Men’s cost of living in Ukraine | HBR Talk 381

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Episode Transcript

Speaker 1 (00:00):
Hello, and welcome to HBr Talk three point eighty one
Men's Cost of Living in Ukraine. I'm your host, Hannah
Wallen here with the personification of perceptivity, Mike Stevenson, nonsense annihilator.
Lauren Brooks is going to be late. Oh and yes,
Mike says hello. And in the background we got the

(00:23):
doge in charge, Brian Martinez, making sure that everything goes
the way that it's supposed to go. And tonight the
stream is going to be a bit dark. But this
is something people really need to be aware of, and
it's something I've been wanting to try to get across
and I've been looking for ways to get it across, and.

Speaker 2 (00:45):
We haven't had a stream that's a bit light.

Speaker 1 (00:48):
Yeah, oh yeah. We have had some fun like making
fun of of the the I can't think of what
they were called, those female in cells that we're all
about female dating strategists, did some shows on them.

Speaker 2 (01:02):
But it's all dark.

Speaker 1 (01:04):
It's all dark, different ways of being dark. This is
dark dark. This is like if you're going to get
pissed off, so tonight you know, be prepared. This is
this is going to be rage fuel and it's something
that I think everybody should be mad about so you know,
I've I've been mad about it for years, and uh

(01:26):
not just in regard to Ukraine. I will admit, I
will admit the title is a little bit quick baity
because this practice is it's not the same in every country.
It's a little more heavily veiled in other countries, maybe
a little more tactfully done in other countries, but it
is what it is in every country. It's done in

(01:49):
every nation. I just put Ukraine in the title because
that's the nation that the website that we're using to
discuss this is looking at, and that's that's who's featured there,
and it's it's also like one one very recent example,
and it's a very blatant example. But Lauren's gonna be

(02:14):
a little late, so we'll it will probably just start
out with with me and Mike, and then we'll get
into it a little more once Lauren is here to
to look at it. I may have to explain a
second time what the thing is that the website features,
but I'll get into all that.

Speaker 2 (02:37):
He's picking up some wine. I'm already ready here with
my bottle of gin and you need it. I spent
the last time was composing the end of my response
to Pass Morgan and Tucker Carlson. It's it's it's gonna
be epic.

Speaker 1 (02:55):
I haven't I haven't watched it, so I need to
watch that. I don't need to respond to it.

Speaker 2 (03:01):
I will fill you in. I'm calling it simpy much
of the Titans.

Speaker 1 (03:05):
Oh god, it was like that. Huh okay, yeah, that
is everywhere. That is everywhere, unfortunately, and so you have
the left wing simp and the right wing simp. That's great. Yeah,
but yeah, before we get into all the material we're
gonna look at today and and I'm I apologize and

(03:26):
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And yeah, this is that's going to be an enraging show.
So here we go diving in. First, I got to
explain to you what the thing is that we are

(04:51):
going to be talking about. This website was drawn to
my attention by one of my mutuals on x and
like I said, every every country does something like this,
but but almost exclusively, it's done to men. Women are
mostly not even required to do any kind of service,

(05:12):
and when they are, they're not required to do combat
role service. It's usually some sort of civil service in
in their country, or they're they're required to do something
like what the National Guard does when there's disaster, you know,
relief that needs to happen, but not usually anything like

(05:35):
being a combat expert or any other any other role
in the military where they actually would have to go
to the combat zones, especially much less the front lines
where men are sent when they are drafted, when they

(05:55):
are conscripted. So I hate when they do that. They
degender the term as if this happens to everybody, right, No, no,
it happens to men. So forcibly detaining draft age men
by representatives of territorial recruitment centers Ukraine's military enlistment officers

(06:21):
and transporting them to assembly points, often in unmarked vans,
and it's they did this like, oh, it's an emergency,
we need men to fight this war. So I want
to remind you before we go any further into this,
exactly how we got to this point. And part of

(06:43):
that was during the Obama era. Remember when we did
the show discussing the man who tried to shoot Trump
from outside of his golf course, and you know, they
they caught him and and he never even got a

(07:03):
shot fired off at the president. But then you find
out that he was recruiting people for the war in
Ukraine and sending people from from the United States and such,
and that in the past he has worked with I

(07:25):
don't know what to call them, not necessarily ICE's fighters
in al Qaeda, but radicals from Afghanistan to try to
get them to recruit people UH to UH to fight
in Ukraine. And that rabbit hole led to us discussing, Yes,
Ryan Ruth, Ryan Ruth or Routh. I never could figure out.

(07:51):
I think I looked his name up at one point
or somebody discussing, and I think it was Ruth. But
r O U t H. He had some hand in
previous activities with the CIA where he was recruiting ISIS
fighters or other like al Qaeda or other radicals from

(08:14):
Afghanistan and other Islamic countries to go in and genocide
the Russian Russian heritage Ukrainians in Crimea who did not

(08:34):
want to stay attached to Ukraine. During the Obama administration,
the first time that there was there was basically an
election to Russia didn't try to forcibly take Crimea at
that point, it was that they voted to secede from Ukraine,

(08:57):
and so it was. It was quite a convoluted thing.
And you know, in searching this out, that's I learned
that the United States federal government had contracted Islamic radicals
to perpetrate a genocide in another country. So we people

(09:23):
like I didn't vote for Obama, but people that we
elected into office were involved in this. People that were
appointed by people we elected into office were involved in this.
So fast forward to the war. Russia invades after all
of this happens, and what's happening now is kind of

(09:44):
a direct result of that, right, is these people wanted
to leave Ukraine become part of Russia. Their historic heritage
was Russian. They were murdered, and the territory that they
wanted to uh seed over to to Russia, you know,

(10:07):
Russia wanted that, and so that that's what started the
Ukraine War. And now we have these these recruiters going
around in these buses. It's very much like random. It's random,
like the White Feather movement was random. They see an

(10:30):
adult male or a male who looks reasonably adult, might
not necessarily be remember their their their age for being
eligible for conscription goes up into your sixties. If you're
a Ukrainian so uh and and it's all the way
down into just graduated from high school and they may

(10:55):
so teenagers can look like they're eligible, and so they are.
They are wanting to grab whoever they can get their
hands on, as long as they're mail. So it was
initially perceived as an emergency measure done under martial law,

(11:17):
which basically means you don't have any rights. You can't
protest against this, you can't sue to stop it, you
can't do anything about it. If they take you and go,
you have no recourse, and your family has no recourse.
And even if their rules for conscription had previously exempted

(11:39):
certain groups of people, you might not be exempt even
if you're in one of those groups. And they've continued
to do this, and they've they've been very controversial there,
of course, because obviously the citizens don't like it, which
I can't blame them. So this site exists to track

(12:06):
the violations taking place and the violence taking place in
this process. And like I said earlier in the show,
like this is one way one method by which conscription
is violent. First, one of my first ancestors in this

(12:28):
country came here at the age of fourteen after being
either clonked on the head or taken while drunk, kidnapped,
put on a navy ship and impressed into the British
Navy to come over and fight the rebels and here

(12:49):
in the colonies, and you know, he kind of said
fuck that, noped out of there as soon as he
got close enough to shore to jump ship and swim away,
and he fled inland beyond the colonies into Ohio, which
I think at that time the UK had designated it

(13:14):
to be part of Canada. So I always say Canada
used to be part of Ohio because I still cling
to the idea that it's all Ohio, even though I
learned the hard way last last Tuesday that it's not.
But yeah, that was that was how he got here,
and then he was an old man before he got

(13:35):
to go home, and you know, he didn't get to
marry the girl that he was betrothed to at that time,
and he didn't get to have the family that he
was originally intending to have. He married here and raised
a family here, and eventually that led to me. So

(13:59):
this is something that you know, I've I've heard that
story all my life. My family has opinions about conscription.
So uh, there's a there was. If that hadn't happened,
I might have been full blooded Irish instead of just
like I think seven percent. So yeah, it's it's a

(14:23):
thing that's done everywhere.

Speaker 2 (14:25):
If you if you didn't have the Irish in you,
then you'd be a completely different person.

Speaker 3 (14:29):
This is.

Speaker 1 (14:32):
Yes, I have well, my my name was taken out
of the Bible.

Speaker 2 (14:42):
I keep thinking him is a Celtic name because it
looks Celtic, but it's not as.

Speaker 1 (14:46):
Yeah, it's it's Arabic. It's that the technically correct pronunciation
is more like Hannah with a heart.

Speaker 2 (14:55):
Ache or something.

Speaker 1 (14:57):
Yes, I am mister three three says I'm the tallest
leper kun.

Speaker 2 (15:04):
I was gonna say, I feel like invoking the Boy
who Cried Wolf. When it comes to all these wars,
Korea turned out to be a bullshit proxy war that
we didn't need to get involved in. So did Vietnam,
and so did everything Israel has ever done, and probably
to some degree, Iraq. And when I say we, I

(15:25):
mean all of the forces that got involved in all
these words, because it does include the UK. Every time
I know, it's like the US.

Speaker 1 (15:33):
Is always get sucked in it because the.

Speaker 2 (15:36):
And so did many other countries, Like there were dozens
of countries that got sucked into the Iraq war and
all this ship And I'm like, at some point there's
going to be a war that actually does matter to us.
And at that point we're going to be like, no,
We've been burned so many times.

Speaker 1 (15:51):
I hope it's never a war that we have to fight.
I hope.

Speaker 2 (15:57):
If it is, it isn't your actual neighbors or your
own country being invaded. It probably has nothing to do
with you, because it hasn't been.

Speaker 1 (16:06):
And you know Afghanistan and Afghanistan war that evolved out
of proxy wars in Afghanistan between the US and the USSR.
That that is fact. That is how al Qaeda was created.
Came out of the fighting that took place during that time,

(16:29):
and it was a lot of it was the two
nations fighting over who was going to control that area
and have their military bases in that area, whether that
area was going to be capitalist or communist, and neither
nation felt obligated to allow the people of the area

(16:55):
the country the fighting was taking place, and to make
that decision for themselves. So that's that that's our history. Uh,
and yeah, is there.

Speaker 2 (17:09):
About Venezuela or is that a different thing?

Speaker 1 (17:11):
No, you can, you can talk about that too.

Speaker 2 (17:16):
What the's going on there other than fucking drug smugglers?
I think, I mean that's the oil being told.

Speaker 1 (17:22):
And yeah, it's a mess that that was created by
the CIA and years ago. Pretty much every conflict that
we have had since World War One is a mess

(17:45):
that was created or its creation was influenced by the
United States getting involved in World War One and the
outcome of World War One, leading to ultimately to World
War Two. So if it doesn't trace directly back to
World War One, it traces to World War Two, which
wouldn't have happened without World War One, and the fight

(18:10):
the Cold War between the so called Cold War, because
the more I learned about the Cold War, the more
I realized that it was a hot war, but the
heat was undercover and dispersed across several nations, where the
citizens of the two nations that were having the hot
war with each other did not have to deal with
it and therefore kept voting for the same politicians that

(18:34):
kept supporting the same three letter agencies that were perpetuating
all of that violence. It was quite covert, but it
was not as cold at all as like gen xers
grew up getting taught in school at all.

Speaker 2 (18:54):
All. You virtually virtue signals you want to invent a
time machine and go back to back in time and
kill Hitler. I just want to say to anyone who
does invent a time machine, your best option would be
killing Woodrow Wilson. Yes, much better than killing Hitler. I mean,
Lenin might be a better shot in general, but there

(19:15):
are so many better targets than Hilly. If you killed
Woodrow Wilson, everyone would be like Hitler who because yep?
Because World Row one would have been resolved when enough
of the men were fucking killed, and there never would
have been a World War two, and there probably never
would have been all these other proxy was and there
would be no Israel, so everyone would be happy.

Speaker 1 (19:36):
Yeah, yeah, yep. So what's basically going on with this
website is that tracking and uh, they're they're just wanting
people to see this is what's happening. This is what's
being done to men in Ukraine in the name of

(19:57):
protecting the country, and and it is it is violent.
So this started in twenty twenty three when they started,
like the war started heating up in Ukraine and they

(20:17):
needed more men. They needed more bodies basically, and so,
according to human rights activists and legal experts, the methods
employed by certain TCC units, having numerous instances, raised legitimate
questions regarding their compliance with current legislation, which means that

(20:38):
because of the emergency they were violating existing law, they
just decided that law didn't matter. Precedents have been recorded
where detentions occurred without prior verification of data in the
government's mobile app for conscripts. So maybe they didn't get drafted,
but they went and got them anyway, Or maybe they
didn't confirm their age or their status, like do they

(21:01):
have a disability that's going to make them useless in
battle and therefore exempt. But yeah, they they just grabbed,
Like they see a dude and he looks like he's
a full fledged adult, and he's not got one foot
in the grave already, you know, not too blind to

(21:22):
to fire a gun and hit the enemy, or at
least not hit his allies. They grab him and throw
him in a van. The defining incident that gained widespread
residents occurs occurred in March twenty twenty four, according to
media reports, a resident of I believe it's just pronounced

(21:45):
leave was detained at a checkpoint in the I'm gonna
butcher like all of these words in the zach zach
are Hayshia region or Pattier region. After being held for
several hours at the Makachivo TCC, he was reportedly transported

(22:09):
to a border area where he was subsequently arrested by
border guards on charges of attempting to illegal cross illegally
across the border or to escape the country. While bussification
is not a legal term, it serves as a marker
of the public's reaction to the dissonance between the official
rhetoric about civilized mobilization and the reality on the ground.

(22:32):
Open source data suggests these methods have been most prevalent.
And again these are like I'm not sure if I'm
pronouncing these right, but zachar Adia or Patia Odessa and
Chernivisti Chernivsty regions. I'm better at pronouncing Polish than they

(22:54):
am at Ukrainian. It's really bad.

Speaker 2 (22:56):
Yeah, normally I'm good at these, but I'm completely lost
when it comes to fucking Slavic names.

Speaker 1 (23:02):
I should be better because I actually do have ancestry
from there. That's not why I'm doing this though, But
but yeah, so what what's being explained here basically is
that this is the public's pissed off about. It has
been very controversial. They're using emergency legal powers, so we

(23:33):
have David low Boy says I should put extraneous whys
between all my syllables and all get close. That sounds
about right, But and and and they're they're doing it
in a manner that is not just abusive of power
and of the people. They're doing it too, but maybe illegal,
and is involving people who may not even have been

(23:57):
on the conscription list. Before we go on, we did
get a super cow from Meredith g who said gave
us five dollars and said HBr talked three eighty one.
The thing that enrages me about Ukrainian is that this
proxy war, where the Russian strategy is designed to maximize Ukrainian.
Ukrainian casualties leadership had every ability to see what the

(24:22):
Russian strategy was, but tried to blind everyone with BS
propaganda to keep everyone engaged in this war. And yeah,
and men died because they tried to do that these
men never had a chance, and they're outnumbered, they're being
attacked by a much larger country. The only thing that's

(24:45):
keeping them afloat is whatever determination they have to live
and whatever assistance they're getting from the United States. And
if I think if the United States wasn't pushing for
them to continue fighting, there would have been a surrender

(25:07):
much earlier. There would have been an end to things
much earlier, a compromise some sort. And to be honest,
after learning that Obama perpetrated that genocide to force the

(25:27):
issue back during his administration, like, I have no sympathy
for anyone who suggests that they shouldn't have been allowed
to just do what they were going to do succeed
if they wanted to join Russia. And I know people
are like, well, what if Texas wanted to join Mexico

(25:49):
And the reality is that Texas fought a battle to
not be part of Mexico Texas, It'd be like it'd
be like maybe a couple hundred years later or less

(26:11):
after rejoining Russia, if Crimeo went, no, we want to
be part of Ukraine again after Russia had great economic
success and Ukraine didn't. So your equivalence is false. It's
kind of ridiculous actually to make that comparison. But I've
had that thrown at me. They could have California, though

(26:34):
I wouldn't object to that. No, they can have it,
well at least that they can have the government from California.

Speaker 2 (26:41):
Yes, Sonia is a pretty huge economy. It's like there's
there's only three countries in the world that have a
larger economy than California. You don't want to lose it
just letting them roll in, change the government and then
take it back over again and take.

Speaker 1 (26:56):
It back uh. In the meantime, though, like, honestly, the
best thing that could happen is more people see this website,
see the violence that really is inherent in conscription and
start hamstringing their government's efforts at making war with each

(27:21):
other over things that the people really aren't into enough
to step up and say, yes, I'm willing to risk
my life for that, and some of the things that
people are objecting to, some of the legal issues with this,

(27:41):
clearly they're not following, Like if you have conscription going
off and going on. In the United States, we have
a lottery system. Every man over the age of eighteen
has to sign up or at the age of eighteen
actually has to sign up for the and there's a

(28:02):
lottery system. Then when there's a war from which they
choose who will be conscripted, they send you a notice
and you are expected to comply with that notice by
showing up. They don't go around randomly collecting people off
of the street. Now, if you don't show up, then

(28:22):
then they might send people after you. There's always that
threat of violence. You will be arrested, you will be
forcibly taken into the military, or you will be forcibly
put into imprisonment for refusing to to comply with with
your conscription. And similarly, if you don't sign up for

(28:46):
the draft, there are penalties. You're not eligible for things
that that you know, women and girls are eligible for,
even if they you know, aren't eligible to sign up,
which would to date, we are not. We're not just exempt.
They won't even allow it, like you're it's against the law.

(29:09):
If I were to try to sign up, it's against
the law. We're so exempt that it's verboten. And uh so, yeah,
they're not following any kind of legal procedure. There's not
a certainty that you know allows people their their rights

(29:30):
to be respected under Article thirty five of the Constitution
of Ukraine. Uh, they're they're guaranteed freedom of movement. So
if going someplace means they might be grabbed, stuffed in
a van and taken to a conscription center even though
they were not legally conscripted prior to that, that that

(29:53):
means that men can't go anywhere do anything. And then
it is the act of this is insane. And I
want you to picture this, right, You're just going about
your daily life. You're doing your normal thing. You go
to do your job, you go home, your family has dinner,

(30:15):
you watch TV, you play video games, you maybe hang
out and talk about stuff, you read books, whatever. But
you got to get groceries sometime, and you go out
with your wife to get groceries and some guys show
up in a van, beat you into submission, drag you

(30:37):
into the van while your wife is screaming for them
to stop, and drag you off and you never see
your family again. Like it's a nightmare. It's an absolute nightmare.
And from her end, you know, similarly, same background, normal
family life, and all of a sudden, because she asked

(31:02):
her husband to go out with her, to maybe keep
her company, carry some things whatever. Maybe they always did
the shopping together. Now he's gone forever and she just
watched him get dragged off into a van by people
she didn't know after being informed that he's being conscripted,

(31:24):
and now she doesn't know if she's ever going to
see him again.

Speaker 2 (31:28):
Yeah, we talk about feminism even though it's only been
happening for one hundred years. We talk about romantic chivalry
even though it's only been happening for a thousand years.
Guess how long that shit's been going on all across
the world. I mean, it's for as long as history
has been recorded and before.

Speaker 1 (31:50):
Yeah, it's as long as the tribes have attacked each
other exactly before the mechanism involved any kind of wheeled vehicle,
Before the wheel was invented, men have been forced to

(32:11):
defend their tribe, their nation, their whatever system of government
they had, whether it was one guy that told everyone
what to do, or committee. And that's like basically just
the difference between the parliamentary system and the monarchy system.
One guy tells everybody what to do, or a committee can.

Speaker 2 (32:33):
Maybe there's a good reason for that, Maybe the civilizations
that survived survived because they did that to men. Okay, maybe,
but can we at least acknowledge that, Can we at
least acknowledge that the the I don't want to say oppression,
but the obligations that have been put upon men completely

(32:58):
dwarf the debligations that have ever been put on women.
It would be nice if, even in our modern age,
we can acknowledge that these things have been happening for
thousands and thousands of years and nothing even remotely similar
has ever happened to women. If we could acknowledge that
so so that we don't act as though men have

(33:21):
always oppressed women and only in that direction forever. If
we could get over that fucking horseshit, that would be awesome.

Speaker 1 (33:31):
Yeah, it would be I mean, the entire history of
men in masculinity has been a history of trying to
make things safer for their wives and children. And after
they accomplished that to a degree that women pretty much
had nothing to fear as long as they put men's

(33:55):
advice on how to comport themselves, women decided that they
were oppressed by that and enslaved and started protesting. It
really seems kind of dumb when you think about it.
But yeah, as a result of this, besides the men
who have been harmed or worse they've been, there have

(34:19):
been men killed as a result of this. There's some studies,
including those in the Kiev International Institute of Sociology, indicate
that approximately forty three percent of men aged eighteen to
sixty have begun limiting their social activity and avoiding public

(34:42):
places due to fear of wrongful detention, leading to a
lot of social social tension and atomization. So they're staying home,
they're not going out, they're not doing things, they're not
spending time with each other. They're essentially living in solitary confinement.

(35:03):
If they're if they have families living with them, they're fortunate.
Men who are single probably have already been taken. But yeah,
now imagine you're one of the guys in the in
the percentage of the population that has domestic violence. You're

(35:27):
in the you're either in the percentage that is one
way violence and seventy percent of which are female perpetrated,
or you're in the percentage that is two way violence,
which is still associated with more frequent violence from women,
meaning women are initiating more and women are perpetrating uniquely

(35:52):
part of the time, and you can't go anywhere because
if you leave your house, you might get grabbed by
a gang of military hoodlums and shoved into a van
taken off to fight on the front lines of a
war you don't believe in. It's like I told you, guys,

(36:14):
this was going to be an enraging show. So we're
not going to get into all of this, but the violations,
this is what I was looking for. So there's been
documented cases of beatings during detention. There's been documented cases
of traffic hazards that caused accidents that other people got

(36:40):
hurt in. They denied people right to lawyers after they've
been detained. They've failed to notify their families where they
were going and what their condition was, and they were
coerced to sign documents without proper explanation of legal consequences

(37:03):
or any kind of legal representation.

Speaker 2 (37:07):
Right.

Speaker 1 (37:07):
So they're they're essentially getting pressed into service through violence, intimidation,
and isolation. And now we're going to we're going to
There are more statistics on this page, by the way,

(37:28):
and if you want to see this page, the link
to this page is in the low bar and all.
You can look down here in the blue did it
just yet? Did it just switched over to Russian? I
don't want it in Russian? So you look at this

(37:51):
blue here, the blue text. This is when you stop
that A man have to switch this over to Chrome
home because I don't want to change my settings.

Speaker 2 (38:05):
In Brave, you're a Russian agent. You're being controlled by
the Russian holster or something.

Speaker 1 (38:13):
I can't read Russian. But the page we were just on,
it seems like every time I hover over a link,
so I'll stop doing that. The page we were just
on is the one that says what is bussification? And
so that gives you an idea of what what we're
looking at when we look at this and as we

(38:34):
scroll down here, this is the part that that really
got me and made me decide that this needs, this
needs to be talked about. Right these men, what has
happened to them is beyond unconscionable. Like even even if

(38:57):
you leave room for conscription to have a point and
a purpose that that you say, well, governments have to
be able to conscript men to fight in wars. And
because reasons and your your reasons are things that you
believe in right, there is no point in beating somebody

(39:17):
to death. They're not going to be able to do
anything for you after they're dead. Dead men generally do
not march, pick up guns, carry them, shoot the enemy
pilot any type of war vehicle, whether it's flying or

(39:37):
on the ground. They don't get on the computer and
direct drones. They don't do any of the support positions
that are in the military. There are no dead cooks
in the military. They're all alive. Once they're dead, they
stop working.

Speaker 2 (39:54):
And it's not like torture. I I've appointed my self
Devil's advocate for torture, but as much as I'm against it,
there is a reason for torture so that you can
get information out of people. But beating someone to death
is not going to get information. It's like torturing babies.
This subject we keep coming back to, like, there's no

(40:15):
reason to torture babies ever, because they can't even fucking talk.
And beating a man to death, especially about the part
of his body that talks, is there's no reason for
that other than blind revenge or just sadism.

Speaker 1 (40:34):
And definitely works as a means of enforcing compliance. If
the order that you're trying to get them to comply
with is to stop, all right, stop molesting children. Well,
if they're dead, they can't do that, right. But a
man who is doing normal adult citizen things, going to work,

(40:56):
going home from work, and spending time with his family,
going to local businesses and spending his money there, going
to his his religious institution and worshiping in his own
particular idiom, you know, like whatever. You can't force compliance

(41:19):
with conscription from him if you kill him in the process, right,
you can't do that. So this is a pointless death there.
The government doesn't benefit, the people don't benefit. The organization
doesn't benefit because they're not getting their numbers of people

(41:40):
sent to the front up by doing this, they're just
causing death. This man held at Sarny TCC died in
the I believe this is n Maybe it's rivnya region.
According to his mother, his name has vital in it.

(42:06):
Jeez viteally, I'm I'm gonna say this is suck. Kirk
was taken on Thursday, August twenty first, I hope I
did not butcher his name uh and and held in
the building for three days. On August twenty third, his
relatives learned that he was in the morgue. That's all

(42:27):
they learned. They did not find out other information. And
there's there's twenty seven of these. Wow. Another another unpronounceable name. Yeah,
a resident of the village of Dute horror call leon

(42:56):
no call yon yeah again. Detained by the TCC on
June seventeenth, twenty twenty five. Never made it to the front.
On June twenty he received a traumatic brain injury from
TCC employees and was in a coma for seven weeks,
after which he died on au this ninth, twenty twenty five.

(43:19):
And this is this goes on. There's another one, another page.
Every time I click on this. Another man forcibly pulled
into a minibus near the entrance, died the next day.
Relatives found broken head bruises on the ribs, under the eye,
and on the cheek during identification. Abducted and mobilized the

(43:47):
fourteenth of June. That's the fourteenth of June twenty twenty five.
Died six seven five, so the sixth of July in
hospital from injuries after received at the training center. In
the video, at the training center, he could not walk

(44:09):
and the military joked calling him a lizard and said
that he fell on metal rods Jesus, thirty nine year
old man. Like in a lot of countries, you don't
get drafted after a certain age when the when wartime happens.

(44:32):
They expand that the fact that happened in the US
when my dad was a senior in high school, for instance,
he was not eligible for military service because his eyesight
was too bad. But during the worst part of the

(44:57):
Vietnam War, they would have takeaken him. His eyesight wouldn't
have kept him out. So yeah, this is another one
died at the TCC. His mother reported his abduction on
November fifth. This man had made had three hits in

(45:24):
the head with an unknown object. Police forced him to
write a refusal. I'm assuming because when you click on
these it doesn't tell the whole story. But write a
refusal for medical care. More likely than not. During this

(45:45):
man's detention, TCC officers beat him and forcibly pushed him
into a car. He survived the Russian occupation, but is
now he's got a sick heart, which basically means he's
got a heart condition that he didn't have before. But
this is the first survivor we're seven men, and this
is the first survivor we see, right. These are not

(46:06):
all of the men that have been detained. These are
some of the worst examples of what has happened. This
one delivered to the TCC. During the examination. Traces of
handcuffs and physical impact were found. Look at his face.
I don't know if I can get this picture to

(46:26):
be any bigger wow, but.

Speaker 4 (46:30):
Yeah, oh my god.

Speaker 1 (46:33):
This is what conscription is. This is conscription is violent.
Men are subjected to violence. Men are threatened with violence
to force them to comply with military conscription. And even
if you live in a country that thinks it's more
civilized than that and sends a little notice in the mail,
come to this place to be conscripted, you know as

(46:58):
a man that if you don't obey the words on
that little piece of paper, that you are at risk
that law enforcement or the military is going to show
up at your door and take you and if you fight,
if you try to not go with them, this type
of thing is what's going to happen. This is what

(47:21):
men face when men sign sign for a draft card,
when men sign for any type of selective service style
shopping list that the government uses to decide which men
they're going to use as cannon fodder in war. They

(47:41):
are signing up knowing that if they don't comply when
they're called, somebody might do something similar to this to
them if they choose to disagree with the government as
to whether or not that this war is appropriate for
drafting citizens and fight back. This is what they face,

(48:05):
even in countries that are so civilized that they have
some alternative type of service if you're anti war, like
we have conscientious objection here in the US, and they'll
find some other type of service that you are obligated

(48:25):
to do. But you also have to go through a
process to prove to the government that you really hold
those convictions and you're not just afraid to go to war,
which a conscientious objector is, generally speaking, somebody who for
religious reasons or other limited sets of moral reasons, objects

(48:50):
to being asked to kill people and will not do
so even if a gun is put in his hands
and he is sent to war. And so they created
that alternative system because in terms of the military, the
military is going to consider these men useless because they
won't kill people for the military. And so during the

(49:14):
Vietnam War, they had conscientious objectors doing all kinds of
different things. One of them was working in mental institutions
like Yipsilany in Michigan, and there were other people that
also went. They basically put them in with groups of

(49:36):
volunteers that were already going. My parents volunteered at Yipsilany
when they were in college, and so there were conscientious
objectors on their bus when they went up there.

Speaker 2 (49:52):
And probably part of me is thinking, is it okay
to be showing this on YouTube? Should be blurring this out?
But then I'm like, well, no, it's just uh, brutalism
against men. It's just it's just men with gods, women
love that. We should be all right, we should be fine.

Speaker 1 (50:08):
M yep. So when working in in an environment like
that isn't for everybody. Not everybody is emotionally equipped to
handle it. Not everybody's intellectually equipped to handle it, and
not everybody psychologically equipped to handle it. In problems, you know, yeah,

(50:32):
people people that have mental health problems, they need a
particular type that's going to understand their medical needs and
there and still be able to understand their other human
needs and treat them like human beings without becoming afraid

(50:53):
or disgusted or weirded out or any of the myriad
of things that can happen. And when you run into
somebody whose symptoms include behavioral symptoms that make them do
things that you couldn't imagine thinking of doing, or that
you can't communicate with them, or other barriers to provide

(51:18):
and good care occur. So even even conscientious objectors get
some sort of treatment where they're like, they try to
punish them into complying with with conscription instead, you know,
like it's going into that kind of Caregiving is something

(51:42):
that you do because you want to help people and
you're tough enough in various ways to do that, not
something that you do because the government makes you do it.
It's kind of like when they make people work in
church environments because they're on food stamps. In a way,

(52:05):
it's sort of trying to take people that are non
religious and harassed them into getting off of food stamps.
So it's not necessarily bad, but it is still a
limitation on you. You still forced into some sort of compliance.

(52:27):
But in this man's case, they didn't even have that option.
This guy, one minute, he's walking down the street, and
the next minute he's being beaten for, you know, not
complying with conscription, whether he was conscripted or not, shoved

(52:49):
into a van and taken some place to be forced
into service. This is another one died two days died
a few days later after head injury. Detained by the TCC.
Died in a hospital a few days later after head surgery,

(53:15):
which means he had an injury so bad that he
had his surgery for it. The sky being beaten in
a military unit. Died in hospital. I was two years
older than I am. I can't imagine at my age

(53:36):
trying to get in shape for military service. Another one
passed the medical commission. Died in a psychiatric hospital. Detained
by the TCC, beaten and found on the roadside. This

(53:58):
one blew my mind when I read it, and I
did go through and re read these before it just
why would they leave him on the roadside. And I
could see under you know, sort of understand if they
were if he was injured in the process of being

(54:21):
taken into custody, but you would think they would retain custody,
or if they were going to abandon custody, they would
take him to a hospital. They literally just dumped him
out on the side of the road when they saw
that he wasn't going to be useful to them. As
of September two, he was in intensive care and nothing

(54:45):
else is reporting reported on him. Right. Another forty nine
years old brought unconscious from TCC to the hospital where
he died. This one died from a head injury after
he was taken by the TCC to h They have

(55:13):
various territorial centers in various cities, so he was taken
to a particular territorial center for the selection and social support.
I guess social support means getting beaten in the head.

(55:34):
I didn't just skip guy today. Okay, we don't even
have a picture here. Detained by the TCC died the
next day. His sister reported the abduction in death detained
by the TCC, and then disappeared. Family did not find

(55:56):
him again. The military lost this man in the process
of pressing him into service. They just misplaced him. Nobody
knows where he is. That was in twenty twenty three,

(56:18):
so it's been a while.

Speaker 2 (56:20):
They know where the women are. By the way, yep,
I just I can't help remembering several articles by I
don't know it was UN women or the likes of
UN women who keep giving us these articles about how
Ukrainian women are the true victims of what they do
the Hillary Clinton, But the Ukrainian women are, you know,

(56:43):
refugees in various other countries, like living it up in
the hotels or fucking whatever, and we're only hearing about
all these stories he run on a patch of life streams. Well, well,
the general public is being told about how war is

(57:03):
hell for women. I mean, while this shit this ship's
going on, and yeah, it's it's not even about men
being conscripted. It's it's about the fucking Ukrainian government going
around beating the ship out of men for no reason

(57:25):
and leaving them for dead for no reason. Like never
mind war as hell, this isn't even war. This is
this is just the government using war as an excuse
to torture and beat men to death. Like wars not
the problem. I'm going to go ahead and say, myssngery

(57:45):
is the problem. It kind of looks like it, doesn't it.

Speaker 1 (57:49):
Yeah, these men are straight up murdered. There is no
there's no excusing this none, Like I don't even care
that they use the word emergency There is no such
thing as an emergency that merits rounding men up and
beating them to death in the hopes that some of

(58:11):
them will still be useful enough after you have beaten
them to actually use them in your war. Because you're
you're essentially creating more war casualties before you even send
the men out, and the men you're sending out are

(58:34):
also going to become war casualties. This is insane. This
is when people.

Speaker 4 (58:45):
Ran around wearing.

Speaker 1 (58:48):
Like baby blue and piss yellow in support of Ukraine.
This is what they were supporting. Man who can't even
be pictured. We don't even have a picture of him,
was taken by the military and then found hanged on

(59:14):
the TCC. Premises like he didn't go to war, he
didn't do anything that the military could say, gosh, we
really benefited from grabbing this guy on the street and
dragging him to the TCC. No, he died by what

(59:36):
might have been a suicide or what might have been
an execution, So either they drove him to suicide or
they just directly killed him themselves. This one was transferred
to military units. Found dead on twenty two, ten twenty

(59:59):
four so October twenty second, last year. This is a
picture of him in his coffin. This is if I yeah,
this is the one that this just threw me, like
there were the coffin pictures like it's I don't I

(01:00:21):
don't even know how to describe how that just hits.
Like this is somebody's son, and probably somebody's brother, probably
could be somebody's dad, somebody's friend, and this is, uh,

(01:00:47):
this is where he is now. He gets grabbed off
the street when he's out with a family member or
out doing something for his family, and the next time
they see him in this coffin.

Speaker 2 (01:01:01):
At least it looks peaceful. It's a dark thing to say,
I know, but yeah, think of all the images we're
not being shown. Even we even get shown the pictures
of the men after their heads have been stitched up
and stuff. But like this man, like this man. But
at least it is at least we didn't have to
see what it looked like before he was stitched up.

(01:01:24):
And at least we didn't have to look at all
the men who did not have images that could be shown,
and we can think are lucky stars we didn't have
to look at those images. You weren't wrong kind of
this is fucking darker. It's is much darker than we
usually get.

Speaker 1 (01:01:43):
I've had to go through and desensitize myself to this
so that I could talk to you guys about it
without crying all these men. Like I said at the beginning,
the first thing that went through my mind was that image.
You just go about your business, You go out to
do something normal that you would do any other day,

(01:02:06):
and all of a sudden, a van full of men
grab you off the street and shove you into the van,
and you never see your family again. You're go off
to be beaten to death or forced into a war
where you might be killed, and it just blows my mind.
I can't. I've always been angry about conscription. I've always

(01:02:29):
felt that it was slavery. I've always felt that it
was wrong, and I've always felt that people should be
much more outraged by it than they are. But seeing
it like this just kills me inside. These are human
beings that are being treated this way. This is human
beings are being stolen off the street and beaten to

(01:02:53):
death for refusing to go face death so that a
government can retain territory that the people living in it
didn't want the government to retain.

Speaker 2 (01:03:07):
And presumably this is this only this can only possibly
work as a deterrent, so that I mean, so that
they can show other men who might wish to abstain
from prescription, So that they can show these photos to

(01:03:30):
these men and say this is what we're going to
do to you if you don't join the army the fight.
Is that what they're doing or are they just not
bothering to because then it wouldn't act as a deterrent.
I get the feeling that they're just they're just going
from man to man, not even showing them these photos

(01:03:52):
as incentive. They're just going join the army. Oh you're
not going to join the army. Bosh, We're gonna fuck
your face up and kill you like it. That's probably
what's going on. It's probably that level of madness.

Speaker 1 (01:04:10):
Well, there there is a fact that people in Ukraine
know this is happening. It is a known factor for
men that if they go places and do things, this
can happen to them. And like like we said earlier,
it's it's caused forty three percent of them to limit

(01:04:33):
their movement, limit their movement around. So they're they're clearly
reacting to it. They're reacting by trying to hide from it.
I you imagine being afraid to go outside because of

(01:04:55):
this when you are supposed to be your family's breadwinner.
And then if you do manage to hide long enough,

(01:05:18):
they come and get you from your house. This man
was convicted as a draft evader and was killed for
it on August seventeenth of last year. So they executed
him for evading the draft. There's another man thirty two

(01:05:42):
years old died from epilepsy, meaning he shouldn't have been
there in the first place because he had a condition
that usually the military doesn't want you if you have
that condition, and they took him. And when people die
from epilepsy, it's usually something happens to them during a seizure.

(01:06:12):
This one got me to I'm like, the minute I
saw his picture in his smile, I knew this is
not somebody that should have been picked up, even if
they weren't doing this and they were just taking them
in for processing and such. This guy was twenty six

(01:06:33):
years old, childhood disabled, and I believe I know what
type of disability died in TCC.

Speaker 2 (01:06:49):
We already heard that stuff about how they were even
taking down ciner or just retired men. He doesn't look there,
he downs, But I mean, it could it could be
anything what you're thinking it is.

Speaker 1 (01:07:04):
I'm thinking that he has some degree of intellectual disability
because you can be here. He's not in a wheelchair,
he's standing, and he's got there's a particular a childlike
smile and that you don't usually see in an adult.

(01:07:26):
But uh, and it has that little open mouth and
that you know, upturned. There's some adults that smile like that,
but not as many. And it's just this is one
that really hit too, because it wasn't too long ago.

(01:07:46):
I had one of one of the people in my
care was talking to his mom, and Uh, I learned that, yeah,
she had to deal with selective service and and uh,
being so intellectually disabled that you need someone else to

(01:08:07):
take care of you during your entire life doesn't mean
that you don't have to sign up for selective service
in the United States. Being in a wheelchair doesn't mean
that you don't have to sign up for selective service
in the United States. Missing a limb doesn't mean that

(01:08:28):
you don't have to sign up for selective service in
the United States. You still have to sign up, they
will determine if they draft you whether they can use
you or not. And I'm wording that that way on purpose,
because it's in that instance being incapable, being deemed incapable

(01:08:53):
of consenting to sign a contract on your own, or
get married or have sex with another person consensually. Being
too intellectually disabled to do those things does not stop
you from having to sign up for selective service, but

(01:09:13):
being a perfectly able bodied, able minded, mentally healthy female does.
And so governments get away with doing shit like this,
specifically because they are not doing it to women. Another

(01:09:47):
forty seven year old disappeared from military unit, found dead
with signs of violence, kidney failure due to injuries received
in the TC see numerous bruises on his body, frost
bitten limbs, and bilateral pneumonia, which means they beat the

(01:10:10):
hell out of him and then shoved him out in
the cold or kept him in a cold room. Frost
bitten only happens when you're exposed to extreme cold, or
you're exposed to severe cold for a long time, and
if pneumonia happens as a result, it means that you

(01:10:33):
were in an environment where you were breathing extreme cold
cold or you were in cold water. What the hell
they did to this man? Kidney failure due to injuries
usually means getting beaten from behind as a student on

(01:11:00):
his way to a village near the border. The authorities
hit his death for two weeks. This one died in
the hospital from injuries received at the TCC. This one

(01:11:25):
was pulled out of a car and brutally beaten by
the TCC. We're going to look at his face because
it's particularly bad too. Fracture of the medial and lower
walls of the right orbit. That's the eye socket, fracture,
the nosebones. This is This is not a young man.

(01:11:54):
This man has more gray hair than I do. Probably
older than me.

Speaker 2 (01:11:58):
A couple of entries ago, those a forty seven year
old guy like.

Speaker 1 (01:12:02):
This guy's probably older fifties, yeah, orse, early sixties.

Speaker 2 (01:12:23):
This guy is.

Speaker 1 (01:12:25):
Primarily qualified as intentional light bodily injury. This is this
brutally beaten man, light bodily injury. He's got blood in
his eyes. That's that's blood in his conjunctiva.

Speaker 2 (01:12:49):
And it's lasted longer than the rest of his bruises.
He presumably his face was raw purple, like shortly afterwards,
and this is this is him like months later, ill
with blood in his eye.

Speaker 1 (01:13:02):
These are old bruises.

Speaker 2 (01:13:03):
Yeah, probably blind in at least one eye close to it.

Speaker 1 (01:13:10):
It's a distinct possibility with injuries like that. I mean again,
this is for nothing, because once they do stuff like
this to him and he's not gonna be able to serve.
They're not doing this to get him to serve at
this point, They're doing it to punish him for refusing.

Speaker 2 (01:13:30):
And this is what we were paying for. By the way,
I have to oh this.

Speaker 1 (01:13:37):
Yeah, I lost so.

Speaker 2 (01:13:38):
Many friends over the feminism thing, and then I lost
a bunch of more friends over the COVID thing, and
then the view that we had left when the fucking
Ukraine things started, Like some of them were like, no,
we we have to send a tax money to the
effort in Ukraine. This time, we're not getting it wrong.

(01:14:02):
This time, We're not just following a bunch of lies
that are gonna cripple people and kill them and exact
unhold indescribable fucking pain on people. And I hope some
of those people are watching this right now because I

(01:14:23):
don't want to see this. But I want you to
see this, like the few of you who somehow still
thought that our government was telling the truth when they
told you, no, we have to send these billions to
Ukraine because they're doing good things. This is what they
were doing, ladies and gentlemen, this is what they were
spending that money on. They were giving it to I

(01:14:47):
don't want to say Nazis, with some of them were
giving it to these fucking roving bands of thugs who
were going around beating the shit and killing pletely innocent
men for not signing up for death. Are any of
you watching? Are any of you listening? Can any of

(01:15:07):
you respond to me? Can any of you carry on
with this narrative that know, we had to do this
because otherwise Russia would have done what they did in
the end anyway, Yeah, yeah, no.

Speaker 1 (01:15:28):
Richard Bierre gave us five dollars and said, I wonder why,
or wonder how many of these conscripts happen to be
ethnically Russian and are scene as untrustworthy or a potential
enemy of Ukraine, and therefore they die. Then it is
one less enemy to fight. Eventually, the recruiters can be
sent to the front lines, where their brutality will actually

(01:15:50):
be useful, and that's a distinct possibility. There's a significant
percentage of the Ukrainian population that is ethnically Russian, so yeah,
it's very, very possible. And in fact, the the voters
in Crimea that voted to secede from Ukraine and join

(01:16:16):
Russia during the Obama administration, who were then murdered by
by thugs hired by Obama's c I A, uh, they
they were ethnically Russian, so and then you you they

(01:16:42):
weren't necessarily killed because of their ethnicity, but in a
way they were right. They were killed because they wanted
to return to Russia. Obviously the USSR wasn't going to
come back, but their choice, right, And then that that happened.

(01:17:09):
So this is a video of how this kidnapping happens.
And I don't I don't know if I can get this.
Here we go smaller, here, I guess those are my
two choices. You don't see the whole video, or you
see it small We'll go back to because you can

(01:17:35):
see this up close. They literally have a hold of
this man and are pulling on him and forcefully engaging
with him, detaining him. And I don't know if this
is a neighbor or a partner, because I can't understand

(01:17:57):
the language being used. But this site has so many
of these videos. It's just video after video after video
of men being grabbed off the street forced into cars. Uh.
And some of them you can see the women trying

(01:18:19):
to fight stop the abduction. There's one that's just arguing

(01:18:45):
I wish American women would stand up that at least
that much for their men. Yeah, by the way, but
you know, and this is over and over again, people
being literally like this is just they're downtown, they're out shopping,
they're out at night. One guy was being taken from

(01:19:07):
his house and you can see it from a distance.
This guy's being taken off the street. This guy's they're
chasing a man down. Oh my god, no one's not

(01:19:42):
gonna play for me. As some of these are bigger
than they seem. If I can get a better sized
view of it, and they're just grabbing him and shoving

(01:20:15):
him into a van as he fights to not go.
And the men that we saw pictures of that were
beaten were taken like this.

Speaker 5 (01:20:25):
One has to wonder if you know the men who
are rounding these other men up if the same thing
didn't happen to them, you know, and they were just
you know, deprogrammed and desensitized to what happened to them,
or they're.

Speaker 1 (01:20:45):
Doing this so they don't have to go to the
front lines themselves, right exactly.

Speaker 2 (01:20:49):
It happens generationally. Remember Cony twenty twelve. I guess everyone
was so up in arms that these children, i mean
can scripted into these pointless wars by being abducted. Yeah, well, yeah,
that is how war works. That's how it happens generationally,

(01:21:09):
these so called child soldiers and so called it's just
in some countries. It happens when they're children. In some countries.
It it happens to happen whenever the fucking Western military
industrial complex is ready and willing to do it to

(01:21:30):
your people. And even if they're forty seven, even if
they're in their sixties, and even if holy shit, it
just occurred to me, how young are they doing this
to Ukrainian boys.

Speaker 1 (01:21:45):
They're grabbing people based on appearance, If they appear to
be old enough to be conscripted, they're taking them. I
went to school with boys whose appearance range from looking
two or three years younger than they really were to

(01:22:05):
up to ten years older than they really were. One
of my classmates we started out together in the seventh
grade or in the eighth grade. Both of us at
the beginning of the school year were five foot six,
and at the end of the school year I was
five foot seven and he was six feet tall. He

(01:22:28):
was six foot four when he graduated high school, and
he looked like a young man, like military age young
man by the time he was fourteen, so they would
have grabbed him. And it looks like from what we read,

(01:22:50):
they were not verifying age very well, so he could
have as an eighth grader, been sent to war, grabbed
off the street and sent to her. Imagine sending your
kid to the store, like go get go, get a
little for bread and a gallon of milk, and you
just never see him again, and they don't tell you

(01:23:11):
what happened. He's just gone, and you know that this
might have happened to him, but nobody will tell you.
It's horrible and this is this is the the real

(01:23:34):
nature of conscription is forcing men against their will, not
caring whether you get men who are maybe over the
age or under the age of conscription. As long as
they look the right age. They're grabbing people on the
street based on looks, and if they're not verifying that

(01:23:59):
they are of age, as we saw in the text
earlier in the show, they are not going through a
vetting process of verification process when they do this, then
it is very possible that they could have sent kids

(01:24:20):
that young that they just looked like adults to them.
My childhood friend, when he graduated from high school, he
did join the Marines, but that was as an adult
and it was his choice. He wasn't grabbed off the

(01:24:42):
street and shoved into a van and sent into war
without any representation by an attorney or any other vetting
of him or anything. He went through a process they
had to confirm that he was fit to serve and everything.

(01:25:04):
But still not something you know, I would recommend necessarily
to young men, but some will. If you get into
arguments with people online about men's issues and feminist issues

(01:25:25):
and you have feminists telling you that conscription is nothing,
you remember this website bussification dot org. Show them this
is what conscription is, and you can show them this
episode and my explanation. The reason I'm showing this this

(01:25:48):
is something that people would call an extreme version, right,
But what's the difference really between being kidnapped and sent
to a center like that where you're roffed up and
maybe beaten to death, or being kidnapped and sent to

(01:26:11):
a military prison where you're roffed up and maybe beaten
to death. You're still roffed up, kidnapped, roffed up, and
beaten to death. The result is the same. And of course,

(01:26:32):
what's the difference between being grabbed off the street like
that and sent to war and being forced to comply
with a draft notice. You're still being taken against your will,
and the threat is that they will come and get
you if you don't comply. Conscription is violent. And when

(01:26:59):
women argue that it's no big deal, and you know,
men are suited for it and women aren't, and therefore
it's it's not inequality, it's it's biology and blah blah blah,
what they're essentially arguing is that it's okay to do
this to you against your will because you have greater

(01:27:22):
upper body strength than women do. David Levoy has it
quite right. The difference is the false moral theories of statism.
We're we're doing it for the good of the the society, right,

(01:27:43):
we're doing it for your country. And yeah, war is violent,
conscription is violent. Having to sign up for the draft
is the first stage of conscription, just the same as
writing your shopping list is the first stage of going

(01:28:04):
to the store. These guys didn't write a list. They
they just went in and started grabbing people men and
probably some boys, contrary to people uh citing what the
law is, because they ignored the law. And this this

(01:28:32):
goes on and on, like these videos, there are so
many of them. It just it just keeps going and going,
and like when it gets to the bottom, when the
the little scroll bar gets to the bottom, it jumps
back up because there are more videos and they're they're

(01:28:55):
they're just everywhere. Some of them are from the same day.
There's another he's trying to stop them. They have beaten

(01:29:17):
this guy already. He's on the ground. You can see
right there he is on the ground. I mean, this
is trying to drag a guy. They've literally picked him
up off the ground.

Speaker 3 (01:29:38):
It's just, you.

Speaker 1 (01:29:52):
Know, it is it is a heartbreaking situation like and
this is this is just from what the man in
there how to deal with Oh, my reason for showing
this no go ahead.

Speaker 2 (01:30:12):
This is what's going to happen to us in the
UK and in the rest of northwest Europe. We're not
We're not going to get conscripted into a battle against
the countries that are actually invading us. And there's fucking
hundreds of them. Well there's only two hundred countries, but
there's fucking dozens of countries that are invading us. And
we're not going to get conscripted two perhaps stand at

(01:30:36):
the borders of our country and and and divert the
fucking boats. We're not. We're not going to get conscripted
to send away the people who are actually stabbing us
and raping us. We're gonna we're gonna get what these
Ukrainian men got. We're going to be We're just going

(01:30:59):
to have thugs roaming across the country beating the ship
out of us because Russia. Yeah, it's it's this revelation
has only just occurred to me, Like we we thought
the worst thing that could happen was was these various
foreigners roaming across the country and raping our women. Heaven's Tabetsy,

(01:31:24):
But yeah, this is going to come to us, This
this fucking threat narrative against Russia is going to result
in us just getting the ship beaten out of us
in the street by our own government and the thugs
and goons that have been employed to beat the ship

(01:31:44):
out of us while our women are getting rap I
I half laugh there because it's all I can do.
Good Lord, That's that's what's going to happen. Sorry to
carry on with what you are? We going to say?

Speaker 1 (01:32:01):
No, I, You're right. This is all across Europe. Uh
men are under under risk of this because this the
the mass migration is happening, the illegal mass migration is
happening all across Europe everywhere that the government is helping
another country invade your nation quietly and slowly, under under

(01:32:29):
cover of being labeled something that they're not when they
come in. That's it won't be conscription per se. It
won't won't be the military coming to you and saying
we need you to fight and you're going to do it.
It'll be the violence coming to you. And the only

(01:32:50):
way to deal with it is going to be to
roll over or fight back. This man, mister three oh three,
he said he's begging for help. That was that the
voice that you just heard in this video. Let me
see if I can go back to that's a man

(01:33:16):
begging for help because he's being kidnapped by the military
to be forced into war. Though, the reason that I'm
showing you this is because I want you to be mad.
I want you to be enraged. I want you to
consider this. Think about this when you are in debate

(01:33:40):
on social media, when you are listening to people talk
about it on television, when you're voting for politicians, when
you're hearing the news of how the Supreme Court is
handling the National Coalition for Meend's lawsuit to degender the

(01:34:01):
in the hopes that if women are getting drafted, that
the draft will simply become politically inexpedient for the government
and they'll eliminate it. When you're looking at who you
think is okay to put in a position of responsibility

(01:34:24):
for your country, that you're going to afford authority to
in order to meet those responsibilities, knowing that they could
initiate a war and that they could make decisions that
lead to conscription in your country, think about that man.

(01:34:45):
Think about the man with the stitches, Think about the
man in the coffin, Think about the man who disappeared
about the fact that there were boys abducted in this
manner who probably weren't old enough to go into the
military and got conscripted anyway, men who were so old

(01:35:06):
that they had far more salt than pepper in their hair,
men who were beaten for resisting conscription, and let that
fuel your responses, not to the degree that you become

(01:35:29):
incoherent or incapable of arguing from rage rather than from logic,
but to the degree that you have a fire lit
under your butt, which by the way, is kind of
a Missanderic reference in and of itself if you know

(01:35:51):
what it's from. But get inspired to not back down,
to recognize that it is messandric to argue that having
to sign up and agree that you could be conscripted

(01:36:11):
is okay. It's not. Having to sign up and agree
that you can be conscripted is not okay. Having to
sign up when women don't have to sign up is
not okay. Being told that you're a coward who wouldn't
defend your country because you won't sign a piece of

(01:36:34):
paper that says your government can send you anywhere in
the world to fight any war in the world for
any reason. They decide against your will is unreasonable. Being
told that you're a coward who doesn't care about your
friends and neighbors because you disagree that your government should

(01:37:00):
impose conscription when you don't agree with what they're doing
like that, that's bullshit. Nobody with good intentions tells you
that don't let people guilt trip, don't let people mott
bailey you into agreeing to this. This needs to be

(01:37:21):
something that goes through the population like wildfire. Every person
you know should be pissed off about this. Find the
link in the low bar and show people this site.
This is what conscription looks like when a nation decides
that it's desperate for cannon fodder. This is what conscription

(01:37:46):
looks like. This is how my first ancestor on my
dad's side of the family was brought to America. This
is what he was lucky to survive to get here
during a time period when if he had gotten any

(01:38:08):
kind of infection in anyone as one of the cuts
and bruises, he would have died from sepsis. So this
is this is what people need to see.

Speaker 2 (01:38:25):
And bear in mind. Russia just wanted the crime, the
CRIMEA and the Donbass region. They just wanted those areas
of southeast Ukraine that were already populated by ethnic Russians,
Like they would have been happy getting that without any casualties. Yeah,
these men experienced this not because of Russia, but because

(01:38:51):
of the billions that were pumped into their country by US,
by the UK in the US and and and the
tax taxes that were that were stolen from US to
fund this barbarism. Like I'm not talking surrender, but if

(01:39:15):
if there was some kind of compromise reached three years ago,
four years ago, whatever it was, this whole thing could
have been spared. Like to some degree, this was Russia's fault,
and I don't want to talk percentages, but to the

(01:39:40):
to an unspeakably large degree, this this was the fault
of our own governments. They funded this, they they they
made this happen.

Speaker 1 (01:39:52):
There's another thing that well, and.

Speaker 2 (01:39:55):
They didn't achieve anything. By the way, Russia is still
going to take over Crimea and the Dunbass and all that.
All it achieved was the fucking horror that we witnessed
in this show. That's all it did.

Speaker 1 (01:40:08):
And I'm not even showing you the war. I'm just
showing you what the Russian government did to get men
to go to war who didn't want to. There's another
thing to consider here, though, Russia didn't do this during
the first Trump administration. Right, they waited until there was

(01:40:32):
a weakling in office. They waited until there was a
senile old man who had you know, two brain cells
left in his head and they were waving goodbye to
each other before they invaded.

Speaker 2 (01:40:52):
And he happened to have close ties to the Ukraine
mm hmm by.

Speaker 1 (01:40:57):
Way, who's the corruption had had a major effect, and
he was vice president during the administration. He was part
of the administration that genocided Russian nationals in Crimea. So

(01:41:18):
you know, none of this, this all comes full circle.
None of this is independent of the rest of it.
You know, if if the Ukrainian government had not been
able to force this on men, then they would not
have affected so many of them that they'd have been.

(01:41:38):
It would have been over. The result would have been
little or no difference, aside from the fact that a
lot of men are dead trying to defend against it.

(01:41:59):
Told you at the beginning that this would be rage bait.
But you've got to understand when we're talking about conscription
and calling. When I call conscription violence, this is this
is what I'm talking about. Force is always the ultimate

(01:42:21):
threat that is used to enforce it.

Speaker 2 (01:42:26):
And this is all going to get memory hold the
way Yep, the fucking the mass media is not going
to show anyone this. God No, it's all going to
fall into the memory hold like that. There's similar losses
in every fucking proxy war that that that we were
snuck into with all these fucking lies, And the same

(01:42:48):
thing will happen in the next war and the war
after that, and every war. It's going to keep it's
going to keep happening because these wars are driven by
missionry and they are only allowed to happen because of
missonry because they're not even was They're just exercises in
throwing men into the meat grinder just to appease the

(01:43:13):
stadism of it's not even it's not even to do
with territories. Like I said, the territories were already going
to change. They were already bound to change. Yeah, people
can can steal money from taxpayers, so they could beat
the shit out of men and kill them. They'll do

(01:43:34):
it because that's what they get off on. That's all
they get off on well.

Speaker 5 (01:43:39):
And also it's the avoidance of the truth of the situation, right,
you know, if you convince people that there is some
kind of altruistic reason that we're doing these things, then
that's all they'll believe. And if they never see the
actual horrors of what war actually looks like, you know,

(01:44:01):
then of course it's just it's it's pick a side.

Speaker 4 (01:44:07):
I'm on team good. I'm on team more good.

Speaker 5 (01:44:12):
Right, because I'm more morally good than these guys.

Speaker 1 (01:44:18):
And they're always the good guys to somebody and the
bad guys to somebody. And it's never that black and
white in real.

Speaker 4 (01:44:25):
Life, ever, ever, ever.

Speaker 5 (01:44:28):
And what happens in the wake of all that is
the the files of bodies that lay in waste, right,
which are typically the men because you don't see them
dragging these women into these vans. No, that's not going

(01:44:52):
to happen. It's the men that essentially get.

Speaker 4 (01:44:56):
Our our are are.

Speaker 5 (01:45:00):
The the casualties of war.

Speaker 1 (01:45:04):
Yep, stay up. Every single one of those men is
another man's son. Mm hmm. You know, from from my perspective,
every every single one of those men is some mother's
son too. Yeah, you know, I like I if somebody

(01:45:28):
did that to my son, I don't think I want
to live anymore.

Speaker 4 (01:45:34):
Or or there would be hell fire.

Speaker 1 (01:45:36):
Yeah down. I don't know if I could live with
being unable to stop it yet.

Speaker 5 (01:45:43):
No, I would absolutely, I would tear down the walls.

Speaker 4 (01:45:48):
There would be bodies.

Speaker 5 (01:45:49):
Underneath me if they did something like that to my husband,
or my son, or my brother even or my nephew.

Speaker 2 (01:45:58):
Yeah.

Speaker 1 (01:46:00):
And this is this is why, like I said, people
need to see what it really means to use force,
to impose compliance on men, to send them to war
when they don't believe in that war and they don't

(01:46:21):
want to fight in it. And again, I know there's
going to be people in the comments here you're mischaracterizing
the Ukrainian war blah blah blah. No, there's a lot
of people that have been brainwashed into thinking that this
was some black and white heroism, you know, little country

(01:46:43):
against a big country. The Kamala Harris version of the
Russia Ukrainian conflict, and it is definitely significantly more complicated,
just just the fact that at one point there was
a vote and a portion of Ukraine literally voted to

(01:47:09):
secede and join Russia without being under military threat. That
tells you right there, it's not as our government here
in the United States and our military here, or our
military our media here in the United States has been
telling you. The line that you've been getting is bullshit.

(01:47:33):
Our nation, the United States, is guilty of a genocide.
We may not have sent our soldiers to do it,
but having the CIA pay thugs from some other country
to go in and do it isn't any better. It's
still a genocide. And it's still our tax dollars that

(01:47:55):
funded that. It's still our politicians that an initiated that.
That was the Obama administration. HM. And I don't even
remember how many people I read died in that.

Speaker 2 (01:48:18):
But right now that but right now they're pissed off
about a boat full of Venezuelan poison traffickers getting killed
so that they don't poison a million Americans. That's far
more important than the trifling ship we've been talking about
in this show.

Speaker 1 (01:48:34):
Good Lord, you know, I don't want us to be
bombing anybody. I don't want us to send men and
boys to shoot anybody. I want any of that. The
best way to fight the drug war is to compete
with it in a way that the cartels can't win.

(01:49:01):
If people really want to have that stuff, then fine,
manufacture it and sell it in the United States, undercut
them and make it so difficult for them to compete
that they cease to try, and then then tax the

(01:49:22):
shit out of it and designate every red scent of
those taxes to go into a program to treat addicts
so that they will be able to overcome their addiction.

Speaker 4 (01:49:37):
Yeah.

Speaker 5 (01:49:38):
I mean, well, making things illegal has never stopped anyone
from getting those things if they want them.

Speaker 1 (01:49:46):
Yeah, you know, so, and that would paying for their
treatment upfront, and when they're ready to go get it,
they've paid for it in taxes.

Speaker 5 (01:50:00):
Yeah, yeah, I mean, and you know, I don't know
how because anytime you put something like that into the
government's hands, they will find a way to.

Speaker 4 (01:50:14):
Yeah, just usurp it. Like so, you know, I.

Speaker 5 (01:50:21):
Love Weaed, I love Weat. Say what you want to
say about me. I don't care. I fucking love weed.
I will never ever buy weed from a dispensary that
is regulated by the government, because they are what they

(01:50:47):
are doing is is you know, modifying the product. And
it's oh no, it is what's happening. And I just
don't trust the government in anything. I don't trust the
government with my food.

Speaker 1 (01:51:05):
You know, So the FDA hasn't been done a very
good job of being honest about your food.

Speaker 4 (01:51:12):
No, no, I mean.

Speaker 1 (01:51:13):
That you don't. Just the fact though, that most of
the expense associated with drugs, illegal drugs in the United
States is created by the illegality, right correct.

Speaker 2 (01:51:30):
In particular, like the fact that there there's fentanyl in
so many drugs is because they're illegal. It's because people
have to resort to illegal drugs, and so many of
those illegal drugs have been laced with fentanyl for reasons
I can't quite fathom. I guess it's because they get
them from cartels and somewhere along the lines, those cartels

(01:51:53):
has just been padding them out. We're not even padding
them out because fentanyls are very tiny drug. It doesn't
pad them out at all. It just I don't know,
there's there's some nefariousness going on. But if people could
have their drugs tested for whatever else is in them,
which they don't do when they're getting it illegally, because
these people are desperate for drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:52:16):
Well, and also where could you go to get the
testing done? Well, you can get an illegal substance, you
get illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:52:24):
Like off the internet and stuff. There's nothing illegal about
test kits. I mean, I'm sure they track you, but
they you.

Speaker 1 (01:52:30):
Know, well they can you test the drugs with a
test kit. Yes, Okay, I was gonna say, because I
think most people probably don't know that.

Speaker 2 (01:52:41):
No, and they don't and they don't care and they
can't afford it.

Speaker 1 (01:52:45):
Yeah, but if it was, if it was legal, then
it'd be a different story, you know, there'd.

Speaker 2 (01:52:51):
Be just like if it was legal, right, just like.

Speaker 1 (01:52:56):
The legalization of prostitution. It's with prostitutions illegal, somebody that's
forced into it may be afraid to seek help to
get out of it, as opposed to somebody who's in
it voluntarily. They don't need to seek help to get
out of it. But when it's legalized, if someone's forced

(01:53:18):
into it, they don't have to fear that they're going
to get arrested for seeking help to get out of it.
And the same thing is true. I don't know if
people realize there are numerous people in the drug trade
in the United States who did not enter that trade voluntarily.
They were made into drug mules and drug carriers, young

(01:53:44):
drug dealers in their early teen years by older kids
or young adults in gangs in their neighborhoods. They essentially
got drafted by their neighborhood gangs. And it's if you
don't participate, if you decide that you're not going to

(01:54:06):
be a part of that, they don't just say, oh, okay, well,
well we'll leave you alone since join you later. Dude,
you go have fun being functional and shit, no, they
they shoot you, or they do it drive by shooting
on your house and they accidentally kill your five year
old little family. You will family, your grandma, your grandpa,

(01:54:31):
your dog like, or they follow you around and threaten
you over and over again until you join. They're not
there's no innocence in that. But if you have a
system where selling the substance is not illegal, buying the

(01:54:55):
substance is not illegal, possessing the substance is not illegal,
it's a lot harder for somebody to do that to
you because you can go to the cops and say,
I don't want to be part of this, but this
person is trying to force me because that's still illegal,
and you won't get busted for carrying it. You won't
get busted for having been forced into it once or

(01:55:20):
using it once or anything like that, because that part's
not illegal.

Speaker 2 (01:55:26):
What we need is for drugs to be sold privately
so the government is not involved in that particular aspect.
Maybe we can let the government arrest private vendors for
selling shitty drugs or indeed laced drugs. That's how we

(01:55:47):
get over it. Like the fact that drugs are illegal
just means everyone's taking drugs laced with fentanyl.

Speaker 1 (01:55:55):
So they're going to arrest somebody. They should arrest the
people selling and red food coloring. That shit's nasty.

Speaker 2 (01:56:00):
That's a minor example of what we're talking about. But yeah,
but we can't let the government be in charge of
all the drugs because, like Lauren said, they'll fill it
with all kinds of weird shit as well that they
don't have to put in the ingredients list, and that
will probably include fentanyl as well. We should we we

(01:56:20):
should let private companies distribute these things, and if the
government wants to get involved, they can. They can prosecute
people for putting fentanyl in their drugs.

Speaker 1 (01:56:33):
Well, they wouldn't even have to worry, like if this stuff,
if it all became legal and you didn't have to
have a license. You didn't have to do any of that.
The poppy that all forms of opiates, including fentanyl, comes from,
can be grown in the US. Marijuana is called weed

(01:56:58):
because it literally arted out as a weed. It is
a weed. Yeah, obviously it's been cultivated. It's been genetically
altered the same way as genetically modified, the same way
as a vegetables have.

Speaker 2 (01:57:13):
Isn't this the difference between an opiate and an opioid.
Opiates are made from poppies, but opioids are synthesized in
a lapartary.

Speaker 1 (01:57:24):
Versions of yeah, poppy. And the interesting thing is if
you have an allergy to the poppy, it's possible to
have an allergy to the natural derivatives of it, like
codeine and morphine. I'm assuming the others that are natural

(01:57:48):
derivative derivatives opium, opium, heroin, But the synthetics kind of
remember the one vicodin, for instance, might not have the
same effect because they don't have the plant or the
thing you're allergic to from the plant.

Speaker 3 (01:58:07):
I don't know.

Speaker 1 (01:58:08):
I can't even eat poppy seeds without I get itchy
from poppy seeds, and that's not even the same poppy.
But I also the medicines, like if they've I've had
surgeries and they've prescribed coding for me, and we learned
that that's not a good thing, and just say, like,

(01:58:29):
I'm not going to go into anaphylactic shock from it.
You couldn't assassinate me with coding, but you could give
me a really bad night and I would have to
go to the hospital and get medication for hives. It
would suck.

Speaker 2 (01:58:44):
There's a compromise to everything, Like there are some depressants
that the general public can be trusted with, such as alcohol.
We've trusted the general public with alcohol for millennia, and yes,
they fucked themselves up. Sometimes we're still going to trust
them not to do that. There are some stimulants that

(01:59:05):
we will allow the like caffeine.

Speaker 1 (01:59:08):
Uh.

Speaker 2 (01:59:09):
I can't think of many others. But maybe we could
extend it to speed, I mean, because that's what There
are all kinds of speed that are prescribed, like fucking
rittle in and ozembic, Like, there's all manner of drugs
that are just speed. They're given a different fucking name.
And maybe there are some psychedelics that we can allow

(01:59:34):
the public to prescribe to themselves. Can we start with weed?

Speaker 1 (01:59:39):
People like, yeah, I think honestly, it's all.

Speaker 2 (01:59:43):
It's possible, psychedelic, and I think God blessed so many
American states for at least going that far. I'm willing
to read that compromise. We don't have to make acid legal,
but can we make weird legal? Maybe even mushrooms?

Speaker 1 (01:59:58):
I mean that will because it was legal, I think
a lot of people would just not bother with the
other stuff.

Speaker 2 (02:00:04):
Noah, Teenagers in the Netherlands, right, they don't. They don't
tend to smoke weed because because it's considered something that
old people do, so they were, well, I'm allowed to
do it, and it's something old people do, are not
particularly interested. Like, there are two kinds of people who
take illegal drugs, people who take them because they're drugs

(02:00:24):
and people who take them because they're illegal. Correctly, teenagers
take drugs because they're illegal, because they're not allowed to
do it, because they have this rebellious streak. If they
weren't illegal, such as in the Netherlands, they wouldn't take
them as much. It's like swear words, when when when
when you make them taboo, people want to say them

(02:00:47):
mm hmm.

Speaker 1 (02:00:48):
Yeah, but in any case, like all of this, you know,
just think of the contrast between these two subjects. Right here,
we have a government that just cares so much about
human life that they won't even let you use drugs
that are relatively harmless in comparison to some of the

(02:01:12):
stuff that is legal. I've seen more people ruined, like
personally witnessed more people ruin their lives with alcohol than
with I've never met a person that has ruined their
life just on the basis of having smoked weed or
used weed in any of the various ways they have.

(02:01:35):
But I have personally known people that have ruined their
lives with alcohol. And alcohol is legal, we.

Speaker 2 (02:01:45):
Have to consider that capital hear. By the way, yeah,
there are a fun more people drinking alcohol.

Speaker 1 (02:01:52):
And smoking than using weed. But at the same time,
you know, at the same time, I think a part
of it is the difference in the way that the
two are treated like people. I don't see very many
people talking about like binge binging, the way that parties

(02:02:17):
or I don't know, if you've ever seen how it's
done in the US. I know Europeans don't have quite
the same attitude toward alcohol that we have here. You know,
it's not verbot and it's not impolite to use it.
It's not there's not a time of day that's inappropriate
for having some. There are circumstances everywhere that it's inappropriate

(02:02:42):
for having some because you have to be somber and
sober and all that. But but like, I've actually been
castigated by other Americans for having a non alcoholic beer
because it's too early in the day to have a
drink that does not have alcohol in it but is

(02:03:03):
named after a drink that has alcohol in it, because
some weird morality shit.

Speaker 5 (02:03:08):
Right, Well, but you're right, and the way that we
treat alcohol, I mean, think about it. I don't know
how many bars you've been to, but there's not many
that don't also have.

Speaker 4 (02:03:22):
Parking lots yep.

Speaker 5 (02:03:25):
And then so the whole drink and drive thing is like, well,
how did you get to the bar?

Speaker 1 (02:03:31):
How are you going to get exactly?

Speaker 4 (02:03:34):
Exactly?

Speaker 1 (02:03:35):
You know, But so we have a lot of dysfunction
around that. And then as a result, because it is verboten,
you know, those people who do a drug because it's illegal.
Like I grew up in an area where it wasn't
abnormal for people underage to drink, But then you know,

(02:03:55):
when you hit twenty one, even if you've been a
drinker up until then, it's like, oh, drink legally now.
And there's a there's an actual tradition of twenty one
year olds going out and getting completely slammed, just completely
blasted on alcohol. And there's in some of the counties

(02:04:16):
around the county that I grew up in, there's a
tradition brides and grooms when they're getting married, they have
their wedding at the church and then they go bar
hopping for an hour while their guests have or dirus
and an open bar at the reception. And then they

(02:04:37):
show up at the wedding or at the reception and
have a big entrance and stuff like that, and they're
already drunk before they start drinking at the bar. And
there's always a bar at the reception. It's there's always
alcohol at wedding receptions, and it's there's always people that

(02:04:59):
they don't just enjoy a few drinks. They get so
drunk that they can't stand up by themselves and they
can't and it's it's it is a binge thing. And
then the next day they feel like shit because they
don't drink like that all the time. Whereas like most
of the people that I've known that smoke pot will

(02:05:22):
share a joint with other people, they have an amount
that excuse me, you know, they'll get stoned, but they don't.
They don't seem to put themselves into any like comatose
kind of state with it. They just get extremely relaxed
or extremely silly. Except one gal I know that gets

(02:05:44):
extremely angry for some reason on it and don't doesn't
smoke it because of that. Uh And and then the
next day they don't feel like somebody beat them over
the head with a with a twenty pound sledgehammer. Yeah,
and and their livers not damaged, and their kidneys aren't damaged,
and you know they're not They haven't done anything yet. Legal,

(02:06:07):
They probably didn't leave the house.

Speaker 4 (02:06:10):
Yeah, maybe embarrassing.

Speaker 1 (02:06:12):
But I legal. Yeah. Angry girl took all took grabbed
all the all the supplies, the drugs and the snacks
and put them into another room and locked everybody else
out and said these are mine. Nobody's touching it. So
nobody got they all had had a little bit. No,
they all got the munchies and then nobody got to eat, right.

(02:06:37):
So yeah, but yeah, contrast that, right, the government's like, oh,
this is too big and scary. You might get silly
one night with you know, they care about you so
much they have to stop you from from uh, you know,
maybe damaging a few brain cells and not having the
best possible life you could have. Yeah, but then they

(02:06:58):
will do this if you're a man. If you're a man,
they will send a team of people to beat you
into submission, to force you to comply with a system
that will send you to the frontline of a war
where people from another country are going to shoot at you.

Speaker 2 (02:07:17):
Yeah, it'd be much better off if they just gave
them LSD and tried to convince them to join the war.

Speaker 1 (02:07:26):
We're convince them that they were at war and let them,
you know, have some sort of online combat with each other,
and the winning side agrees that or the losing side
agrees that. They'll that the winning side won. If you don't,
please attack us in real life, because we don't want
to go through that for real.

Speaker 2 (02:07:47):
I'm not actually promoting what was essentially the mk Ultra scheme,
by the way, I was joking.

Speaker 1 (02:07:51):
Yeah, yeah, that that is true.

Speaker 2 (02:07:54):
What Ultra was.

Speaker 1 (02:07:57):
That and a few other things. MK, Ultra was pretty horrible.
It's funny to talk about it in the past tense
like it ever.

Speaker 5 (02:08:07):
Ended, right, it's still going on, yes.

Speaker 1 (02:08:12):
But but yeah, so that's essentially that's that's what I want.
I wanted you guys listening to have some AMMO consider
what's being done here and what what conscription really is
in every nation using force to impose compliance on men

(02:08:35):
who don't support a war enough, who aren't motivated to
fight in it, who maybe don't support the cause behind it,
uh to sacrifice their lives.

Speaker 2 (02:08:49):
And to reiterate, in many of these cases, they had
nothing to do with compliance. It was just revenge against
people who wouldn't do it.

Speaker 1 (02:08:57):
Yeah. Yeah, punishment and how that punishment is done ranges
from country to country, but there's always something, and it
always starts with we will use violence to force your compliance.
So conscription. And I somebody in the chat earlier said

(02:09:20):
war is violent. Well, yes, war is violent, and therefore
conscription is violent.

Speaker 3 (02:09:25):
Yep.

Speaker 1 (02:09:26):
The only limitter that can effectively stop your government from
waging war wrongfully against other countries is your government not
being able to force you to comply with conscription. If
they can't convince enough of the public that the war

(02:09:50):
is worth fighting, especially when it's in a foreign country,
then they shouldn't be sending the public to fight the war, agreed.
And in terms of Ukraine, when the population that the

(02:10:14):
soldiers are going to defend has already said no, actually,
we want to join the country that's attacking. We don't
want to be part of the country that's defending us.
Then perhaps, and especially with the public having to be

(02:10:34):
forced into that war, the government should not have that power.
And certainly another government across the ocean should not be
lending its power to that government to force that compliances
as our nation did. So yeah and all, I'm glad

(02:11:00):
that it's over, but I do want you to be
perpetually vigilant against this, and I want people to when
you get into arguments with people, I want you to
show them this. I want you to talk about this.
I want you to point out this is what men

(02:11:21):
are faced with when we talk about selective services, can
conscription and you say, oh, there isn't a draft right now,
there isn't a draft. It doesn't matter because this can
always happen anytime the government decides that it should. They
rewrite the rules the minute they need more men for war.

(02:11:44):
They decide that rules previously that would have exempted you
are no longer in existence. They decide that, well, it
doesn't matter if you can march or not, as long
as you can hold gun, or it doesn't matter if
you can shoot straight or not, as long as you're

(02:12:06):
there to be possibly one of the casualties, so that
somebody who can shoot a gun isn't. I want to
see people convinced enough as to how bad it is
to force men to comply and for women to be

(02:12:28):
exempted and yet still be able to vote to send
men to war, that the people make it so embarrassing
for politicians to continue supporting this type of system that
the politicians will choose to eliminate it. You guys, got

(02:12:51):
anything else to add on top of that?

Speaker 4 (02:12:56):
Good luck in godspeed?

Speaker 5 (02:13:00):
I mean this part, yeah, it's it's just convincing government
is just it's it's it's beyond an uphill battle.

Speaker 1 (02:13:13):
It just feels like.

Speaker 5 (02:13:17):
Something that will never happen because you know, as we know,
all wars are bankers wars and who controls the state.
You know, it's It's not the elected officials that we
complain and bitch about every day. It's the banks, you know,

(02:13:38):
And how do you fight against the banks? How do
you go toe to toe with these people who control
literally every aspect of society.

Speaker 1 (02:13:50):
It's you stand in a populist ravel rouser. They can't buy, correct,
which is why they tried to kill him. Yes, yes, yes.

Speaker 2 (02:14:03):
I feel like I've left a part of my soul
behind tonight. But it's okay. I will rebuild it. And
and yeah, I hate men less. That's all I can say.
I think. I think a lot of these problems stem
from how much everyone hates men. And if they didn't

(02:14:26):
hate men quite so much, a lot of these problems
wouldn't have a bed in the first place. And that
includes bankers, it includes the military industrial complex, and it
includes all the farty things we talk about all the time,
like fucking immigration and dare I say feminism. It all
stems from just how easy it is to hate men.

(02:14:50):
And I'm just sitting here imagining a dare I say,
utopia in which people just I didn't indulge in the
hatred of men quite so much. You may say I'm
a dreamer, but I'm not the only one.

Speaker 1 (02:15:08):
There are many of us.

Speaker 3 (02:15:11):
Yeah.

Speaker 2 (02:15:13):
Us.

Speaker 1 (02:15:15):
So with that, I will say my two co hosts,
this was a lot to ask you guys going through
this with me and and uh, of course Brian in
the background not really getting to talk about it, but uh,
but running the show, and uh to all the listeners.

(02:15:36):
And by the way, some of y'all in the chat
need to stop lobstering because that's some bullshit. And uh, lobstering,
what does that mean? Remember that interview with Jordan Peterson
where what do you mean lobstering is doing what she

(02:15:59):
did when she took something that wasn't the logical conclusion
of what he said and and said, do you mean
do you mean that this? So you're saying this, No
he didn't say that. Yeah, essentially, Uh, but to a

(02:16:21):
to a an utterly ridiculous degree, like bringing up something
that wasn't discussed. Oh so this, this false equivalence should
should never have gone the way that it went in history.
I've seen several of those, and every single one of
them is bullshit.

Speaker 2 (02:16:42):
In the special chat, have we got a huge audience in.

Speaker 1 (02:16:44):
This No, No, it's not in a special chat, it's
in it's in the restraint chat that has all of
our different like YouTube and twitch and everything else that
we're so uh yeah, it's it's regulars. The special chat
is actually not that active. I only see two comments

(02:17:07):
in it.

Speaker 2 (02:17:10):
I'm glad I don't pay attention to any of these chats.
He would only distract me.

Speaker 6 (02:17:14):
Yes, but but yeah, it's kind of like the people
that that argue communism with with me. And uh when
I suggest that able bodied people should not be relying
on government assistance to pay their bills, they're like, so

(02:17:37):
disabled people should just starve.

Speaker 1 (02:17:40):
Noel, I didn't say that. I said nothing of the sort.
So you know, you can't win that way. You just
make yourself look stupid. M hm. But yeah, in any case,
thanks everybody for listening. And uh, by the way, I
still be angry about this.

Speaker 3 (02:18:02):
Show.

Speaker 1 (02:18:02):
This to people get people talking about whether or not
conscription is even valid, whether whether especially gendered conscription. And
remember this is men's historical position in society as the

(02:18:24):
shield between the rest of their communities, their their states,
their nations, and any threat that comes in or any
perceived threat or anything that's in the government's way, right
and uh, and women have never faced that, and as

(02:18:45):
a result, male voting patterns and female voting patterns over
the history of the franchise have been dramatically different. Be angry,
why women shouldn't vote?

Speaker 2 (02:18:59):
Be angry until you get justice. This is what anger
is for. But if you ever do get justice, allow
yourself to become less angry. Yeah, not until you get justice,
and that might take a long time. Ladies and gentlemen,
good luck and god speed.

Speaker 1 (02:19:17):
Speaking of taking a long time, we're going to call
it and to this one and we will see you
next Thursday. We'll also see you on Tuesday. Next Thursday,
we are going to go back to discussing the subject
we were discussing last week, which was the humanitarian Initiative
veil infection, and it's USAID's coup, coup against the federal

(02:19:45):
government that was elected by men, which is.

Speaker 2 (02:19:49):
Not necessarily all that different.

Speaker 1 (02:19:52):
Now in some ways. Now night all y'all, Good night,
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