KCAA: I Love San Bernardino County with Robert Porter (Mon, 31 Jul, 2023)

KCAA: I Love San Bernardino County with Robert Porter on Mon, 31 Jul, 2023

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have a great show. We're gonnatalk about a national night out with council
member Alexander and uh UM school boardmember Felice Alexander, and then we will
get into the low Milinda. Isit the violence intervention program with with doctor
please? Uh? Yeah? Sodoctor baris one of the trauma surgeons at

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Lomalinda And I'm Charles Brown, acommunity health park and a traumas and and
Dolminando. Okay, well, thankyou both first coming in and we'll jump
into that in a in a second. But first I'd like to mention our
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you know, yeah, games Amarandina, that's good. Um. I
would like to mention before we start, Uh, I did a little uh
clean up verbally, I guess forWalgreens over there on Baseline and Waterman.
I mean, I've heard your team, I've seen what you've said online about

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that place being constantly dirty. Meand Amy just went over there and realized
it is just absolutely dirty. Um. There is an house situation there as
well. We definitely need to getsome resources in there, but the management
has to do a better job.There's literally boxes of trash in front of
the doorway. You couldn't even Iwas just like, who, It just

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didn't make sense to me. Soso obviously management needs to like put a
little focus on that. And ifyou can't, I don't understand, like
they can't afford security or you know, just that one wall walbrings in stambur
Or don't have a little bit ofissue with that. So if corporate is
listening, if someone knows anybody incorporate, please address that to all their

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Walbrings have a little bit of issuewith their waist in front of their stores,
their cleanliness in front of their stores. There, their agriculture in front
of their store, as far astheir plants upkeep their grass, it's brown
all the time. Yeah, thelandscape look really like. That's something I
love. And when I see likea multi billion dollar corporation, you can

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take the most minimal landscaping and makeit beautiful. You just gotta give it
water. I mean, like,I don't like they can't afford water at
Walgreens anymore, but they can sellI bet you know. I bet you
if we put at ten percent taxon all the drugs that they sell out
of there, you know, wecome up and then I asked him prints
on there. I said, hey, I said, can you sue as

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a citizen for discrimination, because ifyou go to red Lands there are stores
are not like that. If yougo to Loma Lenda, their stores are
not like that. You go aroundit all over the community around us,
they're not like But at Tamernadino theyperpetuate the image by doing that. So
that's why we got to stand upto them. And they're taking advantage of
us. So you know it's notI'm not blaming the council members or anybody.

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I'm blaming the management there. AndI understand that there's a house situation,
but you know, like other businessesdeal with that stuff, right,
So we gotta get we gotta getgoing. Walgreens, please fix that?
All right? Um? And uh, I don't have you ever missed if
I did not mention Benita Rodriguez andRichard Rodriguez the San Bernardino standouts of the

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week. They started a non forprofit called Blessing Angels. They help a
lot of people throughout the community.She's former radio shows, a host on
CASEYAA back in the day. AndRichard Rodriguez, I think he retired with
almost forty years of a city youknow experience. I'm like, wow,
that's hardcore. So he actually knowsall. He literally knows where every skeleton

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is buried and uh literally like thepipes in everything of this whole city,
right our skeleton. So that's soimportant that unfortunately lost him, but I
think they still call him for adviseror there. Yeah, you don't want
to lose that instant. Yeah,he's a smart guy. So I want
to thank them and that is broughtto you by a Ben Chavez with First

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Lineage Site Services. I want tothank him for helping sponsor that segment and
all he does to showcase the coolpeople and non for profits in our community,
which we need more of every everyyou know, those are those awards,
you know, give him out likecandy. Everybody needs an award,
right, it's just a yeah,I my mama had to ask for me.

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But but but but seriously, likeI love that. Actually, Teddy
didn't followed your lead, did yousee that? Yes? And that is
how it should be. It doesn'tneed to be one citizen of mine.
I think it could be fifty ifyou want, right, Yeah, and
that's what happened that one day withthe turkey trot, right, didn't that
happen? Didn't Carry Davis give ussomething for the turkey trot like the first

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year and second Yeah, and andhe forgot me so they like at one
point they had to send one theworkers to run the staff run up to
make a deal with just for mea cub down. Yeah yeah, yeah,
wouldn't have done that. And Imade sure he gave mayor Carry Davis
like a huge hug. And I'msure he remembers that to this day.

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We were arrivals at the time,so you know, but he was still
nice to give us that nice So. Um, we have National Night Out
coming out tomorrow. It will beover at Reuben oh No Hernande Hernandez Community
Center on it's on Lugo, butit's really on Second Street and uh Siero
Way right where they intersect it.Sierway goes right through the park, so

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it'll be right there. You'll seeit. M it starts at five o'clock.
Um, they'll have all this stuffassociated with the police department. Hopefully
we'll have the horses and hopefully we'llhave the horses. There will be vendors
cutting zoom. The community is comingout, so it will be several other
organizations that are focused on just thecivics of the community making sure we stay

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safe. So I know Assistance Leaguewill be out there, We'll have representation
from a lot of city officials.We'll have Rotary Club from what I understand,
so it'll be a huge representation andMAC will be out there with all
the day Behood Association Fred to this. The seventh Ward will have a booth
out there. This year. We'llhave the seventh Ward, we will be
out there and yours truly will bemanaging it on six o'clock, so if

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you wanted to do for a halfhour, right, we have several of
our commissioners from the seventh Ward outthere representing various commissions, so you can
ask questions. They're gonna bring outinformation, Parks and Rag. Everybody's gonna
think our parts and the wrecks.Who's gonna make this possible? The City
of Senterdos Parks and once again Lydiaand her team at Parks and Direct.

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I love them. They do afantastic job. Yeah, award winning parties
Direct. They've done so much toraise our park. Abriel Vanessa, the
whole team. Oh my gosh,so made mention. I can't. That's
why I don't. Yes, yeah, but I didn't. We're sorry with
you guys, but we love youall those guys. The transformation in the
events since the last one, Imean, I don't want to put anybody

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down, but there has been athree sixty degree change. Not only events,
but the parks are clean and kidsare actually play in the parks.
Can I see the new park that'scoming to think them? Like, how
it's going to be is going tohappen over the next eighteen months. Three
story net uh playground, So they'remaking it a destination for kids. Right,

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we're talking paddle boats in the lake, fishing um, but three water
cannons. Like the fifty foot tower, I think she's she's a fifty foot
or thirty foot, thirty foot tower. It's pretty tall. It's a huge
thing. So yeah, like we'rehoping this will really turn around. And
then of course I'm supposed to lobbyfor uh, you know, the park

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rangers or the special police unit forthat park. But yeah, I don't
think like they didn't go with thepark rangers are going with. Yeah,
it hasn't been decided. Yeah,okay, well it's still in the work,
so I don't care either way.I love the idea and I think
it will really help our parks,right. Yeah, it's gonna be fantastic.

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Yeah, we can go there anytime, the events there. Yeah,
but it gets done both you guysgonna love it. Yeah, So the
Second Lake has really seen a revival. You know, it's going from clean
dirt and like a swamp to abeautiful lake with you know, landscaping.

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Sam and we'll put two million.Yeah we did. They put two million
in there with a grant. Weput nine. So we're looking forward a
renaissance of downtown, not just thatpart. But that's just one of the
many phases. And we're not supposedto be talking about this. We're supposed
to be talking about something else.National nine come here here. What we

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love to hear about it? Welove it because we love parts of us.
Today we're talking about school and whenwe started today. Okay, okay,
please please with this one. Iwish the kids that started today there
was the first day of school,so we want to wish them much suspect
success. Excuse me, and eventhe staff and the faculty team because it's

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pretty instrumental. I don't know ifany of you saw us. We were
on the news. Um you werethere at Pacific kiland right, but most
of the schools were on the news. Principal and superintendent. Oh, who's
the principle Webber? Principal Webber.Yes, yes, she's a nice lady.
I did reading across America over there. They're they're doing everything over there.

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Yeah, and you were on thenews, right, We were on
the news. We were it wasn'tjust that school, but that school particularly
I think hit most of the majorstations. Um. But you know,
we have a new superintendent, whichis pretty instrumental. We have Superintendent Arianos
comes from Redlands, so he's bringinga lot of the ideas that he implemented

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in Redlands to San Bernardino. Butmost importantly our staff, our faculty,
Um, they're amazing, and sothis is an opportunity for these you know,
the community to see what we're allabout. So for us being on
the news, we have over fortyfour thousand students, so the lives that
we're touching it is extremely important andwhich is excited just to start the year

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off and just make sure that thekids start off on positive note. So
let's just pour a lot of positiveenergy into it and this is going to
be a positive year. UM.Can I Can I make a request for
the janitors and for the landscapers inthe school district. Are there any awards
that they get like they do likethey get awards and stuff like that.
I think I saw some kind ofgalla or something. Was that for the

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school board or was that for thecity Making hope happen? That making hope
making Hope Happen is an organization thatraises funds for the schools, but also
there is opportunities to acknowledge our classifiedemployees in which to classified employees, yes,
and teachers too, of course Ialways want to give them though,

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No, but you're right, wehave to acknowledge everybody. Everybody plays their
part, and definitely we want tomake sure that we're provide equity in terms
of and they're always fun to talkto because they like they can talk.
The teachers can't talk Molly when you'reat visiting a school. But that's that
the like you know when you smellthe good cafeteria food and you're like,
oh, I'm gonna go talk tothe cafeteria lady, and then you go.

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Youbody ended up with the chocolate milkor something. You never know,
so good stuff. Thankful for everybody. Everybody plays their part. And I
didn't pay it, by the way, chocolate milk and my whole male.
I think it was like was itsquare pizza or don't also, but it
wasn't. It was you know,took me back to Riley Y Elementary where

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I went to school. So it'sa great first day. I want to
congratulate all the kids and the teachers. I'm sure they're really happy to be
back and get back in the swingof things. Um. I see how
excited they are posting their classrooms onlineand they're already a lot of pride.
Yeah, so have fun. Isa school going to be involved at the
National Light out tomorrow or I'm theremight be schools out there, but it's

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our school board meeting tomorrow. Ohthat makes sense. Yeah, so you
won't be there, okay, well, but please come out to National Light
Out. Will be out there sweatingit up, but they will. There
will be fun things too. Lasttime, I think there's all the kids
got a bag of goodies of policecorrection. I'm sorry. We have training
tomorrow, so the school board memberswon't be out there, okay, train
round out training training, Okay,but well, me and Damon will be

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there, yes, so please comeon out. And of course I'm sure
council member Calvin in a barrow andeverybody else will be out there as well.
Absolute city officials will be out there. We hope we're inviting you guys
that come out as well if youcan, If you can make it tomorrow,
Charles, if you guys can makeit. Please come out and I
know it's gonna be hot if we'regonna have some fun, okay. And

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it's all about community and it's aboutviolent intervention program. Yes, it's about
community. So you guys can shareyour information if you need to place to
house your stuff, come to theseventh ward. Perfect we got you four
okay, and you can even getup in the bearcat and get a picture.
Yes, like I'm talking about this, I don't know if they don't

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usually bring that one out they useanother one, but like the one that
they used in the December second terroristattack. I always ask about that one.
But there's also another one that haslike a bullet that it hit it
once, so you know, becauseyou know, these guys risk their lives
for us all the time. Sothat's another thing by going to these aventures

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supporting our police department. And Imust say that my first like Farmer's Market
at Parisil Park. Um, itjust happened to be National Night Out and
I went there and uh um,Pat Morris was the mayor and Robert Jenkins
was still on the council for thesecond ward and he came in neon shorts

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for the dunk tank. Now,like I heard requests online for council members
to be a part or the mayoreven to be a part of the dunk
tank, but I didn't hear yousay anything about that. Is it possible
or councilmember Alexander to be in thedunk tank or because I'll buy some alady,

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it actually might be the best placeto be to I know it'd be
so high, but but yeah,that was actually a lot of fun to
throw. I don't know if Ihit it, but some some people really
wanted to not rock or chink thatwater. Yeah, yeah, I think
they mentioned I saw something mentioned maybeparks and rec mentioned it for a second,

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but that'd be something we could doin the future. I don't know
if it's Yeah, they were,they were discussing it. So I hope
it shows up strategically. Yeah,so I get I get a lot of
inside information when it comes to theparks and stuff because our liaison's Lyddy,
So she comes in and you know, it kind of gives us an uptation

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on the Arts and Historical Preservation Commissionand right now we're you know, working
on getting the Martin Luther King statuepermanently fixed for the hand, so unfortunately
five times it's been vandalized since thehand has been fixed. So they are
going to put the new mole,put the new hand on there, do
a mold of it, and thensend it in to get the brass into

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that, and then they're going toattach the brass back to the thing.
So that's him. We're also workingon fixing up some of the other monuments.
We're still on that process and they'reworking on it hard. When it
comes to the Pioneer Cemetery, theyhad that bad vandalism there, and we've
checked the Jewish cemetery as well,had some the eternity, Yeah, eternity.

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I went there and tour that thatthat on some indector did and uh
and they tore off all the plaquesand stuff after at the attorney the bronze
ones, the bronze ones and selldown. So if anybody's out there,
please please know this that he knowsthat we are. We know who did
it. We think we know whodid it, So we're looking for you
so program we can talk afterwards,so we can put the word out because

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this is perfect. Yes, youdon't want to take up all your time
so you're fine, You're fine.Do you know that I've been doing this
for ten years. I know you'vebeen doing this. I know what I'm
doing. Right about what they're doing, share about what they're sarehysitism. Well,
I guess this is a perfect segue. I'm here to help you,

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help you, and and and sincewe're at that point, I would like
you to ask the first question.You like me to ask the first question?
He put me off. So withthat's being said, please share what
have you been doing in the cityof San Bernardina. So I think,
first of all, the to startwith for the Lomolando Hospital based violence prevention

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program, it's all connected, right, I mean, I think like you
said, this is we're all partof the same community. And so the
Lomolando Hospital is just one one sectionof it, and we happen to see
a lot of patients that have beeninjured after estabbing, gunshot wound, or
want assaults or even car accidents whenthere's alcohol, meth or other things that

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are involved. And so that's howwe're part of all of this and engage
with those patients that are really highrisk. They've been injured and now we're
here and so so, but it'sall connected because the question then always goes
goes back down to why did thishappen? Right? What led you to
be shot? Right? And sosometimes it really is the wrong place,

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wrong time and had nothing to dowith them anything about where you know,
what we're doing, or who ourfriends are or things like that. But
a lot of times it does,and so really digging a lot deeper into
figuring that out so that it doesn'thappen again. Right, And you know,
especially when we ask our patients about, you know, how can we

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help you, how can we supportyou? How did you end up here
in the hospital and really being ableto take that time at least in the
hospital, it's it can be alittle isolating and and sometimes that's a good
thing where you can really reflect andalso sober. Yeah, absolutely, yeah,
absolutely, And I mean something awfulhas happened. You're in the hospital

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now if you're an injury, andso to reflect on those choices that have
led up to this moment in time, right, and then saying what,
if anything, should we or canwe do different? And then how can
we from the violence intervention team helpsupport you with that? Right? So
what is a common the thing thatthey say with like what how could they

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be helped? Um, I've beendoing this almost four years. I'm seeing
over hundreds of patients and basically somepeople like doctor Burst was saying that their
wrong place at the wrong time.You know, people be at the gas
station getting gas. Now somebody askthem for some change and they wind them
getting assaulted. You know, LikeI say, it's just violence is just

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like a bullet. It has noname, no color, no race.
Violence is violence, you know,and but it's it hits all communities,
all ethnic all ethnic groups. Sothe amount of like GAG is like gag
violence is there is there a threshold, like there is that half of it?

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Or so when we talk about gangviolence, sometimes it's hard to tease
it apart, right because it canbe that the individual is part of a
gang, or it can be thatpart of their families part of the game,
but that individual isn't. And sojust that affiliation by relationship or by
their friends will expose them to potentialfor injury. And we've also had patients

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who maybe we're prior gang members buthave left that life, but again because
of that pass, it weighs themdown and people don't forget that. How
do they How could you cope withthat? Really? I mean I hear
a lot of that trying to getout of the gang and you end up
getting killed or something. Yeah,I mean, And that's the that's the
struggle with it, right, Andso depending on on how active you are

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and how much your family's been involvedwith it, it can be really really
tough to leave it even when youwant to, right, even when we
know the risk that are involved withbeing part of a gag um, it's
not it's just not that easy tojust leave, right. There's there's trouble
that comes with that. And youtreat people who are dealing with violence from

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GAG issues differently than someone was avictim of us. No, what it
is is that when I see patientsis I'm non judgmental by I leave my
biases at the door. It's notabout the dollars, It's about where can
I help you? And not onlyyou, your family, Because people don't

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understand that when a patient has beenshot assaulted. They don't think that the
family goes through the trauma. Theyare, but they're not going through it
as the patient. They're going throughit as mentally like they ask me,
why would somebody do this? Whywould they do that? I don't know
how the answers for it, youknow, but we do is I support

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them not only in the hospital,out of the hospitals, to as well
as home visits, taking going withthem to doctor's appointments, helping the family
out. Even when we have patientsthat we don't they come with no contact
information with family. We've been toBarstow, gotten my car drive the Barstow

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Victorville to knock on that door tolet them know that their loved one is
in a hospital. You know,because if somebody has been a traumatic injury
like shot in the head, they'refighting for their life and there's no family.
Somebody's out there looking for a familymember, you know, and it's
tough sometimes, you know, Iunderstand where they're coming from. I can

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feel the trauma, but I tellmyself, it's not my trauma. But
I'm gonna help them with this traumathe best way possible, you know,
And you know, sometimes it gettricky. You know, sometimes it may
not have been a person on thestreet that did it, that assaulted.
It may have been a family member. You know, we get lots of
those. You know, I'm personallya victim of gun violence, but my

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father took his own firearm and shothimself. Yeah right, yeah, and
that's it's terrible, and he doesway down on the family. Yea.
How do you deal with those issuesin suicide? Is that's still part of
the interview. Yeah, I meanthe so, our trauma team will consult
the violence intervention team for a widevariety of patients, because sometimes a lot

(31:11):
of the underlying needs or reasons whythe injury happened aren't readily identifiable. Right
when they come into us as apatient, we're there to save their life,
right, and so it's not untila little bit later, um,
that we have a little bit moretime to really sit down and talk about
why this happened and so and thenand then too. Right, they may

(31:33):
not open up to everyone. They'regoing to open up to different people in
different banners, and they're going tohave a different response for me than they
will with Charles g member, becauseI kind of feel like a gang member
has a responsibility to their people tobe quiet and not talking and that and
that is a challenge, right,We're depending on why the incident happened.

(31:56):
Not that they're treated differently, butwhat they're needs are are different. Right,
So if they are currently an activegang member, then they may also
not want to engage with our team, right, and that becomes really tricky
because we may know that they're active. But again, if they're not receptive
to change, all we can dois say we're here, we're ready to

(32:19):
help you whenever you want, andwe keep trying. Ye could possibly come
around too that absolutely. Yeah,I actually have a question, So how
do you go about recruiting other peopleon your side to help with just the
whole violence intervention program? Do youhave like a staff that you have already

(32:40):
that's hired within Low Linda and doyou have volunteers also help? Yeah,
so we have a really robust team. So Charles was the first one to
join our team. Actually, let'ssee almost four years ago now, and
that was Charles is initially commune healthworker with the Institute for the Partnerships And

(33:00):
so we with the Institute for CommunityPartnerships at Lomalinda, our Department of Surgery,
which is where traumas housed under joinedforces to build the violence intervention program
and then with State Calvin grant fundingand then additional resources to from the Institute
for Community Partnerships have been able tohire additional violence intervention professionals, so we

(33:22):
now have four of them, whichis fantastic because our volume of patients has
unfortunately grown, especially during COVID,where we saw our penetrating numbers really go
sky high up to almost twenty percentand hasn't gone back down to what it
was pre COVID. What caused thatdata and jump? You know, I
think people would just are frustrated orthey're angry, they're trying to Yeah,

(33:45):
something you see across that. Wedid, absolutely, we saw it both
in southern California and increase in theamount of penetrating traumas and then nationwide as
well that increase in gunshot wounds soit almost doubled actually, so yeah,
and gone back down not to baselinelevels. Yeah. And that and the
same thing even for substance use andmental health disorders issues, and everybody did

(34:08):
right now is dealing with this fentanylcrisis is fl and I know fittnol is
dangerous, but I don't think peopleunderstand the gravity how dangerous. Could you
share a little bit about that ifthat's possible. Yeah, I mean fentanyl
itself, it, like with everything, it has its uses, right,
and so within the context of thehospital and needing it for an actual medical

(34:34):
indication within the hospital, that isokay. But then when it gets broadened
to outside of the hospital, forum, you know, addressing things that
aren't related to physical pain from asurgery or something like that, that's when
it becomes really tough, because thatfentanyl is so addicting, so absolutely addicting,

(34:55):
and you know, people have figuredout how to make these forms relations
that are even more addicting than itused to be. And the other challenge
with it is that what we havein the hospital is very fine tuned in
the sense of how much we giveyou and we monitor you so you can
keep breathing and you don't die fromyour overdose, whereas when you're taking it

(35:17):
from who knows where, off thestreet, you don't even know what dose
that you're getting, so you know, one pill may have a specific amount
of milligrams and another pill may havetwice the amount, and so there's nothing
to regulate that. So it's soeasy to overdose, and with that overdose
that a lot of deaths have beenhappening, and we have continued to see

(35:37):
that even in our high school students, you know, and they're mixing it
with all the other drugs now fromfrom you know, cocaine to weed to
Yeah. So when you do that, like you're just these people that are
thinking they're getting regular drugs, they'regetting possibly get an overdose from a drug
they've never used before. Correct.So it's hard to be like a kid

(36:00):
experimenting, you know, like that'sI can't I'm glad I didn't grow up
you know this time period right now, that's scary. I was an experiment.
There's no ability to experiment anymore becausethat will has a high risk of
death. Yes, it's scary becauseI don't think it high risk of death.

(36:20):
And there are so many things thatwe cannot fix with medicine. It's
just a lot of things we can, but overdose is really very high risk.
Forgeting. An addiction to fentanyl isso bad. My friend cannot even
make it two days. At thesecond day, he feels like he's literally
going to die and if he doesnot get that drug in his body,

(36:44):
he will die. His wife hasalready died on the streets over raylans so
so to me, like, youknow, his own wife, he's a
marine. He was the strongest ofall of us. But that one car
accident, got a back injury.Yeah, got on cotton and some of
it. Right, But again it'sgoing back to that question of why are

(37:07):
you using it? What are wetrying to address? Right, So,
we had a gentleman in the hospitalwho he came in and was using meth
and feta. Me and Marim I'mlike, why are you using this?
We know it's a dog. He'slike, I know, but I work
at night and I have to stayawake, so I use meth to stay
awake, and then I have tosleep during the day, so I use

(37:27):
the marijuana to sleep. Well,I mean, I know, yes,
your reason, it's not a goodone, but I understand it. Wait,
and those are those underlying issues,Then how do we address that?
How do we support that? Becausein the long run, that is really
unhealthy, and and that especially withthat addiction and that pole, it's going
to be really hard to continue tobe functional and engaged with your family and

(37:50):
maintaining good relationships and showing up towork, and that's really tough to do.
And so you know, trying toobviously stay away from it so that
you don't risk the death and anaddiction, but then when it does happen
again, trying to figure out whyand how can we help you? And
that's what part of the violent inadvention program is too, where a substantial

(38:12):
amount of our patients that come inafter violent injury do have drugs in their
system. So again ask you aquestion of how can we help you with
this with a substance use program andinstead of using the meth to stay awake
at night? Well, coffee hasits limits. But you know, what
about what other job opportunities are therethat we can help you with? Right?

(38:34):
What trainings can we help provide youso that maybe you can get a
job that's we're better suited for youduring daylight hours? Yea, all of
you. Because I'm into the unshelteredregion and I do a lot of unsheltered
program So how many people are onshelter are causing violence within our city or

(38:54):
surrounding cities that you guys interact with, So you say causing violence, but
I think a lot of our patientsare recipients. And then also cause yeah,
it's tough, Yeah, no,no, no, no, no,
Yeah, it's a it's unfortunately thesychnical um nature where where the perpetrators

(39:15):
often have been victims themselves and viceversa. UM. But but we see
about twenty five percent of the patientsand our violence Intervention program homets that are
that are homeless. Man, Man, how do you address their un shelter?
UM? What we do? SinceI know that UM in San Berndino
County there's a shortage of shelters.Yeah, bids and and I try.

(39:39):
I have resources where I connect themto shelters maybe in riverside, path of
life things like that, to try, because you know, I feel that
I've been there, so I knowthat struggle, you know. So I'm
gonna help you, just like someonehelped me, you know. But I'm
going to walk you through this.Sometimes you have to crawl before you walk,

(40:01):
you know. And some patients theywill connect with you. It depends
on your approach. Can you tellus a success story? Okay, yeah,
I had a gentleman. Matter ifI had been still working on them
since I started. There's a somebodywithin a bad car accident. Matter of
fact, two weeks ago he calledme for medical supplies it's that connection that

(40:23):
report you build with these patients tolet them know that someone in this medical
field or someone you can trust.My thing is I don't get out of
I don't get anything out of misleadingindividuals. I want to see a patient
and their families as well, becausetheir families are going through the struggle with
them too. May not be thesame struggle that that patient is going through,

(40:45):
but it could be drug addiction,violence, domestic violence. You know,
we see them all and I seethe patients where they at a show
improvement with a percentage of the peopleor helping, like does it get them
off the streets ever? Or offdrugs? Sometimes it's up to the individual,

(41:07):
yes, ye, yeah, tobe ready. But this is what
the program's about. Yeah, beingthere when they're ready. Yeah, that
long term support and you know thatlong term data. We don't have that,
but nationwide looking at other existing hospitalbased program it is there in terms
of decreasing recidivism, especially when welook at violent entries. But it shows

(41:27):
that it works. Because this guy'sall about the data, He's like,
show me the show me what actuallyworks so we can help. And uh,
what about getting people off the streets, like does that. Yeah,
I would say it's an ongoing challengebecause the shelters are very temperate. I

(41:49):
think you're dealing with the same issuesthat every organization is dealing with right now.
And again that question of why areyou on house right, is it
simply the you know, I lostmy job and this is temporary. I'm
a newly unhoused individual who still maintainsgood family and friend connections, so you
know, if I get a job, I'll be able to bounce back.
Or is this an individual who's dealingwith a lot of other struggles with mental

(42:14):
health issues substance use, And that'sa lot bigger of a challenge, right,
because we've had it where we havetried to put a roof over their
head and it has not worked becauseit wasn't that full wrap around service where
you have someone that's right there totake care of your depression, your anxiety.
I mean, we have extraordinary ratesof pre existing PTSD and thirty of

(42:37):
our trauma patients coming in in theprogram have pre existing PTSD, right,
and then you add another trauma ontop of it, and that's a lot
to deal with all of a suddenand with the Care Act, are you
going to be able personally to youknow, say, hey, this person
does have mental issues, they needto be institutionalized and that could help them

(42:59):
on the road too. Yeah,yeah, yeah, that's coming up soon,
right, Yeah. I mean there'ssome ability to do that, but
there's still that ongoing shortage of providersand so we still need to train additional
of mental health professionals to be ableto provide a support in conjunction with knowing
that mental health disorders often go togetherwith substance use, not always, but

(43:22):
a lot of times, and sobecause they haven't had access to mental health
disorders, so then they turn tosubstance us and or vice versa, and
so a lot of times it goeshand in hand, and so every patient
has an individualized approach and so ittakes a lot of resources from that standpoint
on, especially training from stay mentalhealth providers, so that access to care.

(43:43):
We're not quite there yet. Wedon't have i mean the delay for
but the need is people see theneed absolutely, yeah, and I mean
there's funding and you know that's comingdown as well from the state for all
of this, right, but thoseproviders still need to be trained and so
that there's easy access for the patient'sto see every Yeah, you brought some
statistics with you, any of thoseyou want to rattle off for us?

(44:05):
Oh? Absolutely, I always happyto share some data. I figure sharing
stories is excellent and then a littlebit of data to mix in with it.
But you know along the lines too, you know, as we've mentioned
in terms of who's even a victimof all of this in our in our
programs that come in as a traumapatient, So some are definitely active gang
members, but a lot of themactually have just they live in the area.

(44:30):
So only about twenty five percent areeither past affiliated gang or current gang
members and the rest aren't, rightand they just happen to live in the
area. And um, you knowwe've had it where you know, dad's
sleeping and there's bullets that go throughthe through the wall and get shot.
You know those sorts of things,right, And so when the kids witness

(44:51):
that the dad's in the hospital,I mean, that's a lot of trauma
on top two. And so whathappens with those children as they grow up
in that environment? Um? Anduh? And how do you how do
they go to school? How doyou function going to school? And focusing
on your education. And only halfof their participants in our program actually have
graduated high school. So only half. Yeah, yeah, and so it's

(45:15):
you know, although those things wereyou say, well, they don't have
their g D. So how arewe going to do better? How will
you get that better job? MHow will you even develop skills to um
balance your credit cards? You're notalways in debt? All those things,
right, those things basic skills thatwe might learn in high school. They

(45:36):
haven't learned um and so so wekind of have to start from the ground
up. Well, I'm glad someone'sthere to start doing that. There's lots
of teams, I know, TerenceStone's team awesome. Yes, you know,
I even like the post too.I mean, I hope I hope
he watches this later. It getslittle ideas because you're you guys are coming
from a little bit different angle.And I love this, I think,

(46:00):
you know, because all they alwaystalk about there's so many different approaches to
solving violence in the house situations andthings like that. It's a team.
Yeah, it's a team approaches,as far as everybody yes. To solve
this particular issue, it takes acity approach, it takes a school district
approach for an intervention. The murderrate in Ceba, you know, it

(46:20):
is down, way down. Ibelieve last time a report I got it,
we already had nineteen murders at thistime currently and last year we were
double that easily. So we're downthanks to you guys in intervening, thanks
to a school district. Because likeyou said, it's it's a requires a
team approach. We have to providean example for the city to for economicics

(46:44):
so they can get that. CanI throw san Ardino PD in there too,
for being able to pull some ofthese criminals off the streets? Right?
Yeah, yeah, it really,it really is approach, this team
efforts working. I do see adifference in you know, you know,
I just feel like, oh yeah, there's absolutely more I mean more ready

(47:13):
absolutely So. Yeah, when welook at our individuals who've had prior trauma,
it's at thirty one percent. Soagain just at underlying PTSD going into
an already kind of traumatic event andthen now you're in the hospital, a
lot of uncertainty associated with that.Um an unemployment rate or underemployed is seventy

(47:37):
six percent. Yeah, huge number, right, And so again we're talking
about, well, how are wegoing to put a roof over our head?
How are we going to feed ourfamily? How are we gonna how
can we even think about the futurewhen we're living from day to day?
Right, and I probably saying slayingdrugs to even provide those things you're talking
about. Yeah, Well, andthat's the thing, right, those coping

(47:58):
mechot is right when you are struggleso much, trying to work, just
worrying, Right, it's uh whenwe don't have those coping mechanisms and no
hope for something better than sometimes youdo whatever you can, do whatever you
can, and if that is burstingout in anger, we certainly end up
seen that matthews alcohol or just hurtingone another, right, because we're just

(48:24):
all we're struggling. Yeah, aschool age you know, in your statistics
of our school age, Yeah,so we have there are about under ten
percent that are going to be undereighteen, so still in high school.
Yea. So most of our patientsthat are in our VIP program are in

(48:45):
their late twenties early thirties. Arethose gunshot victims or everything everything gunshot victims,
stabbings, assaults and what I've noticedlightly um, it's been unhoused.
Yea, that's been victim. Andyou know, we do our best in
the hospital. What we do iswe try to provide support. That's the

(49:07):
main goal, because they probably don'twant to go back to the where they
got but yeah, yeah, butsee a lot of them get injuries to
where that they can't take care ofthemselves on the street. So would wind
up happening maybe a month or twodown the line, that same patient is
coming back from another assault. Maybeyou David's staffed the first time around,

(49:29):
and nanny fighting for their life becausesomebody shot him in the head. You
know, it's like, you know, what do you do? You know,
it's like a lot of homeless individualsasks to me like why am I
gonna go when I get discharged?You know, they don't want to go
into Charter. And now I askthem like, you know, is there
any family? And they're like,I don't want to go stay with a
family. You know, I don'twant to go stay with them. I

(49:50):
rather go sleep on the street.You know, some as happened in their
life traumatic that where they have burntall their bridges and so they can't reach
out to family for that support.So, so, what what if you
were like the god and you coulddo something to fix this, what would
you give them housing? Is thatthe main thing they think they need?

(50:12):
Yes, Um, I go intothe homeless encaminets because I work with the
homeless, UM and I asked them, like where, why you don't you
want to go into shelter. Theysaid, no, they're just like being
in jail, you know, withthe rules. A lot of people don't
want to abide by the laws ofthe land. They don't want nobody telling
them what to do, and alot of them probably on drugs, so

(50:35):
they don't want to go stay inthat environment for themselves. So they'd rather
go sleep on the streets. AndI'm like, why, so made a
shelter that allows them to do whatthey want inside? Privacy wise or people
these days, a lot of themdon't want nobody to tell them what to
do. Nothing. They don't wantnobody tell them where to come, when
to go, what to do.So it would be just like, here's

(50:58):
here's a part in our room tostand. Probably that that's the only thing
they would do. I think it'seven bigger picture than that, because none
of us like being bossed around allthe time, but we just how do
you convince these that don't want services? Like, I know that's the biggest

(51:19):
issue we're dealing with with parks andwreck and stuff, with people that they
don't want any services, Like you'resaying, they're they're comfortable on the streets.
Yeah, so how do we helpthem that? Like, I think
it's trying to figure out what givesthem joy and hope. I mean,
I think that's a lot of itbecause if we can circle back to um,

(51:43):
you know, not just how didthey end up being homeless, but
who they were before that sometimes thatcan help. It might not all it
helps having a roof over your head, though, I'm sure yea to feel
normal again. Yeah, I meana roof over your head, a shower,
food on the table, and thenthis thought and plan of what am
I going to do? What's mynext step? Right? Because we you

(52:04):
know, we want to do morethan just to have a roof overhead.
We want to be with friends,we want to conduct Yes, you're igniting
hope that most of the people thatI don't have any these mental health challenges.
And if you're not thinking in yourright mind, well in your right
mind, because you're having these mentalhealth challenges, whatever on the spectrum they

(52:29):
may fall in, you may notbe able to. Like I said,
transit resistance is like I'm good there. You may and you may feel that
you are good there, right,but you're not so and involve as it
currently sits now, we cannot makeanybody go into a facility or own home.

(52:51):
So we're working the status, workingon a conservatorship right now. We're
working on a conservatorship these in ourcounty. We are to where we can
help those folks who can't make aproper decision. And that's that's what I
believe is will take a significant portionof the mentally ill people off correct.
And then there's a certain point wherehe's using so much drugs that I think

(53:13):
you start becoming mentally ill. It'sfrom the drug use itself, right,
I mean it does injure the brain, right, I mean we know it
does. And so when you havesuch a strong correlation between um uh,
you know, mental health and someof them using those drugs too, whether
it's meth and phetamine, and wesee that together they treat their schizophrenia with

(53:36):
meth because they haven't had access toactually see a doctor to get the support
they need. So so that thatwould be a way to help, is
to get them the proper medications fromthe proper doctor and that could help them
get off of them. But ittakes time to realize that, right,
you think if someone hits rock bottom, you know, they come in the
hospital with you know, just reallyuh, you know, lots of infections,

(53:58):
let's safe from their ivy drug usto Oh my goodness, like now
you know how bad this is.But that addiction is so so so strong
that even needing hospitalizations and he's beingon the brink of death for because of
their drug use is not enough forthem to be able to stuff because that
that poll of that addiction is sostrong. So does that demand kind of

(54:20):
instant being institutionalized if you're if you're, if you're at that point, like
and I think that's the big question, right, So how much do we
impose on others when they are ableto make those decisions themselves to not harm
themselves? So that's a huge question, yeah, or harm others absolutely?
And where the the tool comes infrom that, like care court hopefully in

(54:45):
the future that they'll be able todo this. I think substance abuse isn't
a part of that yet. Ihope in the future it does become a
couple of years away. So yeah, up, it's starting in Riverside Counting
now. Um it's gonna be acouple of years before it gets to Samburgerdino
County. And it hasn't even reallystarted in Nerveroside. They're almost there.

(55:06):
Hopefully it will get to Samburgdino Countyonce they do the pilot programs and Liverside
is one of those filot programs.They want to see the data, right,
But it's it's it's all about Sacramento. I mean Sacramento. They as
a local elected official. You know, Sacramento imposes certain restrictions upon us.
You know, what we can do, what you can do with violent and

(55:27):
venture, what our police department cando, What's what's what the city can
do is it's not sometimes it's notin our control, you know. And
I understand that when people come tocouncil meeting and they say their their peace
to us, Um, I understandthat. I understand their anger and their
frustration, but I have to redirectthat to let them know that you maybe

(55:49):
you're a representative, but it's actuallySacramento that's doing this and imposing this upon
us. So you need to goto a couple of levels higher to advocate
for change, mental health change,yes, right, mental health change,
got it, mental health change atthat level because we don't make it,
and then jump on the volunteer withthe Damon Alexander train with us, so

(56:15):
you can be doing something at thelocal level too, right right, Yeah,
that's correct too, but and Iappreciate that, but it's the change
needs to come from sacrament It's justlike to me, the state and federal
and they're like the slowest gears,like right, yeah, we're slow.
We're slow in the city too.You gotta shake that branch to making you

(56:36):
prepared to doctor and Charles and herethe experts when they say something, you
need to listen to them, right, you need to listener. You need
to listen to the school district folkswhen they when they talk, because that's
not my lane, right, that'snot my lane. Do you have success
stories that you can share with us? Absolutely? Yeah, We depending on
how much time to give you oneminute worth, yeah, absolutely. So

(57:00):
we had a gentleman. This isa little while back actually, at the
beginning of the program that if hehad gotten shot, had was in the
hospital a long time to so manysurgeries and finally was on the road to
recovery. And we sat down andI was like, what is going on?
How are we going to keep thisfrom happening? Towards that He hadn't
finished his ged so he didn't havethat yet. He had finished high school,

(57:22):
and he had dreams of the future, right, he wanted to complete
high school. He had plans,and just life had gotten in the way.
He didn't have role models and hedidn't have mentors for that, and
so with that we were able toconnect him. This was this was pre
Charles, So this is at thevery very infancy of all of this,

(57:44):
and connected him with one of ourcommunity programs, extremely young visionaries, and
through them was able to complete hisGEED and be able to complete Darren's Good
job. Yeah, I appreciate youfor coming on the show. How would
is there a way to get moreinformation on this? Absolutely? If there's

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