words.

Speaker 1 (01:16:58):
In weird Oh yeah, I guess. No, No, I think yeah,
I wasn't thinking that, but yeah, okay, all right. Anyway,
So I am struck by how by uh well, yeah, no,
I'm sorry. I have learned a step back and let
things go, and have realized that things mustn't always veer
towards the satisfaction of the self. I'm struck by how

(01:17:19):
easy and peaceful it feels to let my date slash
boyfriends take the lead. It is not a case of
It is not a case of dumbing down or morphing
into a woman. She's still can I finish the pa?

Speaker 2 (01:17:37):
Just okay? Her overwhelming entitlement just slap me in the face.
I'm sorry, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:17:44):
I am struck by how easy and peaceful it feels
to let my date slash boyfriends take the lead. It
is not a case of dumbing down or morphing into
a Stepford woman, but simply dialing down a bit of
me and letting them shine. F Yi, my diaries wide open.

Speaker 2 (01:17:59):
Go on, I did magnificent of you.

Speaker 1 (01:18:04):
Yea.

Speaker 2 (01:18:04):
As long as long as you're still doing what I want,
I'll let you lead, and I won't I won't blow
my light up so that you end up being washed
out in comparison. Good grief. This woman is a massive egotist.
She is She is a gigantic egotist. This isn't This

(01:18:28):
isn't a freaking This isn't the story of a sixty
three year old woman. This is a sixty three year
old narcissist. He realizes her wrinkly butt can't get her
attention anymore, and she has to offer Oo's come to
the realization at the age of sixty three that a
relationship involves more than just herself. Mind blown, mind blown,

(01:18:54):
I'll never recover.

Speaker 1 (01:18:58):
Yeah, So I mean, look, I I genuinely am sad
for her in that because regardless of like her her
personality issues. Well, yeah, no, I get it, I get it.
But like the man that she did not end up
with will probably recover and they'll be fine. But I

(01:19:19):
don't think it's I don't think it's I don't want
anyone to die alone, but I think she will. So
that's where my my sympathy.

Speaker 2 (01:19:27):
Everyone ultimately dies alone. It's just what who you end
up with before that point, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:19:34):
Like the I mean, like she's gonna be surrounded by
like nobody. She knows. It's gonna be some like you know,
annoyed employee at a nursing home or something as opposed
to like like family and friends and children. So and
uh yeah, I mean that's I mean, yes, she brought

(01:19:57):
on herself, but she needs she needed to see meaning.
And this is what this article is. Actually an opportunity
for her to share some wisdom and advice to the
younger generation of women, to tell them, don't do what
I did. But that's not in this She's not even saying,
here's an opportunity for me to like stave someone else

(01:20:20):
who might be like going down the same road that
I went down, so I can tell them, don't do that,
but instead she's like, Oh, I'm just taking it easy now.
I guess I'll let guys take the lead sometimes. But
she's not gonna she's not gonna have dates, like they're
gonna dry up really quick if they haven't already, and not.
Everything after at this point is just cope. It's just cope.

Speaker 2 (01:20:42):
So yeah, it's just cope. And I I don't I
don't know if I am sorry for her, because I'm
not sure if she really understands the concept of a relationship.
So she's not missing out on anything because she's incapable
of having one. Brian, like, she's this this woman is

(01:21:06):
absolutely foxed by her mentality. Like, so, I don't even
know what to say. Is it sad that she's going
to die alone? She's a massive narcissist. What though it's
going to happen. Is she's going to die while imposing
incredible demands on her character the last people are paid

(01:21:26):
to care give her and making herself an absolute awful person.
So it's like, I actually feel more. I feel more
sorry for her ultimate hospice nurses and orderlies than I
do her because when when she is right at the

(01:21:50):
edge and she realizes that she doesn't continue into internity. Yeah,
there's nothing left for the narcissist to hang on to
except vitriol and nastiness and jealousy of everybody who's going
to live past her, which she will be. She will

(01:22:11):
be in the presence of She will be in the
presence of people who do not care about her, have
nothing to do with her legacy, and she will have
to live with the fact that they are going to
live past her as a narcissist, a narcissist who thinks
that they're the end all and be all of the universe,
there's that that's going to be. Like I've actually read

(01:22:34):
some of the testimony from nurses hospice nurses not hospice
is correct, who talk about having to deal with narcissistic
patients at their end of life. There's no awakening to
the beauty of existence. There's just the increasingly atavistic scramble

(01:22:57):
for more life by torturing those who you know will
have will eventually live on beyond you. It's like just
it's like a it's it's like a drowning person scrabbling
on to somebody else. So, yeah, or she could have

(01:23:20):
learned in her twenties that relationships and will involved more
than just her, but she didn't. So here we are, Yeah,
okay do we do?

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
You know?

Speaker 3 (01:23:34):
Oh?

Speaker 2 (01:23:34):
I have that. I have that one video we never covered.
I sent it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:23:43):
Not a video, the princess video, not.

Speaker 2 (01:23:47):
The Prince well, yes, the Princess treatment video. We could
look at that. You gotta do the super child I
will get this video.

Speaker 1 (01:23:53):
I gotta I got a super chat. I don't have
anything super childs or anything like that. So Zaran gives
us five dollars super chat and says, I love that
the fear of returning to the nineteen fifties overshadows the
flappers of the nineteen twenties, the era one can reasonably
assume is responsible for mini skirts. Yeah, but if men
enjoy miniskirts, therefore they're bad. That's true. They could go there,

(01:24:15):
but like the fifties, is something that Hollywood took advantage of.
So I think that's the reason. Remember feminists always they
always make reference to cultural things like shows and movies
and music in order to make their arguments, and of
course those things are made by other feminists, or at
least people who are sympathetic to the women's movement. So
it works because they get to point to it and say,

(01:24:36):
look at this thing that totally happened that I saw
on TV. And then you know, the movies are like,
this totally happened, and we're making a representation of it,
and now you have to reckon with that. And it's
really it's everywhere, So it's not like you have counterexamples.
The Flappers was probably a little bit too old. Maybe
there were things written about it, but it's not quite

(01:24:56):
as solid, and maybe it even is a little too
far away. But the fifties feels close because you know,
we still dress similar like some people dress retro and
and there's a lot of media that you can make
reference to. So that's what I think anyway.

Speaker 2 (01:25:17):
All Right, so I sent you a link. Yeah, it's
a link through your your dam What is this? Yeah,
it's called what the gender Gap is really about? So
they're referring to the gender gap in goals between men.
Do you want to give it a go or is it?

Speaker 1 (01:25:35):
Yeah? Let me just open it up.

Speaker 2 (01:25:37):
We can see how much we can get into it
with it. Yeah, it's still downloading, so oh you can't
play it in the Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:25:46):
I had to download it first because it's not a link.
You sent me a file, right, Oh.

Speaker 2 (01:25:51):
Yeah, well I guess so. Yeah, I mean I can
play it in discord, but I guess it.

Speaker 1 (01:25:57):
No, that doesn't make sense. Okay, so let me just
hold on a second. All right, let's see if this
plays audio?

Speaker 5 (01:26:10):
What the gender?

Speaker 1 (01:26:11):
Yeah it does, Okay.

Speaker 5 (01:26:13):
Our gap among young people is actually about.

Speaker 2 (01:26:18):
Are you getting an echo at all?

Speaker 1 (01:26:20):
No? Are you nope?

Speaker 5 (01:26:23):
Nope, just Paul good Katie jg LN. One thing that
was made clear last year dubbed a super year for elections,
is that the ideological gap between women and men, especially
among the younger generation, is widening. In the EU, twenty
one percent of general z men aged eighteen to twenty

(01:26:46):
express support for far right parties.

Speaker 1 (01:26:49):
Far right, Yeah, far right.

Speaker 2 (01:26:56):
You mean slightly right of center, that's.

Speaker 1 (01:27:01):
Far right when you're really really really far left though.

Speaker 2 (01:27:04):
Yeah, that's like I've seen these diagrams. Okay, So men
and women are sort of going equal along the line right,
and then what was it ten years ago, after me
too or something, women start going like the zoom to
the left, just boom, and men sort of go a

(01:27:26):
little bit right. And but women are like let me
see where I'm at here. What I got to look
at myself so I can see if you guys are seeing. Okay, right,
women are this far left and men have gone this
far right. That's it. And actually women are like so
far left, they're completely off the screen. They're they're so

(01:27:49):
far left, they've lapped the entire political compass and now
have their heads up their own asses. And men have
gone slightly right if that or just stayed center. Yeah,
but that's men going far right. Well, of course, because
if you're if you're a woman, right, you know, and

(01:28:11):
you start out here a man, this is a woman, right,
this is a man, and you're sort of in the
same area of the political compass, and then you start
sprinting off to the left from your vantage point, you
knowp this is relativity. From your vantage point, the man
appears to be moving at phenomenal speed towards the right

(01:28:31):
because you're you're going like this right, and you are
based on your vantage point. If you measure their velocity,
the men's velocity, obviously they're going to the right, and
they're going at fantastic speed because you're sprinting away to
the left. Okay, all right, more Yeah, and.

Speaker 5 (01:28:52):
Of their female peers, a divide that has increased sharply
since twenty twenty, driven largely by young men's shift the
right presidential election.

Speaker 2 (01:29:10):
I'm sorry, I feel like, I know, I feel like
this this cancer is it is. You don't even I
feel like I'm I'm imposing upon you, Brian, this character.

Speaker 1 (01:29:22):
No, no, no, no no, it's not that, it's just.

Speaker 2 (01:29:30):
The cancer itself.

Speaker 1 (01:29:32):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:29:32):
Most young women fifty eight percent voted for the Democratic
candidate Kamala Harris, and most young men fifty six percent
back to her Republican opponent, incumbent President Donald Trump. Similar
trends can also be observed in the UK, South Korea, China,
and Tunisia, while young women overwhelmingly lean liberal or left,

(01:29:58):
making them arguably the most progressive generation in history.

Speaker 2 (01:30:04):
Yeah, okay, so at least all the progressive.

Speaker 1 (01:30:07):
Therefore, it's good because of the word progressive means good.
So they're the most good people, the most good demographic
of women in history, the best women.

Speaker 2 (01:30:19):
The party is single, the Party of single women. Friends,
this is the party of single women. As soon as
the critical mass of single women informed, they constructed these
self reinforcing tar pits. The drag drags them down into
a miasma of misery and failed promises to themselves and others,

(01:30:42):
and also drags society down into the tar pit.

Speaker 5 (01:30:47):
Okay, yep, young men are increasingly gravitating in the opposite direction.
Considering that young people tend to be both more liberal
and more idea logically aligned, this is quite unprecedented, and
even more so since today's gender divide isn't just confined

(01:31:08):
to voting booths either.

Speaker 2 (01:31:10):
Okay, yes, and that's because get this, the Democratic Party
right it declared war on men and masculinity. It literally
regards them as being the scourge that they are going

(01:31:30):
to purge from society. I don't know about you. I mean,
it's like I was like reading this article from The Atlantic,
I think it was The Atlantic, and they were talking
about how during Trump's first term he was much more
willing to cooperate and concede ground during the government's shutdown,

(01:31:51):
and now he's wielding it like a weapon against his
political opponents. And you know, wherever you stand on this issue,
I was reading this and I was thinking, yes, because
you have launched a law a horrendous law fair campaign
against the man and he no longer extends good faith

(01:32:13):
to your side. What did you expect? These are the
consequences of your actions. That entire group of people that
have that particular viewpoint that apparently, apparently the definition of
the Democratic Party is that men in masculinity are satan
and need to be removed from society and therefore and

(01:32:33):
then it will become better when look at their freaking rhetoric.
Look at what they even say about themselves, and how
the future is female and how embracing women's ways of
knowing is going to create a better world. Like this
is from them, Okay, they've launched this war, so they
are the party of anti men, and when men are like,

(01:32:58):
you know, I don't really want to be part of
the party of, you know, hating men and being not
being trying to destroy men. Now, I don't want to
be the party of trying to destroy masculinity. I'd rather not,
thank you.

Speaker 4 (01:33:12):
They're like, why, what horrible demonic force is causing young
men to turn away from our party with its noble
aspirations to destroy men in masculinity?

Speaker 2 (01:33:27):
Like that's the same thing. They just don't understand the
consequences of their own actions. What a surprise from a
party that is comprised mostly of single women, like that's
their power base. Good lord, Okay, you know, actually one
thing before we continue, you could probably increase the speed
get through it faster.

Speaker 1 (01:33:49):
Option. Oh yeah, here it.

Speaker 2 (01:33:50):
Is there, we go go for like point five actually.

Speaker 1 (01:33:53):
Point one point two five, right or one point five
point five?

Speaker 2 (01:33:58):
Probably will we probably will if if it's incoherent, we
can reduce the speed. Now listen to her trill.

Speaker 5 (01:34:06):
All right, I'm born on the cusp of millennials and
gen z. I can't experience suggest one point. The gender
gap is a mere statistical mirage. Women my age usually
share my political beliefs, at least to an extent. With men. Well,

(01:34:27):
it's more of a gamble, and it's only my male
acquaintances I've watched slide into the alt right or red
pill pipeline in recent years.

Speaker 1 (01:34:33):
Wait, the male acquaintances, So you know men that have
slipped into the alt right or red pill pipeline. Are
you to define those things? Like what does that mean?
And how are they? Are they still your acquaintances? Can
you be in the room with them without getting kidnapped
or enslaved? Like I mean, like.

Speaker 2 (01:34:54):
Literally, like alt right for a man is not doing
whatever a man, a woman, specifically a woman from the
party of single women does in that moment, the lady, no,
you don't. You don't get that influence over men. You
have to actually be married one to have that level
of influence. That's that's the cost, that's the toll you
have to pay. Yeah, you you party a single ladies

(01:35:15):
you yeah, you can be fine, you could be single,
but you don't get influence over men.

Speaker 1 (01:35:21):
Right of course, Yeah, of course, all right, that's.

Speaker 2 (01:35:24):
That's that's the thing. What she's saying is that her
male acquaintances who refuse to count out to her politically
have become evil.

Speaker 1 (01:35:34):
Mm hmm. They're slipping into evil.

Speaker 2 (01:35:36):
Right, they're slipping into evil.

Speaker 1 (01:35:37):
Losing them to the to the evil, to the to
the evil force, to the dark side.

Speaker 5 (01:35:44):
Course, this isn't everyone everywhere, but the trend is unmistakably there,
and it extends to cultural issues as well. More young
women than ever identify as feminists and agree that gender
discrimination against women remains a media issue.

Speaker 2 (01:36:00):
Yeah, yeah, you know what, you guys are discriminating against
yourselves more than anyone else. Like, literally, I have gone
through the Twitter profiles. I've had Grock compile and meta
analysis of the Twitter profiles of all the feminists who
swan at me, and every single one of them diminishes
women's effective agency relative to men. They have embraced a

(01:36:22):
narrative learned helplessness. They are discriminating against their own sense
of self, like these women are. They're annihilating their own
sense of self, and then they're projecting it onto everyone else,
just like that woman. Her fundamental the woman that we
just listened, we just read the article. Her fundamental error

(01:36:46):
is that she never realized that relationships involve two people, right,
not just her needs. And one of those needs is
apparently to tea bag her partner in public. Okay, Like
she never realized that, well, relationship actually involves too, okay,
And then she proceeded in her great enlightenment article, Oh

(01:37:08):
I've seen the light to blame everyone but herself. Okay,
that is. But the problem is she has the primary
control over her life, and that is what she's refusing
to acknowledge. And that's what these women refuse to acknowledge.
And this learned helplessness leaves them in a situation where

(01:37:31):
they don't have the tools to make anything of their lives.
So and then they and then they turn around and well,
my life is a master So I've made nothing of it.
It's the patriarchy's fault. Bullshit, it's your fault. It's all
your faults. Okay, I blame women.

Speaker 1 (01:37:49):
Okay, So let's uh yeah, let's keep.

Speaker 5 (01:37:52):
Going and oppose feminism, claiming it has gone too far.
In South Korea, young men now insist that it's men,
not women, facing more discrimination. A brand new poll from
the nineteenth and Survey Monkey, conducted with over twenty thousand
US adults, also found that young men are far more
likely than their female peers and even men in older generations,

(01:38:14):
to agree that society would benefit from a return to
traditional gender roles. Women across the political spectrum disagree.

Speaker 2 (01:38:23):
Okay, but traditional banda roles according to the Party of
Single Women, because they're the Party of single Women, right,
and they see everything in relation to their particular chosen lifestyles.
Traditional gender roles are simply being married and having children.
That's it. Yeah, even if it's a high powered boss

(01:38:47):
babe who trades stocks on Wall Street and comes home
to her house husband who takes care of their their
quadruplets have that they had through IVF therapy or whatever else,
or surrogacy. Even that is a traditional relationship, according to
the Part and Party of Single Women, because it involves

(01:39:09):
a woman and a man and their genetic issue their children.

Speaker 1 (01:39:19):
Yes, you interesting is that this article, like many, like
they all do, actually pretty much just assumes that the woman,
the position of women is like I don't know, just
kind of let's say, uh, by default the good idea.

(01:39:44):
It is just like inarguable, like this.

Speaker 2 (01:39:46):
Is just what we're thinking.

Speaker 1 (01:39:50):
We just think this is so when they because like
I don't know if the article is gonna do this,
but I'm I would think that if you're going to
start an article called what young people what the general
gap amongst young people is actually about, it's actually going
to ask like, if men are moving in this direction,

(01:40:10):
there should be curiosity about why and a desire to
understand that position, like why would men go, why would
they feel this way? Why are they why are they
moving you know, in this direction? Why do they want
you know, traditional families? What is the like I want
to understand that position because we all have to live

(01:40:32):
on this same planet, and but they're not doing that
they're just like, well, women want this and men don't
seem to agree with it, Like that's it, Like men
don't want what I want, Like I want this and
men don't seem to want that, and I think that's
a problem. I feel like this isn't going to try
to understand the male position. It's probably just going to
try to uh demonize and pathologize it. You know, yes,

(01:40:57):
is it just going to be like, oh, they just
want to control women again. They're mad because we are
we're empowered. Now, we're bosses. Now they're mad. They want
to seize back their patriarchal oppression that that doesn't have
any like understanding or desire to understand the male position.
You like it. That's again, I don't know if they
say it, so I'm not gonna bury the believe. I'm

(01:41:19):
just saying that's what it looks like spoilers.

Speaker 2 (01:41:21):
No, they don't, Okay, Okay, And you're absolutely one hundred
percent right. Everything is from the point of view the
frame of the party of single women. Okay, Yeah, that
is the frame. Everything is judged based on. That frame
makes it makes democrats make complete sense. When you understand that,
you understand why these women. Women advocate for all of

(01:41:44):
their pet minorities because these are their infant classes, and
so don't I don't, And no, she never extends herself
to understand why men would do this. She only extends
herself to shame them. But again, like I said, yeah, fun,
you can be part of the party of single women,
but that means you no longer have influence over men,
and men should not have to pay for your life

(01:42:04):
in any capacity, even if you have kids.

Speaker 1 (01:42:08):
Yeah, okay, So like, for example, just looking out how
it's framed here it said she said earlier. Meanwhile, many
men oppose feminism, claiming it's gone too far, so they
just saying that they oppose it, and then they put
too far in quotes like it's just like this completely
unbelievable thing that how could they possibly suggest it. I

(01:42:30):
just said that women agree that it's a that gender
discrimination remains a major issue. So you start by saying,
here's what the women believe, and it's obviously true. This
is what she's claiming. Women believe this. It's obviously true
because women believe it, and I am a woman, so
I believe it too. But men believe the opposite, which
can't be true, because like they're obviously not they're not women.

(01:42:52):
How could they know? I know what I feel and
you don't know what I'm feeling. Right in Korea young
men now in is that it's men, not women, facing
more discrimination. So now she's taking it further and saying
this is even did you guys hear how crazy this is?
There are men in South Korea making this claim. Now
I don't know if they're actually making this claim because

(01:43:12):
I generally don't believe these people when they say this,
because they say the same thing about us. They say, oh,
MRAs think that men are the ones that are oppressed.
Never said that. I think that you know there are.
It's a it's a completely different thing to say men
have issues and maybe like you know that some of
them should be like are in fact systemic right things
that we should change at the highest level. But they

(01:43:35):
will say instead, oh, no, you just think it's oppression.
And the reason why they do it is because they
know it sounds absurd, and so they use it as
a way to like essentially dismiss our our beliefs or
our claims. And so when they knew this, but the
South Korea thing they're doing the same thing they're saying.
Those South Korean guys, they think they're the ones that
are oppressed. But they also claim that South Korea is
really traditional, so they're you know, I don't know, I don't.

Speaker 2 (01:43:58):
Know if you care, No, I don't what you're saying everything
is according to nothing outside the single woman's mind and
nothing legitimate, nothing outside like nothing, there's nothing legitimate out
of her standard.

Speaker 1 (01:44:13):
Right.

Speaker 2 (01:44:15):
But again, if you're going to be the single party
of single women, you don't get to have influence over men. Sorry,
you don't get that, all right, let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:44:24):
It's actually slightly larger among conservatives than liberals. Another new
study done by ipso's UK and the Global Institute for
Women Leadership at King's College, London, across thirty countries paints.

Speaker 1 (01:44:37):
So I'm gonna go back to something here. It says
women across the political spectrum disagree, and interestingly, the gender
gap is actually large slightly larger amongst conservatives than liberals.
So that means that the conservative conservative women are not
that conservative. I called it, of course, not like they're

(01:44:58):
almost all feminists, Like they're just like what era, that's all,
that's that's the thing, Like the trad the trad con
women online they're all feminists like they're they're not actually
living trad you know, you know who is. So I
just as a little story, like last weekend, I was
invited by this family, this couple and their kids that

(01:45:22):
go somebody, they go to our church, and they wanted
to have Lindsay and I over. So we went. We
finally was able to bring Jojo and and have the
time to go, and we went there and we had
some we had some barbecue and it was a good time.
And what I realized is that they know about men's
rights content and they were they were really like what

(01:45:44):
they got. Because I didn't know we were going to
talk about this stuff, okay, because I didn't want to
like really you know, get into like what I do.
But it came up in a small conversation Lindsay had
with the wife I don't want to say their names,
but the wife of the family. And though the wife
brought up documentary on men's issues, just like randomly, because

(01:46:06):
we weren't talking about what we do, I don't think
or or maybe she asked what I did, and Lindsay
said that Brian does a podcast, and the woman said, oh,
are you talking about The Red Pill? And Lindsay was
like yeah, and they started conversation. She's like, oh, I
love that movie. I love Cassie j et cetera. And
then like we once they knew that, like this is

(01:46:28):
what I do. And I know I knew Cassie j.
Haven't seen her in a while and everything. It just
we all sat around ate food and talked about men's
rights and feminism the whole time. And they were completely
They weren't surprised by it, they weren't upset by it
or anything. They were all about it. They were totally
about it. And I was like, Okay, so this and

(01:46:49):
these people are I wouldn't even say that they're like
crad in the sense that you might expect, Like they're
just normal people and they just understand the issues and
they believe they agree with them. And there it's not
like did they even have any personal mistakes in it either.
They don't have sons, they have daughters, but like you know,
the wife and mother, she's like, well, you know, I

(01:47:09):
want my daughters to grow up not hating men, you know,
and she and she was talking about how the women
around her that she grew up with you know, they're
still single and she's married with like two kids and
you know. So so my point is is that the
the the gap that they're measuring, uh is, I think

(01:47:30):
it's real. But I think that it's like the people
that we see online that call themselves like trad com women,
they're just not like that woman is I think because
they're really doing it, you know, And I think a
lot of people at my church are like that, but
not like the people online, not the Tommy Lawns and
the you know, the Brett Cooper's and the candae owans. Is.
I don't think that those those those are trad women

(01:47:52):
at all. And I think that they're they're just less
far left than the liberal women are, but that doesn't
mean that they're not still feminists of their own stripe.

Speaker 2 (01:48:01):
So yeah, yeah, I think it actually transcends this dichotomy.
Now I'm going to qualify this. I don't think there's
a lot of women who give a crap about men
on the left anymore. They would have to leave at
this point, and uh, I think Shoe might be one

(01:48:24):
of them, you know, But I think she's moving away
from being on the left. I think maybe, but that
doesn't mean the women on the right really understand what
it is to conserve things and the necessity of conserving

(01:48:44):
a positive relationship between men and women. Yeah, and that
when they buy into the feminist framework, they're buying into
something that's socially corrosive, okay. And so there's there's no
guarantee that a conservative woman is going to get it

(01:49:05):
because she might be conservative for her own interests, you know.
And I think a lot of the big, the big
conservative female commentators don't really have a genuine interest in
understanding what conservatism is. It means you don't pour acid
on your social institutions, and feminism is acid. And believing

(01:49:25):
that men oppressed women is acid, and not taking into
account the point of view of men is acid.

Speaker 1 (01:49:35):
Yeah. And you don't look at everything that exists in
the world in terms of how you might benefit or
how you might lose out, because that's the the thing,
like they don't do that. They're they understand that, like,
you know, you're not here to get every get that bag.

Speaker 2 (01:49:54):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:49:54):
That's like that that's not that important, right, So that's
hard for people do, especially women. And that's what I'm saying,
like most of when we talk about like what women
qualify as trat or not, what I'm really saying is
they're they're women first, so like the the feminism is
just like politicizing their nature and they can have an

(01:50:15):
effect on them that's outside of like even beyond that, right.
But but yeah, I mean I don't think I think that,
Like the reason why my my friends from church that
we went and hung out with were fine was because
they were secure with each other. And they don't. They're
not like the kind of people who have, like, you know,

(01:50:37):
a lot of friends or a big network, like it's
just their family, you know, and then like they they
have a little bit of a community and that's it.
But they're they're okay with that. They're humble enough to
be like, well, I don't I don't need everyone to
know that I'm a genius or a writer or whatever, right,
I just have this and they're happy with that. So
I think it's just like an understanding that like what

(01:50:58):
you like, what is in what you have, doesn't really
define who you are, but more like you know what
you're what you're moving towards in terms of like having
meaning in your life, and they do, and I think
that that's that's the thing with that other woman. She
didn't have meaning in her life. That's why she's like, Well,
I'm a writer and I create content, and I'm I
go to I go to foreign countries and I eat

(01:51:19):
meals that are very exotic and I can speak Italian.
And it's like, yeah, but but what else, Like that's nothing,
like you know, that's that's not substantial. I don't know
if you're going to figure it out, but it's not enough.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
So and yeah, it's more about people's impressions of who
she is she's a narcissist than who she is, right,
I mean you could there's probably plenty of women who
spent their life traveling and that's authentically who they are.
But that but they're not writing articles talking about this

(01:51:52):
like oh I'm all this, that and the other thing,
and uh, you know, they're just having the experience because
that's what they're drawn to. Okay, let's listen to some
more of this nonsense.

Speaker 5 (01:52:05):
Same picture. Gen Z women and men are more divided
on feminism, gender roles, and women's rights than any other generation.
Young we you know why, also more likely than young men.

Speaker 2 (01:52:16):
Well, let's letting finish the sentence.

Speaker 1 (01:52:19):
All right, let me just I have to get the uh.

Speaker 2 (01:52:22):
You can't use the space bar to stop, and I can.

Speaker 1 (01:52:25):
But I'm also I'm doing other things.

Speaker 5 (01:52:27):
I'm themselves from religious institutions, many of which, after all,
still cling to traditional, complimentary roles for women and men.

Speaker 2 (01:52:36):
Okay, stop complimentary roles. She's not even talking like, she's
not even framing it as some kind of im like
some kind of oppression of women. It's just complimentary. So
if you believe that men and women are complimentary, you're
a conservative, you know, like, for example, if you believe
that women give birth and men in sement eight, you're

(01:52:57):
a conservative. Yeah, like this, this is the complete deterioration
of thought here like that, and the complete deterioration of anything.
And here's the thing she talks about this, like that
traditional gender roles will save society. Yes, the way that

(01:53:17):
you've defined traditional gender roles and complementarianism is basically human
reproduction at this point, And guess what you need to
do it in order for society to have a future,
Like I can't believe, like we're here, though we're here,
we're at the complete destruction of the concept of human reproduction.

(01:53:41):
Because of the Party of Single Women. What does the
Party of single Women want to do? It wants to
maintain itself. It wants to maintain its boundaries. It wants
to make sure that the tar pit stays sticky so
that no woman escapes and potentially reproduces. God forbid. Oh no, sorry,

(01:54:02):
Goddess forbid.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
Hmm But.

Speaker 2 (01:54:07):
Okay, So I just I just found that funny because
it's like she's she's not even saying they're oppressive. They're
just complimentary.

Speaker 1 (01:54:12):
Guys.

Speaker 2 (01:54:13):
That's the big problem now that men and women might
work together, maybe in different spheres, but ultimately for the
same goal. Oh oh, that's the dread patriarchy right there.

Speaker 1 (01:54:27):
Yep, But that's that's just it. Log Like what constitutes
traditionalism starts off sounding reasonable to criticize, and then it
moves into just like normality. Like that's that's what I'm saying. Like,
just there, the complimentary roles are called traditional, and it's
done so intentionally as a pejorative. So like, where do

(01:54:51):
you move from there? I guess we just don't have
kids anymore. No, I guess we don't have families. No,
you just don't do any of it because it's too traditional.

Speaker 2 (01:54:59):
We just expect and the party what we just expand
the party of single women. We just that's how. That's
how the Party of single women reproduces by creating more
single women.

Speaker 1 (01:55:16):
It's going to implode on itself, sure, but yeah, yeah,
well that at least if the only thing you're after
is power, political power, then that's what you do. But
it's limited because you're gonna runt of people because people
aren't having kids. And then so there's not going to
be any single women because there's not gonna be any women.

Speaker 2 (01:55:33):
They have absolutely no sense. The funny thing is they
talk about the future is female, but I don't know
if they have the conception of future and how it works,
because that would require systems thinking to be able to
project into the future. I don't This is this is
honestly why the Bibles like women submit to men, because

(01:55:53):
these categorical intellectual failures of imagination over understanding things about
how consequences flow into the future, how systems work, how
multiple people work in a system, how complementarianism is actually important.
All of these abject failures of intellectual capacity seem to

(01:56:15):
absolutely multiply when women get into this tar pit and
start reinforcing their failures. It just becomes a cascade, a
mental contagion, a gigantic katamari katamari right, katamari ball of
intellectual failure, just like just sticking to everything. And this

(01:56:35):
is probably why women in the Bible, the Bible says
women submit to men to avoid this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:43):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:56:46):
But on the other hand, I mean, it is quite
a privilege to watch how human social systems deteriorate into
feminine led entropy, is it not. I mean, we're at
the front row seat of the the fall of the
Bronze Age, the fall of East, the Western Empire, you know,
the fall of sumer We're at the We're at there.

(01:57:08):
We got a front row seat, and everything's being recorded.
So you know, maybe people will write an AI with
the with the wisdom. Okay, let's let's keep going.

Speaker 5 (01:57:24):
Even when it comes to defining life's goals, the gender
gap persists. In a recent NBC News Decision Desk poll
of twenty nine and seventy Americans aged eighteen to twenty nine,
the respondents were asked to select the top three things
that define success for them from a list of thirteen options,
and while both genders surveyed agreed that a fulfilling job, career,

(01:57:45):
having enough money, and achieving financial independence are all important.
Young women also ranked emotional stability as a top priority,
whereas young men were more concerned with making day.

Speaker 2 (01:57:56):
If they rank emotional stability as a top priority. If
they ranked, then they're they're going about it asked backwards,
because there is nothing in this ideology that encourages emotional stability.
Emotional stability is encouraged by recognizing the consequences of your
actions and having faith that they affect outcomes in your

(01:58:18):
greater world. That that is the exact opposite of what
feminism teaches women. But you know, continue on with your
bad self now. Wonder they start blocking me when I
start pointing this out. Yeah, that's what they want. They're like,
I want emotional stability, and I'm here saying, yeah, you are.
You are completely unstable to an insane degree. They don't

(01:58:41):
want to hear it. They think emotional stability is getting
everyone to agree with their nonsense moment to moment. I guess.

Speaker 1 (01:58:49):
All right, So she started a sentence saying, unsurprisingly, the differences.

Speaker 5 (01:58:54):
The differences become more pronounced when you compare general Z.
Women who voted for Harris with General Z men who
voted for Trump, as you can see in the table below,
For example, Trump voting men consider having children as the
biggest accomplishment. Well, for Harris voting women, it's the second
least important thing.

Speaker 1 (01:59:16):
Wow, yeah, so is that so? Like again you have
to ask yourself, does wine to have children? Like? Why
do men put that as their high as their highest priority?
And is that wrong? And if it is wrong, why
is it wrong? Like that's that's like, well, she won't
ask that question, but that should be what you would ask, right,

(01:59:39):
mm hmmm. I don't know if she's going to land
on even questioning that outcome. You might just be like, well,
women should be able to just tank society.

Speaker 5 (01:59:48):
Press enter or click to view image in full size
NBC News Decision Desk poll. However, while men and women
who voted for Harris are broadly aligned in their vision
of a success full life, differing on just one point
in their top five priorities within the right wing block,
the gender splits widen again. Marriage and parenthood are nowhere
near the top for conservative General Z women, yet for

(02:00:11):
General Z men both are instead. Trump voting women put
more emphasis on independence and spirituality.

Speaker 1 (02:00:22):
Yeah, of course women are cooked guys, and have been
for a while. All right, if we keep going.

Speaker 2 (02:00:35):
Yeah, I also I have the graph here if you
want to take a look at it. I gave you
a link to it.

Speaker 1 (02:00:41):
Yeah. Actually, well it's want me to put it displaying
on the screen.

Speaker 2 (02:00:48):
I'm not sure. Do you think it's worth it? Oh? Yeah,
it's it's basically Yeah, it might not be worth it,
but it does illustrate the gap. And of course men
who are drawn to the party of single women are
going to have more aligned values.

Speaker 1 (02:01:05):
I can I can show, I can get it from
the article. I have the article here.

Speaker 2 (02:01:09):
So okay, all right, I.

Speaker 1 (02:01:12):
Think we looked at this before. So female voted for Harris,
male voted for Harris, female voted for Trump, male voted
for Trump. I think we looked at this before. So
actly even the I think let me see, Yeah, okay,
so males that voted for Harris even have being married

(02:01:34):
and having kids higher than the females. So imagine being
a dude for Harris and wanting to marry a woman
for Harris and hoping to get married and have kids.
But yeah, I mean, only the men who voted for
Trump are the ones that are seeing this, and and again,
some of the other stuff on this list support other things, right, So,

(02:01:56):
like wanting financial independence and having a job or you
find fulfilling both of those things exist to support having
children being married, So they don't. You can't have kids
if you don't have money. At least that's the attitude, right, Like,
we got to be able to make money and have
a so I got to have a job, and I
might as well like the job because I want kids, right,

(02:02:19):
because I want a family.

Speaker 2 (02:02:20):
Yep. Okay, let's go back to the video.

Speaker 1 (02:02:25):
All right.

Speaker 5 (02:02:28):
As writer Jill Philipovic, commenting on this recent poll notes
in Slate, for women regardless of politics and for liberal men,
it seems that children and marriage may be components of
a good life, but they aren't considered some sort of
accomplishment for conservative men. They are perhaps the big divide here.

Speaker 2 (02:02:46):
Okay, So here's the question, what do these people expect
from the future? Are you just going to import your
labor from cultures that call you the great Satan? Like?
Is that what's gonna happen? Okay? All right, so you

(02:03:08):
you have chosen.

Speaker 1 (02:03:09):
That far ahead though, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:03:11):
You're right, You're right.

Speaker 1 (02:03:12):
I just said I think that most like, okay, for
women regardless of politics, and for liberal men, it seems
that children in marriage may be components of a good life,
but they aren't considered some sort of accomplishment. But okay,
so we got to ask ourselves, is family and children

(02:03:37):
should we even view that as an accomplishment because I
think there's an assumption by Jill Philipovic saying that everything
that people do in life is a desire for an accomplishment,
something that you can what like hang on your I
don't know, like hang on your mantle and look at
like I don't know, right, Or is it just a

(02:04:03):
like a normal, like a natural biological desire to like
have children, Like it's like in our it's in our DNA,
like all animals. Like, I don't think that birds are
like talking about accomplishments when they're when they're reproducing, when
they when they lay eggs and then you know, pair
up with another bird. It's just they're just like, this

(02:04:24):
is what we do. So I think first of all,
we're making it into something a little bit grander than
it needs to be in a material sense, like, oh,
I just want to be proud of this. I want
to accomplish this thing, like having babies is not really
an accomplishment. A lot of people have them all the time.
But I do think that it's biological for one. And

(02:04:46):
I think that I guess what they call conservative men
at least admit that, like this is true about ourselves
as men, that we want this, and I think liberal
men pretend like they don't because there it's just a
different strategy to get women. Though they're like, well, I
don't want to make this a big thing, right, or
maybe they genuinely don't think it's worth But I but

(02:05:08):
what I do think is that by not seeing it
having a family as the I guess you could say
the goal of a search for meaning. That's that's what
I think it is. Like seeking meaning is not the
same as seeking accomplishments or praise. And I think that

(02:05:34):
people who start families are or even if they don't, like,
if you go into like you might be looking for
meaning in another way. Let's say you can't have kids,
so you you know, go into like some kind of
like mentorship program or you coach a team, or you
go into education or you know, fostering or whatever. But

(02:05:58):
like I think that but it's having a family is
not the same as getting a job or like saving
money or buying buying something.

Speaker 2 (02:06:07):
Yeah, I know what you mean. It's the focus on
trying to have a legacy, something you live, you leave
behind when you die. And I just realized, what could
actually explain why we have a concept of death because
there's a lot of complication and explaining the psychology of

(02:06:31):
being conscious, Like, there's some serious drawbacks to it. It's
very evolutionary expensive, not just evolutionary expensive in terms of
cognitive problems that it creates, like depression, anxiety, et cetera.
Although I know other animals can have that too. It's
cognitively it is actually physically very expensive, Like twenty percent

(02:06:54):
of our calories go to our brain just to maintain
of cognitive function that we have. So it's an extremely
costly thing. It's extremely costly biological phenomenon. And there is
a question of how it persists in why it persists,
and probably it's because it spurs people to pursue legacy,

(02:07:18):
which in legacy is group fitness, evolutionary fitness of the group.
So you plant a date tree that your grandson will
be able to harvest from, or your community will be
able to harvest from you mentor underprivileged youth, because they
will turn around and reinvest what you've put into them

(02:07:41):
into the community, which will improve everyone's resources collectively. So
I know what you're saying, Brian. It is the concept
of legacy. And I think that remember when we were
reading Okay, of course you remember, because we just did it.
We read that ridiculous article that narcissist she doesn't know

(02:08:03):
she's going to die. She hasn't contended with them, She
hasn't thought about that, she hasn't had that moment where
it's like, oh shit, what happens after? What am I
doing with my life?

Speaker 1 (02:08:15):
Like?

Speaker 2 (02:08:16):
What gives it meaning? You know? And what gives it meaning?
When you have contended with the fact that you're going
to die, and narcissists really really have trouble with that.
I have a personal anecdote about that that will give
you in a moment. But when you die and when
you have struggled with that question of purpose and meaning,

(02:08:36):
the usually the end result of that is I have
to give to someone other than myself. I have to
lift up people other than myself, right, I have to
give to the community. That's going to exist after I
die if I want my actions to have real meaning,
and that spurs that desire for legacy. And I think

(02:08:58):
the big question here this is what you're I think
you're talking about when you talk about well, what they're
actually this is a search for meaning. And meaning doesn't
come from achievements. It doesn't come from having a great job.
It doesn't come from being able to eat fish, pasta
and a seaside resort in Italy. It comes from something more.
It comes from giving to something greater than yourself that

(02:09:21):
you know will last after you die. That's where meaning
comes from. I mean, if you don't need it, then
so be it. If you can contend with your death.
And you're just like, well, I'm fine with all of
the transitor pleasures of life. That's fine. You're probably not
writing stupid articles like this, okay. But these people have

(02:09:41):
not contended with their mortality, and that hasn't spurred them
to try to pursue developing some framework for a legacy.
And they haven't contended with their mortality because they think
they're going to exist forever. Because I don't know if
they understand consequences leading to future They don't can't comprehend

(02:10:03):
a future without them in it. That's why that woman
was like the way she was. She probably can't comprefend
a future without her in it because she's a narcissist.
And my personal anecdote is that we had to deal
with a narcissist last year. I don't know how detailed
I should get to their relationship to us, just just

(02:10:25):
it was. It was it was a family member.

Speaker 1 (02:10:28):
Oh oh yeah, I think I remember that, but go ahead.

Speaker 2 (02:10:31):
Yeah, maybe I should stop being very clear about what
the relationship is. But anyway, that that individual got into
a gigantic fight with my husband, and part of it
revolved around the inheritance that they were both going to receive,
and my husband told that individual, you know, you have

(02:10:54):
serious health issues. You're not going to be here forever.
And that individual went absolutely bonkers or just ape shit
like they took it as a personal offense. And he
wasn't saying it like, oh, I'm going to dance on
your grave. He's saying, you know, you gotta get your

(02:11:15):
docs in order because you're not going to be around
forever and you have health challenges. So this is going
to this is going to be something you need to
deal with in your future, or you are not going
to be in a very good situation. And that individual
just had an utter meltdown because he had done the unthinkable,
which was reference a time when they didn't exist. And

(02:11:36):
that person is a complete narcissist. Narcissists consider death to
be a personal offense. They don't contend with it, and
they certainly don't contend with it to the point where
they understand that they faced the meaninglessness of life without

(02:12:00):
putting yourself to service of something greater than yourself. And
if you, and like I said, if you're the kind
of person that can contend with the meaningless of life
and just be like, ah, I'm fine with that. I'm
just going to enjoy my life. I'm going to enjoy
the things I enjoy and that's fine. Then fine, Again,
you're probably not a narcissist writing nonsense like these two women. Okay,

(02:12:24):
I hope that that was helpful.

Speaker 1 (02:12:27):
No, I mean, yeah, it's just yeah, you you added
on to what I was saying. I think that I
think that we put a little bit. The problem is
is that we're looking at this perspective in too much
of a you know, presentist like like right now, just
me kind of perspective. And I think there's a lot

(02:12:48):
of that and people don't know that they do it right.
But like someone who lives, like when you if a
man wants to start a family, he is saying, I'm
ready to know longer live for myself and live for
some other people who I need to provide for for
basically most of my life. Like basically the you know,

(02:13:08):
it's like the stages of growth. Like there's the boy,
and then he becomes an adolescent, and the adolescent learns
about you know, like what it means to be an adult,
and then he becomes a well he becomes a young man,
and then he becomes a father. And when he becomes
a father, it changes like he's no longer the night

(02:13:29):
that's like trying to get the girl. He is now
the father raising his own nights. Yeah, his own children. Right,
So it's like you enter a different stage, like another life.
It's starting a new life with a new purpose and goal.
But these are all these are not material things. These
are not things that you just say, look what I have,

(02:13:50):
Look what I did, you know, show me with the praise,
Like that's still kind of like in the childlike mentality,
you know, where a boy says, mom, looks what I
can do and he does it. Uh, you do that
because you're like figuring out where your boundaries are at,
like where the limits are that you have and how
you can surpass them. And this is how men develop.
They like they like test their their limits, you know.

(02:14:13):
But once you have that figured out, and then you
start going into the world, you're like looking for someone
that's going to support you and and you know, if
you want to start a family with someone, you want
someone that's going to be supportive and is going to
love you, and they're gonna help They're gonna help you
in the same way that you help them. Because the

(02:14:33):
reason why is that when you have kids, then you
know that she's got your back, right yeah, and the
kids back well by extension that would be. But the
thing is, once you're having kids, your life is about them.
Now you know, it's not. It's not about you anymore,
at least not to the same degree. And that's what
I'm saying, Like this whole thing though, these studies that

(02:14:55):
we're looking at here are just showing how few women
are even perceiving their life path that way. Where they
get to be in their sixties and they're still doing
adolescents like writing things, and they're like, well, why am
I miserable? Yeah, and they have boyfriends exactly.

Speaker 2 (02:15:16):
Yeah. Well, I think you're going to find that this
woman comically misinterprets why men want to have children.

Speaker 1 (02:15:24):
Yeah. Of course.

Speaker 2 (02:15:25):
The thing is that our society shields women from death,
so they never really contend with that. You know, I
wonder them so much. Yeah, yeah, I often wonder if
my entire outlook was permanently changed by you know, being bombed.
I say it, but it's like, uh, it wasn't like

(02:15:47):
a really bad bombing, so it's like we didn't There
wasn't like a loss of infrastructure and gigantic craters everywhere
and hopelessness, but it was. It was definitely scary as hell,
Like it was well, I mean, I don't even remember
feeling fear, but but I'm sure it was scary on

(02:16:09):
some level. But that experience of going through, you know,
waking up to air raid sirens, going down into our
makeshift bunker, which was not anything like a bunker, was
just a table with a mattress over top, just so
that all it would do would would prevent us being
treaded by glass which we had taped up too so

(02:16:31):
that it would shatter, it wouldn't shatter and fling everywhere.
Hopefully that was the that was the logic, And then
having the anti missiles go off and the sound was unbelievable,
and we were like, like, I could, I could take
it at my bike and bike to munitions depot of
the US Army. So we were a strategic target and

(02:16:53):
if we had been hit, we would have been completely
vaporized instantly and that would have been the end of
it period. But the sound of all of that was
just so huge, And I often wonder if that, like
facing that moment where you like, you don't know if
you're going to be alive in the next moment, you

(02:17:13):
don't know if you're gonna be completely erased. I wonder
if that changed my mentality on a fundamental level, that like,
there are certain things that when I hear these women talk,
I'm like, what the hell are you talking about? And
this is one of them, what she's about to talk about.
She doesn't understand the idea of men recognizing that they

(02:17:34):
want to serve something beyond themselves and that that be children.
So she's reinterpreting it through her the lens of the
party of single women. So let's leer what she has
to say. And this is the big thing, This is
the payload, all right.

Speaker 5 (02:17:50):
It's family too, look like, but in how one conceives
a parenthood in the first place. For Trump voting men,
having kids maybe a kind of flex, a status symbol,
a feather in their cap, and conveniently something for which
women actually take on the lion's share of the labor.
It's true that children and marriage often confer personal, social
and economic advantages for men, boosting both their status and

(02:18:13):
perceived authority. Still, presumably those who grow up conservative and
carry those beliefs into early adulthood marinate in the end
same ideological sauce, one that insists women treat these milestones
as their ultimate achievements to Okay.

Speaker 1 (02:18:27):
Did you see that, Yes, of course, yeah, I just
I didn't know she says this, but I just said
that that that's what they're going to look at it,
like we both like it's some kind of like again,
like their children, Like i'd like if you're if you
have kids, you know that they're that you love them,

(02:18:49):
but they're not like a trophy. No, that's like not
a thing. You don't you don't display them like a trophy.

Speaker 2 (02:18:55):
Some parents do, but that's that they end up narcissistic
parents and so but I mean that happens, but that's
probably that's not the majority. That's a specific subset. But
she literally, like you're talking about men wanting to sacrifice
themselves for a legacy, she literally reinterprets that in an

(02:19:18):
egotistical way. Economic gain, which is basically father's knuckling down
to pay for their families, but a freaking loon. Social gain.
What social gain did fathers get I don't know. I
think mothers get far more. But and then also some
kind of achievement. All of these are egotistically based, which

(02:19:41):
basically says that she has not contended with the fact
that she is going to die and once and people
who have contended with that, and they they default onto
this kind of enlightened nihilism, which I'm just going to
enjoy the things that I enjoy, you know, like walk
lightly on this earth and whatever else. They don't write

(02:20:02):
stuff like this because it is also childish to them. Yes,
it is also egotistical to them because they when you
go through that, you have to let go of this
ego centric viewpoint, right, and and they don't write shit

(02:20:23):
like this, like, when you've truly contended with your mortality,
you have let to have to let go of an egocentric,
egocentric viewpoint. And even if you again, even if you
default onto hey, I'm just going to live my life
the best I can, even if it's just for me.
You don't write shit like this because you don't harbor
this level of hatred towards others. There's no point to

(02:20:48):
there's no point to have this level of jealousy and
resentment when you have truly contended with your mortality.

Speaker 5 (02:20:55):
Okay, let's keep going, all right, why don't they? What
else is pulling young women and men apart? A recent
study in the European Sociological Review examined ideological differences between
young men and women across thirty two European countries and
found that these gaps are the most significant in countries
with greater gender equality.

Speaker 1 (02:21:17):
Ha ha, Maybe because it's not working out for men
or women greater gender equality. And then and again, the well,
I think she's gonna mention it, right, The paradox of
like the more equal equal a society is, the more
divergent the people's life's pass men and women's life paths are,

(02:21:41):
or at least where they what they do, and they're
not gonna again no, so so like self consumed, so
like up their own ass. They don't even say to themselves,
why is this happening? Maybe we're wrong, like there's just
no ability to do that. Instead, it's just like this

(02:22:01):
must be men's doing. Men are doing something wrong.

Speaker 5 (02:22:05):
Some of the most egalitarian countries in the world, as
well as the Netherlands and Slovenia. The authors link this
to the so called Tokeville paradox, which suggests that social
progress can paradoxically lead to greater frustration.

Speaker 1 (02:22:19):
Okay, it's a weird way to phrase it. What do
you mean social progress?

Speaker 2 (02:22:23):
Yeah, well, if men have to concede all of this stuff,
plus they have to concede their desirability, I could imagine
why they get frustrated if they have to see all
of the progressive programs elevating women ahead of them. Meanwhile,
women continue to judge them based on their achievements, which
they are artificially handicapped relative to women. I could see

(02:22:45):
where the frustration might come from like this is and
again this woman is seeing achievements as like little bobbles
she wears on her bodice, as opposed to a means
to the end of building a legacy. And building a
legacy isn't egotistical necessity? Well, I mean it maybe a

(02:23:06):
little bit, but it is the idea of your actions
building something for the future, right that gives those actions,
meaning those actions and choices meaning it might be considered egotistical,
but it's egotistical based on a recognition that the ego ends,
which is not narcissistic. I mean, we do need egos,

(02:23:32):
you know, I mean healthy ego, otherwise we just we
wouldn't function, right. So yeah, anyway, but I wanted to
go on the Special Chat Johnny. Nobody knows. It wasn't Gaza. No,
I'm neither Muslim nor Jewish. I'm actually Dutch Catholic, which,

(02:23:57):
if you understand the Dutch, is fairly weird because the
Dutch are mostly Protestant. So I am a religious minority
in the Netherlands, or I've descended from a religious minority
in the Netherlands. But it's the Netherlands, so they probably
didn't care that much, or possibly they did. And my

(02:24:17):
family has experienced persecution way way in the past in
a past time that no longer matters, so I can't
actually sue other Dutch people for like reparations. So anyway,
that's what I am Catholic. I was baptized Catholic. I
don't know if I probably am by the very loose

(02:24:39):
definition of what it is to be Catholic. But you know,
there you go if you needed to know.

Speaker 1 (02:24:48):
All right.

Speaker 5 (02:24:50):
While this paradox doesn't imply that frustration could be limited
to just some groups today, and when it comes to
progress on gender equality, that does seem to be the case.

Speaker 2 (02:25:03):
It is not okay, this is not wars gender equality.
None of this has been progressed towards gender equality because
you haven't challenged the notion that men are still defined
by protecting and providing women. All you've done is pretend
it doesn't exist. None of this is gender equality. That's
the great lie. It's creating frustration because you only measure

(02:25:25):
women's side. You only help women, You only look at
the situation for women. You only care about the harms
done to women. You never measure you just ideologically you say, well,
that doesn't exist in my framework, the harms for men, therefore,
they don't exist. And you wonder why the group of
people that you are marginalizing is getting frustrated. I wonder

(02:25:49):
why men are leaving the left when the left has
declared war. I wonder why? Wonder why men are leaving
the left when the left has declared war on them
is a mystery. I wonder why Trump has been using
the government shutdown as a political weapon towards the people
who have been waging law fair against him for the

(02:26:10):
last what eight years? I wonder why, like consequences to
your actions, just because you think they're illegitimate doesn't mean
they don't exist. Okay, yeah, all right.

Speaker 5 (02:26:25):
In many countries, young women now enjoy the level of freedom, autonomy,
and opportunity unlike any generation before them. We graduate from
university at equal or even higher rates than men. We're
increasingly entering male dominated fields from STEM to skilled trades.

Speaker 2 (02:26:41):
No, you're not, it's on our own men, trans women
are entering STEM. You're not. Okay, Okay, you should read
that Superchow another one came, or hold on or superchat?

Speaker 1 (02:26:54):
Oh the super chat? Yeah, yeah, Albatross gave us five.
I didn't read that one before, Thank you. Albatross has said,
it's funny how some folks women claim to be emotionally
intelligent and yet have zero idea how human beings work.
Go figure, Yeah, no shit, well no, so they can't
see anything outside of what they want in the moment.
That's it just comes back to that, like this is

(02:27:14):
what I want, and and how I see the world
is around what I want in it. So when something
doesn't go along with what I want, I'm I'm baffled,
like I can't possibly because of why why don't you
want what I want? Like why don't you want me
to be comfortable and happy and safe and you know,
like living in abundance and all of that, Like what

(02:27:36):
what do you want? Why do you want to take
that away from me? And so they did. Just this
is how disconnected they are. So we've made them too safe,
is what I'm saying. We've made them way too safe
and way too comfortable. And I think that women just
have a completely warped view of reality because of.

Speaker 5 (02:27:53):
It and own money and make our own choices about
our fertility and reproduction the most.

Speaker 2 (02:27:59):
Literal formula, everybody's choices.

Speaker 5 (02:28:01):
Not coincidentally the most contested today.

Speaker 1 (02:28:04):
So again, this woman just made the case that women
in many countries are about as free as it gets,
as liberated as it gets, and yet she still has
to convince us that they're also still like it's as
bad as ever as well, because it's got to be
both of these things. It's got to be. It can't

(02:28:27):
be free because then they're no longer oppressed. Then we
don't have like that narrative. So they got to be
like either oppressed or on the verge of losing everything
because men have like drawn a line in the sand
and said no, we're not doing any more of this,
which is essentially what the shift is.

Speaker 2 (02:28:46):
Right, it's better than ever, but it's never been so bad.

Speaker 1 (02:28:51):
Yeah, it's better than ever, but it's never been so bad.
Women are somehow doing really well despite men's like being the.

Speaker 5 (02:29:00):
King.

Speaker 2 (02:29:00):
They're waiting, they're plotting, they're like Sauron on this mountain.

Speaker 1 (02:29:06):
Yep, Okay, all right.

Speaker 5 (02:29:10):
I Although there are still caveats and asterisks that accompany
these freedoms, which become particularly salient precisely when we have
children and or enter into relationships with men.

Speaker 2 (02:29:20):
Asterisks when you have these freedoms. You mean you have.

Speaker 1 (02:29:23):
To you have and when you get into relationship with men, you.

Speaker 2 (02:29:27):
Have to accommodate other people. It's like that woman discovering
that there might be another person involved in a relationship
besides herself. Yep, that's the asterisks to women's freedom, Like gosh,
I want to be married, but why do I have
to have a husband?

Speaker 3 (02:29:45):
Why you?

Speaker 2 (02:29:46):
Okay, oh man, this is why, this is why cultures
that function never gave them these rites.

Speaker 5 (02:29:56):
Okay Field arguably more power than even just a few
decades ago, and we embrace and enjoy that power. Yes,
even conservative women, the tradwives and Erica Kirks of this world,
might work overtime selling the fantasy of a traditional lifestyle,
but in reality they don't exactly practice.

Speaker 2 (02:30:15):
Not a traditional style. I mean it is with a
lot of them, because they're home homesteaders, not homemakers. But
it's not like the fifties homemakers. Not a traditional lifestyle.
A traditional lifestyle is both the men and the women
come together and put their labor to the service of
producing a family. I think that that might be the

(02:30:38):
source of the problem here, because we still expect men
to put their labor to the production of a family,
but we don't expect women anymore, Lisa, like Peter, writ's
the issue that we need to or No the individual
from India who talked about the importance of the dowry.

Speaker 1 (02:31:00):
Yeah, this is Shah No. I know. Yeah, well basically
when we but the romantic model is what killed the
what we used to do with marriage. It was like
a bit like a business decision. And you might say
that's a bit cold or whatever, but that's only because
like the romantic model is so appealing, but it's not,
like it's not really people's reality, like you can we

(02:31:24):
I don't think we're gonna go back to that, but
it'd be nice. But I think the dowry model makes
sense because you know, you're you're both You're gonna prepare
people for that, so like you can make sure that
you're not gonna be in debt, you're gonna make sure
you have money saved up, you make sure that you
have some skills, like like skills to build the business
with a partner, and then you probably all know each

(02:31:45):
other anyway, so it's not like God of the Blue.
You don't meet some stranger and you got to marry
that person. It's usually because the family is coming together
and becoming a larger family, so everyone knows each other,
but we but we don't have that. So like the
idea of you know, I guess that kind of arrangement
seems like really strange to people. But we did dating

(02:32:06):
and the romantic model for what like a couple hundred
years maybe, and I maybe if that right, and I
think that that's sort of like we're looking we're reaping
the spoils of that per se.

Speaker 2 (02:32:20):
Yah. Yeah, okay, so let's uh, let's let's finish this off.
Finish is sort of a work, doing a lot of work.

Speaker 5 (02:32:29):
Degrees voice their opinion, and i'd assume have bank accounts
though doing all the things feminism made.

Speaker 2 (02:32:36):
Spoken like someone completely ignorant of the history of finance.
As a Dutch person, I'm deeply offended by her ignorance
as Dutch. As a Dutch Dutch Canadian descended from the Dutch,
her ignorance of modern finance is deeply offensive. Continue.

Speaker 5 (02:32:54):
Yeah, as society's enemy number one, certainly require a level
of cognitive dissonance so high it's almost impressive. Still, political
affiliation and even traditional values clearly don't diminish women's desire
for independent self determination and power over there, which is
also reflected in the surveys above. But women stepping outside

(02:33:15):
of their designated role and enjoying.

Speaker 2 (02:33:18):
Okay, all right, all right, stop, So women actually dedicating
themselves to the legacy of preserving the society that gave
them all these fucking rights in the first place is
too much to ask. They're just gonna grab the bag,
and they're gonna grab the bag from their future daughters
that won't be born and the future women that could
have benefited from this society, you know. Man managing to

(02:33:43):
scale it up and actually bring it to Afghanistan in
a way that doesn't doesn't cause the Afghanis to just
you know, bunker down and insist one even further on
themselves on that particular you know, No, these women are
arguing to grab the bag and enjoy the spoils with

(02:34:08):
no sense of investment in the society that gave them
the bag in the first place. This is like what
she's doing here, and her argument she's making here is
such an incredibly like she is displaying such a level

(02:34:32):
I don't even know how I'm trying. I'm trying to
find the right words, such a level of entitlement, selfishness, narcissism,
Like she is demonstrated, like I said it sort of
tongue in cheek that this this woman demonstrates why women
didn't have rights in the past, which they did by
the way, guys, I'm just being facetious, But she demonstrates

(02:34:58):
why women should not have no sense of responsibility to
the system that gave her all of this, no sense
of believing, Like she just doesn't even have an instinct
to to give back to the system that gave her
all of this. It's like, this is this is the

(02:35:20):
this is the absolute void at the heart of femininity. Yeah,
like that, we're staring at it right now, you know,
and honestly, like I'm going to say this and then
I'm going to give some more historical context, but this
is this is a woman who has no investment in

(02:35:43):
her society, right Like look at Okay, let's use their
example of Afghanistan. Okay, we send young men into Afghanistan
to go and die in the service of bringing their
women rights. Do they women? Are they willing to die
for those rights? No? Nope, no, at least not in

(02:36:04):
large enough numbers. That it matters, right, so they don't
get them. They're willing to take the Taliban's deal. They're
fine with it. In fact, many of them probably think
it's a better deal than having to look at modern
art in the shape of Foucult's Frickin' toilet, the degeneracy

(02:36:26):
of our society. They probably prefer their morality and their
moral schema. These women probably prefer it right, so they
don't fight for it. And women don't fight for their societies,
at least this woman doesn't. Okay, this is the void
at the heart of femininity. The void that and I'll

(02:36:49):
do another illustration of the void. French woman after the
occupation of France by the Nazis, describing how so deliciously
be steel and proud the Nazis were as they marched
into town, right their heads held high. This tall, handsome,

(02:37:13):
aggressive athletic men just ugh oh, drooling This French woman
drooling over them, and then describing frenchmen as being these beaten,
slovenly furtive creatures just scuttling around. Yeah, that is the
void at the heart of femininity. No investment in their societies.

(02:37:35):
Their societies bend over backwards to give this woman everything
to powder her ass from crib to grave. And she
has absolutely no sense of loyalty or expectation of investment
in that society none whatsoever. She is literally saying eyes

(02:37:55):
a woman, as a muted, empowered woman, I'm going to
use my empowered not even in the service of future
women who might benefit from it. Oh no, it's only
in the service of myself. And I shall take this
society with me because I will not have children, I
have no interest in investing in it. I'm just going
to take that bag, and I'm going to enjoy that bag,

(02:38:16):
and I'm gonna leave a smoking crater for everyone else.
This is the void at the heart of femininity. Mm
hmm unbelievable. And yeah, this woman, if this society gets conquered,
guess where her ass is gonna be, Right up in
the conqueror's face. Would you like a little Kuchi kill? Oh?

(02:38:37):
Thank you master. She has no sense of investment in
this culture none none, and it is And honestly, I
find this utterly despicable. I know that maybe somebody like
Karen might have softer words than I would for this,
because you know, women have to deal with the fact

(02:38:59):
that they get conquered and all that shit bullshit, all right, yeah, yes,
women have had to deal with that. Do you know
how Northern German like Germanic women dealt with it? Well,
I'll tell you how. Okay, when they were conquered, the
Teutons were conquered, I think the Battle of Cambri by

(02:39:20):
the Romans, and the line broke of their men. Okay,
the men fled. The ones that didn't die fled. Their
women cut their throats of the fleeing men. Then they
cut the throats of their children. Then they cut their
own throats because when their society died, those women died

(02:39:45):
with it, and that was their pledge, and that was
their honor, and that was their loyalty to their society.
And guess which culture which okay, actually, let me just
go south. The Savine women they waded into like it's
a little bit more of a domestic story. It's not
quite as flip and metal as the Northern Europeans. But

(02:40:08):
the Sabine. When the Sabine men were going to be
slaughtered by the Roman men or the fight was between
their fathers, the Sabine men were the Sabine women's fathers,
and they'd come to rescue them. Their brothers and fathers
and their husbands. They waded into battle to stop it
because they were invested in their men to the point

(02:40:33):
of risking their lives. Okay, And then you have the
combination of the Northern Teuton women's attitude of a complete
loyalty to their social system and the Sabine women's attitude
of loyalty to their men folk. And then what comes
from that a fricking world spanning civilization. Why because their

(02:40:58):
women invested in it to the point of death. This
woman is not just spitting on the sacrifices of men.
She's spitting on the sacrifices of every woman that she
stands on, who invested in this society up to their death.

Speaker 3 (02:41:21):
She is a piece of loathsome human trash.

Speaker 2 (02:41:34):
And now I'll tell you what I feel. Would you
really think, Okay, I just just I'm just glad I
didn't wake. I think the cat's okay, she's not upset.
I think she's outside, so she's she's okay. I didn't
upset the cat. That's what I'm concerned about. But I
just like this, this, this, this, this, this.

Speaker 1 (02:41:59):
H Okay, right, yeah, there's a little.

Speaker 5 (02:42:05):
Bit left, so the privilege and power for men. Historically,
men established dominance within patriarchal through wealth, political connection, military strength,
as well as through marriage and children. As historian Stephanie
Koons points out, for thousands of years, marriage was itself
a way of whether by expanding the family labor, for
as in some ranked horticultural society.

Speaker 2 (02:42:26):
It seems like this is skipping.

Speaker 1 (02:42:28):
Yeah, I know, I'm trying to find where I'm trying
to look at the I'm trying to look at well, okay,
do you want me to like, yeah, I'll play the
last minute.

Speaker 5 (02:42:41):
Collected why and use their labor and their children's labor
to establish networks of dependent or in class societies where
marriage was away.

Speaker 2 (02:42:49):
Yeah, she's just basically doing the communist gobbledy gup. I
don't know if we even need to go any further
with this.

Speaker 1 (02:42:55):
All right, yeah, okay, here, here.

Speaker 2 (02:42:57):
Here we have the commist communist gobbledygook. Everyone. Yeah, patriarchy
is capitalism. I don't know if you guys noticed that.
Everybody is a.

Speaker 1 (02:43:09):
Form of capital that needs to be disrupted. That's why
they're that's why feminists are against fathers in the home,
because it's hierarchical. But they are for at least their
claim is they are for what do they call it,
villages and mothers and grandmothers and aunts and relatives and
beings of the not male persuasion, raising children, which I

(02:43:33):
assume will also be women, because you can't have boys,
I mean, unless you can like mutilate their generals in
term them into eunuchs and then you know, raise those.

Speaker 2 (02:43:44):
So yeah, I just, I just I'm saying this for
the people who constantly say that feminism is a subset
of Marxism.

Speaker 1 (02:43:50):
No, yeah, this is just.

Speaker 2 (02:43:53):
Capitalism is patriarchy. Property rights is pat patriarchy, which is men. Okay,
this is all just anti men. And meritocracy is most
definitely patriarchy. So you know, going out and building a business,
that's patriot that's a patriarchy, even though women have done
it throughout all of human history, that's the patriarchy. Like

(02:44:15):
everything like it's even if it is a even if
it has some relation to Marxism. The power comes from
condemning men, and that's where it all starts. Okay, I
I like, I guess we could could do like the
full breadth of comedy comedy gobbledly gig. But I don't

(02:44:37):
know if.

Speaker 1 (02:44:38):
I'm feeling Oh no, I'm done. This has been two
and a half hours, almost three hours.

Speaker 2 (02:44:42):
So yeah, I don't. I don't, I don't need I
don't feel the need to to go through the nonsense.
She's this person who has an inability to understand the future,
understand investment, and see anything outside of ego centric belief systems.
Is I want to lecture us on how economies work.
It doesn't even understand the how where the modern finance

(02:45:05):
system came from, because she doesn't understand the ridiculousness of saying, well,
women didn't women didn't have bank Okay, guys, women didn't
have a bank accounts like two centuries ago, Yes, because
there weren't banks that the average one person could access. Okay, yeah,

(02:45:25):
all right, let's uh, let's I think well maybe two
centuries ago there might have been only if you were rich, though, Okay,
let us uh okay, then all right, so if you should,
I just just go into it.

Speaker 3 (02:45:43):
Yeah all right.

Speaker 1 (02:45:45):
I don't see any more super chats or anything like that.

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