April 2, 2024 • 60 mins
Un programa que nos sumerge en la riqueza cultural de la comunidad afrodescendiente en Colombia. En el episodio de hoy hablaremos con los Coordinadores Regionales sobre las perspectivas afro en los planes de desarrollo.
Adicional también damos la bienvenida a los nuevos coordinadores regionales que se unirán a la estructura de la Conferencia Nacional de Organizaciones Afrocolombianas (C.N.O.A.).
En esta nueva emisión del programa radial, buscamos explorar y reflexionar sobre los planes de desarrollo en Colombia para el período 2022-2026 desde una perspectiva diversa y enriquecedora. En este espacio, contaremos con la compañía de Rayza de la Hoz Coordinadora Regional Caribe; Secretaria Operativa Tonga C.N.O.A. La Guajira, Maribel Miranda Coordinadora Regional Pacífico; Secretaria Operativa Tonga C.N.O.A. Cauca Uafroc, Mario Martínez Coordinador Regional Centros y Valles Interandinos; Secretario Operativa Tonga C.N.O.A. Valle de Aburrá, con ellos exploraremos y detallaremos temas como las políticas, programas y proyectos que están moldeando el futuro del país, con especial énfasis en aquellos que tienen un impacto significativo en las comunidades afrodescendientes.
Adicional también damos la bienvenida a los nuevos coordinadores regionales que se unirán a la estructura de la Conferencia Nacional de Organizaciones Afrocolombianas (C.N.O.A.).
En esta nueva emisión del programa radial, buscamos explorar y reflexionar sobre los planes de desarrollo en Colombia para el período 2022-2026 desde una perspectiva diversa y enriquecedora. En este espacio, contaremos con la compañía de Rayza de la Hoz Coordinadora Regional Caribe; Secretaria Operativa Tonga C.N.O.A. La Guajira, Maribel Miranda Coordinadora Regional Pacífico; Secretaria Operativa Tonga C.N.O.A. Cauca Uafroc, Mario Martínez Coordinador Regional Centros y Valles Interandinos; Secretario Operativa Tonga C.N.O.A. Valle de Aburrá, con ellos exploraremos y detallaremos temas como las políticas, programas y proyectos que están moldeando el futuro del país, con especial énfasis en aquellos que tienen un impacto significativo en las comunidades afrodescendientes.
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four countries inhabited by the groups Balanga, Cueno, Caraballillos, lucumi Arara,
Ashanti and many more villages, warriors, thinkers, farmers, miners, ranchers
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on my peace more special greetings toour secretaries and operating secretaries of the seventeen
tons of the dinner in the differentdepartments of the country, to our director
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Mario Castro, in the master's degree of control, Nelson Duarte,
and who speaks Mayo Rivas Molina,remember to follow me on Facebook as Mayo
Rivas Molina. It is a pleasurefor us to present today our co-
team, Father Executive Secretary, EmigioCuesta Pino, Father Welcome, Good morning,
Thank you, May and special greetingsto all the people who listen to
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us through this medium as we werewith them so much. It is a
pleasure for us to be here today, to introduce the new regional coordinators who
will join the structure of the NationalConference of Afro- Colombian Organizations anoa incorporating
these leaderships represents a significant step towardsthe diversity of our organization, as well
as the advancement of the rights andwell- being of the Afro- Colombian
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Community in all regions of the fathercountry. What do you think if you
give us before introducing the new regionalcoordinators, you give us as a brief
introduction to who they are and whythis coordination is created. Thank you,
Major, and welcome to the compañerasand compañero who are members of the O
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- CNE now are secretaries and operatingsecretaries and are now integrated with the role
of regional coordinators. Regional coordinators whatthis is. I think the organizations have
to go down. Yes, anda collective thought organization, because you have
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to go looking at how you thinkcollectively, so the cn What you are
doing is as well diversifying as decisionmaking, diversifying the thinking that those who
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think about cn We were suddenly veryfocused on the executive secretariat. We are
now proposing to implement as these regionalcoordinations, so that among the four we
can make better decisions and better conductthe CN and thus constitute a collective coordination
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of our convergence of our organization.In addition, it is a way to
be closer to a coordinator, aregional coordinator, is closer to the secretaries
and operating secretaries and can better implementas our mandates of arambé or General Assembly
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at the regional level. And Ithink that also the scope and impact of
the organization on the things it does, because it is much better. That
is why we are here as implementingthis overall coordination and including regional coordination.
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And this is divided into three Caribbeanregional coordinations, inter- Andean and peaceful
valleys. The person who is goingto introduce himself right now is Mario Eres,
the center coordinator and several inter-Andeans. Welcome, Mario Well,
good morning. I am María AlfredoMartínez Vera, an Afro- Colombian social
and cultural manager and I do incoordination with two other colleagues, the Collegiate
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Operational Secretariat of the Tongacianovaalle Urra andCortino, as you said, the region
of inter- Atlantic centers and valleys. In our coordination there are five tonsas,
which is the Tonga Uravada Arien,coordinated by Father Meil that the Tonga
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Magdalena, Medium by Professor Luis Rodríguez, the Tonga Magdalena, Center by Gloria
Palacios, the Tonga District by Albanelli. Mine and I come back and repeat,
the tonga is new, go toUrraso. Five more or less.
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In this coordination of centres and inter- Andean centres and valleys, we are
cohesive ninety- three organizations, Afroorganizations among grassroots organizations in new forms and
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organizational expression, collective networks. That' s the central coordination and inter-
Andean valleys. Thank you, MarioRaiza de la Voz, who is in
charge of coordinating the Caribbean region helloMayo. Very good morning to you to
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the entire team of work, ofcommunications from Lancenius to the people who listen
to us footprints from Africania. Veryhappy to be here in this space with
my companions and my companions and myname is Raia de la Os Pérez,
an Afro- Atira woman. Forabout seven years I' ve been participating
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in the spaces with Senior. Ibelieve that my leadership has also had the
organizational support of the national competence ofAfro- Colombian organizations and precisely in that
exercise and giving as continuity to theprocesses that are carried out for the organizations
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and the different organizational expressions of theblack communities. At some point I was
staffed and I was also delegated asthe operational secretary of the Department of La
Guajira. Being there, then,let' s say that I have about
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two or three years of building thisexercise and last year received the invitation from
colleagues who are part of the Caribbeanregional. It is also to be able
to coordinate in company with Pacific.Another inter- Andean valley is the coordination
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of the Caribbean region. The Caribbeanregion is currently made up of six tonsas,
one plays for each department and let' s say that here in the
department of La Guaira is the AguanilFoundation, there is the Community Council Machacahui
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Lole. There is also the OrganizationAfrica on my land, which is more
specifically to the south of the department. And well, we are also in
Cesar, Magdalena, Córdoba, Atlánticoand Bolívar, for whom I extend a
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very special greeting, very fraternal,very happy and proud to be part of
this process. Thank you so much, Raiza, and we' re closing
this triad. Or Maribel Miranda,who is the coordinator of the peaceful region.
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Maribel welcome, good morning to all, pleasure to greet all who hear
us as well and, as mycompanions rightly said, I had the honor
of that sphere chosen for this greatprocess. I count on five wonderful warriors
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for this coordination. In Buenaventura,with Glenda Thinklin, with Emilienneida in Tu
Maco, Connora in Chocó, withVanetza and finally Maribel in Uafro. They
are co- wives, warriors thatwe want to give everything and we want
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to show that we can be unitedenough to unite that we can at the
same time. I am the operationalsecretary of TONGA, or Afrotcauca, a
tonga that has seen me grow professionallyand has seen me believe in each of
the processes. Similarly, I thankthe Afro- Colombian National Conference for also
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placing my name and thank you verymuch for inviting me. Well already,
after this brief summary that they arethe secretaries, we will continue our program,
not without first telling our hibernauts thatwe are going to have a series
of interspersed programs to talk in depthabout the secretariats, the operating secret,
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the executive secretariats of the regional coordinators, talk exactly what is being done in
each region and how they are joiningefforts between the tonsas and the organizations of
the ceno, because today the programis going to have both long and wide
parent. After this introductory guide,how about we start talking to the secretaries,
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what is their vision for development,the strengthening of the Afro- Colombian
community in their specific Mario region.Vision is a bit like starting from what
we have. It' s likediscovering, identifying, focusing basically on what
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we have, what we have andfrom that, starting to build as the
vision of the future where we wantto go. Fundamentally, the vision that
we have, for in tonsas let' s say, is that we must
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start from an exercise where, withour resources, we take the decisions ourselves
and from those decisions, so,try to generate that the Colombian State,
through its governments, territorial and nationalgovernment, supports the decision of the tonsas
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and the organizations that are part of, obviously, the TONGA and the cenora.
So a little bit of that whatyou call self- development or new
development, and the vision a littlebit is oriented towards that. How to
reduce, how to confront, howto prevent structural racism from continuing to direct,
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let us say, the fate ofthe population af how to counteract from
what is now called antiracism, towork a vision of its own fundamentally is
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based on those potentialities that each organizationhas, based on the conditions offered by
each territory and based on the organizationaldynamics, to be able to project that
vision of the future that, ultimately, has to propend is for the general
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well- being of the Afro population. But in essence it is how we
are going to counter structural racism,institutional rasterism, which would obviously be manifested
in the part of the budgets,the part of the allocation of financial resources,
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so that the Afro community itself,from its vision of the future,
from its cultural perception, from itsorganizational dynamics, from its technical and technological
potentials, can achieve its own development. That' s a bit like the
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vision we have in the regions.That is why normivity says or speaks of
the differential ethnic approach. Although thereis a national vision of development, there
is a territorial vision of development,there must also be a population vision of
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development, and that is what iscalled non- development. Or Mario,
thank you so much for as muchas we do for getting in tune with
what we want and, lastly,what we drive. Riza or Maribel,
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val of you would like to sharewith us, with us, with us,
as your vision, in this accompaniment, in this impulse to the Afro
communities of the region. Well Father, I think Mario did as a very
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important introduction to being able to speakalso about the realities that we live in
the territory and, specifically as ofthe vision, as a vision that we,
as Black people in the Caribbean,have, to think of ourselves from
our autonomy, from the autonomy ofour communities, from the community councils,
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from the organizations, from the differentpressures, but also to recognize ourselves Yes,
it is very important to recognize ourselvesas a Black people of the Caribbean
and that people are proud of whothey are, where we are from,
who we are. To recognize whatour territory has, to recognize what are
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the historical debts that the State hasto our territory, our territory as a
place that we inhabit, but alsowe as individuals, as individuals and also
as a collective of people. Andit seems to me that is super important
when we talk, for example,about the Caribbean, because while there is
a national imagination that the national interestthat, for example, departments like Magdalena,
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like a Guajira, like Cesar,are rich territories and ins say in
agriculture are fertile lands, we haverivers seas. We have not been enunciated
as a black people and other thingscan be highlighted from our territories. When
I say recognize, I also meanto see each other, us and us.
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I think that this is a veryimportant step to identify ourselves as a
Black people, because precisely in thatline of the ed no development that were
the ones that were asking us alittle mario was to think also how to
make visible that we are here,how to make visible that we have been
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historically here and from there, aimingtowards development, but a development that is
a development for our peoples, fromthe rural of the urban, from the
digital, since they guarantee the rightsof the Black people and therefore also the
rights of our territory. And Ibelieve that this is built on collective work,
on the basis of dialogue, onthe basis of discourse, on the
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basis of formation, so that wecan recognize what are those rights that we
have as black people. As regionalcoordinators we have also sat down to think
about how we want, that thisprocess is due, how we want and
who we want to reach. Andfor them too we have had to think
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from our diversities, because the Blackpeople are also diverse. So to recognize
what are the problems that each oneof us lives in our regions, particularly
we in the Caribbean, which iswhat concerns me in this case. I
think it goes in tune with everythingthe other regions think about, and it
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' s how we' re goingto walk, where we' re walking
in search of our development, butabove all, defending our rights in the
company of who we' re goingto walk there that we' ve been
walking for a long time. Andfinally, I think that one of the
most important things is to think aboutourselves respecting our worldview, our orality,
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our practices, customs and the productionof knowledge. I say it over there
so we can knit. Let's go knitting. Thank you, Raisa,
I would also go to the wordMaribel and good. I believe that
this is a right, the rightthat we have to think of ourselves as
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a people as organizations, as communities. And so Maribel is very important,
as well, what is your visionof the development and strengthening of the Afro
people there, in the Pacific region, What should we, what should we,
we, continue to work to pushforward this process in which we have
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embarked. Well, as my colleaguessay, and without saying all of a
sudden the same is knowing and recognizingwhat they are capable of of our peoples,
what our peoples are for, whatour peoples want. To talk about
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development in our Pacific peoples is totalk about guarantees, and I am not
talking about economic guarantees, I amnot talking about a guarantee of trust,
of creating, knitting, uniting,modifying, suddenly what one day was damaged
and starting again that each of ourcustom that leads us to give Colombia a
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capacity for alliance, a capacity forunion that also speaks of development in the
peaceful, is to see how eachof our organizations has something magnificent to show.
As my partner Raiza said, somecan show orality, others can show
their resinfication processes, others can showfather. I do not know if we
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continue to make progress on these issuesand to face the new challenges that coordination
now has. It is also beautiful, but it is also very complex in
that order of ideas. We wouldlike to know what these challenges are that
are anticipated to be faced as regionalcoordinators and how they are addressed. For
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example, I believed that the firstthing, the greatest challenge that o.
The first challenge we faced was firstto determine that we should do this exercise
was to recognize ourselves from our regions. That was something we might have been
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minding where I' m working,thinking about until we finally determined to do
it this way. An important challengeis to be able to reach all the
places where we and the Executive Secretary, Father Nidio, Mario and Maribel are
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in talks. We always said weare more than 300 Afro- Colombian,
racist and palenquera organizations that make upthe National Conference of pro- Colombian Organizations,
how we do to be able toknow the realities of each of them,
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to reach each of the territories and, evidently, to be able to
do the one- time exercise thatwe talked about earlier generating a collective vision
that would allow us to work forthe guarantee of the rights of the Black
people. Over the course of allthese years, which have been going on
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for more than two decades, Ihave been putting on the table precisely those
important talks that are obviously going throughstructural racism, and it has shown that
the rights of Black people can beguaranteed, that things have escaped us because
sometimes one would like to be ableto cover all the circumstances, but it
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is complex. However, I believethat one of the challenges ahead is to
go hand in hand with what iscurrently happening in our country to ensure that
Black people are present in all theirscenarios. For example, we are also
looking at the National Development Plan andthinking about how Black people are there,
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about what our country is projecting,about what we are projecting as a nation.
I believe that these are challenges which, moreover, are accompanied by many
wills and which are also accompanied byguarantees that all this will be generated in
a dignified way, and we areworking on them. We are preparing to
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be able to address all these issues. We have also built a plan of
work, a plan of development forour work of this two thousand twenty-
four, and that work also goeshand in hand with what we want to
achieve by the vision of black peoplethat we have is a worthy people,
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which is a people re presented ina village that respects the rights of their
territory, but that also like eachindividual and every individual, we sit present
in each one of the spaces.I know that Mario could also greatly strengthen
these challenges. Maribel, too.Then I give Mario the floor to move
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forward as Maribel returned, to complementthe initial idea and to know that vision
the Pacific has. We were talkingabout the vision for the development and strengthening
of the pre- Colombian community,if any, in the massive region,
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well, as the idea followed,talking about development in our villages, talking
about re- believe when there arerather strong, rather delicate labels, but
we can' t say by thatwe can' t move forward. Indeed,
the peaceful has much to give,much to show for this development.
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And in view of this we sawit in the development plans we had the
assurance of knowing and the gallantness ofalso being immersed in those plans, to
say suddenly how. We wanted certainthings to be given, certain things,
certain positions to give credibility to theorganizations as well. That' s why
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we talked about a mutual development,a community development that only the mayor of
the mayors the governor, did notmanage his processes from him, but that
had the organizations to be easier tobelieve and trust again, as our organization,
our peaceful, has a lot togive, much to show between trusts,
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between leadership, between making good processesof women in this process of diversity
that has been a boom for thiscountry. But, like the peaceful one,
we are ready to move forward sothat this development can yield in the
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makes great university of theft, thatyou' ve become hibernauts and continue and
continue in tracks of aricania, technicalterritories building peace. We are now going
to give way to Mario to talkto us about those challenges that he is
going to face as regional coordinators andhow he is going to address them as
well. Mario, well, youhave to be clear as two things.
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A first thing that is very positiveis that the cnoa as convergence. In
fact, it is a system anda work model and, in fact,
it is already a planning model,so we have to start from that profit
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that has been built over the lasttwenty years, where the dynamics of our
own have allowed that system and thatmodel of development to be built, to
which we have shared and we haveadhered and call it that. The good
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thing about the model is that ithas evolved according to the needs that organizations
have been presenting and, obviously,the tonsas in their regions. True and
then here the challenge is how weare uniting more and more construction, how
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we are uniting more and more organizationsand tonsas in building to enrich that model
and the model today is changing.It is a little towards that development that
we had talked about. But thebiggest challenge is from organizations, from thongs
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and, obviously, the CNOVA.It is to see how and now coordination,
to see how territorial authorities fulfil thelegal and constitutional mandate to respect the
ethnic and cultural diversity of the nation. Why that is a fundamental challenge,
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because that ethnic and cultural diversity ofthe nation has as its starting point,
a development approach other than national development, institutional development. If you want,
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then the challenge is how we willinteract from ethnic diversity, from the differential
technical approach, from the development anthemand we will interact with the national development
model. That is a challenge thatis great, because it is a challenge
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that has legal elements that, althoughthey are not met, are not respected.
It is an administrative challenge, becausethe territorial authorities call it that,
including the national government, the nation, because they very little value and respect
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the contributions made from ethnic diversity.That' s where the challenge is.
How to achieve that it is fromour regions, first, since the dinner,
since the National Conference of Afro-Colombian organizations as convergence, which has
its own system and its own modelof development. And how, from the
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regional coordinations, from the tonsas andfrom the organizations in each territorial entity,
to be called, municipality, departmentor nation, we will ensure that the
model and system of new development ofour peoples is respected. That' s
the big challenge. Then, asI said, it has three foundations in
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law, administrative and, obviously,financial. This challenge is very great and
what needs to be urged is fromthe proposal, from the proposal and from
the action, so that the territorialauthorities have to assume it as each territorial
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ruler must respect the Constitution and thelaw. Thank you, Mario Maribel.
Emphasizing what my partner Mario says,it' s a while that suddenly our
order. The three coordinations have proposedthat a different view be taken from the
regional point of view. In orderto start climbing because, while it is
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true, we must appreciate the twentyyears we have been working on the cenoa,
but we also need to see securitynow in processes and in the situations
that live in the regions. Certainly, a national plan is obtained, but
we have not devoted ourselves from thePacific to observing and reading the national plan
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to be able to contribute to thatdevelopment, to that new development and that,
in fact, we need taking intoaccount that we have a friendly Government
also where we have in mind asystematization of how each fact is going to
be carried out, in order tobe able to contribute and to be able
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to prove after every process, toapproach the national Government will be a good
guarantee. I repeat, nine moneys, but yes confidence about the national and
the regions where, as coordinators,we want to open up how to open
and bridge those gaps that resounded tous at the time. We also want
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to be as consistent in the processof saying that we will not all soon
achieve it by one, but wedo want to make the effort to strengthen
each of the regions, to believe, to re- create that organizations in
each of our territories have how tostrengthen and have how to say. We
are capable and we have the capacityto reform and do this. In conclusion,
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we cannot ignore the fact that thereare difficulties in the Pacific region,
but we also emphasize the process thatthe nation takes and how we can bring
it down to us and empower itso that we can transform what we need,
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bearing in mind that we can havemore lived, more flexible, evidence
seen from the territory to unify thedevelopment that we really need. Thank you
very much, Maribel, Mario andRaiza, for being there thinking, for
building thinking and thinking about our communitiesand how and how we can advance in
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this historic moment in which we havehad to live. Each of you was
in what he was talking about,referring as to the development plan and territorial
development plans. A little bit ofa first question and for and for us
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to keep looking at that issue,what we have done or what you have
driven from regional coordinations so that inthat plan this time we have been in
many plans and we have tried toput our vision there and I believe that
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in this we have not achieved itas we would like. But we'
ve done some exercises. I wouldlike to hear from you what these exercises
we have done. What we havebeen learning is that it is not enough
to submit proposals, it is notenough to generate alternatives, but it is
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necessary to be constantly updating. Let' s say what is agreed and when
I update, it is practically renegotiatingin the agreed, because we well know
that let' s say that thereis dialogue, that there is agreement with
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the national government, but there comesthe phase of implementation and compliance and implementation,
which is a little difficult in thatorder of ideas. What I mean
by this is that, initially wehave always been involved in the formulation of
plans, we have always presented alternativesfor solutions, we have always presented our
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approach and vision. But in plans, you usually don' t see,
because you have to differentiate two things. The development plan has a vision for
the future, be it a nationalplan or a territorial plan. And it
has been confused that they denounce usor lie to us, because, as
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he is popularly told, that theyname us in the plans. And it
seems that the Government understands that bynaming us it is already involving us in
a vision of the future. Andthat' s fake. That is not
real, because having a shared visionof the future means that we agree and
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sometimes we can accept it because thereis a majority imposition, but it does
not mean that we agree. Letme give a concrete example. When we
have proposed in the development plans thata technical chapter should be created that can
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better materialize the vision and thinking ofthe Afro peoples. That wasn' t
possible. It wasn' t possible. The development plan, as we all
know, says it has to havea shared horizon. And then we started
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off badly, because the horizon isnot shared. The horizon is almost always
imposed by the winner. And there' s already a big difficulty. The
other element that I think we havebeen building well back then is how we
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have been legally advocating, because itis the responsibility of those who have that
to be fulfilled, that is tosay, that ethnic and cultural diversity is
implicit and well included in development plans. Do so, as we have submitted
proposals to the DNP, to theNational Planning Department recently for territorial development plans
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is. We resubmitted proposals to thePresident of the Republic, the President of
the NP, the Ministry and theInterior, the Ministry of Equality and Equity.
To what end, it is obviousthat normative mechanisms are being put in
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place that force territorial rulers to ensurethat this part of the differential technical approach
is actually assumed in the way itis to be assumed, which is basically
to guarantee the vision of the peoples, but also to guarantee, in conclusion,
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that the development plans and the plansof life of the Cecnic peoples have
been adequately included in the development plans. It is not enough that prior consultations
on development plans are conducted as theyare said. It is necessary that the
development plans proposed by the Secnico peoples, specifically by the Black, Afro-
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Colombian, Raisal and Palenquera populations,be properly inserted in accordance with their culture,
their world view, their social organization, their form and way of life,
their authorities, their own governments andinstitutions, but above all, that
they respect the collective life project ofthese peoples. The problem is that it
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' s not being, it's not being realized, it' s
not being fulfilled. It is thereforein violation of our rights. I'
d finish. Thank you, Mira. I was out there hearing that some
tonsas, in some communities, peoplehave approached the building spaces of the Territorial
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Development Plan. How' s itgoing, Raiza Maribel, how you'
ve felt people' s participation.All this context that Mario gives us today
also responds as precisely to those differentactions that have been developed in order to
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be present in those spaces, thatour autonomy, our world view, our
own plans developed and based on theapproaches that are manifested from the territories are
respected. Now, the experience wehave had from the Caribbean as such is
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that there is still a lack ofdemand and commitment on the part of the
incumbent rulers. And when the demandis specifically to include grassroots organisations, to
include community councils, to influence thedifferent organizational expressions that we have been talking
about throughout this programme, because itis also important to have an impact on
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the territories so that it can alsobe understood as what these major challenges are.
Because, finally, because the dynamicsof participation are different and are mobilized
from some interests Very well. Ibelieve that more commitment is needed if there
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is to be a presence or afair presence, and also a presence that
can allow us to recognize diversity froman Afro point of view. At this
moment, those of us who areundisputedly touching the exercise of being organized,
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organized like thongs and recognizing ourselves andbeing there and the subject of formation,
which has also been a matter ofdenial, because there are many opportunities.
We know that we are Afro people, we know that we are in Afro
territories, but being able to raiseour voice to these spaces, which are
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also well centralized, is that theyoccur specifically in what is more urban.
I believe that this centralism also weakensthe equitable and fair participation of technicians.
Okay, Maribel. There' sthe post, like, a little bit
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to talk about what we' vebeen doing. But also, as you
' ve seen the organizers, thethongs, as they' ve put the
ten, let' s say asan exercise. We do not know that
to achieve things we need from others, from others, from others, from
a Government that is more or lessbetting on it. But, as you
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have seen, the participation or atleast, the will of the communities to
be informed, to be aware ofthese schedules and, in one way or
another, to continue insisting on puttingin these plans, our needs and our
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aspirations and even seeing to be afterwardsin the good budget, as I said
to my colleagues soon lack of onethat another territory to make more visible each
of the processes. But today itspeaks specifically of the north of Cauca,
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where we have been part and werein the construction of those plans. As
you did not explain it once,father, in a meeting, the importance
of the organizations becoming part of thisprocess and the tonsas. Well, we
took the task of carrying some lettersto have us present and each of these
processes. We can say that itis not enough for us to be present.
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But if we have been present inthe development plans and programs, the
way we want it to develop ishow we are going to help this reality
to have the approach we need withoutignoring and without taking away what the president
has, but yes that the presidenthas is present, that there are communities,
that there are organizations, that thereare organized groups, that there are
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women in front of some processes,that there is a group ono in front
of the qualification of a plan sothat suddenly they did not fall into the
same mistakes, without saying that wewill have orders. Of course we are
going to have it, but wealso know that we will look with a
vision of the future, a visionwhere we want to move forward and have
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a more present participation of the Community. Also in good fortune was obtained a
massive partitioning of the process where suddenlyit was not as much as a very
optimal gear as we needed it tobe, because suddenly there are people,
there are territorial ones that do notlike to not say it otherwise, to
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let suddenly another of their opinion orto deserve that another gives it the same
way. But in turn we hada great participation in the development plans.
The cause can go to the north, where we had a good pat where
its mayors port, tejada, villarrica, padilla, its mayor in Buenos Aires,
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Santa Recliado, were very open tothe communities and organizations and other organized
groups being present, which are partof the TONGA. That gives us as
participation, to the possibility of makinga recognition and that there is a union
between the communities and the plant,because of the mayor' s office,
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where suddenly the union that we needgoes, where everyone has to tell us
is that as we never invite us, no, this time we were invited,
we were included. We are goingto help you build this future to
help us move forward to update theteaching and experience we need for our territories.
Thank you very much, come tome I would like, for example,
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to round one thing which is thefollowing. It is that let us
say that the participation of the Afropopulation has always been the return and,
I repeat, we have always participated, we have always generated alternatives of solution.
The problem is that in the mechanicsof formulating development plans, in the
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mechanics of approving development plans and sanctioningtheir regulatory frameworks, is where there is
a big entanglement, where rights arealready being violated. In this sense,
what I want to unionize with isthat the rule tells us that we must
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participate and, in fact, weparticipate, but the rule also says that
there is one way to participate ingeneral and another way of participation in particular.
The general is when everyone summons him, but the particular one is when
he comes he requires the vision ofthe proposals of the ethnic peoples, in
this case the Afro- Colombians,So it turns out that there is required
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either the prior consultation or a mechanismof conciliation through law seventeen fifty- seven,
which is the law of democratic participation. So there, when we get
to that point to be included fromthe vision, to face things, that
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' s where it doesn' twork. That is why, on this
occasion, what we began to sendout was letters to the President to tell
him there is one of legal gapsthat you, as President, as we
say, Director of the Executive,must direct who is responsible to correct the
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legal gaps and the administrative gaps sothat we do not again run over rights
as a black community. The samething was done or we did when we
sent the municipal, district and departmentalrulers on duty, or this is happening.
Let' s say the answers,at least I know here, on
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the side of inter- Athenian coordinationcenters and valley, is that initially it
was that they could not, butfortunately the Ministry of the Interior in some
cases said that it was necessary todo so. We are now in the
stage of waiting for development plans tobe handed over to municipal councils, district
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councils or departmental assembly to see ifthere still persists the true error or violation
of law to try to see howit is corrected. We are a little
on time, but this requires,as Maribel and Reyza rightly put it,
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a greater participation of each organization,of TONGA, of the tonsas as a
whole and that we, how dowe become such an impact that if we
have to stop the development plans,because their strategic component does not adequately include
us from development and their multi-annual investment plan limits us or reduces us
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to the minimum expression of investment ofpublic or social spending, then we have
to demand. That is a callthat we must begin to tell the Community
that if we want to be recognisedfrom the national budget, because obviously we
have social dynamics, as Maribel rightlysaid, which is sometimes not silver.
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But if the development of our Communityis required for the development of our Community,
social investment and public spending are required, the serious thing would be that
there was no recourse. But theresource is there. Let me give a
concrete example. How is it possiblethat the national government is saying that for
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investment, only for investment, inthese four years, the National Development Plan
has an investment of five nine millionpes and one is raising it in the
territories and yet in the territories theysay that they do not have to finance
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with that national resource. Then it' s no longer a problem there.
There is not a problem, say, of discussion or consultation, but of
a problem of political will, ofa ruler who is violating a law and
those rulers are called mayor of mayors, governors or governors, they have to
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comply with the law. In fact, they have to put in these investment
animal plus plans the resource required bythe Black Community in order to be able
to finance at national level. That' s more or less a precision to
be made. And so called thatthe organizations of ours are very attentive to
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if now we say in the monthof ending April, pardon, ending March,
the resources forgiveness, the development planthat was passed if it includes us
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properly, because otherwise that is wherewe have to do the social pressure,
where we have to do the illegalpolitical impact in order to be able to
respect us the law mario. Thankyou very much, and I would also
like to thank the comrades who tookpart in African footprints. We' re
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at Andra' s closing. Sadly, we are not able to complete everything
we want to talk to you aboutdevelopment plans of some differences, but the
proposal that I am going to maketo you is that we then make another
programme where we can deepen the wholeissue a little more, not only the
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development plans, but also the territorialplans and the municipal plans. In this
way, I invite you to givea message, a hug that grips the
whole country, but from here,from the Caribbean of Colombia, Maribel,
that this Union continues to weave goodbonds are of brotherhood, of trust,
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of creativity. I invite all thecomrades of the different tonsas of the country,
that is, that we are veryawake, very active and very committed
to what is happening in the developmentplans and now, next month, to
know if we are properly left.Thank you very much, Mario, thank
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you very much, Raiza, thankyou very much Maribel. As for this
moment of dialogue and construction, ofthought and vision that we have allowed ourselves,
as it was denied, we commitourselves to continue deepening as the role,
the role the significance of the scopeof these regional coordinations and the general
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coordination of the CNBA and the secondis that we must continue to discuss at
least the proper inclusion of the pro- descendants in the development plan. So
we have come to the footprints ofAfricania, ethnic territories building peace. On
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the other side of the world thereis a continent with fifty- four countries
inhabited by the groups Balanda cuen CaraballoLukumi, Ararath Ashanti and many more villages
is, warriors, thinkers, farmers, miners, ranchers and fishermen who are
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present today in Colombia. If youuse the words chevere yam or chhofarse to
speak, you are rescuing the oraltradition of Africania. If you prefer salsa,
vallenato or reggae when you go,you evoke the rhythms of Africania.
If as a child you heard themyths and legends of Mother Monte, the
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tunde, the mother of Water andthe crybaby. You' re reminiscing about
African stories on Rosario Radio. Inassociation with the National Conference of Afro-
Colombian Organizations Senoa, they presented tracesof Africanic cetnic territories, building traces of
Africania traces of Africa in Colombia
On the other side of the world. There is a continent with fifty-
four countries inhabited by the groups Balanga, Cueno, Caraballillos, lucumi Arara,
Ashanti and many more villages, warriors, thinkers, farmers, miners, ranchers
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and fishermen who are present today inColombian. If you use the words chevere
yam or sucking, you are rescuingthe oral tradition of Africania. If you
prefer salsa, vallenato or reggae whenyou go, you evoke the rhythms of
Africania bere If as a child youheard the myths and legends of Mother Monte,
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the Tunda, the Mother of waterand the crybaby, you are remembering
the stories of Africa. He usedto use a radio rosary in association with
the National Conference of Procologists Organizations orpresent traces of Africani Tétnic Territories, building
shun traces of Africa in Colombia byHola. Dear netizens, it' s
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a pleasure to get back in tunethanks for staying connected to a radio rosary
and remember that we' re openinghours. Now we are going to listen
on Tuesdays every fortnight from ten toeleven in the morning here by a Rosario
radio and by Spreakert Saldo in welcometo Africania Footprints, a radio space that
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is realized thanks to the alliance ofthe Social Projection Directorate of the University,
the Rosario, the National Conference ofAfro- Colombian Organizations Senova and u Rosario
Radio. From Bogotá, Colombian capital, we will travel the national territory to
prodescending, black, palenquero and rootland, knowing the different ways of being peace.
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That is, Africania Footprints, laughingyou put or remember that you can
communicate with us through our social networkson Twitter, Facebook and Instagram like arroba
or rosario radio. They can alsofind us on Twitter as a cnoa arroba
scratches the appro floor on Facebook Xnova, on Instagram as they do not root
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the pisocol and on YouTube as ananal conference of Afro- Colombian organizations.
There we have a very interesting audiovisualproposal in month Now. If you connect
after the online signal or you missthe program, you can find it on
our website TRIPWW convergence Senoa Org,in the podcast session or here by Spotify.
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There you will be able to listento the program, share it on
your networks and save it on yourpreferred digital device. Ocu the sports stalls
on my peace more special greetings toour secretaries and operating secretaries of the seventeen
tons of the dinner in the differentdepartments of the country, to our director
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Mario Castro, in the master's degree of control, Nelson Duarte,
and who speaks Mayo Rivas Molina,remember to follow me on Facebook as Mayo
Rivas Molina. It is a pleasurefor us to present today our co-
team, Father Executive Secretary, EmigioCuesta Pino, Father Welcome, Good morning,
Thank you, May and special greetingsto all the people who listen to
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us through this medium as we werewith them so much. It is a
pleasure for us to be here today, to introduce the new regional coordinators who
will join the structure of the NationalConference of Afro- Colombian Organizations anoa incorporating
these leaderships represents a significant step towardsthe diversity of our organization, as well
as the advancement of the rights andwell- being of the Afro- Colombian
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Community in all regions of the fathercountry. What do you think if you
give us before introducing the new regionalcoordinators, you give us as a brief
introduction to who they are and whythis coordination is created. Thank you,
Major, and welcome to the compañerasand compañero who are members of the O
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- CNE now are secretaries and operatingsecretaries and are now integrated with the role
of regional coordinators. Regional coordinators whatthis is. I think the organizations have
to go down. Yes, anda collective thought organization, because you have
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to go looking at how you thinkcollectively, so the cn What you are
doing is as well diversifying as decisionmaking, diversifying the thinking that those who
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think about cn We were suddenly veryfocused on the executive secretariat. We are
now proposing to implement as these regionalcoordinations, so that among the four we
can make better decisions and better conductthe CN and thus constitute a collective coordination
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of our convergence of our organization.In addition, it is a way to
be closer to a coordinator, aregional coordinator, is closer to the secretaries
and operating secretaries and can better implementas our mandates of arambé or General Assembly
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at the regional level. And Ithink that also the scope and impact of
the organization on the things it does, because it is much better. That
is why we are here as implementingthis overall coordination and including regional coordination.
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And this is divided into three Caribbeanregional coordinations, inter- Andean and peaceful
valleys. The person who is goingto introduce himself right now is Mario Eres,
the center coordinator and several inter-Andeans. Welcome, Mario Well,
good morning. I am María AlfredoMartínez Vera, an Afro- Colombian social
and cultural manager and I do incoordination with two other colleagues, the Collegiate
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Operational Secretariat of the Tongacianovaalle Urra andCortino, as you said, the region
of inter- Atlantic centers and valleys. In our coordination there are five tonsas,
which is the Tonga Uravada Arien,coordinated by Father Meil that the Tonga
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Magdalena, Medium by Professor Luis Rodríguez, the Tonga Magdalena, Center by Gloria
Palacios, the Tonga District by Albanelli. Mine and I come back and repeat,
the tonga is new, go toUrraso. Five more or less.
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In this coordination of centres and inter- Andean centres and valleys, we are
cohesive ninety- three organizations, Afroorganizations among grassroots organizations in new forms and
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organizational expression, collective networks. That' s the central coordination and inter-
Andean valleys. Thank you, MarioRaiza de la Voz, who is in
charge of coordinating the Caribbean region helloMayo. Very good morning to you to
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the entire team of work, ofcommunications from Lancenius to the people who listen
to us footprints from Africania. Veryhappy to be here in this space with
my companions and my companions and myname is Raia de la Os Pérez,
an Afro- Atira woman. Forabout seven years I' ve been participating
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in the spaces with Senior. Ibelieve that my leadership has also had the
organizational support of the national competence ofAfro- Colombian organizations and precisely in that
exercise and giving as continuity to theprocesses that are carried out for the organizations
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and the different organizational expressions of theblack communities. At some point I was
staffed and I was also delegated asthe operational secretary of the Department of La
Guajira. Being there, then,let' s say that I have about
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two or three years of building thisexercise and last year received the invitation from
colleagues who are part of the Caribbeanregional. It is also to be able
to coordinate in company with Pacific.Another inter- Andean valley is the coordination
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of the Caribbean region. The Caribbeanregion is currently made up of six tonsas,
one plays for each department and let' s say that here in the
department of La Guaira is the AguanilFoundation, there is the Community Council Machacahui
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Lole. There is also the OrganizationAfrica on my land, which is more
specifically to the south of the department. And well, we are also in
Cesar, Magdalena, Córdoba, Atlánticoand Bolívar, for whom I extend a
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very special greeting, very fraternal,very happy and proud to be part of
this process. Thank you so much, Raiza, and we' re closing
this triad. Or Maribel Miranda,who is the coordinator of the peaceful region.
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Maribel welcome, good morning to all, pleasure to greet all who hear
us as well and, as mycompanions rightly said, I had the honor
of that sphere chosen for this greatprocess. I count on five wonderful warriors
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for this coordination. In Buenaventura,with Glenda Thinklin, with Emilienneida in Tu
Maco, Connora in Chocó, withVanetza and finally Maribel in Uafro. They
are co- wives, warriors thatwe want to give everything and we want
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to show that we can be unitedenough to unite that we can at the
same time. I am the operationalsecretary of TONGA, or Afrotcauca, a
tonga that has seen me grow professionallyand has seen me believe in each of
the processes. Similarly, I thankthe Afro- Colombian National Conference for also
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placing my name and thank you verymuch for inviting me. Well already,
after this brief summary that they arethe secretaries, we will continue our program,
not without first telling our hibernauts thatwe are going to have a series
of interspersed programs to talk in depthabout the secretariats, the operating secret,
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the executive secretariats of the regional coordinators, talk exactly what is being done in
each region and how they are joiningefforts between the tonsas and the organizations of
the ceno, because today the programis going to have both long and wide
parent. After this introductory guide,how about we start talking to the secretaries,
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what is their vision for development,the strengthening of the Afro- Colombian
community in their specific Mario region.Vision is a bit like starting from what
we have. It' s likediscovering, identifying, focusing basically on what
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we have, what we have andfrom that, starting to build as the
vision of the future where we wantto go. Fundamentally, the vision that
we have, for in tonsas let' s say, is that we must
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start from an exercise where, withour resources, we take the decisions ourselves
and from those decisions, so,try to generate that the Colombian State,
through its governments, territorial and nationalgovernment, supports the decision of the tonsas
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and the organizations that are part of, obviously, the TONGA and the cenora.
So a little bit of that whatyou call self- development or new
development, and the vision a littlebit is oriented towards that. How to
reduce, how to confront, howto prevent structural racism from continuing to direct,
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let us say, the fate ofthe population af how to counteract from
what is now called antiracism, towork a vision of its own fundamentally is
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based on those potentialities that each organizationhas, based on the conditions offered by
each territory and based on the organizationaldynamics, to be able to project that
vision of the future that, ultimately, has to propend is for the general
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well- being of the Afro population. But in essence it is how we
are going to counter structural racism,institutional rasterism, which would obviously be manifested
in the part of the budgets,the part of the allocation of financial resources,
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so that the Afro community itself,from its vision of the future,
from its cultural perception, from itsorganizational dynamics, from its technical and technological
potentials, can achieve its own development. That' s a bit like the
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vision we have in the regions.That is why normivity says or speaks of
the differential ethnic approach. Although thereis a national vision of development, there
is a territorial vision of development,there must also be a population vision of
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development, and that is what iscalled non- development. Or Mario,
thank you so much for as muchas we do for getting in tune with
what we want and, lastly,what we drive. Riza or Maribel,
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val of you would like to sharewith us, with us, with us,
as your vision, in this accompaniment, in this impulse to the Afro
communities of the region. Well Father, I think Mario did as a very
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important introduction to being able to speakalso about the realities that we live in
the territory and, specifically as ofthe vision, as a vision that we,
as Black people in the Caribbean,have, to think of ourselves from
our autonomy, from the autonomy ofour communities, from the community councils,
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from the organizations, from the differentpressures, but also to recognize ourselves Yes,
it is very important to recognize ourselvesas a Black people of the Caribbean
and that people are proud of whothey are, where we are from,
who we are. To recognize whatour territory has, to recognize what are
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the historical debts that the State hasto our territory, our territory as a
place that we inhabit, but alsowe as individuals, as individuals and also
as a collective of people. Andit seems to me that is super important
when we talk, for example,about the Caribbean, because while there is
a national imagination that the national interestthat, for example, departments like Magdalena,
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like a Guajira, like Cesar,are rich territories and ins say in
agriculture are fertile lands, we haverivers seas. We have not been enunciated
as a black people and other thingscan be highlighted from our territories. When
I say recognize, I also meanto see each other, us and us.
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I think that this is a veryimportant step to identify ourselves as a
Black people, because precisely in thatline of the ed no development that were
the ones that were asking us alittle mario was to think also how to
make visible that we are here,how to make visible that we have been
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historically here and from there, aimingtowards development, but a development that is
a development for our peoples, fromthe rural of the urban, from the
digital, since they guarantee the rightsof the Black people and therefore also the
rights of our territory. And Ibelieve that this is built on collective work,
on the basis of dialogue, onthe basis of discourse, on the
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basis of formation, so that wecan recognize what are those rights that we
have as black people. As regionalcoordinators we have also sat down to think
about how we want, that thisprocess is due, how we want and
who we want to reach. Andfor them too we have had to think
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from our diversities, because the Blackpeople are also diverse. So to recognize
what are the problems that each oneof us lives in our regions, particularly
we in the Caribbean, which iswhat concerns me in this case. I
think it goes in tune with everythingthe other regions think about, and it
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' s how we' re goingto walk, where we' re walking
in search of our development, butabove all, defending our rights in the
company of who we' re goingto walk there that we' ve been
walking for a long time. Andfinally, I think that one of the
most important things is to think aboutourselves respecting our worldview, our orality,
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our practices, customs and the productionof knowledge. I say it over there
so we can knit. Let's go knitting. Thank you, Raisa,
I would also go to the wordMaribel and good. I believe that
this is a right, the rightthat we have to think of ourselves as
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a people as organizations, as communities. And so Maribel is very important,
as well, what is your visionof the development and strengthening of the Afro
people there, in the Pacific region, What should we, what should we,
we, continue to work to pushforward this process in which we have
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embarked. Well, as my colleaguessay, and without saying all of a
sudden the same is knowing and recognizingwhat they are capable of of our peoples,
what our peoples are for, whatour peoples want. To talk about
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development in our Pacific peoples is totalk about guarantees, and I am not
talking about economic guarantees, I amnot talking about a guarantee of trust,
of creating, knitting, uniting,modifying, suddenly what one day was damaged
and starting again that each of ourcustom that leads us to give Colombia a
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capacity for alliance, a capacity forunion that also speaks of development in the
peaceful, is to see how eachof our organizations has something magnificent to show.
As my partner Raiza said, somecan show orality, others can show
their resinfication processes, others can showfather. I do not know if we
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continue to make progress on these issuesand to face the new challenges that coordination
now has. It is also beautiful, but it is also very complex in
that order of ideas. We wouldlike to know what these challenges are that
are anticipated to be faced as regionalcoordinators and how they are addressed. For
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example, I believed that the firstthing, the greatest challenge that o.
The first challenge we faced was firstto determine that we should do this exercise
was to recognize ourselves from our regions. That was something we might have been
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minding where I' m working,thinking about until we finally determined to do
it this way. An important challengeis to be able to reach all the
places where we and the Executive Secretary, Father Nidio, Mario and Maribel are
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in talks. We always said weare more than 300 Afro- Colombian,
racist and palenquera organizations that make upthe National Conference of pro- Colombian Organizations,
how we do to be able toknow the realities of each of them,
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to reach each of the territories and, evidently, to be able to
do the one- time exercise thatwe talked about earlier generating a collective vision
that would allow us to work forthe guarantee of the rights of the Black
people. Over the course of allthese years, which have been going on
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for more than two decades, Ihave been putting on the table precisely those
important talks that are obviously going throughstructural racism, and it has shown that
the rights of Black people can beguaranteed, that things have escaped us because
sometimes one would like to be ableto cover all the circumstances, but it
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is complex. However, I believethat one of the challenges ahead is to
go hand in hand with what iscurrently happening in our country to ensure that
Black people are present in all theirscenarios. For example, we are also
looking at the National Development Plan andthinking about how Black people are there,
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about what our country is projecting,about what we are projecting as a nation.
I believe that these are challenges which, moreover, are accompanied by many
wills and which are also accompanied byguarantees that all this will be generated in
a dignified way, and we areworking on them. We are preparing to
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be able to address all these issues. We have also built a plan of
work, a plan of development forour work of this two thousand twenty-
four, and that work also goeshand in hand with what we want to
achieve by the vision of black peoplethat we have is a worthy people,
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which is a people re presented ina village that respects the rights of their
territory, but that also like eachindividual and every individual, we sit present
in each one of the spaces.I know that Mario could also greatly strengthen
these challenges. Maribel, too.Then I give Mario the floor to move
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forward as Maribel returned, to complementthe initial idea and to know that vision
the Pacific has. We were talkingabout the vision for the development and strengthening
of the pre- Colombian community,if any, in the massive region,
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well, as the idea followed,talking about development in our villages, talking
about re- believe when there arerather strong, rather delicate labels, but
we can' t say by thatwe can' t move forward. Indeed,
the peaceful has much to give,much to show for this development.
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And in view of this we sawit in the development plans we had the
assurance of knowing and the gallantness ofalso being immersed in those plans, to
say suddenly how. We wanted certainthings to be given, certain things,
certain positions to give credibility to theorganizations as well. That' s why
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we talked about a mutual development,a community development that only the mayor of
the mayors the governor, did notmanage his processes from him, but that
had the organizations to be easier tobelieve and trust again, as our organization,
our peaceful, has a lot togive, much to show between trusts,
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between leadership, between making good processesof women in this process of diversity
that has been a boom for thiscountry. But, like the peaceful one,
we are ready to move forward sothat this development can yield in the
best way. Thank you very much, a radio rosary always connected through other
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makes great university of theft, thatyou' ve become hibernauts and continue and
continue in tracks of aricania, technicalterritories building peace. We are now going
to give way to Mario to talkto us about those challenges that he is
going to face as regional coordinators andhow he is going to address them as
well. Mario, well, youhave to be clear as two things.
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A first thing that is very positiveis that the cnoa as convergence. In
fact, it is a system anda work model and, in fact,
it is already a planning model,so we have to start from that profit
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that has been built over the lasttwenty years, where the dynamics of our
own have allowed that system and thatmodel of development to be built, to
which we have shared and we haveadhered and call it that. The good
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thing about the model is that ithas evolved according to the needs that organizations
have been presenting and, obviously,the tonsas in their regions. True and
then here the challenge is how weare uniting more and more construction, how
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we are uniting more and more organizationsand tonsas in building to enrich that model
and the model today is changing.It is a little towards that development that
we had talked about. But thebiggest challenge is from organizations, from thongs
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and, obviously, the CNOVA.It is to see how and now coordination,
to see how territorial authorities fulfil thelegal and constitutional mandate to respect the
ethnic and cultural diversity of the nation. Why that is a fundamental challenge,
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because that ethnic and cultural diversity ofthe nation has as its starting point,
a development approach other than national development, institutional development. If you want,
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then the challenge is how we willinteract from ethnic diversity, from the differential
technical approach, from the development anthemand we will interact with the national development
model. That is a challenge thatis great, because it is a challenge
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that has legal elements that, althoughthey are not met, are not respected.
It is an administrative challenge, becausethe territorial authorities call it that,
including the national government, the nation, because they very little value and respect
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the contributions made from ethnic diversity.That' s where the challenge is.
How to achieve that it is fromour regions, first, since the dinner,
since the National Conference of Afro-Colombian organizations as convergence, which has
its own system and its own modelof development. And how, from the
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regional coordinations, from the tonsas andfrom the organizations in each territorial entity,
to be called, municipality, departmentor nation, we will ensure that the
model and system of new development ofour peoples is respected. That' s
the big challenge. Then, asI said, it has three foundations in
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law, administrative and, obviously,financial. This challenge is very great and
what needs to be urged is fromthe proposal, from the proposal and from
the action, so that the territorialauthorities have to assume it as each territorial
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ruler must respect the Constitution and thelaw. Thank you, Mario Maribel.
Emphasizing what my partner Mario says,it' s a while that suddenly our
order. The three coordinations have proposedthat a different view be taken from the
regional point of view. In orderto start climbing because, while it is
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true, we must appreciate the twentyyears we have been working on the cenoa,
but we also need to see securitynow in processes and in the situations
that live in the regions. Certainly, a national plan is obtained, but
we have not devoted ourselves from thePacific to observing and reading the national plan
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to be able to contribute to thatdevelopment, to that new development and that,
in fact, we need taking intoaccount that we have a friendly Government
also where we have in mind asystematization of how each fact is going to
be carried out, in order tobe able to contribute and to be able
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to prove after every process, toapproach the national Government will be a good
guarantee. I repeat, nine moneys, but yes confidence about the national and
the regions where, as coordinators,we want to open up how to open
and bridge those gaps that resounded tous at the time. We also want
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to be as consistent in the processof saying that we will not all soon
achieve it by one, but wedo want to make the effort to strengthen
each of the regions, to believe, to re- create that organizations in
each of our territories have how tostrengthen and have how to say. We
are capable and we have the capacityto reform and do this. In conclusion,
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we cannot ignore the fact that thereare difficulties in the Pacific region,
but we also emphasize the process thatthe nation takes and how we can bring
it down to us and empower itso that we can transform what we need,
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bearing in mind that we can havemore lived, more flexible, evidence
seen from the territory to unify thedevelopment that we really need. Thank you
very much, Maribel, Mario andRaiza, for being there thinking, for
building thinking and thinking about our communitiesand how and how we can advance in
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this historic moment in which we havehad to live. Each of you was
in what he was talking about,referring as to the development plan and territorial
development plans. A little bit ofa first question and for and for us
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to keep looking at that issue,what we have done or what you have
driven from regional coordinations so that inthat plan this time we have been in
many plans and we have tried toput our vision there and I believe that
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in this we have not achieved itas we would like. But we'
ve done some exercises. I wouldlike to hear from you what these exercises
we have done. What we havebeen learning is that it is not enough
to submit proposals, it is notenough to generate alternatives, but it is
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necessary to be constantly updating. Let' s say what is agreed and when
I update, it is practically renegotiatingin the agreed, because we well know
that let' s say that thereis dialogue, that there is agreement with
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the national government, but there comesthe phase of implementation and compliance and implementation,
which is a little difficult in thatorder of ideas. What I mean
by this is that, initially wehave always been involved in the formulation of
plans, we have always presented alternativesfor solutions, we have always presented our
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approach and vision. But in plans, you usually don' t see,
because you have to differentiate two things. The development plan has a vision for
the future, be it a nationalplan or a territorial plan. And it
has been confused that they denounce usor lie to us, because, as
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he is popularly told, that theyname us in the plans. And it
seems that the Government understands that bynaming us it is already involving us in
a vision of the future. Andthat' s fake. That is not
real, because having a shared visionof the future means that we agree and
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sometimes we can accept it because thereis a majority imposition, but it does
not mean that we agree. Letme give a concrete example. When we
have proposed in the development plans thata technical chapter should be created that can
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better materialize the vision and thinking ofthe Afro peoples. That wasn' t
possible. It wasn' t possible. The development plan, as we all
know, says it has to havea shared horizon. And then we started
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off badly, because the horizon isnot shared. The horizon is almost always
imposed by the winner. And there' s already a big difficulty. The
other element that I think we havebeen building well back then is how we
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have been legally advocating, because itis the responsibility of those who have that
to be fulfilled, that is tosay, that ethnic and cultural diversity is
implicit and well included in development plans. Do so, as we have submitted
proposals to the DNP, to theNational Planning Department recently for territorial development plans
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is. We resubmitted proposals to thePresident of the Republic, the President of
the NP, the Ministry and theInterior, the Ministry of Equality and Equity.
To what end, it is obviousthat normative mechanisms are being put in
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place that force territorial rulers to ensurethat this part of the differential technical approach
is actually assumed in the way itis to be assumed, which is basically
to guarantee the vision of the peoples, but also to guarantee, in conclusion,
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that the development plans and the plansof life of the Cecnic peoples have
been adequately included in the development plans. It is not enough that prior consultations
on development plans are conducted as theyare said. It is necessary that the
development plans proposed by the Secnico peoples, specifically by the Black, Afro-
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Colombian, Raisal and Palenquera populations,be properly inserted in accordance with their culture,
their world view, their social organization, their form and way of life,
their authorities, their own governments andinstitutions, but above all, that
they respect the collective life project ofthese peoples. The problem is that it
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' s not being, it's not being realized, it' s
not being fulfilled. It is thereforein violation of our rights. I'
d finish. Thank you, Mira. I was out there hearing that some
tonsas, in some communities, peoplehave approached the building spaces of the Territorial
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Development Plan. How' s itgoing, Raiza Maribel, how you'
ve felt people' s participation.All this context that Mario gives us today
also responds as precisely to those differentactions that have been developed in order to
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be present in those spaces, thatour autonomy, our world view, our
own plans developed and based on theapproaches that are manifested from the territories are
respected. Now, the experience wehave had from the Caribbean as such is
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that there is still a lack ofdemand and commitment on the part of the
incumbent rulers. And when the demandis specifically to include grassroots organisations, to
include community councils, to influence thedifferent organizational expressions that we have been talking
about throughout this programme, because itis also important to have an impact on
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the territories so that it can alsobe understood as what these major challenges are.
Because, finally, because the dynamicsof participation are different and are mobilized
from some interests Very well. Ibelieve that more commitment is needed if there
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is to be a presence or afair presence, and also a presence that
can allow us to recognize diversity froman Afro point of view. At this
moment, those of us who areundisputedly touching the exercise of being organized,
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organized like thongs and recognizing ourselves andbeing there and the subject of formation,
which has also been a matter ofdenial, because there are many opportunities.
We know that we are Afro people, we know that we are in Afro
territories, but being able to raiseour voice to these spaces, which are
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also well centralized, is that theyoccur specifically in what is more urban.
I believe that this centralism also weakensthe equitable and fair participation of technicians.
Okay, Maribel. There' sthe post, like, a little bit
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to talk about what we' vebeen doing. But also, as you
' ve seen the organizers, thethongs, as they' ve put the
ten, let' s say asan exercise. We do not know that
to achieve things we need from others, from others, from others, from
a Government that is more or lessbetting on it. But, as you
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have seen, the participation or atleast, the will of the communities to
be informed, to be aware ofthese schedules and, in one way or
another, to continue insisting on puttingin these plans, our needs and our
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aspirations and even seeing to be afterwardsin the good budget, as I said
to my colleagues soon lack of onethat another territory to make more visible each
of the processes. But today itspeaks specifically of the north of Cauca,
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where we have been part and werein the construction of those plans. As
you did not explain it once,father, in a meeting, the importance
of the organizations becoming part of thisprocess and the tonsas. Well, we
took the task of carrying some lettersto have us present and each of these
processes. We can say that itis not enough for us to be present.
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But if we have been present inthe development plans and programs, the
way we want it to develop ishow we are going to help this reality
to have the approach we need withoutignoring and without taking away what the president
has, but yes that the presidenthas is present, that there are communities,
that there are organizations, that thereare organized groups, that there are
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women in front of some processes,that there is a group ono in front
of the qualification of a plan sothat suddenly they did not fall into the
same mistakes, without saying that wewill have orders. Of course we are
going to have it, but wealso know that we will look with a
vision of the future, a visionwhere we want to move forward and have
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a more present participation of the Community. Also in good fortune was obtained a
massive partitioning of the process where suddenlyit was not as much as a very
optimal gear as we needed it tobe, because suddenly there are people,
there are territorial ones that do notlike to not say it otherwise, to
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let suddenly another of their opinion orto deserve that another gives it the same
way. But in turn we hada great participation in the development plans.
The cause can go to the north, where we had a good pat where
its mayors port, tejada, villarrica, padilla, its mayor in Buenos Aires,
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Santa Recliado, were very open tothe communities and organizations and other organized
groups being present, which are partof the TONGA. That gives us as
participation, to the possibility of makinga recognition and that there is a union
between the communities and the plant,because of the mayor' s office,
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where suddenly the union that we needgoes, where everyone has to tell us
is that as we never invite us, no, this time we were invited,
we were included. We are goingto help you build this future to
help us move forward to update theteaching and experience we need for our territories.
Thank you very much, come tome I would like, for example,
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to round one thing which is thefollowing. It is that let us
say that the participation of the Afropopulation has always been the return and,
I repeat, we have always participated, we have always generated alternatives of solution.
The problem is that in the mechanicsof formulating development plans, in the
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mechanics of approving development plans and sanctioningtheir regulatory frameworks, is where there is
a big entanglement, where rights arealready being violated. In this sense,
what I want to unionize with isthat the rule tells us that we must
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participate and, in fact, weparticipate, but the rule also says that
there is one way to participate ingeneral and another way of participation in particular.
The general is when everyone summons him, but the particular one is when
he comes he requires the vision ofthe proposals of the ethnic peoples, in
this case the Afro- Colombians,So it turns out that there is required
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either the prior consultation or a mechanismof conciliation through law seventeen fifty- seven,
which is the law of democratic participation. So there, when we get
to that point to be included fromthe vision, to face things, that
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' s where it doesn' twork. That is why, on this
occasion, what we began to sendout was letters to the President to tell
him there is one of legal gapsthat you, as President, as we
say, Director of the Executive,must direct who is responsible to correct the
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legal gaps and the administrative gaps sothat we do not again run over rights
as a black community. The samething was done or we did when we
sent the municipal, district and departmentalrulers on duty, or this is happening.
Let' s say the answers,at least I know here, on
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the side of inter- Athenian coordinationcenters and valley, is that initially it
was that they could not, butfortunately the Ministry of the Interior in some
cases said that it was necessary todo so. We are now in the
stage of waiting for development plans tobe handed over to municipal councils, district
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councils or departmental assembly to see ifthere still persists the true error or violation
of law to try to see howit is corrected. We are a little
on time, but this requires,as Maribel and Reyza rightly put it,
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a greater participation of each organization,of TONGA, of the tonsas as a
whole and that we, how dowe become such an impact that if we
have to stop the development plans,because their strategic component does not adequately include
us from development and their multi-annual investment plan limits us or reduces us
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to the minimum expression of investment ofpublic or social spending, then we have
to demand. That is a callthat we must begin to tell the Community
that if we want to be recognisedfrom the national budget, because obviously we
have social dynamics, as Maribel rightlysaid, which is sometimes not silver.
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But if the development of our Communityis required for the development of our Community,
social investment and public spending are required, the serious thing would be that
there was no recourse. But theresource is there. Let me give a
concrete example. How is it possiblethat the national government is saying that for
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investment, only for investment, inthese four years, the National Development Plan
has an investment of five nine millionpes and one is raising it in the
territories and yet in the territories theysay that they do not have to finance
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with that national resource. Then it' s no longer a problem there.
There is not a problem, say, of discussion or consultation, but of
a problem of political will, ofa ruler who is violating a law and
those rulers are called mayor of mayors, governors or governors, they have to
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comply with the law. In fact, they have to put in these investment
animal plus plans the resource required bythe Black Community in order to be able
to finance at national level. That' s more or less a precision to
be made. And so called thatthe organizations of ours are very attentive to
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if now we say in the monthof ending April, pardon, ending March,
the resources forgiveness, the development planthat was passed if it includes us
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properly, because otherwise that is wherewe have to do the social pressure,
where we have to do the illegalpolitical impact in order to be able to
respect us the law mario. Thankyou very much, and I would also
like to thank the comrades who tookpart in African footprints. We' re
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at Andra' s closing. Sadly, we are not able to complete everything
we want to talk to you aboutdevelopment plans of some differences, but the
proposal that I am going to maketo you is that we then make another
programme where we can deepen the wholeissue a little more, not only the
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development plans, but also the territorialplans and the municipal plans. In this
way, I invite you to givea message, a hug that grips the
whole country, but from here,from the Caribbean of Colombia, Maribel,
that this Union continues to weave goodbonds are of brotherhood, of trust,
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of creativity. I invite all thecomrades of the different tonsas of the country,
that is, that we are veryawake, very active and very committed
to what is happening in the developmentplans and now, next month, to
know if we are properly left.Thank you very much, Mario, thank
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you very much, Raiza, thankyou very much Maribel. As for this
moment of dialogue and construction, ofthought and vision that we have allowed ourselves,
as it was denied, we commitourselves to continue deepening as the role,
the role the significance of the scopeof these regional coordinations and the general
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coordination of the CNBA and the secondis that we must continue to discuss at
least the proper inclusion of the pro- descendants in the development plan. So
we have come to the footprints ofAfricania, ethnic territories building peace. On
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the other side of the world thereis a continent with fifty- four countries
inhabited by the groups Balanda cuen CaraballoLukumi, Ararath Ashanti and many more villages
is, warriors, thinkers, farmers, miners, ranchers and fishermen who are
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present today in Colombia. If youuse the words chevere yam or chhofarse to
speak, you are rescuing the oraltradition of Africania. If you prefer salsa,
vallenato or reggae when you go,you evoke the rhythms of Africania.
If as a child you heard themyths and legends of Mother Monte, the
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tunde, the mother of Water andthe crybaby. You' re reminiscing about
African stories on Rosario Radio. Inassociation with the National Conference of Afro-
Colombian Organizations Senoa, they presented tracesof Africanic cetnic territories, building traces of
Africania traces of Africa in Colombia
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