S3E1: Advice on success / What to do to succeed in Entertainment | Wrestler Cory Kastle

S3E1 | Advice on success comes in many forms. In this episode we consult wrestler Cory Kastle on his career in real time. You'll hear what he's accomplished on his own, how long he's been wrestling for, and the struggles he's found in his path to success. Thomas J. Bellezza gives us an insight into what he could have done better, the changes he needs to make, and a quick plan to make things happen!

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Episode Transcript

(00:01):
All right, you know, it'sbeen a little bit. It's been a
while. We did two full seasons, and I decided, because of all
the interest, to redo this showand stop back up, and I don't
make this stuff up. As onepurpose, and one purpose owing it is
to teach you, the listener,you the one with dreams, how to
do it and really say you're doingit this way, which is fine,

(00:24):
but there are other ways. Whydon't you try. You gotta change the
brain, to change the game,mix things up, you know, do
what you can. So I've decidedto bring on guests this season. I'm
gonna do ten episodes. This isepisode one, and I'm gonna bring on
guests. I'm gonna ask them questionsabout what they're doing, and then I'm
basically going to give them a freeconsulting hour to be a sixty minute episode,

(00:44):
not the six hour episodes we usedto do back in the day.
So that is what I'm gonna dotoday for you, the listener, and
my guests, who I love,I love deeply and not in a we
spent the night in bed together,but more of like he likes laying on
the mat because he's a wrestler andI like to introduce mister Corey Castle.

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Everybody. We could lay in bedtogether and it be not weird, right,
Well, as long as there's apillow between us and I don't have
an erection. Yeah, dude,I sleep in bed with guys all the
time. I'm I'm a traveler onthe road. I'm on the I'm on
the road performer. Sometimes I sleepin bed with a with a dude and
I had on line with it.Listen, it's not gay if you're not

(01:29):
enjoying it, right, I mean, it's you know, sometimes sometimes boners
happen, but those are you know, we're asleep when it happens. Listen.
I've had sex with several men toprove that I wasn't gay, So
just to do it anyway, youknow. I have a couple of questions
before we get started so the audiencecan understand where who you are and what

(01:49):
you do. So right off thebat, mister Corey Castle, obviously that's
your stage name, right, Yes, that is all right. We don't
need to know your real name,but it's good to know that you are
using a stage name because that isis a pretty common thing for people.
I mean, I'm pretty sure youalready know my real name, but I've
forgotten it. Uh, it's it'spublic record. I've never I've never tried

(02:12):
to hide it. You you'd findit. Yeah, but Corey Castle is
you know, it's it's important toknow that it's it's okay to have a
stage name. You know, thatdoesn't to ter your success or not unless
you're Corey Castle. So, uh, because I've got yeah, limited amount
of that. Correct. So misterCorey Castle, Uh, you are by
far uh uh specifically a wrestler thatalso does other things? Is that correct?

(02:38):
That is very correct? Yes?All right? And what are those
other things you do? I hosta podcast. I host a podcast called
Evolving with Corey Castle, and I'vebeen doing that since twenty seventeen. I
used to host a podcast called WrestleRock or a S S L E Rock,
but my co host stop watching wrestling, so so we can't discuss wrestling

(03:01):
anymore. So we were like,okay, what he's lost his he's lost
his will to watch wrestling anymore.He's still talking about Owen you know,
Owen Hart Heart's great man. He'sthe blue Beetle that they changed it the
blue blazer. Yeah blue, Yeah, they cut him out of the show.
Why he died? He could whatdo you mean, like his his

(03:24):
gimmick wasn't working. No, youknow, he fell and oh yeah,
yeah, sometimes the star falls,you know, sometimes, you know,
you try one thing and people justdon't connect to it. And uh,
he was canceled. Why what didhe say? He said, enough is
enough? All right? Uh,that's that's an owen heart uh catchphrase.

(03:49):
Yeah, yeah, enough enough towardsthe end, towards the end. Actually
towards the end, it was,oh my god. So uh, I
do want to say this though,just just to speed through it. Uh,
you do comedy, you do standup comedy, you quote unquote act
just kidding, there is no quotes. So basically, you wrestle, you

(04:11):
do podcasts, you do comedy,you do some acting. Is there anything
else we could throw on that list? I am an ordained minister, okay,
all right. I am a licensedbodyguard. I work as a server
at TGI Fridays. Okay, okay, that's good to know. So if
what we in the industry call asurvival job, which is, by the
way, one of the reasons youhaven't reached a certain level of success.

(04:35):
But we'll get into that. We'llget into all right. So for those
listening, mister Castle not only hasa survival job, but he also diversifies
what he does in the entertainment industry, which is also it's an important note
to take that if you're a writer, or you're an actor, you're a
comedian, you don't necessarily just haveto do that thing because what you do

(04:59):
is your job. Your job actuallyreward you financially to do the thing you
do passionately. And the thing youdo passionately would be the acting or the
wrestling of the comedy. For example, Corey does not get the wrestle because
he is a wrestler. If thatwas the case, if you were an
quote unquote actor but you were home, you don't get to act because you

(05:20):
are an actor. No one's gonnacall you up and be like, hey,
I heard in my dream the otherday that you said something to how
you want to be an actor,and I was like, I'm casting an
award winning movie and you need tobe the lead. Like, it doesn't
work that way. Just because youdo something doesn't actually make you successful.

(05:41):
The thing, the passion is notwhat gets you to the top. The
job, the responsibility is that youdo behind the scenes. It's the grind
that defines, the grind that definesall right, right off the bat,
I again, please don't take offenseto anything I'm about to say. Hydroman.

(06:02):
All right, So Corey was sayinghe has a survival joy. He
didn't call it a vile job,but that's what we're gonna call it,
a viable job. I'm going todefine success right now. For anyone who
has listened to the show, youknow what it is before a new listener's
success for me on this show isdefined as making a living within your field
of interest. A living is nota lifestyle. A living is affording an

(06:26):
average monthly overhead. Okay, now, obviously your a lifestyle is the life
you want, not the life youneed in the beginning, and that is
the difference between succeeding and failing.Success comes from sacrificing your wants to afford
your needs. And then as yourneeds and your your job reward you financially,
you can increase your budget, youraverage monthly overhead, and therefore increase

(06:49):
your needs to add some of yourwants. But that's later on down the
road. So right off the bat, mister Castle, if you quit your
survival job today, right, couldyou afford your life for about a week
so until the bill comes right forabout a week. So I've been juggling

(07:15):
survival jobs, dude. I've beenin this wrestling game for like most of
my life. I'd say I debutedusing the stage name Corey Castle in two
thousand and two, so it justhit twenty years in September that I've been
using the stage name Corey Castle.But I've been wrestling. I've been in

(07:40):
the business and like paying dues inwrestling and taking bumps since about nineteen ninety
eight when I was fourteen years old, and I've never monetized it. The
pro wrestling independent level is sometimes alittle bit paid to play, and it's
a little bit of like it's almostlike you gotta, you gotta, you

(08:01):
gotta do it for nothing if youwant to do it at all. And
yeah, that that was what carriedme all through my twenties probably, and
comedy does that too. For theaudience sometimes they or a bands also,
you have to you buy tickets upfront or get tickets. You got to
sell the tickets. If you don'tsell x amount of tickets, you either
have to give them money for youto perform or or you don't get to

(08:22):
perform, right, That's pretty muchwhat it is with wrestling. Sometimes for
a good amount of years, Iactually most of my wrestling bookings were just
putting over ticket sellers. So likepeople would go and get the tickets and
go sell them to their friends fromthe promoter, and I have to go
make them look like they were astar. Yeah, like they were competing

(08:43):
against somebody who was actually a wrestler. But I do it for twenty bucks
or something. But let's let's talkabout that for a minute. So I
would like to say that, youknow, traditionally, traditionally, if you
start a business, if you arenot not successful within three years, meaning
on your third year, at theend of your third year, you're not

(09:05):
successful based on the success definition Igave, you're actually a failing business.
And now your breaking rule the ruleof business, which is don't put money
into a failing business. Now,the reason your business failed, by the
way, is not because you're nota good wrestler, because again, your
passion does not define your success.You have to do your job, and

(09:30):
we all know on the show yourjob is network market practice. Your job
is managing your time, money,and people. Your job is finding solutions
by thinking outside the box with yourentrepreneurial brain. Your job is to not
only have talent at what you're passionateabout, but talent that allows you to
join tables and be able to lead, follow and advise. Your job is
to organize your money so you caninvest it into assets, but you also
want to organize it into security,growth, and dream so you can protect

(09:54):
yourself, invest in yourself, andreward yourself. Now, with that fast
speel thrown out, Corey, couldI assume that over twenty two twenty years,
because you said you started in thenineties, over twenty years, would
you say you have not saved upcapital startup money to get your business going.

(10:18):
I would say no, no,but what you did do and tell
me if I'm wrong. Now,again, I don't know your history behind
the scenes, but I have workedwith so many people for over twenty years
in this industry that I already knowyour story. And I'm going to assume
you basically had a job or jobsand your brain was like, well,

(10:41):
I'll do this thing until I getmy break, and then I could quit
these jobs and focus one hundred percenton wrestling. Is that pretty much within
the realm of what your your planwas when you first started wrestling, when
you first started being interested in wrestling. I think as a career, I
think wrestling has become less of alike a direction for uh an income and

(11:05):
more like more like a hobby.I'm talking about it in the beginning,
in the beginning, in the beginning, in the beginning, Yeah, and
and and still, you know,with that being said, I still would
like it to be I believe,but I'm not going like wait till I
get my break. But I thoughtthat yeah, when I was a kid.
I like when you when you applyadult logic to childhood dreams, it's

(11:30):
it's hard to like sift through what'swhat's worth throw in and what's worth keeping.
You know. Well, also,you know, imagine someone told you,
hey, uh, Corey, Isee that you have. You have
the athleticism. Uh you know,you definitely have stage presence. But in
reality, to make it in wrestling, you got to put more time into

(11:50):
networking. You gotta put more timein marketing. But before you do all
that, you should save up eighteenmonths to two years worth of money,
so you can focus solely on gettinginvolved in the industry of wrestling. Your
brain will be like, no,I'm just going to be the best wrestler
I can potentially be, so Iget recognized, noticed and someone says we

(12:11):
want you in the w w Ecamp. Is that something your brain thought
about when you were starting out,that you were like, let me be
just so good that they can't ignoreme, that they're gonna want me on
their shows because I'm awesome, Ithink. I don't. I don't.
I don't think starting out that Ithought that way because I just thought,

(12:35):
do you remember e c W?Yeah I do, Yeah, Yeah,
Yeah started there? What's that christwas there? Yeah? ECW was ran
out of Philly, right, whichis Philly is where I'm from. Yeah,
ECW ran at the ECW Arena Swansonand written or in South Philly.
That's where when the company that Iworked for then CZW started running in that

(13:00):
same building and they had like syndicatedTV and I was on that show and
I was like, Oh, that'sgonna that's gonna blow up, and like,
for some reason, my my youngdelusional brain was like, when that
blows up, I'll blow up,Like and everyone was like oh, go
to school, dude, get someback up, get some like No,

(13:20):
no, your plan your plan Bshould just be another way to succeed at
your Plan A. For the record, that's how we talk on this show.
So let me clarify. It wasn'tso much that you were like,
let me be so good, I'llget recognized. You were already so good
in your mind that you're like,if this show blows up, I'm set.
Yeah. Yeah, I really haduh delusions of grand delusions of grandeur.

(13:45):
Yes, And I really didn't evenI didn't even think like somehow I
didn't even think to even like watchmy stuff and think I'm good or not,
Like I never even like when I'mwhen I was going through it.
And I think it's also way differenttime too, because it was the early

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two thousands, and you know,every every match I remember coming back and
like seeing seeing stars and like notreally remembering what happened in the match.
I was fully concussed every match.I remember early two thousands. I would
always come back fully concussed every matchand didn't remember any of it. So
I obviously it was not very goodif I kept getting injured. Well,

(14:28):
you're not supposed to stop yourself fromfalling with your head, you know,
like I come every time I fallon my back, I got a headache.
Well, because you're landing on yourhead first, you're supposed to actually
curl your neck, your your shin, your shin, your chin to your
chest and uh and allow your batright right, Yeah, that's curful,

(14:50):
that's correct. Yeah, yes,I always say whenever I whenever I give
like day one lessons to people,I'm like, tuck your chin to your
chest. Keep your tongue inside ofyour teeth. Yeah, always inside of
your teeth. Okay, people go, I put my tongue crap. And
also I believe your arms have tobe out right because it reduces the impact,

(15:11):
right yeah, yeah, you flapyour arms down, yep, reduces
the impact. Now you're like,how does this guy even know? I've
never seen him wrestle a day,And you're like, it's because I study
success and believe it or not,wrestlers they're successful wrestlers. So I was
more interested in the process of successand less about the art because I already
know what my passion is. Ilove writing, I love comedy, I

(15:33):
love music, So I don't youknow, like I know what my passion
is. I didn't need to studythat, you know. I studied it
in the sense of let me begood at what I do. But I
I was like, what is theprocess to get paid to do what I
wanted to do? With that said, though, so you've been doing this
for over twenty years, right now, did you change direction and say,

(15:58):
let me add comedy because people aregoing if they do comedy, they get
a show or they get discovered,and uh, you know, or was
it just like you were like,I just need something else to do.
No, Actually, comedy was thething I wanted to do first. It
was the thing I wanted to dobefore I ever wanted to be a wrestler,
and I didn't think about how Icould be both things at the same

(16:18):
time. Yeah you know what Imean, Like I've seen your matches.
Yeah, yeah, so I coulddo I could do that, as I
could do them both at the sametime. You don't want to be doing
you don't what to be, donNo. I never wanted to be a
funny wrestler. You want to bea funny comic and a good wrestler,
but not a funny wrestler. AndI've battled against that for so long that

(16:41):
it like might have it might have, you know, really hindered me.
Well, you used to be you'remostly a heel in wrestling, right,
yeah, yeah, yeah, youhave the you have the mustache or the
beard. Right, that's what theysay, like faces have to be clean
mostly right, clean shaven, AndI mean they say that in Georgia in
the nineteen eighties. They're not Idon't know if they're necessarily saying that now.

(17:06):
All right, right, that's whatsomeone in Georgia told me in the
early two thousands. They're like,oh, good, all this off.
What are you doing? Yeah,you can't be a face if you got
that? Why because I could seeyour face? No, I don't think
that's what that means. The facedoesn't mean to see your face. So
you wanted to be a comedian first, But did you not try it first?

(17:27):
You wanted you started with wrestling,and because you didn't, I don't
understand, Like, why didn't yougo for the comedy. So I started
training to be a pro wrestler whenI was fourteen years old. Yeah,
and then I started trying. Iwanted to do open mics, but I
was too young, Okay, Yeah, and uh and So I was doing

(17:49):
open mic yeah, right in theteens. Yeah, in Washington, DC.
So as soon as someone told meI was too young, I just
was like, okay, I'll notdo it then yeah. Yeah. And
then like when I was like twentyone or twenty two, I jumped up
on stage and did my first openmic. Yeah, and then I then
I was like, oh man,well I I did my first open mic,

(18:11):
went great. Second second week Iwent back, or maybe the second
day, it was like the secondThe day after that, I went and
tried a different open mic somewhere else, and that bombed miserably, and I'm
all right, not doing it,and I stopped for I stopped for a
while. I could back up.I started back up in twenty eleven,
I had I had, I hadthat brain surgery. Oh yeah, yeah,

(18:34):
I remember you when when I wasn'tallowed to get in a ring,
I wasn't allowed to to podcasts reallydidn't exist as accessibly as they are now.
Yeah, and uh, I wantedto. I wanted to be able
to say stuff, and I wantedto have an outlet. And yeah,
but for the first couple of monthsafter brain surgery, it wasn't most of

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what you said it sounded like Iwas always dribbling. Is that true?
No? No, I mean sofunny. And your family's like you're gonna
you're get your sound much better.I don't know if you get I I
remember seeing your scar. No,but I'm saying, like I have this

(19:17):
little dip here on the side ofmy head. I don't talking about your
pectomy scar. This little dip righthere on the side of my head kinds
like I kind of like lost mymy Uh, I lost like all my
fat here in the side of myface. Yeah, but is there a
bone there now or is there ametal metal plate? There's a plate up
here? Oh? Okay, butthe like where this like when they when

(19:40):
they had to peel my my faceoff and then they put my face back
on, stapled it back on.But this fat in my face up here
didn't return. And I had likelost all this feeling in the side of
my face for about for about eightmonths, and every once in a while
I would get I would get theselike like real bad headaches, just like

(20:02):
hit me real bad. And Ithis is the only time I ever uh
did it on stage. I didit once I was talking about I was
like, oh, I got this. I got this, uh brain surgery
a couple months ago. Side ofmy face is real. No, I'm
still but sometimes I'll get these painsand I'll and I'll act like when like
when I have to when it hitsme, I'm like ah, and then

(20:23):
people are like Okay. Then I'llautomatically act like I got psychic powers.
Someone with the j name your dad, your dad. But I got more
of a laugh for saying I justhad brain surgery. He didn't know that
was the like you know, soI was like, all right, I'm
not doing this again. Yeah.But when it comes to comedy, you
know, writing one on one isyou're not You're not telling jokes for the

(20:47):
audience to laugh where you think thissupposed to laugh. Comedy is about listening
and is a back and forth withthe audience, and sometimes your setup is
going to be funnier than the punchline, which means you need to work on
the punchline. But don't be nervousthat they're let I once watched the comedian
and the audience was laughing at howthey was setting up the joke, and
they were like, what are youdoing. That's not where you're supposed to
laugh, and what they did basicallytrained their audience not to laugh because they

(21:11):
were like, oh, you onlywant us to laugh when you want us
to laugh, So go to hell, you know, dude, dude,
I gotta I had a show thisSaturday in Jersey Comedy no pro wrestling show,
and I was a heel on stage, heal on Mike, and I
was in the ring, and Isaid, these fans, none of these
fans here were like wrestling fans.They were just like they were just like

(21:34):
friends and family of the wrestlers,or like the promoter or the paper play.
So it wasn't the weren't typical wrestlingfans. And I started out and
I was like, you guys areall very intellectually limited. I understand,
but I just want to make sureyou know this right off the bat,
out of respect for me. Whenthis spell rings, I went everyone to

(21:57):
you shut up and not say anything. I want complete silence in this room.
Yeah, and everyone was like okay, okay, like look, you're
supposed to not respect me. I'mlike everybody was so like, okay,
that's actually the same speech I giveevery woman i'm about to make love to

(22:18):
stay silent because I don't want toknow. I just want to hear me,
you know, all right, Solet's get let's get into it a
little bit. All right. I'mgonna ask you if you did a couple
of things and you tell me yesor no, Okay, okay, or
actually before I do that, becausewe still have a little time before we
get to the next half hour.Uh, what do you what did you

(22:41):
do or do you think it takesto be successful in calm? Just let
me know you're talking about comedy,acting, wrestling. You pick one,
and you tell me what your planis to be successful in that field and
be honest, it's okay, I'mnot gonna judge you. Just tell me
what you literally and and and andtruly believe is the path the success uh

(23:07):
for you. I think being reallygood. I think mostly like with my
comedy, I just want to makesure that I'm really good. It's not
really that I want to like geta get a break or anything. I
don't. I just really want tomake sure I'm very good first. So
like that's why I don't have alot of my stuff accessible on YouTube,

(23:30):
because like they're not seeing the bestof it yet. Because the best of
it isn't really here yet. SoI'm I'm just this kind of the same
with comedy, with the same withpro wrestling. But the thing with pro
wrestling is I, for the mostpart, I want every matches that I

(23:51):
have to be an experience for thepeople who are there. And I think
maybe maybe I haven't paid enough attentionto creating that experience for people over the
years, and I just I think, you know, redefining what what each

(24:15):
success is. So for a reallylong time, I just nitpicked everything and
really like beat myself up, like, oh that wasn't good, Oh that
suckd but that that would stand rightin my way. All right, let
me poise you there. So forthe audience, everything that Corey just said
was artist brain, okay, Andwhen you're trying to become successful, you

(24:36):
got to use business brain. Artistbrain is to create the experience. Business
brain is to sell the experience.So Corey wants to be really and I'm
just to confirm you, Corey issaying that he wants to be really good
at comedy before he pushes a littlebit right, and he wants to give
the best experience for the wrestling fans, which are both artist brain perspectives.

(24:59):
Now, this is a also knownas hesitation. So you can't be successful
if you hesitate. And in reality, it's not about being the best.
And I'll prove that was Robert deNiro oscar worthy when he did his first
movie, Corey. But wait,but shouldn't he have waited? Shouldn't he
have waited until he was at leastoscar notable before he got into really took

(25:22):
acting seriously, right, right?I get the example that you're making.
So that's that's how you should belooking at your career. Is it's not
about your performance. First, Robertde Niro got involved with his industry.
He got he networked and build relationships. One of his biggest breaks came from
his friendship with Joe Peshi, whichled him to Martin Scase which then obviously

(25:48):
Martin s Joe Pesci. They havethis huge, you know, thirty forty
year relationship. Right. That's theissue with a lot of people. They're
scared to take a chance until theyfeel they are so good. You can't
be ignored, right, But youare not the judge of your greatness.
The audience is right, you canthink you're the best. There is the

(26:12):
best. There ever was, andthe best they will be. Yeah.
Right, but you don't get todecide that we're really we're really going at
the hearts today. Huh yeah,yeah, yeah, you know, taking
taking wrestling from the heart. Uh, listen the cave. The cave is
important, all right, so listen. Uh. There's a lot of a
lot of wrestling uh innuendo in this. But my point is for those listening,

(26:37):
your talent, your craft is literallythe least important element of success.
It is an important element to longevity, but longevity is not the same as
success. You can't have longevity untilyou have success. So if you focus
on being so good they can andignore you. People are ignoring you because

(27:02):
they don't know who you are.You're trying to create longevity before you have
the success. And success comes fromthe people you know, the people who
know you, and how well youknow yourself and the industry you're in so
you can make calculated moves. Right. But more importantly, how can you
focus on getting involved with an industrywhen you can't do anything yet? The

(27:26):
answer is have that capital startup.And a lot of people are scared to
say, well, let me givethree or four years to myself to save
up this money so I could affordto not work a job for two years
eighteen months to twenty four months,and that allow me to do what volunteer
my time within the industries I ampassionate about. I did not say act,

(27:49):
wrestle or do comedy within the fieldof your interest. You have to
get into your field of interest first, and you do that by helping others
volunteer your time for free. Well, Tom, I gotta pay my bills.
No, you don't, you havetwo years worth of bills. But
this is the crazy part. Ifyou spend the first year of your career
getting involved, you will get hiredto do stuff. People will pay you

(28:15):
once they can see your talent,at what you bring to the table,
how you lead, follow and adviseothers. What can you do beyond I'm
a wrestler, I'm a comedian,I'm a writer, I'm an actor.
Because if they're hiring, like imagine, I hired Corey to be a comedian
on my show. I said,hey, Corey, can you do Friday?
And he goes absolutely not. Ihave to work, so I can't

(28:37):
do it. So now I knowI can't rely on Corey. I can't
I'm not going to ask him todo another show because he's unreliable. Why
because he has a job that takesprecedence over getting involved in the industry.
And I need people at the showthat have value. Why because let's go
the other route. Corey, canyou do the show? Cory says absolutely,
I could be there Friday. Coreycomes. He comes in fifteen minutes

(29:00):
before he has to perform. Hedoes his performance, he says hello goodbye
to all the comedians, and thenhe leaves. Why because Corey needs to
go home because Cary has to goto work tomorrow. So now, how
can I put him on another show? He didn't talk to the audience afterwards,
He didn't wait to say thank youto people. He just used the
event for him. And the issuewith that is this industry. Your success

(29:25):
has nothing to do with you.It has to do with the people you
surround yourself with. You got tobe a good hang, you got well
besides the hang, how do youbuild relationships with people if you come and
go yeah right now again, I'mnot I'm not knocking what Corey has been
doing for twenty plus years and stufflike that. What you're doing, Corey

(29:45):
is literally the traditional route of anentertainer, of an artist's brain, it's
I love I love wrestling, Ilove doing comedy, I love ed skill
or passion here of course, andobviously obviously tell me if I'm wrong,
Corey, would you wrestle for free? No, so you don't wrestle for

(30:07):
free at all? Ever? No, No, you just oh I thought
before you were saying you don't getpaid? No, no, no,
I would when I was young,but I won't now now you got to
get paid. What what's the averagepay a wrestler of your status would get,
like at least fifty bucks, whichis so what you're saying is you
don't get paid. Yeah. WhatI'm saying is I don't get paid.
I get paid fifty bucks. You'relike, I need money to get there

(30:30):
right and get home right. Yeah, so I'm basically I'm basically paying to
play. Like It's like I'm I'mjust being a mark for myself and I'm
It's like, okay, well let'stake that back, audience. Corey is
not making money wrestling unless unless doyou wrestle ten times a week? No,

(30:52):
I wrestle. I wrestle twice amonth. So basically I'm a I'm
a waiter at TGI Fridays. I'ma waiter who wrestles occasionally. No,
that's fine. That's by the way. Corey and I are friends. We've
known each other for a long time. So I'm not laughing at him to
make funy. I'm laughing because youknow, it's just funny. I was

(31:14):
like, I will not wrestle unlessI get paid. I'm great. How
over do you wrestle? You knowChristmas Thanksgiving series? I watch wrestling.
There's pictures of me on Facebook beinga pro wrestler. Therefore, I am
a pro wrestler. All right,Can I tell you a story about one

(31:37):
of my one of the one ofmy protegees, one of the people I
mentored, please I I I justwant to say, for the record,
before anything else, I have anincredible amount of respect for your success formulas
and your your You're you're way ofzooming back out of something and checking out

(32:04):
the dollars and cents of it andwhy it's worth doing, like you're you're
smelling the fish heads on everything.Well, yeah, you know, because
when I first started out, Iwas a musician and I was like,
well, I'll just be so goodthey'll have to hire us. And no
one wanted to even just get usin a room because they're like, who
are you? And then they werelike how many people you bring? We

(32:25):
were like fifty, and then weshow up and no one would show up,
you know. And then I'm fullyinvested in, like emotionally and all
the work I'm doing, I usuallyhave a drum here. I'm usually beating
that drum because it's about consistency,and what I would like to do consistently
is become a draw. I wantto become a draw, and I want

(32:47):
people to put put their money downso they can put an ass every eighteen
inches. Yeah, but you don't. You don't draw because you wrestle,
right, just like musicians don't drawbecause they play music. Just like the
medias Dorawa. It would be anexperience. It'd be an experience that I

(33:07):
think, but you but again,you can't determine the experience. The audience
does. But they have to experiencethe truth before they get to the match.
They have to. It has tobring value. Yeah, you like,
you can't go. I'll just wrestleuntil people recognize me. Because now

(33:29):
what you're saying is the rule ofmarketing suggests that every audience you perform in
front of it is the same exactaudience every single time. But it's not.
You're wrestling in front of mostly newpeople, so your marketing starts over
from zero, so they're not reallywhat you're saying is and you can correct

(33:50):
me if I'm wrong. I'm I'msimplifying what you're saying. The artist brain
of what you're presenting is I willwrestle for an audience and it will be
such an experience that they will becomefans of me and they will choose to
come to another wrestling match, eventhough in the same breath several seconds ago,

(34:10):
you said I perform wrestling, andit was mostly friends and family of
the other wrestlers, which means theydidn't even want to be there. They
didn't even understand what I was sayingin the ring and then didn't respond to
it. So it's you know,the idea that I will perform, the

(34:30):
audience will love me, or atleast some of them, they will come
back, and that's how I buildmy fan base is a logical fallacy.
No one. I shouldn't say noone. You need them to see you,
so much for the inprint marketing totake effect. And that's why like
songs are played so much on theradio, or the banners and billboards are

(34:51):
everywhere. Because it's in print marketing. You're not putting any money into marketing.
I can guarantee that, right.What's your mark getting budget? My
marketing budget is the the I guesswhatever I pay for stream Yard zero?
Well, stream yard is not marketingbecause it's a product. When you do

(35:15):
a podcast, that's a product.So now you've got to market a brand
to bring people to listen to yourpodcast. Now I do it because I
don't make this stuff up. Theway I do it with that is it's
all about keywords, titles, thedescription, and the subject matter. Right,
so that draws in. It's fine. I have content that creates a
solution for an audience. The solutionis education or how do I right?

(35:38):
But if it's entertainment based, thesolution has to be something else. It
has to entertain something specific. Butif they don't know that exists because they're
not looking for it, you haveto market it. But the thing is,
if somebody's like, well, howdo I get successful in say comedy,
they're gonna look that up and they'regoing to see you know, title
work. But anyway, all right, so let me let me bring up

(35:59):
my one of my proteges. Hewanted to be in the wrestling industry.
Okay, he loved the wrestling.So what he did was he took my
advice. He saved up money,he moved to LA and he got involved
not only in the film industry asa stage you know, he was like
stage hand stuff. He did agrip, a gaffer, you know,
things like that. But he gotinvolved. He started making friends with people.

(36:21):
And that's actually how he got outto LA in the first place,
because he got involved in New York. First, while he was saving up
money, he would just like volunteerstime on his off days, and it
led to them saying, hey,we're going out to LA. You should
come with us because I have workout there, this guaranteed for you.
And he was like all right.And and by the way, when I
say work, I don't mean likea waiter, I mean work within the
industry. So he already established thoserelationships which led to opportunity. Then he

(36:45):
decided to move to LA with moneysaved, so he didn't have to go
work a job and he was makingmoney, even though it wasn't doing exactly
what he wanted to do, buthe was making money within his field of
interests. He liked the film industryand he likes the wrestling industry. While
he was doing that, he startedbuilding relationships with the writers and other wrestling

(37:06):
organizers and that led over the courseof three years. Okay, he was
already successful because what was he doing. He was making a living within his
field dimensions, right, he waspaying his bills, right because But after
a three to four years ish,he got an opportunity to partner up with
a federation and they created their ownfederation. Within two years, they had

(37:27):
a pay per view. Okay,just at the beginning of this year he
got hired to be a writer withthe WWE. Now the reason that happened.
And by the way, I metthis kid in twenty thirteen, so
that's less than ten years ago.He went from I have a dream to

(37:50):
I'm in it. And by theway, how long does it take on
average for a person to be anovernight success? Ten years? Right?
Oh, I it took me tenyears become an overnight success. It took
him almost ten years to get thedream job he always wanted, which was
being a writer for the ww andhe did that by following the rules network
market practice, organize your money,have the startup capital, managing your time

(38:14):
money, and people finding solutions.Like when he went and he got so
involved, people said I want topartner with you and get involved with this
federation, which led to the payper view, which led to he was
the top boss because he was asolution finder. Right, So what I
want people to understand when they listento this episode, and again when we

(38:37):
look at what Corey's saying, he'snot doing it wrong per se. He's
just following the artist brain, onlyhe's not following the business brain. And
Corey was so gracious to come on. He had to tell us his story
and his process. So you theaudience can hear that you're not the only
ones. You're not the only onesthinking, well, I want to wait

(38:58):
till I'm good enough before I getaway, or I want to wait wait
till good enough before I start gettingreally involved, or you know, I'm
gonna hope that if I'm working withthis federation, this wrestling federation, they're
gonna pop because they're starting to dopay per view with the ECW that this
is my big break, not realizinglike how involved are you beyond wrestling?

(39:20):
Which brings me back to Corey theexample with the comedy, what do you
bring to the table? If Ibook you on a comedy show, what
do you bring to the table?Tell me I'm gonna book you Friday.
What are you bringing to the tablenext Friday on a comedy show? What

(39:45):
am I bringing to the table asa comedian? Well? No, I'm
hiring you, okay for free becauseyou have no brand, because I know
that for you have no draw?Right is your draw zero? Yeah?
Nobody? Yeah, nobody comes tosee me. Yeah. I mean,
but I'm gonna put you on apicture, put my picture on the thing,

(40:07):
and people are impressed with my pictureon the flyer I bring that.
People go, oh, that guylooks like he's somebody. Yeah, look
at his beard. I gotta allright. So my question, to be
more specific, is if I bookyou on one of my shows for comedy,
what do you bring to the table? And I don't want you to

(40:28):
think about it, like what isthe answer Thomas wants. I want you
to tell me what you bring,like why I should book you for this?
Show and not someone else. Whyshould I book you? I I
I'm gonna say that this is somethingI fully apply to everything and go for
it. And I think this iswhat I bring to the table in anything

(40:51):
I do other than your drum.Yeah, I haven't. I left my
drum in the car, so Ican't go, hey, here it is
I left. I left it inthe car from the weekend. But I
think, ah, and I haveto. I always talk about the currency

(41:13):
of effort. The currency of effortis super important to me, So I
think, what's that? What isthe effort specifically that you bring? Are
you just bringing about my effort?I'm not talking about my effort, the
effort, the effort from the currencythat anyone the currency of effort that people
like you can't just turn the TVon and there there's my podcast. You

(41:36):
can't just turn the TV on andthere's my wrestling. You have to have
seeked it out. So that effortthat you took to seek it out is
important to me. So I wantwhy it's and when I'm performing, my
gratitude towards that effort provides an experience, okay for the people who are coming

(41:57):
to see me do what I doall right anything. Uh, there's no
right or wrong answer. Yeah,I mean I think I think, of
course there's more to it. There'salways going to be more to it.
I'm asking, Yeah, but Iwant to know what you would bring to
the table. So far, it'sjust effort and a really great experience,
which, by the way, again, you can't determine the experience, only

(42:22):
the audience. You cannot tell me, hey, if you book me,
I'm going to bring an amazing experience. You can't because there's no proof to
it. Yeah, right, andyou're only as good as your last show.
So I'd be like, well,let me see your last show.
And if your last show no onelaughed, I know that that can't be
true. Now, oh no,No, six shows ago I got the

(42:44):
audience to laugh. All right,Well, so you know five out of
six times, no one lasts toperform on four more shows and then even
that come back. Well, wellwe'll do a dark one where no one
there. You just do a rehearsalof it. Yeah, the cameras will
be rolling, so we could laughlater. But so then the people will

(43:07):
laugh when we let them in.Maybe, yeah, maybe if we have
a laugh track. You're what you'resaying you're gonna bring to the table.
And again, also as a comedian, I could say that I've got I've
got multiple TV credits. I gotmultiple TV credits. You can you can,

(43:29):
you can? You can say asseen on HBO as on HBO.
Yeah, dude, what to do? I was a background extra and I
had lines. They just didn't likeme. And I was I was on

(43:52):
Netflix, Uh as an extra behindHatlee Berry when she was walking to the
cage and the movie bruised. IHBO once. Uh, George Carlin had
a comedy special and I had paidfor the front row seat and you could
see me on camera. And andthat that show, that show The Deuce

(44:13):
with James Franco. Yeah, Iplayed the penis. I I just walked
past the Porno theater. Uh.And what you're saying is you don't have
credits. I have. I havecredits. That's that are immediately followed by
uncredited credited. I have uncredited creditsfor credited work that I was credited for.

(44:37):
Uh. Through paying me, Imade more money doing background than I
ever did in wrestling for a wholemonth. Uh. It's just true,
especially when you're union Are you unionoh yeah, yeah. I became union
like three thirty or what was it, sixty days, like within sixty days,
and me wanting to be an actor, I was like, let me
becoming you, and people like,how'd you do that? It took me

(44:58):
six years? And I was like, oh, I read the instructions on
how to get a SAD card andthen I went for the one I knew
I could get the quickest, andthey're like, that's cheating. Reading is
cheating. Okay, all right,so I'll be honest and don't take offense

(45:19):
to this nor anyone listening, Andlet me just refine Corey's answer. He
says, a great experience, whichwe've already deduced that you cannot decide it's
gonna be a great experience. It'sgonna be a great experience. He's gonna
bring his uncredited credits, and he'sgonna bring effort and my drum and his

(45:40):
drum that he will promptly be askedto leave in his car. So what
that means is you're using me formy show at that point and we are
not working together. And that issomething that people need to change their brain.
To change the game. You needto bring something to the table.

(46:01):
Besides I do X, I'm acomedian, I'm an actor, I'm a
musician. Like, if that's allyou do, I have no need to
bring you on the show. You'renot helping the show. You're not helping
before, during, and after theshow. Is it safe to say that
I'm not going to be booked ona TJB production. Well, if I

(46:23):
do any comedy, it's always underthe top of the bottom pile banner,
and you actually have to be apart of the top of the bottom pile.
Let's get on the show, whichis a part of my nonprofit of
The Team Rise Together, which isabout bringing people together and elevating others by
working, growing, and work.This is a long way to say,
yes, you won't be booked.Correct, I would book you to do

(46:47):
like a dark match. Okay,so but listen, the reason I won't
book you is because if I bookyou and then I book three other comics,
right, and they're all bringing somethingto the table, but you're not.
I'm insulting them by having you useus. And the idea is everything

(47:12):
I do must affect everything I doin the sense that I want to believe
in the Team Rise Together. Motto, which is we're gonna work together,
We're gonna grow together, and we'regonna rise together. And if someone's involved
in something that I am doing,especially with other people and one personal more
is there to use the opportunity.I cannot book you again if I find

(47:36):
that out. But if I knowthat in advance, I can't book you
because it doesn't qualify my mission statement, which is working together, growing together,
and rising together. But when Isay, what do you bring to
the table so you can lead,follow and advise? Meaning how do you
make that show better than just beinga performance? Right? So I'm gonna

(47:59):
answer you a couple questions. Howmany when you do comedy the hell with
it? When you wrestle? Howmany newspapers do you contact to come and
do interviews or reviews on the showevery single wrestling match? You gotta use.
It's radio, you gotta speak.I don't know. I don't know

(48:19):
any newspapers. I don't so theanswer is zero, right, I don't
How long have you been wrestling fortwenty years? And how many newspapers did
you reach out to to build andcultivate relationships by networking with them? I
know I've been in the newspaper afew times, but it wasn't through any
of my effort. All right,Now, every time you were in the

(48:39):
newspaper, how often did you workto build relationships with the person who got
you in the newspaper? None?None? Zero? All right? How
many radio stations do you call everysingle time you have a wrestling match to
do an interview or a review orsomething with the show, to get involved

(48:59):
in the show? You can saya little louder, can hear? You
can? Zero? Zero zero?Now, by the way, Corey,
I'm not in a gotcha moment.You literally are doing what the majority of
people do. It's the artist brainmentality. It's all about you. It's

(49:20):
the me mentality, not the wementality. So when you let's say you
did a wrestling show, right andyou were able to get one newspaper there,
and now you tell the promoter,Hey, listen, I just want
you to know my friend Chris isa or Melissa is gonna do a review
on the show, or she actuallywants to interview you if you're available for

(49:42):
the article. What did you bringto the table beyond I wrestle press press?
Okay, now let's try it.Let's do another way, do you
have a publicist? No, butyou're an entertainment Yeah, I don't have
I'm I'm I'm my own agent,my own well publicist is their job is

(50:07):
to basically publicists every every bit ofanything I do. There's no there's no
third party who's really advocating for mein any way. All right, what
are your average numbers on your website? Meaning how many people go to your
website every month? On average?I'm going to say as far as just

(50:31):
for well, in general episode episodesof my podcast, they drop every Monday,
I'd say between eighty and one hundredpeople maybe. All Right, So
if we base it on the ruleof ten percent, let's go with a
hundred, one hundred people go tothe website, ten percent become aware of

(50:51):
the website, so that's ten people. Ten out of those ten people,
ten percent are interested in what they'reseeing, which is one person. And
out of that one person, tenpercent, which is less than at one
person, which means zero is goingto actually buy into your brand's message.
Yeah, they show up, theyshow up with just one contact lens in.

(51:12):
They're like, we're going to watchten percent of this match? What
is this? Well? What thatmeans is your brand doesn't have a draw,
so you don't bring that to thetable. By the way, listening
to this episode, for anyone who'slistening, keep in mind when what you
can bring to the table you canwork on Like Corey, you can literally
work on building relationships with newspapers andmagazines and radio stations like you can.

(51:37):
Nothing is stopping you from going.What can I do to help those networks
or those outlets. How about I'mnot wrestling this show, but my buddy's
wrestling the show. Why don't Icall four newspapers and if one shows up,
I'll buy them lunch and I'll goand meet them and I'll you know,
now I'm doing but now I'm buildinga relationship, and then I'm going

(51:58):
to send them a thank you messagevision in three days after the event,
and then a week later or twoweeks later, I'm going to just message
them and say, hey, man, I really want to say thank you.
And you just keep that up.You don't vanish from them. You
can do that. You don't haveto be wrestling to start building relationships with
people of the media industry. Theother thing is how do you build your

(52:20):
brand value? What do you offeryour audience besides an experience, right,
So how do you solve their problems? What is it about you? What
is your mission? Right? Andif your mission is awake? I want
to entertain people. I want peopleto feel good if they watch the resume.
I think I think inside of thattoo, Like not just that I
don't want, I just not thatI want to entertain people because I'm I
I can, I can almost.I don't promise a lot of things,

(52:43):
but I can almost promise that I'mnot going to entertain every single person who's
there. That's true. I've watchedyour OnlyFans, right. So what I
also thrive to do is I hopethat I'd say something that might change somebody's
outlook on something or maybe inspire somebodyor have them think of me next time
something like that comes up, likelike for for like a silly example I

(53:04):
had, I had this uh thisuh thing I used to open with sometimes
where I would say, you know, can we can we please just agree
to stop comparing ourselves so much toothers. I mean, you look at
somebody and you're like, they gota nice car, they got a nice
house, they got a hot wife, they must have it all figured out.
Yeah, but the way I lookat it, you know, birds,

(53:25):
birds, some of them still gethit by cars. They got the
whole sky. Not everybody's got itall figured out. So now people will
come up to me and they'll belike, oh, I almost hid it.
I almost hit a bird with mycar, And I thought of you
right away, Like what, Iwhat I almost commit murder? I think
of you right every time, everytime I'm just close to murdering birds.

(53:45):
No, I don't want to belike Dama. I don't want to compare
myself to Dama. Oh, Corey, Corey, I remember I'm talking about
that. Uh, that's fine,but that is not a mission. Just
for the record for anyone listening,that's not, as you know, I
I would like blanklink plank a mission. It's just idealistic thoughts. But a
mission is something that you you worktowards that everything you do is blanketed by

(54:09):
this mission statement. So you know, one of my mission statements is obviously
to educate individuals within the entertainment industryin a way that lifts the misconceptions of
how it's done and educates them ina way so they can take control and
not be taken advantage of and makecalculated choices. So how do I do
that? Well, everything I dohas a sense of education to it,

(54:31):
everything I get involved in. Somy team Rise Together is about education.
BBR is about education. I don'tmake this stuff up education right, So
even the right Mindset podcast not podcasts, the YouTube channel I have about writing,
it's education. So education is importantto me, but so is entertainment,

(54:52):
and so is enlightenment. Right.But how I go about entertaining or
educating or enlightening is a part ofthe mission. So my mission isn't to
entertain, educate and enlighten. Mymission is a very specific thing. I
want to erase and eradicate the misconceptionsthat entertainers trying to succeed are led by,

(55:14):
so they can have, you know, the information to make educated choices.
Right. So that's one element.Another thing is the team Ryan's again.
I want to bring together individuals withinthe industry to work in a coherent,
a non judgmental environment that allows theman opportunity to be creative with other
individuals. Right, Safe, cooperative, Yeah, you gotta be safe.

(55:36):
You gotta be safe. But mypoint is having missions is the brand when
people can connect to your mission oryour purpose or you know, like when
people will listen to Brad Pitt orThe Rock, there's something about the Rock
beyond he's a wrestler that people connectto. It's his positivity, it's the

(55:58):
way he treats people. It's howhim and Kevin Hart. It's not that
Kevin Hart and him are entertaining,it's the Oh, I'm like that with
my friend. I love their relationship. They're connecting with something and the Rocks
missions in life are to connect withpeople, but in a way that allows
in the field, you know whatI'm saying. Like, but he also
takes his money and he does goodwith it. He's not just wealthy.

(56:21):
He gives back his time. Hehelps people, he mentors people. He's
living the life. He's not tryingto be anything false. He's trying to
be authentic and people connect to that. Right. They don't need to go
to the Rocks website anymore. Right, But we could also go to the
Rocks Instagram and be like, oh, whenever he's like buy my you know,

(56:43):
tequila, you'll see that as interactiondrops. But when it's him talking
about working out or what he didthat day, the ad, it goes
up because the difference is a pushto buy my tequila is a push no
matter who you are. You couldbe Tom Hangs, Tom Cruise, Tom
Selleck. A push is a push, right. But brand is what people

(57:05):
emotionally connect to and therefore they're moreinclined to interact. And that's the big
difference between Hey, look at me, I can will give you a great
experience verse this is what I standfor and I'm proving it through my actions.
All right, Uh, Corey,any questions before we end the show.
Did did anything come up that you'relike, you know, I'm a

(57:27):
little curious about that or doesn't makesense or you know, et cetera.
Mmm. I I just want tomake sure I I want to say thank

(57:49):
you to you, man. Iwant to I want to say, like,
if anything we were talking about lendsto me getting more in a in
a plugged in success mindset, I'mgrateful to you. I'm glad that we're
friends. I'm glad I know you. I want to make sure I state
that on the record. I thinkwhen you did my podcast a couple of
weeks ago, I didn't say that, and it's always important for me to

(58:09):
say it how important it is thatsomeone has spent the currency of their time
and their effort on listening to anythingI say or do or watching me in
any way. All is very important. And the fact that we stayed friends
is something I'm really grateful for.Yeah, and you know you're what I

(58:29):
can say. You know, likeI tell my friends all the time,
I don't talk to people every day, right, it's just not how I'm
a busy guy. Right, butlike how we talk. We're comfortable with
each other. We joke with eachother. If you're like, hey,
can you do you want to dothis thing, I'm like, yeah,
absolutely for you, it is alwaysa yes, right, So you know
it's important to show your friends whatyou can do. And I'm and to

(58:50):
me, you are my friend,and I care about you and I think
highly of you. And there's alight in my heart when I when I
go, oh, Corey, it'sCorey. Or if I see you tweet,
I'm like, oh, that's mybuddy, core But I'm glad you
were on the show. And andto end the show, like I'll give
you some quick advice. The adviceis always the same. You have to
figure out what your monthly expenses areand save up eighteen to twenty four months

(59:15):
of that. Then you could quityour jobs and just start trying to get
involved in the industry that you wantto be in. If you want to
be in the wrestling industry, volunteeryour time and get involved with whoever you
can, whenever you can, anddon't ask for money, but they're going
to give you money eventually. That'sNumber one. The second thing is you
need to network, to build andcultivate relationships to develop a strong circle of

(59:38):
influence. A circle of influence doesnot influence your career. They influence better
behavior, right, better habits.So find people that are doing it.
Find people. One of my mentorssays, if you want to be a
successful musician, hang out with successfulmusicians because you start changing your brain around
them. You know, when Iwas hanging out with musicians that were doing

(59:59):
what I was doing, they didthe same thing. Let's do show,
let's record albums, but they allhad day jobs. And then I was
hanging out with people that were successful, and every one of them was networking
and building a brand, and theywere giving their time to people, and
I was like, all right,I get it. The other thing you
need to do is develop a brandthat's very consistent and work on marketing that

(01:00:20):
brand, building awareness to create intereststhat ultimately generates sales so people buy into
your brand emotionally. Third practice,learn your industry, not the wrestling or
the comedy of your industry, eventhough when you're working on your talents your
skills do that. But learn theindustry how it works, so you can

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go what could I bring to thetable that can help this industry or this
situation or this project beyond I amtalented at something known as wrestling or comedy.
And then, of course my thirdthing is always the same as you
should be trying to find solutions ina way that i'll allows you to lead,
follow, and advise. Leading isnot about taking over. It's about

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being what influencing. It's about beinghaving initiative. It's about encouraging others.
It's about being a leader. Followingis not about taking command blindly, but
about elevating and enhancing the thing yougot involved in. When you join a
table, how do you elevate thattable? And it can't be about you,

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It has to be about the missionof that table. And third,
advising is not about being right it'sabout adding options to the solution, and
that's it. If you follow thosethings as a sort of like a soft
plan, by the time you havethat money, if you're working on those
relationships, working on your brand,learning your industry, by the time you

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have that startup capital, you willhave all the pieces in place that allow
you an opportunity to take advantage ofyour effort. You know, the effort
you talk about, I bring effort. Your effort would be rewarded and you
will be able to say yes toeverything as long as it fits within your
brand. Obviously, don't say yesto things that don't go don't work with

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your brand, because if you don'thave to work a day job, you
can say yes. You know what'sweird? Wow, I'm going back to
that, that whole part of likechanging people's mindsets on things. And I
really really like interacting with people,even especially people who like I've never met

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before and kind of changing their ideaof like, like they've never met and
this comes off as arrogant to some, but they've never met somebody like me.
Most people don't aren't like me.I'm the only me that I am,
and I've never met another person who'sa wrestler, comic actor and also

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has a podcast and also had brainsurgery. They never met anybody with all
those things. So I always say, like, when it comes to not
just being a not just being arole model or just being an influence,
but showing people that they can changetheir way of thinking and and and really

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get through shit. Way, Likesometimes I go back and I go like,
oh, what was my biggest strugglefive months ago? And then I
go, Okay, well that's notthere anymore. Yeah, Like, I've
been through so much worse than anyof what my struggles are that I can.
I can kind of like I canlive in a in a in a

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struggle free environment. But what's thatsaying, You've already beat your hardest day
ever? Yeah right, I've neverheard the saying, but yeah, you've
probably lived through it. Well youdid, you know your brain surgery was
your hardest day out. I meanyou probably had different hardest days ever,
but you already beat your hardest daysever. Yeah right, And that and

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that and if we can relate tothat and understand that when we are going
through hard times, we're gonna beatthis. We're gonna be able to break
through this. You're always You're alwayscapable because all you got to do is
look at your pass and go wow. I remember that that was a hard
time and I beat it. Tom'sdid you see that? Somebody commented on
the on the video of the episodeof my podcast that you and I did

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now what they said and said thatit looked like I was speaking to future
version of myself. I'm gonna haveto go check that out. I'd be
like, this is the future versionof Corey and my openis grew four inches.
It's amazing. I now have afive in What do you know?

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That's amazing what time does for you. Everything SAgs, but in a good
way. Elasticity Alas called me misterfantastic. All right, mister Corey.
I wanted to try to keep theepisodes sixty minutes. I used to do
like three hour episodes for this.Okay, I'm not just not doing that
anymore. I want to say thankyou. Oh can I speak directly to

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your audience here for justice? Sogo for it. Say something to them.
Heay, wait, wait, letme pop you up, let me
pop you up. Boom. Hey, folks, I know you have a
lot of options for consuming any kindof content. So the fact that you've
spent the currency of your effort andyour time listening to anything I've ever had

(01:05:45):
to say. I say, I'mso super grateful if you would just take
two more seconds of your time andfollow me on Twitter, follow me on
Instagram at Corey Castle. Follow mypodcast with Corey Castle. You can find
it on Apple Podcasts, you canfind it on Spotify, you can find
it on iTunes, and you knowit's on YouTube. YouTube is about to

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do handles, so it's going tobe at Corey Castle, but right now
it's currently uh YouTube dot com slashCorey Castle, the custom ur ls and
uh man, don't don't ever hesitateto feel like to feel like you can't
reach right out to me. Mydms are always wide open and I'm always
willing to always willing to give time, uh to to people who want to

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ask me any questions. I canabsolutely answer any questions that in the time.
And uh, you know, ifyou're if you're digging what content I'm
putting out, let me know youexist, leave comments like subscribe, right,
do whatever whatever you gotta do atthat point just to kind of get
it past, you know, getit past to that next level. We
all we want to do is evolve. We want to continue to evolve and

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continue to grow and continue to change. You know, check out check out
Shamecast. That's a show I juststarted. I'm on my I just scheduled
an episode for this Sunday to postour seventh episode of Shamecast. It's shame
self help and Managing Emotions. It'sa show that I just started hosting with

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my girlfriend Alyssa Marie, who youcan also you can also check out on
Netflix. She's on episode two ofsing On. She makes it all the
way to the end. She's thebest, and uh, I'm super happy
to be partnered up with her.And I appreciate you guys very much.
Thomas, I very much appreciate you. You're You're, You're the best dude.

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You're You're like the It's it's almostlike it's almost like there's just such
a solid foundation. Uh. Thisis an example. This is an example.
I made this joke on on thenewest episode of Shamecast, which will

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come out, which will come outon Sunday. But I said, I
said, by the way, whenhe's saying Sunday, he means the Sunday
that comes after today, which thisepisode definitely will air after the Sunday.
Okay, So so check out checkout that episode. It's a great episode.
You'll love it. Yeah, keeplooking for it every Sunday. I

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made the joke, I said,I said, those those big green legos
that are the base for your home, that foundation you got to dig through
the bucket. You got to digthrough the bucket. Sometimes sometimes they're right
on top, but it's kind ofrare. You got to dig through the
bucket to find a foundation. Soit feels like it feels like you're a

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guy who's got a supply of greenfoundations, Like you have a whole bucket
full of green, full of thegreen legos that you build houses on.
It's it took a lot of workto get here, but you know,
once you get there, it's there. You know, Like I like,
I tell there's people who believe,and then there are people like here's here

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he doesn't know what he's talking about. And I'm like, well, what,
what's what's my day job? Andthey're like, well, I don't
know what is it? And Igo, well, I righte. It's
it's it's a fragility, it's afragility that people have to go, oh,
it must be nice to have this, and that like you you've got

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this privilege. So then you getthat and it's almost like a not me,
not It's it's almost like a you'reyou're convincing yourself that you don't deserve
whatever it is that you want.The impost syndrome. I get it.
I don't have imposta syndrome. Iknow. I'm amazing. No, I'm
just kidding. I'm too cool tobe humble, you know. Oh wait

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what Uh anyway, listen, wegotta we gotta close it because uh because
on this day I have a seveno'clock I gotta jump on. But I'm
I want to say thank you CoreyCastle for coming out. All his information
is going to be in the descriptionbelow of both the podcast audio and also

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the podcast video. I know youprobably all went deaf when he started rattling
off seven thousand there follow me herehere, here, here, here,
here, But all that information willabsolutely be on his website, and I
will have his website in the description. But his show is fun. Though
I enjoyed being on it and Ienjoy listening to it. I have listened

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to it beyond just what was myepisode. So with that, you know,
remember everyone, I don't make thisstuff up. You gotta change the
brain to change the game. Andas always what you do is not your
job. Your job reward you financiallyto do the thing you do passionately.
So with that, find solutions andthink outside the box. All right,

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thank you everybody, see you my