October 13, 2025 • 14 mins
Are you a responder or a non-responder? Join Cindy and Alison for a discussion about the concept of responders and non-responders and how that impacts early childhood education.
- Check out our website: https://www.howpreschoolteachersdoit.com/
- Be sure to like our Facebook page: https://www.facebook.com/howpreschoolteachersdoit
- Learn more about Cindy's work, including professional development, family education, and consulting opportunities: https://hihello.com/hi/cindyterebush-RXMBKA
Mark as Played
Transcript
Episode Transcript
Available transcripts are automatically generated. Complete accuracy is not guaranteed.
Speaker 1 (00:01):
Welcome to how preschool Teachers do It.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Cindy, I'm Alison, and we have a combined fifty
five years of experience working with children, families, and experts
in early education. We are not random influence. No, we
are not. Whether you are new or have been our
podcast peep since twenty eighteen, we are thrilled you found us.
(00:26):
Welcome back, preschool Peeps, Hi peepe Welcome. Before we get
started with today's topic, we're going to shut out shout
out as we as we do here, how's you do it?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We are shouting out the fine people of New South
Wales and Australia today.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I feel like New South Wales is something that I
know or should know.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
What do?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I feel like I should know that, but I don't
know exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Where it is. That's true, but I know in Australian.
I'm about to ask. You should ask, to be curious.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We are also shouting the next stay out for the
very first time.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Crazy Montana. How have we never shouted out before? But
we're really glad you're listening. If no one in Montana
was listening before, welcome aboard, and even if you are,
we're glad to have you We're always excited to know
where people are listening to us, right, And we hope
that you take the information from this podcast podcast podcast,
(01:26):
I feel like you combine podcasts and class I might have,
which makes sense because that's usually what you're doing on Zoom.
I'm usually teaching a class. Yeah, So we hope that
you take the information from these podcast episodes, which we
know some of you binge. We know it because you
tell us, and that you take it back to your
(01:47):
time with children and in some way respond to it.
How'd you like that for a segway? That is great?
You're so good at that stuff. I'm not. I feel
really good about that one. So we want you to
respond to the things you learn. You know, we were
I don't even remember how we came across this topic,
but people were talking about people who are non responders,
(02:08):
which are basically people who encountered into something new, experience
something new, or somehow I guess could add to the
quality of their life or the life of others, but
they don't. So they have this new information, this new
way that could potentially work, could if they just tried,
(02:28):
but they don't. But they don't, and so therefore they
are classified as non responders. We have in our society, folks, responders,
people who take new information and just are willing to
try it. Right, people who seek or are forced to
(02:50):
do professional development because you have to get your hours
in and don't even try to figure out, well, how
can I take this and use it? True, they are
also non responders. Yes, there are also people who who
spend time with young children. The children are communicating some
sort of want or need and they get ignored non responders. True.
(03:17):
So we wanted to bring this word. It's a word, right,
Not okay, it's not a phrase. Really, it's a word.
We wanted to bring the word non responder to you
because ever since I heard it, whenever I hear things
from people like, very often I facilitate professional development for
organizations and entities, right, so they have someone who engages
(03:41):
with me to do that, and then it's usually like
their job to go and follow up and see what
happened with that information. Right, Like, for example, quality rating
and improvement specialists around the nation, their job is to
then go They they'll say, even like we'll pay for
your professional development, and their job is to go and
see how it was implemented and then they come back
and say they loved it, they think the topic was
(04:02):
great and they loved you. And then I walk into
the program and they haven't done anything. That is an
entire staff full of non responder responders. But I also
have people who say to me, like, I implemented what
you said and it worked, but the teacher next door
is like so hesitant. And so what we want to
do is take our responders and have them encourage the
(04:23):
non responders. Because honestly, when you know something and you
know how to do it better, and you know how
to do it more appropriately, and you know how to
do it even if you're unsure, but someone has told
you this is research based and this can be of benefit,
please don't be a non responder.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
But I feel like if you are a non responder,
especially with professional development kind of things, it's really hard
to Like you're saying, we want the people who are
responders to encourage the non responders, and I'm saying that
(05:02):
if you sitting in a professional development where it says, hey,
this is an expert in the field, this is a
research based thing. Your principle or your director wants you
to do it, and you're still not doing it, there's
no there's no changing that person. I feel like they're
they're stuck in their non responding ways.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Some people need time, yes, and proof. They need the
teacher next door to do it, but I to see
it works yeah, or or they need a majority of
the staff to do it so that they're the.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Outing has to be a majority. Like so if they're
seeing one teacher do it and they're like, oh, yeah, cool,
that works for your class because your class is different
than mine, or you're younger than me and your personality
is different, Okay, yeah, but what I'm doing is working
in my class.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They just have to be the outlier.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yes, they have to see a majority do it and
it work for them to be like, oh wait, maybe
there's something to this, Maybe I should try this, because
I think if it's just one that they're seeing, they're
gonna be like, oh see, no, but all the other
classes are still like me, non responding and we're doing
it fine and it's right.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I think it has to be like a whole culture
change almost. I just think being a non responder is
not an option, And I want you to think about
that word responder. Can imagine this for a second. We
talk all the time about first responders.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I was just thinking this, like, do you really want
a person who's working on an ambulance to be a
non responder when you're having an emergency at your house?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And children who are highly emotional or having an emergency.
Families who are worried about their children in some way
are having an emergency. So this we're like going down
the same path, right, So we have these first responders, Like,
let's say you need attention from a first responder, like
fire police. What are ambulance? Fire police? I left somebody
(06:49):
out medical something.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, that's ambulance, ambulance, fire police. That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't know. But we digressed. You disappeared off the
screen because I couldn't help myself, all right, So we
had like what they call a breen fart. We did.
I'm hooking up hold on everybody. We're digressing, but I can't.
I can't even You know, there are people who are
fans of this podcast who tell us that they love
(07:18):
when we do these very human things that we're doing
right now.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So here you go, real people with real life personality.
She's looking it up on on the iPhone right now.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
First Responders include include I'm not the only one. Fire ready, firefighters,
law enforcement paramedics, and emergency emergency medical technicians or EMTs. Yeah, firefighters,
paramedic and EMT are different, yes, but I forget. And
(07:49):
emergency dispatchers, Oh yeah, you're okay. So let's imagine for
a minute, you need the attention of a first responder
and you call dispatch. You call dispatch and they're like.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
How about we don't respond right now because I'm busy,
or or I'm a little afraid to contact the first
responders again because I just contacted one.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So okay, So we're not going to respond. When we're
working with children or when we're raising children know who
we are in their lives, first responders, So we need
to always be responsive. And one of the ways that
we're responsive is even though they said to you you
are required to attend this professional development session. You need
the hours you need, the topic you need, or the
(08:38):
program needs you to do it. So even though you're
sitting there, like we all have, frankly thinking I'm never
getting these two hours of my life back. You need
to figure out how you can take I just made myself.
You need to figure out I've thought it you need
to last you need to figure out how I can
(08:59):
find some thing in this that I can respond.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
To, because there's always something like and I'm not saying
you got to take the entire two hours and use
the entire two hours, okay, but there's always something in there. Yes,
maybe it's a little tidbit, maybe it's a little like
something just that you're already doing, but it's just a
different spin on it or a different way to do it.
I mean, there's always something you can get out of
(09:22):
it if you're looking to get something out of it, correct,
But I think a lot of people are not looking
to get something out of it. I think they're sitting there.
They're waiting to be like, Okay, give me a certificate,
let me get out of here. I'm I'm worried about
like okay, because.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Like, but the problem the problem with that is the
stuff I gotta do. Why am I here?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
This is That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But the problem with that is that if they have
hired a decent professional development provider, which isn't if okay,
I'll give you that there's but if they have hired
a decent one, then there is something for you to do.
There is an action plan for PASTER. When we are
participating in professional development. One of the things that I
always do, even when even when I'm thinking, oh, I
(10:06):
just have to do this to qualify for this thing,
it's two hours of my life I'm never getting back.
Even then, I make sure I have note taking materials
because they're bound to say something that stands out to
me and I can bring that back. Folks, if you
bring one thing back, you are not a non responder. Yeah, right,
one thing is all you need. Yes, you know, if
(10:28):
you have a family education program that you're going to
and you're going in there thinking they're gonna teach me
things to do with my children that I've never done
before and I don't want to do because it's not
part of how I was raised. And I'm not doing
what they say. I don't care what they say. I've
heard very negative things about this. You're not gonna you're
gonna be a non responder because if they've gotten someone
(10:51):
who is halfway decent at what they do, there is
a nugget, folks.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I'll get there.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
There's always a nugget that you can take right and
go on, and then I'll go.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, I was also thinking there's people that purposely sign
up for these things, right, they pay their own money,
they seek out that topic, correct, and then they still.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Don't take anything out of it. It's like, then, why
did you bother paying for it? It's very true, but why,
like because who knows why? I mean, I've honestly, I
have facilitated sessions for families that were court ordered. Okay,
that's yes, sometimes the parenting classes.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I'm talking about the people, not the people who are
core ordered, not the people who are like, oh, I
have to sit through this because my principal says I
have to. I'm talking about the ones that like seek
out the classes. You have to be willing to respond.
And you know, response doesn't have to I know, change
is hard. Response doesn't have to be huge.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It can be a little step you're gonna take and
go and do so that you're not a non responder.
And it's kind of like this too. When children are
just struggling in some way, or families their adults are
struggling in some way, if we choose to ignore that
we are non responders, you have to do something.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You have to do something like I try to like
compare it to like.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Medical That's a really good comparison because how frustrating is
it when a doctor looks at you and says it's
your you're you're just nervous.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
This has happened in my real life. So yeah, like
they'll they'll they'll dismiss you. Right, But if you have,
like like I've had some serious medical stuff happen in
my life within the last year, right, So like if
I had a.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Doctor who was like, well, we're not gonna We're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Do that, even though there's like twenty twenty five technology
and all these new things, Let's do it like we
did it in nineteen eighty, right, would you trust that doctor?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No? No, I'd been walking out of there so fast.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Be like, sign me up to somebody who knows what
twenty twenty five medical technology is about, like all the
new techniques, all the news, you.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's like, would why are people allowing this to happen
in the Edahesia world where you walk into a classroom
and it's still like it's nineteen eight.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh, I've walked into today. I know you have where
I think I didn't realize I went through a time portal?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes, why is that acceptable and still happening today when
you if you walked into a doctor's office, there is
absolutely no way that you would allow that in your life.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That is still happening today because human beings, some human
beings are so intrinsically afraid of change, and they're afraid
that if they do change, then what they're saying to
the world is I was wrong before. You're not saying
I was wrong before. You're just saying I didn't know.
I didn't I didn't. Now I know. When you know
you have to do right, you must so go back
(13:44):
and think about non responding and the people who may
have been non responsive to you. Yes, how much you
want people to respond to you, and how much we
need to be able to be willing to respond for
the betterment of the children and families who we raise,
serve whatever it is we're doing with them. Right, I
hope you'll think about that. And right now we're going
(14:05):
to respond to some weather that we're having while we
record by stopping the recording to ensure that this gets saved. Yes,
that's true, because we don't know what's gonna happen. All right,
All right, preschool peeps, we will catch you next Time
on the podcast
Welcome to how preschool Teachers do It.
Speaker 2 (00:03):
I'm Cindy, I'm Alison, and we have a combined fifty
five years of experience working with children, families, and experts
in early education. We are not random influence. No, we
are not. Whether you are new or have been our
podcast peep since twenty eighteen, we are thrilled you found us.
(00:26):
Welcome back, preschool Peeps, Hi peepe Welcome. Before we get
started with today's topic, we're going to shut out shout
out as we as we do here, how's you do it?
Speaker 1 (00:39):
We are shouting out the fine people of New South
Wales and Australia today.
Speaker 2 (00:43):
I feel like New South Wales is something that I
know or should know.
Speaker 3 (00:48):
What do?
Speaker 1 (00:48):
I feel like I should know that, but I don't
know exactly.
Speaker 2 (00:52):
Where it is. That's true, but I know in Australian.
I'm about to ask. You should ask, to be curious.
Speaker 1 (00:59):
We are also shouting the next stay out for the
very first time.
Speaker 2 (01:03):
Crazy Montana. How have we never shouted out before? But
we're really glad you're listening. If no one in Montana
was listening before, welcome aboard, and even if you are,
we're glad to have you We're always excited to know
where people are listening to us, right, And we hope
that you take the information from this podcast podcast podcast,
(01:26):
I feel like you combine podcasts and class I might have,
which makes sense because that's usually what you're doing on Zoom.
I'm usually teaching a class. Yeah, So we hope that
you take the information from these podcast episodes, which we
know some of you binge. We know it because you
tell us, and that you take it back to your
(01:47):
time with children and in some way respond to it.
How'd you like that for a segway? That is great?
You're so good at that stuff. I'm not. I feel
really good about that one. So we want you to
respond to the things you learn. You know, we were
I don't even remember how we came across this topic,
but people were talking about people who are non responders,
(02:08):
which are basically people who encountered into something new, experience
something new, or somehow I guess could add to the
quality of their life or the life of others, but
they don't. So they have this new information, this new
way that could potentially work, could if they just tried,
(02:28):
but they don't. But they don't, and so therefore they
are classified as non responders. We have in our society, folks, responders,
people who take new information and just are willing to
try it. Right, people who seek or are forced to
(02:50):
do professional development because you have to get your hours
in and don't even try to figure out, well, how
can I take this and use it? True, they are
also non responders. Yes, there are also people who who
spend time with young children. The children are communicating some
sort of want or need and they get ignored non responders. True.
(03:17):
So we wanted to bring this word. It's a word, right,
Not okay, it's not a phrase. Really, it's a word.
We wanted to bring the word non responder to you
because ever since I heard it, whenever I hear things
from people like, very often I facilitate professional development for
organizations and entities, right, so they have someone who engages
(03:41):
with me to do that, and then it's usually like
their job to go and follow up and see what
happened with that information. Right, Like, for example, quality rating
and improvement specialists around the nation, their job is to
then go They they'll say, even like we'll pay for
your professional development, and their job is to go and
see how it was implemented and then they come back
and say they loved it, they think the topic was
(04:02):
great and they loved you. And then I walk into
the program and they haven't done anything. That is an
entire staff full of non responder responders. But I also
have people who say to me, like, I implemented what
you said and it worked, but the teacher next door
is like so hesitant. And so what we want to
do is take our responders and have them encourage the
(04:23):
non responders. Because honestly, when you know something and you
know how to do it better, and you know how
to do it more appropriately, and you know how to
do it even if you're unsure, but someone has told
you this is research based and this can be of benefit,
please don't be a non responder.
Speaker 4 (04:42):
But I feel like if you are a non responder,
especially with professional development kind of things, it's really hard
to Like you're saying, we want the people who are
responders to encourage the non responders, and I'm saying that
(05:02):
if you sitting in a professional development where it says, hey,
this is an expert in the field, this is a
research based thing. Your principle or your director wants you
to do it, and you're still not doing it, there's
no there's no changing that person. I feel like they're
they're stuck in their non responding ways.
Speaker 2 (05:17):
Some people need time, yes, and proof. They need the
teacher next door to do it, but I to see
it works yeah, or or they need a majority of
the staff to do it so that they're the.
Speaker 1 (05:31):
Outing has to be a majority. Like so if they're
seeing one teacher do it and they're like, oh, yeah, cool,
that works for your class because your class is different
than mine, or you're younger than me and your personality
is different, Okay, yeah, but what I'm doing is working
in my class.
Speaker 2 (05:45):
They just have to be the outlier.
Speaker 1 (05:46):
Yes, they have to see a majority do it and
it work for them to be like, oh wait, maybe
there's something to this, Maybe I should try this, because
I think if it's just one that they're seeing, they're
gonna be like, oh see, no, but all the other
classes are still like me, non responding and we're doing
it fine and it's right.
Speaker 2 (06:04):
I think it has to be like a whole culture
change almost. I just think being a non responder is
not an option, And I want you to think about
that word responder. Can imagine this for a second. We
talk all the time about first responders.
Speaker 1 (06:18):
I was just thinking this, like, do you really want
a person who's working on an ambulance to be a
non responder when you're having an emergency at your house?
Speaker 2 (06:25):
And children who are highly emotional or having an emergency.
Families who are worried about their children in some way
are having an emergency. So this we're like going down
the same path, right, So we have these first responders, Like,
let's say you need attention from a first responder, like
fire police. What are ambulance? Fire police? I left somebody
(06:49):
out medical something.
Speaker 1 (06:51):
No, that's ambulance, ambulance, fire police. That's it.
Speaker 2 (06:58):
I don't know. But we digressed. You disappeared off the
screen because I couldn't help myself, all right, So we
had like what they call a breen fart. We did.
I'm hooking up hold on everybody. We're digressing, but I can't.
I can't even You know, there are people who are
fans of this podcast who tell us that they love
(07:18):
when we do these very human things that we're doing
right now.
Speaker 4 (07:21):
So here you go, real people with real life personality.
She's looking it up on on the iPhone right now.
Speaker 2 (07:27):
First Responders include include I'm not the only one. Fire ready, firefighters,
law enforcement paramedics, and emergency emergency medical technicians or EMTs. Yeah, firefighters,
paramedic and EMT are different, yes, but I forget. And
(07:49):
emergency dispatchers, Oh yeah, you're okay. So let's imagine for
a minute, you need the attention of a first responder
and you call dispatch. You call dispatch and they're like.
Speaker 5 (08:06):
How about we don't respond right now because I'm busy,
or or I'm a little afraid to contact the first
responders again because I just contacted one.
Speaker 2 (08:15):
So okay, So we're not going to respond. When we're
working with children or when we're raising children know who
we are in their lives, first responders, So we need
to always be responsive. And one of the ways that
we're responsive is even though they said to you you
are required to attend this professional development session. You need
the hours you need, the topic you need, or the
(08:38):
program needs you to do it. So even though you're
sitting there, like we all have, frankly thinking I'm never
getting these two hours of my life back. You need
to figure out how you can take I just made myself.
You need to figure out I've thought it you need
to last you need to figure out how I can
(08:59):
find some thing in this that I can respond.
Speaker 1 (09:01):
To, because there's always something like and I'm not saying
you got to take the entire two hours and use
the entire two hours, okay, but there's always something in there. Yes,
maybe it's a little tidbit, maybe it's a little like
something just that you're already doing, but it's just a
different spin on it or a different way to do it.
I mean, there's always something you can get out of
(09:22):
it if you're looking to get something out of it, correct,
But I think a lot of people are not looking
to get something out of it. I think they're sitting there.
They're waiting to be like, Okay, give me a certificate,
let me get out of here. I'm I'm worried about
like okay, because.
Speaker 2 (09:37):
Like, but the problem the problem with that is the
stuff I gotta do. Why am I here?
Speaker 1 (09:41):
This is That's what I think.
Speaker 2 (09:43):
But the problem with that is that if they have
hired a decent professional development provider, which isn't if okay,
I'll give you that there's but if they have hired
a decent one, then there is something for you to do.
There is an action plan for PASTER. When we are
participating in professional development. One of the things that I
always do, even when even when I'm thinking, oh, I
(10:06):
just have to do this to qualify for this thing,
it's two hours of my life I'm never getting back.
Even then, I make sure I have note taking materials
because they're bound to say something that stands out to
me and I can bring that back. Folks, if you
bring one thing back, you are not a non responder. Yeah, right,
one thing is all you need. Yes, you know, if
(10:28):
you have a family education program that you're going to
and you're going in there thinking they're gonna teach me
things to do with my children that I've never done
before and I don't want to do because it's not
part of how I was raised. And I'm not doing
what they say. I don't care what they say. I've
heard very negative things about this. You're not gonna you're
gonna be a non responder because if they've gotten someone
(10:51):
who is halfway decent at what they do, there is
a nugget, folks.
Speaker 1 (10:55):
I'll get there.
Speaker 2 (10:56):
There's always a nugget that you can take right and
go on, and then I'll go.
Speaker 1 (11:03):
Well, I was also thinking there's people that purposely sign
up for these things, right, they pay their own money,
they seek out that topic, correct, and then they still.
Speaker 3 (11:14):
Don't take anything out of it. It's like, then, why
did you bother paying for it? It's very true, but why,
like because who knows why? I mean, I've honestly, I
have facilitated sessions for families that were court ordered. Okay,
that's yes, sometimes the parenting classes.
Speaker 1 (11:34):
I'm talking about the people, not the people who are
core ordered, not the people who are like, oh, I
have to sit through this because my principal says I
have to. I'm talking about the ones that like seek
out the classes. You have to be willing to respond.
And you know, response doesn't have to I know, change
is hard. Response doesn't have to be huge.
Speaker 2 (11:52):
It can be a little step you're gonna take and
go and do so that you're not a non responder.
And it's kind of like this too. When children are
just struggling in some way, or families their adults are
struggling in some way, if we choose to ignore that
we are non responders, you have to do something.
Speaker 1 (12:09):
You have to do something like I try to like
compare it to like.
Speaker 2 (12:14):
Medical That's a really good comparison because how frustrating is
it when a doctor looks at you and says it's
your you're you're just nervous.
Speaker 1 (12:25):
This has happened in my real life. So yeah, like
they'll they'll they'll dismiss you. Right, But if you have,
like like I've had some serious medical stuff happen in
my life within the last year, right, So like if
I had a.
Speaker 2 (12:36):
Doctor who was like, well, we're not gonna We're not gonna.
Speaker 1 (12:38):
Do that, even though there's like twenty twenty five technology
and all these new things, Let's do it like we
did it in nineteen eighty, right, would you trust that doctor?
Speaker 2 (12:48):
No? No, I'd been walking out of there so fast.
Speaker 1 (12:51):
Be like, sign me up to somebody who knows what
twenty twenty five medical technology is about, like all the
new techniques, all the news, you.
Speaker 2 (12:58):
Know what I mean.
Speaker 1 (12:59):
It's like, would why are people allowing this to happen
in the Edahesia world where you walk into a classroom
and it's still like it's nineteen eight.
Speaker 2 (13:08):
Oh, I've walked into today. I know you have where
I think I didn't realize I went through a time portal?
Speaker 1 (13:13):
Yes, why is that acceptable and still happening today when
you if you walked into a doctor's office, there is
absolutely no way that you would allow that in your life.
Speaker 2 (13:23):
That is still happening today because human beings, some human
beings are so intrinsically afraid of change, and they're afraid
that if they do change, then what they're saying to
the world is I was wrong before. You're not saying
I was wrong before. You're just saying I didn't know.
I didn't I didn't. Now I know. When you know
you have to do right, you must so go back
(13:44):
and think about non responding and the people who may
have been non responsive to you. Yes, how much you
want people to respond to you, and how much we
need to be able to be willing to respond for
the betterment of the children and families who we raise,
serve whatever it is we're doing with them. Right, I
hope you'll think about that. And right now we're going
(14:05):
to respond to some weather that we're having while we
record by stopping the recording to ensure that this gets saved. Yes,
that's true, because we don't know what's gonna happen. All right,
All right, preschool peeps, we will catch you next Time
on the podcast
Popular Podcasts
Stuff You Should Know
If you've ever wanted to know about champagne, satanism, the Stonewall Uprising, chaos theory, LSD, El Nino, true crime and Rosa Parks, then look no further. Josh and Chuck have you covered.
Dateline NBC
Current and classic episodes, featuring compelling true-crime mysteries, powerful documentaries and in-depth investigations. Follow now to get the latest episodes of Dateline NBC completely free, or subscribe to Dateline Premium for ad-free listening and exclusive bonus content: DatelinePremium.com
CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist
It’s 1996 in rural North Carolina, and an oddball crew makes history when they pull off America’s third largest cash heist. But it’s all downhill from there. Join host Johnny Knoxville as he unspools a wild and woolly tale about a group of regular ‘ol folks who risked it all for a chance at a better life. CrimeLess: Hillbilly Heist answers the question: what would you do with 17.3 million dollars? The answer includes diamond rings, mansions, velvet Elvis paintings, plus a run for the border, murder-for-hire-plots, and FBI busts.