August 12, 2025 • 9 mins
Bestselling author and Breitbart News editor-in-chief Alex Marlow joins us to discuss his latest book, Breaking the Law. In this in-depth conversation, Marlow explains his research into high-profile legal cases, the concept of “lawfare,” and how he believes political and legal systems intersect in today’s America. We explore historical context, recent events, and potential reforms — all with a focus on understanding where the country’s legal landscape might be headed.
ABOUT BREAKING THE LAW
Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News and two-time New York Times bestselling author of Breaking the News and Breaking Biden, returns with his third book: BREAKING THE LAW: EXPOSING THE WEAPONIZATION OF AMERICA'S LEGAL SYSTEM AGAINST DONALD TRUMP (Threshold Editions; Hardcover; On-sale August 5, 2025), a fearless and thoroughly researched exposé on the new political battleground: the American legal system. In this urgent and gripping book, Marlow turns his sharp investigative lens to the legal cases targeting President Donald Trump-and what they mean for the future of the conservative movement and the rule of law in America. BREAKING THE LAW reveals how legal institutions are being repurposed as political weapons. Marlow not only exposes the players and tactics behind this unprecedented campaign but also makes bold predictions about where this trend is heading-and what conservatives must do to fight back. Hailed "a must read" by President Trump, Marlow's book is both timely and timeless. It's the first major retrospective on the 2024 election and how the legal war on Trump influenced voters, media narratives, and the conservative base. This is Alex Marlow at his most uncompromising and clear-eyed. With the same meticulous reporting and narrative drive that defined his previous works, BREAKING THE LAW offers a provocative and authoritative response to one of the most consequential legal and political stories of our time.
ABOUT ALEX MARLOW
Alexander Marlow is the New York Times bestselling author of BREAKING THE NEWS and BREAKING BIDEN. He serves as editor in chief of Breitbart News Network, where he started as Andrew Breitbart's first employee at the age of twenty-one. He is also a national talk radio host and podcaster. Alex has been on the cover of Time and Newsweek, named in Forbes's 30 Under 30, and called "perhaps the most significant media figure in America."
Get the book:
https://a.co/d/1G5ohEP
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ABOUT BREAKING THE LAW
Alex Marlow, editor-in-chief of Breitbart News and two-time New York Times bestselling author of Breaking the News and Breaking Biden, returns with his third book: BREAKING THE LAW: EXPOSING THE WEAPONIZATION OF AMERICA'S LEGAL SYSTEM AGAINST DONALD TRUMP (Threshold Editions; Hardcover; On-sale August 5, 2025), a fearless and thoroughly researched exposé on the new political battleground: the American legal system. In this urgent and gripping book, Marlow turns his sharp investigative lens to the legal cases targeting President Donald Trump-and what they mean for the future of the conservative movement and the rule of law in America. BREAKING THE LAW reveals how legal institutions are being repurposed as political weapons. Marlow not only exposes the players and tactics behind this unprecedented campaign but also makes bold predictions about where this trend is heading-and what conservatives must do to fight back. Hailed "a must read" by President Trump, Marlow's book is both timely and timeless. It's the first major retrospective on the 2024 election and how the legal war on Trump influenced voters, media narratives, and the conservative base. This is Alex Marlow at his most uncompromising and clear-eyed. With the same meticulous reporting and narrative drive that defined his previous works, BREAKING THE LAW offers a provocative and authoritative response to one of the most consequential legal and political stories of our time.
ABOUT ALEX MARLOW
Alexander Marlow is the New York Times bestselling author of BREAKING THE NEWS and BREAKING BIDEN. He serves as editor in chief of Breitbart News Network, where he started as Andrew Breitbart's first employee at the age of twenty-one. He is also a national talk radio host and podcaster. Alex has been on the cover of Time and Newsweek, named in Forbes's 30 Under 30, and called "perhaps the most significant media figure in America."
Get the book:
https://a.co/d/1G5ohEP
Become a supporter of this podcast: https://www.spreaker.com/podcast/i-am-refocused-radio--2671113/support.
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are listening to I Am Refocused Radio with your
host Shamaiah Reid. This show is designed to inspire you
to live your purpose and regain your focus. And now
here's your host, Shamaiah Reid.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I'm telling me focus ready once again, we are
here today and we have another amazing show learning for y'all.
We have a true guest. We have the one that
only Alex Marlow. He is the editor in chief of
Bright Barton News, author of Breaking the Law. He has
a super amazing long restume that I can't get into
right now, but just google. This guy is big. He's
(00:37):
on his game first and foremost. I just want to say,
good morning. How you doing today, man.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Shamaia, nice to be all with you. Thanks for having
me on your program. Yes, sir, let's get right into it. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So Breaking the Law, tell us what inspired you to
write this book, because there's a lot of good stuff
in there.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I was going through some of the law fare against
Donald Trump, these six major cases that were happening to
him during the middle of an election cycle, and we
were talking about it was in the news. But I
think people are being too casual about it. We've never
seen anything like this. We're a sitting United States president
where the opposition administration was clearly coordinating using the legal
(01:15):
system to try to beat him politically. We've never seen
this before. And Trump was not only somehow and during this,
but he was dominating in the polls at the time,
and they were throwing everything they could at him, and
he was standing strong throughout all of it. I couldn't
believe what was happening, But I don't think people were
really investigating the extent to which there was coordination from
the Joe Biden Winehouse with the rest of the legal
(01:38):
apparatus in order to try to win an election in
the courtroom instead of at the polling place. And that's
where I started, and I ended up going back and
look at the history of law fair judicial activism and
where it's at present. And so you see some of
these things where you see these injunctions, these temporary restraining
orders that take place that end up limiting some of
(02:00):
the agenda while it's taking place, while it's playing out,
and you realize that the most powerful weapon the left
has at this moment is the legal system. And so
it's a warning that we need to get in front
of this we need to be able to fight back
against it. We need a citizen read that's staying engaged
and staying vigilant here.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And speaking of the legal system, what can you kind
of highlight on Project sixty five for those who they
had never heard of that was that world effect.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, thank you for bringing this up. This is one
of the things that I just learned about while I
was researching the book. When I was doing my investigation.
Project sixty five was started by a guy named David Brock.
David Brock founded Media Matters. Anyone who's been online a
lot in conservative circles over the last twenty years familiar
with Media Matters. It's a George Soros funded organization that
it basically would police conservative media and conservative politicians to
(02:51):
try to get them canceled, to try to get them
the platform, try to get them make them lose their
advertisers if they're in media and soda. Brock moved on
and he started something called Project sixty five, which is
essentially applying the same principles but in the legal world.
So basically, just by nature of being a conservative juris
a conservative lawyer, then if you represent someone with a
(03:14):
conservative cause, then he wants you disbarred, and he's already
had a big success. This sky John Eastman, who helped
Donald Trump during the twenty twenty election and was a
dean or at least a professor at Chapman University in
California and was in good standing in the legal apparatus.
He got disbarred and a part of us because of
this Project sixty five organization is trying to make it
(03:37):
so that conservatives can't get good legal representation.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, think about corporate media versus alternative media. What
do you believe is the difference.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I think that with corporate media, what ends up
happening is that people lose sight of freedom because they're
more serious about They're more concerned about their business endeavors
and less about truth. And this is why I'm a
part of alternative media. And you got to be very
cautious about this. I wrote my first book, Breaking the
News about this exact subject that I realize that people
(04:09):
talk about the media being liberal or that's not really it.
The media's corporate test. What the media tries to do,
they try to hold the party line for major conglomerates
that are invested in it, and that means that they
don't investigate certain things that the corporation might not want
them to, and they end up being a controlled environment.
But a lot of the best reporting, a lot of
the best commentary is in environments where you're not as controlled,
(04:30):
where you're more free to say what you want to
say and report what you want to report. So I'm
a huge advocate for alternative media, and I think alternative
media has found its moment right now.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You think about the impact of how news is being broadcasts,
and it's forever changing. I mean, you're also part of SNC.
What you think is the future as far as how
people start assuming the news.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, So what's happening now, which is really fascinating is
when I was growing up in the news, which isn't
that long ago. I'm still in my thirties, but it
was people may tried to make this distinction between news
commentary and just straight news, which wasn't really there, but
people acted like you could do that. Now people have
totally abandoned that they want their news with their opinion.
(05:17):
They want their favorite commentator to present the news to
them and give their take simultaneously, which is really interesting.
I'm not judging it as a positive or a negative.
But if you see a lot of the rising news
brands right now, they're not corporations, they're not magazines, they're
not company brands. They're individual brands where people are learning
(05:37):
to trust the individual. And for me, I think I'm
okay with that. I grew up on talk radio. That
was kind of my entree into the media, and then
I liked a lot of alternative online websites and that's
where I've always worked. So I'm pretty comfortable with this.
But it's a huge development. People used to wait for
the Wall Street Journal or for ABC or for CBS
or whatever to report something before they believed it. It's
(05:58):
not the case anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Been talking to Alas Marlowe and his book Breaking the Law.
You having so much success at a young age. I mean,
like I said, you can just google you. I won't
waste minutes and going through the resume. But what do
you believe is the core reason why people like yourself
are able to not just rise in media but also
(06:21):
be a powerful voice.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It's really kind of you to say that. So for
just grinding is number one, But you got to find
something you're passionate about because it's such a competitive country.
When you're trying to succeed in a business like media
business or there's a number of businesses that are like
that that you want to go, you got to put
in those hours, so you want to find a niche
where you're very comfortable working long hours. I also really
(06:45):
sought out great mentors. I was lucky to work with
some of the best people ever to be in the
news business, and just whatever career you're in, you had
to find that. Find your passion. Then find the people
who are the best at the thing you're passionate about.
Latch onto them, pick up their laundry, pick up their groceries.
You have no idea how much you're going to learn.
You're going to learn way more from those people just
being in the room with them. Then you will go
(07:06):
into school and getting some sort of a degree. I
gotta agree too, I got a great degree, but it's
not as useful as finding those mentorships and just grinding
and then believe in yourself a lot of stuff. You know,
The hardest thing I do is write books, And the
thing I'm most proud of in the end is when
I write books. So it's just one of those things
where it's just because it's a challenge fine mountains that
you want to climb, and then climb them, and it's
(07:26):
pretty simple formula, but it's worked for me, and I've
been very lucky.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's a good question for you. Is a lot of
younger people interested in the conservative world. What do you
believe that this book can help them open their eyes
and be open minded as far as was really out there,
as far as facts.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Thank you. Two things there that I like. First of all,
the left is always adjusting their tactics. They're always finding
new frontiers to try to push their politics. It used
to be through the entertainment world and through the establishment
media that was what was the most powerful for them.
We've neutralized those a lot with alternative media and with
we just make fun of Hollywood now, and the movies
(08:03):
got woke and people stopped going to them. But now
they opened up new fronts the corporate boardrooms. They tried
to take those over and we're starting to push back,
but they will cofide the corporations. That was a big
deal in the law fair. So I'm just trying to
look down the field to see what tactics they're using.
That's really big. But this is a fun one, is
that we're beginning investigation season. We've got two launched, Kiss
(08:25):
James and Jack Smith. There's gonna be a half a
dozen more. If you're rebreaking the law, you're gonna be
all ready to go to understand what's happening and why
when the new investigations get launched, and it's going to
make it more fun for you to watch the winning
take place.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Alex Marlow, New York Times bestselling author, talking about this
book breaking the Law like always once said, thank you
for every
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Time that Samaiah, nice to meet you, and thank you
for having me on
You are listening to I Am Refocused Radio with your
host Shamaiah Reid. This show is designed to inspire you
to live your purpose and regain your focus. And now
here's your host, Shamaiah Reid.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
Well, I'm telling me focus ready once again, we are
here today and we have another amazing show learning for y'all.
We have a true guest. We have the one that
only Alex Marlow. He is the editor in chief of
Bright Barton News, author of Breaking the Law. He has
a super amazing long restume that I can't get into
right now, but just google. This guy is big. He's
(00:37):
on his game first and foremost. I just want to say,
good morning. How you doing today, man.
Speaker 3 (00:42):
Shamaia, nice to be all with you. Thanks for having
me on your program. Yes, sir, let's get right into it. Man.
Speaker 2 (00:46):
So Breaking the Law, tell us what inspired you to
write this book, because there's a lot of good stuff
in there.
Speaker 1 (00:53):
Yeah.
Speaker 3 (00:53):
I was going through some of the law fare against
Donald Trump, these six major cases that were happening to
him during the middle of an election cycle, and we
were talking about it was in the news. But I
think people are being too casual about it. We've never
seen anything like this. We're a sitting United States president
where the opposition administration was clearly coordinating using the legal
(01:15):
system to try to beat him politically. We've never seen
this before. And Trump was not only somehow and during this,
but he was dominating in the polls at the time,
and they were throwing everything they could at him, and
he was standing strong throughout all of it. I couldn't
believe what was happening, But I don't think people were
really investigating the extent to which there was coordination from
the Joe Biden Winehouse with the rest of the legal
(01:38):
apparatus in order to try to win an election in
the courtroom instead of at the polling place. And that's
where I started, and I ended up going back and
look at the history of law fair judicial activism and
where it's at present. And so you see some of
these things where you see these injunctions, these temporary restraining
orders that take place that end up limiting some of
(02:00):
the agenda while it's taking place, while it's playing out,
and you realize that the most powerful weapon the left
has at this moment is the legal system. And so
it's a warning that we need to get in front
of this we need to be able to fight back
against it. We need a citizen read that's staying engaged
and staying vigilant here.
Speaker 2 (02:18):
And speaking of the legal system, what can you kind
of highlight on Project sixty five for those who they
had never heard of that was that world effect.
Speaker 3 (02:27):
Yeah, thank you for bringing this up. This is one
of the things that I just learned about while I
was researching the book. When I was doing my investigation.
Project sixty five was started by a guy named David Brock.
David Brock founded Media Matters. Anyone who's been online a
lot in conservative circles over the last twenty years familiar
with Media Matters. It's a George Soros funded organization that
it basically would police conservative media and conservative politicians to
(02:51):
try to get them canceled, to try to get them
the platform, try to get them make them lose their
advertisers if they're in media and soda. Brock moved on
and he started something called Project sixty five, which is
essentially applying the same principles but in the legal world.
So basically, just by nature of being a conservative juris
a conservative lawyer, then if you represent someone with a
(03:14):
conservative cause, then he wants you disbarred, and he's already
had a big success. This sky John Eastman, who helped
Donald Trump during the twenty twenty election and was a
dean or at least a professor at Chapman University in
California and was in good standing in the legal apparatus.
He got disbarred and a part of us because of
this Project sixty five organization is trying to make it
(03:37):
so that conservatives can't get good legal representation.
Speaker 2 (03:40):
I mean, think about corporate media versus alternative media. What
do you believe is the difference.
Speaker 3 (03:48):
So I think that with corporate media, what ends up
happening is that people lose sight of freedom because they're
more serious about They're more concerned about their business endeavors
and less about truth. And this is why I'm a
part of alternative media. And you got to be very
cautious about this. I wrote my first book, Breaking the
News about this exact subject that I realize that people
(04:09):
talk about the media being liberal or that's not really it.
The media's corporate test. What the media tries to do,
they try to hold the party line for major conglomerates
that are invested in it, and that means that they
don't investigate certain things that the corporation might not want
them to, and they end up being a controlled environment.
But a lot of the best reporting, a lot of
the best commentary is in environments where you're not as controlled,
(04:30):
where you're more free to say what you want to
say and report what you want to report. So I'm
a huge advocate for alternative media, and I think alternative
media has found its moment right now.
Speaker 2 (04:40):
You think about the impact of how news is being broadcasts,
and it's forever changing. I mean, you're also part of SNC.
What you think is the future as far as how
people start assuming the news.
Speaker 3 (04:55):
Yeah, So what's happening now, which is really fascinating is
when I was growing up in the news, which isn't
that long ago. I'm still in my thirties, but it
was people may tried to make this distinction between news
commentary and just straight news, which wasn't really there, but
people acted like you could do that. Now people have
totally abandoned that they want their news with their opinion.
(05:17):
They want their favorite commentator to present the news to
them and give their take simultaneously, which is really interesting.
I'm not judging it as a positive or a negative.
But if you see a lot of the rising news
brands right now, they're not corporations, they're not magazines, they're
not company brands. They're individual brands where people are learning
(05:37):
to trust the individual. And for me, I think I'm
okay with that. I grew up on talk radio. That
was kind of my entree into the media, and then
I liked a lot of alternative online websites and that's
where I've always worked. So I'm pretty comfortable with this.
But it's a huge development. People used to wait for
the Wall Street Journal or for ABC or for CBS
or whatever to report something before they believed it. It's
(05:58):
not the case anymore.
Speaker 2 (06:00):
Been talking to Alas Marlowe and his book Breaking the Law.
You having so much success at a young age. I mean,
like I said, you can just google you. I won't
waste minutes and going through the resume. But what do
you believe is the core reason why people like yourself
are able to not just rise in media but also
(06:21):
be a powerful voice.
Speaker 3 (06:24):
It's really kind of you to say that. So for
just grinding is number one, But you got to find
something you're passionate about because it's such a competitive country.
When you're trying to succeed in a business like media
business or there's a number of businesses that are like
that that you want to go, you got to put
in those hours, so you want to find a niche
where you're very comfortable working long hours. I also really
(06:45):
sought out great mentors. I was lucky to work with
some of the best people ever to be in the
news business, and just whatever career you're in, you had
to find that. Find your passion. Then find the people
who are the best at the thing you're passionate about.
Latch onto them, pick up their laundry, pick up their groceries.
You have no idea how much you're going to learn.
You're going to learn way more from those people just
being in the room with them. Then you will go
(07:06):
into school and getting some sort of a degree. I
gotta agree too, I got a great degree, but it's
not as useful as finding those mentorships and just grinding
and then believe in yourself a lot of stuff. You know,
The hardest thing I do is write books, And the
thing I'm most proud of in the end is when
I write books. So it's just one of those things
where it's just because it's a challenge fine mountains that
you want to climb, and then climb them, and it's
(07:26):
pretty simple formula, but it's worked for me, and I've
been very lucky.
Speaker 2 (07:29):
That's a good question for you. Is a lot of
younger people interested in the conservative world. What do you
believe that this book can help them open their eyes
and be open minded as far as was really out there,
as far as facts.
Speaker 3 (07:43):
Thank you. Two things there that I like. First of all,
the left is always adjusting their tactics. They're always finding
new frontiers to try to push their politics. It used
to be through the entertainment world and through the establishment
media that was what was the most powerful for them.
We've neutralized those a lot with alternative media and with
we just make fun of Hollywood now, and the movies
(08:03):
got woke and people stopped going to them. But now
they opened up new fronts the corporate boardrooms. They tried
to take those over and we're starting to push back,
but they will cofide the corporations. That was a big
deal in the law fair. So I'm just trying to
look down the field to see what tactics they're using.
That's really big. But this is a fun one, is
that we're beginning investigation season. We've got two launched, Kiss
(08:25):
James and Jack Smith. There's gonna be a half a
dozen more. If you're rebreaking the law, you're gonna be
all ready to go to understand what's happening and why
when the new investigations get launched, and it's going to
make it more fun for you to watch the winning
take place.
Speaker 2 (08:37):
Alex Marlow, New York Times bestselling author, talking about this
book breaking the Law like always once said, thank you
for every
Speaker 3 (08:43):
Time that Samaiah, nice to meet you, and thank you
for having me on
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