August 8, 2025 • 36 mins
What if the patterns you’ve been stuck in for years could be dissolved—in minutes? In this transformative episode, author and founder of Cognomovement, Bill McKenna, shares how a near-death skydiving accident led to his own awakening and the creation of a revolutionary mind-body system that helps people rewire their nervous systems, release trauma, and break free from self-limiting cycles. Bill explains what’s really happening in the brain when we’re trapped in anxiety, looping thoughts, or old emotional wounds—and how eye position, physical movement, and sensory input can create rapid, lasting change. You’ll learn why “suffering can be optional,” the science behind energetic releases, and a simple technique you can try right now to calm your mind or stop a craving. What You’ll Learn in This Episode:
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- The hidden link between the nervous system, trauma, and behavior patterns
- How movement and sensory shifts create neuroplasticity
- Why talk therapy alone often isn’t enough to create lasting change
- A real-time exercise to reset your emotional state
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Speaker 1 (00:03):
You are listening to I Am Refocused Radio with your
host Shamaiah Read. This show is designed to inspire you
to live your purpose and regain your focus. And now
here's your host, Shamaiah read what you're.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
About to ally First, Ready, once again, we are here
today and today, just like any other time, we have
another amazing show for you Today, today we have our
special guest. His name is Bill McKenna. He's the author
of the Only Lesson, the founder of the Cogital movement,
and he is so unworth being on the show today.
He has a ton of experience, a lot of amazing
stories that include near death skydiving experience that we're going
(00:40):
to have to learn about that. But yet he's also
about a spiritual awakening in decades long journey into neuroscience,
energy and transformation. We're going to learn everything, not just
about his amazing career, but the amazing resources he has.
He has an amazing gift that we're going to be
sharing of our audience a little bit later into the show.
But before we do all that, I want to pause
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here and say to Bill, thank you for being on
the show today.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
How you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh, I'm great, I'm so grateful to be here with
you and to be able to share all of this
information with your listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I love stories, so I tease the sky diving incident
that you experienced. I want to start to show off
with that story. Take us back and tell us a
little bit about this Skuyding accident that led to the
work are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So my skydiving accident, I had been skydiving. I had
over seventy skydives at the particular time of the accident,
and it was it was actually the particular day. It
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was a few days past my twenty eighth birthday. And
for some reason, all my life, I thought I'm going
to be dead at twenty eight and I always I
don't know why I thought that, but I always thought
I'm going to be dead at twenty eight and I
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lived appropriately. So that day I was on the way
to the airport and it flashed in my mind. I
was only maybe a mile or two away, and I
was like, I wonder if today's the day. And you know, anyway,
I had a brand new parachute at that time.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I just got it.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And it was at that time, this is back, this
is back at the eighties, and it was a ram
air you know, square and very very high performance for
that point in time. And this is relevant later on
in the story as what happens. I was skydiving alone,
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as I usually would do, and there, you know, the
plane takes off and takes us up to twelve thousand
feets and it was it was kind of a limony
snickets type of situation. You know, every everything perfectly aligned
for everything to go wrong. We were in a fast
plane that day, and that meant you know that if
you don't hit your target when you jump out at
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the right time, you're going to be pretty far away
from the airport. And there was a bunch of guys
before me, and you know, they were in the door
ready to go, and they're like one, two, three, and
then they're like no, no, no, no, no, you know,
let's regroup, and then one two and then again oh
no no no, we got to adjust our belter at something.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And I was like, get out, get out, out, out, and.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
They were like still dilly dallion in the door. Finally
they go out, and you're supposed to wait, you know,
in between when the other guys jumping, Oh, I was
out the door right after him, and I'm I'm I
put myself immediately into that delta. They call it a
delta where you're tracking across the sky. Your hands are
down by your side, your heads your heads forward, and
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it allows you to track across the surface of the earth.
You know, you can make progress like a wing across
the across the surface of the earth. So I'm just
there trying to get back to the airport and it
just wasn't working out. I had about five thousand feet
I popped my parachute, which is way higher than you know,
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the couple thousand feet usually, and I just you know,
trying to get back because you know, I could make
more progress I get down, I'm still a couple miles
from the airport, and my I see there's like a
bob wire fence like cowpasture about bob war fence. And
my calculation was if I if I did a turn,
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a quick turn, then what would happen is I'd end
up on the good side of the fence and not
you know, tear my parachute, tear my pants. You know,
I'd be climbing over a bob wire fence. Nobody's with me,
nobody knows. But anyway, as it turns out I can't.
I did this turn, and I lost so much altitude
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because it was it was so incredibly fast. Literally, the
parachute is below you. You're above it when when you're
flipping one of these turns. And I wasn't used to
it anyway, I came out of it. I'm coming out
of it and I'm like, oh my god, I'm too
low and I pulled the you know, to flare parachute collapsed.
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I basically fell about seven hundred feet and broke my spine,
broke my chest, broke my face, broke exploded my femur,
which is you know, the top part of your leg,
and it's spun and nothing left, and uh, I ended
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up on the ground and I was basically I don't
know how long I was out, but I was there,
and eventually somebody found me. Spent uh spent about a
month in intensive care and getting a lot of surgery,
putting a lot of metal, putting me back together, a
lot of metal. And uh, anyway, that was that was
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one of the of the major kind of injuries that
I had suffered, you know, during my existence, and uh,
there were others, you know, broke my neck, bicycling and
you know, had a few beers and snap, you know,
a lot of stupid moves, you know, youthful indiscretions.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Man, that's like a little movie trailer right there when
you think about trauma, because that's I can only imagine
the emotional tone that you had to go through just
getting better. What was it like for you just thinking
back the process of you realized, Okay, there's gonna be
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a long road to recovery. How did you process that?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I didn't really. The truth is I never I had
broken lots and lots of bones before, you know, I
had spent my entire life, you know, from six years
old in martial arts, every type of martial arts, judo,
jiu jitsu, taekwondocas, oh, you know, everything I could do.
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You know, that was my life. So you know I
banged it up a lot of times and broke a
lot of bones and you know, different things got knocked
out whatever. But I had never been hurt like this,
and I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
But it took me about seven eight years to get better.
I just didn't feel good for like about seven eight years.
You know, they say, it's like having cancer, you know,
that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
From your perspective, what you believe really happens to the
brain and nervousness. So when people are looping trauma, because
I can imagine things that might figure those instances and
how that can kind of really mess with you, just
kind of get better and kind of have us in
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my normal life.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
The thing with trauma is that you know, trauma can
be emotional or it can be physical. And the amazing
thing here is that you know, there's a there's a
place called the Amen Clinics. Doctor Daniel Ayman, I don't
know if you've heard of him before. He was a
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He was a radiologist turned psychiatrists, and basically they radiologists.
Do you know scans of the body? You know, radiology, radio, radiologically,
you know of all kinds. And so when he became
a psychologist, he started scanning the brains. He said, we're
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the only profession that doesn't look at the organ that
they're treating. He discovered that an emotional injury and a
physical injury look the same on a scan. It's unbelievable
that it's it's quite physical. But the looping, what you
you'd asked about when you have traumas and looping. Well,
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there's there's a reason why we loop, and it has
everything to do with our eyeballs. And you're like, what
does the eyeballs have to do with looping? Well, it's
actually pretty simple. Everywhere you look is a different part
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of your brain. The easiest way that everybody can really
relate to this is if I came on your show
and I was looking like this, my eyes straight down.
You know, my head's forward, but my eyes are down.
Maybe my head's a little bit down. What might you
think about what I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Something, something's going on.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Something's going on, and it ain't good, you know, maybe
maybe down, maybe depressed, disconnected a bit. Well, it turns
out literally everybody knows this. You know, even a child
knows that. You know that that person, you can see
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it on their face. They're looking down, and they're looking
down literally turn turns off the chemicals in the brain,
like oxytocin. Oxytocin is the connection of the connection chemical.
When you feel good and you look somebody in the eye.
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It also turns off serotonin, another chemical which is going
to make you feel good. So there's all of these.
It's like electrical meaning nervous system and chemical. So when
we look down, not only if I feel sad, I
will look down, but if I look down, I will
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feel sad, So it works both directions. There's I did
some really interesting research with the CDC and WHO and
also the cell phone data. And as it turns out,
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the iPhone was introduced in two thousand and seven or eight,
and with the amount of hours per person that's being
spent on the phone since two thousand and looking at
the at the phone. And by the way, when you
look at your phone, where do you look you look
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down at your phone, where do you look when you
feel sad, when you feel disconnected down? So the amazing
thing this is mechanical. It's literally mechanical, like working a muscle.
You're looking down and you'll feel depressed and also disconnected.
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There is two things that are super interesting, and that
is when we when the phones came out in two
thousand and eight and to today. As the adoption went
so too went the the actual diagnosis of depression and anxiety.
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So literally as the per capita went up, it was
perfect lockstep one with the other number of hours you
look down and depression and anxiety and disconnection, and everybody's
been feeling that, you know. So the looping thoughts are
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relative to where do I spend my time looking, and
I will continue to loop if I am feeling a
certain way, I will if I put my eyes in
that position, the thought will just loop over and over.
And the beautiful thing about this knowledge is that there's
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a way out.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
If you look up.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
It's the opposite. When you look up with your eyes,
you will actually feel like this what they call prefernal cortex.
This is the area of executive function. And what what
your whole program about is refocusing. When you look up,
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you get new ideas, inspiration. You know, when ever you
see somebody worshiping in church, they're looking up. Their hands
are folding and they're looking up in prayer and devotion
or if you you know any and this is across culturally.
You can look in Asia, you can look in the
in the in the churches, you'll see the pictures of
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the saints. They're all looking up. It's they're utilizing this
this connection point. They're not down. They're not looking down anyway.
The thing is is that the refocusing is as simple
as knowing where to move your eyes when we're looking down.
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We're also at our phone is very limited. You know,
the phone is only four or five inches. You don't
look to the left of the phone or the right.
You're looking at the screen. And it's about eight to
nine hours a day for the average person.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
This is so good.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I have to jump in real good because so many
things are going off in my brain right now. But
we mentioned how small on phone device screen is compared
to your point. If you actually look up, it's more
real estate to look it's more things to look at,
minusmen driving a car. How dangerous is it if you
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not just glance at the review mirror too often? But
if you keep you locked if you keep your eyes
locked in on that small mirror compared to the big
wind show that's in front of you, that allows you
to see when the traffic light changes, to see when
someone's come in you're laying. You know, there's so many
things that you can see with the big wind show
versus the small rear view mirror.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's so small.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That is a really good point. That's a that is
a really good point. And and uh, most of the
time when you're looking in your rear view mirror. There's
some sort of concern, you know, it's not a happy thought.
You know. Well, obviously there's relative stuff. You know, I
got to make sure I'm changing lanes here, what's going on?
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But yeah, what might be coming up behind me, you know,
or or whatever? You can stay there, yeah, you can't
stay there? Yeah, yeah, just a glance.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Once again, listen to be focused, ready and't watching. That's
line talking to her guests today, Bill Cannon and go
to his website, got No Movement dot com. And my
next question is.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You also.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Talk about releasing energetic charts of trauma for our audience,
Key unpat what that means for someone who was only
experienced talk therapy.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Oh, well, this is really interesting because what we're talking
about is not talking.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's not talking. You're so.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
For all of us, we had a lot of things happen,
you know, I my upbringing, you know, uh, you know
there was it was filled with uh, you know, beatings
and alcoholism and abuse and you know, different things going on.
You know, I'm sure a lot of your listeners can
can relate to the experience. You know, when you're when
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you come from that background, you know, you're on a
high alert, you know, and you can feel it in
your body. So so these traumas actually are stored in
our body and and we don't know how they're really
affecting us intoday's existence, so they could be literally anything
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that happened to us. But when you release these these
traumas from your body, you literally don't feel the way
you used to feel anymore. The hypervigilance that you may
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be experienced and you're focused on, you know, like where's
the threat that goes away? But you still have discernment.
You know, eh, there's a guy. I know it's up,
but you're not. You're not in the hypervigilance mode, and
you don't make bad decisions anymore. And those bad decisions
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are driven by what we call your subconscious. You know,
I get a feeling, I think a thought equal to
the feeling, and then I act according to that. Those
are the that's the three ways this humans operate And
the thing that creates the feeling is your nervous system.
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So so the nervous system is the subconscious. If you
ever have any of your friends, you know, they go
through cycles doing the same thing over and over. You know,
maybe they're in the joint.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Not the joint.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
You know, they're in or out. You know, it's like,
how don't you learn, Well, they've got a feeling in
their body, and that feeling creates a certain thought and
then they'll act it out. And it doesn't matter whether
it's drugs or ice cream, makes no difference. You will,
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you'll get a feeling and you'll act upon it. Whether
it's eating the pine ice cream or or or you know,
hitting the pipe or getting in a fight, you name it.
It's all the same. But here's the cool thing. Once
the feeling's gone and and here's the cool thing, you
can do it. You can do this and it doesn't
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take willpower. It just takes knowing how. And it's physical exercise,
a physical exercise that you can do and you're free.
It's amazing. This is this is a I'll use myself
as an example. You know, I had no idea, no
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idea in the world where you know, I talked about,
you know, breaking a lot of bones, get Scott out
of an accident, you know, you know, breaking my neck
side bicycling, and you know, there were many many other
things I got into that I hurt myself and I
had no idea it was all rooted in the trauma
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and me resenting my father and that that ends up
being turned on ourselves and hurting ourselves. And you know,
for some of us, we hurt ourselves by you know,
maybe there's a couple of things that in us, you know,
in the system, or maybe it's it's a broken relationship.
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You know, I had the perfect girl and then now
I now some things happen now I don't. Or maybe
it's alcohol, drugs. It doesn't matter how it is that
we self sabotage, but it has to do with our roots,
oftentimes in our mother and father. But it's kind of
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hard to know what to do. We can't even talk
about it, you know, I can't even express and get
it out there how I really feel. I know, I
feel something horrible about it all or or like if
you're like me, I was just as dumb as a
bag of rocks. I didn't know that there was any correlation.
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It's just my life, you know, I have. This is
my life, and this is things are hard, you know,
and you know I busted up a lot, and you
know I have financial good times and then you know,
devastation or whatever. But there's a there's a relationship there
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in between my past and and all these things that
I don't want.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So yeah, because I think that was that's a great
way put in there's there's a direct relationship between the
past and I would say the president too, because my
dad would say the day you you make, you had
to sleep you know, like no one's going to trade you. Uh,
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it's just like you made, you get to sleep in it.
And what I'm getting from that is it's kind of funny.
It's going into my next question about cognit movement. When
you think about mindset coaching and people who are trying
to find that group problem that is direct relationship to
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the dysfunction, if you will, or the problems that they
have in the current space. What makes cognate movement fundamentally
different from approaches like meditation and mindset coaching.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You know, that's a really really good question, and you know,
I want to tell you a little story about how
this is different. So I have a client and this
client is, you know, in his twenties. Now, this client
he had road rage, like real bad. You know, eventually
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this is going to put him in the joint if
he doesn't get control over this road rage, something bad's
going to happen. So this is the very first time
I worked with him. He came to me and this
kid was kind of on the verge of being a
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pro athlete. But he had the you know, he had
the physical skills necessary to be a pro athlete, but
he had this road rage. You know, he get in
his car and he couldn't drive more than twenty minutes
because he says it was all too much for him.
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You know, pretty pretty bad. So you know, he came
in and I knew about the road rage. I didn't
say anything. His parents brought him into me and they said,
you know, he doesn't want to talk about anything emotional,
but he's willing to do the work with you. Okay.
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I asked him, hey, man, you know if you walked
out this door and I could, I could help you
with anything, what would it be. He says, my shoulder.
All my life, my chest and my shoulder been tight
and that's affecting my game. You know, I want He
wanted to be better at his sport. So okay, what
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I did is I worked. I worked with him to
physically release all of this, which which he's an athlete,
pro level you know, and he had never been able
to let go of the chest and shoulder. And I
worked with him with his eyeballs. Remember how I talked
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about everywhere you look as a different part of your brain.
I found the damaged part of his brain. As it
turns out, he slammed his head when he was six
years old and got a brain injury. And nobody ever knew,
and nobody ever really thought much of it, you know,
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when we were kids. You know, he bang it up.
Hey man, you know he's not sleeping off for a
few days. We're gonna be fine, you know, but nobody
ever knew what to do. Anyway. What ended up happen
is I got through his eyes. I got the whole
shoulder to release. Saw him a week later, and we're saying, okay,
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you know, because I was just approaching things from the
athletic point of view, and I asked him, hey man,
you know, how is your weak And he said, you
know what, My shoulder's feeling great. But I had this
really weird thing happen. He said, you know, my driving
Now I don't have any stress driving And this is amazing.
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How you know, God, the universe works, or whatever you
want to call it. But twice that week he said,
I got flipped off by two separate people. And he said,
he said, I looked over and both both times I
looked at him and I was like, oh, I guess
that person's having a bad day to day. Unbelievable. But
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what it was is that part of his brain came online.
And what it makes a difference is is about cogno movement.
It's not talking, you know. It is in order for
us to have a negative feeling, there's some sort of
tension in the body somewhere. It's mandatory for our brain
when it has a negative thought to have tension. The
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brain and the body worked together. So with cognito movement,
they basically we work with the brain and the body
and we cause these releases and we also cause uh
parts of the brain to gain function, and we build
mental acuity and and also physical performance all at the
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same time.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Once again, listen, tell me folks radio watching this. When
we're talking to our guests today, Bill mckinna can go
to this website cognal Before we rep things up. There's
a lot of stuff I want to responsible for the
sake of cont My last question would be to tis
all off is that you bet able people to work
with thousands around the world with your research and what
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you do with resources. What's one thing that you believe
is a common thread when people start to get hot
like that breakthrough? Have you seen any similar like can
you be relief or just okay? Before after I can
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have done a control intense situation, It's like, how has
that ben to a little?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Uh, I cannot even tell you how much joy this
gives me, because it is, uh, it is so joyful
to watch somebody go from like that kid who had
the who had the road rage into nothing. But what
I see, here's what I see is that it's simply
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things don't exist for them anymore. The even an insult
is not even seen as a significant event that requires
me to act. When we have a situation where you know,
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we might not really know that we have. I have
had a concussion or brain injury. You know, my business partner,
Liz Larson, she said, she asked me, hey, Bill, you
ever had a brain injury?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And you know?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And I said no, I hadn't you know. But meanwhile,
you know I had been punched in the head, kicked
in the head, I've been you know, you name it.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I even was.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Unconscious for I don't even know how many hours laying
in a dirt field. But I didn't think, and I
fractured my face. I didn't think I had anything. None
of us think we do, but but we do. If
you played football, you know, you got in a fight,
you know you fell off your bike, you know, it's
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enough to create a situation where we have a real problem,
and we think about it in terms of it's a
behavioral issue, but really we know from the aim in
clinics that I talked about, it's a physical issue. And
when the physical issue is done, what we know is
that refocusing is not done through effort. It's not even
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done through force of will. You know, we're all taught, man,
you gotta you gotta think different, You've got to act different.
It's not possible for them because that part of the
brain is offline. But when it comes online, it's so easy.
The the the craving that you have goes away, the
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behavior goes away. You Actually, the weird thing is is
you may see somebody else's point of view, like it
seems like you're getting attacked before doing the work, and
then all of a sudden, after the doing the work,
it's like, oh, they're just asking me to you know,
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put the dishes into the into the dish strainer, right there,
No big deal.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I can do that. It's all right.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So that's what I see. What I see is progressive.
I see people's lives taking off without like having to
be constantly monitoring, like don't do that, do this, or
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I know I shouldn't. You know, I shouldn't drink that,
but I can't help it, you know, It's just yeah,
I'm just gonna do it anyway. You know, it all
just kind of starts crumbling away and you start acting
different without trying.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It's very interesting because.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I talked to someone who was a former athlete and
he talked about the brain and how you know, his
main job is let you know something's going wrong about it,
get pain boom. It's going to scan some to let
you know right away, Hey, something's not right. Let's get
this fix or do something, because at this point, the
threshold has passed and something is going to keep tagging
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use that you're in pain until you address it. So
everything I'm gathering our conversation is kind of parallel, and
that is there are certain things we experience, and there
is time and place where we have to give a
professional help or figure out what was causing that Issue's
causing that pain, was causing whatever, from back in the
day to now. But the blooming part that I find
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real awesome to notice is that there is also a
time and place where you can heal. And maybe it's
not healing in a definition that is like rubber stamp
for everybody, but maybe it's a unique healing that requires time,
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It requires surrender, if you because we used to look up,
I also thought about in those moments, a lot of
it is either I can't take anymore, so here I
am I have to surrender to the truth and reality,
or is relief like healing has started to take place
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and now I can receive what it's meant for me
in this lifetime because now I'm not cleaning to the
past or anything that no longer serves me.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Well, oh, that was really eloquently put. Why you know,
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to use that.
That was well done, well done. You know that I
can't take it anymore and I'm ready to surrender or
receive now or yeah.
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Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, once again, if you're listening to focus ready watching
this online. Like we always say when says Bill, thank
you for your time, man, Thank you
You are listening to I Am Refocused Radio with your
host Shamaiah Read. This show is designed to inspire you
to live your purpose and regain your focus. And now
here's your host, Shamaiah read what you're.
Speaker 2 (00:17):
About to ally First, Ready, once again, we are here
today and today, just like any other time, we have
another amazing show for you Today, today we have our
special guest. His name is Bill McKenna. He's the author
of the Only Lesson, the founder of the Cogital movement,
and he is so unworth being on the show today.
He has a ton of experience, a lot of amazing
stories that include near death skydiving experience that we're going
(00:40):
to have to learn about that. But yet he's also
about a spiritual awakening in decades long journey into neuroscience,
energy and transformation. We're going to learn everything, not just
about his amazing career, but the amazing resources he has.
He has an amazing gift that we're going to be
sharing of our audience a little bit later into the show.
But before we do all that, I want to pause
(01:02):
here and say to Bill, thank you for being on
the show today.
Speaker 1 (01:05):
Man.
Speaker 3 (01:05):
How you doing.
Speaker 4 (01:06):
Oh, I'm great, I'm so grateful to be here with
you and to be able to share all of this
information with your listeners.
Speaker 2 (01:20):
I love stories, so I tease the sky diving incident
that you experienced. I want to start to show off
with that story. Take us back and tell us a
little bit about this Skuyding accident that led to the
work are you doing today?
Speaker 4 (01:36):
So my skydiving accident, I had been skydiving. I had
over seventy skydives at the particular time of the accident,
and it was it was actually the particular day. It
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was a few days past my twenty eighth birthday. And
for some reason, all my life, I thought I'm going
to be dead at twenty eight and I always I
don't know why I thought that, but I always thought
I'm going to be dead at twenty eight and I
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lived appropriately. So that day I was on the way
to the airport and it flashed in my mind. I
was only maybe a mile or two away, and I
was like, I wonder if today's the day. And you know, anyway,
I had a brand new parachute at that time.
Speaker 3 (02:37):
I just got it.
Speaker 4 (02:39):
And it was at that time, this is back, this
is back at the eighties, and it was a ram
air you know, square and very very high performance for
that point in time. And this is relevant later on
in the story as what happens. I was skydiving alone,
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as I usually would do, and there, you know, the
plane takes off and takes us up to twelve thousand
feets and it was it was kind of a limony
snickets type of situation. You know, every everything perfectly aligned
for everything to go wrong. We were in a fast
plane that day, and that meant you know that if
you don't hit your target when you jump out at
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the right time, you're going to be pretty far away
from the airport. And there was a bunch of guys
before me, and you know, they were in the door
ready to go, and they're like one, two, three, and
then they're like no, no, no, no, no, you know,
let's regroup, and then one two and then again oh
no no no, we got to adjust our belter at something.
Speaker 3 (03:43):
And I was like, get out, get out, out, out, and.
Speaker 4 (03:47):
They were like still dilly dallion in the door. Finally
they go out, and you're supposed to wait, you know,
in between when the other guys jumping, Oh, I was
out the door right after him, and I'm I'm I
put myself immediately into that delta. They call it a
delta where you're tracking across the sky. Your hands are
down by your side, your heads your heads forward, and
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it allows you to track across the surface of the earth.
You know, you can make progress like a wing across
the across the surface of the earth. So I'm just
there trying to get back to the airport and it
just wasn't working out. I had about five thousand feet
I popped my parachute, which is way higher than you know,
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the couple thousand feet usually, and I just you know,
trying to get back because you know, I could make
more progress I get down, I'm still a couple miles
from the airport, and my I see there's like a
bob wire fence like cowpasture about bob war fence. And
my calculation was if I if I did a turn,
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a quick turn, then what would happen is I'd end
up on the good side of the fence and not
you know, tear my parachute, tear my pants. You know,
I'd be climbing over a bob wire fence. Nobody's with me,
nobody knows. But anyway, as it turns out I can't.
I did this turn, and I lost so much altitude
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because it was it was so incredibly fast. Literally, the
parachute is below you. You're above it when when you're
flipping one of these turns. And I wasn't used to
it anyway, I came out of it. I'm coming out
of it and I'm like, oh my god, I'm too
low and I pulled the you know, to flare parachute collapsed.
(05:39):
I basically fell about seven hundred feet and broke my spine,
broke my chest, broke my face, broke exploded my femur,
which is you know, the top part of your leg,
and it's spun and nothing left, and uh, I ended
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up on the ground and I was basically I don't
know how long I was out, but I was there,
and eventually somebody found me. Spent uh spent about a
month in intensive care and getting a lot of surgery,
putting a lot of metal, putting me back together, a
lot of metal. And uh, anyway, that was that was
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one of the of the major kind of injuries that
I had suffered, you know, during my existence, and uh,
there were others, you know, broke my neck, bicycling and
you know, had a few beers and snap, you know,
a lot of stupid moves, you know, youthful indiscretions.
Speaker 2 (06:52):
Man, that's like a little movie trailer right there when
you think about trauma, because that's I can only imagine
the emotional tone that you had to go through just
getting better. What was it like for you just thinking
back the process of you realized, Okay, there's gonna be
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a long road to recovery. How did you process that?
Speaker 1 (07:20):
Well?
Speaker 4 (07:20):
I didn't really. The truth is I never I had
broken lots and lots of bones before, you know, I
had spent my entire life, you know, from six years
old in martial arts, every type of martial arts, judo,
jiu jitsu, taekwondocas, oh, you know, everything I could do.
(07:41):
You know, that was my life. So you know I
banged it up a lot of times and broke a
lot of bones and you know, different things got knocked
out whatever. But I had never been hurt like this,
and I didn't know what to expect.
Speaker 3 (07:58):
I had no idea.
Speaker 4 (07:59):
But it took me about seven eight years to get better.
I just didn't feel good for like about seven eight years.
You know, they say, it's like having cancer, you know,
that type of thing.
Speaker 2 (08:13):
From your perspective, what you believe really happens to the
brain and nervousness. So when people are looping trauma, because
I can imagine things that might figure those instances and
how that can kind of really mess with you, just
kind of get better and kind of have us in
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my normal life.
Speaker 1 (08:36):
You know.
Speaker 4 (08:37):
The thing with trauma is that you know, trauma can
be emotional or it can be physical. And the amazing
thing here is that you know, there's a there's a
place called the Amen Clinics. Doctor Daniel Ayman, I don't
know if you've heard of him before. He was a
(08:59):
He was a radiologist turned psychiatrists, and basically they radiologists.
Do you know scans of the body? You know, radiology, radio, radiologically,
you know of all kinds. And so when he became
a psychologist, he started scanning the brains. He said, we're
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the only profession that doesn't look at the organ that
they're treating. He discovered that an emotional injury and a
physical injury look the same on a scan. It's unbelievable
that it's it's quite physical. But the looping, what you
you'd asked about when you have traumas and looping. Well,
(09:46):
there's there's a reason why we loop, and it has
everything to do with our eyeballs. And you're like, what
does the eyeballs have to do with looping? Well, it's
actually pretty simple. Everywhere you look is a different part
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of your brain. The easiest way that everybody can really
relate to this is if I came on your show
and I was looking like this, my eyes straight down.
You know, my head's forward, but my eyes are down.
Maybe my head's a little bit down. What might you
think about what I'm feeling.
Speaker 3 (10:30):
Something, something's going on.
Speaker 4 (10:32):
Something's going on, and it ain't good, you know, maybe
maybe down, maybe depressed, disconnected a bit. Well, it turns
out literally everybody knows this. You know, even a child
knows that. You know that that person, you can see
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it on their face. They're looking down, and they're looking
down literally turn turns off the chemicals in the brain,
like oxytocin. Oxytocin is the connection of the connection chemical.
When you feel good and you look somebody in the eye.
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It also turns off serotonin, another chemical which is going
to make you feel good. So there's all of these.
It's like electrical meaning nervous system and chemical. So when
we look down, not only if I feel sad, I
will look down, but if I look down, I will
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feel sad, So it works both directions. There's I did
some really interesting research with the CDC and WHO and
also the cell phone data. And as it turns out,
(11:58):
the iPhone was introduced in two thousand and seven or eight,
and with the amount of hours per person that's being
spent on the phone since two thousand and looking at
the at the phone. And by the way, when you
look at your phone, where do you look you look
(12:19):
down at your phone, where do you look when you
feel sad, when you feel disconnected down? So the amazing
thing this is mechanical. It's literally mechanical, like working a muscle.
You're looking down and you'll feel depressed and also disconnected.
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There is two things that are super interesting, and that
is when we when the phones came out in two
thousand and eight and to today. As the adoption went
so too went the the actual diagnosis of depression and anxiety.
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So literally as the per capita went up, it was
perfect lockstep one with the other number of hours you
look down and depression and anxiety and disconnection, and everybody's
been feeling that, you know. So the looping thoughts are
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relative to where do I spend my time looking, and
I will continue to loop if I am feeling a
certain way, I will if I put my eyes in
that position, the thought will just loop over and over.
And the beautiful thing about this knowledge is that there's
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a way out.
Speaker 3 (13:54):
If you look up.
Speaker 4 (13:57):
It's the opposite. When you look up with your eyes,
you will actually feel like this what they call prefernal cortex.
This is the area of executive function. And what what
your whole program about is refocusing. When you look up,
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you get new ideas, inspiration. You know, when ever you
see somebody worshiping in church, they're looking up. Their hands
are folding and they're looking up in prayer and devotion
or if you you know any and this is across culturally.
You can look in Asia, you can look in the
in the in the churches, you'll see the pictures of
(14:43):
the saints. They're all looking up. It's they're utilizing this
this connection point. They're not down. They're not looking down anyway.
The thing is is that the refocusing is as simple
as knowing where to move your eyes when we're looking down.
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We're also at our phone is very limited. You know,
the phone is only four or five inches. You don't
look to the left of the phone or the right.
You're looking at the screen. And it's about eight to
nine hours a day for the average person.
Speaker 3 (15:23):
This is so good.
Speaker 2 (15:24):
I have to jump in real good because so many
things are going off in my brain right now. But
we mentioned how small on phone device screen is compared
to your point. If you actually look up, it's more
real estate to look it's more things to look at,
minusmen driving a car. How dangerous is it if you
(15:46):
not just glance at the review mirror too often? But
if you keep you locked if you keep your eyes
locked in on that small mirror compared to the big
wind show that's in front of you, that allows you
to see when the traffic light changes, to see when
someone's come in you're laying. You know, there's so many
things that you can see with the big wind show
versus the small rear view mirror.
Speaker 3 (16:07):
It's so small.
Speaker 4 (16:09):
That is a really good point. That's a that is
a really good point. And and uh, most of the
time when you're looking in your rear view mirror. There's
some sort of concern, you know, it's not a happy thought.
You know. Well, obviously there's relative stuff. You know, I
got to make sure I'm changing lanes here, what's going on?
(16:31):
But yeah, what might be coming up behind me, you know,
or or whatever? You can stay there, yeah, you can't
stay there? Yeah, yeah, just a glance.
Speaker 2 (16:41):
Once again, listen to be focused, ready and't watching. That's
line talking to her guests today, Bill Cannon and go
to his website, got No Movement dot com. And my
next question is.
Speaker 3 (16:52):
You also.
Speaker 2 (16:55):
Talk about releasing energetic charts of trauma for our audience,
Key unpat what that means for someone who was only
experienced talk therapy.
Speaker 4 (17:06):
Oh, well, this is really interesting because what we're talking
about is not talking.
Speaker 3 (17:16):
It's not talking. You're so.
Speaker 4 (17:20):
For all of us, we had a lot of things happen,
you know, I my upbringing, you know, uh, you know
there was it was filled with uh, you know, beatings
and alcoholism and abuse and you know, different things going on.
You know, I'm sure a lot of your listeners can
can relate to the experience. You know, when you're when
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you come from that background, you know, you're on a
high alert, you know, and you can feel it in
your body. So so these traumas actually are stored in
our body and and we don't know how they're really
affecting us intoday's existence, so they could be literally anything
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that happened to us. But when you release these these
traumas from your body, you literally don't feel the way
you used to feel anymore. The hypervigilance that you may
(18:31):
be experienced and you're focused on, you know, like where's
the threat that goes away? But you still have discernment.
You know, eh, there's a guy. I know it's up,
but you're not. You're not in the hypervigilance mode, and
you don't make bad decisions anymore. And those bad decisions
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are driven by what we call your subconscious. You know,
I get a feeling, I think a thought equal to
the feeling, and then I act according to that. Those
are the that's the three ways this humans operate And
the thing that creates the feeling is your nervous system.
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So so the nervous system is the subconscious. If you
ever have any of your friends, you know, they go
through cycles doing the same thing over and over. You know,
maybe they're in the joint.
Speaker 3 (19:30):
Not the joint.
Speaker 4 (19:31):
You know, they're in or out. You know, it's like,
how don't you learn, Well, they've got a feeling in
their body, and that feeling creates a certain thought and
then they'll act it out. And it doesn't matter whether
it's drugs or ice cream, makes no difference. You will,
(19:52):
you'll get a feeling and you'll act upon it. Whether
it's eating the pine ice cream or or or you know,
hitting the pipe or getting in a fight, you name it.
It's all the same. But here's the cool thing. Once
the feeling's gone and and here's the cool thing, you
can do it. You can do this and it doesn't
(20:15):
take willpower. It just takes knowing how. And it's physical exercise,
a physical exercise that you can do and you're free.
It's amazing. This is this is a I'll use myself
as an example. You know, I had no idea, no
(20:38):
idea in the world where you know, I talked about,
you know, breaking a lot of bones, get Scott out
of an accident, you know, you know, breaking my neck
side bicycling, and you know, there were many many other
things I got into that I hurt myself and I
had no idea it was all rooted in the trauma
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and me resenting my father and that that ends up
being turned on ourselves and hurting ourselves. And you know,
for some of us, we hurt ourselves by you know,
maybe there's a couple of things that in us, you know,
in the system, or maybe it's it's a broken relationship.
(21:25):
You know, I had the perfect girl and then now
I now some things happen now I don't. Or maybe
it's alcohol, drugs. It doesn't matter how it is that
we self sabotage, but it has to do with our roots,
oftentimes in our mother and father. But it's kind of
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hard to know what to do. We can't even talk
about it, you know, I can't even express and get
it out there how I really feel. I know, I
feel something horrible about it all or or like if
you're like me, I was just as dumb as a
bag of rocks. I didn't know that there was any correlation.
(22:10):
It's just my life, you know, I have. This is
my life, and this is things are hard, you know,
and you know I busted up a lot, and you
know I have financial good times and then you know,
devastation or whatever. But there's a there's a relationship there
(22:31):
in between my past and and all these things that
I don't want.
Speaker 2 (22:38):
So yeah, because I think that was that's a great
way put in there's there's a direct relationship between the
past and I would say the president too, because my
dad would say the day you you make, you had
to sleep you know, like no one's going to trade you. Uh,
(22:59):
it's just like you made, you get to sleep in it.
And what I'm getting from that is it's kind of funny.
It's going into my next question about cognit movement. When
you think about mindset coaching and people who are trying
to find that group problem that is direct relationship to
(23:20):
the dysfunction, if you will, or the problems that they
have in the current space. What makes cognate movement fundamentally
different from approaches like meditation and mindset coaching.
Speaker 4 (23:34):
You know, that's a really really good question, and you know,
I want to tell you a little story about how
this is different. So I have a client and this
client is, you know, in his twenties. Now, this client
he had road rage, like real bad. You know, eventually
(24:01):
this is going to put him in the joint if
he doesn't get control over this road rage, something bad's
going to happen. So this is the very first time
I worked with him. He came to me and this
kid was kind of on the verge of being a
(24:23):
pro athlete. But he had the you know, he had
the physical skills necessary to be a pro athlete, but
he had this road rage. You know, he get in
his car and he couldn't drive more than twenty minutes
because he says it was all too much for him.
(24:45):
You know, pretty pretty bad. So you know, he came
in and I knew about the road rage. I didn't
say anything. His parents brought him into me and they said,
you know, he doesn't want to talk about anything emotional,
but he's willing to do the work with you. Okay.
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I asked him, hey, man, you know if you walked
out this door and I could, I could help you
with anything, what would it be. He says, my shoulder.
All my life, my chest and my shoulder been tight
and that's affecting my game. You know, I want He
wanted to be better at his sport. So okay, what
(25:32):
I did is I worked. I worked with him to
physically release all of this, which which he's an athlete,
pro level you know, and he had never been able
to let go of the chest and shoulder. And I
worked with him with his eyeballs. Remember how I talked
(25:54):
about everywhere you look as a different part of your brain.
I found the damaged part of his brain. As it
turns out, he slammed his head when he was six
years old and got a brain injury. And nobody ever knew,
and nobody ever really thought much of it, you know,
(26:14):
when we were kids. You know, he bang it up.
Hey man, you know he's not sleeping off for a
few days. We're gonna be fine, you know, but nobody
ever knew what to do. Anyway. What ended up happen
is I got through his eyes. I got the whole
shoulder to release. Saw him a week later, and we're saying, okay,
(26:38):
you know, because I was just approaching things from the
athletic point of view, and I asked him, hey man,
you know, how is your weak And he said, you
know what, My shoulder's feeling great. But I had this
really weird thing happen. He said, you know, my driving
Now I don't have any stress driving And this is amazing.
(27:01):
How you know, God, the universe works, or whatever you
want to call it. But twice that week he said,
I got flipped off by two separate people. And he said,
he said, I looked over and both both times I
looked at him and I was like, oh, I guess
that person's having a bad day to day. Unbelievable. But
(27:27):
what it was is that part of his brain came online.
And what it makes a difference is is about cogno movement.
It's not talking, you know. It is in order for
us to have a negative feeling, there's some sort of
tension in the body somewhere. It's mandatory for our brain
when it has a negative thought to have tension. The
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brain and the body worked together. So with cognito movement,
they basically we work with the brain and the body
and we cause these releases and we also cause uh
parts of the brain to gain function, and we build
mental acuity and and also physical performance all at the
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same time.
Speaker 2 (28:17):
Once again, listen, tell me folks radio watching this. When
we're talking to our guests today, Bill mckinna can go
to this website cognal Before we rep things up. There's
a lot of stuff I want to responsible for the
sake of cont My last question would be to tis
all off is that you bet able people to work
with thousands around the world with your research and what
(28:40):
you do with resources. What's one thing that you believe
is a common thread when people start to get hot
like that breakthrough? Have you seen any similar like can
you be relief or just okay? Before after I can
(29:01):
have done a control intense situation, It's like, how has
that ben to a little?
Speaker 3 (29:08):
Actually?
Speaker 4 (29:10):
Uh, I cannot even tell you how much joy this
gives me, because it is, uh, it is so joyful
to watch somebody go from like that kid who had
the who had the road rage into nothing. But what
I see, here's what I see is that it's simply
(29:35):
things don't exist for them anymore. The even an insult
is not even seen as a significant event that requires
me to act. When we have a situation where you know,
(29:55):
we might not really know that we have. I have
had a concussion or brain injury. You know, my business partner,
Liz Larson, she said, she asked me, hey, Bill, you
ever had a brain injury?
Speaker 1 (30:10):
And you know?
Speaker 4 (30:10):
And I said no, I hadn't you know. But meanwhile,
you know I had been punched in the head, kicked
in the head, I've been you know, you name it.
Speaker 3 (30:21):
I even was.
Speaker 4 (30:21):
Unconscious for I don't even know how many hours laying
in a dirt field. But I didn't think, and I
fractured my face. I didn't think I had anything. None
of us think we do, but but we do. If
you played football, you know, you got in a fight,
you know you fell off your bike, you know, it's
(30:42):
enough to create a situation where we have a real problem,
and we think about it in terms of it's a
behavioral issue, but really we know from the aim in
clinics that I talked about, it's a physical issue. And
when the physical issue is done, what we know is
that refocusing is not done through effort. It's not even
(31:08):
done through force of will. You know, we're all taught, man,
you gotta you gotta think different, You've got to act different.
It's not possible for them because that part of the
brain is offline. But when it comes online, it's so easy.
The the the craving that you have goes away, the
(31:32):
behavior goes away. You Actually, the weird thing is is
you may see somebody else's point of view, like it
seems like you're getting attacked before doing the work, and
then all of a sudden, after the doing the work,
it's like, oh, they're just asking me to you know,
(31:54):
put the dishes into the into the dish strainer, right there,
No big deal.
Speaker 3 (32:00):
I can do that. It's all right.
Speaker 4 (32:02):
So that's what I see. What I see is progressive.
I see people's lives taking off without like having to
be constantly monitoring, like don't do that, do this, or
(32:24):
I know I shouldn't. You know, I shouldn't drink that,
but I can't help it, you know, It's just yeah,
I'm just gonna do it anyway. You know, it all
just kind of starts crumbling away and you start acting
different without trying.
Speaker 3 (32:44):
It's very interesting because.
Speaker 2 (32:47):
I talked to someone who was a former athlete and
he talked about the brain and how you know, his
main job is let you know something's going wrong about it,
get pain boom. It's going to scan some to let
you know right away, Hey, something's not right. Let's get
this fix or do something, because at this point, the
threshold has passed and something is going to keep tagging
(33:11):
use that you're in pain until you address it. So
everything I'm gathering our conversation is kind of parallel, and
that is there are certain things we experience, and there
is time and place where we have to give a
professional help or figure out what was causing that Issue's
causing that pain, was causing whatever, from back in the
day to now. But the blooming part that I find
(33:36):
real awesome to notice is that there is also a
time and place where you can heal. And maybe it's
not healing in a definition that is like rubber stamp
for everybody, but maybe it's a unique healing that requires time,
(33:57):
It requires surrender, if you because we used to look up,
I also thought about in those moments, a lot of
it is either I can't take anymore, so here I
am I have to surrender to the truth and reality,
or is relief like healing has started to take place
(34:21):
and now I can receive what it's meant for me
in this lifetime because now I'm not cleaning to the
past or anything that no longer serves me.
Speaker 4 (34:34):
Well, oh, that was really eloquently put. Why you know,
I'm gonna have to I'm gonna have to use that.
That was well done, well done. You know that I
can't take it anymore and I'm ready to surrender or
receive now or yeah.
Speaker 3 (34:56):
I love that. I love that. Well once again, oh,
you have some gifts for our viewers audience, for those
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just it'll just happen automatically.
Speaker 2 (36:12):
Well, once again, if you're listening to focus ready watching
this online. Like we always say when says Bill, thank
you for your time, man, Thank you
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