November 17, 2025 • 38 mins
A biblical call to honor God’s plan for Israel, reject replacement theology, and walk in truth and humility.
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This is Hungry Gen podcast, and I just want to
thank you for joining us today here at HG. Our
vision is to see thousands say locally and millions globally.
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We hope you enjoyed this week's message.
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I'm going to talk about a message called God's first Button. Now,
the grandson of Derek Prince presented something that was really
powerful and he said this. My grandfather used to say
that Israel is extremely important to God. It is like
God's first button. While buttoning up your shirt, if you
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get the first button in the wrong hole, then all
of the other buttons will end up in the wrong holes.
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Have you ever done that?
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If you get the first button wrong, the rest of
the button is go wrong.
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And what we're gonna be talking.
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About today is Israel. What is Hungry Jen? Not on
the hungry Jen? What does the Bible teach about that?
What is happening in our culture right now is there
is the radical left which is hugely woke and now
is becoming the right, which is becoming antismatic America First Movement, which,
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by the way, I love this country. This country is
so amazing that those who hate it.
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Don't want to leave.
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I came to the United States about twenty five years ago.
And I can tell you I absolutely love this country.
But my love for this country and having the politically
being aligned to America first does not mean America only
and all other nations are not important to God. With
that said, what is beginning to happen there are voices
that are rising up on both the left and the
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right that begins to create oxygen for anti Semitism, and
we want to address that today from the biblical stance.
What does the Bible teach about our relationship toward the
nation of Israel. The further the end times are coming,
the more we're going to see this tension that is
going to be happening in our politics and also in spirituality.
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What is beginning to happen today is that are conservative
voices that have large influence online who have been pushing
before have said a lot of great things that were right,
But now what's been happening is they're denying Holocaust. They
are pushing antisemitic agenda, and many Christians are falling prey
to that just because before some of these voices have set.
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Something that were right.
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But my friend, even a broken clock is twice right
a day my friend, I want to remind you that
demons will write about the divinity of Jesus. In March
chapter one, there were still demons. Someone can be right
about something in one season and even be rites about
something right now and not have the right posture of heart.
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So as Christians, we're not being discipled by TikTok, nor
are we being discipled by influencers. We have to go
back to the scriptures. Amen, I want to present something
that is dear to me. I joined the church since
this church started by my uncle. At the age of thirteen,
I started to get involved in preaching. At the age
of sixteen, I became the youth leader and I was
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in until thirty was the youth youth pastor of this church.
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At the age of.
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Thirty, my pastor promoted me or elevated me to the.
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Position of being the lead pastor.
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During COVID twenty twenty, something happened and I launched my
own ministry, my own YouTube, books, all of the other stuff.
And what started to happen is duality. In one sense,
I am in this church and I'm part of this church.
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This is what I belong this is my church.
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In the other sense, I have another ministry on the
side that is actually growing very fast.
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For example, the YouTube that it took our church to.
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Grow into half a million in seventeen years, half a
million subscribers. In my ministry, it took twelve months for
a million subscribers to come in, very rapid growth.
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It started to touch people.
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I mean a lot of you are here and you
watch the videos way before.
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You came in.
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We were yesterday in some kind of eating place and
the lady owner comes in.
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She's like, hey, I didn't know you were famous, I said.
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She says, I just discovered your videos and I watched
twenty of them.
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They were amazing.
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And this is happening out of the community all the time.
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So I have these two things.
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One is the local church that I'm a part of,
and the other one is this ministry that is reaching.
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Really the world called the Assam.
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Now, in the beginning, I was tempted to actually leave.
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The local church pastoral role.
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And just focus on the ministry and saying, you know what,
this is growing really fast and I need to walk
away from the church responsibility. But through the wisdom of
others and praying into it, I felt like, no, the
Lord didn't call me to leave the local church and
just focus on this ministry, Nor did he call me
to leave the ministry and only focus on.
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The local church.
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There is a duality that is happening, and one blesses
the other.
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In the last three years, I was.
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Able to be a volunteer at Hungry Jen not receive
salary because this ministry is taking care.
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Of those needs.
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So I'm able to be a blessing to Hungry Jen today.
And people who are knowing me and knowing my ministry.
One particular person who's donating over a million dollars toward
their building is donating it through my ministry because he says,
I know I.
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Don't know Hungry Jen.
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So today God is using this ministry to help Hungry Jen.
Now imagine this. If I was simply say that just
because my ministry is taken off, I need to walk
away from the church today, how would you feel about that?
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Sad?
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And so many Christians view the nation of Israel in
the same way. The nation of Israel is like hungry Jen.
To God, he in the beginning made a covenant with
this guy named Abraham, and then with his descendants.
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We still sing songs lying of Judah.
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You know Judah, that's not a Presbyterian denomination, that's a
tribe in Israel. And so God not only chose this nation,
God also revealed his promises to this name.
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And God told this nation that one day.
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There's gonna come a Messiah to this nation. And the
Messiah is not gonna be only for this nation, but
the nations of the world are gonna be blessed because
of this Messiah. And so Messiah Jesus Christ, who came
in and the Christmas is coming around the corner. When
Gabriel came to Mary, Gabriel told Mary, he said, hey.
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You're gonna have a son.
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And it's interesting that Gabriel told him that he will
be the king sitting on.
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His father's throne. And the father was David.
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And he said not only that, but he will rule
over Judah, over Israel forever, now forever. It was not
an exaggeration. Forever means Jesus is the king of the Jews,
and that is gonna happen for eternity. That that's gonna
happen forever. Angel was not bluffing when he was saying
that what about us, But we got inserted. We got
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drafted Paulses in Romans chapter eleven, meaning we got added
to that we are participants with what God was doing
in this beautiful story with the nation of Israel. Now
some people have gotten to the place today where they're saying, well,
just because the Church, mainly made out of Gentiles, is
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spreading the message of the Messiah, the message of the
good news of his Kingdom to the nations of the world,
and because it has such a powerful reach, today God
has abandoned. He walked away, and he said, yeah, I'm
done with these people. Why they help me to bring Jesus,
But now I have nothing to do with them. Because
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the Church is the one that is reaching the nations,
and my covenant.
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Is now with the Church.
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It would be equivalent to me saying, well, my ministry
is reaching the world. Byebye, hungry Jian. God doesn't do that.
If I not doing that and I'm not perfect human being,
God doesn't do that. I to show today to the
scripture of many examples where God not only is not
done with Israel, but God still has a plan for
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the nation of Israel. Why is that important to us?
If your idea that just because we as Christians followers
of Jesus now have this special relationship with God. And
God abandoned the nation of Israel. You're not only misrepresenting
the nation of Israel, you're actually misdrepresenting God.
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And you give an example.
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Let's say that you have an oldest son and your
oldest son went to college. You gave him a promise
before he went to college. When you complete college, I'm
gonna buy you a fast sports car of your dreams.
So the oldest son is finishing his undergrad and he's
going to a grad school, is about to finish, and
the father comes and says, hey, I need to meet
with you. And he's coming with your adopted half brother.
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And the father come to you and says this, hey, son,
I want.
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To tell you. You know your brother.
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You have brother. I blessed him with the car. Now,
most of you will say, well, that's great. I'm so
glad that my brother has a car. Nothing wrong with that, right,
And that's exactly what happened the nation of Israel.
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God gave them.
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Promises, and then God drafted the nations who are following
of the followers of the Messiah and made us share
with the riches and the blessings that was given to
the Messiah, who was a Jew. Nothing wrong with that,
that's good. The generosity of God includes the nations. Now,
imagine the father came to his son who is finishing
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his grad school and says, son, remember the promise I made,
I'll buy you a fast supercar when you graduate.
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Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Dad. Well, you know, my true.
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Son is actually your brother now, and I bought him
that car. How many of you would look for your
dad and say, oh, yeah understand, Yeah, I'm not your
true son anymore. Yeah, I know you said that, you
didn't mean it, You didn't tell me you didn't mean it,
and now you gave that to him.
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Yeah, totally cool. High five dad.
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No, you will say, Dad, you lie to me. You said,
I'm okay if you bless my brother with the car,
but the fast car that you promised, You promised me
that car. When you say all the promises God has
given to the nation of Israel, I now all of
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them are applied to the Church, and God no longer
has any dealings with the nation of Israel. Not only
you're creating oxygen for anti Semitism to thrive, you're actually
misrepresenting the character of God. What guarantee do you have
he'll keep his promise to you.
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You don't have a guarantee.
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The Bible says the callings of God and the gifts
of God are irrevocable.
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You know what that means.
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And this is not talking about just person who received
the gift from God and God doesn't take it back.
The context of that is talking about the nation of Israel.
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Now.
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Loving Israel, supporting the nation of Israel, praying for Israel
does not mean you condone everything the Jewish government right
now is doing. Anymore that loving in this nation does
not mean I condone everything the White House does. More,
does it mean loving this nation means I condone what
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people did with slavery.
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In this nation.
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And so I want to let you know today that
as Christians here at Hungry jan we do not allow
the air of anti Semitism to breathe in our myths.
Does it mean we don't like Palestinians. Absolutely, we love.
We're Gentiles and people are welcome. People are even in
our midst from the Middle East, some who were former Muslims,
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and we have people here who are Jews, and everyone
is welcome. But our love for God is more important
and what he teaches than our personal preferences. Now, God
came to Pharaoh and said, in extrast chapter four, he says,
my first born Israel. Let him go so he can
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worship me. If you don't let him go, God said,
in his word, I'm gonna take your first born.
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Pharaoh, of course, resisted that.
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I want you to notice how God speaks of Israel.
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He doesn't speak of.
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Them as a napkin that he used to bring about Messiah.
And he says, let me discard you he talked about him.
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Ask his firstborn doesn't mean that.
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Every Jew is saved because there are a Jew. No,
the scripture is very clear, we say based on our
faith in the Messiah. But God has this special relationship with.
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The Jewish nation.
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He said that in Duronomy chapter twenty two, he divided
the nations between his sons, but he shows.
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Jacob as his allotted inheritance.
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In Jeremiah, God talked about as the sun and the
moon are everywhere and they're not moved, so is my
covenant with Israel. And he says, if the sun will stop,
if the moon will stop, only then I will stop
choosing Israel. So The fact that you see the sun
and the moon today indicates God's covenant is almost a
cosmic covenant with the nation of Israel.
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We can't discard that, we can't put that.
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Under under the things the world just don't like. You know,
Israel and everything. You can like whatever you like and
don't like. But you have to not bring your and
mine American terminology worldview.
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To the Bible today.
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The right left, the radical right in America is America.
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First. You read the Bible, you see you.
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First, not America. First, you see Jesus going in the
gentile woman. He says, can you come and deliver my daughter?
He says, ah, I'm sent to the lost sons of Israel.
And then Jesus extends his ministry to all the nations,
go into all the world and make disciples of all.
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Yet Paul after the Cross.
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Says Romans chapter one, the good News of the.
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Messiah is to the jew first.
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So the Gospel still has this focus is real centric. Yes,
Christ century century, and I want to bring that back
to us today. And then so let's start from the beginning.
How did the replacement theology begin? But replacement theology begun
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three factors that included this one, Gentiles entered the church
and Jewish influence declined. Secondly, many Christians viewed Rome's destruction
destruction of Jerusalem as a divine judgment and confirming that
God rejected Israel. So early Church, you know, was made
out of Jewish believers. And then after a while the
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persecution rose against his believers. They started to take the
message of the Messiah across out and Jesus predict that
he said Samaria, Judea and and to the nations the
message his message will go. People were Baptists in the
Holy Spirit, and they took that message everywhere. Then what
happened is Israel when Jerusalem fell, and then there was
a second revolt that happened in one.
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Thirty thirty five. The Early Church, who.
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Now is composed mostly of Gentile followers of Christ, not
of Jewish followers of Christ, perceived the destruction of Jerusalem
as God's punishment, which was true. Jesus predicted Jerusalem will fall.
The scripture predicted in the Old Covenant that God will
scatter his people at one time as a form of
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punishment and discipline, and then he'll bring them back. And
so the Early Church father started to read into this
that means God is done with Israel because Jerusalem fell.
And then there was a third factor that influenced the
thinking of early Christians concerning Israel, and that is this
a Greek thought that viewed things through allegory. So early
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Church fathers started to be influenced by the Greek philosophy.
Theologians like Origin allegorized the scripture transferring, transferring Israel's promises
to the Church, and then.
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The early Church, after the passing.
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Of the Jewish follower of Jesus, started to embrace what
we would call today a different form of replacement theology.
For example, just Martyr in second century taught that the
Church was the true heir of God's covenant Origin and Traturnian.
He saw Israel's rejection as God's judgment and.
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The Church's rise as its fulfillment.
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Augustine claimed that the only God kept Jewish people only
to prove that Christianity is true. Reformers like Luther, who
brought the faith only scripture only in the beginning, he
spoke very highly of the Jewish nation, seeing how they
were being belie and toward the end of his life
preached a sermon called of Jews and their lives, which
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if you read that sermon, it's so graphic, full of
profanity cursing Jewish people.
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Then in modern era what started to happen. Two things happened.
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Israel came back as a nation, back to the nation.
And second thing is Holocaust happened. That caused followers of
Jesus to go back to the scriptures and review where
the things go south the rise of dispensationism, and these
two events Holocaust and Jewish people coming back to the
nation to the land of Israel, caused people to review
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and to revisit that doctrine. And mostly people are abandoning
that today and not believing in that view that God
is done with Israel. All the promises he made to Israel,
he didn't mean them. Now they're all fulfilled in the Church,
and Israel is done. And so today what we're going
to look at is we're going to look at what
is the replacement theology. In short, replacement theology is this
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God's covenant with Israel ended at Christ coming Now.
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People who are uphold replacement.
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Theology like to call it fulfillment theology because it sounds
more positive, meaning Christ fulfilled all the promises given to
the nation of Israel, and now the nation of Israel
has absolutely no more promises. The second facet of the
replacement fulfillment theology is the Church is now the new Israel,
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inheriting all of Israel's covenants and promises, meaning we the
adopted son now not only got the fast car.
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We got all the cars.
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And the guy that's out there in college who was
given these promises, oh he is no buno, He's gone.
That's really what the replacement theology. There are three branches
or three versions of this replacement theology. Number one is
punitive replacement theology, which views that God punished Israel for
rejecting Christ, meaning when Israel rejected Christ, God says I'm
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done with you. That's the first version. The second version,
which is the most common one, that is economic supersessionism,
meaning we superseded Israel. Israel's role naturally expired, So it
wasn't because they killed Christ, because technically it was our
sin that killed Christ.
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But at Israel's role.
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Came to an end, meaning economic it's done with Israel
fulfilled the role that they had. Now everything rests on
the Church. And the third version of replacement theology is
structural supersessionism, and that is Israel serves only as a type,
but it's fulfillment is really the Church. So Israel, you
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see my shadow right here. So Israel's only been a shadow.
The real deal has been always the Church, and now
the Church is here. The shadow does not matter. We
don't embrace any of that. Let me share with you
five reasons for the replacement theology. Five pillars of this theology.
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Number one national Israel has been permanently rejected by God.
Let me give you the verse Matthew twenty one, verse
forty three says, therefore I say to you, the Kingdom
of God will be taken from you and given to
a nation bearing the fruit of it. So this is
the verse that is used to say, Look, even Jesus
said he looked at the Jewish people and said, I'm
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taking the kingdom from you. I'm going to give it
to a different nation. And in Peter it says we
are the chosen generation.
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We are a holy nation. So guess who is that
new nation? We are? Jesus said it.
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But you have to be very careful not to read
the Bible through your own lens. Let the scripture intrepret
the scripture. When Jesus said you in Matthew twenty one,
was he targeting the whole Israel?
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No? Why?
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Because did the whole Israel rejected Christ? His fall powers
were Jewish. Paul was Jewish. We have Jewish believers even
in our midst He was talking specifically, I believe to
the leaders, not even all the leaders rejected Christ. Some
paid for his funeral, some paid for his burial, some
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still followed. Many priests believe the Bible says so to
blame or to simplicy Jesus simple men, all the Jewish people.
Jesus was simple a saying, I'm taking the kingdom from
the Jewish leaders, and I'm giving it to the followers
of mine who at the time they were Jewish followers.
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Even if the word nation, I'm gonna give it to
a new nation that will bear fruit. Let's just say,
even if this nation meant he's giving it to Church,
you must understand it does not cancel God's promise to
Jewish people. Jesus leaves the door open by saying when
he pronounced the judgment on Jerusalem, yet he promised the
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future welcome when he said Jerusalem Jerusalem, How did I
long to gather you? And then he says you will
not see me until he didn't say you will never
see me. He says, you will not see me until
you say, Blessed is he who comes in the name
of the Lord, I, meaning Jesus, says, Jerusalem will reject me,
Jerusalem will fall. But the day is coming until they
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will weep him, when they will look at him whom
they wounded, and he the king will come back. After
forty days of speaking about the Kingdom of God to
his followers after his resurrection, his.
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Followers, Jewish followers.
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Of Jesus, they said, is this now you're going to restore?
You came back as a risen king. Are you going
to restore the nation of Israel? Are you going to
bring those messianic promises we've been fed with? And Jesus
didn't say what messianic promises are? Are you guys kidding me? No,
God didn't mean that the nation of Isil. We're done. Now,
you guys are that nation and forget about those promises.
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Jesus didn't cancel.
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Or corrected their theology as he would when they're theology
was wrong. Do you remember how many times Jesus came
to his followers and when their theology was off, he
would correct it. This time, he didn't correct their expectation.
He challenged their timing. His simple says, don't worry about
the timing. The Father has it in his calendar. You
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take the message to the nations. This would have been
a perfect opportunity to say, the Father never meant to
bring the nation of Israel its salvation and restoration.
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He just meant to use us. Guys.
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Come on, forget about that. That's not what it means. No,
he challenged the timing, not.
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The expectation itself.
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Paul speaks in present tense Roman chapter nine, verse four.
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He says to them, belong, belong is present.
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Paul after Jesus's resurrection, does not say to Jewish people,
to the nation of Israel belonged past tense. Oh yeah,
until the Messiah came, until the Church was Now all
the promises are done, Paul is saying to them, belong
present tense until now, still belong covenants and promises. So
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the Bible is clear. God is not done with the
nation of Israel.
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Now.
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I know some of you may be listening and you're
like man. But I I'm the oldest of fife. My
parents didn't kick me out when my sister was born.
Some of us think the God's you know, the nation
of Israel, and now the Church came in. God is out.
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Now I have this second born. Listen, there's a duality
of that. God still loves, still has promises to the
nation of Israel.
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Jesus is a Jewish.
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King who's still coming back, not to Washington, DC, not
to New York. His feet will lend an amount of olives.
And so and we, as gentile believes, were drafted in.
And we have to understand the scriptures and the heart
of our father. We keep singing the songs the line
of Judah. We keep singing the God of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob.
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Like these are real people from a Jewish nation.
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Second pillar of replacement theology is Old Testament applied to
the Church.
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Language.
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Old Testament language applied to the Church proves the Church
is the new Israel Galatians chapter six, verse sixteen. And
as many as walk according to this rule, peace and
mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God.
So this scripture sometimes is used to say that look,
even Paul in Galatians six viewed the church as Israel
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of God. Now it's actually misreading of that verse because
most naturally Bible scholars believe that Paul was referring to
Jewish believers. He was not relabeling a gentile church as
the new Israel. You must understand in the first century
Christians were composed mainly of Jewish believe the way.
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Churches were started.
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If you read Book of Acts, Paul would go and
find a Jewish synagogue and would debate with Jewish people,
and then the Gentiles would join. Romans Chapter nine, verse
six talks about not all from Israel or Israel. I
cannot tell you how many times I've heard that being used.
But Paul is speaking of Israel within Israel, believing Jews.
He's not speaking that the gentiles are becoming Israel.
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Think of this.
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Let's just say I'm going to a men's conference and
then men are there, and I said, you are.
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Not a man if you don't love your wife.
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Now that I just said that, those men stop being men. No,
I mean within men, there are real men who.
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Love their wives.
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If I go out and say you are not a
man if you don't provide for your wife. Now I'm
still speaking to men, and there's still men. So when
Paul is speaking too at Jewish believers and he's saying those.
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Are true Israelites who believe.
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In the Messiah, who believe, he's not saying that those
who don't believe, they stop being Jewish or they stop
being Israelies. And you will never see predominantly Apostles, Jesus
or Paul using the word Israel to label the church.
We are not Israel, we are one man, as the
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Bible says, We're not new Israel. For speedter Io uses
Israel's titles for the church's vocation. But the Scripture can
honor non Israel with israel like titles without making them Israel.
In Isaiah nineteen, God called Egypt my people. He never
renamed Egypt for Israel. In the end times, you see
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that God will speak to different countries and nations who
will follow him. He called and his servants his people.
You never see God going in and say, well, now
you're Israel, your Israel is You can be God's people
without being renamed Israel.
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Are you with me?
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There's Israel's blessings and calling, But the scripture never renames
the Church as Israel number three. A Jew Gentile unity
rules out any future role for national Israel. Ephesian Chapter two,
verse fourteen says this, for he himself is our peace,
who has made both one and has broken down the
middle wall of separation, having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
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that is the law of the commandments contained in ordinances,
so he can create in himself a new man from
the two, thus making peace. Gentiles are brought near to
the commonwealth of Israel. Ifasian chapter two, nearness means we
share the benefits, it does not mean we merge with
our identities.
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Paul's word choice is very deliberate. One new man. He
never calls the Church new Israel.
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Salvation equality does not collapse distinct identities. The Bible says
there's no more male or female. Does that mean I'm
not a male anymore in Christ? No, the Scripture says
that there is. You know, in Christ, there's no Jew
and there's no gentile. Well, we still different ethnicities. I
didnt became Israel and Jews didn't become gentiles, so our
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distinctness still remains. It simply means that we share now
in the Messiah the benefits that is given to us.
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Number four. Because the Church participates.
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In the New Covenant, Israel no longer holds the old
covenants Jeremiah thirty one thirty one I alluded to that.
Behold the days that coming, says the Lord. When I
will make a new covenant with the House of Israel
and with the House of Judah.
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Then look at the verse thirty three.
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But this is the covenant that I will make with
the House of Israel. After these days, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write
it in their hearts, and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
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Have you noticed that the new Covenant.
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That we all believe it was actually about us? In
here it says that the initial recipients of this covenant
is the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
So this idea, well, God had a covenant with Israel
at the Mount of Sinai, and then came these gentile
followers of the Messiah. They believed in him, and now
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he makes the new covenant with them. So the old
covenant is done because the new covenant.
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Is with us.
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Don't rush so fast, because God, when he had the
old covenant. He makes a new covenant, says there is
a new covenant coming. He didn't say with the Russians,
Ukrainians and Americans. He didn't say with his Spanish, Guamalan Salvadorians.
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He says, I.
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Will make a new covenant.
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With the House of Judah and the House of Israel.
So we come alongside, and God drafts us into that covenant.
And we think, because we got drafted in, now the
initial recipients of that covenant are removed from the contract.
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That's not true. God would be a liar.
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The new covenant is made with the House of Israel
and Judah. Church participates, but the covenants named parties remain
and still Judah and Israel. Romans Chapter eleven, Paul talks
about verse twenty five, for I do not desire, brethren,
that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you
should be wise in your own opinion that the blindness
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in the part has happened to Israel until the fullness
of the gentile has come in. And then Paul saying
in the next verse, so all Israel will be saved
as it is written, the Deliverer will come out of Zion,
and he will turn away on Godliness. From Jacob verse
twenty seven, this is my covenant. It's interesting it doesn't
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say this is my covenant with the Gentiles.
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It says with them.
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God has a new covenant with the House of Israel
and the House of Judah. And so Paul is quoting that.
He says, listen, God is speaking. This new covenant didn't
catch God by surprise.
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He planned for it to be.
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With them, the House of Judah and the House of Israel,
when I take away their sins verse twenty eight. Concerning
the Gospel, they are enemies for your sake, but concerning
the election, they are beloved for the sake of the elders.
The Church shares new covenant grace with Israel. It does
not cease Israel's covenants from them. Number five New Testament
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silence proves Israel will not be restored as a nation.
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I do want to make a correction.
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Early Church fathers did believe that the Church replaced Israel,
but they still believed that Israel one day will be saved.
What they didn't believe is that Israel will be restored. Well,
the nation of Israel did come back. They were wrong
on that. So now people who believe that Israel has
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no place in God's future have a problem.
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What do you do with this new Jersey sized piece.
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Of real estate in the Middle East that everyone seems
to want to annihil If they don't matter anymore, why.
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Is everybody against them so much? Really?
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I think the devil knows something that some Christians for God.
I think the enemy knows the one who will end
all of the evil and suffering is coming back, and
he wants to do everything he can to stop them.
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New Testament explicitly refers to Israel's future restoration. As I've
alluded in Acts Chapter one, will renewed rule over the
twelve tribes. You know that Jesus told his twelve disciples.
He says, you will be over the twelve tribes of Israel. Wait,
but there's gonna be no more tribes. There's gonna be
twelve denominations of Israel. Of the Church, Peter, you will
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be with Presbyterians, Paul, John, you will be over the
Assembly as a God. Jesus still talks about there will
be twelve tribes. If there will be no future Israel,
why did he tell his disciples they will be over
the twelve tribes, if there will be no more tribes.
This is talking about future, and this is talking about Christ.
Jesus also talked about the future welcomed the Messiah Matthew
twenty three, verse thirty nine. He talked about Jerusalem's times,
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that they will be trampled by the Gentiles until the
time is going to come to an end. Jesus referred
to that in Paul and Second Thessalonians and Revelations Chapter
one talks about that there will be a temple and
will be desecrated by the Antichrist.
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There will be tribal lists.
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In the Revelation seven still counts gentiles, masses of Gentiles
coming to believe in the Messiah, and then it.
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Still labels twelve tribes of Israel and numbers them in
the end times.
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Old Testament restoration promises remain in force unless New Testament
cancels them, and it does not. New Testament writers were
cheeped into the Old Testament and were living within Israel,
so they didn't need to reinstate every Old Testament prophecy
to the Gentile church. Jesus and the Apostles never redefine
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Israel to mean the Church the Church shares in Israel's
blessings but never becomes Israel. There still remains the nation
of Israel, and God still has a plan for them. Now,
I have twenty six questions that will challenge the replacement theology.
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I don't have the time to go through them right now,
but they will be if you're interested. You can go
through them in your notes on a version Bible app
I'm going to finish.
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It with this.
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The Church must see itself as a participant in God's
larger plan, not as a replacement of God's first covenant partner, Israel.
We are drafted into Israel's story. We do not erase it.
We are not new Israel. We are co witnesses to
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God's faithfulness. The true fulfillment is still pending. At the
end of history. In the Messianic consummation, God will unite
the purpose of Israel and the Church in one redeemed family.
Until then, these callings coexist intention and mutual responsibility. We
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honor Israel's election, we pray for Israel's salvation, and we
serve the nations to come to know the Messiah. Our
reading of the scriptures should be shaped by Jewish continuity,
That means affirming Hebrew's Bible's own witness and letting it
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speak on its own terms instead of flattening it to typology,
meaning everything is an allegory, everything is typology. We hold
these bold truths in our hands. Jesus is the promised Messiah,
and God is faithful to Israel. We also name our
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sin Christian replacement theology gave air an oxygen to antisemitism cultivating.
Though it's not responsible, but it did help with the Holocaust.
Calling Jewish people rejected and obsolete gives us a reason
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for contempt.
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And persecution.
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Many churches have replaced racism with antisemitism, and some have
not faced the anti Jewish legacy. By the grace of God,
we will not hold them. We will bless the Jewish
people while proclaiming the Messiah to all the nations of
the world. And God says those who bless Abraham will
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be blessed, and I believe God's blessing will rest upon us.
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Amen.
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We hope you enjoyed this week's message.
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I'm going to talk about a message called God's first Button. Now,
the grandson of Derek Prince presented something that was really
powerful and he said this. My grandfather used to say
that Israel is extremely important to God. It is like
God's first button. While buttoning up your shirt, if you
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get the first button in the wrong hole, then all
of the other buttons will end up in the wrong holes.
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Have you ever done that?
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If you get the first button wrong, the rest of
the button is go wrong.
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And what we're gonna be talking.
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About today is Israel. What is Hungry Jen? Not on
the hungry Jen? What does the Bible teach about that?
What is happening in our culture right now is there
is the radical left which is hugely woke and now
is becoming the right, which is becoming antismatic America First Movement, which,
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by the way, I love this country. This country is
so amazing that those who hate it.
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Don't want to leave.
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I came to the United States about twenty five years ago.
And I can tell you I absolutely love this country.
But my love for this country and having the politically
being aligned to America first does not mean America only
and all other nations are not important to God. With
that said, what is beginning to happen there are voices
that are rising up on both the left and the
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right that begins to create oxygen for anti Semitism, and
we want to address that today from the biblical stance.
What does the Bible teach about our relationship toward the
nation of Israel. The further the end times are coming,
the more we're going to see this tension that is
going to be happening in our politics and also in spirituality.
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What is beginning to happen today is that are conservative
voices that have large influence online who have been pushing
before have said a lot of great things that were right,
But now what's been happening is they're denying Holocaust. They
are pushing antisemitic agenda, and many Christians are falling prey
to that just because before some of these voices have set.
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Something that were right.
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But my friend, even a broken clock is twice right
a day my friend, I want to remind you that
demons will write about the divinity of Jesus. In March
chapter one, there were still demons. Someone can be right
about something in one season and even be rites about
something right now and not have the right posture of heart.
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So as Christians, we're not being discipled by TikTok, nor
are we being discipled by influencers. We have to go
back to the scriptures. Amen, I want to present something
that is dear to me. I joined the church since
this church started by my uncle. At the age of thirteen,
I started to get involved in preaching. At the age
of sixteen, I became the youth leader and I was
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in until thirty was the youth youth pastor of this church.
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At the age of.
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Thirty, my pastor promoted me or elevated me to the.
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Position of being the lead pastor.
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During COVID twenty twenty, something happened and I launched my
own ministry, my own YouTube, books, all of the other stuff.
And what started to happen is duality. In one sense,
I am in this church and I'm part of this church.
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This is what I belong this is my church.
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In the other sense, I have another ministry on the
side that is actually growing very fast.
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For example, the YouTube that it took our church to.
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Grow into half a million in seventeen years, half a
million subscribers. In my ministry, it took twelve months for
a million subscribers to come in, very rapid growth.
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It started to touch people.
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I mean a lot of you are here and you
watch the videos way before.
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You came in.
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We were yesterday in some kind of eating place and
the lady owner comes in.
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She's like, hey, I didn't know you were famous, I said.
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She says, I just discovered your videos and I watched
twenty of them.
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They were amazing.
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And this is happening out of the community all the time.
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So I have these two things.
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One is the local church that I'm a part of,
and the other one is this ministry that is reaching.
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Really the world called the Assam.
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Now, in the beginning, I was tempted to actually leave.
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The local church pastoral role.
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And just focus on the ministry and saying, you know what,
this is growing really fast and I need to walk
away from the church responsibility. But through the wisdom of
others and praying into it, I felt like, no, the
Lord didn't call me to leave the local church and
just focus on this ministry, Nor did he call me
to leave the ministry and only focus on.
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The local church.
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There is a duality that is happening, and one blesses
the other.
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In the last three years, I was.
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Able to be a volunteer at Hungry Jen not receive
salary because this ministry is taking care.
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Of those needs.
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So I'm able to be a blessing to Hungry Jen today.
And people who are knowing me and knowing my ministry.
One particular person who's donating over a million dollars toward
their building is donating it through my ministry because he says,
I know I.
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Don't know Hungry Jen.
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So today God is using this ministry to help Hungry Jen.
Now imagine this. If I was simply say that just
because my ministry is taken off, I need to walk
away from the church today, how would you feel about that?
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Sad?
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And so many Christians view the nation of Israel in
the same way. The nation of Israel is like hungry Jen.
To God, he in the beginning made a covenant with
this guy named Abraham, and then with his descendants.
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We still sing songs lying of Judah.
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You know Judah, that's not a Presbyterian denomination, that's a
tribe in Israel. And so God not only chose this nation,
God also revealed his promises to this name.
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And God told this nation that one day.
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There's gonna come a Messiah to this nation. And the
Messiah is not gonna be only for this nation, but
the nations of the world are gonna be blessed because
of this Messiah. And so Messiah Jesus Christ, who came
in and the Christmas is coming around the corner. When
Gabriel came to Mary, Gabriel told Mary, he said, hey.
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You're gonna have a son.
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And it's interesting that Gabriel told him that he will
be the king sitting on.
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His father's throne. And the father was David.
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And he said not only that, but he will rule
over Judah, over Israel forever, now forever. It was not
an exaggeration. Forever means Jesus is the king of the Jews,
and that is gonna happen for eternity. That that's gonna
happen forever. Angel was not bluffing when he was saying
that what about us, But we got inserted. We got
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drafted Paulses in Romans chapter eleven, meaning we got added
to that we are participants with what God was doing
in this beautiful story with the nation of Israel. Now
some people have gotten to the place today where they're saying, well,
just because the Church, mainly made out of Gentiles, is
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spreading the message of the Messiah, the message of the
good news of his Kingdom to the nations of the world,
and because it has such a powerful reach, today God
has abandoned. He walked away, and he said, yeah, I'm
done with these people. Why they help me to bring Jesus,
But now I have nothing to do with them. Because
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the Church is the one that is reaching the nations,
and my covenant.
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Is now with the Church.
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It would be equivalent to me saying, well, my ministry
is reaching the world. Byebye, hungry Jian. God doesn't do that.
If I not doing that and I'm not perfect human being,
God doesn't do that. I to show today to the
scripture of many examples where God not only is not
done with Israel, but God still has a plan for
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the nation of Israel. Why is that important to us?
If your idea that just because we as Christians followers
of Jesus now have this special relationship with God. And
God abandoned the nation of Israel. You're not only misrepresenting
the nation of Israel, you're actually misdrepresenting God.
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And you give an example.
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Let's say that you have an oldest son and your
oldest son went to college. You gave him a promise
before he went to college. When you complete college, I'm
gonna buy you a fast sports car of your dreams.
So the oldest son is finishing his undergrad and he's
going to a grad school, is about to finish, and
the father comes and says, hey, I need to meet
with you. And he's coming with your adopted half brother.
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And the father come to you and says this, hey, son,
I want.
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To tell you. You know your brother.
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You have brother. I blessed him with the car. Now,
most of you will say, well, that's great. I'm so
glad that my brother has a car. Nothing wrong with that, right,
And that's exactly what happened the nation of Israel.
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God gave them.
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Promises, and then God drafted the nations who are following
of the followers of the Messiah and made us share
with the riches and the blessings that was given to
the Messiah, who was a Jew. Nothing wrong with that,
that's good. The generosity of God includes the nations. Now,
imagine the father came to his son who is finishing
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his grad school and says, son, remember the promise I made,
I'll buy you a fast supercar when you graduate.
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Yeah, yeah, I remember that. Dad. Well, you know, my true.
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Son is actually your brother now, and I bought him
that car. How many of you would look for your
dad and say, oh, yeah understand, Yeah, I'm not your
true son anymore. Yeah, I know you said that, you
didn't mean it, You didn't tell me you didn't mean it,
and now you gave that to him.
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Yeah, totally cool. High five dad.
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No, you will say, Dad, you lie to me. You said,
I'm okay if you bless my brother with the car,
but the fast car that you promised, You promised me
that car. When you say all the promises God has
given to the nation of Israel, I now all of
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them are applied to the Church, and God no longer
has any dealings with the nation of Israel. Not only
you're creating oxygen for anti Semitism to thrive, you're actually
misrepresenting the character of God. What guarantee do you have
he'll keep his promise to you.
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You don't have a guarantee.
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The Bible says the callings of God and the gifts
of God are irrevocable.
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You know what that means.
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And this is not talking about just person who received
the gift from God and God doesn't take it back.
The context of that is talking about the nation of Israel.
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Now.
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Loving Israel, supporting the nation of Israel, praying for Israel
does not mean you condone everything the Jewish government right
now is doing. Anymore that loving in this nation does
not mean I condone everything the White House does. More,
does it mean loving this nation means I condone what
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people did with slavery.
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In this nation.
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And so I want to let you know today that
as Christians here at Hungry jan we do not allow
the air of anti Semitism to breathe in our myths.
Does it mean we don't like Palestinians. Absolutely, we love.
We're Gentiles and people are welcome. People are even in
our midst from the Middle East, some who were former Muslims,
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and we have people here who are Jews, and everyone
is welcome. But our love for God is more important
and what he teaches than our personal preferences. Now, God
came to Pharaoh and said, in extrast chapter four, he says,
my first born Israel. Let him go so he can
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worship me. If you don't let him go, God said,
in his word, I'm gonna take your first born.
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Pharaoh, of course, resisted that.
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I want you to notice how God speaks of Israel.
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He doesn't speak of.
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Them as a napkin that he used to bring about Messiah.
And he says, let me discard you he talked about him.
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Ask his firstborn doesn't mean that.
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Every Jew is saved because there are a Jew. No,
the scripture is very clear, we say based on our
faith in the Messiah. But God has this special relationship with.
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The Jewish nation.
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He said that in Duronomy chapter twenty two, he divided
the nations between his sons, but he shows.
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Jacob as his allotted inheritance.
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In Jeremiah, God talked about as the sun and the
moon are everywhere and they're not moved, so is my
covenant with Israel. And he says, if the sun will stop,
if the moon will stop, only then I will stop
choosing Israel. So The fact that you see the sun
and the moon today indicates God's covenant is almost a
cosmic covenant with the nation of Israel.
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We can't discard that, we can't put that.
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Under under the things the world just don't like. You know,
Israel and everything. You can like whatever you like and
don't like. But you have to not bring your and
mine American terminology worldview.
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To the Bible today.
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The right left, the radical right in America is America.
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First. You read the Bible, you see you.
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First, not America. First, you see Jesus going in the
gentile woman. He says, can you come and deliver my daughter?
He says, ah, I'm sent to the lost sons of Israel.
And then Jesus extends his ministry to all the nations,
go into all the world and make disciples of all.
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Yet Paul after the Cross.
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Says Romans chapter one, the good News of the.
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Messiah is to the jew first.
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So the Gospel still has this focus is real centric. Yes,
Christ century century, and I want to bring that back
to us today. And then so let's start from the beginning.
How did the replacement theology begin? But replacement theology begun
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three factors that included this one, Gentiles entered the church
and Jewish influence declined. Secondly, many Christians viewed Rome's destruction
destruction of Jerusalem as a divine judgment and confirming that
God rejected Israel. So early Church, you know, was made
out of Jewish believers. And then after a while the
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persecution rose against his believers. They started to take the
message of the Messiah across out and Jesus predict that
he said Samaria, Judea and and to the nations the
message his message will go. People were Baptists in the
Holy Spirit, and they took that message everywhere. Then what
happened is Israel when Jerusalem fell, and then there was
a second revolt that happened in one.
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Thirty thirty five. The Early Church, who.
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Now is composed mostly of Gentile followers of Christ, not
of Jewish followers of Christ, perceived the destruction of Jerusalem
as God's punishment, which was true. Jesus predicted Jerusalem will fall.
The scripture predicted in the Old Covenant that God will
scatter his people at one time as a form of
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punishment and discipline, and then he'll bring them back. And
so the Early Church father started to read into this
that means God is done with Israel because Jerusalem fell.
And then there was a third factor that influenced the
thinking of early Christians concerning Israel, and that is this
a Greek thought that viewed things through allegory. So early
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Church fathers started to be influenced by the Greek philosophy.
Theologians like Origin allegorized the scripture transferring, transferring Israel's promises
to the Church, and then.
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The early Church, after the passing.
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Of the Jewish follower of Jesus, started to embrace what
we would call today a different form of replacement theology.
For example, just Martyr in second century taught that the
Church was the true heir of God's covenant Origin and Traturnian.
He saw Israel's rejection as God's judgment and.
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The Church's rise as its fulfillment.
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Augustine claimed that the only God kept Jewish people only
to prove that Christianity is true. Reformers like Luther, who
brought the faith only scripture only in the beginning, he
spoke very highly of the Jewish nation, seeing how they
were being belie and toward the end of his life
preached a sermon called of Jews and their lives, which
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if you read that sermon, it's so graphic, full of
profanity cursing Jewish people.
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Then in modern era what started to happen. Two things happened.
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Israel came back as a nation, back to the nation.
And second thing is Holocaust happened. That caused followers of
Jesus to go back to the scriptures and review where
the things go south the rise of dispensationism, and these
two events Holocaust and Jewish people coming back to the
nation to the land of Israel, caused people to review
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and to revisit that doctrine. And mostly people are abandoning
that today and not believing in that view that God
is done with Israel. All the promises he made to Israel,
he didn't mean them. Now they're all fulfilled in the Church,
and Israel is done. And so today what we're going
to look at is we're going to look at what
is the replacement theology. In short, replacement theology is this
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God's covenant with Israel ended at Christ coming Now.
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People who are uphold replacement.
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Theology like to call it fulfillment theology because it sounds
more positive, meaning Christ fulfilled all the promises given to
the nation of Israel, and now the nation of Israel
has absolutely no more promises. The second facet of the
replacement fulfillment theology is the Church is now the new Israel,
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inheriting all of Israel's covenants and promises, meaning we the
adopted son now not only got the fast car.
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We got all the cars.
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And the guy that's out there in college who was
given these promises, oh he is no buno, He's gone.
That's really what the replacement theology. There are three branches
or three versions of this replacement theology. Number one is
punitive replacement theology, which views that God punished Israel for
rejecting Christ, meaning when Israel rejected Christ, God says I'm
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done with you. That's the first version. The second version,
which is the most common one, that is economic supersessionism,
meaning we superseded Israel. Israel's role naturally expired, So it
wasn't because they killed Christ, because technically it was our
sin that killed Christ.
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But at Israel's role.
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Came to an end, meaning economic it's done with Israel
fulfilled the role that they had. Now everything rests on
the Church. And the third version of replacement theology is
structural supersessionism, and that is Israel serves only as a type,
but it's fulfillment is really the Church. So Israel, you
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see my shadow right here. So Israel's only been a shadow.
The real deal has been always the Church, and now
the Church is here. The shadow does not matter. We
don't embrace any of that. Let me share with you
five reasons for the replacement theology. Five pillars of this theology.
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Number one national Israel has been permanently rejected by God.
Let me give you the verse Matthew twenty one, verse
forty three says, therefore I say to you, the Kingdom
of God will be taken from you and given to
a nation bearing the fruit of it. So this is
the verse that is used to say, Look, even Jesus
said he looked at the Jewish people and said, I'm
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taking the kingdom from you. I'm going to give it
to a different nation. And in Peter it says we
are the chosen generation.
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We are a holy nation. So guess who is that
new nation? We are? Jesus said it.
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But you have to be very careful not to read
the Bible through your own lens. Let the scripture intrepret
the scripture. When Jesus said you in Matthew twenty one,
was he targeting the whole Israel?
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No? Why?
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Because did the whole Israel rejected Christ? His fall powers
were Jewish. Paul was Jewish. We have Jewish believers even
in our midst He was talking specifically, I believe to
the leaders, not even all the leaders rejected Christ. Some
paid for his funeral, some paid for his burial, some
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still followed. Many priests believe the Bible says so to
blame or to simplicy Jesus simple men, all the Jewish people.
Jesus was simple a saying, I'm taking the kingdom from
the Jewish leaders, and I'm giving it to the followers
of mine who at the time they were Jewish followers.
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Even if the word nation, I'm gonna give it to
a new nation that will bear fruit. Let's just say,
even if this nation meant he's giving it to Church,
you must understand it does not cancel God's promise to
Jewish people. Jesus leaves the door open by saying when
he pronounced the judgment on Jerusalem, yet he promised the
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future welcome when he said Jerusalem Jerusalem, How did I
long to gather you? And then he says you will
not see me until he didn't say you will never
see me. He says, you will not see me until
you say, Blessed is he who comes in the name
of the Lord, I, meaning Jesus, says, Jerusalem will reject me,
Jerusalem will fall. But the day is coming until they
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will weep him, when they will look at him whom
they wounded, and he the king will come back. After
forty days of speaking about the Kingdom of God to
his followers after his resurrection, his.
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Followers, Jewish followers.
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Of Jesus, they said, is this now you're going to restore?
You came back as a risen king. Are you going
to restore the nation of Israel? Are you going to
bring those messianic promises we've been fed with? And Jesus
didn't say what messianic promises are? Are you guys kidding me? No,
God didn't mean that the nation of Isil. We're done. Now,
you guys are that nation and forget about those promises.
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Jesus didn't cancel.
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Or corrected their theology as he would when they're theology
was wrong. Do you remember how many times Jesus came
to his followers and when their theology was off, he
would correct it. This time, he didn't correct their expectation.
He challenged their timing. His simple says, don't worry about
the timing. The Father has it in his calendar. You
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take the message to the nations. This would have been
a perfect opportunity to say, the Father never meant to
bring the nation of Israel its salvation and restoration.
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He just meant to use us. Guys.
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Come on, forget about that. That's not what it means. No,
he challenged the timing, not.
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The expectation itself.
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Paul speaks in present tense Roman chapter nine, verse four.
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He says to them, belong, belong is present.
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Paul after Jesus's resurrection, does not say to Jewish people,
to the nation of Israel belonged past tense. Oh yeah,
until the Messiah came, until the Church was Now all
the promises are done, Paul is saying to them, belong
present tense until now, still belong covenants and promises. So
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the Bible is clear. God is not done with the
nation of Israel.
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Now.
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I know some of you may be listening and you're
like man. But I I'm the oldest of fife. My
parents didn't kick me out when my sister was born.
Some of us think the God's you know, the nation
of Israel, and now the Church came in. God is out.
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Now I have this second born. Listen, there's a duality
of that. God still loves, still has promises to the
nation of Israel.
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Jesus is a Jewish.
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King who's still coming back, not to Washington, DC, not
to New York. His feet will lend an amount of olives.
And so and we, as gentile believes, were drafted in.
And we have to understand the scriptures and the heart
of our father. We keep singing the songs the line
of Judah. We keep singing the God of Abraham, Isaac
and Jacob.
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Like these are real people from a Jewish nation.
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Second pillar of replacement theology is Old Testament applied to
the Church.
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Language.
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Old Testament language applied to the Church proves the Church
is the new Israel Galatians chapter six, verse sixteen. And
as many as walk according to this rule, peace and
mercy be upon them and upon the Israel of God.
So this scripture sometimes is used to say that look,
even Paul in Galatians six viewed the church as Israel
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of God. Now it's actually misreading of that verse because
most naturally Bible scholars believe that Paul was referring to
Jewish believers. He was not relabeling a gentile church as
the new Israel. You must understand in the first century
Christians were composed mainly of Jewish believe the way.
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Churches were started.
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If you read Book of Acts, Paul would go and
find a Jewish synagogue and would debate with Jewish people,
and then the Gentiles would join. Romans Chapter nine, verse
six talks about not all from Israel or Israel. I
cannot tell you how many times I've heard that being used.
But Paul is speaking of Israel within Israel, believing Jews.
He's not speaking that the gentiles are becoming Israel.
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Think of this.
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Let's just say I'm going to a men's conference and
then men are there, and I said, you are.
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Not a man if you don't love your wife.
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Now that I just said that, those men stop being men. No,
I mean within men, there are real men who.
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Love their wives.
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If I go out and say you are not a
man if you don't provide for your wife. Now I'm
still speaking to men, and there's still men. So when
Paul is speaking too at Jewish believers and he's saying those.
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Are true Israelites who believe.
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In the Messiah, who believe, he's not saying that those
who don't believe, they stop being Jewish or they stop
being Israelies. And you will never see predominantly Apostles, Jesus
or Paul using the word Israel to label the church.
We are not Israel, we are one man, as the
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Bible says, We're not new Israel. For speedter Io uses
Israel's titles for the church's vocation. But the Scripture can
honor non Israel with israel like titles without making them Israel.
In Isaiah nineteen, God called Egypt my people. He never
renamed Egypt for Israel. In the end times, you see
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that God will speak to different countries and nations who
will follow him. He called and his servants his people.
You never see God going in and say, well, now
you're Israel, your Israel is You can be God's people
without being renamed Israel.
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Are you with me?
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There's Israel's blessings and calling, But the scripture never renames
the Church as Israel number three. A Jew Gentile unity
rules out any future role for national Israel. Ephesian Chapter two,
verse fourteen says this, for he himself is our peace,
who has made both one and has broken down the
middle wall of separation, having abolished in his flesh the enmity,
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that is the law of the commandments contained in ordinances,
so he can create in himself a new man from
the two, thus making peace. Gentiles are brought near to
the commonwealth of Israel. Ifasian chapter two, nearness means we
share the benefits, it does not mean we merge with
our identities.
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Paul's word choice is very deliberate. One new man. He
never calls the Church new Israel.
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Salvation equality does not collapse distinct identities. The Bible says
there's no more male or female. Does that mean I'm
not a male anymore in Christ? No, the Scripture says
that there is. You know, in Christ, there's no Jew
and there's no gentile. Well, we still different ethnicities. I
didnt became Israel and Jews didn't become gentiles, so our
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distinctness still remains. It simply means that we share now
in the Messiah the benefits that is given to us.
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Number four. Because the Church participates.
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In the New Covenant, Israel no longer holds the old
covenants Jeremiah thirty one thirty one I alluded to that.
Behold the days that coming, says the Lord. When I
will make a new covenant with the House of Israel
and with the House of Judah.
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Then look at the verse thirty three.
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But this is the covenant that I will make with
the House of Israel. After these days, says the Lord.
I will put my laws in their minds and write
it in their hearts, and I will be their God,
and they shall be my people.
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Have you noticed that the new Covenant.
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That we all believe it was actually about us? In
here it says that the initial recipients of this covenant
is the House of Israel and the House of Judah.
So this idea, well, God had a covenant with Israel
at the Mount of Sinai, and then came these gentile
followers of the Messiah. They believed in him, and now
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he makes the new covenant with them. So the old
covenant is done because the new covenant.
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Is with us.
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Don't rush so fast, because God, when he had the
old covenant. He makes a new covenant, says there is
a new covenant coming. He didn't say with the Russians,
Ukrainians and Americans. He didn't say with his Spanish, Guamalan Salvadorians.
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He says, I.
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Will make a new covenant.
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With the House of Judah and the House of Israel.
So we come alongside, and God drafts us into that covenant.
And we think, because we got drafted in, now the
initial recipients of that covenant are removed from the contract.
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That's not true. God would be a liar.
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The new covenant is made with the House of Israel
and Judah. Church participates, but the covenants named parties remain
and still Judah and Israel. Romans Chapter eleven, Paul talks
about verse twenty five, for I do not desire, brethren,
that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you
should be wise in your own opinion that the blindness
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in the part has happened to Israel until the fullness
of the gentile has come in. And then Paul saying
in the next verse, so all Israel will be saved
as it is written, the Deliverer will come out of Zion,
and he will turn away on Godliness. From Jacob verse
twenty seven, this is my covenant. It's interesting it doesn't
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say this is my covenant with the Gentiles.
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It says with them.
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God has a new covenant with the House of Israel
and the House of Judah. And so Paul is quoting that.
He says, listen, God is speaking. This new covenant didn't
catch God by surprise.
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He planned for it to be.
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With them, the House of Judah and the House of Israel,
when I take away their sins verse twenty eight. Concerning
the Gospel, they are enemies for your sake, but concerning
the election, they are beloved for the sake of the elders.
The Church shares new covenant grace with Israel. It does
not cease Israel's covenants from them. Number five New Testament
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silence proves Israel will not be restored as a nation.
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I do want to make a correction.
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Early Church fathers did believe that the Church replaced Israel,
but they still believed that Israel one day will be saved.
What they didn't believe is that Israel will be restored. Well,
the nation of Israel did come back. They were wrong
on that. So now people who believe that Israel has
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no place in God's future have a problem.
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What do you do with this new Jersey sized piece.
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Of real estate in the Middle East that everyone seems
to want to annihil If they don't matter anymore, why.
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Is everybody against them so much? Really?
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I think the devil knows something that some Christians for God.
I think the enemy knows the one who will end
all of the evil and suffering is coming back, and
he wants to do everything he can to stop them.
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New Testament explicitly refers to Israel's future restoration. As I've
alluded in Acts Chapter one, will renewed rule over the
twelve tribes. You know that Jesus told his twelve disciples.
He says, you will be over the twelve tribes of Israel. Wait,
but there's gonna be no more tribes. There's gonna be
twelve denominations of Israel. Of the Church, Peter, you will
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be with Presbyterians, Paul, John, you will be over the
Assembly as a God. Jesus still talks about there will
be twelve tribes. If there will be no future Israel,
why did he tell his disciples they will be over
the twelve tribes, if there will be no more tribes.
This is talking about future, and this is talking about Christ.
Jesus also talked about the future welcomed the Messiah Matthew
twenty three, verse thirty nine. He talked about Jerusalem's times,
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that they will be trampled by the Gentiles until the
time is going to come to an end. Jesus referred
to that in Paul and Second Thessalonians and Revelations Chapter
one talks about that there will be a temple and
will be desecrated by the Antichrist.
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There will be tribal lists.
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In the Revelation seven still counts gentiles, masses of Gentiles
coming to believe in the Messiah, and then it.
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Still labels twelve tribes of Israel and numbers them in
the end times.
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Old Testament restoration promises remain in force unless New Testament
cancels them, and it does not. New Testament writers were
cheeped into the Old Testament and were living within Israel,
so they didn't need to reinstate every Old Testament prophecy
to the Gentile church. Jesus and the Apostles never redefine
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Israel to mean the Church the Church shares in Israel's
blessings but never becomes Israel. There still remains the nation
of Israel, and God still has a plan for them. Now,
I have twenty six questions that will challenge the replacement theology.
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I don't have the time to go through them right now,
but they will be if you're interested. You can go
through them in your notes on a version Bible app
I'm going to finish.
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It with this.
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The Church must see itself as a participant in God's
larger plan, not as a replacement of God's first covenant partner, Israel.
We are drafted into Israel's story. We do not erase it.
We are not new Israel. We are co witnesses to
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God's faithfulness. The true fulfillment is still pending. At the
end of history. In the Messianic consummation, God will unite
the purpose of Israel and the Church in one redeemed family.
Until then, these callings coexist intention and mutual responsibility. We
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honor Israel's election, we pray for Israel's salvation, and we
serve the nations to come to know the Messiah. Our
reading of the scriptures should be shaped by Jewish continuity,
That means affirming Hebrew's Bible's own witness and letting it
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speak on its own terms instead of flattening it to typology,
meaning everything is an allegory, everything is typology. We hold
these bold truths in our hands. Jesus is the promised Messiah,
and God is faithful to Israel. We also name our
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sin Christian replacement theology gave air an oxygen to antisemitism cultivating.
Though it's not responsible, but it did help with the Holocaust.
Calling Jewish people rejected and obsolete gives us a reason
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for contempt.
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And persecution.
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Many churches have replaced racism with antisemitism, and some have
not faced the anti Jewish legacy. By the grace of God,
we will not hold them. We will bless the Jewish
people while proclaiming the Messiah to all the nations of
the world. And God says those who bless Abraham will
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be blessed, and I believe God's blessing will rest upon us.
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Amen.
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