Men are to blame for us blaming them | Maintaining Frame 193

Male loneliness among men is rising while leftists on this podcast try to figure out how to address this issue without addressing the issue. Interesting strategy, Cotton.

Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Now at a place where I see Democrats talking about
men in general and young men in particular, and I
think of them as like Ben Shapiro towards Muslims.

Speaker 2 (00:09):
Every sitcom has some man rolling his eyes at his
wife because she asked him to take on some childcare
responsibility or clean the house or something. And now you're
mad that women don't want to continue to be victims
and are asserting themselves.

Speaker 3 (00:21):
Because you are essentially implying that high school boys are
protected class and I cannot, under any regard see them
in that way.

Speaker 4 (00:28):
It's amazing, all right. So that's just a little bit
of a taste of what we have coming. Hello everybody,
and welcome to Honey Badger Radio. My name is Brian
im here with Alison. This is maintaining frame number one
ninety three. Men are to blame for us blaming them
when women blame men for things, it's men's fault that
women are put in the position.

Speaker 5 (00:48):
Of having to that's such emotional labor.

Speaker 4 (00:51):
It is in fact emotional labor. Yes, and we're going
to be looking at a video by well, it's a channel.
It's called the Bad Faith Podcast. The host is Brianna
Joy Gray and Brianna Joy Gray is an American political commentator, lawyer,

(01:15):
political consultant. Uh She used to write for The Intercept.
She was part of the Bernie Sanders campaign and a
lot of other things, very very much like a you know, involved,
not a small presence in the in the journalism space,
and she has on a couple of guests, one of

(01:37):
which is Ella Davey, who is a recent high school graduate,
that's the woman at the bottom there, and Canvasser for
Zorn Mamdani, the recent recently elected mayor of New York City.
And the other the gentleman, is Ryan Grimm. He's a

(01:57):
journalist formerly with The Intercept, currently with drop site News
and he co hosts Breaking Points. And the conversation they're
having is largely about the male loneliness epidemic. I don't
know why I'm putting it in quotes because it's totally
like a real problem. But the way that well, I mean,

(02:18):
we'll just let them figure out how they're talking about.
I think that this was first of all, this was
sent to me on x SO shout out to I'm
going to find the name Morgan Balan Balanasser who sent
it to me and said hi, Brian at Bad Faith
Pod just had a debate in male loneliness. They didn't

(02:41):
really represent the pro men's side at all. They had
someone that's the man, but he doesn't really know the
issues very well. I don't know if you, Allison want
to cover it. And I thought nothing of it, and
then I watched like the first third seconds a little
bit more than this, and I was like, wow, you know,
we got to talk about it because well, I mean

(03:03):
I found it interesting, and because we're looking at a
high school girl, the one at the bottom. She supposedly
like represents the youth. She's apparently she has a nickname,
or she's part of like a group called Hot Girls
or Mom Donnie, or she is the hot girl for

(03:24):
Mom Donnie. I'm not I'm not sure which of thouse
it is. And so she's sort of like a representative
of this kind of political movement of her age group
of the Zoomers or even the Alphas at this point,
and she's talking with these two adults, and the adults,
I mean, they're they Brianna Joy might be worse than

(03:49):
the high school girl. I mean, I can I can
at least say, oh, she's naive, but like she's a voter,
so she has political sway she can affect the people
in our life. And they're having a conversation about men
and well, I won't I won't spoil it, but we'll
see how much empathy they have. But before we get

(04:11):
into that, I guess I'll let Alice send the things.

Speaker 5 (04:15):
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Speaker 6 (06:00):
Then do you want me to say, so let's.

Speaker 4 (06:01):
Get into I want to get into this this opening section. No, no, no,
I want to get into It's like thirty seconds, So
I want to let this play out. Well, there's a
little bit more of this opening section because this gives
you an idea of what the tone of this is
going to be. It's usually like taking like the spiciest
things and like throwing them together right at the beginning

(06:22):
of the video. So let's do it.

Speaker 6 (06:25):
Are still running and.

Speaker 4 (06:27):
Go back a little bit, a little bit because she
did say something there relevant, every single thing.

Speaker 1 (06:36):
Miserable.

Speaker 3 (06:38):
Please, you guys are the hands of your own.

Speaker 1 (06:40):
Destruction the speech.

Speaker 4 (06:44):
He's she said, it's a man's world. Go go back
a little bit more like right here.

Speaker 3 (06:51):
Protected class and I cannot under any regard see them
in that way.

Speaker 5 (06:55):
It's fine, it doesn't matter, Chyle, Oh god, sorry, it's
a man. So she's saying, it's a man's world.

Speaker 4 (07:05):
And what is he saying, Well, let's let's let him
say it.

Speaker 5 (07:09):
I mean, every single thing.

Speaker 1 (07:12):
And they're all miserable at the hands of your own.

Speaker 4 (07:17):
Destruction the speech, So she said, he's saying they're all miserable.
She's saying, it's a man's world. They have everything, there's
no reason for them to be upset. And he says,
but they're miserable. Well he doesn't say, but he says,
and which I think is not even nearly argumentative enough.
And then she's basically saying, well, they can't even do that,
they can't even like be happy despite the fact they

(07:40):
had that all the power. So and he's just like
unable to respond because he isn't much better. Unfortunately, there
really isn't a voice for men in this conversation. Upon intended,
I could have been.

Speaker 1 (07:54):
Delivered by a anti criminal justice reform person. Verbat, girls are.

Speaker 3 (08:00):
Not inflicting sexual violence onto.

Speaker 5 (08:03):
Okay, all right, can we stop here? Like we've just
gone through a whole bunch of shit that needs to
be responded to. I'm just saying he's right, this entire frame.
I love how grinny they are. I wanted to say
one thing. I keep getting accused of radicalizing men. I
don't think I'm the woman radicalizing men. I think women grinning,

(08:27):
you know, like they're they're playing pocket pool while talking
about the misery of men is radicalizing men. Them saying
things like well, they deserve it because they did it
to themselves, a bootstrapping rhetoric. That's radicalizing men. The fact
that they can see these women who are a majority
of the electorate electorate and not just vote in their

(08:49):
own interests, but a vote against the interests of the
other half of the electorate, which is men, and do
so with absolute glee and complete assurance that they they're
doing the right thing, that they're they're inflicting this harm
on men because they deserve it. I mean, in any
other world, like if you had half the electorate gleefully saying, oh, yeah,

(09:13):
we're going to make it worse for the other half,
would you blame the other half for thinking about maybe
they should be disenfranchised? Because I don't think that I've
ever heard men really act so gleeful about anything facing women.
I mean, certainly not to this degree. And again I'm

(09:36):
the one radicalizing men, am I not this woman grinning
over their misery, cackling over their misery like a jackal
huh okay. And then the other thing is that he's
absolutely right. The feminist narrative would be considered a supremacist
to genesis narrative if it targeted any other group. And

(09:57):
their only alibi for why it's just defied when they're
targeting men is their whole elaborate conspiracy theory about patriarchy,
which if you judge it on the facts, and you
judge it on logic and empirical rigor falls apart like
a tissue paper in a frickin' tsunami. Yeah, it's just
it evaporates instantly in the face of any kind of

(10:20):
empirical rigor. So their framework for why it's justified to
be bigoted towards men is false. It is so false.
It is the most false thing we have ever asserted
as a species. It's falsity is going to carve itself
into the architect the archaeological record. It is so false,

(10:44):
all right, And this is what they used to justify
all their cackling and all their grinning and all their Oh,
we're gonna use our we're gonna use our voting power
to make things even worse because we don't even recognize
and even though we say that men have constructed a
society that bena fits them, and all the evidence that
men are actually not don't they don't you know, the

(11:06):
buffet of society, all the good things of society. Men
are not actually grabbing them all for themselves. They're leaving
them for women, right, And in fact, they are disproportionately
represented in the sacrifices to create the buffet of society. Right,
All of the evidence of that is just patriarchy backfiring
and men doing it to themselves, not counter evidence for

(11:29):
their own assertions. This is such a anti intellectual ball
of fuck right, And I can absolutely one sympathize with
men who look at it and realize these people vote
and they vote for issues that affect men, and they're

(11:49):
categorically incapable of recognizing or accepting that those issues might
harm men, and saying this is, I don't want to
be part of this society unless these people smarten the
hell up or lose their vote. I can, I can,
I can sympathize with that. Okay.

Speaker 4 (12:10):
I also I think I think, actually, now that you
mention it, I think that what these people vote for,
it's not just something that will affect men directly, but
it is essentially something that men in general are all
going to have to build it or or be a
part of the structure of whatever it is. They vote for,

(12:33):
whatever it is, if they want free housing, if they
want medicine, if they want food, snap benefits, fucking whatever
it is, it's men that's going to do the bulk,
the overwhelming majority of the labor that is involved in
giving this to these people. Yes, not just the taxes,
which we already know men pay the taxes or not

(12:54):
just that, but like the actual work that comes from
that and the enforcement of that on the people who
are doing it, all of that's going to come from men.
So so like they're they're I'm sorry, but women's contribution
to that is.

Speaker 5 (13:11):
It's negligible, and it's it's decreasing because the women who
support the system most are married married, and that that
number of women's decree decreasing. Right, So basically, what when
you look at this in terms of civil service, when
you because these people are talking about the fact that
the number of women or young women who want to

(13:34):
get married is at an all time low, Well, girlfriends,
beyond the implication for men's loneliness, which you're just going
to cackle about and just be like, oh huhuh, pat
each other over the backs for making men more miserable,
because that's that's your great goal in life. Well, there's
a there's more of a problem with that because the

(13:55):
only group of women that is generally a net positive
to siety are married. Okay, single women, they're hovering at least,
they're not a net negative. Single women with children a
gigantic net narrit negative, and the number of women who
are drawing from the system and setting putting into the

(14:15):
system is increasing. So the number of women who are
married and have any kind of positive input to the
system is decreasing, and the number of women who don't,
who are single, who vote for all of these policies
that everyone else has to underwrite, is increasing. So married
women's decreasing, single women are increasing. Single women are a

(14:38):
net drag on society. They are a net negative to
the tax base. They're a net negative for getting things done.
Everybody is subsidizing their asses, including married women, and now
more young women want to enter those roles. They want
to enter the demographic that contributes least to society, and

(15:01):
the rest of us are not happy with that. I
wonder why. I mean these women, I don't know, have
they ever paid taxes in their lives, either of.

Speaker 4 (15:11):
Them probably on their Sephora bag or they saw something
that taken out of their paycheck. But when you but again,
if you look at the big picture of like where
most of that money is coming from, it's not women.
But uh okay, so.

Speaker 5 (15:27):
I picked up what honest here, Brian, there is this
distinct difference between a woman who is married and is
part of a system incentivizing a married man to provide
more to the state and also creating the future of
our civilization by having children and a single mother who

(15:49):
is producing demographic collapse and dangerous individuals. I mean not all,
but a substantially greater majority of such individuals come from
single mother households. So you know, there's one route for
womanhood that's actually productive and socially responsible, and there's one

(16:13):
route that isn't. And these women are celebrating women taking
the route that isn't in a system that's increasingly failing,
all right, And there's a difference there. I yes, I
know men are primarily responsible for the taxes, but women
are primarily responsible for sort of marrying men and putting

(16:37):
them from the single category, which they contribute about as
much as single women without children, because those women don't
really draw a lot from welfare and other benefits either.
And married women and married men like they are the
ones who are marrying the men and putting them in
the category that is the largest taxpayer. Okay, and a

(17:01):
lot of the a lot of the tax deductions for
marriage aren't that great. Maybe when you have children but
otherwise no, all right, so this is this is uh.
In fact, if myself and my husband live separately, we
would get more in personal tax deductions than as a
married couple. But anyway, that's neither here nor there. So,

(17:25):
but the point is that married men contribute the most.
Married women contribute less than married men. But on the
other hand, they're also the reason why married men are
married men, and they're contributing the incentive structure of having
children and having a wife for the married men. So
they are contributing, Like can we can we at least

(17:46):
acknowledge that, because we've got to have a pathway forward.
And then we have single women and single men who
are contributing about the same amount in terms of taxes,
with single women without children not really drawing as much
on social service. And then we have single mothers. Now,
the real problem with single women and single men is
that they vote democrat, which enables single mothers to continue

(18:10):
to predate on the rest of us. And now we
have these people celebrating this problem getting worse.

Speaker 6 (18:19):
Yeah, okay, all.

Speaker 4 (18:22):
Right, So I found the time codes that have become
the most argumentative. Okay, so, and there's a few of those,
but I figured that would be a good way to
break it down. So let's get into this is four
twenty Well, it's like four to twenty. They get into

(18:43):
a tweet that's got.

Speaker 6 (18:43):
Somebody there, he cited from twenty twenty two. Now in response, we.

Speaker 4 (18:49):
Go back a little bit. Sorry, it's like four sixteen.

Speaker 2 (18:53):
Percent twelfth grade girls that say they want to get
married has dropped over twenty points over the last thirty years,
while the boys and and getting married has stayed about
the same. Wilcox framed this trend as quote disastrous because
he says married women do better than unmarried women. They
have more assets in midlife, they are less lonely, and
they're twice as likely to be happy.

Speaker 6 (19:12):
According to Don't Give a Crap Social Survey, I don't
give a crap.

Speaker 5 (19:16):
Married women pay more in taxes. Ruh. They incentivize married
men who pay the most in taxes. They are not
a net drain on society the end, I don't give
a crap about their happiness. Who gives a fuck? Yeah,
get your big girl panties on and enter the adult world. Uh.

Speaker 4 (19:37):
I got a super chat from Albatross. Thank you Albatross,
And he says kind of off topic, but the episode
from Wednesday about how people respond to vulnerable women kind
of reminds me of cuckoo birds chicks manipulating their host
parents into forfeiting their own chicks. Thank you for that, okay?

Speaker 6 (19:57):
He cited from twenty twenty two now.

Speaker 2 (20:00):
In response, Jill Philippovich, who you might know as a
sort of liberal columnist and a kind of a frequent
godfly to the left, quoted Wilcox, writing, quote might be
worth asking what it is about high school boys that
girls don't find peeling. I have a feeling the list
is long and informative.

Speaker 4 (20:22):
So they're talking about, like what you know that girls
are not interested in boys according to some survey, And
of course it's because of something that boys are doing.
Stuck it up, Yeah, teenage boys, like, yeah, it's all right.

Speaker 2 (20:44):
At this point, Ryan Grim drops jumps in saying, uh,
to Jill, there's no place for this kind of bigotry
in decent society. No decent person on the left would
ever dream of saying something that's hateful toward all girls,
and it's not okay to say about boys. And at
this point, Ella, who again is a recent high school
graduate and closer to this than any of us involved

(21:07):
so far, tweeted, I graduated high school six months ago
and can confidently tell you that a third of high
school boys at maximum see girls slash women as people,
and she followed up with a specific.

Speaker 4 (21:21):
A third one women as people.

Speaker 5 (21:25):
Well, maybe you're not acting like people. Huh you ever
consider that?

Speaker 4 (21:33):
I mean, these are just like who knows how reliable?

Speaker 5 (21:36):
Yeah, this is all around are So it's.

Speaker 4 (21:38):
Kind of stupid, but they're using it to this conversation.

Speaker 5 (21:42):
Sorry, go ahead, it is not it's just somebody's opinion, Like,
is this basically just somebody decided to beak off about
this and there's nothing behind it? Right, and if you okay,
the amount of teenage girls who blame everything on boys
and invest in a narrative that would consider be considered

(22:04):
bigotry if they targeted any other group of people is
far higher than the reverse. How about we start right there.
Teenage girls' attitudes towards boys have declined, and maybe this
isn't their fault because they've it's declined under an overwhelming narrative,
highly visible, highly pushed narrative, and utterly false narrative that

(22:31):
boys and men are to blame for victimizing girls. Right,
So this whole thing is like, how many girls actually
treat boys like human beings? You're gonna say one third
of boys only treat, you know, treat women as or
women and girls as human beings as people will. How
about the reverse, how many of you treat boys young

(22:55):
men as human beings rather than problems?

Speaker 4 (23:02):
Yep, problems that needs solving, right, yeah, problems. Yes. So
there's a bit more of this because they're going to
get in there. They're just sort of like setting up
the conversation.

Speaker 6 (23:12):
So I at her high school that we'll get into.

Speaker 2 (23:14):
Surely, I want to start with you, Ella, What did
you think when you saw how folks were reacting to
the Jill Philippovich tweet and what provoked you to want
to get into the mix.

Speaker 3 (23:27):
I think that when we talk about young women not
finding young men appealing, we're talking about the massive right
word shift actually that we've been with among men young
men paired with.

Speaker 4 (23:39):
So remember this Ella girl. She's she's in high school
or she's graduating, I'm not sure, but she's like very young,
and she is a but she's politically active, like very
politically active, and she is a mom Donnie like organizer,
So she was involved in organizing the campaign or helping

(24:01):
with the campaign to get Zorn Mamdani elected mayor of
New York City. So she's got a specific worldview, let's
just say, and it's a very very feminist, in fact intersectional.
So she is seeing she's basically like saying, I have
this worldview. I saw data that shows that boys are

(24:22):
moving right, this is why they're unattractive because they don't
have my politics. So I think that's like what she's
getting at. But let's let's let's let's listen.

Speaker 3 (24:32):
The pre existing dehumanization of women we already see throughout society,
including within the left. And I often see critique or
inquiry into the behavior of young men being characterized as bigotry,
which kind, yes, it is, okay.

Speaker 5 (24:55):
It is one bigotry. And the only thing that it
makes you think it isn't is a lie, a lie
that you can even see these women debunking as they speak. Right,
men create society, Men in authority creates society for men's

(25:19):
own benefit at the expense of women. This man as
milk toast as he is mentions. But men, you know,
these are the things that men aren't being benefited by
and the woman cackles and says, that's their own fault. Yes, bitch,
because men enforce sacrifice on other men, leading to worse

(25:40):
outcomes for men. Why in order to make sure women
are protected and provided for. That is not patriarchy backfiring.
That is literally the purpose of civilization. And they cackle it,
but they recognize it, and then they deflect it, apparently

(26:01):
unaware that that is the counter evidence for their own assertions.
So this woman is saying, oh, again, I can't see
that as bigotry. Well, of course it's bigotry. The only
excuse for it. It's false. You're gonna say, oh, but
it's because of patriarchy. We get to be bigoted towards boys. Well,
patriarchy as feminist frame, it is a lie. It's a lie,

(26:22):
so you have no excuse, and yes, it's bigotry.

Speaker 4 (26:26):
Mm hmm, all right.

Speaker 3 (26:30):
Cheapens the word, especially when the word bigotry should be
used to describe the appalling behavior that young men inflict
onto young women on a daily basis.

Speaker 4 (26:44):
I like you, So she's saying the word bigotry is
being when you say that women are being bigoted to
men or boys in this example, and you call it bigotry,
you're actually taking power or you're making the word less impactful.

(27:04):
So she's admitting to the negative some game, but not
because like she doesn't think it's a good thing, because
it should only be used when talking about women, even
if it's in the mildest sense. Right, if you're trolling
a woman online by saying we control your bodies, right,

(27:24):
that is bigotry, Like that is that that's where it
really belongs. So that's where it really matters. But if
you're like basically telling boys they don't matter and they
kill themselves, you can't call that bigoted because it it
makes the word mean less when it's used in defense
of boys or to criticize people who are bigoted towards boys.

(27:48):
So yeah, bigotry is the gendered term. Guys.

Speaker 3 (27:52):
I graduated high school six months ago, right at the
peak of Andrew Tate's rise. I saw my peers be
indoctrinated by Andrew Tate. Nick Fuentes.

Speaker 5 (28:06):
The substantiated what it's unsubstantiated what she's saying.

Speaker 4 (28:12):
She's just saying they got indoctrinated, like they did. You
guys know that Andrew Tate has mental powers like Professor X.
That's why he's bald, because he's a mutant with psychic
powers to make men hate women, even though Andrew Tate's
entire empire is built on appealing to women like his.

(28:32):
I mean if and and Nick Fuentes is a virgin,
like intentionally he's celibate. But these guys are the worst
enemies of women, don't you know? Okay, it doesn't even
make sense, but this is just again, all she's doing
narrative the record. It's an invocation. She says their names
to put you in a in a an emotional state

(28:55):
of fear, because you're taught to fear those names. If if,
if it weren't those guys, like if those guys exploded
and died tomorrow, she would just be saying somebody else.
She'd say Jordan Peterson, who's basically nothing like Andrew Tate.
But it doesn't matter. It's just a yeah. It'd be
Warren Ferrell, it be Paul Elin, it be Steve Bannon,

(29:17):
it be jd Vance, it be you know, fucking what's
the Indian guy that ran uh vivik Ramaswami. It doesn't matter,
it's it's just somebody you know. Mm hmmm. So anyway,
all right, Uh, that's the first. So she's you want
to you want me to see if there's after this?

Speaker 5 (29:38):
Yeah, sure. I'm just wondering where she talks about the
sexual assault statistics, because, as everybody knows, I've been watching
those like a hawk for twenty years. So i' is
that only at the beginning?

Speaker 4 (29:54):
No, no, it's no, No, The beginning was like a
little bit of a what do you call it, a
sizzle reel with a bunch.

Speaker 5 (30:00):
Oh yeah, No. I can also find the time code
as well, so I'll do that.

Speaker 4 (30:06):
Okay.

Speaker 3 (30:07):
The sexual violence that these young men think is okay
is disturbing, and the sooner that the left.

Speaker 4 (30:18):
Except no, she's just saying that they that they assert
sexual violence, because yeah, bullshit.

Speaker 5 (30:27):
Like okay, first of all, let's let's address the men's
flight to the right. No, you are running full tilt
to the left, and men are going slightly left but
a little less fast. That's not a flight to the right.

Speaker 4 (30:49):
Very moderate, they're very.

Speaker 5 (30:51):
They're like center right.

Speaker 3 (30:53):
Men.

Speaker 5 (30:53):
Young men have gone center right, and you guys have
gone radically left. So from where you're looking, men look
like they're far right, but they're actually only center right. Okay,
that's that's it, and you can't even handle that level
of disagreement. This is the other issue with all of this,
and this is this is this is the politic political issue,

(31:16):
all right. Conservative and liberal are functions. Women have turned
them into political tribes. Okay, And I know this sounds
really strange what I'm saying, but conservative is a set
of very necessary virtues and what you sacrifice for what

(31:39):
you uphold. Liberal is also a set of very necessary virtues,
what you sacrifice and what you uphold. Jordan Peterson would
echo what I'm saying, okay. And in order to have
an advanced society that can both respond to new circumstance
and retain a sense of itself, you need both. Okay.

(31:59):
You need self doubt that allows you to change how
you respond to things, and you also need loyalty to
the things that work, you know, and the things that
make you who you are. But both of these are
forms of sacrifice. Self sacrifice and doubting yourself, which you know,
postmodernism can see be seen as like an extreme element

(32:20):
of at least the way they use it now. And
then also self sacrifice in terms of duty and responsibility
to tradition. Right, These are the virtues of both, and
you need both in a kind of synergistic thing going
forward to have a society that is not stagnant and
is not imploding. Okay, so that's what you need. These
are functions. That's what I want to get across. Now.

(32:43):
I don't think that the left function or the liberal
function is in any way being done by the political
tribalists who call themselves the left. Now they just completely
abandoned it, and what they are is political tribalists, right.
And this woman is a political tribalist. She recognizes nothing

(33:03):
legitimate in the function conservative. Nothing. She thinks that politics
are a way of determining who you exclude, not who
you work with because they have a set of skills
that you don't like. People think that I'm conservative. But
the reason why I think they do and I'm not.

(33:24):
I don't have a problem with being called conservative, aside
from the fact that it's not really the function that
resonates with is because I recognize the importance of the
conservative position. I recognize the importance of what they say
and how they think, and the virtues that they espouse,
and I get called conservative because of that, even though
I also recognize the virtues of the liberal position and

(33:47):
what they sacrifice and what they espouse, right, a true
liberal position, I recognize both sides. I get called conservative
because I don't think that someone having that particular set
or even call it or identifying based on that particular
set of values and functions is a bad person. Right,

(34:09):
That is a person I want to have debates with.
I want to have discussions with that I feel is
a necessary ballast to whatever craziness that I'm going to propose. Right,
that's what I mean. It's a synergy. And she takes
that and like a woman, women in particular, is what
they this is what they do. She turns it into

(34:31):
a reason to exclude people from the conversation. There is
There is absolutely no legitimacy to someone saying, while men,
young men are center right, therefore they should be excluded
from society. M what the hell society do you think
that's going to construct? Lady, a gigantic echo chamber of
people like you whose entire political outlook is who do

(34:53):
I exclude today?

Speaker 3 (34:57):
Oh?

Speaker 4 (34:58):
Well, she is really young. I think that she's Ironically,
I think she's the one that's indoctrinated. Because the truth is,
when it comes to liberal and conservative, there's no one
on earth is all of one or the other. Yes,
everyone has everyone. Yes, everyone has a degree of openness
to new ideas and a desire to hold on to

(35:19):
or to preserve some old ideas that worked. I mean,
some people are not rational or whatever, but that's that
they don't have like it's it's got it's it's bookends.
That's what it is. It's bookends on most and everyone
has it like you, Like you can push a leftist
to the point where you will get them to be

(35:40):
conservative on an issue.

Speaker 5 (35:41):
You just have to bring up men's issues, and then
they bring exactly stereotype.

Speaker 4 (35:47):
The thing is, it's not all of one or the other.
No one's like that. It's just it's just not true.
But I think that the problem is that, like you said,
and I think it's it's true, it's that these have
turned this into a tribe instead of a set of
you know, values that have some flexibility, right, And they're

(36:09):
and they're extremely inflexible in their desire or their their
addiction to pushing for the most like what they believe
to be the best value system, because that's what they've made.
It is that they're like, we are the good people
that believe the good things. Therefore everybody who opposes us
are the bad people that believe the bad things, and
that it's that simplistic. And and this is why they

(36:32):
inevitably push their own out, because they eventually get to
a point where someone isn't good enough, and then they
immediately become bad. It's like, you know what, when men
are shifting in a reasonable sense, you know, slightly right,
they're like, well, we got to hold back on you know, immigration,
and I don't think you should be aborting every baby
up until nine months, and I don't think we should
be paying for everything, like and I don't want to

(36:54):
go to war in Ukraine or in the Middle East,
so I want to like pull back on that. And
women are like, what's wrong with you? Why are you
oppressing us? Like if they don't even it doesn't even
register that that's reasonable. They just see that as far right,
and it's it's I don't know, I think that I
think women have a lot of them have drank the
kool aid, especially childless or single moms, but especially the

(37:19):
childless women. I just saw like and it's not in
this video, but there was a state a data point
that came out and showed that it was I think
it was on based camp with Malcolm and Simone, and
they saw that like single women, like young single women
were like the biggest pushers of these sort of like socialists,

(37:40):
you know, politicians, because they don't they don't they're not
invested in the future. They don't they see themselves as
deserving of these things like whatever the free stuff is
and there they don't know what like the long term,
you know, there's nothing to draw from in terms of
like wisdom because they don't respect anybody else, especially people
like men who might like know where this is going

(38:01):
or maybe are old enough to have some experience and say,
well this isn't a good idea so then but yeah,
so I think that's like just like showing where where
I think this comes from.

Speaker 5 (38:12):
But it's taking it's well, I mean, even if there's flexibility,
because some people tend to be orientated to one versus
the other, but they're more like functions, you know, and
a set of virtues and a set of functions, and
women like this. And it's mostly women because even even
liberal men. But even men on the left are more

(38:33):
likely to be less censorious than women on the left.

Speaker 4 (38:36):
Yeah, but are more there's still men, they're they're on
some level.

Speaker 5 (38:40):
Yeah, they still resonate with this kind of honorable opponent
kind of thing that men do, and and they can
still wreckon like to to agree. They can still recognize
the right to speak. Now, everybody's too censorious in this
day and age, but regardless, it still is very much
a male versus female thing. Not be censorious to your

(39:01):
opponent is more of a masculine virtue. And it's because
men embrace the risk of uncertainty and not knowing everything.
And that's the thing, Like, this political tribalism is driven
by deep insecurity and deep self hatred in my opinion,
because they want to reject and it's almost like they're

(39:24):
rejecting parts of themselves and this internal, constant process of rejecting,
throwing parts of themselves they don't like on others and
then rejecting them. And it's extremely dangerous. This political tribalism
is extremely dangerous. And that's what she's showing. So right
off the bat, she is morally bankrupt because she's instead

(39:46):
of showing tolerance to other viewpoints. She's showing abject intolerance
and political tribalism, and once you get too much of
that in your political system, it breaks down and then
everything else is a slow slide to violence.

Speaker 4 (40:04):
Yeah, okay, well yeah, yeah, she But the thing is
I think that I, like, I have some well I'll
just say this, she's eighteen years old. I think that
she's getting like gassed up by like adults around her,
I don't know, doing this of her own choice. So
I think that there's like she is a a she's
being used by people, people like the people who host

(40:27):
this show, especially the woman here, Brianna Gray. So but yeah,
I mean like her whole Like I I don't know
if I want to call it pity, but I can
tell that this eighteen year old girl is being used
and she's like spitting out all the talking points and
she doesn't really know what the counter examples are, and
it's like a regurgitation of her programming and that's all

(40:49):
we're getting from her. So I look at her like
a vehicle, a vehicle for this narrative, the threat narrative
around men.

Speaker 3 (40:57):
So yeah, anyway that this is like a public health
issue the sooner that we can start to address it.

Speaker 5 (41:05):
Public health issue.

Speaker 4 (41:06):
Interesting, Yeah, and she wants to address it. It's a
public health issue. This misogyny.

Speaker 5 (41:11):
Misogyny is a public health issue. And misogyny is men
not having the same political opinion as me. Okay, okay,
all right. This is massive political tribalism, and this individual
you are looking at the face of the destruction of

(41:32):
Western civilization.

Speaker 4 (41:34):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (41:36):
Literally, this vapid puppet votes, and she votes political tribalism,
and she probably doesn't eat. She probably thinks she's voting
for good things because people should be nice to each other,
and being nice means agreeing with me. Oh good lord.

Speaker 4 (42:00):
Yeah, oh all right, let's get Brianna Gray's reaction.

Speaker 2 (42:04):
I have to confess that for me, the knowledge of
Andrew Tate and Nick Fuintes and their influence on younger
people in particular, it's all very anthropological, something that I'm
reading about third hand on the internet.

Speaker 6 (42:17):
What help us understand?

Speaker 4 (42:19):
She yeah, she doesn't watch she doesn't have any anthropological
That's how she said it.

Speaker 5 (42:24):
Yeah, the silver back Andrew Tate.

Speaker 2 (42:30):
Yeah, all right, I would like to have your peers
in a in a sort of normalized way genuinely consuming
this kind of content.

Speaker 6 (42:40):
I mean, how do you know? How are they expressing themselves?
What's it like?

Speaker 4 (42:45):
So she's asking her like, well, what's the evidence, like
how how do you know this is like how it's affecting?
And then she's going to respond to that.

Speaker 3 (42:53):
Of course from like outside of class discussion centered around
feminism on gender studies. I kind you can see this
behavior manifest itself through casual conversations locker room talk.

Speaker 5 (43:10):
Whoa, whoa, whoa wah what wa flow down, missy. So
you're engaging a lot of young men in casual conversations
about feminism and the genders, and you're you're you're, you're
slipping into the locker rooms with the young men and
listening to them have these talks. I mean axed a doubt.

Speaker 4 (43:28):
No, I think that again. I think she's been. She's
just it's buzzwords. Locker room talk is a buzzword term.
She's not physically in the locker room. She's overhearing conversations
or she's like like gaslighting herself into thinking conversations are
taking place at aren't But like this what I'm like, Look,

(43:50):
imagine you're an eighteen year old girl. I was in
high school when I was eighteen, I graduated, and I
never had a bunch of like adults come around me
tell me how awesome I was and then push me
into like political activism, and probably she gets money or grants.
She she got like a massive social media presence, Like

(44:12):
it goes she has like if you gas somebody up
that's that young, don't you think you could go to
their head immediately and turn them into like when they
think that they're just like the smartest, the brightest, the
best person, because everyone's telling them that, and you have
like this big following. Like they call her hot girl

(44:36):
for mom Zoran. That's like that that's what they call her. Okay,
she's not even mid but that's what they call her.
So it goes right to their heads. And I think
that she is going to like get a status that
is unearned. And then when she is put in front

(44:57):
of cameras or sat down on a podcast. This one
has about two hundred thousand subscribers, so not small, and
they're like tell us what you think, Like they're like
they're just like eagerly listening to what this eighteen year
old girl has to say about like the absolute state
of the entire country. She's going to like pry to
say something satisfying, and yeah, maybe some bullshit words are

(45:20):
gonna come out. But what I'm saying is this person
is being used. Now. I'm not saying she's a victim,
but I'm telling you we have to look at her
as an eighteen year old girl that's been put in
this position. I'm not saying that it's it's not not
calling her a victim, but I'm saying that the adults
are the problem because you're creating people like this.

Speaker 5 (45:41):
Okay, okay, fair enough, But she's eighteen. Now she gets
to deal with people like me. Because I'm going to
have opinions.

Speaker 4 (45:49):
Again, I'm not saying that we shouldn't look at I'm
not saying that we shouldn't treat her like an adult,
because she is legally an adult. I'm not saying that.
I'm saying her ideas are not hers. That's her ideas
are not her own. She's not like if you made,
if you like, put held her feet to the fire
and you debated her, she would fall apart like a

(46:11):
Jenga tower. Okay, because no, seriously, because she doesn't agree.
She doesn't have arguments. She doesn't even rationalize them. She
just says locker room talk, misogyny, sexism, Nick Fuentes and
your tail like checking on. That's like, that's what she
just She's just saying what she's supposed to say, and
they're giving her this platform. You see what I'm saying.

Speaker 5 (46:31):
This is what I said at the Calgary Expo when
I spoke to the women at the because this is
what I saw. It was a repetition of the same
talking point. It's just donning the bound ball gown of
victimhood and saw sharing or how appropriate she has a
ballground in the background. But yeah, I just saw shaning
around in the ball gown of curtain. No, I think

(46:52):
it's it's it's got some uh completing So I don't
think that's a curtain. Well maybe it is, who knows.

Speaker 4 (47:00):
All Right, all of this is what I'm saying, is
that we're not arguing with her, We're arguing with what
like this this thing that informed her, this thing that
told her what to say. Okay, okay, so anyway, so
we move on.

Speaker 3 (47:13):
Yeah, men treat their girlfriends the way they talk about
them behind their backs, the way that young men socialize
with each other. It's not only something that is like
very political and politically focused for these young men, it's
also now social they're being socialized to not see.

Speaker 5 (47:34):
Okay, why how is this different than it's ever been? Like,
feminism has accused men of our men and boys of
having masculine ideology for eternity? So what or since since
I don't know, probably the eighties that when they developed
that particular term. So how's it different? I mean, you
have always said that men are being inoculated in patriarchy. Specifically,

(47:57):
feminism has said that masculine eyes ideology is responsible for
men using rape and beatings to uphold patriarchy.

Speaker 6 (48:06):
And they've been.

Speaker 5 (48:07):
Saying this since the seventies at least. So how is
this different? How is this suddenly something that's happening when
it's always been happening. I mean, this is the thing
I have even notice that, like feminists every freaking five years,
this thing that's always been happening is happening.

Speaker 4 (48:27):
Okay, Well they have to fear monger around it, right yeah, yeah, yeah,
So they have to make it look like it's an
impending doom, and when it doesn't result in doom, they
just they just sort of bring it back later and
they said, no, no, this time, it's happening for real.

Speaker 5 (48:44):
Like yeah, but here, like everything that Nick Twenties and
Andrew Tate say does actually does not even isn't even
in the same ballpark of what spart yeah, of what
feminists say that men teach each other in patriarchy. It's yeah,

(49:06):
but here's the thing, like the standard that feminists have
put on masculine ideology and how patriarchy allegedly socializes men,
except that it's like, and I actually talked to the
guy who's doing a criminology PhD last night and he said,
it's not just like this socialization that feminists say is

(49:27):
applied to men isn't just a one hundred percent penetration
across cultural, ethnic, religious, national racial boundaries. It is a
one hundred percent penetration across the what is it, the
genre or the genus mammalia, Like it's cross species. So

(49:47):
this cultural socialization that feminists allege is being applied to
men is cross species. It's not just men, it's across
as species lines. Didn't know that you just there, you
shared a culture with ducks, guys, You shared masculine ideology
with ducks. Did you know that? That's why it's so absurd.

(50:10):
But anyway, my overall point is that the what feminists
say patriarchy teaches men and is conveying to men through
this socialization that crosses species lines somehow, is that rape
and beatings is how you keep them women's under control.

(50:31):
So that's that's where we're that's where the that's the
bar for what feminism says is being taught to men.
Now I have I haven't. I haven't listened to all
of what Andrew Tait has said or Nick fwenty's, but
I'm pretty sure if this is the bar for what
feminism says patriarchy teaches men, they're they're not anywhere near

(50:53):
it in terms of they're overt messaging. Okay, not no,
So wouldn't that be an improvement?

Speaker 4 (51:07):
All right, So absolute cinema. So all right, let's let's
play some more because and then we're gonna move on
to the to an argument that they have with the man.

Speaker 3 (51:17):
We focused for these young men, it's also now social
They're being socialized to not see young women as as people.
They're being socialized to dehumanize them, to see them as
arm candy as hoes, as thoughts, as something you mean.

Speaker 5 (51:37):
Basically what feminism accused Patrio Karkiyov since the seventies, and worse, like,
all of these things are not actually dehumanizing because arm
candy is a human.

Speaker 4 (51:48):
Armed candy, arm candy.

Speaker 5 (51:51):
Arm candy is arm candy.

Speaker 4 (51:53):
That's what she's saying. Arm candy. You know when you
have a one on your arm?

Speaker 5 (51:56):
Yeah, I know, but that's still a human being unless.

Speaker 4 (51:59):
You're talking sure of course, no, no, of course.

Speaker 5 (52:01):
An extremely extremely colorful parrot, you know, that could be
considered arm.

Speaker 4 (52:08):
There's a question though, Like they have girlfriends, so like
what those girlfriends do they hate being seen as arm candy?
Like if like if they if they say, oh they
see us as hose and thoughts, Well, I don't know,
are they Are they hose and thoughts? Like I thought
that that was something we're supposed to celebrate now yeah,

(52:30):
I mean, like what if they're doing I mean I
really don't know the context, but it sounds like you
are attacking hose Like we're not. We don't do slut
shaming in this house. I'm just saying, though, like you
know what, like, look, I did substitute teaching, and I'm

(52:51):
telling you, like, girls as young as twelve were sexually
active and they were looking at multiple boys all the time,
and they were on TikTok and snapchat and stuff, and
I had to take their phones away from them, and
so like, if you're eighteen, like, I'm sorry, but I
bet that the dynamic is very different. So what you're

(53:14):
what I'm guessing that you're saying is that women are
behaving however they behave, And I don't have an opinion
on that, but men who acknowledge the reality of the
way women are behaving are the problems. So if a
woman is being promiscuous and a man is saying, I'm
not into that, I think she's a thought. That's the
problem is is that he thinks that, not that she's

(53:35):
doing that.

Speaker 5 (53:37):
Okay, And that actually would speak to the idea that
what's really the problem is men standing in judgment of women. Yeah,
that's the real problem is that I.

Speaker 4 (53:48):
Would a boy have any cause to call someone something
without like, for no reason at all if he's wrong,
unless it's just to fuck with her like they're friends
or whatever. Yeah, well, I mean maybe it's not hate.

Speaker 5 (54:02):
Yeah, it's just it's just general kid bullying, which is
women do it. Our girls do it, and they do
a lot of it, and when they do it, it's
a lot more devastating. But we don't want to discuss that, right,
that's not we can't talk about that. So we're just
looking at this. And you're right that she these went
a lot of these girls are probably behaving in that way.

(54:24):
They're behaving like they want to be arm candy and
like they want to be thoughts and whores. And then
the boys are identifying the behavior. But boys cannot stand
in judgment of girls. That's misogyny. If boys have an
opinion on girl's behavior, that's misogyny. But of course girls
are free to have even ridiculously unsupported, bigoted opinions on

(54:47):
boys behavior or that they aren't even actually doing. Because
I'm pretty sure is this where she starts talking about
the sexual violence, because I really want to get into that,
because that I have actual statistics for everything else that
we're talking about is just vague feelies.

Speaker 4 (55:02):
That's not when that's not when she talks about that.
I think it's a little bit later. Okay, I thought
you were gonna look it up. But here here's the
Ryan Grimm, and.

Speaker 1 (55:15):
Maybe because he's here to understand, Like if you said something,
if you saw Ben Shapiro say something similar about Muslims,
you would not say, Oh, he's just asking what structural
social forces are at work that have produced the problems that.

Speaker 4 (55:32):
So what he's trying to do is he's playing Devil's
advocate poorly. But he's basically like the way you guys
are talking about because remember these are all progressives this
whole panel. Okay, So he's saying the way you guys
are talking about men sounds like the way someone like

(55:53):
Ben Shapiro is a conservative Jew, talks about Muslims. Okay. Now,
of course I think that this woman, this girl, this
teenager is Muslim, which is why she's like a pro
Mamdani person. So he's trying to frame it in a
way that she will be able to see it, right, like, oh,
look the way that you, the way that islamophobes talk

(56:15):
about you, is how you're talking about men. That's what
he's doing.

Speaker 5 (56:18):
Okay.

Speaker 4 (56:19):
So I'm just letting you know what the context is
and and let's see if it. Let's see if this works,
this tactic.

Speaker 1 (56:25):
He's identifying with Muslims in this post, you'd be like, no,
he's being a bigot. If Matt Walsh was saying it
about black people or about immigrants, you wouldn't be like, well,
Matt Walsh just wants, you know, to us to look
at just the social constructs of our race relations here
in the United States so that we can like, you know,

(56:47):
improve that I'm find policy solutions. And then he really
actually is, you know, has the best interests of this
group that he is maligning at heart. Nobody would think that.
And so I'm now a place where I see Democrats
talking about men in general and young men in particular,
and I think of them as like Ben Shapiro towards Muslims,

(57:10):
like That's that's where I am at this point.

Speaker 4 (57:13):
Look at look at Look at Brionna Gray looking really like,
I can't believe you're doing this men as victims of bigotry,
Like you're trying to claim that I could be bigoted
to men whenever you're trying to do.

Speaker 5 (57:30):
Yes, We'll never be able to address this problem until
we get rid of the narrative that men are uniquely
to blame for society and creating society for their own benefit.
We're never going to address this problem.

Speaker 4 (57:45):
For a child. But go ahead. I'm sorry.

Speaker 5 (57:47):
I did find the time codes from when she discusses
sexual assault. Why don't we go through your time codes
and we'll get into that because I know that I
will probably go at length debunking all of the nonsense
that she'spews.

Speaker 4 (58:00):
Yeah, all right. Richard Beard gives us five dollars and says,
could we please have the Raven Moondragon response to this child? Okay,
he's he's just hooked on that character. I just okay,
whatever anyway, and she's laughing.

Speaker 1 (58:19):
That like a lot of people are feeling that, and
it's and it's a problem. I think everything else said
is correct, that the right wing takeover of the manisphere,
the right wing socialization.

Speaker 4 (58:33):
It's not a right wing take Well look yeah, I know, Alison,
it's just men saying that's enough. This is the thing. Literally,
it's just men walking off the plantation.

Speaker 6 (58:46):
Yeah, it's not even that.

Speaker 5 (58:48):
Can I just can I just get this out before
it escapes my brain. They've literally said the problem is men,
Like that's literally what they've said on on this this
So the political tribal aside, the problem is men. Masculinity
is the problem. And then when men leave and are like, well,
I'm tired of being seen as the problem, they say,

(59:11):
that's our opponents and how dare you? Did you you
did that? Like literally, if a man just says, you know,
I think I'm okay and I want to exist, you
are part of the manosphere. You are part of the
far right, and you are part of the problem. And
you if you, if you, if you just exist as
a man, you're part of the problem. But if you're

(59:32):
quizzling about it, if you constantly submit to feminism, then
you can briefly feel moments of not being the problem.
But like literally, they declare men the problem, and then
they're surprised, Well, where do the men go? Why are
they over there? And it's not even that the men
are on the right, they're just not where they are. Yeah,

(59:56):
we've came men constantly. Why did they move over there
where we can't?

Speaker 4 (01:00:01):
Like, yeah, that's why that's why I don't call it
the right. I called the non left. It's the non
the these people. But I think that, like, yeah, they
basically said we don't need you, you're useless. And they
did this until men said, Okay, we're gonna leave and
they were like, wait, you're not supposed to do that. So,
like they didn't think that men were just going to

(01:00:22):
just leave, which is what I mean by like leaving
the plantation. Like they didn't think they were just going
to stop cow towing, stop obeying, stop uh self flagellating.
They they didn't think that was gonna happen. They didn't
even They just took it for granted to that degree,
while also claiming they were ready to that men would

(01:00:44):
do this at at like they were gonna be turn
on them and oppress them and kill them and rape
them and you know, force them into breeding houses or
whatever sick fantasies they have. And when men said basically
what Carl said to Jess Phillips, I wouldn't even rape
you and then left, they're all butt hurt now. So yeah, anyway,

(01:01:09):
but look important to note that this is a political podcast,
so they are talking in a political framework, which is
probably part of the reason why they can't solve this problem. Yeah,
because they're like the entire the entire beast that they
live in from the ground up is anti male. It's

(01:01:30):
just by nature. And this guy he hasn't realized it yet,
but he's like, we have to fix this, not because
of men's for men's sake, not because men are committing suicide,
not because nobody's getting married, but because I want the
men voting too for us. So how do I get
them voting for us? Which is the same mistake. You
just can't get out of it. You are trapped. You're

(01:01:52):
stuck because you can't solve the problem unless you fundamentally
alter like the where you guys are at with.

Speaker 1 (01:02:00):
Stuff causing huge problems for them and for their potential
now like unlikely partners and they're going to be miserable too.
Like I think it's this, it's all bad. But then
the question is what do you do about it? And
to figure out what you do about it, you also
have to look at what happened over the last decade

(01:02:22):
or so. You know this this is funny.

Speaker 5 (01:02:24):
He's literally in the party of we hate with men,
Like literally in the party we hate men. He's like,
this is a problem that you hate men, And they're like, Nope,
this is the solution. Yeah, what are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:02:37):
I want to this is this is where it gets
good because uh, he's trying to.

Speaker 5 (01:02:43):
I said, face on that.

Speaker 4 (01:02:46):
Yeah, look look at them both. I sense the fear
in this guy. He's like a chicken trying to make
a deal with Coyotes's guys or foxes. Okay, check it out.
I know you're hungry, but hear me out. Guys, it's

(01:03:10):
pretty good once you get used to it. No, but
all right, let's let's listen to this.

Speaker 5 (01:03:15):
Maybe you could take a thigh instead of the entire
entire me.

Speaker 4 (01:03:18):
Yeah, yeah, right, how about just a foot?

Speaker 1 (01:03:24):
You know, engineered an organized campaign on the part of
the right to organize, to organize men into these reactionary
spaces and to take over spaces that were a political sports, gambling, supplements, weight.

Speaker 4 (01:03:41):
They didn't take over this what that? Yeah, it's funny
too because they think that, well, they can't believe that
they could have caused this, So it must be that
our opponents did something, and the opponents literally did nothing.
They still they're they're doing the same thing they've always done,
and it just so happens that men are like, well,

(01:04:02):
at least these people don't hate us. We can we
can stand in a room with them. We don't even
like them very much, but we don't hate them either.
And they're like, why don't you hate those people? You
must be one of them. Yeah, yeah, But.

Speaker 5 (01:04:14):
Literally, these are just things that interest men. And because
this is the party of I hate men, things that
interest men are potential vectors of evil into the world.
Look at the women.

Speaker 4 (01:04:27):
Just good lord, they're happy with this.

Speaker 5 (01:04:31):
There's a lot of grinding us teeth going on in
this pen.

Speaker 1 (01:04:35):
How dare and politicize them to the right, Like, so
they effectively did that.

Speaker 5 (01:04:42):
And then no, no, no, okay, but you got the
entire thing wrong. Dude. You're saying, oh, the right took
over supplements. No, no, the right did not take over supplements.
What happened is, for whatever reason, the left, the political
tribal is how call them, the political tribalists, have embraced

(01:05:02):
this narrative that human beings are actually the cattle of
the government. For whatever reason. Women like that narrative a lot,
possibly because they're more interested in controlling their neighbors than
being free. Right, And one of the things that the
government doesn't like is supplements, is people actually keeping themselves

(01:05:25):
healthy in ways that they can't make money off of.
I mean, that's my theory. But also, like all of
these other things were just men things that men liked,
and because they were things that men liked, the Party
of Men are the problem that I Hate Men problem.
A party basically said these things are wrong and completely

(01:05:47):
and like right didn't take those over, you evicted them.
This is what's freaking hilarious. It's like, this is like
a like a I don't know, a train full of
lunatics and they keep just unhitching a car and then
it rolls away from them, and they're like, why is
the right taking that? It's like, yeah, you just got

(01:06:11):
rid of it. You're just throwing these things out. You're
refusing to acknowledge that they're legitimate because men like them,
and the end, because they're no longer acceptable to you
and you've pushed them out. Now you call them the right.
That's the entirety of their political behavior is something something
men like. So they they're like, no, this is unacceptable

(01:06:33):
because men like it, so we have to either control
it or destroy it or do something shame it. And
it's not part of us, right because we're the I
Hate Men party, So you push it out and then
it's outside of you and you call it the right.
M hm, oh yeah, you guys, just like why is

(01:06:55):
this happening.

Speaker 1 (01:06:58):
Because you.

Speaker 4 (01:07:00):
Or he's trying to Like, I think that he's doing
it because he wants men in in under this umbrella,
you know, voting for them because they want to be effective.
But I also think that because look, he's got a
book in the background that's called The Squad. It's like
literally the AOC book. So he's obviously like a fan
of that. But I think he's also trying to be

(01:07:23):
pragmatic in saying, look, we need men on our side.
And maybe if I frame this as the writer taking
our men away, how do we get them back, maybe
I'll get like somewhere with that. But of course the
women are like, why are they leaving us? They're not
supposed to do that. They must be bad.

Speaker 5 (01:07:41):
You don't have to get them back. They have to
come back.

Speaker 4 (01:07:44):
So they have to come back, because that would make
otherwise they're bad people.

Speaker 5 (01:07:48):
Yeah, we need to come back so we can kick
them out again. Yeah, and then and then when they can,
when we kick them out, we'll call them far right.
This is this is the part. This is the logic
of the Party of single Women. They kicked out men,
and because they kicked out men, men are now on
the right, yep, okay.

Speaker 1 (01:08:11):
Okay, trying to politicize them and pull them in their direction. Well,
they had an entire political movement that you may be
familiar with that was organized around all of us coming
together and making the world a better place. And young
men were a central part of the Bernie Sanders campaign

(01:08:31):
in twenty fifteen and twenty sixteen, and Democrats decided very explicitly, strategically,
and deliberately to make the fact of young men's support
for Bernie Sanders a problem for Bernie Sanders.

Speaker 5 (01:08:48):
I remember coloring this. Yeah, yeah, this is pretty much it.
This is ground zero for this the Party of I
Hate men. Yeah, kicking men out, that kicking actual like
I know that socialism is it doesn't work, It profoundly
doesn't work. But you could consider it something like some

(01:09:11):
kind of principle. And they kicked them out because those
men were holding to a principle instead of just realizing
that they were there to submit to women.

Speaker 4 (01:09:24):
Yeah, all right, let me see if I can find
where they start arguing a little bit more. Let's see. So, yeah,
because he goes into like Bernie Sanders and then like
Hillary Clinton. I don't really care about that stuff. Let's see,
don't see. Look at how angry these toxic men. I'm

(01:09:47):
reading some of the transcript. Then in twenty twenty, it's
still up for grabs, and Joe Rogan, even with Barry
White's on his podcast, says he's gonna vote for Bernie
Sanders because of all the things that Sanders says he's
gonna do. Yeah, Joe Rogan did say that, oh wow,
build now an actual working class coalition and drive Trump

(01:10:08):
out of the White House and actually deliver an agenda
that works for everybody. Blah blah blah blah blah. So
now Democrats are like, what happened to young men? Okay,
so fifteen oh six, Well.

Speaker 5 (01:10:19):
Didn't they say something about Joe Rogan being we need
the left Joe Rogan? It was like, yeah, he was
theft left.

Speaker 4 (01:10:27):
Rogan was the Joe Rogan of the left. Well, he's
always been kind of a centrist, like because he's like
pro guns and yet and if he has a good
interview with someone, he'll he'll just like, you know, advocate
for them to be president. But yeah, he's like not
easy to pin down in terms of what he believes.
But he was the closest thing to that, yes, and

(01:10:48):
they excluded him.

Speaker 5 (01:10:49):
Yeah, and then and then they pushed him out, and
then they said he's on the right. You see what
I'm saying.

Speaker 4 (01:10:54):
Yeah, I know. Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:10:56):
Basically, all the right and the left is is our
Are they part of the tribe and are they not?
That's it. And they're constantly pushing people out of the tribe.
So it looks like the right is consuming the world
to them, but it really is just a function of
them constantly pushing people out of the tribe. This is, honestly,

(01:11:16):
this is what happens when unchecked femininity hits politics. Yeah,
for surely on account about nobody feminine politics.

Speaker 7 (01:11:28):
Okay against Democrats And so now Democrats are like, what
what happened to young men?

Speaker 1 (01:11:38):
Why don't why don't they like us? So both things happened.
There was a push and a pull, and I can't
do anything about I can't. The right wing is going
to do what the right wing is going to do.

Speaker 5 (01:11:50):
Yeah, the right wing isn't actually as male focused as
you think it is. But regardless, I mean, honestly, if
if you push out everyone who every thing that men like,
anyone who has a relationship with a man, because now
if you're married to a man or even in a
long term relationship, you are a far right. Marriage is

(01:12:10):
far right. Maybe if you even have sex with the
man at this point, you're far right right. So if
you if you push out everything that even you know
vaguely touches or has a whiff of the man, then yeah,
it's again, the right is not pushing. The right is
not pulling these you are pushing them out. M hmm, okay,

(01:12:37):
all right.

Speaker 1 (01:12:38):
We can counter their ideas, we can argue with them.
We can try to present and model like better, better
behavior and model model of life that that will be
more fulfilling rooted around kind of community and dignity and justice.

Speaker 4 (01:12:57):
But that's all I notice. But like, no man me
of things that men want, like family and children, because
he can't say that. He can't say that because if
he says that, then he sounds far right, and he's
saying it around these women who are like, well are
you what are you saying? Women are just vehicles for babies?
So he has to say things like community and uh

(01:13:18):
on justice, Yeah, yeah, justice, that's right.

Speaker 1 (01:13:21):
All we can do. But on the democratic side, what
you can do is stop the reflexive bigotry towards towards men.
It's not making fun of the idea that it's okay, Okay,
they can't.

Speaker 4 (01:13:37):
Dude, you're about to respond, Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:13:40):
Okay, the foxes are going to explain to the chicken
why they can't stop eating chickens.

Speaker 4 (01:13:47):
Yes, talk about it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:48):
Half of the country in that.

Speaker 3 (01:13:50):
Way, idea, because I, like, I think you're referring. You
are essentially implying that high school boys or protected class,
and I cannot, under any regard see them in that
way because I and my peers have faced an intense
amount of sexual harassment, sexual violence. Okay, this subgroup of people, and.

Speaker 4 (01:14:17):
Yeah, do you want me to let us talk to
more before you jump in on that. I don't think
he's going to use any stats. He's just gonna say
it happened like she's just a certain thing.

Speaker 8 (01:14:27):
Oh god, I'm gonna telling Okay, it's to imply that
calling this group out, this group of young men out for.

Speaker 3 (01:14:41):
Their bigotry is in itself.

Speaker 5 (01:14:43):
But she's really going for the bug ride filter.

Speaker 3 (01:14:45):
Isn't she a little reprehensible to me?

Speaker 5 (01:14:48):
Okay, so no, you are full of shit. Of course,
nobody talks about these stats but millennial women, which I
think you are one of, or actually no, said yeah,
this is probably worse for Generation Z. But millennial women

(01:15:10):
and generational Z are two to three times more likely
to use weapons to rape than the men of their
generation or any previous generation. And I use that particular
stat because people are like, well, all the you know
in coercion and blah blah blah. Okay, well it's pretty
black and white once you draw a weapon on someone

(01:15:31):
and force them to have sex with you, and that's
what your generation of women is doing at phenomenal rates.
I don't know when we're going to start to give
a shit about it. When the number of women that
use weapons to rape is like twenty five percent of
all women thirty five forty five, ninety five, when do
we start to care Anyway, The trajectory is upward, so no,

(01:15:56):
you are not going to have the right to condemn
boys for something you girls are doing more of. Right,
And then the other thing that's really horrifying is that
attitudes towards male victims of sexual assault, particularly by women,
are getting worse in her demographic. So not only is

(01:16:20):
she more likely to rape someone at knife point than
a boy, a young man of the same age, she's
more likely to laugh about it and think he deserved
it than previous generations of women. So as this generation
gets worse, women in this generation get more sexually predatory,

(01:16:43):
more sexually exploitative, they excuse their behavior even more, and
feminism enables all of it by pretending that the real
problem is men doing this to women. Meanwhile, the rates
of women raping men are skyrocketing. It is this is

(01:17:08):
this is this is reprice she talks about. Oh, you know,
talking about the bigotry towards men is reprehensible when they
when they're the ones. This is reprehensible because it is
an aspect of bigotry towards young men who can constantly
insist they are the ones doing the majority of the
raping when we can't at the very the most honest thing,

(01:17:29):
and actually honestly, this isn't. I mean, if you want
to be really lily literally livered and cowardly about it,
we could say we don't know, but we certainly can't
say what she's saying, which is that young men deserve
a label of sexually being sexually violent predators. And because
there is a minority of young men who engage in

(01:17:50):
this behavior, which is smaller than the minority of young
men or young women who engage in this behavior, but
because they exist, all young men deserve to be subject
to crass bigotry that we wouldn't tolerate against any other
group of people. What she is saying, and yes, I
know other people are putting the words in her mouth,

(01:18:13):
but she there. The mouth that they're coming out of
is hers. What she is saying is morally bankrupt. Everything
she says is morally bankrupt. This entire landscape, this entire
political side. This the Party of single Women, the Party
of I Hate men, the Party of we Blame men,

(01:18:34):
or the Party of Men have constructed society for their
own benefit at the expensive women, and the tools that
they use to do so was rape and beatings. That
party absolute moral degeneracy. I don't degenerasy might be the
wrong world. Absolute moral catastrophe. These people represent absolute moral

(01:18:56):
catastrophelute moral catastrophe for our entire freaking culture. That they
are allowed to continue to assert this vicious nonsense against
half the human race. And then and uh shock, that's
the half that's actually keeping them in light and heating
and internet.

Speaker 4 (01:19:22):
Yeah, so she said, calling calling a group waituh, calling
a group of young men out for their bigotry is
in itself that calling that bigotry. So when she says,
when you call me out as a bigot, you're being
like because I'm calling men bigots, that's actually reprehensible. So

(01:19:47):
that's what she said before I paused it.

Speaker 1 (01:19:49):
Why not why not call out the behavior like? There
is no other group in which you would call out
a group for the behavior of some like we have. Yeah, yes,
good luck building.

Speaker 3 (01:20:04):
A it's not but.

Speaker 4 (01:20:09):
You can have it. Like you get you guys are done.
You're not fixing this. You're not fixing I'm sorry. You know,
you're not Ryan Grim, You're You're cooked. Bro, You're not
fixing this. These women will never allow it.

Speaker 3 (01:20:22):
We have built a coalition based on expressing. You know.

Speaker 5 (01:20:27):
But there is a problem with let's let's okay, stop
this for a second. There is a problem with the
not left. And the problem with the not left is
they don't like the effect of this crap, but they
aren't ready yet to embrace the solution, which is to
blame the ever living fuck out of women.

Speaker 4 (01:20:47):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:20:48):
Sure, I blame you for the ship coming out of
your mouth, lady, I blame you for increasing the problem.
I blame you for perpetuating a hateful, bigoted narrative about men,
and you deserve to be blamed for it, and women
like you deserve to be blamed for that and for

(01:21:11):
the effects of that. You are contributing to this monstrosity. Okay,
let's let's brush off. Sorry, this is really raising my
blood pressure.

Speaker 4 (01:21:25):
Yeah, it's It was annoying me too.

Speaker 5 (01:21:27):
I've got a freaking migraine.

Speaker 2 (01:21:29):
Now, a broad phenomenon here that all white people might
not participate in.

Speaker 5 (01:21:33):
Okay, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait wit, just did
we just jump to white people?

Speaker 4 (01:21:38):
She's using it as an example to say, to talk about,
to compare, because look, Allison, the truth is she's a
black woman. So she's got a cash in on two things. Right,
she has a cash in on being a woman and
I'm being black. That's how this works. This is this
is what this is her hand she's got, she's got
two pair, she's gonna play them. Okay, Okay, let's go backward.

(01:21:59):
It can't run from this, because that's what these people do.
If she was gay a kind. So what I'm saying
is she's going to use this, but it is to
sort of pivot back to the male female thing. We
have to let this play out.

Speaker 5 (01:22:13):
Okay, but for some reason, mister sec I one percent
understand what you're saying, Brian, and I just want everybody
to notice how she's using this to buttress. Why not
just talk about the male female thing. No, she pivots
to white and black right, because it's buttressing the inability

(01:22:33):
to really argue the male and female thing. I just
wanted you to go back a little bit because I
want before she begans I did.

Speaker 4 (01:22:39):
I went back a little bit.

Speaker 5 (01:22:40):
Yeah, I want to. I want everybody to watch what
these people look like.

Speaker 4 (01:22:46):
Okay, let me just go right here.

Speaker 2 (01:22:49):
It's not every single white person, but we're talking about it.

Speaker 5 (01:22:52):
No, you did move forward a little bit, So go
back another thirty seconds about one.

Speaker 2 (01:22:58):
Or ten in context, it's the one pops up and says, well,
it's still jump.

Speaker 4 (01:23:03):
This is this is before the because it's later. Just
let it. Just let it play.

Speaker 6 (01:23:11):
Derailing tactic.

Speaker 4 (01:23:13):
Everything she's saying, it's a direct. It's a derailing tactic
to bring up railing, to bring up men. And she's
compared she's using the not all white people thing as
a proxy or another example of how saying what about
the men is derailing.

Speaker 5 (01:23:31):
No, but what I want you to do, if you're
okay with this is I want you to go back
to when he was talking because I want to see,
like when he was speaking about this, watch their watch
their reactions.

Speaker 4 (01:23:42):
All right, but it's not.

Speaker 3 (01:23:46):
But we have built a coalition based on expressing, you know,
like calling out the behavior of white people, of of men,
based on their implicit bias, based on structure.

Speaker 5 (01:24:01):
You don't have implicit bias. Men do not have implicit
women have implicit bias.

Speaker 6 (01:24:09):
Yes, this is just an all right lie.

Speaker 5 (01:24:13):
And look at her grinning up. There some serious dupers.

Speaker 4 (01:24:17):
To like going on working. It's working, that's what she's saying.

Speaker 3 (01:24:21):
Successful, it's just what.

Speaker 6 (01:24:25):
Yeah, let's well, well, right, I think Ella is right.
I think that part of what caused me to break.

Speaker 5 (01:24:30):
Wait wait, so it's working all right, men are leaving,
but it's working. So what is making men leave the point?
Because that's what's working here, lady, Well, we're here to
talk about why men are leaving the Democratic Party. And
he's like, well, because you're hateful towards men. And she's like,
but We've built plenty of coalitions with men engaging in

(01:24:52):
hatred towards men, and but why are men leaving then?

Speaker 4 (01:24:57):
Like, yeah, well that's the thing. To her, The coalition
is just about like maintaining purity. Yeah, and the purity
which is a never ending journey, by the way. And
so when she sees that that her coalition is calling
men and white people out or whatever, you know, all
of the groups that you're supposed to call out. I

(01:25:19):
guess she sees that it's working, even though the obvious
consequence of that is that they're losing people.

Speaker 5 (01:25:25):
It's an ending search for coziness, like ideological craziness. That's
what this is. Okay.

Speaker 4 (01:25:34):
Dean Domino gave us a super chat for nine nine nine.
Thank you, Dean Domino, and he said, not trying to
be a doomer, but not sure how we get out
of the blaming men loop. Argument always ends with men.
Let feminism happen, they enforce it since women are weaker,
therefore blame men. Wow, we blame women. Yeah, that's it,
and we and we we do it ruthlessly, that's what

(01:25:57):
we do.

Speaker 5 (01:25:58):
Like you just have to do that, say.

Speaker 4 (01:26:00):
You're adults, right, like patriarchy. What uh men, let feminism happen?
Like no, feminism was, yes, women, women allowed it, they
went for it, they used it, they benefited from it.

Speaker 5 (01:26:14):
So yeah, yeah, that's that's the deflection on the other
side for we don't want to bame blame women. Yeah
you do that because you're a coward. You say, oh,
but men are responsible. No, because you just don't want
to blame women. And honestly, you're you're telling you're asking, well,
how do we solve the problem of crawling? Get up
and walk? That's how you solve it. You get up

(01:26:37):
and you walk. And I don't know, like, I don't
know how to get the Maybe it's not clear to
me how to get the rest of the world to
get up and walk and just be okay with blaming
women as much as as they are okay with blaming men.
But I do know one thing. You have to do
something different in order to create any sort of change.

(01:26:58):
So that's what I'm doing.

Speaker 4 (01:27:01):
Okay, all right, okay, anyway, I don't think we need
this time code anymore because yeah, they draws the same analogy, like,
you know, not all men is like saying not all
white people or whatever. So we'll go to let's see, uh,

(01:27:25):
the criminal criminal justice reform analogy. So it's like right here.

Speaker 1 (01:27:32):
Actually, and as you know, I've spent a lot of
my career covering uh criminal justice system and criminal justice reform. Yeah,
the speech that you just gave could have been delivered
by a uh, what would you call it, anti criminal

(01:27:53):
justice reform person.

Speaker 5 (01:27:54):
You know, you could be delivered for i'll buy a
bigot against any other group. So essentially what you did,
as you mentioned, well, you're blaming men for the for
the behavior of a criminal minority. And of course that
is the behavior of any of any big towards any group.
They identify some subset of that group that does something
that they don't like, and they say the entire group

(01:28:16):
is responsible for it. That's what feminism does to men.
She pivoted to white people, although I'm not exactly sure
what exactly specifically white people are doing to black people
because we're not talking about crime. Yeah, so she she
uses that to be like, oh, well, white people are
all responsible for privilege, white privilege, so men are all

(01:28:38):
responsible for male privilege. That's why we are going to
smear them with the same brush as criminals, which we
go back.

Speaker 4 (01:28:45):
A little bit for some backup concepts, because there was
something that they the speech that he's saying that he
refers to is here.

Speaker 6 (01:28:53):
I think this is like I.

Speaker 2 (01:28:54):
Saw stunfellowers of this tweet and in response to this
controversy where people said, like, why was this statistic? Why
was one group one gender liking marriage more than the
other gender not a quote unquote crisis. And when it
was women wanting marriage more than men, it was because we.

Speaker 5 (01:29:12):
Were constantly gone on men's cases being shallow for liking,
from wanting, not wanting marriage as much as women. You
didn't notice that, I see you recall that in fact,
that was a big argument for men's objectification of women.

Speaker 4 (01:29:27):
Thing we've always shamed, Yeah, men for not getting married.

Speaker 5 (01:29:31):
Well during the Great Depression, that you actively discriminated against
bachelors who didn't have a wife for jobs, and that's
been consistent throughout all of human history. Yes, there's been
significant discrimination against bachelors, and it's worse than the discrimination
against spinsters, because bachelors, you know, being a bachelor could

(01:29:53):
get you killed because people would exclude you from the
ability to maintain yourself financially because you didn't have a wife,
especially in difficult times. But a spinster was expected to
be taken care of by her family. Right, So yes,
the stigma this bachelorhood has always been high and extremely aggressive.

(01:30:16):
It's just we've never pointed it out because we don't
see men in terms of being victims of social pressures.

Speaker 2 (01:30:22):
All right, Right, there's another genre that says. Look, for years,
it has been a meme. It has been a trope
of television that marriage sucks. Women are ball and chaining
or whatever for a man.

Speaker 4 (01:30:38):
Every sing here's me referencing pop culture things. This is
real life.

Speaker 2 (01:30:42):
Tom has some you know, a man rolling his eyes
at his wife because she asks them to take on
some childcare responsibility or yeah, that's.

Speaker 5 (01:30:49):
Insulting the man.

Speaker 4 (01:30:51):
Yeah, that's insulting the man.

Speaker 5 (01:30:53):
It's literally what feminists say men do. And then they
depict what feminist may men do. And she's like, I
can't believe that they do that.

Speaker 4 (01:31:00):
It's almost like the entertainment industry is on your side
and they're just affirming this stuff with their content. Yeah,
like they're literally not something that men generally like.

Speaker 2 (01:31:11):
And now you're mad that women don't want to be
continue to be victims and are asserting themselves.

Speaker 5 (01:31:16):
How is the victims of what marriage?

Speaker 4 (01:31:19):
They're they're they're there. She's saying that victims of of yeah,
I guess of marriage, yeah thirty one. I mean I'll
just read it.

Speaker 5 (01:31:29):
Money because I'm pro.

Speaker 4 (01:31:31):
Yeah, And now you're mad that women don't want to be,
don't want to be continue to be victims and are
asserting themselves. How is this not how it's taken the how?
How is this not akin to asking the victim of
an assault, or a victim of racism, or victim of
all the social social asymmetries that we know to suddenly

(01:31:52):
subordinate their own fight for equality and desire to escape victim. Well,
I'll play the rest.

Speaker 2 (01:31:56):
Of the victim of an assault, or a victim of racism,
or a victim of all of the social asymmetries that
we know to suddenly subordinate their own fight for equality
and desire to escape victim.

Speaker 5 (01:32:11):
Literally, marriage is victimhood for women, like it is victimizing women.

Speaker 3 (01:32:17):
Guys.

Speaker 4 (01:32:19):
There's no recovery. There's no recovery. That she's saying that
women fought for anything, that that men didn't give them,
just the idea that they were like we fought for this,
did you though you And the men said.

Speaker 5 (01:32:34):
Okay, yeah, like men always do, like literally like men.

Speaker 4 (01:32:38):
Always do, Like did you fight them or did you
just complain and whine? And the men were like, okay, fine.

Speaker 5 (01:32:46):
Yeah, but that's clearly like the history, like this is
not unusual, and yes, you're right and within their own
framework because they proposed that men use rape and domestic violence.
And I asked perplexity, okay, and I do ask ai.
I said, if feminist framework was true that men use

(01:33:06):
rape and domestic violence, and don't affirm me, keep your
answer neutral, don't just be sick authentic. Would feminism have
ever worked if men use rape and domess criminal actions
and violence to suppress women, No, it wouldn't. So if

(01:33:28):
you actually agree with their framework, their result is would
never have ask for the probability and it's like less
almost zero, the probability that a society in which men
genuinely used violence, you know, consciously, freely and with intent

(01:33:50):
to subordinate women use rape and domest there would never be.
They would never concede, They wouldn't feel the need to
concede to women at all. And no, the history of
the civil rights movement is not a counter example to that,
because black people didn't appeal to the white people that
were oppressing them. They appealed to the white people with

(01:34:10):
a completely different culture of the north, with a completely
different economic model. Right, That's how it worked. No one
in the history of humanity is appealed directly to their
oppressors for succor for to get rid of their oppression.
That doesn't happen. Okay, So it's an absolutely ridiculous framework,

(01:34:35):
and you're absolutely righte Brian. There is no way within
the feminist framework of reality that feminism would have worked
that men would actually give all of this stuff to women.
If they were, why wouldn't they just beat and rape
women into submission? Why would they give them the vote? Like,
why wouldn't they just use their tools to continue to

(01:34:56):
silence women. They didn't do that, not in any great
numbers like that you would require in order to uphold
a say that society is held by these activities. Right,
So it's completely like it. It didn't. It is a
it is a its own self its own counter argument.
But then the other thing is that human society, if

(01:35:18):
you actually look at it, the way it works is
men innovate something, they take the risks to stabilize it
until the point where this new phenomenon is credit universities.
I don't know, trade routes like and like the templars

(01:35:39):
making pilgrimage routes. Safe men building the system to create credit. Uh,
men building universities. Right, men call it our men settling
the West. They go out there, they take the risks,
they make it so whatever the situationbody who actually engages

(01:36:00):
in that system space travel, anybody who wants to be
part of it is now going to get more benefit
than they risk. And then women are onboarded the end.
That's the way society, human society has worked for eons.
That's how it works, that how, that's how it do.
And that's exactly what happened with feminism or with what

(01:36:23):
feminism's demands or women's demands in the twentieth century. Right,
men stabilized everything. Men's stabilized. You notice that women asked
for the vote once. Generally asking for a vote didn't
get you your head lopped off.

Speaker 4 (01:36:38):
Yeah, sure, that took a freaking long time.

Speaker 5 (01:36:40):
There were a lot of uprisings during the seventeenth and
eighteenth century in which you you know, peasants would ask
for the vote and then they'd all be slaughtered. Women
weren't a part of that. They waited until it was
all a bureaucratic matter rather than a head lopping off matter,
and then they were onboarded. That's the way it's worked

(01:37:01):
throughout all of human history. And feminists want to appropriate
that and pretend that they did it. They did not.

Speaker 4 (01:37:09):
Okay, all right, let's listen to the we're going to
get to the criminal justice reform argument that happens.

Speaker 6 (01:37:15):
And supplement that to their attacker. They're the person who
victimized them emotional needs.

Speaker 1 (01:37:26):
And as you know, I've spent a lot of my
career covering criminal justice system and criminal justice reform. Yeah,
the speech that you just gave could have been delivered
by a what would you call it anti criminal justice
reform person verbat asking you're asking the victims of crime

(01:37:49):
to sub you gave just to like subsume themselves to
the broader you're talking about these too.

Speaker 4 (01:37:59):
Yeah, he's got cap.

Speaker 6 (01:38:01):
Yes, you can do the root causes of crimes.

Speaker 4 (01:38:04):
I don't ask.

Speaker 3 (01:38:07):
What.

Speaker 5 (01:38:08):
Let him speak, Shut up, woman, let him speak.

Speaker 1 (01:38:12):
People talking about the root causes of crime.

Speaker 5 (01:38:14):
Yes, we could talk about all of that without asking
the victim.

Speaker 1 (01:38:19):
The number one argument that I'm.

Speaker 2 (01:38:21):
Not asking a victim of crime to say their rapist
shouldn't be punished.

Speaker 6 (01:38:25):
That's not the that's the point of criminal justice reform.

Speaker 2 (01:38:28):
The point is not to say that there shouldn't be
accountability to talk about what.

Speaker 3 (01:38:33):
No.

Speaker 2 (01:38:33):
But Ryan, well, we're I think what we're I don't
speak for you, Ella, but it feels like we're we're
just skipping over the.

Speaker 6 (01:38:39):
Account you know what it is?

Speaker 5 (01:38:40):
Can I just summarize this. They want to hate men,
they want to hate on men, They want to blame men,
and that's it. And he doesn't want them to do
that because he sees that as pushing men away from
the set of political ideals that he thinks that this
mess of tribalism still has.

Speaker 4 (01:39:04):
Yes, And he's trying to like he's trying to draw,
he's trying to make a trying to put it in
in a way that she can see it. So he's
talking about criminal justice reform and he and he's basically saying,
you are treating men in the same way that you know,
our oppressive police state, whatever he would describe it, treats,

(01:39:28):
you know, criminals, and it's He doesn't think it's fair
because a lot of criminals are you know, they don't
maybe they don't need jail time, maybe they need you know,
other things, community service, psych uh you know, psychological help
or whatever we should. He's one of these guys that
would advocate to send social workers to the subway to

(01:39:49):
deal with a psycho with a knife. That's what I'm saying.
He's that kind of guy, And he's just putting it
in that framework so that she can see that. She
can see what she's doing, but she can't see it
because she's criminal. She immediately goes to male rapists and
like victim blaming, but like in the in how women
are affected by that, you know? Uh is she?

Speaker 5 (01:40:11):
So he's basically saying that, well, well, what they're doing
is they're using the existence of male criminals to justify
harming other men.

Speaker 4 (01:40:20):
Yes, okay, all right, anyway, that's what does it look like?

Speaker 6 (01:40:28):
What does it look like? At what point?

Speaker 2 (01:40:30):
How should young boys like the ones that Ella was
went to school with be held accountable?

Speaker 5 (01:40:34):
There is no there are held accountable for their own actions.
What the hell are you talking about?

Speaker 4 (01:40:40):
She's saying, there's no accountability. This Ella person down here.

Speaker 5 (01:40:45):
Shit, yeah, absolutely freaking bullshit. There's no accountability. There's no
accountability for you as a young woman and your sexual violence.
But they're sure as hell accountability for young men. It's
right there in the arrest and conviction statistics. What do

(01:41:05):
you think those look like? Honestly, if these statistics, and
if these statistics are bearing out, if women engage in
sexual assault at the same rate as men, and there
are substantial research, now the most credible research, suggesting they do,
then the rest and conviction statistics show a very stark story. Men,

(01:41:27):
young men, old men are held accountable, but women aren't.
And don't give me this crap like your educational institutions
also don't hold these men accountable. That's not what she's
talking about. That's not the accountability she wants. She wants
the fact that there exist young men follow like you know,

(01:41:52):
they're not the largest percentage, because her group is the
largest percentage of violent rapists, but there exists some young
men who engage in them, and she wants the existence
of them to justify group punishment of all young men.
That is actually that's what she considers men taking responsibility.

(01:42:12):
These people are sick.

Speaker 4 (01:42:16):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (01:42:17):
And if you speak out against that, you are a misogynist.

Speaker 4 (01:42:26):
All right, let's listen to some more. We're almost at
the end of this time.

Speaker 5 (01:42:28):
Code burning hatreds zero burning hatred.

Speaker 9 (01:42:34):
This is are Yeah, Like, at what point how she
young boys like the ones that Ella was went to
school with be held accountable.

Speaker 3 (01:42:44):
There is no social accountability for Yeah, there's no there
is zero social accountabit.

Speaker 5 (01:42:50):
What a social accountability mean? No, he's not. He's misunderstanding
what she's saying. She's saying there's zero social What the
hell does social accountability means? Means?

Speaker 4 (01:43:00):
He wants themship group punished?

Speaker 5 (01:43:04):
Well, it doesn't matter what kind of some.

Speaker 4 (01:43:07):
Kind of like way to ostracize, isolate, sensor, shut down,
you know, cancel. That's what That's what it is. I mean,
that's what she's calling for. And I'm not like taking
out of context like she says it. And this guy
is like, well, I don't think that's the answer, because
you know, he's a man. So he's still like, no,
that's not a good idea. I don't like that. But

(01:43:29):
the women are like, no, let's do it. Yeah, yeah,
collective punishment exactly.

Speaker 1 (01:43:40):
That are showing what is acceptable and strong and good behavior,
and that they are outside.

Speaker 3 (01:43:46):
That's not accountability, that's not accountability. Still, there are so
many accountability role models for young men. I mean, like,
it's not a question of, oh, should there be more
role models, it's the question of, oh, like, this is
a social problem among young men where they can.

Speaker 6 (01:44:05):
Okay, So that's literally this bitch.

Speaker 5 (01:44:08):
Sorry, I don't care. She's talking somebody else's talk. She's
part of the problem. She's going to take responsibility for this.
She is saying that because there exists a small minority
of young men who engage in sexual violence of any
sort or sexual bullying, of course we're just going to
ignore the fact that there's a much larger proportion of

(01:44:30):
women in her age who do that. Not just ignore that,
but because there exists this small proportion, men should be
subject to social accountability, which is collective blame and punishment.
This woman, she is the face of fascism. Well, no,

(01:44:50):
not fascism, because fascism is government and corporate collusion. She
is the face of every genocider in human history, the
beginning of it. Yeah, collective punishment.

Speaker 3 (01:45:04):
Oh for sure, because it's just not that important to
them to empathize with women that the fuck does.

Speaker 5 (01:45:14):
Not even fucking mean.

Speaker 4 (01:45:18):
The more of this I do, the less I empathize.
Not gonna lie. The tank is low, the tank is
very low. Just have like you guys and my wife,
and I think that's basically it.

Speaker 5 (01:45:31):
Yeah, maybe some of the women at your church, I
would imagine.

Speaker 4 (01:45:33):
Yeah, the people at my church are fine because they're
they seem like human, human females.

Speaker 5 (01:45:38):
What the fuck collective blame? All right, So when we're
doing the collective social responsibility they have to take, they
are socially responsible for the criminal minority, and they don't
empathize with women. You are forcing them to take responsibility

(01:45:59):
for something they've never done, and that that is going
to be emphasizing with you. Okay, you guys are cooked. Unbelievable.
I don't know, Like I know, there are still men
who vote single men who still vote Democrat.

Speaker 4 (01:46:19):
But yeah, but they're usually doing it because they're they
think it's gonna benefit the women in their life. I mean,
I think that's why they do it, like they think
it makes them good men. Yes, they will do that
from a from a position that they see as logical,
but I think that they're getting they're they're all getting
pushed out at some point because that's just where this goes.

(01:46:41):
It's a it's a purity spiral that that doesn't have
it has an ending, but it's you know, it's not
going to be pretty.

Speaker 5 (01:46:48):
So watch TV says, just because some men engage in
violent behavior doesn't mean that all men do. Every guy
time a guy points out bad behavior on a woman
and women is like, but not all women. Yeah, I
mean you should probably say yeah, maybe not all women,
but all women get away with it.

Speaker 6 (01:47:03):
There you go, all right, all right, next.

Speaker 1 (01:47:07):
Time, code it's not the responsibility and go ahead and
say whatever you want. I'm just saying, if you want
to end this, if you want to fix this, you
want to change it, like at least be open to
the possibility of it, and don't mock the idea that
boys and men's feelings like matter.

Speaker 3 (01:47:23):
I'm gonna be honest, Well, what are you kidding.

Speaker 4 (01:47:28):
Let's let's let's wait, let's listen. Try not to react.

Speaker 6 (01:47:32):
Okay, sorry, no.

Speaker 3 (01:47:35):
Go ahead, And a lot of my peers do mock
the idea of male loneliness. At the end of the day, Well,
we know that.

Speaker 1 (01:47:42):
We hear it all the time. We hear it from
you all the time.

Speaker 3 (01:47:45):
You know what we hear more So, it's difficult to
take the idea of male loneliness seriously when I know
what's driving the misogyny epidemic isn't male loneliness. It's misogyny.
It's the pre existing.

Speaker 5 (01:48:05):
Was that argument, So I don't have to care about
I don't have to care about women's emotions because of
misogyny because they're mad at me, because they're mad at you. Well,
they're justified in being mad at you.

Speaker 4 (01:48:19):
Okay, Okay, let's let's okay, let's keep going.

Speaker 1 (01:48:22):
I mean the social constructs.

Speaker 3 (01:48:25):
Men are socialized from birth to hate women.

Speaker 5 (01:48:28):
Okay, get here, here's here's the epicenter. Epicenter. He's like,
this is a social construct, bitch. Don't you get why
they're the way that they're using this. They're not using
it as a social there's they're hand waving it because
social construct means you don't you know, actually call it
out as the bigotry it is. They they're using this
as a bio essentialist label. How do you get rid

(01:48:50):
of your masculine ideology? The answer is you can't. You
can only ever constantly submit to feminists. It is it
is a biolabel like that that that is what they're doing.
They're saying that you're born criminal is a man mm hmm,
And you're like, oh, but what it's socialized right, Well,

(01:49:10):
they're going to demonstrate to you. Okay, She's like, there
has to be a way out of it. There's there's
a way, like we can.

Speaker 4 (01:49:18):
This guy is starting from the premise too, that this
that that men are becoming radicalized and that women like
these people are not helping, but they're like part of
that problem. I don't think men are becoming radicalized. I
just think that he sees it that way because he's
in the party of hating men and everything manly or
masculine is bad. But he is at least saying, you know,

(01:49:40):
I think we're making this worse, and these women are
like impossible, we couldn't possibly do that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:46):
Well, that would be blaming women.

Speaker 4 (01:49:48):
Are not me women. That's like, you can't do that.

Speaker 5 (01:49:54):
It's literally, actually, wait just a second of time. That
is the problem, isn't it, Because if men are leaving
this party, you have to literally say this is a
bad thing. And of course who is to blame the
behavior of the women and the party and the men
who just sycophant to them. Right, they're just they're they're

(01:50:17):
just engaging sycophancy. So, but the framework that we need
to appeal to men by stopping by doing anything that
is absolutely outside of their moral understanding, because it requires
actually recognizing how things affect men, even in a purely

(01:50:41):
instrumental way, like I don't want to do this because
it's going to cause us to lose. They don't want
to do that. I don't even know if they're capable
of it. These two people do not understand that men
have feelings. Yeah, they have too many ways of dismissing
that fact to understand that men have feelings and that

(01:51:03):
those feelings should dictate their actions occasionally. Right that, you know,
the lady down here shouldn't rape man at gunpoint because
that'll make him feel bad. No, she can't recognize that.
She can't even recognize the possibility of it, right, because
that would be to recognize that things happen to men.

(01:51:23):
Those things can sometimes cause negative things to happen to men,
and you are responsible for those negative things in certain circumstances.
If you're just insulting a dude. You know, that's maybe
a bit more his problem. But if you're raping him
a night point, that's a you problem, right, And if
you are presenting this demonizing narrative of group blame, that

(01:51:46):
is also a you problem. So to even conceive of
what this man is saying, they have to accept that
women can be blamed and men can be blameless, is
what I'm saying. And that is so far out of
there constellation of understandable thought that is just not going

(01:52:07):
to happen. So it's like watching a man try to
explain to a rock the process of walking. Hey there,
mister boulder, you know I have two feet. Yeah, get
anywhere with it? Okay, all right?

Speaker 1 (01:52:24):
Pre existing to what time and memorial? I mean, these
are so constructs.

Speaker 3 (01:52:29):
Men are socialized from birth to hate women.

Speaker 5 (01:52:32):
From birth by who like.

Speaker 6 (01:52:36):
It's always worse.

Speaker 1 (01:52:37):
Because it's worse time. It's so much worse today than
it was, making it worse. And there has not been
a change in humanity in.

Speaker 6 (01:52:45):
Like the fun has been. There has been, it's not
the change.

Speaker 5 (01:52:51):
Whoaa whoa, whoa whoa whoa.

Speaker 4 (01:52:52):
Thank feminism, Thank feminism for giving you your right to vote. Otherwise,
stop get me.

Speaker 5 (01:52:58):
A handsating Okay, so he's saying it's worse like misogyny.

Speaker 4 (01:53:02):
Sandwich has entered the chat.

Speaker 5 (01:53:05):
His socialization is worse now, and she's saying it's because
of feminism.

Speaker 4 (01:53:10):
So what she's saying, No, no, he's saying, okay, how long,
like how how long has it been? Like how old
is sexism? And he said it's a social construct, and
they agreed with him, and he's like, well, okay, so
men have hated women for how long? Because she was
like since birth, and then the other woman was like
since time immemorial, since the dawn of time. So they're

(01:53:30):
contradicting themselves because obviously that's what women do, so that,
on the one hand, it is a social construct, but
it's also not because it's been around since the beginning
of time.

Speaker 8 (01:53:38):
Time.

Speaker 4 (01:53:39):
And he's like, things have not gotten better and she
was like, well, yeah they have, but only because of feminism.

Speaker 5 (01:53:45):
No, no, no, I think he's saying things have gotten worse.
Go back, let's listen. Maybe I'm wrong.

Speaker 4 (01:53:51):
They're talking over each other a lot.

Speaker 3 (01:53:53):
So men are socialized from birth to hate women. It's true.

Speaker 5 (01:54:00):
No, it's not like it's always worse, because.

Speaker 1 (01:54:03):
It's worse of time, it's so much worse today, see
what he's saying. And there has not been a change
in humanity like the has been.

Speaker 3 (01:54:12):
There has been.

Speaker 5 (01:54:13):
It's see what women, Hey, stop it, You've got to
entangle this mess. So he's saying, there's she's saying, men
are socialized from birth by who to hate women by who.
That the mythical mind rays of patriarchy, right, I mean,
if it's gotten worse, the only thing that's changed about

(01:54:35):
families since like fifty years ago is more single mothers. Okay, so,
and then she says since time immemorial. So for all
of human history, since time immemorial, men have hated women,
been socialized to hate women. But this isn't a bio
essentialist category. Guys just cross the species lines as well.

(01:54:59):
But then he said, but it's gotten worse, right, but
what but the and he's she says that's because of feminism.
And what she I'm guessing she's about to say is
that it's gotten worse because of backlash to feminism.

Speaker 4 (01:55:13):
Perhaps, Yeah, they don't, they.

Speaker 6 (01:55:15):
Don't rely on men.

Speaker 3 (01:55:17):
This isn't.

Speaker 6 (01:55:18):
This isn't Jane Austen and I don't need a man
who makes.

Speaker 4 (01:55:20):
Four hundred a year fifteen years ago.

Speaker 1 (01:55:23):
Like, no, the art, the charts are collapsing at a
much higher rate than like women entering the workforce.

Speaker 3 (01:55:29):
So firteen years ago, he too had just been born.
Like le's that that's true much less than that.

Speaker 6 (01:55:35):
Well, I mean, you know ten years ago. Yeah, to
what do you attribute that?

Speaker 3 (01:55:41):
That?

Speaker 6 (01:55:41):
Ryan? What do you think think the rapid shift?

Speaker 1 (01:55:45):
I think it's the right wing. It's the right wing socialization,
Like it's the conscious right wing culturalizing.

Speaker 4 (01:55:51):
And by that you mean it's the way that he
can't blame. Yeah, he's gonna blame the manisphere. So this
guy's not an ally. He doesn't like Look he's saying,
this guy sees men as a tool. That's it. So
he's like, look, I just want to be effective and
getting men on our camp. In order to do that,

(01:56:12):
we have to fight against the programming of the far right,
which is not happening. This is why he can't solve
the problem because no one's doing this to men except
these people. They're pushing them out, yes, saying we don't
need you, we don't want you, and then men are
like okay, just like they've always done. Okay, then we'll
just go over here, and now this guy's like, we

(01:56:32):
didn't get them back, and like, well, they left to
fuck them. You know, they didn't like they didn't put
up with our abuse. They just left like they're the enemy, dude.

Speaker 5 (01:56:46):
They literally kicked them out.

Speaker 4 (01:56:48):
Yeah, And he's like, but I want to win elections
and men are like, you will never win an election
with us ever again. And these women are like, well
fuck you then, and he's like why so, yeah, he's
not our friends. He wants men for votes, and that's
why he's like, well, it's got to be those dasherally
far right guys are doing something that we're not doing.
We got to copy their tactics. Literally, they're not doing

(01:57:10):
anything except talking about like the reality like this is
like what they to hate about guys like you know,
Tait and Fuentees is they are saying red pill things
and they just happen to have like enough reach that
it looks like they're the only ones that comes from.
Peterson says some pretty red pill things sometimes too. I
know it's gonna pitch you guys off because he's not
like red pilled enough for you. But the truth is

(01:57:32):
he has saved men from suicide. He has done a
lot of good, full stop. He's a net positive, okay.
But the point is is that because those guys are
high profile, these people go after them because they only
go after people that they see as high profile, not
necessarily people who are the most effective or the most based. Okay.
So that's the reality, and that's for them. It's all

(01:57:52):
about winning. That's that's what they care about. They care
about winning, and these women they care about excluding men
or at least like forcing them to comply and support
them unquestioningly. That's that's how they see it, right, And
he thinks that's not a winning strategy, but a like literally.

Speaker 5 (01:58:12):
What they want from men is impossible. They want men
to remain inside this this long house while being outside
of it, right, And it's like yet, well okay, that's
not going to work. So you shove men out and
they can't remain inside if you shove them out. And
then he's like, well, how did the right do this?

(01:58:34):
They they didn't do it. But the other thing is
he correctly identify how they shoved out Bernie bros. Do
you not notice that this is what they've been doing
for everyone that doesn't completely coalesce with their particular cozy politics.
Like it's basically you either you either accept the cozy politics,

(01:58:59):
my cozy politics, which means nobody can disagree with me
because that makes me feel bad, or you get the
choppy chop and you get kicked out, or you get
kicked out, you get exiled. And yeah, like he's like
struggling with this, but he recognized this with Bernie bros.
That's what they've done with all these men. They've literally

(01:59:19):
shoved them out of the long house, and then they
blame them for no longer being in the long house.
And then they also said, well, why do Republicans do
this to us? Good luck? Good luck with this ball
of fuck.

Speaker 4 (01:59:34):
They don't have a solution. They can't because it's it
doesn't fit. I think it just fundamentally does not fit
with their philosophy. That would mean they would have to
listen to men and actually listen to them, and they're
not prepared to do that. They're just trying to figure
out how to win, and they think men are useful
for that end.

Speaker 6 (01:59:51):
So that women are young women are being treated so poorly.

Speaker 1 (01:59:55):
Yeah no, no, no, no. The man of sphere, all
of the things that I'll appoint to I think are
the drive, are a driver?

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
But I was asking what is driving women's disinterest in marriage,
young women's girls and disinterested in marriage?

Speaker 6 (02:00:11):
The rig You say, it's the manisphere, but.

Speaker 4 (02:00:13):
It's feminism though, That's what's driving women's disinterest in marriage
and family literally sex in the city. It's euphoria. It's
all the fucking TV they watch. It's social media, it's influencers,
it's manifestel, you know, that's what's doing it. It's not men.

Speaker 5 (02:00:32):
Yeah, what the hell? Like, there's a billion dollar industry
driving all this, and there are members of this industry,
seminal lights of this industry that said, this is specifically
what we're doing. We're destroying the family.

Speaker 4 (02:00:48):
Yeah. And feminism, yeah, they said it explicitly. So how
does this woman think, well, why aren't men interested in.

Speaker 5 (02:00:55):
Like, you know, what's really funny?

Speaker 4 (02:00:57):
And these women on this show somewhere I forget where,
but they actually say I think they say it on
here that they're not they're not going to have kids
and not going to get married. So they're literally like
doing the thing that that is causing the situation. And
then they're like, why is this happening? Do they do
you just want men to approach you so you can
turn them down because I could see that.

Speaker 5 (02:01:18):
Well, they probably would argue that they're not they don't
want to get married and have children because men are
so awful. But the thing is that they have been
subject to a gigantic campaign saying that men are awful. Yes,
so it's like, well, okay, where did this come from?
Why do women not want to marry? Why do women
think men are awful? Because that's what like literally feminists

(02:01:40):
and like the seventies said, how can we define the
relationship between men and women too to benefit feminism? And
then we let them do that, and now this, like
and and literally feminists have said, we want to destroy
the relationship between men and women. You have outlined your
plan to get women to not choose marriage and children. Okay,

(02:02:04):
you've outlined your plan, you have enacted your plan, the
plan is successful, and now you're saying, how do we
blame how do we blame men? Actually, you're not even
saying that, you're saying men are to blame.

Speaker 4 (02:02:18):
Yeah.

Speaker 6 (02:02:20):
I'm like, well, it's the women's disinterest the West driving them.

Speaker 5 (02:02:23):
Okay, Okay, I'm gonna say one last time.

Speaker 4 (02:02:25):
We're being treated by men, So she thinks women are
disinterested because how they're being treated by men. No, No,
that you're you caused the problem. The problem bears the
fruits that you wanted. And now you're saying men did this.

Speaker 5 (02:02:40):
Yes, that's exactly what I said that.

Speaker 4 (02:02:42):
Yeah, that's that's what you've done. All right, let's just
do the last time code because we've gone for like
two hours unless there's something else.

Speaker 5 (02:02:50):
Yeah, there is one other thing I wanted to say. Right, so,
not only have they done that, not only are they
now blaming men for what they themselves did. Can you
guys see how blaming men because you have such an
aversion to blaming women, has to be challenged or this
will never go away and this will destroy our society.

(02:03:11):
Like you know, people have said, well, you know, it's
not that big deal, like the the the birth collapse
crisis is not that big a deal. We could stand
to be a smaller population. Yeah, maybe maybe that's true,
but at some point we have to actually stabilize, which
means we got to solve this. Otherwise it's just gonna

(02:03:32):
basically go through our entire birth rate like a knife
through butter until no human being is having children except
maybe the Amish maybe, but you know that's not gonna
be a lot of people on this earth, and we're
never gonna get off it either. Okay, So I think
that we need to solve this just to even have

(02:03:55):
a future with a lower population. Okay, we need to
solve this problem. So we need to be able to
blame women, and we need to recognize that sometimes men
are not to blame.

Speaker 4 (02:04:10):
Mm hmm, all right, last time code. This guy leaves early,
not because he's angry or rage quits, it's just that
he can't stay for that long kinds of moment.

Speaker 1 (02:04:22):
Yes, Yeah, I think it's a it's a matter of
perception that we all we perceive we perceive it differently.

Speaker 4 (02:04:30):
I think.

Speaker 1 (02:04:32):
One from one side, people think like all the men
and boys are just completely coddled all the time. On
the other side, they think that they get they get
no grace whatsoever and and are the only group that
isn't allowed to be part of verifiably a social construct.

Speaker 4 (02:04:48):
Uh no grace, no grace. Yeah, so they gives them
no grace. Yeah, nobody gives them grace. And this woman,
of course, Brianna Gray, says, this is absolutely let's see
in a.

Speaker 2 (02:05:02):
Man's America, it's a man's world, are still running every single.

Speaker 6 (02:05:08):
You can get nowhere in that narrative miserable.

Speaker 4 (02:05:13):
And they're all miserable. Yeah, maybe you're wrong. Have you
considered that? Have you considered that? If things are if
you're looking at symptoms that are the opposite of your
prescription or what your diagnosis of reality is, then maybe
your diagnosis of reality is wrong. If I tell if
I say to Lindsey, oh, you know, I think that

(02:05:39):
you have you know, like I don't know, I think
that you have a head cold, and you you you
you obviously have like a sinus problem, and she just
like like collapses from like you know, fucking lung cancer.
That means that I didn't have the correct diagnosis because

(02:06:00):
I wasn't looking at the tumor in her chest and
I didn't see that as part of the problem. Ah,
that's just like a fatty corpuscle. I don't know, Like
it's just not a good diagnosis. And they're just like, no,
this is the diagnosis, so everything has to match that.
These are our conclusions. And this guy's like, yeah, but
why are men unhappy if they have all the power? Oh,

(02:06:20):
because they're whiny bitches.

Speaker 5 (02:06:24):
Why okay, all right, lady, men.

Speaker 4 (02:06:29):
Did this to themselves.

Speaker 5 (02:06:30):
See why did they do this to themselves? Because are
you going to honestly say that men are so stupid
that they constructed a system to keep you in absolute
chains for all since the dawn of time? I believe
that's what she said.

Speaker 4 (02:06:46):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 5 (02:06:47):
Men have managed to conspire to keep women, the very
people who raise them, under their thumb since the dawn
of time, and yet they're so stupid that they can't
use that to benefit themselves. Patriarchy is so stupid that
even though it uses rape and domestic violence to keep
women in line, it has never occurred to it to

(02:07:10):
just simply kidnap and force women to marry outside of like,
I don't know, war, which is not what we're dealing
with here. We're dealing with a peaceful society. It's never
considered that we actually, no, that actually makes sense, Like
that would be something that you might consider in war,
you know, like the Bronze Age, to just go and

(02:07:30):
steal a bunch of women and force them to marry you.
But for some reason, our patriarchy that uses horrific violence
against women to get what it wants, has never thought
of that and instead chooses to live in misery respecting
women's consent. Funny, isn't that?

Speaker 6 (02:07:47):
I mean, not even just.

Speaker 5 (02:07:48):
Misery of, but even worse misery because it's forcing itself
to underwrite, like they're forcing men to pay taxes to
give women even more things, more opportunities to consent to
things like you know, before you know you would you
would consent to marriage. Maybe maybe there would be economic

(02:08:10):
pressures for both men and women, but regardless, but now
you can actually have an opportunity to be a single mother,
to be single completely because let's face it, male industry
gave these options to men. You can be a wife,
but not a mother. That option is there too, Right,
you have all of these options that patriarchy has given

(02:08:30):
to you that biology did not give you to you,
lady by mother nature was like, no, bitch, you give
birth and you raise those damn puppies, right, That's that's
your purpose in life. That's what mother nature said to you.
But patriarchy came along and said, I think women should
have more options. They should be able to live, they

(02:08:53):
should be able to be educated, and in very very
time can time and can tell time in base it
no time. Ah, like very things that take a lot
of time to do, which takes a lot of time
from reproducing. I think they should be able to have
have jobs, you know, I think they should be able
to And before there was all of this, you know,

(02:09:15):
air conditioning and comfortable exciting jobs. You know, they could
go in home and do jobs by the hearth and
be safe. Right, Patriarchy basically took the shit deal that
mother nature gave human women and turned it into a
buffet of wonderful life options. And these women are like
and at the expense of men. That's the other thing.

(02:09:38):
Men's have to pay taxes to underwrite that in a
society that only very recently stopped actively discriminating against them
when they didn't have wives, when they weren't supporting a
family as bachelors, in terms of in terms of having jobs, right,
they s our society forces men to underwrite all of

(02:09:58):
these lovely choices, does not give equivalent choices to men.
Even if a man is raped, he is obligated to
pay for the child his rapist decides to give birth to. Right,
So all of this buffet, all of the misery to
men and she says, Oh my god, that's you just
you just suck. Yeah, you're right. Men really suck at

(02:10:19):
creating society to benefit men. They're really good at creating
a society that gives a pleasure of options to women,
though that mother nature not. If women were still subject
to mother nature, their life would look vastly different than
what it looks like now thanks to men, which men underwrite,

(02:10:41):
which is why they're more miserable, because they thought, lady, unbelievably,
men thought, well, if we liberate women from needing us financially,
then they will truly show us how much they love us.

Speaker 3 (02:10:57):
Mm hmm.

Speaker 4 (02:11:00):
All right, but there's a little bit more. But this
is the last one. This is the end exactly.

Speaker 1 (02:11:03):
That's the whole, that's the whole point. We have a
we have a common enemy here, not me.

Speaker 6 (02:11:08):
I'm doing great with point single women.

Speaker 5 (02:11:14):
All right, rand, I'll let you go do it.

Speaker 4 (02:11:16):
So he's like, oh, we have a common enemy. I guess,
like the right, And she's like, now I'm fine, Like
basically I don't need you man, point single women. So yeah,
I guess these people have no idea. They have no idea.
When enough men check out all of this ship is gone,
like all of this, all of this internet, electricity and

(02:11:37):
plumbing and you know, your buses and and your military
and your cops and your fire departments and utilities. It's
all your fucking phone, like it's all gone. You just
you have no idea if you're so ungrateful, it's amazing
and well whatever, I mean, like you've brought this on yourself.

(02:11:59):
I know, I know people who are pretty good at
at you know, homesteading, and they're gonna be They're gonna
be able to weather the storm just fine. They're not
even amish, and you're just not You're just not gonna
be okay. So but that's it. That was basically all
the time.

Speaker 5 (02:12:16):
Codes God damn. So basically he's just talking about and
he's trying to get them to I mean, we could
just do a whole show on just the things that
he talked about and how they're sort of wrong. Although
I you know, the fact that he is a void
cat too gives me a little bit of sympathy for him. Sure,

(02:12:37):
void cats represent but and.

Speaker 4 (02:12:40):
He I just don't think that he actual mind. Like
if I said, well, here are the things men are
concerned with, I don't think that he would take a
lot of that on. Well, maybe he has come across
as far right because a lot of men want to
get married to a woman and have children. You said,
what are you gonna do about that?

Speaker 5 (02:12:59):
You said her that you have to, you know, encourage
them where they are at. That expression tells me that
he's he's learning. Yeah, no, I get it, Yeah he's
he he he is realizing that there is there's nothing
you can do in the face of this. They are
actively enjoying. They're doing a victory lap over men men's failures.

(02:13:24):
And I just I'm just like astounded, because I know
guys tend to really like feminine women. This is what
they're actually like, like a lot of them, this is
the mentality.

Speaker 4 (02:13:37):
That they have. I think they love feminine, but I
don't think they are feminine.

Speaker 5 (02:13:44):
But I don't think they're masculine either, which is feminists.
But I'm just like, this is this is their attitude,
and maybe I shouldn't call out like femmes, although it
seems like they're they're at the root of all of it.
But it's just like they just don't How could you

(02:14:07):
how could you be credited with so much empathy and
you look at the faces on these women as they
snidely just laugh about the problems facing men, and they
don't even care, like it's it'd be one thing where
they were like just you know, hard calculating people and
they're like, oh, yes, maybe we should care about this

(02:14:27):
because we're going to lose if we can't appeal to
men on some level to vote for our position. But no,
even the fact that there is this is like stupid evil.
You know, there's evil that's cold and calculating and pragmatic,
and then they's stupid evil. These women so love the
thought of men being harmed that they're willing to cut

(02:14:51):
off their own fucking hands to see it done. They're
willing to damage their own cause to see it done,
to sit there and smirk about, oh men, ah, we
stick it today. They stick it to the men. We're
gonna make them take collective blame for what a minority
of them do. And incidentally, men tends. I actually got again, rock.

(02:15:14):
I know everybody's a AI, but you again, you just
make sure that keep it neutral and tell it not
to affirm your answers to estimate. And this is what
it's good at. I asked it to estimate how much
time men spend policing, bringing to justice, prosecuting, and punishing
men who engage in crimes against women versus how much

(02:15:36):
time do men spend engaging in those crimes. Thirty seven
times more time men spend policing men's behavior towards women
than they do in engaging and anything negative towards men women.
In fact, they spend more time policing women's negative behavior
towards other women, far more than women do. Right, And

(02:15:58):
she wants men, apparently the only sex that believes it's
really critical to police their behavior towards the other sex.
She wants them to pare collective blame for the minority
of men who engage in criminal activity, who are basically
a symptom of our license for women. Because, let's face it,

(02:16:21):
if we got rid of single motherhood, that would be
ninety percent of crime gone right there, which includes a
lot of crime against women. Right So, because we allow
women to have that option to raise children without fathers
father's input, we endure a lot of crime, including a
lot of crime against women. But and men will police

(02:16:45):
that crime, right And that's the predominant thing that men do.
They are far more likely to police their criminals than
engage in any kind of criminal action against women. And
yet men still have to be guilt feel guilty about
the behavior of criminals of their not in their number,
the criminals, the criminal men, the minority of criminal men.

(02:17:07):
Oh god, my voice is cracking. This has been some
serious rage bait for me.

Speaker 4 (02:17:14):
Yeah, this is Look, we've gone for like two hours.
We have other things. But we can do that another day,
for sure.

Speaker 5 (02:17:25):
Yeah, I mean we could, we could. Just how long
is the video of the guy's in the UK Parliament
who's talking about being sexually assaulted?

Speaker 4 (02:17:36):
Two minutes and twenty seconds.

Speaker 5 (02:17:38):
I mean, I guess it's relevant to this woman, but
it'll inspire more talking, so maybe not.

Speaker 4 (02:17:46):
Yeah, I thought I would bring it out. That's going
to have a conversation just.

Speaker 5 (02:17:49):
Just brief briefly. One of the labor MPs, Josh Newbury
uh talked about how he was raped ten years ago. Well,
of course it's not rape in the UK, but he
was raped by a woman who used drugs, or it
might be it might be a man. I don't, I
don't haven't watched it specifically.

Speaker 4 (02:18:09):
But anyway, his drink was spiked or something, so Yeah, his.

Speaker 5 (02:18:13):
Drink was spiked. So that's how they that's how he
was victimized, or that was how they got him into
a state where he could be victimized. And he did
this in public of the UK's parliament. Yeah, part, and
I wanted to talk about it because I thought it
was really important that male survivors actually talk about this
stuff and get rid of the stigma against that because

(02:18:38):
they're going to continue to use this stuff. They're going
to continue to use crimes that women engage in too
to force men to take collective blame. And that is
so it's morally bankrupt. That's all I can say about it. Yeah,
I'm glad these two are staying single and aren't having children.

Speaker 4 (02:19:01):
All right, well for now. I'll probably change at some
point when the wall comes. But uh yeah, so go ahead,
you want to do the things, and then I'll do
the things.

Speaker 5 (02:19:14):
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(02:19:39):
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(02:20:22):
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I'm like yes, because once you soften it, then you
start conceding to women's feelings and that never ends. So yes,
I blame women and you can't stop me. All right,
back to you, Brian.

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