November 21, 2025 • 52 mins
A clear and practical look at Jesus’ authority, common deliverance myths, and how believers can walk in spiritual freedom.
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Speaker 1 (00:02):
This is Hungry Gen podcast, and I just want to
thank you for joining us today here at HG. Our
vision is to see thousands say locally and millions globally.
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We hope you enjoyed this week's message.
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We have seven unique characteristics as Hungry Jen. One of
these unique characteristics is confronting the demonic. The other one
is expecting a supernatural. One of them is to make disciples.
One of them is to empower the next generation. One
of them is thousands locally and millions global. It means
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reaching the world through planting churches. We believe that God
is raising up our church and it's not We're not
unique and special in any way. God wants to raise
other churches, not.
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Only to give us many rooms.
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But to give us voices that will come out of
this house and go into many different houses to spark revivals.
But one of the things that get us a lot
of criticism and also a lot of curiosity is that
industry of deliverance.
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Deliverance is not the only thing that we do.
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But because deliverance is becoming kind of one of those
things that there's a lot of interest in, we get
a lot of smack for that. A lot of criticism
for it, which is completely fine. I am not here
to cry about it or apologize for anything, nor to
provide any justification for any of that. I just give
you a little bit of context of where this all
things started and to shift the blame.
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On my pastor, who also happens to be my uncle.
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And I just want to honor my pastor if he
can stand, and we want to honor him and his wife,
Pastor Vasilly and his wife Lubau, thank you. Long time ago,
when I was only thirteen and fourteen years of age,
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our pastor who planted hungry generation, he called it differently.
He called it good news search. We call the youth
group hungry generation. Never intended it to be what it
is today. And he would expose us to the supernatural.
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We were young.
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He would prophesy into our lives that God will use
this and we will go into the nations and preach
the gospel.
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We didn't believe in.
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That, but the Lord had that prophetic word anchored in.
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Our heart when we were young, very young.
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He will take us to conferences as such. They were
smaller where demons was being exposed and expelled.
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They were scary conferences.
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I'm not sure how our parents agreed to send us
with our uncle. I remember terrified because the guy that
the Lord used and that conference was walking with the crucifix,
and most of you know who I'm talking.
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About, doctor bub Larsen.
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And my only hope was sitting in a seminar like
that is for the person in front of me to
manifest so he doesn't get to my role, because I
was like, the way this guy looks at me and
the way he waves his crucifix, I will.
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Scream and out of fear. And that was my first.
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Exposure to deliverance. He would take us to healing conferences
where we will be exposed to the Holy Spirit and
the slain being slain in the Holy Spirit. And this
whole point wasn't that we become demon interested, but his
whole point is that when it's our time to go
into ministry, we will never divorce discipleship from deliverance, and
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that we will never divorce supernatural from building the church.
Some time later, I got exposed to pornography. At first
time I was exposed to pornography, I was a very
young kid in Ukraine. Didn't feel anything, didn't it was
black and white, I just thought women didn't have clothes.
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Okay, so what came to the United States.
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About six months into it, I got exposed and I
felt something entered me. I didn't have a theological context
for that was and my idea of demonization or people
with demons was always limited to people that are crazy,
that have schizophrenia, bipolar like those people walk around on
the streets are not in the right mind. Those are
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the people who have demons. Or if you have parents
that are witch doctors to dedicate you to demons, you
have demons. But I am fourth generation Christian, I grew
up in church. That's just not for me. Every month
I would battle with pornography. Now, mind you, my phone
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wasn't smart at the time, so I didn't have a smartphone.
I had a dumb phone. We had no interest in
our house. There was no OnlyFans, there was no pornography accessible.
Yet once a month, in spite of my discipline, I
would find myself looking at pornography. I ran to my
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pastor and I would tell him, confess him.
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He would pray for.
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Me, and at one time Pastor said something that stuck
with me.
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He said, in our family line.
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There is a spirit of lust, and here I am
confessing him my falling. He praised for me, and he says,
we need to be careful because this spirit is hunting
our bloodline. And I said, why do I need to know.
I'm a teenager. I don't need to know a spirit
hunting our bloodline. But it always stuck with me. A
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year few years later goes by and I applied discipline.
I would have never thought that my problem was spiritual.
I thought my problem was like a problem with every teenager.
You just need to control your eyes, set filters, and
discipline yourself. I applied fasting and all of this stuff.
But problem got more intense until eventually there came a
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revelation that I have a spiritual problem. Now I didn't
go for deliverance. I went for a seven day waterfast.
During this waterfast, I renounced every open door. I felt
that open door were first time I want to exposed
to pornography. The second time I was exposed to pornography,
I've renounced it. Then puke, throw up, yell, shout. None
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of that happened to me. I felt a release, like
a relief that took place, felt lighter. Of course, I
was also fasting for seven days so Dab could explain
why I felt lighter. But after those seven days, one
thing was different. Where I would fall into.
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Porn once a month.
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Now the temptation was there, but that thing that inside
of me craved for it wasn't there anymore. I was
able to say no, and I lived for the glory
of God, walking.
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In that freedom.
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Some time later, it was already years, years later, I
started to experience another attack in my life. It was
in my dreams, it was coming in my thoughts, and
the same craving I experienced for lust for pornography, I
started to feel exactly the same thing.
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And at first I said, what's going on.
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I applied some fasting, applied some.
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Prayer, and I remember having a thought, I think.
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I need deliverance. But of course I've brushed it off.
And I said, I don't think I need deliverance. I
already went through self deliverance. I was already married. So
I told my wife. I said, do you think I
have a demon? My wife said, and when your wife
says no, it does not say no. And I told
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her everything that I was experienced. He said, I said,
that's not reassuring. But I brushed it off. I was like,
it's not as severe. One of the people in my
team in an encounter with me, were just walking in
the hall and he says, hey, I just went through deliverance.
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And I said, what what do you mean you went
through deliverance. He's a military man, he's in our team
right now, he's here and I said, what do you mean.
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You went through deliverance.
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He says, yeah, I finished his classes and this minister
was offering a deliverance session and I went through it.
And he said, it's interesting. When I was involved in
the military and I was doing the the killing for
the government, he said, the demon confessed the demon enjoyed
doing that. And he went on the moment he's sharing
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that I'm feeling nauseous and I'm feeling I'm about to
throw up. He's I'm like, that's weird. And I said, well,
thank you for sharing that. I live that night with
this thought you need to be delivered. So I told
my wife and I said, I'm gonna take a few
days to fast and pray because I've been experiencing for
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months already, these these things. I can't shake it off,
and I think I need someone to take me through
the prey of deliverance. Now, I'm already we believe in deliverance,
we practice that. I believe in that stuff. And now
I'm facing this thing. So I have a minister that
I also would go to who scares me. And I said,
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this is the one that I'm gonna reach out. And
I messaged on Monday and I said, Hey, can I
see you for just a moment.
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So you can pray for me? And I said, no,
I didn't.
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Cheat on my wife, didn't cheat on my taxis, didn't
do any scandal. I'm okay, But I think I just
need I just need some prayer. He says, absolutely, get
on a zoom call. It takes me through some basic stuff.
Now I was ready, I was desperate. I wasn't going
just to get a CT scan. I was going because
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I identified something.
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I couldn't fix.
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When you have a wound, you gotta disinfect it, put
a band aid on. But when you have a splinter,
you don't put a band aid on it. You gotta
pulled that thing out. And so another remember already going
to the zoom call, and I'm just gonna feeling weird.
Now I pray for other people I know how this feels,
and I've seen it under face, and now I was
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the one that was going through. It turns out that
there were generational things that were happening, and I knew
there were generational things that were happening. And for some
of you this may come out as a little bit
kind of weird.
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What you mean generational things?
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When people dedicate their children to God, God begins to
mark them each generation. When parents dedicate their children to Satan,
to witchcraft, demons begin to mark that generations. You may say,
but what if people just give their life to Christ.
There's still certain things they need to be broken and
choose out. So many generations that go. And then I've
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remembered the pastor's word when he said, he said there
is some kind of a spirit that is hunting our generation.
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Where every generation there were weird.
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Bizarre accidents that would happen, like my grandfather ran over
his own child. I was supposed to be born dead,
and then I survived, and the next two years I
spent in a hospital, and then one time I died
and it was actually my uncle who did a CPR
with taking in tongues and all of this stuff, who
brought me back to life. There was this thing that
was hunting my life from the beginning, that was trying
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to kill me in the infancy, in the womb, because somehow,
four or five generations ago, somebody went to the witch
doctors and asked for a blessing to get a harvest
on the fields, and in exchange they gave their generations
to the enemy. So now though we served Christ, yet
we had these unexplainable things happening. And what I was
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fighting is I was fighting the spirit of lust, but
in reality, lust was just running errands for the spirit
of death. There was running errands for Leviatin and somebody
who was ruling and pulling these strings in my life.
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Here I am fighting.
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The baby demons, but there was this boss thing there was.
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Controlling that generation. And I remember when that demon manifested Yeah,
and it spoke through me, and then something begin to happen.
Then it finally makes sense.
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It's almost like a curtain God pulled away. And I
experienced that when that thing came out. Not only I
felt lighter, it was the shift that took place in
my dreams, a shift that took place in my mind,
A shift that took place in my spiritual walk. Now,
I'm not the only one that experienced that. Hundreds of
people experienced that. Millions of people throughout the history of
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Christian faith experienced stuff. We're not doing deliverance because I
got delivered. We're doing deliverance because Jesus delivers the captives.
We're doing deliveries because Jesus still says the captives free.
But I don't want to stand here today and pretend
and talk about something I read in the book, or
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because it's sensational, because it's somehow makes us feel powerful.
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My friend, this thing changes lives.
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I've seen my own wife when we got married, in
the first year and a half of our marriage, where
she was suffering with torments to tipate debilitating torments. At night,
she would wake up in screams, and there was this
generational curse that was on her life. And we prayed
every prayer that we prayed until somebody else actually ministered to.
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Her and that thing was broken and she would.
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Break the mental strongholds now in her mind, and her
life changed.
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So I want to share today.
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That when you see us talking about this stuff, this
is not because it's popular. This is not because it's sensational.
This is because, first of all, it's a ministry of Jesus,
and we do now want to domesticate dysfunction. We do
now want to tolerate what Jesus came to terminate. What
Jesus came to neutralize. Jesus Christ is still yesterday, today
and forever the same. So are demons. They still hurt people,
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they still harass people, and they still torment people. How
did this deliver? It is became normal in our church.
Number one, our pastor exposed us. You did really well
that you came here. Because you were exposed. Your first
reaction might be the same way as ours were. Why
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is he walking around with the crucifix and yelling? Your
first reaction is why is there twenty seven cameras here?
Why are they yelling at demons? Why you all of
these things? That's fine, but you're being exposed. The second
thing is things were explained to us. We were giving
books shameless plug. If you're exposed, you have a lot
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of questions. Take this and have things be explained, because
when you experience certain things and things are not explained,
the enemy can come and steal the word. And that's
one of the reasons I felt the Lord put on
my to share that and to bring some of the
biblical understanding of that, so that we're not just doing
stuff based on exposure.
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But there's some explanation.
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But the third thing that happened to us is there
were exemples.
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We always focus not.
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Only on manifestations, but on a testimony afterwards. We can
argue till we turn blue about how deliverance is supposed
to be done. But one thing you and I cannot
argue is the after effect. When the Holy Spirit sets
somebody free, when the medical report confirms the sickness is gone,
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when there is no more voices in their head, when
their lives are changed, when that spirit spouse is gone,
and that person now can have children and their affection
is back in their marriage. And that's why examples are powerful.
I always tell leaders and pastors it's not just about
people experiencing deliverance. The rest of the church needs to
hear what happened after and not only their exact simp
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not only that our exposure and explanation.
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This the last thing is changes.
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Everything is your own experience, your own experience of going
through the deliverance. Deliverance is not the only thing we do.
Deliverance is not only we do in our services and conferences.
We do it and retreats on small groups, and we
made it a part of who and how we do
our discipleship going forward as Christians in the United States.
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If you make it at taboo, you will rob Jesus
from the glory of manifesting his kingdom in the earth.
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Of the realm.
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If you keep making deliverance at taboo, you'll rob people
of God of the freedom Jesus died for them to
have more and more people coming to our churches, not
from fundamental Biblical conscsservative background, but from new age, from
witchcraft and sinner's prayer. Just receiving Jesus going through baptism
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classes doesn't solve many people's problems. And if the preaching
comes from the pulpit that shames people for having these problems,
that doesn't solve the problem. It just puts the demons
into hiding and people suffer silently. Our fear of manifestations,
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fear of what this will glorify demons. While we have
your stage and lights and smoke machines, we don't have
fear that this will glorify the worship team. We don't
have fear that a microphone and lights and the pastor
glorifies the pastor when we preach the gospel.
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All of these counter fears.
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What they do is they rob Jesus from the glory
that he deserves, and people from the freedom he paid
for them to have. Amen, the next few moments that
I have, I want you to stand to your feet
with me and open your bible to the Gospel of
Mark chapter one. If you have a physical Bible, which
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I would encourage you to bring to church with you
a physical bible, but since the iPhone or the android
is smaller and more can fit on, it is also
acceptable Gospel of Mark chapter one and verse twenty two.
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And they were astonished.
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At his teaching, for he taught them as the one
who graduated from Bible seminary, He understood Greek and Hebrew.
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Nope, for he.
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Taught them as the one having authority, not as the scribes.
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Verse twenty three.
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Now there was a certain man in their synagogue with
an unclean spirit, and he cried out, saying, let us alone, what.
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Have we to do with you, Jesus of Nazareth.
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Did you come to destroy us. I know who you are,
the Holy One of God, Verse twenty five. But Jesus
told the ushers get him out of this service.
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Oh no, that's not what the Maible says.
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But Jesus rebuked him, saying, be quiet and come out
of him. And when the unclean spirit had convolved him
and cried out with a loud voice, he came out
of him. They were all amazed. So they questioned among themselves, saying, what.
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Is this, What is this new doctrine?
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For with authority, he commands even unclean spirits, and they
obey him, and immediately his fame spread through out all
the region around Galilee. Holy Spirit, open our minds to
understand your word. Let your truth set us free.
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Lord. I know there's a lot.
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Of traditional cockroaches stuck in our brains.
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Let your word squash them. Amen, you may be seated.
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If you're taking notes, I want you to write down
just few simple thoughts.
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Number one, you can be in church and not be free.
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Church attendance does not equal freedom. A man was in
a synagogue, and the Bible says he had an unclean spirit,
the New Testament word for demon possession. As the King
James inaccurately translates is.
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The word for demonization.
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It means to be with an unclean spirit or to
have an unclean spirit, And in all of the times
it simply means a person who has an indwelling spirit
in them to various degrees.
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But I want you to notice.
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That the Bible says that a man was in the
synagogue who had an unclean spirit. Church attendance does not
equal freedom. Church membership is not a validation that you
are free. Two things happen sometimes in our churches.
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I say ours, not yours.
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There's lack of anointing that exposes the demonic. There's anointing
that teaches the believers, there's anointing that even p the prophesy.
But there is a measure of anointing that.
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Expose tho the demonic.
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Sometimes that anointing is not present because the ministers of God.
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Like myself, still have issues.
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In their own life. They're battling, so there's lack of
confidence to confront things they're living with.
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Jesus didn't cast out.
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Demons until he defeated them in the wilderness. When you're
defeated in the private by the very demons, your tail
goes in between your legs when you.
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Have to confront the demonic.
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It's not that the anointing cannot operate, is that there
is no confidence to confront something you're sleeping with. There
is no confidence to confront something you're cohabitating with.
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That's why I always pray for.
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Your pastors and your preachers to have a fresh encounter
with God and to walk with boldness, to walk with
God for this and to walk in purity, because just
because they're pastors, it does not.
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Mean they're superhuman.
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Some of you got offended with the fact that I
shared my testimony by being vulnerable, even as a preacher.
But today we're not offended when the pastor gets up,
and today it's a badge of honor for the pastor to.
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Say, I have a therapist, And.
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That is good for you to have a therapist.
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To have a counselor.
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But every once in a while, some of us need deliverance.
When there's lack of annointing, demons get domesticated instead of confronted.
Sometimes lack of that anointing comes simply from lack of revelation,
and sometimes the lack of that anointing comes from the
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fact that we lack confidence because privately we battle with
things that seeps at our confidence that God.
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Wants us to confront things the other time.
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Why demons don't show up, it's not because they're not there.
It's because people who have them got used to them
and they're not desperate to be free, because our culture
taught them that it's all mental and they need medicine
to treat their demons. We give demons medical terms, and
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for our demons in.
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Our culture, we have therapists.
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So when a person is not desperate for freedom, they
could sit with that demon for a very long time
until the time comes and they got sick and tired,
and they got desperate, and they come. They don't care
what anybody will think. They don't care what anybody will say,
they don't care what title they have in the church.
They say, I can't live like this anymore. I gotta
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be free. And I know some of you you feel
bad for people who are going through deliverance. Even in
our conference, you're like, man, that this person has fallen
there on the screen.
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Listen, listen.
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Many of these people are so desperate for God. What
you think of them is not under list. So many
people I remember when I went through my deliverance, what
would people think? That didn't matter because I'm tired of
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looking free and not being free and the private private life.
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When the private life is not backed up with the
public image, it cas on you.
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And after a while you get tired of being tired,
and you become desperate. And when the aspiration reaches the peak,
something pops.
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Like a popcorn.
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And so you get these people who come to the
synagogue like this man. I think he was tired of
living like he lived, and the annointing was there and
the unclean.
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Spirit was exposed.
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People who say, well, in our church's genius don't manifest, it's.
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Not because they're not there. Because I can.
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Guarantee you if Jesus Christ, the Son of God, would
have showed up, the same thing would have happened that
happened in the synagogue.
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Let's not even bring Jesus Christ.
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If we would do a very simple message on deliverance
and just highlight the signs that somebody might need freedom
and open a call for salvation and for ministry, you
would see a very different picture than what we see
every single week. People are silent and suffering, and when
the annoyting of the Holy Spirit is present by ministers
who are not perfect, but they're real.
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They're not professionals, but they're confident.
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The same power they raise Jesus from the dead lives
inside of us.
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The yoke is broken because of the anointing.
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I finished a Bible seminary, but the anointing is not seminary.
Anointing is the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus.
The second thing I want you to highlight, and that
is this. The presence of Jesus made the demon cry out,
but it was his command.
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That cast it out.
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I want you to notice that Jesus showing up in
the synagogue caused the demon to cry out, but the
demon didn't.
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Leave when Jesus showed up.
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The two arguments that I've heard of people say that
Christians cannot have demons is one, when you're saved, demons
are gone. And the second argument is the Holy Spirit
and the demon cannot live in the same person. And
I have a whole chapter that I discussed that in
the book. I will not go into that tonight highlights
something I want you to notice. That Jesus shows up
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in a synagogue if the theory that is presented, though
there is not one verse in the Bible that explicitly
says if you accept Jesus in your heart, you immediately
experience deliverance from demons. But if that theory is correct,
why when Jesus showed up in the synagogue, demons were
not expelled until he cast them out.
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There is few ways that churches.
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Ministries do deliverance today. And this is not in any
way to point fingers at anybody. I'm just gonna show
you how some people view it. I call them models
of deliverance. The first one is the Gospel encounter, which
simply teaches all you need to do is accept Jesus
as your Lord and savior.
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All the demon problem is gone.
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But and I can go on for a very long time,
but I'm just gonna highlight one thing Jesus told his disciples,
go and push the gospel. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers,
raise the dead, and cast out demons. If the demon
problem is solved by preaching the gospel, why did Jesus say,
preach the gospel, heal.
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The sick, cast our demons.
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If you argue that by accepting Jesus in your heart,
you automatically get rid of demons. You might as well
go a step further and say, if you accept Jesus
in your heart, you also get automatically healed. But we
don't see that in the gospels. We see a specific
command to cast our demons, and it's not connected to
preaching the gospel.
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It's following the preaching of the gospel.
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The second way that people treat the demon problem in
churches today is therapy and counter we have a demon.
Here is a list of Christian therapists. Go and see
them and get some meds. That is sad, but that
is the way we treat the demonization in churches today.
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You just need to see a counselor. We believe in consuling.
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Holy Spirit is a counsular, Jesus is our counselor God wants.
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To give us wisdom.
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But please understand, a demon problem is not solved by therapy.
A demon problem is solved by deliverance. The third one
is a truth encounter, and this is very common with
charismatic and Pentecostal circles who are too afraid to admit
the Christians can have demons and simply would bundle in
a bit of a kind of generic, confusing term where like,
all you need to do is break agreement with lies.
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It's all in your pretty much, it says this, it's
all in your heads. You just gotta break down the strongholds.
I want you to notice, Jesus did not rebuke the stronghold.
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He rebuked a demon.
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Strongholds are real, they need to be brought down. But
demons are not strongholds. Demons are entities. They seek for
the body, and they need to be confronted and cast out.
Strongholds need to be confronted and cast down. You know
the truth, and the truth will set you free. But
the truth does not drive out a demon. The anointing
and commending the demon to leave is what drives out
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a demon when a person experiences deliverers.
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Many of us still need the renewing of the mind.
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But please understand, never substitute renewing of the mind in
the street. Jesus did in this synagogue. The Bible doesn't
say and Jesus tole the man who's convulsing and manifesting. Hey,
you just need to memorize the scripture. It's all in
your head, brother, break agreement with lies.
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You probably allowed some kind of a lie. The Bible
says he rebuked the spirit and commanded him out.
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Not a mindset, not an attitude, not a principle, not
a mental disposition, a spirit. If it's a demon problem,
it needs a deliverertive solution. The third option, the fourth option,
is the inner healing encounter, and this is very popular
in charismatic circles as well. We don't confront demons, We
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only heal trauma.
Speaker 4 (31:44):
Now, traumas need to be healed.
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And the way you saw, Pastor Eli explained that today
he has phenomenal teachings on that. We don't think everything
is a demon, but demons exploit trauma. Demons manipulate trauma,
Demons huge trauma. The wounds neglected become wounds infected.
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And they spread. But once the wound.
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Is disinfected, once the healing happens, what has to happen afterwards.
If the demon is attached to it, the demon must
be expelled.
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But to treat everything under one.
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Umbrella, to put the bend aid on a wound, thinking
that will cure the splinter, my friend, we're only causing
the damage to go deeper. The legal encounter, and this
is common with people who would say, don't cast demons
out simply how people repeat renouncing prayers and all of
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the problem will be gone.
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Renouncement is very important.
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I like how Pastor Rickard likes to say, just because
you remove and Netflix app from your phone, it doesn't
mean you canceled its subscription. Renouncing is you're canceling subscription,
but you then still have to remove.
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The app when you renounce.
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We believe in renouncing will lead people to renouncing. But
deliverance is not just renouncing. It is confronting and commanding
unclean spirits to leave. Deliverance is a powered encounter. It's
casting demons out. Look at how Jesus dealt with demons.
I'll show you quickly the verses Mark one twenty five.
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But Jesus rebuked him, saying be quiet and come out
of him, Mark eight sixteen. When the evening had come,
they brought to him many who were demon possessed, and
he cast out the spirits with the word you don't see,
hugging them out, consoling them out, medicating them out, bandaging
them out, telling them to just memorize few verses out,
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cast them out, and.
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Healed all who were sick. Do you see the difference.
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Between healing and deliverance Matthew nine thirty three. And when
the demon was cast out, the mute spoke Matthew ten one.
And when he had called his twelve disciples to him,
he gave them power over unclean spirit to what to
cast them out. And then you see difference. To heal
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all kinds of diseases and all kinds of diseases, Matthew
you ten eight, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise
the dead, cast out demons Matthew twelve twenty eight. But
if I cast out demons by the spirit of God
Mark one thirty four, then he healed many who were
sick with various diseases.
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And cast out many demons. This is the gospel.
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This is what Jesus was doing Mark one thirty nine.
And he was preaching in their synagogues and throughout all
the Galilee. And man, why Jesus focused so much on demons, No,
he focused so much on people and their freedom Mark
three point fifteen. And to have power to heal diseases
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and to cast our demons Mark six thirteen. And they
cast out many demons and anointed with oil many who
were sick, and healed them Mark sixteen nine. And when
he rose early on the first day of the week,
he appeared first to marry Magdalen, out of whom he
had cast out seven demons Mark sixteen seventeen. And these
signs shall follow those who believe in my name. They
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will cast out demons. They will speak with new tongues.
Look thirteen thirty two. And he said to them, go
tell that fox before I cast out demons, and perform
cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall
be perfected. I want you to know this common word
cast out. Demons are dealt with biblically by being confronted
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and commanded out of a person, not off of a person.
The common charismatic Pentecostal soft way is we just break
off spiritual fear. What does that mean? Where he is
just kind of in the atmosphere, you break it off.
It doesn't hang like a chindelier. You don't break those
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things off in the air. Biblical deliverance is casting out
of a person, not off of a person. You may say,
but Saul, he had a spirit that was oppressing him,
and David played music.
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Saul never got delivered Jesus' model is better.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
David was David, but Jesus is the son of David,
and he gives us the perfect model.
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And his model is this.
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He would go everywhere, and he would preach the gospel.
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He will heal the sick.
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And you see this common thing do we somehow ignore,
is that he cast out many spirits, many demons, out
of people. Mary shows up to see Jesus after his resurrection,
out of whom he cast out seven spirits. I mean
there was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven somebody counted.
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And before when Jesus told the demon to be silent,
it was because he was ready to cast it out.
No further need was given to speak for a demon
as a witness to jesus authority. This is not a
universal rule against any speech or interaction with deliverance. Lad
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I believe in all this deliverance. Why do you give
a demon a microphone? Let me ask you just one question.
Why did God give demon a verse? A full verse?
Here is given to a demon? Verse twenty four. Now,
this Bible is holy spirit inspired. I opened it to
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read God's word, and I stumbled upon one verse.
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That's not God's word. It's a demon word.
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So I need to find scissors and cut the demon
words out because demons are liars. Why would God let
me read demonic words? This is themonic word. Let us alone.
That's not God's word, that's a demon word. Why did
God put that in the Bible? Why did Jesus listen
to it? Somebody recorded it or remembered it, and it
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was translated to us in many languages and in many
different things. And then Jesus, when the demon finished speaking,
said be quiet and come out of him. And people
will say, this is a formula. You don't speak to
demons one hundred percent. We don't have conversation with demons.
But there are seasons and there are moments where you
interrogate a demon.
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Do you have to do that for every deliverance?
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Absolutely not, But instead a biblical precedent where that is
not allowed. And somehow somebody who does that is violating
a biblical protocol.
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No, Jesus did it.
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Now you might not be comfortable, But just because you're
not comfortable, it doesn't mean it's not biblical. You might
not like it, that's okay. You might argue against it.
Is this I will never do it that's fine. But
the moment you step out of that and you begin
to say that is not biblical. When your Bible has
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verses dedicated to demon words, When your Bible has words
dedicated specifically to demons, my friend, and you cannot call
it not biblical.
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Some people will say, well.
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Jesus said for demons not to speak in verse thirty
four of chapter one. Then he healed many who were
sick with various diseases and cast out demons, and did
not allow the demons to speak because they knew him.
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Mark one for four and forty five.
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It says he strictly warned him, Now this is a
leproch who was killed, and sent him away at once,
and said to him, see that you say nothing to anyone.
Mark five eight and nine. It says he said to him,
come out of him, unclean spirit. And then he asked them,
what is your name? Jesus told demons to be quiet,
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while in other situations he'll let them.
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Speak, even ask them questions.
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He also told people to be quiet and not to
share their testimonies, and then in other places he told
them to share their testimony. If Jesus sometimes told people
to stay silent, who should we.
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To allow them testimonies.
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But we all know the context dictates what Jesus meant.
This is very basic, but I want to give you
biblical context of why during our deliverances, occasionally in the
amount of prayer that is being offered, you will see
a demon speaking out. In some places, a pastor would say,
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we don't allow that, and that's okay.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Jesus allowed that. We're gonna cite more with Jesus.
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You may say, I don't allow any manifestations, and I
don't allow.
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Anything to speak. I bind all the manifestations.
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I find that interesting that Jesus didn't bind all the manifestations. Well,
it's gonna freak out people, and people gonna leave thinking
we gave demons attention. That was not the point when
Jesus let the demon speak. He wasn't giving demon attention. Sometimes,
under the power of the Holy Spirit, the demons are
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confronted and interrogated.
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We would ask a question, who are.
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You, how did you enter, what have you done to
this person, and then command that demon out. Like yesterday,
I was praying for one person who happens to be
a pastor, and the demon was obviously in control of
this person's faculties, and the demon.
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Says, you know, I don't want to leave. When I asked,
you know.
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How did you enter, the demon says, I've been there
for three generations and I entered through malestation.
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Okay, that's also my key.
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Next thing that happens is when that unclean spirit was
commanded commanded out, And that's the brother who is saying
right now, thank you, because after that he was set free,
and after that he was liberated. And you may say,
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how can somebody be a pastor?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Have you heard pastors fall pastors of humans?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And sometimes I'm battling with things that they will not
they cannot tell you, And it takes courage and humility
to be able to come and say, hey, I'm here
to receive.
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I'm here to receive from God.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
And if there is something that I'm battling with that
I got picked up because somebody violated me when I
was a child, and I cannot overcome that on my own.
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I want Jesus to get it out.
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And we can debate about the methods and all of
this stuff, but I want to submit to you. When
Jesus told that unclean spirit to be quiet, it's because hey,
this thing is over.
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We're ready to get it out.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
We don't have conversations with demons. We didn't take them
on bunny trails or anything.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Ask them all kinds of weird questions.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
We are there to set the person free, but sometimes
it's necessary to extract the necessary information to begin to
bring that freedom to that person in a more effective way.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Can somebody say, amen? Number five?
Speaker 3 (43:22):
The focus of Jesus is the freedom of the person,
not the comfort of the crowd. Jesus allowed the demon
not only to speak, he allowed the demon to cry out.
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And I want you to notice.
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What happened in Jesus' ministry because what you see today,
and I remember the first time I saw it, it
was very uncomfortable because I've never seen anything like that.
The most I've seen in the church is when somebody
interrupts a sermon, not like this where we had today
with somebody manifested, but somebody would interrupt a sermon and
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speak out loud in tongues, and somebody else would get
up on the other aisle and interrupt that person and
interpid the tongues. But I never grew up seeing a
manifestation or a deliverance and so when you see something
like that, you say, well, this is not right, that
this doesn't belong in the church. The church supposed to
have an order, The church supposed to be a place
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where unbelievers are not offended. What about the children? But
what about the other people? I want you to see
what happened in Jesus' ministry Mark one, twenty six when
the unclean spirit had convulsed him and cried out with
a loud voice, Acts eight seven, And cried out with
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a loud voice, and came out of many who were possessed,
Mark nine to twenty six.
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Then the spirit cried out.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Convulsed him greatly, and came out of him Matthew Ate
twenty nine. And suddenly they cried out, saying, what have
we to do with you? G Yes, is the son
of God?
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Have you come out here to torment us before time?
Mark five twelve.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
And all demons begged him, saying, send us to the swine,
that we might enter him.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Look four thirty five.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
And the demon threw him down in their midst and
came out of him and didn't hurt him. Look four
thirty four and thirty three and thirty four, And he
was teaching, and a man in a synagogue cried out
with a loud voice.
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Acts eight seven.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Uncle's spirits crying with a loud voice came out of
many that were possessed. I am not saying your church
alter call should run like ours. What I'm saying is
the idea that it will offend the unbelievers. Somehow, Jesus
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wasn't driven by that, and may I submit to you,
most of unbelievers will never forget that service for the
rest of their life. Jesus was not concerned with the
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comfort of the crowd.
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He was concerned with the freedom of the individual.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
If you are a person and pleasing people is your
number one thing, I would ask you not only not
to do deliverance, don't get engaged with anything that's spiritual,
gifts of the Holy Spirit. Stay away from that because
somebody will get offended. You might as well not even
do ministry, because there are people who will not understand
you sell ice cream. They like those who sell ice cream.
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If you want to do ministry, you want to be
used by the Holy Spirit. You want to do what
Jesus did. Pleasing the crowd cannot be your number one thing.
You live for fulfilling the commission of Jesus. Loving people,
bringing freedom to people is more important than the pleasing
of the crowd.
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Amen. And lastly, the church needs a.
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Fresh awe of Jesus's authority, not a taste of entertainment.
When Jesus delivered that man, the scripture says, they were
in awe not of the production, but of the power
of God. They were in awe that Jesus has the authority, not.
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That demons were violent.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
When people see deliverance and it is genuine move of
the Holy Spirit, people leave with the fear of God,
not the.
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Fear of demons.
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People leave with the fresh revelation that Jesus is real,
the Kingdom of God is real, Satan is real, Sin
is real, Holy Spirit is real.
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And I think what we have today is we have lights.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And I love that we have marketing strategy, and I
love that we have a nonprofit status. And I love
that we have subscribers and we have followers. We have influencers,
and we have coffee shops, and we have lights, and
we have acoustics, we have microphones, and we have smoke machines.
We have all these programs. We have all of these things.
And they have their place. But I wonder how much
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of those things have become a crutch for us where
people are not in awe with who Jesus is. They're
in awe with our production. That costs millions of dollars.
But the price we pay to bring people back to
the awe of Jesus is to allow his kingdom to
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manifest without restrictions. It is not to put our boundaries
around it and say, no, we're not comfortable with this,
We're not comfortable with this. No, we're comfortable with what
Jesus is comfortable with, and that is to set the
captives for and to bring the power of God to
our generation. But pastor new people will be offended. Did
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you see what the new people dressed.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Up like yesterday night?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Do you see what new people watch under TV shows?
Do you see what new people absorb in our generation?
The generation we live today is hungry for the supernatural,
but they can spot the fake right away.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
They can spot the show right away.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
And what I'm saying is this, The good is of
the Gospel is the raw manifestation of the Kingdom of God.
Don't hide that from your generation. Don't present them as
sanitized domesticated Jesus. That cannot heal, they cannot deliver, and
they cannot change. Jesus Christ is worthy of our awe.
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His authority is real, his power is real. Does every
church need to do deliver this is like absolutely not.
We walk in the revelation that was given to us
and we grow every year. But one thing that we
have a little bit more on the side of crazy
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than most is we struggle with this disorder called fearlessness
and not afraid to be awkwards sometimes. Amen, It's not
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a disorder.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
It's just a proclivity to be bold. And I can
tell you that many of you are gathered for that reason.
As you say, Hey, I am tired of people who
are calculated, balanced and balanced in a negative way. I
want something that's real, wants something that's raw. Amen, so hungry.
Jan's vision is to lead people to encounter God daily.
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Deliverance is not who we are. Deliverance is part of
our discipleship process.
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You're here today. Jesus loves you so much.
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He wants to set you free, and we are here
to be those instruments to pray for you, minister to
you and the Holy Spirit is going to do the rest.
May this be the conference where you get exposed to
the reality of the Kingdom of God. May you read
the material so you can hear things explained when you
hear the testimonies and be convinced this is real. We
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don't have a hidden agenda here. There's no popular speakers
that you see online anywhere. None of us get paid
on the arum, and most of us stayed in the
hotels and came here at our own expense without any reimbursements.
To keep the cost of this conference low. We don't
charge you for the conference, and we don't make it
super difficult. Why because our desire here is to bring freedom,
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and the first few letters of the word freedom is free.
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Freely. You received freely you give hey Man.
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We hope you enjoyed this week's message.
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We have seven unique characteristics as Hungry Jen. One of
these unique characteristics is confronting the demonic. The other one
is expecting a supernatural. One of them is to make disciples.
One of them is to empower the next generation. One
of them is thousands locally and millions global. It means
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reaching the world through planting churches. We believe that God
is raising up our church and it's not We're not
unique and special in any way. God wants to raise
other churches, not.
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Only to give us many rooms.
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But to give us voices that will come out of
this house and go into many different houses to spark revivals.
But one of the things that get us a lot
of criticism and also a lot of curiosity is that
industry of deliverance.
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Deliverance is not the only thing that we do.
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But because deliverance is becoming kind of one of those
things that there's a lot of interest in, we get
a lot of smack for that. A lot of criticism
for it, which is completely fine. I am not here
to cry about it or apologize for anything, nor to
provide any justification for any of that. I just give
you a little bit of context of where this all
things started and to shift the blame.
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On my pastor, who also happens to be my uncle.
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And I just want to honor my pastor if he
can stand, and we want to honor him and his wife,
Pastor Vasilly and his wife Lubau, thank you. Long time ago,
when I was only thirteen and fourteen years of age,
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our pastor who planted hungry generation, he called it differently.
He called it good news search. We call the youth
group hungry generation. Never intended it to be what it
is today. And he would expose us to the supernatural.
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We were young.
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He would prophesy into our lives that God will use
this and we will go into the nations and preach
the gospel.
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We didn't believe in.
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That, but the Lord had that prophetic word anchored in.
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Our heart when we were young, very young.
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He will take us to conferences as such. They were
smaller where demons was being exposed and expelled.
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They were scary conferences.
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I'm not sure how our parents agreed to send us
with our uncle. I remember terrified because the guy that
the Lord used and that conference was walking with the crucifix,
and most of you know who I'm talking.
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About, doctor bub Larsen.
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And my only hope was sitting in a seminar like
that is for the person in front of me to
manifest so he doesn't get to my role, because I
was like, the way this guy looks at me and
the way he waves his crucifix, I will.
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Scream and out of fear. And that was my first.
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Exposure to deliverance. He would take us to healing conferences
where we will be exposed to the Holy Spirit and
the slain being slain in the Holy Spirit. And this
whole point wasn't that we become demon interested, but his
whole point is that when it's our time to go
into ministry, we will never divorce discipleship from deliverance, and
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that we will never divorce supernatural from building the church.
Some time later, I got exposed to pornography. At first
time I was exposed to pornography, I was a very
young kid in Ukraine. Didn't feel anything, didn't it was
black and white, I just thought women didn't have clothes.
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Okay, so what came to the United States.
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About six months into it, I got exposed and I
felt something entered me. I didn't have a theological context
for that was and my idea of demonization or people
with demons was always limited to people that are crazy,
that have schizophrenia, bipolar like those people walk around on
the streets are not in the right mind. Those are
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the people who have demons. Or if you have parents
that are witch doctors to dedicate you to demons, you
have demons. But I am fourth generation Christian, I grew
up in church. That's just not for me. Every month
I would battle with pornography. Now, mind you, my phone
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wasn't smart at the time, so I didn't have a smartphone.
I had a dumb phone. We had no interest in
our house. There was no OnlyFans, there was no pornography accessible.
Yet once a month, in spite of my discipline, I
would find myself looking at pornography. I ran to my
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pastor and I would tell him, confess him.
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He would pray for.
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Me, and at one time Pastor said something that stuck
with me.
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He said, in our family line.
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There is a spirit of lust, and here I am
confessing him my falling. He praised for me, and he says,
we need to be careful because this spirit is hunting
our bloodline. And I said, why do I need to know.
I'm a teenager. I don't need to know a spirit
hunting our bloodline. But it always stuck with me. A
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year few years later goes by and I applied discipline.
I would have never thought that my problem was spiritual.
I thought my problem was like a problem with every teenager.
You just need to control your eyes, set filters, and
discipline yourself. I applied fasting and all of this stuff.
But problem got more intense until eventually there came a
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revelation that I have a spiritual problem. Now I didn't
go for deliverance. I went for a seven day waterfast.
During this waterfast, I renounced every open door. I felt
that open door were first time I want to exposed
to pornography. The second time I was exposed to pornography,
I've renounced it. Then puke, throw up, yell, shout. None
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of that happened to me. I felt a release, like
a relief that took place, felt lighter. Of course, I
was also fasting for seven days so Dab could explain
why I felt lighter. But after those seven days, one
thing was different. Where I would fall into.
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Porn once a month.
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Now the temptation was there, but that thing that inside
of me craved for it wasn't there anymore. I was
able to say no, and I lived for the glory
of God, walking.
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In that freedom.
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Some time later, it was already years, years later, I
started to experience another attack in my life. It was
in my dreams, it was coming in my thoughts, and
the same craving I experienced for lust for pornography, I
started to feel exactly the same thing.
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And at first I said, what's going on.
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I applied some fasting, applied some.
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Prayer, and I remember having a thought, I think.
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I need deliverance. But of course I've brushed it off.
And I said, I don't think I need deliverance. I
already went through self deliverance. I was already married. So
I told my wife. I said, do you think I
have a demon? My wife said, and when your wife
says no, it does not say no. And I told
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her everything that I was experienced. He said, I said,
that's not reassuring. But I brushed it off. I was like,
it's not as severe. One of the people in my
team in an encounter with me, were just walking in
the hall and he says, hey, I just went through deliverance.
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And I said, what what do you mean you went
through deliverance. He's a military man, he's in our team
right now, he's here and I said, what do you mean.
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You went through deliverance.
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He says, yeah, I finished his classes and this minister
was offering a deliverance session and I went through it.
And he said, it's interesting. When I was involved in
the military and I was doing the the killing for
the government, he said, the demon confessed the demon enjoyed
doing that. And he went on the moment he's sharing
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that I'm feeling nauseous and I'm feeling I'm about to
throw up. He's I'm like, that's weird. And I said, well,
thank you for sharing that. I live that night with
this thought you need to be delivered. So I told
my wife and I said, I'm gonna take a few
days to fast and pray because I've been experiencing for
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months already, these these things. I can't shake it off,
and I think I need someone to take me through
the prey of deliverance. Now, I'm already we believe in deliverance,
we practice that. I believe in that stuff. And now
I'm facing this thing. So I have a minister that
I also would go to who scares me. And I said,
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this is the one that I'm gonna reach out. And
I messaged on Monday and I said, Hey, can I
see you for just a moment.
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So you can pray for me? And I said, no,
I didn't.
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Cheat on my wife, didn't cheat on my taxis, didn't
do any scandal. I'm okay, But I think I just
need I just need some prayer. He says, absolutely, get
on a zoom call. It takes me through some basic stuff.
Now I was ready, I was desperate. I wasn't going
just to get a CT scan. I was going because
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I identified something.
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I couldn't fix.
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When you have a wound, you gotta disinfect it, put
a band aid on. But when you have a splinter,
you don't put a band aid on it. You gotta
pulled that thing out. And so another remember already going
to the zoom call, and I'm just gonna feeling weird.
Now I pray for other people I know how this feels,
and I've seen it under face, and now I was
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the one that was going through. It turns out that
there were generational things that were happening, and I knew
there were generational things that were happening. And for some
of you this may come out as a little bit
kind of weird.
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What you mean generational things?
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When people dedicate their children to God, God begins to
mark them each generation. When parents dedicate their children to Satan,
to witchcraft, demons begin to mark that generations. You may say,
but what if people just give their life to Christ.
There's still certain things they need to be broken and
choose out. So many generations that go. And then I've
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remembered the pastor's word when he said, he said there
is some kind of a spirit that is hunting our generation.
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Where every generation there were weird.
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Bizarre accidents that would happen, like my grandfather ran over
his own child. I was supposed to be born dead,
and then I survived, and the next two years I
spent in a hospital, and then one time I died
and it was actually my uncle who did a CPR
with taking in tongues and all of this stuff, who
brought me back to life. There was this thing that
was hunting my life from the beginning, that was trying
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to kill me in the infancy, in the womb, because somehow,
four or five generations ago, somebody went to the witch
doctors and asked for a blessing to get a harvest
on the fields, and in exchange they gave their generations
to the enemy. So now though we served Christ, yet
we had these unexplainable things happening. And what I was
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fighting is I was fighting the spirit of lust, but
in reality, lust was just running errands for the spirit
of death. There was running errands for Leviatin and somebody
who was ruling and pulling these strings in my life.
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Here I am fighting.
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The baby demons, but there was this boss thing there was.
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Controlling that generation. And I remember when that demon manifested Yeah,
and it spoke through me, and then something begin to happen.
Then it finally makes sense.
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It's almost like a curtain God pulled away. And I
experienced that when that thing came out. Not only I
felt lighter, it was the shift that took place in
my dreams, a shift that took place in my mind,
A shift that took place in my spiritual walk. Now,
I'm not the only one that experienced that. Hundreds of
people experienced that. Millions of people throughout the history of
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Christian faith experienced stuff. We're not doing deliverance because I
got delivered. We're doing deliverance because Jesus delivers the captives.
We're doing deliveries because Jesus still says the captives free.
But I don't want to stand here today and pretend
and talk about something I read in the book, or
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because it's sensational, because it's somehow makes us feel powerful.
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My friend, this thing changes lives.
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I've seen my own wife when we got married, in
the first year and a half of our marriage, where
she was suffering with torments to tipate debilitating torments. At night,
she would wake up in screams, and there was this
generational curse that was on her life. And we prayed
every prayer that we prayed until somebody else actually ministered to.
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Her and that thing was broken and she would.
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Break the mental strongholds now in her mind, and her
life changed.
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So I want to share today.
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That when you see us talking about this stuff, this
is not because it's popular. This is not because it's sensational.
This is because, first of all, it's a ministry of Jesus,
and we do now want to domesticate dysfunction. We do
now want to tolerate what Jesus came to terminate. What
Jesus came to neutralize. Jesus Christ is still yesterday, today
and forever the same. So are demons. They still hurt people,
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they still harass people, and they still torment people. How
did this deliver? It is became normal in our church.
Number one, our pastor exposed us. You did really well
that you came here. Because you were exposed. Your first
reaction might be the same way as ours were. Why
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is he walking around with the crucifix and yelling? Your
first reaction is why is there twenty seven cameras here?
Why are they yelling at demons? Why you all of
these things? That's fine, but you're being exposed. The second
thing is things were explained to us. We were giving
books shameless plug. If you're exposed, you have a lot
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of questions. Take this and have things be explained, because
when you experience certain things and things are not explained,
the enemy can come and steal the word. And that's
one of the reasons I felt the Lord put on
my to share that and to bring some of the
biblical understanding of that, so that we're not just doing
stuff based on exposure.
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But there's some explanation.
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But the third thing that happened to us is there
were exemples.
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We always focus not.
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Only on manifestations, but on a testimony afterwards. We can
argue till we turn blue about how deliverance is supposed
to be done. But one thing you and I cannot
argue is the after effect. When the Holy Spirit sets
somebody free, when the medical report confirms the sickness is gone,
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when there is no more voices in their head, when
their lives are changed, when that spirit spouse is gone,
and that person now can have children and their affection
is back in their marriage. And that's why examples are powerful.
I always tell leaders and pastors it's not just about
people experiencing deliverance. The rest of the church needs to
hear what happened after and not only their exact simp
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not only that our exposure and explanation.
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This the last thing is changes.
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Everything is your own experience, your own experience of going
through the deliverance. Deliverance is not the only thing we do.
Deliverance is not only we do in our services and conferences.
We do it and retreats on small groups, and we
made it a part of who and how we do
our discipleship going forward as Christians in the United States.
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If you make it at taboo, you will rob Jesus
from the glory of manifesting his kingdom in the earth.
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Of the realm.
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If you keep making deliverance at taboo, you'll rob people
of God of the freedom Jesus died for them to
have more and more people coming to our churches, not
from fundamental Biblical conscsservative background, but from new age, from
witchcraft and sinner's prayer. Just receiving Jesus going through baptism
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classes doesn't solve many people's problems. And if the preaching
comes from the pulpit that shames people for having these problems,
that doesn't solve the problem. It just puts the demons
into hiding and people suffer silently. Our fear of manifestations,
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fear of what this will glorify demons. While we have
your stage and lights and smoke machines, we don't have
fear that this will glorify the worship team. We don't
have fear that a microphone and lights and the pastor
glorifies the pastor when we preach the gospel.
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All of these counter fears.
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What they do is they rob Jesus from the glory
that he deserves, and people from the freedom he paid
for them to have. Amen, the next few moments that
I have, I want you to stand to your feet
with me and open your bible to the Gospel of
Mark chapter one. If you have a physical Bible, which
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I would encourage you to bring to church with you
a physical bible, but since the iPhone or the android
is smaller and more can fit on, it is also
acceptable Gospel of Mark chapter one and verse twenty two.
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And they were astonished.
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At his teaching, for he taught them as the one
who graduated from Bible seminary, He understood Greek and Hebrew.
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Nope, for he.
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Taught them as the one having authority, not as the scribes.
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Verse twenty three.
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Now there was a certain man in their synagogue with
an unclean spirit, and he cried out, saying, let us alone, what.
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Have we to do with you, Jesus of Nazareth.
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Did you come to destroy us. I know who you are,
the Holy One of God, Verse twenty five. But Jesus
told the ushers get him out of this service.
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Oh no, that's not what the Maible says.
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But Jesus rebuked him, saying, be quiet and come out
of him. And when the unclean spirit had convolved him
and cried out with a loud voice, he came out
of him. They were all amazed. So they questioned among themselves, saying, what.
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Is this, What is this new doctrine?
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For with authority, he commands even unclean spirits, and they
obey him, and immediately his fame spread through out all
the region around Galilee. Holy Spirit, open our minds to
understand your word. Let your truth set us free.
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Lord. I know there's a lot.
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Of traditional cockroaches stuck in our brains.
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Let your word squash them. Amen, you may be seated.
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If you're taking notes, I want you to write down
just few simple thoughts.
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Number one, you can be in church and not be free.
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Church attendance does not equal freedom. A man was in
a synagogue, and the Bible says he had an unclean spirit,
the New Testament word for demon possession. As the King
James inaccurately translates is.
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The word for demonization.
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It means to be with an unclean spirit or to
have an unclean spirit, And in all of the times
it simply means a person who has an indwelling spirit
in them to various degrees.
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But I want you to notice.
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That the Bible says that a man was in the
synagogue who had an unclean spirit. Church attendance does not
equal freedom. Church membership is not a validation that you
are free. Two things happen sometimes in our churches.
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I say ours, not yours.
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There's lack of anointing that exposes the demonic. There's anointing
that teaches the believers, there's anointing that even p the prophesy.
But there is a measure of anointing that.
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Expose tho the demonic.
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Sometimes that anointing is not present because the ministers of God.
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Like myself, still have issues.
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In their own life. They're battling, so there's lack of
confidence to confront things they're living with.
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Jesus didn't cast out.
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Demons until he defeated them in the wilderness. When you're
defeated in the private by the very demons, your tail
goes in between your legs when you.
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Have to confront the demonic.
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It's not that the anointing cannot operate, is that there
is no confidence to confront something you're sleeping with. There
is no confidence to confront something you're cohabitating with.
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That's why I always pray for.
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Your pastors and your preachers to have a fresh encounter
with God and to walk with boldness, to walk with
God for this and to walk in purity, because just
because they're pastors, it does not.
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Mean they're superhuman.
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Some of you got offended with the fact that I
shared my testimony by being vulnerable, even as a preacher.
But today we're not offended when the pastor gets up,
and today it's a badge of honor for the pastor to.
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Say, I have a therapist, And.
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That is good for you to have a therapist.
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To have a counselor.
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But every once in a while, some of us need deliverance.
When there's lack of annointing, demons get domesticated instead of confronted.
Sometimes lack of that anointing comes simply from lack of revelation,
and sometimes the lack of that anointing comes from the
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fact that we lack confidence because privately we battle with
things that seeps at our confidence that God.
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Wants us to confront things the other time.
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Why demons don't show up, it's not because they're not there.
It's because people who have them got used to them
and they're not desperate to be free, because our culture
taught them that it's all mental and they need medicine
to treat their demons. We give demons medical terms, and
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for our demons in.
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Our culture, we have therapists.
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So when a person is not desperate for freedom, they
could sit with that demon for a very long time
until the time comes and they got sick and tired,
and they got desperate, and they come. They don't care
what anybody will think. They don't care what anybody will say,
they don't care what title they have in the church.
They say, I can't live like this anymore. I gotta
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be free. And I know some of you you feel
bad for people who are going through deliverance. Even in
our conference, you're like, man, that this person has fallen
there on the screen.
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Listen, listen.
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Many of these people are so desperate for God. What
you think of them is not under list. So many
people I remember when I went through my deliverance, what
would people think? That didn't matter because I'm tired of
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looking free and not being free and the private private life.
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When the private life is not backed up with the
public image, it cas on you.
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And after a while you get tired of being tired,
and you become desperate. And when the aspiration reaches the peak,
something pops.
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Like a popcorn.
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And so you get these people who come to the
synagogue like this man. I think he was tired of
living like he lived, and the annointing was there and
the unclean.
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Spirit was exposed.
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People who say, well, in our church's genius don't manifest, it's.
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Not because they're not there. Because I can.
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Guarantee you if Jesus Christ, the Son of God, would
have showed up, the same thing would have happened that
happened in the synagogue.
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Let's not even bring Jesus Christ.
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If we would do a very simple message on deliverance
and just highlight the signs that somebody might need freedom
and open a call for salvation and for ministry, you
would see a very different picture than what we see
every single week. People are silent and suffering, and when
the annoyting of the Holy Spirit is present by ministers
who are not perfect, but they're real.
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They're not professionals, but they're confident.
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The same power they raise Jesus from the dead lives
inside of us.
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The yoke is broken because of the anointing.
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I finished a Bible seminary, but the anointing is not seminary.
Anointing is the Holy Spirit in the name of Jesus.
The second thing I want you to highlight, and that
is this. The presence of Jesus made the demon cry out,
but it was his command.
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That cast it out.
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I want you to notice that Jesus showing up in
the synagogue caused the demon to cry out, but the
demon didn't.
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Leave when Jesus showed up.
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The two arguments that I've heard of people say that
Christians cannot have demons is one, when you're saved, demons
are gone. And the second argument is the Holy Spirit
and the demon cannot live in the same person. And
I have a whole chapter that I discussed that in
the book. I will not go into that tonight highlights
something I want you to notice. That Jesus shows up
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in a synagogue if the theory that is presented, though
there is not one verse in the Bible that explicitly
says if you accept Jesus in your heart, you immediately
experience deliverance from demons. But if that theory is correct,
why when Jesus showed up in the synagogue, demons were
not expelled until he cast them out.
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There is few ways that churches.
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Ministries do deliverance today. And this is not in any
way to point fingers at anybody. I'm just gonna show
you how some people view it. I call them models
of deliverance. The first one is the Gospel encounter, which
simply teaches all you need to do is accept Jesus
as your Lord and savior.
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All the demon problem is gone.
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But and I can go on for a very long time,
but I'm just gonna highlight one thing Jesus told his disciples,
go and push the gospel. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers,
raise the dead, and cast out demons. If the demon
problem is solved by preaching the gospel, why did Jesus say,
preach the gospel, heal.
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The sick, cast our demons.
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If you argue that by accepting Jesus in your heart,
you automatically get rid of demons. You might as well
go a step further and say, if you accept Jesus
in your heart, you also get automatically healed. But we
don't see that in the gospels. We see a specific
command to cast our demons, and it's not connected to
preaching the gospel.
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It's following the preaching of the gospel.
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The second way that people treat the demon problem in
churches today is therapy and counter we have a demon.
Here is a list of Christian therapists. Go and see
them and get some meds. That is sad, but that
is the way we treat the demonization in churches today.
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You just need to see a counselor. We believe in consuling.
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Holy Spirit is a counsular, Jesus is our counselor God wants.
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To give us wisdom.
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But please understand, a demon problem is not solved by therapy.
A demon problem is solved by deliverance. The third one
is a truth encounter, and this is very common with
charismatic and Pentecostal circles who are too afraid to admit
the Christians can have demons and simply would bundle in
a bit of a kind of generic, confusing term where like,
all you need to do is break agreement with lies.
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It's all in your pretty much, it says this, it's
all in your heads. You just gotta break down the strongholds.
I want you to notice, Jesus did not rebuke the stronghold.
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He rebuked a demon.
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Strongholds are real, they need to be brought down. But
demons are not strongholds. Demons are entities. They seek for
the body, and they need to be confronted and cast out.
Strongholds need to be confronted and cast down. You know
the truth, and the truth will set you free. But
the truth does not drive out a demon. The anointing
and commending the demon to leave is what drives out
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a demon when a person experiences deliverers.
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Many of us still need the renewing of the mind.
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But please understand, never substitute renewing of the mind in
the street. Jesus did in this synagogue. The Bible doesn't
say and Jesus tole the man who's convulsing and manifesting. Hey,
you just need to memorize the scripture. It's all in
your head, brother, break agreement with lies.
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You probably allowed some kind of a lie. The Bible
says he rebuked the spirit and commanded him out.
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Not a mindset, not an attitude, not a principle, not
a mental disposition, a spirit. If it's a demon problem,
it needs a deliverertive solution. The third option, the fourth option,
is the inner healing encounter, and this is very popular
in charismatic circles as well. We don't confront demons, We
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only heal trauma.
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Now, traumas need to be healed.
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And the way you saw, Pastor Eli explained that today
he has phenomenal teachings on that. We don't think everything
is a demon, but demons exploit trauma. Demons manipulate trauma,
Demons huge trauma. The wounds neglected become wounds infected.
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And they spread. But once the wound.
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Is disinfected, once the healing happens, what has to happen afterwards.
If the demon is attached to it, the demon must
be expelled.
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But to treat everything under one.
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Umbrella, to put the bend aid on a wound, thinking
that will cure the splinter, my friend, we're only causing
the damage to go deeper. The legal encounter, and this
is common with people who would say, don't cast demons
out simply how people repeat renouncing prayers and all of
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the problem will be gone.
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Renouncement is very important.
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I like how Pastor Rickard likes to say, just because
you remove and Netflix app from your phone, it doesn't
mean you canceled its subscription. Renouncing is you're canceling subscription,
but you then still have to remove.
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The app when you renounce.
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We believe in renouncing will lead people to renouncing. But
deliverance is not just renouncing. It is confronting and commanding
unclean spirits to leave. Deliverance is a powered encounter. It's
casting demons out. Look at how Jesus dealt with demons.
I'll show you quickly the verses Mark one twenty five.
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But Jesus rebuked him, saying be quiet and come out
of him, Mark eight sixteen. When the evening had come,
they brought to him many who were demon possessed, and
he cast out the spirits with the word you don't see,
hugging them out, consoling them out, medicating them out, bandaging
them out, telling them to just memorize few verses out,
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cast them out, and.
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Healed all who were sick. Do you see the difference.
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Between healing and deliverance Matthew nine thirty three. And when
the demon was cast out, the mute spoke Matthew ten one.
And when he had called his twelve disciples to him,
he gave them power over unclean spirit to what to
cast them out. And then you see difference. To heal
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all kinds of diseases and all kinds of diseases, Matthew
you ten eight, heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise
the dead, cast out demons Matthew twelve twenty eight. But
if I cast out demons by the spirit of God
Mark one thirty four, then he healed many who were
sick with various diseases.
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And cast out many demons. This is the gospel.
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This is what Jesus was doing Mark one thirty nine.
And he was preaching in their synagogues and throughout all
the Galilee. And man, why Jesus focused so much on demons, No,
he focused so much on people and their freedom Mark
three point fifteen. And to have power to heal diseases
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and to cast our demons Mark six thirteen. And they
cast out many demons and anointed with oil many who
were sick, and healed them Mark sixteen nine. And when
he rose early on the first day of the week,
he appeared first to marry Magdalen, out of whom he
had cast out seven demons Mark sixteen seventeen. And these
signs shall follow those who believe in my name. They
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will cast out demons. They will speak with new tongues.
Look thirteen thirty two. And he said to them, go
tell that fox before I cast out demons, and perform
cures today and tomorrow, and the third day I shall
be perfected. I want you to know this common word
cast out. Demons are dealt with biblically by being confronted
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and commanded out of a person, not off of a person.
The common charismatic Pentecostal soft way is we just break
off spiritual fear. What does that mean? Where he is
just kind of in the atmosphere, you break it off.
It doesn't hang like a chindelier. You don't break those
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things off in the air. Biblical deliverance is casting out
of a person, not off of a person. You may say,
but Saul, he had a spirit that was oppressing him,
and David played music.
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Saul never got delivered Jesus' model is better.
Speaker 3 (36:29):
David was David, but Jesus is the son of David,
and he gives us the perfect model.
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And his model is this.
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He would go everywhere, and he would preach the gospel.
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He will heal the sick.
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And you see this common thing do we somehow ignore,
is that he cast out many spirits, many demons, out
of people. Mary shows up to see Jesus after his resurrection,
out of whom he cast out seven spirits. I mean
there was one, two, three, four, five, six, seven somebody counted.
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And before when Jesus told the demon to be silent,
it was because he was ready to cast it out.
No further need was given to speak for a demon
as a witness to jesus authority. This is not a
universal rule against any speech or interaction with deliverance. Lad
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I believe in all this deliverance. Why do you give
a demon a microphone? Let me ask you just one question.
Why did God give demon a verse? A full verse?
Here is given to a demon? Verse twenty four. Now,
this Bible is holy spirit inspired. I opened it to
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read God's word, and I stumbled upon one verse.
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That's not God's word. It's a demon word.
Speaker 3 (37:58):
So I need to find scissors and cut the demon
words out because demons are liars. Why would God let
me read demonic words? This is themonic word. Let us alone.
That's not God's word, that's a demon word. Why did
God put that in the Bible? Why did Jesus listen
to it? Somebody recorded it or remembered it, and it
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was translated to us in many languages and in many
different things. And then Jesus, when the demon finished speaking,
said be quiet and come out of him. And people
will say, this is a formula. You don't speak to
demons one hundred percent. We don't have conversation with demons.
But there are seasons and there are moments where you
interrogate a demon.
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Do you have to do that for every deliverance?
Speaker 3 (38:41):
Absolutely not, But instead a biblical precedent where that is
not allowed. And somehow somebody who does that is violating
a biblical protocol.
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No, Jesus did it.
Speaker 3 (38:57):
Now you might not be comfortable, But just because you're
not comfortable, it doesn't mean it's not biblical. You might
not like it, that's okay. You might argue against it.
Is this I will never do it that's fine. But
the moment you step out of that and you begin
to say that is not biblical. When your Bible has
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verses dedicated to demon words, When your Bible has words
dedicated specifically to demons, my friend, and you cannot call
it not biblical.
Speaker 4 (39:33):
Some people will say, well.
Speaker 3 (39:34):
Jesus said for demons not to speak in verse thirty
four of chapter one. Then he healed many who were
sick with various diseases and cast out demons, and did
not allow the demons to speak because they knew him.
Speaker 4 (39:50):
Mark one for four and forty five.
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It says he strictly warned him, Now this is a
leproch who was killed, and sent him away at once,
and said to him, see that you say nothing to anyone.
Mark five eight and nine. It says he said to him,
come out of him, unclean spirit. And then he asked them,
what is your name? Jesus told demons to be quiet,
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while in other situations he'll let them.
Speaker 4 (40:14):
Speak, even ask them questions.
Speaker 3 (40:17):
He also told people to be quiet and not to
share their testimonies, and then in other places he told
them to share their testimony. If Jesus sometimes told people
to stay silent, who should we.
Speaker 4 (40:31):
To allow them testimonies.
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But we all know the context dictates what Jesus meant.
This is very basic, but I want to give you
biblical context of why during our deliverances, occasionally in the
amount of prayer that is being offered, you will see
a demon speaking out. In some places, a pastor would say,
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we don't allow that, and that's okay.
Speaker 4 (40:58):
Jesus allowed that. We're gonna cite more with Jesus.
Speaker 3 (41:04):
You may say, I don't allow any manifestations, and I
don't allow.
Speaker 4 (41:07):
Anything to speak. I bind all the manifestations.
Speaker 3 (41:10):
I find that interesting that Jesus didn't bind all the manifestations. Well,
it's gonna freak out people, and people gonna leave thinking
we gave demons attention. That was not the point when
Jesus let the demon speak. He wasn't giving demon attention. Sometimes,
under the power of the Holy Spirit, the demons are
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confronted and interrogated.
Speaker 4 (41:32):
We would ask a question, who are.
Speaker 3 (41:34):
You, how did you enter, what have you done to
this person, and then command that demon out. Like yesterday,
I was praying for one person who happens to be
a pastor, and the demon was obviously in control of
this person's faculties, and the demon.
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Says, you know, I don't want to leave. When I asked,
you know.
Speaker 3 (41:53):
How did you enter, the demon says, I've been there
for three generations and I entered through malestation.
Speaker 4 (42:00):
Okay, that's also my key.
Speaker 3 (42:02):
Next thing that happens is when that unclean spirit was
commanded commanded out, And that's the brother who is saying
right now, thank you, because after that he was set free,
and after that he was liberated. And you may say,
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how can somebody be a pastor?
Speaker 4 (42:25):
Have you heard pastors fall pastors of humans?
Speaker 3 (42:30):
And sometimes I'm battling with things that they will not
they cannot tell you, And it takes courage and humility
to be able to come and say, hey, I'm here
to receive.
Speaker 4 (42:40):
I'm here to receive from God.
Speaker 3 (42:42):
And if there is something that I'm battling with that
I got picked up because somebody violated me when I
was a child, and I cannot overcome that on my own.
Speaker 4 (42:49):
I want Jesus to get it out.
Speaker 3 (42:51):
And we can debate about the methods and all of
this stuff, but I want to submit to you. When
Jesus told that unclean spirit to be quiet, it's because hey,
this thing is over.
Speaker 4 (43:00):
We're ready to get it out.
Speaker 3 (43:01):
We don't have conversations with demons. We didn't take them
on bunny trails or anything.
Speaker 4 (43:05):
Ask them all kinds of weird questions.
Speaker 3 (43:07):
We are there to set the person free, but sometimes
it's necessary to extract the necessary information to begin to
bring that freedom to that person in a more effective way.
Speaker 4 (43:18):
Can somebody say, amen? Number five?
Speaker 3 (43:22):
The focus of Jesus is the freedom of the person,
not the comfort of the crowd. Jesus allowed the demon
not only to speak, he allowed the demon to cry out.
Speaker 4 (43:35):
And I want you to notice.
Speaker 3 (43:36):
What happened in Jesus' ministry because what you see today,
and I remember the first time I saw it, it
was very uncomfortable because I've never seen anything like that.
The most I've seen in the church is when somebody
interrupts a sermon, not like this where we had today
with somebody manifested, but somebody would interrupt a sermon and
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speak out loud in tongues, and somebody else would get
up on the other aisle and interrupt that person and
interpid the tongues. But I never grew up seeing a
manifestation or a deliverance and so when you see something
like that, you say, well, this is not right, that
this doesn't belong in the church. The church supposed to
have an order, The church supposed to be a place
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where unbelievers are not offended. What about the children? But
what about the other people? I want you to see
what happened in Jesus' ministry Mark one, twenty six when
the unclean spirit had convulsed him and cried out with
a loud voice, Acts eight seven, And cried out with
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a loud voice, and came out of many who were possessed,
Mark nine to twenty six.
Speaker 4 (44:47):
Then the spirit cried out.
Speaker 3 (44:49):
Convulsed him greatly, and came out of him Matthew Ate
twenty nine. And suddenly they cried out, saying, what have
we to do with you? G Yes, is the son
of God?
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Have you come out here to torment us before time?
Mark five twelve.
Speaker 3 (45:05):
And all demons begged him, saying, send us to the swine,
that we might enter him.
Speaker 4 (45:11):
Look four thirty five.
Speaker 3 (45:12):
And the demon threw him down in their midst and
came out of him and didn't hurt him. Look four
thirty four and thirty three and thirty four, And he
was teaching, and a man in a synagogue cried out
with a loud voice.
Speaker 4 (45:25):
Acts eight seven.
Speaker 3 (45:26):
Uncle's spirits crying with a loud voice came out of
many that were possessed. I am not saying your church
alter call should run like ours. What I'm saying is
the idea that it will offend the unbelievers. Somehow, Jesus
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wasn't driven by that, and may I submit to you,
most of unbelievers will never forget that service for the
rest of their life. Jesus was not concerned with the
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comfort of the crowd.
Speaker 4 (46:16):
He was concerned with the freedom of the individual.
Speaker 3 (46:21):
If you are a person and pleasing people is your
number one thing, I would ask you not only not
to do deliverance, don't get engaged with anything that's spiritual,
gifts of the Holy Spirit. Stay away from that because
somebody will get offended. You might as well not even
do ministry, because there are people who will not understand
you sell ice cream. They like those who sell ice cream.
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If you want to do ministry, you want to be
used by the Holy Spirit. You want to do what
Jesus did. Pleasing the crowd cannot be your number one thing.
You live for fulfilling the commission of Jesus. Loving people,
bringing freedom to people is more important than the pleasing
of the crowd.
Speaker 4 (47:11):
Amen. And lastly, the church needs a.
Speaker 3 (47:16):
Fresh awe of Jesus's authority, not a taste of entertainment.
When Jesus delivered that man, the scripture says, they were
in awe not of the production, but of the power
of God. They were in awe that Jesus has the authority, not.
Speaker 4 (47:38):
That demons were violent.
Speaker 3 (47:41):
When people see deliverance and it is genuine move of
the Holy Spirit, people leave with the fear of God,
not the.
Speaker 4 (47:49):
Fear of demons.
Speaker 3 (47:51):
People leave with the fresh revelation that Jesus is real,
the Kingdom of God is real, Satan is real, Sin
is real, Holy Spirit is real.
Speaker 4 (48:01):
And I think what we have today is we have lights.
Speaker 3 (48:03):
And I love that we have marketing strategy, and I
love that we have a nonprofit status. And I love
that we have subscribers and we have followers. We have influencers,
and we have coffee shops, and we have lights, and
we have acoustics, we have microphones, and we have smoke machines.
We have all these programs. We have all of these things.
And they have their place. But I wonder how much
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of those things have become a crutch for us where
people are not in awe with who Jesus is. They're
in awe with our production. That costs millions of dollars.
But the price we pay to bring people back to
the awe of Jesus is to allow his kingdom to
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manifest without restrictions. It is not to put our boundaries
around it and say, no, we're not comfortable with this,
We're not comfortable with this. No, we're comfortable with what
Jesus is comfortable with, and that is to set the
captives for and to bring the power of God to
our generation. But pastor new people will be offended. Did
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you see what the new people dressed.
Speaker 4 (49:10):
Up like yesterday night?
Speaker 3 (49:13):
Do you see what new people watch under TV shows?
Do you see what new people absorb in our generation?
The generation we live today is hungry for the supernatural,
but they can spot the fake right away.
Speaker 4 (49:27):
They can spot the show right away.
Speaker 3 (49:29):
And what I'm saying is this, The good is of
the Gospel is the raw manifestation of the Kingdom of God.
Don't hide that from your generation. Don't present them as
sanitized domesticated Jesus. That cannot heal, they cannot deliver, and
they cannot change. Jesus Christ is worthy of our awe.
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His authority is real, his power is real. Does every
church need to do deliver this is like absolutely not.
We walk in the revelation that was given to us
and we grow every year. But one thing that we
have a little bit more on the side of crazy
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than most is we struggle with this disorder called fearlessness
and not afraid to be awkwards sometimes. Amen, It's not
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a disorder.
Speaker 4 (50:34):
I'm joking.
Speaker 3 (50:37):
It's just a proclivity to be bold. And I can
tell you that many of you are gathered for that reason.
As you say, Hey, I am tired of people who
are calculated, balanced and balanced in a negative way. I
want something that's real, wants something that's raw. Amen, so hungry.
Jan's vision is to lead people to encounter God daily.
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Deliverance is not who we are. Deliverance is part of
our discipleship process.
Speaker 4 (51:04):
You're here today. Jesus loves you so much.
Speaker 3 (51:06):
He wants to set you free, and we are here
to be those instruments to pray for you, minister to
you and the Holy Spirit is going to do the rest.
May this be the conference where you get exposed to
the reality of the Kingdom of God. May you read
the material so you can hear things explained when you
hear the testimonies and be convinced this is real. We
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don't have a hidden agenda here. There's no popular speakers
that you see online anywhere. None of us get paid
on the arum, and most of us stayed in the
hotels and came here at our own expense without any reimbursements.
To keep the cost of this conference low. We don't
charge you for the conference, and we don't make it
super difficult. Why because our desire here is to bring freedom,
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and the first few letters of the word freedom is free.
Speaker 4 (51:55):
Freely. You received freely you give hey Man.
Speaker 2 (52:02):
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