I wanna be a MACHA man | Maintaining Frame 186

Performative masculinity refers to a man who adopts traits associated with feminism and emotional sensitivity—such as drinking matcha lattes, carrying tote bags with feminist slogans, wearing wired headphones, listening to indie female artists like Clairo or Lana Del Rey, and reading feminist literature—to appear more appealing to progressive women. So how does this harm women? FunkyFrogBait has the answer!

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
All right, hello everybody, and welcome to Honey Badger Radio.
My name is Brian. I'm here with Alison, even though
it doesn't like she's here because she stepped out briefly
and this is maintaining frame number one eighty six. I
want to be a Macha man. Allison is having issues
with her camera, but I had to start the show,

(00:21):
so here we are. But she'll be back in just
a second, I'm sure. So let me just give you
guys a quick breakdown on what we're doing. We're gonna
be responding to a video by uh, I'm a freaky
frog bait or something like that. We've had we've done
response videos to this person before. So the video is

(00:44):
called the Performative Male Problem by Funky frog Bait, and
Funky frog Bait is well, I mean, she's a progressive,
you know, intersectional queer feminist, the usual thing that hold
that old chestnut, and she is making a video about

(01:06):
this concept of men who perform progressive, feminine feminist of values.
Actually she calls them feminine, but I think that they're
really just feminists, not that because like, well we'll get
into it. But well, so there's a problem with this

(01:27):
and she's going to talk about it. She has a
pebble in her shoe about this because essentially men are
performing feminism and it and it looks like it's not real.
And so she's trying to like essentially make two things
work at the same time. One that this is performative,

(01:50):
but also sometimes it's not. Sometimes there are men who
are genuinely interested in these things, and then and they
just go into women's spaces and it's a problem for
that reason. So how is she going to square that circle?
Should men get in touch with their feminine side and
enjoy feminine things and be an ally to women or

(02:11):
are they all predatory? Is it all fake all the time?
And this is interesting actually because it is related to
something that I've talked about ever since the whole gamer
Gate and me Too thing happened. So we're gonna be
talking about that today and Alison is not here. She's

(02:32):
saying that she's got lag problems. I'm just gonna tell
her I've already started because I don't want to be
you know, like it's eight minutes after the hour. I
want to eat dinner at some point while the sun
is up, and you know that's I just anyway, we

(02:56):
should We should get into this in a moment. But
in the meantime, before we get started on the video,
let me say hello to the people in the chat
while waiting for Alison to get back online. So shout
out to Richard Bierre, who's first, Gabriel Phelan Lucas, I
just woke up, mister Opio three in Rumble, General potato salad. Hello, Hello,

(03:19):
Hello to all of you all find people. Thank you
for joining us on the show. So we'll see if
Allison gets this fixed. But isn't this the same thing
as the demure mindful men? You know that that's a
good point, but I art force what's up? But I

(03:39):
do think that there is Well, let's not try to
put the frog lady in a box, okay, because she
might have a point, and what might be best a
funky frog bait. What might be best is if we
we hear her arguments and then move forward amicably from there.

(04:01):
So there, Allison's coming back. She's she's about to join.

Speaker 2 (04:07):
Is Oh goodness, I am really sorry, So we're already started.

Speaker 1 (04:13):
Yeah, I was going live when you dropped out.

Speaker 2 (04:16):
Oh okay, I apologize for that.

Speaker 1 (04:17):
That was all right, set people up. I told them
what we're doing.

Speaker 2 (04:22):
All right, Okay, well, I mean all you got to.

Speaker 1 (04:24):
Do is tell them about the fundraiser and stuff, so.

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(06:40):
content for a response, So, thank you, Richard. I think
I think it deserves a response like if, if I
could be so bold, I give my initial impressions if
it if that seems like an appropriate thing to do.
At this time, it feels like men are in the
wrong no matter or what they do. No matter what

(07:03):
they do, they're going to be framed as somehow doing
it to women in the very in a very negative
and prerogative sense. Prerogative, perjorative, perjorative. Hey, I got one right, Pert, Yeah,
by the way, slopsism. You see how I think I'm

(07:25):
mixing up the O in the eye. So I believe
it spism. It's very unlikely.

Speaker 1 (07:33):
I just let you say it. I think people know
what you mean. It's okay. Jim used to say hyper bowl,
So it's okay instead of hyperbole.

Speaker 2 (07:45):
Huh, Which Jim used to say that, Jim.

Speaker 1 (07:48):
Mister Medica Internet at Jim hyper Bowl. He used to
say hyper bowl instead of hyperbole. Yeah. So we all
have our we all have our words that we always mispronounced.

Speaker 2 (07:59):
I just I just have a great number.

Speaker 1 (08:01):
Of you have a Yeah, it's like a little book.
You could probably make a book called words. I don't
ever get right. And make a great coffee table book.
I think.

Speaker 2 (08:12):
All right, So yeah, well my my main thrust is like, yeah,
men can never men can in this framework, men can
never get it right, and also they can't be credited
with trying to get it right. So the maca man
phenomenon is apparently machia. I guess Maca is the next.

Speaker 1 (08:34):
One, or I don't know what maca is.

Speaker 2 (08:37):
I don't know macha.

Speaker 1 (08:39):
Okay, so the machia jet, I suppose with maca maca five,
maka three.

Speaker 2 (08:46):
Yeah. So if men like this drink, it's performative masculinity,
and it's like secret courtship traps being laid for women
because God forbid the human race form pairs and reproduce.
When did it become like this horrible thing that men
want to attract women, Because that's what this is. This
is men trying to attract women. If well, in the

(09:08):
most negative sense, like, well.

Speaker 1 (09:11):
She probably wouldn't disagree with you. So I mean, I
don't know if you watched the video, but we should
get into well, I'll put it this way. Let's let
her set it up. You're gonna be talking about a
phenomenon called performative masculinity or the performative male, which is
and I'll just read a bit from the Wikipedia page,

(09:33):
because yes, this got a Wikipedia page. It's an Internet
meme and term referring to an archetype of man, which
was popularized in social media in twenty twenty five. So
like a new thing that just started happening, generally involved
displays of progressivism or otherwise performative feminism, as well as
emotional sensitivity. What's interesting too is that when I was doing,

(09:54):
like I was like looking into this stuff before we started,
I knew that's what it was. Essentially, a performative male
or performative masculinity is men pretending to be feminist men
or progressive men or liberal men or whatever so they
can like get closer to women. Like essentially, like it's
it's it's a it's an inauthentic expression of the self

(10:15):
right to get closer to women to and and you know,
like to be honest, to be fair. Okay, there is
a trend of male feminists that do exactly that, right
they they but this doesn't mean they don't believe it.
So like the main I think trait of performative masculinity
is that it is performative, which means it's not real.

(10:35):
They don't really believe it, and I think that there
are a number of male feminists that do believe it.
In fact, I think that the default setting for the
average man is to be more or less sympathetic to
the position of male or of feminism to protect women,
you know, from the bad men, which are the other men.
So the one good man is an example of that.

(10:57):
But I but I think the difference is that the
performative male is not real. It's a it's a false face, right.
So anyway, one thing I did find when I was
looking into this is that another version of performative masculinity
was like literally the opposite. It was a guy pretending
to be hyper masculine and like doing man things like

(11:18):
you know, well whatever they consider man things, weight, we're
lifting weights, watching sports whatever, right, which is weird because
it means that, like, you know, no matter what a
man does, there's gonna be some judgment about it, you know,
because it's like he's not doing whatever he should be doing,
which is generally serving women. So yeah, it's just it's

(11:40):
just interesting. But this woman freaky frog bait or funky
frog bait sorry, he's gonna call her frog bait. She
is not talking about the ladder, which I just She's
talking about the one where the guys pretend to be feminists. Okay,
so let's let her set up the scenario.

Speaker 3 (12:02):
Well, videos about the performative mail have been circulating since
twenty twenty four. The label really started to trend this
past summer. Comedy skits have been rolling in Get Ready
with Me is recorded safely behind several layers of self awareness.
Crowds gather together for performative male contests and cities across
the world Houston, New York City, Chicago, Seattle, Toronto, Ottawa, Sydney, Jakarta.

(12:25):
This trend has transcended borders and language barriers, uniting communities
in ways we haven't seen since Kendall Jenner handed that
cop in ice cold PEPSI. How to become a performative male?
No one knows the last one. Okay, let's see much.

Speaker 1 (12:41):
I'm want to pause it. Here. She goes through the
list of what Yeah, well, performative mail is yeah, and
again these are I mean, this is social media stuff.
It's designed. People who are good at it are using
it to get you to click. So it means that

(13:02):
there's a pretty decent chance they're not really gonna have
a lot of substance to them, you know, because they're
gonna be there have to be short videos that are
kind of punchy and maybe even like, I don't know,
done in jest. So but let's let's listen to the list. Okay,
Number one drink Macha ceremonial grade oat milk. So you
can already tell by the description this is like super

(13:23):
hipster stuff, right, Like I think, actually, Lindsay drinks macha sometimes.
I think, yeah, we go out in the summer and
she wants like a drink from Starbucks, She'll get a Macha.
So it's like it's sort of coded feminine. I guess
you could say, so yeah, when men do feminine things. Also,
notice the loafers and the ankle socks and the ankle bracelets.

(13:47):
That's like driving at home. You see what I mean?
The random this is this is obviously.

Speaker 2 (13:51):
An is this is this intended to be satirical like
these perform it is?

Speaker 1 (14:01):
I think, yeah, I think so.

Speaker 2 (14:02):
Yes, Well, okay, all right, I guess we're about to
enter the twilight zone, where something satirical is read completely
literally and.

Speaker 1 (14:13):
Well, yeah, I think she knows that it's satirical. But
let's let's keep going claaro, I haven't.

Speaker 2 (14:21):
Can I just get in here for a second. I
read or I looked at the actual articles. So while
I didn't focus on her video, some of the surrounding
commentary is very not charitable. So I looked at the

(14:42):
New York Times article, and I'm blanking on.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
The name one. Ladies. If you see a man with
a latte.

Speaker 2 (14:50):
Run, Yes, that's the that's a different, that's a.

Speaker 1 (14:54):
Yeah, male, are have abandoned macho and embraced macha. Is
it just the other ploy to seduce women?

Speaker 2 (15:02):
Yeah? But what the okay are we against human reproduction now?
Like just another ploy to seduce women? Like, yes, that's
sort of why.

Speaker 1 (15:12):
The idea is that like the man will reveal himself
not to be anything like the man she met, and
that you know that she's gonna feel like, I don't know,
betrayed or manipulated. But I think that I just I
don't know.

Speaker 2 (15:27):
Go ahead, Okay, I think she's She's done a really
good job of setting it up satirical. It's sort of
a tongue in cheek. It's not intended to be taken literally.
All of these performative men contests, and then we have
these individuals in these these articles taking it dead serious,
right and then saying, oh my god, they're going to
seduce the women.

Speaker 1 (15:49):
Right, they might have children. He responds to that, though,
so she knows that they're taking it serious. That's what
I'm saying. He responds, I'm.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
Not saying that she isn't responding to that. I'm saying
I'm also responding to those articles because they were ridiculous.
Maybe we should go through them first and then go
into her response.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
Okay, do you think we read these articles or just
getting They're all.

Speaker 2 (16:10):
Very short, They're all like one page, all right, all right,
so this is ladies. If you see what I did
send you, like some documents that just pick out the
most ridiculous.

Speaker 1 (16:19):
Guy have it? Do you want me to just go
to that or they're.

Speaker 2 (16:23):
Only a page long? I think you get through them
really quick.

Speaker 1 (16:27):
Okay, I beseech you. This is what do you want
me to do?

Speaker 2 (16:33):
Like?

Speaker 1 (16:33):
You gave me a lot of links and documents. I
just wonder what I'm doing. Am I just reading the
article or am I going through the AI thing? To find,
like some other I did.

Speaker 2 (16:44):
I put it through the A I think, just to
figure out some of the stuff to focus on. But
these articles are so short. They're so short, all right,
and they're so saturated with condemnation and contempt. Many The
GQ one, I think is might be the worst. The
New York Times one is probably the most reasonable palatable.

(17:05):
I would actually start with the one that isn't the
g Q one or the New York Times one.

Speaker 1 (17:11):
That's this one?

Speaker 2 (17:12):
Is it?

Speaker 1 (17:13):
The New York Post one, the New York Post post?

Speaker 2 (17:16):
Yes, this one, yes.

Speaker 1 (17:19):
All right?

Speaker 2 (17:19):
New York Warts usually isn't isn't?

Speaker 1 (17:22):
Oh no?

Speaker 2 (17:22):
This is this is.

Speaker 1 (17:24):
That is like the typical ones.

Speaker 2 (17:26):
Yeah, yeah, I'm sorry, guys, I mixed up the New
York Times of the New York Post. The New York
Post one is the probably the least cringe worthy. Let's
start with the New York Times one, because that's the worst.

Speaker 1 (17:36):
So you want to you want to start with New
York Times.

Speaker 2 (17:40):
Yeah, let's start with New York Times.

Speaker 1 (17:43):
So this is this one?

Speaker 2 (17:44):
Yeah, that's good, all right.

Speaker 1 (17:47):
Late male posers have abandoned macho and embraced macha. Is
it just another ploy to seduce women by poppy sourbye.
Every Saturday morning in New York, a sacred mating ritual
takes place. Like mayfly soft boys, The sensitive young men
of gen Z swarm coffee shops with soy, with Sally
Rooney paperbacks tucked under tattooed arms. Here they queue up

(18:09):
with rival males vying for the title of whitest legged
jorts and tightest wife beater. Vest tope bags ripple in
the breeze, mustaches bristle at one another in greeting battles.

Speaker 2 (18:21):
All right, so we have to we have to sort
of stop, not read too much at a time. But
you notice that now the narrative is the soy boys
are after the women. And yet gen Z was notorious
for having more conservative, more of a conservative leaning, which
really didn't it just stayed more centrist while gen Z

(18:44):
women went off the cliff in terms of being liberal.
But now the problem is these dudes who are liberals
and expressed their their they they have embraced their soft side,
their feminine side. Incidentally, this kind of yes, very demure,

(19:05):
this kind of scare mongering is not that like, it's
not that unheard of like it it's this has been
happening since like the seventies or probably even before, probably
have beatenis got it before? Then Okay, let's let's continue
to the next paragraph.

Speaker 1 (19:19):
Yeah uh yeah, I would. I would just add to that, so, like,
if women have gone like super far left and men
have like drifted slightly right, then I could see why
these women would be very suspicious of all men because
they're gonna see them as part of that saying collective like,
are you sure you're not you're one of us? Because

(19:42):
based on the data, I don't think you're one of us? Right,
So I think that women are generally way more especially
of the men who look like they're their allies, than
the ones that are clearly not right, that are just
doing their things.

Speaker 2 (19:56):
So but anyway, yeah, let's do the next paragraph.

Speaker 1 (19:59):
All right. Then battle commences. Reaching the front of the line,
they lay down the gauntlet loudly but casually. They give
their order. One oat, milk, iced, macha latte, please, any
damsel in the immediate vicinity is theirs. That's sad, like,
if that's if that's all it takes. These strong, independent

(20:21):
girl boss feminist women are weak.

Speaker 2 (20:23):
But okay, all all a man has to do is
order a iced milk, one oat milk, iced maca late? Please?
What if what if they order a almond.

Speaker 1 (20:34):
Milk, they'd still they'd still be okay?

Speaker 2 (20:39):
But is there like a is there a progressive stack
of milks or milk substitute?

Speaker 1 (20:46):
I think the oat milk is probably at the top
right now. Oh okay, maybe maybe if the guy's willing
to throw himself on a grenade, he can get soy milk.
Oh my god, that might be more heroic, but it's
also more dangerous.

Speaker 2 (20:59):
Or he might just asked every single boss babe in
the vicinity into her constituent atoms with his sheer seductive
drink buying. Okay, let's go.

Speaker 1 (21:16):
The grassy tasting Japanese green tea has exploded in popularity.
Black Sheep Coffee a Busy or Buzzy, A buzzy British
chain without posts in the US attributed to a two
hundred and twenty five percent year on year search in
ice drink sales to the boom and Macha one scene.
As a novelty flavoring in Asian bakeries, the green gold

(21:39):
is now rivaling coffee in the caffeinated drinks game driven
by help conscious young consumers who appreciate the antioxidant pack
drinks verdant ascetic and instagrammable cachet really.

Speaker 2 (21:51):
Just apropos of nothing. My husband does not like maca
or macha.

Speaker 1 (21:58):
No, I don't like macha either.

Speaker 2 (22:00):
Yeah, it's well I like it, and obviously Lindsay likes it.

Speaker 1 (22:04):
It's just something pronounce it. Yeah, like Lindsay likes it.
Sometimes not. It's like it's she's got to be in
a certain mood.

Speaker 2 (22:15):
So yeah, yeah, well, I mean it's like I got
a bitter, bitter, kind of smooth taste. It's hard to describe.
I think it's like, like I noticed another k this
is another thing that women like and men don't. Lindsay like, yeah,
I guess was there.

Speaker 1 (22:35):
She likes the fermented stuff.

Speaker 2 (22:37):
Yeah, it's all sweet. It's sort of sour and bitter.
But I wonder if there was a like, was there
a kombucha a performative kombucha stage? Do we do we
do we from one point go through that? Or is it.

Speaker 1 (22:54):
Is not popular right now? So this, like this article
is basically claiming that macha has become like a thing
and in the in particular in the West, I guess.
And because of that, women jumped on it because they're
always following trends, and so they said they have declared
this cool. And now men or some men are also

(23:14):
doing it. Maybe they like it. Maybe a woman got
them to try it once and they were like, actually
like this, I think I'm gonna get this more often.
But it's yeah, it's there's no Kombucha is not a
thing right now, but when women say it is, it'll
be a thing.

Speaker 2 (23:29):
So yeah, and then men might do performative kobucha drinking.

Speaker 1 (23:36):
Yeah, and they'll get in trouble for that.

Speaker 2 (23:38):
Yeah, yeah, because it's inauthentic. Also, there was one other
thing I wanted to mention. You were talking about how
women will realize that this this dude isn't real or
like he's not he's not presenting his true face. This
is a drink, and this isn't a common activity called reading.

(23:59):
This really shallow, Like if you think that's a personality,
is what I'm getting at. My personality is writing maca
moca or mecca and reading popular matcha and reading popular
how many different ways can I pronounce it that are wrong?
And reading popular authors.

Speaker 1 (24:18):
Of the day come up with a few more before
this is over.

Speaker 4 (24:20):
I'm sure mott sha machatcha, not maka, not mata, not
mocha mottsha.

Speaker 2 (24:32):
That's it.

Speaker 1 (24:33):
It's very simple, two syllables, all right, anyway, But this
is yeah, this is obviously extremely shallow, very surface level,
and yet these women who write these articles are taking
a tremendous amount of pleasure in using it to attack men. Anyway,
So all big cafe chains, from the posh Blank Street

(24:56):
to the middling prep to the bargain dunkin Donuts, have
introduced drinks to cash in. All of this is ushered
in a new breed of snob. My powder is strictly
ceremonial grade, rivaling even the coffee officionado who partakes only
from a clanking, great machine that hogs up his kitchen counterspace.
This just sounds like hipster ship only people. This is

(25:18):
not even first world problems. This is first world annoyances.
Not even that. I I don't even like, yeah, dunkin
Donuts does it now? So so what like they're just following,
they're just going where the money is, lady, But.

Speaker 2 (25:33):
Brian, these men they're drinking, they're they're sipping their their
green drinks, stucktfly. You know, they could they could possibly
be increasing their their attractiveness to women. Isn't that Isn't
that horrible? That's that's that's the worst thing. It's the

(25:53):
worst thing. Yet, it's the worst thing since last worst thing, Brian,
aren't you getting ancised? These men might be making themselves
more attractive to women?

Speaker 1 (26:05):
God? I just okay, look this this is going on
and on, so buying it, brewing it, bragging about it.
The drink has become the ultimate satus symbol for the
modern metrosexual, to the point that this summer of GQ
hailed the Macha man as a new soy boy? Is
that a compliment? I don't think that's whatever? What birth

(26:26):
the macha man? Coffee shop culture has, after all, traditionally
been viewed as being for women, a place to yack
with glamorous friends, pretend to type on a laptop, or
film tiktoks that show off a gem and crust's Starbucks cup.
Yeah no, I don't think so. So like you guys,
You guys have decided that coffee shops are for women,
and then when men enter them, like this is the

(26:48):
funny thing, Like when men take on an interest. Right,
so they like, you know, comic books, they go to
comic book stores and they buy them. They never said
this is men domain. They just went there. They get
into miniature, you know, wargaming like Warhammer forty thousand or
video games or whatever. And there's a place they go.

(27:09):
They go to the arcade, they go to the pool hall,
they go to the bowling alley, they go to the
hobby shop to get their miniatures. And nowhere do you
see articles saying this has always traditionally been viewed as
being for men. And then women show up and if
they're interested, they're obviously not genuine, like they're fake, they're
fake fans. They want to gate keep Starbucks from men.

(27:32):
Is that what this is? Like, it's ridiculous. Starbucks wants
to make money, they don't care who buys it. You know,
probably started by a man. Jesus.

Speaker 2 (27:43):
Yeah, well it's but they're saying, so going to Starbucks
and being performative is women's work. I suppose I know,
is this like an ad by the advertisers, like the.

Speaker 1 (27:58):
Macha I know you're doing it on purpose? Now so anyway, yeah,
so okay, here's her lament here. Now this oasis is gone,
and horror upon horror, male posers have abandoned macho and
embraced macha instead. Why Because mimicking the lifestyle of Instagram
girlies turns out to be a great way to pick

(28:19):
up women.

Speaker 2 (28:20):
M I press sex a doubt. That's why I think
this is a This is a macha, This is a
macha ad. This is an ad for macha. I sense
the presence discouraging.

Speaker 1 (28:36):
Men from buying it. Why would you do that?

Speaker 2 (28:39):
No, but it's but it's it's sort of like a
reverse psychology. They're saying, hey, guys, if you buy macha,
it's gonna make you hatcha mm hmm. Anyway, yeah, okay.

Speaker 1 (28:54):
How about this one? Men used to go to war.
Now we drink macha with oat milk jokes one what good?

Speaker 2 (29:04):
Yes, Okay, here's the here's the thing, here's the thing.
All right, here's the thing with the war thing. Okay,
the the trick is not sending men to war. The
trick is not not is not sending them to war. Okay, wait, wait,
let me rephrase that. The trick is not the trick.

(29:25):
I'm using too many knots. I'm trying to produce the
knots here, so it's less convoluted. I'm trying to figure
out a way to express this with fewer notts. The
trick isn't men going to war, okay, because that you
men will do that, right. It's like you have a
German shepherd, I have a German shepherd. German shepherd will

(29:45):
protect you if if that, if, if you get into
that situation, that that is its inherent nature. The men
will go to war and they will engage every every
single person, every single man that these these individuals are
sneering about, in the right circumstance, would could be a
soldier in a war. Right that That is not the trick.

(30:09):
The trick is not to get into that circumstance where
that is necessary. So the trick in you know, my
German shepherd will protect me should it be necessary. The
trick is not to make it necessary. Right, There's nothing
men need to prove. You think that. And here's the
funny thing. They were talking about how other generations they
they prepared their sons for war. Are you flip and

(30:31):
kidding me? There's no preparing men for woolhort. You think that,
you know, the farm boys and all of the the
the public school that's like the upper class schools in
like Britain. Do you think those boys were prepared for
the song? No, there's no preparing nobody's noose. Society prepares

(30:54):
like maybe it trains, but they don't prepare, right, They
just they just go and they live or they die.
That's that's it, right. And then and then most of
them do the work that's required of them in the
context of utter hell, because they're men, and that is

(31:15):
in men's nature, just like it's in a German shepherd's
nature to protect the what it has, what it considers
to be its family or its flock. It's just in
their nature.

Speaker 1 (31:26):
Right.

Speaker 2 (31:26):
No, there's no society prepares its young bullshit. That's there's
no hard times. No, all of the young men in
our society are perfectly capable of going to war and
being soldiers. The trick is not to ask it of them. Okay,
I'm just and and if this is not big Maca,
this might be starting the process of you know, priming

(31:49):
the pump to getting boys young men to be our
society failing, failing, and forcing young men to give up
their lives to all of our failures. So I mean,
what I'm calling out is this judgmental attitude like in
previous generations werepared young prepared young men for were bullshit

(32:12):
that never happened. There's nothing as society can do, kad,
they can really do that, maybe train, but not prepare.
What prepares what men for war is their inherent nature,
which we don't give them. They have by virtue of existing.
And the trick here is not to ask anything of it,

(32:34):
not not to have to go there. Okay, I just
I just find that it really obnoxious. Anyway, let's carry it.

Speaker 1 (32:42):
That's fine. I got a super chow and a rumble rant.
So I got a super chow from Tongue Twister for
Alison for twenty dollars. Thank you, Tongue Twister. I think
he wants you to read it. Oh so you should
like go look at it.

Speaker 2 (32:56):
Okay, I'm going there now, all right, Tongue Twister for
Allison for twenty healthworkers. People. You guys really like to
pay to torture me? Macha sipping soy boys? Oh pick

(33:24):
o pick is that the right pake? Okay?

Speaker 1 (33:28):
Noake, not o pay it o pay. You're adding a syllable.
It's just opaque.

Speaker 2 (33:39):
Bloviating, Yeah, bloviating, that's right. Bloviating, Oh goodating bloviating okay.
On existential mm hmm, existential existential m slop it's not salop.

(34:00):
That's that's me and my dyslexia.

Speaker 1 (34:04):
Slop slopism, solism, solid sol lip.

Speaker 2 (34:16):
So okay, Yeah, I think that we're we're playing to
somebody's fetish here.

Speaker 1 (34:23):
Yeah, let's keep okay. So then I got a rumble
ran from Nova fan for a dollar. Nova Fan twenty
one says, Alison, I got to correct you on women
not wanting feminine men, as K pop is popularized by
girly looking men and not a shred of macho masculinity
and the girls lovely.

Speaker 2 (34:37):
Later, did I say that that think?

Speaker 1 (34:41):
Alison claimed that that that women don't want that, But
I'll say I will say that women will claim they
want those guys until they're with those guys and then
it changes. So women don't know what they want. That's it.
That was your pearl of wisdom. Women don't know what
they want. Let's move on. They tell you they want

(35:02):
something they don't they don't want, they don't know what
they want. They're going with like because the reason why
they like those K pop men. Is because they're high status,
famous men, that's it. It's not because like if it
was a Plaine dude that wasn't like a completely unknown
dude that was like feminine and girly, they wouldn't like him.
They only like those guys because they're super famous and

(35:22):
high status. There's like a there's a difference between looking
like what's his name. I'm trying to think of the actor, like,
what's a what's a really like after looking like Zach Gallifanakis.
You know Zach Gallafanakis is he's like a Greek guy,

(35:42):
really hairy, big beard, kind of fat. He was in
the Hangover. There's a difference between looking like him and
being him. If you are Za, Zach Galifanakis or Seth Rogen,
you're gonna be really successful with women because you are
those people. But if you just look like those guys, no,
it's not gonna work.

Speaker 2 (36:00):
So yeah, yeah, Nolash.

Speaker 1 (36:04):
Women don't know what they want.

Speaker 2 (36:06):
I'm sure there are women who like felmboys, All power
to them. I honestly, I think that a lot of
these women are just being performative.

Speaker 1 (36:17):
Ironic, But yes, irony, it's true because when they say,
because essentially, these guys are fighting toxic masculinity by doing
this effeminate stuff, and women don't like it because they

(36:37):
think it's they think it's a lie, they think it's untrue.
But they're also not attracted to it. What is on
the IC list, it's probably a bunch of contradictory ship
and I'm sure that all of this stuff is on there,
so but.

Speaker 2 (36:49):
Anyway, Yeah, let's get through this stuff. Bang it out,
all right.

Speaker 1 (36:53):
Men used to go to war. Now we drink macho
with oat milk jokes. The infant fitness influence are on Instagram.
I'm a Macha guy now, Ladies brags a creator on TikTok.
There is a bleak truth in this. Young women are
constantly worn in the dangers of the manisphere, of the
burly bruisers who spend their days chomping on raw liver
and wining about body counts. The cult of toxic masculinity

(37:14):
is now so overcooked as to be limp and meaningless,
and crucially, it entirely misses one key thing. Feminine men
can just be can be just as toxic as the bodybuilders.
It is gen Z's shallow sexual politics which privilege looking
progressive over deeply felt values that have landed us here.
So there you go.

Speaker 2 (37:34):
Ok, like these are really deeply held values, like, for example,
I'm compassionate, but except you're not to half the human race.
Like yeah, no, this is this is all. It's performative
all the way down, my friends. Also, I noticed that
every man is toxic? How much? How many times have

(37:56):
I said that toxic masculinity means all masculinity is taxic.
It means men are toxic and the ultimate purpose of
the term is to give the person using the term
control over your behavior and potentially also open up your
wallet so that you can be have the toxic masculinities.

(38:17):
Oh sorry, the toxic match salinities exercised from your very
Oh god, that was a face pomp. Okay, But like
I've said this, these these individuals, they don't regard anything
positive as coming from men. And the other thing is

(38:37):
that the very fact that feminine men still want to
get laid makes them as toxic as masculine men. Gosh,
wanting to get laid is just like literally the worst
thing that men can do, literally the worst. God, we
don't want to have kids ever.

Speaker 1 (38:58):
Yeah, Okay, yeah, all right, well let's so yeah, next paragraph.
If the feminization of culture has succeeded, it is because
posing as a feat gains men access to the women
they want to sleep with. Cultural capital has deserted, roided
up meatheads and landed in the lap of the mustachioed,
mulleted lothario who professes to be a harmless feminist and

(39:22):
who wields just enough knowledge about Judith Butler to talk
a blushing sociology major into bed. His T shirt slogans
the future is female. This is what a feminist looks like.
Buys him access to gen z women who have come
to confuse political posturing with personality. He says it's progressive.
Therefore he is less likely to mistreat me. Oh, he
says he's progressive. Yeah, so this is all a lie

(39:46):
and a cope. Like men are not losing, Like they're
saying that women have successfully feminized the culture and men
are being forced to adapt. I don't think that's happening.
I think most men are just doing their thing. And
you can see that by the dating numbers. Men are
walking away from relationships, they're not approaching women, and yeah,

(40:07):
they're not happy about it. But they're focusing on themselves
right now, that's what's happening. And these women are writing
articles like, well they really they they sure wish they
could be more like us. It's so sad for them.
Look at them. And when the few that do, when
they do sometimes they're like, oh, this guy's up to something,
you know, and it's like, no, you guys are coping

(40:28):
right now. You're coping because men have are just moving on.
That's what's happening.

Speaker 2 (40:34):
Probably even these people, these guys drinking maka macha maga
and reading books, they're they are just they're just doing
their thing. Like they're probably just doing their thing. They're
probably have no concern over how attractive this is to women,

(40:56):
because I really doubt I mean, is this is this
is this article is supposed to be tongue in cheek
or is it seriously asserting if a man, if a
man orders a maga on ice and I will milk
maga on ice, that all of the women in the
vicinity are going to descend on him. No, unless this

(41:18):
is this is big big Macha doing an ad was
that macha?

Speaker 3 (41:24):
Isn't it that?

Speaker 2 (41:24):
That's correct? Don't don't WinCE me, don't bristle your mustache.

Speaker 1 (41:29):
Oh no, you got that right. I'm just I just don't.
I don't think this is an ad. I think this
is The New York Times has to like have a
certain number of thought pieces. I think that they this
woman had this idea. She probably was at a coffee
shop and saw a man there drinking a macha and
was like, that's not right. Like she saw it, like
it was out of place. Like she thinks that she's

(41:49):
the main character from They Live, and she put on
the glasses and saw that he was an alien and
not a human being. And so she came and wrote
up thought piece on it, and I mean, look it
just for me. It just tells you. This is how
comfortable women are. Their lives are so cushy, and they
are so safe, especially the ones that live in these cities,
or at least they think they're safe that they can

(42:10):
write about, like the political consequences of coffee shops, Like
that's where they're that's where they're at. They're like see
and whatever that means for like the dating market. This
is how absolutely in a bubble you are that you're
writing the stuff.

Speaker 2 (42:28):
I mean, remind me to talk about the fake geek
girl phenomenon in relation to this, Let's continue, let's finish this, so.

Speaker 1 (42:40):
Feminize yeah, last paragraph. Men must feminize themselves to survive
this paradigm shift in women's romantic preferences. See that's a lie. No,
they don't like some of them do, but most men
are just doing their thing. I don't see where you
think that this anyway. When visibly masculine men are maligned
as potential abusers, women choose the wolf in vintage clothing.

(43:01):
All but this is all based on false assumptions. Performative
macha is a one way was one more way that
ill intentioned lover boys can game our sexual politics' daft stereotypes,
joining tried and tested tactics like professing to be left wing,
painting one's nails, and listening to Phoebe Bridgers. You are
just as likely to be shagged and bagged by a
macha drinker as a craft beer enthusiast or indeed a

(43:24):
plain old lagger fan. So attention women in New York.
Next time you hear the jingle jangle of ice and
see a Margellia hooked man walk on.

Speaker 2 (43:32):
By, Okay, what is this? Is this just literally I've
talked about this so many times that our society is
just presenting men as really poor choices, as romantic partners
and everything. So we're we're just basically saying, no, you can't.
There's no man. There's no man that's acceptable. They're all toxic.
Just stay your single self, lady. And we're not saying

(43:55):
this because you're gonna vote Democrat and you're gonna support
more government spending for bullshit. No, we're not saying that.
We're we're we have your best interest in her totally.
But this is like that, we're just flat out this,
this article is flat out just saying no man is good.

(44:16):
Leave them all. They're all poisoned, and and the statistics
don't bear them out, like I mean, the honest statistic,
the empirically sound statistic. So, by the way, this is
an interesting factoid. Did you know that feminist statistics find
about two to four times less male victimhood than non
feminist statistics when it comes to domestic violence and sexual assault?

(44:39):
Did you know that, Brian, that.

Speaker 1 (44:42):
Is that small of a gap. Actually two to.

Speaker 2 (44:46):
Four times less, can.

Speaker 1 (44:48):
Say four times? I thought he was like four No, totally.

Speaker 2 (44:54):
Yeah, So they and it's just a coincidence, guys, just coins,
and it's jest. Coins. It is that that the Times
uh bases its view of reality on feminist statistics that
are so consistently biased against male victims. But when you
look at actually empirically sound statistics that minimize recall errors

(45:16):
and whatever, you find it's equal. Right, Sexual victimizations pretty
much equal. Domestic violence is pretty much equal. Men are
about as much threat to women as women are to men, right, Yeah,
that's that, that's just reality. And the reason why is
because women's greater social power evens out men's greater physical power, right,

(45:42):
you know, and women can do things like use credible
threats of if you don't submit to me, I'll say
that you you graped me, You rape me? Right, So
it's it's this is this is all exists in a
manufactured world where men are no more toxic than women.

(46:02):
And it's ridiculous to even talk gender toxicity because gender
isn't a causal factor for this kind of behavior. What
is a causal factor is apparently being subject to multiple
forms of abuse, So neglect and sexual abuse, neglect and
physical abuse, physical abuse and sexual abuse, right, emotional abuse
and neglect multiple forms of abuse has the highest correlation

(46:27):
with going on to become an abuser. But even then,
and it's mostly been men who's been studied, so I
can't say the same for women. Even then, children who
are multiply abused, only a bare fraction of them go
on to become abusive or criminal. Right, it's not even
it's not even like it's like one hundred percent. No,

(46:47):
it's more like three point five percent of abused boys
go on to become abusive. So this is it's that
the overwhelming current of masculinity is away from being abusive,
away from being toxic. And yet if you read articles

(47:08):
like this, what is it saying, Oh, ladies, stay away
from those men. There's a taxic. They's a taxic. And
yet this article comes from an ideology that will keep
women single, right, it will keep women single for political reasons.
And it's not like, I don't even know if you
could consider democratic like the Democratic Party to even really

(47:29):
have principles at this point. It's only principle is extending
expanding government spending and justifying it. So there is the
party of expanding government spending, which is almost all the
government because the government likes itself a lot doesn't like
us much. And then there's a party of trying to
rein it in somehow okay, or there's the people that

(47:52):
are trying to rein it in. That's it. Those are
the two, and this article is encouraging women to be
part of its vanguard. That produces a whole bunch of
moral smoke, moral camouflage for the activities of expanding government spending.
That's what single women do. That's why they cape for

(48:14):
everything that expands government spending. Have you noticed that?

Speaker 1 (48:20):
Yeah? And government overreached too, not just money, but just
like controlling people, censoring people, Yeah, growing people in jail,
like whatever it is.

Speaker 2 (48:31):
They want more single women. This political position wants more
single women because the single women provide cover and they
cape and moral force for government spending. Okay, for whatever reason,
single women really are okay with spending other people's money.
So they want to keep the increase in single women.

(48:53):
So they're constantly doing this kind of stuff. And the
thing is that this comes from an ideology that will
sacrifice women's well being to promote itself, like feminists will
stigmatize interventions into domestic violence that show a reduction in
women's risk because it reduces batterers, and they'll they'll be like, no,

(49:14):
we're not doing that. We're not reducing the number of
women who are gonna be battered because that could question feminism.
So this is from an this this is a toxic
ideology telling women that men are toxic, and they're telling
it's telling women that men are toxic because it is toxic. Yeah, okay,
let's go to the next article.

Speaker 1 (49:35):
All right, So what is GQ? I can't read the
GQ one because apparently I don't. I'm not subscribed to GQ.

Speaker 2 (49:43):
So I said you, this should be a transport.

Speaker 1 (49:49):
You can use the choral Ai thing for that instead.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
Sure, yeah, let's let's use our backup plan.

Speaker 1 (49:55):
All right, So this one is our Macha men the
news Soy Boys by GQ.

Speaker 2 (50:03):
Okay, actually, guys, I oh no, this is the wait.
I don't want to do that. Never mind, let's just
go back here. I'm not going to touch anything. Okay,
all right, come in the new Soy.

Speaker 1 (50:13):
Boys, Macha. I have it. I'm looking at it. I
can see the article. It's kind of it's kind of
long though, well, I mean it's not super long, but
like we're reading like three articles and we're watching a video.
Can we just get a summary of this? Because I
know everybody who writes an article for any of these
websites is like trying to get their book made and
say use this as an opportunity to flex their literature skills.

(50:36):
And I'm just not interested. I just want to know
what the point is, where is the where is the chase?
And how do I cut to it? So I'm going
to go to summary and I'm going to ask this thing,
you give it to me?

Speaker 2 (50:51):
Give it all right?

Speaker 1 (50:54):
And of course the summary is also long, good job, choral,
all right? So summary. In recent years, the vibrant green
tea beverage known as macha has surge in popularity, especially
young men among men, positioning itself as a healthier and
visually striking alternative to coffee. The rise is far to

(51:16):
gender debate online about whether it is socially acceptable for
men to enjoy what some perceive as a girl drink.
The phenomenon has given birth to the new archetype of
the Macha man. This is a conversation that people are
having online. What are you talking about? Like? Can you
imagine thought pieces this long and this like robust and

(51:40):
this academically backed up about pineapple on pizza. I mean,
you know, that's a done debate as far as I'm concerned.
But can you imagine or like whether or not you
should you put your roll of toilet paper so that
the papers come off the top as opposed to behind,
you know, and that that somehow is like something we

(52:01):
can use to measure your the level of your humanity.
Uh okay, that's a point.

Speaker 2 (52:07):
Because this is level. This is measuring the level of
men's humanity.

Speaker 1 (52:11):
Yeah, yeah, whether or not they're they're the enemy of
the of the people or not. Okay, well nor okay.
Contrary to the detractors who mock men for drinking Macha,
many see the Macha man as a figure pushing back
against Richard gender norms. Really like having a preference, okay whatever, whatever,

(52:33):
uh TikTok. Videos abound showing men incorporating Macha lattes into
their fitness routines or casually enjoying the drink socially, sometimes
with friends or partners. Social media creators highlight the backlash
against Macha men as a product of narrow mindedness that
critics use to try and shame men stepping outside of
traditional masculine roles. No, what are you talking about? So okay, wait,

(52:59):
so this is just an the way to attack like
normal masculinity. Let them to normal like what they call
what they call like toxic masculinity or traditional masculinity. They're
blaming that for the ridicule and the shame that MACHA
men are getting. But that's not coming from other men.
That's coming from women. Yes, like it's women saying I

(53:20):
don't trust you, you know women.

Speaker 2 (53:24):
Yeah, well maybe it's coming from like fitness bros. Or something.

Speaker 1 (53:29):
I mean, like only if they're only if they're saying
that it's actually not healthy, because like, you know, I
could see that. Like I don't, I don't know. I
don't buy any of this. I don't I don't think.
I don't think men are going around policing other men's masculinity.
I don't think it's happening. I mean maybe in some
places I've run into what red it.

Speaker 2 (53:51):
Does happen with the red pill guys, but.

Speaker 1 (53:53):
You know that's not Yeah, but those guys are kind
of fringe and like again, like I don't think.

Speaker 2 (53:59):
They have an opinion on what's masculine. These people have
an opinion on what's masculine, Like, it's like, how about
an opinion? Like lay off the opinions, you know, like, yeah,
it's just and that's not this because they are gonna say, well, oh,
the maca, the machia masculine, the machulent, the machia masculine,

(54:23):
that's that's where it's at. But the machio masculine, that's
not where it's at. It's like, so everybody has their
opinion of how men are supposed to do. Why not
why can't men just you do?

Speaker 1 (54:37):
Well? Yeah, And the thing is most men are just
gonna just be like if they're because they're I mean, generally,
men don't care what other people think. At least I
don't think so even even if those other people are
other men, like the men like women that like feminist
women that talk about toxic masculinity. They they they think
that men's social dynamics are like women's, where there's pressure

(55:01):
from their friends for men to conform to a certain
way of being that is against their nature because it
is what men do. That's where they get that, you
know that, like those those narratives, you know, we're toxic
masculinity is something that men reinforce in each other. And
they you see these videos that are like, you know,
sketches of men. It's not it's meant to like make commentary,

(55:22):
but they're always like really over the top, like, ah, man,
did you grab her bits?

Speaker 3 (55:25):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (55:26):
Man, I did? What did you do? You know? It's like,
guys don't talk like that to each other. And I
and what it is to me, I think it's a
it's a it's a you know, it's an admission that
women do that. And so they so they think if
women are doing that, which maybe they are, I don't know,
they assume men are doing that too. They must be.

(55:46):
But like no, like I've my friends and I when
I used to talk to them all the time, that
would never come up. We wouldn't talk about stuff like that,
Like it was. It just wasn't in my reality, and
I never saw it anywhere. I don't think that's the
way men communicate. But because they presume that toxic masculinity
is some socially reinforced behavior that is actually not men

(56:09):
in men's nature, they're they're already starting from a false premise.
So then this macha man thing happens. And I think
it's if anyone is turned off or disgusted or has
an issue with it, it's probably women. And if men
have an issue with it, it's either because they're these
like you said, they're like red pill guys, but more
probably more than that, it's probably because they disagree on

(56:32):
another level. Because if if a macha man is like
actually a male feminist or a progressive, I'm gonna take
issue with him. But it's not because he drinks macha.
It's because he has an ideology that hates men so like,
but they're gonna treat that, Oh, you don't like him
because he drinks macha. No, I don't like him because
he's a feminist. These are different things, you know.

Speaker 2 (56:54):
Okay, but let's go to the examples, all right. So
if you go to the Coral Eyes transcript, which is
just the easiest way to get all of this stuff,
and you go to but the gendered conversation comes at
a moment of global maka boom. Do you see that sentence?

Speaker 1 (57:13):
Is that.

Speaker 2 (57:15):
Four four paragraphs down?

Speaker 1 (57:18):
What? What in the article?

Speaker 2 (57:20):
Yeah, in the article, in the in the in.

Speaker 1 (57:21):
The but the gendered conversation comes at a moment of
a global Macha boom, and the concept of the macha
man appears to have originated here in the US from
two viral videos earlier this year. The first from digital
creator Kyle Umemba declaring his loyalty to the drink and

(57:42):
ripping that it's cooler, it's smoother, it's macha. He has
since launched a collection of merge with the cash phrase,
so yeah, he was selling something, okay.

Speaker 2 (57:53):
The second go to the next.

Speaker 1 (57:56):
Nine year old TikTok comedian Mohammad Hussein and his impersonation
of what he described to GQ as a mosque board member.
A mosque board member who is suspicious of the beverage.
You're a man, you are guessing you are getting a macha,
goes the audio, which has since been used for many
a macha themed TikTok. Why why not? Can you be

(58:21):
a macho? His character goes on to lambast oat milk okay.

Speaker 2 (58:28):
So basically they are examples of pushback against this. But
I keep going, keep going, because it's some of it.
The implication is that it's men keep going.

Speaker 1 (58:44):
Yeah. In all corners of the Internet, people are repeating
the phrase men used to go to war, Now they
drink macha. Some are doing so in what appears to
be assertion that the drink is feminine, and one viral
TikTok one woman writes, don't let no man who drinks
macha raise his voice at you you talk to him.
Woman to woman, Yeah, it's a joke.

Speaker 2 (59:03):
Exactly, it's a joke. Well, it's it's it's not a joke.
She's saying, it's not just a joke. She's also saying
that on masculine men earned death. Doesn't drink it, but
also earns her deference. She recognizes him as a man.
A man who drinks maka isn't worthy of her submission.

(59:24):
Which has got a lot of stuff in there. But
let's see if GQ actually unpacks the stuff. Because it's
not just a shaming men for liking maka from a
woman matcha from a woman. It's also saying that if
a man is masculine, you defer to him. So it's
it's it's traditional gender roles wrapped up and shaming men

(59:46):
for liking this drink. Go to the next paragraph. Let's
see how GQ responds to that.

Speaker 1 (59:51):
Unfortunately, we've been here before. Drinks have been assigned on
official genders for ages, so much so that one twenty
twenty three study on gender and food showed that men
avoid food seen as delicate and sweet as a way
to protect their masculinity. Of course, gendered food discourse is
a scourge that women are also taught to internalize, with
often disastrous effects. On the Internet, these tends, these trends

(01:00:14):
manifest as men eating raw onions as a test of manhood, shaming,
soy boys, and protein obsessed diets promoted by the manosphere.

Speaker 2 (01:00:21):
All right, all right, so what the examples? Do you
notice that the examples that GQ gives are a man
proclaiming his love of Macha Macha, another man mocking his
conservative community for being suspicious of it, a bunch of
gender neutral people saying we used to send boys to

(01:00:42):
Warren Alley dream Macha, and a woman who not only
shames men for liking Macha but puts them in a
binary where you see a man who likes Macha as
a woman, and you see a masculine man as someone
you defer to, that who can speak loudly to you

(01:01:03):
and give you commands. And somehow GQ translated all of
that data into men shaming other men. Too bad? You
didn't support it GQ, and it doesn't freaking matter. Like,
Machia is a very sugary drink. I would imagine people
who are promoting a pro to high protein lifestyle lots

(01:01:26):
of fitness are going to be like, this is a
sugary drink. Why are you drinking?

Speaker 1 (01:01:29):
Yeah, they're probably just against carbs or at least like
saying that you should take fewer carbs, and macha is
yeah pretty high. It's like lattes. They're very sugary.

Speaker 2 (01:01:42):
Yeah, okay, But.

Speaker 1 (01:01:45):
Of course they have to frame it gendered wise because,
like you know, like the guys that are bodybuilders or
that are into fitness, and women too, by the way,
that are also into fitness stuff, they might be inclined
to be more interested in paleo or carnivore or at
least high protein, low carb or whatever. That's not a

(01:02:07):
that's not gendered thing, but they're trying to make it
into that. But anyway, Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:02:12):
I Ultimately, this article concludes that the growing swarm of
macha men might be a sign that guys are freeing
themselves from gender conformity, or at the very least enjoying
what is undeniably a delicious beverage. Okay, freeing yourself from
gender conformity isn't landing in the new conformist bubble, but whatever,
what do I know? God, damn, I'm gonna look at this.
This freakin' I'm gonna look at this. Uh oh, it's

(01:02:37):
it's okay. This is This is the study that's cited
helpful eating is a manhood threat? Do you want me
to send it to you so you can pop it up?

Speaker 1 (01:02:45):
Sure?

Speaker 2 (01:02:46):
Oh? Good grief. Wow again, I apologize for the construction
sounds guys. That much I can do right now? Okay,
I just sent it to you.

Speaker 1 (01:02:57):
Yeah, and then you can pop it up.

Speaker 2 (01:02:59):
We can read the ad strapped. I'm sure it's going
to be edifying. It's going to edify something. Wow.

Speaker 1 (01:03:08):
This is from original This original research Helpful eating as
a manhood threat abstract. Two studies test the hypothesis that
men's dietary choices are guided by the perceived genderedness of foods.
Men avoid feminine but healthy foods as a result, and
that endorsing a healthy but feminine diet can be a

(01:03:30):
masculinity threat. How do they determine what's healthy? Though? Because
I'm starting to feel like this is going to go vegan,
but let's see. Study one A established gendered associations about
a wide range of foods and diet types by having
a college student population rate the masculinity and femininity of

(01:03:54):
a wide variety of foods and diet types. So they
had college students do this, okay. Study one B surveyed
university students and found that the perceived genderedness of foods
predicted men's but not women's food preferences, even when controlling
for traditional gender role endorsement and foods is perceived healthiness.
In study two, we experimentally tested whether a healthy but

(01:04:17):
feminine diet represents a masculinity threat for men using a
sample of college students. Men and women were assigned to
publicly endorse, to publicly endorse a feminine vegetarian or masculine
meat based diet. What did I say? What did I say?

Speaker 2 (01:04:37):
Yeah?

Speaker 1 (01:04:37):
So basically vegetables are feminine. Men didn't decide this. This
thing is claiming that also claiming that vegetables are healthier
than meat. This is another claim that I don't think
is supported by the evidence per se. And it's funny
they're saying vegetarian not just vegan, Like there are no
vegetarians anymore, guys, I don't have you noticed. It's just

(01:04:58):
vegan now. Like vegan used to be the fringe thing.
Now it's the only thing. If you're like not eating meat,
you're just vegan. There's no vegetarian option, you know, it's
just vegan now. But anyway, so, men but not women,
who endorse the vegetarian diet compensated by reporting stronger identification
with their gender and more liking for masculine activities, and

(01:05:21):
they report it being less offended by jokes that targeted
feminine groups that symbolically threatened manhood, women and gay men. Collectively,
these results suggest that men may compromise healthy eating habits
because of manhood concerns, and endorsing healthy but feminine diets
can create motivations to compensate for threatened masculinity. So that's
the abstract, Alison, if you're muted, you can a mute now.

Speaker 2 (01:05:47):
It's just there is a lot like that. I think
they're directly overhead now, so yeah, there's a lot of noise.
I just put it through GROK. Can I actually share?

Speaker 1 (01:05:59):
Uh?

Speaker 2 (01:06:00):
Okay? So unfortunately, direct access to provided ur l resulted
in an error. Okay, I'm going to uh, I'm going
to download this sucker and I'm gonna put it into
groc and we're gonna look at that. But while we're
doing that, we might as well do the third article,
because it's the one that's the least annoying, the third article.

(01:06:26):
Let's do the third article.

Speaker 1 (01:06:29):
All right, by the way, And I think this is
important to note whether you're vegan or not, or if
your carnivor paleo meat and protein raises your testosterone. Yeah,
so I'm just telling you if they're if there's because
I don't think the purpose of the study is just

(01:06:50):
to measure this. I think that there is a concerned
effort to weaken men. And I think it's been like
this for a long time and they have like this
is why, this is why the soy boy exists. It's
not just shaming men. It's actually because drinking a lot
of soy isn't good for you, male or female. Like
I got cancer because of it, That's what That's how

(01:07:13):
I got cancer. That's what I think because for a
while there I bought into the idea that soy milk
was healthier than regular milk, and so I drank a
lot of it. I mean, I didn't drink it from
the carton, but I had like, you know, coffees with
soy milk and soy creamer in it because I thought
it was a healthier substitute, because that's what I was told,
and I got cancer. So I'm just saying, if they're coding,

(01:07:37):
they're saying that eating meat is masculine, they are saying
that eating meat is harmful, that it's bad because masculinity
is bad. So why wouldn't you conclude that? Okay, New
York Post woke men mocked by women for obnoxious performative
drinking habit. You guys ruined macha. Not my cup of tea,
these judge girls say. As the current global macho shortage

(01:07:59):
still looms, the drink's devotees are turning against one another.
The latest tactic to try to curb the tease traction
ridiculing its newer fans, who are mostly men. Some ladies,
who suspect that these men are adopting habits like macha
drinking to appeal to single women, have taken their teasing
to TikTok. Several women have shared snaps I'm not gonna

(01:08:21):
play this because this video is I think it's in
the video that we're trying to Several women have shared
snaps of unsuspecting men sitting in macha while reading a novel.
They claim these performative and woke nails are merely posing
an attempt to pick up ladies who are passing by.
I can't even drink macha anymore without being called performative.
One fella forlornly declared, Yeah, so women are saying that

(01:08:46):
they either don't think that those men are attractive or
that those men are being deceitful by participating in this trend.
There's something disingenuous about them.

Speaker 2 (01:08:59):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:09:02):
I'd like macha for years and I'm not stopping because
of internet weirdos, declared one dedicated drinker in the comments.
It's not just the tasty tea that's performative when men
enjoy it, though, some TikTok users even labeling habits and
hobbies like reading as insincere. Might as well have macha
and a Cairo Vinyl with you, Oh, Clario, Clario, I

(01:09:23):
don't know, Claro. I don't know who that is, joked
one reply, referring to yet another performative male habit, using
wired headphones, carrying tote bags, and listening to the singer
Clario Claro are also potential targets. So basically like, if
women enjoy something and men enjoy it too, they're fake.

(01:09:45):
It's like the fake gamer girl thing, right, Yeah, except
like women are actually doing it and they're being loud
about it.

Speaker 2 (01:09:52):
Yeah, and not quite. I would say that there's a
slight difference, but we'll get into that. Finish this, Finish
this article.

Speaker 1 (01:10:00):
However, others didn't find it as amusing. The fact that
someone's thirst for knowledge is now deemed as performative is
so incredibly concerning. We have strayed so far from the plot.
Read in public king. It's fun to read with a
busy atmosphere around you, wrote one chilled commenter, while another
said anti intellectualism is on the rise, and it's pressuring

(01:10:21):
all the smart people to stop reading.

Speaker 2 (01:10:23):
Yeah, no, it's not. We're not going to respond to that.
If you're smart, Okay, keep.

Speaker 1 (01:10:27):
Going, all right. While much of the discourse surrounding the
subject tends to focus on how the cheeky trend is
more indicative of contemporary culture, particularly where declining reading rates
and rampant technology use are concerned. Others simply said, it's
not that deep a scant few are simply curious how
much reading these literature loving lads actually get done in

(01:10:48):
busy public places. Though how long was he on that
page four? Wonder one user and another eagle eyed analyst noted, honestly,
he's like halfway through the book. If he was like
at if he was like at the beginning, then I'd say, yeah,
But I think it's just genuinely a nerd.

Speaker 2 (01:11:05):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:11:07):
At the same festival, one sneaky shutterbug noticed the man
with a macha in the pocket of his cargo pants,
sparking plenty of struky comments from women's rolling through the app,
But perhaps the most succinct sincere explanation for the male
macha craze comes from this man in the comments, because
macha tastes good. Wow, that's simple. And what's with women

(01:11:27):
all these like women like like paparazzi's taking pictures of
men in public, wouldn't like if that was I'm sorry,
but I.

Speaker 2 (01:11:35):
Know, yeah, but if.

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
The sexes were reversed, like, the guy would go to
jail probably, And that's what we know be a problem.

Speaker 2 (01:11:44):
Yeah, but that's what we need to do. I mean,
it's never gonna be old hat because it's something that
we actually need to do. Like just today I got
into this like there's this this quote unquote marriage counselor.
You can find him on my my timeline. He ended
up blocking me. He swanned in after I said, you know,
there was a meme that said that men spend more basically,

(01:12:07):
men spend more on women than women spend on And
I said, can we stop talking about put now? We
stop talking about pature? And he swanned in and he said,
but these men are not spending this money on what
women want.

Speaker 1 (01:12:21):
And I'm like what?

Speaker 2 (01:12:22):
And then he goes back and forth with a bunch
of part a bunch of people saying why are you
making this? Why are you put making men into the
bad party because they spend more on their partners than
women do. How did men become spend men spend more
on women then women spend on men? Women most affected?
Like how did you do this? And eventually I got

(01:12:45):
into this argument and I and he was professing that well,
we need to we need to be about equality. So
I simply asked, grok, okay, does this man treat men
and women equally, and Grok comes back with new he
has a very distinct change in how he treats men
and women. For men, if they're angry, he tells men

(01:13:07):
to try to extend themselves to understand women. And for
women when they're angry, he tells men to extend themselves
to understand why these women are angry. So it's always
put on men. The onus is in his therapy. The
onus is always put on men to take responsibility for
the fate of the relationship. Right, And there's this very

(01:13:30):
stark difference between how he treats male patient or male
clients and female clients. And Groc picked it up or well,
we don't know if he treats male and female clients
like that because we don't have access to that material.
But this is how he treats men and women on
Twitter differently. And I pointed this out. I'm like, dude,
then this is where he blocked me. Like I said

(01:13:52):
a lot of things to him, but this is what
he blocked me on. If anything has identified a bias
that you have that could potentially be harming your patience,
don't you think it Behooves you to look further into that. First,
do no harm. You know, the the the the Esclepias

(01:14:15):
statement that if you're if you're a health acare provider,
the first thing you have to do is do no harm.
If Grog has identified a bias, maybe you should figure
out if you're bringing that into your your with your clients. Okay,
and absolutely he responded with like complete dismissal of the

(01:14:36):
potential that this could be something he should look into
as as presumably a healthcare provider with any kind of integrity,
and not just that, not only is he putting the
onus on the relationship with the man. So if the
man is angry, he needs to understand his wife more.
If the wife is angry, the husband needs to understand
her more. So the onness is always on the man.

(01:14:59):
He's justified women's anger, which when he talks to men,
he says, well, you don't want to live in anger
because it leads to a loss of quality of life.
But you're justifying women's anger, so by your own omission,
you're leading them towards a toxic life. Don't you want
to think about these things a little closely and figure
out maybe you're bringing this into your practice. No, the

(01:15:22):
problem was me pointing it out. That really sounds like
a guy with the kind of integrity you'd want as
a therapist. Huh, good lord. Anyway, So that was this exchange,
and the way that it brings back is when you said,
you know, it's getting old hat to switch the genders. No, one,
we should switch the genders, and we should continue to

(01:15:43):
do so. We should drill down on this as far
as we can take it, because we should understand ourselves.
We should understand when we are not being equal, when
we are not applying equality to the to the sexes.
Whether or not we continue to not apply it is

(01:16:04):
a different question, but we should know when we don't,
and we certainly like that. Dude shouldn't be saying, oh, yeah,
I'm all about equality and then do the exact opposite,
equality for women but not for men, which isn't equality. Guys, Like, literally,
that's not equality. You can't have equality for one group
but not the other. Okay, so we're done this article.

Speaker 1 (01:16:29):
Uh, basically yeah, And for the record, I wasn't saying
that we shouldn't look at the opposite. I was just
I know that our audience has already done this because
they've seen us do this countless times. So what I'm
saying is is probably something you guys have seen before already.

Speaker 2 (01:16:46):
So I sent you a list of from the video,
the most like the best takes. If you want to,
you want to go through that list, or if you
have your.

Speaker 1 (01:16:57):
Own list, Which one is it? Is it just the
pdf the performative.

Speaker 2 (01:17:02):
Masculinity, Yes, it's the No, it's the second one.

Speaker 1 (01:17:06):
Oh, the performative male problem. All right, yeah, we can.

Speaker 2 (01:17:09):
We can use that as a guide since we've already
done the intro and we've laid the groundwork with all
of these articles. Now, this isn't really like calling her
out that much, because again, I think that she's a
somewhat sympathetic response.

Speaker 1 (01:17:23):
Well there's a twist, of course, not quite. I I
I don't know, because again I think maybe you would
just have to watch it. But I'll put these timecodes in.
We'll just go with this. So first of all, to
make sure this sound is gonna work. Score, Okay, it
is working. Okay. So she's like going through the list

(01:17:44):
of like traits how to become?

Speaker 2 (01:17:48):
What these are? All these how to become? Okay, let's
let's let's do it. I'll be quiet.

Speaker 1 (01:17:54):
I'm just gonna play this little bit. It's a joke.
Though this is a joke.

Speaker 3 (01:17:57):
I'm a performative male. No one knows the life last one. Okay,
let's see, Uh Macha Claro have a good credit score.

Speaker 1 (01:18:07):
Oh this is an ad. You know.

Speaker 3 (01:18:10):
Online discourse is at peak freshness when a paralegal over
at Consumer Justice has a great idea for a video
only the newest news and trendiest topics on this channel,
but even traditional meat.

Speaker 1 (01:18:23):
All right, So well, I mean women do like a
man with a good credit score.

Speaker 2 (01:18:30):
So I went through the IX the list of X
with with Mike and that you would be surprised. Apparently,
waiting in line is an ick. Doing your job is
an ick. So I wouldn't be surprised if eventually having
a good credit score is somewhere in there as an
ick some woman somewhere is a visceral negative reaction to it,

(01:18:54):
because honestly, you could just reduce the list of X
down to don't be feminine, don't be gay, and don't
be don't exist. There you go, all right? All right?

Speaker 1 (01:19:09):
So the next TIMEE code is apparently definitions and trades
are the performative mail.

Speaker 3 (01:19:13):
So phenomenon, which is what we in the biz call
looking at my phone on the toilet until I can't
feel my legs anymore. According to the data I collected,
traits associated with being a performative male include having a mustache,
having a letter box account, consuming maucha in any form,
choosing no alternatives, carrying a toe back, believing in astrology, listening.

Speaker 1 (01:19:32):
Pausing in for a second. Here, I don't know what
letterbox is, but okay, this is all like, well, whatever
this is. This all sounds like feminine traits, but I
guess that's that's the point.

Speaker 3 (01:19:46):
Specifically, loath vy Bbadoviy or Clara, owning physical media like
CD's Cassetta records, carrying metroproducts, wearing wired earbu's, wearing fifty clothes,
wearing jewelry, wearing Keycha toys, reading books about feminism and
reading books, right, women reading books outside reading.

Speaker 2 (01:19:58):
You silly slots. Everyone knows boys don't read. I love
h I'm interested in the twist, the twist of all this.

Speaker 1 (01:20:10):
Yeah, I mean, well, do you want me to jump
around or just cut to the no.

Speaker 2 (01:20:16):
I'm just interested, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:20:18):
But all right, Yeah, there is a twist. There is
a twist coming. You're gonna You're gonna be like like
I was. This may even start to warm up to
you and then the worm turns. So how well, I'll
let you guys figure that out. Let's let's play the
rest of this. There might not be much to it,
but let's play the rest of this.

Speaker 3 (01:20:36):
On the first few performative male videos I scrolled through,
I got the joke, but by the fourth, fifth, and
sixth something started to feel off, like when you suddenly
realize there's a pebble in your shoe. It's probably nothing anyways,
you ladies ever hear of Judith Butler my phone numbers
written on the back.

Speaker 1 (01:20:56):
But before we continue, so, okay, okay, this is probably
that was him that we're doing a this is what
men are doing. Right, do you rate Judith Butler my
phone numbers on the back of the book that she
was pretending to be a man. That's the only reason
why a man will be interested in anything is because
it might get him close to a woman. So all right, six,

(01:21:21):
I guess like right here, yeah, here we go, and.

Speaker 3 (01:21:24):
Is bothering me so much?

Speaker 1 (01:21:26):
Oh?

Speaker 3 (01:21:26):
A lot of these tiktoks are formatted in the exact
same way, a clueless performative male mining his own performative
business while filmed from afar, usually at a cafe. Please
buying your latte at a cafe. I only make mine
at home with macha fresh from the note.

Speaker 2 (01:21:40):
And we're not going to talk about this. This is
massively creepy, like you are filming somebody in public to
post them online to humiliate and bully them. I'm guessing
that she never points this out, that this is really

(01:22:01):
unsavory behavior on the part of the women who are
doing this, really abusive and thuggish.

Speaker 5 (01:22:09):
And yeah, yep, we did all right, but now it
just becomes more obvious, right because she's talking about the
only thing that matters here is men's behavior.

Speaker 2 (01:22:22):
No, I think there's I think there's I think that
there is something you are overlooking here. Okay, let's kid.

Speaker 3 (01:22:30):
I've heard of Kyoto owned by a blind ninety year
old woman. She only sells to locals, so you either
have to have a friend on the inside or hazard
of potentially problematic impression. Her other senses are heightened, So
you really got to commit I whatever I want. This
is a very tired, I mean tried and true technique.
The format of the modern freak show. Our job is

(01:22:51):
the audience is to gowck and squawk at his audacity
while throwing peanut shells between the bars.

Speaker 1 (01:22:56):
Of the cage.

Speaker 3 (01:22:56):
We are also trapped in. There are so many of these,
and most to them are I mean, it's pretty obvious.

Speaker 1 (01:23:02):
After a few se So this is women again, you know,
like this is here's one, says performative final Boss Bro.
Even gave the cat the ick, and the cat is
walking away from this guy playing acoustic guitar while drinking
a Macha, listening to something on his headphones sitting on
his front porch step.

Speaker 3 (01:23:21):
They're fake. It's supposed to be satire friends or the
account owner themselves dressing up for the bit. I mean,
surely the average TikTok user has the bare minimum amount
of intelligence to realize.

Speaker 1 (01:23:32):
So yeah, they're they're obviously because they're just getting clicks
on TikTok. So this is social media. A lot of
it's pretty fake.

Speaker 2 (01:23:43):
But okay, yeah, I just this is this is a
general trend. There is a huge amount of this kind
of maybe it's a social contagion where women get together
and they reject men and they're not even they're not
even waiting for the men to come up to them. Now,
they're actually filming them in public like a freaking weirdo

(01:24:05):
and rejecting them in like these little cliques. So man
is in public doing something that you can frame as
potentially rejectworthy, and you film him without his consent. You're
just like, I mean, it's public, so you know you
don't need his consent, but it's still you know, it
may not be illegal, but it is gross. So you
film them, and then you get together with your clique

(01:24:25):
of girlfriends or women online and you reject them. You
all reject them collectively. Holy shit, that was quite the pump.
Maybe I should go out there and make sure that
one of the roofers didn't fall off.

Speaker 1 (01:24:38):
Oh I don't think. Maybe here didn't sound that bad.

Speaker 2 (01:24:42):
No, well, but I got the microphone that's reducing the
But like you have a whole bunch of women going
online and getting in their little witchy click and just
rejecting this dude. And he's done nothing, nothing, He hasn't
even gone up Like it's like that, there's no longer
men are no longer approaching, so that they're not getting
their rejection fixed that way. Oh, I gotta get so rejection.

(01:25:04):
I gotta get that rejection. So they go and they
go and harass some guy. And this is harassment, right,
You videotape and you put him on the internet and
you open him up to all this stuggish bullying by
your clique of witches who are like, oh god, we
gotta get that gotta get a harassment. We gotta get
our rejection fixed him. Oh we haven't been able to

(01:25:25):
reject him because nobody's approaching us. So we're gonna do
this and we're gonna reject him. We're gonna reject him
so hard. And it's like that is repulsive. That is
like repulsory? Am I making I'm trying to I'm trying
to emulate the repulsiveness of this. Yeah, it's got this
weird kind of I don't want to use the term

(01:25:47):
in cell energy, but it's it's got that kind of
like kind of hatred plus insecurity, plus width of freaking fat,
full bo you know, kind of quality to this behavior.
You know, it's just can you just imagine just women,

(01:26:11):
this is gross. This gives me the ick, like you know,
men rarely give me the ick, but this, like a
lot of female behavior, really gives me the ick, and
this is one of it. Like, you can't reject men
are no longer approaching you, so you can't reject men
that way. So you're filming some dude who has is
absolutely doing nothing to you, and you're going online and

(01:26:32):
you're opening him up to a bunch of harassment by
your fellow losers. And I don't know, I don't know
any of the details of your life, but the fact
that you're engaging in this behavior loser.

Speaker 1 (01:26:46):
Losers, yep.

Speaker 2 (01:26:50):
You know, if you had a husband, you'd be you'd
be doing much more fun things right now. But you
got into the single woman. The party is single woman.
Koolid okay, all right.

Speaker 1 (01:27:03):
So he's reading some of the comments to these obviously
like stage videos. RMANIV.

Speaker 3 (01:27:09):
Who does he think he's falling? I'm so irritated. Who
actually reads books outside? Imagine him trying Manchha for the
first time, trying to find the page he's lost in
his booth with the labubus on his bag and his girlfriend.
Hopefully that's the case, but my parents performative. Whether or
not the videos are real is less important to me
than the amount of people who seem very comfortable with

(01:27:30):
the idea that they are surveilling each other in a
surveillance state. Seems like a little bit of a roll
up beanie on a roll up beanie, don't you.

Speaker 1 (01:27:41):
Yeah?

Speaker 2 (01:27:41):
Okay, my dude, my dude, my froggy dude. I is
do men do did do men do this?

Speaker 1 (01:27:51):
Like?

Speaker 2 (01:27:51):
Do they film women in public and publicly shame them
for their choices and appearance?

Speaker 3 (01:27:58):
Is there is this?

Speaker 2 (01:27:59):
Is this a common male behavior? Why are you referring
to this activity as people, people done, people created? I
think that this is purely female because I have never
I can only imagine the absolute outrage if there were
men sharing videos of women shaming them for what they're

(01:28:23):
choosing to eat and dress. Oh god, I just realized
just saying that made me sense the title wave of
absolute just the tidal wave of anger and outrage that
would just just imagine it, Brian, a whole bunch of

(01:28:45):
men on TikTok, maybe even a group of men filming
women in public and then going on TikTok to shame
them for their food, their dietary choices, and their choices
of dress, what they're wearing. I think that would be
yeaded off of TikTok so hard, And yet it's okay

(01:29:09):
if women do it to men. So no, she's saying,
this is surveillance culture created by people. I'm not buying it.
This is bullying culture created by women.

Speaker 1 (01:29:19):
Yeah, yes, all right, so I jumped. The next time
code she shows some clips of guys being called performative
that don't think they are, and yeah, let's keep goingtive.

Speaker 3 (01:29:32):
So did we get those pesky fake feminists yet? Like,
surely the joke is gone too far at this point?
Can we keep the comment section off the crosswalk? I
don't want TikTok behavior in my neighborhood, and don't make
me an ally of the hoa.

Speaker 2 (01:29:46):
Let me enjoyed my masha at my folk bag.

Speaker 1 (01:29:49):
I've been doing this since twenty point VII.

Speaker 3 (01:29:52):
You're a man trying to read in public. But then
remember it's performative. God forbids a man by flowers without
being called performative. You may think I'm being performative by
reading on the subway platform. Little do you know, I
haven't understood a single page of this book and desperately
just want to finish. I can start something new. You
can say, well, if they're not being performative, they shouldn't
care what people think. But that's not how humans work.

Speaker 2 (01:30:11):
Okay, I'm guessing that this woman isn't acknowledging that the
ciss behavior that women do and men will not they
I'm pretty sure that men would. If men were actually
filming women in public for the express purpose of shaming
their dress and their food, other men, namely like TikTok

(01:30:33):
staff or Twitter staff would be like, what are you doing?
I don't even think I'm not even sure I've seen that, Like,
have you ever seen that? No? No, I mean yes,
men can have opinions when women put their own stuff up,
like the gym the gym bunnies with their don't look

(01:30:58):
at my don't look at my ass, Yeah, my pussy fat,
which is clothed, but clothed by like a nanoparticle thin
layer of blue women, you know, don't look at that
as I shove it in your face. But I mean,
men can have comments on that, or comments about other
things that women put up. But I have never seen

(01:31:19):
men do this. This is like a new level of
bullying that women have invented. Congratulations, I am in awe
odd and full of the ick. Okay, but performative performative.
What I was gonna say is performative is actually it
is feminine. Like women see themselves in terms of a performance.

(01:31:45):
It's very interesting, and then they frame everything else in
terms of performance. It's unfortunate that English language has two
versions of the word perform perform as in to pretend
to be something and perform as and to engage in
an activity. But yeah, accomplish something, Yeah, to accomplish something.

Speaker 1 (01:32:04):
Like measuring your performance, you know, yes, on a test
or a skill. Yeah.

Speaker 2 (01:32:10):
Why I don't know why English does that, because they're
very distinct. I'm sure.

Speaker 1 (01:32:16):
I'm sure German. German is un cover.

Speaker 2 (01:32:21):
On that one, right, Yeah, but it would be like
sixteen syllables long.

Speaker 1 (01:32:25):
Yeah, probably basically a sentence that explains it in one word. Okay, okay,
let's uh, let there's more to this clip. So she
is recognizing that this is like overdone.

Speaker 3 (01:32:39):
Especially young humans, realizing I can't get a girlfriend. So
I turned to a performative guy. You're fifteen, worry about
how you're going to perform on that algebra two exam
next week. You only have a few more years until adulthood.
Play as much minecraft ask to get the straight the
actual performative male can easily discard his disguise and move on.

(01:33:00):
The men who are just being themselves are now suddenly
having their intentions interrogated. Everyone else is highly discouraged from
completely innocuous and sometimes is the twice behavior.

Speaker 1 (01:33:11):
Mmmm, well, no, it is. It is when well, look,
let me just letter finish.

Speaker 3 (01:33:20):
What exactly was the point of all this?

Speaker 2 (01:33:21):
Again?

Speaker 3 (01:33:22):
I think we can all agree that there's a difference
between intent and impact the intended target.

Speaker 2 (01:33:26):
Do you want me to tell you what the point was?
It was for women to indulge increasing their social cachet
and bonding with each other through rejecting men. That's it.
And honestly, it is increasing increases your social cachet because

(01:33:48):
the more men you can reject, the more socially desirable
you are. So and and like there is there is
psychology to There are psychological studies that suggests that people
bond through the rejection of others or expressing hatred towards others.
So essentially they've just women have just developed a new

(01:34:09):
way to shame the crap out of men, and then
they all came together to do it. There you go.
And honestly, I don't think it's I don't think it's
the same as the fake geek girl phenomenon. And the
reason why I don't think it's the same is because
people were not just rejecting women because they want They
took a positive identity from rejecting women, which is women

(01:34:30):
do from rejecting men. It's because they were trying to
make sure that these women weren't coming in to police
their spaces to death. In many cases, they had a
genuine interest in what this stuff was about, right, They

(01:34:51):
have a genuine interest in the merit of the material.
And guess what, the people who police these fake geek girls,
they then gate keyp hard enough and they didn't gate
keep hard enough because men want women in their space

(01:35:12):
unless they're based summerman. But you know, so it's like
they they wanted women to come in, so they didn't
actually make sure that the women who came in had
a genuine interest in the space and didn't want to
just enter a space and colonize it and take pleasure
and being like a freaking pirate taking over somebody's ship
and kicking them out and being like, well, this is

(01:35:34):
an I ship, nary are, Well, what we do now,
we'll just we'll just set up set it a blaze
and find a new ship to dig over because we're pirates.
Should a gate Keith.

Speaker 1 (01:35:45):
Trder Okay, all right, Albatross gives a super chat for
two and says it's giving sour Graves female energy. I
just had to like unpack that coded word. But I
think it's female. So yeah, thank you, Albatross. Uh yeah,
I think that's right. I think that's right. Okay.

Speaker 3 (01:36:04):
A pull from NBC paints a very different picture than
that painted by Poppy Seed Sourdough of the Times.

Speaker 6 (01:36:11):
What we found was a major gender gap among gen Z.
We talk about a gender gap. We see this all
age categories. It was even more dramatic among gen Z,
where gen Z women much more anti Trump, much more
progressive than gen Z men. We asked them a very
interesting question about what they're how they define success in life,

(01:36:33):
and what we found was when you break it down
by gender and by politics, the divide between these two
groups in just the basic question of success in life
was profound.

Speaker 3 (01:36:45):
I think sometimes what's more important?

Speaker 1 (01:36:46):
Oh, that's interesting. They left that part out where men
want like a wife and a family and women want
to be girl bosses and that was like their goals
in life. Interesting omission there. I don't know if that
was the fault of MSNBC or Funky Frog Bait. I'm
guessing that they both were probably fine with that being

(01:37:07):
left out though. Anyway, So this was to what no, sorry,
I apologize, Oh no, it's okay. Uh No, I was
gonna just go to the next time ago. But I
do want to say that this, this trend that everybody
can see kind of flies in the face and the

(01:37:28):
of the idea that men are trying to change their
behavior to appeal to women. When men didn't change their
voting or their beliefs. They just like basically put their
foot down and said, no more, We're done with this.
We're gonna go over here now, we're gonna you know,
Daddy's home. We're gonna basically like clean up and fix this.
And it's weird that you would think that they would

(01:37:49):
do that, you know, potentially alienating all the women in
their life because they know it's the right thing to do.
But then we'll still engage in performative behavior in the
hopes of attracting woman. I don't think it's that simple.
I think that there are some men who are just
into that stuff and that's fine, and then there are
men who are not. But you know, I'm I'm crazy

(01:38:09):
for seeing people as individuals. I guess also fine, Yeah,
it's fine.

Speaker 2 (01:38:15):
Honestly, I think we need to we need to chill
with this policing of masculinity. And I don't mean that
in a feminist way, because they do more do it
more than anyone. They police it out of existence. Like
there's a difference between I don't know what traditional masculinity
did it, which was just giving you know, like Johnny,
stay within the boundaries of this fence, you know, the

(01:38:37):
fenced in ranch. Just stay in there. That'll be your masculinity.
And feminists who are like Johnny, come over here, we're
gonna blow your brains or out and roll you into
a ditch. We're just gonna kill you entirely. Yeah, it's
like we're freeing you. We're freeing you, little Johnny from
the constraints of any kind of identity whatsoever. Don't you

(01:38:57):
feel great? Also, you can be feminine but not masculine
like that. That's the difference, Like traditional masculinity puts some
structure to young men's identities. Feminism says, well, we'll get
rid of that structure. But that means we don't recognize
you have any value whatsoever as a boy or a man.

(01:39:19):
Aren't you feeling free? Yeah, we took away all your value.
Don't you feel free? Like? Nobody's more free than the homeless.
They don't have to go home to a home, they
don't have to deal with that brills. They're so free.
That's what feminism is doing for young men. It's freeing

(01:39:40):
them from masculinity, from a recognition that they have any
inherent value whatsoever. Like ku, we just calm down from
that and just be like, you know, men sort of
have their own inherent way of doing things really different.
You know, it's just there, and you don't have to
force it to be there, and you sure as hell

(01:40:01):
shouldn't force it not to be there, because that ain't fair.
But just let's just all chill out and just breathe
and just let them be who they are. You know,
is there that side anywhere outside of like men's issues? Okay?

Speaker 1 (01:40:16):
Yeah, all right?

Speaker 3 (01:40:20):
Nextction of the wiki page the exact kind of book
that a performative male might tote around in his toe.
Gender Trouble by Judith Butler, So I bought it. First off, Hey,
philosophy majors, stop casually recommending this, you psychopaths. Do you

(01:40:41):
understand how much effort it took for my social media
poisoned brain to navigate this linguistic mindfield. I think I
had to read each page at least three to four times.
Miss Judy b spit in my mouth, beat me over
the head with theory, using words I didn't know how
to pronounce, and I said, okay, we.

Speaker 1 (01:41:06):
Yeah, Butler is a he is a monster. I don't
know which is worse, her Julie Bindle. They probably would
hate each other though. I think Julie Bendo is more
of the turf feminists and Judith Butler's more on the
intersectional side. But uh yeah, she's a demon for but

(01:41:32):
anyway we're getting to she's going to be the solution.
This is where the twist comes. I think. So throughout
the video she's saying talk about this performative male thing,
and there is a bit of credence given to the
idea that performative males are doing that because they're trying
to get women to sleep with them and so therefore

(01:41:53):
disingenuous and nothing they're doing is real. But then she says,
but we've kind of like overdone this thing where we're
policing that behavior, and now we're getting normal men who
just are you know, for whatever reason, by their nature,
they're trying. They they just want to read books, they
just want to drink macha, they just want to be
feminist men, and we're driving them away. So she she

(01:42:18):
doesn't see this as she sees it as a problem
because it's gone to excesses and it's frustrating her. So
this is where you get to the I think. I think,
let me see here, because you got the time out.
I know it was like another thing here, but let's
just go with this small book.

Speaker 3 (01:42:33):
Butler investigates the works of other philosophers such as Lucier Garray,
Simone de Beavoir, and Monique Vitig and their attempts to
define gender and how it relates to the goals of
the feminist movement.

Speaker 2 (01:42:45):
Butler encourages the more all right, so basically it's bullshit,
all right, I'm just going to get in here. So
they're they're they're defining gender in relation to the goals
of the feminist movement? Who let them do this? Like, seriously,

(01:43:06):
who listened to this and said, you know, let's let's
let's do this. Let's let's let feminists just operate in
academia unopposed for seventy years. Right, let's just do it
our sixty years, fifty years? How a manys? All right,
let's just let them do that, let them define the
genders in such a way that they advanced their own goals. Surely, surely,

(01:43:28):
nohing bad, nothing bad will come of that. Surely, let's
just let a bunch of radical like the radicals that
consume Marxism. Let's just let them define the most important
relationship in human society. Boy, that was a bold strategy

(01:43:49):
for us, wasn't it. Damn Okay? I'm done, all right.

Speaker 3 (01:43:55):
Not as a pre existing objective reality, but as binary
category constructed by our juridicial systems and hedged in by
compulsory heterosexuality, and not even necessarily constructed, well more, just
kind of bumbled together by what she calls a paternal law,
laying tracks just far enough ahead to maintain order. Even

(01:44:16):
the concept of sex largely agreed to be a simple
biological fact gets kind of blurry when you zoom out.
I mean, humans could have just as easily created these
important social divides between blonde versus brunette or versus brown
eyes or.

Speaker 2 (01:44:33):
Okay, is she advancing this notion seriously.

Speaker 1 (01:44:40):
Or as she read Judith Butler and now her brain
is cooked and she just buys it.

Speaker 2 (01:44:45):
No, I hope you don't.

Speaker 1 (01:44:46):
Just god, he reads Hooks.

Speaker 2 (01:44:54):
I mean difficult. Why does she need bell Hooks?

Speaker 1 (01:44:58):
Well? Because bell Hooks is a femine intersectional Okay, I
just want.

Speaker 2 (01:45:03):
To point something out. It is so difficult being somebody
who's trying to get people to engage in critical reasoning
and being up against people who are perfectly willing to
take the putty that is this individual's brain and twist
it into whatever shape they want. It's so much harder,
and then tell them that that's critical thinking. Critical thinking

(01:45:26):
is letting me do whatever I want to your brain lobes. Okay,
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (01:45:31):
All right, I'm just checking something, all right, a little
bit more thirty thirty seconds or.

Speaker 3 (01:45:38):
Something tall versus small, instead of this genitalia versus this
other genitalia. And that's not even including the complications introduced
by the existence of intersex people. It all gets kind
of subjective when you start to think about it. Butler's
ultimate conclusion is that gender itself is performative. Quote that
the gendered body is performative suggests that it has there's

(01:46:00):
no ontological you fucking dumb the various acts.

Speaker 1 (01:46:06):
No, if you accept that gender is performative, then you
can control it.

Speaker 2 (01:46:12):
Okay, Well, first of all, no, wonder women are conjecturizing
about gender. And that's the other thing. It's a bunch
of women deciding what gender is. Who are they asking men?
Of course, you're gonna call it performative because that is

(01:46:33):
your particular version, that is your mentality when it comes
to gender, Like that's the way that women view things
as performative, as a performance, right. That's that was actually
in the the study that I looked at that looked
at how people how masculine, how people who are masculine cope,

(01:46:58):
how people are feminine cope, and all the who had
the best coping skills. Essentially it was men or men
and women who were able to access female feminine or
masculine coping had the best coping skills, and then men
who had masculine coping skills, and then feminine coping skills,
and then the group that they call like neuter or

(01:47:21):
neutral or like non differentiated, which would basically just be
childish who have no coping skills, neither masculine nor feminine. Right,
But femininity is performative. Masculinity is about metrics of how
you know, not performative as in making a performance, but

(01:47:44):
performing an action and the consequences of those actions. So
you see yourself in terms of the consequences of your
actions versus how people perceive you. Basically see the difference. Now,
Judith Butler somehow figured out that all gender is a
performance because she's a woman and that's how she views gender.

(01:48:09):
And this is the problem with giving feminists the ability
to dictate gender, and all feminists being women, they only
see everything through their lens. So instead of instead of
recognizing that there's another half of the human race that
sees themselves and the way that they do in the

(01:48:29):
world differently, they only see themselves and then suddenly the
other half becomes something to eradicate as incorrect. Oh, good grief,
and I hope this is I'm starting to sense the twist.
It's starting to emerge from the swamps of sadness's can

(01:48:53):
we shall we watch some more?

Speaker 1 (01:48:55):
Yeah? I have, there's Yeah, we haven't gotten to the
bit yet as there's a couple more time codes, but.

Speaker 3 (01:49:04):
Which constitute its reality.

Speaker 2 (01:49:05):
Aka, you don't do things as well as.

Speaker 3 (01:49:08):
You're a certain gender. The things that you do create
the illusion of gender. And according to Butler, what we do.

Speaker 2 (01:49:15):
Is pregnancy and ejaculation.

Speaker 3 (01:49:21):
This is so bad that regularly those who fail to
do their gender right our gender performance.

Speaker 2 (01:49:28):
All right, all right, you mean like mother nature? Yeah,
you know, if a buck fails to inseminate a deer,
he is punished by mother nature. If a buck chooses
instead to try to inseminate trees, that's not going to
be adaptive. Like this is absolutely absurd, Like these grow.

Speaker 1 (01:49:55):
A beard, lady, and then you're a man. Just just
will it and to exist since manifested.

Speaker 2 (01:50:04):
Genders performative. Okay, all right, so I guess men did
get pregnant. Now they can perform pregnancy.

Speaker 1 (01:50:11):
Oh this is still she's still laying the groundwork for Okay,
all right, look we're not there yet.

Speaker 3 (01:50:18):
Man to be a good mother, to be a heterosexually
desirable object.

Speaker 2 (01:50:22):
To be a fit worker. There is no such thing
as an object, whether men heterosexually desirable object, and if
there is, then women have it in spades because all
of their sex toys don't have any humanity to them
at all. Okay, they have a bell.

Speaker 3 (01:50:42):
Jar or playing fantasy football. They are performing, so are
you and so am I? From flappers to hipsters, there's
always been a public outcry if enough people start violating
gender norms. Pats now their hair long, missy, that's good.
It's too trying to put an ethical spin on it.

(01:51:02):
Doesn't make it any more intellectual than the scolding of
your grandmother.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
We want to uh yeah, those are surface level things
that don't necessarily determine anything. So we basically claim that, oh,
you grew your hairlong as a man, that makes you
a woman. No, because if it made you a woman,
it wouldn't be worth pointing out that growing your hair
long mattered, right, You would just be like, oh, I
guess you're a woman now because you grew your hair long. Instead,

(01:51:26):
people are pointing out that, you know, like back when
it was I guess unnatural for men to grow their
hair long. Maybe they took at you that back then,
but I don't know, I feel like all that's fake anyway.
But look, let's get to the earth the No, we're
getting to the there, so let's go back to because

(01:51:48):
this is like the this is the this is the twist.
I think. So all this time we were talking about
the performative male and how where it comes from, which
is you know, like women seeing men that behave like
male feminists as bad because it means they're actually secretly predatory.
Then she says, oh, you guys are overdoing it because

(01:52:10):
you're going after actual like allies and actual you know,
perhaps actual male feminists that actually like macha and these
feminine coded things. So now, what la booboos?

Speaker 3 (01:52:27):
Where the hell did the little master go through all
of the intellectual posturing? The anti PSL campaign had a
palpable hatred for a very particular woman, an established character
with accessories and behaviors that complimented her drink of choice.
Sound familiar. Today's Macha is yesterday's pumpkin spice. Today's performative

(01:52:49):
is the flip side of yesterday's basic. It operates on
the same logic Liking bad dumb things is natural for women.
If a man likes it, he must have ulterior motives
or be you know, gay, because.

Speaker 1 (01:53:09):
Do you see what she's saying, So the women most affected? Yeah,
I figured that's where.

Speaker 2 (01:53:18):
But that's not a performance, is it? Like this is
what's hilarious about them? Everything, everything feminine is a performance
except being a victim. That's that is not that that's
that is actual existential truth, the existential truth of femininity.
Everything is performative about masculinity except being the aggressor that
that that actually is like, that is that is the

(01:53:40):
truth that that isn't performative. That's just the existential definition
of masculinity is being the villain, and the existential definition
of femininity is being the victim. So we don't have
gender roles except for these ones. And what a surprise?
Everything into women most effective women are the victim. What

(01:54:03):
a flipped and surprise. Also, I just wanted to point
out the fact that gender roles can have different rituals
or evolved and have different social markers. Doesn't mean that
biology is a performance. That's absurd.

Speaker 1 (01:54:20):
Yeah, we just it's those things are like the it's
like fashion. You know, men used to wear heels back
in the day too, So what like it doesn't mean anything, No, no.

Speaker 2 (01:54:30):
It doesn't. Yeah that when men wore heels, they still
had directions and ejaculated.

Speaker 1 (01:54:36):
Yeah, and they still fought and died in wars, and
they still you know, protected a home like it still did.
There were behaviors that were still expected of them that
they were just better at than women.

Speaker 2 (01:54:49):
So yeah, yeah, that's that's and so there was still
these expectations put on men, and and still men looked
at the world in the way that men do.

Speaker 6 (01:55:01):
You know.

Speaker 2 (01:55:01):
And that's what has happened is women have looked at
the world like feminists, and they've decided everything is feminine.
Coat is basically the way that women look at like,
everything is performance. And then they've they've declared that there
is no such thing as gender. Well, you've just categorically

(01:55:23):
removed one sex is intellectual perspective from your consideration, and
so yeah, we're all gender fluid now because there is
no such thing as the binary. You did that to yourself, bud.
There's no such thing as the binary. Yeah, because we've
removed one poe like, we've removed the legitimacy of men

(01:55:47):
as as a way of thinking, Like men have their
own particular way of thinking. That's illegitimate. Now we all
have Now it's a gender, there's no there's no men,
so now we can say that it's fluid. Yeah, yeah,
this is all nonsense.

Speaker 1 (01:56:03):
Thirty more to this clip.

Speaker 3 (01:56:04):
Hold on, okay, like bad dumb things. Women's participation doesn't
change this.

Speaker 1 (01:56:11):
Uh.

Speaker 3 (01:56:11):
By the way, they were some of the anti PSL
campaign's most decorated soldiers back in the day. I will
never recover from those webcomics. This is why the performative
male trend isn't revenge for women. It's the sequel what
started out as a friend no danger.

Speaker 1 (01:56:30):
Yeah, just kidding, there's all that's a twist.

Speaker 2 (01:56:33):
But anyway, so women most affected. Basically this is the
rejoinder to.

Speaker 1 (01:56:38):
The pump, the reason, the reason why these men are
getting shamed for so like if they're performative. If it's performative,
then it's not real, it's not genuine, and the men
are being like evil, lying manipulators that can get women
to sleep with them. If it's legitimate, then it's bad
that we're shaming them because well essentially we're shaming their

(01:57:01):
behavior as feminine because all things that are feminine are
bad because women are bad. So you know, like damned
if you do, damned if you don't.

Speaker 2 (01:57:11):
As usual, Yeah, you know, honestly, I like pumpkin spice
quite a bit. Yeah, and I both like it. It
is a fine spice, it is a fine spice mixture.
It's a fine spice medley. There's nothing wrong with it.
And yet I also find the basic bitch pumpkin spice

(01:57:34):
memes actually pretty funny because they are and you know why,
it's because everybody likes pumpkin spice, so it's basic. Yeah,
and I don't.

Speaker 1 (01:57:48):
Even find it very well, is the basic thing. Most
of that was, and she even said it. Most of
that was women fighting with other women. Men didn't care
that we We're gonna still into the pumpkin spice thing,
like every time like come around, there's like jokes about it,
but like no one, no one is upset, no one

(01:58:09):
is losing sleep over it, no one's traumatized.

Speaker 2 (01:58:13):
Funny, Yeah, I mean, I think people need to draw
a distinction between teasing like the basic bitch pumpkin spice thing,
because nobody. I don't think anybody really thinks that women
who like pumpkin spice are like respond are the devil,
Like she's overstating that, like, I don't think that they're

(01:58:35):
they're they're viewing them in a criminal lens. Like, let's
clarify things here. The real problem is when we start
to criminalize people, when we start to say that their
behavior is anti social. Nobody's saying that about basic bitch
pumpkin spice lovers. It's just a joke, it's just mild ribbing,
tweaking the nose. But what they're saying about men who

(01:58:59):
like Maca, I mean, you can shame them as feminine,
who cares, right, that's your opinion. But the people who
are saying that they're some kind of toxic potential sexual abusers,
they are. They are criminalizing those men, which is removing
removing moral consideration for for them. So this is this

(01:59:21):
goes beyond just just teasing someone for liking pumpkinspice and
being basic, right. This goes into the territory of threat narratives,
of wartime propaganda, of justifications for slavery and genocide when
we view people as criminal. And there is absolutely no

(01:59:41):
reason to view men who like Maca as criminals. And
yet here we are, here, we be on the map,
here we lie, and and this and and this after
a whole lack of women have been videoing men in

(02:00:04):
public to upload their images of the net, to harass
and bully them, and to regard them as some of them,
regarding them as having nefarious criminal intent over them. Like
it is like, this whole thing is is women sexually

(02:00:25):
rejecting men who have expressed absolutely no interest in them whatsoever.
And no, women are not most affected. And no, this
isn't an extension of the performative basic bitch pumpkin spice
latte femininity. This is completely this is a completely different animal, entirely,
completely different. You know what, It's fine, you know what, Honestly,

(02:00:49):
I'm okay with the protein bros mocking the Macha bros.
Like that's just teasing. Honestly. Maybe maybe it's a little
bit mean spirited teasing, but usually that kind of teasing
doesn't result in anybody being shoved into appliances that get
really hot.

Speaker 5 (02:01:11):
Right.

Speaker 2 (02:01:12):
It's the it is the criminalization and then also the
dehumanization of this entire process, going out in public, finding
a man minding his own business, filming him, uploading him,
and then shaming him and subjecting him to oh, he's
probably his interior motives, toxic sexual ulterior motives, and we

(02:01:34):
got to call it out and publicly shame him. It's like,
what the fuck are you doing? Ladies?

Speaker 1 (02:01:41):
What is this?

Speaker 2 (02:01:43):
And then we have froggy here, Oh, women are the
roost affective? This is all about it? No, it isn't.
This is entirely, entirely female behavior, and it's nasty female behavior,
and we don't see it because it's pointed at men.
There's no excuse for this. And neither the New York Times,

(02:02:05):
nor the New York Post, nor GQ nor this individual
correctly identifies the real problem here. What the hell are
you ladies doing? Can I even call you ladies? Who thought?
This wasn't a This was a sensible idea. Why are
you harassing men who do nothing? Do nothing to you.

(02:02:28):
They haven't even had the audacity to go up to
you and say hi uh or express any sexual interest
in you, and you are reading sexual interest into them,
not even knowing that you're filming them like this is
pathological to the nth degree. And no, we shouldn't be
having the discussion about oh, well, mcha bos like they

(02:02:50):
are they doing? Well? What does this mean? No, that's
not the discussion that we should be having here. The
discussion we should be having here is why do women
think this is appropriate behavior? Any of this filming a
man who is minding his own business to put him
online so that you and your your gaggle of witches

(02:03:12):
can reject someone to read sexual intent into somebody who
is minding their own business in public and then reject him,
like what the what? What level of hell are we at? Okay? That?

(02:03:33):
Like again, that's the discussion is not whether or not
men like maca, whether or not men read that. The
discussion is why do women feel like this is acceptable behavior?
Why do they feel entitled to do this to men?

Speaker 1 (02:03:51):
Yeah? Okay, sorry, Oh it's okay. That was the last
time code. I think that was it. That was the
That was the twist, That was the the money shot.
I guess the take home is, you know, like women
most affected because Pumpkin spice, It was like that claim

(02:04:13):
is doing a lot of heavy lifting, a lot of
heavy lifting. So yeah, the hell has nine layers. This
is the abyss, So this is what this is below Hell.
This is the no, the abyss is a different place.
Six hundred and sixty six layers. So yeah, we're on

(02:04:37):
maybe I don't know, I lost count.

Speaker 2 (02:04:40):
No, you're right, there's probably still a room to go lower,
far lower, Like what.

Speaker 5 (02:04:46):
The fuck like?

Speaker 2 (02:04:48):
And nobody, I'm guessing nobody pointed this out.

Speaker 1 (02:04:51):
Nobody's like, you've got her fans. They there, they hear
what they want to hear. They're they're justified by that.
They you know, it's funny like when when men do
something that women don't like, then their masculinity is called
in the question they get blamed for. But when it
looks like they can't escape the double standard, because that's
what was going on, where there are women attacking men

(02:05:13):
for being you know, performative, and like it was getting
to the point where she couldn't call it out, what
does she do? She pivots to Judith Butler and said, well,
there's no such thing as gender, and then she says,
but also women most affected. It's actually a woman an
attack on women. So you go from men are affected
by something, Then you go Judith Butler says there is
no such thing as a man because jenner doesn't exist,
and then you go, but also women are most affected.

(02:05:36):
So this is the this is the game plan. When
it looks like men are about to get sympathy, we
erase them by saying, what what is a man? Though?
What even is that? And then when once people are
bamboosled by that, you go also, but look at here
is an example of how women are affected by this thing.
And then we move away. We're done talking about it.
Don't look. No, there's no turning the page back. You

(02:05:58):
know it's over. We got so.

Speaker 2 (02:06:01):
Many spells for for this is not my problem. You know,
there was like a this is not my problem field
in Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. We have so many
ways of throwing and this is not my problem field
over men's issues, this is not my problem, like and yes,
what you're saying her convoluted reasoning. Yeah, but what really,

(02:06:24):
what really gobsmacks me is that the story here isn't
women feel entitled to videotape men for the express purpose
of shaming their clothing and there and food choices and
their reading in public, to on on internet to bully

(02:06:46):
and shame them. That wasn't that. That's that's not the
story here. The story is actually legitimating this entire discourse
and saying, oh, yeah, it really is about the men,
not women's behavior towards men and then sexualizing those men
and rejecting them. Boy, that's embarrassing. Mm hmm like that.

(02:07:11):
That is some fem cell energy there. I'm gonna use
that term, all right. So, uh, once again, I want
to thank Richard for suggesting this. Uh. You can support
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If you have any final thoughts, go ahead.

Speaker 1 (02:07:38):
No, I think I said what I wanted to say
about the video. I think I basically made it clear.
So album I'm good.

Speaker 2 (02:07:49):
Yeah, our ar for z says it's the sep field
someone else's problem. Yeah, we got a lot of ways
of throwing the sep field over men's issue. You've just witnessed.
One invokes the spirit of Judith Butler.

Speaker 1 (02:08:08):
Yep, and she you couldn't read Judith Butler's common gobbledygook words,
but still managed to extract from that despite the fact
that she struggled to read it enough of an argument,
or at least something that looked like an argument, so
that she can present it in her video while claiming
that she did all the heavy lifting for her audience

(02:08:30):
so they don't have to. So she's basically saying, I
read this really hard to read books, so you don't
have to. And here's the thing that I came up with.
Oh look, how lucky for us. We're still right and
not at all at fault for any of this stuff,
and men just have to like accept that they're the
problem still. So yeah, that's it. That's that those are
my thoughts.

Speaker 2 (02:08:49):
Yeah, or at least that men are not the victims ultimately.

Speaker 1 (02:08:53):
Certainly not no, because as we know, but even when
men are the victims, men are the perpetrators, So that
cancels it out. Remember men are the ones calling men gay,
not women. That's not happening.

Speaker 2 (02:09:05):
Yeah. Well, she did admit that it was women who
were doing the pumpkins spice things, so at least she.

Speaker 1 (02:09:10):
Admitted that, Yeah, she did, But I think she was
trying to say, look, we hold our own accountable or something. Yeah,
it was kind of like a pat on the back
for women.

Speaker 2 (02:09:21):
So but what I think ultimately it comes down to
is that gender is a performance, but women are always
victims and men are always the villains. Yeah, women are
always in the white hats and men are always in
the way. They're not in the white hats because that's
hero hats. Women are always in the frilly bonnets and
men are always in the black hats. And there is

(02:09:42):
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Speaker 3 (02:11:59):
Let's do that.

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