October 19, 2025 • 33 mins
'Deliver us from evil' explained in a practical way, showing how forgiveness, resisting temptation, and trusting God brings real freedom.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Hungry Gen podcast, and I just want to
thank you for joining us today here at HG. Our
vision is to see thousands say locally and millions globally.
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We hope you enjoyed this week's message, so we're gonna
talk about that today.
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I'm gonna help you a little bit to understand how
we view deliverance. I love to I mean, I think
about deliverance like all day.
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Every day.
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It's all I think pretty much, you know, I just
love it. I'm like, oh man, that's true. What about
this experience? How does that tie into scripture? And how
can we do this? So today's message is titled deliver
us from Evil, and we're gonna go to the Book
of Matthew, chapter six. This is the Lord's prayer Jesus
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here modeled to his disciples a framework for prayer.
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Most Dielogians agree.
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That this is not a literal that we have to
literally quote these words of Jesus, but it's a framework
on how to pray according to God's will. Okay, So
let's go through it here. I'm reading from NK JV.
In this manner, Therefore, pray Matthew six, verse nine, Our
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Father in heaven.
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Hallo be your name, your Kingdom. Come. Your will be
done on earth as it is in Heaven.
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Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us
our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And do not
lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the Kingdom and the power and the
glory forever.
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Amen.
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There's two components to this passage here and just real quick,
The Book of Matthew. The original language of the Gospel
of Matthew. Most theological historians, about eighty to eighty five
percent of them agree that Matthew was originally written in Greek.
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Matthew understood Greek because the common language of the Roman
Empire was Greek language, and so in order for the
Gospel to reach as far as it possibly could, they
wrote the Gospels originally in Greek. Now, there might have
been some notes that he took in his native tongue Aramic,
but generally theologians agree that it was written originally in Greek.
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So when you go to the.
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Root word of it, the Greek root would be the
original word of how Matthew framed his thoughts when he
wrote this, and so first of all, I dug into
it because I was wondering. Jesus here tells us to
pray for God to deliver us from evil. Is this
kind of like a general kind of protect us from
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general evil? Or what is he referring to here? So
I dug into it and looked into the word. First
of all, deliver. The root word here is called rumi,
and it means to deliver. The meaning is to rescue,
draw to oneself, to deliver from danger, liberate, snatch from,
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or protect. The classical Greek usage would be to draw
or drag out of danger, as in pulling someone from
a rushing river or dragging them from the battlefield. And
this word right here, it's very important to understand.
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That it has a twofold meaning.
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It means number one, snatching someone out of danger and
simultaneously dragging them towards oneself. It's a twofold snatching them
out and pulling them close.
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And so when Jesus says that we.
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Should pray for God to deliver us, it's a prose.
It's a twofold situation where we're delivered out of something
and at the same time being drawn closer to God.
And that is what deliverance is. Deliverance is not just
the casting out of demons, but never being drawn closer
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to God. It is twofold one must lead to the other,
and that's the rut. That's the first word deliver us,
the second one from evil in esv or in New
King Jamess as from the evil one.
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The root word here is ponier ross.
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That means evil, wicked, malicious, hurtful, morally.
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Corrupt, or the evil one.
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He is very clearly here referring to Satan. This is
not deliver us from general evil. You know, we have
different world views. Some people ascribe to our worldview that
believes that the world is generally evil. People are generally evil.
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That's not what this world is referring to. Meaning it's
not asking for God to deliver us out of the
world or to keep us safe from general evil. It's
referring specifically to intentional wickedness, the personification of moral compromise,
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the very one who embodies evil, and his name is Satan,
the deceiver. So when Jesus tells us to pray like this,
he's directly telling us to pray for deliverance out of
the hands of the devil.
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Drawing us near to himself.
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He teaches disciples to live in reference for God's name,
longing for his reign, practical obedience, daily dependence, reciprocal forgiveness,
and spiritual vigilance.
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It's twofold. The prayer.
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First part is talking about the God Word, praying to God,
let your kingdom come, Let your will be done on
earth as it is in heaven. And then the second
half talks about our needs. So he is here exemplifying
what he himself said later, seek first God's kingdom, and
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all other things shall be added unto you. So when
we pray as people of God, we first address God Lord,
let you will be done, Let your kingdom be established.
Let your name remain reverenced and wholly in my heart
and in my life.
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And then we go into our needs.
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It says, give us this day our daily bread, forgive
us our debts. As we forgive our debtors, lead us
not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
And so this is actually a perfect step by step
process of getting to the point of deliverance. Now, this
prayer is not just a deliverance prayer, but it's part
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It's right there. You can't really take it out of
this sentence. You can't change it and say like, oh,
this is not about deliverance, this is just about general
protection from even No, the meaning of the word is deliverance.
And so here he makes it clear that in order
to be delivered, we must resist temptation, we must receive forgiveness,
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and we must release forgiveness. Forgiveness is a breeding ground
for spiritual contamination. When you don't have forgiveness, when you
allow unforgiveness to dwell in your heart, that unforgiveness becomes
the breeding ground for spiritual contamination, meaning whatever comes in,
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it's going to continue to corrupt and get worse. When
we cast out demons, one of the main legal rights
that demons keep mentioning is unforgiveness. Unforgiveness is one of
the biggest open doors for demons and one of the
biggest reasons they don't don't come out. And so, if
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you have experienced trauma, you have had your heart broken,
you have been victimized, abuse, disappointed, discouraged, someone has betrayed you, offended, you,
taken advantage of you in one way or another way
that professionally, physically, whatever way there is forgiveness that needs
to be released. Forgiveness is a bridge that bridges the
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gap of offense. It's a key that unlocks doors closed
by hurt. It's a cell. It covers and heals the
wounds in our souls. Forgiveness reconciles families, repairs relationships, restores communication,
and redeems injustice. Forgiveness is not optional. If you can't forgive,
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you can't be delivered. That is the brutal truth. And
for some people that are like man, I'm trying, the
Holy Spirit is the only one that can truly help
you to release that forgiveness to those who have hurt you.
Forgiving someone does not mean you justify what they've done.
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You're gaslighting yourself, It's okay, what happened. No, it simply
means that you are ready to move on. And when
you release that forgiveness, Jesus can release you out.
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Of bondage of demons.
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And so that is something that we have understood, seeking
God's forgiveness through repentance, forgiving those who sin against. When
Jesus has death and debtors, he's not talking about physical
or financial debt.
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He's talking about emotional, relational deaths.
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And then resist temptation, meaning there is a part to
play before deliverance comes.
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All these small steps that Jesus is telling us.
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Pray like this prayer without following it through with acting
in faith.
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Is power less. We don't just pray and then do
nothing about it. We pray. For example, let me give
you an example of how to pray in faith. I pray.
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That it will not that it will stop reigning, and
so I leave my umbrella at home. In faith, I
pray that you know, whatever situation you find yourself in,
there's an act of faith connected to that prayer. And
if God answers or don't answer the prayer.
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You played your role.
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You acted in faith, because the answer to our prayer
is not our responsibility, it is God's responsibility. And what
a relief it is when we give that responsibility back
to him.
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And so that's the part of the Lord's Prayer.
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And now I'm going to go into a little bit
more about the deliverance from the evil one.
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There's certain degrees, varying degrees.
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Of demonization that I want to touch on today.
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Some of the criticism we received.
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Hungry jan is that we talk about the devil so
much we glorify demons all the time, and we just
can't stop talking about Hell.
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I'll tell you something, if you.
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Check statistically, which preacher in the New Testament preached about Satan,
demons and Hell more than anyone else.
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Do you know who it is?
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His name is Jesus Christ, Paul said in tewod Corinthians two,
verse eleven.
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We are not unaware of the devil's devices.
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Exposing how someone operates is not equal to glorifying their actions.
In fact, the Bible says what is said in the
secret shall be shouted out on the rooftops. It's not
talking about glorifying. Exposing your enemy is not glorifying him.
I believe that we live in a day and age
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where the Church needs to know who their real enemy is,
because when you're not told who your enemy is, that's
when you believe that someone who does not agree with
you politically, someone who does not understand your ideology, someone
who has a different color of skin, a different idea, background, ethnicity.
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Is part of the problem. But it's not.
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His name is Satan, the liar, the deceiver, and he
is the enemy. And we're so that we talk about
demons here does not mean that we glorify them at all.
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We talk about it to expose, okay, and so the different.
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Levels of demonization here. Part of this I've taken from
experience and others from scripture and other places, and so
I want to share with.
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You so that you can understand.
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If you need deliverance, maybe this is the stage where
you are at. And if you've already been through deliverance,
then you can help someone else. The first stage, the
first level of demonic influence, is something that many people face.
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We all do. In fact, it's called temptation.
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Temptation is the first level of demonic influence in your life.
Do we have anyone here who works in pest control
past control?
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No one.
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Does anyone have past control in their house, like the
mouse traps and stuff. So we have someone that comes
monthly and puts some stuff around our house and stuff.
There's this black box, puts it in the corner of
the house outside close to the entrance to like where
air goes into the whatever the underground is placed. It's
called there's a mouse trap. It's called perimeter control. So
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when you have a rodent infestation, there is various degrees
of severity. The first one is called outdoor activity. It's
called perimeter control, and the step after that is called
minor indoor activity, followed by active infestation, followed by the
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final stage, severe infestation. Each step of this has different cures.
When it comes to the perimeter control, they don't do
anything else and just put the black box outside to
catch any rodent that tries to find a way in.
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And so just we're drawing some similarities from the fact
that demonic influence or demonization comes in various degrees. Most likely,
Legion didn't wake up one day with a legion of.
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Demons inside of him.
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It was a gradual progression where one yes led to
another yes. Many small compromises started accumulating into a big
change in his heart, and then something happened, and so
on and so fourth and so Temptation is the first
point that the devil tries to get us. I believe
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this is three sources of temptation, the flesh, the world,
and the devil. Temptation may originate in the flesh, according
to James one fourteen James seven to twenty.
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Three, be encouraged by the world.
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According to first John two fifteen to seventeen, and amplified
by the devil, according to Matthew four one, Peter five eight,
and James four to seven. And this is the very
first point. At this point, no deliverance is needed. Everyone
is tempted. Being tempted is not even a sin. It's
when you take the bait that the yes has been given.
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That's why the Bible says, you know, when when Apostle
Paul writes he says, and don't go to sleep with anger,
and don't give the devil a foothold, it is because
he gets a little bit of an entrance, and that
he starts working and working and working. The next step
after temptation is not technically this list, by the way,
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is not always a perfect progression. I've made up this
framework to simplify the terms for myself. You can use
whatever terms you prefer, but this is how I view
and believe deliverance. Before going in further, we base all
these different varying degrees of demonic influence on the fact
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that Jesus constantly, in the context of deliverance, refers to
humans as houses. In Matthew twelve, twice he referred to
us as houses, especially the context of deliverance. First he says,
when you enter a strong man's house, you must first
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tie the strong man before plundering his goods. He's referring
to deliverance. Later on in that chapter he again says,
when a demon is cast out, he goes to desert
places and comes back, and when he finds the house
clean and put.
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In order, he goes and gets seven words.
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Apostle Paul in First Corinthians six nineteen and Second Corinthians
six sixteen both refers to us as houses where the
Holy Spirit dwells. Lastly, and this is the best example.
Jesus himself in John fourteen said, when we love Jesus
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and do what he has commanded, he and the Father
will come and make his home within us.
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Referring to our spirit.
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Everything that happens to us spar ritually seems to be
where someone or something occupies. And so the second step
I talked about, the first one being temptation, second one
is infestation. This level is not referring to people like
you and I. Infestation is referring to defiled ground. Is
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talking about when a house, a place, or an object
has demonic activity attached to it. Some of us might
have experienced it. I actually tried to do a YouTube video.
I was asking my viewers to like, hey, do you
have a haunted house.
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Hey, I'll come and do the thing. I wanna come
and do it.
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Because I thought it would be a good YouTube video
and you know, good learning experience for people. But this
kind of thing is not also necessary for you to
go for deliverance personally. This is once again where demonic
activity is happening in an area. And we believe in
that because when the burning bush was burning, God told Moses,
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take off your shoes, for the ground you're standing is holy,
just like the presence of God in that place made
the ground holy. So the presence of demonic spirits in
a place makes that place unholy.
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Solution is not for you to go for deliverance.
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Sometimes you go and sleep in a specific place, in
a hotel or in an airbnb, and something you're like, man,
everyone had nightmares.
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There was something so heavy about this place. Something was
wrong in this place. It's probably unholy ground.
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Maybe that place there's been placed spells or curses, or
they've done some witchcraft or demonic things in that area
and it's been designated as defiled demonic place. What you
do as a believer is you go. It takes some
anointing oil. If you've been to a preyer line, we
have anointing oil. You can make your own as well.
It's not the oil itself, it's the prayer in the
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name of Jesus that operates through the oil.
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And so you're going. You put that on the door
poll of the house.
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You go and pray and walk around the building and
you break any demonic influence in this place by the
blood of Jesus Christ. And so that's how you solve
stage number two. Stage number one. I forgot to mention temptation.
How you solve it? Confession. Confess your sins to someone.
Many times and I keep saying it, confession of sin
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is the.
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Little brother of deliverance.
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That's why when you fall into sin and you you
need to confess to your mom, to your dad, to
your spouse, to your pastor you have something on your
weigh heavy, it feels just like when you go for deliverance.
Because you know I'm going to the court and I
am guilty. It's meant to feel the way you feel like, man,
I'm gonna go and confess my sins. Feels it's gonna
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feel so good. Probably you're not there yet, and so
that's that's that's that.
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That's number two.
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Step number three and now it gets interesting here, guys.
Number three I call it affliction. Affliction is a deep
level of demonic influence. Many times you can find real
signs of demonic presence in.
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Your life at this stage.
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It often manifests in the form of financial, relational, or
physical attacks.
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In your life.
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This is like how the rat infestation was saying, minor
indoor activity. It means demons have found a way into
your life.
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But listen to this.
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You might never have heard this before. I want to
share it with you how the spiritual realm works. That
the demons have found access to you doesn't mean that
they live in you.
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Twenty four to seven. They come and they go.
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That's why people in this category when they come for
deliverance on our prayer line and we pray for them,
they're like, I know I've got demons. I know there's
something wrong. I need deliverance. You go for prayer, nothing
happens and they're like, why am I not manifesting? It's
because the demon isn't there right now. In fact, some
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demons are smart, they will make sure they're not there
when you go for deliverance. At in this category, that
means the prayer works just like the preventive measures to
a minor indoor activity of rats, where you seal all
the open doors. So the prayer seals the open doors.
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If there's something caught inside of you, it will be
cast out. But that means at that point, effectively you
have been delivered. Whether you manifested or not. The demons
simply wasn't there, and now the doors have been closed.
There's a role for you to play as well. But
that explains why some people stand on praying and they're like, I.
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Know I've got demons. Come on, come on, come out,
come on, come out out.
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Maybe if I shake a little bit, it will come out.
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It happens all the time. It's okay.
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Probably both you and me have done it at some
point in our life. Okay, it's okay, man, I know
there's something.
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Just leave me.
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I've done all the work. It's not there right now,
it's okay. The prayer will seal it and you are
set free. That's the level of affliction. The next stage
I call it oppression. This is now a little bit deeper.
This is no longer just flirting. Now our boyfriend girlfriend
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with those demons, they've got the keys, and so at
this stage, the fourth stage, I call it oppression. This
is now a deeper level of demonic influence. The demons
got keys. They can come and go as they wish.
Closing the door is not enough anymore. Now they need
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to actually be cast out. And so sometimes even at
this stage, the demons are not permanently there.
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That means you have your good days and you've got
your bad days, but bad days.
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Are quickly becoming more frequent than good days. That's a
good sign that something's wrong. And so when you go
for deliverance at that point, the demons they get cast out.
At this point, that's what we call demonic manifestation.
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That's the one I like a lot.
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You cast it out, all the nasty, nasty cut out
in the name of Jesus, and thank you Jesus are free.
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That's this level.
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Okay, This many times involves recurring nightmares, attacks in your dreams,
maybe even physical manifestations in your body, such as scratches
or bruises. Your soul is in duress, You've got intrusive thoughts,
you're hearing voices, you have kind of like an affinity
for sin. You're becoming attracted to sin more and more.
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It's no longer repulsive to you. You're actually kind of
enjoying s a little bit. And you're still battling, but
you're slowly, slowly losing the battle. This is that stage,
and this one prayer line is perfect after Sunday service.
Here it might be a little bit short of time
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because we got about four or five minutes and we
need to do a lot of work. And sometimes at
this stage you actually have some groundwork to do as well.
You need to renounce, You need to make sure that
you've released trauma, you have broken all the generation or curses,
you have gone all you've done, all the due diligence crossed,
all the tea's dotted, all the eyes. That's how you
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say it in us, right. I'm Swedish, so sometimes these
American things, my wife will tell me afterwards. She's like,
now you said it backwards. One time I said something
really embarrassing on the stage. I'm not gonna repeat it,
but I have to do something. I mixed two sayings.
It's a hard pill to swallow and a tough nut
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to crack and I'm mix it and it was like, that's.
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The live stream. Off the live stream.
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I blame language barrier. I'm getting better though, Praise God.
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You don't. You got to your left out. So that's oppression.
This is prey line service.
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This is one on one sessions with a pastor with
the minister. You can do it in a life group,
but your life group leader has to be ready to
go for it. The other stage is affliction, perfect for
Sunday service. You just come up after service, they deal
with it, good to go. You can do it in
your life group. You can even do self deliverance affliction.
That's where self deliverance works. Okay, when you go deeper,
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self deliverance is no longer possible. On those deeper levels,
you're gonna need some help from the outside. It's like
you got rats in your house, Like I know how
to catch rats, okay, do you though, like some of
us do, And you're like, yeah, I take my slipper
and I just when I see it aslam it about
the ones running in your wall. I'll figure it out.
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That's when you need more help. The next stage, and
I'm gonna hurry up. Here is subjugation. This is the
deepest level of demonic influence. At this point, your soul,
which consists of your mind, will, and emotions, are surrendered
and submitted to the demons. That means that your will
power has been reduced. Your free will is under attack.
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Demons are trying to take full control of your life.
This there will be manifestation every single time someone who
is under subjugation comes for deliverance. The demons are now
pretty much constantly there. The difference differentiating between your thoughts
and the demon's thoughts are becoming harder and harder, and
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you can't really differentiate. You begin to lose your identity,
maybe even the blur line between sin and you don't
even know when you cross the line and when everything
is a blur, and it's becoming more deeper levels of addiction, perversion,
deeper levels of sin, unforgiveness, and rejection you begin to follow,
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You begin to identify with those things in your life.
This I would suggest going for a one on one
deliverance because there's job to be done. There's probably inner healing,
there is a discipleship process, and you need to go
through all of that to experience full deliverance at this point,
and listen, there is no shame. We are not here
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to tell you, oh, you're the most severe case. Listen,
I was the most severe case.
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Okay.
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I strongly believe as Jesus said, those who have been
forgiven much love much. I believe that those have been
delivered from much. It's because God has such a great
plan for their life, and they're gonna be used as
a light and assault in this world. So never for
a moment allow the lives of shame, guilt, and condemnation
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to come and tell you, ah, the severest level. Of course,
you know, the worst of the worst. Listen, friend, We're
all the worst of the worst. It's just you're You're
ahead of those who are just afflicted. You're just ahead
of them. It means your freedom is coming faster as well.
And so we are not here to try to like you.
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This.
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No, this is just for you to help out for me.
They all come out in the name of Jesus. I
don't really care if you shake, bake, no shaking speaking out,
no speaking out like.
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Name of Jesus out.
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Nothing manifests you're free.
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Something manifests you're free. You're free.
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After that, okay, But subjugation is like the deepest level
many times occultism, witchcraft, active involvement, sexual perversion, violence, abuse,
deep levels of addiction. And then we have the final one.
This is called domination. It's the final stage of demonization.
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Imagine Legion rights, Legion in scripture. Legion didn't wake up
one day and said, man, something feels different.
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I prayed last night.
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Now I woke up and I've got a legion of
demons inside. I mean, how did I wake up in
the graveyard? No, it was a progression. Okay, many small
yess led to that point.
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This domination is very rare.
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It's like less than one in one thousands of people
that need deliverance. This is where it gets really like
the person is no longer there.
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Everything feels like a dream.
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They can no longer distinguish, they will leave, they don't.
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Their identity is gone.
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It's demonic, fully, And these are the kind of stories
that you see on Hollywood. Okay, you said they're crawling
up the walls, upside down or whatever, head spinning or whatever,
all those kind of demonic movies. And they do that,
and they show that, and they say, oh, you see
if someone needs deliverance, and they don't do that. It's
not demon such a desensitization. When they can't defeat the
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name of Jesus, they have to make it so awkward
and weird and make people feel like deliverance.
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This is so weird.
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It's dark, and this is a who minister's deliverance when
it's raining outside in the middle of the night, Like
we do deliverance right here. You know, all those kind
and I've seen that stuff. I've seen people crawl up
the walls, run upside down, voices changing. Well, it's real,
but we're not scared of that.
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And when they come.
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Most of the time, these people don't even want to
want deliverance.
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They're here for there. Here is an agent to try to.
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Cause confusion, so heaviness seduce the pastor cause this and that,
kind of like witchcraft on assignment and stuff like that.
And so they get caught in the presence of God
and they get cast out just the same. That they
are a higher degree does not mean listen to this.
That they are a higher degree of demonization does mean
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that you need a higher degree of anointing. That anointing
is the same in the name of Jesus and every
rank and power and principality must bow.
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To the name of Jesus. And so that's the different levels.
This is.
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If you are here and you need deliverance, we will
have prayers afterwards in the second sanctuary. If you're here
and you've been set free already, maybe this will help
you to lead some other people through deliverance.
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We hope you enjoyed this week's message, so we're gonna
talk about that today.
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I'm gonna help you a little bit to understand how
we view deliverance. I love to I mean, I think
about deliverance like all day.
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Every day.
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It's all I think pretty much, you know, I just
love it. I'm like, oh man, that's true. What about
this experience? How does that tie into scripture? And how
can we do this? So today's message is titled deliver
us from Evil, and we're gonna go to the Book
of Matthew, chapter six. This is the Lord's prayer Jesus
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here modeled to his disciples a framework for prayer.
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Most Dielogians agree.
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That this is not a literal that we have to
literally quote these words of Jesus, but it's a framework
on how to pray according to God's will. Okay, So
let's go through it here. I'm reading from NK JV.
In this manner, Therefore, pray Matthew six, verse nine, Our
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Father in heaven.
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Hallo be your name, your Kingdom. Come. Your will be
done on earth as it is in Heaven.
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Give us this day our daily bread, and forgive us
our debts, as we forgive our debtors. And do not
lead us into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
For Yours is the Kingdom and the power and the
glory forever.
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Amen.
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There's two components to this passage here and just real quick,
The Book of Matthew. The original language of the Gospel
of Matthew. Most theological historians, about eighty to eighty five
percent of them agree that Matthew was originally written in Greek.
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Matthew understood Greek because the common language of the Roman
Empire was Greek language, and so in order for the
Gospel to reach as far as it possibly could, they
wrote the Gospels originally in Greek. Now, there might have
been some notes that he took in his native tongue Aramic,
but generally theologians agree that it was written originally in Greek.
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So when you go to the.
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Root word of it, the Greek root would be the
original word of how Matthew framed his thoughts when he
wrote this, and so first of all, I dug into
it because I was wondering. Jesus here tells us to
pray for God to deliver us from evil. Is this
kind of like a general kind of protect us from
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general evil? Or what is he referring to here? So
I dug into it and looked into the word. First
of all, deliver. The root word here is called rumi,
and it means to deliver. The meaning is to rescue,
draw to oneself, to deliver from danger, liberate, snatch from,
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or protect. The classical Greek usage would be to draw
or drag out of danger, as in pulling someone from
a rushing river or dragging them from the battlefield. And
this word right here, it's very important to understand.
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That it has a twofold meaning.
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It means number one, snatching someone out of danger and
simultaneously dragging them towards oneself. It's a twofold snatching them
out and pulling them close.
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And so when Jesus says that we.
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Should pray for God to deliver us, it's a prose.
It's a twofold situation where we're delivered out of something
and at the same time being drawn closer to God.
And that is what deliverance is. Deliverance is not just
the casting out of demons, but never being drawn closer
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to God. It is twofold one must lead to the other,
and that's the rut. That's the first word deliver us,
the second one from evil in esv or in New
King Jamess as from the evil one.
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The root word here is ponier ross.
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That means evil, wicked, malicious, hurtful, morally.
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Corrupt, or the evil one.
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He is very clearly here referring to Satan. This is
not deliver us from general evil. You know, we have
different world views. Some people ascribe to our worldview that
believes that the world is generally evil. People are generally evil.
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That's not what this world is referring to. Meaning it's
not asking for God to deliver us out of the
world or to keep us safe from general evil. It's
referring specifically to intentional wickedness, the personification of moral compromise,
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the very one who embodies evil, and his name is Satan,
the deceiver. So when Jesus tells us to pray like this,
he's directly telling us to pray for deliverance out of
the hands of the devil.
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Drawing us near to himself.
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He teaches disciples to live in reference for God's name,
longing for his reign, practical obedience, daily dependence, reciprocal forgiveness,
and spiritual vigilance.
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It's twofold. The prayer.
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First part is talking about the God Word, praying to God,
let your kingdom come, Let your will be done on
earth as it is in heaven. And then the second
half talks about our needs. So he is here exemplifying
what he himself said later, seek first God's kingdom, and
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all other things shall be added unto you. So when
we pray as people of God, we first address God Lord,
let you will be done, Let your kingdom be established.
Let your name remain reverenced and wholly in my heart
and in my life.
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And then we go into our needs.
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It says, give us this day our daily bread, forgive
us our debts. As we forgive our debtors, lead us
not into temptation, but deliver us from the evil one.
And so this is actually a perfect step by step
process of getting to the point of deliverance. Now, this
prayer is not just a deliverance prayer, but it's part
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It's right there. You can't really take it out of
this sentence. You can't change it and say like, oh,
this is not about deliverance, this is just about general
protection from even No, the meaning of the word is deliverance.
And so here he makes it clear that in order
to be delivered, we must resist temptation, we must receive forgiveness,
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and we must release forgiveness. Forgiveness is a breeding ground
for spiritual contamination. When you don't have forgiveness, when you
allow unforgiveness to dwell in your heart, that unforgiveness becomes
the breeding ground for spiritual contamination, meaning whatever comes in,
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it's going to continue to corrupt and get worse. When
we cast out demons, one of the main legal rights
that demons keep mentioning is unforgiveness. Unforgiveness is one of
the biggest open doors for demons and one of the
biggest reasons they don't don't come out. And so, if
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you have experienced trauma, you have had your heart broken,
you have been victimized, abuse, disappointed, discouraged, someone has betrayed you, offended, you,
taken advantage of you in one way or another way
that professionally, physically, whatever way there is forgiveness that needs
to be released. Forgiveness is a bridge that bridges the
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gap of offense. It's a key that unlocks doors closed
by hurt. It's a cell. It covers and heals the
wounds in our souls. Forgiveness reconciles families, repairs relationships, restores communication,
and redeems injustice. Forgiveness is not optional. If you can't forgive,
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you can't be delivered. That is the brutal truth. And
for some people that are like man, I'm trying, the
Holy Spirit is the only one that can truly help
you to release that forgiveness to those who have hurt you.
Forgiving someone does not mean you justify what they've done.
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You're gaslighting yourself, It's okay, what happened. No, it simply
means that you are ready to move on. And when
you release that forgiveness, Jesus can release you out.
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Of bondage of demons.
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And so that is something that we have understood, seeking
God's forgiveness through repentance, forgiving those who sin against. When
Jesus has death and debtors, he's not talking about physical
or financial debt.
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He's talking about emotional, relational deaths.
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And then resist temptation, meaning there is a part to
play before deliverance comes.
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All these small steps that Jesus is telling us.
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Pray like this prayer without following it through with acting
in faith.
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Is power less. We don't just pray and then do
nothing about it. We pray. For example, let me give
you an example of how to pray in faith. I pray.
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That it will not that it will stop reigning, and
so I leave my umbrella at home. In faith, I
pray that you know, whatever situation you find yourself in,
there's an act of faith connected to that prayer. And
if God answers or don't answer the prayer.
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You played your role.
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You acted in faith, because the answer to our prayer
is not our responsibility, it is God's responsibility. And what
a relief it is when we give that responsibility back
to him.
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And so that's the part of the Lord's Prayer.
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And now I'm going to go into a little bit
more about the deliverance from the evil one.
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There's certain degrees, varying degrees.
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Of demonization that I want to touch on today.
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Some of the criticism we received.
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Hungry jan is that we talk about the devil so
much we glorify demons all the time, and we just
can't stop talking about Hell.
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I'll tell you something, if you.
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Check statistically, which preacher in the New Testament preached about Satan,
demons and Hell more than anyone else.
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Do you know who it is?
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His name is Jesus Christ, Paul said in tewod Corinthians two,
verse eleven.
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We are not unaware of the devil's devices.
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Exposing how someone operates is not equal to glorifying their actions.
In fact, the Bible says what is said in the
secret shall be shouted out on the rooftops. It's not
talking about glorifying. Exposing your enemy is not glorifying him.
I believe that we live in a day and age
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where the Church needs to know who their real enemy is,
because when you're not told who your enemy is, that's
when you believe that someone who does not agree with
you politically, someone who does not understand your ideology, someone
who has a different color of skin, a different idea, background, ethnicity.
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Is part of the problem. But it's not.
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His name is Satan, the liar, the deceiver, and he
is the enemy. And we're so that we talk about
demons here does not mean that we glorify them at all.
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We talk about it to expose, okay, and so the different.
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Levels of demonization here. Part of this I've taken from
experience and others from scripture and other places, and so
I want to share with.
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You so that you can understand.
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If you need deliverance, maybe this is the stage where
you are at. And if you've already been through deliverance,
then you can help someone else. The first stage, the
first level of demonic influence, is something that many people face.
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We all do. In fact, it's called temptation.
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Temptation is the first level of demonic influence in your life.
Do we have anyone here who works in pest control
past control?
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No one.
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Does anyone have past control in their house, like the
mouse traps and stuff. So we have someone that comes
monthly and puts some stuff around our house and stuff.
There's this black box, puts it in the corner of
the house outside close to the entrance to like where
air goes into the whatever the underground is placed. It's
called there's a mouse trap. It's called perimeter control. So
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when you have a rodent infestation, there is various degrees
of severity. The first one is called outdoor activity. It's
called perimeter control, and the step after that is called
minor indoor activity, followed by active infestation, followed by the
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final stage, severe infestation. Each step of this has different cures.
When it comes to the perimeter control, they don't do
anything else and just put the black box outside to
catch any rodent that tries to find a way in.
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And so just we're drawing some similarities from the fact
that demonic influence or demonization comes in various degrees. Most likely,
Legion didn't wake up one day with a legion of.
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Demons inside of him.
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It was a gradual progression where one yes led to
another yes. Many small compromises started accumulating into a big
change in his heart, and then something happened, and so
on and so fourth and so Temptation is the first
point that the devil tries to get us. I believe
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this is three sources of temptation, the flesh, the world,
and the devil. Temptation may originate in the flesh, according
to James one fourteen James seven to twenty.
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Three, be encouraged by the world.
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According to first John two fifteen to seventeen, and amplified
by the devil, according to Matthew four one, Peter five eight,
and James four to seven. And this is the very
first point. At this point, no deliverance is needed. Everyone
is tempted. Being tempted is not even a sin. It's
when you take the bait that the yes has been given.
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That's why the Bible says, you know, when when Apostle
Paul writes he says, and don't go to sleep with anger,
and don't give the devil a foothold, it is because
he gets a little bit of an entrance, and that
he starts working and working and working. The next step
after temptation is not technically this list, by the way,
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is not always a perfect progression. I've made up this
framework to simplify the terms for myself. You can use
whatever terms you prefer, but this is how I view
and believe deliverance. Before going in further, we base all
these different varying degrees of demonic influence on the fact
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that Jesus constantly, in the context of deliverance, refers to
humans as houses. In Matthew twelve, twice he referred to
us as houses, especially the context of deliverance. First he says,
when you enter a strong man's house, you must first
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tie the strong man before plundering his goods. He's referring
to deliverance. Later on in that chapter he again says,
when a demon is cast out, he goes to desert
places and comes back, and when he finds the house
clean and put.
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In order, he goes and gets seven words.
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Apostle Paul in First Corinthians six nineteen and Second Corinthians
six sixteen both refers to us as houses where the
Holy Spirit dwells. Lastly, and this is the best example.
Jesus himself in John fourteen said, when we love Jesus
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and do what he has commanded, he and the Father
will come and make his home within us.
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Referring to our spirit.
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Everything that happens to us spar ritually seems to be
where someone or something occupies. And so the second step
I talked about, the first one being temptation, second one
is infestation. This level is not referring to people like
you and I. Infestation is referring to defiled ground. Is
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talking about when a house, a place, or an object
has demonic activity attached to it. Some of us might
have experienced it. I actually tried to do a YouTube video.
I was asking my viewers to like, hey, do you
have a haunted house.
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Hey, I'll come and do the thing. I wanna come
and do it.
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Because I thought it would be a good YouTube video
and you know, good learning experience for people. But this
kind of thing is not also necessary for you to
go for deliverance personally. This is once again where demonic
activity is happening in an area. And we believe in
that because when the burning bush was burning, God told Moses,
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take off your shoes, for the ground you're standing is holy,
just like the presence of God in that place made
the ground holy. So the presence of demonic spirits in
a place makes that place unholy.
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Solution is not for you to go for deliverance.
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Sometimes you go and sleep in a specific place, in
a hotel or in an airbnb, and something you're like, man,
everyone had nightmares.
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There was something so heavy about this place. Something was
wrong in this place. It's probably unholy ground.
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Maybe that place there's been placed spells or curses, or
they've done some witchcraft or demonic things in that area
and it's been designated as defiled demonic place. What you
do as a believer is you go. It takes some
anointing oil. If you've been to a preyer line, we
have anointing oil. You can make your own as well.
It's not the oil itself, it's the prayer in the
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name of Jesus that operates through the oil.
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And so you're going. You put that on the door
poll of the house.
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You go and pray and walk around the building and
you break any demonic influence in this place by the
blood of Jesus Christ. And so that's how you solve
stage number two. Stage number one. I forgot to mention temptation.
How you solve it? Confession. Confess your sins to someone.
Many times and I keep saying it, confession of sin
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is the.
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Little brother of deliverance.
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That's why when you fall into sin and you you
need to confess to your mom, to your dad, to
your spouse, to your pastor you have something on your
weigh heavy, it feels just like when you go for deliverance.
Because you know I'm going to the court and I
am guilty. It's meant to feel the way you feel like, man,
I'm gonna go and confess my sins. Feels it's gonna
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feel so good. Probably you're not there yet, and so
that's that's that's that.
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That's number two.
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Step number three and now it gets interesting here, guys.
Number three I call it affliction. Affliction is a deep
level of demonic influence. Many times you can find real
signs of demonic presence in.
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Your life at this stage.
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It often manifests in the form of financial, relational, or
physical attacks.
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In your life.
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This is like how the rat infestation was saying, minor
indoor activity. It means demons have found a way into
your life.
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But listen to this.
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You might never have heard this before. I want to
share it with you how the spiritual realm works. That
the demons have found access to you doesn't mean that
they live in you.
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Twenty four to seven. They come and they go.
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That's why people in this category when they come for
deliverance on our prayer line and we pray for them,
they're like, I know I've got demons. I know there's
something wrong. I need deliverance. You go for prayer, nothing
happens and they're like, why am I not manifesting? It's
because the demon isn't there right now. In fact, some
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demons are smart, they will make sure they're not there
when you go for deliverance. At in this category, that
means the prayer works just like the preventive measures to
a minor indoor activity of rats, where you seal all
the open doors. So the prayer seals the open doors.
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If there's something caught inside of you, it will be
cast out. But that means at that point, effectively you
have been delivered. Whether you manifested or not. The demons
simply wasn't there, and now the doors have been closed.
There's a role for you to play as well. But
that explains why some people stand on praying and they're like, I.
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Know I've got demons. Come on, come on, come out,
come on, come out out.
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Maybe if I shake a little bit, it will come out.
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It happens all the time. It's okay.
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Probably both you and me have done it at some
point in our life. Okay, it's okay, man, I know
there's something.
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Just leave me.
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I've done all the work. It's not there right now,
it's okay. The prayer will seal it and you are
set free. That's the level of affliction. The next stage
I call it oppression. This is now a little bit deeper.
This is no longer just flirting. Now our boyfriend girlfriend
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with those demons, they've got the keys, and so at
this stage, the fourth stage, I call it oppression. This
is now a deeper level of demonic influence. The demons
got keys. They can come and go as they wish.
Closing the door is not enough anymore. Now they need
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to actually be cast out. And so sometimes even at
this stage, the demons are not permanently there.
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That means you have your good days and you've got
your bad days, but bad days.
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Are quickly becoming more frequent than good days. That's a
good sign that something's wrong. And so when you go
for deliverance at that point, the demons they get cast out.
At this point, that's what we call demonic manifestation.
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That's the one I like a lot.
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You cast it out, all the nasty, nasty cut out
in the name of Jesus, and thank you Jesus are free.
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That's this level.
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Okay, This many times involves recurring nightmares, attacks in your dreams,
maybe even physical manifestations in your body, such as scratches
or bruises. Your soul is in duress, You've got intrusive thoughts,
you're hearing voices, you have kind of like an affinity
for sin. You're becoming attracted to sin more and more.
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It's no longer repulsive to you. You're actually kind of
enjoying s a little bit. And you're still battling, but
you're slowly, slowly losing the battle. This is that stage,
and this one prayer line is perfect after Sunday service.
Here it might be a little bit short of time
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because we got about four or five minutes and we
need to do a lot of work. And sometimes at
this stage you actually have some groundwork to do as well.
You need to renounce, You need to make sure that
you've released trauma, you have broken all the generation or curses,
you have gone all you've done, all the due diligence crossed,
all the tea's dotted, all the eyes. That's how you
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say it in us, right. I'm Swedish, so sometimes these
American things, my wife will tell me afterwards. She's like,
now you said it backwards. One time I said something
really embarrassing on the stage. I'm not gonna repeat it,
but I have to do something. I mixed two sayings.
It's a hard pill to swallow and a tough nut
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to crack and I'm mix it and it was like, that's.
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The live stream. Off the live stream.
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I blame language barrier. I'm getting better though, Praise God.
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You don't. You got to your left out. So that's oppression.
This is prey line service.
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This is one on one sessions with a pastor with
the minister. You can do it in a life group,
but your life group leader has to be ready to
go for it. The other stage is affliction, perfect for
Sunday service. You just come up after service, they deal
with it, good to go. You can do it in
your life group. You can even do self deliverance affliction.
That's where self deliverance works. Okay, when you go deeper,
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self deliverance is no longer possible. On those deeper levels,
you're gonna need some help from the outside. It's like
you got rats in your house, Like I know how
to catch rats, okay, do you though, like some of
us do, And you're like, yeah, I take my slipper
and I just when I see it aslam it about
the ones running in your wall. I'll figure it out.
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That's when you need more help. The next stage, and
I'm gonna hurry up. Here is subjugation. This is the
deepest level of demonic influence. At this point, your soul,
which consists of your mind, will, and emotions, are surrendered
and submitted to the demons. That means that your will
power has been reduced. Your free will is under attack.
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Demons are trying to take full control of your life.
This there will be manifestation every single time someone who
is under subjugation comes for deliverance. The demons are now
pretty much constantly there. The difference differentiating between your thoughts
and the demon's thoughts are becoming harder and harder, and
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you can't really differentiate. You begin to lose your identity,
maybe even the blur line between sin and you don't
even know when you cross the line and when everything
is a blur, and it's becoming more deeper levels of addiction, perversion,
deeper levels of sin, unforgiveness, and rejection you begin to follow,
(28:14):
You begin to identify with those things in your life.
This I would suggest going for a one on one
deliverance because there's job to be done. There's probably inner healing,
there is a discipleship process, and you need to go
through all of that to experience full deliverance at this point,
and listen, there is no shame. We are not here
(28:37):
to tell you, oh, you're the most severe case. Listen,
I was the most severe case.
Speaker 2 (28:41):
Okay.
Speaker 3 (28:42):
I strongly believe as Jesus said, those who have been
forgiven much love much. I believe that those have been
delivered from much. It's because God has such a great
plan for their life, and they're gonna be used as
a light and assault in this world. So never for
a moment allow the lives of shame, guilt, and condemnation
(29:05):
to come and tell you, ah, the severest level. Of course,
you know, the worst of the worst. Listen, friend, We're
all the worst of the worst. It's just you're You're
ahead of those who are just afflicted. You're just ahead
of them. It means your freedom is coming faster as well.
And so we are not here to try to like you.
Speaker 2 (29:24):
This.
Speaker 3 (29:25):
No, this is just for you to help out for me.
They all come out in the name of Jesus. I
don't really care if you shake, bake, no shaking speaking out,
no speaking out like.
Speaker 2 (29:34):
Name of Jesus out.
Speaker 3 (29:37):
Nothing manifests you're free.
Speaker 2 (29:38):
Something manifests you're free. You're free.
Speaker 3 (29:41):
After that, okay, But subjugation is like the deepest level
many times occultism, witchcraft, active involvement, sexual perversion, violence, abuse,
deep levels of addiction. And then we have the final one.
This is called domination. It's the final stage of demonization.
(30:04):
Imagine Legion rights, Legion in scripture. Legion didn't wake up
one day and said, man, something feels different.
Speaker 2 (30:13):
I prayed last night.
Speaker 3 (30:15):
Now I woke up and I've got a legion of
demons inside. I mean, how did I wake up in
the graveyard? No, it was a progression. Okay, many small
yess led to that point.
Speaker 2 (30:25):
This domination is very rare.
Speaker 3 (30:27):
It's like less than one in one thousands of people
that need deliverance. This is where it gets really like
the person is no longer there.
Speaker 2 (30:35):
Everything feels like a dream.
Speaker 3 (30:38):
They can no longer distinguish, they will leave, they don't.
Speaker 2 (30:41):
Their identity is gone.
Speaker 3 (30:43):
It's demonic, fully, And these are the kind of stories
that you see on Hollywood. Okay, you said they're crawling
up the walls, upside down or whatever, head spinning or whatever,
all those kind of demonic movies. And they do that,
and they show that, and they say, oh, you see
if someone needs deliverance, and they don't do that. It's
not demon such a desensitization. When they can't defeat the
(31:05):
name of Jesus, they have to make it so awkward
and weird and make people feel like deliverance.
Speaker 2 (31:11):
This is so weird.
Speaker 3 (31:12):
It's dark, and this is a who minister's deliverance when
it's raining outside in the middle of the night, Like
we do deliverance right here. You know, all those kind
and I've seen that stuff. I've seen people crawl up
the walls, run upside down, voices changing. Well, it's real,
but we're not scared of that.
Speaker 2 (31:32):
And when they come.
Speaker 3 (31:32):
Most of the time, these people don't even want to
want deliverance.
Speaker 2 (31:36):
They're here for there. Here is an agent to try to.
Speaker 3 (31:40):
Cause confusion, so heaviness seduce the pastor cause this and that,
kind of like witchcraft on assignment and stuff like that.
And so they get caught in the presence of God
and they get cast out just the same. That they
are a higher degree does not mean listen to this.
That they are a higher degree of demonization does mean
(32:00):
that you need a higher degree of anointing. That anointing
is the same in the name of Jesus and every
rank and power and principality must bow.
Speaker 2 (32:09):
To the name of Jesus. And so that's the different levels.
This is.
Speaker 3 (32:17):
If you are here and you need deliverance, we will
have prayers afterwards in the second sanctuary. If you're here
and you've been set free already, maybe this will help
you to lead some other people through deliverance.
Speaker 2 (32:29):
Thanks for listening to today's podcast.
Speaker 1 (32:31):
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Speaker 1 (32:54):
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